Ep 190: Q&A: Teacher Hypocrites, Delaying School Admissions & Independent Writing

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Hello everyone, Welcome back to
another episode of TC Repeat.

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My name is Dylan and my name is
Tatum.

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And if you're back at school
this week, well, we've got a

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question and answer podcast
episode for you on your commute

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to brighten your morning.
And if you're still off, why not

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listen anyway?
Do it and if which you already

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are, yeah.
So thanks.

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Just drive to school anyway so
you can listen to us.

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You couldn't possibly drive
anywhere else when you listen to

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this podcast.
I wonder what people do you know

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when?
Because a lot of people listen

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to us as their routine,
commuting to work.

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That's what the vast majority of
people do, Sure.

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But when you're off on holiday,
obviously I'm wondering what

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people do when they put this
podcast on.

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I don't know, I just can't.
Maybe because it's mine podcast.

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And I just can't imagine, you
know, just going for a walk and

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playing it.
Yeah.

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I don't know, like, clearly some
people do.

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It's quite cool.
Yeah.

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I reckon.
I reckon generally just like

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mindless tasks as well.
I know whenever we're cleaning

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in the house.
Lauren Lawrence, Airpods

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straight in.
Yeah, listening to a podcast,

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hopefully this one.
By the way, anyone who's

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listened to a few episodes
recently, we both have separate

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partners called Lauren.
We.

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We don't have just one Lauren
who both are children.

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It just happens to be.
We do a lot of things in a

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similar way at the same time,
but they are separate humans.

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We promise.
They are both teachers and we

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did meet them both at the same
school, but they are separate.

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Separate Laurens.
Maybe first question, why are

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teachers the biggest hypocrites
in the world?

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Just sit in a staff meeting and
listen to the chatter while

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someone is trying to speak.
PS Love the pod.

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Fair plays that started, I was
like, oh, it's a bit me.

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It's true.
That is a thing, isn't it?

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Do as I say, not as I do,
because I've delivered staff

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meetings and I've been sacked
there when someone else is doing

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staff meetings and felt my
insides boil with rage.

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Because other people are
talking.

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Talk, stop talking.
You spend your whole day saying

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to children how when someone's
talking, it's rude to speak

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whilst they're speaking to you
and then just they're chatting.

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Like again, we, we protect
teachers a lot Hayden, and we

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talk about teachers a lot on
this podcast, but that is just

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rude.
Yeah, it's just rude.

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And all I was going to open this
up to is you quite often on this

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podcast say that there are just
rules that apply to children and

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other rules for adults simply
because they're children and

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we're adults completely.
This is not one of them, right?

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This is just, like, etiquette,
basic courtesy.

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Yeah.
It's not, you know, we, we

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talked about uniform before play
a difference there.

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But like, obviously teachers
still have a certain level.

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If someone's talking to you in
and there's only like, let's

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bear in mind there's only like
12 people in the room.

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We can just hear you talking.
And do you know what the worst

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thing is?
Like if you're just chatting

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away, that's fine.
And then someone's like, OK,

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guys, let's just carry on.
And then we'll go, that's fine.

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Yeah, of course.
But if, if it happens so often

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that someone's giving a talk at
the front and they go like,

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great, OK guys, let's move on.
I want to go into this now.

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And then they just get
completely ignored.

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Yeah, I'm just like, how can you
be so rude anyway?

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But also when you're coming off
a day where you've just spent

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the day explaining to young
children why they must learn to

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be courteous and kind and and
understanding what I'm talking

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to.
Them and listen when the person

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at the front is delivering some
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To them winds me up.
Yeah, do.

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You know what we should do,
like, you know, we talked about

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the National Literary Trust
Scholar.

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We got invited to that.
There was one point there where

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obviously there's a lot of
people in that room.

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I think I'm around 200 people
and the person speaking at on

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the stage at one point, just
like really just quite quite

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confidently.
I respected it.

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I was like, do you know what?
He did not go, oh guys, can we

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stop?
He was just like basically

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saying everyone shut up.
Like he was just straight to the

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point.
And I'll tell you what,

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everyone, shut up.
I'll tell you what though as

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well, if someone, someone might
listen to that and go, well

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don't speak to me like that, I'm
an adult, don't talk whilst he's

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talking.
Then the first thing comes from

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you being rude.
You can't be rude and then be

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like, well don't treat me like a
kid.

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Don't.
Like 1 So in a staff meeting,

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then what other what?
Let's think of like maybe 3 top

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ways that you can combat this.
I think maybe from the

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perspective of the person who's
at the front, like you got, you

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got people speaking, you're
trying to deliver.

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What do we do?
Shut the fuck me, that's one.

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Yeah, that's one.
You got another one. #2

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establish earlier callback.
So I'm going to teach you a

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callback very quickly.
Yeah, I'm going to say shut the

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and then you say OK, OK, ready.
Shut the car and that'll get

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more quiet.
Right, so everyone says that.

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Back.
And the third option is to

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simply just scream in their
face.

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Yeah, like incoherent.
So go up to the, there's a

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couple of people nattering maybe
on that table over there.

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You're the host and you're
trying to move on what you do.

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Just stop what you're doing,
walk up to the table and scream

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as loudly as you can.
Just not an actual the word

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just.
Like the kind of the kind of

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screen where you go red in the
face if it comes out.

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Yeah, yeah.
And then when they inevitably

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listen, you just just wipe your
spittle off your face, wipe it

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off theirs if it's calling them
and you say thank you.

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We're just moving on now.
Courteous.

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Wipe it off them.
Exactly.

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You've got a model being
courteous, haven't you?

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If you spit on someone, make
sure you wipe it off.

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That's just the it's the least
you can do.

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Oh God, winds me up.
Yeah, it is annoying.

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Keeping any other example, I
just feel, I just feel like in

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general, obviously teachers, we
have really high standards for

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the children and we always try
and it's quite hard to not be

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hypocrites.
I mean, there's an easy one that

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we can more sort of jovial in
terms of being hypocrite is

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whenever we teach them honestly
anything about how to live a

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healthy life.
Like let's be honest, like some

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people are extremely healthy and
absolute role models.

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The majority of people are
normal.

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And then you get to our level of
sort of off the scale in terms

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of.
Don't be abandoned me in with.

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This.
Yeah.

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You know, I think you are out
there with me.

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But yeah, didn't you have always
book old for breakfast?

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Yeah, cheers.
We're a healthy snack school.

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Don't go in my cupboard though
because I absolutely do not

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adhere to.
This Sir, can I have Christmas

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at break time?
No, obviously not.

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Well, why can you?
I saw you through the window

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eating A4 bags of shut the.
And that's why you established

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very quickly routines of your
class, yes?

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Oh God, there you go.
Anything anymore?

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No, I don't want to.
I don't want to move on.

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Yeah, go on then, go on.
Next question hi Dylan and

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Hayden paragraph 2.1 set this is
very formal very I like this

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this research has gone into this
I'm.

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Already vexed because you said
and and Hayden as if it was in

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brackets.
As if I'm not part of Hi Dylan

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and Hayden.
Hi, Dylan and Hayden and the

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other?
Oh, he's in there as well.

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Yeah.
Hi, Dylan.

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Hi, Dylan.
Karen is very official.

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And Hayden question paragraph
2.17 of the School Admissions

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Code requires admission
authorities to provide for the

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admission of all children in the
September following their 4th

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birthday.
Most parents are happy for their

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child to start school at this
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Children are not required to
attend school until they reach

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compulsory school age.
Children born from the 1st of

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April up until the 31st of
August, known as the summer born

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children, do not need to start
school until the September after

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their 5th birthday, a year after
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A parent may request their
summer born child is admitted

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out of their normal age group at
this point to reception rather

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than to year one.
I did this for my son who is a

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very late August baby and was
born slightly early before his

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early September due date.
So he started school in

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reception and just turned 5
instead of having just turned 4

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as he would have if it was done
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He has no additional needs but
wasn't ready for school and

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would have been a very young
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He is now year 3 and is
absolutely in the right year

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group for him.
I faced a lot of opposition for

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my decision from other teachers
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Do you have any experience of
summer borns who are out of

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their chronological cohort?
If So, what are your views on

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this?
That is fascinating.

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I until very recently genuinely
did not know this was an option.

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So I was in the middle and I'm
wondering if this is where you

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were maybe so we can explain a
bit.

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I knew that you could delay the
start of school.

