Ep 147: Listener Questions: Supporting Neurodivergent Teachers, Short Attention Spans & Teacher Superpowers!

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Hello everyone and welcome back
to another episode of Teat Steep

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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My name's Hayden.
And Hayden, why have you chosen

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that top?
What do you?

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Mean, I just wonder why you
chosen that top.

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This is a visual podcast.
It's on YouTube, so Spotify and

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stuff.
Exactly why I wondered why you'd

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go for a top where it looks like
you're naked.

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What are you?
Talking about it's green exactly

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blends in with your skin.
Green skin.

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What are you talking?
If you are watching this

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podcast, please confirm that
Dylan's being an idiot.

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It's quite close, it's just
quite close to your natural,

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natural skin colour.
Dylan, it's literally a green

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top.
OK, so it's it's like murky

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water top right.
And so it's like it's like

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neutral.
It's a bit towards the green and

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in your complexion is like
normal, but a bit towards the

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green.
So they're just kind of meeting

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in the middle, right?
Just like a little welcome.

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To the podcast, everyone.
This is Dylan, who was just a

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minute ago just having a
meltdown that he can't start the

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podcast in any different way,
and then gave up trying to do a

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different one and then went back
to normal.

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I really don't we do a supercut
of hello everyone, welcome back

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to so the teacher.
I actually wake up saying that

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sometimes just like growing in
my head.

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Anyway, this is the question and
answer episode first question.

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What are you wearing?
The second question, and all

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subsequent questions will be
from.

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Where?
Oh, I knew you could do that

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from our WhatsApp community,
which you should and can't join.

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We're nearly, we're heading
towards 200 of you lovely people

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in there.
So if you want to submit any

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questions for us to answer,
that's the place to be.

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We'll whack the link in there
along with loads of other things

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like links to episodes when
they're released and all that

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good stuff.
Hayden every now and then, maybe

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one per 200 messages.
We'll put something in there if

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you want to hear from the man
himself who does nothing for the

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podcast.
I like how that's already a

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running meme in the WhatsApp
community.

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I like that someone, a listener,
was making a joke out of it and

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I was like well certainly won't
be bloody replying to that.

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I love how I love how that
person joined the group, right?

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I think it was Georgia joined
the group and said, hey,

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everyone, how you doing?
And my first was, yeah, we're

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just talking about how Hayden
does nothing.

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And then her reply was, I
thought that might come up.

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Yeah.
And ironically, I didn't reply.

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So I looked at her.
I thought, yeah, I'll reply to

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that later.
I never, ever did.

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Anyway, Hayden, we're on the
road to Hayden becoming expected

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standard in reading.
So I saw today we could have you

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read about the questions, OK.
And all of the community joined

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down below is a link we can
rate, I think in the teacher

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discussion WhatsApp group, we
can rate Hayden's reading, maybe

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give you a bit of feedback.
Yeah.

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OK.
So let's do that today.

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Let's have a think.
Over to you, Hayden.

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Let's have a You'd be a really
good teacher with that sort of

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attitude towards learning.
I'm just giving you the chance

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to.
Show all right mate.

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Let's get with some pointed
feedback, yeah?

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Yeah, clearly.
Question one.

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Crap.
If your last class could give

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you a performance review, what
would the headline be?

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Wow, I wonder what your
performance review would be?

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10 out of 10.
No one reads better than that.

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I'm the best reader.
That was good intonation there.

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Good focus on Orissy in the new
curriculum.

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Well done.
If my class gave me a

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performance review what the
headline the headline would be

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Monkey Ape named after man.
Teacher has Gerkin on his head.

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That would be it.
Yeah, Deadly serious.

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Yeah, yeah, because all I can
think of is how every single

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year when you've done like the
you're in year 6, obviously, and

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they always do their memories
from school and they get to year

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4 where I spent most of my
career and their memories are.

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So if the class were giving me
something here, then their core

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memories are always never to do
with the lessons were inspiring.

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I learnt so much with Mr. Price.
I did all this good stuff me

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that my ear like come on guys,
tell me I go to teach where I

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am.
They just simply say I remember

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the gorilla story and I remember
the Gherkin story.

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Yeah.
And that's that.

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That What's the gorilla story?
It's just the fact that you're

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hairy.
That I mean that is true and

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they do see by beardy beard and
comment on that, but no, the

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gorilla story.
So quick context, very, very

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quickly.
I told my children two stories

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one year at the start of the
year and for the rest of the

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year was just ingrained in their
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One was the Gherkin story. 1 was
the gorilla story.

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Gorilla story Very quickly when
my mum was pregnant with me, so

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back in 1993, obviously she
lived up north.

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That's where we came from up
north and we went to Cheshire

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Zoo.
I say we, I was in the womb, but

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I did go, I guess I went went to
Cheshire Zoo and there was a new

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monkey born and I think it was
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It was, you know, them ape.
They're like a heard.

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I don't know what the collective
noun for an ape heard.

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You said heard.
We're going with her.

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I don't think it's heard.
A Parliament of Apes colony.

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I don't know.
I'm not going to try and pretend

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to know.
All right, Let me just tell my

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story, which is an anecdote and
no one can argue.

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Go back to the herd of apes.
Go back to that bit.

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Well, there was a pride of apes
in the city and the newborn ape

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was called Dylan and my mum
didn't know what to call me.

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She saw Dylan.
So that's a nice name.

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It's stuck.
And obviously I was called Dylan

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in the end.
So whenever people say you named

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after Dylan Thomas, the Welsh
poet, or you named after Bob

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Dylan the iconic musician, I say
no, I'm named after a big old

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ape in Chester Zoo who grew up
to be the alpha male ape, the

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leader of the pack.
So the joke I said with the kids

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at the time was that Ape has
done more of its life than I

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have.
Just like he's got to be the

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leader.
I'm not the leader of my

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country.
I'm just a lonely teacher.

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I didn't know what she said.
It's not even the leader of this

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podcast.
It's crazy, isn't it?

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You think you are, but.
Well, I don't know about that

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anyway, we'll check your reading
later on, but that's where that

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came from.
And then the other story, the

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Gherkin stories.
I was playing cricket once when

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I was younger, indoor cricket.
I went out to bat, we ended up

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winning.
I got my high score ever got

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like 80 odd, which which in
cricket for me at that point

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indoors was like, wow, it's good
for me, very nice.

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And the coach, before I went
out, unbeknownst to me, had put

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his Gherkin from his MacDonald.
I got on my helmet, I went out

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the whole time, had the Gherkin
on, won the game, came back out

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and they were all shouting
Gherkin.

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And I was like, what you got
about no, stay on?

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Yeah, stayed on.
I was like, yeah, on my helmet.

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So there was people at my
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I must have been like early
teens when that happened.

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And I played cricket until I was
an adult.

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And I think there were people at
that Cricket Club who didn't

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know my name, who just, oh, it's
Gherkin.

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It's Gherkin.
Yeah, Gherkin.

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Like they kept.
In fact, they got a short one as

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well.
Like, you know, full names.

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He's he's actually called
Gherkin, but we just call him

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because we're his mates.
His full name, He's got column

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you.
Yeah.

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Call him you.
Oh my God, it's like I had that,

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that that kid in my classes in
year 6 who had you in year 4

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previous years and just spent
honestly, the first week of year

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6 just desperately like saying,
can I please, can I please go

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down to your vore and tell, Oh,
Mr Price's new class, the

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Gherkin story.
And I was like, I don't think he

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wants that.
That child came to me and was

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like, I was thinking maybe I
could come in English time

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because it's like a story, isn't
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And I could tell the story.
I don't think you're a Year 6

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teacher will allow you to miss
something the.

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Fact that that was like, like
you said, though, they remember

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that that is that's the
headline, that's you.

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That's you in a profound
performance.

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Review So.
So my performance you from the

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children, Yeah, would definitely
be based on ridiculous,

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hilarious stories like that from
the adults.

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I'm hoping it'll be a bit more
to do with my good teaching.

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How about you?
Yeah, I think from the children

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probably something silly as
well.

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Maybe silly teacher somehow
makes us learn because, you

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know, even we've just more self.
Aware when they're older.

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It's like, not sure how we
learned but we did For some

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reason, even though he was
silly, I think about the blow

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dart maths.
Yep, it's a classic example.

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I imagine kids at the time of
thinking this is a laugh.

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Well this is so silly.
They didn't know didn't they?

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They were learning their times
tables as they were passing out,

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pretending to be in the jungle,
running away from me, blow

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darting them because they didn't
know the time table.

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I think what they probably
thought was I can't believe

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we're getting away with this.
Can't believe normally I just do

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like hundreds of times sables
questions and you have to do 3

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here and pretend I'm being a
tranquillizer dart and I heard

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of apes are coming at me.
Man, I really did lose it that

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year.
I know we joked about it at the

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time, but even on reflection,
I'm like, that was I really did

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lose my mind.
Was that the year that you had a

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river?
Yeah, I think it was.

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OK, so I think like if anyone
needs to go back and listen to

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Monday's episode about parenting
and teaching, get a bit more of

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an insight.
But I I also think that when I

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had my son in October 23 and you
had River in November 23, I do

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think that for like the next
three months we were

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collectively just out of action,
like just just completely

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zonked.
Yeah.

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So I reckon that class, funnily
enough, probably got the most

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unhinged version of us.
We were still delivering the

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curriculum and stuff, but I
definitely was just, like,

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running on fumes.
Yeah.

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I was not sort of in this
reality, really.

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I was in a weird new version of
reality that was in my hand.

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The match that he's got the blow
tight, I don't think that's on

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the NTTM website.
How do you think our interest,

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because you mentioned this a
second ago, How do you think?

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What do you actually think
teachers would say about us?

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You said all the kids thought
the kids performance review.

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What?
What do you actually think now?

