Ep 172: Q+A: Student Loan Debt, Declining Literacy Levels & A Maths Debate!

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teacher

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
For some reason I've got a

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Margaret Mine just I've.
Only just realised I was

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thinking about myself.
I'm gonna keep it like it's

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gonna be like a flashback.
Do you what you look like one a

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teacher.
Thank you.

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That's you look like a teacher.
You be good at that.

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Can I get it behind my ear?
If it goes there, it will stay

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there.
Oh oh, it's great for listeners.

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This is fantastic podcast.
There you go.

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For listeners, it is behind his
ear.

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Thank you listeners of the
podcast.

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You, please.
Some people are watching.

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Yeah, some people.
Many.

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I used to this all the time as a
teacher.

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And the kids, kids pick up on
stuff, don't they?

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Small little changes or
something.

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They just notice it.
Like if you have a haircut, it's

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the biggest big thing in the
world the next day.

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And I got to the point in my
career where towards the end of

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the school year when they're all
really, we're all really

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comfortable with each other,
obviously.

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And one kid I always remember
put their pen behind their ear

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and rolled the sleeves up.
I'm saying I missed the price.

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Look at me, I missed the price.
Then the whole kids, the whole

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past that's.
Really, it's like.

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That's the two things that they
take for me as a teacher.

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Things behind his ear.
Yeah.

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Sleeves rolled up.
Yeah, that mean it was always

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like a running joke at the
school.

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It was like a it was like a cute
little internal joke, wasn't it?

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At the school, Dylan would walk
into the staff room for the for

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the meeting or whatever, and
everyone would be like, oh, look

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at Dylan and you'll be like, oh,
where's my pen?

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Where's my pen?
You's my pen.

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You've got the pen behind your
ear, Dylan.

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We'd all have it was really
nice.

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And the ultimate version was
when I had a pen behind both

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ears.
Yes, 1 green for marking, 1

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pencil.
Just you never know.

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Yeah, and never know.
And you get really annoyed

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really quickly at stuff.
So when you couldn't find that

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pen in two seconds, shut up.
You'd be like I'm.

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Not gonna know quickly.
I'm gonna know quickly.

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Yeah, it's really annoying.
I don't know quickly.

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First question, when you write 3
* 4, what are you actually?

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What are you actually
representing?

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Not the first question, but
let's go.

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Come on, I know you waiting for
it.

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Context here and cause what
you're what's gonna happen is

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you're gonna make me out to
sound like I think something is

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wrong is.
Wrong.

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You're gonna make me out to
sound like I was getting angry

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unreasonably.
So let's.

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Let's go.
Didn't say not angry though,

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just unreasonably.
That's what we're judging.

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Here oh, I was getting.
We have just recorded a reel

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that you'll see, you probably
have seen already on Instagram

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about 3 * 4 and whether it means
three lots of four, which it

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does, which is three groups of
four, which is true in repeated

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edition, Repeated edition, it's
backed up by the NCTM.

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Anything reputable that you can?
Use can I just, can I dive into

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this quickly because we've just
glossed over that because it's a

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huge thing.
It's a huge thing where teachers

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who've taught maths for years
and years and years, who we

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really respect have had the
opposite view of what it means.

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And we're just going to dive in
for just very quickly.

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I just want to give the
groundwork for everyone

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listening because 3 * 4,
there'll be lots of people

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saying what the hell, who cares?
It's the same as 4 * 3.

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No multiplication is repeated
addition. 3 * 4 is 4 three

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times.
You have to kind of work

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backwards.
What you are repeatedly adding

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is the second number in a times
table question.

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It's why when you're learning a
times table, the times table

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you're learning comes second,
right?

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1 * 7 is 7/2 times, 7 is 14.
You're adding seven each time.

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And it's very common for people
to think that you're repeatedly

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adding the first number.
Yeah.

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So in 3 * 4, lots of people will
think it's 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 and it

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just isn't, and that's just a
mathematical fact.

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I agree.
And I thought of a really good

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way to absolutely, undeniably
prove that genuinely with

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algebra, when you write 3X, we
all know that means three groups

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of whatever X is.
We know that is what it means.

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And so the only thing I came
back at dealing with because I

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think it's interesting that
semantically lots of is a one

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way meaning three lots of four
logically and the way it sounds

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can only mean three groups of
four.

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It just doesn't make sense that
that that those words could mean

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four lots of.
Four times even three times?

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How often does the four come up?
Three times?

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You literally say 3 * 4.
Exactly right.

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And and my only thing, because
this is what I see online people

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talking about it, is the the
specific phrase multiplied by

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also has or at least it feels
like in the way language works,

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it has a one way meaning of if I
said 3 * 4, it very much sounds

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and feels like you've got 3 and
you're multiplying that by 4 as

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in four times you're taking
three and it's multiplying.

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Think about how we use
multiplying in science.

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When something multiplies, it
multiplies out four times.

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Getting angry bashing a
microphone.

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No, I'm not getting angry.
I was just fine because as I was

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trying to say that you do you do
what you do best, which was Nah

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Nah, you just shouted at me and
basically telling me I run

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before I finished the.
Point because it was, it was the

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64th time I've explained how the
word that's a misunderstanding

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of what's going on and all.
Also, if you want to push it to

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the enth degree of I'm saying 3
* 4 and I mean 3 * 4, fine, you

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should write it down as 4 * 3.
Yeah, that's whatever then

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whatever you mean.
But when you look at firstly,

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the number sentence on a
whiteboard that says 4 * 3 you,

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it does.
That does not mean multiplied by

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three and having three lots of
four, it literally doesn't mean

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that.
And you can say, well, I think

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it means that well, you're
wrong.

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Like only only at the 10th,
11th, 12th, 15th, 45th, 785th

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time for explaining do I start
to think there's not much more I

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can tell you here.
What you're thinking is right is

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wrong and and it's OK to be
wrong.

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It's fine.
So here's the irony.

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I agree with that.
And I already know this.

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Yeah.
And all I was saying to you was

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maybe we should address that in
the video.

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And you were like, no.
There's a coming cover.

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Like that's the thing people get
wrong because it does sound

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right and we just need to
explain that the phrase, even

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though it sounds like that,
yeah, it is just a

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misinterpretation of of the
multiplication.

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Symbols.
So if you see on the board 4X34

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lots of three 4 * 3, you should.
If you want to be really picky

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and say, well, linguistically
this means that you should read

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that as 3 * 4.
Yeah, you should read it

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backwards then.
Like you want to be really picky

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about it, but this is
specifically about people who

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look at the writing first and
say that's 4 * 3 and therefore

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it means that no, it doesn't.
You are wrong.

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Exactly, and I wish we'd filmed
that.

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Because that's what I meant.
But we've got it now and when

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someone rage bait comments,
which is what we want online on

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our social media, sometimes
we'll be able to explain it to

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them.
But it's just frustrating, and I

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get it because it can be quite
Maths is a very precious

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subject.
People get very, very precious

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about it.
We've been doing videos online

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about explainers, how to teach
stuff.

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And a big, big thing for us, and
a lot of the videos we do is

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that there are lots of ways to
do maths right.

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There are lots of ways to do
maths.

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But what I find interesting,
running along parallel to that

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fact that there are lots of ways
to do maths.

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Quite often there's only one way
to properly explain something.

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Yeah.
And other ways are just wrong.

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So you've got to always balance
that.

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You know when you're explaining
that when you do short

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multiplication and the four in
the 10s column is actually 40

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and therefore it's 40 * 6, not
just 4 * 6, and you get to your

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answer, etcetera, and you move
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There is only one way of really
accurately explaining that,

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right?
Yeah.

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But there are multiple ways that
you can write out or do a

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process or have shortcuts to get
to a right answer.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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So I, I always find like my job
as a maths teacher is to hold

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really high standards on
vocabulary, your language,

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you'll use your explanations of
why things work, but then

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letting the kids run loose
within that confine and having

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three or four different ways of
doing.

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Something exactly particularly
important when it is

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commutative, because at the end
of the day, addition and

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multiplication, you're going to
get the same answer, which is

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why people, I guess, gloss over
this and why there are so many

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misconceptions.
Because ultimately people go,

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oh, it doesn't really matter
because we get the same answer.

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But it we wouldn't say it
doesn't matter with subtraction.

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We wouldn't say that with
division that 24 / 3 could be

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either way because Oh no, it
can't.

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That's got a very, very, very
specific meaning and a very

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specific way of showing that
visually.

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And there's no reason
multiplication shouldn't be held

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to the same standards.
It's just that because you get

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the same answer, we don't really
don't really care.

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And clearly, just because you
get the same answer, it doesn't

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mean it's representing something
the same that's happening.

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We did the example on the video
of 99 + 1 is 120 * 5 is 100.

