Ep 171: AI In Education: Tech Barriers, Government Plans & Replacing Teachers?!

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Steep

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name's Hayden.
And before we start, Dylan,

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you'll see your mouth going.
You always pick on me at the

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start of the episode, so I
thought I'd pick on you.

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You're wearing a Gym Shark
hoodie right now, and you

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haven't been to the gym in about
10 years.

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Is there a reason for that?
I'm also not a shark.

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Well, you know, that was a bit
more obvious.

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I don't actually, but you have
not you have not been to the gym

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in a long time.
Just came back to me and I am a

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shark.
Like in clothing I can realise

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not not even a shark who can
talk.

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Just a shark.
Not me in shark form.

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A literal shark.
Only at this point and I realise

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a shark let me in the house, a
shark got me a drink, a shark

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took me upstairs, turned the
lights on.

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Not only that, I'm just doing
dumbbells the whole time as

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well.
So what do you mean?

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Yeah?
I'm a gym shark.

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Do you know what?
Do you know what?

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Bloody you take it all back?
Bloody you take it all back.

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Also, sorry, very brave coming
from a man with some kind of

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foreign language written on
their top that could say

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anything.
Yeah.

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Well, do you know what it says?
No.

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Well, I'll tell you then.
In that case, it says this

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podcast is great and you
wouldn't even know.

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You know, there's things of
people who get tattoos and it

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turns out it says like
completely, yeah, that's you

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right now.
So funny.

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That says something on the lines
of teachers suck.

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Look what he's saying to you
guys.

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It might do or it might.
It might just say T-shirt, it

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might just say extra large.
I don't know.

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Have you seen the flip version
where there's pictures of people

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in like Asian countries and it
just says like smile?

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Yeah, or again tattoos.
They get something tattooed in

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English on their on their arm
and just doesn't make sense.

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Loading like in their language
it means really profound about

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building up in English is just
loading.

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Yeah, yeah, does not have the
same profound nature.

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We took a bit of a detour there,
but anyway, today's episode is

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all about artificial
intelligence.

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Now something we talked about
before, but the reason we want

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to talk about it today is
because we've just got back from

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BET 2026 and I would say the
biggest thing on my mind when I

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finished was sure excitement.
There's lots of real good use

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cases for artificial
intelligence now can help

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education, but also I, I can't
shake off and I've never been

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able to do this in education.
The reality of actually

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implementing it and how
realistic it will be and what

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will actually happen then in the
future.

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So do you want to lay a bit of
context down, a little bit of

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our thoughts and what we even
did there?

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Who did we hear?
Yeah, yeah, sure.

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So like just to sort of jump on
what you said, my first thought

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at bet was, is there anything
but AI?

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Because there was so much stuff
and even last year we went and

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we thought, oh, has a lot of AI
stands popping up now?

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Because it was kind of, you
know, the rise of AI, but it

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felt like genuinely everything
was about AI there, wasn't it?

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Like all of the because we
booked in for a few talks and in

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the arena, which is really cool.
And yeah, I looked at loads of

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stand and it was just this
everything has AI at the end of

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the name AI in the name
somewhere to be like, hey, look

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us, we're using AI come and
check us out.

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So that I think that's important
context in terms of clearly it's

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on everyone's minds.
So one of the one of the biggest

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things that happened was Bridget
Phillipson came out and did a

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talk and we were in the arena at
the time and.

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Education Secretary for anyone
listening who might not be in

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the UK, thank.
You for the clarification and

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she.
Hated talking by the way.

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He's a host of TC Repeat
everyone listening outside of

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the normal listeners.
What we might do is every

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sentence, if you could.
Just sentence is just a group of

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words put together to make a
phrase that makes sense on its

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own if you.
Could just summarise what I'm

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saying each time, that'd be
great.

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Saying is when you're talking.
You've done it in in a certain

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tense.
This is horrendous.

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I'd be impressed if you can go
on, right.

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So yeah, Bridget Phillips came
out and and did did quite a long

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talk and a lot of it really was
centred around AI and how she

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thinks.
And the government, I guess

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think that AI can be a huge
player in solving a lot of the

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problems in education.
It's it's quite a wide open

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point.
And if you want to sort of nail

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down and start anywhere in this.
Yeah, it, it was good.

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Do you know what I'll say
genuinely, Bridget Phillips, in

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my time as a teacher, I think
it's the most I've I've seen

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passion come through.
Yeah, for sure.

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And genuine desire for
implementing technology in a way

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that's going to help teachers
and just passion for education

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in general and specifically
around social mobility and SEND

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that comes through in everything
she says.

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So like I, I was very, I, I feel
very grateful.

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You know, I've seen the merry go
round of education secretaries

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over the whole time that I've
been a teacher.

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And I do think that her message
is on point and I do think she's

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saying the right thing.
So that's, that's a really good,

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solid start.
Genuinely.

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I, I just feel like sometimes
when she was talking about what

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they're doing and implementing,
she announced like 6 or 7

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different things.
Yeah, it turned into a bit of a

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party political broadcast
really, which, which I

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understand.
Obviously she's going to do

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that.
It's a good place to announce

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these things.
But it, it felt like, yeah,

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they're putting money in the
right place.

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It's not enough money.
I don't personally think, no.

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And the big push about how
technology can transform

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education and help teachers, She
was very, very, very clear it's

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not about replacing teachers.
We'll come on to that later

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because I'm not sure in general
what will happen, but she was

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very, very clear about how it's
helping teachers and students,

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right and and kids to learn
more.

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My worry with it is that the
actual physical hardware and

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technology I've got an iPad here
in classrooms does not remotely

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match what the vision is for
using it to help children and

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teachers alike.
For sure that that to me is the

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thing that screamed out that I
I'll just want to get on the

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roof to I want to get I want to
start a podcast, you know, where

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I've got people listening and
say only if only we had a

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platform to sort the people and
just say this is the issue.

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Do you think then, because I've
been really thinking about this

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since at the first, I was very
much on the side of one line of

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thought, which is schools don't
have enough money to get the

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tech, to get the iPads, to get
the computers, the laptops,

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whatever it is, to be able to
harness the full power of all of

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this tech, whether it's AI or
not.

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And I've that's where I started
and I'll share my sort of

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thoughts now.
But is that what you think?

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Do you feel like the problem is
simply this?

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Schools aren't being given
enough money to invest in tech?

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That's it.
There's multiple things going

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on.
Lots of schools have enough

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tech, so where do they get the
money from?

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Yeah, right.
They got the money daily, right?

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I think lots of schools are
making decisions, maybe to spend

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money elsewhere.
I think that's also because of

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necessity half the time, right?
We've got a bunch of money.

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What we're going to spend on,
OK, maybe cover because we need

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to actually cover our teachers
properly.

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Or maybe I'm going to spend it
on playground equipment because

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PE is very important and
physical health is super

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important.
And maybe in my catchment area,

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actually we're really behind on
a certain thing.

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So I'm going to boost some money
into that.

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All these decisions are fine and
makes sense, but unless you have

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a real clear tech part that is
for tech, money's going to

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haemorrhage out of that.
So I don't think it's just

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simply saying the government
aren't giving enough money.

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I think it's a whole system of
we need to simply have a set of

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money and funding going into
schools to make sure tech is up

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to date and it's ring fenced and
it's extra and it's, and it's

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important to have because it
feels like, again, it's just

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another thing that the
government can say is really

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important and will really
transform things.

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Can you please just make sure
you do it?

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It's a, oh, wait, I've got 30
Chromebooks between 100 and 20

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kids per year group, and four of
the Chromebooks don't work.

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At one point.
It's like, OK, cool.

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Let's look at all of the really
good tech options for children

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that can help their learning.
We need more of a ratio than

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that for it to actually be
effective.

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Yeah.
So we have to, we have to make

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sure that schools are getting
the technology they need because

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I can imagine a school in a
rural area looking at what the

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government are saying and
nothing will cut through because

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the first thing that score in
the rural area needs is the

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funding to have the technology
to be able to access it.

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That has to come first.
Yeah, I fully agree.

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There's a bit of a catch 22 as
well in terms of the tech when

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when schools don't have enough
tech, sorry, don't have enough

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devices to use the tech.
Sometimes that can actually make

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the tech they're trying to use
genuinely A nuisance.

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And then, you know, it's like,
unless you have the full set of

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equipment, the tech is actually
less effective.

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It's annoying because like you
said, like things are not

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working on one class they've got
going on a rota now and then

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they're just it's annoying to
use and that just isn't good

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because this is great tech
solutions that people are then

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going, Oh, this is rubbish.
Doesn't work.

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It's not that it doesn't work,
it's just that you don't have

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the right equipment to use it.
So that's one point.

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And then secondly, yeah, I kind
of basically I agree what you

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said about the tech pot of
money.

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It has to, it has, it's the only
way.

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Because I look at when you look
at some schools where you say,

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well, they've managed to do the
tech, they've managed to get all

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of the equipment in their
school.

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So therefore clearly all schools
can do it.

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I hate that generalisation
because I'm like, we don't know.

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You don't know what that school
prioritised.

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Yeah, they might have cut back
on other things that when you

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find out about what they cut
back on, you think, oh, you

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can't cut that.
That's a significant thing.

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You're just looking at the fact
that they have the equipment.

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So it has to be regardless of
what schools already have or

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don't have right now.
I feel like there has to be a

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top down approach of we are
going to equip all of our

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schools with enough equipment so
that all of this stuff we're

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saying about tech can actually
be implemented properly because

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one without the other doesn't
really make any sense.

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And that's when it comes back
around to, and we've mentioned

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this before in the past, lip
service.

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When people, governments,
whatever policy makers say stuff

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and it sounds great.
There's a glaringly obvious

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problem that could be solved
that isn't solved.

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That's when I go, oh, OK, this,
this is meaningless.