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We're not in the school.
Other teachers, Yeah, actually,

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they're.
Just not SLT so like.

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Just yeah, just general
colleagues on average, the

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average.
What do you think people would

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say?
I OK, I think it's split, right?

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And I'd be interested to what
people listening to this have to

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say about what people might
think about them.

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I genuinely think it's split
three ways, which is bizarre,

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right.
So the first way, the first

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group of people are the teaching
assistants and people who are

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literally in my room with me.
Yeah, OK.

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I think those people from.
What, they hate you?

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They couldn't they couldn't wait
to the back of me, but everyone

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I've spoken to and I've seen
some of them since etcetera,

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like are really, really, really
nice, really positive and say,

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Oh, you so clearly just really
wanted to help you know the kids

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as much as possible.
You're such a good teacher that

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are there and that's nice to
hear like anyone likes to hear

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that.
So when they're in my room, then

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another group of people who
literally never worked for me.

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So like people who just in the
school maybe like working in

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year 3 and I wasn't or then we
moved around and they were in a

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different year group, but never
actually worked with me.

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And I probably think they've got
this idea that like, Oh yeah,

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he's probably a decent teacher,
got cracks on it, is a bit bit

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funny with the kids, has a laugh
with them.

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Maybe he doesn't take it
seriously all the time, blah,

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blah, blah.
But like, yeah, fine.

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Probably I don't know much about
him, but big mouth him when it

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comes to staff room maybe helped
me every now and then because he

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said something that means I
didn't have to do that.

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So that's cool.
I'm hoping that's what they

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think.
So.

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Which is quite neutral, really.
Yeah.

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And then the last group are the
other teachers who've worked

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with me but not been in the
classroom with me.

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And I imagine there's some weird
middle ground there.

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For God's sake, Dylan, just do
this thing.

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Why not remember to do this
thing, this really small thing

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that I just need you to remember
to do, and I genuinely forgotten

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to do it or this really small
thing I want you to do.

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And I've been like, no, don't
want, don't want to do that.

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I'm going home.
See you later.

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Tell him that would take 10
minutes.

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No, I'm not doing it, Principal.
Yeah, principal.

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I don't care.
I'm going to just stand up.

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And like there were definitely
awkward moments where people who

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I directly worked with probably
resent me in a way because I

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would just have these really
strong at the end of my career

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anyway, really strong boundaries
of just like, yeah, well, I'm

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not doing that though, because
I'm not trying to be horrible

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or, or awkward or anything like
that.

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I'm not doing it.
And by the way, if this means

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that you have more work, I will
help you to find a way to make

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it not have you.
I don't want to give you work

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just so I'm being selfish.
I'm not like that at all.

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But I equally think that they
realised that I've gone with the

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kids really well and the kids
enjoyed being in my class and

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they made really good progress.
So now my three groups of

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people, a really long way of
saying, yeah, good.

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It is job hopefully likes
getting on with the kids, enjoys

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being in the room with the
children, but quite stubborn.

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Oh that was perfect.
What I'll do is I'll cut out all

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the stuff you just said for the
last 5 minutes and I'll just cut

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that bit in.
Perfect, that's the answer I was

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looking for.
Cheers for that.

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I try and give fleshed out
detail that's gone.

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What's your answer to 3 words?
Go.

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That's one stubborn stubborn too
there.

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We go.
This is.

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The next question.
Deep breaths.

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I want to talk like the person
in the back of the room can hear

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you.
So imagine I'm in the back of

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the assembly hall.
I want to be able to hear you.

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OK.
Don't know.

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Don't cover your mouth with the
iPad.

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Lower off you go.
All right.

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What's your What's your?
Louder.

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Louder.
Louder.

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What's your teacher?
Louder.

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Stop.
Listen.

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It's OK.
It's fine.

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Listen.
I know there's 300 people in

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this room with you, but it's
just me and you.

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In a minute, calm down and stop
talking.

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Don't say listen, I want you to
talk, but I want you to talk as

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if the person who's at the back,
Miss, Miss Brown, over there at

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the back of the room, she needs
to hear your voice.

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That could be your mum at the
back.

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And she?
Oh, your mum's not coming, she's

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got work and that toxic head
teacher wanted to leave for her

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own child's assembly but we'll
make we'll make her stay for

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someone else's child assembly.
Sorry, but Miss Brown needs to

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hear nice and loud.
What's your teacher's superpower

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and what's your teacher
kryptonite?

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Teacher superpower for me is
being being able to fly.

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OK, not made-up.
To fly, fly across the room.

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I take helicoptering to a new
level.

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I'm actually helicoptering
around the room, flying around,

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making sure I'm plugging those
gaps, helping those kids out.

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That's my teacher.
That's impressive.

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And I think actually thinking
back, that's probably going to

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be on my my headline for my
performance room.

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Yeah, Mr. Price, flying around
the room, helicoptering, because

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that's my super.
I reckon that would be something

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that would stand out.
Yeah, for sure, To be honest.

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Yeah, Annoyingly, I was going to
say the same.

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I'm also a helicopter, so I've
really gotten that.

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You're the only other one and we
happen to be doing this.

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Podcast, you know, there's like
those kids shows with the

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helicopter.
It's got like a big face on the

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front.
Demonic.

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Yeah, that's me.
I just go snap.

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I'm just helicopter.
I'm actually that's 8 * 7 is 56.

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There are we doing in.
The kids here your helicoptering

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above my head.
That's how it works actually.

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And my teacher kryptonite is
kryptonite.

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Yeah, it actually is, as you are
also.

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Superman.
I am Superman.

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You're in kryptonite to the
room.

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I just, I freeze and stick.
Oh.

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Well, I'm glad you're taking
this question so seriously.

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Bringing it back to reality, I
think my superpower as a teacher

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is probably.
This might sound a bit corny,

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probably something along the
lines of kids to enjoy subjects.

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Oh shut.
I just think I can't.

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Just inspire the children.
It's my superpower.

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You have just said my superpower
is inspiring.

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Look, my superpower.
You're talking LinkedIn account.

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I just love inspiring children.
It's my superpower.

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If there's one thing I could
pick that I'm so good at because

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my name's Mr Stevens and I
inspire the next generation, I

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love it.
I'm so good at.

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OK, listen, my superpower is
being able to helicopter around

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the river and shout.
Let's move on.

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Come on, come on.
It's.

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Going to be sensitive maths.
I feel like maths is my

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superpower.
Teaching maths is my superpower.

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I think I always ask kids, this
is just from my ego.

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Blame is at the beginning of the
year, particularly if I've got

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like a lower ability set or a
mixed ability set where I know

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there's of kids in there.
I'm like, they just don't like

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maths.
I say who who loves maths?

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Or in fact I'll say who doesn't,
who can't be honest, who doesn't

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really like maths and you've got
so many hands up and I'll change

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it by the end of the year.
I always at the end of the year

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ask who likes maths and no
change.

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You missed that part at the
start where you ask who doesn't

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like maths and no puts hand up
and you say you don't like

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maths.
Yeah, no, you don't put your

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hand up.
I need to show data.

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I need to show progress on my
superpower.

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Don't worry though, we don't
measure this so it doesn't

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matter actually.
I think, I think to be fair, my

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superpower is, is certainly
building a rapport of my class,

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I think quite quickly.
Yeah, that's what I'd say.

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It's a.
Real 1 like not just.

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I demand respect, yeah.
Because I know sometimes it can

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be quite reductive and annoying
and really frustrating to hear

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someone say why don't you just
build a relationship with your

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class of it?
It doesn't work for everyone.

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It doesn't solve all the
problems.

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But I do genuinely think that
give it three weeks at the start

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of September, if you come into
my room, my class, I know the

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kids really well.
I really try and understand what

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they like and what makes them
tick and who they are as people

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and talk to them individually,
you know, learn their names

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quickly, all that kind of stuff.
It doesn't necessarily solve

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every problem ever, but I I love
like we become a group.

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We, we become a team so quickly.
And yeah, obviously it's going

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to sound corny whenever you say
anything.

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It's just super family.
We have family and a family

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means Ohana and ohana means
nobody.

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Let's get all right.
And then I put on my stitch

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voice and I say health counts.
What's a common those stature?

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It's.
There with stitch bags like

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running out, that's what stitch
sounds like.

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Stitches in the helicopter go
around the room.

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But yeah, I'd say that's my
teacher's superpower is just

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building a team ethos where we
all look out for each other very

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quickly.
And I think that is something I

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would say if I would compare to
other people, that's what I put

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on my pedestal.
I can think of a kryptonite that

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I feel like maybe it's for both
of us as.

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Well, so you're telling me what
I'm bad at?

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That's great.
Basically, I can think of

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something that you're really bad
at.

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Yeah.
It's my polite way of saying

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I've got something you're
rubbish at now.

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I think it's something we've
we've discussed quite a lot in

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the past.
I do feel like we'll share this.

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Is it doing the very basics of
the job?

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The yeah, the yeah, the
kryptonite turning up, you know,

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turning up teaching kids.
It's just, oh, I can't do that.

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But no, I think it is.
And correct me if I'm wrong, is.

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Oh, I will.
Is kind of the opposite of what

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you're saying is when you
actually have a child or a

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couple of children in your
classroom where their behaviour

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is so unruly that it feels like
it goes out of my scope.

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I'm like, I, there's a point
where I'm like, I, because I

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just have this like, I just make
nice relationships with the kids

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and I feel like it doesn't take
too much effort when it actually

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is a horrible challenge.
And I really, really don't like

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the behaviour is extremely
challenging.

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I'm like, everything breaks and
I'm like, oh, I don't know what

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to do anymore because I don't
actually want, want this

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relationship that you're just
saying here, I don't want to be

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part of this ethos, this, this
family of the classroom.

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Like, what do I do?
And I feel like other teachers

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are way better at behaviour
management when they've got

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those like really tricky
classes.

