Ep 170: Q&A: David Walliams Controversy, Free Childcare Traps & Gameshows In The Classroom!

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Seat

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name's Hayden.
Did you enjoy your wee?

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What do I just now I had a
fantastic.

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Wee Do you know how I know you
enjoyed your wee?

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I was downstairs and I heard you
not we I did hear your wee as

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well.
You do wee loudly, but I heard

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the the exhale of of of relief.
You're really doing me like

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this, aren't?
You.

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Well, that's really doing.
Me like this?

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Yeah, well, sometimes wee's are
just really enjoyable, aren't?

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They downstairs to go getting a
trick.

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No, you know, No, you do No,
because you didn't just go, you

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went.
Oh yeah.

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Did you you?
Don't listen.

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Listen.
I wanted you, my bro, to know

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how nice my Wii was in your
house.

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I was thanking you for providing
me with the toilet from your

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house.
And that was great.

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And also you had no choice
because you have no door.

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Oh, isn't this?
Isn't this the most Dylan thing

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I've ever heard?
You know how he's got no door

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handle on his front door?
He has no door to his toilet.

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He has no door.
Context.

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It's not my only toilet context.
Context is key because you don't

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have to use that.
It's been recently renovated.

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Recently.
You know this is rubbish, right?

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If you've been listening, just
have a quick scroll.

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How long have you been watching
the podcasts where we've been in

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this setup?
Because that's when it was

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renovated.
Put your door back.

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Your door's there.
I can see you.

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The door, the door is there
leaning against that wall.

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It's been there for months and
months and.

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Months.
It's an open household, so very

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modern.
Do you?

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Know what I wish I did?
I was thinking about it.

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It made me laugh afterwards in
my head.

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That was enough because you've
got no door.

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I thought, wouldn't it be funny
if I did do something a bit

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abnormal and I just like had my
trousers down to my ankles

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whilst weighing.
And he walked up and was like,

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oh, you've just caught, caught a
glimpse of of my bare bottom as

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I'm weighing with my pants at my
ankles.

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Did I ever tell you the story of
my, of my I was a child.

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Something happened in the in my
doorless toilet when I was a

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child.
I I just moved down.

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So is she anyone who's moved as
a child, Like a big move?

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Yeah.
To a brand new place, going to a

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brand new school, obviously,
like in the first few days, you

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either want to blend in and not
stand out too much and you

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certainly don't want to be like
the butt of jokes or anything

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like that.
And I remember going to the

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toilet in my first few days and
they had a urinal there, right?

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So obviously I went to the
urinal and I pulled all of my,

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my garments down from my right
waist.

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So my trousers, instead of just
opening my zip, I put my

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trousers down and my pants down
around my, my feet.

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And then three of the lads from
my class walked in and that was

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it for the next few weeks.
It's Bumboy.

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How did you say how old you were
then?

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I was, yes.
Yes, Right.

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Oh yeah, yes, right.
That's not too bad.

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I was imagine in secondary
school.

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No, sorry.
No, it was so.

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Funny, I was like, oh, I just
just, it's just a blended and

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not be a thing.
I was the the lad who got his

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bum out in the toilet.
That is so funny when your

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parents just do dirty because
they're like, no, we won't tell

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him.
Yeah.

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Anyway, should we get to the
actual questions?

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That's what we're here for, Q&A.
How lovely was your piss?

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That's the first one.
What are the chances?

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That's so strange, so nice.
The the whole street heard

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Hayden, OH.
God the one right?

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Should I do the first?
1.

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Yeah, let's see what you can do.
With teaching being a female

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dominated profession, do you
ever feel like you were treated

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differently or had a different
experience of teaching as males?

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Yeah, whenever I went to the
toilet with my trousers around,

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they're like, why did you do
that, you silly male?

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This was this.
What is this bloke?

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Oh God, we've talked about this
before.

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Yeah, definitely 100% in loads
of ways.

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Not just positive, not just
negative, in loads of ways.

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Obviously we're treated
differently.

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Like I think the big thing that
jumped out for me in my career

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was always it felt as if it was
pushed upon me more as a male,

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that I would be more of a role
model for the kids, Mainly

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because that father, father type
figure, right?

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You hear it a lot.
You don't hear it as much people

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saying, oh, it's great, they've
got you as a female teacher,

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should you be a mum like figure
to them?

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Yeah, of course that that
obviously doesn't happen as much

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because mums are more present in
general in children's lives than

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men are.
So as a as a man, I remember

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being set for parents evenings,
even with my colleagues,

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etcetera.
They'd say things like, oh, and

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it's really nice then to have
this, you know, male figure in

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their life.
I never resented it.

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I thought it was quite a nice
thing really, to be able to do

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for the kids.
But it did feel like I was put

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on that pedestal a lot.
It's a difference at the end of

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that, isn't it?
Yeah.

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Like you said, you wouldn't be
getting that as much as if

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you're a woman.
So yeah, I also felt like the

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pressure to climb the ladder was
very expected.

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I remember in my NQT, yeah,
being told multiple times of

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like, Oh yeah, you're going to
be a great head because people

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just trying to pick me up
because I'm just learning how to

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teach.
And people just say in general,

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you've got a great head.
Maybe that's what they're

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saying.
You've got a great head, you've

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got a great head.
Shaved off that too.

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Yeah, but I did definitely felt
like that and I was sort of

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like, OK, so the expectation is
I very much have to work up

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leadership.
Is that the thing?

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And and you know, we've spoke
about teachers that data in the

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past, how there is an imbalance
there like, you know, in terms

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of the proportion of the
workforce that are men, it's

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disproportionate when you get to
sort of senior leadership and

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head teacher.
Yeah, there's loads of reasons

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for that.
You know, the whole, the whole,

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you know how women get penalised
during, you know, childbirth in

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terms of they have a child who's
the parent who goes back more

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often?
Yeah, specifically during

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childbirth.
I think, I think it's actually

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quite, it's not very balanced in
childbirth.

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I stood there on the subway, in
a subway, yeah, whilst my

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partner gave birth.
They're very penalised about the

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same lives.
But I mean, you haven't.

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Fired.
OK, thanks.

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Brilliant, man, Brilliant.
I know what you mean.

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But yeah, like in terms of they
talked a million times about it

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and I wanted, I'll just push on
what you said a bit there

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because again, I'm trying to
avoid the whole positive,

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negative thing because you'll
get people who straight away

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will say, yeah, it's always good
to be a male in the primary

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classroom.
And you get other people say no,

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no, I've always been looked on
differently and it's bad.

