Ep 133: Answering Your Questions: Teacher Sickness Guilt, Scrapping One Subject & Promotion Without Burnout!

1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400
Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach the

2
00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,880
Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name is

3
00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,880
Hayden, and we're back again
with your questions, listener

4
00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,480
questions.
We've put out another post on

5
00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,880
our Instagram, so come follow us
at Teach the Repeat podcast

6
00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,000
because that's where we harvest
all of your listener questions,

7
00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,160
whether they're really deep and
meaningful and thoughtful or

8
00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,720
completely bonkers.
Let's go through them.

9
00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,680
Hayden, we're going to start off
with this one.

10
00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:25,920
What has been the best thing you
have ever learned from your time

11
00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,360
in teaching?
Oh, we're going deep again.

12
00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,200
Straight into the deep one.
Straight into the deep one.

13
00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,800
That's a really good question.
The best thing I've ever learned

14
00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,720
in my experience as a teacher
was a lot of things I've

15
00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,160
learned.
But you've been teaching for

16
00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:37,240
like, as you like to tell me, a
decade.

17
00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,520
So 10 years if you just reflect
on that.

18
00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,760
So you're done now.
You're not in the classroom.

19
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,360
You talk for 10 years.
What do you think?

20
00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,120
You look back in that?
That's the best thing I've

21
00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,200
learned.
I think it's got to be to do

22
00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,040
with the children, but I'm not
going to go in straight with

23
00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,080
Alica.
Here's like a pedagogy tip that

24
00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,040
you can do.
Blames taxonomy, yeah.

25
00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,880
You're looking at me as if like,
oh, that's mine.

26
00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,320
I was going to say the same
thing, you know.

27
00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,080
I was going to say there's an
approximate development

28
00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,400
actually.
Yes, I knew it.

29
00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,560
All children should be in this
NPD the the way they're

30
00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,400
comfortable learning.
I think for me, it's just like I

31
00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,720
was very nervous at the start of
my career.

32
00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,680
So here's the context of this.
I was a very anxious person and

33
00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,920
I felt like everyone was out to
get me and I had to had to do

34
00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,320
everything right otherwise the
kids will hate me.

35
00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,080
I had to and everyone was on my
wavelength is what I was

36
00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,600
thinking.
Like we're all here because we

37
00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,080
all think this is the most
important thing.

38
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,480
And I realised over time that we
all have very different

39
00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,480
priorities and, and with the
children, the best thing I

40
00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,560
learned in terms of maximising
their learning and their

41
00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,760
progress was to make it fun, to
make it a positive place to be.

42
00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,680
I know that sounds really
stupid.

43
00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,240
Of course you're gonna make it a
positive place to be.

44
00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200
But I had previously in my head,
the best thing I need to do is I

45
00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,920
need to apply all these
pedagogies because children

46
00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,400
learn best if I do this thing in
maths.

47
00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,320
No, no, children learn best when
they want to be in your

48
00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,200
classroom.
When someone said to me, just

49
00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:44,920
don't worry because I wrote
that, I remember I had an

50
00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,720
observation once and I wrote
this Lesson plan.

51
00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,960
It was like 4 pages long and
they were like, you don't need

52
00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,200
to do this.
And I was like, no, no, no,

53
00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,640
because I'm going to prove to
you all these things that I'm

54
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,640
doing.
And actually this is how the

55
00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,440
children are going to learn this
thing because I'm, because I'm

56
00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,960
God this, I've got this Bloom's
taxonomy.

57
00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,120
And they're like, yeah, you
don't need to do this.

58
00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,680
What what you need to do is, is
just make your environment like

59
00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:03,920
a really nice place for the kids
to be.

60
00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,840
So to foster learning.
And it felt so obvious, but I

61
00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,960
was like, well, yeah, of course.
And from then I was like, no,

62
00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,920
everything I do, the absolute
heart of everything I ever do

63
00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,640
is, will the children smile when
they come into the classroom

64
00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,520
because of their previous
experiences with me?

65
00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,120
Will they smile when they leave
this classroom because I've made

66
00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,640
sure that they've had an
enjoyable time?

67
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,640
And I don't know, maybe that's a
really basic thing, but it took

68
00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:26,280
me a bit of time to really put
that out of the heart of

69
00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,960
everything.
Do you think that's applicable

70
00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,040
in wider life in general as
something you've learned as if

71
00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,120
to get the best out of the
children at your school and and

72
00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,680
how they react to you and what
what's important in life

73
00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,880
essentially?
Do you find yourself applying

74
00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,400
this to other things now where
you think to yourself, do you

75
00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,960
know what my main goal actually,
no matter who you are, is that

76
00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,000
you feel a sense of belonging,
enjoying yourself to get the

77
00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,560
best out of people?
Or is it very specific to

78
00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,680
school?
I think it started very specific

79
00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,800
to school, but I would say
passively, I, I apply it to

80
00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,480
wider life.
Like even, you know, obviously

81
00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,640
with, with our choosing company,
even with our tutors, I, I'm

82
00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,400
always thinking just as, as
adults, not children in this

83
00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,560
case, what can I do to make
their lives better?

84
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,560
What can I do to make sure
they're happy that, you know,

85
00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,000
that they're smiling and that,
and they enjoy working for us.

86
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,240
Like even the other day I had
one of our tutors message me

87
00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,520
and, and they'd made a mistake
on something and they were

88
00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:16,760
really, really panicking about
this.

89
00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,600
And, and I can imagine some
people's gut reaction and be

90
00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,520
like, Oh yeah, that's, that's
awful.

91
00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,440
Actually, that's really
dreadful.

92
00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,880
You need to do this, this and
this to rectify this, you know,

93
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,160
classic like boss syndrome.
And I was like, no, that's just

94
00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,520
not remotely helpful.
Why would that be helpful in any

95
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,840
way?
They made a mistake And, and I,

96
00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,400
my response was, oh, I've done
that before.

97
00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,440
I've made that exact mistake.
And this is how, this is how it

98
00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,840
got over it.
And it wasn't so bad in the end.

99
00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,200
Don't worry about it.
We'll just deal with it this

100
00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,640
way.
And they literally replied being

101
00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,880
like, oh, thank you for
reassuring me.

102
00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,160
That's the genuine their
response.

103
00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,840
And I was like, oh, yeah, OK.
It is just good to be nice to

104
00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,600
people and make people feel
happy and welcome.

105
00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,240
I think you get the best out of
people in in every situation

106
00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,480
from children to adults to
whatever it is.

107
00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,280
I don't know about you.
Do you think, do you think,

108
00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,760
Zane?
By the way, on my point before I

109
00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:55,200
ask you, no.
I.

110
00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,760
I agree with what you're saying
completely.

111
00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,680
I think it's important.
I think that's part of my, what

112
00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,040
I got from out of teaching was,
was that, you know, I want to

113
00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,280
make everyday enjoyable for
them.

114
00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,560
And I, and I don't mean fun.
I'm not saying every single

115
00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,240
lesson in the world needs to be
fun all the time.

116
00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,840
So you can really misconstrue
what we're saying here because

117
00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,480
you don't have to be all singing
or dancing.

118
00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,320
If you walked into my classroom,
there would be times where we

119
00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,200
have extended periods of
silence.

120
00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,680
We're working, we're working
hard.

121
00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,160
But in general, as a vibe, the
children want to be in there.

122
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,000
How do I get them working hard
in the 1st place?

123
00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,920
Because they want to be in the
room, they're enjoying it, they

124
00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,640
want to show off, they feel
confident, they don't mind

125
00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,000
making a mistake.
That anxiety is lessened.

126
00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,480
They get more out, we get more
out of them.

127
00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,280
So I don't think it's like 1 all
the, I think it's both.

128
00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,840
And I just think you can also
not have that as your main goal

129
00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:41,720
and priority or you might as a
teacher genuinely not feel as

130
00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,040
confident being fun or engaging,
etcetera.

131
00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,440
But I still think you can be a
good teacher.

132
00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,960
I think this is a very personal
question and in that case I

133
00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,600
completely agree.
When I have those interactions

134
00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,920
with parents at the end of the
year and you get those lovely

135
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,680
parents who will really take the
time to talk to you and give you

136
00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,320
some feedback or whatever,
whether it's in a card or when

137
00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,880
they talk to you in person.
And when you get that feedback,

138
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,160
that's along the lines of my
child was really nervous or some

139
00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,280
other sort of negative emotion
at the start of the year and

140
00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,480
they've loved coming to your
class and you've really brought

141
00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,320
them out of their shell.
Those kind of conversations to

142
00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,720
me, I'm like, oh, they're the
absolute, like golden winners,

143
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,960
the stuff.
Oh, they're the much better

144
00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,360
maths now.
I'm like, cool, that's, it's

145
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,800
good.
Then the basics of my job, you

146
00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,240
know what?
That's at the start of my job.

147
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,360
That was it.
That was all it was.

