Ep 178: The Most Insane Red Flag School Stories Ever (Part 3!)

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Sleep

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
Why are you being so negative

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boys?
Why are you doing the Red Flag

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episode again, boys?
What are you doing, lads?

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Straight in, go on, go on,
straight in.

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Wow, I just thought it'd be
quite an interesting thing to

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do.
We've not done it before.

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And we are so negative.
You have not done it before.

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You'll go on, Dylan, give the
context.

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Why are we here doing this
again?

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Listen, we, I posted, I did a
post recently on on Instagram

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about all of the things people
have written into US about

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things that happened in their
school that they think are red

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flag policies, horrendous,
etcetera.

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I I think it's good to post
because you get to see what's

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actually going on in other
schools.

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So people will say, you know why
doing it?

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Oh, you're so negative.
You're making the, you're making

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out the depression to be awful.
That's not on me.

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That's on the people doing these
awful things.

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Like you're just talking about
all the negative stuff.

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Yeah, of course I am, because
I'm not implementing them.

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Oh, but it barely ever happens.
Well, see our inbox, See our

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inbox.
And you know what, Everybody

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ever happens.
That's good, but it shouldn't be

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happening at all.
So there are two ways to think

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about this, in my opinion.
If you're listening to this and

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you work in a fantastic score
with none of this, buckle up.

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You get to listen to what other
schools are like.

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And also, if you move schools in
the future, you get to see,

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actually, it's something to keep
an eye out for and to understand

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that it's unacceptable.
Yeah, but there's another group

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of people, right, Hayden?
People who are in schools right

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now who literally are almost
like this.

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Yeah, exactly.
They're in.

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They're in a terrible time and
it's good to vindicate them and

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show them, oh by the way, you're
not alone, you're a star.

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And also, by the way, your gut
feeling on this thing being

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extremely toxic and horrendous
is right.

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Yeah, OK.
Because there's other people

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that are experiencing these
horrible, toxic things as well,

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and we're going to out them and
talk about them and hopefully

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you feel a bit better.
It might even help you make an

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informed decision about what to
do next.

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Yeah, especially if you're like
a newer teacher because again,

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brand new, I was a brand new
teacher.

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First school that ever worked
in.

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There were a lot of things going
on that were bad.

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And I kind of just thought this
must be what the job is.

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I didn't really think much about
it until I now look back and I

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think holy moly.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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That's pretty poor.
So yes, we're not just horrible

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negative people hate teaching.
We don't hate teaching.

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We are a bit, but we're not just
that.

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Yeah, absolutely.
So we're going to go through

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now.
We had loads of comments from

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people.
Let's let's do this, hate them.

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Red flags galore.
If you go cool first one.

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For me, when I first started
training to be ATA at college

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years ago, the first school I
worked in had a huge staff room.

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I went for lunch one day and sat
at this huge table.

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Everything's huge.
Three teachers walked in and one

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said, excuse me, why you sat
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This table is just for teachers,
teaching assistants and other

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help.
The help sit over in the alcove.

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The alcove.
I asked if he was joking.

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He wasn't.
I asked the TA why this was and

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he said it's just always been
like that.

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Bizarre.
Sorry, it's always been like

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that I guess.
I guess we just leave that as it

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is then.
That seems like a good enough

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reason for things to be the way
our.

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History tells us that's a.
Good thing we should never

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change anything.
Ever.

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Apparently it's always been that
way.

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Like, I'm just.
I'm just imagining them under an

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alcove, like benched over.
Yeah, we're only alcove.

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Yeah.
The only thing that's small in

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this stuff room is this alcove,
actually.

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We're gonna come in.
How insane is that?

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It's.
Just it's just ridiculous.

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Like it's like what what sort of
red flags?

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It's a weird one actually,
because that's like most red

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flags I do find are like school
wide policies and stuff down

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stuff.
But that one to me is like some

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really horrible people that
weren't there like teachers and

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stuff.
Like clearly just not a nice

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environment to be in.
I can't imagine looking at

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another person, which is who is
just a human being and thinking

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you shouldn't be on my table.
Why?

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Simply because of the job you
do.

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What is wrong with you?
That's insane.

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And do you know what?
I've had a lot as well.

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Obviously here is awful to all
my teaching assistants,

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etcetera.
Something that I see that is

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more common than this even,
which is awful is student

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teachers, student team, people
who come in and, and they're,

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you know, it's they're not even
work in there yet necessarily,

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but they're like APGC student or
they run a placement for a few

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weeks and like they're not even
allowed in the staff room.

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They're not even allowed here.
It's like, where do they go?

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Like what, what are you talking
about?

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And what kind of a message are
we sending to the next

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generation of teachers?
Like, I think there's too many

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people in the education system
who have only ever been in the

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education system.
Like they went to school, they

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went to university, they came
back immediately as the teacher.

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I was like, you do need to enter
the real world as well, though,

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right?
And it's not just this.

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This is hierarchy.
I'm a teacher.

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And that means I'm above you.
I get this huge table.

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Grow up.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But who do you think you need

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to?
You need to be taken down a peg,

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clearly.
Yeah, definitely go to go any

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other workplace, realistically,
that's not a thing.

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It's like you're just a
colleague.

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Just colleagues, people that
aren't the literal children in

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the school just have this other
space they can use that is child

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free.
You can all use it like

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ridiculous.
And do you know what half time I

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don't have time to to go in the
staff room anyway, never mind

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like lay down these laws of who
can sit where.

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Like what are we talking about?
You can't sit on a bloody table

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because you're a teacher
assistant.

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What are we doing?
That's huge red flag like.

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And like you said, you made the
interesting point now of the

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difference of a red flag school
policy and just like a red flag

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like vibe.
Yeah, Vibe.

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I just don't want to work there.
Like I don't want to work with

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those people.
Yeah, and I think I was a

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teacher assistant.
I just sit on that table and

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wait, wait.
I think I'd wait for someone to

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be like, are you actually going
to enforce this?

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Yeah, exactly.
Like what is that teacher going

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to do?
Go to the head?

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Do.
You want to put the best Miss,

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Miss.
She's sat on the table.

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Sunny, honey, they're they're
for everyone, those tables.

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It's OK.
But Miss.

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But miss, I've got a diploma.
I've got a diploma.

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I'm going to.
I've been teaching over 10

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years.
And you said anyone under three

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years can't sit here.
All right, OK.

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You're the best thing like
advice I think I've ever heard

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of.
When you have those situations

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and it's just awkward.
Bit rude is to pretend to have

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not heard them and ask them to
repeat it.

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Maybe we've said that before,
but it because it really makes

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people think about the thing
they've just kind of

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instinctively said and how
potentially rude it is.

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Well, it's good for insults.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So someone just insults you?
You sorry?

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What?
Was that what was that?

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And everyone's quiet then.
Yeah.

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And you make them say something
horrible again.

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Again.
But then if they do it again,

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you just say, oh, that's me.
Just make them feel like.

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And no one's laughing.
Yeah, Just cut through them.

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Yeah, cut through.
Them.

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Sorry, didn't you're at TAS,
Can't actually sit on this

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table.
Sorry.

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Sorry, what?
Say that again?

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Oh, everyone.
'S looking at me now.

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No, don't worry about it.
Or everyone's looking at me now.

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Everyone make sure we all know.
Let's say it in unison, guys.

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No TA that's at the table TA go
to there, go and.

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Then switch there next, because
it's tiny.

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Get in there.
Insane.

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Yeah.
Absolutely insane.

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Let's go to the next one.
In one of my first posts, we

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weren't allowed to attend the
medical appointment without

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first disclosing the full
details of our medical issues to

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the head teacher.
Turns out the head teacher had

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another job, he was also or she
was also the doctor.

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So in that case it's fine.
No, that's that's mental.

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What did you do when you went to
your baldness appointment?

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I had said I did disclose it.
I rang him up and I said I'm

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sorry doctor, I know I've got to
be there in a second but I need

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to go tell my head teacher and
it's Saturday so just give me a

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minute.
And you go to your teacher.

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I'm like, I don't feel really.
I don't feel really comfortable

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disclosing this.
Is it about the hair?

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Yeah, it's already been
disclosed.

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We already know.
We already know guitar.

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Someone commented on this and
I'm pretty sure this is true.

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They replied to this comment
saying like pretty sure that's

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illegal.
Yeah, I think it is like.

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What do you mean you could?
What do you?

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What do you?
What are you on about?

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What's why?
OK, here's my question.

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Why?
Do you know what I can make?

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I can make up?
I think the scenario that's

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probably happened here, really
in this school, lots of people

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had had medical appointments to
the point where the head teacher

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thought this is quite a lot.
I wonder if anyone's taking the

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Mick.
They may have or may not not

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have found out that someone was
maybe taking the Mick a little

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bit and they didn't really have
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They were just going on holiday
or something.