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But if we actually breakdown
what the maths is doing there,

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it's representing something
that's happening in the real

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world usually, right?
That's the application of maths,

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and we're showing something as a
visual representation.

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I'd draw those two things very
differently.

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And if I was imagining a
situation in my head where let's

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say you had 99 suites and I had
one and we put them together,

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that even in itself is a very
different description of if I

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had 50 suites and you had 50
suites.

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Yeah, even 50 + 50 is very
different to 99 + 1, even though

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the answer, it only represents
one part of the story we're

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telling here.
That's why I really like in

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early years in Key Stage 1,
where mass is embedded in

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storytelling, because it makes
it real.

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It makes the children visualise
the numbers and what the

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operations are actually doing to
the numbers itself.

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OK.
What about this one then?

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Because this is probably the
closest thing you can get to

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what we did with multiplication,
which was literally we were just

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expressing the commutativity of
numbers and showing how the

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representations changes 99 + 1
or 1 + 99.

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It's like you having 99 and me
having one, or me having 99 and

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you having one.
Yes, the answer's the same.

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And the fact we're putting our,
pulling it together in our

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story, maybe the outcome is we
have 100 to do the same task,

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right?
The outcome is the same, but the

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story and the visualisation is
different.

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It's very different me having 99
of something or one of

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something.
And if you translate that to the

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real world, you are often not
working backwards.

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When you look at a number
sentence on a board, you see

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everything, right?
You see what's happening, the

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multiplication symbol, the
addition symbol, whatever the

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operation is and you see the
answer all at once.

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So you can interpret the answer
1st and then work backwards.

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That's why a lot of people
think, oh, it doesn't matter,

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they're both 100.
It doesn't matter if I swap it

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In real life, what tends to
happen with maths is when you're

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working through a problem, you
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So you already have 99, already
have one.

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And then I need to figure out
that we find the total.

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I need to figure out that we're
adding.

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You might have to figure out
that we're taking away.

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You might have to figure out
that we're multiplying for every

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reason we have lots of and bags
of things, right.

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So that process of actually
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what's happening lends itself to
a really powerful thing when

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you're teaching mass, which is
to be really explicit about what

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the number sentence is actually
showing you and not just

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obsessing over the answer at the
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Yeah.
And there is a correct way to

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visualise that, which is
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there.
Even with that, if it said I

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have 99 and we visualised me of
1, yeah, and you have one

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visualizer, you have 99, that is
just wrong.

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You know, the answer becomes the
same.

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Finding one more is different to
finding 99 more.

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Like if you think about how you
can do phrase addition

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differently, find one more than
99, find 99 more than one.

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They are different things
ultimately.

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And they might be more efficient
now, it'd be less efficient.

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And if you know the links
between them and how it works

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and you have that base
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absolutely, you just swap them
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I say to the children all the
time, my year 4 class when we're

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proficient with our times
tables, let's say up to 8.

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So you do twos, fives and 10s in
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In year 3, you're doing your 3
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And in year 4 we're learning a
six or seven or 86 or sevens and

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nines.
And then we're doing right, left

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in the twelves, right.
There's some point in year 4

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where my class were really
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fours and eights and we were
learning our sevens.

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So when we first introduced our
sevens, I would say to them, OK,

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look, that says 8 * 7.
And the children would be like,

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oh God, that's infamously
tricky.

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One 8 * 7.
I don't know, my sevens, a child

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would say to me, and I'd say
immediately back, but what do

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you know?
What?

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Look at that question.
What do you know and about what?

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I know my eights.
Yeah, right.

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Let's count in eights.
I understand, right?

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I get the fact that 8 * 7 means
8 lots of seven.

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And technically you should be
adding up in sevens, right?

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Otherwise it would say 7 * 8.
But for that child who

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understands commutativity
because they have a good base

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knowledge of understanding for
the whole journey, I can then do

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the shortcut of we can swap it
around.

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It's the same.
I want to get to an answer here.

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And we understand that there's a
commutativity between these two

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numbers.
So why don't we do 7 * 8?

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Why don't we add up in our
eights, which we can do 7 times?

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Look, you know it's 56.
By the way, that matches the

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other way around because of
commutativity.

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In fact, you know most of your
sevens already.

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You know one lot of seven, you
know 2, you know three, you know

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4, you know 5, you know 6, you
know 10.

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You know most of your sevens
already because of cumulativity,

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not because you suddenly know
how to count in sevens.

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And technically if we were to
break down the seven times table

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question, you struggle with all
of them because you can't count

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in your sevens yet.
But if we have that base

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understanding and don't just go
to the shortcut, I've just

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swapped them, the answers the
same.

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That's going to build and
reinforce later on and you'll

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see the benefits I think in the
long run.

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And that's why it's important.
And that's why when someone gets

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angry at me when I say 4 * 3 is
4, lots of three is 3 + 3 + 3 +

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3, when someone says well no,
it's 4 + 4 + 4.

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You could do this, you did that.
I understand right, but you are

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wrong.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Ultimately, ultimately you
should put, I tell you what, you

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should build a math platform.
I'm telling you, I'm telling

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you.
I love maths.

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If you did build a math
platform, what would you call

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it?
I.

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Think I'd call it maths and I
think I put a link down below so

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you could book a demo if we go
to school.

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That's crazy.
That's crazy that you could book

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a demo and find out what we're
all about.

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We've had 100% success rate so
far on even people from math

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hubs and.
Yeah, and see what others have,

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really.
Enjoyed the products and drink.

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It's going to be
transformational.

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That's crazy.
But anyway.

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We'll let you know if we ever do
that.

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Should we get to the actual
first question?

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Yeah.
Yeah, By the way, I'm just going

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to say just finish this off
anytime in the future.

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We have some basically anytime
in the future where I am trying

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to say something slightly
different and you go blah, blah,

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blah, blah.
Don't want to listen to me?

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We'll do it on the podcast
because then you listen to me.

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We actually have a really nice
conversation and we get to the

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actual conclusion, which I
wanted to get to you.

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Earlier I know you too well,
right?

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I can't be bothered if we can't
get a viral clip out of it,

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what's the point?
Right, guys, shut up.

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You vote now in the poll that
doesn't exist.

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Should should we have included
an explanation of why multiplied

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by might cause some
misconceptions or not?

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And if it's not, don't tell me.
Listen, I'll do another video.

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I'll.
Do another video.

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They're going down well though,
so thank you everyone.

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Go and check out our Instagram
or TikTok.

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We're doing some math
explainers.

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They are doing very well and we
love it, Deed, we love it.

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Do it until the cows come home.
We came here today to film this

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and I said to Aiden, we need to
film this video right now.

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And I've got the whiteboard out.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's why actually, going full
circle, I've got this and.

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That's what's sparked the 1st 15
minutes of this podcast.

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Shall we go to our first
question?

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Go on, you read it.
From I'm not sure this could be

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a correct name.
Liz Lanya.

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Yeah.
Lasagna.

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Lasagna.
I got it.

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Very good if it is your real
name.

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Lovely name.
Love the cuisine, the name.

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Oh God oh God.
Hi boys, I was thinking about

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the teacher.
Sorry, there's something about

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high boys that relaxes.
Me.

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Hi, boys.
It's nice, isn't it?

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It's nice, yeah.
Lovely.

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I'm a man though, and I'm always
right.

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I'm a man.
Amanda's always right.

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No, I'm always right when I'm
explicitly saying you I'm right.

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Yeah, like we said with the
cucumber, don't maybe come back

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to the cucumber come.
Back to the cucumber.

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Don't what you did to me on the
cucumber.

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That can't happen again all.
Right.

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Explain it quickly because a lot
of people won't know what's the

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cucumber.
Story We were in Tesco.

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I won a cucumber in my sandwich.
We were going back to Hayden's.

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I said to Hayden, is there
cucumber in your house?

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You went yeah.
And I went no, it's there

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definitely cucumber in your
house.

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And you went yeah, 99%.
I was like, well it's not yes

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then, is it?
It's maybe.

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I think so.
I'm pretty sure.

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Is it yes or no?
And you went Yeah.

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And I went.
Hayden, please, please.

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You've got to be.
It's 100.

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If it's 99%, I'll spend £0.40 on
a cucumber for a sandwich.

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You went.
Oh, OK.

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Yeah, 100%.
I went OK.

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I trust you went back to yours.
No cucumber in the bloody

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fridge.
I would have spent £0.40.

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Just say if you don't know for
sure something's right, don't

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say yes.
Say I'm pretty sure.

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And that's why my outlook is if
I'm saying it's definitely

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something, it's because I am
100% sure.

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Sometimes.
Am I wrong?

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Maybe.
But I like to think that I have

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that as my boundary, especially
when it comes to cucumber if I'm

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running my sandwich.
And that is why he no longer

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listens to a single thing I say
and will.

