Ep 188: The Most Common Teacher HATE Comments! (& Why They're Nonsense)

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Hello everyone, Michael bad to
another episode of Teacher

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repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden, and today we're going to
be going through those all Timer

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1 liners from people who just
hate teachers.

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Am I going to?
Is this going to boil my blood?

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Maybe, but we're going to do it
in a fun way where we read out

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what a typical teacher hater
troll might say, OK, take the

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piss out of them.
Yeah.

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And why it's funny.
Yeah.

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And then actually try and
dismantle it and why it's just

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embedded in nonsense because you
probably can think of a few

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already.
Can we can we rate them on how

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annoying they actually are as
well?

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Yeah, OK, let's do that.
Just like just how how, Yeah.

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How boiled your blood gets when
you actually hear it.

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In real life, what's the scale
like?

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Not.
Not to boil not.

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Not 100, not 100, not 100,
Julie.

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Not to 1000.
Not a mathematician, that's.

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Really precise.
That's good, because then we.

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Yeah, we.
Can on a scale of naughty to

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1000?
And we've got about 1000 things

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here.
So we can, No, we've got about

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10, OK.
So someone can count as we go

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through, All right.
Yeah.

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So they have to be all multiples
of of 100.

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Yeah.
Because.

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There's 1000.
So what we'll do is we'll read

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out each one.
We'll start with that rating

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then yeah, OK, I've got
reaction, all that, and then

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like you said, we'll unpick it.
So the first one, those who can

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do, those who can't teach.
Look my my got guttural reaction

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to this is on the scale of
nought to 1000, this is honestly

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like 112.
Honestly like 112 roughly

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people.
Will take nothing.

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That's so crazy girl.
I was thinking 100.

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And 11 genuinely, yeah, it
doesn't.

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It doesn't actually annoy me
that much.

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No, because I just it maybe it's
because I'm this is true.

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I can't do.
That's why I I can't teach.

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That's why I quit.
Oh man, no, the reason it

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doesn't get me up is because
it's so embedded in like I heard

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that my whole life.
Like when I hear that now, I

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just think it's banter.
It's not even banter though,

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because some people mean it.
Like it's just, it's nothing.

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It's not, it's not even funny.
Like I'm just like it's nothing

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to me because it's just, it's,
it's coming from a place of

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complete lack of understanding
about what teaching is like

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those who can't do teachers.
Like what do you think?

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Do you think we don't do?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like, like I got you there.
You can't do so you must teach.

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What do you think we do?
I think, I think it stems from

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more like secondary school
subject specialists where we go,

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ohh, you couldn't do you
couldn't do your job in history,

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so, so you gotta teach you,
haven't you?

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You weren't a very good
historian.

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Well, won't getting the stonks
in on the history job.

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Yeah, yeah.
And, and, and I always hear

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people say this, and I'd love if
anyone here listening is a

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secondary school business
studies because that always

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happens.
Yeah, always happens.

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Someone else be sat in business
study, there'll be some bro

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podcaster who's turned out to
have some kind of success in in

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wealth and business, etcetera,
who then goes on and was like,

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yeah, when I was at school, my
business studies tutor, He he

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never had a business of his own.
Why was he teaching business

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studies?
I was like, OK, so, so, so

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you're, you're kind of logic
here is that no one should ever

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be a business studies teacher
because if they're already good

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at it, they wouldn't be doing
it.

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So you wouldn't have had a
business studies sense like what

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you've caught.
Of course you need some people

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to teach some stuff.
It it just it seems like

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nonsense to me.
Like my food tech teacher never

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had a restaurant which means
they can't possibly teach me how

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to cook.
It doesn't really make.

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Sense yeah, it's it's hard
because there is some kind of

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like the analogy is probably
more if your business teachers

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are like if you're if you're a
business studies teacher has

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never had them and ran a
business like I do think there

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is some point to that.
Well, in comparison to a

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business studies teacher who
maybe had some experience in

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business.
Before, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.
Because like to to me it's not

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equivalent to a food tech
teacher having a restaurant.

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Yeah, to me that's equivalent to
a food tech teacher not knowing

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how to bake a a cake.
Yeah, sure.

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Like it's a very fundamental
level.

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And I'd be like, well, yeah,
actually, as a food tech

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teacher, you should know how to
make an omelette because you're

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teaching kids how to make.
I I don't think the comparison

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you're making is bad at all
because we literally put people

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on a pedestal who come into
primary school teaching who have

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had a career before, no?
No, no, I'm being, no, I'm being

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really specific about what they
are specialist in teaching.

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Yeah, there is a certain level
of what they have to have done

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in that field, I think to be a
suitable teacher.

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So I'm not talking about going
to primary UK.

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You were, you were a chartered
surveyor, then you're going to

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primary school.
That's not what I'm talking

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about.
I'm talking specifically about

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if you're a food tech teacher,
you should know a basic level

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of, of, of how to cook food.
Sure, right.

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If you're a maths teacher, you
should obviously know a certain

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level how to do maths, right.
And if for any subject, there

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should be a certain level that
that you're at and for business

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studies like it, it seems to
genuinely fair enough that to

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have been involved in them and
run some kind of business or

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done something seems to be like
a fair like, OK, I'll throw it

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to you.
Do you think a business studies

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teacher can never ever have ran
a business in their life and

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still teach it well?
Yeah, yeah.

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That's the thing.
That's right.

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That's where I think it falls
down a little bit.

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I don't think the analogy for
business studies is any

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different from any other
subject, genuinely.

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So so you so you think that a
food tech teacher can never have

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cooked an omelette before and
still be a food tech teacher

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because that then the analogy is
not falling apart?

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No, there's a basic level of way
you need to.

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Be a basic level.
Yeah, so your basic level is

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lower than having.
That's it.

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I don't think the basic level is
you have to run a business fine.

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I think you can conceptually
understand how a business works

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and and teach business studies
to 14 year olds.

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So if you just.
Conceptually know how to make an

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omelette, but you've never
actually done one before.

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You can teach kids how to make.
No, I think the bar's different

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for that one.
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I mean, I do think, I do think
so.

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I think the bar probably is
different for for every single

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one.
I just don't think business is

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like different.
I don't think whatever the bar

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is for food tech, I don't think
it's like proportionally that

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different to whatever the bar is
for business.

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Do you know what I mean?
I.

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Just think.
So what's the equivalent of

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cooking and knowing how to to
make?

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OK, cooking is like, OK you you
can conceptually understand

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cooking what you want.
You do have to have at least

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done it once so that you can
model it to the kids.

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Correct.
Why is that not the same for

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business?
Because I don't think you need

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to have run a business like
that's that's a that's a shoot.

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So you.
Don't need to have made.

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Cooking a OK, cooking an
omelette is significantly,

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significantly simpler than
setting up and running a

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business.
Yeah, Like, they're not the

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same.
They're not equivalent.

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Yeah, I don't know.
The restaurant thing is.

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No, no it's not.
The the restaurant thing is the

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same.
They have a business is quite

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easy.
Not really.

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Like it's easy to do OK, OK,
it's easy to go on comedy's

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house and put in a random name
and buy a company name.

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But like actually running a
business is not the.

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Same as cooking, I think.
The restaurant thing is probably

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was was closer to the analysis.
No, because the restaurant is a

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business that's the same.
That's not to do with a food

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tech thing.
You're missing my analogy here.

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The exact thing that qualifies
you to do that job as a 50.

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Nothing to do running a
restaurant.

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Here's a better analogy then.
Cooking is what?

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You have to have been a chef to
be a food tech teacher at some

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point in your career?
Yeah, I don't think that's true.

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Fair.
I think you can have just done

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some cooking at home.
Yeah, as long as just a business

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home.
Yeah, literally.

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So running a small business,
maybe that, but not even that.

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You didn't need to run a small
business, right.

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You could watch some videos.
You don't.

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You could talk to your mates on
business.

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It's different.
I'm just, I'm trying to get,

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you're trying to find an
equivalence here.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And you're saying, yeah, just

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cook at home.
So I'm saying yeah, run a

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business from home.
Yeah, yeah.

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But OK.
In the same way of math, it's

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like you have to know how to do
the equation before you do it.

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You don't have to have any
genuinely any actual role in a

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in a like a certified you.
Need to know how to do them and

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understand the process.
Yeah, you need to.

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And do it and be able to do.
It, yeah, but I think there's

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some things.
You can solve.

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The problem some things you can.
You can understand how to do

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them completely, conceptually,
Absolutely.

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That's it.
But as a teacher, do you not

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think the bar is that you should
be able to do them?

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And it's not just conceptual.
You should be able to do them,

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but I think you can prove that
conceptually for some things.

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OK, so so it sounds like you
have a different bar genuinely

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for all the other subjects apart
from like business studies?

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No, no, no, a little bit
because.

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With history, for example,
right, if, if you're a history

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teacher, you should be able to
look at lots of different

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sources, compile an argument,
write an essay or a

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dissertation.
Yeah, you should be able to do

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that.
You should be able to not, not

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just conceptually.
You don't have to have done it.

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No, I think you do have to have
done it.

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If you're a history teacher, you
have to have done that yourself

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And and walked the walk before
you expect children who are

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younger than you to do the same
thing.

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Yeah, of course you do.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, you definitely

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have to.
Of course you do.

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Like if if my if I went into
school, my history teacher

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hadn't written a dissertation on
a history degree or or had had

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not done any writing themselves
or any actual proof of

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understanding sources, citing
them, putting them into an

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argument, and writing long long
essays, I'd say you shouldn't be

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a history.
Teacher, OK, so they'll do that

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in the degree.
So that's fine, you'll be fine.

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OK.
But do you think they have to

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have out in the field, have
experience of done that as well?

