Ep 187: Q&A - Ridiculous TA Expectations, Spotting Red Flags & Times Table Advice!

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of THT Repeat.

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My name is Dylan and I'm talking
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two .25.
What a prank 2.252.25.

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What?
What AI bet you guys are

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laughing?
I know right?

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I bet you guys are laughing.
I didn't realise I put it on 1.5

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and it actually was down to
naughty .75.

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Which if we're talking at 1.5,
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You good?
Yeah, I'm good.

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I'm good.
I'm.

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Back with another question and
answer episode.

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Yeah.
You've already forgotten the

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thing you asked me to start
with, haven't you?

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No.
All right, go on in.

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No.
What do you mean?

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I'll throw it over to you.
No, I was actually going to

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laugh about the fact that I
opened this iPad to get the

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questions up and the first thing
I was met with was about 4000

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emojis on a random text
document.

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So, Dylan, either you've got an
emoji problem, an emoji

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addiction, or something else is
going on with Rory.

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He loves using the iPad, didn't
he?

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Yeah, I was waiting for you to
be like iPad, kid.

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Yeah, that's kind of what I was
getting out.

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He loves using, he loves using
the iPad 6 hours a day, doesn't

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he doesn't to watch YouTube.
Brain rot doesn't.

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He doesn't.
This is where I'm backing up

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what we've always said about not
all screen time is equal, right?

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Yeah, because ground rules for
for, for context, he's 2.

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There'll be some people out
there who go.

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You should know what happened.
He's he shouldn't even be

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knowing what we're seeing.
What It's our when he's 2,

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there'll be people like that.
Yeah.

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And they, they have the best
interest of the kids at heart.

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Realistically, we do live in the
21st century when there is

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technology everywhere.
And I do own an iPad and he has

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seen an iPad before.
And the only thing we, there's

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two things we do on the iPad and
that's it is he does some

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drawing on the on the note with
me.

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So never ever not with me when
he's doing it.

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We do some drawing together
where he's names different

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colours and he does some drawing
very good, quite nice and cute.

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I think, by the way, he draws on
paper much more than he draws on

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the iPad, just so everyone's
aware of that.

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Yeah, not that that's an issue,
genuinely.

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But he's still good.
For him to hold a pen and

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actually do something like it is
genuinely good.

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But also, he does that on the
iPad sometimes.

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And then other times he likes
naming the animals because he's

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obsessed of animals.
You know, Rory, he's obsessed of

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animals.
We go to the zoo nearly every

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week just to walk around and see
the monkeys and the tigers go

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raw.
And, yeah, so we sit there and

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the emojis come up at the bottom
on the notes app, and it's all

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the animals.
And he presses them and says

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what they are and said, daddy,
see the orangutan.

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I'm like, yeah.
And then I get him to find an

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animal.
He presses it.

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And that is the extent of what
he used the iPad for.

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And I personally think it's
actually a net good.

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Blah, blah, blah, blah.
The thing is, Dylan, The thing

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is, Dylan, I stopped listening
when you said that your son uses

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an iPad.
So whatever you said after that

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is irrelevant to me because at
the end of the day, at the end

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of the day, all strain time is
bad.

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You know, I just think that's,
that's important context to get

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out there.
It doesn't I whatever you said

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he does, at the end of the day,
that brain rot is going to kill

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him.
That brain rot is going to kill

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him whatever you said that he
does on it.

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Yeah.
No, I I agree like.

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Well, and I, I do have like
really strict lines of him.

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He he's never watched the video
on an iPad because I I to me, I

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think that is a recipe for
disaster.

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Yeah, I agree.
As soon as he knows this iPad

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can play a dinosaur video.
Can you imagine?

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Yeah, Right.
Yeah.

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So.
Don't let him find GIFs.

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Yeah, honestly.
Actually, they're pronounced

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jiff, So try to pronounce them.
Oh no, I'm not even joking.

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We're not having that, but it's
pronounced.

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It's not.
It is because the person who

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invented them, who made-up the
acronym and the word and the

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actual thing said he calls them
jiff.

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So it's Jiff.
Blah blah blah blah blah, here

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he goes again.
It's a jiff.

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Take it to JOD.
Oh, I don't like it.

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Don't your problems with Judd
mate.

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Yeah, so take it to George or
say it's a gorge.

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Hi, Gorge.
Sorry.

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Sorry.
No, I don't care that it's your

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name that you were named.
And you tell me because it's

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your name.
I'm going to pronounce it Gorge

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because I don't care what you
have to say.

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I've seen a gorge up in the Lake
District.

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Don't challenge the name.
Yeah, but pointing to anything

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the English language is not
going to back you up.

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There's going to be something on
the other end that makes you

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feel like.
There's been some sort of debate

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online on Reddit at some point
in the in the past which I

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actually which I have read it.
Because you read stuff on it.

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That's a good read it.
That's a fair play.

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That's that's dismantled
everything I was going to say,

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so fair play.
Anyway, enough about the GIFs.

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All the GIFs.
Not just the GIFs, just the

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GIFs.
Just the GIFs.

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No one, no one calls it a GIF.
Because everyone's wrong.

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That's fine.
Next one, right?

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So next one.
Next one we haven't done 1 yet,

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we've been chatting shit for the
last 5 minutes.

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And This is why Q&A episodes are
my favourite episode.

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Yeah.
I love how you just turned to

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actually see the time stamp.
What we are, yeah.

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We're on 9/9 minutes, but there
was a few minutes at the start

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where.
We weren't recording.

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Yeah, here we go.
Right about 5 minutes.

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A story.
I've got a story, I've got a

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story.
So this is for my lovely

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listeners.
You can join the WhatsApp

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community down below, frequently
adding fantastic questions.

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We really appreciate you.
If we've forgotten your

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questions in the past, as
someone in the WhatsApp

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community asked yesterday, do I
need to put my question in again

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or will you go back honest
answer, do it again because

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there's hundreds of.
Questions, you know what

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happens, just be really clear
because I think people might

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think we're horrible.
What actually happens 99.9% of

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the time is we plan out like
6789 questions that we want to

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have to have in the episode.
We only get through a certain

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percentage of them and then we
forget to re include those ones

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next week 'cause we've
highlighted them off yeah on our

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sheet and then we forget.
So.

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That is genuinely.
True, we are just useless.

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So we're gonna start with a
story today, though it's not a

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question.
Alright, so question and answer.

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1st 5 minutes chatting nonsense
and then not a question.

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So let me tell you a story
because this story riled me up.

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Go on.
Then I was talking to a friend

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whose partner is a teacher.
They have a four month old baby,

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congratulations, who has had
some challenging dietary

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allergies they've had to try to
overcome, which has led to a lot

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of waking up in the night.
The partner working full time

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went into school looking a
little tired but still did does

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their job to the same standard
as normal.

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The head teacher went up to them
and commented on their tired

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appearance and said that they
need to stop helping at night as

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that is her job and to focus
himself and his sleep ready to

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work.
What are your thoughts on this?

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Especially after going through
sleep that provide deprivation

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as new dads.
This person was very upset and

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instantly felt like they were
failing at both parenting and

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work after thinking they were
managing just fine.

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There was no comment linking to
their work, it was just very

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personal and crossing what I
think is a very misogynistic

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line.
The person has since felt

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unsettled at school and looked
down upon by their head teacher.

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Head teacher as a male, by the
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If if my head teacher was HS
ticky talky from the Manosphere

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documentary I'd be pretty cross
at that as well.

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What a piece of.
Yeah, genuinely, what is that

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about like?
The head teacher, by the way.

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Yeah, what a plot twist.
Get your sleep.

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What a plot twist.
Turns out we're just horribly

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misogynistic as well.
And yeah, what are you doing,

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man?
Oh my God, man, you're a man.

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I can't even Oh it's just a joke
in case someone clips it.

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Doesn't it annoy?
Yeah, well, they probably will.

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Doesn't it annoy you that people
like that genuinely exist?

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I remember vividly bumping into
an ex teacher of mine from

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secondary school and this was
when Rory was honestly must be

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younger than three months.
Very, very very very on his

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iPad.
Yeah, yeah.

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No, of course not.
And we went out for lunch one of

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the first times we went out for
lunch and we were walking back

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to our car and came across an ex
teacher from secondary school

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who you know, and you probably
have to get to it.

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It's basically what I'm about to
say.

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And I remember him seeing the
baby.

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He said, oh, isn't that lovely
to?

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Oh, it's very nice, very nice.
And me and Lauren were there

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with my son, who's three months
old, and he turned to me and

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went, how you getting on with
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And I was like, that this
question is fine.

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So yeah.
Oh, yeah, all good.

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Obviously I'm very tired, but
this is the most important

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thing.
So I'm a bit tired.

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It's absolutely fine.
Whatever.