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And if I get those classes, I
always feel like, yeah, I'm this

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is, I'm not the best person to
be doing this.

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I like, I need help.
I think you're absolutely right

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to be fair, because like, as
easy as it is for me to say,

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building those bonds, the same
things people say to me is,

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well, I can't in my class.
And I'd be like, yeah, actually,

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sometimes I think there are
times where I really struggle

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with that as well.
And it's frustrating because I

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don't necessarily think it's
always the fault of the teacher.

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I do think that some teachers
like build this superpower of

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being able to deal with things
like that and, and kind of with

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experience, maybe learn stuff.
But I think teachers are poorly

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equipped half the time when it
comes to dealing with those kind

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of behaviours because stuff has
been just stripped out in terms

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of funding and support.
Because usually with extreme

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behaviours, almost always from
my experience, extreme

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behaviours works in tandem with
something else, something going

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on at home, some kind of support
needed, some kind of education,

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health plan that's like on the
way, but it maybe isn't even

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there yet.
And even if EHCP is there, the

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funding is so rubbish that often
it's literally impossible to

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fund the needs of that document,
which is a document enshrined by

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law.
It's such a bizarre system.

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I think we need to do an episode
on in the future how EHCPS are

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so important for children and,
and really, really, really

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important for parents to kind of
back up and talk about.

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And again, we'll, we'll speak
about this multiple times, but

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what needs to happen is parents
are going to be advocating for

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their children really important.
And but as a teacher, there is

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only so much I can do.
There is only so much I can do.

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And that's probably my
kryptonite in terms of my hands

449
00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,040
are tied like it to me.
Kryptonite is something you

450
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,880
can't control.
And it's that it's like if I

451
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,680
have these unmet needs that I'm
not getting funding for a child

452
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,240
needs a 1 to 1, three children
needs a one to one in my room,

453
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,600
but only got enough for one TA.
That one TA being a 1 to 1

454
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,080
doesn't exist when it's a one to
three.

455
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,480
We talked about it before.
I was crazy.

456
00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,400
That's my kryptonite.
I think when external factors

457
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,280
literally tie up my hand as a
teacher, I'd love to give as

458
00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,840
much help and support as I can
and as I should be able to give,

459
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,360
but I physically can't.
Like that's frustrating.

460
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,400
Ends up pitting parent against
teacher I think.

461
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,760
Yeah, yeah, No, that's
interesting.

462
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,920
I think you'll find also that
kryptonite actually leaves you

463
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,800
on the floor completely unable
to move, so I'm not sure you

464
00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,840
took it literally enough.
So if you can, if you think of

465
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,680
it, it's peanuts.
I'm.

466
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,160
I'm, I'm allergic to peanuts.
How's your teacher group

467
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,960
tonight?
Yeah, well, if you know what's

468
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,440
going to happen on the floor
unresponsive.

469
00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,680
Yeah.
I am allergic to peanuts.

470
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,960
So I benefit quite nicely from
schools.

471
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,520
No nut.
No nut policy, no nut allergies.

472
00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,360
Yeah.
Love that this next question

473
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,440
really piqued my interest,
particularly again to ask you.

474
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,040
So do you think schools put
enough support in place to

475
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,360
support teachers who have SENS
such as autism or ADHD?

476
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,640
I I've got to say that when you
didn't think about reading, when

477
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,000
you when we didn't make it a
thing, you're reading really

478
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:14,840
improved.
Oh, thank you.

479
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,800
No, no, sorry.
I just want to say take you to

480
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,200
one side and just tell you I
appreciate that.

481
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,880
I think that's really, really
good.

482
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,560
No, I do, and I think maybe what
you need to do is just not worry

483
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:25,960
about it so much.
Don't put it at the forefront

484
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,160
your mind.
And if we just ease reading into

485
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,400
just being part of your almost
link it with your oracy out loud

486
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,920
and just talking and then maybe
just snap into that reading.

487
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,400
We're going to get to expected
as a grading.

488
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,640
I'm not going to grade you right
now because that might that

489
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,080
might ruin all of the buildings
up I've done.

490
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,560
Yeah yeah.
If I slapped an actual grading

491
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,600
on at the end cuz the grading
wouldn't probably.

492
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,240
Be what you want to hear, no?
OK but OK, I find this so

493
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,880
interesting for a number of
reasons.

494
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,480
Like 1 is like societal and
another one is like literally

495
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,320
within education as a whole.
Because I think in society,

496
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,920
children rightfully often are
given much more leeway in terms

497
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,560
of they're getting used to the
world, they're getting used to

498
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,040
their own minds and their own
needs, etcetera.

499
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:13,160
And they're learning, right?
So if a child has ASD or ADHD or

500
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,880
anything here, autism, it's
something that needs to be

501
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,840
supported and the child needs
help and the child will learn

502
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,800
and adapt.
And then as a as an adult, I

503
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,000
still think it's important to
have things in place.

504
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,200
But I do think in society it's
seen as well, you're an adult

505
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,840
now.
So there comes a point with some

506
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,760
of these diagnosis where you're
like, cool, you have built up a

507
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:41,000
tool kit to survive in this
world and therefore you don't

508
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,120
need as much help from external
sources.

509
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,120
I think that's still true.
Talking to someone who literally

510
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,960
grew up learning about this
whole, I'm always reluctant to

511
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,640
say I've got autism because I
don't have the official

512
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,320
diagnosis and I'm not going
through the waiting list,

513
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,560
etcetera.
But it's incredibly clear,

514
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,040
having worked in the education
system and talked to anyone who

515
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,920
knows me for 2 seconds is that I
have definitely got autism.

516
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,440
So I can talk about this.
Like growing up you learn to

517
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,960
mask and stuff and you might get
some support and some

518
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,040
understanding and some help.
I think it's different when

519
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,320
you're an adult, but I also
think that autism and ADHD,

520
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,480
there are such varying degrees
of need and how it presents.

521
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,200
Like if I were to say to someone
on the street what the song with

522
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,840
autism look like, what the
someone with autism act like,

523
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,480
you'd get 5000 different
answers, right?

524
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,840
And that's because it looks
different for everyone.

525
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,200
And there is no one way that
someone with autism looks.

526
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,400
There is no one way that someone
with ADHD act.

527
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,440
It doesn't work like that.
So this is, this is my long way

528
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,400
of saying that I think in terms
of society as a whole, simply

529
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,040
the difference between a child
and an adult.

530
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,960
I think it's acceptable to
understand that the same cohort

531
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,960
of people when they are 8 with
these needs compared to when

532
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,640
they are 32 with these needs,
what we need to put in place for

533
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,040
them will be different and
almost certainly less for those

534
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,600
adults.
Hoping that over time these

535
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,600
these people have learnt like I
have to mask and to adapt and to

536
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,560
cope with things a bit better.
That having been said, I don't

537
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,920
think that we go far enough,
often enough for adults with

538
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,840
these conditions.
I don't think there's that

539
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,880
understanding there as well like
we just talked about.

540
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,280
I'm really interested to hear
what you think.

541
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,640
I don't think you're on the
spectrum, but you know, you, you

542
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520
certainly everyone, there's this
thing going around now like, oh,

543
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,800
we're all on the spectrum.
We all have these traits.

544
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,200
I'm like, I kind of understand
what you mean, but it really,

545
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,880
really, really diminishes like a
diagnosis and someone who

546
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,480
actually has it.
One of the reasons why I'm so

547
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,160
reluctant to go around saying
I've got this.

548
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,800
Yeah, because I, I, I do not
have the certificate that says

549
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,160
that.
And I always think I don't want

550
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,840
to demean anyone who does have
it because I'd say I, I very

551
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,640
much pass as neurotypical in the
way I act.

552
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,800
I mean, I might not, you think,
you think I think I do.

553
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040
But I, but like every single
person I spoke to about when I

554
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,600
say, oh, I've got this, they're,
they're basically like, oh, I

555
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,320
know, I know that for me, if I
got a big reveal, yeah.

556
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,760
People who know me anyway, I'm
interested to hear what you

557
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,240
think from that point of view of
like definitely from a

558
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,720
neurotypical background is
enough?

559
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,040
Like does what I just said make
any sense whatsoever?

560
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,680
Like am I just chatting nonsense
or do you think there's a

561
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,080
difference between adults and is
enough done for them?

562
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,240
I think it makes complete sense
in terms of you, when you're

563
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,120
younger, you're still exploring,
you're still learning the world.

564
00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:28,680
Obviously you need a bit more
support to like become a

565
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,600
functioning member of society.
That's what we're all doing

566
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,160
really, isn't it?
We're teaching children how to

567
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,680
become functioning members of
society.

568
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,320
And when you've got ADHD or
autism or something like that,

569
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,800
that might just make it harder
for you.

570
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,760
Obviously we need to give
support, but the idea is the end

571
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,760
goal is that everyone feels
comfortable in their own skin

572
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,440
and yeah, and is a functioning
part of society.

573
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,720
But once they functioning part
of society one more time

574
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,400
functioning.
Part of society, but it's

575
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,240
interesting very quickly on that
functioning thing it's like that

576
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,760
can be loaded as well I've seen
that being like, OK, what do you

577
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,480
mean functioning parts like I'm
not defined by how society might

578
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,040
say I need to be yeah and.
And there might be some people

579
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,040
there.
Well, there will be definitely

580
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,800
some people with these needs who
won't ever get to what everyone

581
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,640
sees as that functioning part of
society.

582
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,040
Sure.
And that's also OK.

583
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,680
And that comes in what you're
saying with support.

584
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,120
I just want to make that clear.
Like the aim isn't for everyone

585
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,720
to become nice little drone to
work and and do stuff without

586
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,080
support.
The I I know what you're saying

587
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:16,320
now.
Yeah, I.

