Ep 181: Q&A: Filming In The Classroom, Government and Influencers & Delivering CPD!

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
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Quite a few deep ones.
I know just like with like

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what's the word when you?
Juicy.

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No, when you.
That's what I'm thinking.

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Look at this first question.
Juicy.

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When you reveal something, yeah.
Pulling the curtain back.

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Yeah, Yeah, sorry, that's a long
way of saying putting the

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curtain back here.
When we do questions, quite

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often one of us does them.
Yeah.

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And then what we try and do, so
it's a bit bit more interesting

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hopefully for the listener and
not scripted is something

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sometimes you read it and it's
like the first time you're

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really listening to it for at
least one of us.

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Yeah, exactly that.
It's like raw reaction.

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But this one we both kind of had
a look at because you were

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saying how there's a lot of
subject matter.

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It's quite deep.
Questions.

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They're bulky ones, aren't they?
Yeah.

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So should we dive straight in?
Yeah, go on, go when you go

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first.
OK, first question.

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I've noticed the government are
working with, or at least have

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got social media influences
involved with them a lot more

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since they came to power,
especially compared to previous

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governments.
It has started to rub me up the

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wrong way a little bit,
especially around the release of

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the white paper for SEND.
And in what my opinion is it

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being full of glaring errors.
I have three questions to do

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with this.
Number one, has a line been

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crossed #2 have you been
approached by the government and

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#3 would you work with?
Them.

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Yeah, there's a lot there.
Isn't it?

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I reckon.
I thought we can go straight in

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with the level.
Do you?

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OK.
Do you think it's noticeable

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then, because we're on social
media a lot.

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Do you think it's noticeable?
Yeah, big time.

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That the government are clearly
like actively trying to work

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with influence 100%.
Have you noticed that?

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Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.

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Personally, I'm, I'm trying, I'm
really trying to not be like,

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no, no.
Oh.

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It's just my experience.
I think that I think it's quite

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obvious that that's happening.
Yeah, definitely.

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And if you think back to the
previous government, they got a

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lot of hate from the sector for
a long time.

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And traditionally, if you think
of conservative governments

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aren't the ones that are getting
on with education the most, just

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traditionally speaking.
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So like it kind of made sense.
Maybe that label would come in

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and in general the viable to be
a bit more positive in teaching.

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But there's absolutely.
And I think even I'm thinking

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like even in the last like 6
months, I feel like I'm seeing a

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lot more of, oh, look, it's the
cabinet minister and a person

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who's built up a following for
education and they're in the

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room together and seem to be
having fun.

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Yeah, exactly like a lot of
pictures of people Downing St

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and.
Stuff like that, yeah, you know

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there.
Were certain events and OK,

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right, So let's go straight into
a question then.

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I know it's kind of related to
this.

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Is that bad?
Honestly, in general, no,

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definitely not.
It's obviously not bad.

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And like you, it depends on
where the line is right?

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Because if you just frame it as
the government have come in and

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are more involved with talking
with people who are more

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influential in the sector, but
obviously that's a good thing.

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And if the peoples, the people
involved who are influencers,

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are involved with government
have more of a voice, that's

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obviously a good thing, right?
So they're doing events where

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they put on stuff.
There's a few things here.

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I'm being quite self deprecating
I suppose, because we have bit

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up a following.
We have got a voice for

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education right now and I still
feel a bit uncomfortable, I

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think with it a little bit in
terms of it does feel sometimes

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as if there's a line where,
yeah, the government are just

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getting people involved, but who
am I to be the voice for

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education?
And genuinely, and I'm not, I

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know a lot of people are
influencers in education.

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We both do.
Now we've got a lot of followers

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and more followers than us who
are really lovely people.

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But why are they more important
than literally anyone else in

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terms of talking?
And, and it boils down to what I

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think is the only reason the
government are getting these

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people involved is for outreach.
It becomes like an outreach

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exercise, which in its own right
is fine, but it, it, it does

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feel like sometimes it moves
away from, oh, it's about giving

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educators a voice and, and them
having, having a look at policy

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and we're just seeing what they
think, right?

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If that was the case, you
wouldn't necessarily go for

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influencers, You'd go for people
really high up involved in

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different strands, like
specialists in terms of

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different parts of the fields,
right?

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You'd go to those educated,
which I think is happening as

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well.
As I say, you can argue both.

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They they exactly completely and
that's fine.

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But if you're going to
influencers, it's just about

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reach.
And I think sometimes it comes

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across it's about how you look
and spinning something a certain

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way.
And if, if you as the government

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are wooing these people or
making them feel important,

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sure, you're going to get like
questions asked.

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And I've, I've heard some great
questions from influencers to

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people in charge of holding them
to account, etcetera.

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But it is going to be an easier
ride in terms of, you know, if

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the government went up to
someone randomly said you want

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to do, do something with us and,
and we'll invite you down to 10

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Downing St and we'll put on this
the big party for you.

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You're not going to in the next
breath go yeah, what a horrible

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person.
Yeah, exactly.

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So, you know, I, I get why it's
starting to rub people out the

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wrong way, especially when I
don't think there's been a huge

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change in, in everything we've
been saying for our whole career

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about teaching in terms of
workload, in terms of pay,

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stagnating pay cuts, etcetera.
And if you look at the SEND

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white paper, like as literally
mentioned in this question, it

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doesn't seem to be doing enough.
And there's a lot of the odd

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problems still and workload is
going to increase when alongside

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that you're seeing the
government really pushed to try

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and put people who are
influential in the education

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space out to put positive spins
on stuff.

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Yeah, it I it rubs me up the
wrong way a little bit.

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I feel like we're at the point
as well.

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We've become a quite pally or at
least acquaintances with with

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probably like most of the big.
Friends with them, I think.

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Obviously arranged from this or
we've had a couple.

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Of I'm not thinking these people
out individually, by the way.

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I know you're not.
So I just want to establish this

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even more, right?
Because I wouldn't want one of

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those people listening,
thinking, oh, he's talking about

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me.
No, we're not actually talking

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about anyone in specific
particularly like basically

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everyone we know who's got a big
influence is has kind of had

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some involvement the government.
So for two things, two parts of

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this, you kind of answer the
first part to be fair, which is

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like, is it about anyone in
particular between anyone

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particularly do anything wrong?
It's not really about that.

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Secondly, why back to this
question, why have we not been

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approached genuinely?
What, Like it's a half funny but

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half serious?
Why do you think Because we've

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got a bigger influence than some
of those people that have been

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approached?
Do you think it's because of how

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raw we are sometimes when we
discuss things like we don't

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really hold back, like we're not
trying to save their feelings?

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Or anything.
So first and foremost, I hate

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this whole conversation because
like, why aren't I there?

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I've got absolutely no, we've
got absolutely no right to be

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involved anything because
whatsoever.

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So I'm just laying that
groundwork down.

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And and also, you know, I think
a lot of people have been

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involved.
A lot of the time it's like to

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do like a specialism.
Maybe I literally specifically

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like an influencer or doing
stuff around a very, very, very

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certain substrand of education.
And that's what's in the

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spotlight right now.
For example, maybe SEND right

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now, maybe they're thinking
let's go for someone who's

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really strong on SEND and get
them involved.

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Absolutely fine.
Makes complete sense.

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And we don't necessarily have
that pinpoint thing apart from

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maths maybe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So in that respect, like why
would they?

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And secondly, I do think you
know the question here, would

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you work with the government?
I guess I'd work in, I'd work

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with the government in so much
as there is a completely open

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invitation for anyone in the
government to come and talk

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about anything with us.
Yeah, but I wouldn't work, I

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wouldn't work with them in, I
wouldn't work with them in terms

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of the government saying we're
doing this, we're doing that.

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Can you make sure this gets out
there please and and how good it

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is?
Yeah, yeah, OK.

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Because I wouldn't work for
them.

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Yeah, that's them just employing
you in a way, isn't it?

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They're basically saying you've
got a big reach.

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If we say this, it will not come
across the same as if you say

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this to your trusted audience of
teachers.

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So we're going to pay you to say
this alongside us because it

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spins a narrative.
And I don't know if that's

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what's happening or not.
Genuine.

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No, but but you presumably like.
OK, just even.

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I've seen some paid partnerships
with the government because

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taxpayer money is going to
influencers to push stuff

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exactly right and that I I just
personally think that that you

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know, if the individual
completely agrees with it, crack

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on.
You know what, fine.

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But I, you know, it just sits a
bit uncomfortably with me when

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our whole outlook for me and you
personally is just teacher

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first, teaching assistant first,
school staff first.

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I wouldn't want it even to
overlap 20% with being

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detrimental and going against
what we think.

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Yeah.
So for example, let's say, for

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example, talk about the white
paper and someone wanted to

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explain what the white paper was
and talk about it in really

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positive light and just put a
video out there and wow, isn't

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that great?
I, I would then feel awkward.