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And this is just lip service.
You're, you're not actually,

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you're not actually trying to
solve this problem because, you

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know, you know, these schools
have no equipment and you're

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saying tech is the solution and
then going blind eye walk away.

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Yeah, that's just not good to
me.

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We can solve teacher burnout
because it's going to do lots of

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marking for you.
Isn't that fantastic?

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Oh, really?
Wait, can we have the thing to

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do on?
No, no, no.

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OK, so it's not.
Get it from your existing

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budgets.
We don't have our existing

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budgets already completely
stretched.

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And if we if we would have to
fire ATA to do this and we don't

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really want to do that, it's
ethical to consideration the

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other school did it.
Yeah, OK, that's up to them.

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Like right.
Can we all just have the same

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part for this thing?
Can you just say here how much

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you need?
Here you go.

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Here's an iPad for every kid.
That is such a good point you

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made about how when you're
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particular, it's easy to make
comparisons between schools.

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But schools are so much more
complex than that.

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Like you said that school with
one iPad per kid very much may

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well not have any support stuff.
They they may have made that

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decision.
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And I'm not saying that's the
right way to go either, because

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I think people can sometimes
think, oh, well, you're saying

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one tech, more tech in the
classroom.

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That means at this expense
that's bad, you're terrible.

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No, it's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying that as a

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baseline, we need to have that.
There's there's something else

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that really jumped out at me
that I find fascinating is the

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political problem.
Like I genuinely understand how

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it's easy for us to sit here and
say, well, why don't you just do

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that?
Isn't that easy.

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If you don't go on politicians,
why don't you just give everyone

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an iPad, etcetera.
They must be constantly walking

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a rope of appeasing people.
At the end of the day, they're

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there to serve the people.
And there is a significant

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portion of society and it's
growing who look at tech and say

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tech in schools and screens in
schools equals bad.

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So in the one breath you've got
the government saying how

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important tech is for the
classroom.

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I agree, by the way, because
they're going to enter the real

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world, which is so tech heavy.
We have to make sure that

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they're learning how to actually
use these devices properly and

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also just like get the most out
of them, right?

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But then at the same time, we're
explaining how it's so important

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to do that.
Tech's really important.

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It's going to save teachers time
in the classroom.

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Kids need to use it and and use
it well.

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At the same time, you've got
people saying no screens in the

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classroom, technology, what my
kid has any technology in the

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classroom, I'll be taking them
out of that school.

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Then that's awful for them and
you've got the government

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releasing a device on screen
time, etcetera.

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In the early years, they're
going to be releasing, as

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Bridget was saying, they're
going to extend that and give

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advice for infants, give advice
for primary, give advice for

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secondary, so that that's going
to be given, right?

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So it'd be really, really
interesting to see how this

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tightrope is kind of walked
because my genuine opinion is we

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need way more tech in schools.
But I do think there'll be a big

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push back from a, from a big,
big section of societies.

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Like how do you think about
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I do wonder if that guidance
they're going to bring out, you

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know, the, the screen time
guidance, which I starting with

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sort of early years and then
they're going to, she said.

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They're going to work their way
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It could be a really big force
for good, you know, yeah, I

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think it could be the
government's way of very nicely

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saying to parents and people who
are more carers, whoever who are

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sort of anti screen time
completely and can't see the

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nuance between YouTube algorithm
brain rot and actual educational

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software that's really helpful
like Mapsu.

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Like Mapsu, you know can't see
the difference just.

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Randomly pick one out there.
Yeah, he just thought of one on

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top of.
Your head.

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Yeah, massive.
Yeah, exactly.

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Demo down below.
But the way you're clever,

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you're not into this.
So but what, what that guidance

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might end up doing is actually
saying, Oh yeah, a little nod to

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it, yet all too much screen time
is bad.

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But and then really from a top
down policy makers perspective,

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just say, but you do just need
to stop putting it all in the

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same category though, because
this is actually good.

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Government is saying this is OK,
this is fine.

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Can we please stop panicking
about it?

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And yeah, this stuff that we all
think is bad is is, funnily

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enough, bad for kids.
Strangely enough, yes, it's

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unsupervised, isn't it?
At the hands of the tech giants,

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yeah.
Your attention because I think

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people worried that this
guidance is going to come out

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and just be like pandering to
parents and carers who think

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this and say Oh yeah, screen
times terrible.

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We're going to start banning
screens in schools now.

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I think people worrying, it's
going to be that, like, I'd be

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very surprised.
It's not, it's not if that's

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what it was.
And also this is the thing,

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there's no nuances.
This is what I mean about.

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It's a tightrope because I get
what you're saying, right?

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It could be, it could be a
blessing in disguise where it

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brings everyone together like
it's lovely and roses.

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What will what will actually
happen is both sides will think

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it doesn't go far enough for
their side and both sides will

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hate it.
It's like the guidance that was

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released about earlier screen
time, right?

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You had some people who said it,
it should completely say no

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screen time ever for children.
That's ridiculous, isn't awful.

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And it said actually it compared
between 5 hours a day and 45

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minutes a day, even 45 minutes a
day is awful and they weren't

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happy right.
Then the other side, you had

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children of parents of special
educational needs, children who

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say that the screen time is is a
real device they can use to help

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their children actually get
through the day.

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And they were annoyed because
they were saying you're not

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thinking about SEND children in
this.

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And I just look at them,
everyone in this situation, I

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just go it's a guidance
document.

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Do you know what guidance is?
Guidance isn't every single

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person in the world to follow
this all of the time.

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This is just some advice.
What do you want the government

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to do in this situation?
Because if they wholly side with

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you, they're going to alienate
99% of people.

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This isn't for an individual,
this is guidance.

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It's best practise for most
children.

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It's not hitting everything at
once.

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And I just worry that as we
extend this up, anyone who isn't

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on the exact one percentile of
what the guidance says will

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think it's too far the other
way.

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I'm not quite right and it will
end up making more people angry

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than actually making them feel
better about it.

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And I just think that's what I
mean when I say it's a

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tightrope.
And I think what the government

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has to do and what I would love
to see more of from politicians

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in general is have an ideology
that's backed up in evidence and

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research and mean something and
go with it.

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And then spend their time trying
to argue and convince people why

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that's the right thing to do
rather than trying to pander to

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everyone and make everyone feel
happy.

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You will never succeed at that.
So why don't you just go for

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something you actually believe
in and try and convince people

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of it?
You got voted in for a reason.

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Just go forward and do it and
explain why it's a force for

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good.
And you know what?

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If it doesn't work in the long
run, you'll be out of office

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next time.
Yeah, definitely, definitely.

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I like your point about
guidance.

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Can't please everyone.
It's true because it has to be

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for the average person, like,
like there's always.

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Even that sounds bad.
You mean although people listen

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to you, right?
Very quickly because you didn't

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mean it in a bad way.
But even you saying the average

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person made me think of, oh, am
I not an average person?

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Oh, my God.
Yeah.

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No, I mean that, you know,
automatically.

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Yeah, No, I know what you mean.
But there'll be people listening

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about as my child, not an
average child, just because.

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They've got this.
Yeah, it's not.

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What, you mean it's just, yeah,
I don't know how to explain it a

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different way.
The graph I'm thinking of in my

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head in terms of like, everyone
is in this graph somewhere and

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there's always outliers in every
graph ever.

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Yeah.
Ever.

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Yeah.
Like when you've got X&Y this

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way, there is going to be
someone, yeah, who's right up

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here.
And there's gonna be someone

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who's right down here.
And they are outliers to where

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the general bulk of people are.
And guidance generally comes in

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to say, OK, we've got the big
bulk of people here.

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Yeah, this is generally
guidance, but we're aware that

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this might not be suitable for
every single individual.

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And the fact that people don't
understand that I'm like, I

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don't, yeah, you can't win.
There is no win because you

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can't please every single
person.

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So let's talk that that was
Bridget Phillipson.

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So she did, Yeah.
Really interesting chat, very AI

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focused.
Very tech focused, very

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interesting in your opinion on
the whole.

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Then you finish that chat, you
know the government starts and

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stuff.
How would you rate it?

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What do you feel about is it?
Is it a solid position?

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Do you agree with it in general?
What?

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What's your feeling?
Overall, quite positive.

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To be honest with you.
I, I didn't really feel

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negative.
I, I, I felt like all the things

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she was saying, it was a fairly
strong position of I think she

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could have pandered more to Oh
yeah, no, tech is bad in schools

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because of screen time.
She didn't do that at all.

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I felt like she was very much
saying, no, actually tech is

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really good and we're actually
we're going to push more.

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I think you know, there was and
you find the right thing

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allocated.
Yeah, absolutely.

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I think it is the right thing
because like you said, we live

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in a tech heavy world.
It's only going to get more

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techie.
I don't know what world people

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are living in where they think
that we're suddenly going to

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regress back in terms of tech
and how much is in our lives.

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It's not happening.
It's just not happening.

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And we can use it to for so much
good, so much good, not just in

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education across, you know, the
world.

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You see, you see loads of good
uses of AI and tech in, in the

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world of medicine and, you know,
and in education, obviously it

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can be used for good as well.
Like, I don't know, I don't know

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how it's so black and white to
me.

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So of course it was a good move.
There's so much in my life as an

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adult that tech has made better
that I would hate it to have a

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lobby group in that certain area
go no, no, it's too much.

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Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Well.

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Oh, actually, that's made me
have my screening more accurate

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now for my health, actually.
Exactly.

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So that sounds quite good.
Yeah, I get it.

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With children, we want to
protect children.

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That's that's our number one aim
as educators.

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We always say if you were to ask
me my role as a teacher, my

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number one thing was always
safety of children.

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So I, I please don't think I'm
not taking that seriously, but I

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just think that you, you, that's
why I think you.