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Yeah.
And from that point thought I'll

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never let this happen again.
From now on, you have to tell me

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exactly what your medical
appointment is so I can catch

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you out or not.
Yeah, I reckon that's what

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happened.
Why does that head think they've

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got the power to do that,
though?

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Why?
Why does that head got think

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they've got the power to switch
in their favour?

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Like, just because something's
got a part of the system that

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doesn't work necessarily for
them?

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In this case, medical
appointments being anonymised

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means some people might take
advantage of it.

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Yeah, OK.
Just just because you see that

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as a head doesn't give you the
power to flip everything on its

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head then and make everyone have
to disclose to you to try and

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get rid of that one thing.
All you've done there is switch

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where the problem is in the
first situation, the issue is

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some people are taking the piss
and using medical appointments

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to get some time off they
shouldn't have.

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But the vast majority of people
are just going to their medical

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appointments.
You as a teacher, have flipped

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this over and you're caught you
out.

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You don't have you don't have
proof.

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Thank you very much.
You can't go on holiday now.

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And now 80% of your staff have
to tell you've got gonorrhoea.

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Is that matter?
Why has everyone got gonorrhoea

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in the school?
That's another that's another

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one.
Whether that's a red flag or

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not, let's decide them, But the
point is you it it doesn't mean

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you can just flip that it
doesn't mean you have the power.

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Suddenly it something can be
frustrating and annoying as a

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leader.
Yeah.

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It doesn't mean you can then
make everyone disclose their

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medical information.
To you, do you know what you

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should do?
Just be petty.

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Obviously, the real thing to do
there is tell them that you're

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not doing that.
It's ridiculous.

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But if you're going to just go
along with it, just get everyone

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to agree that when they have to
go to this meeting, they have to

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say to the headteacher, workload
stress, it's just work stress.

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And then just really terrify
that.

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Yeah, or piles.
Or piles.

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Or everyone's if you're.
Trying to be honest piles. 7th,

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7th, 7th I can't even get my
first occurrence of piles in the

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last month this is.
Crazy.

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Crazy.
Just get some anus on it and

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move on.
Yeah.

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Right, next one we have sorry we
had a whole display policy until

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the start of the school year.
Quickly just cutting in here.

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This is is why it's real and
it's important to still talk

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about this because I feel like
education in the mid twenty 10s

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was a really toxic place to be
and there was lots and lots.

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Of this she was.
Really, really bad in terms of

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this kind of micro aggression
and control, but it still

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happens.
So until the start of this

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school year we were only allowed
to back on black paper.

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Had to be two cent.
Why is it 2 centimetres?

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Width always names had to be
printed and stuck in the right

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hand corner.
Don't know where to.

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Stick not the left hand corner.
No, don't jolt.

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You bloody dare put that nail in
the left hand, the leftist for

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the devil.
Put it on the right and our head

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would go round and check all the
spays when she observed.

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Needless to say, this changed
when the power crazy head left.

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Good riddance to that policy,
yeah?

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That's a big red flag that
that's what I was talking about

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at the beginning of the episode.
That's the kind of thing where

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I'm like, if I walk trying to
school, or if I, if I was in a

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school and this was happening,
I'd be screaming to everybody

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else if they didn't realise it.
But guys, this is really, really

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like toxic.
Not toxic is not the right word.

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This is just a bad policy that
it's toxic, it's bad.

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Is it toxic?
What are you saying is toxic?

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Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
Like if that's not toxic like

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what are we saving actual
toxicity for that?

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Like the head is like feeding
you a toxic paste?

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Like is that the only thing
that's toxic?

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No, the toxic waste sweets.
I was a kid.

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I don't know.
I think I'm, I don't know.

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I'm trying to explore that now.
Why do I not think that's toxic?

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Toxic to me is like spiteful.
OK, I guess I'm trying to

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reserve that for like the
extreme ones.

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This to me is just a really
rubbish management policy.

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Do you think this given your
medical you know details is

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toxic?
Oh, that's toxic.

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Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, that's pretty toxic, Yeah.

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Yeah.
But anyway, in this situation,

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massive red flag, yeah.
It's not based on anything, is

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it?
No, it's solely based on the

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arrogance and ego of the head.
Yeah.

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So that that I think that's
where it's different.

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Does it impact anything?
Like would you, could you, could

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you go to this, this be
interesting?

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Because the answer is no.
Could you go to two schools?

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Experiment.
I'm going to take the actual

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answer now.
Preface this with the answer,

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which is no by the way, so good
luck thinking about it.

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Could you go into two schools
where everything is the same

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except for the display policy
and it actually makes a

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measurable impact on children in
a different way?

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Of course not.
Of course not.

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It doesn't matter.
All it's done is make one school

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have to do a bit more work and
annoyance with one thing there's

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a relevant to their job of
teaching kids.

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That's such a good point When
when when the outcome for the

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children is no different.
But the amount of time teachers

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and staff have to put into
maintaining that policy is

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massively out of kilter.
Something's wrong.

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Yeah.
And the fact that when that

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teacher went the power, we're
going to use your words, the

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person who commented power crazy
head when they left, the fact it

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got got rid of showed how
utterly pointless it was.

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Yeah, it's insane.
We talked about displays a lot.

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They come up for me.
I think that is that is

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massively toxic to me,
micromanaging displays.

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Like if you're that asked about
what display looks like, just do

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it yourself.
Genuinely.

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Do it yourself.
Do it yourself.

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Do all of them whole school.
Here's another one I've had to

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Chuck.
Chuck this one in.

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This was from Instagram but it's
also related to displays.

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I thought we do back-to-back.
This person said we had to have

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fabric draped from from displays
in shared areas.

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Each year group had a board of
colour for displays and every

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subject a specific backing
colour.

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My God.
My favourite of all though was

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this is the different 35
centimetres of cloud paper for

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the handwriting display.
Basically they hadn't ordered

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enough so we had to share one or
two roles in 14 classrooms.

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Thankfully I no longer work in
this school because of the

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bullying that went on there so.
There's a whole.

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I'm not surprised.
I wonder.

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We didn't have any ridiculous
policies like this in my current

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school.
They always seem to go hand in

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hand, don't they Like to me,
right.

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Anything that's intricate like
this about displays and stuff

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and how it how to looks goes
hand in hand with a bullying

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culture of like top down.
Do this.

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Do this or else, because there's
only one reason you're forcing

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your star to do that, and it's
control.

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How, How on.
Earth will I know this is a

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geography display if the backing
papers not purple?

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I don't know, maybe the massive
thing that's there's rivers

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across the top, maybe that's
enough for me to understand

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this.
Or maybe the huge title that

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says geography.
Maybe that's enough for a child

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to understand.
In Dylan's world, did you not

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know?
There's only one topic in

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geography and that's rivers.
If you see a river, you know

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it's geography automatically.
Oh, I wonder if this is a mass

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display or an English display.
Oh no, the numbers.

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Maybe that's enough rather than
having to have red in the back.

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But oh, I just don't know.
Oh, I don't know what any

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fractions is.
It's oh, it's red.

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Oh thank goodness me, I know
it's mass now.

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Oh my goodness.
You just know that there's that

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extra layer of toxicity here
where we know they said they

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didn't even order enough.
You just know that the person

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who didn't order enough will
come round and say, why isn't

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that in the cloud?
The cloud paper knowing full

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well they did not order enough,
everybody, and they'll still

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have the audacity to say that.
Or pretend that they did only

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want 35 centimetres for each
class.

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Yeah, that's enough.
Did you did you not order

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enough?
No.

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Oh God, it's just, it's just
horrendous, isn't it?

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Like I just, I don't even know
what to say like the display,

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how, how many times we go back
to our Q&A on Monday because we

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mentioned displays and we hinted
towards this conversation.

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It's just clearly such a problem
still because so many people

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talk about it.
I.

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Want to go back to the whole
drape thing very quickly about

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something being draped across.
I vividly remember in the first

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school we worked out, we all had
to have something draped across.

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It was like it looks nice for
the book corner or something.

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That weekend the fire alarm went
off repeatedly.

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The site manager had to come in,
put it off because it was just

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getting rid.
It was just like setting off the

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fire alarms.
So that got bin straight away.

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And I distinctly, if you
remember, it was specifically my

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classroom.
As well.

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Was it your guy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I thought it was that the exact
time we happened a few times,

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yeah.
Do you also remember, Do you

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also remember when they decided
this particular school that

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every single corridor needed
like draped like material?

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Oh yeah.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And.
Eventually they found out that

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it broke fire safety protocol or
something like that.

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Something happened where they're
like, oh, actually we can't do

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this placement a just putting it
all up, do you?

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Remember that time as well, The
school where their teacher

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wanted your classroom rips down
your display because it was old

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in the middle there.
That made me feel good.

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Yeah, that was really good.
I.

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Like when they did that, they
already made me feel anxious

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because they already talked.
It's funny.

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It was funny and the same one
where loads of still just loads

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of adults actually left because
of work related stress.

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A whole 100%.
Turnover in five years, that

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was.
That was a quiet time.