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Oh, can I mention the fact that
I think actually 50% of this is

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just nonsense that it's just
virtually signalling and just

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crap.
There would probably be a point

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where you think, oh, I can't say
that because I'm being paid to

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push this.
It's, it's a job.

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You know, we've had paid
partnership opportunities before

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where part of the actual, you
know, act of sponsoring us or

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getting us to push our messages.
We've agreed it's a message we

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want to push out and then we've
agreed on, OK, that's fine.

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Now we've accepted that, then
we'll push it out.

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So it would depend on what the
message is.

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If it's if it's from the
government saying couple £100,

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do a poster as isn't that
brilliant and do whatever you

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want and even if it's negative,
that's fine, yeah, cool.

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If it's starting to control and
change what I actually think,

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then the answer the question is
no, I wouldn't do it.

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They asked me to push something
about the SND white paper to say

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how great it is that we're
having ISPs now and we're

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pushing those out and lowering
the HCPS.

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I don't actually think
personally that's a good thing.

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So I wouldn't then just accept
the money and then push it out.

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So that's all I'm saying.
I don't know if that's what's

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happening or not.
Just trying to establish where

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my line is.
What about you?

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No, definitely not.
Like I think we're really on the

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same page.
Like we even had a conversation

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about this.
We've had a few conversations

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about this honestly over the
years, even just what we were

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thinking like, oh, what if, what
if, what if these situations.

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And I think for me, for what we
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podcast and we which we very
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which is a bit different to some
people have come from a

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different Ave like they already
had a following maybe and then

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they jumped into a podcast.
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podcast first.
The integrity of the

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conversations we have to me is
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important.
And I'm not saying I'm this

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goody 2 shoes who would never
take a pay promotion in any

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aspect, we've literally had
some.

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But like you said to me, the
groundwork today is I have to

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fundamentally believe that the
thing I'm promoting is actually

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true and correct and I would do
it anyway.

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And it's not just someone
telling me, can you push this

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narrative X amount of money?
Yeah.

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And I'm, and you know, we've,
we've heard jokes before.

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I came about £1,000,000 and we,
we all go down this silly Ave.

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And it's not even about that
really.

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Like no OK, someone gives me
infinite wealth.

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But if you already think it,
then why wouldn't you?

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Yeah, exactly.
But if you genuinely think this

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SEND white paper is fantastic
and you want to talk about it in

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that way, or if you actually
truly think that this government

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is doing a lot for workload and
you want to talk about it, go

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for it.
But I don't think I, I get the

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impression that's not where
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I don't feel a seismic change in
all the issues that teachers

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have been talking about for
years and years and years.

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And I don't think just because
now #10 Downing Street is draped

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in red instead of blue, that
suddenly I'd be like, oh, well,

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actually, do you know what?
Yes, it's a really tough job,

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isn't it?
We really need to think about

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actually, aren't they doing a
great job, just doing a bit at a

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time.
They were doing a bit at a time

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before, and I thought that was
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I don't now suddenly think I'm
going to give you all the grace

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in the world because you wear a
red rosette.

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Doesn't matter if I voted for
them or not.

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Doesn't matter where my
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not.
It has to come from a motive, I

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think of being apolitical,
completely apolitical, and then

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talking about it.
Would I go to 10 Downing St?

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Yeah.
If we got invited to 10 Downing

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St next week, I would go in a
flash.

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If we got invited to have a
conversation with these people.

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Yeah, of course I would.
Yeah.

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So this is nothing on these
people who've agreed these

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amazing opportunities to talk to
the government who are in charge

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and be in the room when you have
discussions with them.

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Yeah, it's great.
But there's two, yeah, two

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prongs basically #1 you've got
to keep your integrity in

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general.
And I just, it, it does sit

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funnily with me when I see the
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for their own game.
And secondly, I think it doesn't

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automatically mean number of
followers means that I need to

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get them involved in this
process.

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Yeah, I don't, I don't think I,
I am not.

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You could talk to someone who's
got 0 followers who's more, you

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know, more better placed to talk
about certain things in terms of

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the SEND white paper than me.
Yeah, absolutely.

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I could name 100 people, but
just because I've got this

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podcast in this reach, it's
like, or talk to them.

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It's like, no, you don't have
to.

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Yeah, you don't have to.
You don't even talk to me for

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for numbers.
Yeah, I'm not more valid.

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No, you said than those 100
people.

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Who are who actually are experts
in SEND?

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Why talk to them, not me.
Yeah, exactly that.

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And it's like.
Social media clout and stuff,

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that's what talks at the end of
the day, we can put a reel out

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that I'll get 10K likes and
1,000,000 views, right.

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And that's, that's what their
eyes are on.

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Yeah.
They're gonna get the message

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out there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Because whether we like it or
not, in education, how many

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teachers have you talked to?
Especially at the start of our

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career when social media wasn't
as big, when things were

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announced, it would be 1-2,
three months.

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They'd be like, what?
The white paper?

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I don't know anything about
that.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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They want people to hear.
About it?

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No, I get it.
I get that.

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OK, so let's finish this
question off with the third part

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of here, the prong.
Have they crossed the line then?

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That's what Do you think they've
crossed the line?

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No, do not cross the line.
No.

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What's the line for you then?
They've not crossed the line.

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I I'm not sure there is a line.
You know that.

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The line to me is when taxpayer
money's going into stuff.

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So if taxpayer money's going
into literal propaganda to push

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a narrative, I feel
uncomfortable with that, even if

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I agree with it.
Right.

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Yeah.
How much money is going into

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pushing out pay partnerships,
you know, for for this kind of

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thing?
I don't know.

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The answer could be 0 and it's
just like a 0 sum game of I'm

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I'm going to talk to the
government.

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That's great for my numbers and
the government are going to get

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me talking, which is great for
them to have visibility.

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It could be a 0 sum game.
Absolutely fine.

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Crack on.
I don't think there is a line.

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I just think I, I think there's
a couple of things going on

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where the government needs to
understand people aren't stupid.

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And when there is like a collab
post or, or like paid

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partnership, I've seen lots of
micro influence that pay

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partnership with the government
about getting into teaching and

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stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah.

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People aren't stupid.
They see that and they, the

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frustrations they have aren't
then suddenly gone because they

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see their favourite content
creators talking to Bridget

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Phillipson, right.
That doesn't mean suddenly I'm

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Oh well, I had a problem with
workload, but that looks fine

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now.
Yeah, yeah, people aren't going

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to think that.
And equally, the influencers are

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going for this.
And I would talk to the

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government.
Let me just make this really

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clear.
I have nothing against anyone

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who's talking to the government
because I think it's a good

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thing.
But they also at some point need

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to think that at what point is
it good for them to be seen to

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be doing it as well?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In a government that's becoming
more and more unpopular and

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genuinely not doing the things
that we want to a government to

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do in education, How much longer
do we have to wait for them to

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continue to not do these things?
To not boost, to not boost pay,

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to not reduce class sizes, to
not meaningfully make change in

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education and just give them a
pass because they're red?

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Oh, that's fine.
I'm sure they they do a nice

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little smile and have a good
speech.

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They talk about social mobility
and inclusion.

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Isn't that good words?
Yeah, genuine words.

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The only thing we should measure
is the change.

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The change and the change is not
massively changing anything.

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So, you know, as a content
creator as well, it's like cool,

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crack on.
I don't think a line has been

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crossed.
I just think, just think about

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it, everyone involved.
Is it a net win so far, do you

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think, let's say the line hasn't
been crossed.

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Is it still a net win that that
that people, even if the

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government are specifically
targeting people with influence

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for their own gain and
manipulation, Let's say it's the

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worst version where it's like
they're only doing it for that

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one thing.
Do you still think it's better

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that that as a byproduct of
that?

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At the end of the day, people
with influence who have ideas

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and and they might be influenced
by their audience and have

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really and have come to read
with conclusions, they still get

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a place in the room to say
something.

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Yes I think that's fine.
I think that's fine.

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I also saw someone like over
1,000,000 followers who used to

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be in Love Island whose child
has complex SD needs and was

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talking to Kiss Starmer.
Yeah.

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And was asking really good
questions.

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Sure.
Genuinely really good questions.

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Yeah, yeah.
But but she was only in that

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room because she was on Love
Island and had a million

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followers.
Yeah.

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Like, like you could have got
that question from a million

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different parents.
Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, so they, this is what's

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happening.
The government are doing it

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because they, because of that
positive gain, we're talking

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about exploitation.
Maybe that's an over the top

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word.
There's only one reason the

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government are doing this and
it's for that.

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It's to gain exposure and and to
be associated with people who

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have a positive association with
what they're trying to do for

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policies and stuff because the
government don't have to do

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this.
And I think within the first

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year or two, I think that's
great.

