Ep 129: Answering Your Questions: Teaching Abroad, After-School Clubs & Working Through Summer

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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My name is Dylan and my name's

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Hayden.
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First question, have you left

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her?
And I'm joking.

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First question for one of our
lovely listeners.

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How do I get it out of weekly
extracurricular after school

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clubs without being looked down
on by other teachers?

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Oh, that's a good one, isn't it?
It's clearly a listener because,

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you know, we often talk about
you don't need to do extra

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things outside of your contract.
But it does come with, if you

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work in one of those schools
where everyone else is doing it.

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It it's tricky.
I think it's, I feel like I

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don't have loads to say here
because if it was me, I'd just

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be like, yeah, go over it.
Yeah.

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I'd just be like, yeah, sorry,
this is my contract.

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I'd remind everyone else around
me if they really needed to hear

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it.
Sorry, this just reminding you,

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this is my contract, this is
extra.

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Feel free to do it if you want
to, but I actually can't commit

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to that, so don't worry about
it.

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And almost like you've kind of
just got to brush it off.

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Yeah, it's it's easier said than
done.

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I get, I get why people ask
these kind of things because

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it's it's not nice in your place
of work to be looked down upon.

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Like it's so easy for us to sit
here sometimes and say, well,

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actually it's in black and
white.

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You don't have to do this thing.
In reality, when you're one of a

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team of 15 and literally 14 of
the rest of them are doing

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something, it it's like, sure,
you could argue, OK, I don't

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need to do this because of my
contract.

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And they might be like, OK, and
then really look down on you.

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Yeah.
And then treat you differently.

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Yeah.
And your day-to-day life is

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worse.
Oh.

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Union Rep are, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, it's true.
And it can be really hard.

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And sometimes I understand that
when people say it's easier for

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me just to fall in line.
And do you know what I I can't

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sit here and say to you?
It's not because it might be for

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you.
It literally might be easier for

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you.
And you might literally have a

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better life in general if you
just fall in line and do these

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things.
I think it's really sad.

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Yeah, I don't like that that's
the case.

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But like my, my mantra is the
same as you.

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I'd say to this person, if the
if your aim is to not be looked

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down on by someone, I think you
just have to ask yourself why

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they're looking down on you.
And if it was a multiple, like

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other kind of scenarios where
they're looking down on you for

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a reason that you don't care
about, you'd be like, well,

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that's your.
Problem Yeah, I agree.

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It's almost not about navigating
them trying like trying to work

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around them so they don't look
down on you or not anymore.

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It's almost like if they're
looking down at you on this

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thing, should you really care
about it?

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Yeah, it's, it was almost a
wider thing.

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And it does sound like it's
like, Oh yeah, just do this

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thing that everyone obviously
wants to be able to do is really

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hard to do and just not care
about something.

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But it is a, it is a bigger
question, I think than maybe we

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thought.
We, I recently did a post online

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about do you remember that that
list of 23 administrative tasks

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that was it was the workload
reduction task force.

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They recommended these as being
put into their teachers paying

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conditions document.
The government accepted it back

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in 2024 and it's a whole list of
things teachers shouldn't do.

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And it it goes from like
printing pictures for evidence

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in books looks all the way up to
like displays.

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And I posted it and it got a
good, good reception.

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A lot of people are like, well,
have you seen this before?

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Some people still hadn't seen
it.

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And I feel like this kind of
comes into that because it's the

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same kind of conversation where
people were saying, oh, I kind

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of agree with what you're saying
here.

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Yeah, I kind of get that.
But who's going to do this if if

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you don't?
And there has to come a point

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where you say, no one.
Who's going to do that club if

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you don't do it?
No, No one.

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Yeah, I don't Maybe.
Do you want to come in?

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You want to?
Yeah.

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Is it that important?
Rather than me volunteering, do

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you want to go in and volunteer?
I don't mind.

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Well, I'm already doing a club.
Why don't you do a club as well?

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Because it's volunteering.
Yeah.

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It's.
That's not how life works.

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Like you don't have to force
someone to do something.

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And anyway, that list is really
interesting because there's

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still some people out there
who'll say, yeah, but someone's

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got to do the displays.
And I'm like, no, they don't.

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They don't have to.
They can do.

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And you can do displays if you
want to.

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But if you're looking down on
someone who's adhering to their

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workplace contract and not going
above and beyond that, that's

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kind of on you.
Yeah.

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And it's not the fault of the
person who's deciding to have

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boundaries.
Yeah, No, I agree.

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And I think another element to
that is people often think in

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absolutes.
I always find that it's always

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like, no, it's either this end
of the spectrum or that end.

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And sometimes there is just,
there is a space for a

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conversation of, yeah, but what
if a school looked at that and

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we're like, OK, we're working
towards this.

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And we've just cut our, we've
cut our expectations of how many

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displays are up by like 75%.
That's still to me like a really

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positive step.
So OK, OK, fine.

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But we don't have to do 6
displays a year now like you

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have to change them every term.
We just do them once a year.

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And, and it's, there's a middle
ground there where this, this

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document, it could not be met,
but still be quite positive or

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at least on the in the right
direction, you know what I mean?

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And that's also worth
celebrating.

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Completely because a few people
replied to me and said my school

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just dismissed this and I was
like OK well that to me is the

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red flag if your school looks at
it and goes wow this is tricky

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this is going to be hard to
actually implement and because

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funding is so tight and we don't
have the staff to do it but OK,

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how about this and.
Exactly the start of the

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conversation.
How about staff?

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I'm really sorry I haven't got a
solution right now because our

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budgets are all spent for the
next year and we just can't

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switch things around this
easily.

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I know our policy so far has
been you need to change all of

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your displays every time, but
how about this, You're all going

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to get a morning out now at the
start of the year and you do

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displays once and then we just
have to keep it like that.

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I'm really sorry because I know
this guidance says teachers, you

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don't have to do displays, but
I'm just trying to find a middle

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ground for now.
Thanks.

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Thanks.
School completely.

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That's how you work together.
Yeah, absolutely.

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I think that's that's more
realistic, isn't it?

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And I think that's fair.
And like I said, one of the

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things was, could your teacher
drop something else?

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Then if this is that important
that a teacher needs to do it,

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could they drop something else?
Yeah.

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And if the answer's no, then
this is the least important

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thing that they shouldn't do.
Yeah, then it gets dropped.

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And if the answer's yes, then
something else gets dropped.

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So, you know, it's like you have
to ask yourself these questions

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and ultimately is down to time.
If it's having an impact, if you

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if you are asking your staff
unreasonably to do jobs that

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aren't part of their curriculum
and it's going to have an impact

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on the important part of their
job.

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Like, for example, I spend less
time planning because I spent

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more time doing admin stuff.
Yeah, that's not good.

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No, as a as a teacher, our time
is best spent in the roles that

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we're qualified to do.
Yeah, I agree.

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Not in bulk photocopy.
I agree.

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I agree.
Anyway, let's move on to another

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one.
This one really made me laugh.

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I can't ever tell you apart when
you're talking on the post.

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Please come on if you start
doing an accent.

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Oh, crikey, man, I don't know
about that.

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I don't think I can do it.
Well, I've got a request because

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I actually messaged this person
back immediately laughing, and I

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said any accent requests.
Yeah.

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So they have asked specifically
Hayden for us to do a Welsh

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accent.
Oh my gosh.

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But can I do Welsh from Wales?
I'm from Wales.

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Thank you, Dylan.
I'm from Wales.

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I literally can't say anything
other than Wales.

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I was going to say why when you
ask someone to do an accent,

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it's the first question.
The first sentence they do is

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always I'm from this place.
I'm from Scotland, I'm from

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Scotland, that's all I can see
from Scotland.

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We are going to be offending
people in one line after the

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next year.
I'm a bit annoyed that you

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didn't pick up on my Australian
accent, which was flawless at

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the start, but you know, fair
play.

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Can you do South African?
South African, yeah, I can do a

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bit of South African.
That's not bad, that's not too

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bad.
That's not bad, that's not too

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bad, is it?
Maybe I'll do that from now on.

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OK, I'd stop there though stop
on your head got a bit worse

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this time when I'm so can you
just like cycle through these

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the rest of.
Yes, Yeah, yeah, I think, I

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think I'll do.
That right.

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Anyway, next question.
When you started the podcast,

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did you expect to still be doing
it 2 1/2 years later?

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Oh, you'll see.
No, stop.

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I don't know where that's meant
to be.

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I was going into Russia.
It's a Russian, well, you know,

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from Russia.
We.

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We do podcast whatever I I do
think retention is quite

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important on the podcast.
So let's go.

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Let's.
Make sense?

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I've done.
None.

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No to yeah, in all honesty, kind
of yeah.

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I don't.
I was really like big headed

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like, yeah, I expected to be
here.