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Yeah.
Anyways, next one in my first

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teaching post, teachers were in
all weekend before Ofsted and I

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was told I wasn't dedicated to
my job for going to a football

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match on the Saturday afternoon.
I mean, it's pretty selfish

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having a life.
Yeah, I especially when Ofsted

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are coming in.
Ofsted are coming in to give up

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all of your time.
Please come on.

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Mental and do you?
Think there's anything to a

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dedication?
Do you think there's any hint?

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But if you don't give up just a
bit of your time before you know

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officers are coming, Is there
any truth in that at all?

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I don't think there's truth to
dedication.

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I don't think that's true.
That's just that people are

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clutching at straws there.
I think it might be an indicator

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for someone being utterly fed up
with their job genuinely because

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we're not.
Because if I was remotely

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pleased in any job ever, right?
And there was this huge vital,

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important thing that happens
once every few years that

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affects all of us and everyone I
care about in this job that I

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love.
I I think I wouldn't even like I

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would obviously just naturally
care enough to would want to do

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those things.
Any I just would.

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I think most people do and
there's a reason most people

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probably will just do will just
do a bit of extra work.

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But even in this I'm like, I'm
just implying, I guess that this

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person was in on the weekend.
They just had a football match

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at one point to go to.
They might have even done some

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time like on the other day of
the week of.

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Course they have their it goes
about saying they do extra.

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So so when someone has the
audacity to say not dedicated to

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this job for not doing that,
it's like make it get in the

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bin.
Yeah, get a lot.

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That is ridiculous.
What stupid statement to make.

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Have you seen what I've been
doing forever before this moment

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for this job?
And haven't I found as well, and

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every offset I've been involved
with, which is 1 and every

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single one of them I've been
involved with though that the

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the the panic and the loads of
time beforehand and get out

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working at all hours of the day
that you possibly can to get

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stuff ready almost never
transpires to actually being

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useful when the actual person
comes in.

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Yeah, yeah, but you're getting
all this stuff ready.

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Yeah.
You're working with.

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You can't actually fake a lot of
it.

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No.
So like, I, I think genuinely a

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path, the time, the best thing
to do is maybe do a couple of

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hours of stuff, maybe just get
your ducks in a row, know where

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stuff is.
Yeah.

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Then leave it.
Leave it.

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You're not gonna, you're not
gonna move the dial.

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You wrote like a bullet point
list, remember.

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Yeah.
Of stuff that we just wanted to

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make sure we got.
Across yeah, and the maths.

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I remember the maths, maths and
we.

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Did and do you know?
You know what we did happily do

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extra work on the prep for
Ofsted.

459
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,280
You were literally not.
I was on.

460
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,360
I was on maternity.
Leave.

461
00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:47,360
Yeah, maternity leave were you
get your words right.

462
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,200
That person who's still angry
from Monday's episode and we

463
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,560
talked about saying can't wait
to clip this.

464
00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,240
I love that this voice is
Robert.

465
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,160
I'm starting to do the voice
now.

466
00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,560
I sort of shake my lips like,
yeah, anyway.

467
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,200
But like, just to be clear, we
did that without even thinking

468
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,840
about it.
Yeah.

469
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,760
Because we care about, because
we worked in a nice school and

470
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,280
we care about the people.
We cared about the outcomes

471
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,960
ourselves.
Like of course, nothing to do

472
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,600
with.
But with my.

473
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,320
Dedication.
Were we up all night as well?

474
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:16,280
Of course we went up all.
Night.

475
00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,560
If I had football that night,
yeah Joe, I probably still would

476
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,480
have gone.
Yeah, of course I would.

477
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,440
I mean, like, and, and if we
didn't do anything in our

478
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,040
school, no one even would have
said anything.

479
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,520
That's the beauty.
If they did, I probably would

480
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,520
have done it out of spite.
If I knew they would have been

481
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,320
like calling me up at 7:00 PM
saying to do this thing.

482
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080
I out of honestly, out of the
making a point, I would have

483
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,200
been like, no.
Well, you know, the perfect

484
00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,720
example of that is that I was
literally on paternity leave.

485
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,320
Yeah, my son was, was 12 days
old, right.

486
00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,400
And and.
Before anyone like there were

487
00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,400
people listening to that going,
that's awful, you shouldn't do

488
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,520
anything ever.
It was absolutely fine.

489
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,360
He was sleeping most of the day.
Lauren was with her mum.

490
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,760
They were together.
I went into school for two or

491
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,840
three hours to do just to touch
base with people.

492
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,600
I did nothing else.
That's all I did.

493
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,520
Then the next day they came in,
I went in the morning for two to

494
00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,320
three hours and spoke to the
guy.

495
00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,160
It it was no skin off my back.
And also it meant that I'd been

496
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,720
putting years and years into
leading maths.

497
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,600
I just wanted to represent our
school in the best way possible.

498
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,360
I didn't do hours and hours and
hours of extra pep.

499
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,520
And you know what?
I've worked in two schools.

500
00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:18,680
I would not have done that in
the other school.

501
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:19,560
Yeah.
No, no.

502
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,480
Way I wouldn't have thought, but
I I would have absolutely had

503
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,960
princip, but not not doing that
at all.

504
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,560
And for the and for this school
again, I wasn't thinking, Oh,

505
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,320
I'll reward my school.
Aren't they so lovely?

506
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,280
I was I was just in the zone
where I just thought, I hope

507
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,000
that this is my subject.
I'm entrusted with it.

508
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,720
I want to put something across.
I want it to be the best

509
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,480
possible outcome for everyone
involved.

510
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,240
Yeah.
And it was like it was nothing.

511
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,120
No, it was nothing, genuinely.
So I don't know, like you, you

512
00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:43,360
weren't on maternity, so maybe
you did more work than I did in

513
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:44,080
that.
I've had a period.

514
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,960
Not much.
I did a little bit more purely

515
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,280
for the fact that I wasn't on
maternity.

516
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:48,720
I mean you also went on
maternity.

517
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,720
You keep saying maternity.
Thank you.

518
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,720
Sorry.
But I also had a bit when I knew

519
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,280
I was doing it with you.
Yeah, that was that played into

520
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,680
my head a bit was like, well,
it's just Hayden otherwise.

521
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,120
And I also wanted to like take a
little bit of that burden off

522
00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:01,360
because he's going to deep dive
maths.

523
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,440
You know, I was very pleased I
didn't absolutely did not want

524
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,440
to say to you you should come in
because you're not to show

525
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,840
you're dedicated to the job and
no one did the head teacher

526
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,680
didn't say anything.
He.

527
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,160
Gave me time in Lou as.
Well, he gave me time in Lou,

528
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,120
and he was extremely thankful
that you did it.

529
00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:13,320
Yeah.
Off your own back.

530
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,000
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.

531
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,600
So and he did not expect.
It, yeah, No, I think, yeah.

532
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,000
It's just one of those things,
isn't it?

533
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,080
I think.
You know what, It was nice to

534
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,320
get free house after having 10
days of nothing.

535
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,720
It was.
And Lauren was really good.

536
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,680
She was like, she was basically
saying, oh, you should

537
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,240
definitely go.
And I was like, oh, OK.

538
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,560
And fortunately for us, nice
offset inspector, very

539
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,040
reasonable.
We didn't do loads of extra

540
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,160
prep.
I'm glad we didn't because he

541
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,200
wasn't interested in half the
stuff.

542
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,960
We even even the small amount of
stuff we had prepped, wasn't

543
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,160
interested.
He wanted to go and look up

544
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,760
mouse and talk to us and listen
to us and and think, do these

545
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,760
things marry up?
That was it.

546
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,640
He was like, you guys have told
me all this stuff that your

547
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,840
school does.
I'm going to go and see if it

548
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,040
does.
Then if it doesn't, we have to

549
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,800
have another conversation about
this because you're playing just

550
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,680
bullshitting.
And if it and if it does, then

551
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,520
cool job is good and happy days.
Absolutely.

552
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,960
That's it.
That's what happened, and it did

553
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:53,680
match up.
Yeah.

554
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,760
Yeah.
Is it a red flag if you're being

555
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,920
told, though, that you're not
dedicated to the job for not

556
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,400
coming in and prepping frosted?
Yes, Yes, it is absolutely

557
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,160
right.
Definitely.

558
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,680
We got told today that we should
use our lunchtimes to have

559
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,320
attendance slash pastoral
conversations.

560
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,560
Unions have been emailed.
Straight away they know there's

561
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,280
no advice being asked for here,
Yeah.

562
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,680
Yeah, exactly.
They already know.

563
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,680
They're just.
Yeah, just sharing.

564
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,880
This is a red flag.
If you're already told should

565
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,360
yeah, you should use, should
use.

566
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,080
Yeah, you should use your
lunchtimes to do anything.

567
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,160
No, should, no.
My, my break.

568
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,640
No, shouldn't be.
I can do what I want in it.

569
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,680
I could do it if I wanted to.
Yeah, I could do it.