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Do you would you say it to, on
the whole, being treated

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differently as a male?
On the whole, was it a good or a

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bad thing?
That is really tough because I

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genuinely, I'm, I'm thinking
about 5050 in my head of good

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things and bad things.
I think on the whole, probably

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in terms of like purely
selfishly, from experience, it

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probably was better.
I think I got away with more

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things.
I think you can you play into

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like really deep stereotypes of,
oh, he's just a man.

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He's not listening.
He can't do two things at once.

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It's like, well, actually, I'm
actually, you're actually just

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giving me more leeway for doing
something that if I was a

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female, I wouldn't even get this
much leeway.

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Like it shouldn't be like that.
But selfishly, it did make my

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life easier.
Do you know what I mean?

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So I don't, I don't know.
I think, yeah, overall probably

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it was a benefit being a man
100, but there were there were

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some drawbacks.
Yeah, I felt like I maybe it's

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just personal.
I don't know how much of it is

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just down to the personality of
the individual, but like I felt

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like I was able to voice my
opinion a lot more.

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Yeah.
And maybe be taken seriously a

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lot more.
And it's hard to compare like

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otherwise.
But because I am me, I'm not in

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someone else's shoes.
I don't know.

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But I felt like that that was I
was taken seriously.

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I think a lot way easy.
But, but no, but like I always

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say to people because they'll
also say like if I really got on

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with my class or did something
really good, there would also be

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some people that say, well, of
course you're a male teacher.

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Of course, of course it's going
to be better.

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Of course the kids are going to
like you more.

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Of course you're going to get
better data, of course.

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And it like, although I'm, I'm
winning personally to look at

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things and say, yeah, I was
lucky to get that leg up.

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I felt like sometimes other
people were really reluctant to

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say, Oh yeah, it's because of
you.

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It's because of your choices or
what you did rather.

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Sometimes it was brushed aside.
It's just like, well, you're a

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bloke, of course it's easier.
It's like, well, can we just

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like look at this and know it
can be both sometimes.

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Not on merit, right?
I imagine some people get the

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same in leadership.
I'm sure there are plenty of

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just genuinely unbelievably good
leaders who are men who will

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probably at least once in their
career have been said, oh,

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you're only there because you're
a man.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's the same sort of

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thing.
And, you know, does it happen?

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Yeah, probably does.
But is it, does it happen to

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everyone?
It's not always the case, so.

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Yeah, and it's really important
to say that looking at the split

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of female teachers to male
teachers and then female leaders

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to male leaders, that is
intrinsically wrong.

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Like because some people try to
say something like, well, it's

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just the best person for the job
who gets it.

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It's like you cannot convince me
that the best person means that

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excuse massively towards men.
That is not true.

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That's just not true.
So they they got inherent biases

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and that's completely wrong.
Like if the best person just got

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for the job, it would probably
stay the same ratio, wouldn't

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it?
Like realistic what you're

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saying there is women aren't
best at the job, men are.

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Yeah, that's that's ridiculous.
Isn't crazy.

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That is basically what it means.
Yeah, I agree that statistical,

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that proportion, it would be
exactly the same, it just would

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be.
That's just because there is no

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inherent.
That's not true.

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Or because our listeners are
mostly female, There should be

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more females.
Wow.

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There should be more 90 percent,
95%?

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Who needs men?
Yeah, we don't even need them.

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Naturally.
Do you know what?

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New hosts?
No.

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Did you know why we quit
teaching Dylan for these guys?

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Because we don't need men in.
Class exactly.

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We're bringing that actually
we'll make Yeah, well, I was

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going to say we're bringing it
back to equality.

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Who needs equality when we're
pro?

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The other thing that you like?
Whatever you guys want to hear

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is what we think right now.
Next question before we get

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cancelled.
This is from Oliver and this is

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a question for you Hayden.
I'll put a picture in here for

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you.
Have you realised in the last

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few weeks that Dylan looks like
Matthew from The Traitors?

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I mean, yeah, I've not been
watching the Traitors this time.

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I've watched one episode so I
don't recognise he'll.

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Flash up a little picture on the
edit he.

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Does.
Yeah, You.

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Well, does he look like you?
Go on.

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You look like him.
You know what?

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I'm going.
To say right, right, right.

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What?
Why is it important to switch

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that?
I think it's, it's, I don't

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know, I just think you give the
person who's sort of better

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looking like, like the other
person looks like them.

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OK, I mean.
It's an insult to him, isn't it?

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Yeah, he looks like you.
Are you saying I'm teaming

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Matthew?
You're yeah.

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Like teaming.
Yeah.

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That's probably a really good
way to turn it.

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You're teaming him, Yeah.
It's good to know, I think.

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A bit like you, yeah, A.
Little bit, I think.

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I think sometimes simply the
fact that someone's got dark

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hair and a slight beard.
Yeah, Dylan.

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Yeah, you do.
You do get compared to people.

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I might get a jumper like that.
Yeah.

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But anyway, traitors, you've not
been watching them.

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No, I, I didn't even know why.
I think maybe I think I just

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watched a bit too much Traitors
because I didn't get into it

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straight away.
It was you that got me into it

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probably.
I think when the third season

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came out.
So then I binge watched up to

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that point and then and then we
watched Celebrity Celebrity

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Traitors and then I just
couldn't be bothered.

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I was a bit done in with the
whole like, because ultimately I

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actually find quite a lot of the
show pouring.

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Like when they do the games and
stuff, I'm just like, I don't

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care.
Yeah, I don't really want.

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I just want to see him in the in
the circle the round table.

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If you throw the ball of flame
into the graving mass mess that

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we've done next to the next to
the the Hut that's in the middle

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of the forest and Masked Man
will come out and give you £50.

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Yeah, I know.
And then someone misses,

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genuinely, they go, you must be
a traitor.

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Like what do you mean the
traitors want the money?

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Everyone wants the money and no
one's dumb enough to for some

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reason sabotage, even if there
was an incentive.

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He stole a shield.
He doesn't want to be murdered,

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but he's doing it because it
doesn't matter if he's murdered

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or not.
No, you're just making.

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Stuff that's rubbish and I think
I will watch it at some point

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because I've heard it's actually
quite a good series, but.

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I've got to say this, this
season is, I think one of the

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best seasons.
And if you're listening to this

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on release day, this episode,
it's it's actually finished

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already.
So we know who's won.

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Matthew might have won.
Matthew.

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Congratulations, Matthew.
And if you didn't win, see, you

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never look like me.
Really cool, thanks for the

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spoilers.
I guess Matthew's still in it

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late in the season so cheers for
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You haven't watched it either.
Now you know Matthew doesn't get

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voted.
Out early on.

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Cheers, Dylan.
But he looks like me.