148
00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,720
Yeah.
And but yeah, I learned to

149
00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,120
really, really put on a pedestal
the more holistic side of, of,

150
00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,720
of developing children and
making sure they love, they're

151
00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680
there all the time.
So like we really should be

152
00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,280
prioritising, should we make
their lives enjoyable where

153
00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,200
they're spending like 80% of it,
probably let's do that.

154
00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,200
But anyway, that's, that's my
thing.

155
00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,160
I think it's, I think it's,
it's, it's, it's shaped me as a

156
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,200
teacher definitely over the
years.

157
00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,360
What about you?
What's the What's the best

158
00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,560
experience you've?
I I not best experience, but the

159
00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,440
the best thing I've learned like
the thing the thing.

160
00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,480
If I look at myself when I
started teaching to now, having

161
00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,960
taught for nearly ten years, I
would say the best thing I've

162
00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,440
learned is about children in
general.

163
00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,280
It's all to do with the
children.

164
00:05:58,280 --> 00:05:59,800
Obviously.
It's the most important thing in

165
00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,160
the world.
I think when it comes to your

166
00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,840
teaching job.
It's not to underestimate them,

167
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,600
it's to, to understand and, and
get children way more than I did

168
00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000
beforehand because I definitely
start my career.

169
00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,360
I, I, you know, I didn't even
think of, I thought they just,

170
00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,600
they don't know what they're
talking about.

171
00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,080
There's little kids saying
otherwise.

172
00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,120
Yeah, just going to teach them
some maths.

173
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,800
I'm just going to go in and I'm
just going to teach them what

174
00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,000
perimeter is.
It's going to be all good.

175
00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,560
We're going to go through this
and that and they're just kids

176
00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,280
at the end of the day.
But I've learned so much like

177
00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,000
genuine emotional intelligence
from children, resilience, the

178
00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,480
amount of children I come across
over my time teaching where I

179
00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,360
thought you're you're more
resilient than most adults I

180
00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,520
know because I know your home
life and I know your situation

181
00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,720
and, and you can brush things
off and you can work hard and

182
00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,560
you can get on and you can make
friends and you can control your

183
00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,680
emotions.
And they're like little sponges.

184
00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,040
They really take everything in.
And yeah, that's the number one

185
00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,320
thing I've learned is to
basically never underestimate a

186
00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,360
child, never just think, oh,
they're just kids.

187
00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,960
What are they going to do?
What are they going to know

188
00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,720
about?
It's the classic thing online

189
00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,120
when when you maybe see a story
and of what a 7 year old did or

190
00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,680
an 8 year old did, and the
classic person has no idea what

191
00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,320
they're talking goes that would
never happen.

192
00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,240
Why are you making things up?
And I, and I sit there sometimes

193
00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,080
and think I've had these
conversations with eight-year

194
00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,680
olds. 8 year olds are like that.
You don't understand unless you

195
00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,640
work with them.
Like you said, 40 hours a week.

196
00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,440
You're in school constantly with
these children.

197
00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,080
They're bloody amazing people.
And I think I always remember my

198
00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,360
tutor at, at school, sorry, at
university, who was the person

199
00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,160
kind of liaised with the whole
year when I was learning the

200
00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,320
academic side.
She was a math specialist.

201
00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,960
I love maths and and I was a
math specialist.

202
00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,000
That about you in principle, I
don't know.

203
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,960
I don't remember in essence, I
don't think you did, but I did.

204
00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,440
And I remember at the end of the
year when we reflected on my

205
00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,200
PCA, because I did my PCA and
she, she asked this question.

206
00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,000
I think I mentioned this before
she asked a very simple question

207
00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,240
that was so loaded and made me
feel so good.

208
00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,600
But I felt confident answering
it and it was what do you think

209
00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,680
has made your training year so
successful?

210
00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,360
So it's pre empted with the fact
it was successful, which was

211
00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,920
nice for me to hear from her.
But also she was genuinely

212
00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,680
asking me and I felt the same
thing where she wasn't just

213
00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,680
thinking oh this is just a
student, this is just a guy's

214
00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,600
trained for a year.
She was genuinely thinking

215
00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,960
what's made what has made it
successful because she valued my

216
00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,360
opinion on something.
And.

217
00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,480
And again, my answer linked so
chained down from that where I

218
00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,360
said I think it was successful
because I really just respected

219
00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,040
the children as individuals.
I didn't think of them as

220
00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,600
homogeneous.
BLOB who just, you know, just.

221
00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,240
Sit down.
I've got to teach to this BLOB.

222
00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,960
Every child's an individual.
Every child's interesting.

223
00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,160
Every child has interests and
and wants and needs and desires.

224
00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,440
And yeah, that that's what
unlocked for me after, I can say

225
00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,960
after my career of being a
primary school teacher, I became

226
00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,919
so much more hyper aware of
everyone in the whole world has

227
00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:36,679
a different background, a
different motive, a different

228
00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,159
love, a different desire, a
different one, a different need,

229
00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,000
and a different way of reacting
to the world.

230
00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,840
Yeah, I became way more hyper
aware of that.

231
00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,560
And I do apply that now way more
to everyone in general.

232
00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,040
Yeah, just not underestimating
people.

233
00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,840
Yeah, completely not
underestimating them and just,

234
00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,880
and just understanding that just
because I'm not in a situation

235
00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,360
or, or I'm not in a place where
I might have a certain worldview

236
00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,320
or I'm not in a, in a point of
the world that is relatable to

237
00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,000
like, I don't relate to that.
Yeah.

238
00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,560
Doesn't mean it's not valuable,
doesn't mean it's not valid.

239
00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:06,760
Doesn't mean it's not real.
Yeah.

240
00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,360
Doesn't mean it's not something
you shouldn't think about.

241
00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,840
Exactly that.
And it's like, like I said the

242
00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,040
other day when I said about how
I'd love British Sign Language

243
00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,560
to be in schools and rolled out.
Yeah, there, there'll be people

244
00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,480
out there who would never think
of that and be like, oh, it's

245
00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,720
nothing, nothing to do with me.
I don't care.

246
00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,880
What?
What do you mean you don't care

247
00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,680
because it's nothing to do with
you, is there?

248
00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:23,440
As simple as your worldview
gets?

249
00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,040
If it doesn't, don't directly
reference you as you're not the

250
00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,960
main character.
And that's how we can sum up.

251
00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,400
Basically, you're not the main
character.

252
00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,320
There's there's just individuals
out there and children are the

253
00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,160
most pure version of that, I
think.

254
00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,560
Yeah, I like that you're a side
question.

255
00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,160
You are.
Do you look at me as a

256
00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,120
homogeneous?
BLOB, you're an MPC to me.

257
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,560
You just sit there.
I've got to guess what you're

258
00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:44,520
going to say.
And homogeneous BLOB might be

259
00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,840
your new nickname.
Yeah.

260
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,360
HB for sure.
HP come over here mate.

261
00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,640
What's that stand for again?
No, don't worry.

262
00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,680
About happy birthday.
Yeah, sure, sure thing.

263
00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:53,200
Homogeneous.
Sorry, what?

264
00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,320
Sure thing.
Happy.

265
00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,600
Happy, Yeah.
Right, let's move on.

266
00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,120
That's good.
I like.

267
00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,760
That question, thank you.
Next question you can only bring

268
00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,600
one snack in for break time at
school every single day.

269
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,000
What is it?
I, I think we should spend 15

270
00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,800
seconds Max on this.
OK, I think we should count in

271
00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,840
and say the same snack, say
this.

272
00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,560
We're going to say this.
I I like.

273
00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,000
This is planned.
OK, All right, go on.

274
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,600
Let's do it.
OK, Ready. 3. 21 whisper Golds

275
00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,560
OK, fair enough Charlie.
Whisper Golds specifically if

276
00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:22,880
I'm picking.
If you ask the next question,

277
00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:23,960
what's the best chocolate is
whisper?

278
00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,880
Golds can you just can you just
spend 20 to 30 seconds

279
00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,640
explaining why Whisper Golds are
the best chocolate?

280
00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,240
But genuinely, he's like an
avatar.

281
00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,200
I'm going to talk about Mode,
OK?

282
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,240
Because their chocolatey
goodness filled with rich

283
00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,200
caramel inside.
And the rich caramel just melts

284
00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,440
you.
Right.

285
00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,960
OK.
Next question, what would you be

286
00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,160
doing if you didn't become a
teacher?

287
00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:46,440
Because I don't think it would
be marketing.

288
00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,960
I was selling whisper gold
buddy.

289
00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,480
This homogeneous blood will be
selling whisper golds bud.

290
00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,000
What would you be do if you I
wasn't a teacher?

291
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,480
This is genuinely the next
question on the list.

292
00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,320
Yeah, Yeah.
That's a good question.

293
00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,960
I think before I got into
teaching my arms would have

294
00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:04,120
been, I have no idea genuinely.
I liked maths, I liked media and

295
00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,080
I liked the idea of going down a
media route.

296
00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,400
I mean, it's come.
We're kind of bringing, bringing

297
00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,480
elements and on the old podcast.
Can you imagine if we didn't?

