198. Should Teachers Model Healthy Eating? Plus Quickest ECT Quits, Ethical Issues & Zombie Outbreaks

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach the

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packed one for us.
So enjoy this one guys because

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it's all you're getting so.
We can deal with it, deal with

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it, deal with it.
Kid, let's do AQ and a Hayden.

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Why don't you start with the
first?

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One I will for some reason like
this.

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Oh my God, in a world.
Where there were questions to

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read from a community in
WhatsApp?

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Two ex teachers step up to the
throne at the throne throne

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anyway, right?
Ignore that.

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Ignore that here we.
Go is it A2 seat of throw?

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No.
Are we standing on it?

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The problem is you're not on the
throne.

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Are you on my lap?
No, no, you're just again,

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you're not involved.
Sure, but here we go.

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Is it acceptable for teachers to
eat biscuits and drink sugary

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drinks?
Yep.

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Oh, sorry.
There's sorry.

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There's more, there's more.
Oh wait, I got lost at.

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That sorry hold on, let me just
drink my full fat coke it's a

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glass of water doesn't even.
Work as a joke.

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You forgot people can see.
It's a podcast.

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It's a video podcast.
I forgot.

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That's so funny.
Try to make a joke and forgot

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people can see that you're not
making the joke.

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Let me drink, not the elixir of
life.

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Oh, it's the oldest drink
possible anyway.

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Christ, what are we doing?
Is it acceptable teachers to

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drink water?
Yeah, I'm going to start this

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question again.
Here we go is it acceptable for

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teachers to eat biscuits and
drinks sugar and.

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Drinks water, water my.
Sake.

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Water.
Water.

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Sorry, I've got a full pack Coke
all over my head.

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Oh man.
In front of children.

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Cool.
OK.

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Is it acceptable?
Is it accessible to treat them

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in front of children?
Are we supposed to be role

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models when it comes to eating?
Or can you be a Have I forgot to

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read this?
No, let's just, let's just say a

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a a greedy piggy, a piggy, a
piggy.

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That's what I say to, you know,
myself.

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Or can you be a piggy when it
comes to eating your packed

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lunch?
OK, so is it OK, there's, I

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think there's two questions
there to be fair.

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Well, there is because there's
two question marks.

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But when it comes to your packed
lunch, it's like, well, I don't

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know about you, but I don't eat
my packed lunch in front of the

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kids.
Or at least I have the option

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to.
Like I know what's forcing me.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, we're just like we we got

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it.
Strange to be like, do you know

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what?
I'm going to go and actually I'm

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going to go and eat this share
bar of Dairy Milk in the canteen

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with the kids who've got the
worst score that is I've ever

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seen in my life.
Yeah, not sure the share bar of

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them.
I reckon we could go down a step

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and have maybe a time out or
something.

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No share bar.
Share.

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I mean, yeah.
There's no such thing as a share

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bar anyway.
So it's just, yeah, obviously

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you know what, have whatever you
want in your lunch.

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You're a grown adult.
And I don't know what like there

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has to be role models like just.
Imagining open your lunch box at

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school and it's just an Easter
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Like a whisper gold Easter egg,
there's.

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No lunch box, they're just the
carrier bag from the shop with a

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six pack packed multi bag of
crisps and and probably 3 cream

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eggs.
Now my point is you are a grown

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adult.
Like people will see stuff from

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from other people in the world
ever eating a biscuit every now

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and like it.
To eat a biscuit every now and

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then is absolutely fine.
It's absolutely fine.

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Of course it is.
If every single day you're

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eating half pack of crusted
creams and down in a too late a

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bottle of coke in front of the
kids, Yeah, you kind of enjoy

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your thing.
Obviously I think that's bad.

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So there's a line somewhere,
that's for sure.

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So is there?
Is there a line don't know where

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you can in front of the kids
though because ultimately you

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said they obviously they'll see
it in the real world but you are

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in a controlled environment as a
teacher.

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Is it fair to say as a teacher
you just shouldn't be modelling

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this at all?
Or do you think it's the line

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should be a bit further back of
like guys don't rub it in their

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faces and eat rubbish all the
time while simultaneously

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telling them they can't do it,
But if you occasionally have

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something just remind them that
you are an adult and you do

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what?
You want Yeah, I think, I think,

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I think it has got to be
moderation to A to a degree, to

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a degree.
Like, like I said, like eating a

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biscuit every now and then isn't
actually unhealthy, right.

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So eating a biscuit every now
and then and the children happen

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to see you eating a biscuit
like, OK, like I've seen some

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children, their pet lunch that
have the healthiest thing in the

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world every single time.
But overall, it's like a

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balanced meal.
I think something like drinking,

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you know, proper Coke in front
of the children.

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Like I, I actually think you
shouldn't do that because like

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that is a genuinely horrendously
bad for you Drink.

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You can enjoy it as an adult.
You can have it have it as much

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as you want where you're a grown
adult, but in front of the kids.

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I do actually think that you
should try and avoid.

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Avoid doing.
I think people would say that

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exactly the same analogy, that
they just choose that their line

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was not Coke but also the
chocolate that's.

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Completely fine.
And that line's going to that

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line is clearly going to change
for everyone.

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And I understand that.
And I'm just trying to express

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where my line would be.
And if you wanted to have a rule

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in place which was easier to to
administer, you might just say

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nothing like that.
But again, I just think if you

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say nothing like that, your line
still has to stop somewhere.

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Like you're OK, you're not
allowed a custard cream.

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You are allowed of Florida
broccoli, right?

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So, so, so where is that line in
the middle?

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Is it like a cheese string?
Yeah, you have a cheese string.

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It's like it's slightly
processed, but it is like cheese

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at the end of the day.
Is that OK?

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So like, it it I don't think you
can pretend, not you personally,

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but I don't think in general
anyone can pretend like that.

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There is a clear answer here,
genuinely.

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So I So what I would say is
like, just be a professional and

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just use your common sense.
I personally wouldn't be

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drinking full fat Coke in front
of my class.

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Yeah, yeah, but I but I would
have a hobnob every now and

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then, so.
That's fair enough.

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I think there are some some
situations where I don't think

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it's bad to have like a really,
really hard set rule of like you

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can't have anything remotely
unhealthy.