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He looks so good.
Go on.

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Next another.
Question.

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I'll see you give me the long
one to read.

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Yeah, I I really like seeing how
you do with these because you

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consistently mess up.
Guys, watch out for a cut.

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We'll know if he's messed up
because it'll cut harshly if

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you're watching.
There's no way, because what I

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always do is I put a bit of your
video over the cut so no one can

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ever know.
It's funny.

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It's funny.
You didn't do that last time.

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Well we'll see.
Whatever.

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I think you mentioned your
partners still, that's your

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fault.
I think you mentioned your

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partners still teach.
Could I ask how they have found

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the balance of parenting and
teaching?

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I know you have both been honest
and vocal on your own journey

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with teaching and not wanting to
miss your children growing up.

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I would like to start a family
but I'm scared I won't be able

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to balance it.
And no other female teachers who

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have really struggled after
maternity leave.

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Yeah, this is sad.
I, I, I like as in, in general,

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the, the, the point that so many
women feel this way.

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And I just find it so like we're
in a profession.

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I've always said this, we're in
such a serving profession to, to

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the community and to young
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And it just seems so often at
odds to having your own family

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and doing it yourself in the
most important way.

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It's, it's kind of sad.
What, what I would just very

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firstly say is please don't let
that worry or anxiety stop you

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from having a family because
you'll make it work.

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You'll make it.
You just won't do certain

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things.
You, you, it will become the

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most important part of your life
and it is the best thing ever.

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And if you have the opportunity
to do it and you want to do it,

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you should absolutely just do it
because you're you just won't

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regret it.
It's the best thing ever.

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And then everything else can
fall into place and you will

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make it work.
Like that has to come first is

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what I'd say to be. 100% And
like you said, there are so many

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situations.
I'm not going to have a 10

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diamond expert on all these
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What I can do is literally just
answer your question and talk

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about what our partners do.
So for context, there's slightly

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different situations.
Obviously me and Dylan are no

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longer in the classroom.
Both of our both of our Laurens.

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I have called Lauren still
teach.

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Now my partner Lauren works two
days a week.

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She wanted three days a week,
but it wasn't available and she

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took the two day option.
And she and I know she won't

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mind me saying this generally
finds that even though she

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thought, is this going to be
rubbish?

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Should I just be with River all
day?

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Should I just like should we
quit if we could?

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We weren't really in the
financial position to be able to

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do that.
She now reflects on it and

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thinks, I'm actually really glad
I've got this two days because

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it breaks up a week a bit.
So for her, the two day balance

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is absolutely perfect because
she still gets three days in the

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sort of working week where she
gets to be a mom and do what she

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wants to do with River.
And a lot of that time she can

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spend with just River, like, you
know, we'll be around but

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working.
So it's not quite the same.

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And in those two days, she says
to me, oh, that's my weekend

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now, my two days in school and
my days off.

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And she always likes to make the
point, you know, I'm sure she's

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listening right now.
She's rolling her eyes at me and

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she likes to make the point that
parenting unbelievably

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knackering and actually going
into school and doing the

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teaching job is a nice break
from that.

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But everyone's different.
Like, I know that early on we

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had conversations and Lauren's
quite sensitive with this thing

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and I know she would sometimes
compare herself to other mums in

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other situations and be like,
should I be doing it this way?

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Because that seems to be, you
know, the way people are happy.

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And, or is it bad that I, I'm
not having these two days with,

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with our daughter.
And actually we have come to the

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realisation as a family, you
just have to do literally what

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makes your family unit happy and
work and function.

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And this just happens to be a
really, really nice middle

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ground of a couple of days a
week at school.

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I think she would go to three
days if she could.

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Full time wouldn't work for us.
But I think equally not going

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back to work at all wouldn't
work for us either, which is

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something we definitely wouldn't
have realised pre, you know,

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this situation and.
Like, you know, you'd be taking

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such a hit on your finances as
well.

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And this is something, having
heard what you said there, I

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think a resonate of a lot of
people.

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But there'll be another group of
people who listen to what you

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say and like that.
Great.

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It's not even an option.
I've got to go back full time

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and like, like, we've got
another question in a minute

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actually about someone
returning.

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And I think it's important, like
you said, to work within your

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parameters as well.
And if you're listening to what

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Hayden just said there, because
similar situation with us where

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going back to work was a good
thing.

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In terms of we're lucky though,
we have to look at ourselves and

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say we're lucky. 1, Financially,
we can get by Still there are

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some people who can't, they
physically can't.

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Also we're lucky.
Both of our families are now

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with support from family members
as well.

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And with the introduction of
childcare, again, we'll go into

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more detail a minute about
funded childcare and how that

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can help.
I know River uses nursery as

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well.
So, you know, we're in a

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situation where we can pull on
different levers to make this

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work for us and we can
experiment with what works and

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what doesn't work and what's
best for our family, etcetera.

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But if we're thinking about
someone who's worried about

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doing it, maybe they're worried
because they think I won't be

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able to afford to go part time.
I just want to say to them that

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you will make it work and even
what you think of in the moment

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as the most stressful way of
going about it.

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Or my child's got to go to
nursery early for a long time.

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Lots of children do.
That's the world we live in.

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We can sit and get annoyed about
that until the cows come home,

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but don't let it stop you having
your family.

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Don't let it stop you doing it.
And that's what I'd say to you.

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I think it's normal to be
anxious.

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It's normal to be nervous.
It's normal to seek out what

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other people do.
But just remember when you seek

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out and hear what other people
do, it's not necessarily

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reflective of your situation as
well.

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So although it's good you don't
fall into the hole like Lauren

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did of thinking, oh, should I be
with my daughter for this time?

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Should I go part time even
though I can't afford it?

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Don't have those thoughts.
You know your situation you

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can't afford.
That's fine.

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Let's make it work and let's see
what we can do from there.

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It's so sad.
We're in a society now where

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having a child isn't just.
Am I emotionally ready?

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Is my household ready?
Do I want to do that yet?

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It's also but I can't because of
financial.

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Restraints or because of my job,
because I think a part of this

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question or the second part here
was could I ask how they found

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the balance of parenting
teaching?

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I imagine a part of that
question is very much just how

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did they manage doing the the
job of teaching, which is so

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ridiculously like overbearing
and to be a parent and to be

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completely honest, it made
Lauren strip back to this is

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what the job is like.
Everything we say on this

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podcast, Lauren lives and
breathes that now she's like,

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this is my job.
I do my job well, but I don't do

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my job in these times because
these Times Now take away time

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with my own child and I'm
literally not going to do that.

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It's made it so black and white
in her head of no.