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And he just, like, put his hand
on my shoulder and went, make

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sure you're getting sleep, look
after yourself.

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Go and sleep in a different room
if you have to.

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Just make sure you get enough
sleep for work.

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And I remember at the point
being like, I was very sleep

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defied and like a zombie.
And at the point I was just

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like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of
course.

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No intention whatsoever.
Yeah, yeah.

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But is it like an old fashioned
thing?

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It must be like, like, like who
are like, can you leave me

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alone?
Can you not give me this

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unsolicited ridiculous advice in
front of Lauren, in front of the

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person who's raising the baby?
Like, I'm sorry if I had to put

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on a pedestal, which is the most
important job.

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Let me think, the raising of my
child perhaps, like, yeah, I'm

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going to do the nights.
Jesus Christ, of course I was up

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in the night.
Oh, a bit tired at work, was I?

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Yeah.
What's the other option?

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My partner's tired looking after
the baby all day and not able to

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provide property.
It is phenomenal, phenomenal how

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many people cannot equate the
idea of like the job and role of

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looking after a human versus
like any other job that you

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might do outside of the house as
like not remotely equal.

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Like people genuinely think
there's, there's no comparison

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there.
Well, I've got to go to work.

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I this one pays, this one gives
me money.

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That's but that's what people
do.

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I think that's where it's born
from genuinely.

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Like if you look back in history
like I think it is to answer

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your question, by the way, I
think it is an old personal

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thing.
I think because culture

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literally until like 20 years
ago, probably not even that was

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very much, it was all different,
wasn't it?

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There was a lot more families
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start.
Yeah, but I still think that the

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hidden work of a of a mother was
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remotely, whether or not there
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Work I agree I and and like I'm
not even saying 1 cause or the

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other, but I just it was all
different and I do think the

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attitude was very much that
yeah, if if it's not getting

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paid, it's not a job.
It's like, yeah, it's so I can't

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even go too deep because it's
all like classic cliche stuff

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that we all know is like just
completely debunked and just

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nonsense and.
Probably why in this country

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maternity pay is so bad, because
the, the, the outlook is, well,

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we're funding you to not work
for a bit.

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So come on, get back to work.
I am working.

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I'm raising the next generation.
By the way, remember, you were a

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child.
Every single person you speak

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to, these people talk like they
were born 47, working full time

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with the family.
Honestly, it's just outrageous.

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I reckon Boris Johnson was, you
know, he's the one person on

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this planet.
I think someone was not born as

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a baby.
It's Boris Johnson.

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He got born and he was what?
Yeah.

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So, yeah, you know, we could go,
we could spiral for 20 minutes

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on this.
But going back to this, this

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story question, I don't know
what it's really.

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Yeah.
Story.

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It's you don't know what it is.
I started off by saying it's a

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story.
I know I didn't read a story and

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said this is a story, so I don't
know what you say, what it is.

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It's a question or story.
I'm going.

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To read part of this story,
what's your thoughts on this?

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That's a question.
Funnily enough, right in the

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middle there.
You see that?

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Embedded in.
Embedded in the story, which is

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why I said story question both.
Dylan, stop being so sarcastic.

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Wasn't sarcasm even.
The right word.

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Stop being so silly.
I don't know.

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Stop being such a nonce, which I
thought for a long time meant.

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Silly.
I can't believe.

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I can't believe you thought that
that word meant silly.

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I've from from my heart until I
was an adult the.

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Idea of you calling someone a
nonce?

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Or being Nazi.
Think thinking that means you're

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being so silly and then being
mortified that you just.

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Don't use them.
No, I, I repeatedly did that.

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I repeatedly go, oh, you start
to use Nazi goose.

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It cringes me out now, like,
even hearing you say it, Like,

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the idea of saying that word on
a podcast even, like, makes me

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like.
But really it's just funny.

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What?
Yeah.

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The context is I didn't know
what it meant tremendous.

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Like if anyone needs the
context, like hopefully that's

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the whole point of a podcast.
Yeah, won't be clipping that bit

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say that for a bit, but you're
listening to this long form

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podcast.
Hopefully you listen to the

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before and after bit and we both
explained that that's obviously

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a horrible thing of course and
we.

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Didn't know what it meant.
You didn't know what it meant.

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No.
But yeah, I don't know nothing

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more to say on this.
I think at the end of the day,

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that is ridiculous.
Extremely misogynistic.

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I would not.
Monotonistic, misogynistic.

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My job ministic.
Back at the rank.

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No, not the reckon ranks again.
You consistently still can't say

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even outside of the.
Pocket Because, you know, you

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know that thing where you make a
joke out of something and do it

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wrong on purpose for a bit as a
joke.

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Yeah.
And then in my head, that's the

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way you say it.
Embedded.

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So reckon wreck is.
I'm gonna call it Reckon wreck.

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Reckon wreck doesn't matter.
Say isn't.

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I don't know.
You said the right one, I

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thought it was wrong.
You just said reckon wreck,

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which is correct and then I
corrected your miss your that's

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just that's backwards.
I still don't know which ones

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correct so well, I was gonna say
Wreckner Wreck, Wreckner Wreck

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and some kind of order.
And the people will know.

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And it means beads.
Why don't we just say beads?

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Why don't we just say what was
wrong with the word Abacus?

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When someone first said to me,
here's a record, record,

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whatever the is.
Whenever someone said to me,

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here's one of these things,
right?

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I was like, oh, I can't wait for
this brand new master.

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I bet it's really, really
inventive and really helpful.

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And they put Abacus down in
front of me.

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Yeah, it just goes to 20
instead, right?

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It OK, that is an Abacus.
Though isn't it red and white?

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OK, the five for sabotage.
OK, I'm sure.

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Honestly, genuinely, I know it's
a great tool.

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Yeah, but it is just an Abacus.
Yeah, we could have just said

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Abacus.
Plus honestly, plus minus be be

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smaller than what I know.
Oh God, I might make a new one

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out and just call it a Dylan
wreck.

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Yeah, what is this?
Isn't that just a reckon wreck?

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Isn't that just a bead on string
which we actually call beads on

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string?
Like that's all.

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We actually just call it what it
is, beads on string.

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Yeah, what is this lobby of
people who've managed to get

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things named after them like
beans?

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They're just base 10.
That's just, that's just place

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value blocks, right?
Yeah.

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No, they're called Deans with a
capital D.

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Who?
Who's reckon Reckon?

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Who's Dean?
Yeah, yeah, maybe it's Dean.

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Reckon.
And what idiot has the surname

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beads on string?
Like that's mental?

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And what are the chances?
What are the charges that the

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person who invented double sided
counters was called Mr Double

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Sided Cat?
Oh God, we're losing it, Dylan.

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We're losing it.
We are losing.

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Here for the ride, baby.
Anyway, head teachers are twat.

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Just there's no, like, there's
no other way around it.

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Head teachers are twat.
If you had teachers saying stuff

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like that, yeah, they're an
idiot.

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Yeah, all I would do is be
passive aggressive back to them.

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I think that's the best way to
go in life.

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I would just be yeah, served as
well.

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So I didn't realise you had a
baby as well, Sir.

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Like knowing they don't because.
You look like.

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Yeah, yeah, weird that.
Anyway, crack on mate.

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Ridiculous.
Go and sleep in your office,

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right?
Should we do?

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Should we do a question?
Where were we 19 minutes in or

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how?
Long can we not do a question?

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Let's do a question.
Right, OK.

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Yeah, well, yeah, come on, do
something.

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It's great.
I saw one of your clips where

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you said that HLTA and Tasmania
shouldn't be doing any planning

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or marking.
I completely agree by the way.

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However, my last school the HLTA
had 2 1/2 hours of PPA with

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restricted planning.
It was already planned just

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adapting and marking only one
year group as the other subjects

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don't need marking.
Fair enough.

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She manages to get this done in
PPA time and the 15 minutes that

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she's paid before school so
doesn't do any additional work.

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In this scenario, do you believe
the HLT AS still shouldn't be

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doing any planning or marking?
That is a fantastic question

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because it is the scenario and
probably the only scenario where

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I think it edges towards
acceptable.

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I still have my issues with it.
Yeah, me too.

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I really do, and I'll outline
them in a second.

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But in principle, if you're
hired to do a job and the job

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description is really clear and
it involves these things and you

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accept it and you don't have to
work outside of your contracted

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hours, I can't really see
anything in that process.

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Yeah, where it's unacceptable.
Yeah, like someone's getting

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taken advantage.
Of exactly that I think it like,

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you know, if you knew that's
what the job was and you are

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genuinely given time to do that
job and you're not expected to

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do anything outside of your
hours and you've agreed your

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terms.
That's that's obviously fair

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enough in my opinion.
Like as as a base way of just

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looking at how a job works.
I agree it's on the same page.