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And what is?
That then to me it's, it's those

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schools that have like a healthy
eating policy at break time or

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where it's like at break time,
all of the children are

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explicitly told they can only
have healthy snacks and it's

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really, really strict like, but.
Like you list them though you

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have to, yeah.
Exactly where they're listed,

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where it's like you can have
fruit, basically.

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You can have fruit or like a
yoghurt or something but.

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There are other things that are
healthy that aren't on that

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list.
So what is is what you're saying

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adults should just follow the
same policy as the children?

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Because there could well be a
case where an adult still having

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something help a cracker.
Is that unhealthy?

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Is it health?
OK, whatever.

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But like, can you have a cracker
break?

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Well, kids aren't allowed a
cracker at break time, so you're

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not.
I think that's a bit daft.

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It's weird.
I'd say that my problem with

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that would be OK, cool, expand
that.

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If you're going to have such a
restrictive list of the kids and

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like it needs to be sensible.
Do you know what I mean?

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Like that, that has to come part
and pass with it.

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If a teacher's thinking, Oh no,
I can't eat my cracker.

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The first thing should be I'm
going to eat my cracker and

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immediately change this list for
the children because that's.

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Ridiculous.
I really disagree.

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I don't think it has to be the
same.

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Of course it doesn't.
And also like a a use, like if

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you're on the playground with
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Fair enough.
Yeah.

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Like, like if you're on the
playground with the kids and

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it's like you can only have
fruit kids.

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It would be a bit strange for a
teacher to walk out of a massive

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biscuit.
That's exactly what I'm.

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Saying OK, so, so but but but
you can still like adults can

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still eat that like we're
talking about in their packed

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lunch and they just have.
It of course, yeah, no, yeah.

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This whole thing for me is
prefaced by when you're in front

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of the kids, OK, sure.
So if you're saying to the kids

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we've got this extremely harsh
strict rule and I'm going to

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uphold it.
Like there's literally a policy

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at the school.
I think it, it just crosses the

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boundary to me of like complete
like too hypocritical then as a

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teacher, I think it will be a
net loss for you as a teacher.

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But the respect you'll have with
these children if you then

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immediately just like you're
enforcing this strict rule and

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you don't even follow it.
That's really interesting.

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Because we've spoken a lot about
how rules don't have to be

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similar for both and we've
agreed on that.

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So like, for example, let's take
like the uniform rule or or

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whatever.
And let's just say there's

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something really strict like
your tie.

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You have to wear a tie and it
has to be done up.

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Like do you think all teachers
should have to wear a tie and it

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be done up perfectly as well
then?

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Because you can't enforce this
really strict rule and then not

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do it yourself.
Like, are you going back from

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what you said before?
No.

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No, I, I, I don't know why
that's oh, you're just a

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hypocrite.
OK.

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No, it feels different.
I think it feels different.

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I, I felt.
I don't know.

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It does.
It does, it does.

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It does feel different.
The hypocrisy of eating

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something in front of a child
when you've just told them they

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can't eat the thing because
we're a healthy school and at

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break times you can only have
healthy snacks.

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It just feels.
We're a smart school.

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You got to wait.
I that way.

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That's how we do it.
I'm, I'm, I'm forcing this down.

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You.
You don't, Sir, much.

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It's different.
I mean, I mean, I there's an

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argument to say that probably
you probably will lose respect

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for children in that in that
situation as.

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Well, so so you should so so
Rules should be the same for

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adults and kids.
I don't think it's the worst

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thing in the world in that
situation.

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If the rule was we're going to
enforce this extremely strict

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policy of wearing ties, it would
be a bit hypocritical, wouldn't

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it, of us of a school where you
didn't wear ties as well.

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And we're saying it's smart, but
we're also saying we're dressing

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smart, but we're not choosing to
wear dress with ties.

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I don't think that is a crazy
example of where actually

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probably probably should.
It probably does make sense to

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say if we're going to have that
ridiculously strict rule with

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kids, we probably should do it.
Can you think of an example?

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Now then, when the rules of an
adult don't laugh, don't laugh,

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but you can you think of an
example where that's not the

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case, where you think actually
it doesn't matter, actually, I'm

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gonna enforce this rule, but it
doesn't matter.

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I do a different What would it
be that that would be the case?

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Sure.
It's maybe just like a more

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strict back version of that.
So yeah, the majority of schools

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where it's like we have a
uniform, but it's quite loose.

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What do you mean?
I think uniforms are quite set

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in stone.
What?

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Kind of, I don't think they are
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schools these days it will be
like you just need to have a

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green jumper.
So where some trousers?

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So is it OK for a teacher to not
have a green jumper?

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Yeah.
Why is that different?

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Because the teachers.
Because the teacher uniform

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policy is different.
Yeah, so so is the eating policy

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for children.
Yeah, but, but I don't think

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it's hypocritical that a
teacher, I don't think any, I

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don't think had pupils looking
at a teacher and thinking, oh,

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wow, they don't have to wear a
green jumper, so why should I?

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I don't think they are.
I think they're just thinking,

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oh, they're an adult in smart
dress.

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We have a uniform for a
different reason.

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Teachers don't need a uniform.
They're an adult eating there.

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They don't need to.
They're an adult eating a

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cracker.
We have a Pollock, that's fine.

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We don't need to.
We don't need to a cracker.

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We can tell a bit of fruit.
Maybe, but the whole point of

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healthy eating is we're trying
to promote healthy lifestyle.

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And if we are the if we are the
end game for them.

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Like we're them when they're
older and we're not remotely

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promoting a healthy, healthy
lifestyle in a school where

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we're really strict on healthy
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It does just diminish the whole
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Same for, same for uniform I.
Don't think it does.

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I don't think it diminishes.
I don't think it diminishes the

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point of uniform.
Like it sounds like a lot of

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what people have said when we
talk about uniforms who say

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teachers should be extremely
smart all the time because it's

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the end goal for the kids and
that's what they're aiming to

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get at the end.
I don't.

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I just don't, I don't think.
That's what people have said and

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we've basically said to them,
no, that's fine if you don't

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think they're same.
But I'm, I'm just trying to dig

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in here.
Why are they not the same?

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Because other than I just feel
like they're not or they've just

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not been the same in my
experience ever.

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So therefore literally getting
it down to the bare bones, I

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don't think it's enough to say
that the kids have the strict

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rules, so adults should have the
same strict rule.