588
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,320
Think I think that's actually a
really good distinction to make

589
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,400
because you're absolutely right
When I say functioning part of

590
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,120
society, what I mean is you feel
like you can be in the society,

591
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:25,520
literally.
It doesn't mean you necessarily.

592
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,920
You're working and you're one of
the cogs in the machine.

593
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,360
It just means you feel like you
can be a part of the community.

594
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:31,040
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah.

595
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,040
And, and there are parts where
absolutely like this question I

596
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,040
met to about support for adults
in schools who literally have

597
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,480
them themselves.
That's part of that, isn't it?

598
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,240
It's like, how do I support you
to have a life that you want to

599
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,040
have in this society?
So my big concern is, and this

600
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520
is where maybe not even
necessarily disagree, but it

601
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,080
feels like you're more
comfortable with it.

602
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,840
You you mentioned masking like
really casually and how you're

603
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,360
like, yeah, we're just teaching
kids to to mask.

604
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,560
You actually said teaching is
the mask.

605
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,440
I'm sure you didn't mean like,
yeah, teach them to hide it.

606
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,960
But basically from your
perspective, you basically have

607
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,760
just learned to mask and like
you said, you can present as

608
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,600
neurotypical people don't really
know you, but I'm like, is that

609
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,320
necessarily a good thing though?
Is that what this questions down

610
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,520
to?
Is like, should we be teaching

611
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,120
people to mask or should we just
be teaching society to be like,

612
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,960
this is just who these people?
Are it's it's tricky because it

613
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,480
depends what you mean by
masking.

614
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,680
Again, I understand anyone
listening to this probably

615
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,720
crying out like no, that some
people can't mask and can't help

616
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,200
it.
I know this is a spectrum, but

617
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,440
I'm just talking from experience
and about some people you you

618
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,280
do.
Masking is something that can

619
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,800
make it harder for someone to
assess sometimes.

620
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,520
And we always talk about how
girls often mask more than boys

621
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,080
And that's why you get maybe
more diagnosis of boys younger

622
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,920
and then you get more diagnosis
of girls as they get older into

623
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,640
teenage years when it comes to
these kind of things.

624
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,720
But I do think masking is
important.

625
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:56,600
Like, like personally, I'm quite
glad that what I do outside and

626
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,120
in my job and as as a, as a
school teacher, I was grateful

627
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,440
that I can mask.
I was grateful that I can like,

628
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,480
I've got to the point where I
can be like, OK, no, I'm, I'm in

629
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,040
this different zone now.
I'm this different person and

630
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,480
then I can get home and I can
stem.

631
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Do you know what I mean?
Like so for anyone now that's

632
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,160
stemming is like when you like
do something to like just

633
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,880
stimulate yourself.
It might be like a movement,

634
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,640
shaking your arms or shaking
your hands or like doing a silly

635
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,120
sound on repeat and stuff like
that.

636
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,160
Like so I'll I'll be stood in
the shower.

637
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,520
I'm not stood in the shower
because I hate the sensation of

638
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,360
standing in the shower.
You've talked about before,

639
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,840
which is true.
So I stand like outside of the

640
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,920
shower.
But if I'm in the shower,

641
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320
because it's so overstimulating
for me, like incredibly

642
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,480
overstimulating, I will always
be like humming like a theme

643
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,160
tube.
I can feel myself now wanting to

644
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,320
stem 'cause I'm talking about
it.

645
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,960
I feel like humming a theme tune
over and over again.

646
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,960
Do you know who wants to in
there?

647
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,920
Yeah, I still to this day right
the theme tune for who wants to

648
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,240
in there, right.
I will do it every single time I

649
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,520
step in the shower.
That's so funny.

650
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,440
Every single time.
And I don't.

651
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,640
I want to do it right now but
I'm not going.

652
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,720
To I can't believe that because
I remember, I remember this stem

653
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,320
because obviously I'm, I'm
outside of this podcast, we are

654
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,240
actually close friends.
So like, you know, I, I've

655
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040
obviously seen this stem and I
remember you doing that after

656
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,960
Yeah, who wants to see a
millionaire?

657
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,760
Didn't realise you're still.
Doing I still do it still do it

658
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,320
in the sheriff and I still I
stem Mario sounds yeah Mario who

659
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,160
wants to be in there and I can
just talking about this.

660
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,520
I can feel myself building
tension in my body that I want

661
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,840
to stem physically yeah, because
I'll stem with my hands all the

662
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,840
time.
I'll like hit my hands together

663
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,920
yeah or I'll like the worst one
I do is like I hit my head yeah

664
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,440
as well like I just like I just
can't.

665
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,520
You can see if you're on it now.
You can see my hand like

666
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,240
stemming like this because I
just want to like release and

667
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,160
it's just like it's like 3
seconds.

668
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,280
But the kind of point here God,
there you go.

669
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,240
There's my, there's another
thing I might do in school.

670
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,400
I think absolutely we should be
accepting people who STEM

671
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,120
absolutely expecting people to
do that.

672
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,560
There are children in my
classroom who I've had who, who

673
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,320
STEM and have autism diagnosis
and need these things.

674
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480
And I'm like, I couldn't be more
understanding of them because I

675
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,080
get it myself.
And I'm never ever, ever, ever,

676
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,160
ever, just to be really clear,
telling them they shouldn't be

677
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,920
doing this in class.
That's not what I'm saying at

678
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,560
all.
What I'm saying is that just

679
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,840
over time, I learnt to because I
wanted to, I wanted to not do

680
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,760
that for whatever reason,
whether that's good or bad.

681
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,160
But I'm not teaching children.
Oh, you need to hide this

682
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,120
because I hide this.
You need to do this because I

683
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,360
did this.
Not at all.

684
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,840
So I get what you're saying.
Like I think what you're saying

685
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,200
is, is a really valid point.
And I don't know is the answer.

686
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Like even as someone who does it
myself I I know we shouldn't be

687
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,880
teaching them to, but I don't
necessarily think it's

688
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,240
automatically bad that people
learn to try and control it when

689
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,040
they can.
If we called masking like a

690
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,480
coping mechanism or something or
or a way to just just to like, I

691
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,440
imagine when you're out and
about, sometimes it is nice to

692
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,080
mask because you just don't want
the attention.

693
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,680
You don't want to talk about.
Oh, hello, I've this is my

694
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,640
autism diet.
You don't want.

695
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,400
Why would you always want to be
talking about it?

696
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,240
You some people won't care, some
people do care.

697
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,920
I personally just like in the
middle of like Sainsbury's

698
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520
aisle.
If I can control it, not going

699
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,480
woo Hoo like that and just like
tapping away, then I will.

700
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,160
And, and I know I'm, I'm
privileged and happy to be in

701
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,480
that situation where I can do
that because some people can't.

702
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,760
So I'm not.
I want to make this really clear

703
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,320
answering this question We've
got on a real tangent here.

704
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840
There is no one blanket answer.
That's the point.

705
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,920
Like if, if ADHD was just a
thing and autism was just a

706
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,520
thing, then we'd all understand
it much more, much more clearly.

707
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,600
We'd all, we'd all probably have
better training for it.

708
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,360
But every single training I've
been on for autism, I'm thinking

709
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:34,600
of autism in particular has been
useful, but like to understand

710
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,480
it more.
But I've never really come out

711
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,280
of it thinking I have this
strategy now to help with autism

712
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,320
because it's impossible if you,
there is no one strategy to help

713
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,040
with these things because you
could.

714
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,600
I, I, I'd have six children in
my class who diagnosed ASD one

715
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,280
one year I had six children,
right?

716
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,200
And I tell you now, every single
child had a different support

717
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,720
like plan that helped them.
Yeah, yeah. 1 might be literally

718
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,360
some kind of fidget device to
just help them with the

719
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,520
stemming.
Another one might be the ability

720
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,800
to like every now and then go
off and let off some steam

721
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400
because they literally have so
much pent up.

722
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,240
And I'm like, I feel that point.
There might be someone else who

723
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,440
is diagnosed but shows
absolutely nothing in the lesson

724
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,480
and they don't actually need any
extra support whatsoever.

725
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520
It's something that they mask
and they get home and they're

726
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,240
the parents at home are dealing
with the blow off, right.

727
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
So there's loads of things we
put in place these children, but

728
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,600
there's not just like, oh,
here's the autism policy where

729
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,160
you do this thing for children
with autism.

730
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,960
It's really, really hard and
going to with with adults.

731
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,880
I do think that if an adult
needs it, they should get it And

732
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,280
it doesn't matter.
The whole point I've been saying

733
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,880
here about how it changes from
being a child to an adult.

734
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,840
Well, whatever, I never, I mean,
I don't know, I'm trying to

735
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,320
think now maybe I would have
benefited from something, but at

736
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,840
being a teacher, I never needed
something extra in support place

737
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,680
in place for me.
I think my desire to just call

738
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,840
things out when I hear it, it's
just ridiculous.

739
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,920
It's probably a byproduct of it
of of like the way I am, but I

740
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,440
don't it was never something
that I think needed some kind of

741
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,520
policy.
The only thing maybe that might

742
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,280
have benefited from is just like
people being a bit more

743
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,640
understanding of what I'm like,
because I really am not trying

744
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
to be rude.
Like, you know, I've got crip.

745
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,200
I am.
I cripplingly try not to be rude

746
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,080
to people.
Yeah.

747
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,200
And I overthink stuff massively,
yes, because, because I know,

748
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,960
yeah, that if I was to just be
unfiltered and say stuff without

749
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
me meaning to be, I would
probably hurt someone's

750
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,720
feelings.
I'd probably be mean to someone.

751
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,640
And I know people just say
that's just part of being an

752
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,160
adult.
I know.

753
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,080
But I just struggle with that
because all I'm thinking is

754
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,440
logic.
I'm like, well, that's stupid

755
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:37,960
because of that.
Well.