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So what is the little wider
issue that's in your head?

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Because I've got one, I want to
know if it's the same.

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Well, my, my wider issue here is
that, you know, you are, you

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are, you are at this point
genuinely doing the role of a

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teacher.
So that that is, that is my

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issue here.
And again, with the caveat that

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a teacher's contract explicitly
states that we have to do things

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outside of our directed time.
OK, So the difference here being

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it's already planned.
The HRT is just adapting.

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That's obviously quite different
to what teachers often does,

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which is planning from scratch.
But also teachers do sometimes

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just adapt planning, right.
So, So what I'm saying is what

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is described here is genuinely
what my job became, especially

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when I became more experienced
and able to streamline my time a

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bit more, have previous planning
to work from, tweak and adapt

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and do bits like that.
Yeah, I think a teacher's role

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goes a bit further in terms you
might do some medium term

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planning, you might lead
subjects across the school, you

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might, you know, plan
collaboratively with your peers

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and look at gaps and analyse
things from assessment and, and

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managing your class in general
in terms of like having the

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day-to-day constant exactly
that.

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And like all all the pastoral
side of it as well.

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I, I still think ATA does a lot
of that in a lot of schools.

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Yeah, right.
So, so the overlap is clearly

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here way more acceptable.
However, then it does boil down

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to as the school, you're getting
everything you get out of a

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teacher whilst paying them
literally half of the wage.

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So, so my again, my only issue
here is it becomes more about

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the pay.
I had two issues at the start,

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which was they're paid
horrendously and they're

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expected to do things outside of
the contracted hours.

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Well, you've got rid of the
contracted hours things.

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That's great.
I I still don't think that, you

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know, pay suddenly solved.
Yeah, I still think that's an

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issue.
What about?

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You you said exactly what I was
thinking in all, in all honesty,

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because I'm just like, I don't
know what I don't know how to

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say it this without like coming
across either rude towards

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teachers or rude towards
Tasmania.

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I find it a weird one, but I'm
like if they are different roles

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and and they're overlapping so
much and the pay is so different

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between them.
Like it just it basically think

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where there's is, is there a
line?

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Like do we clearly need a line
somewhere?

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Because we've, we've established
that teachers are put on this

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particular pedestal and are paid
this much.

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And we're established that TAS
are put on this particular

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pedestal and paid this much for
their role, which means by

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definition, we think they are
different roles.

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Of course, like, and if, if we
pay them so significantly

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different, we obviously think
the expertise involved in

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particular elements of the job
is different.

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Like, OK, a teacher gets paid
this much because they have to

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do this a different thing no one
else has to do.

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But when we merge them
completely, I'm like, what do we

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really think?
And that's what to me, I'm like,

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it just boils down to money.
I'm like, is it like can can we

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just have a school full of HLTAS
then?

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Right.
If we think it's acceptable for

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one HLTA in the school to be
teaching on a full teacher's

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timetable, that's what often
happens.

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By the way, I don't know in this
situation.

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But that's true.
But.

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They've got PPA which would
suggest that they are basically

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spending their whole week
probably teaching from my

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experience of HLTAS.
Yeah.

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But that can.
That can happen either way,

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yeah.
Right, 100% if if that's

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happening with the OK, can we do
that of all of them then?

452
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But if we think that's
completely acceptable and

453
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,280
there's no diminishing returns
there like everything is still

454
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,040
hunky Dory for the school.
OK, replace all the teachers

455
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,800
with H Lt as then.
Yeah, 100%.

456
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:55,680
That's I think clearly the issue
here, which is look, we are

457
00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,080
paying teachers more for a
reason.

458
00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,280
So what is that reason?
So we delve into it.

459
00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,400
There might be a different
things people say because they

460
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,200
have to work extra.
OK, cool.

461
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,280
Maybe that's why you pay them a
bit more.

462
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,400
Sounds as if it's been
streamlined here though, right?

463
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,720
So they work extra outside of
their contract hours called.

464
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,720
Does that equate to the that
alone equate to that huge amount

465
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,120
of extra money?
I don't personally agree with

466
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,040
that.
No, second thing is you can have

467
00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,880
people doing the same amount of
work, the same amount of hours

468
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,520
that are paid differently
because maybe like you said, it

469
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,160
comes down to expertise or
genuinely ability to teach,

470
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,960
right?
And again, this is, I know what

471
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,320
you mean when you can get
worried sometimes that you feel

472
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,080
like you're diminishing your
HRT, etcetera.

473
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,640
But at the end of the day, there
is a reason that there are

474
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,120
teaching qualifications and
teachers get qualified to be

475
00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,920
classroom teachers because they
have met a certain threshold of

476
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,280
qualification status.
Can some people reach that

477
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,800
threshold without going through
the qualification?

478
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,440
Of course they can, but there
has to be some value you in

479
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,000
getting that qualification as
well.

480
00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:51,200
If you're a qualified teacher,
of course you should get paid

481
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,280
more even if you're doing the
same job, right?

482
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,640
So I think we all agree with
that.

483
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,520
But then what comes in, if
that's the what you're going

484
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,400
down the route, you're going
down to justify it.

485
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,960
What comes down then is like,
OK, so you're saying it's

486
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,880
because the teachers are more
qualified in a better position

487
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,400
to do it.
So why then as a school do you

488
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,200
think is acceptable that
sometimes children are taught by

489
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,360
HLT as you are just saying that
you are you by your own

490
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,840
definition.
By the way, you've justified why

491
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,480
teachers get paid more than HLT
as.

492
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,320
You're saying that the quality
of the HLTA will be lower.

493
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,480
So when you get a class who's
just run by HLTA, you as a

494
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,840
school are saying I'm paying
them less because the quality is

495
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,320
less and the qualifications are
less.

496
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,040
But then on the surface, you'll
probably be very much saying

497
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,160
things like, no, it's just that
you're a great H Well, what a

498
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,880
fantastic teacher you are.
You're just as good as the

499
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,320
teacher.
Pay them then.

500
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:35,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

501
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,960
It's a discrepancy in the way
the school are running it and

502
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,520
they're trying to get the same
quality, the same outcomes, the

503
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,240
same work from someone.
They pay thousands of pounds

504
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,120
less a year and something
doesn't add up.

505
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,960
So when you say is it
acceptable, my answer is still

506
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,440
no.
I think you need to bump the pay

507
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,600
up more as well as get the
contract right.

508
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,200
Am I saying this HLTA should be
paid the same as a teacher?

509
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,280
No, because teachers are
expected to do things outside of

510
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,920
the contract hours.
They should be expected to do

511
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,160
more and they've got qualified
teacher status.

512
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,640
Do I think the gulf in pay
should be so so big even with

513
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,920
this protection?
In my opinion, no HLTA should be

514
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,440
paid more not to be equivalent
with a teacher.

515
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,400
I think we all agree that that
would be not acceptable

516
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,680
realistically.
But they should absolutely be

517
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,920
paid more for the job they're
doing, which is much closer to

518
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,280
the role of a teacher.
Yeah, definitely.

519
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,880
I'll finish up with one more
point.

520
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,360
In an ideal world, and I'm very
aware that in reality, budgets

521
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,400
and a lot of other pressures.
We're framed is an ideal world.

522
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,000
We're far from it.
That's like a musical.

523
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000
It is.
We're not in an ideal world.

524
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,520
The HLTA is not paid enough.
The teachers paid, but they're

525
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,640
exploited.
Where's directed time going so?

526
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,520
I think you should, like, write
and record a whole album of

527
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,840
this.
Teaching the musical.

528
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,520
Yeah.
Brilliant.

529
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,840
Well, thanks for making me get
my point.

530
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:06,320
No, no, the mattress.
CEO is here, he's on 500 grand,

531
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,720
that's 54 teaching assistants,
but let's slash them right down

532
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,040
because he needs a pay rise.
Don't you know when the private

533
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,720
sector CEOs are on much more?
Therefore we should just think

534
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,160
that half a mills acceptable or
more.

535
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,920
Very good, very good.
Please stop SO.

536
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,080
Cut the TA, Cut the TA, get them
out the room.

537
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,520
Who cares about what the
children need when I've got much

538
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,120
more room to park my Porsche
because I'm the CEO, Matt of

539
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,000
Academy Trust.
Actually, I've just realised

540
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,560
that the TA is way cheaper than
a teacher TA.

541
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,240
Come over here, won't you?
You can teach this class all

542
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040
week.
I'll guess like you to thinking

543
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,640
that you're doing a service for
kids when really I'm just saving

544
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,800
15 grand and on the head it.
Went down, went downhill, went

545
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,160
downhill.
So yeah, I feel.

546
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,640
Like, we got our point across.
Probably better in song, yeah.