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I think it wears thin when the
government keep doing this, but

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nothing's really changing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's like at some point it's
like, I agree this, this was

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nice at 1st and it was lovely
that you were including

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educators.
And look, my favourite person

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who I, who I admire online,
who's done so much for teaching.

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I can think of so many people
who are working with the

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government who've done so much
good for teaching, who I

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personally admire and like.
But it does come to a point now

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where it's like, if this was a
Tory government, I don't think

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you'd be doing this.
So when do we stop?

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Yeah, is what I genuinely think.
And I want to be really clear

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because I know people listen to
this and they'll be thinking of

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probably 3 names.
And I can think of the names

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right now in my head.
Yeah, I am not digging out any

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individuals whatsoever.
And I would talk to the

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government and I would do stuff.
I'm just looking at this on a

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meta level and seeing what
people have literally written

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about it and spoken to us about.
And people have literally

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written questions in I've seen
it turn a bit more in the last

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few months of public opinion of
going, oh, that's cool.

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They're they're having a voice.
Isn't that amazing?

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And and the government are
really listening to.

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Are they listening or is this
just going to continue to be

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what it was before, but with a
shiny reel at the end of it that

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goes out on social media?
What's happening?

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Yeah, when I watch, I don't want
to name specific names here, but

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I I listened to Keir Starmer
answer a question about the SND

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white paper last week.
Could not have looked less

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interested and more scripted as
an answer.

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It wasn't a conversation.
The government weren't having

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conversations with people.
The government were Wheeling in

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influences.
They now have big reach, letting

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them ask couple of questions,
making them feel special.

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And then and then Keir Starmer
kind of waited and went.

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Yes well anyway, and then buzzed
off 5 the message he wanted to

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get out because he knows it's
going to go on socials.

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That's what it was and and it
felt disingenuous Yeah, I felt

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like that as well pre pre
prepared message because that's

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the message they want to get
across and the whole this whole

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thing was a vessel to get that
message across.

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It just looks more generous.
It's like user generated

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content.
Everyone you know when you're

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trying to get adverts and
they're always thinking of new

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ways to get adverts across
people that look genuine.

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It's like yeah, eventually
though, people do realise, oh,

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that's not oh, there's a pattern
here that's not genuine.

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This is just a.
It's just a script.

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And I thought some of the
questions I heard and in general

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some of the stuff like I thought
it was really good questions,

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yeah, really important
questions, but especially about

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SEND about mainstream, about
inclusion, about can they can,

453
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it was really good question.
This is the sad thing because

454
00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,840
everyone I know, everyone I
know, which isn't that many, it

455
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,240
sounds like it was probably like
3 or 4 people that I personally

456
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,320
know who have had a chance to
speak to the government, who are

457
00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,240
in, in education are amazing
people who have really good

458
00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,400
questions and really good
challenges and want to see and

459
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,640
drive change.
And to see them almost like

460
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,200
getting their hopes up a little
bit sometimes because you

461
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,360
realise, oh wait, they're not
really taking you that

462
00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:08,720
seriously.
They're just using your reach to

463
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,560
get the pre prepared message
they've already got across is

464
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,480
like devastating.
Because those people are on the

465
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,440
edge of being able to.
Maybe they are, you know,

466
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,000
they're, maybe they are making
some change, maybe they are

467
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,440
pushing back a little bit.
Even if it's 1% challenge, fine,

468
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,040
but it's just like, oh man, to,
to, to, to bring those people

469
00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,920
down.
If, if no change happens,

470
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,880
ultimately we'll bring those
people down because it'd be

471
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,160
like, Oh yeah, you, you were,
you were bigging up all this

472
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,360
stuff and they didn't actually
do any of.

473
00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,920
It Yeah, that's what exactly
what I mean, exactly what I

474
00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,640
mean, like kind of putting your
eggs in a basket, working with

475
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,680
the government in that way.
Yeah, it's.

476
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,080
To hope it pays off.
It's risky.

477
00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,440
It's risky A.
Little bit a little bit.

478
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,960
I've seen a lot of people, you
know, I don't want to be really

479
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,360
again, like I, I can't say
enough what I've said already,

480
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:48,600
so let's let's.
No, no, I agree.

481
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,520
I think that's hopefully, yeah,
it'll be quite clear what you.

482
00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,440
Think thanks to that question.
Yeah, it's a really good one.

483
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,960
Another one.
Really good one.

484
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,800
I'm going to read this one out
to you because it's, I guess,

485
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,120
kind of in the same sort of
quant line of thought, right?

486
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,440
Is it ever acceptable to film in
a school?

487
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,360
Yeah.
Sorry, all of our friends

488
00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:06,240
online.
Sorry guys, because this is

489
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,840
covering a lot of joining us, by
the way.

490
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,680
Yeah, yeah, I.
Know OK, I see a whole range

491
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,880
online from teachers outright
filming during a lesson, others

492
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,840
filming in the building but
clearly when the children aren't

493
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,360
there and some more recently who
have said that they aren't

494
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,280
allowed to film at school in the
school school building at any

495
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,600
point.
So what was your school policy

496
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,320
and did you agree with it?
OK, so I've quit the, our school

497
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,320
policy.
We never really had to ask about

498
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,640
it because we never, ever, ever,
ever dreamed about doing

499
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,920
anything with our own personal
devices whilst the children were

500
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,840
around.
So very clearly that wasn't

501
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,880
allowed.
But I, you know, after school

502
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,760
and before school when there was
literally no children in the

503
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,280
building, we could take a
picture because you've probably

504
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,280
seen I've been recycling that,
you know, that bunch.

505
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,960
I think I took five selfies ever
and I was like wow I want to do

506
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,280
more than 5 posts.
Isn't that picture of me Sam on

507
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,720
the?
30th version of that one, Yeah,

508
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,240
for sure.
We didn't really do, I think

509
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,560
remember we did like one video
after school once in our school.

510
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,640
I think just think maybe one or
two.

511
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,560
I think one silly meme.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

512
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,040
You're pointing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

513
00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:04,600
But generally just a couple of
pictures.

514
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000
And even with the pictures we
were always hyper aware of

515
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,280
backgrounds to check everything
backgrounds.

516
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,520
There's, there's one where I've
I've had to I I'd written one of

517
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,360
the child's names like in the
middle of the board because we

518
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:18,440
were just messing around in, in
English and I took the picture

519
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,280
and I was about to post it and I
was like, Oh my God, this is a

520
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,240
name.
Yeah, exactly right.

521
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,360
You have to be really, really,
really.

522
00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:25,280
So you can understand why
schools say, I'd rather just not

523
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,400
have that risk of the teacher
maybe not or notice maybe or

524
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,640
maybe not noticing that.
OK, let's start there then maybe

525
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,400
in terms of when a school says,
because again, lots of people

526
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,160
who we know of, who we follow on
social media, who you will all

527
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,720
have heard of have literally
said that one can say this

528
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,840
because they're which said
videos themselves organised

529
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,760
educator abnormal Mrs F they
work in the same school in

530
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,880
Scotland.
They're not allowed to film the

531
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,760
school building anymore.
Mr He's not allowed to film the

532
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,440
school building anymore.
And and my reaction to that

533
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,640
always has been frustrating for
the creator, especially,

534
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,880
especially in the context of I
never saw them film in a lesson.

535
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,360
So frustrating.
But ultimately I, I, I get, I, I

536
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,720
think it's a bit backwards.
I think it's very modern.

537
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,120
I think with the right rules in
place, especially when you have

538
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:09,840
people who have that much
influence who work in your

539
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,320
school, there's a way of
leveraging that a little bit

540
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,600
more to let them do it.
Definitely.

541
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,200
But but, but ultimately I'm
like, I can see why you came to

542
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,240
that.
Decision.

543
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,080
What were you?
That's literally exactly what I

544
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,120
was, what I was thinking.
I was like, I, I can't be

545
00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,960
annoyed at a school or a head
teacher or a governing body or

546
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,040
whoever it is who decide, shall
we in this place where we

547
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,240
protect children and that's our
highest like priority ever

548
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,520
safeguarding of children?
Shall we just, even though the

549
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
risk is 1% because this person
is like, amazing, they're so

550
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,760
careful.
Should we just not have that 1%

551
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,960
risk that they might actually
accidentally film something one

552
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,880
time out of their 500 videos
that has a picture of a kid in

553
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,880
the background that shouldn't be
on?

554
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,120
We're not even allowed to take
photos of which or just a

555
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,840
picture in general because at
the end of the day, it doesn't

556
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,480
matter.
That's against the rules.

557
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,320
And they go, yeah, let's just,
let's just get rid of that risk.

558
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,880
It would be nice if they
thought, but they are they are

559
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,200
really positive force for the
for education.

560
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,160
And actually they're bringing
lots of great clout to our own

561
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,320
school.
And then we could probably

562
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040
leverage the fact that this
person is going out of their way

563
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,640
to do such great things on
social media.

564
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,680
Maybe we should spend a bit more
time.