570
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,760
I might do.
OK, I'm going to push back then

571
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,160
ever so slightly.
You've got to do them at some

572
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,360
point which is not in directed
time.

573
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,720
So, you know, leaders or someone
saying that you should do it.

574
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,160
Any point?
Are you just saying blanketly

575
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,440
that's wrong and I should decide
when or is there something to be

576
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,800
said that actually there is a
best time to be doing this in

577
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,280
the day for the other people on
the end of these conversations,

578
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,800
if it's between lunchtimes or
after school, actually we get

579
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,160
more traction when we do it at
lunchtime.

580
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,560
So I'm just going to say to my
staff, you've got to do this

581
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,960
anyway.
I can't direct you when to do

582
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,800
it, but you should be doing it
at this point because you get

583
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,880
more.
It will actually save you time.

584
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,520
You'll get more push through.
We've seen before parents are

585
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,760
more likely to answer at this
time.

586
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,040
If you do all that and replace
it with the word could, I'd be

587
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,320
happier.
Do you know what I?

588
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,440
Mean.
So is it semantics thing?

589
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,080
No, it's not semantic.
I think I think it's the meaning

590
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,720
that comes behind it genuinely,
because if you're, if you're

591
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,520
saying, if you actually said
that to your staff and you were

592
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,400
saying, look, it is, it is in
undirected time, but everything

593
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,680
you said you could do it this
time.

594
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,640
I personally would do it here
because I think it's a good time

595
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,960
at lunchtime.
I'm not going to directly do it

596
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,960
at your lunchtime.
That honestly to me is fine.

597
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,560
They're just giving their
professional suggestion.

598
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,880
We're all accepting that the the
job is a bit crazy and there's

599
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,680
other stuff to do outside of
directed time, whatever.

600
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,600
But when someone is saying and
making you feel bad about or you

601
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,480
should, you should be doing this
directing you.

602
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,200
They're directing you.
Yeah.

603
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,160
When someone's actually directs
you, and the meaning behind that

604
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,760
is I'm telling you what to do in
your direct time, that's when

605
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,760
it's red flagged to me.
So even though it is kind of

606
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,680
down to semantics, it's kind of
important because I think

607
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,560
there's a big difference between
the meaning behind it.

608
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480
When what makes me laugh when
someone said oh it's just

609
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,760
semantics?
Oh so it's just every

610
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,520
conversation ever?
What?

611
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,160
What is discussion?
Yeah, like, exactly like.

612
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,080
Oh, it's just the words I use.
Is it?

613
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,480
Yeah, probably, yeah, because
you could have used different

614
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,840
words which mean different
things.

615
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,760
Yeah, exactly that.
Of course it's important.

616
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,680
But yes, that is a red flag.
I'm gonna go to the next one

617
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,680
because I've skimmed ahead and I
think you'll like this one.

618
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,400
OK.
Our school asked us to put big

619
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,160
red stickers on the book.
You already Dylan's already

620
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,280
faced by me for those I'm
watching.

621
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,240
Our school asked us to put big
red stickers on the books of

622
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,440
children who are people premium
so they easy to identify in book

623
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,920
looks.
Come on.

624
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,640
Because some people probably
listen to that thinking that's a

625
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,840
good idea.
There's so many levels to this

626
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,520
as to why I'm just exasperating.
Start with the first one.

627
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,400
Book looks in general right, the
vast majority of the time are

628
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,360
just a tick box exercise to make
it look as if someone's doing a

629
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,600
job they need to do to justify
TLR they're not getting.

630
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,840
Yeah, it's hard time.
It's just I've got a book book

631
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,440
this week.
Give me those free.

632
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Give me those random books.
Let me just say, Oh my God.

633
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,880
Like there's only so much you
can have a book look, honestly.

634
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,240
Like if you're just looking at
what marking looks like, then

635
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,480
fair enough.
I think that's a waste of time

636
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,520
anyway.
But if you're looking at what's

637
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,720
in a lesson, why are you doing a
book?

638
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,720
Look, yeah, like what?
I see that.

639
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,960
Yeah, exactly.
So that's the first thing.

640
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,560
Second thing, people premium
having a big red red sticker on

641
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,960
them.
It's like like I'm not going to

642
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,240
make any comparisons to things
that are much worse.

643
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,560
I'm sure people are thinking
about stuff straight away, but

644
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,360
labelling anyone as a thing with
a big sticker that makes it

645
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,640
obvious what they are is
obviously a ridiculous thing to.

646
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Do, I don't know, did, sorry,
didn't.

647
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,400
I didn't even understand the
nuance.

648
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,560
We did stickers because we
didn't want the children to see

649
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,760
that We've written people
premium on it.

650
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,120
So we did stickers because it's
more anonymous.

651
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,000
Why have those kids got a red
things there?

652
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,800
They always in groups and do
extra things.

653
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,760
I don't know, like if anything
is the most obvious thing for a

654
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,720
child to see is a big sticker.
Like if you work with children

655
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,800
ever, they pick those up.
They.

656
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,280
Don't know what it means.
No, certainly not and.

657
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,400
Just also sorry the implication
that is needed to like identify

658
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,040
them as if there aren't other
ways Before you do a book, look

659
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,320
to know which children of
people.

660
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,440
It's just so, it's so stupid to
me.

661
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,560
It's a time saver.
Is it?

662
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,200
Just just get the one
spreadsheet up that has the

663
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,440
information on it and pick from
there.

664
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,360
Like what do we really need the
stickers on the books to know?

665
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,840
And do you know what, as a
teacher, and I don't mind saying

666
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,880
this, I'm going to use the word
should because it's semantics.

667
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720
You should know you people,
premium kids, you should because

668
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,960
there are there are things in
place.

669
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,120
They get extra funding for a
reason.

670
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,240
There'll be stuff in place for
them that they get.

671
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,520
And and do you know what?
It's just the kind of thing as a

672
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,840
teacher, that it's good to have
that in your head.

673
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,640
Exactly right.
So so do you know if someone, if

674
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,120
someone was to ask me when I was
teaching, we're doing a book.

675
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,560
Look, can you grab me a middle
achiever and a people premium?

676
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,640
I'd, I'd be, I'd know my people
premium, right?

677
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,720
Or if I don't know them, like
you said, even just have it in a

678
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,920
little book that you can open
yourself or basically someone on

679
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,160
your somewhere on your desktop.
I don't think we need to be

680
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,280
putting a big red sticker on the
books of kids, do we?

681
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,840
Do we need to be doing that
really?

682
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,520
Like it's just insane.
So it's it's all embedded in the

683
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,400
fact that book looks that I
think are pointless in the 1st

684
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,240
place.
But then to put a red sticker is

685
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,080
like I, I personally hate this
whole thing where, you know,

686
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,840
progress is only is more
important if kids are in a

687
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,640
certain group.
I don't, I just don't like it.

688
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,880
Yeah, I just, I just, I just
hate.

689
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,200
I just think fundamentally that
it should be down to things

690
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,880
outside of that.
Like you can you can draw

691
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,680
general comparison.
You can have, you can have

692
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,560
trends and ideas.
And I like that in general,

693
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,200
children who are pupil premium
are in general behind and in

694
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,840
general need more support and
they get their funding to do

695
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,360
that as a school.
It's important that's in place.

696
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,680
I completely agree with that.
But even within pupil premium

697
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,760
funding, how many times would
you, you know, there's this time

698
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,160
before where a teacher said,
I've got little Jenny and she's

699
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,080
pupil premium thankfully and
she's great depth.

700
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,720
Just think for a minute what
you're saying.

701
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,560
You're looking at a you're
looking at a child who's who's

702
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,360
really achieving well and saying
to yourself, yes, that'll look

703
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,400
good on people premium data.
It's made-up.

704
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,200
You didn't do anything.
She came up to you at that

705
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,400
ability.
So that child should get what

706
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,240
every child at greater depths
getting because they need that.

707
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,720
And then the children who are
lower, you'd have another child

708
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,520
who's lower.
And once people premium 1 isn't

709
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,560
and I can guarantee you most
people have feel the pressure to

710
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,360
make sure that people premium
child moves quicker than the

711
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,360
other one.
Of course it is I I hate.

712
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,640
That I've I've done a maths
group in the past, I'm not going

713
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,280
to say when or what what school,
but I have done a maths group in

714
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,640
the past where I had to change
out.

715
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Bearing in mind the kids I
picked the maths group were

716
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,080
obviously the best pick because
I'm the maths teacher and I know

717
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,400
who needed the help, right?
Based on simply what they can

718
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,880
and can't do.
I picked those kids because they

719
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,000
are the kids that needed the
help.

720
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,560
It is as simple, straightforward
as that.

721
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,040
There's no argument of that,
right?

722
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,080
I had to swap out some of the
kids because there were no

723
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,600
people premium children in that
group.

