Ep 189: Q&A: ECTs Leading Subjects, Best Teacher Moments & Phones In The Classroom

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach It

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden, and we are here on April
Fools Day.

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April Fools, by the way.
No, it's released, obviously.

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No 'cause that's not how it
works.

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They peek behind the curtain.
Wow.

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They record it quite early.
Don't.

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Who would have thought?
I can't believe they record it

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on the day that I listened to it
at 2:00 AM.

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Why did we land on 2:00 AM for
release time?

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I don't know but it could be 3.
Could be 3:00 AM.

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No, no, we missed that cut off
someone in like Australia?

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Yep, listens to it on the dot.
If you're in Australia, can you

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let me know what time it gets
released where you are?

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I could just go and Google it.
Yeah, I'd rather forget I had

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this conversation and get a
random.

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Message from Australia yeah,
from all of our you know, from

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any any of the countries that
you listen to we have global

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listeners so all right you know
like for every single country

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hundreds of people from every.
Country in the country,

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Australia, that one, we've got
some from there, that's for

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sure.
Yeah, I went to the one that you

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already did.
Yeah.

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So anyway, April Fool's Day.
Bhutan this morning, listening

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from Bhutan.
That's good, yeah.

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Well, and you're like flexing, I
know countries.

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Yeah, I do.
That's what you're doing.

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What's that?
Cote d'Ivoire?

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I say it the correct way.
Yeah, I bet you say Ivory Coast,

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don't you?
Yep, anyway.

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Makes you think you got me this
morning.

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I have to say I have to admit
this.

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On the on the podcast you did a
stupid freaking April Fools post

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on Instagram.
Context.

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Swipe for #4.
Literally right context.

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Didn't realise it was April
first today till after I saw

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that.
I was like.

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Ah, does tend to be the way
April Fools goes.

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Yeah, yeah.
I know, but I didn't even, I

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didn't even have April Fools in
my head is my point.

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I just thought, oh, Dylan's
posted on it and the whole time,

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right?
So I swiped on it once.

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Do you want to give any context
as to what it is?

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Well, it's just you putting a
post up saying swipe to go to

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the 4th 1:00 because it's really
funny but.

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It was.
So I'll tell you what it is

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because you've given absolute no
context for anyone who doesn't

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know what you're talking about.
It's a post of me saying my

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favourite April Fools pranks
that I played in my class.

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Oh yeah.
And then a little thing

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underneath saying swipe no #4
was the best.

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And at the bottom, underneath
the picture has those dots, you

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know, those dots you get when
you do a carousel so you know,

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to swipe.
News flash, it's just a picture.

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Just a picture.
Clever.

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No one's ever done that got me
though, got me though, And

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here's the here's The funny
thing that exposes me even more.

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The reason I couldn't remember
the context is because even

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though I read best April fools
things, I still didn't clock on.

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But it was April the 1st when I
was looking at that.

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So I swiped on it went went to
Rios.

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I was like, oh, that's weird.
And and the whole time I was

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thinking, God, Dylan's such a
click baity now.

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So click baity.
But it all goes to the 4th 1.

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I know why he's done that.
It's to make people swipe

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through all of them to get
engagement out.

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So there's me like slagging you
off in my head, right.

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And I go back to the post and
say Connor, what's he actually

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got on the 4th 1?
I do want to know though.

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Wiped it again and I was like
sake, he's done me hard.

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Like, so yeah, the best bit was
that it's half your account and

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you're still just like, I don't
know what you feel about.

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I know.
Look, we know there's no

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disguises here.
We know that you do all the

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social media stuff.
You'd like to remind the viewers

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all the time that I do nothing
at all.

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Just.
Because I know that it's

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actually a podcast, Hayden, and
some people just listen.

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Well, I know the stats are more
than 50% of people actually

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watch it.
So I like to, I like to call it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Screen time.

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Screen time.
Honestly, it makes you wonder,

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isn't it?
Should we, should we start some

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questions?
All right.

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If you're enjoying half term, by
the way, I'm glad.

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Wow, that was good.
That's staying in the benefit of

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me having editorial power.
You know, you might you might

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slag me off about not your
social media, but I can keep

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that in so.
I'm glad, I am glad, I hope it

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stays in there.
Hope you're having a nice time

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despite the dip that it gives us
in our place.

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Because people are out of kilter
and not in their routine anymore

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and don't listen to it on the
way to work.

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It's fine.
It's not like I resent it at

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all.
Definitely not why we're only

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doing 1 episode this week.
That's a question I'm looking

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for some advice.
I'm an avid silent listener but

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have plucked up the courage to
write in.

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Don't worry, even though I'm a
silent listener, I have given

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you a 5 star review.
A winky emoji.

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It's what we like to hear.
They could do it right now.

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They.
Could share this episode.

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Well, they would have done it.
That doesn't work.

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I mean they as in everyone.
Listener No, you meant they as

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in this person.
They've already done it.

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So stupid.
Basic comprehension gone.

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I'm an ECT one in a school in
the very difficult area.

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I'm shadowing the RE subject
leader but it feels like I'm

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essentially leading it myself.
I've been offered no support

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really and completing tasks just
given a list of things I need to

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do including high school
communication to parents,

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newsletters, risk assessments,
trips and visits etc.

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It is making me feel incompetent
because I cannot fulfil the role

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but I have no idea what I'm
doing.

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I'm shadowing a member of SLT by
the way, not another class based

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teacher.
Do you have any advice for what

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I can do going forward?
It's adding an increase of

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stress to my workload which I am
already finding difficult as an

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ECT.
Just trying to find my way.

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Love the podcast guys, thumbs
up.

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I was sort of smirking that,
like smirking kind of in a mean

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way really, because I was
thinking, welcome to teaching.

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Welcome to teaching.
Honestly, this isn't even

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uncommon.
Welcome to.

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Teaching in some schools.
Yeah, but it but I'll stand.

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Well, I said it's not uncommon.
Like I was reading that thinking

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they're probably hoping I'd say,
Oh yeah, like this is such an

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anomaly.
Like, oh, this doesn't happen.

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You know, there's something we
can do about this.

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This is not right.
Yeah, it's not right.

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But it does happen all the time.
I just feel like we've, when we

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talk about subject leadership in
general, the amount of times

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we've mentioned the fact that
90% of the time people are just,

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they just have a subject chucked
on in primary schools we're

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talking about here.
We're just like, Oh yeah, you

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just got to do this.
Yeah, but even if it's not in

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primary schools or in secondary
schools, no matter what, there's

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all even further from the point
this is an ECT.

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They're at the very start of
their career.

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It's a joke.
Like, yeah, I've got, OK, at

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some point in your career, you
may get to the point where

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you've got on top of your
workload.

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Like the CCT mentions here.
They're already trying to find a

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way to get through the job,
which is already hard enough for

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an ECT to do.
We're already lumping them on

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with this.
And by the way, why?

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Why in teaching do we seem to
have this really weird

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understanding of what the word
shadow actually means?

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You're not.
You're not shadowing anyone.

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The only shadows that they're
leaving behind is when they walk

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out the door, leaving you to do
all the work.

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There's no there's no shadowing
going on here.

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Yeah.
Hayden, can you just shadow me

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for a second by doing every
single part of this job?

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Yeah.
Are you going to go home?

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No, I'm I'm not going to do it.
You're shadowing me, mate.

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You've got to learn how to do
it, haven't you?

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So here's the list.
I'm off because I've got forms

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to fill.
Right.

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How am I going to learn how to
do it if no one's showing?

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Me La La La La shadowing,
shadowing.

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If I just say it's shadowing,
get on with it.

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If I just say it's shadowing, I
don't have to pay you ATLR at

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all and I can just get to it.
Absolutely.

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Yeah, there's so many bits to
unpack, isn't there?

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Yeah.
The fact that, yeah, literally

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the fact that it's an ECT.
Like, come on, like they already

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are.
They need time to get to grips

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with the job.
The fact that it's not really

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shadowing is, is ridiculous.
The fact that there's typically

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no pay, and it's clearly in this
situation, there's just no pay

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that comes with these additional
responsibilities and burdens.

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So that's why I was thinking,
yeah, welcome to teaching.