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But yeah, as with a lot of
things we do, I'm sort of like,

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I don't want to do things unless
I'm properly committing to them.

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So yeah, I was, I very much
thought if we're starting this,

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we're going to take it
seriously.

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It's going to take us at least a
year to get good at it and know

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what we're doing and build up an
audience, which is exactly what

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we've done.
Like we had a lot of big plans

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at the start.
We were like, episode 1 is like,

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yeah, we're going to get
audiences writing in.

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They can be telling us our
funniest stories in school.

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And then like episode 2, we were
like, yeah, so write in.

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And obviously we had about four
listeners at that point.

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No one wrote in.
And then we just kind of bend

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off audience participate
participation segments.

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So I'm really, really genuinely
so happy we're here now because

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I love doing this sort of stuff.
I want to talk to you guys and

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answer your questions and just
have a bit of banter.

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Yeah, 100%.
It's it's so nice to be that

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position where I can just back
up a story and you guys have

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given us such a good questions
we're going to go through right

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now.
So yeah, also answering that

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question.
I actually did think we would, I

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thought we'd do it properly.
It's the kind of thing where

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you're like you, if you're going
to start something like this

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kind of podcast, you have to do
it long term because it's so

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easy to start a podcast and
become, you know, disengaged by

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it or like, oh, gosh, we haven't
got the listeners or I'm talking

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about anything.
Now, if you do any kind of side

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hustle that we talked about as a
teacher, maybe you start doing

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tutoring on the side or just
bits and bobs, you start social

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media and you feel like it's
really slow at the start.

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So yeah, it's going to be that
is going to happen.

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And you have to just keep doing
it and keep doing it.

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One, because you get better,
like I said.

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And two, because the more you do
it, the more chances you have to

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get lucky.
And I'm a big, big believer.

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And you make your own luck when
people say, oh, you're just so

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lucky, aren't you?
Just lucky that you've got this

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big audience now on social media
and you've got all this

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following and you've got a
responsibility to be all this

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and that?
No, I don't.

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I can do.
I can do whatever I want because

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the reason we have this
following is because of what we

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said in the first place.
I want more of this, by the way,

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my one of my favourite things
that you've got into the habit

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of doing at the moment is is
just mocking the people who mock

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us.
Yeah, I know.

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That's love it when you put your
voice.

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So negative.
How?

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How on earth else are we
supposed to encourage people?

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And people just think teachers
are moaners because what?

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What do you want me to do?
Would you mean to suddenly stop

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doing what I've done for 2 1/2
years and all the people listen

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to us because we're realistic?
Yeah.

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Winds me up.
Anyway.

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Did we still think we'd be doing
it to our physiator?

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The only thing I thought at this
point is we would get to a we're

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like, what do we do next week?
Yeah, yeah.

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What on earth do we talk about?
Somehow, there's always

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something to talk.
About global fame, there's a lot

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to you, isn't it?
It allows you to.

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Is it global fame?
You know when we have like 1

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listener from various random
countries?

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Oh yeah, yeah, I think the the
list, we were really obsessed by

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that list earlier.
We were like 4 weeks in and we

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were like we're, we're in 13
countries.

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Oh.
Someone from Lithuania is.

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Listening, it's just some of the
VPN and Mauritius probably

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they're actually down the road.
Probably, Yeah, yeah, maybe we

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should get the list up and and
the goal in the episode is to do

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an the accent for every single.
Country.

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Yeah.
And get cancel?

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Probably.
Yeah, probably.

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Can't wait for that one.
So yeah, it's a long slog.

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I love it.
Yeah, I enjoy it.

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We're going to keep going.
Yeah, we're here to stay as

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well.
Stick around.

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But it's loads of big glance.
And you can review it as if you

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want to just saying.
Oh, for free.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
absolutely free.

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Wow.
Right.

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This next one.
I love our listeners and I

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don't, I don't want to mock
them.

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I really don't.
I don't, I really don't.

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I love them.
And this particular person who

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wrote this in has has messaged
us quite a bit and it's quite

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involved in the podcast.
But all I'm going to say is it's

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just not.
It's not a question, it's a last

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question.
It's not a question, but it

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really made me laugh.
I don't know why.

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It just really, really made me
laugh.

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So we're talking about end of
term gifts.

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OK so as an end of term gift
from my current class, one kids

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parent gave me a slow cooker.
Sorry, is that is that the end

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as well?
So it's not actually a question

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at all.
It's just just confession.

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How funny is that?
What a gift though, How you do

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love a slow cooker, especially
the teacher.

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Whack it in the morning, go to
a.

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Little Billy gives you a bag of
minstrels.

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Oh, thanks, man.
I really appreciate that.

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Little Jimmy's giving you a
little handmade card and a

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little frame thing.
Thank you.

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So to take the penny to the
card, it's really thoughtful.

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What?
Betty over there.

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What have you got?
The Betty?

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Yeah, we're better.
Yeah, clearly the link there.

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So what have you got in that
massive?

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Oh, it's a slow cooker.
Mum got it for you.

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Oh, thank you.
I actually really wanted one of

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them.
Thank you.

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But it's.
Genuinely a good gift, aren't

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you?
Yeah, it's great.

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It's slow.
Good.

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Even better if it was filled.
He added like a broth.

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Yeah.
So kind of stuff really made me

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laugh.
I just thought it's funny.

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What's the best end of time gift
you've got?

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Because now we're like, we've
left the classroom.

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Everyone knows this.
And when you're in the

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classroom, you have to really
step around or I can't talk

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about end of time gift because
it's not very.

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I know.
Look, listen.

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Yeah.
OK.

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No, no teacher actually expects
gifts.

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We're not really there going.
Oh, I hope he gets me a good 10.

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Rubbing my hands together.
Yeah, yeah.

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But it's obviously nice when
people give you stuff hard.

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To top it though, when you've
had a good one, yeah, oven.

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Got an oven?
Full size oven.

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Dutch and Hob get brought in.
Dutch and Hobbs, everything nice

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on a fully fitted kitchen.
Yeah, actually go to my house

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and add me with Wicks, new table
tops and a chicken inside, fully

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cooked, roasted.
It was lovely actually.

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Personal chef, actually.
For lunch.

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Yeah, yeah, Personal chef came
with it.

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One week subscription.
Got the T-shirt this time.

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Up for a year though.
Pay for pay for a while.

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Then oh man, in all seriousness,
do I have a best gift?

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Probably don't have a best gift.
There's lots of nice gifts when

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I when I left teaching the kids
maybe this lovely massive photo

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frame of like a tree in it and
they all put their fingerprints

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on it and wrote me messages.
That was really nice.

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Like I'll keep that that'll
that'll be going up on the wall

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somewhere.
They're.

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Behind us in the podcast.
Maybe.

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Yeah, could do.
Yeah, for that third camera we

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don't use.
No.

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Oh, everyone could not look at
it.

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Yeah, everyone cannot see that
because.

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It's out of shop, and if you
don't watch it because it's a

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podcast another day, Yeah, you
don't see it anyway.

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Yeah, it's all good.
It's all yeah, if you switch.

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Oh, I'll have a look at that.
Switch it on.

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Still can't see it.
When you go into a teacher's

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house, though, right, You do you
like tend to within 5 seconds

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see something that was bought
for you as a gift.

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Like I go into your house.
Yeah.

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I walk into your office.
There's like a trophy up there.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And then walk into your bedroom,

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There's a there's a cushion with
your initial on it, then you'll

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give.
And you walk into my kitchen,

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there's the oven.
So, you know, it's just, it's

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endless, isn't it?
2 Mr Siemens from Betty Crocker.

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OK.
All right.

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And that that student, Armitage
Shanker, you're a nice tap put.

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You a tap.
I got a toilet.

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Find me what I'm saying I've.
Actually taught ninja.

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I've got the whole set in my
kitchen.

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You're a Ninja Man.
Oh, no.

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But it it, it does stick with
you, though, And I've got

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certain things.
I've still got a chopping board

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from sticking with kitchen.
Sticking with kitchen.

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Things that's true.
Though that's real chopping

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board from like 20/16/2017.
Yeah, from a kid.

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And it's still downstairs.
That's nice.

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Yeah.
And I still use it.

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So thank you, that child.
I appreciate that very much.

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Loads of gifts, not one better
than the other.

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It's a disclaimer.
Please don't hate me because I'm

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talking about gifts.
Don't expect them.

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Right.
That's what.

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There's nothing but those lazy
lefty beta teachers.

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All they want to do is just do
nothing all year, scroll on

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TikTok and then get the gifts at
the end.

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Don't buy me a gift there.
I couldn't care less.

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I wouldn't want my child to be
taught by this teacher.

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I don't want to teach your child
either.

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OK.
All right.

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There we go.
How's that feel?

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Anyway, next question.
Dive into the really important

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things now.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Should the date be written 1.8

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dot 24 or 01 .08 dot 24?
Neither 01.08 dot .2024.