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So when I'm with when I'm with
Lauren, like in the house in

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general, I don't really see her
sat there with a laptop.

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Oh, used to she would always be
sat on a laptop planning lesson

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doing this.
She doesn't do that anymore.

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Get the odd time, maybe the
weekend for an hour, do you know

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what I mean?
Or I'm leaving for 10 minutes.

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She'll just look ahead, but
she'll get into work, do

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everything she can at work,
strip back the rubbish,

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pointless tasks, say no to
things.

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I feel so proud of her at the
moment because she'll be like,

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no, I'm not doing this thing
that I've been asked to do,

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that's completely unreasonable.
Or I just say no.

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And that is how she's found her
balance.

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It's changed her as a teacher.
Yeah, it crystallises it,

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doesn't it?
Yeah, it's such a good point.

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Everything we say always, I'm
always grateful we started that

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journey early.
I certainly did.

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People always say, how did
having a child change you?

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For me personally, I was making
those changes before.

451
00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,600
I was already stripping it back
because I just knew that I

452
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,720
needed to do that.
We had the business to run.

453
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,840
We had the potential of family
in the future.

454
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,240
So yeah, I think it's such a
good point that actually this

455
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,200
might be what for a lot of
people kicks you into.

456
00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,560
It's a job.
Definitely you can do a good

457
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,880
job.
Definitely what take out of your

458
00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:16,840
life.
It leads really nicely into the

459
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,600
next question, which I'm going
to let you read this time.

460
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,280
Dylan, thank you.
Listen to this expected standard

461
00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,640
on the cusp of greater depth.
I'm currently on maternity leave

462
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,160
and my baby girl turns 23 weeks
this week.

463
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,160
Congratulations by the way.
Best thing ever.

464
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,360
I've now hit SMP payments.
Sad times.

465
00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:36,000
So statutory pay for maternity,
I've how mental is that by the

466
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,800
way, like when you look at other
jobs and I saw a real recently

467
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,560
Mr P mentioned it about how you
know, supermarkets are getting

468
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,560
full pay for a year.
Yeah of other public services

469
00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,680
get full pay for teaching is 2
and four weeks.

470
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you it's in.

471
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,960
Oh yeah.
Two weeks for pay, 4 weeks, 90%,

472
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,880
yeah.
Then it drops down to 50% with

473
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,560
statutory.
Yeah, I can't remember how long.

474
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,760
I think it might be 60.
About, about, about this this

475
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,080
long.
Yeah.

476
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,560
And then it's just that, yeah,
it's just insane.

477
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,640
It's just statutory.
It's in one of the lowest.

478
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,000
Comparable in the job which is
about the next generation.

479
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,280
It just that's.
The irony isn't it?

480
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,320
It's like this serving job to
children has the worst maternity

481
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,120
pay when compared with most.
Other and we all know how vital

482
00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:16,800
those early days are.
Sorry, sorry.

483
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,200
Let's carry on.
I've enrolled her into nursery

484
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,000
so that she starts in September
alongside me starting back at

485
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,280
work.
What's the deal with funding and

486
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,560
leaking timing to it and my
return date?

487
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,520
Love to you, wreck it Ralph and
Voldemort.

488
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,200
This is an old school listener.
Vicki, thank you very much.

489
00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:34,840
I feel like I'm going to chat
this back to you in a second.

490
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,000
I feel like you know a bit more
about this.

491
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,920
Obviously the only thing I can
say is with in our experience

492
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,080
right now, River is getting her
nursery funded.

493
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,440
So she goes to nursery just two
afternoons a week and we're not

494
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,920
using it all up.
And I believe there are 30 hours

495
00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,360
free childcare, free nursery you
can use.

496
00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:50,840
But I'm pretty sure there are
some caveats to it that I feel

497
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,360
like you know more about.
Let's see.

498
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,160
So here's the official line.
This is from the government

499
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,600
website.
If your child is aged 9 months

500
00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,080
to four years old, you can get
30 hours of free childcare per

501
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,000
week for. 38 weeks of the year,
first thing to know, it's not

502
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,880
52.
It is aligned with what they

503
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,920
provide in school for term time.
This is why there's always that

504
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,200
debate and we talked about this
before.

505
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,520
Is school childcare?
No.

506
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,280
Is nursery childcare?
Yes.

507
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,080
No, kind of.
Where's the line?

508
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,320
The point is the government are
subsidising 38 weeks of care for

509
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,280
your child, whether they're in
school or they're nine months

510
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,240
old.
You may be able to get free

511
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,320
childcare for more than 38 weeks
a year if you take fewer hours

512
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,200
over more weeks.
Now, this is a point more for

513
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,560
people who aren't teachers.
If you're a teacher, this is

514
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,080
irrelevant to you.
You might not necessarily need

515
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,840
that nursery time in those stand
dates, but if you're an average

516
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,320
Joe, you might actually drop
that down and get less hours per

517
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,000
week but across the whole year.
My, my friend, just jumping in

518
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,280
real quick is not a teacher.
And in a situation where their

519
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,600
little one, they obviously need
more than 38 weeks.

520
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,960
And what they've done is they've
prearranged with their nursery.

521
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,960
They said these are the weeks
for the whole year that we'll

522
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,520
need it.
And it works out at like 40

523
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,280
something weeks.
And then what they do is they

524
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,120
say rather than getting to the
summer holidays because that's

525
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,000
basically what it is and and you
have a whole four week block of

526
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,360
where you have to pay full
price, what they've done is

527
00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:07,880
basically just spread it out
across the year.

528
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,040
So there are situations where
you can at least spread the cost

529
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,720
out if you're in that sort.
Of we'll come on to that in a

530
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,640
second.
Absolutely.

531
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,520
So that's the official line.
But what the point is again,

532
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,200
Vicky was saying here about
timing it right and going back

533
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,120
because this was raised in
Parliament again this week.

534
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:27,360
I saw it mentioned about how you
can get stung as a teacher.

535
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:33,440
So it's actually you get from
the full next term after the

536
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,240
child turns 9 months and you
return to work.

537
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,600
So what the point here is, if
you think about when women

538
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,840
normally return to work, it's at
the start of a term, right?

539
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can end up waiting two, 3-4

540
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,280
months until the start of the
next term before that funding

541
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,960
kicks in, which means you get
stung by having to pay for

542
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,440
childcare in that whole time
that you're returning back to

543
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,480
work.
So you have to time it properly.

544
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,520
And what I'd say to people is go
and go onto websites, go and

545
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,880
find people who are experts and
see when actually will this kick

546
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,440
in.
And it's small things like

547
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,600
imagine you start back at work
on September the first.