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Because I just feel like we
like, as a teacher podcast, we

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hear this sort of stuff all the
time, like people writing in

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with similar things where we're
like, Oh my God, why is this

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normal?
Why is this systemic?

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So advice in terms of like
actual advice for you going

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forward, there's a couple of
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One part of it is what we've
kind of said before, which is

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just like, do you know what?
Actually, quite a lot of the

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time you are just going to find
that this is unfortunately quite

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normal that you're thrusted,
that these extra, extra

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responsibilities are thrusted
upon you.

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But I, I do think there are,
there are definitely things you

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can do on your own to advocate
for yourself.

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Because I think what people need
to remember is even as an ECT.

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And this is hard to do.
And, and even going back to what

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you said at the start about
being an avid silent listener,

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but plucking up the courage to
write in we're not even scary.

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And it still took this person a
bit of courage to write in the

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question, right.
So I can imagine that what I'm

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about to say to you doesn't,
doesn't, isn't the kind of thing

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you want to hear.
However, that courage needs to

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be plucked up even further in
order to advocate for yourself

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and just have clear boundaries
and say no because you're well

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within your rights, in my
opinion, to say, look, I'm happy

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to actually shadow you, but in
order for me to be to shadow you

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effectively, I need to see you
do the job.

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That's what shadowing is.
I watched you actually do it and

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I'm in your shadow looking and
learning.

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It's not shadowing if you just
tell me to do the thing that's

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just given me the job and
pretending that you haven't.

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If you're not blocking the sun,
am I really learning?

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That's what I'd say.
I'd take it deeper.

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Yours isn't helpful.
Yeah, I agree.

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When you were saying that, I was
thinking, my point here is going

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to be you have to pluck up the
courage and advocate for

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yourself a little bit, and you
can do it politely.

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We said it a lot on this
podcast.

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Sometimes we get into our little
echo Chamber of like, yeah,

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we're gonna say all this and be
really aggressive and just say

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this is what we want and demand
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There is also a middle ground
where you can just very politely

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and reasonably say, oh, I'm
struggling for this reason and

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this reason.
I'd appreciate this.

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It would help me on my
development as a, as a teacher

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and my journey in this school.
I'm really looking forward to

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developing this further and
becoming a huge part of this

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community in school.
But right now I feel like I'm,

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I'm not fulfilling that.
You can do it in a way where

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it's like it's not that
confrontational and they and

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they might even appreciate it.
I think in a, in a lot of cases,

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people just forget what it's
like to be an ECT.

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Sometimes people just think, oh,
that'll be fine.

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They'll crack on because I'd be
fine cracking on forgetting that

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you've got 10 years under your
belt where your workload's

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massively changed.
This person's not in that same

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boat.
I'm not saying everyone is that.

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Naive.
I don't think that's acceptable

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though.
Like honestly what you just

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said, like Oh yeah, some people
just forget what it's like to be

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an ECT.
No, they don't.

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They just have selective memory.
I don't forget what it was like

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to be an ECT.
And I've done it for 10 years.

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So if someone else has done it
for 10 years and comes out and

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says, oh, I just forgot what it
was, I'm sorry.

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No, you didn't.
You're chancing your arm and

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you're pushing your luck.
And it's nonsense to say that

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you just forget.
It's bollocks.

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It gives people a get out of
gaol free card.

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And it pisses me off because you
don't just forget.

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You do not forget.
If you're outside of the

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classroom for 456789 years,
obviously you're further away as

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a company.
We'll do a question later on

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about this.
Actually, you're further away

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from the actual role itself.
But if you just say, oh, I just

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forget what it's like, it's just
like, no, you're giving yourself

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you're, you're, you're forgiving
yourself for something that I

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don't think is acceptable.
If you're in a leadership

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position, part of your job is
remembering what it's like.

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Part of your job is supporting
the ECT and not just being able

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to wash your hands and say well
I'm done it in a while So what

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was me I forgot sorry it's not
acceptable.

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So it's nonsense.
I wasn't really saying that

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though in terms of like, I'm not
saying I'm not.

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The whole time ago.
Why is it getting?

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No, no, no.
I'm not, I'm not only people who

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give passes to other people by
just saying, Oh well, they

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haven't done it in a while.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot what it

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was like.
No, you didn't.

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Yeah, sure.
It's not.

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It's not even about giving
passes.

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What I'm trying to say is I just
think there is a spectrum.

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I think, I don't think everyone,
I think it's easy to interpret

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what we're saying sometimes as
yes, the evil people above have

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done this all on purpose.
And sometimes they are also just

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being a bit naive.
It's not that they've forgotten

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that how, what, what it's like
that is what you said.

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OK, fine, I'm rephrasing it now.
It's that they're just, they're

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not thinking about it, that it's
not coming into their mind when

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it should and it's not it's not
forgivable.

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I understand that there are some
people who are toxic and they

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actively go, I know this is
going to be too much, but I just

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don't care.
And I think there are some

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people who just don't really
think about it and they just

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think, well, I'll be all right
in that situation, they'll be OK

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then crack on, blah, blah, blah.
Maybe they even have different

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intentions.
It doesn't work out.

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What I'm saying is there's a
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sometimes having a conversation
with the person that I just

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described might actually be
easier and less confrontational

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than maybe having a conversation
with the one who's actually

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toxic.
So you've just got to be aware

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of the fact that people are
different, I think.

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Yeah, it depends what you mean
by actually toxic as well.

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I think you can be toxic in a
passive way and it sounds like

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you're forgiving that a bit more
than in a non passive.

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Way I'm not forgiving it.
I'm saying it's easier to to

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have a conversation with that
person because.

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Sure, but but even when that
person like, so let's say, let's

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say that happens and this person
does that.

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Yeah.
And the leader turns around and

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says, oh God, sorry, I forgot
what it was like to be an ECT.

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Very, very sorry.
However, do you still need this

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work done?
Like it's not going to change

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that, is it?
No.

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So at the end of the day, they
only went down the road of this

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person shadowing and doing all
the work because they felt like

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it was giving them less work and
they could just, they could do

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that.
Whether it's passive or not.

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To me, it's just like, it's
beside of the point.

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This person's chancing their arm
and yes, you should put but like

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do that and mention it.
And I suppose absolutely their

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reaction to that will say more
potentially about what they're

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like.
And maybe their reaction will

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be, oh sure, let's take some
away.

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But but that doesn't change for
me the fact that there are still

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lots of people in the 1st place
who never would have done this.

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And, and it, and it kind of
winds me up when people get a

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pass.
And I see this in all walks of

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life.
I see, I see very toxic,

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horrible people who made a name
for themselves in maybe reality

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shows or, you know, sports
careers or just just horrible,

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horrible people.
Podcasts, podcasts, who then who

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then at the end of it turn
around and, and then they're

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like, oh God, yeah, I was a
bully.

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Oh, I was so awful to women.
I was so awful.

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But I've seen the light.
And now this is the way we

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should live our life, guys.
And everyone's like simping on

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them like, oh, oh, aren't you
just like, oh, you're just, I'm

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so glad you've seen.
Aren't you just saying the right

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things?
Oh, you're so lovely.

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You never would have been famous
if you weren't a misogynistic

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pig in the 1st place on one of
these reality TV shows.

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So don't turn around now when
you're 40 and be like, go,

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aren't I the best person in the
world?

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No, you're a piece of no.
They've learned the error of

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their ways, Dylan.
They've learned the error of

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their ways.
And we should, we should follow

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their redemption.
Yeah.

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What about the people who they
spent 10/15/20 years of their

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life bullying and harassing and
being horrible people to there

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who are more interested in and
do you know who I'm more

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interested in?
The people who were never like

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that in the 1st place who didn't
make a platform for themselves

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because they pushed themselves
out there and and were this

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controversial figure and just
horrible.

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And then then they get they're
all adulation after for the way

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they changed.
Now how about when you were a

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grown man in your 20s and 30s?
You weren't a piece of shit.

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How about that?
Like it?

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It doesn't wash with me.
It doesn't make you this amazing

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figure because you changed.
You were that in the 1st place

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when you were able to not be
that.

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It doesn't make you.
Oh yeah, obviously it's good.

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You should have changed, but it
winds me up.