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Oh, the whole date.
Oh, there by you.

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Last year, family as well for
some reason.

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Yeah, it's last year.
Yeah, the specific date, 1st of

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August 2024, very important.
And this can't be serious.

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No, I think, I think, I think
again, you know, some people

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have this thing where they write
the zeros in.

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They don't write the zeros in
there.

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Yeah, yeah.
I think what this is going to

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get at in general is when you
have really massively over

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prescriptive rules in your
classroom that you've got to

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follow that are genuinely
pointless.

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I've got a rule for you right
now.

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If you're listening and you work
in a school what that they would

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actually tell you off if you
didn't write the short date in

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either the zero format or not.
You need to leave that school.

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What are they talking about?
I don't think even I'm

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consistent.
I reckon if you came to a room

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there's a 50% chance I've
written it either way based on

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my mood.
Yeah, I like, is it a dash date?

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Yeah.
Is it a dot date?

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Yeah, Yeah.
I don't know, Forward slash

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dashes seem more old school,
seem more like if I'm feeling

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like I'm gonna have a whiteboard
day where I'm just doing my own,

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you know, ad Lib stuff.
Yeah, might do a dash.

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Yeah, I know.
I'm definitely a dot man.

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Yeah, yeah, I haven't dashed in
years.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I just did point at the

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point system in terms of when
you're doing decimals, you

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can't, I can't believe we're
actually.

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Talking about this, I know.
Do you think that we should

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bother writing the date down?
So when you start a lesson, for

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most teachers, you start off
with the date and the learning

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objective or whatever you might
call it, right?

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Yeah, there's a lot of
discussion about the learning

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objective and how it can be
quite pointless to write down

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yadda yadda yadda.
What's the point to get to your

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learning, do you think?
Do you think the date is

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important?
I don't think so unless you're

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writing the long date.
The only distinguishing thing I

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have is teachers that are
obsessed with you have to write

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the long date and if someone
wrote the short dates like no

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cross that out.
Write the long day, mate.

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The date is not for the kids,
the date is for us.

453
00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,120
Is it not for the kids a bit
though, in terms of like

454
00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,920
practising, you know, practising
getting the spelling right of

455
00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,400
the days of the week, of the
months of the year and capital

456
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,960
letters and things like that.
Because I'm very much when, when

457
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,400
the kids are writing the long
day, I am very much making them

458
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,360
think of how do you spell
Wednesday?

459
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,120
How do you spell, you know,
November?

460
00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,520
Is there a capital letter at the
front?

461
00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,680
Like it's a, it's a learning
opportunity for that, But like,

462
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,800
is that important to do?
Everything and I think I think

463
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,880
that's a that's a secondary
thing that we use to like

464
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,960
justify it maybe when really
that wasn't the purpose.

465
00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,640
I think people, I think the
reason people write dates is

466
00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,800
because I think because we are
set, we're told, oh, you have to

467
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,680
write the date all the time.
If you really think about it,

468
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,560
OK, I can practise right on
Wednesday another time.

469
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,079
Do they need to practise right
on Wednesday once a week, every

470
00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,119
single week of their some career
at school?

471
00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,200
Maybe.
But like, I'm sure that I'm sure

472
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,680
there are other words as well
that could be doing with that

473
00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,359
practise that we don't we just
don't remotely build in the

474
00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,400
system for.
I think the short date is

475
00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,480
absolutely fine.
If the whole point of the date,

476
00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,599
which to me is, is literally for
the adults, is so that when we

477
00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,359
look through the books
occasionally we just have some

478
00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,960
reference point of, Oh yeah,
they did this back in, back in

479
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,319
December.
It's not for the kids, don't

480
00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:26,880
really.
Need it.

481
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,480
It's not for the kids.
Then should we be getting the

482
00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,400
kids to do it?
Well, I think because writing

483
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,880
the short date takes literally 5
seconds, then I don't really

484
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,880
mind.
It's when people are saying we

485
00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,400
have to write the long date, but
only for the purpose of this.

486
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,880
I'm like, yeah, you're just
wasting time now in the same way

487
00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,000
you're wasting time for the
yellow.

488
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,280
But maybe some teachers do use
it.

489
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,880
Like I in all honesty, I have
actually, there's been at least

490
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,280
one time in my career I've said
to kids and it has been helpful

491
00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,280
to have the date.
Oh, turn back to the lesson we

492
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,040
did on so and so date because
it's got something useful in it,

493
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,520
maybe in English, like something
we did for to help with their

494
00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,560
writing.
That's a good point.

495
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,280
So maybe there is a use case for
it, but I think it's so low down

496
00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,400
where I'm like, I don't really
care though.

497
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,480
If a kid didn't write the date,
it's not the end of the world.

498
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,200
OK, just go back and write it
tomorrow.

499
00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,520
Like, who cares?
It's not in.

500
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,440
It's not integral.
What's your opinion on learning

501
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,760
objective then?
Should that be written?

502
00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,960
Down.
I think that one boils more down

503
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,880
to I know there are studies that
originally showed all the

504
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,320
writing down the learning.
Learning intention is great.

505
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,680
That's where it all came.
From Yeah, there's a reason it

506
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,720
came.
And there are lots of studies

507
00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,560
since then that like, yeah, this
is actually not good for this

508
00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,480
reason, this reason, this
reason.

509
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,760
So I'm very much on the side of,
oh, do you know what?

510
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,640
Whatever the research says, I
don't really care.

511
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,440
Like, it is a little bit of a
waste of time, I find, to write

512
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,560
it down.
I don't really think the kids

513
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,640
get anything from it.
I do find that with quite a lot

514
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,560
of stuff in education like that,
we, we seem to be chasing our

515
00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,240
tail in the education world.
We justify why it's good, we do

516
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,120
it for a bit and then we justify
it's bad and we do it for a bit.

517
00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:42,200
And anything like that, which is
so fundamentally like not

518
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,480
pointless is the word, I
suppose, but like insignificant.

519
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,640
Like you can, you can have
really good teaching and

520
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,840
learning going on with or
without the learning objects at

521
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,840
the front, anything like that.
If you're or like picking up

522
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,200
staff and doing it or not and
getting them into a meeting to

523
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,800
have like almost like a
disciplinary of like when you're

524
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,080
not following.
I'm like, chill out.

525
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,080
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter.
Yeah, exactly.

526
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,680
For stuff like that, I think one
last thing I'll say on that is I

527
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,000
think we often extrapolate a lot
from in education, from some

528
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,520
research or whatever.
Like, I can imagine this is, I'm

529
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,680
just kind of making this up, but
I can imagine there was a time

530
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,200
where people realised, oh, we
really need consistency of

531
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,960
teachers, like making it really
clear to the kids within the 1st

532
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,760
5 minutes of what they're
learning about so they can kind

533
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,000
of anchor their minds and, and
you know, whatever.

534
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,200
And and then someone
extrapolates from something like

535
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,720
that, say, oh, a really good way
to do that would be should we

536
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,120
get them to write down a title
or a learning objective?

537
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:30,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then ten years later,

538
00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:32,080
everyone's forgot on the
original purpose and they all

539
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,640
just go, you know, we have to
write down learning, learning

540
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:34,760
objectives.
And it's like, well, why?

541
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,160
I don't know.
And it's like, well, maybe we've

542
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,120
maybe we've to tackle that
problem in another way now.

543
00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,640
Maybe all your teachers are
actually just from their

544
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,280
teaching style and teaching
pedagogy.

545
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,720
Maybe we are all doing the thing
in our teaching, like mentioning

546
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,480
what we're learning about and we
don't no longer need the

547
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,480
yellows.
Like that's what I wish people

548
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,400
would come back to in education
and just look at again and let

549
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,400
you know.
Research changes.

550
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,880
Wow.
Well, you know, we did it 10

551
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,320
years ago.
Yeah.

552
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,040
OK.
But everything, all of the other

553
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,480
factors might have changed now
so that research is no longer

554
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,040
relevant.
And lessons are different.

555
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,360
Like, how many times have you
had the children write down the

556
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,880
learning objective and they
finished writing and they go,

557
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:08,400
excuse me?
Yeah.

558
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,120
What does that word mean?
Because we've not learned it

559
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:10,760
yet.
Yeah.

560
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,640
Like we're learning about
parallelograms in maths or

561
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080
trapeziums or quadrilaterals or
whatever it might be.

562
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,760
They write it down and they have
no idea what they're writing

563
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,400
down.
Yeah.

564
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,240
So like it's kind of lost that
use then.

565
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,600
It's like what we're learning
about today.

566
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,360
Quadri quad.
I don't know how to say that

567
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:25,800
word.
Yeah.