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That's not enough of a reason to
do it for me.

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So I'm trying to dig into why
you think it is for that but not

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for something.
Else here's number 4.

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Then do you think it's, do you
think they are of equal

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importance that we get kids to
dress a certain way versus

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getting kids to eat healthily?
No, no.

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So I think we can, I think we
can be significantly more strict

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on one of those things than the
other because one of them

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actually impacts their literal
entire lifestyle and one of them

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is realistically just a clothing
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And the reason we've done it is
so that kids actually there's

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another reason.
No, you're right.

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You're right.
It's so that kids don't know.

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Yeah.
Because it's fair.

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It's fair because.
To be fair, if a kid sees you

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eating an apple at break time,
it definitely means when they go

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home and their parents serve
them dinner it'll be magically

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healthy all the sudden.
That's the wrong way around.

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That's the wrong way around if
kids see me eating a four pack

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of Whisper gold whilst I'm
simultaneously telling the

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importance of being healthy.
Their dinner at home will still

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be the same.
OK.

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But their but their choices
might even change in terms of

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what they think is acceptable if
we can impact them a little bit

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in terms of thinking about being
healthy.

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I agree, by the way, and we
should.

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I agree.
I agree.

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I agree wholeheartedly with like
this whole thing.

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And I've said at the start where
my line was, there is a line.

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I'm just saying, I don't think
it's kind of evolved into do the

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rules have to be the same for
another just because they offer

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a kid and I'd I would reject
that completely.

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The other things you've gone on
to say, like what's more

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important we're trying to do
this that's more of a

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reasonable.
I think they justify a little

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bit more like I think I, I
actually think that's probably

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the only example I can think of
where I'd say I think it's

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acceptable when a school is
quite strict on you have to do

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the same thing as the kids.
I don't I can't actually think

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of any other examples where I
would think that is true.

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It is just for that one.
I think if you and and I don't

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even think that's necessarily
the way to do it.

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I just think if you're in a
school where they say we have

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this really strict healthy
eating policy because we're

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really trying to promote healthy
eating at break time.

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If you've got an unhealthy
snack, please can you just not

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eat it in front of the kids?
Yeah, I think that's completely

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acceptable.
Completely.

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I agree and I don't and I still
stand by the point.

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I just don't think that's the
same as if you're going to wear

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something different or, you
know, hideaway from the children

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because you're not wearing the
same blazer as that must.

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I think it's.
I think you can easily explain

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to a child why the uniform
policy is different between

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adults and children without
diminishing any effects to.

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Them Well, now we've bored
everyone to death.

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Interesting.
Yeah.

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So I think basically eat what
you want to eat, but in front of

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the kids, just be mindful, be a
professional and think, oh, is

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this the best thing to be
modelling to the children?

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Probably not.
Would I?

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Would I swear in front of the
children?

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No, I just swear outside though,
wouldn't I?

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Yes, I would.
Yeah.

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Next one.
I've sent this one in before,

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but I bet you won't answer it.
I think teaching is the most

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ethically dubious job in the
world.

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Do you agree straight away?
Obviously not.

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Do you want me to list more
ethically dubious jobs than than

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teacher?
Right.

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Yeah.
Yeah, you do.

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I can't think of more ethically
dubious.

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OK.
Insurance selling insurance.

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Car salesman completely ripping
off old people just because they

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know they can.
Being a politician.

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Yeah, taking bribes and and and
money for talks with with

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different packs of people who
will influence you in your role.

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Jeff Bezos.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Literally.
There you go.

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There's a few.
So the answer's no.

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We carrying on.
We constantly ignore

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photocopying copyright rules and
copy books so all children have

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extracts.
We constantly use streaming

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sites like Disney Plus that say
not for public use.

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Well, I don't know about
constantly using Disney Plus.

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Yeah, I'll just say hang on a
minute.

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I constantly use Disney Plus
but.

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Yeah, two things.
Well, three things.

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Number one, is it the most
ethically dubious job in the

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world?
Absolutely.

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No, it's not #2 is there an
issue with ignoring copyright

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etcetera?
Yes, huge issue.

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And just the last one very
quickly.

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I've sent this one in before,
but you won't answer it.

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We have literally spoken about
this at least twice in the past.

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So whether it was your exact
question or not, I apologise.

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I apologise.
However, we have absolutely

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talked about this and why
wouldn't we answer it like, Oh

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no, big school is out to get me
because I'm talking about the

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dubious constraints of teaching.
Oh.

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You fall, they reverse
psychology does big hard.

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I bet you want to ask this one.
I bloody well.

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I bloody well.
Oh, I'll answer it now.

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Next week, every question is
going to be bet you won't answer

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this.
I'm gonna answer them all.

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But yeah, for two hours, we, we,
we dropped down an episode

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because we've got so much to do,
but it just hasn't been 4 hours

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long.
I do think though that is

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absolutely true that the
especially copyright and stuff.

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Holy moly.
The amount of times I've heard

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people just say we'll just
upload the PDF of the book to

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the to the shared drive so all
the kids can see it will we

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having bought 1 and therefore
it's used for 100 kids at once.

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That sounds extremely illegal.
Oh, but budgets, budgets are so

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tight.
Oh, is that new rule?

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Is it when budgets are starting,
you've got no money, You can

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break the law, Let everyone
know.

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I'll go and pickpocket someone
because a budget.

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I got to steal this from the
shop.

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OK it.
Gives the same vibe and I feel

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like you'll you'll agree with
this as well in the sats.

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You know what I'm going to say
right?

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In the Sats, I know that child
can do it.

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So I just just gave them a
little nudge in the test so they

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can show they can do it.
It's the same vibe, right?

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Ish.
Like I'd say it's even worse

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than that.
It's like it's basically saying,

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I know this, you can't do it.
There are constraints in place,

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it's hard, you can't do it, so
I'm going to cheat.

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Yeah.
It's even further.

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So yeah, I do think that, and
I've seen it a lot, like, like

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copyright is just genuinely
brushed over so much and people

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justify because, oh, it's for
kids.

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Why a bit?
Don't be a Nancy Fancy saying

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it's copyright.
It's for the kids to help them

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and they're reading.
It's for the kids.

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OK, go outside Waterstones with
your PDF copies and hand them

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out for free and see what
happens.

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I've copied this book that you
could buy inside.