565
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,000
And do I want to ultimately lose
them?

566
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:12,600
Do I want to lose them
ultimately, and maybe I should

567
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,000
write a better policy, but it
would be nicer if I think people

568
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,560
went down the avenue of of
thinking of the positives and

569
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,040
the benefits of what that person
brings to the school rather than

570
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,080
ostracising them and say no, you
can't have social media clout.

571
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,600
Yeah.
So what do you think in general,

572
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,880
though, about like phone you?
Because because I think I have a

573
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,040
real issue with personal,
personal with personal device

574
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,000
usage in a school when children
are around.

575
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,040
OK, so, so like I, I'm, I'm
quite militant in terms of, I

576
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,600
genuinely don't think you should
be on your phone at any point

577
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,440
ever when the kids are around.
Like I'm talking even in your

578
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,760
hand.
Like looking at it like I, I, I

579
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,720
think if there are children
around, you don't have a

580
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,760
personal device which is capable
of taking photos for any reason

581
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,400
anywhere near.
That's just like my personal

582
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,920
opinion.
I've worked in schools with

583
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,240
ranges of various things.
So yeah, like, you know, when it

584
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,280
comes to like, filming in the
middle of a lesson and stuff, I

585
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,160
like, I just can't fathom it.
And I'd say this to anyone.

586
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,760
Like, I don't care who's out
there who does this.

587
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,760
Like if you do it like I'm just
saying my opinion.

588
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,560
I think it's insane.
Yeah, no, I get it.

589
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Because I imagine, right, Just a
hypothetical, right?

590
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,320
Now imagine you're in a school
where you are quite lenient on

591
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,840
that.
You've got maybe a influencer

592
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,560
who likes to film things in
their classroom where the kids

593
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,760
are in, but they're filming just
themselves.

594
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,480
And then, you know, they're
really, really, really careful

595
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,560
about it, right?
If eventually you found out that

596
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,280
they weren't actually that
careful and they did have the

597
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,160
odd video where they turn the
camera around by accident and

598
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,360
they and they caught the kids on
video for three seconds and they

599
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:32,880
didn't bother deleting it
because they know they're not

600
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,080
going to do anything, it doesn't
matter.

601
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,120
But they you know they're only
going to post a sensible 1.

602
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,240
You would feel like an idiot at
the end of.

603
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,440
The day it's on the personal
device.

604
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,440
Knowing that you allowed that,
you knowing you follow them.

605
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,320
You imagine you're the head
teacher.

606
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,680
Oh, I follow them.
They're such a nice teacher.

607
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,920
And then you find out someone
realises that someone sees over

608
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,000
their shoulder.
You've actually got a video

609
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,960
there of kids.
You didn't delete it.

610
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,680
Yeah.
Oh, it doesn't, man.

611
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,680
I'm not going to use that one.
You'd feel so, like,

612
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,320
irresponsible.
So I understand why people just

613
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,400
go, let's cut that risk then.
Let's just not do that.

614
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,120
And I, and I probably agree with
the fact that in fact, I

615
00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,640
definitely agree.
I, I don't think you should be

616
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,200
able to film on personal devices
for personal gain in in school

617
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,560
time with kids around.
I just think that that to me is,

618
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,840
is way too far down to the other
side.

619
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,600
Interesting is maybe where I
disagree a little bit, but I

620
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,520
think there could be, I think
there can be some leniency

621
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,320
around.
Can an adult hold a phone in

622
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,120
their hand in front of in front
of the kids?

623
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,560
Genuinely, like I think there's
probably a line where it's like

624
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,360
it's so, so minimal at that
point.

625
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,240
I'm just, I'm just checking a
text from my mum.

626
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,560
Fine, like she's to see
something.

627
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,680
OK, I'd be annoyed.
Like I've definitely done that

628
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,240
in, in my experience, I've
definitely been like walking to

629
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,400
the staff room or something and
my phone's, I'm waiting for a

630
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,520
doctor's appointment and.
Too fair.

631
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,680
That's different to what I'm
saying, is it?

632
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:34,920
But that's still me getting my
phone out.

633
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,720
I'm in a class teaching kids, so
I'm on great duty.

634
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,080
I'm in the care.
I am the person in charge of the

635
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:40,760
children.
Children.

636
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,920
Yeah.
I just don't think each being a

637
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,920
personal device.
OK, that Yeah, again, if you're

638
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,680
if you're in, if you're in the
hallway walking to the staff

639
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,280
room when you break, Yeah, OK,
there's no kids.

640
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,960
I just think just cut out in the
same way you're saying cut out

641
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,440
the risk.
You're saying because the risk

642
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,880
is not .5% or because the risk
is a bad Yeah, sure.

643
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,560
I'm just saying that's also just
I could trust you till the.

644
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,360
Cows come home.
We could just have a blanket

645
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,880
rule please.
So it's not even a thing.

646
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,800
You you only have your phone out
when the kids are not in your

647
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,120
care.
Yeah, directly or you're in the

648
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,600
staff room.
And that's fair enough then.

649
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,920
Yeah, not in your care is a big
one to me.

650
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,000
Yeah.
Even that discrepancy I think

651
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,200
was important.
Like me walking to the toilet or

652
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,080
something.
And my phone out, I don't think,

653
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,840
I don't think you should never,
ever film anything in the

654
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,080
classroom whatsoever.
No.

655
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,880
But again, I hope it's really
clear.

656
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480
My personal, my phone, yeah, my
literal phone, but I use

657
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,520
personally all the time.
Shouldn't have stuff with kids

658
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520
on like in the classroom.
Yeah, an iPad, you know, you

659
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,680
have an iPad in school and you
take pictures on the iPad.

660
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Fantastic.
You can use that.

661
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,280
You're going to school website.
Do you know what I mean?

662
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,160
I'm not saying don't do
anything, but personal devices

663
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,720
shouldn't.
How many times have you seen

664
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,560
like the news come in and do a
segment at school or there's

665
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,200
been like someone from the
government that's going to a

666
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,040
school and there's and there's
there's filming going on in the

667
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,360
classroom.
I don't think there's anything

668
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,000
wrong with that.
But I guess going back to

669
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
because there's a lot of
influencers out there who will

670
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,520
just film themselves doing stuff
in a lesson And and the argument

671
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,200
is always, well, I got written
consent from my whole class and

672
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,160
that the, the school say it's
within the rules.

673
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,280
Yeah.
And I check everything before I

674
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,520
post it.
What's wrong with that?

675
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,480
I think this is where it's
harder to argue because I think

676
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,480
if you have got consent from all
the parents and it's not on a

677
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200
personal device, let's say, and
it's not a person, let's say

678
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,200
it's not a personal device, but
you can post it onto your

679
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,640
personal tick tock for your
personal gain.

680
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,680
Well, let's be honest for a
second.

681
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320
People are making thousands and
thousands of pounds out of this

682
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,880
content.
So when people put up a video of

683
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,560
them doing a callback in a
classroom setting that's taken

684
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,240
them time to do that in the job
they're paid to do and posting

685
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240
on this personal social media,
these people are make thousands.

686
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,040
We make from social media on a
good month, we can make up to 1

687
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,360
thousand 1500 LB and we are not
as big as some other people.

688
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:44,800
No, no, of course.
So these people are making

689
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,400
thousands of pounds on the back
of filming in classroom.

690
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,800
I've got nothing wrong people
making.

691
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,840
Money is your is your.
No.

692
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,280
What's that made zero?
Then no, no, I'm saying on their

693
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,880
personal, it's got to be above
board.

694
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,600
Yeah, I'm saying it's got to be
above board.

695
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,760
Shouldn't be a personal device.
You need to get the written

696
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,640
consent of everything, everyone
in the world, and it can't

697
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,880
impact your teaching just
setting up the device.

698
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,920
Yeah, that one's interesting to
me.

699
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,760
That's the that's the comment I
always see of like.

700
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
Oh, did the kids just wait
whilst you're setting that up or

701
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,280
whatever?
But then do you know what?

702
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,720
I don't know, maybe I'm being
too lenient.

703
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,400
Sometimes I see those comments.
I'm like like they spent 5

704
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,880
seconds just going like that and
pressing record like come.

705
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,320
On yeah, yeah, sure, I go.
Kidding.

706
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,080
Like sometimes it's a bit
ridiculous.

707
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,440
Yeah, yeah, no.
Fun but but it's still the point

708
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,880
though.
But I still think, oh, better

709
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,920
record this call back.
Yeah.

710
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,040
What do you wait?
Yeah.

711
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,280
Really.
Yeah.

712
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,280
Yeah.
Really.

713
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,440
Really.
Yeah, So do you know what I I

714
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,880
think there are ultimately some
situations where we can sit

715
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,560
here, we can argue and get nitty
picky, right?