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And how does that make you feel?
Makes me feel angry because

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these aren't the people you
should be putting on pedestals

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and like I saw a meme as the
worst person you knew at school

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now and it's just them.
Like sitting on a mountaintop

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guy.
Life's too short.

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Just be nice to everyone you
know.

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You were horrible to everyone
you knew for years and years and

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years and then just started.
Now's the time I'm going to get

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the clouts wind me up when in
retrospectively, and it's kind

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of the same idea here.
It's like, oh, sorry, I didn't

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know that.
Well, you did.

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You did know, and if you didn't
then you're an ignorant idiot.

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So do you not believe in
redemption?

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Of course I believe in redempt.
Of course, of course the option

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at the point now would be it's
better for someone to look back

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and go, oh, I made mistakes,
aren't I good?

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What shouldn't happen there for
retrospective is they're putting

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a pedestal for it.
They're not better than someone

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being awful and then having a
redemption back to where you

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were is not better than someone
who just was always there in the

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1st place.
But it's treated that way

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because, oh, they've gone
through this redemption.

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Fantastic what they've done.
Well, what if I never had

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something to redeem myself about
in the 1st place?

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Isn't that better Do?
You know what reminds me of?

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And you might even be thinking
this as well.

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We've talked this before in the
classroom when children who are

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just consistently well behaved
and honestly never do the right

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thing, kind of don't like they
never do.

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I say that yeah, they always do.
They're.

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Well behaved, they never do the
right thing.

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I mean, never do the wrong
thing.

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They're always doing the right
thing.

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Like they might not get a
particular reward for just doing

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the right thing all the time.
Whereas the child who can, I

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don't know, maybe plays up
regularly or is, you know, that

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behaviour is not great, that
then does the right thing.

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They'll get sort of praised and
rewarded for it.

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And, and a lot of people have
said like, you've got to be

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careful in comparison, because
the child who's always doing the

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right thing, who just didn't get
in any way for doing the thing

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that the other child that
doesn't normally do the right

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thing has now just done, sees
that.

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Yeah.
And might, you know, might.

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And also you got remember in
this, in this, in this example,

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their children, yeah, who are
learning.

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And I do think there's another
difference between when you're a

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fully grown adult doing these
things.

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So I do think there is room to
be praising children who make

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progress no matter where they're
at.

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And the moral of that story to
me is that you should be giving

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praise to the other child more
exactly.

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It's not about you shouldn't be
giving it to the child who's

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redeeming themselves because, A,
they're learning and they're a

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child, and B, they have
redeemed.

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And like I said earlier, it's
not against redemption,

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obviously.
Obviously it's better to redeem

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yourself, but it's more about
when they're a child still

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praising the other person for
always making the right

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decisions and not letting them
be lost in the ether of just,

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oh, well, they're a good kid,
let's just ignore them.

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Yeah.
And when you're an adult, it's

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different because you're an
adult.

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Yeah.
You You are now fully, fully

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independent of making your own
choices.

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But it is an interesting thought
experiment either way.

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You know, from a child
perspective, adult perspective,

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and clearly you know.
So ECT one who wrote in.

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Hopefully you can bring this up.
I still think it's worth

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bringing up.
I still think it's worth

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advocating for yourself, I just
don't give people a free pass.

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No, and that's fine and I don't
think we should give people a

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free pass, but I think it's
worth understanding that there

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are different types of people
out there when you're talking to

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them.
Should I just, should I

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summarise my point again so I
get the final word or no?

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I think I've summarised my final
point and final word and I think

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we should move on.
Go on after my summary.

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So the next question.
Is I just think.

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You can come in with the answer
for that question.

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Ring up on another 10 minutes.
Here we go.

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What is the highlight of your
careers in education so far,

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both in the classroom and
outside?

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Certainly all those bloody
holidays we got you crazy man,

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do you want?
To start with in the classroom.

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Or yeah, in the classroom, and
I'm going to take this as just

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in teaching in general.
The highlight for me was

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definitely, well, one of the
highlights.

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There's lots.
I like anything where where

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we're a bit off time to were not
rigidly sad.

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They're just doing traditional
lessons, which sounds ridiculous

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because that was 99% of my time
as teacher.

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I liked it when we went outside
and just the kids were happy and

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exploring.
I liked anything when the

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children felt like they were in
charge of their own learning.

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And I know it's not like an
individual thing I'm going to

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talk about necessarily, but when
when we'd go out with our books

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and and we'd just do some
sketching.

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Oh, what's the outcome?
How can we possibly track that

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the children know what shading
is and the different words for

448
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the different types of the
foliage and all that kind of, I

449
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600
don't care.
Kids were just happy and, and

450
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,400
sketching and they were learning
how to sketch and they were

451
00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:50,920
talking to their friends and
they were becoming better

452
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,160
people.
All of those things notes the

453
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,080
children give you that.
I, I, I still hold on.

454
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,600
Some of those notes still have
them where it's like, here's a

455
00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,000
note that a child who is, who is
8 years old has independently

456
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,720
gone up and thought, I need to
write this down and give it to

457
00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,760
this person because they're
important to me and they've done

458
00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,079
this thing for me that's really
helped me.

459
00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,440
And I understand that And no
one's put them up to it and they

460
00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,119
want to give you that note, the
best feeling in the world.

461
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,880
And one last one is probably, I
think back to COVID times when

462
00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,160
we were in bubbles and we had a
little bubble and we emptied the

463
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,280
store cupboard for a PEP
equipment because we were going

464
00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,839
to tidy it.
So in between tidying that and

465
00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:27,720
whilst we're cleaning it and
stuff and putting it back away

466
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,680
after we said, OK, kids, here's
the entire PE cupboard.

467
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,960
Make an obstacle course that
covers the entire playground.

468
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,280
The best thing ever because the
kids were just having so much

469
00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,800
fun.
It was active, it was it was

470
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,960
problem solving, it was
teamwork, it was team building.

471
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,840
Best things ever.
Those moments where children

472
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,760
develop in those ways, we need
to find more ways to get that

473
00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,560
into school in general because
of those are my highlights.

474
00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,320
When I think back of my teaching
career, those are what stick out

475
00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,040
to me as like, I felt like I was
doing a good job and the kids

476
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,800
were happy.
It's funny how it's always the

477
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,880
moments of just kind of pure
connection with the children.

478
00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,480
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, are some of my

479
00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,720
highlights, could I look back
and like find some highlights

480
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,280
where the data was good?
Honestly, I probably could say,

481
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,960
Oh yeah, this year, every year.
Yeah, because the the data was

482
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,880
really good this year and it was
better than average or whether

483
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,320
like, but they're not really
like proper highlights to me.

484
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,960
They're they're cool things.
We, you know, you can say, oh,

485
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,600
that was good.
It's a result of what you do

486
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,600
day-to-day.
It's nice.

487
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,280
Yeah, right.
It's not what you're hanging

488
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,360
your hat on, is it?
No.

489
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,320
When you when you look back on
your career, you know what we

490
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,840
going.
I'm so glad that child got past

491
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,560
that arbitrary threshold.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

492
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,480
But one, one of the ones for me
was going to be the the time

493
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,520
that we took all the kids out.
We were in the same bubble.

494
00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,960
We were it was me and you and
yeah, we just let we just let

495
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,160
loose.
It was it was so good.

496
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,920
And I even remember 11 just very
tiny moment.

497
00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,360
This is just like a thing for me
and you just add to this story,

498
00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,640
right was when all the kids were
playing basketball and and I

499
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,920
jokingly or I can't remember who
went first now, but one of.

500
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,640
Us.
No, you went.

501
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:50,560
First it was me.
It was me.

502
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,360
I went first.
I was like, yeah, look at me.

503
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,400
And you know how as a teacher,
we just you always like you do

504
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,720
things pretending to be cool.
And if they, if they, it

505
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,440
happened one in 100 times, they
work.

506
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,200
You pretend that that was you
just, yeah, great.

507
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,480
I just from like half court just
lobbed the basketball over the

508
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,200
back of my head and it went in
and everyone was like, and then

509
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,040
you came along and also did it
like first time.

510
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,000
And it was insane because
everyone was like, what?