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Can do it, Yeah, yeah.
That's why I think it's like,

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without sounding common control
tech, it's not actually that

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hard to ensure the tech is safe.
Like in in all seriousness, is

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doing 10 minutes of your
practise on a maths app in

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school with your teachers like
actually watching over you and

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monitoring it and setting it for
you and then when you finish

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they give you some intervention.
Are you are you?

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Do you?
Do you really going to try and

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convince me?
That that's bad.

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Yeah, yeah, genuinely.
Or that or that it's no better

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than having a a sheet in front
of them like and it's so easy to

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say what number one, the two
things to me, everything now of

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tech, especially now we're
building a mass platform, right.

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Is does it save the teacher
time?

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That's what it's like a separate
thing that's just great.

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Anyway, does it save the teacher
time?

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Yes.
Cool.

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They get instant live gap
analysis, for example, with like

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with Mapsu or instant generation
of multiple questions.

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I don't know.
Or the ability to see an

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intervention group.
I'm not trying, I promise.

452
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,440
I'm turning to a sales pitch,
but it is.

453
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,520
It is.
Doing all the things that the

454
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,600
tech should be good for.
And then what, you're I'm going

455
00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,680
to tear you up here because a
lot of people say that's great,

456
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:52,800
but it's at the expense of the
kids.

457
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,720
Yeah, and it's not because if it
can save the teachers time and

458
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,080
it's also literally better for
the kids because it's more, it's

459
00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,400
more personalised, it's more
adaptive.

460
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,120
It can do things that one person
with a with pen and paper just

461
00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:04,920
can't do quick enough.
You might be able to do it if

462
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,600
you have three hours, but you
don't have three hours.

463
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,120
You're in the middle of a
lesson, like if it's better for

464
00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,400
the children and it's better and
faster and gives more deeper

465
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,400
analysis, stuff that you could
never get as a teacher and saves

466
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,680
you time.
It's a no brainer.

467
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,680
So the only barrier at that
point is the kids haven't got

468
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,600
the, the, the equipment.
So that's why full circle

469
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,480
finishing this conversation
about Bridget Phillips and her

470
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,920
and her chat.
That's why to me it's, it's been

471
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,960
out like this stuff's been
around for like 20 years.

472
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,640
Do you know what I mean?
Like iPads, It's not like it's

473
00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,960
brand new and it's like, oh,
we're working on it.

474
00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,640
We're going to start getting
that funding together for this

475
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,560
new tech, for this new equipment
in schools.

476
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,280
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Computers have been around for

477
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,480
like 30 years in schools. iPads
have honestly been around for at

478
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,520
least 15 years in schools.
Like what are we talking about?

479
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,720
Come on.
It's it's been so long now that

480
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,200
there isn't really much excuse.
It's just OK, let's just let's

481
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,200
just get it done.
Yeah, get it done, get it done.

482
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,640
And then from there the kids
will benefit.

483
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,760
Absolutely.
I completely agree.

484
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,080
I'm I'm very excited by it.
I just think that has to come

485
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,560
first.
It just has to second thing then

486
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,360
before we go on to our.
So the main bulk, what we'll do

487
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,040
later is we'll talk from a more,
I suppose, practical point of

488
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,720
view from teaching how useful AI
is for different jobs around,

489
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,920
around the classroom.
What, what, whether it's a good

490
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,360
thing or a bad thing, come on to
that.

491
00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:16,480
But one thing I wanted to talk
about very quickly was what I

492
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,880
found one of the most
captivating talks I've actually

493
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,640
listened to in a long time where
I was really like really on the

494
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,440
edge of my seat listening to
every word they were saying.

495
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,640
And it was Amor Rajam from who
hosts University Challenge.

496
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,000
Yes, an amazing journalist, does
BBC as well.

497
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,360
And he's got a podcast a minute
called Radical where he's going

498
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:37,960
in depth about people who like
being radical in certain things.

499
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,560
That was one about foster carers
recently.

500
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,920
He's got Jonathan Height coming
on who did the anxious

501
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,120
generation talking about
smartphones, etcetera.

502
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:47,480
So I'm really interested and you
can just tell Amor really goes

503
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,760
into depth about the things he's
talking to someone about.

504
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,600
And he's such a powerful
interviewer because he knows it

505
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,560
really well, but understands
that there's an expert over the

506
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,760
way.
And he was talking to Hannah

507
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,840
Fry.
Everyone knows Hannah Fry, Fry

508
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,400
squared.
She's you're a big fan.

509
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,400
Huge.
Fan just going back for a second

510
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,360
just gassing up Hannah Fryer.
She's awesome.

511
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,200
I remember probably around the
same same time we found it,

512
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,600
there was a YouTube channel
called Number File.

513
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,720
Still is number file if you're
into maths.

514
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,920
Which we are.
Did you and you just?

515
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,840
You just like nerding out about
maths things.

516
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,240
It's just cool math stuff.
Number file is a great channel

517
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,560
and Hannah Fry, she think she
still might do to be there but

518
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,560
she there was certainly a period
of time like 78910 years ago

519
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,960
where she did loads of videos
with number file.

520
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,320
And that is originally probably
about 10 years ago how I got

521
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,160
introduced to her and I remember
watching the video thinking

522
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,240
she's awesome.
I want to watch her explain more

523
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,480
stuff.
Also just fun fact, she does not

524
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,680
age.
She does.

525
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,720
I was not age.
I saw her on stage with with

526
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,640
ammo doing this talk and I was
like, you look exactly, exactly

527
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,600
the same, Paul.
Rudd and Hannah Fryer having the

528
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,920
same diet in your samples?
Go.

529
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,680
Seriously, go pull up a pull up
a thumbnail from 10 years ago on

530
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,320
YouTube.
She has not aged at all as

531
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,600
mental.
Whereas you do, I don't.

532
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,040
Actually I don't I will look
like this hopefully until I'm

533
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,160
70.
But the, the, the chat they had

534
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,800
was really interesting.
It was all about AI, it was all

535
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,880
about artificial intelligence.
And it kind of it was, it was

536
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,360
like embedded in education, but
talked about like wider society

537
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:04,840
as well.
And something I found so

538
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,960
interesting and it really got me
thinking was they were talking

539
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,760
about how AI will transform
education, right?

540
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,560
So whether we like it on our AI
is here to stay, what's it going

541
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,640
to do?
And they spoke about how

542
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,920
currently AI, for example,
there's a lot of worry in in

543
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,320
university for students,
etcetera.

544
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,880
Sixth form, how AI is writing
essays for the children.

545
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:26,840
OK.
And it's like, cool, I've got a

546
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,560
shortcut now I can just write an
essay, get it done, get it

547
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,280
graded.
There's my B, Boom, I've got it.

548
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,360
And it really highlighted this,
this issue and this thought

549
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,520
about how what is the point of
learning?

550
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,360
And AI has really put a
microscope on it because for

551
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,560
those children, the point of
learning was to get to the grade

552
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,000
at the end.
And that is something I think is

553
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,240
so problematic in education all
the way through that What's the

554
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,000
point of learning to pass the
test?

555
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,680
What's the point in VA 6 to make
sure the SAT results are good at

556
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,080
the end?
What's the point in secondary

557
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,960
school to get your GCSE for your
qualifications?

558
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,040
I understand in isolation why
those things are important, but

559
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,040
it became the whole reason for
education for a lot of teachers.

560
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,160
I've got to get them through
this test.

561
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,360
I'm just doing it for the test.
Doing it for the test.

562
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,400
AI comes along and makes the end
product something you can just

563
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,880
do in five seconds.
It solves the problem if you

564
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,720
think about it, AI solving that
problem.

565
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,520
I've written an essay for you.
I've saved you 6 hours.

566
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,480
Isn't everyone says AI is 4?
Isn't that fantastic?

567
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,960
And for me, what it's
highlighted is how education

568
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,640
needs a revamp.
Whether we've got AI or not.

569
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960
Education needs to be resented
to the act of learning is the

570
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,680
point of learning.
Why else do we learn if not for

571
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,680
the journey and the struggle and
trying something and getting it

572
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,080
wrong and finding something out
and seeing that it works and

573
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280
spotting patterns?
The act of doing that, much like

574
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,320
problem solving in maths, the
act of doing something you don't

575
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,240
know how to get to the end, but
you're going to try and get

576
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,600
there anyway based on what
you've learned with someone, a

577
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,280
teacher normally alongside you,
prompting you in the right

578
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,880
direction.
That's the point of learning.

579
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,640
And it I found it fascinating
how they spoke about how AI is

580
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,320
taking that away and it almost
doesn't matter anymore.

581
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,840
And I'm interested to your
points about, we talk about AI

582
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,880
in tech and how it's so
important that it should be

583
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,320
implemented in education
correctly.

584
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,520
Do you think that's a problem
and an issue then that it could

585
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920
end up being?
We're not really focusing on

586
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,760
what's important.
Oh, big time, big time.

587
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800
I think I think Hannah, she went
really like meta with this and

588
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,680
she was talking about almost
like the whole world and just I

589
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,480
like even like lifespans and she
was like we and I agree.

590
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,800
We really just need to challenge
the status quo completely of

591
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,040
like how life works now.
She was like, AI is going to be

592
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,160
so disruptive and such a fast
moving tech that we already need

593
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240
to stop looking at life as, Oh
yeah, you go to school, you work

594
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,360
for X amount of years, you get
these grades so that you can get

595
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,880
this job and you work that job
for 40 years so that you can

596
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,720
retire and have a nice bit of
time before you die.

597
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,040
That is what she said.
And and she was like, that's

598
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,520
just not going to be a thing
anymore.

599
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,520
Like we're already seeing the
disruption of people having to

600
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,160
retrain after five years in a
job because, oh, hey, I can do

601
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,000
it now.
It's happened in the short span

602
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,400
of AI going from this little
gimmicky thing to where it is

603
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,360
now of in that time, it's
already eradicated certain jobs

604
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,000
or or at least huge, you know,
chunks of certain jobs, and

605
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,760
that's just fast.
It just fascinates me like it.