756
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,840
That's probably a good example,
to be fair, because we've worked

757
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,760
here in quite an understanding
school where like you said that

758
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,120
you didn't really need anything
else in place.

759
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,400
But if we think about working in
schools that are quite toxic,

760
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040
right, you could potentially put
yourself into a lot of trouble

761
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360
just for the fact that you are
black and white and like you are

762
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,400
really, really black and white.
It's not like, particularly when

763
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,000
it comes to like voicing your
opinion in education, right?

764
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
And there have been times at our
previous school where you said

765
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,400
stuff and it has genuinely come
up because I've spoke to you

766
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,960
often and be like, Dylan, I was
like, that was just blatantly

767
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,920
rude.
Like the way you said that.

768
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,280
And you're like, oh, God, I
didn't mean to be rude.

769
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,880
But like, I was just trying to,
you know, get everything you

770
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,400
just said.
But the school's quite

771
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,680
understanding.
But there's other schools where

772
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,080
you could then maybe have got in
trouble over that.

773
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,840
And it could someone could argue
like, OK, this person has now

774
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,080
been unfairly treated because of
autism, for example.

775
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320
And it's, you know, that we're
not, we're not factoring that in

776
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,200
and like that.
So someone could argue and say

777
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,520
yeah, absolutely we should be
putting in things to recognise

778
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,200
teachers neurodivergences and
then accounting for it.

779
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640
Yeah, for sure.
I think, I think so.

780
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,960
I really struggle with this
because he was hilarious like

781
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,680
two or three weeks ago on a
comment I got called ableist for

782
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,000
talking about things that we put
in place for children with

783
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,600
neurodiversity.
I was like, you're coming from a

784
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,760
neurotypical background.
I was like, mate, you don't know

785
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,600
me.
Yeah, yeah.

786
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,600
How can you say I'm ableist when
you're assuming, well, I am.

787
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,280
It's the most fabulous thing
I've ever heard.

788
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,800
So going back to this question,
I feel like we'll move on now,

789
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,760
but I don't really know if we
answered it and I don't know if

790
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,440
there is a good answer, but the
question was, do you think

791
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,720
schools put in enough support
for teachers who have Sen And

792
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,080
yeah, I guess I don't know.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

793
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Yeah, I've had and I'd love to
get your ideas because the only

794
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,280
way we can really answer this
question is by putting out to

795
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,840
you guys.
So like, let us know if you're a

796
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,160
teacher who has these needs,
etcetera.

797
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Are they being met?
I think it's crazy when a school

798
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,920
is so inclusive and has so much
stuff in place for the children.

799
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,080
We understand how important it
is if adults also have that need

800
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,760
still, for whatever reason, it's
It's odd to me that we're not

801
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,920
doing that providing we.
Have a one-size-fits-all model

802
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,120
for teachers exactly, but not
for the children.

803
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,520
That's always incredibly
inclusive.

804
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,960
Yeah, No, I really appreciate
you sharing your story, really,

805
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,280
because that was obviously very
personal.

806
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,800
And I know just from our
conversations, the fact we've

807
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,720
done this podcast for, you know,
2 1/2 three years now.

808
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,120
But there have been times in the
past where you thought, I don't

809
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,520
think I'm ready to like, share
my thoughts on this.

810
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,360
Yeah.
And my feelings.

811
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320
So it's not that I'm never not
ready, it's that I don't want to

812
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,920
undermine people who are going
through stuff.

813
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,880
I don't want to be that person
that I've seen online myself.

814
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,640
And I thought, oh.
Shut up, it's just your.

815
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,320
Experience.
You've not got this thing.

816
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,120
You're just like, like when
everyone's got a bit of autism.

817
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,080
No, they don't.
Yeah, no, they don't.

818
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,080
You have a social trait.
You have a personality trait.

819
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,800
Not everyone has a bit of
autism.

820
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,400
That's not how it works.
And I then I don't want someone

821
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,120
else to think of me and then
discredit what I'm saying.

822
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,840
So that's why I've always been a
bit like, oh, do I say it or

823
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,719
not?
But I'm at the point now where

824
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,719
I'm like, cool, I could spend 3
grand and get my private

825
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,360
assessment and within two
minutes they'll be like, yeah.

826
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,000
You're very autistic.
It's not for me personally.

827
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,199
Maybe it would be helpful or
not, I don't know.

828
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,440
But I'm just like, I'm not going
to do that.

829
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,199
But I still feel like I need to
talk about this kind of stuff

830
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:34,760
so.
Yeah, Thank you.

831
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,520
I appreciate it.
That's good.

832
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,000
Keep reading.
Yeah, back-to-back to reading

833
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,880
jokes, eh?
God, that was a long one.

834
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,239
That was good, that was
interesting.

835
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,239
So another question then that
behaviour do you think, and we

836
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,320
have done this before so you can
summarise if you want, do you

837
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,159
think behaviour is getting worse
in schools?

838
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,000
I'm going to maybe we commit,
it's a really quick one and nod

839
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,199
people back to our entire
episode, one of our most

840
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,080
listened to episodes.
We're growing here from Teacher

841
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,760
Tap and the episode tied to this
literally is behaviour getting

842
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,480
worse in schools.
I think it's in the 90s.

843
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,240
Scroll back and have a look.
I think the overarching from the

844
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,480
data and what we see is, yeah,
it seems to be because it can be

845
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,960
very easy, can't it, to have
almost rows, tinted glasses and

846
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,880
think everything's always
getting worse.

847
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,280
Isn't this the most awful year
ever yet for X?

848
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,240
Or isn't this the worst it's
ever been for Y?

849
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,440
Most of the time, probably not.
Probably not if you actually

850
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,480
look bad.
Like for a lot of stuff,

851
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,840
especially with behaviour.
If I look at my career and I map

852
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,440
how difficult behaviour was for
me, it's quite scattered.

853
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,840
And it was more down to the
individuals in the class rather

854
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
than simply just it getting
closer to present time.

855
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,760
So, you know, it's maybe getting
worse in school.

856
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,120
I've got to extrapolate from my
personal view here and say

857
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,560
clearly from the data and from
the episode, go back and have a

858
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,360
look.
It seems like it is, yeah.

859
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,640
Yeah, and I would agree.
I think it's very obvious even

860
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,440
from the anecdotal level, just
from my experience.

861
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,480
I mean, yeah, behaviour is
getting worse.

862
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Behaviour is getting worse.
Kids don't care as much.

863
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,320
I think it's, I know it's really
cliche and you hear it, you go

864
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,800
on TikTok, you hear everyone
saying about it.

865
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200
Sometimes you go roll your eyes
like it's just your experience.

866
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,480
But it is though.
Kids behave worse.

867
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,480
They don't respect school as
much.

868
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,360
I mean, I don't think, I think
the the culture of parents in

869
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,480
school has always been tricky
because I think at the end of

870
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,600
the day, everyone goes through
school.

871
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,560
And if they didn't have a nice
time at school, they then become

872
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,720
potentially become parents who
then still hate school and think

873
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,240
I have a negative opinion
towards it.

874
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,040
And maybe foster the wrong
environment at home for their

875
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,840
children in terms of how they
talk about school and how they

876
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
talk about their teachers.
But yeah, I think in a nutshell,

877
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,600
paper has got worse.
Please do go back and listen to

878
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,760
that because it was a really
good one because loads of data

879
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,200
from teachers app that'll be
actually discussed in it, which

880
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,320
is really cool.
Yeah, definitely.

881
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,200
I've got another question that's
like very much linked, so I'm

882
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,560
going to jump in with it now.
Do you feel children's attention

883
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,880
spans in class are getting
shorter?

884
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Because it's kind of linked to
behaviour, isn't it?

885
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:47,760
And if you do, which I could
imagine, maybe you're going to

886
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,160
say yes, why do you think it's
things like social media and

887
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,200
TikTok and.
Like, like it's, it's gotta be

888
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,120
right.
It's gotta be I, I really want

889
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
to draw a distinction right now
because we're going to talk

890
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,680
about attention span and
straight away people say

891
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,560
screens, it's the screen
generation.

892
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,320
They're hooked on screens at
home.

893
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,360
They have no attention span,
bright flashing colours, one

894
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,480
thing after another.
Maybe as they get older, they're

895
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,960
sitting on algorithms, on social
media, etcetera, and it's just

896
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,520
not allowing for sustained
attention on something.

897
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
The amount children are reading
a book for a sustained period of

898
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,960
time has dropped off a Cliff.
The amount they're spending sat

899
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,360
in front of a screen has gone
through the roof.

900
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,560
So I can understand, and I think
the answer to this is, are our

901
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,360
children's attention spans
getting shorter?

902
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,280
I think absolutely.
I think it's it's just

903
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,640
impossible to die that I think
the the evidence shows that

904
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,400
that's true.
But I want to almost jump to

905
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,720
screen time as a as a thing in
general because I'm really

906
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,560
interested here what you think,
because I get really frustrated

907
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,720
when screen time blanket is is
shown as bad.

908
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,840
Yeah, screen time bad in any
respect ever done.

909
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,880
No screen time at all.
It's just awful.

910
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,360
I couldn't disagree more.
And I think a big, big issue

911
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,800
here is we can say attention
spans are getting worse because

912
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,200
of what happens on a screen.
In the bad version, it happens

913
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,080
to be on the screen.
The algorithm uses a screen when

914
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,280
you're on social media,
scrolling through stuff, highly

915
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,760
engaging YouTube videos that are
flashing lights and changing

916
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,880
scenes every two seconds for
young children is on a screen.

917
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,920
So bad things can happen on a
screen.

918
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,840
But I tell you what, amazing
things can happen on the screen

919
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,680
as well.
We have more inclusivity when we

920
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,240
use screens.
Children with dyslexia can

921
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,760
dictate things onto a screen and
have it typed out for them.