511
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,520
As if they've just done this And
the kids were just so happy and

512
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,680
so high.
And then they played basketball

513
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,000
for like 3 hours because they
were just, they just wanted to

514
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,720
play basketball.
And I was like, this is cool.

515
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,920
Just like every day when we
because we did our little

516
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,760
bubble, we're in for the week,
weren't we?

517
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,280
I think.
And every day.

518
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,080
And then they'd obviously we'd
spend as much time outside as

519
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,360
possible because this was in
COVID times.

520
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,000
Yeah.
And I'd just make up a game.

521
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,200
Yeah, just make up a game would
be complete nonsense.

522
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,880
And I felt like I was 12 again
in my own garden.

523
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,480
And some of those.
Yeah.

524
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,880
Yeah.
I'd make up a game that was

525
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,920
completely arbitrary.
And I was like, oh, it's five

526
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,680
points to be behind this random
line, but if you do it past that

527
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,960
line, then your name's Bob.
Yeah.

528
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,400
Like complete nonsense.
But if you park all around this

529
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,400
wall and land in the handstand,
you can actually get 100.

530
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,560
Points for that?
Yeah, exactly.

531
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,040
What?
Sorry, what?

532
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,920
Yeah, completely arbitrary
nonsense, but it was so fun and

533
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,240
it it, to me, it just went to
show that like, you know, there

534
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,480
are more important things for
sure.

535
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,040
And obviously part of our job is
really important of basic

536
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,080
numeracy and reading and stuff,
but there is a line somewhere

537
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,480
where actually the kids can just
be kids, please.

538
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,760
But definitely my highlights
were those moments for sure.

539
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,920
I've got, I've got two other
highlights. 1 is on in respect

540
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:12,880
of that.
It's just a funny one.

541
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,600
It was actually demolishing all
the children at laser tag that I

542
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,360
took.
I took a year six class once.

543
00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,120
The laser tag is like a reward
paintballing thing.

544
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,960
Obviously I played as well,
yeah, like paintballing and

545
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,680
absolutely did not hold back
whatsoever.

546
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,520
So yeah, I was proud, proud to
be the victor of that one.

547
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,400
But the other one, more
wholesome, is.

548
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,560
What, you'd struggle to not get
more wholesome than completely

549
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,360
destroying the enjoyment for the
kid?

550
00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,280
Kids thinking I'm going to have
a nice day at laser tag.

551
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840
Let's see who wins.
Oh, it's Mr Steven to beat us

552
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,160
by.
Five times he's just done

553
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,560
another front roll, forward roll
and he's hurt his back.

554
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,440
He's broken his hip.
He's still going.

555
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,840
He has.
He has just got me precisely on

556
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,160
my little laser bit.
Same class.

557
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:57,120
Funnily enough, it was a girl
who she was just the sweetest

558
00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,200
soul, such such a kind girl and
she struggled with learning and

559
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,520
like it was E 6 and she
desperately, desperately,

560
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,320
desperately wanted to get
expected in maths.

561
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,520
And I know we shouldn't go out
of the standards, but like for

562
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,640
her.
It's all I want.

563
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,880
But she really, really, really
wanted to prove herself.

564
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,040
And that's that's fine.
And which is fine, genuinely for

565
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,680
like for her, like she'd never
genuinely never got expected in

566
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,360
an assessment.
Before.

567
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,520
Don't you think that says more
about her journey through school

568
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,280
and what's like?
It does like.

569
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,000
Let's just make that before
anyone gets annoyed.

570
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,160
I was talking about this whole.
Some story I agree the the

571
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,040
expected thing was almost just
literally just a way that

572
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,680
existed that she could measure
something of it like improvement

573
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,600
she wanted to she hadn't got it
before and she just wanted to

574
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,040
get it right in maths and she.
Got she got two in the end she

575
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:39,400
got two really like never spoke
to her.

576
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,440
Again, never spoke to her again,
no.

577
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,520
But anyway, I saw her out and
about she so I'm skipping ahead

578
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,120
to find a story.
She got expected in so her in

579
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,640
her sats results she.
Quite an important by that.

580
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,000
Story She just got expected and
she was like genuinely over the

581
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,360
moon.
Like I remember her and her mum

582
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:57,440
like almost in tears.
And then I saw her like 2-3

583
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,240
maybe four years later.
This was a while back now out

584
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,520
and about in like a local
shopping centre.

585
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,440
And she did not hesitate to just
stop whatever she was doing and

586
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,880
ran over with her mum to just
have a conversation with me and

587
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,320
speak to me.
And like she was beaming.

588
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,800
And I don't know, it was just
something about that moment

589
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,440
where I was like, this is so
special and so nice.

590
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,880
The fact that whatever we did
together in that class and for

591
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,760
that one year, I went off and
did another class and another

592
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,440
class, another class.
And you've taught thousands of

593
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,880
kids for her, that was a special
time.

594
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480
And she felt achieved.
And she went on to feel like she

595
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,120
could do maths and, and she was
successful and then wanted to

596
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,120
come and have a conversation
with me like in, in a random

597
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,320
place where she could have
easily just walked past and go,

598
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,320
oh look, it was Mr Stevens over.
There, which is what you were

599
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,320
trying to do, you'd see him I.
Was like Oh no I've just been

600
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,360
caught by another kid who loves
me.

601
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,440
I haven't got time.
The 4th 1:00 today.

602
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,760
God, goodness me should keep
filming.

603
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,800
Yeah, keep filming.
But that, to me, like sits in my

604
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,720
brain as what I've loved about
this job.

605
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,280
Definitely, absolutely.
And As for outside, I don't know

606
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,920
if this means education, but
outside or not like, yeah, I

607
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,920
don't know if you really deep
what we've done in the last year

608
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,200
or two with this podcast, it's
easy to like kind of forget what

609
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,440
would like realistically like
we've we've done quite a bit in

610
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,760
terms of meeting amazing people
who are also in the space

611
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,640
working on the mass platform
we're working on right now maths

612
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,000
to just it.
I feel quite, very, very lucky

613
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,920
to be fair that it's kind of
worked out for us.

614
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,880
Definitely.
Even even.

615
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,680
You're probably thinking it even
recently we went to the National

616
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040
Literacy Trust Gala in London
and we're invited with the

617
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,920
Premier League.
Like, that was pretty cool.

618
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,960
Yeah, that was.
Sweet.

619
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,800
I had dinner with Cresta Cowell.
Yeah.

620
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,920
Hi, Cresta.
She was so nice.

621
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,120
She was so lovely.
She signed up.

622
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,240
Books and stuff filled with
people like, you know, Julia

623
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,280
Donaldson was there.
Yeah.

624
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,240
Axel Scheffler was on this on
the stage sketching.

625
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,640
I've got a 2 year old son.
Do you like this is like the

626
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,000
equivalent of me seeing Sir Alex
Ferguson being like the biggest

627
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,400
thing in the world.
So yeah, things like that.

628
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
It is crazy.
Do I have to pinch ourselves

629
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,520
sometimes?
And we've got some really

630
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
exciting stuff coming up.
So how much?

631
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,800
We're very exciting, but it's
going to be.

632
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,440
Nah, let's not.
Let's.

633
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,520
Tease them.
Let's tease them.

634
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,840
Exciting things coming up.
Let's.

635
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,720
Scroll to the 4th slide and find
out what that sick thing is.

636
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,880
I'm not bitter about it, stupid.
Trick to you, funny enough,

637
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,080
leads nicely into our next
question.

638
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,080
Go on, Having left teaching,
when do you think you'll be far

639
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,280
enough away from the job to not
justify doing a podcast about

640
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,720
it?
That is.

641
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
We got to send something, do we?
Yeah, go on, we get to send

642
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,760
stuff.
All the time.

643
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,840
But we got to send something
today in our WhatsApp community,

644
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,640
which you can join down below
about someone else who's, how

645
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,400
can I say, prominent in the
space, talking about how they're

646
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,120
fed up of teacher podcasts or
teaching podcasts, not including

647
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,320
teachers in them.
Yeah, yeah.

648
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,160
Current teachers not.
Yeah, like not being in podcasts

649
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,080
or if it says it's teaching
podcasts and it should have

650
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,960
teachers in it, etcetera.
And obviously, I mean, like the

651
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,760
person sitting here says, oh,
here you go guys.