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Or do you think doing it in a
degree like a business person

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would, they'll do a business
degree to teach business.

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Do not think that the degree
gives them the suitable level of

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experience of of of the doing.
Sure.

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But I right, but in the in the
degree of doing, but if you did

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business studies as a degree,
you've done the business, you

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would have done stuff that is
equivalent to running a

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business.
You would have.

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You would have learned
everything you need to learn

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about business itself and done
it.

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Good, that's fine, you get it.
But.

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They have done it then, so they
have done it, yeah.

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Yeah, because we've, I think
the, I think it was fair to

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establish that you have to have
had the degree to teach the

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subject anyway because that's
just not that's.

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Not true at the minute.
Is it not?

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No, that's the whole point In
secondary school, so many

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teachers, they're not got a
specialist in their subject.

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Yes.
Bat around.

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So.
So my point here is there just

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has to be minimum.
And again, look, there are loads

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for the business studies teacher
listening right now.

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They're like, what?
I've never run a business.

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Yeah.
Are you sure you can be great at

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your job, Right.
Because you've gone through the

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qualifications and the levels
and you've done it.

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You've still done it.
Yeah.

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You've still done the equivalent
of yeah, OK, Running a business

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means you have to do XYZ.
And I'm pretty sure on your

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business studies degree you
would have learned about XYZ and

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written essays about it and done
it.

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So let's go all the way back
then, because my whole point of

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this was business studies is not
different to other subjects.

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Yeah.
So all that food tech then like

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what?
What?

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What do you, what's the
equivalent?

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You don't do a degree in food
tech.

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Well, I think there is some sort
of qualification.

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A lot of people go to college.
I know my sister went to college

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and got qualification cooking
and they and they did and they

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did practical, practical cooking
because that was part of that.

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So what I was trying to say was
the bar is different for each

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one in terms of the things you
might do.

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Like it looks different, but
like in reality, like you don't

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like.
For cooking, you go and do your

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degree, you do cooking.
So I'm for business.

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You should do the business
stuff.

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Yeah, but you'll get it through
your degrees.

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But you should still do it.
Business studies don't have to

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put on a pedestal of like, no, I
never said that you have to have

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now run a business.
You did.

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Yeah, you have to now run a
business yourself.

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No, none of these jobs you need
to.

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It's good if you have.
Yeah, it's good.

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But you don't need to have been
a professional chef.

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You don't need to have been a
historian working for some

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historian.
I don't know the historical

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charter.
You know, you can like the the

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baseline qualification for that
role is is suitable.

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And I completely it's a
different argument to say that

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sometimes teachers are put into
roles where they don't have that

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qualification.
That's just across the board, I

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think, a problem.
Yeah.

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No, no, no.
But what I was not saying, I was

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not making the point that the
the qualification for the job is

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not enough, right?
I was.

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The point here is I'm saying
people do jobs without that

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qualification.
So I'm just making it a neutral

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thing.
Now whether you've done the

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qualification or not, there are
certain things I think you have

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to have at at a certain level to
be a teacher in that exact as a

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specialist in.
Degree, school, and that

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comparatively.
Right.

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And I'm just saying I just, I
don't think they are like, I

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just think that's what I'm
saying like in terms of business

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studies, whether you've done the
degree or not, there has to be a

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certain level where you have
done the things you're preaching

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about.
You have literally done them and

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understood them and and
practised them.

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And that's why if you haven't
got, of course, if you do a

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history degree, you've done all
the stuff I said you need to do.

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But if you haven't, I think you
have to be able to prove that

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you can do that before you're
you're good enough to be a

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history teacher.
So that's why I was 112.

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Yeah, sorry, back to the
episode.

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I forgot A roll of podcast
those.

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Yeah.
So those who can do.

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Yeah, those who can't go and get
a business degree teach

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business.
I've got nothing against by the

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way, I'm just going to say right
now this is great, but I'm just

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saying that that's kind of where
it comes from.

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That's the ultimate version is I
see a lot of business, which is

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yeah, to be fair, that's that's
in particular 1 and I and I

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think that there's a reason why
it's that one in particular,

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because if you know how to run a
really like, you know, if you

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know, yeah, yeah, yeah, same
thing.

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It makes it one.
You say.

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It's like, yeah, it.
And let me be really clear now

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as well, it is a different role.
And that's why we still need

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teachers to do it, right?
Completely, completely.

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Because you can still learn
about something without being

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excelling in that role.
Yeah.

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And that's where it comes from.
It's like, well, if you were the

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best at that, you wouldn't be
teaching it.

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That's true.
If you were the best at running

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a business, you wouldn't be
doing business studies.

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Yeah.
If you were the best at teaching

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cooking, you wouldn't be
teaching it in a secondary

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school, you'd be.
You'd be off that.

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You'd be off teaching chefs how
to cook.

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Yeah, Yeah, right.
If you weren't the best

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mathematician, you wouldn't be
in a secondary school teaching

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maths.
You'd be off applying your maths

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to something.
Yeah.

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So.
So there is a semblance of truth

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here.
I just think it completely

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disregards the whole profession.
That's really important that we

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need.
And as a teacher myself, that's

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why I just like it doesn't even
know it.

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Just ignore it.
I'm just like, yeah, yeah,

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you're an idiot.
They're different things.

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Exactly that, 100% I, I think
that's really true.

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The semblance of understanding
why that, why that analogy came

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about.
But ultimately, like, some

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people also just want to teach.
Yeah.

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And it's like, and to
completely, like, make them feel

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like crap over this.
It's just so like some people

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legitimately are like, I want to
go and get this degree because I

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really want to be a teacher and
I like this subject.

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I'm going to marry them
together.

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And I want to teach that subject
to kids.

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And like, that's completely
legitimate.

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Like we shouldn't just some.
Of my favourite teachers were my

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food tech teachers and I'd never
dream of even questioning them

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for a second because they were
with young children teaching

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them how to cook, which is
what's an important life skill.

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Yeah, it's vital.
Well, you're, if you're already

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good, you'd be in the Michelin
star restaurant teaching the

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chefs how to do it.
But they're not.

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They're here because it's
helpful, so.

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And, and, and also, I don't even
want to do that.

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Yeah, exactly.
Some people it's legitimate as

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well to be like, yeah, I
probably, it'd be, it would

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actually be legitimate for
someone to be in a position

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where it's like they are
actually qualified enough to do

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that and they just don't want to
do it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And be like, that's not even

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unheard of.
Like you could be good enough to

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go and work that, but I don't
want to.

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It's a horrendous environment.
I'd rather just be here

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completely.
Anyway, next one ready.

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Go on.
I'll do it.

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I pay your salary, so I have
control and my point of view is

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important.
And I pay your bloody salary.

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So you listen to me, Mr I pay
your bloody salary.

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Like a 300 for me is it?
I find it a little bit

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triggering when it comes to the
context of all of the.

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Stuff you just said.
I think just saying I pay your

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salary is like is like.
Mine's mine's zero.

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Yeah.
But OK, the whole context of

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this is that the people teaching
so 703 for me. 703 yeah, really.

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Why is it so high for you?
Because it's, it's such a sense

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of entitlement, as if everyone
doesn't pay for everyone.

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Yeah, as if for some reason,
because it's from taxpayer

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money, like.
Oh, Now, therefore you're my

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servant and you shall do exactly
what I say.

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No, I'm sorry.
I'm the specialist.

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Shut up.
Doesn't matter where this comes

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from.
Sure.

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Yeah, OK.
You pay great.

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I could just pretend that my mum
pays for me and not you.

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There you go.
I could walk into a shop and

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spend £300 and then tell the
person exactly I pay your salary

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because I contributed a tiny
amount of that salary.

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That's my point.
That's exactly my point.

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Because even in the private
sector, yes, everyone pays

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someone's salary.
Yeah.

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So your customers pay the
customer's always, right?

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Yeah, but I'm pretty sure in
your own job as well, you get

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annoyed when customers say that
to nonsense.

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Yeah, that's similar, isn't it?
The customer was right.

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And I pay your salary.
That's the same part.

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Well, I'm a paying customer
here.

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Sure.
Why don't you necking?

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No, because you are wrong.
Still, I pay your salary.

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What's your point?
Because the only point they make

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when they say I pay your salary
is therefore you're below me.

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Yeah, I pay your salary.
So you better wound your necking

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and listen to what I've got to
say.

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Because I pay your salary.
There's no no one's saying this

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going.
I pay your salary.

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That's brilliant.
That's nice, isn't it?

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They're only doing this as a way
to try and belittle you.

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Yeah.
And put them on a pedestal above

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you.
So listen to me and then and and

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then who says this to you if
someone says it's you from an

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insurance company?
Well, yeah, I pay your salary,

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mate.
I've got house insurance and car

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insurance and home insurance.
Yeah, home and house insurance

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double paying.
But yeah, I pay your salary as

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well.
What's your point?

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I'm paid to deliver a role as a
specialist.

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Shut up.
Yeah, I'm not going to come into

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your job and tell you how to do
the insurance.

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Probably you do Probably.
If you're doing it really badly,

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maybe I'll have an opinion, but
I also don't know that much

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about insurance, so I'm going to
just leave it to you.

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Yeah, it.
Seems like a scammer, don't it?

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Yeah, I'm going to pay
insurance.

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And if I ever want to take money
out, you're going to put my

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insurance up massively to cover
the cost.

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Oh, it's it sounds like I'm just
paying you money every month.

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Yeah.
What we need to do is think of

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comebacks for every single job
that's in the same line as that.

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I pay a salary that's a do we
just need to have something?

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Do you know what I mean?
Have you always wanted to be a

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scam artist to an insurance
broker?