922
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
You can use typing itself.
You can be on education

923
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,680
platforms that happen to be on a
screen but aren't going to be

924
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,120
shortening attention spans.
So the idea of attention spans

925
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,200
being shortened because of
screen time, to me is like

926
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,560
saying children should never,
ever, ever consume any films

927
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,040
whatsoever because there are
horror films out there which

928
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,280
will scare them and scar them
and they shouldn't be watching

929
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,360
it whatsoever.
Yeah, yeah.

930
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Nonsense horror.
Films are bad.

931
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,240
Horror films.
All all films are bad.

932
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,840
Exactly.
It's just complete nonsense in

933
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,120
the same way like some things
you do on a screen are awful and

934
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,200
should absolutely be addressed,
but that doesn't mean all screen

935
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,240
time is bad.
Yeah.

936
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,000
And I'm, I'm really, you know, I
really strongly think that.

937
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
I don't know what you think our
attention span is getting worse.

938
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440
And do you think it's because of
that even, do you think it's

939
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,160
because of the screen time or do
you think it's because of maybe

940
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,600
lots of things?
I think it is mostly because of

941
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,040
social media, I really do.
And again, it sounds quite

942
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,200
cliche and sometimes the simple
answer is the right answer.

943
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,720
But I do think it's pretty
obviously because we have

944
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,800
massive corporations who have
spent the last 20 years pumping

945
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,040
billions and billions of pounds
into marketing and advertising

946
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,280
and keeping people, keeping
people's eyes locked onto the

947
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,480
screen.
I wish they did that for our

948
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880
podcast.
Yeah, I know right through, like

949
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,520
you said, through this, they're
using the screen as a device,

950
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,000
but they're but they're using
the app.

951
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,960
This is social media, it's
YouTube, it's TikTok, it's

952
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640
shorts, it's reels.
You know, we make reels and we

953
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,280
know that short, we don't upload
the 15 minute reels every single

954
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,000
time because we know how it
works.

955
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,800
Short reels hold attention
better.

956
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,120
Like we're all part of this
game.

957
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,880
I just think it's absolutely
dreadful when there's seven-year

958
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,760
olds.
Involved in the game that they

959
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,880
absolutely shouldn't be involved
in.

960
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,840
Like it's, it's awful.
They shouldn't be on social

961
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,800
media.
We're we're marketing it to

962
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,840
adults as well.
Yeah.

963
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,760
That's the difference.
Like there are people out there

964
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,120
who are targeting kids for this
kind of thing.

965
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,520
And yeah, it's just a shame.
I think if I think about kids

966
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,800
attention spans, it is an issue
in school.

967
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Yeah, it is an issue because you
have to be able to sometimes

968
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,120
shush, stop talking, get home
with your work.

969
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,760
Yeah, for an extended period of
time for. 15 to 20 minutes the.

970
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,440
Second part of this question is
the bit that interests me.

971
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,920
I wanted to establish that we
agree, firstly that attention

972
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,080
spans are shortening.
I think we, most people probably

973
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,760
will agree with that.
The second part of this says, do

974
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,760
you think we need to change the
way we teach to adapt to this?

975
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,400
And I've heard this a lot of
like, let's just accept that

976
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,000
attention spans are rubbish now.
Yeah, like you said there, this

977
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,440
teacher might say, well, yeah,
you can say shush what you want

978
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,880
to get to do extended.
They're not going to do it

979
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,000
though.
They can't do it anymore.

980
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:00,360
Their attention spans are too
short.

981
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,040
So do we change the way we teach
to to accommodate short

982
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,600
attention spans?
Yes.

983
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,440
And this is going like, let me
be really clear, whether you say

984
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,960
yes or no straight up here, some
people will get annoyed, right?

985
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,000
So I think we should always be
adapting to the needs of our

986
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,720
class.
That's something that's

987
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,360
accepted, I think, by most, most
educators.

988
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,160
You must as a teacher, adapt to
the needs of your class.

989
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,560
That could be through your
planning.

990
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,000
That could be through your
coverage.

991
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:37,480
I think adapting also counts for
how you teach literally your

992
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,080
presence in the room.
And I also think what tasks you

993
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,880
choose for your children to do.
I remember when I was in year 3

994
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,480
and I went down in the Junior
School, there was my head of

995
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,400
year in there who'd been in year
3 in the Junior School for a

996
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,480
long time.
And I'd have made some math

997
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,640
sheets like I always do, like
maybe 8 questions on a sheet,

998
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,560
going through some fluency, some
varied stuff in there and then

999
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,600
some.
There was some other questions

1000
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,440
towards the end.
But she saw that and she said,

1001
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,200
ah, quick one, what you should
do really, especially lower in

1002
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,400
the school is just chop that
sheet into three, right?

1003
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,120
Just chop it up.
Because obviously I'd come from

1004
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,560
upper school, I'd come from Year
5 and I could just give the kids

1005
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,440
a sheet a whole, most of them
could just get through it and I

1006
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,760
might like adapt and work with
some groups, etcetera.

1007
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,320
But she said it's just different
down in year 3.

1008
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,840
Like if you can do short sharp
bits with the children, right,

1009
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,760
they tend to get through more
because they only see two

1010
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680
questions on the page.
They sit there, they do their

1011
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,840
two questions on.
That's nice.

1012
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,480
Great.
What we're essentially doing

1013
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680
there is shortening the amount
of time that I'm saying to the

1014
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,120
kid, right?
Just be quiet and get on with

1015
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,640
the work.
Yeah.

1016
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,560
Because what that means is after
two questions, the child's put

1017
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,920
their hand up.
I might go and give them some

1018
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,000
instant feedback, take it off,
give them the next chunk of the

1019
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,720
sheet.
So that small, small, small

1020
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:58,480
change of just the exact same
lesson, the exact same sheet,

1021
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,800
but chunked up, was in reaction
to what the children need to get

1022
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,720
the most out of them.
You're pandering essentially to

1023
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120
their attention spans, but not
necessarily in this context of

1024
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,440
this question.
You're doing it as a teaching

1025
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,440
tool.
Precisely.

1026
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,080
And my point here is we've done,
teachers have done that since

1027
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,480
the start of time and it's
always been accepted and always

1028
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,760
been seen as good practise.
So if we are in a situation

1029
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,680
where because of external
factors out of our control, that

1030
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,960
children maybe have shorter
attention spans in general, and

1031
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,760
it's going throughout the school
now and it's getting harder and

1032
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,960
harder, why wouldn't we just
apply those same techniques

1033
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,960
we've been doing for children
who need it to the wider amount

1034
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,400
of children in the class?
I think we should do that.

1035
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,480
I think we should just change
little things where we can do.

1036
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,000
I think we should stop having
expectation of prolonged work,

1037
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,480
maybe in silence.
No, you should still have that

1038
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,320
expectation and still do it and
still try and teach them and

1039
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,080
still get better at it and still
improve it.

1040
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,640
We can't just say we're doing
nothing.

1041
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,240
It's not our fault.
It's out of our control.

1042
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,960
Whatever kids, if you can't put
up with it, well, I've got 15

1043
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,040
kids now who don't get through
the task instead of two that I

1044
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,360
traditionally had because it's
getting worse.

1045
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,720
It doesn't matter that Mark
Zuckerberg's the reason this is

1046
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,320
happening.
It doesn't matter that they're

1047
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,960
they're on Snapchat and they
shouldn't be.

1048
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,400
It doesn't matter.
They're on Instagram Reels,

1049
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,080
scrolling the way, scrolling the
way, scrolling the way.

1050
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,360
It's almost beside the point.
As a teacher, my job is to get

1051
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,760
the most out of them.
So if I can make small changes,

1052
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,400
I do think you should do that as
a teacher.

1053
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,960
I also think fundamentally that
this is down to parenting a lot

1054
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,200
of the time.
And, and again, we have no

1055
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,440
control over that, but what we
can do is to try and influence

1056
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,120
them.
We are closer to being able to

1057
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840
influence parents than we are
being able to influence Meta.

1058
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Yeah.
Yeah, so, so like, OK, we can't

1059
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,320
do that.
It's going to happen.

1060
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,520
Called kids behaviour, kids
attention spans are getting

1061
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,200
shorter, whatever.
But what we can do to a parent

1062
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,640
is I, I had a parent once.
I'm going to tell you this story

1063
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,240
then I'll throw it back over to
you to see what you think about

1064
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,280
this.
A parent who was complaining

1065
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,560
once about the amount of the use
of screens in school.

1066
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,040
Bear in mind we use screens
sparingly, right?

1067
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,280
Maybe honestly, in total, the
kids are maybe on an iPad for 20

1068
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,040
minutes maximum in a day maximum
and it's all education stuff.

1069
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,440
This parent had a problem with
that and we're saying no, I

1070
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,560
didn't know there should be no
screens in school.

1071
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,160
This is ridiculous.
My children are only young ones,

1072
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,600
but they should have no screens
in school.

1073
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,360
They, they let their child watch
children's cartoon programmes at

1074
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,880
home, right?
And I just remember thinking

1075
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,680
like, these aren't equal.
You can't say, oh, well, my

1076
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,760
child's getting an hour of
screen time a week at school.

1077
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,880
This is outrageous.
That's ridiculous.

1078
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Now they're getting 4 hours a
week.

1079
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120
So OK, what's the first thing
that should go?

1080
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,960
If we're just saying screen time
blanketly, what's the first

1081
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,960
thing that should go?
The educational tool app on

1082
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
their screen at school which
they're doing for 15 minutes a

1083
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,880
day which is helping them with
their maths.

1084
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,680
Or some brainwash YouTube video
about a multi coloured duck.

1085
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,280
What do you think?
If you're that worried about

1086
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,360
screen time, it should be 0.
And then the first things you'll

1087
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,040
allow for screen time might be
reading an ebook.