548
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,760
OK, so you're, that's when it'll
kick in.

549
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,160
Call your baby's nine months
old, right?

550
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,200
Your funding's going to start in
January.

551
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,040
Yeah.
Yeah, you've got, you've got to

552
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,080
have from September, October,
November, December of paying for

553
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,600
their childcare, right, Because
you would have secured their

554
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,040
space before actually funding
kicks in after.

555
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,520
So I always feel weird moaning
about this because it is free.

556
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,680
Childcare overall, it's a great.
Thing OK, of course it's good

557
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,560
but the reason it's so important
is because people can't afford

558
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,520
it so why are we going to turn a
blind eye to when this happens

559
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,600
and for four months you've got
to pay for it's just.

560
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,720
It does seem a bit odd, doesn't
it?

561
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,640
It's.
Absolutely mental.

562
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,000
And this is the point you were
making there about your your

563
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,880
friend talked about how they
spread out over time.

564
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,200
They've managed to come to an
arrangement.

565
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,880
Yeah, some nurseries don't offer
that.

566
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,680
Some nurseries are are not
flexible at all.

567
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,680
And that's their prerogative.
And different nurseries will

568
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,000
have different rules.
So they don't offer only term

569
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,480
time.
So for example, 30 hours a week

570
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,800
for 38 weeks is equivalent to 22
hours a week across every single

571
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,600
week if you dropped it down,
yeah, I got you.

572
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960
That only really covers you for
two full days a week, right?

573
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,160
Or fully funded if you did a
full day.

574
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,600
So if someone maybe was dropped
off at let's say half seven in

575
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,120
the morning until 6, doing that
two days a week, that gets you

576
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,680
up to 22 hours pretty much,
right.

577
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,640
So although it's 30 hours a week
of funded childcare is what the

578
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,680
headline would say, actually for
a lot of people who are working

579
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,760
full time, it only covers 2 days
in nursery.

580
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also sometimes you still

581
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,400
have to pay, you know, because
it's not necessarily.

582
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,160
I know you mentioned something
about how a nursery said only

583
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,800
from 10 AM.
Does it kick in the free funded?

584
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,600
Yeah, that didn't feel that was
a nursery local to us that we

585
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840
were looking at hoping to send
rivety when we were looking ages

586
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,760
ago.
And yeah, they, they said it was

587
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,880
something along the lines of,
yeah, she can come from, you

588
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,320
know, 8:00 AM until whenever
she's staying.

589
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,280
But the free funding is only
applicable between the times of

590
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,160
like 10 and two each day.
And I was like it did it might

591
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,480
be slightly different.
It maybe added up to 22 hours.

592
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,320
And it was every single week.
It might have been that, yeah.

593
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,480
And I'm sure there was some mass
behind it, but I was a bit like,

594
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,280
OK, well, that's not really
convenient for us.

595
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,120
It's like because she doesn't,
we're not even going to be using

596
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,920
the full 30 hours.
We need her to come to nursery

597
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,000
realistically for like 16 hours
a week.

598
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,240
Yeah, and it's going to overlap
and it'll turn out that you're

599
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,040
actually paying for.
Half.

600
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,920
Yeah, exactly.
I'm like.

601
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,000
Because it's only when.
I'm using half the 30 hours and

602
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,560
I'm paying for half of it still.
I was like, it doesn't really

603
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,800
make any sense.
I went to another nursery.

604
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,000
They were like, not no, they
would.

605
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:27,800
They literally said to us, I was
like, what?

606
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,960
But no, just whatever hours you
do here, we'll just apply for

607
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,840
the funding.
And I was like, OK, this to me.

608
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,320
And my answer, I guess, to this
person is it made me think I

609
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,240
need to go away and look this up
a bit more and speak to people

610
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,080
who know what they're talking
about.

611
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,160
Yeah, when it comes to this,
because it just seemed quite

612
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,400
confusing.
That's The thing is do your

613
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,840
research on the nursery and what
they allow.

614
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,280
Shop around nurseries in your
area because it's down to them

615
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,280
how they rule and do it because
they might be I'm not oh I'm

616
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,640
staring the pot here maybe, but
I'm some nurseries are probably

617
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,000
trying to eek some more money
out of people.

618
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,880
I don't know.
Maybe I don't know if it makes

619
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,440
any difference to them.
It must be how they run it.

620
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,720
I don't know.
But look at your local

621
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,080
nurseries, see what their rules
are.

622
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,440
Check.
Literally just find out when you

623
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,680
return to work and your child
turns 9 months old.

624
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,120
Get a date online, talk to an
expert.

625
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,200
When will this kick in so at
least you can plan ahead.

626
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,440
That's what I'd.
Say to you definitely very good

627
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,720
questions there, very centred
around children as well. 22

628
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,640
questions in a row.
Love it.

629
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,040
On to the next man child.
Recently David Walliams got

630
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,120
cancelled and that meant a lot
of teachers had to suddenly

631
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,200
decide if he was an appropriate
person to have books of in their

632
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,600
classroom.
This reminds me of a Neil Gaiman

633
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,040
was also cancelled and suddenly
lots of English units had to be

634
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,400
rewritten.
What's your opinion of having to

635
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,440
change a curriculum when it
turns out the author is a bit of

636
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,160
a bad person?
Do we throw the baby out with

637
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000
the bathwater or can we focus on
the subject matter and text

638
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,960
instead?
My gut feeling is context is

639
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,760
really important.
People, authors are role models,

640
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,680
which and we have so many of
them.

641
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,200
Why would we risk it and keep
him in the classroom?

642
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,280
That my gut feeling is of course
we get rid of him.

643
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,200
Of course we like he's a
terrible rumble and has done

644
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,440
horrible things.
I don't really want to be

645
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,680
talking about with kids either.
Yeah.

646
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,440
So let's just here you go,
there's all, there's 7000 other

647
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,160
authors we can use, right?
Just get rid of that one.

648
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,640
It is a privilege to have your
work used in a school.

649
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Yeah, there, there are so many
really, really good authors out

650
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,560
there that we can afford to be
picky.

651
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,360
Why are we getting political?
Is it political?

652
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,920
Is it political when we look at
what some of these people have

653
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,760
done?
So there's kind of two points to

654
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,280
this, right?
I really just want to focus on

655
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,160
the initial point because it
always fascinated me, but not

656
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,760
not my whole career because I, I
read books like Miss Distinct in

657
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,160
my class, I read Grandpa's Great
Adventure, I've read David

658
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,080
Welland's books in my classes
earlier on in my career.

659
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,400
But very quickly I remember
thinking, why am I doing this?