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So for example let's say you're
summer born and the the

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government have to provide you
with a September space even if

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it's like 2 days after your
birthday.

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Yep, because it's the September
after you're 4.

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But I knew you could say no, but
I thought then when your child

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joins school they had to join in
year 1.

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At the chronological.
Point at the chronological

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point.
So I, I, I and a mixed

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understanding of this, but it's
very, very interesting actually

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that you can, you don't have to
put them in that.

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You can actually just take that
decision for them to be the

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oldest then in the in the cohort
below.

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Well, in 10 years of teaching,
I've never taught a child who

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fits this description.
No, they've always see their

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ages.
Yeah, you've got their ages.

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And I would have definitely
noticed that, that one point

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that an anomaly like that.
Yeah, I've never thought to

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myself, oh, that person's born
the year before.

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Everyone else?
Me neither.

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So I just presumed it wasn't a
thing, but I've seen it going

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around social media a lot
recently.

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People talked about this.
Yeah, why wouldn't you?

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Yeah, I agree.
Like my cousin was born on

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August 31st and was in, you
know, the correct cohort in

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terms.
Of you correct hate and use your

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language properly, you know what
I'm saying?

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Chronological one?
Yeah, the one we couldn't be

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correct for her to or him to
have been in the one after.

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Absolutely right.
It's a wrong choice of language.

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And I just think if yeah, if I
had a child that close, I mean

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I'd be interested to see what
your cut off is in a minute.

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But like August 31st to me as a
no brainer, I'm like.

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Come on, The cut off is when you
you spent four years with your

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own kid and you understand
whether they're ready for score

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or not.
Sure.

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Yeah, that's the cut off really,
isn't it?

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It's like so this person knew
they weren't ready and it was

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fine.
Exactly that.

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So do you think it's good to
have that leeway then of that,

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you know, those few months
before I said, what was it?

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April, April the 1st up to
August 31st, right.

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Do you think it's a good thing
then that we just give people

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the leeway that if that within
that bracket, they can just

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choose.
They can just choose or my kids

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not ready yet.
I, I, I, I think so, yeah, I

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think so.
Because having a harsh cut off

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point just means you've decided
that those children who are one

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2-3 days before whether they are
ready or not are going into

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school.
So having this like nice kind of

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grace period of a few months
where actually the parent can

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decide based on they know their
child best.

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There may well be, you may well
have a summer.

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I was summer born.
I was born on August the 8th.

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So I was very, very young in my
year group, but I stayed in my

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chronological case.
I went to school when the

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chronological cohort went to
school.

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And I think it would be fair to
say if I asked my mum or I look

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back at my experience, that that
was the right decision for me.

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Yeah.
I was ready for school.

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I, I enjoyed school.
I was, you know, I felt like my,

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my parents felt like I was at
that age.

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You did well.
I did well.

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It's fine.
It was fine for me.

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And I think that was the right
decision.

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And I think holding it back and
me doing reception a year later

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would have just been kicking the
can down the road unnecessarily

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for me personally.
Yeah.

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However, there'd be someone else
born on August the 8th who would

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get to that point.
And absolutely the right

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decision for them would be to
wait a year.

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Yeah.
And I actually think waiting a

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year and then not doing
reception and just doing year

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one is, is actually, it feels to
me as if the worst of the three.

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Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Which is what you thought this

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was before.
Yeah, exactly.

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Which is why I always thought to
myself, like, OK, might not

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quite be ready, but you miss all
of reception.

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Yeah, yeah.
Which is like it seems like a

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really key part of fundamental
that and then you do year 1 and

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you would have done year one
anyway.

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And just having not had a year
of school beforehand, surely

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that's worse, right.
Exactly.

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And that's what I always thought
to myself.

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And it's always down to the
parents, like, you know, they

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mentioned here in this question
about they've had a lot of

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opposition, especially from
other teachers as well.

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Yeah.
And I just think to myself, even

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in that situation, if a parent
had decided that was best for

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their kid, who am I to say
that's right?

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Yeah, it's odd.
The idea of opposition to this

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is strange to me.
I mean, I can't even think of

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like, maybe I'm missing
something.

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What would what is here to
oppose?

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Like, why would you be annoyed
about that?

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Are they going to be slightly
bloody taller?

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More time with their own family
before they go to school and

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have the same like.
As a teacher, it's like, if

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anything, this is.
Good for you and this child

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could have been born.
Two days later, yeah.

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Yeah, two days later.
And they would have just been in

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that gear group they're in
anyway.

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I always love it when, in this
particular situation, when they

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said they're actually due to be
born in September.

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Yeah.
So the fact they were slightly

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premature, I'm like they were
even cooking at the same point

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as the other child that came out
a week that was just born on a

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due date, which was their due
date, like, and there are

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different cohorts now and
they're the same, like they just

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had different time in the womb.
Like this is crazy.

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To me it highlights the
craziness of a really harsh cut

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off point.
So the fact it exists that

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there's this like grey area
where you can make a decision,

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yeah, is obviously the best,
it's the best way to go.

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About it and it's a big window
to be fair from April I presume.

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I actually just presumed because
I didn't know the dates to

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recently when I was learning
about this bit more.

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I just thought, oh, it must have
just been like August or

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something.
But it's quite a big but then

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again, does it?
Is there any way in saying OK

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your child is born at the end of
March?

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Yeah.
No, no, I don't think there is

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because it goes back far enough.
Yeah.

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Where I think it's just at that
point it's fair enough to say

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like you are literally halfway
through that year.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So March is the third month,
September's the 9th month.

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It's just saying like you're in
the first half of this year.

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So you know, even and you could
say a lot for April born

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children, the vast majority will
just be ready.

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Yeah, sure.
It's like the odd one.

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Yeah, it'll tail off, basically.
Yeah.

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Of course it will.
And although there always has to

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be clearly a cut off point, like
you are getting a lot of that in

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there.
And if there's a special

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educational need, which I would
assume that it's more likely to

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be down those down that down
that line as to why a child

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might not be ready if they were
born that early.

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Yeah, it would be more likely to
be because of a special

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education.
That's true.

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Hopefully there'll be something
more things in place for support

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for that child as well.
So it's not about, you know, we

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want anyone to fall through the
gaps here.

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But I feel like this is a a good
policy.

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And if as a parent, this
person's decided to do this,

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that's absolutely the right
thing to do.

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And like you said here, look,
he's now in year 3.

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He's absolutely in the right
year group.

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He would have been in that year
group if the Labour had

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literally gone on for 24 more
hours.

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly right.

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Of course, it doesn't matter
what what?

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What opposition do you have to
that?

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It's a net good.
They've got an extra year of

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their family.
They've got an extra year at

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home.
Like they didn't rush into it.

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Why are they?
Rushing the only opposition I

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think people could have, which
is based on them

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misunderstanding this is that
they, if someone then thinks Oh

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well now I've got to cater for a
wider range of needs because

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that child is a year older and
they're missing the whole

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fundamental point of the only
reason that's happened in the

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1st place is because they
weren't ready to school at that

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age.
So that's the only one I can

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think of when maybe people
misunderstand it and think

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because you don't have to as a
teacher.

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Oh now, now I've got to
differentiate a year above is

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that no, you're missing the
point.

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They are just doing year one
here as if Imagine you didn't

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know the dates of birth.
There you go.

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That's the way to imagine it.
And yeah, just thinking about

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slightly because it's such an
interesting question, thinking

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more about summer born children
in general, having, you know,

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myself been born in the summer
and you're born in the summer to

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be fair as well.
And I did quite well

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academically and I liked school.
I remember growing up thinking

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that, oh, it's just an excuse.
I'm going, how are you?

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Why?
Why do summer kids get more

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like, you know, I'm a summer kid
and I'm fine.

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That classic, that classic, like
my own experience is all I've

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got.
So I'm going to judge everything

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on that, having been a teacher
for 10 years, that you you

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absolutely notice it.
Yeah, it's clear as that.

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It's clear as that and obviously
there are exceptions, right.

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But if you look after a general
trend, yeah, children born in

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September compared to children
born in August are markedly

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different, especially the lower
down.

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You go 100% even one class might
not be enough.

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You put 100,000 kids though on a
graph, you're going to see that

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trend line.
It does exist.

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Yeah, even even everything back
to my career of teaching for 10

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different classes yeah, I I
could see that trend of intent

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absolutely was was a thing.
I agree.