724
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,840
And we and we had to show that
we're making an impact to people

725
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,040
premium kids.
But this was I could only do

726
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,880
this one group.
So what ended up happening was

727
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,040
rather than just the six kids
that needed this help in this

728
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,960
specific thing the most, I had
to not help two of those kids in

729
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440
place of two other kids who
didn't need the help as much,

730
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,880
but they had the people premium
label.

731
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,720
And that to me, I was like, I
didn't even, I still don't even

732
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,400
know how to navigate that
because I'm sort of like

733
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,440
everything you said about people
payment and the fact they get

734
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,640
the funding and they it needs to
be evidenced and they do need to

735
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,600
get this extra stuff.
But in that situation, they

736
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,240
didn't need that help.
These other kids did.

737
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,360
And I didn't get to give it to
those other kids because of the

738
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,080
system.
Yeah.

739
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,120
And I was like, I don't even
know.

740
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,960
I don't know what like the right
thing is to do.

741
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,920
Well, I think we do know what
the right thing is to do.

742
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,960
Not like, yeah, give the support
that as a professional.

743
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720
You said that the class and then
those children, maybe they need

744
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,120
support in something else, but
maybe it doesn't lend itself to

745
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,080
that group of that intervention
you were doing at that time.

746
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Yeah.
But what the shit becomes an

747
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
either or.
It's like, sure, those children

748
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,960
need that support and and we can
maybe use the extra funding to

749
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,120
do, but school doesn't work like
that.

750
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,920
What do you mean use the extra
funding to do that?

751
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,040
It's going to be 1/2 hour
intervention once a week.

752
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,320
Yeah.
Like what are we just adding

753
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,680
that onto someone's like pay
packet?

754
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,920
You're not getting extra funding
for it.

755
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Like what do what do we mean?
What am I going to do it?

756
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,720
It's just, it makes no sense.
Yeah, I agree.

757
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,520
You have to come from
fundamentally what do the

758
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,400
children need for their
academia?

759
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Yeah, literally what, what
support do they need?

760
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,640
The the fact we're coming at it
from a different angle at all

761
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,000
just undermines the process.
And then those kids who are,

762
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,760
they're left behind a bit
because they don't have that

763
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,440
tag.
And people premium groups like

764
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,440
this whole thing is kind of
implying to I always found odd

765
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,600
anyway, because it was like
being pupil premium, although

766
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,440
there was a correlation that you
said there like clearly that,

767
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,200
you know, there's a, we can
generalise about, you know, what

768
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,440
they get.
Percentage expected exactly

769
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,960
like.
We can, unlike A macro scale,

770
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,360
but generally, like when it's
OK, you've got six people

771
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560
premium children in your class,
they need a group.

772
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,800
To me, I I was always, I never
actually had a situation where

773
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,920
it was like, Oh yes, all these
six people premium children,

774
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,200
that means they have these same
gaps.

775
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,880
And this understanding they
don't have, it was never true.

776
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680
Yeah, they would, they would
always just all over the place,

777
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,360
like in terms of what they knew
and what they didn't know, where

778
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,520
their gaps were.
I couldn't, I could never do a

779
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,280
group with people premium.
It didn't make any sense.

780
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,640
No, not at all, not completely.
And it, it frustrated me and

781
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,440
it's good to know.
And you can put support in place

782
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,760
when when they need it,
etcetera.

783
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440
But it just became like a tick
box.

784
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,840
Yeah.
That, that I think sometimes

785
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,720
made my provision worse because
I was altering my provision from

786
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,000
what I thought was the base
level.

787
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Just if no one had anything
ever, I'd be doing this.

788
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,040
Yeah, but because this came in.
Oh, OK.

789
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,960
Well, I'll do that instead.
I've.

790
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,000
Got to change it now, yeah?
Yeah, by definition, that's not

791
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,080
what I would have done.
Yeah, without the information.

792
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,160
To me, I don't know about you,
but like with the fact that

793
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,520
people premium comes with
funding, right?

794
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,640
I just can't see other than like
more holistic stuff when it

795
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
comes down to like maths and
English core math core subjects

796
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,280
and things like that.
Funding to me is like even they

797
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,480
even get one to one support with
that funding or not like the

798
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520
group, the whole group thing to
me just never worked.

799
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,200
Like they can be in groups with
other children who have the same

800
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,080
gaps as them, but when you do a
this is a pupil premium group, I

801
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,040
just found it didn't work.
Like those kids have individual

802
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,120
needs and if they're coming with
funding they need individual

803
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,640
like 1 to one help with those
things.

804
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840
But I think that's just an
indication of like maybe the

805
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,680
system's a bit weird because I
don't necessarily think that's

806
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,200
the right way to go about it.
Because I, I think personally

807
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800
the right way to go about it
would be to total up your pupil

808
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,720
premium.
Let's say your, your entire

809
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,600
school in general have like
this, even like a 40%, let's say

810
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,320
you get X amount of money as a
school and then the school just

811
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,040
spend that money to enhance
provision.

812
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,600
And, and what I, what I don't
kind of like is that that

813
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,760
provision can enhance everyone,
but there'll, there'll be people

814
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,280
out there saying, no, that
provision needs to enhance

815
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,840
exactly these 40% children
somehow.

816
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,400
And it's like, do you know what
if you get pupil premium

817
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,440
provision?
And as a result of that, it

818
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,880
means you can hire an extra
teacher in each year group and

819
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,400
therefore the ratios in the
classes are lower and you're

820
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,320
able to hit the needs of the
children more specifically than

821
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,200
before.
Just because you can't look at

822
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720
the exact 40% getting exactly
this because of that, I don't

823
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,000
necessarily think that's a bad
use of that.

824
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,840
Money.
Yeah, me neither.

825
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,240
So, so I get it.
I get it because it's

826
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,440
frustrating because you need to
account for the money and say

827
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,520
it's doing this and this and
this.

828
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,520
But when you're talking about,
you know, an economic background

829
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,000
is a reason why you're getting
more money in a school, What

830
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,160
what can I do for just those 40%
like go on a trip, maybe some

831
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,880
enrichment and things like that,
which is lovely.

832
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,160
That makes sense as well.
Because these children by

833
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,920
definition are coming from a
poorer socio economic

834
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,280
background, are less likely to
get these things doing something

835
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,560
nice for just them.
Absolutely, that makes sense.

836
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,440
But what you're talking about,
and we're talking about here is

837
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,320
when that seeps into the, you
know, an English lesson, a maths

838
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,440
lesson, it has to come from what
the professional thinks the

839
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,320
children need support in first.
It cannot come from.

840
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,120
There's a group first, do
something for them.

841
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Yeah.
Because like you said, am I, am

842
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,040
I getting a bit of this funding
then?

843
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Yeah.
Does this fund this thing I'm

844
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,200
doing?
No, No, it doesn't.

845
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800
It's just, you know, there's
pressure from the top down to

846
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,680
make it look like these are
making progress so we can

847
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,760
justify what we're doing with
the money.

848
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,040
Yeah.
So the system.

849
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,200
I'd say so.
Good.

850
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,280
The system itself I think is
broken because it ends up with

851
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,360
that being the case rather than
it going towards maybe those

852
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,440
things like enrichment,
playground activities, etcetera

853
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,520
which which seemed to make more
sense.

854
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,520
If it's just about academia, it
doesn't work unless you're doing

855
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,720
a A plan 1 to one for each kid.
Yeah.

856
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,400
So everything you said there is
what I was trying to save it way

857
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,400
better by the end of it, you got
to the kind of what the end of

858
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,120
my Fort train, which was like,
yeah.

859
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,280
So realistically in in the
academic, academic sense, unless

860
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,400
you're literally doing 1 to 1
where you can tangibly say this

861
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,560
money exclusively went to this
charges people premium, Yeah.

862
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,080
Then then it kind of has to go
to everyone or it doesn't and it

863
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,440
impacts us in other ways.
Like you said, I'm not getting

864
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,960
the funding for running this
people premium group.

865
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,760
I'm just a teacher.
I'm literally all that's

866
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,600
happened now is the kids that I
were going to help with who

867
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320
needed the most help now don't
ironically get it because I have

868
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,520
to show progress to the people
premium kids for the to justify

869
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,720
the funding that I'm not getting
to do it.

870
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,400
It's just a weird cycle.
And I always found that in my

871
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,480
career and I don't I've never
met anyone who's cracked that.

872
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Genuinely.
I don't I don't know a single

873
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,720
teacher or head teacher I've
ever spoken to who's given me a

874
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,560
situation.
I've gone, oh God, that is it.

875
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440
That's the that's, that's the
best way to approach people with

876
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,600
pupil premium funding.
Yeah, I don't know what it is.

877
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,960
So if you know it like right in,
let us know because I really

878
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,320
don't know what the answer is to
no.

879
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,760
No completely, completely.
Very interesting.

880
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,760
I don't think though the answer
is putting a big red sticker on

881
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840
pupil premium.
But no I don't think that's the

882
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520
answer actually.
Next one.