606
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,120
It not only does the education,
you know, structure of education

607
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,800
just need to be completely
dismantled all of life.

608
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,400
It's just.
Like.

609
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
We need to start what are we
preparing children for?

610
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,720
But ultimately it's for the
workforce generally.

611
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840
That's what we know people,
society says about education.

612
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,200
Well, the workforce is changing
rapidly, and the workforce is

613
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,640
going to be nothing like it used
to be.

614
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,160
So actually, what are we
preparing kids for?

615
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,240
Yeah.
And it kind of went back to that

616
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840
question of what are we doing?
Yeah, just getting essays done

617
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,800
quicker and getting grades isn't
even useful anyway.

618
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,400
That's the irony of it.
It's like, you know, exactly.

619
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,680
It's not even that useful now.
It's solving a problem that

620
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,400
doesn't need to be a problem.
We've made it a problem.

621
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,800
So here's the beauty of it.
It's solving a problem for the

622
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,640
workforce of yesterday.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

623
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,480
It doesn't even solve a real
problem anymore.

624
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,880
No, it doesn't make sense.
So everything's outdated.

625
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,880
All needs to be restructured and
rethought.

626
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,520
I think is a huge problem.
I don't think is gonna be any

627
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840
quick fixes to this at all.
What I found really interesting

628
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,080
as well on the back of that was
how, you know, it was a big

629
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,160
talk.
That's why I loved it.

630
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000
I think that's why I was
captivated, because it was about

631
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,480
big, big, big things.
And it started with education.

632
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,960
But you very quickly found out
that actually education is life

633
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,360
is everything, right?
And they spoke about how again,

634
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,000
this is backdated view, much
like what you said about go to

635
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040
go to school, get qualification,
get a job, retire.

636
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,880
There's also a backdated view
that you kind of don't have to

637
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,080
keep learning new things.
And this idea of like learnings

638
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,400
for school keeper back then,
it's actually with the advent of

639
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,120
AI.
And she and she was saying, Amor

640
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,960
was saying both of them are
saying how they're more curious

641
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560
and find out more things than
ever because they can use AI to

642
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080
superpower things, to superpower
research to find things out.

643
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,080
And I was like, yes, that's what
we need as well.

644
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,120
We need an entire population
who's thirsty for knowledge,

645
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,360
right?
And unfortunately in school

646
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,240
right now, I don't think we're
feeding that thirst for

647
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,600
knowledge enough.
I think we're feeding a need for

648
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,560
to pass an exam feeling, a need
for to write an essay.

649
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800
AI is going to come along and do
it even quicker and get us even

650
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,360
further from creating a
generation of children who want

651
00:25:58,360 --> 00:25:59,960
to learn for the sake of
learning.

652
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280
And what that will do is in the
short term, cool grades might be

653
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,920
okay for a bit when we're just
marking an essay, but it's going

654
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,440
to be a double whammy because
like you said, the

655
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440
qualifications won't matter
anymore because the jobs won't

656
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320
be there.
But also then when they're

657
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,160
adults, they'll have no
experience in the act of

658
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,640
learning or no desire to want to
find out more because they just

659
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,520
think a bot can do it for them.
And that's where we have to.

660
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,880
We have to teach children at
some point in their journey

661
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,320
through education how to use AI
to not do the work for them

662
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,280
necessarily, but to help them
with their learning and the

663
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,120
journey themselves and make AI
work for them rather than just

664
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,360
exporting all of the output.
Couldn't agree more.

665
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,600
To superpower their critical
thinking skills?

666
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,520
Exactly.
To superpower their enjoyment of

667
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,360
learning a particular subject
that they've just found out.

668
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,160
But how long?
Have we said that it feels like

669
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,440
AI is just putting a microscope
on it?

670
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,920
It's like, oh, AIS come along
and can do the thing we've

671
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,680
always thought is pointless and
stupid even quicker, so kids

672
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,200
have to do less.
It's like, cool.

673
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,720
The the problem remains.
As a teacher, I want to inspire

674
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,440
children, OK?
I want to inspire them to want

675
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,520
to find things out.
My job I always thought of when

676
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,040
I was in front of my class was I
want to trick them into thinking

677
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,480
they're deciding what comes
next.

678
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,720
I want to make them think that
they're on their own journey,

679
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,400
which they do as much as
possible, but I'm curating it.

680
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560
My job as a curator and my job
is to inspire, to make them

681
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
think something.
I want them to think of the next

682
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,600
thing in the progression without
them thinking I've made them do

683
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,120
it.
Yeah, yeah.

684
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,560
Or without you just telling
them, Yeah, because it's

685
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,440
obviously, you know, you're
thinking, you're asking the

686
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,720
questions like, yeah, what would
happen here?

687
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,600
You know exactly what happened.
You're curating a curious mind.

688
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,520
That's what you're doing.
Yeah, that's what you want to

689
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,200
do.
And how boring and droll are the

690
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,600
lessons where you just stand at
the front and just tell them

691
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,160
things?
Yeah, if I wanted to.

692
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,920
There you go.
There's AIAI can do that if we

693
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,360
want to.
We just get it on a voice note

694
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,680
app, read out some facts to the
kids.

695
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,360
Yeah, what's that going to do?
I want to inspire them.

696
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,680
That's why I think there is
still that difference between

697
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,160
the teacher delivering A
curriculum inspiring children

698
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,320
and what AI can currently do
right now.

699
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,440
I think there's still a big, big
disconnect.

700
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,120
We have to focus more on what we
as humans can do, human to

701
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,400
human.
Well, that was a really good

702
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,920
example of maybe a part of the
class and perhaps the AI could

703
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,560
be used for if it's literally
just here are facts and you need

704
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,760
to know them.
And there's no reason why a bot

705
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,680
didn't even have to be AI
couldn't just give you those

706
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,520
facts.
And in the olden days, they'd

707
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,840
call it a book, give a child a
book by themselves and read it

708
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,240
to find out yourselves.
But let's maybe we can go

709
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,320
through a few things then in the
world of education that we think

710
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,960
and rank them as to how how good
we think AI is at doing that

711
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,720
job.
So in other words, how it almost

712
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,240
kind of coincides with how
likely we think then AI is to

713
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040
replace that job, because how
the better it is, the more

714
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,920
likely.
This is good.

715
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,080
It's good.
So we'll give it a square out of

716
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,880
10 and we'll say basically how
useful is AI for this?

717
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'll start you off then you

718
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
can go with this one.
So written lesson plans.

719
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,800
OK.
I think a solid 8A, solid 8

720
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,640
explain.
Because again, there's going to

721
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,240
be context to all of these by
the way, people here, right?

722
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,840
And go what?
Either way, the solid context

723
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,000
here is that AI now, especially
large language models can be

724
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800
trained on documents you upload.
Actually might be uploading

725
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,440
documents from your curriculum.
OK.

726
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Also very important, the prompts
you put into it.

727
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120
What I'm not saying in anything,
I think I'll talk for both of

728
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,480
us.
Now.

729
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,680
I don't think either of us are
just saying press a button and I

730
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,840
hope it comes.
We have to have the

731
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
understanding here that what
we're doing is prompting AI to

732
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,560
do this for us.
So this is only as good as your

733
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,960
prompts at any point.
But if your prompts are good,

734
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,640
especially I'm thinking of
medium to long term planning, If

735
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,080
you want AI to organise your
learning in a structured order

736
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,600
and you're putting up the
curriculum for it, I think it'd

737
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,880
be very good at putting that
into a table for you and mapping

738
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,880
out across the year that kind of
grunt work that you could sit

739
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,480
there and do it on Excel if you
wanted to.

740
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,400
AI can do that in 10 seconds for
you.

741
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,760
I think that's fantastic.
The actual content itself, the

742
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,360
reason why it's not more than an
8 for me is because I think

743
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720
personally, the content will
always come from something else.

744
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,680
Even if I was curating it, I'd
be getting my content from

745
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,040
somewhere else.
I'd be reading through the

746
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,920
content and deciding what to do
AI, I'd be giving it that right.

747
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,440
So it's still, it's still.
Don't just think that I'm hoping

748
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,680
it does the right thing.
And the reason it's not 9 or 10

749
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
is because afterwards I'd be
spending time going through what

750
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,280
it did and editing it.
But I think in general, for

751
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,400
written lesson plans, I think
written lesson plans on the

752
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,840
whole, especially when you're
more experienced, are an

753
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,800
absolute waste of time.
Yeah, yeah.

754
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,240
I was going to say, what about
in the classic situation where

755
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,000
you've already planned your
lesson in terms of what, however

756
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,920
you do that, whether it's a
PowerPoint or in your mind or

757
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,120
it's practical, whatever.
And then the school policy is,

758
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,480
Oh, no, you have to have it
written down on this, on this

759
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,400
planning format.
You've already done the work.

760
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,160
There's nothing to gain for you
in the situation of writing it

761
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,680
down.
It's just for the score in that

762
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,240
situation, it's the 10 out of 10
because I'm like, I don't even

763
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,840
want to do this anyway.
So if someone else and if AI can

764
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,360
just take what I've already done
and and just put it into some

765
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,160
lovely written lesson for
someone else, great.

766
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,080
So here's here's my big worry
for AI.

767
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,800
Not worry, but I can see this
happening already is people

768
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,440
become obsessed with AI and try
to shoehorn AI into every single

769
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,360
part of their teams life.
So let's say you're the head of

770
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,080
a school or a trust and you
think I need to get AI and

771
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,080
everything for productivity?
We must get it in everything.

772
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,960
Sometimes I think it adds steps
that you don't need right?

773
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,640
So whilst okay, sure in your
context there right of your

774
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
written plan, you've already got
your smart notebook or your or

775
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
your PowerPoint for your lesson.
You're ready to teach, you're as

776
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120
ready as you can be, but there's
a your your school go.