568
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:26,960
Oh yeah.
Don't worry about it because

569
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,560
within 5 minutes of this lesson
we're going to be discovering

570
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,600
what they are.
And maybe it's like a child LED

571
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,000
thing where actually part of the
learning is them realising what

572
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,640
it is.
Yeah, you don't want to spoil

573
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:37,680
that.
I think a learning objective.

574
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,640
So my point here is that there
are absolutely times where I can

575
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,240
imagine writing a learning
objective has a positive impact.

576
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,240
Even writing success criteria
down for the children might have

577
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,520
a positive of impact on them in
that lesson.

578
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,560
And as a teacher, you can decide
that and there'll be other

579
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,440
times.
As a teacher, I absolutely would

580
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,040
think to myself, this is a waste
of 5 minutes at the start of the

581
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,480
lesson because in that 5 minutes
we could be getting the shapes

582
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,280
out, sorting them.
The kids might naturally put the

583
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,920
quadrilaterals into one pile and
the triangles into another pile.

584
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,080
And then from that I say, well,
why did you do that?

585
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,160
And then we extrapolate, well
that's because it's got four

586
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,120
sides.
Interesting.

587
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:12,440
So we have a name for that and
it starts with quad where we use

588
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,400
quad before.
No, sorry, Dylan.

589
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,600
The policy policy says you need
to do it this way around.

590
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,560
So actually you can't do that
now.

591
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,720
That's actually better.
Yeah, yeah.

592
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,280
That better pedagogy of being
child led and understanding it

593
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,320
and going over the etymology of
the word and learning it step by

594
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,040
step, that's all completely
pointless because it says on a

595
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,720
form somewhere that you must.
Start with a project.

596
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,360
Do you know what that thing that
actually happened to me

597
00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,120
genuinely like almost exactly
that story.

598
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,480
It was a success criteria.
I thought I was being really

599
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,160
cool once.
I think it was my maybe even my

600
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,480
first year of teaching, possibly
second.

601
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,840
Naive.
Yeah, very nice.

602
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,040
I did a lesson where and I was
like, well this is going to be

603
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:40,760
good.
They're going to love.

604
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,640
This I was an observation.
Yeah, it was observation.

605
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,000
So I put, you know, throwing out
the bag and I got the kids to

606
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,800
write the the success criteria
sort of midway through the

607
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,000
lesson, maybe more towards the
end.

608
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:51,360
We drew it out together and we
were.

609
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,520
Like, Oh well.
She'd already done, I've done

610
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,800
the teaching input and I was
like, before we start this main

611
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,800
task, what do we think we need
to be successful then?

612
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,840
Because our success criteria is
blank.

613
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,440
And genuinely, they were like,
yeah, it was a nice idea, but

614
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,320
you know, we give the success
criteria at the start so that

615
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,040
they can look through it and,
and sort of take it off as

616
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,600
they're going kind of thing.
I was like, OK, did you see what

617
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,680
I did though?
Yeah, yeah.

618
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,600
Did you see how that wasn't
relevant for this one?

619
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,200
And this was completely fine.
And it's like, oh, whatever, OK,

620
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,640
fine.
At that point, it becomes almost

621
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,560
pointless to try and talk it
through.

622
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,120
And this is, I suppose this
circling right back to that

623
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,560
first conversation we had about
how getting out of clubs,

624
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,040
everyone does it and stuff.
There has to be a point.

625
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,920
There has to be a moment as a
teacher, and I get it when like

626
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,040
I was sitting here in this
podcast and saying, well, this

627
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,080
and that and this reason.
And that's obviously the selling

628
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,960
objective.
Even if we all collectively nod

629
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960
and agree, if you're in that
environment where they won't

630
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,920
care about your reasoning at
all.

631
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,920
And like you just said there,
you explained why the success

632
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,680
criteria being child LED halfway
through the lesson was more

633
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,280
beneficial from a pedagogical
point of view than just giving

634
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,000
it to at the front and had no
idea what they were talking

635
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,040
about.
They hadn't done metaphors or

636
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,760
similes, whatever it was at the
1st place, right?

637
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,080
Even at that point, leadership
that you're involved with are

638
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,640
still not able to give you that
leeway or understanding.

639
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,640
Then it does get to the point
where you're just like, OK,

640
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,520
easier life just to.
Crack on and do what I need to

641
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,640
do Maybe I'll look at moving at
some point in the future.

642
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,720
Yeah yeah.
I just want to do this in

643
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,880
observation.
I know I know what's best yeah

644
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,120
yeah.
It's it's tough one.

645
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,920
How how so this is like a kind
of.

646
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,240
Side question here then on all
of this.

647
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,720
This is my question to you.
Hey, I mean, I listen to the

648
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,840
podcast sometimes.
I'm listen to the.

649
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,040
Co host sometimes.
Sometimes I'm like to ask you a

650
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,320
question, so I'm going to listen
to your answer and then say what

651
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,480
I'm thinking.
Tell me I'm wrong.

652
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,840
Yeah.
What degree do you think someone

653
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,160
should just suck it up in that
situation when they're in an

654
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,720
environment where they
understand that what's happening

655
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,040
to them is potentially unfair?
They're being asked to do more

656
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,800
than they should.
They're not being given the

657
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,440
leeway as professional to be
able to explain what they're

658
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,520
doing.
To what degree should someone be

659
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,040
like, I'll just do it then or
you know, Or is it 100% to you

660
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,360
that every single thing that you
are in black and white not

661
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:53,920
supposed to do because of your
contract, you should always

662
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,120
never do and push back on?
Is there?

663
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,840
Is there leeway there in your
opinion?

664
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,680
I think there has to be leeway
for a start.

665
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,240
I'm definitely not even.
I hope no one's got this opinion

666
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,520
because we do often talk about
the tricky things and it might

667
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,520
come across that we're 100% say
no to everything.

668
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,640
I'm absolutely not that.
Life is give and take.

669
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,200
Life also has lots of other
factors.

670
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,120
Like you could genuinely just be
naive.

671
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,720
Like you have to accept that
sometimes you're wrong.

672
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,920
And I'm not doing this because
this reason why actually, do you

673
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,920
know what?
You've embarrassed yourself a

674
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,160
little bit because you didn't
think of this thing and actually

675
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,120
you're wrong.
There are some cases where that

676
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,200
is true.
And I think, like I said, life

677
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,160
is give and take.
I don't know what the exact

678
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,040
threshold is.
I imagine it's different for

679
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,680
everybody.
But I know in my working career,

680
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240
I've never worked in a school
where I agree with 100% the

681
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720
things they're doing, but I have
worked in a school where I agree

682
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,080
with 85% and that for me, I was
like, that's acceptable.

683
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,480
There's 15% of things where I'm
like, do you know what?

684
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,040
This is not optimal.
And I maybe we'll have some

685
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,520
arguments and discussions about
it and come out on the losing

686
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,440
end.
And it's like, no, you've just

687
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280
got to do this thing.
But I'll suck it up because

688
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,360
because some things are just,
they're just not that important.

689
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,960
They're not that big.
Like no one goes through life

690
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,600
living the absolute perfect life
where nothing goes wrong for

691
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,360
them.
Everything is perfect for them.

692
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,160
I think it's a little bit.
What's the word obnoxious?

693
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,000
Maybe to think that you should
describe?

694
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,720
Yourself.
Well, there.

695
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,200
Yeah, to think that you should
get that in your YEAH job so we

696
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840
can aim towards it.
Let me, let me zoom in then and

697
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,320
be really, really clear about
what you're saying.

698
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,160
Because I feel like there's a
difference between an opinion on

699
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,920
what the best route down doing
something might be.

700
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,960
And your opinion might differ
with your colleagues.

701
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,120
But it's all over in the realms
of your contract and your job

702
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,720
and what you do.
Yeah, yeah, Now I'm talking very

703
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,360
specifically about things that
are literally just not in your

704
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,480
contract, like being expected to
do an after school club outside

705
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,680
of your directed time or, you
know, something that is

706
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,200
literally against what is
written in black and white.

707
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,960
Is there still leeway there?
Because I think we can all agree

708
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,560
there's got to be leeway.
There's no way you should be

709
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,640
happy within your job.
But but are you 100% then on the

710
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,520
stuff that's even above and
beyond and outside of your

711
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,320
contract?
Or do you think there is still

712
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,120
some leeway and it could be
easier for someone to just give

713
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,280
that leeway and crack on?
I think there is still some

714
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280
leeway, but I do think it's
really personal.

715
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,880
Genuinely, I think it's so
personal.

716
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,800
I think everyone has to think,
what's my leeway?

717
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,640
Because you know, there are some
people that doing an after

718
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,040
school club is, is the smallest
sacrifice to them.

719
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,000
And they're like, I'll do this
because you know what,

720
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,560
everything else about this
school is wonderful.

721
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,760
And this is a little thing to
me.

722
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,880
There are some people in the
same situation where doing our

723
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,680
school club to them is is like
devastating.