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Everyone can have it.
We've got a kid.

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Yeah.
Yeah, and it's for a school,

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just there are some publishers
out there and some authors out

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there who said you can use this
freely, You can use this freely.

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And it's like the the reason why
that's so good and nice and kind

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is because you shouldn't be
allowed to otherwise.

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And we can, we can go into a
whole debate about what should

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and shouldn't be allowed and
whether it's right or wrong to

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withhold things because of
copyright.

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It's someone's piece of work.
It's a privilege to be chosen,

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to be studied in school.
It means usually that you've

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written an excellent piece of
literature and what, you're

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going to get an 8 LB book sale
because we've just bought one

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off Amazon and then photocopied
onto the drive and printed it

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off.
No, that's like, that's

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unacceptable.
Yeah, I agree.

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What's just What do you think
the solution is?

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Or is it not a solution?
It's just literally schools

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don't have money so let's start
pretending we can get around.

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It you know my solution to this
stuff, if there is no money to

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get around something, it
shouldn't be happening because

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then all that happens otherwise
is we're pretending it's OK.

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Yeah, true.
As as soon, as soon as like

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this, oh, we've got no money for
it, so we're going to have to

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cut, photocopy and pretend it's
not happening.

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Well, then down the line it
would just be like, well, this

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school had been fine teaching
how to train your dragon and

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Vajat Por and all these amazing
novels for these children

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because, well, they've done is
somehow, yeah, because they

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broke the law and and got around
copyright and uploaded the PDF

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of a book they don't own for 100
kids.

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But yeah, I've got.
OK, cool.

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So, oh, what's the answer then?
Because kids have got to do it,

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pay for it.
Then if kids have got to do it.

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I just, I never understand this
argument because there's always

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this line and it's like saying,
oh, but this is something kids

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really need, okay.
As if it's like to suggest you

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should therefore just make it
happen.

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It's like if it is past that
threshold of what kids really

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need, then we should really, we
should be funding it, shouldn't

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we?
Or they don't need it that much.

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Do they need it that much that
is funded?

453
00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,560
No, but they need it that much
that you should still do it.

454
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,400
Incompatible.
Yeah.

455
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,240
It's even needed enough that you
fund it and you make it happen

456
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,400
or you're accepting that it
won't happen.

457
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,160
That grey area, middle ground,
turn the other aisle.

458
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,600
That's I won't look if you won't
look.

459
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,520
I'm looking.
I can barely read the photocopy.

460
00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,560
And that you've done because
it's greyed out half the time

461
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,760
and half the page is missing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,720
And we spent more on paper and
ink than the bloody book.

463
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,000
Oh, my God's sake.
Yeah, There must be a point.

464
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,200
I wonder what it is.
There must be a point in which,

465
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,240
like, if you're doing lots of
lessons on a particular book, if

466
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,760
you keep photocopying the book
lesson 34567 and you think I'm

467
00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,720
not even doing the whole book,
I'm just photocopying all the

468
00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:00,960
bits I need.
There's got to be a point where

469
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,680
it's like even though you only
photocopied 20% it still cost

470
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,920
you more in paper and ink and
your labour time, which we never

471
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,200
take into account, than just
buying those bloody.

472
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,760
Books, Yeah, it's insane.
It's insane.

473
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,920
Look, don't get me wrong there,
there are there are things that

474
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,640
you know, there are, there is
there is actually a grey area

475
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,760
here in terms of I've bought a
book before of Amazon that I

476
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,040
read to my class, right, right.
So, OK, 32 kids are getting that

477
00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,840
story from me.
I didn't buy 32 books, but still

478
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,200
getting that story.
Everyone that's but that's fine.

479
00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,680
That is fine.
Of course you can read a book to

480
00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,960
someone.
When I buy a book for Rory,

481
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,240
right?
We don't buy 2 because there's

482
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,640
two of us listening to it.
I just buy it and we read it and

483
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:39,760
that's fine.
And I can share a book to

484
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,960
someone else, right?
How many books I've had that

485
00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,360
I've given to someone else or
they've given to me that that

486
00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:45,920
is, of course, it's absolutely
fine, right?

487
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,880
But for systemic use in a public
school, a state school, right?

488
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:58,280
It is just not honest to then
physically copy and upload that.

489
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,000
Of course that's a step too far.
If you had one copy of a book

490
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,880
and you read it to the kids and
then you just answer some pre

491
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,000
written questions on the board,
that's fine.

492
00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,800
Exactly.
But we all know as teachers that

493
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,320
you want to give extracts to the
children.

494
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,560
That extract, I'm sorry, it is,
it is copyrighted material.

495
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,480
So yeah, it is ethically
dubious.

496
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,920
It is nowhere near the most
ethically dubious job in the

497
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,440
world.
No, nowhere near.

498
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,280
What if I type up the extract
and I change a couple of words

499
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,720
and say that it's my work?
Yeah, that sounds a lot like

500
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,920
you're a large language model.
Yeah.

501
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,960
Are you an AI?
But.

502
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,640
AI to rewrite the entire story
but changing it by 1%.

503
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,720
Oh dear.
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504
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531
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Now what classroom item will be
the first you would grab in a

532
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,400
zombie outbreak?
That's a really good question.

533
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,280
What are you grabbing first?
Probably a board rubber.

534
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,600
Quite heavy, aren't they?
Order.

535
00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,760
That's rubbish.
OK, go on.

536
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,480
What?
Sorry.

537
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000
I'll grab the AK47.
What do you what do you want me

538
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,440
to say?
I know.

539
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,960
That was going to be my joke.
Ruining that.

540
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,400
Yeah, like a meat.
Stick a meat stick's really

541
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,400
good, actually.
Yeah, that's.

542
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,160
Really sturdy enough, obviously.
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,680
And a lot of my board rubbers
more recently been that foam

544
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,880
that's not going to do anything.
You're going right back to the

545
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,920
50s, aren't you?
Here you have a board rubber

546
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,200
that I love about.
Children's heads, Yeah, Jimmy,

547
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,120
really quite effective, I think
is just the table says they are

548
00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,840
in the room.
But if you if you stand like at

549
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,680
the at the front of the room and
they've got to come through.

550
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,840
The tables are good because I'm
slowing down, but also

551
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,360
inevitably, like I did every
single day of my career, bash my

552
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:38,640
knee into like the side of one
of them.

