Ep 84: Did The Teacher Strikes Change Anything? (Why Education Is STILL Broken)

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Seat

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
How you doing, Hayden?

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I am bloody dandy.
Why, you bloody dandy?

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Why?
I'm bloody dandy.

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Why I I played this little game
last night.

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Oh yeah, play this little game
last night.

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You might have heard of it.
Snooker.

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Oh, I've heard of snooker.
I don't know if I want to listen

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to the end of the story though.
I played snooker with Dylan.

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You might remember from last
episode that Dylan Dylan's been

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playing snooker without me.
Well, the the reason is because

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I ask you, do you want to play?
And you go, yeah, sure.

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And then never, ever go any
further.

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Right, what got my friends?
Whatever.

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Guess who won 21?
Me.

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So I've had it.
I'm I'm feeling great.

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You, you, you've played really
well.

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Thank you.
And the I, I thought you're

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gonna go down a different route,
which was that the eight week

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time is over and it's half term
and that's way less.

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Exciting than me being you at
snooker because I know how

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competitive you are.
Well, I went, I went for a

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haircut.
Anyone watching the podcast, you

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might notice or whatever bit of
a haircut going on by the way,

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the kids, when you have a
haircut and you walk in, the

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kids are obsessed with it,
aren't they?

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Or you might, you might not.
Preaching to the wrong guy here.

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The kids are so cute.
Anyway, I went to the

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hairdressers and I really like
my hairdresser.

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He's a good lad and I've been
going there for a few years now,

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since COVID actually.
He opened his hairdressers in

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February 2020.
Absolutely got it.

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He was like within a month
closed, sorry, six months.

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Anyway, I went to get my hair
cut and he said right, any plans

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then?
Like upcoming plans?

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And I was like actually it's
half term now.

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And his reaction was what
already?

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You've only just gone back And I
was like.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I know, right?

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I just, I didn't, I couldn't
bother to have that

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conversation, which was like,
actually it's the longest time I

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think I've ever experienced in
my life ever.

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It was a horrible eight week
time you've ever seen.

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But I've seen a lot of that from
people.

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Oh, already I'm like, Oh my
gosh, just hold it into them.

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It's OK.
Just nod and just take your week

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off because it's nice having a
week off after 8 weeks.

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I don't think people realise
just how incredibly intense.

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Eight weeks, I can see that you
took it out on your hair, he

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thought.
This guy, oh, I can see it.

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I can see that bit of hair.
Oh, there it is again.

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That's it.
Keep looking at me because

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anyone watching.
Can see that right?

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This is This is my where I am at
the time.

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Sorry, we're at Wingham.
Anyone doesn't know where that

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is?
It's a Wingham Wildlife Reserve.

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Throwback's a very old episode.
There's a Peacock here.

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Yeah, a Peacock.
Well done.

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At the back of my head, I've the
crown, but the crown, my hair

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grows just out directly towards
like, like a sunflower going

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towards the sun.
You.

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Have too much hair like your
hair is so.

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Dense.
It can't fit, so it just it just

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grows out and I look like I'm
presenting myself as a Peacock.

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Anyway, other than your hair.
But anyway, that was the main

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thing was it's half term now.
I'm quite excited about that.

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Did you have any much going on
this week in the last week of

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time?
Actually, in a really, really

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nice week.
And was it because of snooker?

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Snooker was like the icing on
the cake.

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OK, what?
What was the cherry?

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Was it doing this podcast with
me?

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The cherry on the icing on the
cake, yeah, was the school trip

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that went on OK.
And I know you love school trips

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as well.
And it's just one of those

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things where they have they're a
ball like to to organise, aren't

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they?
Let's be honest, like school

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trips are not they're not just
like, come on, kids, let's go

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here today.
It's.

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Easier just to do your normal
day.

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You're much easier, right?
But I just, I just love school

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trips because I love seeing the
kids really happy.

