Ep 149: Listener Questions: Teacher Acronyms, Encouraging Reading & Involving Your Union!

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Sleep Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name's

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Hayden.
This week, we're back again with

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your questions.
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questions has come from today.
First things first, elephant in

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the room.
What are you doing?

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I'm I'm recording a podcast
right now you.

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Yeah, but why are you wearing
that tie?

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Oh.
Someone online said I didn't

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look smart enough for it to be a
teacher so I thought I'd up my

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game.
Unlike some who are sat here in

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their shorts and T-shirts, I'm
wearing lovely chinos and a tie.

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I tell you what, I'm going to
instantly take you much more

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seriously now.
So important.

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You always have a tie on, is it?
No, Right.

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Anyway, First things first, I've
kind of hijacked this slightly

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because I did a little quiz for
you.

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So I'm like.
You so I.

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I read last week that bar for me
talking was quite high.

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So back to media the questions
this week.

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So you get a.
Chance I get a chance to talk.

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But I've made a quiz for you.
I want people to play along at

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home.
It's an acronym quiz.

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So as we know, teaching is full
of these different letter

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acronyms that mean different
things.

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Yeah.
It's like watching an episode of

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Line of Duty.
Half the time just HG 12 into

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this and the other.
So I've got some of the most

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used teacher acronyms.
Oh, God, I'm going to put one

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minute on the clock.
Oh, no.

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And I'm going to read to you.
Yeah, these acronyms.

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And what I want you to do is if
you know what it is, shout out.

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And if you don't, you have to
just say pass and we'll move on.

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We'll see how many you can get.
OK You ready?

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OK.
I feel like can you predict?

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I want you to predict one that's
going to come up.

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PPA.
OK, cool.

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Right, let's find out.
So one minute, play along at

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home, see how many you get. 60
seconds, Let's see how many you

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can get through.
OK, I think I've got about 22.

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Oh, no, it's, I'm gonna.
I hope I don't embarrass myself.

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I think I will.
This.

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Is where we find out you
actually have never.

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Thought I just say that I just,
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll

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get that done.
I've got no idea what they're

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talking.
About.

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Well, let's find out.
Ready.

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Yeah, I'm ready.
Off we go.

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One minute starts.
Now PPA, OK, planning,

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preparation and assessment ECT
means new.

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Oh my God.
What is it?

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Yeah, early early careers
teacher, correct QTS, qualified

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teacher status, ITT, initial
teach training, CPD.

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Oh Oh my God.
I don't know.

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It means the PD means
professional development career

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paths.
PGC.

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Postgraduate certificate in
education.

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Correct Sen.
Special educational needs.

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Correct HLTA.
Higher higher learning is it

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higher?
Higher learning TA higher

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learning teaching assistant TLR
teaching and learning

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responsibility correct SLT
senior leadership team.

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Good.
PTFA parent, teacher, parent and

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teacher.
Oh my God I don't know.

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I don't know what the F is.
Parent and teacher form trust No

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PSL designated designated
safeguarding lead Good SAT

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standardised assessment tests.
That's your time man.

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I had a load more.
What is PTFA?

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Parent Teachers friends
Association.

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Friends, I've realised you know
you like I've just, I've never

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thought about the F, I've never
thought by the F.

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Brilliant.
I, I had so many more.

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I'm really over it.
How many you've had?

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No.
So that's really interesting and

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let me know how you got on at
home.

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That was my first one there.
I think you did a solid 6 out of

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10 job there.
Yeah, I mean, what did I

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actually get?
I don't know.

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I wasn't currently more than
find out in post production.

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We might not.
We might never know.

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That's a good quiz.
I felt really.

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I felt really on the spot.
I'm glad I knew most of them.

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Yeah.
I feel like I should have known

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all of them.
I definitely should have known

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all of them.
But.

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You know, yeah, it's the thing
with acronyms.

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Sometimes they become like
words.

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Yeah.
And even if you don't

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necessarily know what they mean,
I know the meaning of it.

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Gotta know what it is.
Like, yeah, it's like a thing.

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Exactly like ECT was the perfect
example.

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Yeah I know ECT's.
We weren't ECT's, we're at NQT's

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and I bet you could.
Probably tell us newly qualified

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teachers.
Right.

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So that was that was that.
Was really funny.

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I suddenly realised that yeah,
ECT replaced newly qualified

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teacher in my head.
Yes.

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And I was like, he doesn't mean
newly qualified teacher.

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I was like, I don't actually
know what that means, and then I

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have to think about it.
Careers teacher.

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Yeah.
Anyway, hey, did you're gonna

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read us the first one?
I'm, I'm gonna read, don't

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worry.
This week, I mean, you're doing

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well in your progress, but why
don't you read us the first

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question from one of our
listeners?

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Hopefully it's better than last
week as well.

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So here we go.
What?

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You're reading or the questions.
My reading and also my ability

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to input in the conversation if
you don't just talk for the

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entire time.
Well, I thought you were ripping

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our lovely listener.
Questions.

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Absolutely not, I'd never do
that.

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Off you go, Here we go.
How do you get parents to read

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with their children?
Reading has the biggest impact

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on children's learning and it
feels like once they hit key

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stage 2, parents stop caring.
We've tried parents meetings

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showing them the impacts but for
one reason or another, some

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legit but mostly because they
can't be bothered, they will not

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read with them.
Whisper whisper gold, you can

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solve.
It wait OK I whisper gold if I

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can solve it.
Yeah, I think so, yeah.

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I'm going to solve this
immediately.

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That's all I've ever needed.
Ten years of teaching.

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I'm worrying how to get kids to
read at home.

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If you dangle a whisper gold in
front of me and.

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Maybe that's a solution.
Yeah, with everyone.

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That's it.
That's it every book whispered

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God next question Cadburys get
on the blower.

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We're going to make it happen.
My my first thought to this is

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always just this is from Bob of
when you read questions.

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Hey, and you say?
Yeah.

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Well, Bob Cherry, thank you.
Just, you know, I, I would say

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to this person, the fact they're
doing all of this is almost

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enough.
And it's really, really

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frustrating.
I'm sure it's not what you want

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to hear, Bob, when when you're
asking for help.

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And we can go through a million
different ways of, you know,

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incentivizing reading, etcetera,
giving children the opportunity

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to read as much as possible,
exposing them to different

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genres, loads of stuff we can do
and accepting reading in its

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different forms.
You know, we've always talked

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about reading.
I used to love reading reports

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from the football at the weekend
that was reading Sat and read my

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newspaper.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But yeah, I don't know.

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What do you think?
Like my my gut with this is

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always that it's such an easy
thing for teachers to beat

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themselves up about when they do
genuinely not have as much

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control as we'd like.
Yeah, I I can summarise your

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answer with an acronym for a
star.

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IDK that still is that long
winded way of saying no idea

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mate.
Actually Bob crack on doing what

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you doing 'cause I don't have
anything else to input NGL.

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IMO in my yeah, yeah.
No, in all seriousness, I'm

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going to join in now and also
make myself look like a fraud

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because I think realistically
there is just a cap.