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I don't trust you.
Here we go.

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Right question.
Hi, boys.

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That's nice.
I was thinking about the teacher

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recruitment crisis and I have an
idea which I think you will

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love.
I think we should forgive

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student loans of any teacher of
more than 10 years service

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really incentivize staying with
it.

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What do you guys say?
That's really interesting

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because I look at retention and
recruitment in general and I do

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think that we said it before,
it's heavily way towards

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recruitment.
I actually still think this

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would hit recruitment well as an
idea, definitely, but I think

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more than that, retainment would
help so much.

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Right?
100% I got to 9 years out of

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that extra year.
Yeah, got you.

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I'd have done an extra year I.
Mean, I would do that as seven,

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yeah, if I was seven years deep,
yeah.

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And I was like, if I quit now,
I'll have a student loan

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forever, genuinely, because
that's how it works, because

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it's it's so rigged that you
can't actually pay it off ever

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because the interest payments
are the interest is higher than

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the actual payments.
Student tax.

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Ridiculous.
It's just, it's just a 9% tax on

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anyone that's under a certain
age.

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If I was at 7 years, it's six
years.

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Maybe.
I don't know where the bar is.

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Five years if I did, one year in
if I.

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Was just thinking of going into
teaching that's.

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Amazing around but you would
though wouldn't you?

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There is a point where it would
be a no brainer.

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You'd be like, it's worth a
three-year investment of my time

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to do a job that ultimately I do
still love to have my entire

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student.
Loan White.

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OK, do you think then just
flipping this straight away

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because both of us think
immediately it's a good idea,

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Maybe we can go into why student
loans are just an absolute

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nonsense in a second name.
But OK, thinking of the other

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side of the argument here, do
you think it would wrongly

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incentivize people who actually
don't want to do the job

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anymore, aren't fully invested
in it, but think to themselves,

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Oh well I'm 7-8 years in, I'll
just do it for a couple more

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years, not put my all into it,
not be the best teacher I can

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be.
Very expensive on the pay scale,

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potentially blocking out jobs
for people who are coming in.

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Do you think that's an issue?
Or is the fact that recruitment

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and retention is so poor we need
teachers overriding that

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immediately?
I think that is an issue.

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I don't think you can ever have
a perfect situation where

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there's not going to be some
sort of downside to a situation

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like this.
I don't think it's enough to

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make the idea not good enough.
I think it's already an issue.

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I think people are already
trapped in in, in all walks of

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life.
People are already just trapped

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in their jobs financially.
Like for loads of reasons.

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That's like actually really just
common and normal.

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So I'm like, OK, OK.
Does it add a little bit more to

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the already massive epidemic of
people being trapped in jobs

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like they don't want to do
because the job's horrendous for

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their well-being, but they have
to because they've got a

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mortgage?
Yeah, maybe.

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But.
So now think about those who are

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leaving because the whole point
is people are leaving.

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This will make them not leave.
So Hyperware are now not the

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ones who are just trapped in the
job anyway.

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Because if you are being really
cynical about it, those who are

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just trapped in the job anyway,
save your money, don't get rid

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of the student loan.
They're staying anyway.

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So it's hyper focused now on the
people who are actually going to

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leave because we want them to
not leave.

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Do you think that would
incentivize them to say, do you

454
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,360
know what?
I'll stay because I look, I left

455
00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,560
after nine years and I genuinely
look at this and I think I would

456
00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,360
have done another year and then
I would have quit straight

457
00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,400
after.
So like is that worth the amount

458
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,640
of money that would be wiped off
my student?

459
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,720
Loan yeah that that's probably
more interesting to me is I

460
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,560
think you'd then see a massive
drop off in like when teachers

461
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,880
get to 10 years and you get this
huge like epidemic of people

462
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,840
quitting for 10 years I think
that's what that's probably what

463
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,240
happened then you'd have a new
problem to address I don't think

464
00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,160
it solves anything I just think
it is what it's it's one thing I

465
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,680
think alongside maybe lots of
other incentives mainly just

466
00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,120
making the job more bearable I
think this is a really nice perk

467
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,720
maybe that's the way to look at
it I think ultimately the

468
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,200
problem of retention is a much
bigger systemic issue with

469
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,400
education and mostly to do with
teacher workload and mostly to

470
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,360
do with yeah just the conditions
of in in working as a teacher

471
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,760
whereas and I think there's also
on top of that literally no

472
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,680
perks anyway yeah so maybe that
perk would be enough just.

473
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,560
To but if you're moving jobs
like holidays is a perk.

474
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,720
There are perks of the job that
keep people in the job.

475
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,440
So you think adding this on
would help some way, but not

476
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,720
maybe matter I.
Think some way I think it would

477
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,720
be a nod in the right direction
of, oh, we do actually value

478
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,440
teachers because at the moment
the moralist is is through the

479
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,560
floor.
Would it be worth the money?

480
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,440
From the government.
'S perspective it sounds, it

481
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,040
sounds as if what you're saying
it's not worth the money, but

482
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,360
it's a nice.
Thing I think if we think of it

483
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:04,680
from a business perspective
just.

484
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,640
From the yeah balance of the
budget, is it worth the

485
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,160
investment from the government
to do this?

486
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,240
Is it worth it?
I'd say so, yeah, I'd say so.

487
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,800
I think if we look at, I think
if you took a random selection

488
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,360
of people who have been, who
right now have been working for

489
00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:22,480
more than 10 years, I reckon on
average those people have paid

490
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,440
off what they pay for the
student loan in interest in that

491
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,120
time anyway.
On average, I reckon there's

492
00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:28,120
some people may be closer to the
10 year where it's like actually

493
00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:30,240
know that if they did another
eight years, maybe their

494
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,360
interest payments would have
covered it.

495
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,680
But I've, I know when I looked
at student loans, it was like,

496
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,440
oh, if you pay this for the full
35 years or whatever it is now,

497
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,400
you pay that loan off like five
times in interest alone.

498
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,280
It's ridiculous.
So do you know what?

499
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,480
Yeah, it's a worthy investment.
They've already paid their

500
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,400
bloody student loans back anyway
in interest.

501
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,560
Playing a private company who
you've who you've given a

502
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,600
contract to to manage the funds
of the next generation who you

503
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,040
tricked into thinking needed the
university degree to get on in

504
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,920
life.
Exactly right.

505
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,320
Here's the issue I have of this
because it's two pronged.

506
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,200
When you go to university,
right?

507
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,960
There's there's two sets of
outcomes in my opinion that I

508
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,800
want to focus on the first out.
Com it's people who go to

509
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,520
university who simply didn't
need to.

510
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,560
I know a lot of people who went
to university simply because it

511
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,240
was the next step in education.
It's what the school pushed

512
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,800
because saying certain
percentage of your cohort went

513
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,960
to university is great.
When it comes to people joining

514
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,080
your school, it was you know
you're pushing that direction to

515
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,400
all just go to uni and do this.
Saddled with 10s of thousands of

516
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,440
pounds worth of debt, end up in
a career that even didn't even

517
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,600
need the degree in the 1st place
or isn't using the degree you

518
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,040
got right.
So realistically, completely a

519
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,400
waste of money for them.
And that is just insane.

520
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,880
Like we, I, I think we can all
agree that that's just mad.

521
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,560
Like I think we don't need
everyone to go to uni for them

522
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,160
to get on in life and do well.
And education is, is tricking a

523
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,040
lot of people into thinking
that's the way you have to go

524
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,800
down.
I I want to focus on people like

525
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,120
us, right, who went in down,
down a university route.

526
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,120
I did history at university and
I did PGCA.

527
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,440
So I had four years at
university and for me to be

528
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,600
qualified as a teacher, that's
the route I had to go down.

529
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,080
I could have done a three-year
degree.

530
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,080
Yeah, right.
But I, but I did a three-year

531
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,840
degree plus plus a PGCA.
So I had to do that in order to

532
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,200
get onto my PGC and then I had
to do PGC in order to be a

533
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,920
qualified teacher.
What on earth kind of message

534
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,080
are we sending people who want
to go into jobs like being a

535
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,640
doctor, being a lawyer, being a
nurse, but potentially because I

536
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,320
know this course is about
nursing as well, you know,

537
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,360
teaching these jobs that are
very well respected, huge part

538
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,880
of society need these
qualifications.

539
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,040
Yeah, right.
But we're saying we're going to

540
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,000
saddle you a 9% debt for the
rest of your career, though,

541
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,640
just because.
Yeah, what what on earth are we

542
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,040
doing?
Especially when that money's

543
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,120
underwritten by the government
in the 1st place.

544
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,360
It's just another tax.
It's total insanity.

545
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,080
Like, it's such a ridiculous
morale killer.