547
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,040
100%.
In all honesty. 100% should do

548
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,160
everything in song.
I I would I would rather just

549
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,280
leave.
Who needs EHCPS when you've got

550
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,240
ISPs now?
They're not legally backed at

551
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,200
all, but they're cheaper than
the cow.

552
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,120
You're on one.
This is good.

553
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,680
This is good.
I mean, you struggle to rhyme.

554
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,120
Yeah, just do nonsense.
Yeah.

555
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,600
Have a have a good point.
Good point.

556
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,880
Good point.
I'll crap any something to run

557
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,160
with now Cow.
Cow, cow and and yeah, no one

558
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,200
knows how expensive cows are, so
you can get away with it.

559
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,480
It's certainly cheaper than one
of them.

560
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,840
Killing a cash cow for the both
of us.

561
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,600
We won't go back there, right?
Let's do another question, shall

562
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,040
we?
It was.

563
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,080
This question too.
Statements in.

564
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,560
This is why we don't get through
your questions.

565
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,680
Here we go.
These are going to get lost in

566
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,200
the Ethernet.
Oh no, no, come on, we can do

567
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:47,920
this, we can do this.
Ready.

568
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,000
Next one.
It is the time of the year where

569
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,000
people are looking for new jobs.
What are your tips for

570
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,480
identifying toxic schools with
big red flags?

571
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,120
Especially when things like A2
centimetre display border policy

572
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,800
won't be listed on the website
for example.

573
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,400
OK, we're good.
We can do this one quickly.

574
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,000
We can do this one quickly.
We've done this before.

575
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,840
But this is the time of the
year, like this person says,

576
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,040
when people are looking for new
jobs.

577
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,080
So let's just go over it really,
really, really quickly.

578
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,480
It is impossible to properly
read the school genuinely on one

579
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,720
walk around.
So can I give you tips on how to

580
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,280
do that 100% accuracy straight
away?

581
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,920
No, it doesn't exist.
However, you can get a really

582
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,680
really good idea of a school
through multiple ways.

583
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,760
Best ways to talk to people who
work there?

584
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,920
Genuinely just talk to them
because I personally feel like

585
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520
you can see through when people
are just saying lines that are,

586
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,280
that are just safe for the
school.

587
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960
Oh yeah, yeah, it's good here.
You 100% ask about the marketing

588
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,640
policy, ask about the sharing
planning policy, ask about

589
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,880
things that will directly impact
your time and what you plough

590
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,000
into this job.
And if you're thinking, oh, it

591
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,040
might make me feel like, it
might make me seem like I'm a

592
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,920
sharker for work.
If they don't work there, if

593
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,040
they think you asking about the
marketing policy, the planning

594
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,800
policy and the directed time
calendar, if they think that's a

595
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320
red flag, you're in a red flag
school.

596
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,400
So that's how I'd identify it.
Then definitely if these basic

597
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,440
questions that I need to
understand rule me out of the

598
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,600
job.
Thank you.

599
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,320
You've done my job for me
because I should be ruling

600
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,880
myself out.
That's it really, isn't it?

601
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,000
All I was going to say was ask
good questions and also to you

602
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,560
were saying sort of speak to the
staff.

603
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,720
It's also an opportunity
normally when you're walking

604
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,480
around to speak to the person
who's showing you around, which

605
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,640
is often a head teacher or
someone higher up in senior

606
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,080
leadership and ask them as well.
And if you get the best of both

607
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,760
worlds is marry up the
responses, what actual teachers

608
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,840
and Tasmania say are on the
school versus what the head

609
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,280
teacher says or whoever it is
walking around.

610
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,400
Yeah, I think that's the best
thing you can do really

611
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,680
genuinely.
It's just it's actually asking

612
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,200
questions.
You had something.

613
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,440
Yeah, so I had I screenshot of
this earlier and funnily enough

614
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,960
I hadn't even seen this
question, but I thought to

615
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,880
myself this is perfect.
And it was anonymous post

616
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,440
online, right?
And I just thought it linked to

617
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,480
it and maybe from this we can
Draw Something that you might

618
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,760
want to ask at school, right, to
help you.

619
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,840
So someone said question other
schools like this.

620
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,120
This person by the way straight
away doing the right thing

621
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,160
talking to other people or other
schools like this first step on

622
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,120
like finding out whether your
school is toxic or not.

623
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,320
Get online, get really into
forums.

624
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,760
There is so much stuff online.
There's so much.

625
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,440
Get into teachgtppodcast.com.
I don't even know if that's the

626
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,920
get.
Into our WhatsApp community,

627
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,000
genuinely, we talk about this
stuff all the time in there.

628
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,120
But yeah, there's lots of
Facebook groups and things as

629
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,640
well.
So for other schools like this,

630
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,640
we had a book look earlier in
the week and some of my

631
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,520
colleagues have been penalised
for not having, as an example,

632
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,640
week 3 science taught in week 3
due to special days.

633
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Well, book day, etcetera.
So basically what this person's

634
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,560
saying is they didn't teach
science in this one particular

635
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,680
week because there was like
things like world book because

636
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,520
they're justified reasons.
Yeah, their, their timetable had

637
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,320
been adjusted by the world like
world book.

638
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,080
They wasn't their choice.
And the school obviously, right.

639
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,280
They said therefore lessons were
even missed or pushed.

640
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,320
The next week.
We get graded like a colour

641
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000
system on on our book looks and
we've been penalised.

642
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,640
I'm just having a breakdown
inside.

643
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,720
I can say you look like you were
like about to melt.

644
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,400
Sorry, I yeah.
Do you need a minute?

645
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,960
I'll carry on.
I'll just, I'll just compose

646
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,960
myself.
We've been penalised and blamed

647
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,720
because things haven't been
taught in a certain week.

648
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560
SLT are the ones who decide we
go off timetables so surely they

649
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,720
should be aware of the impact
that lessons get missed or

650
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600
pushed back.
Why?

651
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,480
So this like felt the need like
they had to put this online.

652
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,600
One thing, I'm sorry, I'm
treating this like very quickly.

653
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Yeah, if anyone does a book look
and gives you a grading feedback

654
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,520
sheet from a book look, run, get
out of that school.

655
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000
We have a colour coded grading
return sheet from because we

656
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,160
didn't do science in week 3.
So what is crazy and it's from,

657
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,960
like you said, it's from this
attentional staff.

658
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,520
This week you will not be able
to teach your afternoon lesson

659
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,560
because we're going to be doing
a reading, a reading task for

660
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,960
World Book Day.
How fun and exciting.

661
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,480
Also handing your science books
so we can see what you did that

662
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,560
day.
Yeah, what's wrong with it's

663
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,520
dense behaviour?
It's stupid.

664
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,040
It's like, why are there so many
idiots in these positions?

665
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Yeah, and they're very quickly
now because we're in a podcast.

666
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,000
I'm not going to click that bit
because that bit will get people

667
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080
saying why do you always say
leaders are so bad and idiots?

668
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
I'm not.
I'm saying that idiotic leaders

669
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,440
are idiots.
There are so many amazing

670
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,880
leaders out there.
And if you listen to what I just

671
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,200
said and you get personally
offended and you're not an idiot

672
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,880
leader, I'm not talking about
you.

673
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,720
And I'm hoping what actually
happens when you hear stuff like

674
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,320
this is not you get all the
defensive like, well, I'm not an

675
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,120
idiot leader.
I know maybe you should be

676
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,960
getting annoyed at the people
who are representing your

677
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,480
profession horrendously.
If I was a leader and I heard

678
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,120
this story, I'd be thinking, oh
for sake, stop being so stupid

679
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,080
please.
It's not helping my reputation

680
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,360
as another leader.
I wouldn't be looking at a

681
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,560
podcast of well, don't say about
it, please.

682
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,760
No, do say about it.
Yeah, scream it from the

683
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,600
rooftops because people need to
know that this is absolutely all

684
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,920
out.
Every single comment on that

685
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,840
below.
And this is like, hadn't even

686
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,720
been up very long.
People are jumping on it being

687
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,680
like, this is mental, this is
such a red flag, this is toxic,

688
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,400
This is absurd.
So yeah, I think there are some

689
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,040
things maybe there's not, maybe
that's too nuanced, I don't

690
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,480
know.
But there are questions you can

691
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720
definitely ask when you're going
around a school that just give

692
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440
you an idea and genuinely a
sense if you've got a bit of

693
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,120
common sense as to whether the
the leader is completely dense,

694
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
genuinely whether there's
anything going on there.

695
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Do you know what I mean?
Like you can, you can, you can

696
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,200
just kind of get a vibe for that
that might.

697
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Assume because they're in a
position of power that they're

698
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,920
suddenly above you in some way.
Like I, It is not true

699
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,920
sometimes.
Sometimes they're there for a

700
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,920
reason.
They're fantastic.