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And they're always really happy,
obviously, because it's like, do

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you want to do maths and English
all day like you do every single

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day of the year, or do you want
to go to see a bunch of planes?

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So we went to like a museum, RAF
Manchester Museum, which is

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really, really cool.
I got tonnes of planes and

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they're like, yeah, that'll be
great.

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It's got to look at some planes
and then you get there and then

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we're like, do you want to go
and sit in some of them?

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They're like, sorry, what?
Some of them said they sat in

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them, They came back and they
were like, I sat in the plane

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and pressed all the buttons,
yeah.

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So they they, this place is
lovely.

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RAF man's the museum.
If ever around that area, visit

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it because they're really lovely
people there.

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Run by volunteers mostly.
I got loads of volunteers in

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because I knew we would come in
just a man.

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Basically all the planes that
they could open up the little

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cockpits for that they just had
volunteers in.

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So then it was like, go on.
Then in you go.

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And they were like, what?
I can go inside that plane?

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Yeah, you can go and you can go
and sit.

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Can I sit at?
Yeah, you can sit at the

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controls.
Can I switch, switch things?

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Yeah, you can switch things.
And they just loved it.

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We had such a good day and just
walking around, looking at

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planes, getting on a helicopter
as well, obviously.

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But it was like an old rescue
helicopter so all the kids could

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get on.
We have a group of 10 and we're

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all sat in there and they're
giving us like a pep talk, like,

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OK, we're going on a mission.
It's just such a good time.

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I just love it.
And every single time I do a

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trip, I'm always like, oh, I
should do this every single,

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like, every week.
Yeah.

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As much as possible, Covad
rinsed it, didn't it?

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For a lot of schools, a lot of
people just where it just you

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couldn't do the trips anymore.
And then it's so easy to get

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back into the route of just I
will let's just do, you know, do

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what we're doing, stay in the
school.

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Yeah, and and not bother, but
trip.

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So transformative.
Have you got a chat on the spot

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here?
Have you got a favourite trip?

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Like does any school trip come
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Either that I guess, either that
you went on as a kid or more

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like more realistically, one
that you've taken kids on.

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OK, as a kid I can remember
loads.

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I think that's why I find them.
Yeah, lovely to do because as a

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kid I remember going to watch
The Lion King.

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I would have been year 4.
I think it just come out.

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Oh, no way.
Literally just come out.

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I think it's like 20 odd years
now.

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That is cool.
Went to watch The Lion King.

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Also my primary school, we went
to the Natural History Museum.

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Best day ever for me.
I was like unreal to walk in and

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see the dinosaur.
I was like, that was my

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favourite thing I've ever done.
And then I think of secondary

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school, we went residentials
from my Year 6 residential.

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I remember that.
So that's three trips from my

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primary school.
Yeah, yeah, I remember

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residentials we did in our
secondary school.

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You would put it on the same
ones to Santa Mare in France,

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but I didn't, I didn't go.
But yes.

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But that was the thing we did
every year I went to Iceland.

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We're lucky enough to go to
Iceland on the geography trip

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when I was in year 10.
That is the probably probably

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the best trip I've ever been.
Yeah, it didn't go on that

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either.
It was really good.

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And then as a as a teacher, I've
not done many actual trips like

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we've done things like where you
do like an experience day, you

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might go to this park or
something where they they dress

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up in Victorian.
Yes, like that was from.

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To my mind, that's like my.
Favourite.

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That's unbelievable.
It's so good because it's so do

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you know what do you know two
things that make a good trip.

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One, obviously when the kids
love it and it's relevant and

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they're, they're excited and
they want to do their learning

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in a different way, which is
actually fun and engaging.

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The second thing, selfishly from
a teacher's point of view, is

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when experts just crack on with
doing it.

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And, and with this like it's
called Kent Life, I think.

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So anyone, again, anyone in
Kent, I'm sure you, you're aware

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of this, but you go to Kent Life
for the day and we've actually

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just booked it, I think for us,
our group to do it this year.