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And you know, it's it's you
can't look at one example and

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and then that'd be the basis for
your view on something.

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There's a reason why in select,
you know, you know, 11 plus

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tests, etcetera.
There's age standardisation.

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It's not because they just want
to do it.

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It's because scientifically
backed by research and evidence

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that they have, they see that
there's a margin that they

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account for and that's fair.
I always find that.

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Interesting, particularly with
the 11 plus, right, because

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those kids are obviously at the
end of Year 5, starting year 6,

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when they typically take that
test.

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The difference a year makes to
the percentage of proportion of

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their life at that point is
actually quite significant,

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isn't it?
Like if you're 10%?

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It's huge, Yeah.
Because, of course, because I'm

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10 years old.
So, like, it makes sense, you

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know, 100% because it needs to
exist.

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But oh, they all learnt the same
thing.

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Was like, yeah, but the brains
are developing.

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The brains are developing.
And this goes to what people are

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saying here.
Would that, you know, is waiting

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better?
Yeah.

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They get another year of brain
development before they learn

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the things they would have
learned.

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Of course they're going to learn
their things better and more

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deeply because they'll be more
ready to do.

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That exactly.
And we know that's true.

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And we say this about the
curriculum even all the time.

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Like one of the big gripes of
the curriculum is why are we

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cramming so much stuff early on
it it's so much less efficient.

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Yeah, we can spend 5 weeks
trying to teach a four year old

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what the concept of 1/2, or we
can just wait till they're six

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and they'll get it in 2 days.
Wait till they're 9.

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Yeah, genuinely, my my numbers
are made-up.

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There are the idea, the idea of
like, yeah, it's just

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completely, yeah, whatever there
we.

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Go.
We have to be really picky about

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what we're teaching young kids.
Basically what we're saying

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definitely because it's we
really need to prioritise

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properly because some things are
just a waste of time.

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Absolutely.
Right.

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Next question which half term is
the hardest slog and why?

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Well, I've not been a teacher
for six months.

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How can I possibly know?
Why does it matter that I've

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been there for 10 years
beforehand?

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Oh, possibly.
Sorry, didn't half terms are

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fundamentally changed.
We don't experience this

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anymore.
They're completely different.

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People who are listening to this
for the first time that I've

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missed out on that little
conversation.

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Yeah, that was last week.
Go check out last week when you

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were all on Easter break.
Which half term is the hardest

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slog and why?
Winter 2, Winter 2?

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Why that one?
So just let's be really clear to

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people.
Let's just do 123456.

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Yeah, it's the second one.
Yeah.

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And it's because it is almost
always 8 weeks long.

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Because the point where we start
to school to Christmas is fixed

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pretty much, isn't it?
It's not like Easter.

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Easter moves around.
So the terms after are weird.

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Sometimes you get a four.
We had a four week term once.

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I know.
And we have like a five week

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term, Six week term.
They all tend to be a bit

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shorter.
Easter, sorry, winter 2, the one

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just before Christmas tends to
be like 8 weeks long.

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It's cold, it's horrible.
You can't really do much after

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all before school because it's
wet and cold and windy and dark.

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It's not an enjoyable place to
be in general in this country.

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And it's, it's where I feel like
you're, you're so early on in

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the year, you're still getting
to know your kids, you're still

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trying to push up expectations,
you're trying to push them as

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much as possible and get the
most out of them.

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And there's so much else going
on as well that you've got to

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cram in and think about like
Christmas plays, Christmas

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fates, Christmas fares.
It's just non, non, non-stop.

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And I always felt like the
Christmas holidays.

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I just had to recover.
Yeah, and you go into that term

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off the back of a one week off
typically.

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Some schools get 2, but most
schools get one week off after a

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pretty long term.
Term. 1 usually.

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Seven.
Yeah, usually 7:00 and 8:00. 7

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and 8 exactly and even if they
were the same length or at least

455
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,480
with the first time you had the
six weeks summer holiday

456
00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,920
beforehand, whereas this one is
that you're one week off and

457
00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,880
you're straight back in.
I agree because people often

458
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,520
compare the one you're saying so
winter 2 with the very last term

459
00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040
of the year as well because the
summer summer 2 is often quite

460
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,160
long as well.
Yeah, it is.

461
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,360
And and obviously at that point
like you've, you know, you're

462
00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,120
actually at the end of the year
now, so you've had the whole

463
00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,920
year backlog behind you well.
You're a year 6 teacher so after

464
00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,160
such a difficult anyway so.
It's fine.

465
00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,920
There's my personally, even
somebody who's great, I'll do

466
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,360
that all year.
But I think the main difference

467
00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,200
between them is honestly, even
though the time can be quite

468
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,360
similar and maybe the exhaustion
as well between you know #1 and

469
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:11,640
#2 of the big term, winter sucks
in terms of weather.

470
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,400
Like everything you said about
the weather does actually have a

471
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,320
huge impact.
I saw, I saw loads of reels

472
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,560
recently because obviously it
became sunny for a couple of

473
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,840
days in the UK in March.
And there were there were people

474
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,240
saying you don't realise the
quite the negative effect that

475
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,040
the horrendous winter of dark
days has on your mood.

476
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,360
That then when it actually goes
away and when the sun comes out,

477
00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,120
you're like, oh, this is what it
feels like to be human.

478
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,840
Yeah.
It's, it's insane happiness.

479
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,240
Yeah.
Genuinely, I feel like that I I.

480
00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:40,720
What's it called seasonal?
Depression.

481
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,160
Yeah.
Sad, isn't it Seasonal.

482
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,920
Oh.
I don't know, whatever.

483
00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,240
It's sad what you feel.
Maybe sad's just a feeling.

484
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:47,880
You're a little card with a sad
face.

485
00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,560
Hayden, you're feeling sad
today.

486
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,520
That's just how they describe
to.

487
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,560
Me.
Yeah, seasonal, effective,

488
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,040
effective to.
Stop trying to make some work,

489
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280
yeah.
XAD, that's fine, XAD.

490
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,280
But yeah, it's real.
It's real.

491
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,360
Definitely real.
Let's do another question, if

492
00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:03,200
you're allowed to pick any 2
foundation subjects and

493
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,520
foundation subjects, are all
subjects for English and Maths

494
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,960
for non teachers to be taught by
the PPAHLTA instead of you,

495
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,120
which ones would you pick?
I actually don't think the HTA

496
00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,440
should be covering my lessons.
All right, get over there.

497
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,320
Now you've done that bit.
What?

498
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,480
Was the answer actually you
think they are taking a punch

499
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,360
job and not paid nearly enough
to do that job?

500
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,800
OK, so I'm going to rephrase
this question for you.

501
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,560
H LTA is that there?
I don't expect you to do that

502
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,880
for me.
Wow, my Bennett, that's really

503
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,320
nice.
I'm picking RA, so how much is?

504
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,920
Going to be covered.
Cool, that whole time I was

505
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,280
thinking, well good virtue
signalling, but they're doing RE

506
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,400
got.
My HLTA taught RE for me in my

507
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,480
ECT year, Mrs Laffey and she did
a fantastic job and I was very

508
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,520
grateful to enough to teach that
subject.

509
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,360
Personally.
I I do you know what I I

510
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,840
actually quite like RE.
Yeah, me too, I'm saying.

511
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480
So I wouldn't actually pick RE
because I really like teaching

512
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,920
kids about the different
religions, etcetera.

513
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,320
And I feel like if it's done the
right way, it's really, really

514
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,240
good lesson.
I only like teaching Ari if I

515
00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,160
get to indoctrinate the children
to a particular region.

516
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,240
That's the only time
indoctrination.

517
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,120
Like yeah, so we're doing
Christianity for the 7th time.

518
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,760
Wow, there's a reason for that.
Read between the lines, kid.

519
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,960
Why is my school called St
Something?

520
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,400
Yeah, because that's the
indoctrination we all agree is

521
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,320
good in England.
Charge of England, English

522
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,000
patriotism.
We're all going to think this.

523
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,680
And can you say God's great?
Probably not.

524
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,280
So PPA then obviously RE is a is
a funny one kind of this one.

525
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,480
There's a there's a quote to
that.

526
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,600
By the way, there is like a
legitimate side of that is that

527
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,080
you'd have to do it.
It was I have to do it.

528
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,800
It was a it was a written marked
lesson.

529
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,280
So that I crack on.
Don't give away.