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Like you said.
I think the best thing you can

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do as a teacher is just foster
that love of learning in your

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classroom.
You cannot control the home.

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You just can't.
Like there is, you're not

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actually the parent.
I know sometimes we feel like it

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because we're so involved in in
the children's lives and we do

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so much for them and we and we
are so genuinely like interested

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in developing them.
But there is a limit like you

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can do the parents evenings.
If they don't show up, they

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don't show.
You can't go to the parents

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house and be like, wait, get to
this parent meeting.

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I'm going to tell you how
important reading is.

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There is just a point where you
can't do anymore.

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So all you can do is what you
can control, which is in the

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classroom.
Make make reading the forefront

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of everything you do.
Make it an amazing thing.

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Encourage kids to enjoy reading
as much as you can so that they

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can go home and hopefully
develop that love themselves.

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And just you know, it's it's
regardless irregardless almost

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of other factors and parents and
things.

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I always, I cringe a little bit,
and I'm sure you do too, because

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you've said before how when you
were younger you didn't really

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like reading.
Not really.

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And we've spoken a lot about can
we make people love reading?

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No, we just can't.
Like, if you really don't like

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it for every reason, that's
fine, that's OK.

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But yeah, it's, it's an academic
thing.

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It is just rooted in fact that
the more you read, the more

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likely you are to succeed
academically and get on in life

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with your qualifications,
etcetera.

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And we want children to read as
much as possible.

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I am.
I always found in my whole time

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teaching, the people who cared
the most about the kids, the

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people who understood how
important reading was, the

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people who pushed themselves to
their limits, try and get kids

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to do as much as possible.
We're the ones who are already

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doing enough were the ones who
were already by definition cared

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so much that they'd beat
themselves up over stuff out of

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their control.
And it's such like I hate that

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the fact that the people doing
the most reading and the people

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who end up annoyed at themselves
because they think, what else

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can I do?
And it's really hard to let go

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sometimes and just say this is
all I can do.

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I am doing what I can do.
And yeah, when the outcome is

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children don't read as much,
that's frustrating.

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But I think I honestly sometimes
realistic just to say we're

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doing this, this, this, this and
this.

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What more can I do guys?
Yeah, I agree.

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But there's still levels to, you
know what I mean?

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Like, you know, you sort of
said, we've said before that you

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can't, you can't make someone
love reading.

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You can't actually like do that,
you know, but what you can do

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is, is foster an environment
where they're the probability of

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them liking it is as high as
possible.

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So that's kind of if you can
just accept that, that you're

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just, you're just increasing the
probability.

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It's never going to be 100%.
It's impossible to be that, but

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but do as much as you can.
Do those parents evenings have

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awesome library trips in your
school in within your school or

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even to your local library.
Have a really cool book corner

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and get the kids to write
reviews and, you know,

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recommendations for certain
books and just really foster a

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love of of reading.
And you're just going to

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increase the probability that
those children, regardless of

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their home life, will pick up a
book and enjoy reading.

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And you know, as a teacher,
that's a good thing.

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And the set.
The sad thing is when you do all

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of that stuff, you feel like
you're not quite there still.

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I think everyone feels that
always.

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And then you think, well, what's
the point?

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Then I'll cut back.
And it's like, no, no, no, no,

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no, because then you're lowering
that possibility again.

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So I mean, not getting 100%
doesn't mean you aren't doing

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the right thing.
I think that's what I'd say to

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you, Bob.
And I hope, I hope I've

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qualified for a whisper gold
because I've not had a Whisper

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Gold in a few weeks now.
A.

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Few weeks, yeah, isn't that that
sounds like.

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Oh, you like you said that as if
that's such a tragedy.

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A few days.
I've not had a whisper gold in a

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few weeks.
Also sorry, can I just reference

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this again?
I'm sorry people that aren't

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watching.
Why are you you.

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I've never seen you drink.
I've just realised you're

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drinking a cup of tea.
You'd never drink tea.

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Why are you drinking a cup of
tea?

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What?
I've put a tie on and you think,

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oh I better drink a cup of tea
then.

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What you doing?
Listen, we've been told that

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it's not very professional,
certainly.

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And what did what did teachers
do other than wear ties and

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drink tea?
My whole my whole life as a

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teacher, always people would
like, they just assume you have

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hot drinks like that's how you
get by.

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What hot drink do you have?
Oh, I don't really hot chocolate

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I don't have.
And yeah, I just felt a bit

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rough this morning.
Felt it rundown and I thought I

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need something warm in me.
Tea like, doesn't taste good.

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But I, you know what?
It's warm.

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Yeah.
And the problem is I'm like, I'm

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15 years behind here.
I'm 32 years old getting to the

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point.
I'm like, oh, tea does get cold

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quick, doesn't it?
All them teacher means of like,

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haven't got a chance to drink my
tea.

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And I was always like, I get it.
This is cold tea.

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And it's like it's served its
course.

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Finally gets it.
You make no sense though,

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because because simultaneously
you're drinking hot tea because

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you've got to be warm.
You're in short shots.

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Sure you are.
They're short.

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I can see a lot of my thigh,
right?

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There we go.
Here we go.

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I'm gonna stand up.
No, no, I'm gonna stand up.

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Anyone watching?
Are these short shorts?

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Hey, then talk us for it.
Yeah.

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OK.
What makes these short shorts?

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Dylan, stand OK?
Oh, fine.

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They're not sure.
Right.

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Look, he stood up and they've
dropped down.

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They've drooped down to his
knees.

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But when he was sat there I
could see his thighs all the way

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up to right to the bit where it
like starts becoming your skin

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gets a bit lighter.
Don't pretend you.

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Didn't I can see it again you
just I don't know if you just

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see your skin get lighter, you
know the.

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Sun's never seen there.
There's a bit of your thigh

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where it's like.
Aiden's seen more of my leg than

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the actual sun.
Yeah, but could you be getting

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cold tea?
You wouldn't want to get cold,

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would you?
In your shorts and T-shirt in

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this cold.
Room.

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My throat needed to be warm, my
knees didn't.

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All right, shorts and hot tea,
right?

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Next question.
Last time you had that mug,

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there was Fanta in there.
Fanta.

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There is genuinely tea and I'm
starting to regret my choices.

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Anyway, next question, what's
the strangest thing you found in

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your teacher bag at the end of
the week?

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Bonus points if it's not yours.
Well, there's a bit of a There's

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a bit of a problem with this
question.

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All of you to assume I had a
bag.

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Yeah, I did have a bag for my
maybe my first.

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Year of teaching for that bag.
Huge bag.

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Like the lever folds thing.
Yeah, like folds up.

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And it just had honestly like
just rubbish in it.

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I remember there's just got to a
point after my first year of

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teaching, I was like, why have I
been taking this bag in every

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day?
Because it's got like random

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paper in it and notepad that I
don't use like and my diary.

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I can just leave my diary here.
Like night pedal, all the

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acronyms in the all the acronyms
learning them.