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Oh, cool.
So we're going to go and these

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experts basically just they're
in costume, they're in

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character, they run workshops.
All you need to do is ferry the

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kids around and the kids just
have a crack in time with these

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experts who I couldn't do what
they're doing.

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And the kids are sewing gross.
They do loads of different

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stuff.
They learn and you know what

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doesn't happen?
They get back and have to write

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it in their book.
Yeah, don't, don't worry about

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it.
Just enjoy.

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You've done your learning.
You always remember as a kid,

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you always knew a trip was was
about to go from A10 to a three

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when the teacher gave you a
clipboard on the coach and you

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think, ohh, I don't wanna do it
in actual I don't want to do any

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clipboard writing It's.
So true I.

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Just want to enjoy the trip.
We need to evidence it.

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We need to evidence it in the
books because we don't evidence

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it that we didn't go on this
trip, did we?

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We didn't go on this trip.
But you really enjoyed You're

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gonna Remember from this trip
that you're gonna remember when

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you're 31 doing a teacher
podcast and you actually

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remember all your trips, but you
didn't write down on the

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clipboard what we gonna possibly
do.

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Oh jeez.
So I try to do that.

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I try, I very much try to just
be like it's just, can we just

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enjoy it?
Press.

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Buns on the plane.
However, say this, however, we

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did go on the trip the other day
for the first time in three

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years I've been doing this trip.
They they did offer a quiz.

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They were like, would your kids
want a quiz going around?

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I was like, give them a quiz.
I'm just not going to remotely

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force them to do.
It exactly and.

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They some of the kids really
enjoyed it and I went around

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finding all these facts.
Most kids did one question, the

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novelty wore off, and then the
clipboard just stayed in their

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hands and ended up in my hands
for those.

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Kids who wanted to do it,
Brilliant.

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Yeah.
They enjoyed it, yeah.

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It was good fun.
Nice.

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Anyway, anything else if you
with your week?

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Well, I, I think I was kind of
channelling them my in a

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breakdown because I've been
having a few this week.

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Do you know we post memes and
stuff on our Instagram at TTP

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podcast.
You want to come and follow us?

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And one, one meme that does
particularly well is if I ever

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do anything about the printer,
the photocopier, I don't know,

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it's a joke.
Like, ha ha, photocopies are

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frustrating, blah, blah, blah.
But actually, no, this happens

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to me in real life.
And you happen to be in the

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room.
And I just got to the point

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where after honestly, I think
about 20 times in a row that

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I've gone to use the massive
photocopier immediately the

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first time anything comes
through to print.

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Printer jammed.
Printer jammed.

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Remove the paper from the print
of mine.

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Turns into a donkey and then it
gives you some arrows.

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Yeah, it pops up like printer is
extremely hot.

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It's been off.
It's been off yeah, You just I

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just turned it on.
I got an early still my

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printing.
I've just turned this printer

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on.
Why is it broken?

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And then every three like every
three bits of paper, it just

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jams again.
I just it it really gets to me

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right now.
I know like like more than it

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should.
I know.

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It does because it really set me
up for a good day.

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It made it made me your misery,
amused me because I was walking

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through this guy was just
getting into school, just

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walking through the door,
signing in.

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Boop Boop 10.
Minutes until you've got to

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teach, as you always do.
Someone else will sort my stuff

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out.
No, and and all I could hear

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was.
All I could hear was.

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You raging and I was like, oh,
this is going to be a treat.

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So I went in to have a look and
you're just like this printer

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just having a complete meltdown.
It was just really funny.

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I know it's quite childish, but
it's also really frustrating

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because I've got so much stuff
to do and I'm just spending

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another 10 minutes at the print
every day trying to pull out

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paper I.
Laughed until I had to use the

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printer.
Honestly like same thing

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happened. 20 was later.
Yeah, it did.

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It jammed.
I was like, ah, is it jammed

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because it because you haven't
printed one single sheet yet.

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It's OK, I'll take the jam out.
Next sheet, second sheet.

