Q&A Special: Our Teaching 'Philosophy', Inclusive Classrooms & Parental Communication

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to a bonus episode of Teach

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Sleep Repeat Q&A Special.
Hayden, how you doing?

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I'm good.
I've done this in a while I.

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Know right well, I on Instagram
asked for some questions and we

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duly got people ask us a bunch
of questions and I think they're

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really good and I really want to
ask them We were planning on

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doing it in the main podcast,
but you know we're like nata

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nata Nata we filled up the whole
time.

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So instead of having a three
hour long podcast episode this

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week, we're just going to do a
little bite sized one now,

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releasing it halfway through the
week and you might hear your

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question if you and if you
didn't, well, you're here for

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the ride anyway, because I can
tell you now there is an

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eclectic mix of questions, isn't
it between serious fun and just

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a bit.
I always.

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Get a bit nervous when I've not
seen them and I think.

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That's my favourite thing, I
must say.

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So should we crack straight?
On yeah, yeah, OK.

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So this one is the first one
because context on Instagram

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when I asked for these
questions, I also put a picture

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of you and I when we did our
Christmas photo shoot as a joke.

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We were decorating the tree and
things like that.

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And I said, here's a Christmas
picture of a bonus for thank you

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for questions.
And the first one we got was

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from the slowest Diaries.
This is from Beth.

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She's a a listener.
What's the word when someone

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listens frequently?
A frequent, a frequent avid

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listener.
Yeah.

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And she I love hearing her
feedback from from, from our

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podcast episode.
So keep it up, Beth.

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I really like reading it.
She asked us.

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Oh, Speaking of Christmas, what
is your best and worst Christmas

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parties that you've ever had at
work?

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That's cool.
Got a worst dumpster?

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I'm gonna come to worst
afterwards.

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Best Christmas party, very vain
I know has been when we have

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just got together as a staff
team at our school.

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We've used our own school hall.
Everyone's brought in some food,

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so we've made a massive buffet
of food.

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It's so cool.
We've not gone to like

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restaurant.
We've just literally brought it

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all in and then mean you have
hosted, hosted a staff quiz.

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And the reason that it's not
because we're hosting the quiz,

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the reason I love it is because
we just take the Mick.

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We have a laugh like the quiz is
not serious.

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Isn't that we?
Yeah.

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Because someone listening, I
think quiz, that sounds

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horrendous, we do.
Stupid prizes, stupid rounds.

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We have a bit of fun.
There's always some sort of

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sports round where we have to
make something, do something

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silly.
We had one where we where we

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have to eat a mint pie as quick
as you can, like just stupid

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things like that.
And we just get together as a

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staff team generally have a
laugh like we might.

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Then there's.
Always a music round isn't there

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just but it was basically.
And then we all bring a bit of

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alcohol.
Do you know what I mean?

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People that drink are just
having a beer, having a wine.

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And then it inevitably ends up
at the pub after, so it is nice

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and it saves money as well.
And that one year we did the one

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my favourite ones where we went,
we did some karaoke afterwards.

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We went to a pub, like a local
pub afterwards as a staff team

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and we did some karaoke.
And it was just generally a

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really, really good time.
Worst Christmas party that I can

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think of is I can't remember
where it was, but we went to we

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went to a venue.
It was one of those venues where

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there's like 50 other like
workplaces, workplaces all there

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and you're not even in like a
separate room.

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It was just.
You just have your big table and

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then right next to you is the.
Local plumbing The local

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plumbing team.
And they're, and they're,

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they're just, you know, causing
a ruckus.

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And I'm just like, I just, it
doesn't feel.

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Intimate is it?
Intimate.

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Yeah, I don't really enjoy that.
I agree.

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I don't when when you do those
big venues, it's a really nice

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idea.
And quite often, depending on

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where they're set, they can be
done really nicely.

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If there's not literally like 60
other groups of people and the

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music's crap and quite often the
food's bad because they're

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feeding hundreds of people at
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It's not great.
It's not like a restaurant.

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It's just like a
run-of-the-mill, like huge

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cooking.
I don't know.

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It's just, it wasn't great, but
I think they can be done well.

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But in general, yeah, I just, I
just want an excuse basically

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for a good Christmas party.
You want an excuse just to see

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your teacher mates?
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Have a good time, let your hair
down, have a natter, have a

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laugh.
Go to the pub if you want to

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after.
But also I think it's important

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genuinely that you can slip off
at any time.

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Yeah, if.
You go into a big event, you

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can't, you know you're getting
tired, you've got kids at home.

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You can't just nip off after an
hour.

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Or you're in your suit, you just
you rented your tuxedo for the

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night.
Exactly use that, but when it

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like when you're just doing the
school hall or the pub or

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something at any point you'd be
like right, got a nip off.

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Lovely to see you all.
You're accommodating for more

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people I think in that in that
respect.

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So yeah, no, I agree.
Good question.

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Definitely.
It was a great question.

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More hit me next one a bit more
on the serious teaching side

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now.
I thought this was a really

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interesting question.
This from Simon, the inclusion

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teacher and it is about
inclusion as a teacher.

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What, what do you think are the
essential features of

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neuroaffirming practise that
should be present in the

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classroom?
And just to clarify for anyone

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listening to that thinking, what
exactly do you mean by this?

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I think Simon means you have
children in your classroom,

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Neurodivergent, ASD, ADHD, etc,
whatever it might be.

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What as a teacher can you have
control of in the classroom that

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is neuro affirming?
Which isn't trying to make them

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fit a square box if they don't
fit, but it's just allowing them

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to be themselves and and
basically it's inclusion.

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Accommodating for all all, all
neuro Yeah, I'm going to try

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and.
Divergences.

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Neuro divergences, that's a real
rule.

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Yeah, sure is.
I think there are some easy

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things you can do like even.
I don't think it I'm going to

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start with this.
I don't think you need to like

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necessarily know, oh, I've got,
I've got this child with this

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particular thing and so I have
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them.
I think you can, obviously

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that's good, but I think you can
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practise where it's just, it's
going to fit everyone in your

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classroom anyway.
For example, having, having the

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visual display, right?
It doesn't matter if you know,

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or I've definitely got this
child who's diagnosed with ASD

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and they specifically have told
me they like the visual display.

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You can just have it there
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some children in your class who
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And, and also there's, there's
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are undiagnosed as well with
certain neurodiversities, right?

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You can just be accommodating,
assuming that there are children

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that might benefit.
Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah.
I think you really, really

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sounded then like you were like,
I don't need to know what

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individual people.
No, no, it's good to know but

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what I'm trying to say.
You should still know and should

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still put things in place
individually.

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I'm trying to say the opposite.
If you if you go, oh, I've got

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no one in my class who's been
diagnosed with sure anything.

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So I don't need to do any of
this stuff.

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Yeah, I don't think you should
do that.

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I think you should just always
have a few things.

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Yeah, that you do.
Can you think of like?

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Yeah, well, visual timetables,
easy win.

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I think for me it's attitude.
It's a big part of it is

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attitude where you can become a
bit more old school teaching

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where you're just like, you
know, I can imagine me earlier

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in my career saying something
like look at me when I'm talking

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to you, please.
That's just polite to look at

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someone.
You talk to you straight away.

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Eye contacts really difficult
for some children and the fact

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they're not looking at you is
okay.

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And it's about being
accommodating, I think.

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And there will be some children
in your class and this is the

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whole thing.
I think it's between, oh, but

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they're getting more, they're
getting more allowances.