1088
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,680
It might not be what you want
from the children.

1089
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,640
You might want them to pick up a
paper book, but some children

1090
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,720
won't pick up an ebook.
That's good screen time.

1091
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,240
They're getting a diagnostic on
some work at school and their

1092
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,000
teachers going to use that to
help with their lesson.

1093
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,760
That's a great use of screen
time.

1094
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,440
The odd cartoon at home, great.
Enjoy it, it's fun.

1095
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,240
But when you conflate all of
this and you just moan at

1096
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:19,400
schools for using screens?
Blanket, you are not thinking

1097
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,000
this through.
You're not thinking this through

1098
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,800
whatsoever.
And when your child eventually

1099
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,640
needs a dictation app, maybe
because they're struggling with

1100
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,920
their writing and then maybe
they've got dyslexia, are you

1101
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,280
then going to go to the school
that that no screens.

1102
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Thank you very much.
Of course you won't.

1103
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,400
Yeah, my child isn't.
Needs a laptop.

1104
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,880
No screens though.
Exactly.

1105
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,360
Come on.
So yeah, I don't know what you

1106
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,440
think about that.
Like I, I think it's, I've kind

1107
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,320
of went off them and there
again, sorry, but I think that

1108
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,640
it really just frustrates me
because I don't think they're

1109
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,600
equal.
I think attention depends.

1110
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,840
I'll get better.
Do you think then, because you

1111
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,440
seemed shocked when I said yes,
we should change?

1112
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,240
I was at first because I think
the gut guttural reaction to

1113
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,160
people hearing that, I think you
explained it really well and it

1114
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,240
brought me around.
So, but it is that we shouldn't,

1115
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,320
oh, no, we shouldn't be
pandering.

1116
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,680
We shouldn't be pandering to
this.

1117
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,880
But then I was when you were
talking, it was making me think

1118
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,600
a lot of like questions and you
were kind of answering as you

1119
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,800
went.
One of my questions was, no, it

1120
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,440
was good because it was making
me think.

1121
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,440
But one of my questions was,
yeah, what is our what is our

1122
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,160
role as a teacher?
Is it to fight against

1123
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,920
shortening attention spans or is
it to teach children the

1124
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080
curriculum?
And I'm like, well, ultimately,

1125
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,120
by far it's to teach children
the curriculum.

1126
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,040
You might argue there's a small
space for yeah, like a bit of

1127
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,240
cultural social stuff like
screen time and not screen time,

1128
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,840
sorry, the attention span stuff.
But realistically it's it's to

1129
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,480
teach the kids.
And if if me being stubborn

1130
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,120
saying no, I'm not going to
change the way I'm teaching

1131
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,960
because just because their
attention spans have got shorter

1132
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,720
and then like the, the, the
progress is like horrendously

1133
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,360
worse than before.
I don't think that holds up.

1134
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,320
I think then someone will like,
OK, can you, could you have just

1135
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,120
adapted slightly and chunked the
tasks up in three ways and

1136
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,880
pandered a bit to that attention
span?

1137
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Like I know OK, we can have
opinions on it, but ultimately

1138
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,720
they do just need to learn the
curriculum.

1139
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,440
If that helped it, then fine.
You know, like you said, there's

1140
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,680
a wider battle we can all be
part of with parents and culture

1141
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,880
and meta, you know, that we can
have our say in, but ultimately

1142
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,720
as a teacher, like we've got to
teach the kids to quick them so.

1143
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:07,200
And we can, we can know it's
important.

1144
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,520
Like what I'm not saying here
is, ah, so it's futile.

1145
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960
What's the point now?
You can still do that.

1146
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
You can still talk about it.
But where's your sphere of

1147
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,640
influence?
It's not Jeff Bezos.

1148
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,920
It's not, well, mine is yours is
because you have a kind of you

1149
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,560
have a kind of Society of.
But you, you, yeah, that isn't

1150
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,520
your sphere of influence.
Your sphere of influence is your

1151
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,120
is the parents in your
community.

1152
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,560
And you can talk about it.
You can explain yourself, you

1153
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,200
can justify stuff and you can
talk about this is happening in

1154
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,240
our schools, guys, this is
happening.

1155
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,560
What can we do to help?
And some parents are we on bored

1156
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,760
and some parents won't.
Those parents who aren't on

1157
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,000
board and don't help their kids,
do they come into your class and

1158
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
they've not read at all.
Do you just go tough?

1159
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,760
Sorry, Johnny, you're not
reading at all.

1160
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,880
No, you don't.
No, you give them the extra

1161
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,760
support they need.
Yeah.

1162
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,000
You don't complain and say in a
utopia, everyone would be

1163
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,280
reading at home and no, would be
on an algorithm and it would be

1164
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,960
perfect.
It would.

1165
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,960
Of course it would.
But we're not in a utopia.

1166
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,720
We're in the in the real world.
That's why pupil premium funding

1167
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,720
exists, because those children
need some extra support.

1168
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,320
That's why if children aren't
reading at home, they'll get put

1169
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,680
with an adult first in my class,
because I know whether you think

1170
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,240
it's fair or equitable or
whether you're annoyed at it or

1171
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,200
not.
If there's two kids in my class

1172
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,240
and I've only got time for one
reader, I'm going to read with a

1173
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,960
kid who doesn't read at home.
And yeah, I can sit here and go,

1174
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,280
well, you shouldn't.
Should.

1175
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,760
Yeah, you shouldn't.
It.

1176
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,200
You're right, It shouldn't be
the case.

1177
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,120
They're not read at home.
But it is the case.

1178
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,960
And I'm a teacher, so I'm going
to get you to read.

1179
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Same with this kind of thing.
It's annoying that attention

1180
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,160
spans have got shorter.
It's really frustrating, but it

1181
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,840
has.
So do you know what I want to

1182
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,080
get the most out of my kids?
If I can make small changes, I

1183
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,280
think you should.
Yeah, for sure.

1184
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,360
Well, thanks for that.
I feel like we should finish

1185
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,880
with one last question only
because it's so beautifully

1186
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,640
linked, because we've been
talking about parenting and

1187
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,360
parents in general, and this one
is actually from a parent.

1188
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,040
So they said I'm a parent who
listens to your podcast and put

1189
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,280
in brackets.
I know, weird.

1190
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,160
I'd love you to discuss the top
do's and don'ts for interacting

1191
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,600
with teachers.
My son is under Sen support and

1192
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,600
just started secondary.
I'm having to interact with

1193
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,160
various subject teachers, the
form tutor, and the Senko.

1194
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,680
I'm walking the delicate balance
of advocate of advocating for my

1195
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,120
son versus not being a pain in
the backside.

1196
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,680
Cheers.
Yeah, I'm going to say I know I

1197
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,080
knew what you I know exactly and
say when I found one of my words

1198
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,360
advocating so close.
Advocating is one of our red

1199
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,800
words.
Yeah, is one that's fine.

1200
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,640
We're.
Practising at home but that's

1201
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,840
fine.
I've spent too much time on

1202
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,600
TikTok.
Yeah, exactly.

1203
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,840
Your attention span is clearly
so low you couldn't get through.

1204
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,840
4 centuries.
No, I I started thinking about

1205
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:26,360
the multicolor duck, to be
honest.

1206
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,000
With you right, I first of all,
thank you so much to this parent

1207
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,800
for asking such an actually
nice, supportive, good question

1208
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,960
and about being advocating for
their child.

1209
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,640
OK, I'm going to be really blank
and honest here in two ways #1

1210
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,800
as a parent, if your child has
SEND support, you need to

1211
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,120
advocate for them.
You have to be that person.

1212
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,880
And if you ruffle some feathers
or annoy some people, it's a

1213
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,640
small price to pay for getting
what you think your child needs.

1214
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,240
And I'm talking to someone who
worked in the school system for

1215
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:02,360
10 years who I'm going to be
very honest, sometimes was

1216
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,840
ruffled by by some parents.
But you know what?

1217
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,920
It probably made stuff happen
for their kid that might not

1218
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,840
have happened otherwise.
OK, so that is my first thing

1219
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,120
that I'll say.
My second thing that I'll say on

1220
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,520
this is now really advocating
for the teacher.

1221
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,320
I promise you at no point that I
not want to do stuff.

1222
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,240
I promise you at no point in my
career as a teacher did I see a

1223
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,080
child with a need that I didn't
want to fulfil.

1224
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,040
I wanted to do that all of the
time.

1225
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:33,160
But there are so many reasons
why it's so hard #1 funding is

1226
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160
pathetic.
There might be a child who

1227
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
really would benefit from 1:00
to 1:00 support, but there is

1228
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,760
literally no funding for it.
And my school cannot provide it.

1229
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,040
And I cannot give it to you
because there are 32 children in

1230
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,520
the class #2 I have seven
children in the class who have

1231
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:51,000
specific SEND or EHCP needs.
I would, I, I would get upset

1232
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,960
sometimes I would get frustrated
and I would get really annoyed.

1233
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,960
And I've spoken about on the
podcast before that I physically

1234
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,200
could not meet the demands of
all of these legally binding

1235
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,560
documents that these children
deserve.

1236
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,880
That was one of the worst parts
for me as a teacher was when I

1237
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,320
literally knew I could not do
it.

1238
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,000
And I want parents to know, and
I feel like you do from the way

1239
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,800
you just worded this question.
I appreciate you, but please

1240
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,200
understand that schools and
Senkos and teachers and

1241
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,880
budgeters, we are doing what we
can with our hands tied behind

1242
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,120
our back and what we need to do
collectively is get together and

1243
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,480
understand we're all on the same
page.

1244
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,920
There'll be some parents who
push stuff too far and get an

1245
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,040
audit at the school for no
reason.