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Guess what that did?
Jammed.

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And I was like, OK.
I can see I can see a couple of

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problems here.
Maybe fix that please.

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I don't know how I know printers
all the.

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Guy came in that day to.
Fix it.

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I saw him got the rollers in I.
Was like, there we go.

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Fixed it that afternoon.
I used it.

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It didn't work.
And I was like, Oh my God.

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At what point do we just blame
the printer company and say your

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thing doesn't work?
Why do we all accept printers

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are awful?
I know.

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I think we need to go back in
time and use the old what they

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just like to no, no, no, I read
projector or but if we need to

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make worksheets, you get a bit
of ink on a template, print it

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down to a bit of paper.
You talk about printing press.

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Printing press.
That's the one.

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Think of the word printing
press, the printing squishy

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thing that goes down like that.
That's the name.

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Get one, get them, get them
back.

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Out you need to get a trip to
see a printing press.

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Maybe you'll learn to think or
tell you about them.

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History trip.
That's what you did your degree

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on, wasn't it?
Printing presses.

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Brilliant.
Whenever anyone mentions my

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history degree they think they
can point to any point in

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history and go didn't you do
that?

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You did a.
Dissertation on that?

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Didn't you, Didn't you do that?
Wow, a good degree in that?

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Didn't you do Albanian history
from the year 600 to 400 BC the

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Banyan was in the country?
Then you'll know that because

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you did a history degree.
I don't know everything ever.

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I do love how vast history, like
history, all of it.

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I learned everything that ever
happened ever in my three-year

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degree.
Actually, I'll have you know.

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Quantum mechanics, really
specific part of maths.

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Got a degree in that, The
history of everything.

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Funnily enough, quantum
mechanics happened in the past,

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so I guess you learned about
that.

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We discovered that back in the
in the 1900s.

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So tell me more anyway.
Anyway, Dylan.

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What is the past Hayden, but the
present?

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Yeah, just already happened.
That's nice.

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That's why it was.
We should have done the Jingle

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right there.
Was that?

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Profound.
Let's move on.

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Let's get on to the actual
cracking bit of this episode,

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shall we?
Did the strikes achieve

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anything, Hayden?
Will education ever be fixed?

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I just don't know anymore.
I just don't know.

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We're we're recording this
episode and we know exactly what

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we want to talk about, but we
haven't yet decided the name of

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the episode.
No.

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So it could be one of a few
things, but the gist is I just

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we just had a moment of
reflection, didn't we?

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I mean, we're talking recently
and we thought back to the

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strikes and the reason we
started this podcast.

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As I say, when we started.
Yeah, was literally because we

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were striking and the first
episode was why are we striking

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and wanted to just break down
those misconceptions about

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teachers, etcetera.
The strike action ended.

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People have voted through the
various pay rises and stuff,

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blah, blah, blah.
But it just got me thinking, has

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anything actually changed in
this job?

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Has it remotely got better?
Have the, you know, aims of the

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strikes been met?
Yeah, yeah.

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And I honestly think the answer
is no.

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Well, let's break it down, shall
we?

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Yeah, because.
Because I think it did some

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stuff.
Sure.

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I think the strikes did some
things, but I don't.

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Maybe we can talk about it, but
I don't think perhaps it was

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really worth it.
OK, I'm going to try and narrow

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you down before we break it down
to start you off on a scale of

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0% to 100% fixed.
OK, so 0% fixed.

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Nothing.
It's exactly the same as it was

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100% fixed.
Everything that we possibly had

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gripes with and strikes for and
reasons why educations in the

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doldrums has been completely
sorted.

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What percentage score would you
give it two years later?

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I'm trying to be real.
I'm trying not to exaggerate too

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much and just be honest I think.
Nought .1% honestly gonna not

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exaggerate.
I think 5%, yeah. 5%, like I

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think a really, really, really
low number.

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Yeah, maybe I think about 6.5%
fixed.