724
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,720
It means they can't go and pick
up their child.

725
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,400
It means they can't do something
really important to them.

726
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,200
So for them, I think it has to
be on a personal level.

727
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,240
I think everyone should be
expected to have some sort of

728
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,880
leeway.
You're just not going to get a

729
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,560
place where you've got carbon,
like 50 carbon copies of the

730
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,160
same teacher who all happen to
agree with the exact same way of

731
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,640
doing things.
In a perfect world, and we do

732
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,360
strive towards professional, I
think we always strive to be

733
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,760
better.
We should like have arguments in

734
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,080
our school.
I might be, I might put up with

735
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,080
something, but also be having a
dialogue with, with my school

736
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,200
saying like, I'm doing this
however, you know, and having

737
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,360
those conversations.
So yeah, I think there has to be

738
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,080
some leeway in the real world.
What about you?

739
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,720
What do you think?
No.

740
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,160
I completely agree.
I think it's something we it,

741
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,600
you know, when we're posting,
especially online, people listen

742
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,240
to our podcast.
I hope they get the nuance when

743
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,360
we're posting online, like this
is your contract, You shouldn't

744
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,560
have to do it.
There's, I think there's a lot

745
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,720
of people who'd be like, yeah,
OK, but Can you imagine no one

746
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,560
ever doing this?
Like, obviously we have to do it

747
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280
at some point.
I think there has to be leeway.

748
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,080
I think for some people you're
right.

749
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Like doing it.
The club analogy is perfect

750
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840
because even in my career, there
was a point in my career where

751
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,400
there might be a club I really
want to do and there might be a

752
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,840
club that I, I actively asked,
can I do?

753
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,040
Yeah, there might be a point in
my career where I go, I don't

754
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,560
really want to do it, but yeah,
sure, I'll do that because it'll

755
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,240
help the kids out or it'll help
you out.

756
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,040
My leadership team who actually
have helped me out in a

757
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,560
different way.
So it's give and take.

758
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,560
Like you said, you let me do
this.

759
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Of course I'll do that for you.
I even in my last year, I, I did

760
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,080
the Golf Club after school in my
last year, even in the midst of

761
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,760
me saying all this stuff, but
how we don't have to.

762
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,680
I knew I didn't have to, but I
wanted to.

763
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,040
Yeah, My, my assistant head came
up to me and said there's a Golf

764
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,280
Club opening.
I know you like golf.

765
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,000
I do it normally.
It's your last time.

766
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,920
Do you want to do it for a bit?
And I was like, Joe, well, yeah,

767
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,320
I do.
Yeah.

768
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,440
Why not?
And I can make it work.

769
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,040
And I did it and I can make it.
Work a year ago.

770
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,600
No, I had Roy.
Roy was a little baby.

771
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,800
That's no way I could.
Get home to mum to help out.

772
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,320
It wouldn't have worked.
But at this point I was like,

773
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,360
yeah, sure, of course I can.
So absolutely right.

774
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,320
I don't want anyone to get the
impression we're saying, oh be,

775
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,320
say no one be this awkward
person all the time.

776
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960
In real life, you help people
out, you give them a pat in the

777
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,120
back and you and you lift them
up and, and that's the point I

778
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,280
want to make someone.
Yeah, I agree.

779
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,600
And I think when we are saying
those things about no, say no,

780
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,880
this is your contract, we're
quite often thinking about those

781
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,360
extremes, aren't we have those
really toxic schools where there

782
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,200
is no give and take.
They're taking everything from

783
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,920
you.
Where to with I, I'm often

784
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,000
thinking about those kind of
schools and I'm saying, no, this

785
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,400
is your contract and put your
foot down and say, I'm not doing

786
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,680
it because they're already
taking the Mick out of you in

787
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,200
every other way.
Like you don't have like we have

788
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,600
a lovely relationship with our
SLT.

789
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,560
They asked me to do the odd
thing that was different from

790
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,600
like out of the contract.
I'd be like, yeah, OK, because

791
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,080
you did this other thing for me
the other week.

792
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,920
And that was lovely.
Thanks.

793
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,600
You didn't have to do that
exactly, you know.

794
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Yeah.
And that's human relations.

795
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,720
Yeah.
That's, that's how you work with

796
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,600
someone.
And yeah, the the empowerment

797
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,520
comes when you're being taken an
advantage of.

798
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,240
That's when the empowerment has
to come from.

799
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,840
You're like, no, this is the
straw that breaks the cameras

800
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,560
back.
It's very easy for you to say to

801
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,240
me, oh, it's just a club.
It's just one hour a week.

802
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,880
I want you.
Oh, what you're doing?

803
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,320
You're sending lefty wokey
teacher.

804
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,960
It's just an hour.
You're doing it for the kids.

805
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Why else did you get into
teaching for everything else

806
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
extra that I'm doing?
You do not understand how much

807
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,240
stuff I'm doing on top.
And there has to be a line where

808
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360
I say no, Yeah.
And I don't spend 80 hours on

809
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,000
how we're doing.
It doesn't mean I'm a bad

810
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,040
teacher.
Doesn't mean I'm an idiot.

811
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Doesn't mean I'm a lefty liberal
wokey.

812
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Well, a little bit might be, but
what it what it means is that

813
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,640
it's just my line.
And you have the ability to

814
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,520
control your line when it's
outside of your contract.

815
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,880
Yeah, I agree.
That is what we need to empower

816
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,320
people to do.
Your line might be up, it might

817
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,160
be down, but you have that
ability to control it.

818
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,520
Yeah.
Within your contract.

819
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Swallow your pride, swallow your
ego.

820
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,520
There's going to be decisions
that are made.

821
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,720
Oh, it's.
Moving to a different year

822
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,240
group.
Yeah, Yeah, Honestly, it's

823
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320
completely within your job.
That is completely fair.

824
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,920
Yeah, but I didn't want to go to
year one.

825
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880
OK, you might not have.
And do you know what your if you

826
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,400
really didn't want to go to year
one, your leadership team,

827
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,320
probably they really didn't want
to do it either because they're

828
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,280
not silly.
They understand that it's better

829
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360
to have people where they're
meant to be if, especially if

830
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,120
they're not a toxic school, It's
like, do something.

831
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,360
I got moved to year three one
year because I was one of the

832
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,280
few people who was like, OK, I
don't really want to go to year

833
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520
3, but I said I'd do it.
Like, OK, fine.

834
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,960
I don't want to.
I need you to go to year 3.

835
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760
And I was like, OK, oh gosh, I
wish.

836
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,640
I wish I said they didn't want
to now, but but I didn't really

837
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,720
want to.
They knew I didn't really want

838
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,400
to.
Leadership came and spoke to me.

839
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,360
I was like, of course I will.
It's literally my job.

840
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,320
And I loved it.
Do you know what I mean?

841
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Like, you don't know either
before you do stuff like that.

842
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,080
So yeah, I think it's give and
take.

843
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,680
I think it's normal.
And that's the message I really

844
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,800
want to get across to people is
it's about giving you control.

845
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,800
It's about it's not about me
telling you what to do.

846
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,520
It's not about me saying
everyone should say no and have

847
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,240
the same line.
What I'm saying is if your line

848
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,760
moves, you control that.
And you shouldn't seek to

849
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,360
control other people or look
down on them if their line is

850
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,200
different to yours.
Couldn't agree more.

851
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Right, let's finish off with a
question here from an ECT.

852
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,360
It's gonna be very similar to
what we just spoke about, about

853
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,640
lines and things, but I wanna
get this specific answer.

854
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920
What's the average time spent in
school over summer for a

855
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,680
teacher?
I'm an ECT and I've been in for

856
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680
five days with an emoji, like 5
days.

857
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,600
Yeah, Yeah.
So this is vital.

858
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,840
This is really important because
when we talk about that line and

859
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
understanding it when you're
early in your career, we did the

860
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,800
whole lesson about EC TS last
time.

861
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,840
You don't know what that normal
line is.

862
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,200
No, of course.
What is the average?

863
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,200
What's normal?
I don't know.

864
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,240
I've done five days.
That could be minimal.

865
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,640
That could be way more than
average.

866
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,760
What would you say to this?
ECT.

867
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
I mean as an ECT.
Firstly, you're going to do more

868
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,280
on average.
You're not as efficient at your

869
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,600
job yet and you're probably
creating literally everything

870
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,640
from scratch.
When you're 7 years in, you've

871
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,600
got most of your stuff, you've
got your display bits, you've

872
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,000
kept stuff from previous years,
you can whack it up, you don't

873
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,320
need to spend as much time.
I think the average is probably

874
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
one or two days in the summer
from from my experience.

875
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760
There's been a lot of other
teachers and working and doing

876
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,920
it myself.
One or two days in the summer is

877
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,000
probably the average.
Do you think that's the average?