701
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,960
Sometimes they have fallen into
that role.

702
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Yeah, honestly.
And do you know what?

703
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,360
In reality, we all have like, no
one's perfect.

704
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,560
Everyone has, everyone has like
particular skill sets.

705
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,680
So like, it's very reasonable.
It's not even that crazy to to

706
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,600
to have the idea that someone
makes it to a leadership

707
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,280
position because they are
genuinely fantastic in these

708
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,280
three particular areas that
benefit the school massively.

709
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,320
But there's this one other
glaring issue, like in this

710
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,760
case, common sense.
It's common sense, genuinely.

711
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Like you can see how people get
there because they're like, oh,

712
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,160
well, they were really good at
leading, leading staff meetings

713
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,840
and planning English for the
school.

714
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,240
So we yeah.
And they're really passionate

715
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,360
and they give loads of time.
But completely overlooking the

716
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040
fact that they have no people
skills or no ability to use

717
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080
common sense and like.
Which in my opinion comes first.

718
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,640
In a role where your job is to
manage people, surely it's the

719
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,960
most important thing.
But it doesn't, and people do

720
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,800
get to that role.
So yeah, look out for it.

721
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,120
Ask your questions.
Anyway next question, is it

722
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,720
normal as an ECT year 2 to not
be paid the increase pay for

723
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,600
five months even though you have
been notified by cancel the pay

724
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,680
was due to increase School
submitted all over ECT data,

725
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,120
just not mine.
PS I've been passing all my

726
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160
assessments with flying colours.
Just to make clarification here.

727
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280
What we mean is this happened a
lot and I remember my job where

728
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,920
a rise was agreed and it's from
September but I we wouldn't see

729
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,040
that in our pay packets maybe
even till November in December

730
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,160
and it would be backdated
because it takes a while to

731
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,400
process stuff.
Now this person's talking about

732
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,840
5 months.
It's a lot.

733
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680
It's a long time and I think
it's easy to say even honestly

734
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,400
when it happened and we got
backdated in November or

735
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,520
December, I still remember
thinking to myself, oh, but I

736
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,720
can't backdate my bills.
I can't backdate my eating food.

737
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,560
I can't backdate my mortgage.
I do kind of need that money.

738
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,120
And I thought that was honestly
kind of unacceptable even to

739
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,080
have two or three months to
wait.

740
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,280
I always thought it was weird.
It's like it's normal.

741
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,440
So this person asking, is it
normal?

742
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,640
It is kind of weirdly normal for
some reason in schools to have

743
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,720
this.
Not for five months, five

744
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,000
months.
I think it's too far, but some

745
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,560
sort of delay.
Is is normal as far as I'm

746
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,760
aware?
Like I've never not experienced

747
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,480
that or know anyone that doesn't
experience that.

748
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,480
Why it happens though, has
baffled me for my entire career.

749
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,200
When the IT was like a shock in.
It in November.

750
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,240
At no point ever in September is
it decided right now.

751
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,160
We've just now decided we're
going to increase the pace of

752
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,520
this.
It's been decided months before.

753
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,360
So whatever that process is, it
takes three months.

754
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Can you do it three months
earlier please, so that it comes

755
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,200
into play in September?
That would make a lot more

756
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,080
sense, wouldn't it?
Or, you know, even if it does

757
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,640
happen in September.
Oh, can that be the thing you do

758
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,640
first?
Yeah, Yeah.

759
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,440
Why does it take so long?
Can that be the thing you're

760
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,040
doing right now, please?
Sorry.

761
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Hello.
Yeah.

762
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Can you just press that button
and make number go up?

763
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,840
Because I my mortgage number
went up, my bill number went up,

764
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,920
my food shop's gone up, and I
just need my income number to go

765
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,880
up.
I'm just sorry, I'm just going

766
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,120
to share my screen.
Can you look at my screen?

767
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Right?
I'm going to put a number on the

768
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,440
screen right.
You see that number?

769
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,680
This is how quickly I can use a
calculator to times it by 1.05

770
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720
because it went up by 5% ready.
Oh, could you put that new

771
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,720
number in the system?
Thank you.

772
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Oh, by the way, it's just it's
you have to do it individually

773
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,760
for everyone.
Just you just literally have to

774
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,640
do this one time and then it's
done.

775
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,840
Thank you.
Yeah.

776
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,680
I think that'll be 3 months.
I think you should secure

777
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,000
interest on it, Yeah.
In the same way you'd you, why

778
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,760
is it in life you always
negatively accure these things?

779
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,920
Like if there was a debt you
weren't paying off, you'd be

780
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,640
accurring interest over that
time and be like, that's

781
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,120
acceptable because I'm not paid
off on time.

782
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,440
Yeah.
Why is it when it's the other

783
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,240
way around?
Is it never working your

784
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,160
benefits?
Oh, can you accure the interest

785
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,040
on the money I was due, please?
That I would have had and I

786
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,640
could have had on the savings
account for these five months.

787
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,560
No, that's true.
No, that's true.

788
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,000
No, you should.
You should be accured.

789
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Isn't that It's ridiculous?
You should ask them to accrue it

790
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,000
as well.
What?

791
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,280
What did they say?
A cure.

792
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,280
You always do that.
We've had this before where it's

793
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,360
a crew, a crew interest.
I'm an I'm, I'm learning all

794
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,360
right.
I'm learning, I'm learning, I'm

795
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,480
learning, I'm learning.
Oh God.

796
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,480
A crew?
Crew.

797
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,400
What a crew neck word.
I like a cure.

798
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,920
A cure to the teaching plague.
Brilliant.

799
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,240
Brilliant.
That's that's what the sequel is

800
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800
called to the musical, is it?
Yeah, the first ones, all the

801
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
problems.
The second one to cure.

802
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Just quiz, go to a different
school.

803
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Accrue to the teaching plate.
The grass is always greener on

804
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,000
the other side of the fence, so
if your school is bad then you

805
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,200
can just leave right now, yeah.
You didn't run with fence.

806
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,920
You could have gone with dent,
we could have gone OK.

807
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,920
If your head teacher is just a
really big and dense, you could

808
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840
just leave because the grass is
greener on the other side of the

809
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,320
fence.
We're getting there.

810
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Syllables went wrong.
Syllables keep working.

811
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,120
I want you to write.
Write this down and we will

812
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,000
record it.
We'll get this.

813
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,360
We'll get a proper studio.
OK?

814
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,880
Not this.
Not this studio.

815
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,480
OK, if your SLT have parking
that's designated, just think

816
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,720
why on earth are they more
important than you heard?

817
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,440
There you go there.
You go love it, right?

818
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,080
Next question.
Sounds like you don't love it.

819
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,960
I know.
I think it's great.

820
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,360
I think I think you have real
musical talent.

821
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,960
I currently have a set of chicks
in my year six class which we

822
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,520
have reared since eggs, which is
funny.

823
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,720
For some reason I didn't ask for
them and they are a major

824
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,159
distraction for my SAT prep
because every time we get quiet,

825
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,440
Nugget is waking up.
Nugget or Nando's is chirping.

826
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Sir, we have them to half term,
but more than once I've been

827
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,000
tempted to force them on another
teacher.

828
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,960
Am IA grouch.
Yes, a little bit You're a

829
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,960
grouch.
A little bit.

830
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,400
You are redeemed by letting them
call them Nugget and Nando's.

831
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
I suppose, and also I think I
would turn into a bit of a

832
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,800
grouch if I was in year 6 and
had lots of pressure on the SAT

833
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,560
preparation and it was
constantly interrupting.

834
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,320
So, but I think the, the, the,
the root reason I think it's a

835
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,320
bit grouchy is not against this
person in particular.

836
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,080
It's because I think the whole
obsession with SAT's prep makes

837
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,800
me grouchy.
It's like the idea that the idea

838
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,360
that, you know, if you just look
at it objectively in a classroom

839
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,760
full of 10 year olds and there's
some chicks in there, which is

840
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,840
lovely for them and they're
chirping and it's cool, right?

841
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Objectively, if we look at that
and go, I'm trying to teach you

842
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,840
what a passive voice is, yeah,
prob honestly it's it's probably

843
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680
better objectively if we just
let them go and look at the

844
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,160
chicks.
So my problem here is with SATS

845
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,080
Prep, not this person.
I'd be I'd be interested to know

846
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,440
like.
It's deemed listener 20.

847
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,560
Yeah, I'm I'm not from with you.
OK, problem with the system from

848
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,240
the system baby.
And I hate it because it is

849
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,480
grouchy, but I'd also be that
grouch, which is why the system

850
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,240
is awful.
What would make me more grouchy

851
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,400
is if in this school, the people
who have decided to put chicks

852
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,320
in your classroom are also then
really like funny about the Sats

853
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,960
and like have the the highest
bar.