530
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,440
Don't give away my art.
Well, so your so your letter the

531
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,320
H Poor HLTA, yeah.
Yeah, absolutely go against

532
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,640
everything I've ever said on
this podcast.

533
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,480
OK, I I think I'm going to put
PE out there.

534
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,560
And the reason is because I
think, I think, and This is why

535
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,960
I'm I'm I told you it's going to
change.

536
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,200
It's not my HLTAI think PE
should be taught by qualified

537
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,480
coaches.
OK, you pulled that back.

538
00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,800
That was going to rock bottom
for a second.

539
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,640
You pulled it back.
No, no, I, I, I actually think

540
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,880
that you should get a couple of
PE lessons a week and we should

541
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,520
do one of them as a class
teacher and be like part of, I

542
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,880
understand my class really well
and do skills and stuff like

543
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,840
that, whatever it might be.
But I do think.

544
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,120
I don't think that.
We'll come back to that.

545
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,600
But I do strongly think that
exercise PE is so important and

546
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,120
a professional should be doing
it with the kids.

547
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,240
Yeah, absolutely.
Why?

548
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,040
Why you don't You don't think?
I do think.

549
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,680
That no, I'm just being silly.
I'm being, I'm being lazy.

550
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,040
I, I think I agree, I think PE
should be on a pedestal.

551
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,640
It should be taught more often.
The ideal situation is, is

552
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,280
always to me, I think taught by
an expert so they can actually

553
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,440
just get the most out of the
subject.

554
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,120
But I think in in failure of
that, which is realistically

555
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,320
everywhere and we should
absolutely just be doing PE with

556
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,000
the kids as well, you know?
What happens a lot, and I see it

557
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,720
a lot and there's a lot of
people who message us about this

558
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,840
and they're worried about this,
is that, you know, PE quite

559
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,360
often for PPA is, is kind of
schools higher out, you know,

560
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,640
coaching companies, right?
And those coaching companies

561
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,000
have overheads.
They need to make a profit,

562
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,400
etcetera, blah, blah.
They get a contract with the

563
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,240
school.
Maybe they've got a few actual

564
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,360
coaches who are qualified maybe.
And then lots of apprentices,

565
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,720
young children, 161718 year olds
who work for them at an

566
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,080
apprentice rate, really cheap,
not fully qualified yet.

567
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,120
And those apprentices end up
taking a lot of the PE lessons

568
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,720
because obviously they've got a
loan on the job as well.

569
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,880
Yeah, of course the problem
becomes, well, they're 161718

570
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,400
year old apprentices, they're
not specialists and I'm not

571
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,240
being funny a lot of the time.
The classroom teacher could

572
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,240
deliver a better PE lesson and
the school is still paying extra

573
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,480
for them through the coaching
system.

574
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,720
So there's there's something
going on there where we need to

575
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,200
be really careful about the
quality and what our children

576
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,680
are getting because it feels as
if a lot of the time it can be

577
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,840
kind of like ticked off as like,
yeah, P ES covered.

578
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,160
Guys, we've got this coaching
team in.

579
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,880
They're going to cover it.
Oh my God, we don't have to

580
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,760
think about it anymore.
Write the cheque, see you later.

581
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,000
Yeah.
But if you actually were to hold

582
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,320
those accountable as to what
they're actually teaching, I've

583
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,760
seen some some absolutely
terrible PE lessons. 100%, it

584
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,160
makes me realise that PE is
definitely a victim of squished

585
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,640
budgets.
Yeah, because really what used

586
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,240
to happen and it doesn't happen
as much anymore, is schools

587
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200
would have a PE teacher Exactly.
You'd have a PE specialist who

588
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,600
worked full time for the school.
And that is something that I've

589
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,040
noticed over the years from
personal experience and also

590
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,360
just talking to people through
this podcast.

591
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,760
That's it gets it gets they they
go, you know, along with the

592
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,920
Tasmania, the, the people that
are squashed out of the system

593
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,480
because the school needs to save
money because they've had

594
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,200
another year of unfunded pay
rises.

595
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,480
They've got to account for the
PE teacher goes the the extra

596
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,360
Tasmania go.
Oh, you've got one family layer

597
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:27,640
as an officer.
Oh, you've got none now.

598
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,200
Like the people like that, the
the fringe jobs that aren't

599
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,760
literally just you're a teacher
in front of kids in the

600
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,520
classroom all day.
They just go.

601
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,040
I'm not not by the way, I'm not
blaming anyone in this situation

602
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,880
because what you've summed up is
absolutely right.

603
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,760
If it's cheaper and lot of
schools are finding this, it's

604
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,160
cheaper to get a coaching
company to come in and do that

605
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,520
than it is to hire someone full
time.

606
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,200
Well, there's only one reason
it's cheaper.

607
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,200
Yeah, it's because they're
hiring apprentices at a much

608
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,960
lower rates for the job.
It's only one reason it's

609
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,720
cheaper and more effective to do
that.

610
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,200
So obviously you, there is no
shortcut here.

611
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,200
You can't save money and get the
same standard.

612
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,320
It's going to dip.
But because it's kind of

613
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,800
external, I feel like it gets
less of the, the kind of eyes in

614
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,680
it than it would normally do.
And I think it can be just

615
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240
assumed that, well, it's a
coaching company.

616
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,480
Doing this does not necessarily
mean that it's quality.

617
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,640
Like if you used to have APE
specialist in your school doing

618
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,640
PE all the time with your
children, who's done it for the

619
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,600
whole career and that's their
job and their speciality.

620
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,400
And then you just, you know,
you, you get rid of them to save

621
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,800
money and you and the money you
saved, you put into a coaching

622
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,600
company to do it.
It's not going to be equivalent.

623
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,240
No.
And everyone needs to understand

624
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,560
that.
And I'm not even, I'm genuinely

625
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,400
not even necessarily blaming the
coaching companies for this

626
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,240
because they are what they are.
They're not actually hiding

627
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,200
anything whatsoever.
No, but we can't pretend that

628
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,240
it's going to be equivalent.
And also not assuming that all

629
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,120
apprentices are just absolutely
dreadful and terrible.

630
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,960
Like it's just.
Above some amazing I I've

631
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,240
literally had apprentices in
schools that I've worked in who

632
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,360
do lessons who are amazing with
the kids.

633
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,280
They are fantastic.
And it's the same thing when

634
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,040
TA's are amazing with the kids.
It's the same thing when HLTAS

635
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,120
are amazing teachers.
This is this can all exist, but

636
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840
it's in the backdrop of you're
not getting paid properly to do

637
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760
it and you don't have the
qualifications that we can't get

638
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,400
past that.
And if we're just happy with

639
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,760
that being the case, I don't
think we should be.

640
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,240
But like, it doesn't mean that
I'm saying it awful people.

641
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Of course, I'm not saying that
some of the some of the best

642
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,320
people with the kids have been
like apprentices and people on

643
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,760
and TH teaching assistants and
HLTAS who don't get the pay

644
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,680
packet they deserve.
But let's not pretend that it's

645
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,960
equivalent.
Yeah, it's not.

646
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,080
Yeah.
Yeah, No, I agree.

647
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,200
Couldn't agree more.
So.

648
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,840
Two, we had REMP with handover.
Yeah, I was going to say you

649
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,800
kind of didn't really.
So going back to this question,

650
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,640
I want you to have an answer
just very specifically in this

651
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,960
context, right?
You know it's your HLTS and you

652
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960
know it's your HLTA and they're
doing the PPA.

653
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,360
Let's even say in this lovely
situation, it's plan form.

654
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,360
They don't have to mark, it's
all good, but they do.

655
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,640
But you do have to pick a
lesson.

656
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,160
For them, I was going to say art
and ICT because they typically

657
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,160
don't need marking, but you're
saying they don't need marking.

658
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,720
Whatever I pick, Yeah, in this
made-up.

659
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Then I talk to my HLTA, see
their interest and let them

660
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,000
pick.
Really.

661
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,080
Yeah, if, if, if.
If there's no marking involved

662
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,240
anyway.
I love teaching maths.

663
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,240
No, it's literally hey, the
question literally said.

664
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,920
No jet over.
You asked them though.

665
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,040
Out of these, OK, now out of
these options that is very

666
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,400
clearly defined to this question
we've been asked.

667
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,400
I really do like maths.
OK, it's good, but it's it's

668
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,720
irrelevant.
It's like telling me you like

669
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,680
cheese.
It's irrelevant to.