652
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,240
Like look at this.
Because everyone knows we, we

653
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,720
left the classroom last
September.

654
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,680
But like, I don't know what,
what do you, what's your gut

655
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,080
instinct about?
Like just in general, do you

656
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,800
think there'll be a point where
we're like what we can't

657
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,120
possibly talk about anymore?
No, I like, I did it for 10

658
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,920
years.
I haven't just forgotten that.

659
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,800
And we talked about earlier,
like when I said you haven't

660
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,440
just forgotten what the ECT
journey is like.

661
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,720
Don't give yourself that cop
out.

662
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,160
It doesn't work the other way.
Yeah.

663
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,960
I'm going to spend 10 years of
my life teaching.

664
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040
I know it quite well.
Of course, I think it's less

665
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,880
about time and more genuinely
about just what actually

666
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,200
changes.
For example, there's two

667
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,480
situations the same five years,
honestly, nothing changes,

668
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,360
right?
I'd I'd feel pretty confident I

669
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,520
can still talk about it.
And we obviously have guests on

670
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,720
the things all the time.
And we work in education ground

671
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,080
and are in school.
We were in a school last week.

672
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,720
We're in.
Schools, we're not, we're not

673
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,360
just away from the classroom
because we're not a classroom

674
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,960
teacher completely.
But I do think there is some

675
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,160
merit in if over time, if loads
and loads of things change and

676
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320
the experience of being a
classroom teacher is

677
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280
significantly different to what
I experienced.

678
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,120
I think some of you could
justify the idea that it's like,

679
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,240
of course my opinions are not as
valid as there is if they've

680
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,120
been teaching the whole five
years.

681
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,480
Yeah.
So I do think there's some truth

682
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,080
in it, but I don't think it is
as cutthroat as like, the second

683
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,200
you leave the classroom, you're
now so invalid you can't even

684
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,480
talk about the experience of
being a teacher, including

685
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,520
getting people on that still
teach, including going into

686
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,800
schools yourself.
But you're not a class.

687
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,680
Yeah, it doesn't count anymore.
Let's be realistic.

688
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,960
In three years of doing this
podcast, we probably had 10

689
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,600
different guests.
It's not like we get people on

690
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760
all that's true.
Oh, we're getting someone on.

691
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,080
We're probably not, are we?
That's good.

692
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,680
We.
Had two guests the last two

693
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,080
weeks.
We did have guests, so therefore

694
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,320
I can pretend that that's always
the.

695
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000
Case yeah, I don't know, I I, I
struggle with it a bit because I

696
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,280
think also I think people don't
really understand that when you

697
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,680
build your base of people, like
we've got a huge following, very

698
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,200
grateful people.
Lots of people listen to this

699
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,040
podcast.
They only listen to it because

700
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,640
they relate to it and it's good.
Yeah, right.

701
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,440
So it's not like, oh, they're
tricking, but no, no, people are

702
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,880
enjoying it.
That's why it grows and that's

703
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320
why reels do well and that's why
because it's relatable still.

704
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,160
So it's like it's not relatable
anymore.

705
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,360
Well, it is.
I'm not being funny.

706
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,320
Like I don't listen.
People stop listening.

707
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,760
And if anything, we've grown
since we left.

708
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,480
I think there there's a couple
of things.

709
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,600
One is if you're pretending to
be a teacher when you're not.

710
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,040
I absolutely agree that that's
just ridiculous.

711
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,400
We've never ever done that No,
we've we said we've done post

712
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,640
about the literal most listened
2 episode is the one where we

713
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,160
said we have quit teaching.
It couldn't be more black and

714
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,960
white, plain in your face.
Yeah.

715
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,360
And we regularly reference the
fact that we've.

716
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,280
Left and if you literally listen
to the episode, it's not it's

717
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,880
not a way out.
Oh yeah, I had a good maths

718
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,200
session this week doing the
numeracy.

719
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,520
Yeah, yeah, they did the letters
L No, it didn't.

720
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,440
It wasn't any class I wasn't
teaching.

721
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,480
And then.
Do numeracy in school anymore?

722
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,720
Numeracy.
Oh God, I read about it.

723
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,960
The, the other thing was about,
you know, there are some people

724
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320
out there and by the way, bear
in mind we don't teach at all

725
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,240
and we do teach podcasts or
education all the time.

726
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,040
So I clearly think that's OK.
There are people out there who

727
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,080
have very, very, very, very,
very small timetables or work

728
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,360
part time or do a bit of
teaching every now and then that

729
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,320
is, is consistent.
And they can still say, I'm a

730
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,880
teacher, I do this.
But is there a line then?

731
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,680
Like is it just, it's all fair
game?

732
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,720
You, you know what you're
talking about until it's 0.

733
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,960
If you're in for half a day a
week, that's fine.

734
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,240
You're as you, you've got as
much knowledge as someone who's

735
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,360
working full time or someone
who's working nought .8 or

736
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,000
someone who's working nought .4.
Or you work in the independent

737
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,680
sector in a private school.
You don't work in a public

738
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,040
school, so you can only talk
about that.

739
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,560
Oh, and you've gone to teach
abroad and then you teach in a

740
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,960
different country, so you can
only teach about that.

741
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080
You can't possibly talk about
this, this system now because

742
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,320
you're not actually in there.
I, I think we all agree that if

743
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,200
we're going to have some weird
line, then you have to be really

744
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280
strict about it and where you're
going to put your line.

745
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600
And if your line is just, if you
are completely out the

746
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,800
classroom, you shouldn't be
talking about it.

747
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,960
But if you're 1 toe in it, then
it's fine.

748
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,360
That seems ridiculous.
Yeah, that one, that one seems

749
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,880
the most crazy to me.
I think it's just, yeah, it's

750
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,680
just flexible, isn't it?
It depends on the context of

751
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,640
what you're talking about as
well.

752
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Exactly.
OK, let's say you are half a day

753
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,200
a week in a school and like
there are there are obviously a

754
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,840
lot of things that you can still
talk about.

755
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,720
You're literally still part of
that school community regardless

756
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,640
of how much you're in there.
But it there might be some

757
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,200
topics that you don't feel as as
quick to talk about after over

758
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560
time, I don't know.
But if you work in a school in a

759
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880
different country, the same
thing happens.

760
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,680
It's just different contexts
that, OK, you might feel really

761
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560
confident talking about certain
aspects of the job, but also now

762
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,440
you don't work in any UK school.
So there are some parts that you

763
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,400
just, I don't know if you think
there's this line, then OK, then

764
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,080
you're saying that you can't
talk about these things anymore.

765
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160
I actually think we can all talk
about everything genuinely.

766
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480
And, and I to answer this
question, I still stand by what

767
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,160
I said in terms of, I think
there is a risk of some drop off

768
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,600
of understanding, knowledge of,
of not living and breathing,

769
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,960
being a classroom teacher, if it
changes over time, which it

770
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,120
will, which it will.
But I, I really, really like

771
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,520
strongly do not believe that by
being an unlimited timetable or

772
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920
coming out of class, I mean, you
can no longer talk about it

773
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,160
doesn't make any sense.
I think the public can talk

774
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,880
about education and I think they
should have opinions.

775
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,920
And then they work in schools in
any capacity.

776
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:33,840
They've never worked in a
school.

777
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,560
Like we're talking about people
that don't, but I think they

778
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,840
should have opinions.
It's a public service.

779
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,080
So yeah, my 10 years does
actually equip me quite well to

780
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,880
talk about it pretty pretty
effectively.

781
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,160
And I think I do agree though,
like if you're pretending, then

782
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,000
that's.
The pretending 1 is definitely

783
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,360
right.
I think people that why are you

784
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,120
doing that if you're just lying?
Lying is different to having an

785
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,040
opinion on something.
It's like having a podcast

786
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,600
called A Teach that you repeat
when you don't do one of them.

787
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Do you think do we need to
change it?

788
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120
No, I'm not changing it.
I think we should.

789
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,360
No, I teach her every week on
how to have a good argument.

790
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,720
There you go.
So yeah, let's go to the next

791
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,200
one.
Cool.

792
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,320
If Ofsted are in and they see a
student on a mobile phone,

793
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,280
should they automatically be
placed in urgent attention in an

794
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,800
area?
And if so, which one?