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And so basically I spent vast
majority of my career not

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actually bringing in a bag in
any way.

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I just bring in my lunch, Chuck
it in the fridge.

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I'm playing up right to the
school.

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How many people would be like,
where's your bag?

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So that one, yeah, that one was
what's what's in your bag?

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And they were like, Oh my keys,
not my keys.

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Yeah, it's in my pocket.
I've got this.

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I've got this important thing.
OK, Mine's on my desk.

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Yeah, my laptop stayed at
school.

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Yeah, I've.
Got all the policies that I need

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to read for the school court.
I don't read the policies.

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I don't do, I don't do that.
I don't do that.

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You've got this policy.
Decide that the same sheet of

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paper that you've had for every
year for the last six years,

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that's 84 pages long.
Yeah.

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Have you read all that policy?
That is so funny, I tell you.

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I tell you what though, I can
think of something for you

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that's you know doesn't answer
this question, but it makes me

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laugh because the amount of
times.

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What a theme in this question
and answer yeah, when someone

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asks a question and we answer a
completely different thing that

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we want to talk about, What's
the weirdest thing you found in

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your bag and.
It's something completely

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unrelated.
It's something that I feel like

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you can't.
You're going to agree because

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you go home with something.
It's not in your bag, but you,

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you go home with something all
the time.

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And I always think, what is
wrong with him?

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Why does he not remember this?
Dylan goes home with a pencil or

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a pen, sometimes 2 on his ear
slash ears.

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Honestly like 3 out of the five
days a week when we were full

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time.
It's it's it's every day.

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Why don't you?
Why is it on your ear all the

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time?
First thing, you never know when

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you're going to need a pen.
As a teacher, you never know

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when you're going to need a
little pen.

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Just oh, let me.
Just I can accept that.

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So that's my that's my kind of
nod towards live feedback in the

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moment, because I wish I could
write this down right now.

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I can because I could go to my
ear.

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Boom, pen.
Yeah, sometimes you don't want a

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pen, you want a pencil.
That's where the other ear

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comes.
So you got, we got a pen on one

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ear, pence on the other ear
issue came when we marked in

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green pen in our school,
specifically green pen.

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And if a lesson was covered, we
had to mark it in black pen.

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You remember it was just so you
could just see if the teacher

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was out or not.
And I, my job share what a test

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is.
I remember sending my job share

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a picture 1/2 time where I was
like, I'll just sort through

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some stuff.
And I'm, this is not

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exaggerating.
I had 23 green pens, 2323 green

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beds in my home and my car that
I put together my God, because

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every single day it came to the
end of the day when I wanted to

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do some marking.
I said I got a green pen.

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I have to go and get a green pen
for someone, put it in my ear,

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go home, leave it at home,
obviously, because I had my

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evening and then I go back the
next day.

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But green pen, I have to go and
find a green pen.

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I reckon, You know, I've not
worked in that school since July

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now.
I reckon I've still got at least

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15 green pens somewhere in this
house.

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Probably, yeah.
I probably walk around and just

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find some.
Yeah, I'll do it after this and

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I'll take them all back.
In fact, the other day I wrote,

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I wrote something on my calendar
and green pen and there's only

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one page green pens coming from,
yeah, the school.

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That's actually called theft, so
I don't know why you're

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laughing.
I don't think that's funny.

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I don't think that's funny.
Schools, the budgets are already

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low and you're sat here on a
podcast joking about how you

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stole all that pens.
No.

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No, listen again.
Disgusting.

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Everything I do is packed up by
my belief in that.

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Yeah, all right.
Written markings.

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Pointless.
And what and what colour you're

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marking doesn't matter.
Yeah, because I used to mark

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sometimes in a green pencil.
I find a pen.

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You couldn't find it.
I couldn't find a green because

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they were all.
Because they were all on your

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ears.
And if I couldn't find a green

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pencil, I just marking whatever
was there.

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That is another thing, by the
way, the amount of times you

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have said to me you got annoyed
because you get frustrated

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because you can't find your pen
and it's literally on your ear

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at the time.
Yes, annoying.

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Oh.
Have you seen my pen?

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Didn't look at your face.
I love how you invented.

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But you wore trousers, right?
But you invented pockets on your

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face.
No, no, no, no.

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You were like, no, no, no, I
can't.

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I can't.
I couldn't possibly have a pen

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in the pocket that's designed
for it.

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I need to put it on my face
pocket, which is my ear.

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And forget about it.
When my colleagues used to say

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he wore dresses, they're like
dresses never have pockets.

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I was like, I don't use my
pockets.

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Yeah, on my ear.
Depends on there is.

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Used kids in my class who'd roll
their sleeves up and put

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something behind their ear and
go around saying I missed the

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price because I used to always
roll my sleeves up at the top of

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my ear.
So there was one point where I I

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went to see how far I could go
with putting stuff by my ear in

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the lesson.
We probably should have been

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doing geography or something.
Yeah, but it's boring.

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Let's do something else.
So I got the pen out and I put a

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glue stick by my ear.
Also a big pretty stick.

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Stayed.
Stayed.

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And they were like, what?
End up trying to put books on

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there and stuff didn't work.
And then it finished with me

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taking a make and I picked up my
teacher chair and pretended to

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put my ear.
Nice.

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Cute.
They were orcust laughter.

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Didn't get any work done.
Went time happy jobs.

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Are good all back in at break
time tomorrow.

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Finish your work.
You've been ridiculous.

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You've not worked hard enough
today guys.

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Turn it all back on them.
Toxic So what is the weirdest

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fit you've found in your future?
Well, again, I don't have teach

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about I'll tell you what.
Do you remember the knife?

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This is to do with a bag.
Do you remember the knife

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incident?
It was a few years ago.

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It sounds really dramatic, me
saying the knife incident.

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Well, I think it's.
Just kind of trying to get any.

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Less dramatic.
Yeah, it is.

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But I mean, nothing crazy
happened.

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But I taught a kid this must be
like 5-6 years ago now and they

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came in and in their school bag
it turns out they had a knife.

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That alone you you make sure you
think, Oh my God, this is awful.

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This is like police involved.
What kind of knife?

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Like not a butter knife.
No, like a proper, like a proper

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kitchen knife as in like, you
know, you might be slicing a

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steak with or something like
that.

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I don't know why I thought of a
steak, kind of a bit of meat or

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something.
And it turns out though, like

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Long story short, this child
bought in a knife because.

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Their.
Mum had pissed them off so much

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that they would they and they
read this clip was really clever

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but they wanted to get their mum
in trouble.

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I wanted to get.
They knew having a knife in

456
00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:23,119
their bag would would be like a
phone home and this is awful.

457
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,440
That's the reason they did it.
I'll tell you what, horrendous.

458
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,920
I know.
Like that's all.

459
00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,440
But like, I know looking back as
nothing happened and it was

460
00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,800
fine, et cetera, Yeah, it is
quite a funny story.

461
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,600
But like, holy moly, it's a one
of a bare phrase.