777
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,800
No, no, I need a written plan
just put into AI.

778
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,640
It'd be so quick.
It was like, OK, any second I

779
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,120
put into making that is a second
I didn't need to spend yeah, but

780
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
they'll look at how long would
it have taken you if we hadn't

781
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,440
had AI.
It's gone from one hour to 10

782
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,800
minutes.
Isn't that fantastic?

783
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,240
I really need people to
understand here and just be

784
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,080
nuanced and think about stuff
moment to moment because

785
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,080
actually, no, you haven't saved
50 minutes, OK?

786
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,000
You've wasted 10 minutes.
Yeah, definitely.

787
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,600
It's like Amazon Black Friday.
No, you haven't.

788
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,360
You haven't saved £200 on that
Hoover.

789
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120
You don't need OK from 400 to
£200.

790
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,960
You've wasted £200 because you
didn't.

791
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Need it?
Yeah, and you won't get about

792
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,480
anyway.
Exactly.

793
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Just flip it.
Exactly.

794
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Yeah, Yeah.
You've no longer wasted 60

795
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,320
minutes.
You've wasted 10 minutes.

796
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,960
That's the way to do it.
No, you've saved 50.

797
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Exactly.
So thinking outside the box is

798
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,320
important, isn't here.
In general, if just like is the

799
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640
system broke, is is the system
the problem, not can we make the

800
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,000
system quicker?
Exactly right.

801
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360
I'm going to give you, I'm going
to communication with parents.

802
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,080
So letters, newsletters, notes
in general.

803
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,960
Maybe as a teacher you want to
e-mail parents.

804
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,440
Quite probably like a three or
four for me.

805
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Yeah, because I think the, I
think, I think AI can do some of

806
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360
the grunt work in terms of
speeding up your notes perhaps

807
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,400
into a formal letter.
That's quite good.

808
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
There's no reason.
But like, realistically, all of

809
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,920
the content absolutely has to be
created and created by you.

810
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640
You know what I mean?
You're talking to a parent about

811
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,920
their child.
Like every child is unique.

812
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,400
It's a different situation.
It's not like a curriculum

813
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,280
document.
You can't just upload the child

814
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,640
into a into a thing and say this
is like a national curriculum

815
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,600
document is one thing and it's
objective, you know?

816
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,200
GDPR.
Yeah, exactly.

817
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,920
But a child is like a child.
Every child's experience and

818
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,240
life is different.
I can't really.

819
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,640
I just need to talk to the
parent and have a nuanced

820
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,160
conversation.
Like I don't really think AI.

821
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,800
Hold that floor.
Yeah, because I'm going to give

822
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,880
you another one straight away.
Report writing that one.

823
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Why is it different?
I kind of said it already that

824
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240
report writing is.
Nuanced.

825
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Every single child is.
Different, true.

826
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,800
I guess I'm really putting
emphasis on report writing on on

827
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,040
the writing bit.
Communication with parents to me

828
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,920
is like phone calls and like you
said, maybe notes or or chatting

829
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
after school.
Like it's kind of like AI is.

830
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,600
I can't see it replacing much of
that.

831
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920
OK, so you so for communicate,
let's be really clear then

832
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,480
because that's very interesting
for communication with parents.

833
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,160
What you're saying is actually
you should be doing in person

834
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,760
stuff more.
Yeah, realistically and I, I

835
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520
don't think AI should be taking
that away from the experience of

836
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,520
school and the relationship
between parents and.

837
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,040
School.
OK, Very.

838
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,560
Interesting.
Whereas report writing is

839
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,560
traditionally a piece of paper
with writing on it.

840
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,800
And to me, I mean, I've done it
for years, there's, there's just

841
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,280
no benefit to me writing out the
paragraphs myself when I can

842
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920
just put all of my bullet points
that I would already have

843
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,520
written.
So in both situations, AI or not

844
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,840
AI, I'm writing some bullet
points out about a child and the

845
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,320
things I want to get across to
their parent.

846
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Then I'm spending either 1520
minutes curating a lovely

847
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
paragraph that's written really
nicely, or I can spend 5 seconds

848
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160
putting into AI and saying this
is my writing style.

849
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,840
Can you just, can you just put
these notes into a paragraph and

850
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,720
then proofreading it, always
doing little bits of edits, but

851
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,600
the time saved is astronomical.
When I started using AI for

852
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
reports, not only were they just
better because I wasn't getting

853
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,159
the fatigue and starting to just
be like, oh man, I've been

854
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,400
writing reports for 17 hours.
Genuinely because I'm just, I'm

855
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,719
so fatigued that and it's all in
my own time because no one ever

856
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,520
gets bloody report writing time
nearly or never enough that I'm

857
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,440
just copying paragraphs from
previous kids because they're

858
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,040
similar.
I'll just change, tweak a word

859
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,080
or two.
Oh, I'm just using a Bank of

860
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,120
stuff from five years ago, from
10 years ago.

861
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Like like we all pretend that
that was fine.

862
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,800
Maybe it was, but we can't then
also say, oh, AI is terrible.

863
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,639
Actually, AI was making more
unique paragraphs than ever

864
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,800
before.
It was still mimicking my style

865
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,840
and I and it didn't have to copy
and paste anything from any

866
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,600
other child.
I could give it unique notes

867
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,880
every single time about each
child, and all it did was just

868
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,679
formulate those notes into a
paragraph for someone else to

869
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,719
read in a professional manner.
So like the sheer amount of

870
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,440
grunt work that had to go into
report writing for you bumps it

871
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,080
up from your free.
So what would you give out of

872
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,440
10?
For you, I'd probably still give

873
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,560
it like 7 because ultimately,
yeah, it would be a 10 if if the

874
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,120
notes taking wasn't existed,
existing even 7.

875
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Probably a bit generous to be
honest with you.

876
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,760
Because that is, I'm going to
give it five.

877
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
I'm going down because I think
half, half of the importance

878
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,880
there is is just from you, the
teacher, your understanding of

879
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,400
the child, nothing to do with
anybody else.

880
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,120
That bit is so important, even
though it only takes 5% of the

881
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,640
time now.
Yeah, very, very important.

882
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,840
So AI can't cannot replace that
bit, but it can replace the time

883
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,000
saved with writing.
So I'm going to very quickly on

884
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680
this now, whilst we're talking
about this, I'm going to ask

885
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,080
you, would you use AI for this
thing?

886
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,160
It's all to do with this.
OK.

887
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360
OK.
Would you use AI to to when

888
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,160
sending an e-mail to a parent?
Yeah.

889
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Would you use AI when sending
out a letter to a parent?

890
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Yeah.
Would you use AI when writing

891
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,040
reports?
Yep.

892
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,480
Would you use AI when writing a
HCP plan?

893
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Yeah.
Interest.

894
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What made you slow down?

895
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Because I was thinking that's
more sensitive and again, like a

896
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,720
bit more nuanced, but actually
do.

897
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,840
You think it's worth the time
notes or are you really

898
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,080
separating Outlook?
I put the grunt, I put the

899
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,920
actual actually.
Yeah, I think because you have

900
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,680
to put so much, so much careful
consideration of thoughts into

901
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,800
the kind of your note taking
process when writing the HCP in

902
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,920
the 1st place, that kind of
becomes the HCP.

903
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,480
I'd probably avoid.
It so there might actually not

904
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,840
be that much difference there
because it's so it's so from.

905
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,920
You trying to see where maybe
your line is basically like, you

906
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,240
know, like, you know, a letter
out to a letter is just very

907
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,080
generic.
Isn't it down to like a very

908
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,080
specific legal document over the
plan for the HP that we're gonna

909
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,000
implement for?
The child.

910
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's got the Whether I'm

911
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,360
right or wrong, there's got to
be a line somewhere.

912
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,360
In my opinion, I still probably.
I think I would, you know, in

913
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,840
what, in what respect there
purely if there was just some

914
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,280
crazy format I had to fill out
and I was like, I've done all

915
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,960
the work and I just wanted to
turn into that format.

916
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,400
I'd absolutely use that.
And just be really clear.

917
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,040
I want to put a disclaimer in
here because I know me and you

918
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,400
know this and this is like deep
within our brains, we would do

919
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,320
not advocate and would never
actually put children's names

920
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,560
and we would not breach GDPR by
putting children's names and

921
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,840
data into things like ChatGPT.
You can use blanks.

922
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,120
You can get it to structure
sentences without using

923
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,240
children's names, and you
shouldn't do it.

924
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,960
We should say that because it is
very, very, very, very, very,

925
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,080
very important.
Like there are people out there

926
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,840
who are lovely and don't mean
any harm whatsoever, who won't

927
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,320
even think about it.
They're not being malicious, but

928
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,080
it's bad and you should not do
that.

929
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,440
So if you're doing your reports,
don't put just put literally

930
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,880
like a string of letters or a or
something in when you're putting

931
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,600
it into the thing, you still
give the description, the bullet

932
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,160
points and then just manually
replace put the child's name in

933
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,480
your.
So that's how that's how to do

934
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,560
it.
Just to be really clear, in case

935
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,440
someone's.
Also that means, by the way, it

936
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,800
means that I built in my editing
and reviewing whilst I was

937
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,720
putting name in.
Yeah.

938
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,200
And I did one of the.
I was like, oh, it's an extra

939
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,600
thing.
Not really because I read it.

940
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,640
I always read them, Yeah.
And any time it said name, I'd

941
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,200
write their name in, then I'd
keep reading it.

942
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,000
And it may be something else.
I don't quite like that word.

943
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,120
I think it's not quite right.
I added that, put the name in,

944
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,120
put the name in it.
It worked quite well.

945
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Yeah, it was absolutely fine.
It really was still a huge time,

946
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,840
save for unique reports.
I'm going to give you 1 now.