660
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,720
Because the I would argue this
is not a case of David Walliams

661
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,160
wrote some books that were
really good and quality text and

662
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,240
amazing and in his personal
life, he's done some horrific

663
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,560
things.
So now we should cancel him.

664
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,400
That's more of a question about
whether the work's affected.

665
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,920
Right.
Because it's like the work

666
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,480
itself stands alone and was
really good.

667
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,640
Yeah.
That would be more of a

668
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,200
conversation to me.
But I think his work was always

669
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,960
wrong as well and just.
And just ridiculous.

670
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Yeah.
Why are we putting this in,

671
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,560
like, a second first place?
It's like separate.

672
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,560
It's like, cool.
Yeah.

673
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,880
He could be the best person in
the world.

674
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,920
He could be an absolute Angel.
I actually don't think we should

675
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,720
be doing his books in the
classroom anyway because of the

676
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,120
stereotyping.
And I just think children, oh,

677
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,560
don't you get the nuance of the
comedy?

678
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,640
What is it nuance?
Some of the stereotypes in this

679
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,120
book don't even feel like I want
to go through them.

680
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,600
Anyone who's read David Williams
books knows do we need to teach

681
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720
7 year olds that oh, it's OK
because it's just a joke and we

682
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,360
can make the shopkeeper this
stereotype of of an Asian man.

683
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,240
We, we can talk about how if you
live in a high rise block,

684
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,440
you're poor and you're scum.
If we can talk about how the

685
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,320
homeless person stinks called Mr
Stink and he's homeless and

686
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,960
isn't he just a person who we
should ridicule and and make

687
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,360
jokes out because of it?
And the council flat mum is just

688
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,440
the.
Yeah, yeah, bags of crisps for

689
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,200
tea that you have your 6 pack of
crisps.

690
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Yeah.
There are a lot like, do

691
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,680
children don't need that?
No.

692
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,080
OK, We're not saying council
comedy.

693
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,040
These people who get really
angry when everyone mentions

694
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,720
everyone should be able to do
whatever they want because it's

695
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,200
freedom of speech and why are we
getting involved?

696
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,000
We're just a school because
we're choosing.

697
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,480
We're getting involved in the
act of choosing because they're

698
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,720
8.
Exactly.

699
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,200
They don't have fully formed
brains that understand adult.

700
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Comedy, that's the new ones
there.

701
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520
I don't, I don't actually think
now that all Asian people are

702
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,680
going to have this specific name
be really good at maths well.

703
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,360
I think what whilst we're there,
let's take off all the age

704
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,400
ratings of films then, shall we?
Right, right, right.

705
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,600
Yeah.
Why do we need 12 to put it in

706
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,640
the classroom?
Do you know what?

707
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,360
Because we recognise that kids
you'd have developing different

708
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,600
rates and actually they're just
not appropriate for them until

709
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,840
your brain's more developed.
Simple as that.

710
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Really.
Like take basically David

711
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,400
Bunyan's books.
To me it's just Little Britain,

712
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,680
which was an adult risky comedy,
but it's adults for adults.

713
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,400
And the point is adults
hopefully understand the nuance.

714
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,160
And I'm sure even still there's
arguments to say and people

715
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,560
would say that adults won't even
understand anyone and just

716
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,160
thought it was funny.
And then and then, well,

717
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,760
racism's funny, OK.
They're not.

718
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480
It's not, though, is it?
Putting it in children's books

719
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,240
is another step.
It's like you're just mental.

720
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,120
But I agree that you were making
two points there.

721
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,280
I still think the first one's
really interesting.

722
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,560
And I still hold the opinion of
even if his books were good, the

723
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,440
fact that he is now a terrible
public figure and lots of things

724
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,160
have, you know, been come out
about him in the public, it is

725
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,960
enough for me anyway.
I'm like, purely for the fact

726
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,000
that we're picking.
I'm like, yeah, OK.

727
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,320
I don't.
I don't want that person face on

728
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,480
the inside cover of books in my
classroom with kids who have

729
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,320
potentially seen on the news of
their family or been told by

730
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,240
anyone the allegations and the
things that have happened with

731
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,120
this person.
I don't want that.

732
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,960
Why would I want that?
It's a classroom and then like

733
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,840
you said, there's thousands of
books.

734
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,000
I can control it.
It just seems so stupid to do

735
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,480
that.
You've got no right to be in the

736
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,880
classroom.
That's it, isn't it?

737
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,040
So there's no right there.
It's not.

738
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400
It's not ruining anyone's.
It's like saying it's like me

739
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,560
walking into a classroom in
Wolverhampton and going why

740
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,840
aren't you playing my podcast?
Why aren't you playing my

741
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,960
podcast trying to silence me?
No, no, it's just not relevant.

742
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,720
I'm not chosen to do it.
And I think it's frustrating

743
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,240
because we talk about workload
all the time and imagine you've

744
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840
got this unbelievable unit you
put hours and hours into, right?

745
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,800
And it and it's really, really
good unit.

746
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,400
And I get what this person is
saying about, you know, the text

747
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,400
itself might be great and you've
planned this whole thing.

748
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,160
And then the author comes out
and they say, oh, for goodness

749
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,360
sake, it's frustrating.
I think you have to change it.

750
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,520
But This is why I think the
second point I was making is

751
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,720
relevant here, because what I
implore people to do is,

752
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,280
although that's frustrating.
Now, let's say you've planned a

753
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,040
really good Dave Wellems unit
and you're just like, say I've

754
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,240
got to do a brand new one from
scratch.

755
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,800
That's frustrating.
I would implore you just in the

756
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,800
1st place to, to have maybe made
the decision not to use that

757
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240
text, but to maybe have thought,
well, could I have picked a

758
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,040
different text that is more
appropriate for the children?

759
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,520
And you wouldn't find yourself
in that situation anyway.

760
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Like I, I just do think there's
some harmful there.

761
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,360
There's some harmful stuff in
in.

762
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,520
Old texts as well.
If you read Son of Narnia, for

763
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,920
example, the way I think I can't
remember this section now, it's

764
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,600
frustrating me.
Maybe it's when Father Christmas

765
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,480
appears or when Aslan's there
was, but the way he treats the

766
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,320
boys is very different how he
treats the girls.

767
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,760
So like putting a pedestal of
like, you're the boy.

768
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240
Of course you'll do this and
that and you're the girl and

769
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,120
you'll do that lovely thing.
It's like separate.

770
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,440
But I remember reading it and
thinking, Oh, it is different

771
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,440
and it had a language that was
different as well.

772
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,080
We, we've read Iron Man, which
is an older book, you know,

773
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Fantastic Mr. Fox, Dr Roald
Dahl.