546
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,040
Yeah.
Like, I, I genuinely can't

547
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:46,680
fathom it.
Like, there are so many places

548
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,400
in the world where there are
different ways around.

549
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,880
Maybe you get paid more to be a
teacher at the end of it, and

550
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,320
that kind of makes up for a
little bit of it.

551
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,520
Maybe student loans is either 0
or much lower, you know, in

552
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,640
terms of the cost here.
It just seems like the worst of

553
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,160
all the world because OK, we've
increased it to 9250, whatever

554
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,440
it is nowadays per per year.
Oh, can I, can I get, I'm really

555
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,160
good at teaching.
Can I get I volunteered 8 years

556
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,480
before, can I get into it
without that?

557
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,920
I mean, there are some routes,
there are some routes, but for a

558
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,080
lot of people, the only route is
you need to go and pay this much

559
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,640
money per year or I don't have
30 grand to spare to be the

560
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,280
teacher, which is necessary for
the public service, which is

561
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,520
like the we need it for our
entire country to run.

562
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,880
Is there any other way you
could, you know, maybe let me do

563
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,520
this job for you that you need
government?

564
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,040
Well, we can borrow it.
We can lend you the money.

565
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,520
Yeah.
Oh, that's brilliant.

566
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,760
Yeah.
Is it for free?

567
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,280
You're at least going to lend me
that money.

568
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,280
And there's no interest, right?
Yeah, 'cause just just 'cause

569
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,800
you need teachers.
No, no.

570
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,360
Horrendous, horrendous interest
rates, horrendous interest

571
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,480
rates.
And we're going to cap it

572
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,400
perfectly so that you don't
quite pay, quite pay back those

573
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,560
interest per month.
And after 10 years, guess what?

574
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,840
Your loan's gone up.
It's actually higher, higher.

575
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,320
So you've given us 10 years
service.

576
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,240
You're still in crippling debt.
But we need teachers.

577
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,280
We really need more people to be
teachers.

578
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,400
Oh, should we address that issue
then?

579
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,120
That glaring issue?
Yes, we should.

580
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,400
Do you know what we can do?
Make it easier to be an

581
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,200
unqualified teacher.
Oh, what a fantastic way of

582
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,880
solving this problem.
Thank you so much.

583
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,480
That's the route we're going
down.

584
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,600
We go the easy route every
single time.

585
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,920
Why is it in society we always
seem to go for the path of least

586
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,720
resistance, which ends up being
the least resistance for the

587
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,880
people with power or the people
with money at the top.

588
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,320
And it just makes it worse and
worse and worse and worse.

589
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,680
It's fine.
We don't need to go to the

590
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,480
university anymore.
You don't need to be a fully

591
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,640
quality.
You don't have a university

592
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,680
degree to teach.
That's fine.

593
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,200
OK, so the answer was to lower
the standards.

594
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,480
And I'm still.
And I still got about 30, five,

595
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,240
£40,000 worth of debt.
Crazy.

596
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,440
What are we doing?
Paying for the privilege of

597
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,960
serving the country with its
public services, like it doesn't

598
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,880
make any sense.
But when you just say it, I'm

599
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,320
sure there's the people out
there will be like, well,

600
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,800
actually there's this reason,
this nuanced reason you've not

601
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,680
thought of that we need to OK,
maybe, but other countries

602
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,960
don't.
So there's clearly other ways of

603
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,120
doing it.
Oh, let's look at literally

604
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,720
Scotland, who fund university.
It's free.

605
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,480
Yeah.
Oh, oh, there is a way you can

606
00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,880
do it.
It's a choice.

607
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,880
There's there's always a cash
stealing because in Scotland the

608
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,000
teachers don't get paid the
same.

609
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,280
Oh no, they get paid more.
Oh, sorry, it's.

610
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,400
Better of both ones.
Yeah, yeah.

611
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800
It's like that just shows
people, oh, it's not realistic.

612
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,200
It is realistic.
You don't like that realism?

613
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Yeah, because it comes at a
choice and we can have a

614
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,120
discussion over that choice.
We can have a really nice

615
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,960
discussion on a podcast.
Instead of me getting angry very

616
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,880
quickly at you, we can talk
about it because.

617
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,960
But, but at the end of the day,
to simply say it's not

618
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,240
realistic, it's wrong.
It's realistic for so many

619
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,760
different societies around the
world.

620
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,480
We're choosing to go down this
route because we simply as a

621
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,440
country, as people governing,
don't care enough when they

622
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,040
stand there and say how
important teachers are, let's

623
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,880
clap the NHS workers and the
doctors.

624
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,480
Aren't they amazing?
Any sniff of anyone in those

625
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,520
professions trying to make a
point as to why they're being

626
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,120
screwed over by the system, or
need more help, or need more

627
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,160
support, or need extra money, or
need more funding, Any whiff of

628
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,240
that, don't miss.
So ungrateful.

629
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720
You're helping people.
Don't you care about the people?

630
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,360
Don't you care about me?
I am the people.

631
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,000
I am the people.
Help me.

632
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Why are you making it hard for
me to do anything in this life

633
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,560
and society we've built?
Help me out.

634
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:10,920
Do you care about Yes.
Yes.

635
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,680
Turn your collapse into a bloody
paycheck, then turn it around.

636
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Stop it.
Treat people the way you want

637
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,960
your society to be with
villainizing doctors, nurses,

638
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,360
teachers, these people who want
more.

639
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,360
What society do you want to live
in?

640
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,120
Do you care remotely about the
most important things in human

641
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,840
life?
Education.

642
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Healthcare what's more
important?

643
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Genuinely, I think what's more
important is probably gaining

644
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,760
infinite wealth through private
industry where you don't need a

645
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,240
degree.
I think that's probably.

646
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,600
It And that's why we started
maths too.

647
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,160
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

648
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,000
And you know what?
We'll probably make more money

649
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,520
from private industry in our
careers, hey, than we ever would

650
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,160
have done from teaching.
We will.

651
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Yeah.
And, and this is, let's be real

652
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840
for a second now of everyone
listening, that is going to

653
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,440
happen.
Yeah, we, we've already made

654
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,600
money in our private adventures
with tutoring.

655
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,520
We're going to make money with
our private ventures of MAFSU.

656
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,760
At least everything we're
building is from the groundwork

657
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,600
of oh, I really care and I want
to help people.

658
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,040
Right.
Yeah, At least that's what's

659
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,080
happening.
But at the end of the day,

660
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,000
everyone who's a teacher thinks
that.

661
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520
And it's so sad that through
your job and your career, you

662
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,040
end up at the point where you're
thinking, well, I've got to

663
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
leave then because it's not
being taken seriously.

664
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,080
Like you're so good at what
you're doing and you're

665
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,360
contributing to society so much.
But when the other option

666
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:27,240
becomes more lucrative or better
for your family, we're broken.

667
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,520
It should have been in a system
where it was a no brainer for me

668
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,120
and you to teach until we
retired.

669
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,120
Absolutely.
I wish that was the system.

670
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:35,400
Yeah, definitely.
I wanted to do that.

671
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,280
I didn't go into this career
thinking I'll do it for a couple

672
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,360
years and do something else.
I never thought that ever.

673
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,080
I just wanted to know.
Is it just crazy to think as

674
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,240
well, just wrapping this
question up, that you are that

675
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000
situation of you did a decade in
the job.

676
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Yeah.
And you came out with your

677
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,480
student loan still.
Yeah, you've provided our

678
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,800
country quality teaching.
Well, ish.

679
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,920
All right, teaching.
You know you, you provided

680
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,800
teaching.
I did.

681
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,920
Teaching for a bit.
I did teaching for just under 10

682
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
years and you came out.
I'm imagining your student loan

683
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,960
is exactly the same as what it
was.

684
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,040
It's exactly. 10 years ago it's
like within 5% even it's this,

685
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,400
it's no damage.
Isn't that mental though?

686
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Yeah, like you've come out in
debt to the to the government

687
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,440
after doing 10 years.
A private company that the

688
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,000
government have.
Contracted to look after it.

689
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Yeah, it's just, it's just see,
it's so backwards it's insane,

690
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,520
but there we go.
Should we move on to another?

691
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Question.
Yeah, let's have a look.

692
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,880
If you could ban one thing from
classroom forever, what would it

693
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,680
be?
Student loans?

694
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,800
Bantam.
Well, let's make it a bit more

695
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,280
light hearted.
I've got one actually straight

696
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,840
to this came straight to my
head.

697
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,600
Desk trays.
Oh, what do you mean?

698
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,520
I just thought, what's the first
thing that comes in my head that

699
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,240
annoys me?
Bloody desk trays.

700
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,880
You know that you can just pull
out under Destiny Rattle.

701
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,120
Where the kids going to put?
Stuff anywhere else?

702
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,080
What on the table?
Honestly, they're right.