553
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,080
That that means a dump.
Yeah, exactly.

554
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,040
I'll just get exactly that.
Yeah.

555
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,480
So I think yeah, a metre stick
break off a table leg break off

556
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,760
a table that's like a metre
stick.

557
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,960
Something famously lots of
people can do Yeah, great

558
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,120
advice.
I can yeah.

559
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480
Break off a table leg with a
metre stick There's a video of

560
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,560
me actually doing it as well.
Record.

561
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,800
Is that breaking off?
Sure.

562
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,560
Oh, you're.
Carrying on with this.

563
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,600
Oh, OK, cool.
Staple gun.

564
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,960
That'll do it.
Yeah.

565
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,000
Ah, a zombie ass.
Oh, so you just got me in the

566
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:08,800
night there.
They're eyes.

567
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,680
That's not fair.
She turns around.

568
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,480
Come on.
I don't know.

569
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,280
Their their heads are the weak,
weak spot.

570
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,000
Aren't they in a zombie
apocalypse?

571
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:17,800
Right.
Yeah.

572
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,320
Like imagine now it's an actual
zombie apocalypse, no jokes.

573
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,880
Like genuinely, if you get
caught and bitten you get turned

574
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,120
and eventually the whole world
will turn but you'll try to

575
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,600
survive as long as possible.
How long do you actually think

576
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,040
you'll last?
Because I think you're pathetic.

577
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,560
What pre pre bitter?
You're not saying how long I'd

578
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,600
last.
No, no, no.

579
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,000
So, so let's say we're in this
house now and it's like, oh,

580
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160
it's happened.
It's, it's like, it's like, it's

581
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,800
like the other side of the
country, the other side of the

582
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,000
country.
I reckon I was in that

583
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,680
situation.
I'd probably trip down the

584
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,240
stairs and that's it.
I'm done and.

585
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,680
Then for some reason just turn
into a zombie anyway.

586
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,240
Like I didn't even get a bit.
The zombie had nothing to do.

587
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,560
I just fell down the stairs
because I'm so unfit.

588
00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,880
I don't know how long would I
last?

589
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,200
I reckon I'd be pretty good,
yeah, All the games I've played

590
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,000
over the years.
Yeah.

591
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,360
Do you think that remotely
translates into?

592
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:05,240
Everything.
No, probably not.

593
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,880
No, because I because I don't
think I have like a nine

594
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,480
millimetre gun in my.
Drawer exactly that you just

595
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,560
pick up an Xbox controller and
I've got you and you realise

596
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,760
there's nothing in real life I
don't know I think we'd be

597
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,320
pretty cooked I.
Think so as well, Yeah.

598
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,400
What would you do if you got
bit?

599
00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:19,960
I've always, I always find it.
Interesting, I turn into a

600
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,320
zombie.
I know, but like in the in the

601
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,600
movies, I'm always like, oh,
people always like try to hide

602
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,360
it.
They're like, oh, no, I've been

603
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,440
bitten.
Like because they obviously

604
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,480
can't.
They're denying the fact that

605
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,640
they're about to die.
I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd hide it.

606
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,680
Be a pure narcissist.
Yeah.

607
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,160
Stay in the middle of a big
group, hide it.

608
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Hide it, hide it, hide it.
And then when I'm gone, I'm

609
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:36,680
gone.
So who cares?

610
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,600
I wouldn't know anyway.
Right, and then they've got to

611
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:39,320
deal with you.
Exactly.

612
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,480
OK, I'd probably just for the
lols, bite as many people as I

613
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,960
could like whilst I was still
me.

614
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,240
Imagine if I was a zombie.
Imagine if you got infected from

615
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,280
that and we all get infected.
Oh no, where's that kid?

616
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:57,520
That's really annoying.
So funny, sorry I've been a bit.

617
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,160
I've just got to pop into school
though during this zombie

618
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,840
apocalypse, and I've just got to
see a couple of.

619
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,680
Kids and a few members of
leadership.

620
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:07,520
Not me personally.
This is a joke.

621
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,520
Yes, because I'm a leadership
was actually very lovely.

622
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,720
But yeah, absolutely, I'll come
to your school and do it.

623
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,120
Yeah, give us a list.
There you go, listeners.

624
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,800
Give us a list of people who in
a zombie apocalypse, if we've

625
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,800
been bitten before, we turned in
that sweet spot. 20 minutes.

626
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,080
Who'd you want us to infect?
OK, wowzers.

627
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,600
Right.
So move on to the.

628
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,360
Next question, what's the
quickest you've seen someone

629
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,720
start their career in teaching
and quit?

630
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,280
I once knew an ECT who left
school by the end of the second

631
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,280
week of the 1st.
No, I mean, I can't beat that.

632
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,040
That's crazy.
It's two weeks.

633
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,480
That's that's I've not seen
sooner than that.

634
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,560
The quickest I've actually in
real life worked with someone is

635
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,560
one year yeah, ECT.
And well it was called NQT and

636
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,680
they were just like, Nah, not
for me.

637
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,960
And they stopped.
But I did see a lot of, I think

638
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,840
it's quite hard to get to being
an ECT and then being two weeks

639
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,520
down the line, like, Oh no, this
isn't for me.

640
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,080
Like, I'm not saying that
doesn't happen.

641
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,360
Obviously it does.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

642
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,760
But I, I saw a lot more people
who dropped out in the middle of

643
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,680
training.
Yeah.

644
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,800
Because like training kind of
it, obviously it wasn't the full

645
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040
whack that you end up doing.
I can see why it might be a bit

646
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000
of a culture shock to actually
go into being a full time

647
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,720
teacher and it was for me.
But I found especially during

648
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,720
the PGCAI was I was brought up
to that speed quite quickly and

649
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,280
that process I saw a lot of
people in my course drop out.

650
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,960
Yeah, that's because it's
probably enough, isn't it, to

651
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,720
get up to speed, like you said,
to know if you're going to

652
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,280
immediately not want to do this.
Exactly.

653
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,720
Immediately, like immediately,
yeah, you get an idea because

654
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,920
you're surrounded by the people
who are doing the job full time

655
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,520
and you go to meetings and
stuff.