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That's not fair.
OK, We talked about before

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what's fair and what's
equitable.

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Someone might need more than you
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There might be a child in your
class who genuinely does need to

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not do work for 5 minutes
because they need to calm down

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or they've got themselves in a
rut that let them do that.

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Having an attitude as a teacher
where you're not forcing them.

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No, no, you need to communicate
me in this way.

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I need to see everyone's hand
up, please, right now, and I'm

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going to pick someone at random
and you're going to talk in

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front of the whole class.
It's just being nuanced about

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about it.
There are some children as a

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teacher waiting about no, no,
come on, I need an answer from

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you.
And that's perfectly acceptable.

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But as a teacher, you need to be
aware of the fact that some

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children where a communication
from them might be holding up

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the whiteboard.
Communication from them might be

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in fact you going to go to them
later on and find out what they

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know 1 to one in a much quieter
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They might need to have
something in place where they're

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wearing air defenders, for
example, because it's just

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simply too overwhelmingly
stimulating for them.

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And it's just having that
neuroaffirmation in the

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classroom.
It's it's an attitude as well, I

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think.
And that's the easy way for a

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teacher.
We need to know all the nuts and

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bolts.
Of course, we need to know

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exactly what each child needs.
And that's something we can't

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really advise on.
But what we can advise on all

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teachers what you're saying a
bit more on the macro level,

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just be a bit understand.
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Just be just be aware that that
there could be other things

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going on that you don't
understand yet.

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Like don't.
I think what a bad teacher can

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do is just automatically assume
every child is being rude when I

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don't give you the exact
response that you want to the

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way you've done something in the
classroom.

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Like maybe maybe they're not
being rude, maybe there's

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something else going on and you
should probably just consider it

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before your reaction.
I mean, I always remember just

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one quick story.
I was remember a long, long time

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ago, and this is before I'd
really, I guess, understood

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this.
I wasn't very experienced at

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this point, but I expected an
answer.

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I was in that stage of thinking,
right?

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I've been told that everyone
needs to interact with my class.

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So I'm going to start just
picking them out at random.

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If they don't give me an answer,
they're going to, you know,

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there's some sort of consequence
that's wrong consequence.

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And I look back at that and
cringe, right.

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And, and, and, and I've sort of
got this boy to answer a

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question who never normally puts
his hand on.

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There's me thinking, Oh, he's
just, he's not getting involved

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being rude.
And and it really upset him.

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It really upset this boy that
I'd like put him on the spot.

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And I spoke to him after and
I'll never forget it because I

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felt awful that I've done this.
Cause really I was doing it not

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from the right place.
I was doing it from the place of

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like, it's almost like
statistics.

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I must get all of the children
being robots and they're all

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interacting at least 8% of the
lesson.

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And then I know I'm doing the a
good job.

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And actually that kid, I never,
ever, ever did that to that kid

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again.
And you know what, they learned

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loads and they were fine and
they were a passive learner.

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They never put their hand up in
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that was, you know, I was
affirming there.

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Oh, that's that's a
controversial thing to say.

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I completely agree with you.
Yeah, it's a controversial thing

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to say in teaching that someone
doesn't have to input lots into

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a lesson to be a learner.
And it's OK.

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And I've noticed myself, I've
shifted what I say at parents

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evening and stuff.
Now.

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I used to say, Oh yeah, she's a
very quiet girl, quite reserved,

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naturally, you know, just she
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Well, instead now I say
something like she's fantastic

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at learning independently.
Yeah, she's brilliant at just

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cracking on and understanding
something.

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She's fantastic.
I often say things like passive

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and active as well.
Yeah, yeah, because it's not a

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problem.
I don't think it's bad to be.

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Yeah, quite a passive.
Thing has a has a negative

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connotation.
Someone hears passive learner.

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Sometimes they think, oh, that's
bad, yeah.

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They're not paying attention.
Yeah.

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No, no, no.
They're just, you know.

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They learn actively saying
that's different and it's OK to

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be different.
Yeah, you're right.

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It's quite robotic when you
learn teaching because it's got

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to fit into the box and it's
easy to teach someone robotic

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rules like you've been saying.
I think this comes with

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experience, by the way.
It's a really good question, by

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the way.
I think this is the kind of

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thing that you get with like a
lot of people get of experience,

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yeah.
And I think when you have the.

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Children in your class, haven't
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You react to them and learn from
them and say, oh actually OK,

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I'm going to do this better next
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There are tonnes of different
types of people and actually I

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can't just have this one size
that fits all and I constantly

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have to adapt to the way I
interact with people based on

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quickly how I'm picking up, you
know, how they're.

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I still struggle that with
adults, my children.

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That's hard, right?
Next question.

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Great question, by the way,
Simon, Thank you.

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Next question from Laura Nick.
She says, how can we actually

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cope with the autumn term when
it's dark and miserable and you

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get up in the morning and you go
to school and it's dark and you

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finish your day of teaching and
it's dark and miserable?

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It sounds like it's like.
Haha, yeah.

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But you know what?
It's like seasonal depression is

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a thing.
Yeah.

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Like, what would be your advice
to people who just really

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struggle with that?
I think you and I struggle with.

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It as I say, firstly, I'm not
here to give you a quick answer

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because I struggle with this as
well.

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I don't know.
I don't know.

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Yeah, I honestly.
What do you do every year?

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Because I know for example you,
I actually think you have a bit

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of seasonal question.
I'm feeling it right now.

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Because it it has an impact on a
lot of people.

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What do you do?
Do you just have to go and bear

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it?
Do you have strategies?

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You just gotta get do you know
what I do?

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Actually, Yeah.
On on those kind of days, I find

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myself going outside to break
time, lunchtime a lot more.

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I just get outside, honestly,
just get outside, get in the

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sun, go for a walk and literally
just get out there.

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Yeah, I do that.
I do that way more often.

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I don't think I even necessarily
think about it, but I definitely

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do that.
And at the weekends as well,

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I'll make make sure I go out
more than I would normally

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because I'm quite a hermit.
Yeah, and I don't mind doing

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that in the summer.
Because if you spend one weekend

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indoors, that's almost two weeks
then where you actually might

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not get much sunlight.
And that's that's going to have

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an effect on you just get
outside.

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Yeah.
I don't think I have too much

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more to say in terms of just
like almost sympathy like.

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It is it is a slog.
Yeah.

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It's a slog.
And again, people just I know

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there's lots of people who
outside of teaching who look in

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and say you get your holiday, I
work hard.

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Yeah.
Do you know what?

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You might also suffer from this.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm not.
This isn't me saying how awful

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this.
This is the thing that a lot

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most people have and I think
it's a thing.

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And do you know what I, I, I'm
trying to think now if, when you

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change the clocks, so in autumn,
if it goes back, right?

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So when it was like 7:00 AM,
it's now 6:00 AM.

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And then in the evenings, it
draws in your nights so more

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quickly.
So if it was, let's say the sun

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was setting at 5I dread the
clock's going back because now

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the sun's setting at 4:00.
And that jump, it really has an

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effect where I can kind of feel
like before and after and then,

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you know, after the clocks go
back, which I think is imminent.

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Cool winter setting.
Now I've got to get through

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this.
Yeah, it's winter now.

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It's gonna be, it's gonna be
annoying.

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It's gonna be tough.
But yeah.

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Do you know what?
When they start getting lighter

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again, doesn't that feel
amazing?

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Yeah, oh God, yeah, Absolutely.
Just needs to last longer.

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Yeah, exactly.
So get outside basically.