774
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,640
Our 4th episode ever was about
should we cancel Roald Dahl?

775
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,280
And everyone's like, no, it's a
different time.

776
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,120
I think all of these
conversations are really

777
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,880
pertinent and are important.
And I think you can still use

778
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,560
texts even when there's
controversy around them.

779
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,880
But I just think when we're
talking about very young

780
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,080
children, there does come a
point where it's just like,

781
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,920
yeah, just don't do it.
Yeah, We can also protect them

782
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,520
from this other thing that's
happening in real life, though,

783
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,360
that is linked heavily to the
author of this book.

784
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Yeah.
But yeah, I agree.

785
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,000
There's some things that are
slightly more black and white,

786
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,480
some things that are more
nuanced, some things that can

787
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,480
have great discussions, some
things you can say.

788
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,480
You can have a really good
discussion and be like, this is,

789
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840
yeah, let's challenge this
stereotype from 1960.

790
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,120
How has it changed?
Why has it changed?

791
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Is it better that it's changed?
You can have some of those

792
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,760
conversations with 910 year olds
like that.

793
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,880
That can all happen.
But David Walliams, I think just

794
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880
get him in the bin.
I think people have been trying

795
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,000
to get him in the bin for a
while.

796
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
So it's almost like, yeah, OK,
that's final nail in the coffin

797
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,120
here.
Let's let's just get David

798
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Walliams in the.
Bin I just can't imagine many

799
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,720
teachers out there were planning
really good new David Walliams

800
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,320
units in the last two years or
three years.

801
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,320
I think we all kind of know.
And, and there's one more thing

802
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,200
as well.
I want to come back to you.

803
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,680
I don't know if it's too deep.
It might be too.

804
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,560
I'm like, let's go deep.
I might be thinking too a

805
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,880
Jingle.
This is the Teach Steeper

806
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:25,080
podcast, and we're going deep.
So deep listen up after you

807
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,040
follow and share with your
friends.

808
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,480
Yeah, it's AD break.
Yeah, literally.

809
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,800
So what I was going to say was
in in like this current climate

810
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,520
of like even just politics in
the world, which just feels like

811
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,360
chaos, by the way, where it
seems like when you just have

812
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,600
when you're just in a leadership
position or in lots of power,

813
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,960
you can just do what you want
and everyone and you just get

814
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,880
away with it.
It doesn't matter.

815
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,880
I feel like this is the best
time more than ever to for there

816
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,880
to be consequences.
Do you know what I mean?

817
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,400
Like, yeah, David Williams, if
we leave him in the classroom,

818
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,200
there's this little part of me
that would be like for those

819
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,800
kids that do know what's
happened.

820
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,360
They are just thinking, oh, but
I still get to read his book.

821
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,960
It turns out you can do what you
want when you're rich and

822
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,680
famous.
But it's just This is why I

823
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,400
think it's probably a bit too
deep and I'm reading too far

824
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,000
into this.
But no, there's like a sub

825
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,000
subconscious subtext here where
I'm like, yeah, let's just show

826
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,120
kids that.
Yeah, you don't.

827
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,920
That's not how it works.
That's not how the world works.

828
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,880
I mean, it is how the world
works a lot at the moment.

829
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640
But it shouldn't be.
There are consequences.

830
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,480
Doesn't matter if you've just
got a bit more money, a bit more

831
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,560
fame than someone else.
You've done terrible things.

832
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,040
Oh, you've lost your privilege
of being in the class.

833
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,040
And you said it's a privilege.
No one's going to read your

834
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,840
books anymore.
Goodbye.

835
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,400
Doesn't matter.
I don't care that you're famous.

836
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800
I don't care that you made
loads, TV shows and X Factor or

837
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,800
whatever you've.
It wouldn't sit today.

838
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,320
Pop culture, you are bloody X
Factor, man.

839
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,200
Yeah.
Britain's Got Talent.

840
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Yeah, no, you're right.
Because in the classroom,

841
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,560
wouldn't the classroom, you
know, structures fall apart

842
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,200
really quickly if consequences
stopped happening like you

843
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,120
might, you might imagine having
a conversation with a kid about

844
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,400
how it's really important you
don't say these things in the

845
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,400
classroom, in the in the
playground when you're talking

846
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,200
to people because they really
affect people negatively.

847
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360
And it's not nice.
And even though you might not

848
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
have even meant it, I have this
conversation with kids all the

849
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,600
time.
You don't need to mean something

850
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,679
to to offend and hurt someone.
It doesn't mean necessarily you

851
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,560
should never ever, ever be able
to say those opinions

852
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,280
whatsoever.
But it doesn't mean that if

853
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,199
you're just growing as a human
and having empathy, you might

854
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,840
make choices differently in the
future.

855
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,800
And it means if you keep saying
that people will choose not to

856
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,840
be friends with you.
And you can't have both.

857
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,080
If you're going to moan about
the fact you want to be able to

858
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,320
say what you want all the time,
you can't then moan about when

859
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320
people don't want to hang around
with you and you talk about

860
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,920
these consequences of actions.
There has to be consequences as

861
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,480
well.
Like imagine saying that and

862
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,960
having a really deep
conversation and you get through

863
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,840
to a child and say it's really
important to treat people with

864
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,440
empathy.
You can't say those kinds of

865
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,000
things in a playground, it's
unacceptable.

866
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,400
But that bloke can.
Let's read it.

867
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,360
Or even the whole text about it.
This kid though, he's really

868
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,320
popular, so the rules don't
apply to him.

869
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,679
He's so popular that he gets to
keep all of his privilege when

870
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:51,960
he does these things.
I've just told you that you

871
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,199
can't do so.
Enjoy.

872
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,800
Yeah, I think.
You wouldn't do it.

873
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Just keep licking your boots and
stay here to the ground, boy.

874
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,120
Yeah, and that'll be all good.
Last question, Go on.

875
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,280
So I read it.
Yeah, from Richard Whiteley,

876
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,120
which made me laugh.
If anyone knows why that made me

877
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,280
laugh after I read this
question, please put it in the

878
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,280
comments down below.
Richard Whiteley.

879
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Hi Teach sneak repeat podcast.
I love game shows.

880
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,000
Me too, like the 1% Club and
Countdown.

881
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,320
And I was wondering what game
show you think makes the best

882
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,360
activity for the classroom.
I've seen things like Taskmaster

883
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,920
and Countdown for years, but I
was wondering if you thought

884
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,760
there was a game show that's
been missing.

885
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
No doubt you will say traitors,
but I just can't see it.

886
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,920
Trade.
We mentioned traitors today.