1246
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,320
There'll be some schools who fob
off parents and don't do things

1247
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,320
they probably can do.
There are bad actors at play

1248
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,160
here.
But for the 99% of adults who

1249
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,280
just want to help their kid and
teachers who just want to help

1250
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,560
the kids, we need to get
together and honestly, you know,

1251
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,760
instead of fighting each other,
turn around and point up.

1252
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,000
Because if an EHCPA legally
binding document says children

1253
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,880
need these eight things that
cost ��30,000 to fund and the

1254
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,160
people at the top are saying,
Yep, cool, sign that off and

1255
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,480
here's 10 grand.
Where do you think we are

1256
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,440
getting that 20,000 lbs from?
Because what ends up happening

1257
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,960
is the school becomes the middle
man has to turn around to the

1258
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,520
parents, say we can't provide
this, and the parent turns

1259
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,960
around and rightfully says you
have to.

1260
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,080
It's the law.
Bicker, bicker, bicker, fight,

1261
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,080
fight backwards and forwards,
backwards and forwards.

1262
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Those people who are more
affluent as parents, maybe, you

1263
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,800
know, pay to fight it and go
against it and have court

1264
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,520
battles and win more often than
not.

1265
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Who loses out?
Well, firstly those people

1266
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,720
because they shouldn't even
spend that money whether they're

1267
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,240
more affluent or not.
But secondly, the lower income

1268
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,600
families of SEND children who
can't afford to fight it, who

1269
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,760
don't get what their child needs
and get really, really angry at

1270
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,680
the school and the system.
I get it.

1271
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,240
I really get it.
And I get why the teachers get

1272
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,440
annoyed as well.
It's an absolute joke.

1273
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,400
I hate it.
We have to fund this properly.

1274
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,400
If there is a legal document
that says children need support,

1275
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,240
there's a reason for that,
because they need the support.

1276
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:54,880
And if we all agree they need
that support, pay for it.

1277
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,240
We can't just pretend it winds
me up so much.

1278
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:00,400
Oh, yeah?
Well, just There you go, guy.

1279
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,720
Isn't this.
This is placating you, parent.

1280
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,720
I've got it written down now
that little Johnny needs this,

1281
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,640
because he does.
So I'll write that down for me.

1282
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,920
Thanks, school.
Fund it.

1283
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,120
It's outrageous.
It winds me up because at the

1284
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,520
end of the day, the reason it
winds me up more than ever is

1285
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,880
because when teachers and
parents and Senkos are

1286
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,360
bickering, bickering, bickering,
bickering, the government are

1287
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,640
laughing who don't fund this
properly and the kids miss out.

1288
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,400
The kids miss out.
And that was what winds me up

1289
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,800
about the system so much.
The kids aren't getting what

1290
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,200
they need.
Winds me up.

1291
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,080
I can tell, sorry, I can tell.
I hope you enjoyed this episode

1292
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,120
so far, guys.
It's very much.

1293
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,440
We said before Dylan was like,
you can ask all the questions

1294
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,560
today.
Turns out me asking questions

1295
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,120
mean I don't talk at all at any
point.

1296
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
So I've been joking.
It's been really interesting.

1297
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:44,200
You're not joking.
Because I could.

1298
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,160
I reckon it's more than 85%
split here.

1299
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,120
I'm going to go back to asking
the.

1300
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,720
Questions Well, yeah, next week
maybe, but finishing off then

1301
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,840
just think just bringing this
back to like a small, smaller,

1302
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,520
like quick answer now, because I
think I think you going off on

1303
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,720
that was a valid point and I
think it's important you said

1304
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,520
it, but the do's and don'ts, I
think the parent, I'm just

1305
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,120
thinking about what the
question, the question I think

1306
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,520
do.
I'm just going to kind of use

1307
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,640
your points though, to be fair.
So like, do do assume that

1308
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,000
teachers actually have the best
the best intentions because you

1309
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,360
know what Dylan said, you know,
my 9 to 9%, it really is 9 to 9%

1310
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,280
because I've honestly never met
a teacher who didn't actually

1311
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,960
have the best intentions for
every single kid in their class.

1312
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,680
And I feel like I'm always
hearing stories that from

1313
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,480
parents perspectives that, oh,
teachers don't care and I'm

1314
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,040
like, well, do you know what?
I've not actually ever seen

1315
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,600
that.
So don't, don't Here's a classic

1316
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,480
one.
Don't get involved if you can in

1317
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,520
those WhatsApp groups where
parents then just spend the

1318
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,880
entire time writing about all
the things they absolutely hate

1319
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,280
about the class, teacher and the
school.

1320
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,920
And everyone just gets into like
a, a pit of, yeah, we're just

1321
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,680
like spitefulness and we hate
this.

1322
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,120
And I, I've seen it too many
times where parents get sucked

1323
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,560
in and then and then I'll come
in and say, teacher, I'm in this

1324
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,160
WhatsApp group and everyone's
saying this is it true?

1325
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,040
And the teacher's like
heartbroken that the people even

1326
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,480
think this.
And it just wouldn't have

1327
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,760
happened if people didn't just
rile each other up in a, in a

1328
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,240
group.
Just, you know, WhatsApp groups

1329
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,080
are just, I'm going to say to
the kids like.

1330
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,520
Join on What's our Community?
Our community is great, but

1331
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,560
what's that group for?
Kids and parents at schools can

1332
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,480
sometimes just be a bit of a
nightmare.

1333
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,640
I'm sure there's some lovely
ones as well, but yeah, 1.

1334
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Cover yourself there.
Yeah, I think ones that called

1335
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,560
teacher repeat.
Podcasts teaching team that they

1336
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,440
can be nothing but good, but
ones that are just designed to

1337
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,560
slag off teachers, I'm like,
they're probably not.

1338
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,840
They're probably not going to be
coming from the right place.

1339
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,400
Like, maybe just trying not to
be involved in that discourse.

1340
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,360
Yeah.
But I can already tell from this

1341
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,520
person, you're clearly already,
it's like ridiculously polite

1342
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,120
because you've even asked,
you've even written this

1343
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,920
question in means you're
obviously going to be thinking

1344
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,760
about everybody else, so I
wouldn't worry.

1345
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,280
She mentioned about like having
to liaise with like 4 different

1346
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,680
people.
That is frustrating.

1347
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,240
Like the Senko, the desistant
head, maybe the school teacher.

1348
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,400
Just try and arrange sometimes.
Schools often arrange meetings

1349
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,240
like this, especially if a child
does have these needs.

1350
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,160
Hopefully, you know, just an
open dialogue and, you know,

1351
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,200
keep at them because we do have
a lot on our plate.

1352
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,000
And it's not an excuse.
It's not a thing to say that I'm

1353
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,080
sorry.
We had a lot on our plate.

1354
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,600
So I couldn't provide you what
your kid needs.

1355
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,160
That's not a good enough excuse.
What it is, though, is a reason

1356
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,160
why something might in your
head.

1357
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,600
What's the top of your list?
Is your kid in your priority

1358
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,320
world?
I've got 32 worlds in my class.

1359
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,720
I've got 32 of them, genuinely.
And imagine that multiplied by

1360
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,000
32.
It's so hard to manage, so a bit

1361
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,400
of understanding.
I think we're human.

1362
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,800
Teachers are human.
I think people forget that

1363
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,120
sometimes.
Don't assume that we're not

1364
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,360
human are.
You not human because you're

1365
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:24,000
quite green?
Well.

1366
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,680
We seem to establish that my
skin colour is the same as my

1367
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,360
green T-shirt in this podcast.
But yeah, do you know, we're

1368
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,280
human and people make mistakes.
I've made mistakes before.

1369
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,280
I can think of a couple of times
where I think, do you know what?

1370
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,400
I just absolutely made the wrong
decision in that time.

1371
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,680
And the parent might have got a
bit annoyed about it, but yeah,

1372
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,280
it's like, OK, I can accept
that.

1373
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,720
And you can apologise to each.
But we're just human beings.

1374
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,720
You can apologise.
I can.

1375
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,920
I've apologised once in my life
in that time, that one time.

1376
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,680
Don't apologise.
Yeah.

1377
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,040
I'll never do it again.
It was.

1378
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,600
It was well.
I'm going to apologise to you

1379
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,880
for monopolising that talk.
Wow, there you go, you heard it

1380
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:53,880
here.
Yeah, I'm not.

1381
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:54,880
I'm not sorry.
He's taking that back.

1382
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,880
He's taking that back, yeah.
But I've really enjoyed that

1383
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,760
episode.
Let us know what you think about

1384
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,280
me being the host.
You said that like you're a

1385
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,000
listener.
Because you know why, Dylan?

1386
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,240
Because I was, I did.
I feel like you got, I think I

1387
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,560
felt like you went as deep as
you've ever been to your own

1388
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,200
life.
Life, attention, experiences and

1389
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,120
stuff.
There's more to come.

1390
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,880
Yeah, Really, this is like a
therapy session.

1391
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,200
Maybe you should become a
therapist.

1392
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,000
I think I should, yeah.
Yeah, I did a pretty good job.

1393
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,240
It didn't anything to say before
we finish.

1394
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,360
But don't throw it back on me.
I'm gonna sorry.

1395
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,280
I'm the host today.
So yeah, I hope you've enjoyed

1396
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,440
listening, guys.
Don't forget to what's the

1397
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,080
things you normally do?
I'm not going to say follow us

1398
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,960
on Snapchat.
Is that how we do it normally?

1399
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,240
Jesus.
Yeah, honestly, follow us on

1400
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Instagram, join our WhatsApp
community.

1401
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,040
You can get priority access to
the questions and answers.

1402
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
As you hopefully have seen.
I beautifully read them out

1403
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,120
today to Dylan, which is
flipping the script a little

1404
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,600
bit.
Dylan, anything to finish up on?

1405
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,120
Yeah, don't look a full moon in
the face.

1406
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Brilliant.
See ya.