947
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,120
So going back to the context of
rating out of 10, how useful AI

948
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,080
is for something in the
classroom, lesson hooks.

949
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,480
So that bit at the start of the
lesson.

950
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,800
Yeah, I think this is where it
can come into its own depending

951
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,680
on what you're doing.
Like it can be 10 out of 10.

952
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,240
Genuinely, I've, I've not for
every lesson ever, but you might

953
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,600
decide actually, do you know
what?

954
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600
I, we did some writing once
before we were doing some

955
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,680
character description.
Tell me the hardest thing to get

956
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,200
kids to believe is real when
they're doing writing, is that

957
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,560
it?
There's a real purpose behind

958
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,640
it, right?
How much better is children's

959
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,880
writing when there's purpose?
That's why, you know, when

960
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,760
you're writing a letter, you try
and write that to someone

961
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,480
important.
You say I'm going to send it to

962
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,040
David Attenborough, I'm going to
send it to the Prime Minister,

963
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,160
I'm going to send it to Father
Christmas, whatever it might be.

964
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640
So purpose is massive in writing
because you get children engaged

965
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,480
and want to do it.
So we were doing some writing

966
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,440
before we did some character
descriptions quite draw quite

967
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,240
boring, genuinely, like unless
they've got a really vivid

968
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,040
imagination that some children
don't have.

969
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,320
So AII remember at the front of
the room we were doing some

970
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,200
shared writing together.
We were talking about how to use

971
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,760
different descriptive words,
etcetera.

972
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,840
What can make the, the, the
monster thing they're doing,

973
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,200
monsters or aliens or something,
really stand out?

974
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,840
And I then put that into image
generation and it made the image

975
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,320
and they saw it and they
immediately then could link

976
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,720
between the words they had
chosen and what it looks like.

977
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,240
And then after that, we went
back, we identified all the

978
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,720
adjectives in the sentence, for
example, and we said, OK, that

979
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,520
that alien, it's, it's too big.
It's too big.

980
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,360
Did we describe?
Oh, you said it's enormous.

981
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,840
Rub it out, changed it went to
something else.

982
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,760
It's green.
I don't think Green's that good.

983
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,720
I think in the in that
environment, I think it'd be

984
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,800
better to be like purpley or
something, whatever it might be.

985
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,400
Go through, scrub out the
adjectives and swap them.

986
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,280
Whatever reason to maybe change
the theme or to change the feel

987
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,760
of the monster to make it from a
cuddly monster to a scary

988
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,600
monster.
So the kids were having purpose

989
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,000
because they knew it was about
to be regenerated and we were

990
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,760
talking about the power of words
in writing.

991
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,240
It became tangible for them.
That hook was 10 out of 10 for

992
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,120
my kids because suddenly they
were thinking every word they

993
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,240
wrote in their paper.
They were thinking right when

994
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,480
Mr. Price generates this image,
I said to them, going to

995
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,960
generate all your animals When
Mr. Price generates this, is

996
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,160
that the right word to use?
Or actually, I really want it to

997
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,680
look like this.
What's a better word?

998
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Let's get the thesaurus.
Let's look it up.

999
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,080
There was so much purpose.
Their writing was so much

1000
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,960
better.
It was meaningful.

1001
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,080
And we said every word that goes
in your page will be learned and

1002
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,520
be shown.
And it was 10 out of 10.

1003
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,240
That hook worked so well.
And that was using AI.

1004
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,600
That's it.
Do you reckon you're skewed

1005
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,480
slightly towards English in
terms of like where hooks are

1006
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,320
really good?
Yeah, because it depends.

1007
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,120
It depends because writing, I've
also before asked it like what

1008
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,960
AI can do is give you lots of
ideas.

1009
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Yeah, true, lots of ideas.
So for example, what I always

1010
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,320
say is never ask it for a hook,
never ask it for an idea.

1011
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,640
You might say, right, I'm doing
a lesson this afternoon on, you

1012
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600
know, encampments or something,
or Roman history or, or how, you

1013
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
know, the Anglo Saxons came over
to Britain, etcetera.

1014
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,400
I made you didn't say Rivers,
but yeah.

1015
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,240
Rivers.
Rivers are.

1016
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,080
I'm really trying to avoid
saying rivers usually.

1017
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Really.
I'm doing a lesson on rivers.

1018
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,400
How can I hook the children to
get them interested in this

1019
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,160
story?
So you can say to them like, but

1020
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
you can say give me 10 ideas.
Yeah, definitely.

1021
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,120
And it'll generate 10/7 will be
nonsense.

1022
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,240
Yeah, 2 will be all right, and 1
might be really good.

1023
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's just about ideas and it

1024
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,600
can give you ideas.
And I found again, I'll say this

1025
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,800
again, AI for a lot of people is
stifling creativity.

1026
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,440
For me, I became more creative
because it gave me more ideas.

1027
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,520
I did stuff at the start of
lessons that I would not have

1028
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,040
done before.
I always thought to myself,

1029
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,880
what's a really good hook?
And Oh my God, I just scoffed my

1030
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,160
lunch down.
I'm on duty for a bit.

1031
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,040
I've got a lesson this
afternoon.

1032
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,800
I can't think for two seconds.
Why don't you try starting off

1033
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,520
by doing this?
Yes, we're going to start off

1034
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,440
with a little story.
Wouldn't people argue that is

1035
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,240
stifling your creativity though
because you didn't do it?

1036
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,080
No, it's not stifling by
creative because the option is

1037
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,960
I'm not creative at all or I'm
choosing, I'm making my lesson

1038
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,680
more creative.
So that's what that's what I

1039
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
mean.
Like I without it, I would not

1040
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
have done anything.
So by definition, I was more

1041
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600
creative.
But if I'm not, I'm not this.

1042
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,320
I'm a teacher.
I'm there to give children, you

1043
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,000
know, option opportunities in a
lesson to be more hooked and

1044
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,720
engaged by something.
It's a more creative lesson.

1045
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,480
Am I personally going through
the creative process of sat down

1046
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,880
thinking about, no, I don't have
time to do it, but it's made my

1047
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,520
lesson more creative.
It's made my children more

1048
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,760
engaged.
I'm giving more to the kids as a

1049
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,880
result, just because I've used
this as a tool.

1050
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
I think for hooks, by all means,
use your own hooks that you've

1051
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,800
used in your whole career.
There are some lessons.

1052
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,400
I know what I'm gonna do all the
time when I'm doing instructions

1053
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,200
for the first time.
We make a sandwich.

1054
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Yeah, yeah, of course.
And we go, the kids say, put the

1055
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,440
bread on top, I'll put on top of
my head.

1056
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,920
You're not being specific
enough.

1057
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,360
All that kind of stuff.
This stuff I will always do, but

1058
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,600
for lessons where you want
something just whack it into AI.

1059
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,640
The Egyptian lesson years ago
and we used to introduce

1060
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,480
Egyptians and we'd get we'd get
the toilet paper out, dress up

1061
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,720
as mummy, they'd get the sand
out and they'd dig for treasure

1062
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,960
just to get them hooked into the
idea of.

1063
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Dig for treasure, that classic
historical language.

1064
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,960
Dig for treasure.
Kids dress up as mummy.

1065
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,720
Dress up as archaeologists.
No one's taking primary learning

1066
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,560
seriously.
But it was hook, you know, and

1067
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,520
the thought of like replacing
that with that was the best hook

1068
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,120
for that.
Yeah.

1069
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,160
I mean, that that didn't need
AI, but you're absolutely right.

1070
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,360
You know what AI might have been
instrumental in thinking of that

1071
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,960
hook in the 1st place.
Do you know from that meta level

1072
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,800
like, yeah, exactly.
As well as actually being used

1073
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,880
like in your English example?
I want to do another one with

1074
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,320
you because it's kind of linked.
I think it's close enough.

1075
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,640
Anyway, that was lesson hooks.
What about in the main part of

1076
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
the lesson, like the actual
worksheet?

1077
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,440
Oh, this really depends.
It can genuinely be 0 out, then

1078
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,360
it can genuinely be absolute
trash nonsense.

1079
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,640
It can be quite useful, right?
So let me be really specific

1080
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,680
here, give you some examples.
When I've taught GPS objectives

1081
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,760
in the past and I've wanted ten
questions to fill a gap with a

1082
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,240
preposition or something, or
choosing between as sorry and

1083
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,400
and a right or choosing A
determiner to go in the gap or

1084
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,480
anything like that kind of
nonsense that I hate anyway.

1085
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,080
I don't want to spend 10 minutes
putting a sheet together for

1086
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,240
that.
So AI was very good at

1087
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,240
generating 10/15/20 sentences
with the preposition missing and

1088
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,160
maybe even in brackets 3 to
choose from that kind of

1089
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,000
generation of worksheets.
Fantastic.

1090
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,000
AI generated loads of times
table practise for me.

1091
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,080
And I said only do three and two
times table mix up the

1092
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,600
presentation.
It could handle that.

1093
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Yeah, yeah, right.
So in terms of that kind of

1094
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,880
rote, repetitive fill in the box
text level stuff.

1095
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Closed procedure.
Exactly.

1096
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:13,880
Closed procedure, that's the
word.

1097
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,240
I found it was very good at
that, especially if you give it

1098
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,440
the right prompts and told it
what to do outside of that when

1099
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,920
it gets a bit further.
I don't know.

1100
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,440
We've played around with
different things, haven't we?

1101
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,120
And I'm not going to sit and
name all companies etcetera, but

1102
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,040
but it can be hit and miss,
right?

1103
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,280
Yeah.
I think if we sort of band it

1104
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
together then with maybe lesson
generation general, like slide

1105
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,960
generation.
So like your work, basically the

1106
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,080
content that you might put in on
a sheet for the kids to work

1107
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,120
through, all the content that
might be on your slides when

1108
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,320
you're going through.
But very quick, I think that's,

1109
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,920
I think that's, I think it's
completely separate in terms of

1110
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,360
even the worksheets.
Yeah, like I think even that

1111
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,680
even those alone is such a wide
range.