670
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,040
This.
I don't like cheese and I really

671
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,280
do like teaching maths.
Tough.

672
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,760
So out of these afternoon
lessons, your geography history,

673
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,560
which one piques your interest?
All the plans there?

674
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200
What do you feel like you're
more encouraged about?

675
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:19,360
Pick 2.
Do any of them?

676
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,400
Not asking you.
Yeah, but I'm the TA in this

677
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,560
role.
Did any of those subjects have

678
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,400
maths involved?
Next question.

679
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Your recent post about
independent writing in Year 6

680
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,080
seemed to split people.
Can you clarify what you meant

681
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,160
about teachers and schools
pretending writing is

682
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,960
independent?
When you see it written down?

683
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960
It's quite, Yeah, it's quite
provocative.

684
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,960
Pretending writing is
independent when it isn't.

685
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,040
Surely kids need support when
they're writing.

686
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,240
That's our job.
Right, right.

687
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,760
Everyone just buckle up.
We're just going to have a

688
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,360
little disclaimer.
I'm going to just cut a little

689
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,800
shot there to Dylan.
You can see how he's getting

690
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,960
ready, winding up.
Dylan, I'm going to hand this

691
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,200
over to you.
I'm going to go quiet for a

692
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,640
minute.
Can you please clarify the thing

693
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,200
that you said very clearly last
time?

694
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Yeah, I can't believe how many
people can't listen to a word I

695
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,760
say, so I'm going to say it
again.

696
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,120
It wanted the end sentence.
Surely kids need support when

697
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,240
they're writing.
That's our job.

698
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,160
In this video that's being
referenced, I said twice that we

699
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,720
should constantly be giving
feedback to children on their

700
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,960
writing, constantly be modelling
writing, constantly be giving

701
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,840
sentence stems, constantly be
giving ideas, constantly be

702
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,720
modelling editing, constantly be
doing it together and doing the

703
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080
job of teaching.
We should be doing that every

704
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,000
single day.
That should happen.

705
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,600
What I said was, and people
can't get their head around

706
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,680
this, that independent writing
is what we should be judging the

707
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,640
children on, on what level they
are with their writing.

708
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,880
And independent writing is not
what the children are doing

709
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,960
every single day in the lesson.
Independent writing should

710
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,840
happen, in my opinion, twice a
time, maybe once, maybe three

711
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:55,000
times that we that we, that we
assess actual independent

712
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840
writing can happen all the time
because independent writing

713
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,880
happens and then you're given
feedback by the teacher and then

714
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,920
you look at that feedback and
then you improve your writing.

715
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,080
And that's part of the process,
right?

716
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,800
So physically, children
independently writing can happen

717
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,840
loads and the teacher can give
feedback and help them and they

718
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,960
improve it and they learn and
they get better that that.

719
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
It's 1 box.
That, that is should happen

720
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,000
lots.
That's the art of teaching.

721
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,800
Yeah.
When we assess independent

722
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,040
writing, it has to be
independent writing.

723
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,560
It has to be that.
We say, okay, do you know what?

724
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,080
Twice a time the kids are just
going to sit down, there's a

725
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,520
prompt, we're going to do a
diary entry.

726
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,680
We've been practising it for two
weeks and all the little

727
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840
intricacies and the details and
you've had the feedback and the

728
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,320
prompts and the scaffold and
everything, but I'm going to

729
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,760
assess what you can do
independently now so you get

730
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,160
absolutely no support.
You're going to produce a piece

731
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
of independent writing for half
an hour and then we're not going

732
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,800
to touch it afterwards, apart
from maybe you can independently

733
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,000
edit it and get some time to do
that.

734
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600
I'm not going to market and then
give it back to you to change.

735
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,000
You're not going to write this
up in a nice, neat, fancy book

736
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,200
after my input because I'm going
to assess this piece of writing.

737
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400
When you are assessing
independent writing, there

738
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,640
should be absolutely no input
from an adult or a scaffold or a

739
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,040
piece of writing on the board or
anything at all, because we are

740
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680
assessing independent in
writing, much like when we

741
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,080
assess independent mass ability
when we do a short test.

742
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,920
OK, if I was to say when we do
independent test in maths, we

743
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,800
shouldn't be giving children
feedback and telling them what

744
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,680
to do and then letting them fix
it and then assessing them

745
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,680
after.
No one would bat an eyelid.

746
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600
Because that's pretty obvious,
isn't it, That if we're

747
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,560
assessing what people can do
independently, we don't help

748
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,520
them?
Does that mean that I'm saying

749
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,800
we should never give children
feedback on their maths or help

750
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,200
them out in any context ever?
No one thinks that as well.

751
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080
So why when it comes to writing,
do we suddenly think, oh, kids

752
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,520
need the feedback, don't they?
Yes, they do every single day.

753
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,720
They should be getting it.
And the and the beauty of

754
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,600
independent writing in this,
even in this exact scenario, is

755
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,000
they will still get feedback
because the independent part it

756
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,840
at the point of assessment.
Yes, exactly the point of you

757
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,240
assessing the writing.
The thing you're assessing at

758
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,480
that point has to have been
completely independent once

759
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,840
you've assessed it.
Crack on.

760
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,360
They can do what they.
Want give it back to them and

761
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,400
tell You can give them as much
feedback as you want afterwards

762
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,480
as long as it's doesn't change
your assessments because they

763
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040
then go and edit it but.
Also, but also no, I'm pushing

764
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440
back as well because no, you
need some work which is not

765
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,200
touched.
You need some work when it

766
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,000
doesn't happen because what can
you take to moderation

767
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,760
otherwise?
Sure, OK.

768
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,120
If you're doing what you're when
people take to moderation, Oh,

769
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,760
well, they did it independently.
So yeah.

770
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
But then you did tracing paper
over the top of it, told them

771
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,400
what to change.
They went away and changed it.

772
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,320
And then we took that to
moderation.

773
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,040
There needs to be specific work
that you leave alone and you can

774
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,080
take to an independent
moderator, which you know is

775
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,280
going to happen at the end of
the year.

776
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960
And you say these are the bits
of work they did completely

777
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,320
independently with no input from
me whatsoever.

778
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,400
And you can see, oh, look on the
next page.

779
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,600
They did this independently.
Then I gave them feedback, then

780
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,320
they fixed it.
So we're not going to assess

781
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,840
this right now because we can't
because this isn't completely

782
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,480
independent.
This has had my input in let's

783
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,080
just turn back a page to the one
that I've left clearly as

784
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,040
independent work.
Let's assess that.

785
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,040
We need to assess independent
writing because this aids

786
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,880
learned helplessness.
Why are we so shocked that

787
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
children can't write a coherent?
Oh well, they can't do it, so I

788
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,600
give them some help.
That's the point.

789
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080
We need to be able to see they
can't do it rather than pretend

790
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,320
they can.
Yeah, I agree.

791
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
And by the way, what you said
doesn't actually counts, right?

792
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
What I said.
I said we can give kids feedback

793
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,760
afterwards.
I didn't say you should then

794
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,600
write all over that work.
No, but you can give them

795
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,440
feedback.
You can give.

796
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,240
Them feedback, but then
obviously going to change it as

797
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,520
well, right?
No, no, maybe just literally

798
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,240
say, but you can't.
You can literally talk to a kid

799
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240
and tell them what was great and
what about their writing.

800
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,920
And they say, by the way,
though, we need to keep this

801
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,440
untouched.
Yeah, because there's an

802
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,640
assessment piece.
But well done.

803
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,240
You did these things great.
And this thing you could work

804
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,800
on.
On independent writing, I used

805
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,960
to just do smileys.
Yeah, I used to just go through

806
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,080
and say, wow, you've done this,
well done.

807
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Why you've done that, Well done.
It was just positive feedback.

808
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,960
And then in general, children
had a next step.

809
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,800
So for one child, their general
might's next step based on where

810
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,200
they are, they're writing.
Actually for them, it's just

811
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
about writing in sentences.
For another child, their general

812
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,480
next step might be adding detail
to their writing because they

813
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,520
can write in coherent.
Sentences.

814
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,760
So what you're the same is one
point.

815
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,920
Yeah, completely sorry.
But it's, it's about like people

816
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,680
say what it was.
This is how they justify that

817
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,720
what it was independent.
Then I gave them feedback after

818
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,840
and they changed it.
It's like that can't now be

819
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,240
assessed.
That's all I'm saying.