716
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,160
And we say, oh, OK, this is
acceptable because of this

717
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,840
little nuance now.
But like, realistically, I'm

718
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,200
overall, I'm not mad at the fact
that schools quite often vote to

719
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240
just be like, let's just let's
just blanket make sure none of

720
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,760
this stuff can happen.
And we'll just protect our

721
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,720
school by saying you just simply
can't film in the school.

722
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,800
I get it, it it's annoying, it's
frustrating and there are pros

723
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,240
that we said to people doing it,
but like, you can't really be

724
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,960
that cross, can you?
No, most people I've spoken to

725
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,240
about it who are in that
situation are just frustrated

726
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
because, yeah, it was their
following and they've got to

727
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,720
change what they're doing now.
And the last thing I'll say on

728
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,400
this is if if you are, you know,
people who grow a following,

729
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,120
like we've grown a following,
lots of other people who've

730
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,320
grown a following mentioned Mr
Fairport when I said, OK, Mr

731
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,360
yeah, we've built that following
and then have now been told they

732
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,840
can't do it anymore.
You can't build a following

733
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,080
without first just posting a
lot.

734
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,120
So there are so many newer
teachers now, probably maybe

735
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,680
you're listening to this or who
are posting their own content

736
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,920
from school.
Just please don't off go to your

737
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,120
leadership and know your school
policies first.

738
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,640
Please don't get yourself into
trouble.

739
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Yeah, definitely don't post
something.

740
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,080
And then it's like, what what
I've seen before and that it

741
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
frustrates me is when someone
posts something because they've

742
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,960
decided it's fine to do and
they've not looked up the actual

743
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,800
rules at all.
And then when they're pulled up

744
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,280
and they're like, well, I, well,
I just, I thought it was OK.

745
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,240
So shouldn't it be?
It's like, no, that sounds like

746
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,640
the most me thing ever.
That's such a cute coded that is

747
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,080
you coded.
But it's like, no, you're wrong.

748
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,440
Like you don't.
Doesn't matter if you.

749
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760
It's an amazing argument to
explain why you think what you

750
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440
did was fine, even if you.
I never, I never filmed the

751
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,480
kids.
And I just did that after

752
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,880
school.
Yeah, but there is a banquet

753
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,600
policy that we don't do at the
school and you've got a job

754
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,000
here, so you have to follow that
rule.

755
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Well, I think it's stupid.
Great.

756
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Get a different job there.
And.

757
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,920
People have gotten in trouble.
I've seen stories of people

758
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,840
getting fired, losing their jobs
or just getting in really bad.

759
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,200
Trouble.
Mr Firth did it online.

760
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,560
He's in a different situation
to.

761
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,280
You school?
Yeah.

762
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Different school that has
influence so that she does

763
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,920
callbacks online and does this
and that.

764
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,280
Different.
That's his school.

765
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Yeah.
Different.

766
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,160
That's his problem.
Yeah.

767
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,320
And it's not even his problem if
he's back in the roles.

768
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,120
Yeah.
Exactly.

769
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,360
So.
So crack on me.

770
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,560
You don't have an opinion on it.
Don't worry.

771
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,480
But exactly.
Exactly that.

772
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,680
Yeah.
Crazy.

773
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,880
Well, I'm gonna carry on
drinking this Pepsi.

774
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240
Matt, can you read that?
You enjoy that, so next

775
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,360
question.
Nice short one, this one.

776
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Who was your favourite teacher
at school and what did they

777
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,320
teach you?
Or do they're stuck with you?

778
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,360
It's a nice one.
What a lovely question.

779
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Away from social media now.
I favourite teachers in in

780
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,080
primary school.
I loved primary school so much

781
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,280
that I liked all my teachers.
Yeah, I didn't feel like 1

782
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,960
jumped out because I loved
primary school.

783
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,800
I'd missed the Letts in year 6.
He was really good at pushing me

784
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,840
with my mouse, so I obsessed
with mouse and he was really

785
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,680
good at always making sure I had
something to do with maths, but

786
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,680
I had.
So I moved down South in year 3,

787
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,320
I had Mrs Wood in year 3, Mrs
Walker in year 4, whose son went

788
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,400
on to be my deputy head.
Oh, of course.

789
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I was talking about her mum,

790
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,840
Mr Branton in Year 5, Mr Letts
in year 6.

791
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160
And then he ended up Mr Letts
being a head teacher when I went

792
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,440
back and did a bit of placement.
They're all really lovely

793
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,160
secondary school, loads of
really nice teachers.

794
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,640
The ones that stuck in my head
are it's, it's, it seems to be

795
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,120
for random reasons.
There's a few people.

796
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,720
I'm going to go through them
right now in case for some

797
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,320
reason, someone who knows how
they are in the East Kent area,

798
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,160
Mrs Will really sticks on my
head for English.

799
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,280
Mrs Will really sticks on my
head because she, I remember we

800
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,120
did loads of lessons with her
about debating.

801
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400
And this won't shock you,
Hayden.

802
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,080
I quite like an argument in the
debate and she but she actually

803
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,560
actively taught us, taught us
how to debate rather than just

804
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,080
saying pick a side and argue,
argue.

805
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Yeah, I remember, I vividly
remember her literally like,

806
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,360
like explaining how to debate
something and how you need to

807
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880
take the point someone else
says, extrapolate it and then

808
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,520
tell them why that's wrong.
But then also from your point of

809
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,560
view, don't just say something,
but back up with evidence and

810
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,080
all that kind of thing.
And it came ultimately to always

811
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,760
remember this one lesson.
We were doing a debate and she

812
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,360
said, right, pick your sides,
what you think.

813
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,840
And we did that.
And then she said, cool, you're

814
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
arguing for the other side.
So she just flipped over.

815
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Let's say I think back then, to
be fair, even back then, it was

816
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,080
about should kids have their
mobile phones in school even

817
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,080
when there are bricks back then.
So a lot of the conversation was

818
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,360
about safety.
Another conversation was about

819
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,560
distraction and texting and
stuff.

820
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,720
And I remember she made us
choose which side I went on.

821
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,400
But let's just say I went on the
side of you should be able to

822
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,560
have it.
We all then were like, OK,

823
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,040
right, let's get ready.
And she was like, right, you're

824
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,440
you're arguing now to not have
them.

825
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,640
And I was like, oh, so good
because her point was, you know,

826
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,120
the other argument really well.
Yep.

827
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,000
What are the holes in it?
Pick the holes in your own

828
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,680
arguments and then think of
counter arguments.

829
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
And then it makes your position
stronger, of course.

830
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,640
And I finished it ended up
thinking even more that we

831
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080
shouldn't have, even though I
argued the opposite because I

832
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,200
was thinking about all the
holes.

833
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,880
I was.
It was like, yeah, like

834
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,040
backfilling.
Yeah, it was really good.

835
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,200
So that's one person.
Mrs Evans was a supply teacher

836
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,760
at our school that in court she
it was really strict, but really

837
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240
good and really kind.
I like I I really got on with

838
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:17,560
her.
You were.

839
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,080
You were.
I was on the other side of that.

840
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,720
But very quickly I'll go through
a few others in I loved history,

841
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,040
so I had Mrs Snedon and Mr Pugh,
2 of my favourite teachers ever.

842
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880
I spoke to Mrs Snedon recently,
still call her Mrs Snedon, her

843
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,600
name's Sarah.
But she's absolutely lovely.

844
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Mr Pugh, amazing, really
inspired me in history.

845
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,160
I was like a sponge in that
lesson learning about the

846
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,240
Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks
and all like, oh, it's just the

847
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,120
best thing ever.
And in maths, I'm Mrs Van Gelder

848
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,240
from what felt literally like
year 7 to year 13, like all the

849
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,880
way through.
I had maths and she was, we were

850
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,920
top set in the grammar school
because I like maths and and she

851
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,800
was always took that and I had
her the whole way through.

852
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,280
There's a bunch of other I'm
going to be missing right now.

853
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,920
But yeah, history and maths are
my big things and I just loved

854
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,320
it so much.
Isn't it funny how you.

855
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,480
Revert to a child when you talk
about.

856
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Your I know.
You can't help but see them

857
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,600
through the perspective of your
young self.

858
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Can you?
Yeah, I know really hard.

859
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,560
And even thinking about it, I
feel like I need to sit up

860
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,120
straight and take notes, like
and listen and just be just in

861
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,840
my world of just just tell me a
story about history.

862
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,760
I just love this.
I think you are probably in,

863
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,480
like, the 1% of people who had
genuinely and unbelievably

864
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,280
consistently positive experience
through school.

865
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,960
I mean, a lot of people at least
had at some point.

866
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Yeah.
Like, they hated it for whatever

867
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,480
reason, whether it was a
teacher, they didn't get on

868
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,880
wherever, they just didn't,
like, get on with their

869
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,000
classmates or whatever.
But you had such a good time.

870
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,320
I love it.
You always reminisce.

871
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Yeah, nicely.
There's not.