795
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,280
Now this, I think, I think this
question was from someone I've

796
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,640
spoken to death about this
before.

797
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,960
And it's interesting because
obviously there are lots of

798
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,320
people who understand dangerous
smartphones and social media and

799
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,720
how it can be really distracting
in class.

800
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,880
But the point, the wider point
here as well is like, basically,

801
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,040
whose fault is it?
You know, if if a child is seen

802
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
in an off state inspector with
their phone out in lesson, yeah.

803
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Should that be an indicator
somehow that the school is

804
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,080
failing and it's down to the
school or is it just the

805
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,160
individual person they should be
sanctioned that it's obviously

806
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,680
not school's fault?
I think it's really interesting

807
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,080
question.
It's a very interesting question

808
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,120
because based on everything
we've ever talked about in this

809
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000
in this field, we've always
established that no matter what

810
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720
rules are in place, there will
always be a child who pushes the

811
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,920
rules and breaks the rules.
Yeah.

812
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
So like, you can't actually have
100% control.

813
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,640
No, but of a situation that's I
completely agree with that.

814
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,840
And then like my, my, my gut
instinct here is that obviously

815
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520
not you shouldn't be put into
urgent attention with one child

816
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,720
on their phone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

817
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,800
There's not it's not even, it's
not even the law that schools

818
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,360
have to ban.
It's like very, very strong

819
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600
guidance, right.
So, so I think that's too much,

820
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,920
but I, I, I kind of get it
because OK, Ofsted go in and

821
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,240
this is not, I'm not equating
these things, but I'm just

822
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,760
saying, is there a point where
what a child does reflects on

823
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,680
the school Ofsted go in, a
child's got a knife.

824
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Should there be something in the
school like where you're like,

825
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480
actually, obviously this needs
urgent attention.

826
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,240
How on earth has a child got a
knife into the school?

827
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,120
So what's leadership doing?
So the other part of this

828
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,560
question is, if so, which area
is it?

829
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,680
Behaviour?
Behaviour is an area.

830
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,520
And could you say that if you're
on your phone not listening to

831
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,760
your teacher?
Well, behaviour is an issue,

832
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920
behaviour inherently.
Is it going to be judged on what

833
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,960
the children are doing or should
it be judged on what things you

834
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,160
have in place and how you
implement them?

835
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360
That seems more fair to me.
Yeah, I get it.

836
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040
And I wouldn't even put that, I
wouldn't even put the individual

837
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,320
behaviours of a child in Austin
inspection as means to mark

838
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560
someone as bad for behaviour
because you can't control that.

839
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440
No, what you can control as a
school is your policies and your

840
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520
implementation.
And obviously that leadership

841
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,840
comes into it as well.
Safeguarding comes into it as

842
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320
well.
And I think the act of a child

843
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960
having the mobile phone itself
should not be putting you into

844
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440
urgent attention.
However, if there's a

845
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000
lackadaisical approach to it and
leadership are like, yeah, kids

846
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480
do that sometimes and they well,
what you going to do then that

847
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,960
would urgently require.
Attention, that's what I'm

848
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,440
thinking.
I was literally imagining like

849
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640
the 2 ends of the spectrum in my
head here of like 2 schools

850
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,720
imagine.
But in both contexts, the offset

851
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,960
inspector has seen a child on
their phone.

852
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,520
It's just exactly the same
situation, right?

853
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,680
But in one school, they have
like like layers and layers of

854
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,320
policies of, of ways that
they're trying to combat this.

855
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,640
And, and it's just happens to be
that that child has just really

856
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,280
broken all the rules and they've
been very sneaky and but

857
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440
naughty.
And in another school, they just

858
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,320
don't have any of these
policies.

859
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,040
And all they do is say to the
kids put them away.

860
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,840
But that's as far as they go.
They don't really have anything

861
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,600
top down.
It's inconsistent across the

862
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,960
school.
The idea of banding them both as

863
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,080
the same thing is absurd to me
because they're not the same

864
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560
thing, but the trigger is the
same in both of them.

865
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,480
And, and an offset inspector
would have seen the same thing.

866
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,400
So that's why I completely
agree.

867
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,280
Like the actions of an
individual child on the

868
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,600
inspection can't be what's
driving because then it really

869
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,960
is a lottery.
It really is a lottery because

870
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,960
we've worked in fantastic
schools where things have

871
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,720
happened where in isolation, if
you took no context whatsoever

872
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160
and you wanted to be that
dismissive of it against the

873
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
school, the school could
absolutely be brandished as, Oh

874
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,120
my gosh, this is the worst thing
in the world.

875
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Well, no, because we reacted in
a certain way and we put things

876
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,320
in place that it wouldn't
happen, but it still did.

877
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,760
But that, that has to be, that
has to have room for that.

878
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,640
And like just even like maybe a
slightly wider point to this.

879
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,120
If, if it takes a student being
seen on their mobile phone by an

880
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,360
often inspector to, for that to
make them think about whether

881
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,200
they should check if there's a
policy that just already already

882
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,040
seems weird.
And I'm like, they should

883
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,040
already be doing this anyway.
Like the it's almost like that

884
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
shouldn't be the trigger.
I, I know it sounds what I said,

885
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,040
but like, I think, I think
because it's such a big thing

886
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160
anyway, like as I've said, I
should already be looking really

887
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,120
at what the safeguarding
policies are, what policies are

888
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520
there are behaviour and already
thinking to themselves.

889
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,560
We know that social media and
phones are a massive thing in

890
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,880
secondary schools.
I probably would have already at

891
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
some point thought about this
and looked at it like, I find

892
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:18,719
that weird.
They go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

893
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,159
whoa, that's a praise.
Sorry, you've got kids.

894
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,840
Do your kids have phones in this
school?

895
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,159
One of them is on it.
What are you doing?

896
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,480
Right.
I need to bring up, you know,

897
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,520
urgent attention.
What are you doing about mobile

898
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,199
phones?
Because I've just seen one and

899
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,760
I'm worried because the last
three schools didn't see any.

900
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,040
They didn't think.
About it.

901
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,480
So you're talking to a brick.
Oh.

902
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,840
God, God, you've got my mobile
phone, kid.

903
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,880
You're playing Snake.
I'm going to put the school down

904
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,280
for a safeguarding policy
because a kid stole my phone,

905
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,480
the awesome inspector and
started.

906
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,400
Using the iCloud unlocked on the
table?

907
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,800
Well, what are you going to do?
Excuse me, sorry, that child in

908
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,800
there in your class has got
unrestricted access to the

909
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,960
Internet and no one's monitoring
them.

910
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,280
That's your phone.
You're on YouTube reels watching

911
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,240
brain rot.
My brain rot.

912
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,000
I'm messing up my algorithm.
God right?

913
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,040
I'm going to come and do this
one then.

914
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,520
So what do you think about SLT
and its non teaching leaders who

915
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,720
share an office having their own
fridge and kettle so they don't

916
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,200
have to enter the star from with
the others?

917
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,080
OK, it's just a bit weird.
It's a bit weird, a bit of a red

918
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,280
flag, isn't it?
Because it you know, OK, I'm

919
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,240
trying to think of the reasons
why you might do this space.

920
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,880
You might think, oh, do you know
what?

921
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,400
Let's just let's just spread
this out a bit.

922
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
But the, the way it's like a
small group of people who are

923
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080
also the leaders of the school
being separate to the rest of

924
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,600
the school feels like a power
dynamic and almost like we can't

925
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,840
mix with them because that would
mean, you know, our downtime,

926
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,440
we'd have to go and see them.
And I want to maintain this it

927
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,880
aura of I'm the leader and what
I say goes.

928
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,360
It feels a bit like they're
trying to preserve that rather

929
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520
than can actually just exist as
a human being, which which

930
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,920
involves just mixing with
people.

931
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Potentially, I think it's easy
to jump into the on the bam.

932
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,040
I'm going to be like, oh, it's
because like the worst reasons

933
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,560
possible.
But I did 3-4.

934
00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,880
I did start.
No, no, I know, I know.