298
00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,720
I hate media.
I hate content creation

299
00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,760
production.
Integrations sucks but I get a

300
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,640
media degree and I but I was at
the, you know, when you're 18,

301
00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,440
I'm sure some 18 year olds are
switched on.

302
00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,560
I was not.
I did not know what I wanted to

303
00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:25,080
do.
I had very recently found a love

304
00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,840
of media at about 17 1/2 years
old and thought, well, I better

305
00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,880
take something and and did that.
But I did really enjoy it.

306
00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,280
So I imagine I'd maybe have
liked to have pursued a career

307
00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,760
in, in television or film or
something like that, or even

308
00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,680
like radio, radio maybe doing
like podcasts in my face.

309
00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:39,480
Yeah.
You'll be pleased to know

310
00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,840
everyone.
You can watch this podcast if

311
00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,680
you're listening.
Can you see this face?

312
00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:44,920
Do you?
Feel like you were really pushed

313
00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,680
into going to university then,
because it sounds as if

314
00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,800
realistically you absolutely
probably should not have gone to

315
00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,040
university at that point.
Yeah, yeah.

316
00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,240
I yeah, I couldn't ask that more
strongly.

317
00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,480
Yes, I was absolutely pushed by
every single internal factor

318
00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,040
possible.
From school to family to every

319
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,760
to life was like, yeah, go to
university.

320
00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,320
If you had your time again,
would you God?

321
00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,560
It's hard to question, isn't it?
Because obviously you're only.

322
00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,000
Way you are now.
But but you know, if it was like

323
00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,120
an alternate universe, I can go
back and I can see another

324
00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,080
version of my life, I would
absolutely be encouraging not

325
00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,320
to, not to go to university and
go and just do honesty, just

326
00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,400
even just take another year or
two to figure out what you

327
00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,560
actually want to do.
Because now years and years

328
00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,360
later, when I do feel like I
understand myself a bit more, I

329
00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,120
think if I could go back in time
with my brain now, I'd be, I'd

330
00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,000
be very much pushing myself to
do something to do with like

331
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,200
tech computer, like coding.
I find since we obviously had a

332
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,040
couple of businesses and we've
worked with people who do all of

333
00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,880
that stuff for us, I always find
it unbelievably fascinating to

334
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,040
see how the back end of a
website gets built or just how a

335
00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,120
website gets built in general,
all the coding that goes behind

336
00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,680
software.
I just find it absolutely

337
00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,960
fascinating.
I think I would probably have

338
00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,400
really, really enjoyed learning
all that in my early 20s and

339
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,520
then using that later on.
So that's, you know, somewhere

340
00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,880
there between media and sitting
behind the screen doing tech,

341
00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,280
you know, really close, really
closely linked things, somewhere

342
00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,440
in the middle maybe.
Don't know?

343
00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,200
What about you?
But it's a bigger job you do.

344
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,040
It would be that.
For context to everyone, Hayden

345
00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,240
put about 10,000 hours into
playing Runescape and he was

346
00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,120
growing up.
He is a PC.

347
00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,760
Hang on a minute.
No, no, no, no.

348
00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,680
I absolutely.
I'd be a Runescape elder.

349
00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,400
I don't know what it's.
Called, I'd be creating

350
00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,920
Runescape 4.
I'd be working on that game.

351
00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,880
Thank you.
Yeah.

352
00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:29,120
The everything about what I do,
I, my passion is I, I actually

353
00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,480
really, really like being
creative.

354
00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,000
Like I love being creative.
There's nothing I get more of a

355
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,960
buzz out of.
And that's why I like sometimes

356
00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,720
planning lessons.
I like the process of thinking,

357
00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,880
what's the end goal?
Where are we starting and what's

358
00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,400
the best possible way to bring
people along on that journey?

359
00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,320
And I like acting.
I like, I like being, I like

360
00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,680
being funny where possible.
I like comedy.

361
00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,960
Yeah, I like it.
We're.

362
00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,760
Not good at everything.
We like mate, I like, you know,

363
00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,320
like I like, like, I love the
side of social media.

364
00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,400
I'm running the Instagram and
stuff.

365
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like making funny little memes

366
00:13:58,560 --> 00:13:59,960
and reels and stuff.
And I'm not saying that would be

367
00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,840
my job, but what?
But it's turning into my job,

368
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,680
hopefully.
I mean, the way we're going like

369
00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,240
it is good.
It's going to start actually

370
00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,840
kind of spreading out a bit more
and hopefully it's something we

371
00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,440
can do more of because I enjoy
it.

372
00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,560
But if I think going back, what
I'd like to do, it is absolutely

373
00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:16,400
that like we started a YouTube
channel with my mates when we

374
00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,000
were like 15/16/17.
We do little skits, we try and

375
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,840
be funny again.
Like I love comedy.

376
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,920
I love, I love that kind of
thing where you can have that

377
00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,600
creative edge and just be
thinking what's a clever way of

378
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,360
doing this?
Because I think intelligence and

379
00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,920
comedy are really closely
linked.

380
00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,600
I think you to be really funny,
you usually have to be

381
00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,520
incredibly intelligent.
Simpsons.

382
00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:37,800
Yeah, completely.
Exactly.

383
00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,880
Simpsons, I used to grow up
watching that stuff, thinking

384
00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,040
this is the funny, there's a
joke every 10 seconds.

385
00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,200
Yeah, that's coherent and makes
sense and is embedded in a

386
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,000
story.
I love that kind of stuff.

387
00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,400
So I think, yeah, I think I'd
still be hopefully, you know, if

388
00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,280
I wasn't a teacher, I think I'd
be doing what I'm doing now,

389
00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,040
which is being more creative,
putting out stuff on media,

390
00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,680
doing this podcast, filming
these videos, doing these reels

391
00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,680
and Internet stuff.
I'd, I'd like to think if I'd be

392
00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,800
doing that, but maybe like more
meta or in a different, you

393
00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,560
know, situate, not education
necessarily would have the

394
00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,680
background in it, but something
where it's like I, I would get

395
00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,280
so much enjoyment out of doing.
That it's funny to think isn't

396
00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,520
it, how teaching is like low key
passively exactly that anyway

397
00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,520
when you're in front of the kids
Oh yeah like it you really are

398
00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,040
going into performance mode and
it and I do think it's linked to

399
00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,880
like how successful you are is
the.

400
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,400
Reason you love that?
No, there's a reason we love

401
00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,080
teaching the children is because
we have that love of that

402
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,000
performance.
That's what I mean.

403
00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,760
Like it's so funny how I didn't
know that going into teaching,

404
00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,560
but it is funny how it did end
up being hilariously really

405
00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,840
quite linked.
And I think I've been a better

406
00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,600
teacher because I've been able
to kind of do my acting and

407
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,080
animated side of, you know, all
the media stuff with the class

408
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,840
because they like that.
It's it's more enjoyable.

409
00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,400
It's like it'd be like watching
a YouTube video where someone's

410
00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,800
not remotely media trained.
Obviously it wouldn't, it just

411
00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,480
wouldn't be as interesting
because it's you're acting.

412
00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,320
You need to know how to do that
job to make it entertaining.

413
00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,800
Yeah.
And it and it just happens to be

414
00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,720
that's a huge part of teaching
entertaining kids.

415
00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,720
And that links back to what you
said earlier about your

416
00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,280
favourite part and what you've
learned about the job.

417
00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,360
It's that it's that, you know,
making something enjoyable for

418
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,800
the children is not easy to do.
It's not an easy thing.

419
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,320
And and that is a skill set.
And I think, yeah, I'd like to

420
00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,360
think that both of us would be
applying that skill set to to

421
00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,240
other areas.
Podcast full of synergy, isn't

422
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:14,480
it?
It's.

423
00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,800
Full of synergy, It's full of
energy.

424
00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,960
There's a good energy in the
gym.

425
00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,720
If you know what film that's
wrong, please comment down

426
00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,240
below.
There's a good energy in the

427
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,360
gym.
I don't know what what.

428
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,040
Good energy in the gym?
That sounds like something from.

429
00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,880
Like Rocky?
OK, I'll reveal the answer.

430
00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,200
It's not Rocky, it's a comedy
film.

431
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,840
I'll reveal the answer next
week.

432
00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,400
Next week, Yeah, right.
As if you're remembering that.

433
00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,000
Come on.
We've said, we've said any, any

434
00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,280
veteran listeners, there's been
things in podcasts before where

435
00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,280
in the episode at the beginning
we've said, oh, at the end we'll

436
00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,240
do this thing within 3 minutes.
We've completely forgotten.

437
00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,000
And don't ruin the facade, just
saying well organised machine

438
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,640
that we're just getting our
screenshoted Instagram questions

439
00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,800
from you've.
Got more than one on the screen.

440
00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,720
This time, because I'm like
avidly rolling, scrolling up and

441
00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,280
down, where's the next question?
OK, I want you.