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Oh, I wonder, that's very
interesting.

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Why is that number?
Yeah, I agree.

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I don't I honestly if if you
were to pick me up from January

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2023 was when it happened.
Yeah.

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January.
February and then look at me now

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in October 2024, nearly two
years later.

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Yeah, yeah, I, I don't think
anything has changed no,

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because, well, let's break it
down.

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We'll talk about what the
strikes actually achieved first

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then, because I think that's
important.

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If we're giving it a 5% score,
that's quite harsh.

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So maybe as we go through what
the strike did actually achieve,

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we can maybe look at that number
and reassess or choose not to,

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because then afterwards what we
can go through is what did the

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strikes not.
Achieve.

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Yeah, that we were trying to
achieve.

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Exactly what did the strikes
fail to do?

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Yeah.
So Hayden, here's with in your

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opinion then because you are
very much more realistic than

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me.
I think when we talked about

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this, you said well, no,
actually it did do this.

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What did the strikes achieve
then, in your opinion?

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So.
I think the biggest optic of the

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strike and the thing that maybe
the public thought the entirety

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of the strike was about right,
the only thing was about

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teachers getting a pay rise.
Sure, because we were on track

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to to have to go into another
stagnant period, weren't we of?

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Yeah, I think two or two to 3%
was was thrown around at the

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point of like 15% inflation.
Yeah, yeah, inflation was crazy.

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And we've just done about 10
years of yeah, what's it called,

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10 years?
Well, of no pay rise.

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Yeah, frozen.
Yeah, froze.

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Pay freeze, that's what it was,
Yeah.

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And there were talks of doing a
pay freeze again as well, as

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well as this.
And it was just like everyone

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was just annoyed.
So the one thing that I'd say

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the strike did achieve was we
got a bit more of a pay rise

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sure, than we were going to get.
Like it wasn't even the full

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amount really, because I think
we were gunning for a lot higher

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to be in line with inflation.
Yeah.

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And we settled on.
I'm pretty sure it was 6.5.

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Yeah, it was the first year,
yeah. 6.5.

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Gillian Keegan, reluctantly, I
think.

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Yeah.
And then and the following year,

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so this year that we're in at
the moment is a 5.5% pay.

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Rise, which was voted through
heavily in favour from the NEU.

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Yeah the NEU put a bat out and
said do you accept this?

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And the most people by far said
yes, I.

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Accept.
Yeah, because you know what?

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People don't actually want to
strike, not really, because the

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end of the day it costs it.
It costs money.

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Like people forget that.
I think it's like, yeah, you're

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on strike.
So you didn't get paid though.

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We didn't get paid all those
days off we had, we didn't get

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paid for that.
I don't really want, I don't

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really want to strike again.
I mean, so even if 5.5% seems

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like us, that's a win.
I think a lot of people were

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still like.
Not really, yeah.

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But you know what?
I don't really want to go on

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strike again.
Because you know what?

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The public hate us more than
ever now.

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I must say on this note quickly,
it was a bit of a kick in the

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teeth to me when we kind of all
just accepted this 5.5% this

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year, the second lot of and
that's great, don't get me

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wrong, but but it was a little
bit of a kick in the teeth to

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then see other public sector
workers get honestly like 22%

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pay rise.
Like junior doctors, I think are

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unbelievably underpaid.
I think they are amazed and they

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deserve more money than a
teacher.

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Let me get that clear.
I, I, we live in a society where

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people get paid different
amounts for the jobs they do.

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And it's OK to say that junior
doctors users do an unbelievably

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hard job, work extremely
difficult conditions and

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completely deserve their 20
huge.

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Requirements to even be at that.
Level yeah and and then the

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stress of the job day-to-day.
Let's just be realistic.

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Me teaching children how to
round and them saving the lives

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of people and doing diagnosis.
It's incomparable.

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It is and that's OK to say and
they deserve their pay rise and

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it they're on their route to
restoration.

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I agree, but it's a percentage.
They're on more already and they

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should get a percentage pay
rise.