703
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,480
When you look in the desk tray,
what percentage of the of the of

704
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,280
the content in that?
It's utterly useless rubbish.

705
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,000
It doesn't need to be there.
It's always at least 90%.

706
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,720
They don't really need to exist.
I remember one year my job

707
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,880
share, we had a couple of
children that were unbelievably

708
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480
annoying with their trays.
They'd constantly open them and

709
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,560
try to like, stop right in
there.

710
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,320
I believe they're not they.
Were just annoying.

711
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,800
Yeah, they were like, they would
just do it.

712
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,200
They did.
That tray was a nuisance.

713
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,720
It wasn't being used for its
purpose of just storing things

714
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,400
that we need to the classroom.
And I know how I'd never thought

715
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600
of this, but simply that my job
show was like, OK, cool, you

716
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,320
don't have a training more.
Just took it away from that one

717
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,360
child.
And I was like, oh, that makes

718
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,960
complete sense.
And then they were focused and

719
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960
fine and they didn't need any of
the stuff in their tray.

720
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,000
They need the two bits of
equipment they needed I gave to

721
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,400
them and it was on a pot on that
table.

722
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,160
Actually, that's discrimination
against those children.

723
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,720
Actually they needed those trays
because actually some children

724
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,600
do need that to concentrate.
And don't you know that as a

725
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,440
teacher, Sorry.
Why can't you be sorry?

726
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,040
I can't believe you were
teaching children, treated

727
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,480
someone differently.
And actually, absolutely

728
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,760
discrimination.
Rattling that tray actually help

729
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200
them concentrate.
Yeah, and it helped me.

730
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,480
Didn't help everyone else
either.

731
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
That doesn't matter because
actually maybe it did and you

732
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,440
just don't know that.
Every child should have access

733
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,680
to a tray.
They can Jingle and jangle

734
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,680
whilst you're trying to teach.
Them.

735
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,880
Yeah, pretty disgusting.
Filled.

736
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,680
Always.
Filled with crumpled up paper.

737
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,560
Always.
Do you remember?

738
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,160
I always remember.
At the end of every year we do

739
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,640
big tray tidy, right?
That's right.

740
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,280
So there'd be one kid who for
some reason about the whole year

741
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,840
seems to have never tidied their
tray, even though we have points

742
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,840
in the year where I'm like,
we're going to tidy it and

743
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,200
they'd be tidying up their tray,
right.

744
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,600
And I always remember this
because I put loads of effort

745
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,520
into like people of the week
certificates.

746
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,080
When I started off teaching,
right, I on the back of this

747
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,960
certificate, I'd write, I'd fill
the back of the certificate with

748
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,000
like really nice writing and
stuff.

749
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,760
And over the year, kids would
get too afraid.

750
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,080
It'd be really good.
And it'd be the end of the year

751
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,880
and the kid would come up to me
with a mangled certificate with

752
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,240
all my my handwritten comments.
And I said, go.

753
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,440
Do I have to take this home you?
Meant to do that.

754
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840
You're only seven months late
and I put all my efforts nice

755
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,680
for your parents.
Oh, should I keep the other ones

756
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,520
as well?
Sorry.

757
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,680
So funny.
Can I tell you my similar

758
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,000
experience?
The first my first ever class,

759
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,960
right?
I did the more Christmas cards

760
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,440
and I wrote a really nice
message and say it's the same

761
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,480
thing as what you just said.
And I remember the end of the

762
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,400
year, one boy in the class, he
opened his tray and he took out

763
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,720
my Christmas card unopened.
He didn't even open it and put

764
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,040
it in his tray unopened and he
he chugged it in the bin and it

765
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,680
broke my heart.
I was like, no, I thought these

766
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,760
kids would care.
And that's when the first strand

767
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,280
of hair fell from your head.
Yeah, literally.

768
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,400
And that was the catalyst.
That was also the last time I

769
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,880
wrote Christmas cards.
The kids, I was like, they do

770
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,400
not care about Christmas cards.
Just say Merry.

771
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,280
Christmas, that's all.
And then when you get cards from

772
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560
the kids it's lovely, but 95% of
them?

773
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,040
Dear Mr. Price, from Blank.
As if you're lucky.

774
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,520
Normally I've had loads of just
Mr Stevens and the name.

775
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,440
Not even dear, not even Merry
Christmas, not even From like,

776
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,120
they don't care.
They don't care and it's fine.

777
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,400
They don't care.
We have to pretend they don't.

778
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Need them Do it.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.

779
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Don't do them.
It's.

780
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,760
Fine, but oh God, that's funny.
Anyway, so yeah, trays for me.

781
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,760
I don't.
If you've got anything else in

782
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,320
mind, student loans, rudeness,
you're sticking with the

783
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,680
abstract stuff.
Being being mean now trays

784
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:56,000
talking back to to adults, well,
don't do it.

785
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,200
That's We've got Ricky Gervais
on the pod here.

786
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,640
David, Brent rather yeah,
honestly, right.

787
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Let's do another question to.
Me.

788
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,880
Yeah, let's do this.
One's from Ben.

789
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,760
Do you think that?
They're being mean to your

790
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,520
friends.
Oh, oh, like cutting, like

791
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,680
cutting your friends off.
Does that mean?

792
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Yeah, cut them off?
Cut them off.

793
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,320
Yeah, yeah.
Not listen to what they say.

794
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,520
Sorry from Ben.
Do you interrupting someone

795
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,000
who's talking?
You were breathing in loud.

796
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,160
Get rid of that are.
You done?

797
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Yeah, you're done.
I'm done.

798
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400
From Ben for the third time.
Do you think there is too much

799
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,360
pressure on initial teacher
training students with having to

800
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,320
do 80% timetable the PGCE if
that's what they're doing

801
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,880
coursework, marking weekly
meetings and still trying trying

802
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,440
to find time to relax?
Oh, nearly got through.

803
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,200
I did nearly got through.
Nearly very nearly.

804
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,440
Do you think it's too I OK two I
I love saying this, don't I?

805
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Someone picked me up on this on
the chat.

806
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,440
There were like 3 things to
this.

807
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,400
Two wants to Dylan, Yeah.
Because I think of 74 things at

808
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,480
once.
So I'm just trying to arrange my

809
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,160
brain.
Someone also said I've got ADMC

810
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,240
someone, yeah, someone said
that.

811
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,920
And I was like, God, I I don't
like it.

812
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,800
And people say, oh, you must
have this thing that's got a

813
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800
diagnosis.
I'm like, I don't know.

814
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,800
But the fact of the matter is
that I think of 74 things at

815
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040
once, OK, Do I think
undiagnosed?

816
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,360
That's the fact of the matter.
Do I think there is too much

817
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,120
pressure on ITT students?
In one way, no, there is not too

818
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,720
much pressure on them because
that is the reality of the job.

819
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,400
And usually, usually it balanced
out to be roughly what I was

820
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440
doing on my ECT year anyway.
When I look back, there are some

821
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,520
occasions where yes, it's too
much because actually when

822
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,360
you're 80% timetable, you're not
getting much more time out than

823
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,560
when you're in ECT.
And you've also got to write an

824
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,560
essay, right?
And you've also got to do uni

825
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,240
work.
So that is extra.

826
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,560
And I do think that's
unreasonable.

827
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,560
And I think when you're in those
situations, your placement

828
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120
school and the people providing
your course should just be

829
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,520
sensible and say, yeah, let's
cut you some slack because this

830
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,680
is unreasonable.
So yes, absolutely.

831
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040
In general, though, it's
preparing you for the job,

832
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,400
right?
The flip side of this is

833
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480
absolutely it's unreasonable
because the job's unreasonable.

834
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,560
So it's like, yeah, OK, look, if
you think this is unreasonable,

835
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,360
news flash, the job is crazy.
Yeah, it's like.

836
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,200
The job's insane, so it's
setting you up for the job.

837
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,560
In that respect.
It's it.

838
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,440
My PGC year was hectic, but it
got me up to speed.

839
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Jesus.
Like, it got me up there and I

840
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,240
was ready to actually do the
job.

841
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:11,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

842
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Overall, yeah, of course, you're
asked to do too much because

843
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,320
teachers are asked to to do too
much.

844
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,120
So it's a good stepping stone.
But I don't think overall, I

845
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,720
think everything would need to
change and just just calm down a

846
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,440
bit.
You need your own.

847
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Time, I agree with exactly that.
And on top of that, you've got

848
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,480
to remember that when you the
further are you are back in your

849
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
career, like the more everything
feels like work anyway because

850
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,600
it's all new to you.
And that that does decrease a

851
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,440
bit.
Yeah, that does.