442
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,000
Well, I don't.
The listener does want you to

443
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,880
pick a time to go to bed for the
rest of your life, but it must

444
00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,680
be the same time every single
day, no matter whether you've

445
00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,160
worked, you're free, you're on
holiday, whatever.

446
00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,599
One time that you go to bed
every single day.

447
00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,440
And just for context, this
person has put at the end, for

448
00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,960
example 10:00 PM in case you
weren't able to think of a time.

449
00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:27,720
I tell you what, I was
struggling.

450
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,360
So they've saved me there to
think of a time.

451
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,920
That's actually, the more I
think about it, a really hard

452
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,720
question because obviously
sometimes you want to stay up

453
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,040
late.
I I had a wedding last.

454
00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,160
Week thanks for this.
Whoa, this is insightful guys.

455
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,040
You you clicked on the right.
Podcast.

456
00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,160
No 'cause I was just saying your
first.

457
00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,200
I was like, yeah.
'Cause sometimes you want to be

458
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,040
go to bed late and sometimes you
want to be go to bed early, kind

459
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,520
of.
Spoil the question there, I

460
00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,600
think.
Really be a question.

461
00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,000
That's what makes it
challenging, bud.

462
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,240
I don't know where this voice is
coming from the second time I've

463
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:54,920
done that.
For some reason.

464
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,840
Someone did ask us to an accent.
Oh, yeah.

465
00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,120
I said I'd do the rest in
Australia, didn't I?

466
00:17:58,120 --> 00:17:59,320
And please don't ever do that.
I'm not.

467
00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,360
I'm not gonna do that.
I wouldn't.

468
00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,920
I wouldn't offend anybody.
Yeah, I'm quite a late person

469
00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,360
anyway.
I think I would pick half 11

470
00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,400
every every day.
Yeah, half 11, because I reckon

471
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,520
I'm not far from that.
Anyway.

472
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:13,560
To be honest.
True.

473
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,800
Yeah, I think I'd go late.
Yeah, like I didn't actually

474
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,680
just don't do it for me.
I had to be sat in bed wide

475
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:18,920
awake for a bit.
Yeah.

476
00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,200
So I'd.
I'd say half ten.

477
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,800
I thought you're going to be.
At 114511.1, maybe I.

478
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,240
Want to be up exactly 1 minute
after you?

479
00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:29,760
Yeah, I like a late night.
Yeah.

480
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,760
OK.
This next question maybe linked

481
00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,040
in with that if you want to have
your late night.

482
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,240
I thought this was such an
interesting question.

483
00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,080
Yeah, exactly.
It's moving in and out, in and

484
00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,800
out.
I, I think this is a fantastic

485
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,880
question.
It's something we would push

486
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,360
back on where we've said before,
collective action, say no, don't

487
00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:45,200
do stuff.
Yeah.

488
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,320
And this kind of challenges me a
lot.

489
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,320
So I'm very interested to hear
what you say.

490
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,440
Thoughts on ways in which to
gain vital experience for

491
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,880
leadership roles in school and
to stand out in interviews, EG

492
00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:01,720
going above and beyond, giving
up time, doing more work.

493
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,680
Is that a good or a bad thing?
Because I look at that and I

494
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,160
think, do you know what?
If you want that role, you go

495
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,640
above and beyond, you do more,
you set yourself apart from your

496
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,480
peers.
But does that go against what we

497
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,280
always say, which is no, no, no,
no, don't, Don't give up your

498
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,320
life.
Don't be a martyr.

499
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,600
Is it martyrdom?
I don't know.

500
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,440
I think there's a middle ground.
I think a lot of the time I'm

501
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,080
talking about don't do all this
stuff for martyrdom.

502
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,600
It's because like you literally
don't have to.

503
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,040
You not even interested in
climbing other.

504
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,520
That's kind of often where I'm
thinking.

505
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,120
But some people that, yeah, I
think if you want to climb the

506
00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,520
ladder, I don't think it's
completely off the table to say,

507
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,000
yeah, just drop in, do the extra
thing.

508
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,560
Make sure you make sure you
attend this voluntary meeting.

509
00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,080
Make sure you do this other
thing after school.

510
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,280
Make sure you just check in with
the head.

511
00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,000
You know, I don't know what, I
don't know what those things

512
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,040
might be, but I do think there
is a scope for doing that.

513
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,560
Well, let's go back to the
literal example we had the other

514
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,320
week, which was your 24 year old
self who's willing to do

515
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,680
everything and anything to get
that mass role, and yourself.

516
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,600
Now, who wouldn't be?
Is is that OK?

517
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,800
Fine, you know, give it to that
guy who's willing to go back and

518
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:01,680
beyond.
Is that enough?

519
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,320
Should that be something we we
value and cherish and put in a

520
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,280
pedestal of, wow, you're willing
to sacrifice yourself?

521
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,840
Because traditionally, yes, the
answer is yes, you should.

522
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,800
But does it just go against our
literal core beliefs?

523
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,960
I think there's almost 2
questions.

524
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,840
I feel like we're merging
together a few things here I

525
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,120
want to try and clarify.
So firstly, I don't, I think if

526
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:26,640
your school is hiring people
based on who does the most extra

527
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,120
voluntary stuff, that probably
is already a hugely flawed

528
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,000
system in terms of you're trying
to go up to a leadership

529
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,200
position.
Realistically what they should

530
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,280
be doing is looking at your
actual like traits as a well.

531
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,040
Like if you if you've been
working there for 10 years,

532
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,040
there are some traits that
you'll probably have that you

533
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,000
literally that one year old,
that one year old, that one year

534
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,400
in, one year old version of.
Me that's a one way to save

535
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,880
money in this school system
you've got boss baby you've.

536
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,880
Done it.
You have to pay him.

537
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,480
It's my assistant.
Sorry.

538
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,320
He's just, he's just being fed.
Yeah, give us a second.

539
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,240
But go back to it Whisper.
Gold, obviously.

540
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,880
Yeah, we need on a whisper.
Gold.

541
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,440
I was actually brought up on
Whisper Gold.

542
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,280
So that one year in version of
me, there are just some, there

543
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,000
are some traits that I just
wouldn't even have had.

544
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,880
Like, yeah, I could have.
I could have, I don't know,

545
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,000
stayed behind, planned extra
lessons or doing whatever it

546
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,080
was.
Would that not have been enough?

547
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,880
Then I know I think in a good
school, like when you're when

548
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,880
you're looking for someone to go
into that managerial leadership

549
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,960
position, a lot of the time it
is genuinely because of their

550
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,080
experience.
Yeah, OK.

551
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,640
That's a broad range of things.
What?

552
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,160
About an equally experienced
pair and one person is genuinely

553
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,920
doing in their role before they
even get into leadership.

554
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,160
They're genuinely doing like 15
hours extra a week of like they

555
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,840
go to all the discos, they they
run an after school club, they

556
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,680
help out around the school loads
and loads, which is all well,

557
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,200
they're all objectively lovely,
nice, good things to do.

558
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,000
Should that person be getting
the nod ahead of someone with

559
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,960
equal experience, equal traits,
who simply doesn't go above and

560
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,600
beyond and doesn't do extra
because my gut instinct says

561
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,120
yeah, they should?
See, on paper I don't think they

562
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,960
should or genuinely on paper, if
it really is properly

563
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,760
objectively down to who's got
the skill set, it, it should

564
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,680
just be looked at equally what I
but I understand why.

565
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,720
Obviously as a as a manager,
you're obviously going to be

566
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,880
thinking, well, this person's
done way more of it.

567
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,080
They're, they're obviously more
keen to.

568
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,320
Who?
Who would you hire at them too?

569
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,560
Depends.
But you imagine now we were

570
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,120
thinking, OK, OK, yeah, we've
got our tutoring.

571
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,240
We've got, we're looking at
tutors.

572
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,880
They have the exact same
experience, the exact same vibe,

573
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,440
the exact same level of ability
and and the trust that we would

574
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,720
have for them to go away and
teach and and work with us.

575
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,040
But you just, but one person
says, oh, by the way, every week

576
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,760
I'll be willing to go through
and and you know, edit all the

577
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,040
slides on any mistakes you make
or just send customers one way.

578
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,680
I'll convert them.
I'll get them in.

579
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,040
Hey, come on.
I think most.

580
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,240
People are going to pick that
person, but it's rooted in the

581
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,440
idea of, Oh yeah, because I can
take advantage of it.

582
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,960
Yeah, completely.
So like, I always don't want to

583
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,800
say I, I almost to, to champion
what we always say.

584
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,040
I'd almost be like, no, I'll
pick the other person who

585
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,840
actually has some respect for
boundaries.

586
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560
Because I tell you what, as a
leader, if I'm really trying to

587
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,840
foster an environment where
people aren't being taken

588
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240
advantage of all the time and
also raising the bar for

589
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,120
everybody else all the time,
which I think is something I

590
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,560
value, I'd pick the person who
is equally.