462
00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,680
Like I did just bring a knife.
Yeah, I know.

463
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,200
Yeah, we took, I mean, it
doesn't matter.

464
00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,040
I don't want to play down how
seriously we took.

465
00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,040
We took it unbelievably serious
because we took it at the time

466
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,720
as when a child said someone's
got a knife in their bag of we

467
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,960
immediately thought, OK, well,
knives, people take knives

468
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,400
places to do really bad things
with them.

469
00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,800
So we assumed that was going to
be the the motive.

470
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,280
And yeah, yeah, you know the
intent.

471
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,360
Of it almost doesn't matter.
The fact is there was a knife in

472
00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,200
the school.
Even if the knife was bad,

473
00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,640
There's a kitchen knife in the
school.

474
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,360
Yeah.
Yeah.

475
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,560
In the same way you know you're
doing cooking or something in

476
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,080
the afternoon, you just leave a
knife on the side no matter what

477
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,480
the intention was.
It's just stuff that's wild.

478
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,400
I don't really remember that
being the reason.

479
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,880
Remember it vaguely happening
and it by now.

480
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,760
So this, this kid, this kid had
done something like that before.

481
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,800
Like they were unbelievably
clever and they just knew they

482
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,160
would just trump.
Admit.

483
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,600
Yeah, literally.
But before.

484
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,520
They'd done it before, but not
with a knife.

485
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,800
They'd done it with the TV
remote, so the same.

486
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,720
Thing that got.
It was really funny though

487
00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,120
because she basically said yeah,
Mum's been, well, annoyed

488
00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:34,680
because she really wants to
watch a programme this morning

489
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,080
and I've set the TV remote so
she can't turn it on.

490
00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:40,120
Now that is more harmless and
funny.

491
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,400
That's so funny.
And obviously you can't.

492
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,280
You've got to take it serious at
the time, but.

493
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,520
You're taking your car keys or
something?

494
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:47,840
Cracked me up.
Yeah.

495
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,760
Literally just to annoy my
money, yeah.

496
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,600
I'm going to start taking stuff
for yours just to.

497
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,720
You do already.
You already do.

498
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,200
Oh my God.
Dylan comes around.

499
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,960
I'm sorry.
I'm just vent now about Dylan.

500
00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,600
I've we've got, we've got a
little sign on, you know, on our

501
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,840
wall, right?
OK, context.

502
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,560
This.
The reason I do it is to teach

503
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,360
you a lesson.
Don't have any of this live

504
00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:09,480
laughs love stuff nonsense.
You're you're not that kind of

505
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,320
guy.
Love, it says.

506
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,960
Let's stay home brilliantly.
I love how you got it in COVID

507
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,240
time as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,840
Let's stay home.
Hardly go choice mate.

509
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,160
We had to.
Is there anything you could buy

510
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,880
actually doing really well
flying off the shore?

511
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,520
It was actually government
propaganda you got for free.

512
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,720
Yeah.
From Boris Johnson.

513
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,240
But anyway, it's three separate
pieces for each word.

514
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,520
And every time Dylan comes
around, at some point after he's

515
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080
gone, I realise that one of the
three pieces is just not on the

516
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,560
wall anymore and he's hidden it
somewhere.

517
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,480
He's taking it.
Yeah.

518
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,320
Bloody noise.
It's more funny when I take it

519
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,800
because you look for it and.
It's funny the first just 4 for

520
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,240
times.
Because when I do something, I

521
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,840
have to keep doing it.
Yeah, after the 20th time, while

522
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,920
she's like making marrow noises
on the way out, I'm like, Dylan,

523
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,720
let's home Dylan.
Stay home.

524
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,360
Let's Yeah, you've done every
combination.

525
00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,280
Every combination.
You're a mudge of that meme of

526
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,200
Richard Attenborough in Jurassic
Park when he goes Welcome to

527
00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,360
Jurassic Park, welcome to Park.
That is one of the all time best

528
00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:06,240
memes I've.
Made to home, let's home.

529
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,240
Brilliant.
So yeah, Richard Amber is the

530
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,160
weirdest thing I found on my
bag.

531
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,240
Yeah, the same.
Next question, have you ever had

532
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,320
to involve your union in your
career?

533
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,520
I've been a member of the NEU
since I was training and never

534
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,520
needed them in my 8 years in the
trust.

535
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,720
My MAT is very anti union but
I'm having an issue for the

536
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,360
first time in my career so I
have reached out.

537
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,280
They are offering to contact my
head and CEO for me but I'm

538
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,080
scared to actually involve them
in case it makes my workplace a

539
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,480
harder place to be because of
it.

540
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,920
Any advice?
Thank you for writing that in

541
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,000
because that I think is
something a lot of people will

542
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,760
resonate with.
And I'm not going to say that

543
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,120
it's not hard for.
So firstly, I've, I've never

544
00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,280
had, I don't, I've never had to
use the union in my, in my

545
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,000
career, but I know people that
have and obviously we've spoken

546
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,000
to lots of people that have as
well.

547
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,680
I completely understand.
And I, I, it's so easy.

548
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,920
Sometimes me and Dylan will sit
here.

549
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,760
But yeah, just do this black and
white thing.

550
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,880
They've done something wrong.
Get your union involved.

551
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,520
But it is more complex than that
because you do know that when

552
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600
you get union involved,
obviously they're going to take

553
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,560
it.
They're going to take it some

554
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,240
way, aren't they?
Particularly if the map is

555
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,960
already very anti union, which
already screamed alarm bells at

556
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,880
me.
I'm not going to, I'm not going

557
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,360
to lie to you.
Like that would almost make it

558
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:18,720
easier.
I think in my head because I'd

559
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,920
be like, OK, I can justify this
is this is a toxic place to

560
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,480
work.
If they're already anti union.

561
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,040
Like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
bowing down to this.

562
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,560
This is rubbish.
I'll I'll show them, I'll teach

563
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,600
them, I'll get the union
involved.

564
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,000
I get it.
I think you should do it though.

565
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,960
Like my honest advice there is
don't be like you're if if you

566
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:37,200
back out because you're like, I
don't want them to react weirdly

567
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,320
to me.
I'm like, you're basically just

568
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,240
falling in line to what they're
like, they're anti union for a

569
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,200
reason.
Yeah, like you kind of almost

570
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,240
need to absolutely not do that.
You need to be like, no, I'm

571
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,440
getting unions.
I don't care if you're anti

572
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,960
union because they're nothing to
do with you.

573
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,040
They're to do with me.
You're anti union because you

574
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,760
want to control me.
I'm saying no thanks.

575
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:53,200
That's why I'm getting them
involved.

576
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,840
So I would do it.
You know, maybe you just need to

577
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,000
have a tricky conversation with
the CEO and be like, look, I had

578
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,480
to get my union involved for
this reason.

579
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,960
You're going to, they're going
to be in contact with you

580
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,880
because they know what they're
talking about.