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Yeah.
The percentage should be pretty

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close though, in my opinion, to
what teachers should get as

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well.
Yeah.

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Because it's proportional.
Exactly that, yeah.

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And then the percentage is to do
with restoration and it's to do

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with inflation and stuff.
So yeah, you are right.

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The strikes.
Without the strikes, we wouldn't

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have got a 6.5% pay increase,
Yeah.

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So that's a big one.
That's one of the bigger optics.

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I think one of the other things
that came from it, because we've

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talked about it a lot, is it did
spark the workload reduction

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task force.
Yeah.

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And go back to our previous
episodes, it's in the title

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where we've looked at what
exactly what that document was

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from the government, right?
And it was quite an extensive

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list that included a list of
administration tasks as well.

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And we went through all of that,
things that we shouldn't, that

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teachers shouldn't be doing,
right?

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And it was this attempt from the
government to say, actually,

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okay, let's have some policy
then top down.

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If we want to change all the
workload, the workloads a real

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problem which which to be
honest, if you hint to the

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people that aren't in teaching
that was realistically the main

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reason people were actually were
actually striking was this job

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is completely unmanageable.
Work, funding and stuff.

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Work is getting great funding.
Wasn't the third one was going

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to come to, but people were like
this job is crazy, like we can't

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do this anymore.
The workload is mad mainly

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because the funding is so bad
and it's all just fallen on us.

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We need some help with the
workload.

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So we did get the Workload
Reduction Task Force and it is

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now an active document on the on
government website.

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Yeah, I feel like I'm playing
devil's advocate a little bit

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here.
I hate that saying, but I agree

451
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,320
with you.
That did come from it.

452
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,720
But then we look at the workload
reduction Task Force, that list

453
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,840
of administrative tasks that
teachers shouldn't do.

454
00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,200
It was actually just a harp back
to the pre austerity era where

455
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,080
that list was just taken away
basically.

456
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,880
And a lot of people have been in
teaching for that long, say this

457
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,360
list is great, but this list
existed and it was scrapped and

458
00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,760
left to schools to decide what
amount of work is acceptable

459
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,280
during the austerity periods.
And that led to obviously

460
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,760
increase in workload.
And then during a time where pay

461
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,680
was stagnant, resentment
increased, recruitment got

462
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,520
worse, retention got worse.
Like it's, it's great again.

463
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,920
Like that restorative approach
of like, OK, we'll put it, We'll

464
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:20,120
put this back in place, which is
all it was really, again, good.

465
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,600
We did get that from the
strikes.

466
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,040
You're right.
I'm going to take that off.

467
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,280
Maybe we can talk later about
how much impact does it actually

468
00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,800
have, But I'll give you that
one.

469
00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,400
The strikes, I think did play a
part restorative, that effort to

470
00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,360
introduce this list again.
So, OK, I'll give you.

471
00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,800
That I really like the idea that
the government will like, yes,

472
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,720
we are going to restore.
And it was, oh, what the pay

473
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,720
you're going to restore.
The pay you're going to restore.

474
00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,280
The payback.
We're going to get like a 15%

475
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,360
pay rise.
We're going to go back to what

476
00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,560
it was.
We are going to restore the list

477
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,400
of things you shouldn't be
doing.

478
00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,960
So we have there is restoration
going on, you know.

479
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:53,680
What you want?
You want pay restoration?

480
00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,640
Yeah.
And you know what?

481
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,360
We're going to give you the
restoration of the fact that you

482
00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:58,880
don't have to do bulk
photocopying.

483
00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,880
Yeah, Thank you.
We're gonna.

484
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:02,520
Thank you so much.
Yeah.

485
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,400
So I'm so glad I striked.
Yeah.

486
00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,120
I'm so glad I struck.
I was going so glad I I struck

487
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:10,320
us to get this list back to get
this list back.

488
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,920
Sorry I'm being horrible,
Hayden.