878
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,400
I reckon that's the minimum.
Do you not think, Oh no, I'm

879
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,600
well if that's the average, are
you saying a lot of people do 0?

880
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Yeah, I think, I think a lot of
people, just from talking a lot,

881
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,800
I think a lot of people just
don't go in over summer.

882
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Yeah, I really do.
I reckon a lot of people do like

883
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,480
3 or 4 days, maybe 5 days.
There's a few.

884
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,240
People do weeks, do you think?
Yeah, no, they do.

885
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,880
No, they do.
No, they do like 2 weeks.

886
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Maybe that's just mad.
They do, especially their

887
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,880
leadership.
And I'm just saying, saying that

888
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,440
like I've spoken to people and
like, you know, I'm moving to

889
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,160
head of English.
Yeah, I need to sort out this

890
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,840
whole English curriculum.
But in September the English

891
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,040
curriculum starts and we've got
a new spine of books to go

892
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,440
through the whole school year
and set these documents, and I

893
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,080
need to make them so the staff
have them.

894
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,320
In September, the staff are
actually gonna start planning

895
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,200
earlier.
So the first week of summer I

896
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,480
spent the whole week planning
out this new progression for

897
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,680
English.
That's part of my job.

898
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360
Maybe my perception is a bit
off, but I think just from my

899
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760
experience of people.
What's what's your average?

900
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,520
What, what in your career?
Yeah, just go through from the

901
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,200
start of your career.
My first year teaching, I spent

902
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,600
4-5 weeks.
I basically spent the I pretty

903
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,280
much actually.
What did you do?

904
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,320
Honestly, I look back and I'm
like, why did I was just making

905
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,840
displays?
I like I honestly, honestly,

906
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640
honestly, I'm not joking.
And there were some bits where I

907
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,400
was like prepping books and
getting stuff printed.

908
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,080
But most of the most of that
time I gutted my room.

909
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,400
I had a really awkward
classroom.

910
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,200
I remember I had pipes
everywhere and I was like I have

911
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,400
to utilise every bit of space in
this room and I was making all

912
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,920
these custom display boards to
fit around my pipes guide the

913
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,840
whole room did the whole.
Lot no, no, no.

914
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Knowing you ended this podcast,
nothing.

915
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Got to fit around my pipes.
I did.

916
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,680
Yeah, Dylan, my pipes needed to
be fit inside the displays.

917
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,040
OK.
Oh my God.

918
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,800
And last summer?
Yeah, but it was I spent, I

919
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,160
think I spent my whole summer.
Yeah, I spent my whole summer

920
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,320
second year probably like a.
Week or time?

921
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,360
Decorating the pipes next year
to a few weeks.

922
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,680
Fast forward, though, to sort of
year seven-year eight-year nine

923
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,320
year 10 zero.
I got down to the point where,

924
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,080
yeah, the last three years I
didn't go in for a day in the

925
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,200
summer.
Yeah.

926
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,440
How did you manage that?
So someone would be listening to

927
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,160
that going what obviously I had
to do in my.

928
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,200
Life potluck really, because I
was the same classroom for four

929
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440
years in a row, right?
OK, so I could quite easily

930
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
knowing I was in the same
classroom in term 6, I could

931
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,560
just do what I needed to do.
So it was it was potluck.

932
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,720
So do you know what if I, if I
move classrooms, I absolutely

933
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,840
would have gone in the summer.
Even in my 10th year, I would

934
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,800
probably have gone in for maybe
like 3 days and just whipped as

935
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,720
much as possible and I would
have capped it myself.

936
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,320
I would have said I'm not doing
any more.

937
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,560
I've given three extra days of
my holiday if it's not done in

938
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,520
that time tough.
And I would have gone in

939
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,840
September.
Oh yeah, it's blank.

940
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,880
Cool.
I'll do it in time.

941
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,280
Go over.
It, it's, it's also not kind of,

942
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,400
it's not potluck in a way,
because you would have made that

943
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,440
decision in time 6.
You'd be proactive to sort stuff

944
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,840
whilst you're still in school.
And like the, you know, there's

945
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,679
a lot of people out there again,
who'd be like, we're not allowed

946
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,280
to take out the space down until
the kids have gone.

947
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,600
And if you know that to me is
just completely wrong, like you,

948
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,719
you are like, if you're imposing
that, that is wrong because what

949
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,120
you are, if you are saying
displays can't be taken down

950
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,560
until the kids are finished and
in September, if you have no

951
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,280
leeway, you are forcing your
staff to work.

952
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,760
Yeah, you're directing them.
You're directing them,

953
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,120
implicitly directing them
actually.

954
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Yeah, absolutely.
But yeah, I think in All in all,

955
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,520
I guess my perception, maybe my
perception is a bit off.

956
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,679
But yeah, I've, I've done, I've
done the what?

957
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,840
I've done a lot as an ECT.
I feel, I feel you.

958
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,000
You've done five days.
I remember doing that every week

959
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,600
of the summer.
But by the end of my career, you

960
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,440
know, I wasn't going in at all
and I was just getting things

961
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,120
done in September or in Term 6,
you know, the term before.

962
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,960
It's kind of swings and
roundabouts really.

963
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,600
But you think the average is
higher than me so.

964
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,000
No, I think the average is
higher.

965
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,680
I think, I think we are.
We're on the low end.

966
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,080
I think for the average to be
like one or two, yeah.

967
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,280
And most teachers would have to
do 0 because I know there are

968
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,200
extremities in the top end like.
That's true.

969
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,560
Yeah, that's true.
And I think, I think the

970
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,920
average, I think the average
person spends at least three

971
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,160
days of their summer holidays
in, in school, in school, doing

972
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,000
stuff, no free and, and, but
then, but then what what's like

973
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,520
gets me about that is it doesn't
count the time you spend

974
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,760
planning stuff.
No, of course.

975
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,840
And doing stuff as well.
Yeah, absolutely.

976
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Every single year of my career,
I didn't go into school to plan.

977
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,720
I planned at home and I spend
days and days and days and days

978
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,920
planning for September and
October, you know, trying to get

979
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,080
as much as I can.
Yeah, plan.

980
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,400
And I think at least with that,
I don't know, as a teacher with

981
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,240
the planning and stuff, I could
justify that extra work.

982
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,640
Like in my head I could be like,
OK, of course it's frustrating.

983
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Of course this is my holiday,
but I do need lessons to plan.

984
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,400
This is what I, my profession
is.

985
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,040
This is what I'm good at.
This is my role.

986
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
I plan lessons and make lessons.
That is what I do as a teacher.

987
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,720
OK.
The thing I really, really,

988
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,400
really, really resented was
spending, even. 10 minutes of my

989
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,440
summer holiday in school,
decorating.

990
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,000
Yes.
It's not part of my job.

991
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Yeah.
Even with the planning, it's

992
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
down to the point where I sort
of said to myself, do you know

993
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,600
what?
If I was really on it in Term 6,

994
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,760
I could have used all of my Ppas
to start planning.

995
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,680
And I chose not to.
I chose to actually get my

996
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,720
marketing done and go home
earlier.

997
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,840
Yeah, but that is on me.
But the also also the problem

998
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,120
with term 6 is it's easy to say
that, but Ppas often filled with

999
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,840
things like transition meetings
that might overrun you know,

1000
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,760
you're passing stuff on the
torch goes over, you've got Ieps

1001
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,640
to finish off with you like it's
not.

1002
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,920
I think it's harder to do
planning in time 6 as if, not

1003
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,760
because it's got the summer in
the middle, but because you have

1004
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320
so much more to get done.
It's true, but I definitely

1005
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,360
could have done some, you know
what I mean?

1006
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,400
And I know every year in my
career, I've always chosen in

1007
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,040
PPA to get my marking.
If I, if I've not got anything

1008
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,000
else going on, I have actually
just got my PPA time, I'd rather

1009
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,640
mark and go home early earlier,
you know, not going.

1010
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,080
I'm not leaving school at 2:00.
Just to make clear early means

1011
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,760
still beyond my directed hours,
but maybe going home at 4:15

1012
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,720
rather than 515.
So I've used my PPA to do an

1013
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,080
hour of marking and then do my
planning some other time.

1014
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,680
So I could have, I could have
done some planning for September

1015
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040
in my PPA, then marked after
school like every other day.

1016
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,800
But I don't want it.
So do you know what it gets to

1017
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,240
summer?
And like you, I go, yeah, do you

1018
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,440
know what?
This is my job, and I chose to

1019
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,960
do it this way around.
I've got some flexibility.

1020
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,400
I'll do a bit of planning in the
last week of summer or whatever,

1021
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,720
you know, sort myself out.
But yeah, I wouldn't worry.

1022
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Back to the CCT.
So honestly don't even worry

1023
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,040
about other people at this
point.