591
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,640
If they're genuinely are equal
and that's the only difference,

592
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,240
I'd probably pick the person who
isn't willing to to go home and

593
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,720
do all that because it's more
likely that the person that does

594
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,080
do all this extra stuff will
then just start passing that

595
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,640
down everyone else.
It will be trickling down to

596
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,880
everybody else.
So why aren't you doing all this

597
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,680
stuff?
I'm the leader now.

598
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,200
I'm in charge now, don't you
know, actually?

599
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,280
And I've been doing all this
stuff.

600
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,960
I've been marking it more than
you.

601
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,400
I've been doing way more than
this stuff than you.

602
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,120
So you guys should be as well.
If I was a leader who actually

603
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:26,480
cared, I wouldn't want that
person doing that from my point

604
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,160
of view.
So it so the reason I was kind

605
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,640
of to prevent that is because I
think in the real world, a lot

606
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,840
of leaders don't really care.
And I think a lot of leaders

607
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960
would just absolutely pick the
one who's willing to do more for

608
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,840
free.
Why not?

609
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,520
Well, so budgets of time, not
even just thinking

610
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,400
statistically, realistically.
Yeah, exactly.

611
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,960
There's a whole range there from
not caring to to literally just

612
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480
being forced of the hand force.
But yeah, I I hope I made

613
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,360
myself.
No, you did.

614
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,360
I think I think that was the
perfect answer.

615
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,600
I do agree with you by the way.
I'm just trying to push really

616
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,120
to like the the ends of this
kind of hypothetical we've got

617
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,520
here.
But I think you're absolutely

618
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,880
right.
And, and at the end would be

619
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000
what my answer to that would be
great, but I'm not hiring you to

620
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,680
do all this extra stuff.
Yeah, I've, I've given a job

621
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,640
spec and a role.
I'm hiring you to maybe teach

622
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,760
for an hour or two hours a week.
If you're giving me extra stuff,

623
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,000
my answer to that would be, oh,
fantastic.

624
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,280
We already have someone who we
pay to do this job.

625
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,200
Yeah, or stop.
Brilliant.

626
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,640
Thank you.
We'll pay you for that work.

627
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,480
Yeah.
So at no, at no point as a boss

628
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,320
am I thinking or rub my hands
together.

629
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,480
How much free work can I eke out
of this person?

630
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,360
I genuinely never am thinking
that.

631
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,840
And there'll be some people out
there who go.

632
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,960
That's a bad way to lead.
You need to be getting the most

633
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,880
out of your team at all times.
Brilliant.

634
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,720
That's great for you.
It's just not remotely why

635
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,080
you're.
Not milking capitalism to its

636
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,240
fullest, are you there?
Because it's called

637
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,800
exploitation.
Jeff Bezos would not be very

638
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,560
proud of that level of thinking,
would you?

639
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,880
Would he?
Yeah, but you know, that's my

640
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,240
point.
And do you know what I think

641
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,000
incentives good.
I think working hard is good.

642
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,520
Yeah.
I think that's what people

643
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,880
sometimes get wrong with you and
I, because we obviously are the

644
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,440
people who sit here and say do
your job, go home, you've got a

645
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,120
life.
You know, family is important.

646
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,440
Your work doesn't have to be be
all and end all, especially if

647
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480
you're not literally the owner
or the boss of a company,

648
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,480
etcetera.
Do you do your work, you go home

649
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,400
and enjoy your life?
But you know, we work extremely

650
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,800
hard, you and I, like I, I'm
not, I don't want to ever come

651
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,320
across hypocritical or people
thinking, oh, you're yeah, these

652
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,880
lazy lads just doing that and
going home.

653
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,960
No, we worked full time and did
a tutoring company on the side.

654
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,480
All we did was work for a long
time because we wanted to at

655
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,520
that point.
And, and this is the thing I'm

656
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,120
going to say just to kind of
finish this point off, it is

657
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:22,240
about choice for the individual
at that level.

658
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,640
You do your job, you fulfil your
contract, you wanna choose to do

659
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,120
more.
It is a good nice thing.

660
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,600
But when it comes to that, being
used against someone for a job,

661
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840
that's it.
And kind of exploiting and going

662
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,600
above and beyond a job role,
that's where I'd be like, no, do

663
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,120
you know what you should be
compensated for what you're

664
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,720
doing?
And if you're choosing not to

665
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,760
be, then okay, that's your
choice.

666
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,120
But if from the top down, you're
creating a role where you're

667
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,360
then choosing someone based on
how much free work you can get

668
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,680
out of them, that doesn't sit
right with me.

669
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,280
Because they are not getting
something out of it.

670
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000
There's no incentive for them to
do that other than beating the

671
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,960
other person in the market.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

672
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,160
And it really does.
It affects the whole culture of

673
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320
the school.
So yeah, I think from top down,

674
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,400
think about what the passive
effects might be.

675
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,480
You might, it might just be
there's a, there's a win here.

676
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,440
I'm getting free work.
But there might, there's more to

677
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,680
it.
The culture of the score might

678
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,680
change and you might not want
that.

679
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,360
So yeah, consider it.
All right, cool.

680
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:13,480
Next question.
Really important.

681
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Snog, marry.
Avoid bread, pasta, rice.

682
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,160
Classic.
The classic.

683
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,760
You're going to answer this one
first because I'm thinking about

684
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,440
this.
This is deep.

685
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,800
This is deeper than all the
previous.

686
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Questions.
OK, so snog.

687
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,560
Oh, I'd snog a bit of bread.
I'd snog a bit of bread.

688
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,680
Bread can be unreal.
Like there's so many different

689
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,320
types of bread, like the way it
comes, it tastes different, like

690
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,560
there's just so much variety and
good quality.

691
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Bread is unreal.
So I would snog bread.

692
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,560
I'd marry pasta because like,
come on pasta.

693
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,240
It's like a staple.
How many really nice dishes have

694
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,360
pasta?
I'd unfortunately avoid rice and

695
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:54,960
but the only way I'd.
You know, I love dishes with

696
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,200
rice, but I do think it's the
one thing where you can easily

697
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,040
take it away and still maintain
a quality meal and replace it

698
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,520
with, for example, bread.
Yeah, imagine being an Indian

699
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,920
takeaway.
True, right.

700
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,080
Bread or rice.
Hold the rice.

701
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,040
You know what?
I'll get a lovely garlic naan

702
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,800
dipping in my Madras.
I think it'd be amazing.

703
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,440
That is such a good point and
has almost slightly altered my

704
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,000
answer.
What do you?

705
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Want me to go first?
Yeah, you go first.

706
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,120
What do you think?
What you said.

707
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,000
No, you can say what I mean.
You can make you cry.

708
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,480
The definite one for me is I'm
killing pasta.

709
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,200
You're killing I'm killing
pasta.

710
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,680
Just see, like I get in the bin.
It's just or Internet.

711
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,440
It's boring.
One way to dip retention and

712
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,120
lose our followers.
Yeah, see a pasta and see

713
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,560
everybody else.
Yeah, but with bread, Bread and

714
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,520
rice, I.
Don't like pasta?

715
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,560
We don't want you here.
I do.

716
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,920
He doesn't.
I'm snogging rice.

717
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,320
I'm snogging rice.
I'll tell you that.

718
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,880
One more and I'm and I'm
kissing.

719
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,760
No, I'm not snogging rice and
kissing bread.

720
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,760
I'm marrying.
Bread.

721
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600
I'm snogging rice.
I'm kissing bread and I'm giving

722
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,240
brown.
I'm giving pastor a massage.

723
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,840
I switched.
Those two, because I was like,

724
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,080
oh God, you're Indian.
You're Indian take away.

725
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,560
So what's your answer is so
good?

726
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,840
Because I was going to I was
going to swap around bread and

727
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,240
and rice and have rices that are
married, but actually I'd

728
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,440
absolutely pick a naan bread
over a side of rice every single

729
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,200
time they go.
Bread's just more versatile.

730
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,520
That's the.
Thing it comes in so many

731
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,440
different.
Forms what?

732
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,600
What do you have for lunch,
Dylan?

733
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
If you come around my house and
I'm providing, God no.

734
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,640
No, honestly, honestly,
listeners listening to this

735
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,040
right?
What do we have?

736
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,840
I just like, should we get some
lunch?

737
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,920
And my heart sinks.
I'm joking because I know what

738
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,480
that means.
It doesn't mean some delicious

739
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,520
lunch that we put it means it
means a shop bought Tesco

740
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,680
baguette.
Or shop bought Tesco.

741
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Yeah.
With some kind of processed meat

742
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,640
of some sort, like.
If you wanna ignore the meat,

743
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,280
you have me at the bread mate,
you have me at baguette.

744
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,680
And it depends which Tesco you
go to, because some of them have

745
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880
a proper fresh bakery inside.
The bigger Tescos tend to have a

746
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,480
bakery.
You get really nice baguettes.

747
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,880
The small, sorry I'm still
talking, the smaller ones.

748
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,000
The smaller ones tend to buy in
their break.

749
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920
They have a proper bakery so
they buy it in half done.