489
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,800
Anything else on the list?
What did the strikes achieve

490
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,480
Right.
So we also it's very long list

491
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,240
two things yeah I.
Was like with two things.

492
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,760
We got the pay, we've got the
reduction task force list, we've

493
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,280
got the document, the policy,
but also, you know, I think this

494
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,840
has come from the strikes.
I think it may be some other

495
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,680
elements as well.
But the Ofsted is being

496
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,200
reformed.
That is kind of happening at the

497
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,960
moment.
Ofsted will be reformed.

498
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,200
I think there's been talks of
that for a few years.

499
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,720
Anyway.
Ofsted has been like, it's been

500
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,840
the talk of the town, hasn't it?
Quite, quite a bit across

501
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,760
schools for a.
Couple of things have happened

502
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,480
that have contributed to this
conversation.

503
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,200
The Ruth Perry incident, you
know, there's, there's lots of

504
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,680
stuff going on where I don't
necessarily attribute that to

505
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,440
the strikes.
But I think it's filled it.

506
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,680
I think strikes has kind of like
solidified this idea.

507
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,680
Sure, OK.
What offset isn't isn't working.

508
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,760
It doesn't work.
So it has kind of like kick

509
00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,840
started and got that moving
reform.

510
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,640
And it, you know, it did
achieve, yeah, it made my pay

511
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,360
packet lower for a few months
when I was striking and then my

512
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,000
increase in pay has probably
just about made-up for since.

513
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,640
So I'm base level at the minute.
So that was.

514
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,000
Pessimistic, Dylan.
But what about every year

515
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,280
afterwards?
Well then, yeah, that's

516
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:14,880
brilliant.
Cool.

517
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,040
Still less than it was.
OK, so I mean, brilliant.

518
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,280
The strikes did achieve
something.

519
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,000
OK.
Yeah, that is, I'm not going to

520
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,840
deny that because we got more of
a pay rise because of it.

521
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,000
So.
We're going to change our number

522
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,240
from 5%.
I don't, I don't think so Maybe

523
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,160
maybe listeners could could tell
us what their percentage is as

524
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,320
well.
I'd love to know what what

525
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,400
percentage fixes education after
striking it's to me, it's such

526
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,720
an infinitesimally small amount
because of this list that I've

527
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,640
put together, which will now
take probably 7 times as long as

528
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,120
your list.
Yeah, which is?

529
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,280
7 * 5 is only 35%.
More.

530
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,880
So there's a bit of a shortfall
here.

531
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,640
Then all right, we'll see.
We'll see here.

532
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,080
Here are things that I would say
have not changed, which was at

533
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,000
the forefront of my mind when I
was striking and I'm sure many

534
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,240
other people's that part of this
list, you might listen and go,

535
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,440
well, that was nothing to do
with the strikes.

536
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,480
I'm talking about my opinion of
why I felt it was time to go and

537
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,760
strike.
The the the list is never ending

538
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,360
and I still do.
I really do think that nothing

539
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,000
has actually changed.
And after we go through this

540
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,200
list, we'll we'll talk about
what we think is the best thing,

541
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,680
one thing we could do.
Yeah, OK.

542
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,120
So we'll finish it with a bit of
positivity.

543
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,320
Yeah, but listening.
OK, let's go through.

544
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,600
All right, You're gonna start
the list then.

545
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,720
Yeah.
Things that haven't changed

546
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,520
despite striking in schools.
Yep.

547
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,440
Number one, horrendous SEND
provision and funding that that

548
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,840
comes to my mind immediately.
And the reason I put funding in

549
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,480
there is because you're right,
when we, when we did go on

550
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,920
strike, there were two prongs to
it, 2 main prongs to striking.

551
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520
And it was both to do a funding
and they were both equally

552
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,240
important.
And the media picked up on our

553
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,680
want for a pay rise and tried to
demonise us because of it.

554
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,760
But alongside that, and
honestly, if not more important

555
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,520
to most people striking was
funding for schools.