1112
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,360
Oh, fair enough.
Yeah, yeah.

1113
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,680
But in terms of the no, because
you're basically saying no

1114
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,120
worksheet's fine.
It's not like half the time like

1115
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,840
if you, if you want a registered
worksheet, like for example,

1116
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,680
even in a maths objective, you
know when you create maths

1117
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,040
questions where in a row there's
a reason why you put them in a

1118
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,240
row.
Like you know, 7 * 870 * 871 *

1119
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,360
871 * 9 and and all that, you
know, individual, you could sit

1120
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,240
and work them out, but every
single jump there's a reason why

1121
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,760
you've jumped it and there's
reasoning built in.

1122
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,080
I find it really struggles of
anything like that.

1123
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,680
And if you want a real quality
task for your children, I think

1124
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
it's better to create it
yourself sometimes, or get it

1125
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
from a real trusted source where
a specialist has done that.

1126
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,560
That's all I'll say about that,
but please crack.

1127
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,800
On no, no, I was sort of
bandaged together because I

1128
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,120
also, I agree by the way, like
with worksheet generation, go

1129
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,120
back to that for a second.
Even things like I think about

1130
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,600
some of those sort of rich
afternoon lessons we do

1131
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,400
sometimes maybe in science or or
history or something where it's

1132
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,240
not actually in that lesson,
just about like question,

1133
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,080
answer, question, answer,
knowledge, knowledge, knowledge.

1134
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Sometimes it's like a we're
going to go out and we're going

1135
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,800
to stick some leaves in and
we're going to come back and we

1136
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,440
analyse them and we're going to
label them as stuff.

1137
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,880
I felt like AI would was rubbish
at doing that.

1138
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,560
It was rubbish at create that
thinking of that idea and making

1139
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,280
a worksheet for me because I
definitely tried it lots of

1140
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,080
times and it was always very,
very, very boring stuff.

1141
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,040
So like, yeah, I agree, sort of
three out of 10 is not not the

1142
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,280
best at doing that.
Then with slide generation, this

1143
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,720
one is fascinating because I
feel like it's the it's the

1144
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,200
thing people are trying to crack
at the moment.

1145
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,000
And maybe it has been cracked,
but I'm sort of yet to see it in

1146
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
all honesty, that there's lots
of bits of software out there

1147
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,880
that say, oh, just put in some
prompts and or tell it what your

1148
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,720
curriculum is and it will make a
whole lesson for you at the

1149
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,640
PowerPoint.
And I've tried a few and I'll be

1150
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,160
honest, I would not use them in
my class.

1151
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,120
I would not use them.
Like even you could argue or

1152
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,560
maybe it just gives you a
starting point, a base, a base

1153
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,760
point to sort of adapt from.
Even though it was, it was, I

1154
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,400
was clutching at straws to be
honest with you.

1155
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,000
I was thinking, I have to edit
this so much that I might as

1156
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,240
well just start from scratch.
Like this isn't really saved me

1157
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,080
any time.
And if I was to use it, it's

1158
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,760
very very sub optimal lesson in
terms of the resources being put

1159
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
in front of kids.
That's just my opinion, I'm sure

1160
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,640
people disagree.
A lot of people are enjoying

1161
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,480
using these resources because
I'm sure it does save them time,

1162
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,640
but at what cost?
So this is I would say we can

1163
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,440
probably round off in terms of
the talk here, because I think

1164
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,560
this is the perfect example of
how saving teachers time and

1165
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,320
school staff time is genuinely
at the forefront of everything

1166
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,320
that we should be using with
tech, right?

1167
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,240
But it needs to be on a level
with it being quality for the

1168
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,440
for the for the students, right?
For the children.

1169
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,880
It has to be equal.
It has to be because I feel like

1170
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,880
a lot of the shortcuts currently
for creating worksheets or

1171
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,640
creating slides.
I'm not saying it won't happen

1172
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,200
in the future.
I think we could get to a point

1173
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,680
where it is very useful, but
currently it's at the detriment

1174
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,120
of the quality of what's being
produced because AI can produce

1175
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,720
slop.
We know that it's still at this

1176
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,240
stage getting better, but we
know it can produce rubbish.

1177
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,680
So when you look at these, I, I
look at it, sometimes I think

1178
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040
that would not wash in my school
if, if I made, if I made that

1179
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,680
slide, I said, here's the lesson
guys, for everyone.

1180
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,040
That would not pass as a good
enough lesson.

1181
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,320
Not only sometimes in the
generation of lessons that we

1182
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,080
practise, we, we looked at and
tried, not only sometimes were

1183
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,160
the facts just wrong, which was
a whole different conversation

1184
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,680
about how it's scraping the
Internet.

1185
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,600
Sometimes the facts were
literally wrong.

1186
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,480
And as a teacher who's not a
specialist in geography and

1187
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,200
rivers, it could have it could
have scraped something off.

1188
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,760
That sounds right.
What I'm gonna do research

1189
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,160
everything.
I might have just did a research

1190
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,240
myself.
Literally just picture that was

1191
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,440
wrong as well.
It was it was a historical

1192
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,680
person.
It was really important that

1193
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
this picture was accurate.
Just pulled up like a picture of

1194
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,160
different people and I was like,
oh, this is terrible.

1195
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,200
This is.
Not good.

1196
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,440
It's like it should have been
Winston Churchill, but it was

1197
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,840
bloody, you know?
Margaret Thatcher.

1198
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Yeah, it's something.
I don't think Margaret Thatcher

1199
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,720
was involved in World War 2.
Yeah, or it was someone that

1200
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:39,600
just looked a bit like Winston
Churchill, and it's like this.

1201
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,320
Oh, like he's clearly scoured
Internet and thought this was

1202
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,320
this.
But it's not like this is not

1203
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,680
good.
And it's not going to pass

1204
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,680
schools.
Everyone who works in this

1205
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,040
school, we talk about it so much
how schools are obsessed with

1206
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920
uniformity as well sometimes and
slides having to look the same

1207
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,200
and following the same
structure.

1208
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,080
There's no structure.
There was no structure to those

1209
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,400
lessons.
It was just like a story.

1210
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,960
And it's like, cool if we've got
absolutely no standards in what

1211
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,760
lessons look like, maybe that's.
Just so I think it'll get there.

1212
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,880
In all honesty, with the great
AI changing, I do think we'll

1213
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,360
get there.
It's just that right now I'd say

1214
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,640
it's not the best at doing that
job and it still needs a

1215
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,880
teacher's touch.
Let's get to the big one,

1216
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,000
because I really want to ask you
this one.

1217
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,000
Teaching out of 10, AI replacing
teaching.

1218
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,480
Right.
Right now as the hold as me as a

1219
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,320
teacher in the classroom one. 1,
not 0 but.

1220
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,880
One, no, no, not 0, because you
just have to be honest that

1221
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,600
there are things that AI is
better than me at.

1222
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,320
Yeah, of course there is.
Hannah Frye said anything that

1223
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,200
can be done sat at a computer
will be replaced by AI.

1224
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,880
Yeah, it is some element of a
teacher's job sat behind a

1225
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,960
computer.
We wouldn't have a bloody

1226
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,440
podcast at all.
How often we talked about how

1227
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,400
we're not in this repetitive
point in the class.

1228
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,880
So let's take that away.
Yeah, brilliant.

1229
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,760
That's maybe it's a 2.
But the teaching bit, you are

1230
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,120
standing in front of kids and
you are delivering content to

1231
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,080
them and you are teaching and
you are adapting on the spot and

1232
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,680
you're doing all eight of the
teachers standards.

1233
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,960
That bit of teaching, pastoral
right now.

1234
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Pastoral, OK, all of it.
Yeah, right now is 1 out of 10,

1235
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:05,920
isn't it?
Yeah.

1236
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,240
What do you think about the
future?

1237
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,320
Because this is where I think we
have had lots of little

1238
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,040
discussion about.
Let's air this out now.

1239
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,960
All right, all right.
Where do you think we're going?

1240
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,880
It is to me, and this is not me
saying this is good to me,

1241
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:26,160
inevitable, that the job of a
teacher will be replaced by

1242
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,240
artificial intelligence at some
point in the future.

1243
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,720
Are we talking robots or AI
actually doing the entire job,

1244
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,080
teaching the kids, the pastoral
care, all of it.

1245
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,240
Listen, I I don't like this
prediction.

1246
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,120
I don't think this prediction is
good.

1247
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,000
That's fine.
But I do think there will be a

1248
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,920
point where it will be a choice
by governments or whoever is in

1249
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,280
charge to spend more money to
get a real life human in front

1250
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,360
of the staff.
And it'll only be as long as the

1251
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,280
resolve is there for humans to
have humans with other humans,

1252
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,280
that that will happen.
I think it will get to a point

1253
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,640
where artificial intelligence is
better at everything that we can

1254
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,280
possibly do.
It's it's literally better at

1255
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,280
building in the same way.
Do you know, different people

1256
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,560
have different strengths, Right?
Yeah.

1257
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,080
And if you lined up 100 people,
you could line them up in the

1258
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,720
order of how emotionally
intelligent they are and how

1259
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,880
empathetic they are and how how
kind they are and how tall they

1260
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,040
are and how angry they get.
And it'll be all different

1261
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,280
orders.
There will come a point where

1262
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,400
artificial intelligence will be
at the top 1% of every single

1263
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,600
one of them, right?
In the same way me and you are

1264
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,760
different.
Artificial intelligence will

1265
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,360
learn what makes us different
and better and worse and be

1266
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,360
better at everything than
humans.