1024
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,000
Just do what you want to do, do
what feels good for you, what

1025
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,680
feels right.
And if you don't, if it feels

1026
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,600
like too much next year, just
think to yourself across the

1027
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480
year, what can I do to make my
summer a bit better next year?

1028
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,280
But now I'm actually in school
for this year.

1029
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,560
It's like, to me, it's one of
the top teacher traits is being

1030
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,280
reflective.
And it can it can go across

1031
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,880
everything.
Like, you know, being reflective

1032
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,560
on the lesson that didn't quite
go as well as you thought.

1033
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,680
Being reflective on how much
time you spent planning

1034
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,360
something and actually ended up
being that I just did a random

1035
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,760
thing instead and it wasn't
worth my time.

1036
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,840
Be reflective.
And this counts as well.

1037
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,960
You've done your first as an
ECT.

1038
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,720
There's almost not a number I
put in it for an ECT.

1039
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:03,080
I would kind of say to an ECT
look, here's what needs to get

1040
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,000
done.
Here's what need to have ready

1041
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,240
for September.
Don't go overboard, Don't do 4.

1042
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,920
I'd say to you don't be doing 4
weeks 4.

1043
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,600
I'd be like shaking you saying
what if you doing?

1044
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
But if someone does 5 days,
someone does 10 days, I'd be

1045
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,840
like, okay, look, do that for
the first year, yeah.

1046
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,280
And then think to yourself and
be reflective.

1047
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,360
How much of that did I have to
do?

1048
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Yeah, did I have to do it?
Might be all of it, yeah.

1049
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,120
But next year you don't have to
do some of it.

1050
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,520
You've already done it, or some
of it you just didn't have to do

1051
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,160
and could have been done when
you're back in school.

1052
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,040
OK, strip that back as well.
And then next year you've cut it

1053
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,680
in half.
The year after you've cut it in

1054
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,760
half again.
It's a long game.

1055
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Yeah, you're obviously right.
Just be reflective.

1056
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,560
Yeah.
And laminate everything.

1057
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,800
That was the that was the first
tip I ever got.

1058
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,720
Are you joking?
I think laminate is horrendous.

1059
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,120
Yeah, I mean it's terrible, but
it but someone said to me, if

1060
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,360
you're going to keep it forever,
if it's a permanent resource,

1061
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,120
rather than bin in it or get
screwed up and you have to

1062
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,680
reprint it next year and cut it,
just laminate it once.

1063
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,240
It will last for 10 years.
Don't laminate anything.

1064
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,040
Do you think?
Yeah, don't.

1065
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:53,960
Laminate.
Horrendous.

1066
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,480
What could?
Because.

1067
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,320
Of the environment.
Horrendous for the environment,

1068
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,920
horrendous because you might,
you still might not use it.

1069
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Eventually it gets thrown away.
Eventually it works if it's

1070
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,480
perfect.
I'm going to keep it for five

1071
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,840
years now and it's perfectly
laminated.

1072
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,040
It looks great for the bin.
You can throw at the bin at the

1073
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,000
end.
Is it worse than throwing at the

1074
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,360
bin five times?
Not laminated though.

1075
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,200
No, don't leave it up, but.
What if it doesn't look like

1076
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,640
it's ruined?
The whole point is it keeps it

1077
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,280
preserved.
And then I'm really against

1078
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,640
lamination lamination.
Yeah, I put like a word that

1079
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,280
doesn't exist.
It's called lamination, Yeah.

1080
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,480
I I hate laminating.
I'm not spending a single.

1081
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920
I would not spend a single
second on my time laminating

1082
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,480
again.
And that is purely because of

1083
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,680
environmental.
Yeah, because it can get

1084
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,600
recycled.
I can recycle paper even if it

1085
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,200
stays for three years instead of
one year.

1086
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,920
It I So here's the exact I
emptied.

1087
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,320
I emptied my cupboard.
I finished teaching.

1088
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I found stuff.

1089
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,160
I laminated 5-6.
Seven years ago.

1090
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,840
Right.
OK, firstly, firstly, not only

1091
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,520
was that not up on display, it
was in my cupboard because I was

1092
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,400
like, well, I don't need this
display anymore and I laminated

1093
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,800
it thinking I need this display
for 10 years.

1094
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,160
You don't need any display for
10 years.

1095
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,000
OK, so firstly I'm laminating
something that I actually still

1096
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,680
only use for the amount of time
I would have used it for if it

1097
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,760
wasn't laminated.
And then secondly, it just

1098
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,920
stayed in my cupboard for 10
years and then I had to throw it

1099
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,080
away.
I threw away so much laminated

1100
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,640
stuff and I was like, well, I
can't recycle it.

1101
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,080
This is just going in a dump and
it's plastic and it's going to

1102
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:04,960
stay there forever now.
Yeah, yeah.

1103
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,560
And and I still and I wasn't
using it.

1104
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,880
That was like the kicker.
If I was still using it 10 years

1105
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,600
later, you maybe.
OK, look, I've used this for 10

1106
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,560
years.
I would have carried on using

1107
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,880
it.
Maybe I'll leave it for my next

1108
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,760
teacher because I might need it.
Some of the stuff was like

1109
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,240
personalised like to the to the
children in that year.

1110
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,040
I was mental, but do that
stupid.

1111
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,960
But other stuff even though.
It was like generic, I'd chosen

1112
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,000
later to not use it in my
displays and I was like, it's

1113
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,560
just a waste of plastic and bad
thing.

1114
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,600
Wow.
Wokey lefty liberal, you part.

1115
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,200
You part of the glitter place as
well.

1116
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,280
Oh, here we go.
Look at it.

1117
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,240
Look at it.
If you're watching this, just go

1118
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,680
rewind a little bit.
Look at his face.

1119
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,960
Yeah, I, I see stuff online of
people, like throwing glitter

1120
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,080
around.
Yeah, for like trends and stuff.

1121
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,000
And I just, I'm just like, what
are you doing?

1122
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,800
Like, we don't need to do that.
So it's nice.

1123
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's lots of stuff that's

1124
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,480
nice, but just do you need to
spend a whole, like, glitter

1125
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:55,760
touch?
What?

1126
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Is it?
It's good fun.

1127
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,320
OK, it's good fun fun.
All right, fair enough.

1128
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,360
It's good fun.
It's good fun.

1129
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,720
Which do see, there's frogs down
there.

1130
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,360
Kids killed them.
What?

1131
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Yeah, you killed them.
Glitter it.

1132
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Was it Roman?
I thought you were saying it's

1133
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,280
good fun to kill frogs.
No, no, no.

1134
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,520
I was being silly.
That's the next thing.

1135
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Part of the frog police as well.
Frog police, are you?

1136
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,320
Oh, but.
But this old lefty wokey liberal

1137
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,080
teacher doesn't want to kill
frogs, now, does he?

1138
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,080
Yeah, no, no, it's a good
argument to have, I think, just

1139
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,960
like it's hard to argue.
Against the argument being it's

1140
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,200
nice, it's just doesn't wash.
Yeah, doesn't.

1141
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,400
I'm like okay.
Glitter is 1.

1142
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,320
I did stop using but laminating.
I don't laminate much at all,

1143
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,080
but there was the odd thing I'd
laminate where I'm like, I wanna

1144
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,520
keep that for years.
And did you?

1145
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,320
Yeah.
Did you?

1146
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where's it now?

1147
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,560
In the bin.
No, I gave us my next teacher,

1148
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,120
actually.
Yeah, recycled and.

1149
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,840
All thanks for that.
Yeah, straight in, yeah.

1150
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,080
Last question, let's finish off
it's round off.

1151
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,720
The last question, the last
question, let's do a last.

1152
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,360
Last question he did Last last
question, right.

1153
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,600
The last, last, last question is
have you ever come close to

1154
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,480
teaching abroad Now, Mr Hayden?
I know the answer to this one,

1155
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,560
Mr Hayden, because you have.
I have, I have come very, very

1156
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,760
close to teaching abroad.
So early in my career I was

1157
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,000
single, I was still live in my
parents house and I was like,

1158
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,120
right, what do I want to do with
my life?

1159
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,400
Where am I going to go?
And it was a really good time.

1160
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,840
I don't think this is good
anymore, but like Dubai and the

1161
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,720
Arab Emirates, everywhere around
there was like, I had amazing

1162
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,920
teacher packages.
The pay was insane.

1163
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
It was like double what I was
getting paid in the UK at that

1164
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,440
time, tax free and tax free.
And they paid for like

1165
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,720
accommodation.
They were perks as well.

1166
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,440
And I was like, well, this seems
pretty good, doesn't it?

1167
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,760
So I applied for that, went
through the interview process.

1168
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,480
I got really far into it, to be
fair.

1169
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,720
Like basically it's the last
hurdle.

1170
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,440
And then do you remember why I
got rejected?

1171
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,640
Did you get rejected?
Yeah.

1172
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Oh, I thought you.
Chose.