820
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,040
And there was a mixture of
people who are like, you know,

821
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,400
basically saying what I've just
talked about there.

822
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,840
It's like, I am not saying we
shouldn't be doing writing where

823
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,040
it's modelled and we're teaching
them.

824
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,000
You cannot pretend that's what
I'm saying because it's not.

825
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,320
I'm talking about how we assess
writing and it has to be

826
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,880
assessed.
Independently, what we're saying

827
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520
is when that untouched bit of
work goes to moderation, the

828
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,960
people that have actually
pretended that it's untouched is

829
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,920
the problem.
Exactly.

830
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,680
They're not really untouched
because they've had loads of

831
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,400
feedback and you've done it on
tracing paper and post it notes.

832
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,440
That's the problem and.
Knowingly to make it look like

833
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,080
it's independent when it's not.
And that's the issue.

834
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Oh, and then someone was like,
oh, don't hate the player, hate

835
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,440
the game, bore off, don't moan
at teachers.

836
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200
No, I will actually, because
there are some schools who don't

837
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,960
do this.
Oh, there's so much pressure

838
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,120
from the top.
Yeah, there is.

839
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,120
There's lots of pressure on the
top from Sats.

840
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960
But do you think if I sat next
to a child and they were doing

841
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800
their maths Sats paper and I was
like, oh I know, sorry, there's

842
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,880
pressure so I'm just going.
To I know they can do.

843
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,240
This I know change going to
change it.

844
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600
No, you can't do that.
And we all accept you can't do

845
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,880
that.
The pressure doesn't matter.

846
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Have some professional integrity
for sake.

847
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,480
Have some integrity in what
you're doing.

848
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,560
Stop pretending.
Oh, we need to get them to this

849
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,920
level.
They're not there though.

850
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,360
So the more you pretend you're
making a rod for your own back

851
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,600
in the future and you're making
a rod for every other school in

852
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,120
the area's back who don't do
that.

853
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280
And if we all do it, then we all
need to stop and it's not

854
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,560
acceptable.
Oh, we all just cheat on the SAT

855
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,760
papers, don't we?
No, we don't.

856
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Maybe there's lots of pressure
on the SAT.

857
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Yeah, but we don't cheat.
We don't open up and go oh God,

858
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,680
crossed out, kid.
Redo that, please.

859
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520
You've made a mistake there.
Actually, how you do this, that

860
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,600
word means less, so you have to
subtract.

861
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760
So let's just do that, shall we?
Oh, but I was pressure.

862
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,360
Pressure.
They did the maths themselves.

863
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,120
There was pressure though.
There was pressure from top.

864
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,520
So I had to tell him no, he
didn't have some integrity.

865
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,000
Don't say work is independent
when it isn't.

866
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Do writing all of the time.
That isn't independent.

867
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,880
And he's helped and gives
feedback to it every single day.

868
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360
But.
But have some points of yours

869
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,480
timetable where it is actually
independent and can actually be

870
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720
assessed and is left alone.
That's how we assess writing.

871
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600
And when we pretend we don't,
you're part of the issue.

872
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,160
I'm going to say you.
I mean you and your school,

873
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000
yeah, you and maybe you're your
6th leader who's saying you have

874
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,440
to do it or maybe your your head
teacher saying you have to do it

875
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,680
or maybe no one's saying you
have to do it and you just think

876
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,080
you want to to make yourself
look better.

877
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,639
Yeah, you are part of the
problem.

878
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,199
Stop doing it.
But you're so mean to teachers

879
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,360
on this.
I actually don't if you think

880
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,360
that's mean.
If you look at that situation

881
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,840
and go the person doing the
cheating or the person calling

882
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440
out the cheating, or who's
worse, the person calling out

883
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719
the cheating, I've got nothing
to say to you other than.

884
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:25,920
You're wrong.
Stop doing it.

885
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,280
Stop doing it anyway.
And we can have, we're not going

886
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,639
to do it right now because
you'll go off another 10

887
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,120
minutes, but we can have a
separate conversation about the

888
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,800
systemic pressures.
But you can have both

889
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,080
conversations.
You can say professional

890
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,400
integrity is really important,
isn't it?

891
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Yeah, cool.
We should do these things to

892
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:40,400
maintain it.
Yes, we should.

893
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,600
Or there's loads of pressure
making us not want to do that

894
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,960
though.
Cool, let's talk about that now

895
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,600
separately like they are just
separate things, so.

896
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520
And and all I say is people look
at that pressure from the top

897
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,880
and then still decide where
their line is, their line will

898
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:53,880
be.
Well, obviously I'm not going to

899
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,880
cynics for a child doing a maths
AT paper and change their answer

900
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,680
for them, that's ridiculous.
But I will do that literal,

901
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,400
actual same thing when it comes
to their writing.

902
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,120
Yeah, yeah, because writing's
harder.

903
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,280
The bar's too high, yeah.
I wonder why the bar's too high.

904
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,760
The bar's too high, but everyone
seems to be getting roughly the

905
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,280
same level every year, so maybe
the bar's not too high.

906
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,920
What it is when we cheat?
Yeah.

907
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,520
When the bar is the national
average, which is determined by

908
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640
us, like, and that's too high,
it's like, well, then it's

909
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,440
wrong.
That means by definition, we

910
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,920
didn't do it properly.
Yeah, because that's the

911
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,760
average, Yeah.
Yeah.

912
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,760
And, and when we talk about
this, the reason we talk about

913
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,120
it is because I can't describe
it is so widespread.

914
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:28,960
Yeah, of course it is.
It's so.

915
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,720
And that's why people, people
also use that as a

916
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,920
justification.
Well, everyone else is so.

917
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,280
OK, cool.
That's the end of the

918
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,240
conversation, I suppose.
And oh, it's now fine to

919
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,320
pretend.
Well, it's independent.

920
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,720
When it's not, it's, well, it's
just a nonsense to me.

921
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,280
Absolute nonsense.
Come on, come on, don't do it.

922
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,800
Oh, Devon was mean to me because
I do it.

923
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,160
Why do you do?
If you do it, why do you do it?

924
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,840
Pressure.
OK, There's lots of stuff you

925
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920
don't know how to pressure
about, OK.

926
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,760
What to make is to make your
data look good.

927
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,360
Is that worth hyper inflating
their children's results?

928
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,080
And then they go to secondary
school and they think, what the

929
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,160
hell?
These these kids can't even do a

930
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,160
paragraph coherently.
And it's not because it's not

931
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,800
your teaching problem.
They can't do a paragraph

932
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,280
coherently.
They find it really hard and

933
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,240
tricky and it's just a
combination of lots of things.

934
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,720
But just don't take it
personally.

935
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,760
The best bit is then after all
this, no matter what path you've

936
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,920
taken, the righteous one or the
the bad one, you go to

937
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,960
moderation and no one has a clue
what's all about anyway.

938
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,360
And it's all it's I'm so
subjective that it's actually

939
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,480
pointless because the, the the
scale of subjectivity is so wild

940
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,080
that it's skewed you.
You might get lucky on one

941
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,120
table.
They think the children are

942
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,320
working towards are actually
expected.

943
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,120
Well done.
The bathroom, your bathroom

944
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,760
expect is too high, isn't it as
well?

945
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,760
Yeah, it is.
It is too high, but it's too

946
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880
high because the bathroom
expected is basically you need

947
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,280
to be able to do everything.
Yeah, perfect.

948
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080
So again, this is another thing
people say it's like, well, the

949
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,880
bar's too high.
Like, I don't want to put this

950
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,840
kid down as expected because
they are actually where I expect

951
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,480
them to be, but the expected bar
is too high.

952
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,400
So I'm just going to fudge it a
bit so they get there.

953
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,400
So it looks like it's right.
You got an issue, you got an

954
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,120
issue outside of the what you're
talking about.

955
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,040
Your issue is about the bar.
So only if repeatedly we

956
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,480
actually show where children
actually are independently, then

957
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,280
we can maybe talk about, oh,
we'll look, clearly there's some

958
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,480
evidence here that this bar's
too high, but we all pretend the

959
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,240
bar's acceptable and is where
the average is.

960
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,920
It's a nonsense.
There is the average writer is

961
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,880
not expected level because
expected level's too high.

962
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,640
What you're saying will never
happen.