656
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,640
The only reason I might think
that happens is is more that is

657
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,280
just passed your line for every
reason like that jump up that is

658
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,680
just passed your line.
And just like, Oh my God, I

659
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,360
actually just can't do this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

660
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,560
Or you've got a job in a school
you've not been in before.

661
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,080
It's brand new and it's a, it's
a poorly run school.

662
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,160
And you're just like, oh, this
is much worse than my training

663
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,800
because I trained in a lovely
school and now the expectations

664
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,680
are just through the roof and
it's too much and.

665
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,240
You might have even already been
on the edge, but you're

666
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,440
thinking.
But your lovely school came in

667
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,240
clutch and made you think, oh,
maybe I can do this.

668
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,440
And then that school just
instantly tipped you over the

669
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,080
edge.
You think no way, no way can I

670
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,600
do this?
I've got a lot of respect for

671
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,600
people who do that kind of
thing.

672
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,480
Like, I know the people.
Oh, and you quit.

673
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,800
Teaching is not for everyone.
I've taught for 24 years.

674
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,920
Teaching is not for the weak
hearted.

675
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,480
Shut up, shut.
You must say that when you

676
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,440
because you quit mate.
Yeah, no, yeah, true.

677
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680
But I never said it because, you
know, it's, it's it's it doesn't

678
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,400
mean they're weak, doesn't mean
you're better than them.

679
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,520
They're just, there is such a
smile me like not from everyone.

680
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,560
Don't get me, don't get me
wrong.

681
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,920
But I see, obviously I see a lot
of comments on the stuff we post

682
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,920
on socials.
There's a lot of like, it's not

683
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,040
for everyone.
Like whenever when I said I was,

684
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,720
I was leaving and and one of the
comments was just like, it must

685
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,320
be a good thing because if you
feel like this, well, teaching

686
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,560
is just not for everyone.
It's not for the faint hearted.

687
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,520
And I was just like, shut up.
I could have left.

688
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,800
Four years ago, I could have
left.

689
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Five years ago it was the same
thing where I liked it and I

690
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,160
could have carried on.
I've chosen not to.

691
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,240
Oh, hell ye, O martyr, aren't
you the best thing since sliced

692
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,800
bread?
It's the same kind of attitude

693
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,280
I've got from people who you
know.

694
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,880
I talk about that recent
research last week about how set

695
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,760
can be quite good for children,
right?

696
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Yeah, it can be quite good
people, good teachers bring the

697
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,680
tops up with them in mixed
ability.

698
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,600
Yeah.
Great.

699
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800
Good teachers get even more out
of them when they set as well.

700
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,360
Are we going on just good
teachers for the one you like

701
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,680
and bad teachers are on that?
We don't.

702
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,600
Because if that same good
teacher was in both sets, the

703
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,040
research is saying that you get
more progress at your tops when

704
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,040
they aren't set by ability, by
attainment, that is Exactly.

705
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,240
It doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah.

706
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,440
Yeah, of course.
Do you OK, My someone getting,

707
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,480
getting marked up here?
Someone, someone literally said,

708
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760
you know, we, we do mixed
ability and you should see we've

709
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,160
got 90% expected and greater
depth is through the roof.

710
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,000
It's like, OK, do you think that
if those children who are

711
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,640
greater depth were just on their
own, that you would have fewer

712
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,240
greater depth children?
No, Sounds like you're a

713
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,960
fantastic maths teacher.
They go even further with.

714
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,520
That's the point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,200
Good teachers make mixed ability
work.

716
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,200
Yeah, they do.
They they absolutely do.

717
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,960
There's up and down.
There's so many people listening

718
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,280
right now.
It's the, it's the vast majority

719
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,120
of primary schools do mixed.
Of course good teachers make it

720
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:13,320
work.
Of course they do.

721
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,760
It's not the point.
Like just just to take it as an

722
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,480
opportunity to do a humble brag.
Yeah.

723
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,880
Oh my.
Good teachers also make setting

724
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,320
work.
That was the kind of whole point

725
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,880
of.
That that's exactly it.

726
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,760
It's.
Not just one.

727
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,600
Is and it can be better for this
it can be better.

728
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,000
It's not always.
Worse.

729
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,200
Anyway, back to that one we're
talking about.

730
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,680
ECT's great.
I don't know, end up there.

731
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,880
But yeah, I don't know.
I've got respect for those

732
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,360
people.
Yeah, Going back to something,

733
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,040
I'm maybe going to trigger you
here a little bit.

734
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Even though people are on the
high horse when they say stuff

735
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,440
like it's not for everyone
teaching if we just take out

736
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480
their attitudes and like what
they're trying to get across by

737
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,760
that because they are just
trying to be smart.

738
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,400
I mean, right.
Do you think there is truth in

739
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,480
that though?
Yeah, of course it's not.

740
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,960
For everyone, of course, teach
not for everyone.

741
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,000
But the reason that annoyed me
is because they are basically

742
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,720
saying, therefore it's not for
you.

743
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360
And it's like I absolutely in
some time my life will go back

744
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,280
to teaching and teaching is for
me.

745
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,800
And if I continued teaching, it
wouldn't be like it's either for

746
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,520
me or not, whether I've quit or
not, right?

747
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,040
So I could have stayed in the
role and is that person saying,

748
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760
Oh, now it is for me, like I'm
exactly the same teacher I would

749
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,520
have been.
So my point with that is like,

750
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,400
it's it's basically saying if
you do make that decision to

751
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560
change queries or quit teaching
wasn't for you, then it's not

752
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,480
your calling.
It's not essentially saying not

753
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880
what you're good at.
No, no, that's that's what

754
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,840
that's what frustrated me
because absolutely right.

755
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,480
Teaching isn't for everyone.
Completely right.

756
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
But you can't just say therefore
it's not for you because of.

757
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,040
That situation, they're assuming
that everyone that quit is

758
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,680
because they're worse teachers
than they are.

759
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,160
Yeah, exactly.
You couldn't handle.

760
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,640
It and I hacked it and you
couldn't.

761
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,560
It's like I you don't know that
you've no idea like I I did hack

762
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,360
it and could hack it talk for 10
years, right?