1173
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,600
I'm not there.
I'm not there now, mate.

1174
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,280
No, no.
No, I thought you chose not.

1175
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,280
To no, no, no, I got rejected.
I definitely I would have gone

1176
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,440
is.
It because in the last interview

1177
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,840
you shaped hair off.
Oh God no.

1178
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,200
Like this guy.
No, people.

1179
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,560
No, sorry mate, you're gotta be
under thirst.

1180
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,040
So what?
I I, I honestly thought you in

1181
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,320
the end were like, oh, just.
No, no, I I chose not to carry

1182
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,680
on afterwards like trying again.
That's one my frame, isn't it?

1183
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,280
Yeah.
Yeah, I try.

1184
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:57,360
That's fine.
That's fine.

1185
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,680
You don't want me.
I've chosen not to want to.

1186
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,240
Yeah, I actually didn't want to.
Yeah, I was testing.

1187
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,480
You draw my application.
So.

1188
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,320
Now we've draw it just a minute
ago.

1189
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,960
No, it's because I my undergrad
degree before I did my PGCE,

1190
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,480
wasn't in a recognised primary
school subject.

1191
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,320
I vaguely remember this thing
you're saying this.

1192
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Bear in mind you wasted your
time in your degree.

1193
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:16,800
I did.
I did.

1194
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,240
I did a film, radio and
television.

1195
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,760
Which is very I I, I honestly
think it's insane that they

1196
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,920
wouldn't be think that that's
okay.

1197
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,840
Yeah, just to add to the
insanity, not only did I have a

1198
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,360
PGCE, I had a masters degree at
that point.

1199
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,720
I just finished my masters in
educate in primary education.

1200
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,480
And that the masters didn't
trump the fact that my undergrad

1201
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,080
and I said to them, I was like,
so if I did a degree in drama

1202
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,280
because we teach drama at school
or geography or something like

1203
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,880
that, would this have been like.
We teach music at school.

1204
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,000
Yeah, we teach film.
Yeah, no, we don't teach film,

1205
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000
radio and television.
Right.

1206
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,840
But we, but we teach.
We teach.

1207
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,800
It's not the exact subject.
And they were like, they were

1208
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,360
genuinely like, yeah, it would
have.

1209
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Your application would have been
we just.

1210
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,120
Primary school teacher By the
primary school I did history as

1211
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,440
my degree and that means I can
teach geography.

1212
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,880
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you would
have been fine.

1213
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Yeah, But you can now teach all
the other subjects.

1214
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,440
It's mad, isn't it?
I I teach one of 16.

1215
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,240
So it's OK.
Yeah.

1216
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,440
You, you technically did 0 of
16.

1217
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,800
Oh, no, no, yeah, no.
He can do 15 subjects.

1218
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,280
He didn't learn you.
You can't do 16.

1219
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,800
I know, I know, the PGC didn't
count and if you didn't have a

1220
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,360
masters, which you don't, you're
not obviously on my.

1221
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Level I did I did primary math
specialist with my.

1222
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,200
PGC I was nothing you did
mathematicism not even

1223
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,720
recognising in in the Arab
Emirates.

1224
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,120
So I really, I think that's what
it was.

1225
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,320
The PGC was kind of like, and
obviously the masters was as

1226
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,240
well.
So they were just looking at the

1227
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,400
undergrad.
They were like, yeah, sorry,

1228
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,800
just doesn't fit our criteria.
So I didn't get to go out there.

1229
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,880
But then obviously I met Lauren.
I met Lauren sort of towards the

1230
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,400
end of that process anyway.
And I was a bit like, you know,

1231
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,760
kind of glad it didn't happen
because obviously I wouldn't be

1232
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,200
here right now with my beautiful
family.

1233
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,760
Oh, that's nice.
So my next question was going to

1234
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,640
be, do you wish you'd you'd done
it, but you.

1235
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,440
Like in another like, you know,
when you can think of like

1236
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,640
alternate timelines, I'm I'm
sure I would have absolutely

1237
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,480
loved it and I would have gone
off and lived a completely

1238
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,880
different life.
Probably we wouldn't even have

1239
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,760
met.
Oh my.

1240
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:53,960
God, I wish you had.
Done.

1241
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,120
You'd be.
Lonely, wouldn't you?

1242
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,000
No, no, no, because I remember
going through this process.

1243
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,760
We'd have met, but maybe not
like not like doing anything.

1244
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Not become Bros.
When did we become not become Co

1245
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,400
hosts?
Yeah, consistent to the

1246
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,520
assistant, to Bros, whatever,
whatever, etcetera.

1247
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,960
So yeah, that's interesting.
That's always something I

1248
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,760
thought I would want to do.
And a lot, a lot of people have

1249
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,320
listened to us discuss things
over the last year, especially

1250
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,200
in the podcast as it's grown
and, and messaged us and said,

1251
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,160
boys, you need to go abroad.
So there's clearly, yeah, other

1252
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,440
countries out there where
teaching is is very different

1253
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,760
experience and maybe much more
on a pedestal and more, you

1254
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,960
know, maybe renumeration and
maybe even respect in some

1255
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,080
degree.
And I've heard it's not even as

1256
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,600
good as it used to be now.
Like I've heard it's still

1257
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,760
great, but that just puts into
perspective of like 10 years ago

1258
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,720
it was insane.
The packages they were offering

1259
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,240
to get people over to teach were
like, ridiculous.

1260
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,920
Well, because it's quite, I
wouldn't say normal, but a lot.

1261
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,480
It feels like a lot more people
really consider moving out there

1262
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:50,760
now for teaching.
So I guess they don't.

1263
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,840
Have to be as there's not as
much incentive I think.

1264
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,240
Just for a context, I think
right when I started teaching,

1265
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,000
my salary here in the UK was
something like, it was about 22.

1266
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Yeah.
And the UAE, which is where I

1267
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,440
was looking to go, was the
package.

1268
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,280
I'm pretty sure it was somewhere
between 40 and 46 grand.

1269
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,400
Wow.
Plus they gave an allowance for

1270
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,480
like rent and they gave you
allowances for like travel and

1271
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,640
like dinner, all sorts of perks
as well.

1272
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,920
And I was like, that is more
than double.

1273
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Yeah, I'm.
I'm and tax free, like you said.

1274
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,440
So like, I wouldn't even been
paying as much tax on it.

1275
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,400
Yeah.
It was very tempting at the

1276
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,240
time.
A lot of people did it, you

1277
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,040
know, so.
Yeah.

1278
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,880
And people.
Are still doing it.

1279
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,320
A lot of people do also forget
how insanely low.

1280
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Teacher pay was like in that
austerity time when we started,

1281
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,960
we started off in like 2015.
Yeah, yeah.

1282
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,320
Starting 22,000.
Yeah.

1283
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,720
Mine was actually 21 something.
Yeah.

1284
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,680
I remember I looked at it funny
enough recently just to see,

1285
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,560
like, what was.
It's been 10 years, Yeah.

1286
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,200
We earn, We earn.
Considerably more than that when

1287
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,960
we were part time, yeah, leaving
teachers.

1288
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,200
I know when we were at the top
of the pay scale part time

1289
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,720
nought .65 yeah I was earning
more than when I was 100%.

1290
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,680
I'm breathing it as well nine
years before it.

1291
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:52,800
It's insane.
Mad it's.

1292
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,320
Mad.
It's madness.

1293
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,560
So yeah, hopefully that that is
moving in the right direction,

1294
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,280
but very interesting.
Yeah.

1295
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,800
Something to consider going
abroad.

1296
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,920
And I think what we should
definitely do in the future.

1297
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,480
This year, we've said it for a
while, but we'll do an episode

1298
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,520
on teaching abroad, get some
voices on from people who've

1299
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,560
done it.
That'd be a good one.

1300
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,400
I'm really dive into it.
Guys.

1301
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Thank you so much for your
questions.

1302
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,680
Get in touch with us if you have
any more questions.

1303
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,920
We are always on the lookout.
We're going to add it to our

1304
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,160
bank.
We've got loads left.

1305
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,440
So thank you so much for your
submissions.

1306
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,280
We'll pick more and we'll answer
them as time goes on.

1307
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Leaves me with one thing to say,
guys.

1308
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,040
Find us on social media at TCP
Podcast, at Instagram, at TCP

1309
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Podcast on TikTok.
And whilst you're here, why not

1310
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,440
leave us a review?
Yeah, I know some of you already

1311
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,360
done it, but some of you
haven't.

1312
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,280
We look at the numbers, all
right?

1313
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,240
The amount of reviews we've got,
the amount of listeners, it

1314
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,040
doesn't match up.
So if you can use a review, it

1315
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040
would be really, really helpful.
And Hayden, anything to say

1316
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,000
before we go?
Well, mate, I guess we'll just

1317
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,120
see you next week, right?
See you there.