935
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,560
I'm just saying I'm almost
thinking from this perspective

936
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,920
really because like the the
question is already posed in

937
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,760
that way of like so they don't
have to enter the start from

938
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,880
with the others.
Like do we know that?

939
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,160
Do we know that for sure?
Is it easy?

940
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,200
So they don't have to enter the
start from with others as in

941
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,320
like is it implying?
Are we implying here that

942
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,320
because they why else want to
because they didn't want to

943
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,760
think?
I don't know why else would you

944
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,360
think I'm actually going to get
a cat in the fridge here when

945
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,360
there's a cat in the fridge
there?

946
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360
Like you would only do that so
you don't have to go in there.

947
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,760
Yeah, sure, but the reasons
might not be bad.

948
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,280
But there but it is only so you
don't have to go in there.

949
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,200
Yeah, I suppose so.
I suppose it doesn't.

950
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,320
Yeah, objectively it doesn't
make sense.

951
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,280
I guess I was already adding an
implication in that question

952
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,360
that.
Your own bias coming through, is

953
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,600
it?
I don't think we should be the

954
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,480
bias that I'm.
I'm attributing to this myself.

955
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
It's true.

956
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,560
I have actually absolutely done
that because it doesn't actually

957
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,600
suggest that all.
But I was assuming they're

958
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,080
saying like oh, because they
think they're better than.

959
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,640
US but but like if it's if that
fridge in that kettle was for

960
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,840
everyone because I'm just
spreading the load out a bit so

961
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,840
it's not really busy in the in
the staff room, then that would

962
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000
make complete sense.
But it's not specifically for

963
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640
SRT who are in that office so
that they don't have to go into

964
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,080
the staff room.
Like that is the only reason

965
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,560
they do that in that small
little office.

966
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,880
It's not to spread the load as
it could just be for everyone.

967
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,640
It's just so they can not go in
there.

968
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,640
And I think it to me it's a bit
like.

969
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Yeah, odd.
I'm trying to think of the

970
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,960
reasons.
I'm trying to think why someone

971
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,480
would do it.
The only reasons I can think of

972
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,760
other than the one the obvious
ones of like they just don't

973
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200
want to, they don't want to
mingle with the staff is they

974
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,120
don't, they don't want to go in
there because they think they

975
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,760
might get asked questions and
they want to avoid them.

976
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,840
Well, that's exactly what you
that's not different.

977
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,320
That's the same reason as what
you just said, no?

978
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,680
No, no, not necessarily because
I just not Ming to the staff.

979
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,000
It's just a power thing of like,
oh, I'm too.

980
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,720
I'm too good to be.
Right, because because of that,

981
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,000
because they don't want they
want to maintain that aura and

982
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,360
not like go on the level of
like, oh, like they'll come to

983
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,120
Pally where they feel like
people can ask them those kind

984
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,120
of questions.
Well, I don't think it's.

985
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Kind of the same thing.
I mean, it's literally just like

986
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,800
just avoidance of like, oh, that
I know that person's going to

987
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,200
chase me up on this thing and I
haven't done it.

988
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,520
So if I just don't go in the
room then I can avoid those kind

989
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,480
of things.
Maybe.

990
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Yeah, yeah.
The other one is if it's literal

991
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,400
physical space, which seems
ridiculous to me.

992
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,240
Like if it's like, oh, it's the
other end of the building.

993
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,760
That seems a bit of a stretch.
And the last one is, and the

994
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,040
only one I can think of that
could possibly be a, a positive

995
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,520
thinking about our own SRT from
the past is that they like

996
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,840
providing like a safe space for
teachers and other staff where

997
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,600
they can just feel like they can
talk about whether they want and

998
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,480
not feel like they've got SLT
breathing over their shoulder

999
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,640
and listening into that
conversation.

1000
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,920
What's that got to do with where
we worked?

1001
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,400
Because I felt like we mingled a
lot.

1002
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360
No, we did, but I know there
were certain situations,

1003
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,160
particularly when it comes to
like staff nights and things

1004
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,160
where our SLT would purposely
make a point of, oh, separate to

1005
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,160
this example, not this example,
yeah.

1006
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,120
But like, because our SLT would
share the staff, remember?

1007
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,440
They would, they would.
Yeah, sorry, I should have made

1008
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,760
that really clear.
But the the the concept of SLT

1009
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,560
thinking, I want to give my
staff space where I'm not there

1010
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680
so they can just be comfortable
talking or even moaning about

1011
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040
stuff where I'm just not
constantly not constantly at

1012
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,360
risk of me being around.
I can understand that thought

1013
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,320
training, but but that's it.
I can't read like that's the

1014
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,440
extent of my reasoning on that
one.

1015
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,920
I don't.
I think it's probably more

1016
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,640
likely that it's a negative
thing and they're like, it's

1017
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,480
like a power thing.
But yeah, I don't know.

1018
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,760
It's a bit strange, isn't it?
Well, let's do the last

1019
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,760
question.
What is your favourite thing you

1020
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,200
have started doing or noticed
since leaving in the classroom?

1021
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,920
Like something you hadn't
anticipated but you love?

1022
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Oh.
Spending time with my child.

1023
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,960
I didn't.
I didn't.

1024
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
You didn't anticipate that.
No, I was like, I can't believe

1025
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200
that this is nice.
I can't believe this is a good

1026
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,880
thing to do.
I actually quite like not having

1027
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,840
to repeat myself 64 times before
9:00 AM.

1028
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200
That's I quite like that is.
That true with your son because

1029
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,880
I feel like I repeat myself a
lot before.

1030
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Worry, no, no we can't.
We can't have our 54th Weetabix

1031
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,840
of the morning and actually
we're eating 7 bananas in a row

1032
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:23,560
is not good for.
You.

1033
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,960
Is he still in this two banana
phase?

1034
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,720
Yeah, 100 percent, 100% every
morning.

1035
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,400
So every single morning when he
gets up, he's excited when it's

1036
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920
me getting him up because he
knows that we can get 2 bananas.

1037
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,720
Whereas Lauren's a bit more like
sensible, sensible baby.

1038
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,400
So Rory will get up and if I go
into his room he'll go Nana on

1039
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,960
the sofa, Nana on the sofa, 2
Nana on the sofa.

1040
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,920
I'm like, come on, let's go.
We'll share the Nana.

1041
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,000
No, Rory, not share the Nana. 2
Nana on the sofa.

1042
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,480
And we go down some days where
I'm like, I'll just pick off 1

1043
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,320
banana and he'll just go no, no,
two Nana, 2 Nana.

1044
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,280
So we get 2 nanas and then he
goes on the other sofa because

1045
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,520
we've got the other sofa in the
front room.

1046
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,840
He wants to sit on a specific
sofa.

1047
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,120
He sits down and he eats his two
nanas and then he has a bit of

1048
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,040
Weetabix.
And that's his, that's his

1049
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,720
breakfast.
And he is.

1050
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,160
There's been days where we've
forgotten to get an honour.

1051
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,720
Oh dear.
And we've ran out of them and.

1052
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,080
Meltdown.
Not good.

1053
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,320
Anyway, we digress Yeah, his
favourite thing you started

1054
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,800
doing notice it, Steve in the
classroom is.

1055
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,000
I don't know, I guess this is
ridiculous.

1056
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,040
And I, you know, you know, I
love teaching and I think, I

1057
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,840
still think I'll go back to
teaching one day, but not being

1058
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,960
genuinely exhausted at the.
Yeah, I was going to go there

1059
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,600
is.
Is insane and people were

1060
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960
listening to this going oh it's
all right for these guys guys

1061
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
I'm just talking to you as a
human being who's done this job

1062
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,920
and I'm saying that you you are
right when you when you talk

1063
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,600
about how exhausted you are at
the end of the week it's not

1064
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,360
made-up because I've seen the
other option which is just not

1065
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,600
being that and you don't have to
feel that way and it's insane do

1066
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,640
we work hard Yeah.
Do we work long hours yeah.

1067
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,320
But it but it is indescribable
what being a classroom teacher

1068
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520
actually does mentally and
physically to you because it is

1069
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,840
exhausting.
Yeah, I, I agree.