750
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,880
They just cook it not as nice.
So yeah, definitely recommend.

751
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Go to your local Tesco Extra,
get yourself some Whisper Golds

752
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,720
creamy lovely chocolate and get
yourself a lovely fresh baguette

753
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,040
as well after.
There are we saying Tesco Extra

754
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,640
broad stairs If anyone wants to
quiet, is that what you get?

755
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Specifically that one.
OK, cool.

756
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,160
Yeah, yeah, All right.
No, nice.

757
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360
If anyone's in the market for a
lovely baguette, you know where

758
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,600
to go, right?
This question.

759
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Back to reality, heading back to
seriousness.

760
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,920
Being off sick.
Come back and a bunch of staff

761
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,160
are bitter because they had to
do cover for you.

762
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,680
What do you do?
Nah, bitter at them.

763
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,000
Like are they bitter at this
person?

764
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Bitter.
Just bitter, bitter thing.

765
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,600
I had to bloody sort that bro.
I think it's not cool.

766
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,440
I I there's two sides to this.
If you're in a school that

767
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240
doesn't have a particularly good
policy on this and it genuinely

768
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,360
the burden falls on staff where
it really shouldn't and it's

769
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,800
thought the SLT, not not you
being off sick right Then I can

770
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,440
see why they are bitter in
general at the situation because

771
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,840
it's like it probably shouldn't
be happening if a bunch of extra

772
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,600
workload has fallen on someone
else when it really shouldn't

773
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080
be.
But I even in that situation, I

774
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,920
don't think I'd ever make it
clear that I was like, I

775
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,320
wouldn't want the person who was
literally sick to feel like I

776
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,200
was insinuating that it's your
fault.

777
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,840
I've done this.
Yeah, I know it's I know it's

778
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,200
your fault.
That's generally what being I

779
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,080
don't, I don't choose to be sick
in all honesty, Like I wouldn't

780
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,880
expect to come to work and have
people be annoyed at me for

781
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,280
being sick.
That would That's just hard.

782
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560
I'd expect them to be annoyed if
I came in.

783
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,480
I'll yeah, if I if I said, oh,
I'm really sick and ill, but I

784
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,240
came in anyway because I'm a
trooper.

785
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,160
No, stay off.
I don't want to be ill.

786
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Yeah, don't, don't make me ill
because you can't be asked to,

787
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,480
you know, call up someone and
say I'm Mill today.

788
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,800
By the way, No, stay off sick.
It's good to stay off if you're

789
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,400
sick, especially if you work in
a school.

790
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,880
That's another master trait,
isn't it?

791
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,680
Yeah.
You know, we took workload a lot

792
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Get the person.
I mean, anyway, I've.

793
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Just got in today sleep and I'm
just waiting.

794
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,800
I thought, you know, I just
can't let the kids down.

795
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,200
You're letting the kids down
because you're going to give

796
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,280
them the flu.
That's letting the kids down and

797
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,720
me the flu.
Yeah, exactly.

798
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920
There's another class and I am
going to say off if I've got the

799
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,760
flu and then you'll be covering
me and.

800
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,560
I'll be letting you down big
time, and you'll be better at

801
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,600
me.
Yeah, maybe this guy's right.

802
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,160
Yeah.
Yeah, they should be better.

803
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,080
No, this guy isn't saying they
should be better.

804
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,080
I know I'm joking.
Like I'm saying, he's saying

805
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,840
they.
Ask a bloke.

806
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Yeah, I was.
I was.

807
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,200
Thinking it's silly dinner, and
I don't really think so.

808
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,880
Listen, I don't think this is
the podcast will be in silly.

809
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,880
It's very serious podcast.
Yeah, I don't know what any any

810
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,440
extra thoughts on that?
I feel like we're the same.

811
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Yeah, yeah, completely.
It's ridiculous.

812
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,600
Don't be bitter at the person of
being sick.

813
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,000
I will never, ever, ever be
bitter at the person of being

814
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
sick.
It's the same thing when we had

815
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,000
someone write in to say their
school gives attendance awards,

816
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,560
not just to the kids, which I
think is insane, but to the

817
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,600
actual teachers too.
In assembly.

818
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,640
Well done for 100%.
Get in the bin.

819
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040
I'm an adult, get over it.
I'm interested in what you said

820
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,840
though about policy for cover
etc.

821
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,360
And you were like well if you
have a bad cover policy then

822
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280
it's DSLT fault and that's why
they're bitter.

823
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,080
What does a good cover policy
look like?

824
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Like how do, how do you deal
with someone being off sick then

825
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,480
other than, well, you know,
someone does just have to print

826
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,280
the stuff.
Like the amount of times one of

827
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,800
my colleagues has been sick in
school and I'm like, I don't

828
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,560
even think about it.
And I'm not, I'm not bitter

829
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,600
about it.
But you think I've got to print

830
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,360
this off for them because I've
always that class won't have

831
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,720
anything to do today.
And I don't expect the person

832
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,200
covering to do it because
they're more than likely HLTA

833
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280
getting paid a pittance just to
cover in the 1st place.

834
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,440
I'm happy to do that.
I mean, the worst, there's tears

835
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,120
to this.
The worst version of this is

836
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,640
there just isn't even a proper
policy that does happen.

837
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,720
I've heard loads of schools
where it's like, unless someone

838
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
just honestly just thinks to
themselves in the team, like I'd

839
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,400
better print this thing because
no one else seems to be doing

840
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,400
it.
That's the worst one.

841
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,960
That happens a lot.
And someone else just randomly

842
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,280
picks up the workload and SLT
will just be like, Oh yeah,

843
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,520
someone will do it.
There's the second version where

844
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800
where the policy is just, it
exists, but it's not very good.

845
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,200
And the policy will be like,
yeah, someone in your team, they

846
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,240
have to, they have to meet
together and decide who's

847
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,360
printing it and sorting it all
out.

848
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,680
I'm like, OK, maybe don't do
that.

849
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,120
What I think the policy policy
should be is firstly, obviously

850
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,000
SLT need to sort cover and I
don't.

851
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,520
And like you said, I mean if
you've got a system in your

852
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080
school where there is a HOTA or
another spare teacher or

853
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,120
whatever, they can do the cover
that that's up to your school.

854
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,360
But generally they need to sort
out the cover even if that

855
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,920
includes hiring someone in.
And then I think the SLT is

856
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,760
probably part of your role to be
like, and I will as the line

857
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,720
manager be in charge of just
printing those resources and

858
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,880
getting them ready and leave
them in the room.

859
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240
I think that's, I don't think
that should fall on another

860
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,480
teacher or Atai think that
absolutely falls on the line

861
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200
manager or the whoever the SLT
is to go ahead and do that and

862
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480
print the things off and make
sure the lesson is resourced for

863
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,480
whoever is covering it.
What if there's no lesson

864
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,160
because they're off sick?
Maybe the 2nd, 3rd, 4th day they

865
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
they but they're not planning
because they're sick so they

866
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,240
can't plan either.
Yeah, they're true.

867
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,640
If it's, if it's more than A1
for entry school, I think you

868
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,440
just have to borrow plans from
the from the subsequent teacher.

869
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,800
If it's a school that's been
established for more than a

870
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600
year, I think you just need to
dip back into last year's plan

871
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,440
and just see what was done.
There's going to be lots of

872
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,400
layers I think here where you're
not actually going to be left

873
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,280
completely short.
End of the day, if if you are

874
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,880
left completely, completely
short, there's one for mentary

875
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,960
school.
They haven't, you know, a lot of

876
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,760
schools say you need to submit
your planning a little bit early

877
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,600
anyway.
They haven't done any of that.

878
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Then honestly, at that point, it
is the problem.

879
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,880
It's what I'm trying to say is
it's the problem of the SLT, the

880
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,400
policy.
Maybe the policy needs to be

881
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
even better then and have a
contingency plan for this exact

882
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,720
situation.
If you're in a school like that,

883
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,280
they should have.
Maybe we've already thought

884
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:00,160
about that.
Yeah.

885
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,320
If this happens in our school
where we're really vulnerable to

886
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,120
this because we're one form and
it's brand new and there's no

887
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
previous planning, then this is
what we do.

888
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
We have this two weeks of
planning that works for each,

889
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,040
for, you know, one block for
each year group.

890
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,360
And we just pick that up, like
you said, off the shelf and we

891
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,639
use that in an absolute
emergency situation.

892
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,199
Basically what I'm trying to say
is a good school will have a

893
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,280
policy and contingency for all
of these things that doesn't

894
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,480
need to be a massive burden on
other teachers completely.

895
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,760
Sometimes I feel like because we
get asked these questions and

896
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,320
stuff now, we don't always,
we're not always going to have a

897
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,920
fully fleshed out like, yeah,
off the shelf.

898
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,600
This is exactly what every
school in the world should do.