854
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,520
And if they if they have
simultaneous, if they, if their,

855
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,280
if their culture is genuine.
Do you know what guys, it's just

856
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:39,920
the sats.
Yeah, just chill out a bit.

857
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,440
And you're putting that pressure
on yourself.

858
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,440
I'd say, OK, maybe you don't
need to be so grouchy, but I can

859
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,920
understand why be grouchy if the
school are simultaneously giving

860
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,400
you chickens and saying, there
you go.

861
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,040
And and also the Sats results
are the most important thing.

862
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,800
And we're going to be checking
on you every single week to make

863
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,280
sure we're going to get the
right progress to make sure we

864
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,600
get as many kids to expect it as
possible.

865
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,240
They were doing that.
I'd be like, why have you?

866
00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,240
Why have you put chickens in my
room then?

867
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,240
Genuinely sorry.
Have you done a gap analysis SAT

868
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:03,520
paper on the chickens yet?
We need to know if they're

869
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,160
borderline if they're going to
have an intervention group.

870
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,480
Yeah, OK.
It looks like Nando's on the

871
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,600
borderline nugget bit below.
Forget him.

872
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,320
Can't get him to expect it
anyway.

873
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Just leave them alone.
Let's get those borderline

874
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,520
chicks to to expect it.
Because they are the only kids

875
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,760
that matter, apparently.
Apparently.

876
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,320
Sorry chicks, we've never said
that back.

877
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,720
No, no, no, no, no.
We never call out leaders for

878
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,240
objectively picking children
that will just make their

879
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,680
results are better or not
actually just because the

880
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,560
children need help.
Yeah.

881
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,280
No, wouldn't happen.
Not in this country.

882
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,920
Dare to.
What's the bloody passive voice?

883
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Don't care.
Next question, What are the

884
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,480
absolute best top tips for
preparing children for the MTC

885
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,760
multiplication table?
Check.

886
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,160
Well Dylan, you spent majority
of your career in year 4.

887
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,280
I thought this is the best
question.

888
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:51,000
I did, I did #1 make it as low
stakes as possible and I did

889
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,720
that and this is going to sound
counter intuitive, but I did

890
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,320
that by practising at loads.
It became normal.

891
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,480
It didn't, it didn't become this
thing.

892
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,760
Oh, we've got a big test at the
end and we're working towards

893
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,400
this big test and this test
needs to be the, the only thing

894
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,880
that matters is we know our
timetables.

895
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,360
It became a normal part of our
daily routine that we were doing

896
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,040
timetables practise.
And you didn't call it MTC

897
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,320
morning we.
Didn't call it MTC morning.

898
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,840
We didn't call it MTC check.
We didn't do any.

899
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,840
We just did the the.
There's loads of tools online

900
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,480
you can get where you practise
your times tables.

901
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,480
We got the iPad, we had the pad.
But I have a question.

902
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Da da, da, da, da, da.
Practise.

903
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,200
Oh, look a bit up, a bit down.
Doesn't matter.

904
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,880
We're practising.
Oh, Which one did you struggle

905
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,480
with today?
This one.

906
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,520
Let's make a little cue card.
There's your cue card.

907
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Next time it comes up.
We're going to get it right,

908
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,920
aren't we?
Yeah, we did.

909
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,440
Nice one.
Oh, you forgot that one.

910
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,680
Well, there's a cue card for
that one.

911
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,800
Just just turn it into just a
party.

912
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,880
But yeah.
I've lost all my cue cards.

913
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,120
Let's make your new one.
We'll make your new one.

914
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,000
Happened all the time.
I never expected my kids to rub

915
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,480
all the cue cards.
Yeah, but truly.

916
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,960
But yeah, my, my advice is make
it a completely normal part of

917
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,080
your routine.
We were doing it daily in Year

918
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,440
4, you know where we need to
practise.

919
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,840
It wasn't always like practising
on a grid like the MTC looked

920
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,440
like.
In the end, it could be games,

921
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,600
it could be dice games, it could
be hit the button.

922
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,360
We did a lot of, but we also did
a lot of explicit teaching of

923
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,560
times tables.
We did lessons of times table.

924
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,400
We did a whole lesson where we'd
look at the three times table

925
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,440
and we'd make links between what
we knew before and after.

926
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,320
And then when we did the 8 times
table, which was again, all this

927
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,080
is recap in year 4, because you
would have done, you would have

928
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,880
done this previously in year 3.
We'd go over it and then we'd

929
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,440
make links.
And then when it comes to the

930
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,760
six times table, oh, we'd link
it to the three times table.

931
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Yeah.
So my, my overall advice is

932
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,120
basically don't turn it into a
huge thing.

933
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,920
It's not SAT's, it's a
multiplication tables check.

934
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080
All that matters is children
alone in their timetables.

935
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,320
So when you say was I prepping
them for the multiplication

936
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,000
tables check?
No, not really.

937
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,040
What I was doing was teaching
them tables and what it did do

938
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,720
for my practise, which is why I
say on record now I like the MTC

939
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,440
because what it did, was it just
it it put in my mind, but I know

940
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,880
at the end of year 4 we're just
going to check it.

941
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,680
Yeah, it put that in my mind.
So did it change how often I did

942
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,760
times tables?
No.

943
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,800
But did it focus me a bit more
on really plugging gaps of

944
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,160
children and helping them?
Honestly, probably yes.

945
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,840
Yeah, yeah.
And and you know, when the

946
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,120
results came at the end, we did
not make a thing of it

947
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,800
whatsoever.
We didn't go to the children

948
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,240
like, wow, you got 17.
Wow, your average was 13.

949
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,800
Isn't that, you know, if we
wanted to, for an individual

950
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,920
trial, we would was not made-up
a big thing.

951
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,840
It was simply there to pass on
to Tier 5 to say, here's the

952
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,600
data.
These children all got full

953
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,960
marks.
These children are in the middle

954
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,280
somewhere.
These children are really

955
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,360
behind.
Yeah, that's fair enough.

956
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,640
I was.
My next question was gonna be do

957
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,600
you like it?
But you said you do.

958
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,520
I, I always thought it was OK,
the MTC like you said, I think

959
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,080
regardless of your personal
experience as well, I do think

960
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,680
the existence of the
multiplication time tables check

961
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,120
is just going to be a net
positive in terms of how many

962
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,960
teachers now remember to do
timetables more often.

963
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Like I, I do think there are
some people that might not be in

964
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160
your position who actually would
say, Oh no, the fact that it

965
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
existed legitimately did make me
do it more like, and I should

966
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,720
have been doing it more in the
first place.

967
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,280
And this has made me do that now
because it is better to do to,

968
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,360
to be doing it more.
It's a really important part of

969
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,800
maths to get right.
So.

970
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,560
I think it highlights, you know,
when we talk about the Sats and

971
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,440
the problems with the sats.
I think it highlights when we

972
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,960
always say we, neither of us
have a problem with assessing

973
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,800
children.
We do it all the time.

974
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,120
That's what good teaching is,
actually.

975
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Yeah, of course.
You choose the right time to

976
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,240
assess your children.
And you see where the gaps are

977
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,440
and you plug gaps and you help
them.

978
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:17,760
Yeah, that's how you make
progress.

979
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,480
There's nothing wrong with
assessing children.

980
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,280
The problem with SAT is it's
become such a high bar of

981
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,520
expectation for the school and
it's how the school are judged.

982
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,480
Everything around it has made
that toxic and bad for the

983
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,360
children.
Yeah, the NTC doesn't have that.

984
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,040
No, it it, it doesn't have that.
Yeah.

985
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,600
And I, I personally don't think
it does.

986
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,880
And there was never any pressure
from me from the top down.

987
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,760
It was just, they exist and
we'll see how they, how they get

988
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,520
on it to me was a good version
of an assessment.

989
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,640
And it stayed that way and it
helped me.

990
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,280
Yeah, it was.
It was literally like a kind of

991
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,880
gap analysis that you just do
with your class anyway.

992
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,200
True.
And it turned into, like I said,

993
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,840
we did mini MTCS throughout the
year where we would replicate it

994
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,760
and we'd do it and I'd
personally see where they were

995
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,520
and I'd see if they've improved.
But more importantly, what I

996
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,640
really did was know where the
children were in their journey

997
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,480
of times tables and give them
some practise every day.

998
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's really what made the.

999
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,920
Progress what are you doing
informally your own versions of

1000
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,960
multiplication table cheques
before MTC anyway like were you

1001
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,120
basic grades and stuff like were
you ever checking what kids can

1002
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,880
do in times table before of
course you were like this is

1003
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,760
just it's just slightly more
formalised but not in about

1004
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,040
negative way yeah, I think that
as well.

1005
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,040
I'm sure people, some people
disagree.