963
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,400
I know, I know, I know.
So it's interesting, like I do

964
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
sometimes think that would be,
that would be the right outcome,

965
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120
but it will literally never
happen and that just won't

966
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,600
happen.
What do we do then?

967
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,800
Do you know, there's some people
who say I'd be very interested

968
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440
just to go back to completely
independent writing as like,

969
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,960
almost like a test, a time to
set.

970
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will people still cheat?

971
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,240
Probably.
I can imagine there hasn't no

972
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,080
prompt in front of them.
Here's a scaffold with some

973
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,480
blank sweep.
Put some adjectives in and just

974
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,200
make it look really good.
But I could probably.

975
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,760
But if we actually just
independently get kids to sit

976
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560
down and see where they can
write, it would be so much lower

977
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,360
than we're pretending it's at.
And that also can be fine.

978
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,200
It can be fine that an 8 year
old can't write fully coherently

979
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,040
over 2 pages.
Do you know what?

980
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,880
That's OK.
But let's not pretend they're

981
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,800
somewhere they're not.
Yeah, that is it.

982
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,560
That conclusion to me is I don't
know what the exact answer is,

983
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,760
but I know.
But definitely the system has to

984
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,400
change.
Yeah, because we've just

985
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,280
established that it will not,
that the current situation will

986
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,960
not change, that we won't have
some unanimous uprising of

987
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,240
righteousness where everyone
that the simultaneously decides

988
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,000
we're no longer going to fudge
this system, we're all going to

989
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,320
do it properly so that it's fair
for everyone.

990
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,040
That won't happen.
So we have to change the.

991
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,960
System because people would
rather get annoyed at me for

992
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,160
talking about it.
Yeah, there would.

993
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,720
People would genuinely in that
situation rather go well, not

994
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,320
mine.
Just stop moaning about it.

995
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,960
Let me do it.
The school next to you who

996
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,080
doesn't do that cheating is
getting much results than you,

997
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,200
even though the children aren't
doing less than them.

998
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,120
So you are causing that problem.
Yeah, it's, that's it at the end

999
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,480
of the day.
It's a fun one.

1000
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,120
It's a fun one.
Well, we'll definitely come back

1001
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,600
to it when someone inevitably
doesn't understand it again and

1002
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,040
we have to explain that by we, I
mean.

1003
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,720
But shouldn't we give?
Shouldn't we be giving kids

1004
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:47,920
feedback about writing?
Writing's really hard.

1005
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Should we be helping them do
their?

1006
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,880
Right.
Stop.

1007
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Stop.
That is enough.

1008
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,280
That is enough.
I need to read my book about

1009
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,320
stoicism.
Yes, yes, I think you do.

1010
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,800
Here's an expression we'll chew
up a little bit.

1011
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,000
So that's a short, silly one.
Please, please, please can you

1012
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,640
make undefed merch?
I really want a T-shirt.

1013
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,920
A lot of people didn't.
This was a long time ago.

1014
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,320
You might have to explain the
context of the word undefed.

1015
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Undefed, it's spelt, UNDERFED.
Hayden was reading a story,

1016
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,960
Letters from the Lighthouse.
I think it was, yeah.

1017
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,800
Yeah, reading a story and came
across the word undefed and

1018
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,600
didn't know what it meant so
thought it was a nice teaching

1019
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,840
point for his class.
Right.

1020
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Just read around the word.
What could undefed mean?

1021
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,760
Well a Long story short kid.
But they end up so doesn't that

1022
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840
say underfed?
Yes it does.

1023
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,120
It's underfed and read it wrong.
But it was a good experience

1024
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600
because we established as a
class that undearth wasn't

1025
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,560
adjective.
That was describing people as

1026
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,440
looking quite skinny and not
having enough.

1027
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,640
Context you worked out.
Context.

1028
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,200
We worked it out and it turns
out it just.

1029
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,520
Yeah, it's because of.
Different words, you see.

1030
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,680
I got sent a few times the
Ramesh Ranganathan one recently.

1031
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Oh yeah.
So Ramesh is hosting BBC Radio

1032
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,520
2.
Yeah.

1033
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:53,200
And he says ashamed, like
ashamed from London.

1034
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,280
And then he realises, oh, it
says a shame.

1035
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040
That's.
Hilarious.

1036
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,200
I just worked that out as you
said it.

1037
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,320
Ashamed.
Ashamed.

1038
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,880
Smashing man, but it was
actually a shame, just his

1039
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,120
moment of it, just worrying in
his head and he realises what

1040
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,880
he's done.
Can I just just take his hand

1041
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,240
because you know, the episodes
got we derailed all the time

1042
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,400
just to say how unbelievably
funny Roma Shranganathan is in I

1043
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520
mean in general, but also I'm
watching the last one laughing

1044
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,200
on Amazon right now.
I.

1045
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,280
When this is released, by the
way, I'll be completely.

1046
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Finished.
Yes, it will come a couple of

1047
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,280
days.
With five episodes in, I think.

1048
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040
5 episodes in and he played his
his joker recently and I won't

1049
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,120
give any spoilers but it is I
was in tears like it was one of

1050
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,480
the funniest things I've ever
seen.

1051
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,360
You know, it's, it's funny
because it's, it's like really,

1052
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,440
it's kind of comedy that's
pushing this out there.

1053
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Like it's, it's not like it's
not necessarily kind, but

1054
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,240
because it's about himself.
Exactly.

1055
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,760
It's, it's funny because he
makes other people say stuff

1056
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,280
basically.
And part of the joke is like,

1057
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,240
they would never say this thing.
It's.

1058
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,600
It's awkward to you, but.
It's about his, you know, he's

1059
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,520
got a lazy eye, isn't he?
So we can say it's about that.

1060
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,360
And, and the, the by by far, by
far the funniest part was when

1061
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,120
he's talked about who became
Prime Minister in 2007, right.

1062
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,360
Yeah.
And it was Gordon Brown.

1063
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,280
Yeah, yeah.
And he said, can anyone guess

1064
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,880
what?
Can anyone guess what my

1065
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,520
nickname was?
I'm not going to say it didn't

1066
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,960
come from him.
No, but he he mentions it and it

1067
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,440
it, it just I, I couldn't have
got through.

1068
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,600
That the amount of yeah, just
quick quips and things he had

1069
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,080
like that, that just every
single one got me.

1070
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,960
But yeah, very, very funny, man.
And Bob Mortimer, It's just Bob

1071
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,560
Mortimer.
Yeah.

1072
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,000
Just the whole thing's
brilliant, the whole thing's so.

1073
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,840
I will say Season 2.
I'd say it's even funnier the

1074
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,080
season 1.
I thought season 1 was pretty

1075
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,840
funny.
Season 2.

1076
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,320
Is blowing me away how funny it
is.

1077
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,160
They all came out.
I saw something about because

1078
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,320
Alan Carr was in it, he's in
Lost or Nothing and he came out

1079
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,760
and he was saying, my God, I'm
so glad it's good because they

1080
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,720
all finished it.
Obviously they're not allowed to

1081
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,200
laugh.
So if you just think about what

1082
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,440
they've done, they've spent six
hours in A room not remotely

1083
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,200
laughing at anyone's jokes.
And they're comedians who like

1084
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,640
their trade is getting laughed
out of people.

1085
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,640
So they said they were saying
they finished it and they all

1086
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960
thought like, that's the worst
thing I've ever done in my life.

1087
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,280
Like obviously nothing was
funny.

1088
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,560
No one laughed.
It's just been dreadful.

1089
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,800
I've been trying to make people
laugh for six hours and no one

1090
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,600
laughed.
And only five times did someone

1091
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,080
actually laugh because like when
they're getting cards and stuff

1092
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520
now, it's like a little smirk
name for like a proper laugh.

1093
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,520
Like they barely anyone laughs.
That's the whole point of the

1094
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,920
thing.
But they finished it and he was

1095
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,760
really worried that it would.
It was just dreadful.

1096
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,480
And he's like, he seems to come
out.

1097
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,960
Everyone thinks it's better than
the one before.

1098
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,920
And he's, like, having even
watched it, he understands now

1099
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,640
why it's funny.
It makes sense in the moment.

1100
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,800
They they all thought like, this
is the worst.

1101
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,800
Yeah.
Because from their perspective,

1102
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,600
it's just a quiet room of no one
laughing from us.

1103
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,480
And we're cutting into like,
Jimmy Carr laughing and we're

1104
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720
laughing ourselves, like, so
there's laughter involved from

1105
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,160
our perspective, but from them
it's not.