899
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,760
But but you're right, like the
the the answer to that question

900
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,440
is like, if your school is
vulnerable to that, you've got

901
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,159
to have some proactiveness in
thinking, not just, well, Shelly

902
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,639
will sort it.
Yeah, exactly when she always

903
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,360
sorts it.
Yeah, so just I don't want to

904
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,960
ignore this person, please.
What is your actual advice to

905
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,719
this person?
They'll come in and people are

906
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,840
being people, acting better.
What would you say to a person

907
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,040
in that situation?
Genuinely, I'd, I would first of

908
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,040
all, I'd, if I wanted to
actually talk to them about it

909
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,760
and like, they were my friends
and I'd be like, I'd, I'd first

910
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,280
of all explain how I've been
sick and why it's sensible to

911
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,760
stay off.
And then I've explained how it,

912
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,400
I also don't think it should be
your responsibility to have done

913
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,440
all this.
And I think I also, I act, I'm

914
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,720
bitter for you.
I'm also bitter for you because

915
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,560
I, I see why you're bitter
because I wouldn't want to be

916
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,880
doing that either.
That's crazy.

917
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,720
Let's try and solve this by
going to our line manager, going

918
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,080
to our SLT, trying to get a
situation where this doesn't

919
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
happen again.
I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't just

920
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,840
dismiss their feelings.
I'd be like, yeah, that I do.

921
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,240
You know what that is.
I get why because I'd probably

922
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,680
feel the same, but it's not.
It's not my fault and if they

923
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,800
still wanted to blame me at that
point I'd be like, I can't do

924
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,600
anything.
Yeah, yeah.

925
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,520
Go away.
Have you ever done work you

926
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,520
personally?
Have done work I don't.

927
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,840
Know I'm not sure about that.
Have you ever done work when you

928
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,760
were I'll like when sick in in
teaching?

929
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,440
Because literally because even
though you knew I don't have to

930
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,320
do this because I'm sick, but
you're doing it anyway whilst

931
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,240
you're at home, whilst you're
off, because genuinely because

932
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:47,240
you were like you felt bad or
whatever made you do it?

933
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Or have you always been like,
Nope, I'm sick, I'm not doing

934
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,400
anything?
Through no, like I don't want

935
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,160
praise or anything for what I'm
about to say, but I've not

936
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,520
really had much time off school
in my, you know, in my time of

937
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:03,400
teaching 910 years, I probably
had like in terms of actual sick

938
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,320
days where I was like, I phoned
in, I said I can't come in,

939
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,240
probably 4.
Yeah, maybe sick, to be fair.

940
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,840
No, no, I just don't.
I just, again, I'm not.

941
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,160
I'm not saying, oh, aren't I
great because I'm that martyr

942
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,840
teacher.
Yeah, yeah.

943
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,280
No, no, not at all.
I just don't get sick.

944
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,880
I just don't get ill.
I don't have sick days, really.

945
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,960
And when I do have sick days, it
is usually because I am

946
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,800
physically unable to even like
stand and deliver a lesson in

947
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,240
front of the class or, you know,
it's something where I then

948
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,800
didn't do work because I, by
definition couldn't because I

949
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,120
wasn't in school.
So I didn't drag my laptop out.

950
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,920
Oh God, I've got to get this.
The most I did, and I think, I

951
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,400
think this was completely
reasonable was I would just send

952
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,520
an e-mail with the slides and
stuff for that day.

953
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Like I just like, well, this is
already, this already exists.

954
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,600
I put the work in already.
Yeah, here's the day of lessons,

955
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,200
obviously.
And here's a paragraph

956
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,440
explaining to who I know is my
HLTA, who gets paid nothing to

957
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,160
do do this, who I really like
and is my friend.

958
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,760
I will obviously just sit and
type out the instructions for

959
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,280
today.
So that that's the most I've

960
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,960
ever done.
I've never thought to myself, oh

961
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,240
gosh, it's half 10 and I'm I'm
on the company dollar and I've

962
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,680
got to be doing something.
But I've never, ever thought

963
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,240
I've thought if I'm sick, I'm
sick.

964
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,880
No, that's probably a good
thing.

965
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680
What about you?
Yeah, I I I have to be fair.

966
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,280
Yeah, I've been.
You are a martyr, to be fair.

967
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,760
I'm a complete martyr, yeah.
But I've, the only example I can

968
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,920
think of was during assessment
week.

969
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,520
And assessment weeks are
notoriously come with tonnes of

970
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,680
marking.
And I was like, how can I?

971
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,760
I was, I felt so bad at the idea
again, because you know, it's

972
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,280
just going to be your mate, like
who's ATA who's come in to do

973
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,320
all this.
Like we didn't have a cover

974
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,920
teacher in for this.
I was like oh I can't leave them

975
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160
with like 5 hours of test
marking.

976
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,160
We did a reading comprehension
and AGPS test today and I'm off

977
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,640
like so whoopsie.
Yeah, likely someone who.

978
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,760
Yeah sorry mate.
Oh no, it happens every.

979
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,000
Single.
I just get the flu on June the

980
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,600
2nd every single year.
Yeah.

981
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,320
So I got someone to drop it off
to me after school and I sat

982
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,560
there despite being ill and not
feeling why I sat there marking

983
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,360
tests around.
Also, like, you know, if that

984
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,400
was like a job where it's very
different to stood delivering

985
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,280
lessons all day, like the
threshold for what sickness

986
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,520
means I can't fulfil that role
is like it's much easier for me

987
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,680
to kind of get there, whereas I
can just mark tests like I can

988
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,760
be groggy and not pass on an
illness, but still mark tests

989
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,480
and do that kind of thing.
So I definitely there's a

990
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,080
difference, but I would say to
anyone, if they're if they're,

991
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,840
I'll don't worry about it.
Agreed.

992
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Let's finish on this question.
I think this is a really nice

993
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,000
one to end on to think about.
If you had to scrap one subject

994
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200
entirely from the curriculum,
which one would it be?

995
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,440
So one subject goes, Bosh, gone.
Don't teach it at all, ever.

996
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,120
Do you want me to pretend
there's not a really obvious one

997
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,280
that we're both thinking?
Immediately, are you thinking of

998
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,120
modern foreign?
Modern.

999
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Foreign.
Language in primary school in

1000
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,440
primary school we've talked
about before, not even going to

1001
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,800
go too much into it, but I would
modern foreign languages is at

1002
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,240
the bottom of my list in terms
of importance of subjects at

1003
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,200
primary school specifically,
Sure.

1004
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,680
So ignoring let's let's make
this question harder.

1005
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,280
You can't pick modern foreign
languages.

1006
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,760
Otherwise this question is just
done, isn't it?

1007
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Let's pick.
You have to pick another subject

1008
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,400
because I think it, the reason
it's harder is because that's

1009
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,600
such an obvious one.
Yeah, it's harder to justify, I

1010
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,480
think.
Let's say you picked history.

1011
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Yeah, obviously you wouldn't.
Mr History in the.

1012
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,960
Green Well, we just had a great
chat with Mr Greg Jenner.

1013
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,480
I'm not going to be, I'm not
going to pick in history any

1014
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,680
time to.
Absolutely, absolutely not.

1015
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,840
But.
I know what I pick.

1016
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,440
OK, you go first then, because
I'm still thinking.

1017
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,280
I, I would, I'd pick geography.
And my reasoning for picking

1018
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,440
geography is not because I
dislike geography.

1019
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,440
I think it's unimportant.
But much like the chat guys, go

1020
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,680
and listen to that chat with
Greg Jenner earlier this week,

1021
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,720
the historian from Horrible
Histories, such a nice guy, such

1022
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:27,200
a good chat.
But we kind of we kind of

1023
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,320
touched on this a bit, which was
I, I feel like if you got rid of

1024
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,720
geography, you can, you can
overlap it with with so much

1025
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,960
other like other subjects that
you already teach.

1026
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Like for example, history,
history and geography are like

1027
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,680
embedded in each other.
Like when you, when you think

1028
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,120
about teaching a history lesson,
how many times do you get a map

1029
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,240
up at map up?
I've got northern left went

1030
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,960
northern roots.
How many times do you get a map

1031
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040
up and, and you like, you look
at the movement of people or the

1032
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,760
migration or the invasion and
it's, it's so like entrenched in

1033
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,560
it that I think the important
parts of geography that kind of,

1034
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,480
I would think primary school
children should know.

1035
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,960
I I feel like it can be embedded
in other subjects or can just be

1036
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,480
learned in year 789 like for
example.

1037
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,600
The upper course, middle course,
lower course of a river and how

1038
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,080
a delta is formed and all all
those different key vocabulary

1039
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,600
words that every single primary
school child will learn in

1040
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000
geography for a river throughout
their time in primary school.

1041
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,480
I I'm OK with children not
knowing that at the end of

1042
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,800
primary school, unless they have
a love and a desire for it, I'm

1043
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,480
OK with that.
I don't mind them not

1044
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,200
understanding how a riverbed is
formed.

1045
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,440
OK, I'm OK with that.
Whereas history, I think there's

1046
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,480
more, there are more meta skills
that you take out of science,

1047
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,760
you take out of history.
Music's creative.