1006
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,840
I'm sure there's.
There's one issue I have, one

1007
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400
tiny issue I had with the MTC
and I understand.

1008
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,720
I understand why they did this.
And again, I'm not saying it

1009
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,560
should definitely go.
I wonder what you think of

1010
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,480
someone a bit higher up be
interested in who did a lot of

1011
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,920
their a lot of their teaching in
year 6.

1012
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,560
I, I had every year pretty much.
I had the children who were less

1013
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,120
successful with maths, maybe
less enthusiastic about maths.

1014
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,720
And a big part of my job was
trying to turn that around and

1015
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,640
plug all those foundational gaps
and make them like maths.

1016
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,840
And I loved it.
I loved that journey.

1017
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,280
And they would, they would what
I would be explicitly teaching

1018
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:02,080
the children is sure our aim is
to learn times tables by rote.

1019
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,760
Our job is to try and learn 2 *
3 is 6 and you're not thinking

1020
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,720
about it. 3 * 4 is 12.
And you just know that that's

1021
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,480
obviously the end goal.
But a huge thing I drilled into

1022
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,600
my children was that, but if you
don't remember it, what

1023
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680
strategies do we have to work it
out?

1024
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
So, so we, we, we taught
strategies to work out times

1025
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,160
tables as simple as counting up.
So if you, if you didn't know 3

1026
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,200
* 7 of the back of your hand, we
would be, we would have

1027
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,400
practised counting and threes
loads and I'd say, OK, counting

1028
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,720
your threes and they'd go, OK,
36912151821 and I'd go, yeah, so

1029
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,400
you can work out.
You don't know it by rote.

1030
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,480
You don't know 3 * 7.
Boom, 21.

1031
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,920
But the more you sit and do this
and make that link with 21 and

1032
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,160
work out and count, the better.
Do you know what 3 * 5 is?

1033
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,520
I know that's 15.
Cool.

1034
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,400
Start there.
Yeah, yeah. 15/18/21.

1035
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,920
So you're building, you're
building your building.

1036
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,880
And my class very, very often
would be somewhere in that

1037
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,920
journey where they weren't quite
at that rote learning level of

1038
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,960
just knowing facts, but they
were definitely on the way of

1039
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,280
for most of them, they could
work them out somehow.

1040
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,120
And the MTC has a six second cut
off.

1041
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,440
So where I found it slightly
less useful, sometimes it's just

1042
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,080
a straight up bit of data, was
some children in my class out of

1043
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,480
25 might get 6, right.
And you might look at that as a

1044
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,840
teacher maybe in Year 5 and go,
oh, wow, they don't know most of

1045
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,680
their times tables.
And what I would say to that

1046
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,120
person is, OK, sure, in terms of
rote recall, that's true.

1047
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,360
And that's what it shows you.
Yeah.

1048
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,280
However, there is a huge
difference between a child who

1049
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,240
got 6 but with literally four
more seconds could have got 20,

1050
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,360
and a child who got 6 and with
five more minutes still would

1051
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,400
have got 6.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1052
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,240
Definitely.
But on the MTC they both come up

1053
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,960
as a six.
So it really does have its

1054
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,960
drawbacks.
And another questions about how

1055
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,840
to prep.
I would say don't let it get

1056
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,800
into your head that the children
are failing if they've not met

1057
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,800
the threshold of it looking good
on the MTC score.

1058
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160
There is a lot of progress
points beforehand which won't

1059
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,000
necessarily be shown by that
data point in the MTC, which

1060
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,880
still means you're making really
good progress with the kids.

1061
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,080
So that's where it has a danger
of becoming a negative is when

1062
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,000
the outcomes are simplified and
the results are simplified

1063
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,760
because.
So much work went into my class

1064
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,040
and there were still children
who were getting 10 out of 25.

1065
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But if they got 10 out of 25

1066
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,920
three months before you know
that they have made some

1067
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,920
progress in terms of that
completely their ability to to

1068
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,240
maybe start thinking about
working out those strategies to

1069
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,120
work.
Out but the test.

1070
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,800
Doesn't have that nuance of no,
of course.

1071
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,160
So yeah, it's good.
I, I agree.

1072
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,800
It doesn't mean it's a bad test.
It just means you need to know

1073
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,640
that.
Yeah, exactly that I, I really

1074
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,480
like, by the way, you know, you
get that example of, oh, you

1075
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,920
don't know 3 * 7, but you know,
3 * 5.

1076
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,520
Yeah, well, you know, 5 * 3.
How are they?

1077
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,120
You know, how are they?
Think about it in their mind,

1078
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
can you work from there?
That for me, like is one of my

1079
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,240
favourite things to do with kids
is like allow them to self

1080
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,280
realise, like how to use known
facts to find out other things.

1081
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,240
Even even if any 6 happens a lot
like that, you know, even with

1082
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,320
the times table, it might be,
oh, I don't, I don't know, I

1083
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,560
don't know to the 12 times
table.

1084
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,560
So I'm like, you know, since 12
* 7 or whatever.

1085
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,400
And I'll just say what's, what's
10 * 7?

1086
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,320
I go 70.
I'm like, and I, I find that I

1087
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,880
just stopped there because 90%
of the time they, they go, Oh,

1088
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,440
wait, that's a, that's a, that's
relevant, that's relevant.

1089
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,840
And then they work it out.
And I love, I just, I love those

1090
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,160
little moments of the, of
children realising they can,

1091
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,120
they can just think outside the
box a little bit of like, it's

1092
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,640
not just I do know it or I don't
know it and there's more to it,

1093
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,800
you know, I.
Love that.

1094
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,320
And that's good teaching.
And that's where tests are

1095
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,360
limited and you have to trust
and you have to have really good

1096
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,960
training for your teachers and
you have to give them these

1097
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,880
tools to teach kids properly.
And, and it's very similar if

1098
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,720
you go back really, really,
really early as well to, you

1099
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:43,360
know, something like 3 + 4.
There'll be a lot of children

1100
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,320
who need to get 3 beads, get 4
beads, count 3 beads.

1101
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Yep. 123-4567, Yep.
And there'll be children who are

1102
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,640
at the next level, They'll go
three.

1103
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,960
They already know that's three.
I've got three.

1104
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,840
I'm gonna start at 34567.
And then there'll be children

1105
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,360
who start counting on without
the need of beads.

1106
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,840
And then there'll be children
who start doing mentally.

1107
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,880
And then there'll be children
who just know 3 + 4 is.

1108
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,760
Sabotage as well.
Yeah, exactly.

1109
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,760
There's so many small steps and
if you just put in front of a

1110
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,760
child 3 + 4 and they don't get
it in five seconds, you have no

1111
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,320
idea where they're on that
journey, but they are definitely

1112
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,960
on that journey.
And they could be 3 steps on

1113
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,360
from the last time you asked
them 3 + 4 and they also didn't

1114
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,320
get it right.
So there's just nuance to it.

1115
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,320
And I think you know when the
question is, how do I prepare

1116
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,960
for the MTC?
You go, OK, OK, really.

1117
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,840
My, my, my goal is to prepare
them to know their times tables

1118
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,840
and that can be a long journey.
The MTC is a way of checking the

1119
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,160
end goal.
It doesn't mean that what you're

1120
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,440
doing in the class to prep them
for timetable knowledge is not

1121
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,000
having an effect just because
the MTC doesn't move as much as

1122
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:49,600
you think.
It might, yeah.

1123
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Yeah, definitely your analogy
there of like early maths, you

1124
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,080
know, like those those little
tiny, tiny sub granular stages

1125
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,720
of learning how to do 3 + 4.
It's a really good example of

1126
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,680
why I've consistent and so
review on this podcast said that

1127
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,000
it's harder the lower you go
down.

1128
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,800
Like you need like your most
qualified, best experienced

1129
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,040
teachers genuinely, because
there's so much depth to how to

1130
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,760
be a really good teacher when it
comes to year one.

1131
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,040
Like not saying you don't have
to be a good teacher for other

1132
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,000
years, but there's just there's
just so much more to it.

1133
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,800
Go to EYFS, we said before, you
know, do we need more training?

1134
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,240
Are you suitably qualified as
with QTS?

1135
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,040
We've sort of came to the
agreement that actually not, not

1136
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,600
really, not as much as other
year group because there's loads

1137
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,960
to it and it's fascinating,
genuinely.

1138
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,320
That's why we love Mouse.
Yeah, 100.

1139
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,920
Percent, 100%, absolutely love
it.

1140
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,360
I think it's fascinating.
It's the foundational blocks as

1141
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,800
well.
You've got to get it right

1142
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:39,800
because I think you can
superficially do it.

1143
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,600
And I think a lot of the time
our children are getting that

1144
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,560
superficial understanding
because we move them too

1145
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,560
quickly.
Those, those seem like smaller,

1146
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,560
what I just said seem like tiny,
tiny steps.