852
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,640
So that you've got that extra
pressure anyway of it all bring

853
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,360
new.
And it's just a bit more

854
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,040
cognitive load.
And on top of that is just a bit

855
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,440
of a kick in the shins because
you're ultimately paying for

856
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,480
that privilege.
In most, in most situations, if

857
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,880
you're doing a paid PGCE, you
are ultimately paying 9 1/2

858
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,720
grand per year or for that one
year to actually have all this

859
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,760
extra pressure on you.
And it does feel a bit like I'm

860
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,000
paying to do this.
Am I?

861
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,720
Am I fool?
A good a good point to that as

862
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,960
well is because people come back
and say things like bursaries

863
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,800
exist.
Yeah.

864
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,760
So my PGCAI was primary math
specialist.

865
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Don't have I told you I
qualified as a primary math

866
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,480
specialist?
First year it came out.

867
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,639
Just that, you know, just that,
you know, because I'm younger

868
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,920
and more attractive than you.
So PhD, they gave me that.

869
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,520
Yeah, yeah.
I can't control it.

870
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,880
We get the point.
All right.

871
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,440
And yeah.
So anyway, I was doing that.

872
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,800
And as a part of that, if you
got at least AB at A level in

873
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000
maths, you qualified for a
bursary.

874
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,280
So I got a bursary which was
just free money.

875
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,760
So I didn't get a bursary,
right?

876
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,840
Yeah.
Actually, I got 12 grand, so I

877
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,320
got 1000 LB every kind of the
month from August to July across

878
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,560
my PGC.
So I got 1000 LB dropped in tax

879
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,199
free.
No, no need to pay it back.

880
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,560
But people say, well, that's
more than the 9 1/2 grand it

881
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,360
cost me to do my PGC.
Yeah, that's true.

882
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,000
I could have paid off my 9 1/2
grand, but I'd had to live off

883
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,080
3000 lbs for the year.
Yeah, I see.

884
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,960
So the bursary.
Was great because it was like a

885
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,400
dent right in my living costs.
My living costs then were still

886
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,480
more than £1000 a month, but not
by much.

887
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,360
Well, what?
Would you have done if you

888
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,840
didn't get the bursary?
That's what I mean, I would have

889
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,160
had to work and a lot of people
do have to work etcetera.

890
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,600
But this is the point I'm making
is people look at the bursary

891
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,920
and go, well see you are getting
paid for it.

892
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,680
It's like not not I'm not really
because I'm still having to.

893
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,800
I'm 3 grand.
Yeah, you get paid 3 grand.

894
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,360
I'm 3 grand up, right?
Let's just say.

895
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,880
But I can't just pay off my
loan.

896
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Yeah, So my loan's worth more
than 9 hours because my interest

897
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,480
is going up, right?
So it's not as simple as that.

898
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,880
Because I couldn't pay off my
loan then and not get the

899
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360
interest rates because I needed
to live for the year.

900
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,320
So I used it to live for the
year.

901
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
I still had a job where I
worked, like, I think at the

902
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,600
start I was working like 8 hours
a week.

903
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,880
Then I quit because it was just
too much.

904
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
I couldn't do it.
But I knew my friends who didn't

905
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,960
get bursaries, they would work
in jobs at the weekend as well.

906
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,560
So not only all of this, what
we're talking about here, like

907
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,560
weekly meetings, 80% doing the
coursework, I knew people who

908
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,400
also had to work to survive, all
whilst not even paying off their

909
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,720
student loan, which will be
around for the whole career as

910
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,440
well.
Yeah, yeah.

911
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,280
It was like triple, double
whammy it was.

912
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,760
It was insane.
So yeah, bursaries are there,

913
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,000
but like, they only scratched
the surface really.

914
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,720
And bursaries went up to 25
grand.

915
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,520
Wow.
Like if you're like doing

916
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
physics at secondary because
there was no one doing that,

917
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,680
they were like called 25 grand
more more akin to what you get

918
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,720
paid back then the bursary for
some things was more than your

919
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,720
starting witch.
Yeah, I remember.

920
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:13,920
That was a whole scandal, wasn't
it?

921
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Like we're just, we're just
like, it's just illusional.

922
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,320
It's like they're not even going
to get paid this in this in the

923
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,920
next year or the year after.
Exactly.

924
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,280
They're finished.
So the whole point there was

925
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,840
like, that's just getting people
to come in, take the bursary,

926
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,240
pay off your nine grand.
You still have a chunk leftover

927
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,800
and you can basically get some
free money out of it that way,

928
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,880
like when the bursaries are big
enough.

929
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,440
But my my point here is just,
yeah, bursaries existed, but

930
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,880
they weren't really scratching
the and.

931
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,240
Fun fact that that your year was
the first year the year before

932
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,800
when I did the when I did the
PGCE, the math specialist course

933
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,560
didn't exist.
So you're not a math specialist?

934
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,200
I'm not a math specialist, I
just did a PGCE and and the

935
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,920
bursary programme that you were
on did not exist because I also

936
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,720
I would have qualified for it.
I'm not, I didn't actually not

937
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,400
go under AB for a maths.
Maths was my thing.

938
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,320
So I.
Didn't have my mum to pay for my

939
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,160
student.
Well, I paid off my whole

940
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,560
student by myself actually,
thank you very much.

941
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,840
I did borrow money from OH.
Student loans are so bad.

942
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,320
Sat here the whole time paying
off his privilege.

943
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,480
I mean, I did pay off.
I did.

944
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,760
I did pay £300 a month for five
years to get it paid off on top.

945
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,960
So you worked out, didn't you,
that in the in the long run, not

946
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640
based on your progression in
teaching etcetera, it was

947
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,200
slightly more worth it to pay it
off?

948
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,080
Yeah, basically, yeah.
It probably wasn't.

949
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,040
Ironically, it might not have
been, considering the point in

950
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,280
which I quit teaching there is
genuine.

951
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,200
I should do the maths, but
there's probably an argument to

952
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,560
say that.
Yeah, but yet student loan on

953
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,760
any.
I know because I yeah, you

954
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,680
you're going to continue the
student loan would have carried

955
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:31,680
on what we're talking about.
Yeah.

956
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,920
So it was always.
It's always.

957
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,120
Your student loan is wiped off
when you quit.

958
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,920
I forgot the first question
isn't real.

959
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,240
The wiping off for 10 years.
I've internalised that now.

960
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,920
Yeah, no, it absolutely was
better.

961
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,840
So basically, yeah, did did a
lump sum payment.

962
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,080
If this, if this got brought in,
right, Yeah, you not only

963
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200
wouldn't have got your bursary
at the start, yeah, you would

964
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,000
have then paid it off with your
own money, higher student loan.

965
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,320
And then I would walk along
getting a bursary a year later

966
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,200
and then it's worked off.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

967
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,760
Yeah, and potentially you might
think.

968
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,920
We should do that just for that
exact.

969
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,760
Situation, do you know?
I'd still we all for it.

970
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,360
I was in the privileged
situation.

971
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,920
At the end of the day, it was a
massive privilege where we could

972
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,480
pay it off and I could just do a
aggressive monthly payment to

973
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,120
get it done.
It might have been silly, but

974
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,880
you know, not everyone's in that
situation, so.

975
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Was you?
So it probably was silly.

976
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Next question from Luke if you
had an infinite number of 10

977
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,960
year olds to race 100 metres
against and each time you beat 1

978
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,400
you have to start again and race
the next, how many children do

979
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,400
you think you could be That's.
So funny.

980
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,400
It's zero for you.
Because zero.

981
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,440
Yeah.
Is it 0 or 1?

982
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,040
You know, yeah, I suppose you're
already going to be knackered

983
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,520
after like 1.
Or two an average 10 year old

984
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,400
for 100 metres.
Do I have infinite energy?

985
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,920
No, no, no, no.
That's the point in the

986
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,400
question.
Infinite energy.

987
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,720
There's not an all of them.
No, because you might get some,

988
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,560
you might, you know, law of
averages get some crazy fast

989
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,600
tenure and eventually.
Beats you.

990
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,600
So let let me have some
parameters on this for you then

991
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,520
every child you're racing is is
of average speed, right?

992
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,080
Yeah.
So you are quicker than this

993
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,440
child.
OK, OK, you are quicker than

994
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,040
this child.
But obviously, like when you're

995
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,000
racing, the your aim is to get
for as many children as

996
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000
possible.
So you won't be absolutely

997
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,960
sprinting because that would be
stupid.

998
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,560
You'd be trying to just just be
ahead of them.

999
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,400
Yeah, just be ahead of them,
right.

1000
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,840
How many 10 year olds in a.
Row honestly, genuinely realised

1001
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,800
I've got an explanation for this
One honestly one honestly, I am

1002
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,840
so, so unfit right now.
I think I can beat, I can beat

1003
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640
110 year old and I think I'd be
so exhausted after and I think I

1004
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,440
would be sprinting.
By the way, and I tell you this

1005
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,320
because all the way through my
career, I regularly know make

1006
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,280
sure I was still way, way faster
than the kids.