872
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,720
One thing bad.
Yeah, no, I genuinely did as

873
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,880
well.
Like even though I was a bit

874
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360
more naughty than you.
We were at the same school, so

875
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,040
for context, same secondary
school.

876
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Yeah, Yeah, we were.
I was just a year above a lot of

877
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,560
those teachers.
Yeah, exactly.

878
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,720
I didn't talk about all of them,
but I recognise all of those

879
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,840
names.
I'm just going to think of maybe

880
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,960
like 1, so one from each school.
So primary school for me.

881
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,680
I'm going to talk about impacts
as well.

882
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Was I've mentioned this person
before and funny enough I spoke

883
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,920
to her literally on.
Facebook Oh, you sent me a.

884
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Message Yeah.
Miss Dunthorn, who turned into

885
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Mrs Plankin, who I've mentioned
on this podcast before.

886
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,600
She was my year 3 and my year 4
teacher, and she got married

887
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,920
between the two years and we
devastated.

888
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Yeah, literally, like young,
amazing teacher.

889
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,639
But she, like, I think what it
was about, and I think it's

890
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,199
going to be consistent.
When I talk about secondary

891
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,360
school, she was just really,
really kind and understanding

892
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,920
and that for me, a nice person.
A really, really nice person.

893
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,440
Yeah, genuinely.
And treated me and talked to me

894
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,560
like I was just a human being
rather than one of the many

895
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,960
little servants in the room.
At all?

896
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,320
At all.
Come in now.

897
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Yeah, literally.
Right.

898
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,639
And, and she really turned me
around.

899
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,639
She totally got me and helped
me.

900
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,960
I remember literally thinking
I'm rubbish at stuff before I

901
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560
was with her and then by the end
of her like teaching of me, I

902
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960
felt so confident in myself.
Like particularly with maths

903
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,600
which which went on then to be
my favourite subject.

904
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Like she, I feel like she really
fostered my interest in terms of

905
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,679
like academics.
And then in secondary school

906
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,960
again I could probably mention
loads of people but one person

907
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,920
that jumps always jumps my mind
when someone says who was a

908
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,440
favourite teacher is Mr Piccard.
Mr Picard is a legend.

909
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,080
And Miss Jolly.
Miss Jolly Yeah, they were

910
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,760
together.
I didn't see Mr. Miss Jolly for

911
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,240
English, she was amazing.
She never taught me.

912
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,840
Yeah, she was such good teacher
cover and she was so nice.

913
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,680
That's the other thing.
They both it's a nice couple.

914
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,160
Yeah, exactly right.
Mr Picard was my art teacher for

915
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,680
most of my time, for He was also
my former tutor for quite a.

916
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,960
While he was brilliant.
And he was just again, like the

917
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,360
same sort of story.
He was just, he showed me like

918
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,280
what kindness can do.
He was a kind man and he was, he

919
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,960
was understanding like classic,
like pubescent teenager.

920
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,240
I was going for all the emotions
ever.

921
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,680
Do you know what I mean?
Like, and he got it like he was

922
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,360
just, he just would talk to me
like a human being and

923
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,160
understand exactly what I was
feeling and why I was feeling

924
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
that way where I was crossed or
upset or happy or whatever.

925
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,000
And he was, and he just cared
and, and I just remember

926
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,600
thinking that that's the kind of
person I want to be.

927
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,480
And I think those people shaped
me as a teacher genuinely, like

928
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,400
when I became a teacher and a
human did 100% as a human.

929
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,680
But when I went into the
practise, I very, very much

930
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,440
thought of and a few other
people I've mentioned Mrs

931
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Stanley before I was given.
Another She did my drama, yeah.

932
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,160
Yeah, so those, like those
people that I respected as

933
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,680
teachers, I very much unpicked,
like, OK, what was it about

934
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,960
them?
And found the Commons And I

935
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,240
said, oh, they all treated me
like a human being, talked to me

936
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,400
in a normal way, completely
understood me and more kind and

937
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,760
gentle.
Cool.

938
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,560
So I'll do that then with kids.
Because that works, I think I'll

939
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
go down the draconian route of
making them all feel like crap.

940
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,600
And I was like a little shit to
be.

941
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Honest with you, like I imagine
if some teachers were, I think

942
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,760
if a lot of my teachers were
listening to this podcast to me

943
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,840
right now, they're thinking
what?

944
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,600
I hated.
You horrible.

945
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,520
You were so annoying.
Like, I don't think I was

946
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,680
particularly horrible actually,
but I was very annoying, very,

947
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,440
very annoying.
And if I didn't respect someone,

948
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,920
I mean, you know, you know me as
an adult, right?

949
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,920
I just had no no time of day for
I couldn't careless.

950
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,160
I got my way to be annoying.
Yeah, I can imagine you being

951
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,280
genuinely really annoying in a
teenager 100.

952
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,000
Percent, 100%.
But the teachers I like

953
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,200
respected because they treated
me that way.

954
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,360
I was like, I just treat them
like I would any other friend.

955
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,880
I was like, yeah, you're a nice
person.

956
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,520
No, Freddy's Freddy's.
So yeah, I'm in a memory lane

957
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,360
there.
Does shape you though.

958
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,280
How good, by the way, is the
name Miss Jolly for Miss Jolly?

959
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,760
I know, right?
Perfect.

960
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,600
The nicest, happiest woman.
I read it.

961
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,120
She made me like English wasn't
something I naturally loved.

962
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,440
Genuinely, it was just kind of
interesting.

963
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,520
We read a good book.
I was into it wasn't.

964
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,320
I wasn't interested like I need
to write all the time.

965
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,640
It wasn't me, but she like she
just I wanted to be in the room

966
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,600
I have.
To do one more, I'll mention

967
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,040
because I know you're going to
be like write my English teacher

968
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,320
for a minute for many a year.
He was also extremely kind to me

969
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,600
and understanding Mrs Stavarius.
Mrs Stavera, she was mine for a

970
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,640
bit.
Too fantastic.

971
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,240
Do you know she taught me
genuinely she taught me this and

972
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,560
it stuck with me massively
because she kind of gave me get

973
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,080
out of gaol free card as well
for being mean to my own

974
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,880
parents.
But but her point was just

975
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,520
saying, like your guard does
drop with the people you're

976
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
closest to.
But I always vividly remembered

977
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,760
because it was me all over.
And you'll know this because I'm

978
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,480
close to young people, the
people I'm more close to, the

979
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,160
people I can be seen as more
harsh to or like straight with

980
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,760
or myself with can come as mean
sometimes genuinely.

981
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,840
Yeah.
But but her point was just like,

982
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,240
yeah, I was I was the rudest out
of anyone in the world.

983
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:00,520
I was rudest to my mum because I
was closest to my mum.

984
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,560
I spent the most time with my
mum.

985
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,560
There was no guard there at all.
And with other people, it.

986
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,800
So she slipped on its head.
You know, people say, you know,

987
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,800
you can judge a person by how
they treat the waiter.

988
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,360
Yeah.
And her point was no, you judge

989
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,840
a person by how they treat their
wife.

990
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,360
You judge a person by how they
treat their partner or their

991
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,840
sisters or their or their
family.

992
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,120
Because it's easy to be nice to
a stranger.

993
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,680
Yeah, it's it's on a it's a
facade.

994
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,520
You have to like, it's the least
you can do, isn't it?

995
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,600
You shouldn't be judging someone
based on how nice they are to a

996
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,200
waiter.
But that's just getting the

997
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,480
dregs.
If someone's horrible to a

998
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,840
waiter, that's the dreg.
That's the lowest.

999
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,360
They're already horrendous.
Exactly.

1000
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,080
If they're being nice to a
waiter, it's like, cool, you're

1001
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,160
not awful.
And how do I actually find out

1002
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,000
if you're a really good person?
It's actually how you treat the

1003
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,040
people you spend the most time
with.

1004
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,520
And if you think about
traditionally behind closed

1005
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,480
doors and stuff where you're
like, Oh yeah, those two don't

1006
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,800
really get on or they're
horrible to each other or that,

1007
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,960
you know, horrible instances of
domestic, like violence and

1008
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,800
things like that.
It's like, yeah, you know,

1009
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,120
you're actually, you judge
someone more based on how they

1010
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,000
are the closest people because
they're guards down more.

1011
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,240
And I was like, Oh my God, that
is so true.

1012
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,000
And it made me think like, yeah,
I am, you know, ruder to my own

1013
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,440
family when I got home, then I,
my mom would always be like,

1014
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,040
you're lovely to the bus driver.
And I was like, well, yeah,

1015
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,400
that's the yeah, that's the
least you can.

1016
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Of course, that's not like a
badge of honour for me.

1017
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,840
Well, I'm really nice to the the
people.

1018
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,400
I don't know.
It's like, OK, are you nice to

1019
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,280
everyone?
No, it's like, well, the sort

1020
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,240
that out then, mate.
Like that's not the barometer.