1048
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,640
I wouldn't get rid of ICT for
obvious reasons.

1049
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,960
You need to be literate in the
world they're in.

1050
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,320
I think you can kind of think of
more reasons for the other

1051
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,840
subjects where geography is
like, wait till you're 7.

1052
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,200
If I had to pick one, I wouldn't
get rid of it by the way.

1053
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,000
But if I had to.
Pick.

1054
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,040
I think it's a really good
answer.

1055
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,040
I was obviously also thinking
geography.

1056
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,840
So then I start actually I
genuine because for the similar

1057
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,280
sort of reasons I like, I think
if I had to put them in a

1058
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,920
hierarchy, I think even though I
think geography is important,

1059
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,040
the point of this question is
it's hard and you have to pick

1060
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,360
one.
I think my next one after that

1061
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,320
just to make it, just to make it
a bit more interesting.

1062
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,760
If I if geography is out of the
way, now you've got rid of that

1063
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,880
one.
You can't get rid of this.

1064
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,840
You've got to follow this.
Just leave maths at the end and

1065
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,800
you're like, you say, we'll get
a sound bite if you're going.

1066
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Yeah, I'd get rid of maths and I
just click that.

1067
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,400
Yeah, click that, put it out
there, do the whole lot.

1068
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,880
Yeah, well.
Luckily I'm going to say no, I'm

1069
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,000
not going to say maths, but I
think the next one after that,

1070
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,960
this is going to sound really
hypocritical and This is why I

1071
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,560
want to say it, because I want
to challenge me.

1072
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,080
I think I'd music, yeah, I think
I would, even though I'm like a

1073
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,560
huge advocate of creative arts
in primary school because I

1074
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,680
think the I think the current
state of music like in primary

1075
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,480
schools in terms of the
curriculum and generally what

1076
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,320
primary schools have access to.
No, in this situation, we have

1077
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,320
to pick, we just have to pick
one.

1078
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,760
I wouldn't really get rid, just
to be very clear, I would I do

1079
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,920
not want to actually get rid of
music.

1080
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,120
But if I have to pick one and
geography and bottom foreign

1081
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,680
languages are not options, I
think the next one on my list in

1082
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,920
terms of not importance, but
just the the whole view of this

1083
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,000
is music.
I I just don't.

1084
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,280
I think if there was a lot more
funding in schools for music and

1085
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,200
the curriculum was better, I
think maybe it'd go higher on

1086
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,000
the list.
But at the moment, in its

1087
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,760
current state, I'd be like,
yeah, leave music to a secondary

1088
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,240
school.
If I have to pick one more,

1089
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,280
because I don't think I'd pick,
I will think all the other

1090
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,840
subjects.
I was like, no, I think I can

1091
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600
justify the other ones just a
little bit more music at that

1092
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,600
point.
So yeah, I'd be gutted to see it

1093
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,040
go, but after geography and
modify languages and we keep

1094
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,400
going, obviously in our ideal
world and eventually we're just

1095
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,000
left with English and maths.
And I think that's what the, you

1096
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,120
know, the, the governments of
the.

1097
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Control and they would love.
That's great.

1098
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:33,720
Just that.
Yeah.

1099
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,360
Nothing remotely enriching.
No.

1100
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,320
So, yeah, we don't know about
rivers, and we also don't know

1101
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,640
how to play the lock and spiel.
Yeah.

1102
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,760
But it's OK because you can tell
me what D is in Roman numerals.

1103
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,200
But you can't play AD on a
recorder.

1104
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,160
So, so out of interest, just
just to really, really round

1105
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,160
this off, yeah, obviously we're
talking about taking away a

1106
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,720
whole subject, which is insane.
Like there are obviously so many

1107
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,400
pros to each subject and why
we'd want them.

1108
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,280
Yeah, of course that question
felt like the opposite in terms

1109
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,400
of what do we lose less of if we
take it out?

1110
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For example, what I'm getting at

1111
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,240
here is I would I would sooner
take some things out of the

1112
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,400
maths and English curriculum,
which I obviously wouldn't take

1113
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,960
maths and English out of the
curriculum altogether.

1114
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,280
That's insane.
But I would sooner take out

1115
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,840
quite a big chunk of those
curriculums before I took out

1116
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,040
music.
As a whole, that's true.

1117
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,600
So that's the point I want to
get across here.

1118
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,760
Like it's tricky when you're
thinking, OK, I've got to take

1119
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,080
an entire subject picked out.
You're going to be taking out

1120
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,440
lots of good stuff.
But that's that's the.

1121
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,760
Question of this exactly.
That's what makes.

1122
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,240
It hard but but like I don't
think I don't think there's a

1123
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:34,360
single subject that I wouldn't
take some things out of before

1124
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,320
picking one more subject out
100%.

1125
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,440
So like if the option was take
out the whole of music or take

1126
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,320
out a part of history or a part
of science or a part of math, I

1127
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,440
would be taking out the part of
the other thing immediately.

1128
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,480
That would be obvious to me
that.

1129
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,360
Makes a lot of sense.
Just to go to the other end of

1130
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,240
this, what's the final thing?
Coffee list, We're going through

1131
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,640
a whittling way, everything.
What's the last subjects left in

1132
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,200
your list?
Because by definition,

1133
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,080
therefore, what's the most
important, not important, but

1134
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,240
what's the last thing you'd get
rid of?

1135
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:58,520
It's obviously going to be one
of the course.

1136
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,120
That's English by far, by far.
By far, By far.

1137
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,720
Because English is embedded in
everything you know if you can't

1138
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,720
read so.
And again, if you went one step

1139
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,800
further, it'd be reading.
Oh yeah, yeah, call down English

1140
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,360
even more.
Like if you're going to go down

1141
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,480
to like the what's the most
important thing in the world, it

1142
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,120
is English.
If you want one step further, no

1143
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,880
one's going.
To school.

1144
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,720
So in fact, it doesn't exist
anymore.

1145
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,640
Yeah, I'd say reading.
I'd say reading is the ultimate

1146
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,720
thing that unlocks so much for
people, so much understanding of

1147
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,280
the world, so much ability.
And then lots of other skills

1148
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,720
come from that, obviously.
But like, fundamentally, you

1149
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,080
have to be able to read and
write and be literate.

1150
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,240
Literacy.
There you go.

1151
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,080
That's what it is.
Literacy literally was called

1152
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,120
literacy.
Literally was called literacy.

1153
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,520
Literally.
Literally.

1154
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,080
I'd go for.
Yeah, literacy would be the.

1155
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,720
One, it's a fun thought
experiment really, isn't it?

1156
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,360
Because then after that, you
know, you guys can think as

1157
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,160
well.
Like you can then think like

1158
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,680
clearly we all, I think we
probably all agree on that exact

1159
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,800
line of thinking.
Have a look at your school.

1160
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,160
How, how, how much on a pedestal
is it?

1161
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,680
How balanced is your curriculum?
Is reading at the heart of

1162
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,560
everything?
Is it not?

1163
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Do you have loads of built in
time for reading for pleasure as

1164
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,080
well as learning reading
convention skills and passing a

1165
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,120
test?
And are you catering to children

1166
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,880
who don't enjoy reading?
I don't like it when we're like,

1167
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,040
yeah, reading for pleasure.
Of course it's important.

1168
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,720
But you, you know, OK, let's go
even one step further back to

1169
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,040
the matter of the function of
school.

1170
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,280
I think we have to be serving
every child.

1171
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,920
And I don't think the school
system right now serves it

1172
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,680
remotely near every child.
It serves a subset of children

1173
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,080
very well.
Another subset of children get

1174
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,720
on, but it's not suitable for
them, really.

1175
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,680
And there's another subset way.
It's completely the wrong

1176
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
environment for the kids.
So like if we're stripping it

1177
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,480
back even more about the
function of school and schooling

1178
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,040
in general, I don't think it's
easy and I think there's an easy

1179
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,200
option how to solve this.
But let's not pretend that it's

1180
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,160
not completely broken and not a
system that works for most kids,

1181
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,200
really.
Wow, what a question.

1182
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,640
Yeah, that was my when you
started it, I was like, oh, I'll

1183
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,120
just we'll answer this in like
20 seconds.

1184
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,400
I'll get rid of this subject
because of this.

1185
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,440
I'll get rid of this one.
Ha, ha, ha.

1186
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:55,920
Move on.
No.

1187
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
No, not in this, not in the
Teach CP questions and answers

1188
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,800
where we listen and we answer
your questions, guys.

1189
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Go and follow us on Instagram at
Teach CPP podcast, follow us on

1190
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,320
TikTok at Teach C repeat podcast
because that's where we're going

1191
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,000
to be harvesting all of our
questions from now on.

1192
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,400
Guys.
That's the end of this episode,

1193
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,320
Hayden.
One little thing to sign off,

1194
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,760
maybe.
A lion never skips leg day.

1195
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,880
Neither should you.
See you next week.

1196
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Bye, guys.