581
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,760
But you know, I appreciate you
might not, might not like this

582
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,400
interaction, but I'm also not
liking the insert, whatever it

583
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,600
is that you've had to get your
union involved over in the 1st

584
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,400
place.
And just you've got to have

585
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,440
that.
You've got to be brave for a bit

586
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,880
and you can just have that
really awkward, tricky

587
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,600
conversation.
Yeah, it's easy.

588
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,760
Like when you talk about getting
your union involved, I think a

589
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,720
lot of the time people think of,
oh, it's now separate to me.

590
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,360
The union are involved and we'll
sort this out for me.

591
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,440
There's no way of doing
something like this anonymously.

592
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,960
Yeah.
If you've got to the point where

593
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,880
you think the union have to be
involved, I'm afraid that also

594
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,920
comes with the point of you have
to be letting your CEO and your

595
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,400
Matt understand that you have a
problem.

596
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,440
Yeah.
Like it can't just take

597
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,840
everything off your hands in
that respect.

598
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,080
So it's and it's not easy.
Absolutely not.

599
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,320
And that's why I think getting
the union involved is a huge

600
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,760
step because to me what it means
is I've reached the point where

601
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,080
I need to talk out about this.
I'm going to put my neck on the

602
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,800
line anyway because it's so bad
whilst doing that.

603
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,480
I might as well have the support
of my union.

604
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,440
I don't think using a union can
be seen as something as a get

605
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,160
out of gaol card in terms of I
get to maintain my work life,

606
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,360
you know, relationship, my work
relationship with my, with my

607
00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,560
uppers.
You don't because by definition

608
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,960
you're going to be challenging
them.

609
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,880
So I just, yeah, I think I
completely get why someone would

610
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,200
be wary and scared to involve
them because it probably will

611
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,040
make your workplace a hard place
to be in.

612
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,800
Like that's just awkward.
That's the nature of it.

613
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,200
And you know, when when
leadership are actively anti

614
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,040
union, My argument would be that
already making it an awkward

615
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,640
place for you to be because by
definition, they're almost

616
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,880
starting you off on the back
foot and saying you're wrong

617
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,120
immediately for being part of a
union.

618
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,320
You weren't even part of a union
for a long time.

619
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,560
I seem to no a couple a couple
of years at start my career.

620
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,200
It was what made you join.
It was, you know what, being

621
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,680
completely honest, I was just
naive and I got.

622
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,880
Schooled on Facebook genuinely
by someone because I can't

623
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,200
remember the exact context, but
there was a post on maybe like a

624
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,400
teacher group.
Yeah.

625
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,640
And, and I was just naively
saying now I'm not joining

626
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,400
Union, it's way too expensive.
Even when you were training and

627
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,080
I was free because it's free for
the first year, isn't?

628
00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,600
It I think I, I, no, I was, I
was in one when it was like a 1

629
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,800
LB and then you didn't renew and
then I just didn't renew because

630
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,560
it was like 200 and something.
I'm not doing that.

631
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,320
I don't need a union.
I'll be fine sort of thing.

632
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,640
And yeah, a couple of years in
someone, someone else was like,

633
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040
because I was taking it from a
very selfish perspective.

634
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,040
I was like, no, I work in a
school.

635
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,120
It's all right.
It's all going to be good.

636
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,040
Nothing's going to happen.
If it does happen, shame, it's

637
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,200
my fault, you know, OK, fine,
slap on the wrist.

638
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,760
That's me.
And someone else was like, yeah,

639
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,160
but unions is not just about
you.

640
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,680
There's like unions are fighting
fights behind the scenes all the

641
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800
time.
So you funding a union and and

642
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,000
you're, you're funding a voice
for change.

643
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,520
You know what I mean?
And they sort of opened my eyes

644
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,080
to the kind of wider perspective
of why being in a union and

645
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,160
teaching is, is a useful thing
to do, even if you don't

646
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,080
necessarily think that you're
going to need that union.

647
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,280
And and no one really thinks
they're gonna need it.

648
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,560
No.
But no one sat there going,

649
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,920
well, I'll need this next year
because I'm.

650
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,600
I know I'm going to be treated
awfully.

651
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,360
So you don't know.
Yeah.

652
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,600
Exactly right.
So I was a little bit naive, but

653
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,360
I honestly, someone said that to
me.

654
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,000
I was like, that's flawless
logic.

655
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,160
I can't even argue with this.
And I signed up to union, signed

656
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,040
up to union there and then.
The only thing you might argue

657
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000
against, I've seen a lot of
people say this being perfectly

658
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,840
honest now and transparent.
I've been a part of a union for

659
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,000
my whole time as being a
teacher.

660
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,440
But there are people out there
who think the unions are

661
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,600
fighting the wrong fights.
That's doing the wrong things.

662
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,440
And, and you may, you may
genuinely well think like, OK,

663
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,560
well, this union, do you know
what?

664
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,520
I don't think my money's being
put to good use.

665
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,280
I'm not going to be part of this
union.

666
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,440
You might find other ways to
have legal protection, etcetera.

667
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:12,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

668
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,880
So when people say that, I'm
just like, you know what?

669
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,520
Yeah.
Crack.

670
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600
On equally valid, genuinely,
genuinely valid, Yeah.

671
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,760
But if you if you think the
unions like saying the things

672
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080
you think should be said, then
yeah, it's kind of a no brainer

673
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,440
really to join them.
Definitely.

674
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,480
So, yeah, I would always say to
someone at least reach out and

675
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,160
have a go and talk to them about
what they're doing.

676
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,880
I think it can be very useful.
But back to this person, good

677
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,600
luck.
I think it's a tricky situation.

678
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,560
It's no doubt going to make you
feel stressed and worried.

679
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,040
But don't let them win.
Don't let them win.

680
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,560
Yeah, genuine.
There's another side to this,

681
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,440
you know, a couple of give it a
couple of years.

682
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,240
Just think about where you'll be
in a few years once this

683
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080
challenge and the awkwardness is
over and whatever and worst case

684
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,400
scenario, start looking around
now.

685
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,120
If the if the place is toxic and
horrible to work in and this all

686
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,680
goes horrendously and they're
not they don't take it well at

687
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,160
all, then maybe it's just not
the place to be.

688
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,880
Definitely.
Awesome, right?

689
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,840
Next one.
I played tug of war with a class

690
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,240
of reception children last year.
I'm 33 years old and male.

691
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,120
I'd guess I'm stronger than the
average man my age.

692
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,680
Stronger than you.
Yeah, I'm 33 year old male so.

693
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,440
You're not the.
Average way above, way above the

694
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,240
average.
Strength.

695
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,880
How many reception age children
would you predict you can beat

696
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,040
at a tug of war at once?
That's such a good question, do

697
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,800
you think?
Reception.

698
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,040
Oh, I feel like.
What you'd be swinging around

699
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,720
like a hammer this winter?
Yeah, we're.

700
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,880
Stretchable and regardless if it
was a tug of war.

701
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,480
What?
There's a tug of war going on,

702
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,800
eating Inception around.
They love it.

703
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,680
They bloody love it, they want
to sit down.