883
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,680
I know an ex colleague whose mum
passed and the place we used to

884
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,400
work at asked if she could move
the funeral as it was scheduled

885
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,680
on a tricky day.
She didn't, and then we've both

886
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,880
left.
Since no way.

887
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200
No way.
Sorry.

888
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,760
Yeah, I know.
That's sad.

889
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,720
I understand.
Yeah.

890
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,200
Oh, well, I know.
Grief.

891
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,680
Grief.
Grief.

892
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400
Grief.
When's the funeral?

893
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Because I heard it's on a
Thursday.

894
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,960
Thursday is not a very good day
for Cover.

895
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Can you move it so bad?
What?

896
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:14,560
Sorry, the reason that's a red
flag is it's awful because any,

897
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,120
any human being with even just a
small moral compass would not

898
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,760
let anything override the fact
that that person is going

899
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,080
through horrendous grief that
their mums just passed away.

900
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,679
And no matter how inconvenient
it is for you in that moment, a

901
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,719
rule of law of just being a
moral human is you don't say

902
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,760
that.
You don't say, oh, could we move

903
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,800
it?
Can we move for you?

904
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,040
Because yeah, because and then
insert honest to God, any reason

905
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,239
work related.
It's ridiculous.

906
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,280
Is that trickier than the day
being tricky for it being when

907
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,520
you're burying someone's mum?
Yes.

908
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,560
Exactly is that.
Trickier.

909
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,520
Oh, God.
Oh, it's a tricky day.

910
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,440
Oh, my goodness.
Life is too short.

911
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Yeah.
And there are too many people

912
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,760
who who firstly think that that
that's acceptable.

913
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,560
It's not acceptable.
It's not acceptable.

914
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,160
If someone's mother's funerals
on a certain day, you get over

915
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,440
it as an employer.
It's the end of discussion.

916
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,280
There's nothing more important.
Secondly, and I think this is

917
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,960
sad, there are some people who
will have that said to them who

918
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,040
will then feel like they're
letting their school down.

919
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,360
Oh, I can't say this enough to
you right now.

920
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,520
And if you're this person, I'm
telling you to your ears this

921
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:31,920
instant, you are not remotely at
all responsible for anything to

922
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920
do with that school on a day
when this is happening.

923
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,040
No.
Remotely, there is nothing at

924
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,560
all that you can do.
Look, I'm going to try and push

925
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,720
it to the absolute NTH degree.
If there's a couple of days that

926
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,600
you can choose for a funeral and
there's absolutely no difference

927
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,800
on who can make the funeral and
pay their respects to this human

928
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,360
being who's passed away,
unfortunately.

929
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,960
And there is absolutely nothing
different between two days.

930
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,400
Yeah.
You just get and you and you

931
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,520
just get to pick.
And there's genuinely nothing

932
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,960
that can affect you at all.
Probably you'd pick the day,

933
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,480
then you'd think about other
people that at that point maybe

934
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,560
you'd think, do you know what?
Yeah.

935
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,360
Do you know, do you know I'm
just going to pick this day

936
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080
because it's more convenient in
general and there's nothing else

937
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,840
that doesn't exist that doesn't
happen.

938
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,600
No.
The funeral directors give you a

939
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,960
date and you say yes.
You don't.

940
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,200
You don't barter with the
funeral directors.

941
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Yeah, Yeah.
You know, unless you maybe can't

942
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,720
make that day for a very
specific reason.

943
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,040
There's so many things that come
before the workplace.

944
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,360
Doing your work.
Yeah, Oh my goodness me.

945
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,840
It's so far down on the list
that I think there's probably no

946
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,480
situation ever where it's and
for the school to initiate it as

947
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,760
well.
Never.

948
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,720
Never.
I'm sorry to that person.

949
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,800
Yeah.
Surrender.

950
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,000
Sorry on behalf of.
I'm glad they left.

951
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Yeah, absolutely.
I've always found that weird

952
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,240
when people say sorry when it's
not their fault.

953
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,640
Yeah, it's just like, it's like
an empathy.

954
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,800
Sorry, isn't it?
Yeah, completely.

955
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,720
But I'm.
I feel, I feel so sorry for you

956
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,400
that I almost feel like I have
to apologise for this other

957
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,960
person.
Like that's how bad it's like an

958
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,920
exaggeration thing, isn't?
It, yeah, definitely.

959
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,120
But I remember growing up
thinking I'm not sorry mine

960
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,200
didn't do it.
Yeah, but that's just my that's

961
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,160
a me problem.
That's the Dylan thing.

962
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,480
I.
Think that's a very Dylan thing,

963
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,560
I think.
But yeah, I am sorry, genuinely,

964
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,680
because is like, I understand
what the word actually means and

965
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,840
that is that's awful.
OK, let's do the next one e-mail

966
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,840
this week saying if we're off
sick, it puts extra stress on

967
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,200
the class teams, costs the
school money getting agency

968
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,760
staff in and causes resentment
in class.

969
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,480
Oh so basically we've had to
stop being I'll Sen school here

970
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,760
where students come in sneezing,
coughing and having been

971
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,360
throwing up or with diarrhoea.
Even though I do.

972
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,920
You know what?
Even that last bit, that person

973
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,560
clearly felt like they need to
justify it somehow.

974
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Like they didn't even need that.
Honestly, you didn't even need

975
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,920
to tell us that there are kids
that make you sick.

976
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
If you're sick, you're sick.
Oh, I didn't.

977
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Know actually, that me being
sick means things have to be put

978
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040
in place next time I'll.
Make sure.

979
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,560
What do you think that's
achieving?

980
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,200
No one's learning anything from
this.

981
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,200
It causes, oh, my God, me being
sick causes extra stress on

982
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,920
other people because I'm not in
doing the work.

983
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,880
They have to wait.
They have to make up for the

984
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,720
fact that I'm not in.
Yeah.

985
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Oh, my God.
I didn't know.

986
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,560
I wouldn't have been sick
otherwise.

987
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,480
Like just certain nonsense.
Big red flag, very toxic super.

988
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,640
All of these big ones have been
about control.

989
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,080
Like weird control freaks, head
teachers that think they can

990
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,200
just dominate your lives and
control things that don't even

991
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,680
make sense.
OK, let me push back to you

992
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,440
then, because we post these
things online, social media,

993
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,320
people like to say their
different views etcetera.

994
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,840
I genuinely really like it when
someone has a completely

995
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
different view but they're
normal and post normal comment

996
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,080
because it's interesting.
I like that.

997
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,680
Yeah, I genuinely do.
So I'm going to put this to you

998
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,640
now as a mini discussion because
someone said they replied to

999
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,400
this and they said, you know
what?

1000
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,680
I, I absolutely, I don't even
disagree with what you're

1001
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,760
saying.
So I'm going to play this role

1002
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,400
with this person.
Now, I don't disagree at all

1003
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,480
with what you just said, but I
have worked in schools genuinely

1004
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,520
where multiple people have just
completely taken advantage of

1005
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,040
the system of, of being sick,
taking days off and not cared

1006
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,760
about the knock on effect it's
had on me and my team, etcetera,

1007
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,960
consistently.
And, and I know they've not been

1008
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,760
genuinely ill and they've even
said that, oh, I just took a day

1009
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,120
off because I fancied it.
I wanted that.

1010
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,440
I've got all these things to do
and they had no kind of remorse

1011
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,840
for that and understanding.
And from their point of view,

1012
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
you know, fair enough.
But from my point of view as a

1013
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,320
member of this team, you know,
it's frustrating and we should

1014
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,520
crack down.
And actually, and these people

1015
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,840
do need to know that when
they're off, it really does have

1016
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360
that effect.
And hopefully just them seeing

1017
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,160
that will make them think twice
before they do that next.

1018
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Time.
Unfortunately it won't.

1019
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,120
That's the answer is I get all
of that.

1020
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,040
But what if it did for someone
who went?

1021
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,720
Yeah.
Do you know what?

1022
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,760
I will stop that.
I'm asking you now.

1023
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Is that enough to justify it?
Like is the fact that let's say

1024
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,080
it does work and have that
effect on the people I'm

1025
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,400
thinking like this person's
thinking of right now and it

1026
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,920
does genuinely affect them
enough to be like, I'll stop

1027
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,080
taking a Mick.
I'll just, is that enough?

1028
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,840
Not, no, not for me, not for me.
I get it.

1029
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,800
I really do get it.
And it's not like a black and

1030
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,360
white thing here.
I understand that.

1031
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,840
I can see why it might could be
in a situation where it works

1032
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,320
the most perfect it could ever
work, right?

1033
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,680
But at the end of the day,
you're still throwing everyone

1034
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,920
else under the bus who doesn't
do this thing and potentially

1035
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,360
making some people feel really
anxious about getting sick when

1036
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,240
they shouldn't be and genuinely
all like pushing them to

1037
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,320
breaking in.
Like it's like employment law in

1038
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,440
my head of of being like,
there's things you shouldn't do

1039
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,680
in employment law.
And you're kind of skirting

1040
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,600
around it here by not saying
directly.