1021
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,600
I was like, Oh my God.
Yeah, that's so true.

1022
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,760
And she, I remember sat in
English and she taught me that a

1023
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,640
bit.
That's not on the curriculum.

1024
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,880
No, that's what I mean when I
say about like it's about, it's

1025
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,880
about the people and the way you
treat each other.

1026
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,920
It's like that's what has really
big impact in general.

1027
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,840
I remember that.
I also remember doing Of Mice

1028
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,560
and Men.
Literally figured that I was.

1029
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,600
Like then you're just trying to
link that into an essay about

1030
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,160
Lenny.
And that's why, that's why

1031
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,400
George shot Lenny so close
turns.

1032
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,880
Out he's horrible person,
treated the closest people the

1033
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,360
worst.
George would never shoot anyone

1034
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,040
else in the back of my head.
Just Lenny.

1035
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,320
Think about tending his rabbits.
Oh God, oh God.

1036
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,320
John Malkovich.
He's etched into my head.

1037
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,240
Thinking about rabbits getting a
bullet to the back of his head,

1038
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,280
getting skull.
And the rabbits.

1039
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,000
Yeah.
God, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,400
What a book.
Like everyone, everyone from a

1041
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,440
certain generation did that
book.

1042
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,800
How long do you reckon that book
is?

1043
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,520
How long?
Yeah, like you think we've been

1044
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:11,880
pages.
How many pages do you recognise?

1045
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,280
My God, no idea.
Probably like 150.

1046
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,160
Yeah, it's like 70.
It's really short.

1047
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,280
Oh, is it?
It's really short.

1048
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,200
It's been so long I'm.
Picking it, I say 70 now we're

1049
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,960
in a podcast, we're going to do
that thing that I really hate

1050
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,400
what podcasts do Yeah, where
they just say a thing.

1051
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,160
It's.
Going to be 100.

1052
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,600
And 50, it's going to be dead.
It's going to be 150.

1053
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Exactly.
Imagine I'm going to find out

1054
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
right now how many pages is Of
Mice and Men.

1055
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,920
Whilst you should look at the
next question.

1056
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,120
Yeah, go on.
It's 107 pages. 107.

1057
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,240
Go.
So in the middle, what did you

1058
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:35,720
say?
90?

1059
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,560
You said 70.
Yeah.

1060
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,280
No, let's not work out.
Let's just understand that it's

1061
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,640
a very short novel.
It was you.

1062
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,400
How on earth did how on earth
did we make it last so long?

1063
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,360
Yeah, it's what I thought.
It's because you had

1064
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,240
conversations about how you're
horrible to your family.

1065
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,240
We're already on chapter 12.
Now we're getting into Dallas

1066
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,440
past it.
It's quite pastoral.

1067
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,200
Everyone close your book.
God, right?

1068
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Here we go.
Next question.

1069
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Come on, I made this the last
one.

1070
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,840
OK.
Your mass fluency webinar was

1071
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,280
amazing.
I mean, guys.

1072
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,840
I mean, guys.
If this was a nice message, so

1073
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,680
this was on Instagram.
Hopefully if you didn't come,

1074
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,040
you got the recording as well.
Check it out.

1075
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,040
Are you planning on delivering
any more training in the future

1076
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320
or is it going to be linked to
your MASU platform?

1077
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,560
I shared the recording of my
staff team and we're excited to

1078
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
boost fluency in school and get
on the MASU trial.

1079
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,840
I genuinely, and people like,
oh, you, you built mathsu, of

1080
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,840
course you're going to say that.
The reaction was so nice.

1081
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,840
It was because, you know, you
and I hate them.

1082
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,320
We've again, we've LED maths for
a long time.

1083
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,040
We've literally done maths
training for a long time, but

1084
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,080
only within trusts or within
schools or like hubs that we've

1085
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,000
been working with.
Yeah.

1086
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,280
This was one of the first times
we really put ourselves out

1087
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,080
there to be like, let's talk
about fluency.

1088
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,600
Let's literally do it as like a
CPD session.

1089
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,960
Yeah, of course we talked about
maths at the end because it

1090
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,440
links over here because that
maths who came after our

1091
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,680
obsession with fluency and being
really good at actually doing

1092
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
maths.
And the reaction was

1093
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,600
overwhelmingly wow, thank you so
much.

1094
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,840
Like we had emails from people
signing up for Mapso straight

1095
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,320
away, which was like, yes,
please get on that trial.

1096
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,960
You can book a demo by the way,
and trials are very limited for

1097
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,280
the links bit.
So if you want to trial before

1098
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,760
the end of the year, get in
touch now and we'll see if

1099
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
there's space, but if not, we
can start September.

1100
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,320
So get in touch either way.
Now I've done that, I can say

1101
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,280
yeah.
How did you how did you feel

1102
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,840
having delivered it?
Like what?

1103
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,640
What were your because I've a
lot of people out there who are

1104
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,560
getting more experience and
thinking I'm CPD might be

1105
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,280
something, you know, I'm going
to deliver training to staff.

1106
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,040
Sure.
I want people to know that we've

1107
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,760
done this for a long time and I
still was nervous beforehand.

1108
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,000
Yeah, always, always.
I mean, we've been having a

1109
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000
conversation before this podcast
and saying like, we still

1110
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,480
haven't maybe necessarily even
found like the optimal way of

1111
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,800
delivery when it's two of us.
Like quite often we're so

1112
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,800
passionate in our own way that
it's like, I could have

1113
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,640
genuinely turned my camera off
and just, and just let you

1114
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,160
deliver the whole thing and you
would have just been in your

1115
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,960
element.
And likewise, if I'd planned it

1116
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,240
my way and started from the
start, I could have equally done

1117
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,760
that.
And I think for for us, it's

1118
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,920
like, OK, how do we bounce off
each other perfectly in these

1119
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,520
webinars because we both want to
say so much stuff.

1120
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,400
But I still think, you know, the
information got across and it

1121
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,280
lent itself more to just letting
one person really get into depth

1122
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,800
of our conversation.
It's absolutely fine.

1123
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,920
But what was really nice was
when a few people got in touch

1124
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,240
afterwards, we had one e-mail
from a local school who said,

1125
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:08,360
can you please come into our
school and deliver some more

1126
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,000
fluency training to everyone?
Because I think actually the,

1127
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
the benefit for everyone is
there.

1128
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,400
Like I want all of our staff to
understand this shifting, this

1129
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,880
sort of slight shifting
mentality we need to have in

1130
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,680
terms of like really
prioritising fluency and not

1131
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,600
just thinking of it as, oh, it's
one of these three things and

1132
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,240
any of them could be dropped.
Or not even that.

1133
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,600
Or it's just the least important
one.

1134
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,480
We get it as we go.
Even that, right?

1135
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,760
What I liked with that as well
was it was like, yeah, we don't

1136
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,320
need to come in and like
basically help us and consult on

1137
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,320
it, but also think about the
timetable.

1138
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,480
But they're, they're really
thinking like, let's get this

1139
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,360
right.
We might need to change

1140
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,760
literally how we timetable
maths.

1141
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,400
And I do think that if you're
going to make huge change with

1142
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,920
maths in your school or
anything, to be, to be honest,

1143
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,760
in your school whatsoever, you
have to actively work at it and

1144
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,560
put things into it and change
things and re prioritise things

1145
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,560
because there'll be lots of
people who say, you know, we

1146
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,760
really need to prioritise
things.

1147
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,360
Yes, so important.
Wow, these kids can't do the

1148
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,160
most basic thing, but we've only
got an hour for maths so I can't

1149
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,800
give any time to it.
So I guess we won't do anything.

1150
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,720
Yeah, new.
That's not the answer.

1151
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,920
Firstly, try and get more time
as you can.

1152
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,720
What a ridiculous thing for me
to say to people.

1153
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,400
And I said so much.
There's no time the curriculum

1154
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,080
whatsoever.
But I would personally argue

1155
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,720
that you should have an hour and
15 of maths everyday.

1156
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,720
I, I, I don't think 50 minutes
of maths is enough.

1157
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,640
I just genuinely, I just don't
think that's that's enough If

1158
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,320
you want to really cover the
curriculum and become really

1159
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,680
fluent in things.
Can you work with 50 minutes to

1160
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,760
now?
Of course you can.

1161
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,000
Does it mean that if you have,
you know, OK, I've only got 50

1162
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,160
minutes now, Does it mean
fluency is now not the most

1163
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,360
important thing in the world to
get right?

1164
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,120
No, it's even more important
than ever because you don't get

1165
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,000
as much time.
So a big thing we're going to do

1166
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,760
and we've already spoken to a
bunch of schools about this, is

1167
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,200
just see what kind of timetable
you have and how we can fix

1168
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,280
this.
Because I do think you need

1169
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,880
really specific section cordoned
off time for maths basics, maths

1170
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,800
fluency.
Lots of schools call them maths

1171
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,520
meetings, other schools call
them maths interventions.