704
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,760
Reception very young.
And they're so small, that

705
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:38,920
rubbish.
They can't even hold the rope.

706
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,600
I could take on all 25.
No way. 25.

707
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,200
Yeah.
No way.

708
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,080
Well, this person here has given
a number.

709
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,600
OK, so you think 25?
Yeah, tiny.

710
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,000
OK, this person.
Hang on, what do you think?

711
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,360
I know what this guy said, but
before, before I read it, I

712
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,080
thought to myself, I thought to
myself, reception, children,

713
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,160
average strength.
I fought like 1516 because like,

714
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960
even if you just add up all of
their weights, like, and they're

715
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240
not even pulling, I reckon it
adds up quite quickly.

716
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,160
I suppose.
So like even if they were just

717
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920
like asleep, attached to the
right dead weight holder trying

718
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,560
to drag a whole class.
I think you struggled to drag

719
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,920
the whole class, genuinely.
Yeah.

720
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,360
Even if it was just like in a
big, you know, a big sack.

721
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,720
All right, I'm going down from
20.

722
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,480
I'm going to 24.
OK, well, I fought at 15.

723
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,800
So this guy has done the
research.

724
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Then he got a strong bloke, he
got up to 11.

725
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,360
Oh wow, that's lower than I.
Thought yeah, 11.

726
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,680
OK, my ego is too big.
Clearly, there's a way to find

727
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,440
out the real answer.
Guys, if you're.

728
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,880
If you work at a local school, I
can arrange a tug of war with

729
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,840
your reception class.
Get in touch with us because

730
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,760
we'll be.
There can you be 11?

731
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,960
We have a leaderboard, we should
have a.

732
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Leaderboard you're like on Top
Gear when I start on a

733
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,160
reasonably priced car.
So we'll start at the stick.

734
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,640
They got this guy's Tig.
Now you got 11.

735
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,400
You're that's the one to be.
That's the one to be.

736
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,880
Definitely.
And you should get like every

737
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760
guest we get on the podcast.
We just have like a, we get the

738
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320
reception class in, we play
Tiger Wall.

739
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,120
Reception class on tap in the
local school.

740
00:27:58,120 --> 00:27:59,200
They're ready.
They're always ready.

741
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,320
They love it. 11 does seem low
though.

742
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,160
Like to be fair here, before
trying he said he assumed he

743
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,600
could be all of them.
You just have all day.

744
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280
I can see why you'd assume that,
but you got up to 11.

745
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,280
I think you're an analogy of
like just literally the body

746
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,880
mass, right?
It's probably the best way to

747
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,240
think.
Yeah, Yeah, because 11

748
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,400
realistically 11 kids, they're
not pulling heavy than you.

749
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,000
As well as well like the pulling
is not adding much more to it

750
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,560
than them, just like really I
don't think.

751
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Yeah, yeah.
So. 11, Interesting.

752
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,720
It's also interesting to know
that 12 means they'll they'll

753
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,400
beat you like 12 months.
You're in a class of more than

754
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,800
12 reception kids.
They're stronger than you.

755
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,360
Yeah.
So they all turned at the same

756
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:35,200
time if they became sentient and
one BLOB became sentient.

757
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,880
You said to it I.
Don't know, but definitely

758
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,560
before recession I'm me.
Hello me, we can all work

759
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,040
together to defeat this guy.
Funny you said that so

760
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,240
genuinely.
I love it and I mean it.

761
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Dear.
Next one, This is from Connor.

762
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080
As you both know, becoming a
teacher takes a lot of

763
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,880
dedication and training at the
start.

764
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600
I'm currently deciding whether
to leave my better paying, more

765
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,880
relaxed job to pursue a
secondary Computing science PGC,

766
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,240
as I've always loved the idea of
teaching and really enjoyed my

767
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440
work experience in schools.
I'm curious what made you both

768
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,280
decide yeah I'm going to become
a teacher When you first started

769
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,720
out.
I've made countless pros and

770
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,000
cons lists, researched the
training routes, and done some

771
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,360
volunteering, but I'm still torn
between a comfortable yet

772
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720
unfulfilling job and a more
demanding but meaningful career

773
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,240
in teaching.
For context, I'm 21, would be

774
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,400
looking to apply for a September
27th start.

775
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,720
That's a great question.
Yeah, As I say, I've done some

776
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,000
good questions today.
I think I'll start with the You

777
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,440
asked us what made you want kind
of what was the moment where we

778
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,320
were like, Yeah, I want to do
this for me.

779
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,840
I volunteered in school as well.
I was also around 2122 and it

780
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,640
was my local primary school that
I went to as a kid.

781
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280
And I just volunteered because I
was thinking, I wonder if I

782
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,040
would like this.
And even at school, I remember

783
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,080
one of my teachers had said to
me, oh, you probably enjoy

784
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,680
teaching.
And when, when an adult says

785
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,560
that to you, I come to, I was
like, oh, OK, maybe I'll maybe

786
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,800
I'll think about that one day.
Were you in university now or

787
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,920
were you?
Well, at that point I'd just

788
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,880
finished university, so I was
back home.

789
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,040
I didn't really, you know, I was
like, I don't really know what I

790
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,560
want to do.
I don't want to use the degree I

791
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,120
just got obviously for, you
know, the classic.

792
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Classic.
Wait a few years, Startup class

793
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,080
for the.
Stuff in pocket, yeah.

794
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,720
You know, use the film degree
for that.

795
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Yeah.
And yeah.

796
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,600
Anyway, I volunteered in the
school and I just remember after

797
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,360
like a couple of days, once I
started to get to know the Class

798
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,840
A little bit, the kids became
familiar with me.

799
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,920
And the teacher I worked with
was really lovely as well.

800
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,400
And and she was someone I knew
when I was a kid, so and her and

801
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,760
her child was actually in my
class.

802
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,480
So we had a nice bond straight
away.

803
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,960
And I just remember sat with one
particular child and he was

804
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
really grateful for me just
helping him with this really

805
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,800
simple thing and was really nice
and then started talking to me

806
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,360
about his life.
What?

807
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,360
With this really, really simple,
easy thing, I can't believe how

808
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,960
simple and easy it was.
And he's really grateful.

809
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Yeah, I was like, sip kid, this
is easy.

810
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,840
This lark I should become.
A I called him a fool the way

811
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,000
you said.
This really simple thing is so

812
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,400
great, yeah, that's why I knew.
Yeah, I can explain simple

813
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,040
things, yeah.
And I thought if any more

814
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,080
complex than this and I'm out of
the game but it looks like I

815
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,400
don't have to.
But anyway.

816
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,400
That's for sure.
Genuinely, that's really nice.

817
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,280
And in that moment, I was like,
yeah, I think I really like

818
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,280
this.
It was very wholesome.

819
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,920
Yeah.
And.

820
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,560
And it's interesting that.
Yeah.

821
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,160
And like the fact that he's
referenced his unfulfilling but

822
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,560
better paid job is such a common
thing, isn't it?