1267
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,240
That will happen.
The intelligence will get to

1268
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,880
such a high level, it will
skyrocket up where it gets to

1269
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,200
the point where it knows
everything and can do everything

1270
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,640
better and always people.
You'll never replace a human's

1271
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,880
heart and a human's touch.
I was like, yeah, well, do you

1272
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,000
know what?
There's, I can think of a few

1273
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,400
human emotions and intelligences
that I have that I think you

1274
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,840
could learn to be better at than
me.

1275
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm just saying I don't like

1276
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,320
this fact and I don't think it's
necessarily a good thing, but I

1277
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,560
just think that humans are a
bunch of chemicals, chemical

1278
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,240
reactions, neurons are true
there.

1279
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,200
There will be a point where we
can replicate that in a robot,

1280
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:18,520
an artificial.
Empathy for you.

1281
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,520
You never learned that one
that's that's low and that's

1282
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,240
easy.
AI does that now better than

1283
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,800
you.
Literally, that's my point.

1284
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,280
And so I think it will replace
it.

1285
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,840
And I think it's going to come
down to a cost evaluation.

1286
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,240
And eventually there'll be so
much pressure that they'll drop

1287
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,440
you like, look, why, why can we
sit here and say, and in the

1288
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,640
chat people said all the white
collar jobs are going to go, you

1289
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:39,760
know, all all the different
jobs.

1290
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,040
They're like, you know, lawyers.
They'll be, they'll be AI bought

1291
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,440
another law inside out and
within 3 seconds can work over

1292
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,880
something's right or wrong.
Can take about look at all of

1293
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,160
the log of every single
conviction ever.

1294
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Get rid of any kind of bias and
just judge someone immediately,

1295
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,240
right.
Better than a group of 12 random

1296
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,600
people from the whole country
can.

1297
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,520
What we are, of course it's
better, but it's only going to

1298
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,680
be the resolve of the humans in
the system to say, no, we need

1299
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,560
that human connection.
They need to think of a really

1300
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,040
good argument why we do it
because eventually it will just

1301
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,680
be, well, we're doing it just
'cause that's why.

1302
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,160
And I think there'll come a
point where it's like they're

1303
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,280
just better off you go.
And I think I will take over the

1304
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,520
world.
God, that's mad, isn't it?

1305
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,840
I, I got a couple of things to
say because I think your, your

1306
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,920
argument is very compelling,
especially when there's infinite

1307
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,440
time involved.
I mean, I'm sort of like, OK,

1308
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,200
maybe in 3000 years that is.
Definitely, I think sooner, but.

1309
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,280
For you think, yeah, for sure.
I think our, our understanding

1310
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,720
of our differences mostly late
in time, but even with the

1311
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,000
government, I, you know, I
always see things on the online

1312
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,920
of being like, oh, this country
is now going to use an AI member

1313
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,600
of cabinet and stuff like this.
And I'm like it.

1314
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,600
It does make sense, probably
long term to for for things like

1315
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,520
governing bodies to be a bit
more objective and, you know,

1316
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,640
less likely to be corrupted if
possible.

1317
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,440
Let's So let's hire in the Mark
Zuckerberg and Sam Altman

1318
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,680
company.
I'm not really sure.

1319
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Yeah, don't get me wrong.
I think it's, I don't mean it's

1320
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,240
going to get rid of right.
I think it's going to hyper

1321
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:58,440
concentrate it to a very few
very, very rich people and

1322
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,000
democracy will become a farce.
That's what I think.

1323
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,520
Potentially, but for the same
reason that that that's dumb in

1324
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,200
terms of like the corruption
from a different way.

1325
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,920
I do think the same thing is
probably going to happen in

1326
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,960
teaching in terms of, OK, let's
get in this these two companies

1327
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,800
now that control precisely what
our kids are being taught,

1328
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,080
rather than just, you know, the
pick of all of humanity where

1329
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,960
you get all sorts of teachers
and all sorts of different

1330
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,600
backgrounds and they get and
children get access to all these

1331
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,840
different teachers across their
career in school.

1332
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,720
I think that paired with the
fact that I think the human

1333
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,080
resolve, we need to give it more
credit than then maybe you're

1334
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,480
giving it.
I really really really think

1335
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,720
that even in 100 years when we
have the most unreal AI robots

1336
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,960
that can be the top 1% and
everything, we're still just

1337
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,080
going to want 4 year olds who
don't understand anything about

1338
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,000
the world yet in front of
another flesh person.

1339
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,200
You know, not an AI person.
I think, I think we'll always

1340
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,320
want that.
I want that want is great.

1341
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,960
Something happen.
I, I there are lots of people

1342
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,440
who didn't want self-service
checkouts at Tesco because they

1343
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,680
wanted the human interaction and
going to talk to someone.

1344
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,120
They didn't want one person in
charge of 6 checkouts.

1345
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,200
They wanted one person per
person so they can talk to them.

1346
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Don't matter what you want
because at the end of the day

1347
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,280
it's better for the company,
it's better for money.

1348
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,000
You're going to make money.
We're going to get more people

1349
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,160
through the door.
We're going to get more money

1350
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,360
through the tills if we do it
this way. 1 is a great thing.

1351
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,680
I want it to, yeah.
It's not going to happen.

1352
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,520
Do you know what one situation I
could imagine?

1353
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,240
I think you probably told me
this probably where it's come

1354
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,680
from is firstly bigger class
sizes.

1355
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,880
Yeah, because I think that's,
that's the first easy way to cut

1356
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,960
costs of.
OK, look, all right, we have 50%

1357
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,880
real teachers, but 50% AI
teachers and we can.

1358
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,040
It's happening in America right
now.

1359
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,840
There's a school that does that.
We're talking to Lee, Mr P Bet,

1360
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,880
and he was saying how in America
it has basically like 100 kids

1361
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,040
in a room being taught something
and then they go off to their

1362
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,840
one to one individual AI tutor.
Right.

1363
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,840
It's happening.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah,

1364
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,720
very similar example I was
thinking of imagine like a big

1365
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:44,800
room where it's almost flipped
like the the teacher is the AI

1366
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,200
robot that's basically just sort
of delivering facts.

1367
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,040
It's not really doing the
empathy thing very even if it's

1368
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,160
really good at it, it's not
actually we're not saying it's

1369
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,240
going to provide the human
touch.

1370
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,240
And then the teaching assistants
are basically just some adults

1371
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,960
dotted around who can do that
human to human interaction that

1372
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,160
I don't think we'll ever, ever,
ever not need.

1373
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,120
I don't think we'll ever get to
a point where we don't actually

1374
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,000
want or need that as a society,
no matter the cost.

1375
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,280
But I can't imagine cutting
costs of OK, yeah, but the the

1376
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,400
one at the front delivering the
knowledge is like that that can

1377
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,800
be a robot.
And there's just a few adults

1378
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,120
around, just totally different
roles.

1379
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,320
It's not even teaching
assistants anymore.

1380
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,800
It's just the human to human
connection people.

1381
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,760
I don't actually disagree of
anything you're saying.

1382
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,520
I just, I'm just saying I don't
think that will happen.

1383
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Like like I'm it's almost as if
the two, the two like parts

1384
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,840
we're having here are.
But I think this is important

1385
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,040
and we should still have that
thing.

1386
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,640
And I'm kind of saying, yeah,
but we won't like I don't, I

1387
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,000
don't disagree with you.
I don't disagree with you at

1388
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,880
all.
I just don't think it will

1389
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960
happen.
Is it better to have one to one

1390
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,920
scanners at Tesco so you can
talk to someone as you go for

1391
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:43,800
it?
I've got a problem with this.

1392
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,360
I can talk to you right away.
It's more immediate.

1393
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Is that better for the consumer?
Yes.

1394
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Is it better for the shareholder
of the company new because they

1395
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,440
can make more money doing
something else?

1396
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The big tech giants will be a

1397
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,200
conglomerate.
Everything will go through them.

1398
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,920
They will take over education as
well as everything else they're

1399
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,480
taking over.
And they will cut, cut, cut, cut

1400
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,560
because only be a few of them
left.

1401
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,600
They will take everything.
It won't be a good thing, but it

1402
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,600
will happen.
And that that would give it 30

1403
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,880
years.
Society will look like nothing

1404
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,480
you have ever seen before.
And we're going to have to

1405
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,600
relearn everything, which is
what we started off with.

1406
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,760
The conversation with Hannah
Frye.

1407
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,840
I'm not saying that it's
necessarily a good thing.

1408
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,280
I'm just saying it's a thing.
I mean, yeah, we'll have to

1409
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,360
agree to disagree a little bit.
I don't equally disagree.

1410
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,680
I think that's probably what's
going to happen.

1411
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,720
But I like to think that.
I like to think that human

1412
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,720
resolve will come through a
little bit stronger and we'll no

1413
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,200
matter how good AI is not
replaced, just even if it's just

1414
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,000
a tiny bit plus a tiny bit of
what teachers bring.

1415
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,440
Still, now we've got people
saying never use a screen ever.

1416
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,680
We're like, Oh my.
God, yeah, exactly right, Yeah.

1417
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,800
I.
Wonder how those people are

1418
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,760
going to feel when they when
they realise that kids teachers

1419
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,880
an AI robot with a massive
screen on its head.

1420
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Those screens, you say?
No technology you.

1421
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,240
Know what happened will be
something some other crazy tech

1422
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,280
development will happen in the
next 10 years that will just be

1423
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,280
wildly different again in the
same way AI disrupted

1424
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,600
everything.
And it'll be something we can't

1425
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,400
even comprehend right now.
And it'll be like, no, it was

1426
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,320
never going to be AI robots.
It's going to be this other

1427
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,560
insane, crazy, futuristic thing.
Joe, we should do at some point

1428
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,680
in the next year, release a
podcast episode that is holy AI

1429
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,160
and just see who notices.
See who notices.

1430
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,560
Yeah.
And it'd be crazy, wouldn't it,

1431
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,800
if it was this one.
Bye.

1432
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:28,720
See ya.