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Don't really think that, by the
way.

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So please don't get annoyed.
But like, I don't think it was.

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I don't think people want to be
a scam artist, but I think

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insurance.
Is no, I think they just enable

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it through taking a salary from
them and get get get paid in

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Commission.
Yeah, the more they RIP someone.

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Off Well I think you enable left
woke beta male teachers.

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You'll love something that's
coming up later.

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Propaganda.
You'll love one of those.

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We'll go.
Later in this.

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All right, we'll stick around
for that one.

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We're not going to.
Do it right now so in 10 months

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you're hooked in.
I pay salary, piss off.

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Yeah, bet 9.
Yeah, BET9700700. 3 isn't that

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one?
Then how do you feel about this

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one?
Go on, working 9:00 to 3:00 and

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having every weekend off must be
wow nice.

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It's lovely, thank you.
It's lovely.

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And you pay it for me.
Yeah, crazy.

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You only work.
For me, thanks for paying me.

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I have to buddy work 8 till 5
and I don't get every weekend.

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I don't get how many weeks
holiday do you?

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Get Wait a minute, it sounds
like you would love teaching.

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Yeah, yeah, come.
Along my God's a reaction

456
00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,400
working night to free and having
every weekend off again.

457
00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,960
Personally this doesn't annoy me
anymore because I just think

458
00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,160
it's just complete nonsense.
To me this is like a 207 really.

459
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,120
It triggers me more.
You know, I think that's like

460
00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,960
500 in the middle, really.
Maybe 501 go one side.

461
00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,880
Yeah, 501.
Closer to complete mental

462
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,120
breakdown.
Yeah, yeah, I suppose because I

463
00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,320
just, it really irritates me
that someone can have such a

464
00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,440
misunderstanding of the role of
teaching and say it so

465
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,120
nonchalantly.
And I was like, shut up.

466
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,400
I just want to say shut up, you
know, what are you thick?

467
00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:07,400
That's what I want to say to
those people.

468
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,400
You can't because you've got to
come rude.

469
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,400
I can't have the podcast,
obviously.

470
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,480
To every single one of them.
Of course.

471
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:10,839
Of course.
Yeah.

472
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:11,839
Because you don't see them.
Yeah.

473
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,200
Just come down much later.
Exactly.

474
00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,359
Feel like you're saying it to
What are you going to do 9 till

475
00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,839
3 every weekend off?
Like, why are you making such a

476
00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:19,599
presumption?
Yeah.

477
00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:23,319
And also like it shows how
ignorant you are because

478
00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,880
honestly, 10 seconds off just
looking into this first of all

479
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,360
shows you that no one's even
doing contact time 9 till three.

480
00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,760
It's like half 8 till 3:15
anyway.

481
00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:35,920
Oh, it's only 45 minutes I
thought.

482
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,440
Yeah, it just goes to show you
already wrong.

483
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,360
Even if it was just contact time
that teachers did, which isn't

484
00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,800
we can go into the whole thing.
You're just already wrong.

485
00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,640
And it anyone who says something
like this doesn't actually care

486
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,680
about the truth.
They they can't care about the

487
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,240
truth because it would be so
easy to debunk what they're

488
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,360
saying as nonsense that if they
haven't debunked it themselves,

489
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,440
they don't care and they don't
want to know, which I think is

490
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,160
why I'm less triggered by it
because I'm just like, oh, you

491
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,480
are just a complete moron.
There is nothing we can do.

492
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,080
And when like what gets me as
some, as you know, we've got

493
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,360
social media now.
It's actually a Facebook

494
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:10,760
comment.
By the way, we've got like

495
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,440
55,000 followers on Facebook.
I don't go on Facebook.

496
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,680
So if you're from Facebook,
Hello, cheers.

497
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,880
Yeah, thank you.
It just cross posts but every

498
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,520
now and then I'll go on just to
check, just to see.

499
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:21,800
Yeah, what's going on in the
comments?

500
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,880
And there was a comment along
this line, but it was within,

501
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,960
there was like hundreds of
comments in this row we did.

502
00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,920
And the vast majority of
obviously teachers going like,

503
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600
it's ridiculous.
I, I get in at half seven every

504
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,760
day and leave at 5:00 and I
still have stuff to do in the

505
00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,760
evening or at the weekend along
those lines of like, oh, a

506
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,880
person doing the job who's
experienced it, who's just

507
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,800
telling you what they do
hundreds of individual times on

508
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:43,480
their own.
Yeah.

509
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,560
And someone commented going, oh,
it's just nonsense.

510
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,800
I know a teacher only works
there.

511
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,200
It's 9 till three, Like, oh,
well, it's so easy.

512
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,480
Like what you're moaning about.
I'm like, there, there are

513
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,400
hundreds of examples as to why
you're wrong around this comment

514
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,800
that you put in and you still
hold on to it like, well, I

515
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,120
think this and I'm the main
character in life, aren't I?

516
00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,000
So what I say goes, you're wrong
and an idiot.

517
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:10,040
Yeah, people that use their
very, very limited pool of

518
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,200
examples of of anything to
justify their entire thought

519
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,480
process or something that is is
baffles me always.

520
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,800
Can I link this to another one
then?

521
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,840
Because this is another one that
we get, maybe we can rate it as

522
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,000
well.
But it's, it's very much linked

523
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,120
to what I've kind of gone on to
here.

524
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,800
Yeah, I know you a teacher who's
lazy, so you all must be.

525
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,440
That is it, isn't it my?
Brother's a teacher and he gets

526
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,920
in at 8 and leaves at 3:15 every
single day and doesn't do any

527
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,160
work.
OK.

528
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,720
That's do you know what it could
be true, yeah, but.

529
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,440
Probably.
Probably.

530
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,440
I'm sure.
Of course there'd be someone

531
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,080
like that.
Yeah.

532
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,840
Of.
Course, but then it's like, so

533
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,200
you're all lazy.
You know what you're moaning

534
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,080
about you.
Can do that or even not you're

535
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,080
all lazy.
So I don't know what you're all

536
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,120
doing wrong, right.
You could all do this right, but

537
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,040
as if the bar then gets to be
like that's too low in terms of

538
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,680
like I can always guarantee if
you're getting, if you're just

539
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,080
going in precisely for contact
time stuff's not getting done.

540
00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,520
I'm sorry, it's not, it's not.
I'd be blown away, someone said.

541
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,120
Someone show me a good example
of teacher really fulfilling

542
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,840
that full potential of their
role and doing those out is not

543
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,880
possible.
No, it's not.

544
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,320
That doesn't even do you know
what actually it goes against

545
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,600
the contract.
Yeah, you have to.

546
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,080
Because the contract literally
says directed time and

547
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,440
reasonable hours outside the
whole reasonable things where we

548
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,360
argue a lot.
Yeah, So we have to do

549
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,480
something.
You've got to do something.

550
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,880
So that person's just not even.
They're just not.

551
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,400
You're glorifying someone just
not even doing the job properly.

552
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,800
Yeah, that's not doing us any
favours as teachers.

553
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,720
Yeah, let's not set the bar of
don't do the job properly,

554
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,480
right.
That's like saying, Oh my mate,

555
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,840
the worst insurance, he only
works from 9:00 to 11:00.

556
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,280
Yeah, his contract is 9 till
five.

557
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,040
He just decides to go home early
and using that as the bar to set

558
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,160
to all other insurance brokers.
Like, yeah, he does 2 hours a

559
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,200
day.
What are you lot doing get?

560
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:39,960
Scamming.
Come on.

561
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,520
Yeah.
Come on, you're putting on

562
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,640
unnecessary works.
No, he's just leaving early.

563
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,960
Yeah, he's breaking his
contract.

564
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,040
I get something similar and it
actually triggers me.

565
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,120
This is off the list.
I'm gonna add something to it

566
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,120
because it's the other way
around.

567
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,000
It's not from a teacher hater.
I get a lot from teachers who

568
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,200
will say something like I saw a
video, I can't remember who it

569
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,240
was, I can't remember who it
was, but I'm not trying to dig

570
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,880
anyone out.
But it was a video and it

571
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,760
annoyed me because the video was
a little known fact about

572
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760
teaching.
Teachers are, are only paid for

573
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,040
their directed time and anything
they do extra is not paid for

574
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,120
and it's extra work that they
shouldn't be doing, right?

575
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,440
And I was like, you are wrong,
but you are wrong.

576
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,360
We, we, we spend 99% of our time
defending teachers and saying

577
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,880
lots of go above and beyond.
But anyone who says teachers are

578
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,200
only paid for directed time and
therefore should only do

579
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,760
directed time are wrong.
Yeah, because it it could not be

580
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,840
more clear in the contract and
we can talk about whether we

581
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,280
think the contracts are
ridiculous or not and we can

582
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,360
have a really good conversation.
And I think we probably agree

583
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,280
that that little bit in the
contract which says you need to

584
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,360
do your director time and
additional reasonable hours is

585
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,200
nonsense because it's vague, but
it does exist.

586
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,560
It is in there.
It is in there.

587
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,720
So when you say like teachers
work extra for free, we actually

588
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,880
don't.
Like part of our salary is

589
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,600
director time plus another part
of our salary is reasonable

590
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520
extra hours.
And that's involved in the

591
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,880
payment.
So it it, it's not helpful when

592
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,320
people say just do directed time
and then go home.

593
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800
And that'll teach them that
isn't your contract.

594
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,920
You know what would be helpful?
And this is where I think we

595
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,960
need to all get on the same
page, directed time.

596
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,240
And then we all define
reasonable together.