823
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Because all the way for our
careers, I know we spoke about

824
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,840
it, we were like, would would,
would we have gone back to a job

825
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,160
that was less fulfilling for
slightly more money?

826
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,000
And we were always like, I don't
know, I don't think so.

827
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240
Because the fulfilment was
great.

828
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Like it's like, why wouldn't you
want that?

829
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,680
So it's a tough one.
I I think, I mean, my opinion on

830
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,040
this person is they should do
it.

831
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,760
Yeah, they should just do it.
Just give it a go.

832
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,200
I think the as well, the thing
that comes to me is, you know,

833
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,840
money isn't everything.
Money's really important and I,

834
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
I really want to push back.
Anyone says just follow your

835
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,440
dreams always and don't It's
fine.

836
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,800
It all work out for a lot of
people.

837
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,760
It won't.
You have to take the more

838
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,880
pragmatic approach.
Maybe for a lot of people in the

839
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,360
situation, he should stay in
that job for a few more years,

840
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,360
build up some money, save a bit
and then maybe he's got some

841
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,640
more flexibility later.
Maybe.

842
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,880
But it doesn't change the fact
that fulfilment and enjoyment

843
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,120
are huge factors in what you
should do to choose your job.

844
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,040
And I personally think that the
salary of a teacher, it's not

845
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,920
like have a salary that's
terrible, but be a teacher, it's

846
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,800
have a salary that's average.
Yeah, it's alright.

847
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,120
Maybe above average actually.
And, and after a few years of

848
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,600
doing it, you get paid a decent
amount compared to the average

849
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,480
person.
It's a good amount of money, you

850
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,440
deserve it, don't get me wrong,
but it's not like saying you're

851
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440
on ��15 an hour, it's just not
right.

852
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,000
So I do think that there is a
point where you say, do you know

853
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,120
what?
I can sustain myself on a

854
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,440
teacher's wage.
It's incredibly fulfilling.

855
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,160
I personally enjoy that.
Like you had that moment where

856
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,800
you thought I'm going to be a
teacher.

857
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,160
Very similar for me was in a
primary school, The vibe was

858
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,120
just good.
Anyone who's been in a nice,

859
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,120
good primary school knows that
it's a nice place to be because

860
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,280
the kids are like sponges.
They want to learn, the teachers

861
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,480
are passionate, everyone's
helping each other and you can

862
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,000
make a difference.
And that is so powerful.

863
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,680
And that is the best part of
teaching by an absolute mile.

864
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,360
And I really miss that.
Having left teaching, that is

865
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440
honestly something I can say
that I really miss is that

866
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,920
interaction with other people,
particularly the children,

867
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,680
particularly helping them get
better at something.

868
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400
I really miss seeing that every
single day and watching them

869
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,680
grow.
It's the best part of the job

870
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200
ever.
It doesn't mean that it comes to

871
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,880
a point where you might think
you should go down a different

872
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,240
route other than teaching.
But I would say to this person,

873
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,320
I'd say to you, Connor, if you
really are clearly passionate

874
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,960
about going into this computer
science, if you really want to

875
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,440
help other people, if you find
it's going to be really

876
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,560
fulfilling for you and you've
done your experience in school,

877
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,960
that's I think enough for me to
say to you, go ahead and do it

878
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,560
because he's done the
experience.

879
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,240
He's been in the school and
yeah, I would say it's not just

880
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,960
down to money.
If it was just down to money,

881
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,480
we'd all, we'd all live
different lives.

882
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,320
I remember when I left
university, I had a year between

883
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,800
that and do my PGC and I tried
different things.

884
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,160
I, I tried head hunting in
London.

885
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,200
I think I mentioned this to you
before, had a week's trial and

886
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,720
after two days I just, I can't
do this.

887
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,880
I could have carried on calling
up people and saying I've got AC

888
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,200
sharp development job for you.
It's 200 grand for a free month

889
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,680
contract.
I had no idea what was talking

890
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,960
about, but it was just about
securing people in jobs. 0

891
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,720
fulfilment, so boring in a
little room with six people

892
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,240
great at their jobs.
Crack on.

893
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,160
There was an ex teacher in the
office I remember and he was

894
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,800
like, I've comments because it's
just I live in London, I need

895
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,520
more money.
Great.

896
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,080
Everyone's in a different
position, they're all in

897
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,520
different positions.
For me, I was living at home.

898
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,400
I went into a school just to see
if I liked it, primary and

899
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
secondary and I was like I love
primary school, I can teach

900
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,280
maths, I'm going to be
fulfilled.

901
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,040
I would do it again in a
heartbeat.

902
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,239
In a heartbeat.
So Connor, I'd say to you from

903
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,560
this very small interaction,
sounds like you should give it a

904
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,199
go.
Yeah, sounds like fulfilment is

905
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,520
is important to you.
So that's enough for me.

906
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,440
Do do it then, because it is
fulfilling job and I I worry

907
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,400
that people be like hypocrites.
You're out of the game.

908
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,880
Yeah, we're the other end of it
now, but I don't regret any of

909
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,639
it.
But I don't.

910
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,120
I wouldn't.
Change it for. 10 years, 10

911
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,719
years and a day.
It was never tracked like other

912
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,040
than the marking bit at the end,
but like generally in the day.

913
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,360
Like the days went quick because
I was enjoying myself.

914
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,560
There's a reason we did it for
10 years.

915
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,520
A lot of teachers quit after
12345 years.

916
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
There's a reason we stayed in it
because I loved it.

917
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I really, really loved it and

918
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,640
just got to the point where I
didn't want to continue at the

919
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,200
progression ladder.
Our life's changed.

920
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Our life's changed a lot.
And like very much living by

921
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,000
what you just said, we're
following our passions.

922
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,360
We're doing this more, we're
doing other things.

923
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,560
We're but we're still in
education.

924
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,760
We're just following things we
want to do.

925
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,760
I love how deep that
conversation was, and you've

926
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
been wearing that tie this whole
and it's become normal.

927
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,280
We're going to have reels go out
that have just you saying

928
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440
something really deep about how
important teaching is.

929
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,680
You're just wearing that tie.
It's so funny, all that to one

930
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,280
of my best mates weddings.
Did you have tie?

931
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,720
Yeah.
Just of a context, I found this

932
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:27,560
tie on the floor.
It's.

933
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Going to be listening to this.
Yeah.

934
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,040
At least they realised.
Yeah, yeah.

935
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,200
He said need financial planning.
This is wedding.

936
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's me going.

937
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,160
I actually want it on my my
friend's wedding.

938
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,720
That's really, really, really
nice.

939
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,840
Yeah.
Found it on the floor.

940
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Smells like I need financial
planning.

941
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,480
Reminds me of him.
That's why I'm wearing.

942
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,080
That's why I feel so good
wearing this.

943
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,640
Yeah, I think that's what it is.
Yeah, clearly.

944
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,760
Yeah, fantastic.
Yeah, but, you know, tidy up

945
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,840
your roommate because it's why
are there too ties on the floor?