763
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,600
If I couldn't hack it, I
wouldn't have done 10 years, me

764
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,320
doing me doing 11 years or me
doing 6 years and me doing 15

765
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,920
years.
There's not a level of hack that

766
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200
I couldn't take anymore.
It was just simply that I didn't

767
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,480
want to the.
Perfect scenario would be

768
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,680
someone who's quit teaching and
the other person that says this

769
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,280
doesn't know what they're quit
teaching for and they've gone to

770
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,080
quit teaching to do some like
150 KA year job like crazy job.

771
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480
And it's like yeah, no, no, no,
I quit because I can earn it

772
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,200
significantly more over here.
It's not because I couldn't do

773
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,280
teaching.
I've gone to do this other job.

774
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Actually shut up.
You couldn't handle it which

775
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Which?
Is not what I did I.

776
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,360
Like to dream, I like.
To dream right next one.

777
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
I don't know who's it is to read
Adam, but go for it.

778
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,560
I'm going to read it anyway.
It's been years since I've seen

779
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,440
anyone buy a copy of Tez.
Oh, the magazine.

780
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,400
What does Tez stand for?
I was just thinking Tez CEST.

781
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,480
It's got to be a teacher
teachers teachers excellent

782
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,680
survey teachers education
service the excellent why do I

783
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,720
not know the.
Service.

784
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Anyway, you look at us, I keep
reading and to my knowledge no

785
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,640
one ever reads those magazines
that the trade unions send out.

786
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,080
That is so true.
I'm not going to lie.

787
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Mine much straight into the bin.
Is there a print that print

788
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,800
media that you can recommend for
teachers that is actually any

789
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,840
good?
And while we're at it, can you

790
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,600
tell me all of the good teaching
podcasts and websites for news?

791
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Because I am a massive nerd when
it comes to teaching.

792
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Well, firstly, we were miles
off.

793
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,760
We were miles off.
Tez stands for Times Educational

794
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Supplement of.
Course it does, because it's

795
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,680
from the.
Yeah, yeah, I do.

796
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,680
You know what?
I know it's classic to say when

797
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,800
someone reads it, you're like,
you know.

798
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,600
I knew that.
No, yeah, I'm not going to say

799
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,560
that because it's annoying, but
as soon as you said that, I was

800
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,520
like, of course it's the times.
I knew.

801
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,360
I knew.
It was the Times.

802
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,920
Which I also knew for sure.
Anyway, back to the.

803
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Question.
OK, Yeah, you went to question.

804
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Can you tell me all the good
teacher podcasts?

805
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Well, you press play on one.
There's loads out there.

806
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,760
To be fair though, teacher Tap
did that survey recently.

807
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,880
So go and see teacher Tap.
We were second in primary

808
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Primary podcast just.
Get that in there.

809
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Who?
Who was first?

810
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Ellen.
Don't know, don't remember.

811
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,200
Can't remember.
I don't remember if it was the

812
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
two Mr PS or not, I don't.
Remember, it was the biggest

813
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,840
podcast that we've all known in
the podcast for the last 10

814
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,080
years. #2 that was good.
Like, I'm not even digging

815
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560
anyone out now before anyone
because people always assume I'm

816
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,320
digging people out, but I'm not.
I see so many podcasts pop up

817
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,360
and go and pop up and go and pop
up and go.

818
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800
I am actually quite proud of
what we've built.

819
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,480
So well done.
Yeah, big time free time.

820
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,240
I'm really proud as well.
Like I like we've slogged at

821
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,320
this.
To be fair, we've put some

822
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,440
serious time into it.
We.

823
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,280
No, I'm joking.
Actually, there's only so many I

824
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,760
can edit before you stop.
Playing and do you do?

825
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,920
I'm in the bar.
But anyway, like you said, like

826
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,400
loads of podcasts come and go,
we've seen lots set up and when

827
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,440
we've met people on the way,
like we've got our friends up in

828
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,720
Scotland, teacher of Mrs F and
organised educators.

829
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,800
Well, to me, to me it's Laura
and Laura and Davis, Lauren

830
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,800
Davis.
Sorry, Lauren, David, my

831
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,680
friends.
Inside Voices and I know they've

832
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,080
just built a whole new studio
for their podcast, so go and

833
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,600
check them out.
And also just, you know, whilst

834
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,640
we're just.
After you've watched that one.

835
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,400
After you've.
Watched that one.

836
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,320
Obviously whilst I've been nice,
I've got that Teacher Tap list

837
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,080
up, so here's some other ones
that I I haven't listened to all

838
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,880
of these, but Teacher Tap have
said that they are.

839
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,720
When you say I haven't listened
to all of them, yeah.

840
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Be honest, OK, I don't listen
you.

841
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,840
Don't listen to podcasts.
I'm just trying to be kind

842
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,200
there.
Right?

843
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,960
So obviously, yeah.
And 22 Mr Peas in the pod.

844
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,240
We know that.
And ask come a second.

845
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,680
Woo Hoo.
But thinking deeply about

846
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,240
primary education.
I heard a lot of people mention

847
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,640
that one.
Yeah.

848
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920
That'll be good, especially for
this person they really dive

849
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,400
into like a. 100% they behave
for me.

850
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,240
Mr Barton's podcast and Mind the
Gap all came in for the

851
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,520
secondary teachers top
favourites for podcasts and

852
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,640
yeah, that was it.
That was the whole list.

853
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,920
So yeah, go and check them out.
Why not?

854
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,960
So nonchalant, baby.
Yeah.

855
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,360
Me being Chalant.
Can you be chalant?

856
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Chalant.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of that

857
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,080
lately.
Nonchalant is like, you don't

858
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,760
care.
Me being Chalant is like what?

859
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,320
Yeah, I do care.
I care about everything, Isn't

860
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,120
it?
Timothy Chalant?

861
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,520
Timothy Chalant Malay.
Yeah, some of that, yeah.

862
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,200
OK.
All right.

863
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,080
So there's quite a few there
just very, very, very, very,

864
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,120
very quickly on websites.
I think Schools Week is

865
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,960
phenomenal.
I love Schools Week.

866
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,040
I get, I get most of my news
from there for education.

867
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,680
I've also set up like a little
alert notification every day.

868
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840
It comes through like top
education, like articles.

869
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,640
So that's that's cool because it
just, it just keeps you up to

870
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,040
date basically, which can be
hard to fall behind.

871
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,159
Definitely.
Last question, what's your

872
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,080
opinion on people with life
experience of SEND?

873
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,719
For example being autistic,
working as SEND support staff

874
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,199
but without an official
qualification?