597
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,920
And even if we just say it's one
hour a day that that would

598
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,320
quickly get eaten up because it
could be in lunchtime, which is

599
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,680
not directed time, could be
after school, which when you do

600
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,000
marking or a bit of extra
planning when PPA overruns.

601
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,240
Yeah.
Or in the morning, if we all

602
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,560
agree.
Yeah, whatever it might be, if

603
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,880
we all agree let's do an hour
extra, that is then definitely

604
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,040
within the contract.
It also says in the contract, no

605
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,000
one else can dictate to you what
reasonable is.

606
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,200
Yeah, so they can't say that's
not reasonable.

607
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,280
You can say, well actually look
at my contract, yeah, it says

608
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,440
reasonable hours and you can't
be dictated to what reasonable

609
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,400
hours are.
And I'm pretty sure the number 5

610
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,280
is ours.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

611
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,200
I've done five of them, Yeah.
And I've said it's reasonable.

612
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,200
And actually, do you know what
my whole colleague circle has as

613
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:52,680
well?
Yeah.

614
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,920
And we're all doing one hour
extra and then we go off.

615
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,200
That's good.
Yeah.

616
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,440
So that triggers me the other
way.

617
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,440
And it doesn't help when you get
people who are saying things

618
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200
like, oh, it's nice just working
direct to time, isn't it?

619
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,040
And then you also get teachers
saying, yeah, let's just do

620
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,280
that.
Let's just get some kind of

621
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,640
middle ground, please.
Yeah, good one, good one.

622
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,760
Next one.
Most of what you teach is

623
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,200
pointless.
Interesting that one.

624
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,400
Doesn't trigger me.
No, I was going to say that.

625
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,640
That genuinely doesn't trigger
me.

626
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,280
Someone said that to me.
I'd be like, OK, let's talk

627
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,360
about that.
Excuse me?

628
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,520
It's not pointless.
Thank you and I shall go back to

629
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,280
teaching the active passive
voice.

630
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,480
Yeah, I'll be doing a rivers to
be fair, but.

631
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,680
Fair enough.
Well, I think I think Rivers is

632
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,120
less pointless than active
voice.

633
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,880
OK, God's sake.
Here's where it does trigger me

634
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,720
right, is when people use
examples where I don't think

635
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,560
it's pointless when there's
particularly when it comes to

636
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,760
like maths or core subjects and
they say, they say teach them

637
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,400
that particular insert math
thing is pointless because they

638
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040
won't use that.
I've never used Pythagoras when

639
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,520
I've been older.
People love that one.

640
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
I haven't.
Yeah.

641
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,680
No, I haven't.
I've.

642
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,240
Used it to solve logic puzzles.
There you go in my.

643
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Own free time.
Completely necessary.

644
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,680
I just think there's deeper
pedagogy, of course, problem

645
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,160
solver.
There is deeper pedagogy too.

646
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Why we do all the things we do
in in terms of in maths if we're

647
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,320
talking about to my maths.
Well, I don't use Pythagoras

648
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040
before, no, but let's just think
the logical process of

649
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,000
understanding how to go about
something and going about a

650
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,480
problem and not getting the
right answer, then trying again

651
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720
and then understanding certain
rule set and then applying that.

652
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,160
You do that all the time.
Yeah.

653
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,000
And honestly, right.
If we actually stopped at where

654
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,400
the general bar is in terms of
what you might need for just

655
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,560
general, very, very basics in
jobs.

656
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,640
Let's stop at you too then.
Yeah.

657
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,760
What?
Oh, yeah.

658
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,680
I don't.
I also, I don't use triangles in

659
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,680
my job.
OK, cool.

660
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,920
When I teach kids about
triangles, I don't.

661
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,040
Yeah, I don't use that.
I don't use year 6 algebra.

662
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,200
Yeah.
So you probably do, by the way.

663
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800
Yeah, because algebra is
probably the most right In my

664
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,840
opinion, algebra is the most
widely used, but.

665
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,760
People think that though because
because they don't see in their

666
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320
life.
May plus, that's my point.

667
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,360
My point is that it's the most
abstract thing when you just

668
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,080
look at it as a whole and easy
to say you never use it.

669
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,320
Yeah, but actually you probably
use that way more than knowing

670
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,280
what a dodecahedron is.
Yeah, so, but let's go back to

671
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,400
the actual point and what's
triggering most of what you

672
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,680
teach is pointless.
I have an issue with the word

673
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,960
most because if I think about my
primary school timetable, well,

674
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,440
half it's English and math
straightaway, and then the

675
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,200
afternoons are art.
Not pointless.

676
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,880
Yeah.
Not pointless to teach art, of

677
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,920
course.
Not pointless.

678
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,720
Yeah.
What do you mean?

679
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Are you defining a point by it
can make me money in a job that

680
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,000
I'm going in?
The job specifically only I want

681
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,280
as well.
That's not even about everyone

682
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,480
else.
So from year 2 we should put

683
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,000
everyone in the box like
engineer, Carpenter, TikTok

684
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,320
influencer, YouTube footballer
and they only learn and they

685
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,120
only do that.
Like I'm obviously not like like

686
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:37,920
so when it says most I'm like
it's just not.

687
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,960
Yeah, that I feel like people
will use the word pointless

688
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,760
retrospectively, right.
Exclusively that Yeah, it's like

689
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,720
OK when I'm.
A Pythagoras professor?

690
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,360
Yeah.
Do you, like, use it all the

691
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,520
time?
Yeah, Actually, I'm a business

692
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,440
studies teacher.
Yeah.

693
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Uses business studies called
constantly.

694
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,560
It's like, OK, we can all
retrospectively when we're 40

695
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280
and we're kind of deep rooted
into a job or career, whatever,

696
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,080
go back and go for a checklist
of everything we they ever

697
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,760
learned at school and be like,
oh, I didn't use that, that,

698
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960
that, that and that.
But to suggest that we can then

699
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,240
go back in time and tell people
like, well, don't do these

700
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,200
things because that going to be
pointless for you is absurd.

701
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Yeah.
And like, you could look, you

702
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,520
could look back at it.
You're absolutely right, because

703
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,640
I could look back at what I did.
And there were lots of people

704
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,160
who say something like, drama is
pointless.

705
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Yeah.
And like, if you actually look

706
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,600
at my job, like you could
probably say, Oh yeah, it's

707
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,040
pointless because you're not an
actor.

708
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,880
But really it was the opposite
of that.

709
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,800
Yeah.
It really helped me in general

710
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320
just build confidence.
And then that has gone on to

711
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,400
build me up in other ways where
I could put on a show for the

712
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,840
children and teach and do things
like this and social media

713
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,360
videos and, you know, talk on a
podcast.

714
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,320
Exactly.
So I think it's just, it's

715
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,960
never, you know, A to B, like
you don't use this exact

716
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,480
Pythagoras theorem that you
learn, therefore that's

717
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,960
pointless.
It's like there's, there's so

718
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,640
many nodes and strands that come
off learning things like that.

719
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,360
Yeah.
Which in the long run impact you

720
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,400
positively, even in the way that
isn't naturally, you know, abyss

721
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,280
straight away.
Definitely, definitely.

722
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,200
So what did we give?
Did we give that on a rating?

723
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,600
I felt like we didn't.
What was it again?

724
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,760
Most of it.
Most of it.

725
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,480
The teachers might not because I
think be really honest, I think

726
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,960
quite a bit is pointless.
Yeah, yeah, I do.

727
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,920
I I I've said before I've I've
stood in front of a class

728
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,400
knowing this is the lesson I
have to teach and thought why am

729
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560
I doing this?
But does that, does that just

730
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,400
break our analogy of like, you
think it's pointless because you

731
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,880
don't think any of those kids?
Are going to do that thing?

732
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,160
No, no, because because I'm I'm
looking at the.

733
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,160
My point here is that I know my
class.

734
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,120
I'm in front of them and I know
that actually I could just read

735
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,240
a story to them and there'd be
other people who say that's

736
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,600
pointless, okay.
But for my class right now,

737
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,360
actually, it would just be so
much better for them just to get

738
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,960
engrossed in this story.
And yeah, okay, I can't decide

739
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,160
what isn't pointless, but it
doesn't mean just because it's

740
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,440
hard to individually say that
the the the end point of your

741
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520
logic is nothing is pointless
then because it might be good

742
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280
for one person.
Yeah, yeah, I do think some

743
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,120
stuff's pointless.
OK, I think pointless is a

744
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,240
really strong word.
I think maybe maybe the word

745
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,640
pointless isn't right.
OK, what we're talking about

746
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840
better stuff I could priority.
I'm thinking priorities,

747
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,160
genuinely.
Yeah, some stuff is.

748
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,000
It just shouldn't be the
priority right now.

749
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,320
Like it's in fact it's so low on
the list.

750
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,360
It's not pointless because there
might be 1 kid who likes this

751
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,800
thing, but it's significantly
lower than all these other

752
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,800
things.
I think that's probably where

753
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,000
I'm trying to.
Get yeah, no, that's fine.

754
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,160
That, that, that makes way more
sense, yeah.

755
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,480
All right, another one ready.
All teachers do is just complain

756
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,400
and moan online.
Pretty much, yeah, it's true.

757
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,600
And zero.
Yeah, no rage right there.

758
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Yeah, I can't really argue with
the fact that every reel we ever

759
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,760
put out, the ones that go viral
are the ones that where we're

760
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200
moaning about something.
So clearly people like it.

761
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,240
It's not all we ever do.
I'm actually going to do a quick

762
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,760
call out for a couple of people
not call out, shout out, call

763
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,640
out.
Sounds like I'm calling them out

764
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,880
for doing something bad.
They're not they're doing

765
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040
something good positive.
We've we've, we've watched them

766
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,800
for a while while I have anyway,
because you don't do social

767
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
media really.
And I like their content.