946
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,240
Because I was sorting stuff out
and I don't wear ties.

947
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,320
Yeah.
So you thought I put them here

948
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,000
on the floor next to where we
record stuff.

949
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,720
That's about right in it.
Right.

950
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:05,520
Last question, did you or would
you ever like to share a class?

951
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,520
Well, I can tell you now we
didn't.

952
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,680
Would you have actually liked
to?

953
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,640
Me and you?
Yeah.

954
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,400
We definitely shared.
No, no.

955
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,280
Me and you.
Me and you.

956
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,680
Me.
Yeah.

957
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,220
Because, OK, very quickly.
We both shared classes part

958
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:16,480
time.
Best thing ever.

959
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,160
You have to have the right
partner with other people.

960
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,160
It's fantastic.
But would you and I actually do

961
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,960
well sharing class?
I think in our first couple of

962
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,880
years, yes, yeah, I genuinely
think that because we because we

963
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640
tried, yeah.
We tried really hard.

964
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,720
And we shared planning and we
loved that process together.

965
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,120
I think I'd say the second, like
the last two thirds maybe of our

966
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,080
career, particularly we worked
in the same school again because

967
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,720
we split off briefly and came
back.

968
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:41,680
Well, you came back.
I said yeah, you came right

969
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,640
back.
I came right back to you.

970
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,840
I.
LED my own party followed.

971
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,760
Yeah, yeah, basically.
Yeah.

972
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,280
That's exactly what works.
I think it would have been a

973
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,720
disaster.
Do you think disaster?

974
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,240
Yeah.
Do you actually think disaster?

975
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,760
Genuinely, do you think
disaster?

976
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,800
No, no, not because I do.
OK, OK, that's hilarious.

977
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,720
None of me a disaster, but I
don't think it would have been

978
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,760
the right move.
No, I think, I think like as

979
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,400
time went on, I streamlined and
did stuff I felt like I was

980
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,920
better at and just ignored other
stuff.

981
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,640
Yeah.
And luckily for me and I think

982
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,520
for you, like we complimented
our job shares in terms of I

983
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,240
know your job share like to do
displays.

984
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,120
Yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah.

985
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,000
So your room looked quite nice
most of the time and it was

986
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,400
nothing to do with you and if
you and I shared.

987
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,560
A room they wouldn't get done.
It would not get done.

988
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560
That's what I mean, like, so I
don't necessarily think that's a

989
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,600
bad thing.
Just put down the record.

990
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,800
I'm not saying you need to, but.
And I think it would, it would,

991
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,640
it would crush your ego when you
realise the kids like me more.

992
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,480
And I don't think I could handle
the guilt.

993
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,240
I don't think I could live with
the guilt of knowing that I've

994
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,920
ruined your career.
Would you just skip that?

995
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,360
That would would you like?
Would you like the fact you

996
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,080
wouldn't ever see me genuine?
I mean, that was basically true

997
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,480
anyway, wasn't?
It I know I think you see what

998
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,640
people don't understand yeah,
when you work in different year

999
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,240
groups in the like 3 or 4
mentary school, yeah, you might

1000
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,920
as well be your own separate
like.

1001
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,600
I genuinely never saw you at
school.

1002
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,040
It's hilarious how we, we, we've
me and Dylan are really good at

1003
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,080
compartmentalising our lives.
We, we really are like at at

1004
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,080
school.
We're both like, we're here to

1005
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:58,880
do our school job.
Yeah.

1006
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,880
And that was it.
Yeah.

1007
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:01,960
And if we, if we were talking,
it was almost definitely about

1008
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
something else outside and we'd
do it outside of the school day.

1009
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,360
Yeah.
So I don't know.

1010
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,320
I don't think I'd just be OK.
It made no difference.

1011
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,760
But even think about this too
much sharing class, we could go

1012
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,800
deep with this because actually
we've had a choosing company for

1013
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,240
the last seven years.
Oh yeah.

1014
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,440
And there were parts of that,
including literally last year

1015
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,280
where we shared a group like me,
me and Dylan tutored a group

1016
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,360
between us because we couldn't
commit to the full days.

1017
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,040
So we were like, OK, let's just
take half each one we do, you

1018
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,160
know, two days a week.
So we, I did one, Dylan did 1.

1019
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,640
So technically we shared in that
respect, you know what I mean?

1020
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,760
And it wasn't a problem.
Not really.

1021
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,400
Comparable, but yeah.
Sure, I know, but we have.

1022
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,200
We've shared things in the past
where it's like it's not

1023
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,360
actually been a problem, but an
entire class.

1024
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,840
I don't know.
Yeah, I think they.

1025
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,960
'D be fine they'd I'll tell you
what, they'd make good progress.

1026
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,560
I'd like to think so.
They would.

1027
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,520
I'd like to think so.
They would, we'd, we wouldn't

1028
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,280
have someone having our back.
Yeah, my job share.

1029
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,920
Can I just say Amy was the best
possible job share?

1030
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Like I could have asked for
genuinely like, because we were

1031
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,400
on the same wavelength of a lot
of stuff and she knew I was

1032
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,760
like, and I knew what she was
like genuinely.

1033
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,920
And yeah, there was a lot of
times where we could just mess

1034
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520
each other outside of school.
It wouldn't be a bother,

1035
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,200
wouldn't be like awkward or
anything like that.

1036
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,160
But we didn't ever do it more
than we had to.

1037
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:12,920
Yeah.
Like there were times genuinely

1038
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,280
where it was like, I've really
honestly not got anything to say

1039
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,400
to you right now and that's OK.
And crack on.

1040
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,400
And then maybe she'll send me a
like, a debrief end of the week

1041
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,640
or I'll talk to about planning
and stuff.

1042
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,640
But yeah, finding the right job
share is vital for it to work.

1043
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,440
We were so lucky, we really were
because I can say the exact same

1044
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,680
for Julie, my job share, like we
just got on so well.

1045
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,960
It was so easy and seamless.
And I know from speaking to

1046
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,720
other people, friends of ours,
that doesn't always work job

1047
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,480
shares.
Like sometimes you really clash

1048
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,840
and it doesn't work at all.
So yeah, we were definitely

1049
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,440
super lucky.
Have we ever shared though?

1050
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,040
No, we've never job shared.
Not sure we would.

1051
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,040
No, no.
That's just because I don't like

1052
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,000
you.
No, that's fair enough.

1053
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,360
Yeah, Yeah.
I wouldn't share anything with

1054
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,520
you.
Don't share a podcast.

1055
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:51,960
That's for.
Sure.

1056
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
I wouldn't even share your tie,
you know.

1057
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,280
He's not mys any financial
planning.

1058
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,160
Yeah, exactly.
He gifted that to me and I

1059
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,280
really look after it.
Yeah, clearly he wasn't.

1060
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,080
Yeah, dirty on your floor.
Right, that is enough for this

1061
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,560
week, guys.
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1062
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,200
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1063
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,640
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1064
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,840
Over to you, Hayden, for a final
word.

1065
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,920
Always wear a tie.