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I know it's raining and grim
not.

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The best advice but then.
No, no, it's good.

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Next one from Wilks J Thank you,
Wilks.

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I think that's your second name.
This is linked with the main

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podcast, Online Parental
Communication, specifically

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online emails, etc.
We talked about how face to face

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is really important.
You can get to the point even on

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the phone.
I guess it's like a middle

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ground here.
Yes or no?

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Big no.
Big no.

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Straight no.
So you don't think?

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Let's clarify.
You don't think at any point,

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ever, a teacher should be
emailing a parent?

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Yep.
Wow.

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Yeah, absolutely not.
So not even there's no nuance

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like earlier when you're like,
OK, obviously because I think

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again, full transparency in our
school, it's very much

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controlled.
It goes through the office.

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The office will get in touch
with us.

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I think that's a really good way
of doing it.

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There have been times where I
have just emailed a parent back

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because I thought in this
instance, this is much easier.

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It's going to take me 3 minutes
to send this e-mail.

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It's going to clarify something
nice and quickly.

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We could have gotten to arrange
the meeting.

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I could try and catch you, but
you don't often pick up because

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you've got work and then you
could go to club right now.

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In this case, I'm just going to
e-mail you back.

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You don't set a precedent like
you said, but there are moments

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where I'm just like short.
Moment up to individual.

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Do you know what that's fine.
I wouldn't get annoyed at you if

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I was a leader of you doing
that.

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But I absolutely would make it
very, very, very clear as a

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leader that the rule of this
school is parents do not e-mail

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you directly and you aren't
absolutely never expected to be

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on the back.
So, OK, so you're a teacher now

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in a school where the leader,
for whatever reason, has not

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made that clear.
There's a different policy where

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emails are on the school website
quite often.

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Still see that?
In some schools directly.

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So parents can literally go to
the and it's it's accepted

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because it's on the school
website.

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So you're a teacher in that
school.

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What would your advice be to
someone?

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We've spoken to someone recently
who literally knows this is a

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bad thing to do, but has them on
their phone.

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So work emails on their phone
pinging through.

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You can end up there at 7:00.
It's just easier for me to do

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this at 7:00 PM because I don't
have to think about it.

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What would you say to them?
Who when they got I know, I

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know, but it's just easier for
me to do this.

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But you're there going Nah,
don't do it.

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What would you say?
To two things, number one,

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please, if you're in that
situation, I've been there

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before.
By the way, I know that

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sometimes the school policy does
mean you just have to do it

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because that's your school.
You can't just be like, no, I'm

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not.
I'm the only teachers not doing

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this.
You look, you look bad.

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Please, please, please set up a
work hours thing on your e-mail

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one.
Don't put it on your phone

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anyway if you can avoid it, just
don't do that.

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I took it off my phone years and
years and.

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Years it was the best.
Never.

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I did as well.
Never looked back.

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Secondly, set up an out of out
of hours e-mail.

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It's extremely commonplace and
normal for that to happen in

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every profession ever.
I don't think that you're

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suddenly now have to Marty
yourself and your time.

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Just set up an out of hours work
time.

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Whatever your boundaries are.
If you don't want to answer

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emails after 5:00 PM, that's the
boundary you've set.

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Okay, a thing, an automated
thing comes up on your e-mail

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that says I'm not in the office.
I'll be back so and so time and

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I'll try to get back to you
within, I don't know, 48 hours,

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whatever you want to set, but
set that boundary and stick to

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it.
Whether it's your work policy or

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not to have that out of hours
e-mail automated thing there or

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not, do it because it's not a
bad thing.

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And then if something comes of
that where maybe someone in

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management, it says to you, oh,
you've got this out of hours

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message, is that acceptable?
At that point you can honestly

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be like, yes, of course it is.
Yeah.

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You are literally at this point
saying to me I should be

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answering emails at 7:00 PM.
Yeah, that's clearly out of

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directed time.
It's clearly unreasonable at

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that point.
I know we talked about saying

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no, but in the podcast there,
yeah, your no, but there could

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be no.
But I still have it on my phone

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and I'm still going to e-mail,
you know, I.

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Do in my head to make me feel
better every single time is I

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think of any other public sector
sure.

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Or literally any job ever.
Can you message your nurse?

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Yeah.
Can I message my doctor?

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Can I message the can I e-mail
the police officer that I've

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sure like the specific like you
know if you.

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Had A and expect it immediately
and.

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Expect them to reply at 8:00 PM?
Absolutely not.

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Of course I wouldn't and I
wouldn't even expect it.

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Can I e-mail the company that I
just bought something from at

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8:00 PM and expect to reply?
No, they'll reply to me and the

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next working day, maybe even the
next one.

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I don't know and that's normal.
Same to teachers.

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I agree.
I agree completely.

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So parents know that they don't
expect it.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And do you know what?
I don't think many do.

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Maybe odd to do, and they might
be.

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Troublesome only if you've set a
precedent, I reckon.

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Already, But also at that point
you've just got to, you know,

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back up your staff as well as a
whole school and have a really

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clear policy and that's really
important.

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Nice.
Good question, Good question.

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Cool.
Next question from Cotardios.

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I loved this question because
it's very much specific to us

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and I want an answer.
I want a specific answer.

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Is it worth going part time?
We can expand on that, but I

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want a specific answer to this
part.

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What's the best ratio nought .1
to 1.0?

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What is the best ratio for going
part time?

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Look, it's a that's a very
nuanced, difficult question to

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answer.
And that's why I asked him

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maybe.
Yeah, give me a 10 second

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answer.
You get in trouble with certain.

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People going part time is great
for everyone.

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Going part time is obviously
objectively nice.

454
00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,760
It's good for your time and
well-being.

455
00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,400
Definitely noticed a huge
improvement in well-being.

456
00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,200
Well, for the context, we went
to nought .6.

457
00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,920
Well, nought .3 days a week,
three days a week.

458
00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,360
I think the perfect ratio is
nought .6.

459
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,480
Do you think?
Yeah, I really do.

460
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,599
I think if you, if you need to
go lower than there's probably a

461
00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:06,599
good reason.
If you're going down to like

462
00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,520
naughty .4 or something like
that, there's probably a reason,

463
00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,960
right?
Family commitment, maybe you've,

464
00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:12,520
I don't know, whatever, but like
no point.

465
00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,200
That's quite a low amount.
That's less than half three days

466
00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,319
a week or even nought .8.
I would say nought. .8 is quite

467
00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,560
common, yeah.
Nought .6 to nought .8 I think

468
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,240
is the sweet spot of you kind of
get rid of that top end bit that

469
00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,960
like gets you, makes you feel
burnt out all the time.

470
00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,080
Sure, you get that.
Getting that day back in two

471
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,880
days is particularly nice, is
like a really nice way to

472
00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,000
maintain your sanity.
The pay is obviously a huge

473
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,120
factor and I think there's no
point in even talking about that

474
00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:38,840
because everyone's life is
different depending on pay.

475
00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,800
Like I can't, I can't assume
that we're all in the same

476
00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,520
positions.
No, So you need to factor that

477
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,400
in yourself.
But you don't.

478
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,520
We've talked about a million
times you don't lose 40% of your

479
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,920
pay by losing 40% of your time
because of tax etcetera.

480
00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,200
Exactly.
You lose about 25% of your pay

481
00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,120
for. 40% of your.
Time.

482
00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,840
Exactly.
So it's, you know, if you can

483
00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,800
afford that, it's actually a
good deal, yeah.