887
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,040
I don't think necessarily
traitors is for a teaching and

888
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,600
learning thing.
I think it can be for a you

889
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,840
know, it's a lot of deception,
it's a lot of learning about

890
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,680
lying.
It's rewarding lying and stuff.

891
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,800
I don't think it necessarily
fits with a primary classroom

892
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,080
the whole time to be honest with
you.

893
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,400
No, no, probably not.
I mean, I feel like it's not

894
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,440
been mentioned.
I need to mention it.

895
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Who wants to be Millionaire?
Is that the ultimate game?

896
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,400
Surely.
That'd be good.

897
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,720
One multiple choice I suppose.
I guess what they're getting at

898
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,960
here is, you know, like 1% club
is good because it's lateral

899
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,360
thinking.
It's like it's learning.

900
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,400
Countdown's really good because
it's letter than numbers.

901
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,760
I I would go back to a very
obscure quiz show that I happen

902
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,840
to be on.
Of course, another 10.

903
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,440
Just just letting you all know.
I've actually, I've actually

904
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,440
been on this show and I know how
it works.

905
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,200
All right, which is why I know
it's so good.

906
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,440
Impossible with Rick Edwards.
Really good premise to the show

907
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840
because the idea was there's a
group of like 20 of you.

908
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Let's say you get asked the
question and there are three

909
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,000
possible answers.
One is the correct answer, 1 is

910
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960
the wrong answer, and the other
one is impossible right?

911
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,760
So for example it might say in
which US state was George

912
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Washington born, right?
It would give you the right

913
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,960
answer, which would be AUS
state, the wrong answer, which

914
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,360
would also be AUS state, but
it's incorrect and the

915
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,760
impossible answer wouldn't even
be AUS state, so maybe it's

916
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,800
Mexico.
It's not AUS state, it's

917
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,160
impossible.
Which I would put as my answer

918
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:47,560
you.
Probably.

919
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,440
You probably would.
You probably probably would, but

920
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,240
the point being that if you got
the answer right or wrong, you

921
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,400
stayed in the game and at the
end, whoever got the most in the

922
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,760
per round move through.
But if you ever put the

923
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,680
impossible answer, you were out.
Oh.

924
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,560
That's pretty cool, isn't?
It so you had to avoid it.

925
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,680
And the reason I'm saying all
this now is because I think

926
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,680
there's something in that when
it comes to testing children

927
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,760
about maybe things they've
learned or imagine a maths

928
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,480
answer, right, where maybe there
are two negative numbers and a

929
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,320
positive number.
It's like, well, this question,

930
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,760
it's a negative, it's a negative
number in degrees and it gets

931
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,720
colder.
It's impossible that it's

932
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,640
positive.
It might be the other two.

933
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,080
And I think there's lots of
reasoning opportunities there to

934
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,040
have something that's literally
impossible.

935
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,040
And you can say to the class,
and I always like doing this, I

936
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,240
don't want to know the right
answer.

937
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,720
I want you to tell me why it
can't be this answer and force

938
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,120
them to do that reasoning rather
than just going for an answer or

939
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,320
procedure.
I think that's a great idea

940
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,240
because I think it can be a
short, snappy thing, and I

941
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,800
genuinely think you could
probably, if you put up enough

942
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200
thought into it, make that work
for basically any subject, you

943
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,680
know what I mean?
I think about foundation quiz.

944
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,640
Yeah, like imagine, imagine
you're you've done a history

945
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,360
lesson and you say which, which
Roman emperor did this exact

946
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
thing?
You put a Roman emperor, another

947
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,880
Roman emperor, you know, the
children have learned.

948
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,440
And then maybe someone from a
different history unit you've

949
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,440
done previously.
Yeah, Yeah.

950
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,920
And you can say how do you know
that's wrong?

951
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Because that's actually a leader
from the Maya Empire or someone

952
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,400
I knew from historical that
we've done before.

953
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,480
I think that's a really powerful
one to do your kids, and just in

954
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,560
general, any opportunity for
children to explain the opposite

955
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,160
usually really deepens their
understanding of something, I

956
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,160
find.
This is brilliant.

957
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,200
I think tuning in a couple of
weeks we'll be selling a product

958
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,440
that does exactly this for you.
Why is everything selling well?

959
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,000
You're such a capitalist.
Listen, listen.

960
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,200
I've quit the classroom, become
an entrepreneur.

961
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,920
That's what I do.
Now supplement that statutory

962
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,800
maternity pay somehow.
I need to, I need to pay

963
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,160
somebody else now to make me
these questions and I'll sell it

964
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:41,560
to you and that's how it works.
Oh, do you remember you talking

965
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,880
about the world?
It's just people getting away

966
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,640
with stuff.
Yeah, we can't beat them.

967
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Just make a slot product to sell
to your podcast audience.

968
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,200
But we'd never do that.
We'll be Dylan.

969
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,000
Not with Mathsu, which is the
fantastic way that you can solve

970
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,360
maths in your classroom.
But it's not.

971
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,680
Slop.
That's the thing, It's amazing.

972
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,040
It's not slop.
It's actually a really good

973
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,160
product.
And we're doing loads of demos

974
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,400
at a minute and it's going in
schools as we speak.

975
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,840
It's literally being put in
front of children helping them

976
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,120
with the arithmetic guys, you
can probably tell we're super

977
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,120
excited.
If in your school you want to

978
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,320
smash arithmetic and fluency,
please get in touch with us

979
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,600
because do you know what?
At least we can just get on a

980
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,960
demo and show you.
We will show you in action.

981
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,480
And as of yet with all the demos
I've done, and this might be

982
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,800
true for you head and confirm it
is no one has finished the demo

983
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,840
and not said Oh my goodness me I
want this in my school right

984
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,120
now.
Exactly the same for me.

985
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,480
In fact, they've said.
I'm so glad it was you as well.

986
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,240
I'm not Dylan on the call
showing me this, which has made

987
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,160
it better.
Like that's the one step further

988
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,440
it went, which was just crazy.
If you want a demo of Hayden,

989
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,080
get in touch and we can show you
what we've got.

990
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Thank you so much for your
questions.

991
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,200
If you want to submit any more
questions in the future, you can

992
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,040
join our WhatsApp community down
in the link below.

993
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,040
You can book a demo for Master
down there as well.

994
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,280
Please do.
We'd love to chat with you,

995
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,040
Hayden, before we finish off
anything to say.

996
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Oh, he's going back to this old
chestnut.

997
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,240
Have a lovely rest of your day
and I look forward to seeing him

998
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,360
in the next except dinner.
Good use of words.

999
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,160
Maybe you do need countdown
practise.