1070
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,880
I agree.
And kind of in the same vein,

1071
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,440
weekends just having weekends
again, like my weekends are so

1072
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,560
true, really quite
straightforward now in terms of

1073
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,960
it is very established in our
household that it's like, oh,

1074
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,000
the weekend we just, we stopped
working now we actually just

1075
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,800
spend time together and that
wasn't a thing you take for

1076
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,880
granted like that was not a
thing like the weekends.

1077
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,400
Although in teaching, it varied
for a start across my career in

1078
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,920
terms of how much my weekends
are impacted.

1079
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Also, I was always thinking
about it.

1080
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,960
But even if I did have a weekend
where I didn't do any work or

1081
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,960
did a very limited amount of
work, I was always thinking

1082
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,920
about the work I have to do,
like constantly on my mind that

1083
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,520
I can, I can actually separate
that now.

1084
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,160
So even though again, I wanna
make it really clear we put in

1085
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,120
shifts across the week now like
we work hard and we spend a lot

1086
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,400
of time in on Monday to Friday
working cost a year on lots of

1087
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,480
stuff every week.
But when it gets to the weekend,

1088
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,760
I genuinely feel like I can be
like look, shut that off So

1089
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,840
true.
I hadn't noticed that I did that

1090
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,480
and only retrospectively again
because it becomes your new

1091
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960
normal, doesn't it?
Oh sorry, this says only things

1092
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,960
you've noticed so you can't talk
about this Actually sorry sorry

1093
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,120
I didn't mean to go.
I'm not stipple for the rules

1094
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,280
and if you say you've started
noticing if.

1095
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,360
You'd like me to talk more about
this?

1096
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,120
Please send in the question
about things I haven't noticed.

1097
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,120
I'm going to stop there.
I totally threw you off there,

1098
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,880
sorry.
No, I can't talk about it.

1099
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,640
It's.
Fine.

1100
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,560
Oh, it has a you hadn't
anticipated.

1101
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Oh yeah, no.
I love.

1102
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like being in complete control

1103
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,520
of my time.
Yeah, I like being in complete

1104
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,800
control of my time.
That's a good way of getting

1105
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,880
around it because I had noticed
that.

1106
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,800
Yeah.
Where?

1107
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,920
Yeah.
You know, if we want to work

1108
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,040
from 8:00 AM till till, you
know, 4:00 PM, then have the

1109
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,760
kids and, and, and see them and
do stuff with them and then work

1110
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,280
from 7:00 till 10.
We can if we want to do that.

1111
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,720
But it's, it's just so much, so
much more chilled out.

1112
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,760
And if you're in teaching,
please don't think that this is

1113
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,160
normal.
It's not normal when people say,

1114
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Oh, everyone works hard.
I'm absolutely sure loads of

1115
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,200
people work hard.
But it, it don't let that

1116
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,360
diminish what you're actually
going through because obviously

1117
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,320
there are some jobs that are
more tiring than others.

1118
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,280
And until you actually are in
the job doing it.

1119
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,800
And as we have stepped out of
it, only then do I realise, I

1120
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,080
mean, always go back to the
person I trained with, Paul, who

1121
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,680
had a whole career before going
into teaching.

1122
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,600
We did our APGC together and he
was in his 40s.

1123
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,800
Yep.
And he went into school and he

1124
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,080
was like, he knew that everyone,
the group, small group we were

1125
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,920
with, we, we all basically gone
straight into it.

1126
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,640
And he, he said to us all
repeatedly, I was like, guys,

1127
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,520
you've got, you've got to know
this is not normal.

1128
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,400
This is not a normal amount of
work.

1129
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,680
This is not a normal amount of
stress.

1130
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,320
This is he was an engineer.
Yeah, he did a physical, he was.

1131
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,840
A physical labour engineer and
he said that it was not

1132
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,840
comparable in terms of the the
the burnout and the workload and

1133
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,360
everything he has to do despite
all the holidays and etcetera.

1134
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,920
Everyone wants to say.
So when you listen to people

1135
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,760
who've done both, they
invariably say teaching is

1136
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,240
ridiculously hard.
So don't listen to the to to

1137
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,960
what Andrew on Instagram who's
57 with a picture of a

1138
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,240
motorbike, who's never done a
day of working and teaching in

1139
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,480
his life, who thinks that he's
got it hard like and he wants to

1140
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,440
detriment you.
He might have it hard, but as

1141
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,600
soon as it goes over to
therefore dismissing you and

1142
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,280
something he's never actually
done himself, don't spend 2

1143
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,840
seconds thinking about it
because it's nonsense.

1144
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,280
Yeah, yeah.
The problem, the problem is that

1145
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,880
when people go to the absolute,
so like the argument becomes, is

1146
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680
teaching the hardest job in the
world or not?

1147
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,280
And then, but sometimes teachers
do it, they say this, this is

1148
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,840
the hardest job.
I actually find that most of the

1149
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,240
time they don't.
And people put that implication

1150
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:30,840
on themselves that teachers are
saying they think they have the

1151
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,480
hardest job.
They're actually just saying my

1152
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,400
job is really tough and it's
stressful.

1153
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,760
It they're not, they're not
saying, therefore I've got it

1154
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320
the worst.
Other jobs are as tough, if not

1155
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,120
tougher, right.
But in terms of on the scale, it

1156
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,320
is up there though, teaching is
utterly, utterly exhausting,

1157
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,520
along with lots of other
utterly, utterly exhausting

1158
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,880
jobs.
I think the gap between how hard

1159
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,000
it's perceived and how hard it
is is actually one of the

1160
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:55,960
biggest.
Yeah.

1161
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,320
From teaching, because there's a
lot of jobs that are as hard as

1162
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,600
teaching or harder that everyone
accepts.

1163
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,920
Oh gosh, yeah, that's hard.
Like AC Trawler, they say like,

1164
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,200
Oh my God, that is a hard job.
And everyone knows not to do

1165
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,160
that.
And we all know that.

1166
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,360
And that is a, let's say it's a
9.5 out of 10 in terms of

1167
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,920
hardness.
And everyone thinks it's a nine.

1168
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,640
They don't quite get how hard it
is.

1169
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,880
It's like a bit more.
Whereas teaching, let's just

1170
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,200
say, for argument's sake, I'm
not saying it's this for anyone

1171
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,720
that's annoyed.
Let's just say it's a 7 out of

1172
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,600
10.
Yeah, but most people think it's

1173
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,840
a 2 out of 10.
So that okay guys, I'm not

1174
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,480
saying it's as hard as that job
that's a 9.5, but you are way

1175
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,840
off in what you understand and
it is actually a really hard job

1176
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,440
and you think it's easy.
So that discrepancy I think is

1177
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,720
where a lot of this comes from.
Definitely assume it's easy I.

1178
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,440
Think that's probably the best
way to do it.

1179
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,960
The gap, the gap, the perception
gap, The perception gap.

1180
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,560
I love it the.
Title of my new book you can get

1181
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,320
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You can't.

1182
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,320
I've not.
You can't.

1183
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,240
We don't do things to sell.
Never read a book.

1184
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,080
We don't do things to sell like
a Matthew.

1185
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Trial we just stole my joke but.
Yeah, that's come along nicely

1186
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,800
after Easter, a lot more trial
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1187
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,200
it's going to be a free trial in
that little bit of time, which

1188
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,200
I'm just whether we like the
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1189
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,280
fantastic for a room to practise
and it's going to be completely

1190
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,600
free that you can just sign up
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1191
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So no strings attached.
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1192
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,240
It's down below.
Sign up for a free demo and come

1193
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,480
and get involved and come and
help boost your school's

1194
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
arithmetic fluency.
We'd be gutted if you took

1195
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,360
advantage of the.
First one during those four

1196
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,560
weeks before Aspira.
Oh no, we we would be so do it.

1197
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,560
Sad.
Anyway, let's finish up there

1198
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,360
guys.
Thank you so much.

1199
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Please share this with someone
you think might find it nice to

1200
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,920
listen to.
Useful is what I normally say

1201
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,520
when I do a YouTube video, but
that's when I'm teaching

1202
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,280
something.
And this is called teacher at

1203
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,080
your pain.
We don't do teaching.

1204
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,800
So I actually don't see a fever
You.

1205
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,120
Can't do that.
I'm never going to do it again.

1206
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,480
So never repeating.
See you never.