1041
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,200
If you're sick coming to work,
you know you're going to be

1042
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,560
fired.
That would be bad.

1043
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,760
But when we skirt around it with
other like implicit things,

1044
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,520
passive things, we go, this
might be all right then, because

1045
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,960
some people are taking the
taking the Mick.

1046
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,440
We gave an example earlier.
Of people taking the make out of

1047
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,880
do we do we break the whole
system and make everyone feel

1048
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,240
punished because some people are
exploiting the system?

1049
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,240
No, I don't think that in
basically any walk of life, even

1050
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,480
a long time ago we talked about
it with benefit fraud and things

1051
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,160
like that.
Do we just scrap benefits of

1052
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,200
everyone because something?
No, we don't do that.

1053
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
There's a problem with the
system in this situation.

1054
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,760
If they're, if they were easily
identifiable, then in your

1055
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,320
made-up scenario, people who are
clearly taking the Mick and

1056
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,720
they're going to holidays,
they're literally saying to

1057
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,240
other people, OK, throw them
under the bus then they're not

1058
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:52,200
doing you.
They're horrible.

1059
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,000
If they're, they know they
don't, they're not learning

1060
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,200
anything really new here.
They're just getting called out

1061
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,160
on it.
And that's what's making them

1062
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920
go, oh, maybe I'll stop then
because I think you're not going

1063
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,960
to get in trouble.
They already knew this before

1064
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,960
and no one's stupid enough to
not know this is like that.

1065
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,120
It's going to impact other
people at.

1066
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,360
Work.
They might be ignorant enough to

1067
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,760
ignore it.
Maybe, yeah.

1068
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,640
And maybe that brings us to four
point. 9 But even call them out,

1069
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,440
that's.
What I mean individually call

1070
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,240
them out, Yeah, I don't care.
I don't care.

1071
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,880
Like, oh, they're my mate, okay,
but they're impacting your work.

1072
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,720
They're not your mate that much.
If they impact your work every

1073
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,840
time, tell them.
Tell them if this if this works

1074
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,560
on a macro scale or e-mail to
everyone telling them face to

1075
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,280
face as your mate will
definitely work.

1076
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Like there's other ways to do
this.

1077
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,400
You don't need to do a blanket
thing across the school that

1078
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,200
makes realistically 95% of the
staff just feel rubbish and feel

1079
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,600
guilty and anxious every time
they're ill for the sake of the

1080
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,360
5% of staff who've been taking
the mic.

1081
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,000
But you can go.
But they're not doing it

1082
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:43,920
anymore.
It's like, yeah, they're not

1083
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,920
doing it anymore and most of
your staff now hate working.

1084
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,200
Here and they're coming in and
they're spreading their own

1085
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,480
this.
Yeah, even worse.

1086
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,960
So no, Long story short, it
doesn't justify it.

1087
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440
I can understand why people do
it but no it's pretty toxic to

1088
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,760
me like.
There's a couple left harping

1089
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,480
back to something we said
previously, but still, clearly

1090
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,280
still it's a thing, so maybe we
should post it again.

1091
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,280
All right.
We had our adult chairs and

1092
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,000
desks removed.
I had no adult chair in infants

1093
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,440
and marking on tiny tables.
I developed back and shoulder

1094
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,960
pain, physio, etcetera.
And health and safety rules mean

1095
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,000
where the work is responsible
for your injury, you can claim I

1096
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,920
got my chair back.
I, I put this one in and I know

1097
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,280
we've sort of talked about it
before, but I think because I

1098
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,640
was in a situation that was
very, very similar to this.

1099
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,760
So I, I feel like I need to talk
about it is go on.

1100
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,080
It's crazy.
I worked in a school once where

1101
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,320
and and this is probably
important context, right?

1102
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,880
It wasn't even done, I don't
think maliciously.

1103
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,840
Go on.
We had our chairs removed in

1104
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,320
favour of it was it was a very
arty school and in favour of

1105
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,720
these other chairs that looked
nicer and fit with the theme of

1106
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,640
the school more, but they were
wooden and just less

1107
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,560
comfortable, right, right.
And in that the classrooms

1108
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,440
weren't particularly big and
there just wasn't space for a

1109
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,920
desk and another teacher at the
front.

1110
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,560
And they were just like, cool,
we're just not going to use it.

1111
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,560
You can just sit at the tables
and do whatever you need to do

1112
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,440
and you've got a laptop so you
can go in the staff room and

1113
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,680
work in there.
That was their justification of

1114
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,200
I think it was an oversight
because I didn't, firstly, it

1115
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,200
wasn't always appropriate to go
into the into the staff room

1116
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,640
and, and work in a communal
space.

1117
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,720
Sometimes you just needed to be
in your room with your, with

1118
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,600
your boxes of books and we'll do
whatever you're doing.

1119
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,160
But it was horrendous though.
It was awful for my back.

1120
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,720
So I can simplify for this
person.

1121
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,680
And I do know of other schools
where it was done in a toxic way

1122
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,440
of teachers don't work hard
enough and they're just lazy.

1123
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,320
When they sit at their chairs,
they're just lazy.

1124
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,640
Their desks just get cluttered
and look horrible and they're

1125
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
lazy.
And then they take them away.

1126
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,160
Yeah, right.
And they take them away.

1127
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,640
Oh, that situation is what to me
is like, that's a big red flag.

1128
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,760
It's still a red flag.
I think in any situation though.

1129
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,960
If I walked into a school and
they didn't have teacher desks

1130
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,080
or chairs, Oh yeah, I'd still be
like, I don't.

1131
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,040
Even if you've been just really
ignorant to it and you've not

1132
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
even realised this is awful,
that's still a red flag to me.

1133
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,720
The fact that you've made that
decision and thought that was

1134
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,480
all right.
There's I'm sorry, you're giving

1135
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,800
way too much leeway.
I am.

1136
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,040
I'm being very.
Very anyone who takes away

1137
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,960
teacher desks and chair is a
genuine idiot.

1138
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,520
And there they are.
No, they are really, they truly

1139
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,000
are because they can't possibly
have spoken to their staff about

1140
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,800
this.
They can't possibly have done

1141
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,240
that.
So they're just doing it from a

1142
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,880
point of view of like an
idealistic point of view is that

1143
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,040
they don't like maybe the fact
when they're showing people

1144
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,960
around or when when they look
around that they go into a

1145
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,560
classroom and someone, sometimes
some teachers sat at the desk.

1146
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,440
Do you know what?
It's the really running theme

1147
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,320
here of almost everything we're
talking about.

1148
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,520
The small con or some cons to a
way of doing stuff doesn't

1149
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,320
necessarily automatically mean
you should just scrap it as

1150
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,280
well.
You have to have nuance with

1151
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,160
everything because what's what
you're going to create more

1152
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,560
issues if you change it.
Well then don't change it.

1153
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Work around the cons you have,
Target those.

1154
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,000
If there are some teachers out
there who are in that school

1155
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,480
just sitting at their desk and
not really interacting with the

1156
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,520
children, And then because of
that, the children aren't making

1157
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,920
as much progress and they're
able to do so, but they just

1158
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,600
choose not to because they're
always sit at their desk and do

1159
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,640
marking.
Talk to that teacher.

1160
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Don't take the desk away for
everyone, for everyone, but even

1161
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,160
for them, even for them, because
they still have a use case for a

1162
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,000
desk.
Just because they're using it

1163
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,160
maybe in a way that isn't
necessarily the best, doesn't

1164
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,800
mean you take it away.
Taking a chair, what's wrong

1165
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,760
with you?
I sat in my chair all the time

1166
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,640
because I just as a teacher,
knew that there were points

1167
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,680
where I definitely was stood up.
I was walking around there.

1168
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,400
You've seen me teach before.
I'm very animated.

1169
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,680
I'm over the top.
There's also sometimes where I

1170
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,200
sit down and do you know what
that does?

1171
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,200
It sent also genuinely sends a
message to the rest of the class

1172
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,040
calm time.
So I sit down.

1173
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,840
Sometimes I'll sit down when
especially when they're doing

1174
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,600
some independent.
Writing.

1175
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,640
Yes, I was.
Going to say that I'll be like

1176
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,360
cool, time to listen, just sit
down, relax, have a go.

1177
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,400
You've got your plan, take your
time.

1178
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,120
I sat down.
It was almost like a a non

1179
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,800
verbal cue for the kids to go.
OK, OK, cool.

1180
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,280
This isn't Mr. Price over my
shoulder.

1181
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,720
This isn't a high energy that
sometimes an input is when we're

1182
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,760
going to it's time to I'm not.
Going to put my hand up every

1183
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,560
two seconds and get his help
because it's independent

1184
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,880
writing.
Yeah, I found that as well.

1185
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,440
I got I think you might have
showed me that I got to the

1186
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,400
point where I had to make I had
such an easy class that year

1187
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,960
that they would not do writing
without them.

1188
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,760
That's I was just like spoon
feeding everything.