768
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,520
It's very positive.
It's like day in life.

769
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,560
Here's what we got up to.
It's like very upbeat.

770
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,720
So like it kind of goes against
what we're saying of social

771
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,160
media in, in general.
Absolutely.

772
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,720
Kind of like a negative money
place.

773
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,400
And we met them at the National
Literary Trust Gala that we

774
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,560
were.
That's a mouthful, isn't it?

775
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Yeah, that is that we were
invited to because that's 4

776
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,800
takes before this.
We had to stop because you're.

777
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Gonna be saying Natural History
Museum, National Literary Trust.

778
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240
We met them at the at the gala
and it was Mr we met Mr

779
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,800
Hallahan, we met the Geordie
teacher and a bunch of loads and

780
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120
loads of people are there.
And but those two I've

781
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
personally followed for a long
time and they're just really

782
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,400
positive, Yeah, really positive
outlook on the job.

783
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,160
And it's really nice to see.
And it is unfortunate that, you

784
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,320
know, no go turbotry is seen as
booming.

785
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,760
Honest, honestly, I do think
there's a there's a scope here

786
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,760
just to grow up a bit, you know,
in what way, in the way of that.

787
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,200
If you just see someone
complaining about something, No,

788
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,360
it's realism.
It's being realistic.

789
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,120
If something's broken, we use
our platform to talk about it so

790
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800
other people can realise that
it's not just them experiencing

791
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,960
this.
Yeah, actually, it's a

792
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,720
widespread thing.
They don't usually need to

793
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,800
internalise whatever it is
that's awful.

794
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920
They need to understand everyone
else is going through it as

795
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,360
well.
Not only is that shared

796
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,040
experience genuinely, in my
opinion, enough to justify doing

797
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,640
it, but then on top of it you
can provide solutions on what

798
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,120
you can do to help.
Yeah, definitely.

799
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,800
So I, I think it's, it's
realism.

800
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Mr P did a real recently about
about this thing or people.

801
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,080
People say, oh, you're moaning
online, etcetera.

802
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,040
It's like, well, no, I just use
my platform to talk about things

803
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,320
I think are important.
Yeah.

804
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,080
And when I say grow up, I mean,
there are some people out there

805
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,600
who just think this isn't all
lovely and roses and and smell

806
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,560
like daisies and fantastic.
So it's bad.

807
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520
You shouldn't be doing this.
It's bad for the profession.

808
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,240
I just think they need to grow
up a bit.

809
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Right, OK, They think that we
should glaze the profession.

810
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640
We shouldn't talk about the
negative things because being

811
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,480
moany and negative is worse than
truth.

812
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,640
Completely.
And I was like, it's just

813
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,240
realistic.
And you know, Omar, who did the

814
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600
episode with unofficial
teacher's manual, the author,

815
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,200
that book.
Yeah, yeah.

816
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,280
He did a comment actually and
tagged us.

817
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,080
And his comment was basically
like to Mr P was saying if

818
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,360
you're negative, then so am I.
And so I teach the repeat.

819
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,440
Yeah, yeah.
But and then his whole comment

820
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960
was about how it's not negative.
It it doesn't.

821
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Just because something isn't
nice doesn't mean it's a bad

822
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,800
thing to talk about.
I think it can be good to share

823
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,520
those things.
So.

824
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,400
So when someone says all
teachers do is mine online,

825
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,480
you've been very vocal before of
saying you think that the

826
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,560
interpretation of the job is
really important.

827
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,040
So do you think that we go too
far?

828
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,120
I I don't think so.
I don't think we go too far.

829
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560
I think criticism and moaning
also just get completely banded

830
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,840
together as if there's no
difference.

831
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,240
Like as if we can't critique
something without just oh,

832
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,680
negative moaning teachers is
like, can you just listen to the

833
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,080
critique I just gave and said
like and just see if you agree

834
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,000
with him.
We have a talk about it

835
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,720
discussion.
Like it doesn't have to just

836
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
boil down to oh, just moaning
about nothing.

837
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,800
Well, actually, there was a
valid point that I was talking

838
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,560
about.
Sometimes we do moan, everyone

839
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200
moans and sometimes it's a scale
that moaning might be less

840
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,480
justified.
You're just having a bad day and

841
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,160
you moan about something that
really isn't that bad on your

842
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
day at work or whatever.
That is good old classic

843
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,000
moaning.
But most of the time though,

844
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
it's not that.
And the only thing I'd say like

845
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
with us that just gets me a
little bit is just, is purely

846
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,800
the fact that online when it
comes to clips and reels and

847
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,520
things like that, I, I think
because the, the critiquing

848
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,160
negative Emoni ones, whatever
you want to call it, generally

849
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,240
do better and go more viral and
people listen to them longer.

850
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,400
I worry that people get the
interpretation that we have

851
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,120
nothing positive to say because
they're not the people that

852
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,440
aren't.
If you're consuming our long

853
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,840
form podcast, I think I like to
think that we're quite fair and

854
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,480
we have we talk about a lot of
positive things, but I do worry

855
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,560
sometimes it panics me that
people are just does it panic

856
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,240
you not not panic.
I just, well, it does it in a

857
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800
way because I because I care
about what the way I come

858
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,040
across.
That's my point.

859
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,800
You seem to care more about that
representation.

860
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440
Yeah, I do care about it.
I think it's important to me.

861
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,000
I guess self, just me,
selfishly.

862
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,040
So I wouldn't want people to
form an opinion because they've

863
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
watched seventeen of our reels
and they just happened to all be

864
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,880
things that they just think
maybe are just on the scale of

865
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,960
money, some inconsequential,
some more consequential.

866
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's hard.

867
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960
It's hard on social media
because it's not a case of it's

868
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,440
not even a case of if you follow
us, you see every video we post.

869
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Yeah, it's not how it works.
No, it's just not how it works.

870
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Like we we can put a video out
there that will genuinely get

871
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,680
3000 views, right?
Got nearly 70,000 followers.

872
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,080
You'll get like 3000 views.
We'll put another video out

873
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,480
there that will get a million.
Views.

874
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Yeah.
Mental.

875
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,320
So it's it's you know, it's
almost like followers is

876
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,000
becoming like a vanity metric
online where actually, you know,

877
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,040
it's just what people watch and
and listen to and go all the way

878
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,560
through about skipping past.
Yeah, the algorithm learns that

879
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,600
it's something people are
watching.

880
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,960
It pushes it out there even
more.

881
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Exactly.
So, you know, absolutely

882
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,800
someone's experience of us
online could just be our six

883
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,920
most watched podcast clips,
which I can probably guarantee

884
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,360
are.
I was going this thing in

885
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,280
education is just completely
broken.

886
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,840
I can think of one that we still
get likes for all the time, 2

887
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,040
rather that we did recently.
One was about how you have to

888
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520
accept you're letting your kids
down as a teacher because the

889
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,360
system's broken, and to get
through it and not be broken by

890
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,560
the system you just have to
accept that you personally can't

891
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560
do enough.
And the other one was about how

892
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,280
teaching assistants pay is
dreadful on paper.

893
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,640
Right, and this is where I kind
of disagree with you.

894
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,480
They are both negative things.
The the teaching system is

895
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,880
completely broken.
You let your kids down all the

896
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,520
time.
The pay is disgraceful for

897
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,720
teaching assistants.
They're exploited.

898
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,960
They are, they are negative
things, right?

899
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,720
I don't care if that's the only
two things people see from us

900
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,840
because I put it out there for a
reason, because I want people to

901
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,440
see it.
So if if they're looking at

902
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,280
going, oh, these guys are always
bloody negative, that's I don't

903
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,880
see it as a problem.
I see it as a them problem.

904
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,440
So I don't care if you think
that because I think they're two

905
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,199
really important messages to get
across that I thoroughly believe

906
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,000
in.
So it doesn't bother me.

907
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,840
Like if things are being pushed
out there, it's because they're,

908
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,400
it's because people want to
watch it.

909
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,880
It's because people are
literally consuming it.

910
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,639
It only gets pushed out there if
people are taking it in and

911
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,719
reading it.
And most of the time they're

912
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,320
completely agreeing with us.
So if someone, my point here is

913
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,480
if someone looks at it and goes,
why are you so negative?

914
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,600
I'm like, mate, that's a you
problem.

915
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,040
It's not negativity, it's
realism, and it's what a lot of

916
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,400
people want to hear.
OK, so rating then.

917
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,800
So if I find because of my
personal reaction to it, which

918
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,719
is clearly very different to
yours, I find when people talk

919
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,679
about all teachers do is moan
and complain like that really

920
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,000
gets me.
That's like 800 and 851 like.

921
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,639
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like 7.
Yeah, really down there.

922
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,239
That didn't bother me, like,
like because I'm like, yeah, we

923
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,320
do that.
What would annoy me is go on to

924
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,280
be like, if someone said you
should only talk about positive

925
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,400
stuff.
Yeah, 1000.

926
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,760
I just find it undermines
everything.

927
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,360
It's all if someone, when
someone comes to the conclusion

928
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,720
that all teachers do is moan and
complain online, it just, it

929
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,640
annoys me so much because it
because it undermines every

930
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120
single valid argument and point
people are trying to make about

931
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,960
teachers because it's all just
banded together now and that's

932
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,480
just what they think.
And that annoys me that someone

933
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,000
comes to that conclusion.
That's an M problem.

934
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,400
Though, I know, but it really
frustrates me that they get to

935
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,840
that conclusion.
It's not.

936
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,840
It's not.
But like, we wouldn't be making

937
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,600
these videos if we weren't
trying to change people's minds

938
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,400
and make a bit of a difference.
Like so that the idea that

939
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,560
someone's immediately closed off
to it really pisses me off.