875
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,920
That's that's an odd one.
Is is the question like

876
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,920
basically is it, is it, are they
then qualified because?

877
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,040
The question what's your
opinion?

878
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,320
Well.
Yeah, but it's just it's like,

879
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,840
is that the loadedness of it?
Like if to me it just feels

880
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,320
black and white, like we just
need the qualification.

881
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,800
Like, yeah, definitely.
Like I don't, I don't want to

882
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,719
say I don't care if they've got
this SND because I'm sure lived

883
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,360
experience obviously had like in
all walks of life, experience is

884
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,600
obviously useful in terms of
imparting wisdom and teaching

885
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,480
other people.
But end of the day, the

886
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,800
qualifications, the
qualification.

887
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,719
Yeah, you can learn more about
it and become an expert like I I

888
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,639
don't necessarily think that
just because you have SEND it,

889
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,840
like for example if you are
autistic, it does not mean you

890
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,680
understand all autism.
Yes, I think that's kind of.

891
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,200
What I think so, so like it is
in it is in the same way that a,

892
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,080
let's say a neurotypical teacher
can learn about how to support

893
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,160
children with different needs,
then someone who does have

894
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480
experience with SEND themselves
can also learn about all of the

895
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,640
children's needs.
There might be some overlap

896
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,760
where you go, oh, actually I
went through this as well.

897
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,920
I struggled with this and you
struggled with this that that

898
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,840
bond can be quite, you know,
positive for the child

899
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,200
especially and and the the the
assistant can really impart

900
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,400
their knowledge there and help
them.

901
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Yeah, of course.
But like overall as a role, we

902
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,960
can't just match people up with
exactly the same exactly.

903
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:37,680
So like in general, if you are
SND support staff, I do think

904
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,600
that that a qualification is
something that is really good,

905
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,120
not just for you as a person,
but for the children you'll be

906
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,000
working with.
We can't just hang our hat on

907
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
the hope that your lived
experience is exactly what their

908
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,120
children.
That's that's the answer, isn't

909
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,720
it?
The whole point of the

910
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,240
qualification is to broaden your
understanding of everybody else.

911
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:56,240
It's like, OK, if if the if the
comparison was like, would you

912
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:59,040
rather have someone if they're
they're both unqualified and one

913
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,240
person has a bit of lived
experience that might overlap

914
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:02,720
with some of these children, The
other one has none.

915
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,680
Like like it just seems like a
silly.

916
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Question almost.

917
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,400
It's like, well, they're not
really that.

918
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,000
Like you want the qualification.
That's the whole point, yeah.

919
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Of course, of course, of course,
and you might, you might

920
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,920
definitely, you might have a
preference there that makes more

921
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,240
sense.
But at the end of the day, my,

922
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,760
my personal opinion is that if
you're working with children

923
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,400
with these needs, then you
should be qualified in, you

924
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,880
know, delivering those needs.
There's a whole another

925
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,000
conversation in here about what
the qualification looks like,

926
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,800
what kind of role they might
have, what kind of salary they

927
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,840
might be on all of this.
We don't need to get into that

928
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,040
right now, but it comes down to
the nitty gritty of I think

929
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,600
qualifications in specific parts
of education like this are

930
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,840
beneficial for everyone.
Wider point, it is nice, isn't

931
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,280
it, in general, when you can
bond over a lived experience of

932
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,000
a kid, like if you struggle with
something.

933
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,600
So I totally understand it
because I can imagine some

934
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,720
people listening, thinking, oh,
I've got this person at my

935
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,000
school who's who's incredible
because they struggled when they

936
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,680
were a kid with all of these
things in in their life.

937
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,840
And actually having having gone
through that, they can say to

938
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,960
their children, oh, when I was
young, like I also really

939
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,720
struggle with this.
And that's obviously really

940
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,240
good.
But yeah, like I just don't

941
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,240
think it Trump's.
I'm still come keep coming back

942
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,880
around to it because I'm like,
is there a situation where

943
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,040
Trump's having a qualification?
I don't I don't think so.

944
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,240
I don't think so.
No, I, I think what comes at the

945
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,800
top layer is do you think that
that role should have a

946
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
qualification or not?
Yeah, if the answer is yes, then

947
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,560
it's, it's like it's, it's a
separate conversation, a

948
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,720
predecessor.
However, if your answer's no to

949
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,720
that, if your answer is no, I
don't think you need

950
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,000
qualifications for this role.
Actually, I think that this

951
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,560
person becomes maybe more
favourable.

952
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Yeah, sure.
Because then it's just like,

953
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,200
well, actually do you know what,
Even if it's just a few children

954
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,480
rather than all the children
they work with, there might be

955
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,120
some kind of benefit there.
Oh, but I think there's so many

956
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
other parts of the role as well
that are just, you know, sharing

957
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,760
of the experience.
You could both be unqualified,

958
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,120
but the other person have way
more in terms of their ability

959
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,480
to fulfil the wider role of the
job.

960
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Sure.
So obviously, yeah, we can't, we

961
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,720
can't just, we can't just employ
people.

962
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,240
I think off the fact that
they've gone through something

963
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,280
when they were younger.
I think there's way more that

964
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,320
has to go into it.
That's my personal opinion.

965
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,440
All right, let's finish up
there.

966
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,600
Dylan, we've done all our
questions this week.

967
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480
We actually actually managed to
do them all and didn't leave

968
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,120
anything next week that we
sometimes forget.

969
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,320
Anyway, those of you are doing
SAS this week, I hope it's all

970
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,720
going well.
Dylan, any advice?

971
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:05,720
Don't.
Cheat.

972
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,960
It's very tempting, isn't it?
A little tappy tappy tappy.

973
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,920
Rubbie.
Rubbie, rubbie.

974
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,720
No, don't cheat.
Oh, but pressure from the top.

975
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,920
You're a grown adult.
Don't cheat, don't cheat.

976
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,240
Just go and photocopy some books
instead.

977
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,280
So you can use them with.
Your for your next English unit.

978
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Maybe it is the most morally
dubious job in the world.

979
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, guys, yeah, that that's

980
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,160
plenty worse that you could do,
but.

981
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,480
You know, you know what they
say, don't you?

982
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,280
There's plenty more fish in the
sea.

983
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,200
See you next time.