1189
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,400
I was like, no, like this is in
this bit is independent.

1190
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,720
I had to just sit down and
honestly like turn my back to

1191
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:03,760
them.
Not I didn't do it the whole

1192
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,800
time I was because that's
ridiculous.

1193
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,240
But turn my back to them to kind
of indicate like this is

1194
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,640
independent time now.
Like and then after about 20

1195
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,120
seconds, I'd sort of turn back
around sideways and think,

1196
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
right, they're doing it now.
But anyway, yeah, I couldn't

1197
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,520
have done that if I didn't have
my.

1198
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,240
My you could have sat down in
the corner like Gollum and just

1199
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,760
turned around holding the knees.
Yeah.

1200
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,520
So yeah, anyway, I was just
sympathising this person.

1201
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,200
That's why I left it in because,
yeah, it also, just to be really

1202
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,280
clear, I also got horrendous
back pain from doing that.

1203
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,080
And yeah, like I didn't say that
school for too long, but I think

1204
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,280
I think it would have like, over
years, genuinely been absolutely

1205
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,880
catastrophic for my physical
health.

1206
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,680
Well, your your physical hub's
already terrible.

1207
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,720
Imagine how much it would have
been.

1208
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,200
Right now, yeah, I wouldn't be
able to move.

1209
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,720
Geez, I mean, you've said to me
every two weeks for about 3

1210
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,080
years so you can sort your
physical health out.

1211
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Yeah.
When's that started?

1212
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,040
Clues in what I'm saying.
I need to not not.

1213
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,480
I'm going to right now.
I need to just acknowledging it.

1214
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Right.
Go on.

1215
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,240
Hey, they read the last one.
The last.

1216
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,840
One all right then.
Before we read this though,

1217
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,520
people can leave as a review.
If they're enjoying what they're

1218
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,000
saying, they can share it with
someone who might find it

1219
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,160
useful.
Will you have a laugh with your

1220
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,320
friends?
Want to share this podcast

1221
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,560
around with everyone and let's
go.

1222
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,320
Cool.
I think one other thing they can

1223
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,360
do is they could ignore
everything we've said in here

1224
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,800
and just say they see it as so
negative and horrible for the

1225
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,280
job.
You're making teaching out to

1226
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,160
sound awful.
Oh, am I making it out sound

1227
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,720
awful or are the people
implementing these making it

1228
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,880
awful?
Yeah, why should I direct my

1229
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,520
anger comment section?
Definitely us last one then this

1230
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,680
doesn't happen.
I've not experienced this in my

1231
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,360
time so this can't happen.
Why are you just making things

1232
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,760
up?
My favourite thing is when that

1233
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,400
person isn't even a teacher,
this doesn't happen.

1234
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,880
I've not experienced this and
I'm not even in the job is like

1235
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,360
what is your ego?
What's wrong with you?

1236
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,000
You are not the main character.
All right.

1237
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,680
Your experience is not the
experience of everyone ever in

1238
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,040
the whole world.
In fact, your experience is

1239
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,000
almost irrelevant.
Almost.

1240
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,880
Completely.
I'm being kind, right?

1241
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,720
Last one, I wasn't allowed to
stay in my class from a break or

1242
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,440
lunch.
We were rounded up.

1243
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,080
We were rounded up by the head
so she could hold court in the

1244
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,000
staff room.
I shit you not, they made it one

1245
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,280
of my NQT targets.
A target.

1246
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,560
I've never experienced this
before.

1247
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,920
This must be made-up.
Do you know what?

1248
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,040
I bet.
I bet.

1249
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,080
Yeah.
If this person's commented on

1250
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,840
this to make this up to get a
couple of likes, well done.

1251
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,640
Yeah.
But do you know what one of the

1252
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,040
one of the biggest theme of
comment on when we posted this

1253
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,440
online was?
People saying, I'm disgusted by

1254
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,600
this, but not at all shocked.
Yeah, like that, that was a huge

1255
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,320
theme because yeah, this happens
all the time.

1256
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,320
I can genuinely imagine someone
sat there going, oh, a target

1257
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,760
for you then we need to make
some going to target.

1258
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,400
Don't stay in your break time.
Don't stay in your room at

1259
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,120
lunchtime.
So basically directing your

1260
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,560
undirected.
Time again, we're going to round

1261
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,000
you up.
You see a little cattle, all of

1262
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,280
the.
The teachers into the staff

1263
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,640
room.
So the the hold court is such a

1264
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,960
good way of saying as well, like
basically that that head teacher

1265
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,720
is a control freak.
Big time.

1266
00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:59,920
Yeah.
Yeah, big time.

1267
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,360
What would you do if they come
around to you genuinely right?

1268
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,960
Jokes aside, I'm trying to be
completely genuine now and I'm

1269
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,240
talking about in your most
recent school where you got on

1270
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,480
with your head teacher.
Oh, OK, OK, but I'm being and

1271
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,640
they just said, you know what,
break time and lunchtime now

1272
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,760
from now on, you can't stay in
your class.

1273
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,920
You need to come, you need to
come to the staff room and

1274
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,640
they're being really serious and
you got went over.

1275
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,280
Like how are you joking?
Like no, no, seriously, we're

1276
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,640
doing this because of that.
What would you genuinely go

1277
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,000
about?
Like how would you go about

1278
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,920
that?
I think with everything

1279
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,640
considered in the relationship
to have that school, I would

1280
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,400
say, come on, you know, I'm not
going to do that.

1281
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,200
You know that that is a silly
policy and you know that's

1282
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,880
something you can't enforce.
Like, come on, do we, do we

1283
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,280
really need to go down this road
like I would?

1284
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,160
I would be still in jest a
little bit.

1285
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,120
Trying to just get through are.
We really going to go down this

1286
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,560
road because you know it's not
going to happen.

1287
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,120
You know I'm not going to do
that and there's nothing you can

1288
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,520
do to enforce.
I'm going to go eat my lunch

1289
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,160
like we are we serious?
I'd probably have that sort of

1290
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,960
banter and then.
And how would it change if you

1291
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,320
were then in the school where
you knew it was toxic, but

1292
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,880
you're just getting through the
year, You're going to leave at

1293
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,840
the end of the year and they say
halfway through, right, Not

1294
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,440
allowed to get anymore, come to
the staff room.

1295
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,880
How would you approach it more
differently?

1296
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,440
I'm thinking people listening.
Yeah, sure, sure.

1297
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,160
So I wouldn't.
So the only reason I was a bit

1298
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,960
more jovial on that one is
because of all the respect and

1299
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,120
years I've had with that exact
staff and knowing that they

1300
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,960
would, they're not like they're
reasonable to talk to you.

1301
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,160
Normally in a situation where I
already know that's not the

1302
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,040
case, I would be straight to the
point and say this is undirected

1303
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,000
time.
I'm really sorry to tell you.

1304
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,200
I still be polite, always
polite.

1305
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,800
I'm really sorry.
I think so.

1306
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,880
I think it's people's
basketball.

1307
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,600
I would try to be in this
situation where I can make it up

1308
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,480
in my head right now and I'm not
actually angered by it in the

1309
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,200
moment.
Right in the moment, probably a

1310
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,520
bit annoyed, but I think it's
better as a play when you're

1311
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,240
polite because people don't get
their backs up as much, more

1312
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,080
likely to actually remotely
listen to you even if you think

1313
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,920
they're not going to.
So I'm really sorry, but this is

1314
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,720
undirected time.
Like we can check the contracts

1315
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,360
if you want, but like, I'm not
going to be doing that.

1316
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,280
And I'd leave it and then say
whatever they want to say.

1317
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,200
And I'd just keep saying that.
Yeah, I would just double.

1318
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,400
Less of a conversation, more of
a register, just a statement.

1319
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,760
Of fact home my ground statement
of fact this is this is the case

1320
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,040
if you really want to get unions
involved, we can I'd go down the

1321
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,760
path of aggressive threats if
they carried on if you really

1322
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,440
want to get unions involved to
check the contracts we can do

1323
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,200
that if you want, but I don't
think that's necessary and we

1324
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,920
all know the rules here like we
don't need to do this so

1325
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,440
brilliant no and actually I'm
I'm off out because it's my

1326
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,480
lunch hour and I've got to get.
Some Oh, and actually it's the

1327
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,920
end of this podcast as well.
So I guess we'll see you next

1328
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,480
time and hope you enjoyed that
little dive into the worst

1329
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,400
school policy that we can see.
Maybe we'll come back in a few

1330
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,800
more months when we posted about
this.

1331
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,040
We get some more stuff.
There's a lot of stories out

1332
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,640
there.
So we can definitely do that,

1333
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,520
guys.
Hope you enjoyed it Hayden.

1334
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,280
Yeah, hope you enjoyed our
webinar yesterday.

1335
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,560
Oh yeah, and if you didn't turn
up, it's recorded so you'll get

1336
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,440
the link.
See you next time.

1337
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Perfect.
Bye bye.