940
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,200
But I don't think those people
would be or not because those

941
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
people will see positive and go.
I've seen people before going,

942
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,840
oh finally at last you're not
bashing SLT.

943
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,880
It's like at no point was I
bashing all SLT.

944
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Like people have these, they
already formed these.

945
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,520
You could have the most clear
video in the world saying people

946
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,800
in leadership who are toxic and
do this thing are bad people and

947
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,280
there would still be someone who
goes you hate SLT.

948
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,120
You're a dead brain because it's
not what I said and it's not my

949
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,360
responsibility.
I can't be more clear than the

950
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,320
video I posted.
If you comment something

951
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
underneath that is just
literally not what I said in the

952
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,360
video.
That's just, it's not a me

953
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,840
problem.
Yeah, if someone just thinks

954
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600
like, oh, it's just so negative
all the time, you can think

955
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,440
that.
That's fine.

956
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,280
It's not my responsibility to
make you not think that.

957
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Whatever.
I don't care.

958
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,400
Still triggers me though.
Yeah, still trigger me.

959
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,760
That's fine.
So.

960
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Here's another one.
This one's a very good one.

961
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Get a different job if it's that
bad.

962
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,720
OK, this triggers me.
Yeah, District, this is like

963
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,240
874.
Wow, nearly the 9 hundreds.

964
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,200
No, it triggers me a lot because
I know how much of a problem it

965
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
is that we are haemorrhaging
teachers like so.

966
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,520
So when people say why don't you
just leave, it's like a double

967
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,320
whammy.
Yeah, yeah.

968
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,840
It's like, firstly, you're an
idiot if you think you can't

969
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
complain about something without
getting to the point of leaving.

970
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,040
And actually when I was
teaching, I was complaining

971
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200
about it a lot because I wanted
it to change, because I didn't

972
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,760
want to leave.
The the goal of me talking about

973
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,560
it was that I did not end up
leaving.

974
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,040
So when someone says why don't
you just leave, it annoys me

975
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,960
because I'm like, I know I could
just leave.

976
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,200
I don't want to.
That's the point.

977
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,400
That's why I'm saying it's bad
and why they can fix things

978
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,320
because there are very, there
are lots of redeemable things

979
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,280
about teaching.
There's loads of things that

980
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,160
piss me off about teaching.
So I'm going to talk about them

981
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,960
because I want to stay.
And then the double whammy is

982
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,880
why don't you just leave?
Lots of people are and I also

983
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,920
want to stop them from doing
that, which is why I'm doing it.

984
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Just why I'm talking about it.
So it's like it really

985
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,200
triggered.
Me there is 1/3 whammy to this,

986
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,960
which is something you said a
lot, so I'm surprised you didn't

987
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,360
say it right then.
Is that so many people to them

988
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,280
Like they're you saying that
it's just like they're thinking,

989
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,240
yeah, I want to and I literally
just can't exactly.

990
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,160
I can't like not everyone.
Like it's so silly to just think

991
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,720
that everyone can just up and
silly, silly.

992
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,040
I can just up and leave their
job because I don't like this

993
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,240
anymore.
I'm quitting tomorrow.

994
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,560
So come on.
Like the reality for most normal

995
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,040
working people is you cannot do
that.

996
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,360
You're tied into a mortgage or
rent or somewhere.

997
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,720
You can't just take some crazy
financial risk like that.

998
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,520
Some people can.
That's great.

999
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,720
Yeah, cool.
A lot of people can't.

1000
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,680
And you just saying why don't
you just quit then is really not

1001
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,160
helpful as you.
Make the answer and the answer

1002
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,760
because I've got a mortgage
bills.

1003
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Yeah, yeah.
So it's a job between those

1004
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,480
three things.
I agree.

1005
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,920
By the way, I find this, it's
really tricky.

1006
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,840
And why don't you just quit?
It's just so like for those

1007
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,720
three reasons, it's just so
wrong.

1008
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,360
I'm like, come on, Like just
think about what you're saying a

1009
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120
bit more.
Do you want everyone to quit?

1010
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's always my favourite.

1011
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,240
Well, I had this, I had this
argument with my stepdad years

1012
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,960
ago, right.
Like we, we always debate about

1013
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,360
running stuff like this and
you'll never be on my real dad.

1014
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Yeah, that doesn't end up like
that.

1015
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,880
But he was like, Oh yeah, you're
just, I think we're actually

1016
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:25,920
talking about nurses at the
time.

1017
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,400
And then it kind of went on to
teachers as well.

1018
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Were you a teacher at this
point?

1019
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.

1020
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,880
I think it went on to you.
Yeah, yeah.

1021
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,040
I think it was around the time
of like nurse strikes and

1022
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,080
teachers strikes and public,
just public service strikes.

1023
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680
And it was all up in the air.
And he's like, oh, do you know

1024
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,600
what?
If the job's that bad, just go

1025
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,240
and get another one.
And it just, I hate that

1026
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,600
argument so much.
I'm like, cool, OK, imagine if

1027
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,240
everyone took your advice.
Imagine if they all just did

1028
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,520
that.
What what the hospital was going

1029
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,400
to run by fairies.
Like, what do you think is going

1030
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,880
to happen?
No one's going to educate our

1031
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,360
kids.
How about we focus on fixing the

1032
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,320
problems that making everyone
want to quit rather than just

1033
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,400
telling them all to go and get
another job because, you know,

1034
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,320
that's not a solution.
It's dumb.

1035
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,720
It's not a real solution.
And that's what I said to.

1036
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Them it's the same thing when
people say like flippantly,

1037
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,640
like, you know, when they talk
about how long the summer

1038
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
holidays are and stuff, well,
they get loads of time off.

1039
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Just make them come in for
another 4 weeks.

1040
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,040
I was like, OK, let's just
ignore every reason why.

1041
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,280
It's just ridiculous what you're
saying.

1042
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Let's just say that happened.
Yeah.

1043
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,400
And we got to the point we were
like, OK, yeah, four extra

1044
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,760
weeks.
OK, one of two things needs to

1045
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,880
happen.
You pay the teachers for the

1046
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,200
extra 4 weeks that they'll be in
work for the extra directed

1047
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,240
time, right?
So that won't happen.

1048
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,000
No.
Right.

1049
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,800
Or it remains the same amount of
pay and you just expect them to

1050
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,240
work more for some reason,
Despite that being completely

1051
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,280
ridiculously backwards thought
that would never apply to any

1052
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,120
job ever.
You do more work, please, for

1053
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840
the same pay.
OK, I will leave.

1054
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,360
And then there'll be a Max
exodus of teachers and then you

1055
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,040
won't have enough teachers to
teach the children.

1056
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,320
So it's like, OK, which one of
those situations do you want?

1057
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,280
It costs way more or you don't
have enough teachers because

1058
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,800
that's what will happen when you
make that change.

1059
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,160
And there is people who can't
think past the end of their nose

1060
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920
because they're so far up their
own backside that they just

1061
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,320
think bloody teachers.
I could just say this thing

1062
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,640
because it will make old people
get really up for it and say

1063
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,360
they're really bloody lazy.
And I'm going to put it in the

1064
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,800
Daily Mail tomorrow.
I'm going to say lazy teachers

1065
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,720
when I work for my and it work,
it'll work.

1066
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:19,120
It'll get people saying it, but
but if you actually just follow

1067
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,000
through with what would happen,
it would be.

1068
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,520
It's a logical thought trend.
Do you think there's a middle

1069
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,760
ground though?
Genuinely, based on everything

1070
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,920
we just said, where people might
think, yeah, just do the one, We

1071
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,520
don't pay them more because like
we've just established, there

1072
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,200
won't be a mass exodus because
so many, too many people are

1073
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,600
just tied into the job.
They won't be able to leave.

1074
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,040
They'll just be horribly unhappy
instead.

1075
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Some somewhere, but it'll push
some to leave.

1076
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,680
It'll push some to leave who are
on the edge of doing.

1077
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,560
It'll just say, do you know
what?

1078
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,440
It's not worth my yeah, it's not
worth your health.

1079
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,720
And no, not even if they can.
They'll just take a pay cut and

1080
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,200
survive, right?
Because there are some people

1081
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,840
who can but choose not to.
Like can is such a loaded word

1082
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,280
here.
Like there are some people who

1083
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,520
will obviously who could just go
and get another job and take

1084
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,280
even like a 10 to 15 grand pay
cut.

1085
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,240
There are some people who could
do that and have a lower quality

1086
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,160
of life.
I'm not saying it wouldn't

1087
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,200
affect.
Yeah, they'd have massive.

1088
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,720
Sacrifice, I'm not saying yeah,
I'm not saying it wouldn't

1089
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:03,840
affect them, but they can do
that.

1090
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,240
So it what I'm saying is for a
lot of those people that would

1091
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:07,840
just tip them over to be like,
it's not life anymore.

1092
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,760
Yeah, I'd rather go and have a
much less stressful job.

1093
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,880
It won't have the same quality
of life, but I won't be as

1094
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,040
stressed.
And to me, that's worth the

1095
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,440
money.
Yeah, it'll, it'll tip people

1096
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,560
over the edge and.
They weren't think of that

1097
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,160
before, but now they are.
Exactly that it'll tip people

1098
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,800
over the edge, but it will also
have a detriment on recruitment.

1099
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,840
It'd become it'd become far less
true, far less job like

1100
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,120
appeasing job.
Yeah, we're already struggling.

1101
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,600
With that's the biggest argument
I think that.