484
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,640
I'd say.
I want to challenge you a little

485
00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,040
bit because I think going part
time's awesome and I think that

486
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,520
in terms of literal burnout of
standing there for 10 hours

487
00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,120
during the day, delivering
lessons and stuff, I don't think

488
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,000
going to naughty .8 or naughty
.6 remotely affects your mental

489
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,960
capacity and your mental
burnout.

490
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,640
I really don't because I think
you still got to, you still got

491
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,840
to know all the international
class.

492
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,120
We've talked about inclusion
earlier.

493
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,160
You don't have to suddenly know
60% of the HCPS in your class.

494
00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,640
You don't have to suddenly get
60% of your children to be

495
00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,920
expected standard.
All of that kind of mental load

496
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,400
and exhaustion and knowing the
progress of children, you start

497
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,200
to know what they're learning on
those days because then you're

498
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,240
going to pick up on it.
You start to be completely

499
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,760
involved in a planning process.
You might not have to plan not

500
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,800
as many lessons, but that mental
capacity, it doesn't budget.

501
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,240
And I think the way I kind of
change the answer to your

502
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,120
question slightly and I'm
interested to see what you think

503
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,040
is I think going part time is
worth it.

504
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,640
If it's not those things that
are burning you out and you

505
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,320
resent.
If it's those things that are

506
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,200
burning you out and you're
resentful for it and constantly

507
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,040
thinking about your children and
how they're going to progress,

508
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,560
that's not going to change much.
If if in fact you've got

509
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,080
something else you want to do in
those two days, for example,

510
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,240
spend the day with your child,
it's incredibly impactful and

511
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,720
you should immediately do it if
you can.

512
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,560
The amount of people I've had
who've told me they've gone

513
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,880
nought .8 and they've got a next
day of their child and it's

514
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,680
transformed them and it's it's
been the best thing they've ever

515
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,760
done compared to I've seen
people go to naughty .4 and do

516
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,800
two days a week and they're
going do you know what?

517
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,440
This hasn't fixed my issues.
I still I just don't want to do

518
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,400
this job anymore.
And it didn't work for them.

519
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,000
They just got less money and
they had to either go back full

520
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,960
time or more likely leave the
profession.

521
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:38,240
So I think going part time is
worth it if it fits the reasons

522
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,720
why you want to reduce your
time.

523
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,400
You're absolutely.
Right, in terms of it does take

524
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,120
up your whole mind still, I
still think of my class just

525
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:47,040
like I did when I was full time.
That does not change.

526
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,240
I still think of my I don't
think of 60% of the kids and the

527
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,920
40% like, well, you didn't get
chosen.

528
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,720
I'm a part time baby.
You don't get you don't get any

529
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,400
of my thoughts.
Face you.

530
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,240
Get seasons that you're marking,
yeah.

531
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,440
But what does happen is, and
this is the sweet spot, that's

532
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,720
what I want everyone to savour
that's thinking about going part

533
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,840
time is, you know that feeling
when you get home after

534
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,840
basically any day at school and
you're and you're totally

535
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,600
drained, right?
Your mind and body is drained

536
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,440
because you're standing on your
feet all day talking for six

537
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,040
hours.
And you know a loud volume as

538
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,880
well.
You're not even just like

539
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,200
mumbling that feeling of like
proper drained exhaustion.

540
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:22,680
You only get that three days a
week, not 5.

541
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,320
As simple as that.
Honestly.

542
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,360
Like there are just there are
just more days of the week now

543
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:30,040
where I finish my day not
feeling totally drained and

544
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,760
dead.
Well, we can literally attest to

545
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,240
this because we've had different
jobs and also we literally work

546
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,120
on Thursday, Friday, we we
literally do a work day, right?

547
00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:39,920
It's at the computer a lot of
the time.

548
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,000
We're doing a lot of, you know,
planning and sorting stuff out,

549
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,800
etcetera.
Podcasting, nowhere near as

550
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,080
exhausted at the end of it.
And that's still a day of work.

551
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,840
So you're absolutely right in
terms of that physical

552
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,840
exhaustion.
Yeah, it's great.

553
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,880
It did transform it because I
used to get by the end of time,

554
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,280
I was on my on my last leg.
I couldn't possibly, I think

555
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,640
that's the same last leg.
I, I couldn't, I couldn't go any

556
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,280
further.
Yeah.

557
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,680
Now I'm still tired at the end
of this eight week term nearly,

558
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,760
but nowhere near what it would
have been otherwise. 100% it's

559
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,280
the recoup time.
Next question Kate languages

560
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,520
came on our podcast.
I'm thinking I don't know a bit

561
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,000
of an exclusive anyone we might
be going on that podcast at some

562
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000
point.
Very exciting.

563
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,520
Did you ever seriously
contemplate any other careers

564
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,160
before becoming teachers?
So was there a point where you

565
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,200
really seriously, not just when
I was younger, I think I want to

566
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,960
be a surgeon one day I want to
be a doctor.

567
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,160
Did you ever seriously consider
doing something?

568
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,080
Yeah, big time.
And I still consider it as

569
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,280
something where I'm like, God,
did I die?

570
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,760
I often think, should I have
just pursued it as media?

571
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,200
I really, really, really wanted
to get into media.

572
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,280
So what, for context, your
degree was in media, right?

573
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,840
Yeah.
You ended up doing a PGC in

574
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,400
teaching.
Yeah.

575
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,560
So in that interim bit where
you've done your degree or

576
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,160
finishing your degree and
deciding to do PGC, what what

577
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,280
happened?
Like what was the story?

578
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,080
Were you literally close to?
Just, I mean, I worked for a

579
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,160
little a local production
company for ages anyway and

580
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,960
literally just helping on little
shoots throughout university.

581
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:00,280
Yeah, for the last year of
university and, and through that

582
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,480
year, that gap year, like
basically like gap year a year

583
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,280
between university and deciding
to do teaching.

584
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,680
I worked for this production
company and I also tried to go

585
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,600
tried to get into like a
production company in London

586
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,040
because I liked editing.
Editing was the thing I think I

587
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,560
enjoyed the most.
I was like, I really want to be

588
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,800
there, like putting all these
clips together for ATV show or

589
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,320
for a film, editing it all
together and like making that

590
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,080
magic happen.
Like that's what I really wanted

591
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,080
to do.
And I think I was just too

592
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,360
young.
I was a bit too young, a bit too

593
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:25,840
inexperienced.
Did you not want to go to

594
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,960
London?
I didn't.

595
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,520
I really didn't want to go to
London that massively.

596
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,160
Put big, big travelling.
I get very, very bored very

597
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,720
quickly and travelling.
You not have lived there.

598
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,200
No, I wouldn't want to live
there.

599
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,040
I was, you know, maybe if it was
me now and my life was very

600
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,440
different, right?
Let's say I didn't I wasn't in

601
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,880
this situation and I was just
ten years on, right.

602
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,400
I'd probably be more confident
now to then be like, yeah,

603
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,840
actually do you know what?
I'm going to make something of

604
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,160
it.
But yeah, I really, really like

605
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,280
and I still kind of dream of I
really want to be involved in

606
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,960
like TV or film someday.
I really do.

607
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,800
I want to I want to have, I want
to do a kids programme or I want

608
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,720
to write a kids book or or, you
know, something like I can marry

609
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,680
it now to teaching.
I can I can imagine myself

610
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,320
writing ATV show one day.
That's about teaching or for

611
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080
kids, you know.
Yeah, or on a podcast, some kind

612
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,240
of educational podcast.
Podcast you can edit everywhere

613
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,960
because you love editing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,560
But you can see why there's kind
of a born.