1147
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,840
And they are tiny steps.
But to a four year old, they are

1148
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,520
massive.
They are huge.

1149
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,880
And if we spend longer on them
when they're younger, I think it

1150
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,560
means that we can accelerate
later.

1151
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,920
And we're so obsessed with
getting to a certain point as

1152
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,800
soon as possible.
Chill out, definitely let our

1153
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,160
kids chill out a bit and give
them a real proper foundation

1154
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,200
understanding they can finish
year 2 and just no number up to

1155
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,800
100 really, really well don't
need to know what a fraction is.

1156
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:18,720
I don't, I, I genuinely believe
that.

1157
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,680
Like me too.
I, I, I think you can strip it

1158
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,200
back massively until they're
literally 7.

1159
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,480
Most, most country.
Well, not most countries.

1160
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,440
Some countries don't start
school till 7 and they're just

1161
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,120
fine.
So just use those formative

1162
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,400
years to explore and love
stories.

1163
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Yeah, read stories and enjoy
things.

1164
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Don't do it.
Don't do an in depth six week

1165
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,760
unit about the fire of London.
Read a story about it.

1166
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,520
That's interesting and cool,
isn't it?

1167
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Yeah, awesome.
Let's read.

1168
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,880
Let's read a story about a
river.

1169
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,280
I hate rivers, but but there's
so many cool stuff.

1170
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Just embed everything in
storytelling and have really

1171
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,160
good number sense and and play.
Yeah, I agree.

1172
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Do that until you're 7 in our in
our system and have experts with

1173
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,240
the children guiding them along.
The way I would.

1174
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:02,640
I would much rather have an 8
year old to teach right who had

1175
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,760
no conceptual understanding of
fractions, but an insanely deep

1176
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,560
knowledge of numbers up to 100
and all of those, none of those

1177
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,120
steps have been missed.
Not like, you know, in year 6.

1178
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,240
I have a lot of children over
the years who I could say

1179
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,000
generally by year six are at any
of those stages of adding 3 + 4.

1180
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,800
Still, There are still some
children in year 6 who go 123

1181
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,800
and then and then count on not
because they can't, they just

1182
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,440
simply they can get the answer.
So they've got through the test

1183
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,400
year after year after year and
they know it's never really been

1184
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,320
explored with that particular
child that they could, there's

1185
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,480
more ways to do this.
I'd rather have an 8 year old

1186
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,920
who doesn't know fractions who
could do that, and I have to

1187
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,240
then teach them fractions when
they're eight than have an 8

1188
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,960
year old with a bit of
superficial understanding.

1189
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,760
They can maybe just scrape
through a test and hit an

1190
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,520
expected bar by the end of year
2IN number, but they don't

1191
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,960
really have a deep understanding
of number.

1192
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,600
They can just get the questions
right in a quick enough time to

1193
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,680
pass and also have a bit of a
superficial understanding of

1194
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,520
fractions.
I I'll take the first one please

1195
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,040
where they don't understand
fractions at all like.

1196
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,320
Yeah, 100%.
So.

1197
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,560
So not necessarily.
We're obsessed with it.

1198
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,920
We're obsessed, you know, Right.
Last question, what's your view

1199
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,080
on teachers paying for supplies?
I seem to regularly have to fork

1200
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,320
out for pencils and blue tack
because the alternative is that

1201
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,680
I go without.
As they bloody should, honestly.

1202
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,080
Teachers, all this holiday, all
this pay.

1203
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,760
You're going to look forward to
Wednesday's episode when we go

1204
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,680
through the ultimate versions of
why people hate teachers and

1205
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,120
just completely.
Good hook, right?

1206
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,920
So listen to that one.
Obviously, I don't know, not

1207
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,280
much to say about this.
Like I feel like a unanimous

1208
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,520
answer.
Anyone listening is obviously

1209
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,280
thinking teachers shouldn't be
paying for supplies.

1210
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,480
It's ridiculous.
But OK, fine, great.

1211
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,440
Oh, they shouldn't this person.
The other option is they they

1212
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,280
don't have it in their class.
Like do you actually?

1213
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Is your advice genuinely to this
person?

1214
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,960
OK, don't have pencils in and
see how far you go.

1215
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,040
Yeah.
I'd be, I would be that

1216
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,600
spiteful.
It's not even spiteful, is it?

1217
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,320
I would be that stubborn.
Stubborn.

1218
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,880
I would be that stubborn.
Genuinely, I would say.

1219
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,040
Oh, but you're letting the kids
down.

1220
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,240
OK, do you know what?
Funnily enough, funnily enough,

1221
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,520
I actually probably could get
exactly what we need to get out

1222
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,720
of them without even opening a
book.

1223
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Genuinely, if we actually just
did lessons through talk and

1224
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
play and genuinely, I'll get the
same outcomes.

1225
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,880
It's not my obsession with
needing everything written down

1226
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,200
in a book that is the problem.
So actually, if you don't give

1227
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,840
me pencils, cool, crack on.
And, and if you've got a problem

1228
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,760
with it, whoever it is, is
telling me that I they have a

1229
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,160
problem with my lack of pencils
and books, give me pencils and

1230
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,280
I'm not buying them.
Yeah, yeah.

1231
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,000
That's not that's not my job or
role.

1232
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,320
And as a trained teacher,
they're not.

1233
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,400
I don't even think they're
important.

1234
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,680
It's not your responsibility.
No.

1235
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,240
So yeah, I would be very, very
stubborn in that situation and

1236
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,080
say I'm not forking out my
pencils and blue, especially

1237
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,160
blue tack, because blue tack
objectively really is probably

1238
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,720
for displays.
So I ain't doing them anyway.

1239
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,360
Think up on the wall.
Yeah, I don't think so.

1240
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,800
I'd be jumping straight on the
bandwagon on that one of them.

1241
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,960
Oh, I can't do them because
there's no, there's no blue tack

1242
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,400
in the school, no way I'm
buying.

1243
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,880
Them I'd be there going I can't
do them because it's in the

1244
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,040
appendix of list of items that
teachers should not be expected

1245
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,440
to do that we still ignore.
Stop ignoring it.

1246
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,640
Oh, I've got to do displays.
No, you don't.

1247
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,640
You don't.
Oh, but they say I do They're

1248
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120
wrong.
You don't have to do them.

1249
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Stop doing them.
Yeah, there you go.

1250
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,720
I'll see you on Wednesday.
Well, what could be said?

1251
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,160
See, I hope you enjoyed that.
That was a that.

1252
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,760
Was a wild ride.
Is there anything they should do

1253
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,400
before they leave?
All right, we're going back.

1254
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,480
Anything they should do.
Well, the people.

1255
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,440
The people.
Listening, I thought you meant

1256
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,520
the people.
Before they need their school

1257
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,600
because they want to do this
way, no?

1258
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,360
No, no, no, not not the not the
pension.

1259
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,280
You're the number one thing that
genuinely helps us out massively

1260
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,320
is what sharing the episode with
people like.

1261
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,280
Like I know we asked for
reviews, which you can still do.

1262
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,640
I know we ask for you know,
following which you can still do

1263
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,680
because you won't miss an
episode.

1264
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Then put the bell on as well.
You get notification every

1265
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,560
Monday, every Wednesday, Monday.
I think you and a Wednesday are

1266
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,240
deep dive into something, but
genuinely like whack it in your

1267
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,000
teacher WhatsApp group.
If you've got to this point,

1268
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:36,120
whack this episode in your
teacher podcast group.

1269
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,760
Hopefully you've enjoyed it and
you can say this is great.

1270
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,120
If you've hated it, you can say
this is awful.

1271
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,120
Listen to this.
I mean, an extra 10 lessons for

1272
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:42,880
hate lessons.
That's fine.

1273
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,440
But yeah, put it in your
WhatsApp teacher group, put it

1274
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,880
somewhere, put it in a forum.
Share this podcast if you enjoy

1275
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,040
it.
And you've got to this, if

1276
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,800
you've got to this point, you
clearly thanks like you do like

1277
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:54,520
it.
I hope so.

1278
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,040
They do.
I hope so.

1279
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,400
Probably turned off now.
Yeah, yeah.

1280
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Imagine it's a real.
Yeah, yeah, imagine it's a

1281
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,480
really good real.
You like Instagram and you just,

1282
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:03,800
you share with your mates 'cause
it's funny.

1283
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:04,480
Exactly.
Do that.

1284
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,240
It's just an hour podcast and
it's not on Instagram and you

1285
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,720
have to manually do it and send
it to your friends.

1286
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:09,040
Just do that instead.
The same thing.

1287
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Same thing.
Right.

1288
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,280
Anyway, enough of the
grovelling.

1289
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,440
Let's go.
See you next time.