1102
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Yeah, it'd be both, but it would
just make some people more leave

1103
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,120
who wouldn't?
Because there will be some

1104
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,040
people on that line who are
should I, Should I, Oh my God, I

1105
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,480
will now.
And they'll just take the hit

1106
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,160
and then recruitment went and
then give it four or five years.

1107
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,800
Yeah, nonsense.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

1108
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,280
So that's quite a triggering 1
then Quite a triggering.

1109
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,680
One quite triggering and dinged
go on crack on you.

1110
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,720
Did one good job, all right.
Teachers are just brainwashing

1111
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,600
the next generation with
personal politics.

1112
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,240
This is actually honestly like
907 really.

1113
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:57,040
This really triggers.
Me into the 9:00.

1114
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,240
Hundreds.
It really triggers me.

1115
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
Is it because you are doing that
and you hate being pulled out?

1116
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,360
You heard it here.
First, because I want my lefty

1117
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,800
WOKI beta liberal agenda to be
out there to the masses.

1118
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,080
That's why.
Yeah, like, let me do it.

1119
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,440
Yeah, it it really triggers me.
Is it?

1120
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,800
Is it triggering?
Because again, like the other

1121
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,160
ones, they're just so far from
the truth as to what's happening

1122
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,160
in schools or.
It, yeah.

1123
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,120
Is that a bit really There's
there's like there's so many,

1124
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,280
there's so many reasons why it
triggers me, which why

1125
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,800
amalgamates, that's one of them.
Yeah.

1126
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,520
I think that you see the odd
article in GB News Online of

1127
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
something that is genuinely bad,
right?

1128
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,360
That is genuinely maybe the
example of a teacher going too

1129
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,720
far of the personal beliefs with
the class and I would say that's

1130
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,240
bad practise.
You should do it where?

1131
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,800
No matter where my politics
lies.

1132
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,440
Of course, which?
Obviously happens in every job

1133
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,920
ever.
By the way, just to clarify,

1134
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,160
teachers, I'm perfect, right?
That's my point I was going to

1135
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,840
make is this is you.
You see that?

1136
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,280
And the thing that triggers me
is when people go say our kids

1137
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,520
are bloody ruined in this next
generation.

1138
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:04,360
Yeah mate, I have taught for 10
years and it does not happen

1139
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,720
where?
I'm not saying it doesn't happen

1140
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,240
at all, but to suggest that
therefore it's happening

1141
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,680
everywhere is just stupid
because you've seen one thing

1142
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,720
and what it is, is you want to
believe that this is happening

1143
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,280
everywhere.
So you see one example, you see,

1144
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,880
see that's happening everywhere.
It's ridiculous.

1145
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920
It's not.
It is not.

1146
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,040
This kind of indoctrination is
not happening everywhere.

1147
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,440
That's one reason why it annoys
me.

1148
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Another reason I'll throw this
back to you is the definition of

1149
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,640
indoctrination for some other
people will just be ridiculous

1150
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,600
and it's not indoctrination.
For example, there'll be some

1151
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,920
people if they walked into a
school and they saw some kind of

1152
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,160
poster or something on the wall
which was about welcoming

1153
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,400
everyone, everyone's welcome
here.

1154
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:55,120
Or even something as specific as
we don't stand for anti racism,

1155
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,880
right?
There are some people who look

1156
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,640
at that and go bloody
indoctrination shouldn't be in

1157
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,640
schools.
And that's the other thing that

1158
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,760
really, really triggers me.
It's like you're you're you're a

1159
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,800
you're an idiot.
Yeah, there's not, there's not

1160
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,360
there is a big, there was a big
thing in America recently where

1161
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,400
it was basically pushing back
against everyone.

1162
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Malcolm.
There was just a post saying

1163
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,360
everyone welcome and there and
there was a big, big push back

1164
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,160
from parents saying it's
indoctrination.

1165
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,760
You shouldn't be saying stuff
like that because their

1166
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,080
interpretation of that.
And it was the whole thing with

1167
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,640
with trans ideology racism.
Border.

1168
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,480
Control everything you can think
about because they saw the words

1169
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,480
everyone welcome.
Which is just a nice thing to

1170
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,760
have in a school, by the way.
Yeah, yeah.

1171
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Yeah.
It's a school.

1172
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Come in, everyone's welcome.
We make this.

1173
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,560
They saw that and they were
like, oh, that's political.

1174
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,240
That's brainwashing.
You shouldn't be teaching kids.

1175
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600
You shouldn't be teaching.
Kids that everyone's welcome.

1176
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
That's mad, isn't it?
Yeah, that's just got so far

1177
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,600
down the line of of that's why I
get annoyed division, isn't it?

1178
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,240
Yeah, that's crazy to me.
And it do you know what's more

1179
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,200
annoying is the fact that I can.
I understood so quickly why

1180
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
people would think that as well.
I mean, I didn't I I like I'm so

1181
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,440
I'm so attuned to the the
madness of the world right now

1182
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,840
that I could immediately think
of four reasons why a bunch of

1183
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,200
parents in America, yeah,
particularly would be looking at

1184
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,680
being.
That's not true because it got

1185
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,560
based all the things you just
said because they don't like the

1186
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,840
trans move and they don't.
Like think, are you saying

1187
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,200
paedophiles are welcome?
No, Yeah, yeah, that's.

1188
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,640
Legit, but that's in my head.
I'm like, oh, I reckon they

1189
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,520
think that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1190
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,720
That's what I.
Mean I'm like, that's not fair

1191
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,880
enough.
That's mental.

1192
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,400
Yeah, they're mental.
These people are crazy.

1193
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Yeah, of course everyone in this
school is welcome.

1194
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,640
Everyone which is all of the
people here, they're all

1195
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,520
welcome.
That's what that means.

1196
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,000
It means everyone coming into
this school right now, which,

1197
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,480
yeah, by definition is the
people that go to this school.

1198
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
You can think of the worst
person in the world, right, And

1199
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,560
apply that and say you should
see you're you're saying that if

1200
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Hitler was around now, you'd be
welcoming me.

1201
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,320
Oh my God, like nonsense.
Like that's where then I'm like,

1202
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,920
come on, come on.
It's just, it's just ridiculous.

1203
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,880
The whole, the whole idea,
because you kind of get into it

1204
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
with indoctrination,
brainwashing.

1205
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,960
I've always found that
fascinating because I'm like, it

1206
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,920
is quite subjective in terms of
what we define as

1207
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,880
indoctrination, really.
In terms of like, I'm sure

1208
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,640
someone, anyone could justify
literally anything we ever tell.

1209
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Like the purpose of school is
indoctrination to an extent,

1210
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,840
right?
We're indoctrinating these young

1211
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,240
mammals in into the specific
culture that we live in and

1212
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,840
speak.
Language properly without.

1213
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,840
You speaking English in this
country, are you?

1214
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,840
That's indoctrination into that
language, yeah.

1215
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Kind of like because we all
speak English here, like I guess

1216
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,400
so if you want to call that
indoctrination.

1217
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560
Oh, doing maths every day on the
timetable, indoctrinating them

1218
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,000
and thinking maths is what?
OK.

1219
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,520
And reading is.
Yeah, reading.

1220
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,440
Yeah, we also do that.
Is that indoctrination?

1221
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,640
Like, Oh yeah, we've prioritised
teaching kids to read.

1222
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,320
I bet the reading's in English
as well, isn't it?

1223
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,320
Well, that's indoctrination.
I find it a strange concept

1224
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,200
basically, is what I'm saying.
Like I think there are levels,

1225
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:43,120
right.
Of course there are.

1226
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,320
I think there are.
Easy to point out.

1227
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,800
Definitely when it comes to
extremities, like it's very easy

1228
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,200
to say that's that's just clear
cut.

1229
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,680
We all agree that's.
But it's indoctrination.

1230
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Indoctrination.
If you're saying it's

1231
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,080
indoctrination to teach English
every day, I think that's a bit

1232
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,480
wild.
I think that's a bit wild as

1233
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,440
well.
I think that's more extreme on

1234
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,880
the other side I.
Think it's indoctrination?

1235
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,080
Being but I think someone might
say in a way it is because

1236
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,760
you're teaching kids to think a
specific way.

1237
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,520
I don't know.
Does it fall under that

1238
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,280
category?
I don't know.

1239
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Like is teaching just by
definition indoctrination?

1240
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,080
That's kind of what I'm getting
at, and I might be genuine, I

1241
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,320
might be wrong.
Genuinely, I'm.

1242
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,960
Going to read it out.
Indoctrination is the process of

1243
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,320
forcefully or persistently
teaching a person or group to

1244
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,840
accept a specific set of
beliefs, ideologies, or

1245
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,760
doctrines.
OK.

1246
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,360
So I think it's more
specifically like.

1247
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,400
So academics wouldn't count.
That's not beliefs or

1248
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,320
ideologies.
That's fair enough.

1249
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,440
That's fair enough.
And I think that's why

1250
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,880
indoctrination separately, you
can kind of, I can kind of see

1251
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,800
why people separate and say you
shouldn't be indoctrinating

1252
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,120
anything because what they're
saying is the role of school is

1253
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,280
to not go into beliefs or moral
moralistics.

1254
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Yeah.
But I I personally think it's

1255
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,600
fine to go into the realms of
morals when it's just a blanket

1256
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,400
thing.
Of course it is and and also.

1257
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,520
But some people say it's not.
Yeah, and, and, and, but, But if

1258
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,800
you're persistently saying to
people, right, Case, here's the

1259
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,080
troubling bit, which goes
against what we both think,

1260
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:53,520
right?
Yeah.

1261
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,400
But I'm going to play devil's
advocate a bit here.