615
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,760
It makes sense.
Yeah, yeah, 100 percent, 100%.

616
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,800
And there is something magical
about I I see teaching as

617
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,640
entertainment as well.
I really see them as intertwined

618
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,640
massively, and it's putting on
an act.

619
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,800
And again, did I ever seriously
contemplate a different career?

620
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,760
I guess not in a way where I
tangibly went about doing

621
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,160
something about it.
You know, I like I mentioned, I

622
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,120
think recently in a podcast I
had experience in a head

623
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:39,720
hunting.
Company in London, but did you

624
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,480
contemplate?
No, I didn't really contemplate.

625
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,720
You know, I contemplated in
that.

626
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,280
I went there and I tried it.
But that's contemplation.

627
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,920
I went to the day of, you know,
the training and stuff.

628
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,040
But it's because I was a
graduate and I went for a.

629
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,440
Graduate.
Was it an aspiration of yours?

630
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,000
Wasn't an aspiration of mine
genuinely an aspiration of mine.

631
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,240
Still is.
To spread joy, spread

632
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,200
entertainment.
You know, I love same as you.

633
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040
I love the idea of television.
I love the idea of media like

634
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,480
this.
Yeah.

635
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,400
Yeah.
Spreading out content, making

636
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,120
people laugh, having
conversations like this.

637
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,520
You know, this is the stuff I I
relish.

638
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,960
I love chatting with my friends
about things and just, you know,

639
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280
not having an argument, but like
a debate about stuff and putting

640
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,560
stuff out there.
And I love hearing other

641
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,800
people's point of views about
things.

642
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,600
But yeah, you know, ultimately
I'm just imagine, imagine a

643
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,920
situation where, you know,
you've written a kids book.

644
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,840
That's insane to me.
Yeah.

645
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Yeah.
And having done teaching for 10

646
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,120
years now, I feel like I kind of
know what kids think is funny

647
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,960
and what they enjoying, what
they want to pick up and read.

648
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,480
And I know I can make it a good
text as well because I know what

649
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,000
the children need to see and
have it modelled.

650
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,600
It's often the thing that when I
I did about you, when I go to

651
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,160
bed, it's often my reflection
time.

652
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,960
I'm just laying down a few
moments before you fall asleep.

653
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,480
I'm often thinking and I'll ask
myself big questions like what

654
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,160
do I want to achieve?
Like what do I really want?

655
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,720
Am I still working towards my
goals?

656
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,800
That's the kind of things I
think about.

657
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,440
Do you think right now you're
working towards your goals?

658
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,240
I think I'm in a bit of a weird
limbo right now.

659
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,120
I really do.
I think I'm in a weird place.

660
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,800
I struggle with it because I'm,
you've mentioned this, it's a

661
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,040
lot of the time where you've
kind of summarised my attitude

662
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,720
for me and I'm like, you're
absolutely right.

663
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,160
Because I do have the attitude
of you've got to make stuff

664
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,360
happen.
You've got to make stuff happen

665
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,880
though, and someone's got to do
it.

666
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,120
So why not you?
That kind of thing of you know,

667
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,880
and again, I'm not, I don't, I
don't actually like going on and

668
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560
on about the, the meme is that
I've been on the TV and stuff

669
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,160
and I've done quiz shows.
I love quiz shows, I love

670
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,600
quizzes.
I've always been obsessed with

671
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,280
them growing up and people are
like wow, you are so lucky to go

672
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,680
on that, weren't you?
And I'm like, do you know what

673
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,600
it was?
I was lucky.

674
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,040
There were like 40-50 thousand
people applied to go on.

675
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,600
Who wants to be a millionaire?
I think 40 got on that.

676
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,240
That is luck isn't it?
You're right.

677
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,760
But you know, I did apply 7
times to that show.

678
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,520
I did put hours and hours into
just ploughing into, you know,

679
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,880
an application process.
I did Zoom calls and I was

680
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,800
unsuccessful.
You know, you've got to make it

681
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,480
happen.
Still someone who's never ever

682
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,280
attempted anything.
I had a conversation with

683
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,080
someone I was quite close with
at work who talked about it and

684
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,800
they were almost envious.
They were like, bloody you

685
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,160
bloody lucky.
That question.

686
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,520
I knew that question on that
show.

687
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000
And they were just like a bit
annoyed, but joking as well.

688
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560
And I was a bit like, yeah.
Did you apply?

689
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,160
No.
OK, well, there you go.

690
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,240
You know, you want to make it.
You want to do a kids book.

691
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,400
Have you sat down and tried to
tried to start writing a kids

692
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,720
book yet?
Well, no, because it's too

693
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,240
tricky.
Well, that's going to be partly

694
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,080
OK.
You're never going to make a

695
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,760
kids book then, are you?
If you haven't sat down and

696
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,920
tried to at least outline
something and failed at it, you

697
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,640
can't then be annoyed when
someone else does it or sit

698
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,800
there.
The worst thing you can do is

699
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,920
sit there and go, oh bloody
hell, these people.

700
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000
That's, that's rubbish.
What a rubbish idea.

701
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,360
I could have done that.
I could have done that better.

702
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,040
It's like, well, you didn't, he
didn't know, did you?

703
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,200
He didn't do it better.
And if you could have, you're

704
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,160
even more of a mug.
It's very similar to like when

705
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,000
people talk about modern art,
when people look at modern art

706
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,360
like the really modern art, and
they look at them like they'll

707
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:42,920
be lying on.
AI could have put that toilet I.

708
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,680
Could have done that.
It's like, did you though?

709
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,800
Do you know what?
Do you know who did do it?

710
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,080
That one specific person who's
got it on a wall, who's getting

711
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,360
paid for it?
Do you know what?

712
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,840
Who's the mug here?
Because it's not them.

713
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,920
Yeah, like the banana when it's
taped to the wall.

714
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Yeah, It's like, God, I could
have taped banana to the wall.

715
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,760
But you didn't know you did
that.

716
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240
You didn't think it's funny.
You didn't do it.

717
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,280
And if it was so easy that
you're saying why don't you try

718
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,480
and do it?
Yeah, because you know what?

719
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,760
If you did do it, it wouldn't be
artwork because you're not an

720
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,920
artist.
You haven't built yourself up

721
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,280
over the years.
You've not made a point.

722
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,920
It's what it is.
Funny catch 22.

723
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Very good little rant there.
It's very inspirational.

724
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Yeah, it was actually
inspirational.

725
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,400
It was and I think you are good
at that.

726
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,800
You are really good at just
taking that first step, which is

727
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,120
the thing that people find the
hardest.

728
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,000
You know, when we started our
business, our choosing business,

729
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,320
years and years ago, really it
was because you were like,

730
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,640
should we just actually do it
then?

731
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,680
That's actually what made it
happen.

732
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,520
Yeah.
Yeah.

733
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,000
You were like, oh, let's just
actually do it, then let's meet

734
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,760
up this weekend and actually do
it and make a business.

735
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Because there's other people who
we really like to, my friends

736
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,800
are still our friends right now,
who at the same point in that

737
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,760
conversation between eight
people would be like, yeah,

738
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,640
that's a great idea.
Everyone would agree it's a

739
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,880
great idea to do.
And then I'll kind of go, yeah,

740
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,800
All right, Karen, then see ya.
Cool, but I'm not do anything

741
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,800
about nothing to do so see.
Ya, I'm not saying it's going to

742
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,360
be the worst thing is when
someone's successful and they

743
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,920
go, you just need to try, try
yourself out of the rut and

744
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,560
you'll be successful.
That's not what I'm saying.