1106
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360
And actually, if you actually,
if you look at what we see, we

1107
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,880
see like, let's say 10 minutes
of Romesh in an episode, 5

1108
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,880
episodes, it's like 4550 minutes
of Romesh.

1109
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,760
He's in there for six hours.
Yeah.

1110
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680
So there's a whole other thing
where he's just talking to

1111
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,200
people.
And yeah.

1112
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,720
And if you actually deep what's
happening, it's David Mitchell

1113
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,920
with a hat going crash, bang.
What what happened, Jack?

1114
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,640
And no one's laughing.
He just does a whole performance

1115
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560
and no one laughs.
He leaves and.

1116
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Probably thinks, oh that wasn't
very funny then.

1117
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,920
Where is actually.
That's the whole premise.

1118
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Oh, man, really funny, right?
She didn't have a question.

1119
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Go on.
We didn't really answer that

1120
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,560
question.
When's the merch coming?

1121
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,520
Some point maybe?
Let's talk about last one.

1122
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,080
Laughing for her 10 minutes.
Exactly.

1123
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,600
Right, here we go.
You've got 24 hours child free

1124
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,080
and no jobs to do Dreamy.
This is ultimate free child free

1125
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,640
time for you to do whatever you
like with When is your When is

1126
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880
your 24 hours starting or start?
At 10 AM?

1127
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,000
2:00 PM When?
When is it after bedtime and

1128
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,920
what are you choosing to do?
I am 24 hour window.

1129
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,920
I am gonna I don't think I don't
think when the 24 hour starts is

1130
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360
relevant.
No, just a day in it.

1131
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,520
It's like yes, you get you get a
4:00 PM Yeah, at some point

1132
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,800
true, I guess, I guess.
Oh yeah, I suppose.

1133
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120
No, it does make a difference.
No, I don't think it does.

1134
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,200
It does, because if it starts at
like 3:00 PM, it does mean that

1135
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,000
you spent the day doing normal
parenting things which might

1136
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,800
exhaust you.
If you start at 9:00 AM, it's

1137
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,000
fresh as soon as you get up.
Yeah, I was thinking just a

1138
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
normal day then.
So like 8:00 AM.

1139
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,760
Yeah.
So no, no, no, it would be.

1140
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,280
It wouldn't be.
That's a really good point.

1141
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,720
It would have to be like 6:00
AM.

1142
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,040
Yeah, that's when Rory gets up.
But I said 8:00 AM I'd be

1143
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,960
getting out of your room.
No, it goes 8.

1144
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
So actually midnight.
Midnight.

1145
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Yeah, it starts at midnight.
That's.

1146
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Midnight, all right.
So when I can wake up, whenever

1147
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,880
that's good, that's my first
thing.

1148
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,320
I'd go out for breakfast
somewhere.

1149
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,200
I don't know where, but I'd just
go out because because you can

1150
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,120
go out for breakfast somewhere.
I'd go and play golf in the

1151
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,280
morning thing, but golf in the
morning.

1152
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,320
Then I'd go for lunch.
So I'd go out for breakfast

1153
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,120
somewhere, golf, go out for
lunch, pub in the after noon

1154
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,320
because it's a nice sunny day.
Just go somewhere with pub

1155
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:22,200
garden.
It's very nice.

1156
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,000
It's not raining.
It's my perfect day.

1157
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,480
I can control the weather as
well.

1158
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,920
I go to the pub for the
afternoon.

1159
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,880
There's a football match on the
team.

1160
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,600
I support the team win.
It's fantastic.

1161
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,240
Yeah.
Go out for dinner.

1162
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,760
Yeah, definitely go out for
dinner.

1163
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,200
And then in the evening,
probably just a nice chill one

1164
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120
indoors, playing some, playing
some board games with some

1165
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,160
people.
Not you.

1166
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,880
No, not some people I like I've.
Not got the day off?

1167
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,640
So you're looking after Rory?
Yeah, yeah, and, and just

1168
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,440
chilling out in the evening and
having a couple of drinks and

1169
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,480
going to bed whenever I want.
What about you?

1170
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Nice, I spent it with my wife
and family.

1171
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Is it better or worse to have a
child in your class that has a

1172
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520
teacher as a parent?
It's either a person on your

1173
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,080
side or somebody who you can't
wrangle with your clever teacher

1174
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,880
talk and hold you to account.
So would you when?

1175
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,480
When a child when their parent
is a teacher, is it good or bad?

1176
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,360
I'd say on the worst side,
generally, I think yeah, I think

1177
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,360
so.
I think it's more annoying when

1178
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,600
there are people well.
I'm going through it because I

1179
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,880
have a completely different.
Experience.

1180
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600
Yeah, I guess I am just based
off a couple of it's not much

1181
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,080
experience really, but I just
find they're a little bit more

1182
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,240
annoying.
That's sort of like taking up

1183
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:32,920
your time.
It's hilarious.

1184
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,200
Like hypocritical, like
teachers, like teachers don't

1185
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,920
want to the worst people have
taken up other teachers.

1186
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,720
Time.
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.

1187
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,720
All the extra meetings and this
and that and question.

1188
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,120
I'm just like, oh mate, just let
me do my job.

1189
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,440
Oh, really?
Do my job.

1190
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,200
I've only I've only had positive
experience.

1191
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,280
Yeah, like I've had I've taught
a child who you've.

1192
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,480
Also taught I have had positive
experiences as well by the way.

1193
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,400
I can think of enough negative
ones where I'm like, oh, it's

1194
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960
kind of annoying.
Their their mum was a head

1195
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,160
teacher and she couldn't I like
to I didn't know she was a head

1196
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,160
teacher until months after still
teaching them because it just

1197
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,600
wasn't a thing.
I.

1198
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Know exactly what you're
thinking.

1199
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,400
Like a lovely mom.
Unbelievably lovely family.

1200
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Yeah, yeah, like the thing and
in general, whenever they have

1201
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,320
been a teacher, it's been.
You do get that though, where

1202
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,440
people are all mums, a teacher
by the way, that's how it's

1203
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040
framed, isn't it?
Often like all mums a teacher or

1204
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,920
old dads ahead or.
And I think, yeah, you are

1205
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,040
right, sometimes they do hold
you more accountable because

1206
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,560
from their point of view or that
they they work in a school and

1207
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,480
they know what should be
happening.

1208
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960
If they get the whiff of that
not happening for their own

1209
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,000
child, of course, obviously
they'll be the first person to

1210
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,880
say shouldn't this happen.
Whereas if they weren't a

1211
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,880
teacher, maybe they wouldn't
even know.

1212
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they know the jargon that.

1213
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,600
But in general, yeah, in
general, it's been a positive.

1214
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,520
I'd say overall are neutral to
edging towards nice.

1215
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,080
But it's not like I don't think
it's automatically better.

1216
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,320
No, I don't think it's
automatically.

1217
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,320
Better.
That's probably why I should

1218
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,240
have started with that.
Really.

1219
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,440
I don't think that either.
I just think my my personal

1220
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,440
experience is a couple of
annoying ones where I'm like oh

1221
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,520
do you know what could have just
been easier if they do?

1222
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,120
You think it's annoying when for
a parent their kid they get

1223
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,200
placed in a class?
Do you think it's annoying when

1224
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,760
their their teacher is a
teacher?

1225
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,880
What that makes, that makes no
sense, right?

1226
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,200
OK, cool.
Because I I've spent a long time

1227
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,760
processing whether that made any
sense.

1228
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,320
I'm glad the conclusion was no,
it doesn't.

1229
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,440
Because because my teacher a
teacher or not?

1230
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,640
My gut reaction was what?
What would be the other

1231
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,240
situation of course that teaches
the teacher like I was like,

1232
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,280
what am I missing?
You.

1233
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,400
You.
You really, really asked you.

1234
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,240
I did.
Is it better they're a teacher

1235
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,080
or not when they're a teacher?
No, actually fun enough.

1236
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,440
They're always taught by the
HLDA, not going off by teacher,

1237
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:37,360
so yeah.
Oh God.

1238
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,320
There you go there.
You go.

1239
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Anyway, another fun episode.
Why don't you stick around for

1240
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Wednesday when we'll be back
with another one?

1241
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:48,800
What's Wednesday's about?
Do we know you?

1242
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,960
Nope.
See you then.