1262
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,400
Some will say that persistently
saying whatever it is, if it's a

1263
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,040
moral outlook on, like
persistently if it's a moral

1264
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,880
outlook on life and like the
acceptance of absolutely

1265
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,000
everyone no matter what, if
you're persistently saying that

1266
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,920
to the children and teaching
them that every day, that is

1267
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:09,800
indoctrination.
Yeah.

1268
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,560
In the same way you just talked
about how reading would be

1269
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,560
indoctrination, but we don't
care.

1270
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're saying, OK, maybe not,

1271
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,200
but, but maybe it is
indoctrination.

1272
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
But maybe what we're saying is
some indoctrination is OK.

1273
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,560
That's the point I'm trying to
make.

1274
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,840
I've got one more thing to back
this up.

1275
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Right.
Literally part of the basically

1276
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,360
every UK school is something to
do with British culture.

1277
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,760
Yeah.
That is inherently based on that

1278
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,760
definition is indoctrination
completely.

1279
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,720
But we all obviously think
that's OK because we live in

1280
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,440
Britain.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1281
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,080
So like no one has a problem
with teaching British culture in

1282
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,360
in British schools to kids who
are growing up in British

1283
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,080
culture.
Yeah, some, but it is what maybe

1284
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,800
they do.
But it is indoctrination.

1285
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Yes, in in the literal sense, in
the same way that what you just

1286
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,960
said about saying everyone.
And faith schools.

1287
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Like right faith.
Schools getting kids to walk in

1288
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,920
to an assembly and sit down and
all chant back a reading from

1289
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,040
the Bible.
That is indoctrination, and for

1290
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,480
me that goes above the line.
I think that's bad, I think

1291
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,840
that's wrong, and I think that's
bad.

1292
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Objectively, I don't think we
should be.

1293
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,720
Doing no matter what the.
Faith I don't think we should be

1294
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,280
doing no matter what the faith,
it's nothing to do with the

1295
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,880
faith.
It's to do with the

1296
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,960
indoctrination of, of making
children believe in a God.

1297
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,320
I don't think that's OK.
And other people, most people in

1298
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,120
fact, disagree with me on that
one.

1299
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,040
So, so that's my whole overall
point here is it's obviously

1300
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,200
subjective.
So indoctrination itself, if

1301
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,320
someone's saying we've got
really deep here, if someone's

1302
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,360
saying you're just
indoctrinating the kids, the

1303
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,440
answer really probably should
be, yeah, we are.

1304
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,920
Yeah.
But you know, the act of

1305
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,360
indoctrination itself isn't
necessarily a bad thing, but we

1306
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,360
should be looking at what we're
doing with indoctrination.

1307
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,960
But the the the people hear what
I'm saying here and get

1308
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,440
immediately triggered because
they have this idea of

1309
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,120
indoctrination being negative
all the time.

1310
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,360
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Indoctrination is persistently

1311
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,040
putting across the and, and
teaching an ideology, A belief,

1312
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,400
a set of values.
So if you agree with that

1313
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160
ideology, belief, a set of
values, you obviously don't

1314
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,280
think that it's a bad thing.
But if you disagree with them,

1315
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,520
then you obviously think it is a
bad thing.

1316
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,960
And that's where this comes
from.

1317
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,800
People will be saying, you know,
I, I personally disagree with

1318
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,240
that.
Whether we think that's

1319
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:00,000
acceptable or not, they will
personally disagree with it.

1320
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,560
Do they have the right to in a
public school, no matter what me

1321
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,000
and you think is acceptable or
not?

1322
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,680
Do they have a right in a public
school?

1323
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,040
No matter.
It doesn't matter if we think

1324
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,000
they're right or wrong.
Do they have the right to say

1325
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,920
you shouldn't be doing that to
my kids, stick to academics.

1326
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,320
I think they have the right to
have an opinion.

1327
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,080
Of course they do.
The thing just going back to

1328
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,240
this to really clear, the thing
that triggers me about it is

1329
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,200
when people, and you basically
just said this, I'm going to say

1330
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,360
it again, is when people decide
to call it brainwashing when

1331
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,880
it's something they don't agree
with and they don't think it's

1332
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,400
brainwashing when it is
something they agree with.

1333
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040
That's what annoys me because
it's like they can't even agree

1334
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,680
that in this idea of
brainwashing, indoctrination is

1335
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,360
subjective in the 1st place.
It's like, oh for God's sake.

1336
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,400
So, oh, it's brainwashing our
kids with this political

1337
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,440
ideology.
But if I was teaching your

1338
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,440
political ideology, you wouldn't
call that brainwashing, would

1339
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,520
you?
So, yeah, reform recently a

1340
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,440
reform candidate went into a
school and did a talk about

1341
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,840
reform, and obviously all the
reform people are absolutely

1342
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,480
loving it.
Yeah, of course.

1343
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,000
And it was just, it was just
like, just think for one second

1344
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,240
about everything you've said
about schools.

1345
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,840
If you think about the typical
reform candidate of how it's

1346
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,440
awful and stuff, you can't, you
don't get to now not think it's

1347
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,480
awful.
You don't, you don't get to now

1348
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,960
think that's OK because it's
what you believe in that.

1349
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,400
That story, I've seen that as
well, triggered me at 1000 on

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00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,160
this scale.
Yeah, because of the reason we

1351
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,400
just established.
That's what annoyed me so much.

1352
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,240
Indoctrination is OK, but it's
what I want, yeah.

1353
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,320
That ohh God I just can't stand
it.

1354
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,120
I do think just be really clear,
the teachers are brainwashing

1355
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,480
the next generation of personal
politics.

1356
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,000
I think there's a really good
debate to have here about where

1357
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,240
the line is in in school.
You should do it in general

1358
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,840
about politics and certainly
personal politics.

1359
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,440
I think that's a reasonable
opinion and debate to have.

1360
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,680
To talk.
It's not happening lots.

1361
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,000
But yeah, that isn't happening
lots.

1362
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,800
No, no, no.
The personal politics thing of

1363
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,880
someone in the classroom giving
their personal politics to the

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,480
class.
I I agree that's bad.

1365
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,560
And I don't think it happened as
much.

1366
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,800
The wider point of
indoctrination is an interesting

1367
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,800
one.
Yeah, because you could have

1368
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,080
someone walk past, imagine you
walk into a school and and

1369
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,360
they're on the way to the hall,
right, to deliver an assembly

1370
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,720
and they walk past something on
the wall and it's about anti

1371
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:58,240
racism and and they think, oh
God, and it's there any need for

1372
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,760
that?
Like, oh God in that's all.

1373
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,240
Oh gosh.
And they go to they go to the

1374
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,200
hall and then they're delivering
a sermon on Christianity.

1375
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Yeah.
It's like, OK, you've decided,

1376
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,360
you've decided if you have that
thought train, you've decided

1377
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,640
personally which indoctrination
to you is acceptable or not.

1378
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,960
And so, so putting it all back,
you know, should schools not do

1379
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,680
any?
I know this is this is what I've

1380
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,480
I've never got to a conclusion
of this argument.

1381
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,600
I felt like we've even off the
podcast had this conversation.

1382
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,120
I don't know what the solution
is.

1383
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,000
I just know the only thing we
shouldn't be doing is completely

1384
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,280
ignoring the fact that the
hypocrisy.

1385
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,320
That's it, that's it.
We should just stop.

1386
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,680
Let's we should try.
We should aim to be as like the

1387
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,200
least hypocritical we possibly
can be when we're talking about

1388
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,360
that.
That for me is the first step.

1389
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,520
And we're not even there in
terms of like, will we ever be

1390
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,080
able to draw a line?
Probably not, no.

1391
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,760
Basically, like the world is
constantly changing.

1392
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,360
Culture is constantly changing,
Opinions constantly change.

1393
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,800
And this is all about the
subjectivity of culture and

1394
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,400
opinion.
So it's an impossible task.

1395
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,280
But that example you gave
happens if people walk in

1396
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,040
through, I don't agree with that
indoctrination.

1397
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,560
Here's my indoctrination.
It's like, for Christ's sake,

1398
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,160
like at least accept that that
is hypocrisy and then we can

1399
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,320
maybe talk.
Imagine like there's a racist

1400
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
incident on the playground and
it goes to the teacher and they

1401
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,440
go, sorry, can't get involved in
this belief system of whether

1402
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,480
this is good or bad.
No, it's bad.

1403
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,560
Yeah, it's bad.
It's bad.

1404
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,720
So we can say it's bad.
Like there has to be like

1405
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:21,520
there's some obviously some
stuff that's just true.

1406
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,360
True.
So, so like, should schools do

1407
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,280
beliefs and system and and
morality?

1408
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,600
Of course they should.
Of course they should.

1409
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Yeah, But it's tricky where the
line is.

1410
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,720
Yeah, hard.
And you're interested.

1411
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,560
So yeah, this, this imaginary
person we made-up.

1412
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,160
Yeah.
Put them to rights, haven't we?

1413
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,520
Definitely.
It's probably a business studies

1414
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,800
teacher.
I've made enemies there.

1415
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Yeah, you have?
No, I just, I just.

1416
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,720
It was the only time where I was
like, you have to have had some

1417
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:49,680
experience.
Yeah.

1418
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,240
You have to have had some
experience doing it in order to

1419
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,320
teach it well, I think.
Yeah, and I agree for every

1420
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,880
single subject equally.
That's it.

1421
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,040
It's just weird that business
studies gets picked out that's.

1422
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,600
What I'm saying?
We have to agree to disagree,

1423
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,760
right?
No.

1424
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,920
Yes, maybe.
I don't know.

1425
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,240
Can you repeat the question?
Yeah, absolutely not guys.

1426
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,360
We'll see you next time.
Thank you so much.

1427
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,520
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1428
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,840
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1429
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,760
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