745
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,480
And what I'm saying is if you
don't try and you literally will

746
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,840
never, it goes from zero to 1%.
Was I still lucky to get a

747
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,360
millionaire?
Was I still lucky to get the

748
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,400
fastest finger that I knew?
Was I still lucky to get

749
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,160
questions?
Was I still lucky to get a

750
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,760
football question for 32,000?
Yes, all of those things were

751
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600
incredibly lucky.
But I never would have had the

752
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320
chance to have that luck if I
didn't put myself out there in

753
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,160
the 1st place.
Yeah.

754
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,160
So that's all I'm saying to
people, is if you want to do

755
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,320
something, try it.
No idea what the original

756
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,720
question was the.
Original question was, have you

757
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,640
ever seriously considered doing
anything other than teaching?

758
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,240
And my point is, yeah, I have.
And you know what?

759
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
I still think I've got plans in,
in the future that I, you know,

760
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280
heaven forbid I don't get morbid
or anything, but let's say for

761
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,680
whatever reason, you know,
something happened tomorrow and

762
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840
then that was it, OK.
And then hit by a bus or

763
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,160
something, Would I, would I be
able to look back on everything?

764
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,320
I think, wow, I've achieved
everything I tried.

765
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,120
I gave it my best shot in all of
these aspects.

766
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,720
Honestly, right now, probably
not.

767
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,320
And I think that's something I
struggle with because I think,

768
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200
OK, well, I need to do something
about that then, because what,

769
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,120
what impacts do I want to have
long term?

770
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,080
Even if it's, you know, like you
said, writing a children's book,

771
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800
even if I write a children's
book and I just read it to my

772
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,720
children and they really enjoy
it, that's successful.

773
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,760
I'm not expecting to become
David Walliams or anything like

774
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,000
that.
Yeah.

775
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,560
Yeah.
But I want to try and do it.

776
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,040
And I want to make my own kids
laugh.

777
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120
If some kids laugh in my class
and they like it, awesome.

778
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,400
If other things come from it,
awesome.

779
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,520
You've got to try.
That's my big.

780
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Regret as a killer.
And I think we're quite afraid

781
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,080
of regretting, aren't we?
Yeah.

782
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,040
OK, well, let's keep going.
Last few, last few questions.

783
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,280
This is going to turn into just
the.

784
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,800
Same.
Look at the time thinking this

785
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,320
is just an.
Episode only if you're left.

786
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,640
I think it's.
I'm having a nice chat guys,

787
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,960
hope you're enjoying it.
If you do have any questions let

788
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,720
us know.
We might do this every few weeks

789
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,720
or so, I'm sure there'll.
Be something we can't do.

790
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,600
Today, absolutely.
Probably not though, because I'm

791
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,360
so excited about this.
This, this really jumped out at

792
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,120
me.
And again, it always gives me

793
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,160
anxiety to think that are we
quite negative?

794
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
I don't think we are.
What's your answer to this

795
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,720
question?
This is from Rachel.

796
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,760
I'm I'm seven weeks into teacher
training, aged 41.

797
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Have I made the right decision?
Question mark, Question mark.

798
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Exclamation mark.
Exclamation mark.

799
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,320
Such a hard question, isn't it?
Do you know what?

800
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Yes.
You've made the right decision.

801
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Yep.
Honestly, any, If you've got to

802
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,000
that stage, like, give yourself
some credit.

803
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Yeah, you've got to that stage.
You've fought.

804
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,160
You've come to the conclusion
that that was something you

805
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:05,880
wanted to do.
Yes.

806
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,960
You've made the right decision.
Will you change your mind?

807
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,400
But maybe in in five years you
might not enjoy it anymore in

808
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,680
one.
Year in one year.

809
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,720
One year, 10 years, whatever.
Like.

810
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,600
But right now, have you made the
right decision?

811
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Yeah.
Because that's what you wanted

812
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,560
to do.
So back yourself.

813
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,160
Exactly what we just said
Almost, isn't it?

814
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,240
It's like, well, you you thought
about it, you got to four to

815
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,360
one.
You wanted to try teaching.

816
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Yeah, give it a good.
You might love it.

817
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,080
It's.
Teaching the most rewarding job

818
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,800
on this planet?
Yes, genuinely, you, you'll

819
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,720
probably, you'll probably
absolutely love it.

820
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,000
I can't.
There's nothing I love more in

821
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,640
like my career in my life
really, than that first year or

822
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,280
two of teaching.
Even more than your own child.

823
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Even more than your own child.
Yeah, my answer to that is no.

824
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520
Don't you know you?
You can, only you can decide if

825
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,520
you've made the right decision
or not.

826
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,120
What I would say to people is I
would still urge people to give

827
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,360
teaching a go if they feel like
that's something they're going

828
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,240
to get a lot out of.
It is really fulfilling.

829
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,840
It is amazing.
Again, my career, I've loved it.

830
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,080
I've loved teaching kids.
I think it really opens your

831
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680
eyes to stuff.
And a lot of the time I've had

832
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,960
people who I trained with who
were older as well, really good

833
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,640
friends of them.
We know them and the same thing

834
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,800
for them.
They just, they found that it

835
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,400
was incredibly hard work.
Yeah.

836
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,760
They like that's, that's
unavoidable.

837
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160
They they'd worked their whole
lives in an engineering career

838
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,280
coming to teaching.
They were like, guys, I don't we

839
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,640
were new in our first job.
And he, I always remember him

840
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,240
saying to me, I don't think you
understand how much work this

841
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,000
is.
Like this is not a normal amount

842
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,080
of work.
This is a lot.

843
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,120
We only knew that and we were
just like, oh, this is just what

844
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,760
a job is, right.
And so with that maturity, you

845
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,760
do get a bit more street smart
straight away.

846
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,560
Yeah, you get, you can kind of
prioritise stuff a bit better, I

847
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,120
think.
And I think you can still get a

848
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,040
lot out of it.
And I would say know you had not

849
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,320
made the wrong decision.
You've made the right decision

850
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,040
for you.
Give it a go and see how it gets

851
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,320
on.
This is I don't get deep because

852
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,280
I think Hayden's worrying about
how long this episode is.

853
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,000
But do.
You know what?

854
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,160
Whatever.
This was a really good question

855
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,720
as well.
This is from, excuse me, AIG

856
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,480
Mears.
Now I know we spoke on Messenger

857
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,440
as well, some messages about
this, we clarified some bits.

858
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,680
What do you think is your
teaching philosophy that keeps

859
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,800
you going?
And at the crux of this, what

860
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040
we're talking about is the thing
that just gets the thing that

861
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,240
makes you tick as a teacher,
that got you into it in the

862
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280
first place, and that keeps you
coming back for more.

863
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,280
What is your philosophy kind of
like your core principles?

864
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,840
I think, yeah, that that really
like, yeah, OK.

865
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,320
This is what I am as a teacher
and this is what's important to

866
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,000
me in the short term.
That's a deep question.

867
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
I think when I really think
about this, and some may be a

868
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,800
bit corny, do am I making people
enjoy their lives more?

869
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,880
That's like the deepest level
of, and we're talking about kids

870
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,760
obviously isn't just people.
Am I making a difference to how

871
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,320
much those children are enjoying
their lives, how much happiness

872
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320
they experience?
That's powerful.