1007
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,040
I've taught you 6 a long time
and they're about 10 years old

1008
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,920
and always, always smashing
them.

1009
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,280
The last year though, the last
year I raced a bunch of kids in

1010
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,880
year 6 that I thought, and I'm
not kidding you, I was running

1011
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,800
as fast as I could and I barely
beat them and I'm and I am

1012
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,760
significantly less fit than I
was a year ago.

1013
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,120
So I still think I could beat a
10 year old and I think I'll be

1014
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,360
knackered after that.
The next one will beat.

1015
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Me.
I guess the question turns in

1016
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,400
for you.
How far can you?

1017
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,800
Run now.
Can I run 80 metres?

1018
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,320
Literally?
Probably like 150 metres.

1019
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,520
I can't do 2.
I can't do 2 sprints.

1020
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,440
There's no way, No way.
I'll keep.

1021
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,840
I'll beat one kid 2 if I'm
lucky.

1022
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,160
What about you?
I OK, I think it's low.

1023
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:12,280
I do think it's low.
Me too mate, I also think yeah.

1024
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,240
I also think it's low for you.
Carry on.

1025
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Why do you?
Look at that.

1026
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,320
I'm looking at you.
Nothing but you.

1027
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,000
No part of you.
Just you.

1028
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,160
Just.
Because I'm a wide guy doesn't

1029
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,320
mean I can't be fast.
I've seen those NFL players do

1030
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,320
the Sprint.
Yeah, to be fair, you still play

1031
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,640
football a lot, so. 5 or 6.
Five.

1032
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,520
That's big.
Yeah, 5 or 6 is.

1033
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,680
It is it like are we talking
back?

1034
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,760
You get no break in between
these races because that is

1035
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,080
you're basically saying I can, I
can Sprint 600.

1036
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,400
Metres, is what you're saying?
Yeah, No, OK, if, if it's if

1037
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,320
it's literally backed about.
You get to the end, you turn and

1038
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,400
you Sprint again.
Yeah, two or three.

1039
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:49,800
Yeah.
OK.

1040
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,640
All right.
So let's go.

1041
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Let's let's change it.
So that's that.

1042
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,000
That's fair enough because
that's what I was thinking.

1043
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,360
But if you get a few minutes to
rest.

1044
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Yeah.
But even like, well, that

1045
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,080
depends because it depends on
the time you get to rest then,

1046
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:58,880
doesn't it?
2 minutes.

1047
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,720
People listen to this.
They really listen to this for

1048
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,200
this.
Kind of we go down the list.

1049
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Complete I'm I'm thinking more
seriously about this than

1050
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,960
student loans.
Luke is thinking, Oh, shouldn't

1051
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,680
probably ask.
I wish I didn't ask this

1052
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,560
freaking question honestly.
God, it's supposed to be funny.

1053
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,480
I reckon it yeah, if if you if
you do a Sprint and you're like,

1054
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,920
OK, nice one, beat your kid,
piss off.

1055
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
OK, honey, go to this.
See you later, kid.

1056
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,120
Get out of here.
Every kid you beat gets

1057
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:31,600
expelled.
Sorry, but he's really really

1058
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,520
fast.
Don't care, I'm going to be 1.

1059
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Just need one.
Just need one.

1060
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,120
Get out of here, kid.
By mile.

1061
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,200
Joking, obviously, if anyone
gets a knife.

1062
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,440
I'm not.
Carry on.

1063
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,080
I'm not a teacher.
I'm not a teacher anymore.

1064
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,280
What are you going to do?
I don't care.

1065
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,280
Carry on.
Book a maxi demo now down below.

1066
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Yeah.
You say I'm not a teacher

1067
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,120
reminder we need to live somehow
so be pretty good it's.

1068
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,480
So funny.
OK, you get like a one minute

1069
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,320
turn around where you can, you
can catch your breath back

1070
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,680
because everyone knows you go
for a run, you catch your breath

1071
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,000
back, you still done in, but you
catch your breath back in your

1072
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,120
restart.
I reckon, I reckon 4I reckon I

1073
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,720
could do 4 and I reckon it'd be
tough.

1074
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Yeah, yeah.
Genuinely that that does change

1075
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,000
things.
So my my new answer, I'm

1076
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,040
sticking with one there.
You go, what can I, can I, can I

1077
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:23,920
stop in between?
Yeah.

1078
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,600
Can I get like a massage and
some recovery?

1079
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,320
Yeah, yeah. 11 still 1 maybe?
Zero because I can't physically.

1080
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,360
I can't be.
The first physically cover 200

1081
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,560
metres, so this question is
flawed.

1082
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,920
If I don't win, can I still get
a massage?

1083
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,920
That's all I want to know.
Just anyway.

1084
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Right.
Crazy.

1085
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,560
Should we do?
It's a long episode.

1086
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,760
Should we do one more?
Because I thought we've not

1087
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,960
answered many questions.
Yeah, probably.

1088
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,880
Let's think one more.
Here we go.

1089
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,800
Right.
I hope they're enjoying it.

1090
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,800
Yeah, exactly.
To this point, slightly longer.

1091
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,600
Yeah, should we do a serious one
or a funny 1?

1092
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,560
You choose.
Oh, I don't know.

1093
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,080
There's pressure now let us
know.

1094
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Shout at the screen even though
this is a recorder the week

1095
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,200
before you listen to it.
OK, OK, OK.

1096
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,520
Which sentence have you said out
loud in the classroom out of

1097
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,600
context would end your career
instantly.

1098
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,800
I've I've thought of 1
immediately.

1099
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,760
OK, I've got nothing right here.
Go on.

1100
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,160
This is this is genuinely true
and I've got teaching assistants

1101
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,320
are in the room as well and I I
couldn't I had to turn around

1102
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,040
and stop.
I said to a child once in show

1103
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,800
and tell.
I said OK, come up to the front

1104
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,240
and show up on your Beaver.
That's so funny.

1105
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Come up to the front and shower
on your Beaver.

1106
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,880
God I bet the TA laughed their
head off.

1107
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,360
Yeah, one of those moments,
100%.

1108
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Because they're in the room,
obviously a show and tell.

1109
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,080
A stuffed Beaver they got from
their holiday.

1110
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,840
Yeah, yeah.
And they've been asking me all

1111
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:39,840
day.
Is that right?

1112
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,760
Come and shower on your Beaver.
That's so funny, unbelievable

1113
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,240
out of context like that.
That's it.

1114
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,240
Isn't it even with context?
Yeah, maybe it's still a still.

1115
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:48,840
Funny baby should have said it
like that, yeah.

1116
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,920
That's so funny.
Done in.

1117
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,240
There's another one.
I've said this before, I don't

1118
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:57,040
even know if this counts.
I think this is just bad.

1119
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,240
I was in.
I was in school because you had

1120
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:00,720
to get some daisies.
Cough kid.

1121
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,040
Yeah, I told.
The kid, he was a Oh, Dylan.

1122
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,280
I don't know if context saves
you in that one.

1123
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,640
Actually, I've said this story
before.

1124
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,360
We were doing Snakes and
Ladders, and I lost.

1125
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000
And this was before on PGC.
I've seen some days in school to

1126
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,040
show that, show that I was
serious in a teacher and they

1127
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,640
must have wanted me out of the
classroom because I was

1128
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,040
obviously useless and this kid
out of the classroom as well.

1129
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,240
So we want to play Snakes and
Ladders.

1130
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,120
Yeah.
And I rolled the dice at the end

1131
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,160
and I lost and I said Oh no,
like genuinely, because I was

1132
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,440
just like a 19 year old who just
said that kind of thing.

1133
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,280
And he's like, what did you say?
I thought I'd just tried to

1134
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,960
cover it up.
So again, context.

1135
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Probably doesn't save it.
Yeah, that one's, that one's

1136
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,480
just that's just bad.
That should have ended your

1137
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,600
career.
Probably probably went on went

1138
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,880
on to to Wild Things after that.
Wild, wild things.

1139
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,880
I genuinely can't think of any
that's really annoying me.

1140
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,760
Oh, really?
Well, you've never said anything

1141
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,040
like that.
I'm sure I have, but you know,

1142
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,440
what a surprise.
I can't think on the spot.

1143
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,920
Well, I have 3 for everyone.
Yeah, there you go.

1144
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,560
If you think of one, we.
We can maybe start another

1145
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,320
episode with it.
Yeah, but you won't, because

1146
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,520
you'll forget this conversation
even.

1147
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,320
Happened in 5 seconds.
Even happened.

1148
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Oh dear.
Turns out that's why you left

1149
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,640
teaching and you just blocked it
from your mind.