1172
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,840
Some schools just call it
starter time.

1173
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,240
Whatever you want to call it,
it's separate to the main

1174
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,400
curriculum you work through.
It's 15101520 minutes, whatever

1175
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,440
it will be dedicated to that
every single day.

1176
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,200
You'll see, you'll see progress
of.

1177
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Course you will.
There's nothing there's not.

1178
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,000
It seems so simple when you say
it like that, isn't it?

1179
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,800
But like you said, it's just the
constraints of the, the time in

1180
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,560
a day that people struggle with.
And it'd be interesting,

1181
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,560
interesting thought experiment,
even maybe just for you right

1182
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,120
now, like just to think, if
you're wondering where, where do

1183
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,480
we, how do we change things?
Is it a case of cutting things

1184
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,800
back from the main curriculum?
Or is it a case of taking time

1185
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,200
away from other areas of the
curriculum?

1186
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,760
Maybe like English has got 2 1/2
hours.

1187
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,160
Do we take do we take half an
hour away from English, but then

1188
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,280
we struggle with English.
Like I understand that the

1189
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,880
challenges there.
It'd be interesting to think

1190
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,280
like from the ground upright.
If you only had 10 minutes to

1191
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,120
teach maths, imagine you only
had 10 minutes, what would you

1192
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,440
prioritise as a teacher?
If you had 20 minutes, what

1193
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,640
would you prioritise?
It'd be interesting to see what

1194
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,520
different people say.
I think some people if they, if

1195
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,040
you like, if you said to
someone, can you make progress

1196
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,680
with kids?
If you if you taught them every

1197
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,880
day, every academic day of the
year and you only had 10 minutes

1198
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,520
of maths, could you make some
progress?

1199
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,640
Yes, because it's the progress I
make in my my 10:15 minutes.

1200
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,360
I get everyday fluency.
You're doing that.

1201
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,840
Yeah, right.
It makes the progress with them.

1202
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,320
Cool exactly right.
So like, I think it could be

1203
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,880
quite a fun for experiment to go
up to and then you get up to the

1204
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,120
classic 60 minutes and say, cool
cat, how can when we structure

1205
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,880
this, we've got 60 minutes of
maths everyday.

1206
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,160
How can we structure this where
we're not saying there's no time

1207
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600
for fluency and you're doing 5
hours of maths a week and you're

1208
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,040
saying there's no time for
fluency every week.

1209
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,600
That's crazy to me.
Of course there's time.

1210
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,280
We've just got to re prioritise
2040.

1211
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Yeah, I'd go 2040 genuinely, but
it's 40 minutes, not enough.

1212
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,080
I promise you it's enough
because what you, what you, just

1213
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,880
what you, it's what you need to
be malleable as well.

1214
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,960
But if 40 minutes is enough,
right, in terms of if you're

1215
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,920
doing everything like I've just
said, you need more than an

1216
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,360
hour.
So I understand someone said,

1217
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,120
well, how you say 40 minutes is
enough in total, you need more

1218
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,560
than an hour, I think.
But if you've got an hour, the,

1219
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,680
the foundational stuff of the
arithmetic and the fluency and

1220
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,640
understanding the maths has to
come first.

1221
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,400
And then in your main lesson,
sometimes you're literally doing

1222
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,720
that as well.
Yeah, right.

1223
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,120
But if you can do that and
you've got a solid base, it

1224
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,280
allows for your problem solving.
If the children are better at

1225
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,320
that in the 1st place, they'll
be able to problem solve more

1226
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,040
quickly.
When it comes to the lesson, you

1227
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,280
can zoom through stuff more
quickly because you've got a

1228
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,360
much stronger base, a much
stronger solid foundation.

1229
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,400
I know of schools, well, just
take our school for example,

1230
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,440
very successful with maths, our
school really successful in the

1231
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,440
years that we've been leading
it.

1232
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,320
And for that whole time, yeah,
we fought for it.

1233
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,160
But maths Actual core maths
lessons were 50 minutes long.

1234
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Yeah, 50 minutes.
Yeah.

1235
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,080
And it was enough it.
Was not.

1236
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,160
Sometimes it felt like it
wasn't, but then, but that was

1237
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,240
more down to genuinely, I'd
reflect on that lesson and be

1238
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,600
like, do you know what?
I could have just not done this

1239
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,600
or done this a bit differently.
And I would have been if I had.

1240
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,720
If I could go back in time, I
could have made it work in

1241
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:34,760
almost every single.
Situation.

1242
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,720
Yeah, yeah, of course, of
course, definitely.

1243
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,440
So I think basically you have to
make the change and and not just

1244
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,400
think, well, I can't do it.
No, do you know what you have to

1245
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,960
get away from thinking?
Everything has to be in the

1246
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,880
books all the time.
No, I have to show problem

1247
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,520
solving every single lesson.
No, you don't.

1248
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,240
Big one for me, right, in terms
of this thinking outside the box

1249
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,680
a little bit is I felt like
there's an obsession with every

1250
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,600
lesson has to be stand alone and
like the objective needs to go

1251
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:00,880
from start to complete in that
lesson.

1252
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,240
I always found that really odd
because sometimes where I was

1253
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,440
like I I just want to do this
over 2 days like isn't the

1254
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,800
lesson.
It just isn't complete after we

1255
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,080
we start on this journey I.
Think a lot of teachers do that

1256
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,320
to be.
Fair, I do think so, but I do

1257
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,360
feel like there's there's there
is like a few fit, a lot of

1258
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,600
teaching, a lot of schools.
What's the next?

1259
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,960
It's very much like at the end
of each lesson you need to have

1260
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,400
that.
The whole process needs to be

1261
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,160
there.
It needs to be done like it's

1262
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,000
all completed.
So people panic thinking, Oh no,

1263
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,040
I've got an hour and 10 minutes
stuff to fit into this 40 minute

1264
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,080
lesson.
OK, 2 / 2 days.

1265
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,480
And you know, it's not always as
simple as that, but sometimes it

1266
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,760
is as simple as that though.
It is, it is just, yeah, this is

1267
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,920
going to take longer than a
lesson.

1268
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,880
So I'm going to start this
today.

1269
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,640
We're on a get to and then we're
going to pick up the books

1270
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,760
tomorrow and we're going to
carry on.

1271
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,720
We're going to reflect on what
we did for two minutes and then

1272
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,080
carry on.
That's OK.

1273
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,880
Yeah, Yeah.
You didn't mark the books

1274
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,160
yesterday.
I know.

1275
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,880
We haven't finished.
See, we haven't finished.

1276
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,360
Yeah, he's fine.
Yeah.

1277
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,240
And nothing happened because
we're just going to do more

1278
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,320
practise tomorrow.
We're making progress.

1279
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:51,240
Yeah, it doesn't.
My own.

1280
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,320
Honestly.
Honestly, the obsession with

1281
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,400
doing stuff just because it's
always been done and not because

1282
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,880
it actually does something that
you think it does.

1283
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,720
Or for optics.
A waste of time, do what's

1284
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,040
useful for your kids, which is
normally the most foundational,

1285
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
fundamental base of maths.
So just to answer this question

1286
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,800
then before we finish, are we
going to do some more?

1287
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Is it always going to be linked
to Mathsu?

1288
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,080
I think it's going to make sense
for us to link to Mathsu for a

1289
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,120
bit whilst we're pushing the
platform and hoping to get into

1290
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,720
as many schools as possible.
But personally, I would do more

1291
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,280
CPD.
Like, I don't think maybe I was

1292
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,480
naive beforehand and now I've
done a bit, I think.

1293
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,080
Oh yeah.
And I don't think the layman

1294
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,320
understands how much work goes
into good CPD.

1295
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,880
Should a lot of prep, obviously,
of course, you have to really

1296
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,320
research it and put it together
and make sure.

1297
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,720
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, I'd love to do more, I

1298
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,240
think.
Stay tuned in general.

1299
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:38,280
Yeah.
So let us know what you'd like

1300
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,320
to hear.
Because we can do anything to

1301
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,400
do.
Maths is our jam.

1302
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,800
So fluency is the thing we're
focusing on, but it doesn't mean

1303
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,160
we don't think everything else
is important.

1304
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,240
And if you want a hand with
fluency in your school, get in

1305
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,560
touch.
Hayden and I can absolutely do

1306
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,800
some consultation with your
school.

1307
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,360
Have an idea?
Just a chat as well.

1308
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,800
We're we're laid back.
You know, we're like absolutely

1309
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,320
right.
Hayden, anything you want to say

1310
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,760
before we finish?
I am going to say enjoy your day

1311
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,920
because I can't think of
anything else.

1312
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,000
Goodbye everybody.
How about leave us or if you

1313
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,400
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1314
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,840
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Join the WhatsApp community down

1315
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,440
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1316
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,240
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