873
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,360
I think that's really what it
is, you know, and we talk about

874
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,080
entertainment a lot.
I think that a lot of the way I

875
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,840
do that is, is seeing this job
as like an entertainment role.

876
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,800
And yeah, we're teaching the
curriculum and that's really

877
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,120
important.
But marrying that with making

878
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,120
the kids laugh, making them go
home thinking I love this

879
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,240
subject, make them go home
thinking my teacher really cares

880
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,400
for me.
Those bits.

881
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,760
My I think my deepest philosophy
is do the kids go home feeling?

882
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,920
I don't care what their
background is?

883
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,040
Let's just assume the worst for
a second, right?

884
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,400
Do they go home feeling like
they are loved and cared for by

885
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,920
me?
If so, then I'm doing it right.

886
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,720
That's, that's all I care about,
really.

887
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280
I think you.
I think you've summarised it.

888
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,120
I think you've summarised it.
I think there's almost

889
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760
everything in education,
academic wise, can be picked up

890
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,720
on in multiple ways.
I think if you don't quite get

891
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200
something, it's OK, you've got
next year as well to get it.

892
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Obviously there's more important
things like reading and counting

893
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,160
and we can identify the key
skills for society.

894
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,960
Fine, that's really important.
But why do I teach?

895
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,680
It's to make children happy.
Yeah, that is honest.

896
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Honestly, truly.
That's why I teach.

897
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,680
And someone might get annoyed at
me and be like, no, it's because

898
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,160
they need to know how to do the
maths and stuff.

899
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,200
Yeah.
You're asking me what's the most

900
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,600
support?
You're asking me what makes me

901
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,760
tick as a teacher, what makes me
keep coming back for more.

902
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,800
It's the fact that I can stand
in front of 32 kids, they can be

903
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,320
happy, laughing, enjoy their
learning, school safe for them.

904
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,719
That is genuinely all I care
about.

905
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,080
So I think you hit an out on the
head.

906
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,040
Absolutely.
Really good one.

907
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,120
This is from someone called
Lauren Joy.

908
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,239
I don't know you're Lauren.
Something you want to achieve

909
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,760
personally in half term?
I think she's hinting at the.

910
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Dishes.
I want to make Lauren Joy

911
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,960
extremely happy and enjoy her
half term because she's

912
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560
definitely not my partner in the
next room looking after our

913
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,000
child right now.
But I thought it was a really

914
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,360
good question, to be fair, when
it comes to half term, yeah.

915
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,120
Do you set yourself like a goal
every time or do you just go or

916
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,440
let's just go with it, roll with
it, Let's just survive and get

917
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000
through and rest.
But if you had to set yourself

918
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,080
like something you I wanted to
achieve personally, yeah.

919
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,520
What would it be in 1/2 term?
Well, now we've got now we've

920
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,719
got a child and same for you.
I guess I want to get out the

921
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,400
house and go and explore
somewhere.

922
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,760
That is my thing now.
I never used to be.

923
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,280
I never used to really care.
I just would whatever I fancy

924
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,840
doing is what I'd do.
And if that happened to be

925
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,320
nothing, I.
Want to be Runescape for 10

926
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,680
hours?
Yeah, it'd be a game on the

927
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,080
computer, whatever.
But now it's I want to get out.

928
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,200
I want to do something totally
away from my job.

929
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,800
I want to take my family out and
go and have a really nice time

930
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,320
somewhere.
That is honestly like my only

931
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,440
goal.
And that becomes a personal

932
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,240
achievement, doesn't it?
End of the day where you're

933
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,040
like, yeah, it does in this job.
Yeah, because it's so hard to do

934
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,720
that, especially in a one week
half term.

935
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,160
You will almost definitely be
thinking, I could fail every day

936
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,760
with this work, this work, this
work.

937
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,840
I could plan ahead.
I could do that.

938
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,720
I'm.
Going to be more selfish.

939
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,440
Go on then my one because I
don't disagree with you

940
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,880
obviously, but from a selfish
point of view, in half term I

941
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,760
want to ensure I have at least
half a day doing whatever I want

942
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:38,240
to do.
Yeah.

943
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,440
Yeah, completely for me.
Because I love my child and.

944
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love my child.

945
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,240
And I love myself, yeah, but
obviously Rory is unbelievable

946
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,920
that we get these weeks off
quite frequently.

947
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,000
Doing me wrong.
It's nice they still do work and

948
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,560
stuff.
I completely agree with what

949
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,200
you're saying, but from a
selfish point of view, and I

950
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,160
think this applies to everyone,
whether they have children or

951
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,160
not.
I'm just going to make sure I do

952
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,840
something for me, booked in.
That's my time.

953
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,520
What it is.
It might be with Rory, it might

954
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,800
be on my own, it might be with
you, it might be with someone

955
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,040
else.
I don't know.

956
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,400
But I want to go and play
snooker for three hours.

957
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,240
Yeah, I want to go and watch a
film at the cinema.

958
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,240
I go to an.
Escape room?

959
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Exactly.
Have some lunch.

960
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Exactly that do something for
me.

961
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,440
That's my personal achievement
at this point.

962
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,760
Long term.
I'm I'm I'm really excited about

963
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,760
writing a book all of a sudden,
just because you said it.

964
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,440
I just I want to be creative.
So it's ATV show for me.

965
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,920
I don't know.
I always think book and then I

966
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,680
immediately start thinking of it
as ATV show.

967
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,240
So clearly I just want to write
ATV show.

968
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,000
Well, watch the space, guys.
Is there any TV producers out

969
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,480
there or do I?
OK, last one, last one.

970
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,200
And this is something we've
touched upon recently.

971
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,960
I think this person's clearly
got the theme we've been.

972
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,120
Saying last one for this bite
size.

973
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,960
Really.
Let's just try and condense our

974
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,520
thoughts here, okay?
All right, so this is from

975
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Sharon Robinson and it has AU at
the end.

976
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Maybe an Aussie listener.
Love an Aussie listener.

977
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560
By the way, anyone who isn't
keeping up with what we've

978
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,600
mentioned, we've been on the Art
of Teaching podcast with Matthew

979
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Green Check it out.
An Aussie, really nice chat.

980
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Anyway, this person says,
Sharon, I've thought about

981
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,080
leadership roles with additional
hours and responsibilities, but

982
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,720
no extra pay.
Well, firstly, you go and watch

983
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,520
our episode.
Yeah, go and listen to our

984
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,800
episode because we've really,
really gone into detail about

985
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,000
this and.
I want you to answer this.

986
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,160
One OK, well this is the problem
when we post stuff online and

987
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,720
it's one minute and people get
angry with me.

988
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Yeah, there are always going to
be extra responsibilities in any

989
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,000
job that people have to pick up
on.

990
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,960
When I worked in a supermarket,
I was on the same pay as my

991
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,240
colleagues.
There were some people who did

992
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,760
more work than other people.
There are some people who went

993
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,600
and chatted for an hour of their
mate because they could just get

994
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,480
away with it.
There's always going to be that

995
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,280
resentment.
So when someone says to me,

996
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,200
yeah, it's the same in every
job, some people have

997
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,240
responsibility, blah, blah,
blah, brilliant.

998
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,280
You can moan about that because
you're in that job.

999
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,680
I'm in education.
This is a very specific problem

1000
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,120
of literally built in
responsibility, built in extra

1001
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,520
to your role as a class teacher.
Nothing changes as a class

1002
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,880
teacher and expectations when
you take on head of year, when

1003
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,360
you take on head of maths, when
you take on head of English.