1150
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,880
Do you know what do you know the
real answer is?

1151
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,240
I've never said anything that
would could end my career

1152
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,680
because everything is completely
PC and I think if they think it

1153
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,720
through all the time.
Yeah.

1154
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,800
Should we?
Should we end with like a

1155
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,480
relatively serious question and
try and answer it?

1156
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,280
Quickly.
Yeah, Go on, go on.

1157
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,720
OK.
So this is the last question.

1158
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,000
Now, as primary school teachers,
what is your take on the decline

1159
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,440
of literacy?
I'm a secondary school teacher

1160
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,480
and some of our children are
arriving in Year 7 with reading

1161
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,080
ages of four or five years old.
It's hard to understand how this

1162
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,120
happens.
Obviously it links to the

1163
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,120
absence crisis, but some of
these children have very few

1164
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,440
behavioural issues and are very
rarely absent.

1165
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,400
Literacy is more of an issue in
my current school than others

1166
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,440
I've worked in, and no one I've
asked can give me a valid reason

1167
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,800
why these kids can't read when
they arrive.

1168
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,960
They just pass on the blame.
Brain rot.

1169
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,840
Brain rot has ruined kids.
Social media has ruined kids.

1170
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,080
They don't want to read anymore.
The national data is extremely

1171
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,440
clear.
Kids aren't reading books they

1172
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,880
don't want to read.
It's nothing to do with what you

1173
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,080
know.
It's nothing to do with teachers

1174
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,800
at school.
Teaching hasn't really changed

1175
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,760
that much.
Kids don't want to read anymore

1176
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,920
because they're spending seven
hours a day looking at Brain Rot

1177
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,840
YouTube short algorithm videos.
Yeah, that's it.

1178
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,560
And do you know what I'll add to
that?

1179
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,760
It's also because their parents
are doing that.

1180
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,720
Let's let like there'll be lots
of people listening going on my

1181
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,200
kid.
You know, these kids don't kids

1182
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,760
aren't even, I don't even give
my kid an iPad, OK?

1183
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,640
But I, I can guarantee you as an
adult, just look at adults like

1184
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,480
let's, let's, let's just for a
second not try and pussyfoot

1185
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,240
around this for a minute and
call out parents.

1186
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,720
Parents aren't doing enough.
Not every.

1187
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,280
I'm a parent and I always read
good for you.

1188
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,480
I'm not talking about you in
general.

1189
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Very, very, very clearly the
amount of input parents are

1190
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,320
putting into their children and
raising them is decreasing.

1191
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,640
Very clearly the amount an adult
is reading with their child is

1192
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,640
decreasing.
And I'm seeing very weird stuff

1193
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,520
online at the minute of some
parents who'll do a reel and say

1194
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,920
things like I am a parent, I am
not an unpaid teacher, sorry.

1195
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,000
News flash, yes you are.
Of course you are.

1196
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,080
What do you think being a parent
is?

1197
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Of course part of it is teaching
crazy.

1198
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,800
So much of what a child actually
learns and you can map their

1199
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,760
progression throughout their
whole school life comes before

1200
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,520
they step foot in a school.
As a parent, you have the

1201
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,320
ultimate responsibility to do as
much as you can for your

1202
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,560
children.
That is a wild video.

1203
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,680
You are literally their teacher.
Yeah, you are literally their

1204
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,320
unpaid teacher.
That is what you.

1205
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,240
Are you are?
What do you think that is your

1206
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,000
job?
To teach them the way of the

1207
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,040
world.
And that does happen to include

1208
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,960
some academic stuff, like
reading a book.

1209
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,440
It does.
And yes, we have paid teachers

1210
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,120
who also do stuff like that and
that, like, and they also don't

1211
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,360
do some of the stuff that you
do.

1212
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,440
And that's often a big argument
that we have on this podcast,

1213
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,960
that debate.
Should teachers be teaching kids

1214
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,040
how to use a knife and fork?
I don't know.

1215
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,680
Maybe the home teacher should be
doing that.

1216
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,120
You know, the parents.
Yeah.

1217
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,760
It's mental.
It's absolutely mental.

1218
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,520
I'm not going to teach my kid
right and wrong.

1219
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,320
I'm not an unpaid police
officer.

1220
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,520
Yes, you are.
You are everything to that child

1221
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,160
and it's just become.
I don't know about you, Halen,

1222
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,960
but since we've had our kids,
it's crystallised in me so much

1223
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,080
more.
And we're gonna do a whole

1224
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,120
episode on this this week about
what parents should be doing at

1225
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,160
home with their children.
Because if I think now

1226
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,480
beforehand, before I had Rory,
right, I think about this, I'm

1227
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,720
like, it's quite nuanced,
actually.

1228
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Yeah, sometimes there isn't time
for this at home.

1229
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,320
Yeah, I get it, guys.
Or whatever.

1230
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,680
Yeah.
I can't offend anyone.

1231
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,720
Now I've had Rory.
I look at it and I go cool.

1232
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,960
There's a very clear hierarchy
of things that are important to

1233
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,000
him and there's certain things
that won't be budged off the

1234
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,640
top.
Rory will read every day.

1235
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,120
There's no question about it.
He'll have a book read to him

1236
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,080
every day.
There's never a point in my life

1237
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,480
where I won't have 5 minutes to
read a book with him.

1238
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,680
No, there's no excuse.
I'll tell you what, that is the

1239
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,360
same for everyone and people.
There's always excuses.

1240
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,520
There's always some.
People's lives are considerably

1241
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,560
harder, I get it.
But it's 5 minutes with your

1242
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,360
kid.
You.

1243
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Know how I know that you'll find
it?

1244
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,360
When I was growing up and when
you were growing up, we lived in

1245
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,160
single parent households and one
worked 2 jobs.

1246
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,480
I did very well academically
because it wasn't a question.

1247
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,200
That was the first thing on the
list.

1248
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,360
You've got to do your your work.
You've got to read your book,

1249
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,480
you've got to do your counting,
you've got to do your numbers,

1250
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:08,600
you've got to ask your
questions.

1251
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,040
It's a bar we have to have and
I'm sorry we can't budget from

1252
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,000
it.
And when school teachers come to

1253
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,280
us and a lot of them do and they
say things like this or what can

1254
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,320
I do, What are we doing wrong?
Nothing.

1255
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,520
Sometimes you are not the
problem and it's that guilt that

1256
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,360
you have as a teacher that you
think I've got to make sure this

1257
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,880
child can do that.
Guys, there's only so much you

1258
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,440
can do.
If they're not going to get that

1259
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,120
support from home and haven't
had those foundations built from

1260
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,040
an early age, it's going to be
triggered.

1261
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,000
Are all kids going to have the
same outcomes if they have the

1262
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,840
same input from parents?
No.

1263
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Am I talking about every single
child in the country right now?

1264
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,000
No.
Oh, if you're listening to what

1265
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,840
I'm saying and saying, well, I
can't get my child to sit down,

1266
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,520
it's a nightmare.
I understand it's not easy and

1267
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,120
it's not the same for everyone,
but can we just agree that very

1268
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,960
clearly if we give children
these foundational learning

1269
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,280
points before they even get to
school, yes, from you, the

1270
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,240
unpaid teacher, otherwise known
as a parent, the outcomes in

1271
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,640
general on average will be much
better.

1272
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,760
I agree it's a team effort and
just finishing this question off

1273
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,480
because you know, we're going to
have a whole good discussion

1274
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,120
about this then it's gone off
one-on-one there.

1275
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,520
So if you were to go to my next
episode, well, Dylan has done

1276
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,440
half of it now, but no, you
should go check it out.

1277
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Going to talk a lot more in
depth about this.

1278
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,040
But going back to this person,
what we shouldn't do is pass the

1279
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,400
blame on to the previous school.
That's the worst thing you can

1280
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,960
do.
Like there's what are the

1281
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,840
chances that suddenly all of a
sudden in society, every single

1282
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,640
primary school around the
country is now absolutely

1283
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,840
terrible at teaching reading and
all the secondaries was going.

1284
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,360
But yeah, I can't believe these
primary school teachers.

1285
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,960
I don't think that's the issue.
It is.

1286
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,640
It is a much bigger systemic
issue revolved around parenting,

1287
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,920
revolved around absolute brain
rot.

1288
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,320
The kids are being exposed to
the ease of access to all this

1289
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,720
stuff.
We've talked about it all and

1290
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,920
we'll talk about it all a lot
more, but that's my answer.

1291
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,880
Come and join us on Wednesday.
Let's wrap that up there,

1292
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Hayden. 3 * 4 is 4 + 4 + 4.
That's a fact.

1293
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,080
Yeah, See you next.
Time.

1294
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,440
And if you don't believe us,
well, book a mass demo and we

1295
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,120
can again.