1004
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160
So one of two things happens.
You spend way more of your

1005
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,000
personal time doing the actual
responsibility or you spend less

1006
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,520
of the time doing your doing
your class work, being a class

1007
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,840
teacher.
OK, class teachers are lovely

1008
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,280
people.
They're not going to let their

1009
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,800
class suffer.
So what inevitably happens in

1010
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,440
these people who are amazing at
being a class teacher is they

1011
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,720
burn out from doing extra work
that can be compromised.

1012
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,520
There could be, you're getting a
decent boost to your pay and you

1013
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,440
think, do you know what?
I'm doing a few hours extra work

1014
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,280
a week, but my goodness, I've
got a really good boost in pay.

1015
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,480
That's going to pay for the
increase in my mortgage because

1016
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,720
my interest rates have gone up.
That's going to pay for a

1017
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,800
holiday at the end of the year
because I can reward myself by

1018
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,160
doing extra work.
Because do you know what

1019
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,760
teachers aren't scared of doing
extra work.

1020
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:02,160
The biggest issue I have with
this is the expectation to lump

1021
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,280
onto someone for no additional
pay, hours and hours of extra

1022
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,080
work at the weekend without
remotely compromising a job

1023
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,400
which is already taking up too
much of their time.

1024
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,320
I think it's unacceptable.
I think it has to change from

1025
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,400
the top down and personally I'd
like to see it change from the

1026
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,680
bottom up as well.
A bit more solidarity in

1027
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,880
schools, people getting together
and saying do you know what we

1028
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,080
all do?
Extra hours, Can we stop saying

1029
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520
it's okay because instead of
just moaning about it in the

1030
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,320
staff room to each other, but
then going and spending three

1031
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,480
hours anyway doing it that
evening.

1032
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,320
Just a little bit of
togetherness from us.

1033
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,760
Shouldn't have to come down to
this.

1034
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,800
But that's the whole point of
workers rights and things.

1035
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,120
Sometimes it does come down to
you.

1036
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Just get together, chat about
it, what's acceptable, what's

1037
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,520
not.
We're all doing 3 hours every

1038
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,760
week for these subject
leaderships.

1039
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,480
OK, Do you know what we're going
to say to SRT?

1040
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
10% PPA just doesn't work in our
school because we're a small

1041
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,960
school.
We're doing way more roles than

1042
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,960
every other school around here.
We get equal PPA to that school

1043
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,480
down the road.
They've got four classes per

1044
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,840
year group, We've got one.
We're doing way more work.

1045
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,720
We simply need more time.
So that's the thing, we're all

1046
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,360
here together.
We all agree we're not going to

1047
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,040
do it in our evenings anymore.
There's a possible solution?

1048
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Here's a solution.
We have a bit more, 10% more

1049
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,080
time out of class so we can get
all these other roles done that

1050
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,040
you'd like us to.
Do guys, I'd love that.

1051
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,480
I love that.
But we just have people to cover

1052
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,200
the classes I'm afraid, so we
just can't do it.

1053
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,400
Cool, then we just can't do the
work then.

1054
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,240
Precisely simple as that.
Yeah, we can't do the leadership

1055
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:25,680
role to that level.
It's just insane that you think

1056
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,840
about any other job where it'd
be like, oh, we can't.

1057
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,640
I'll just do it then.
Yeah.

1058
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,680
And I'm not saying it doesn't
happen in other jobs because I'm

1059
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,720
sure it does.
I've heard a million times by

1060
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,200
these layoffs, and you're like,
OK, who are we replacing them

1061
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,080
with?
Oh, no, we're just going to

1062
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,520
split up that work between
everyone and you don't get a pay

1063
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,400
rise.
That's also annoying.

1064
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,600
Yeah.
And wrong.

1065
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,960
Yeah.
And I'm not going to sit there

1066
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,160
on reels like that and go, well,
actually, I'm a teacher and I

1067
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,000
always do extra work.
Do you know what I'm going to

1068
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,400
do?
So that sounds bad.

1069
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,240
That should be fixed.
Yeah, that's wrong.

1070
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Yeah.
Because the company should save

1071
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,120
50 grand.
Yeah.

1072
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,360
Yeah, yeah.
Just a just think about it.

1073
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Not to you, but to other people
who sometimes just want to jump

1074
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,440
on the bandwagon and complain
about something.

1075
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Just think about it for more
than 5 seconds.

1076
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,800
It's clearly not acceptable.
Work is an exchange of your time

1077
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,120
and expertise for monetary
value.

1078
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,480
That is what work is.
You cannot like that.

1079
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,680
You cannot like the capitalist
system we live in.

1080
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,280
But I'm not just going to do
hours and hours of extra work

1081
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,720
because someone random on the
Internet has said, don't you

1082
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,080
like the kids?
You sound like I'm a bad

1083
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,480
teacher.
Why don't you care about them?

1084
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:22,680
Cool.
I don't care.

1085
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,720
I care about paying my mortgage,
OK?

1086
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,280
And if I'm going to sacrifice
time at home, it's going to be

1087
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,680
because you're going to give me
something in return.

1088
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,000
I'm not going to do it fine
anymore.

1089
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,440
And you know what?
Even then, pay doesn't justify

1090
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,320
burnout.
Sure.

1091
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,520
I will say that as an extra
thing earlier on.

1092
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,200
You know it doesn't, it doesn't
stop it.

1093
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,520
Sure it doesn't justify it.
So there are, there's still

1094
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,640
situation.
Don't feel bad.

1095
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
I'm being paid like I've been
paid like 10 grand more than I

1096
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,360
wasn't.
But I just can't.

1097
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
I'm still burning out.
So yeah, you can still burnout

1098
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,160
from the workload regardless of
your pay.

1099
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,760
That's a good point.
I don't always think that, you

1100
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,480
know, the money justifies it.
Just bear that.

1101
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,840
Yeah.
Everyone has different

1102
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,040
thresholds as well.
Some people live the job and you

1103
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,360
know that's fine for them, the
pay is worth it because they're

1104
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,440
not that stressed anyway.
They love it.

1105
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,520
They love the job they work.
They can't reject it onto

1106
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,760
everyone.
No, not everyone's in the same

1107
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,440
situation.
Do you know what that pay, same

1108
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,600
pay for you just might not be
enough justification and

1109
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,800
actually, no pay might not be
enough because you value your

1110
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,040
time more than that money.
Sure, with whatever you're

1111
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,360
doing.
But anyway, that was cool.

1112
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Good Q&A.
Nice short bite sized episode

1113
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,040
there.
Just a full on bonus episode,

1114
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,240
guys, It was basically it
wasn't.

1115
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,920
Let us know if you enjoyed it.
Any feedback from that would be

1116
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,880
greatly appreciated.
If we answer your question and

1117
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,760
you have anything to follow up
on, get us on Instagram at Teach

1118
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,080
Seek, repeat Podcast.
If you have your own questions,

1119
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,120
send us them because we'll do
this again in a few weeks.

1120
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,520
Like I said, maybe it could be
like a monthly thing, I don't

1121
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,600
know.
That be quite cool.

1122
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:36,560
I enjoy that.
Nice one.

1123
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:37,480
Yeah, I enjoy that a lot.
Thank you.

1124
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Thank you so much guys.
And we will see you in the next

1125
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,080
next episode.
Be our episode.

1126
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,160
It'll be next Monday.