556
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,880
Not to put, not to put in
teachers pockets, but to fix the

557
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,520
crisis that we have every single
day in school in about 7

558
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,920
different areas.
And the number one area for me

559
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:01,600
is SEND provision and funding.
That is the number one impact on

560
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,560
me as a teacher that I have is
the lack of funding, the lack of

561
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,680
help, the lack of care.
And if, if I was to whittle it

562
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,720
down to the job of a Senko SEND
Co, however you want to say it,

563
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,520
the person who's in charge of
these children in school, they

564
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,240
are at breaking point for so
many reasons #1 they're trying

565
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,080
to help too many children with
no funding whatsoever.

566
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:27,200
They can't do it.
It's impossible #2 they are of

567
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,400
very often a senko is doing
another job in school.

568
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,920
They're very, very rare.
Do you find someone who is just

569
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,480
a senko for one school?
If they're in one school, maybe

570
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,080
they're the senko and the
assistant head teacher, or they

571
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,040
also have a set of maths in the
morning or they have some

572
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,160
teaching responsibility.
It it.

573
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,680
You can't have that in this day
and age with the amount of needs

574
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080
that we have or the needs that
we're finding and we're being

575
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,640
diagnosed now more than ever.
Or they are just the Senko, but

576
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,160
they might work in a trust and
they're across 3 or 4 schools

577
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,840
and they have thousands of
children that they simply cannot

578
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,200
support properly.
And filtering it down even

579
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,280
further, from my point of view
as a teacher, I see that from

580
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,440
the Senko.
I feel horrible for them.

581
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,400
But then it's passed on to me to
solve in my own class where I

582
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,880
might have 3456 diagnosis of
children who absolutely need

583
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,720
support and help and I can't
give it to them.

584
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,000
So from my point of view, that's
not changed remotely because of

585
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,080
the strikes.
And that's a big thing that's

586
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,400
that's contributing to burnout
and stress and teachers who just

587
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,520
want to help people.
That's what we want.

588
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,680
We want to help these children
and we physically can't do it.

589
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,840
A big problem with the funding,
just think about the funding

590
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,480
because I actually didn't do it
justice earlier when I when I

591
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,640
mentioned how we're striking for
pay rises because they've been

592
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,160
stagnant for so long.
A big part of this problem that

593
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,360
was never really put into the
media property was that it

594
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,840
wasn't just that teachers wanted
more of a pay rise and like they

595
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,600
weren't getting anything because
they were getting like, you

596
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,800
know, a couple of percent each
year.

597
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,200
But the problem was it was net
it was wasn't funded.

598
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,560
That was that was like the
biggest part of it was like, we

599
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,040
want it to be fully funded
because it because what's

600
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,800
happened over the last decade is
the government of like, yeah,

601
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,760
right.
Then you can have a bit of a pay

602
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,120
rise.
No more money though.

603
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,920
And the schools like, sorry,
what do you mean by that?

604
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,160
They're like, yeah, just
reshuffle, just reshuffle.

605
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,600
Just just move your money around
and find the pay rise for the

606
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,160
teachers.
OK.

607
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,760
OK, so I'm going to employ A1
less TA then.

608
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,640
Is that what you're saying?
So if I have to pay the

609
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,280
teachers, but I have to take the
money from somewhere else.

610
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,280
So the biggest problem, and this
is this is what has happened

611
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,240
with SENDS so badly is the
money's gone.

612
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,960
Like they got, you know, there
was a pot of money for SEND and

613
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,120
it got the government are like
take some of it for this.

614
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,400
OK, well, now we've got a small
take some of it for this now.

615
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,440
Now we've got a smaller pot.
Yeah, just take some of it.

616
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,480
I'm not going to give you
anything.

617
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,720
We just want you to use the
money you've got and just and

618
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,680
just put it elsewhere.
And now it's down to you how you

619
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,280
use your money.
So it's actually not our fault

620
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,880
at.
All yeah, and and what happened

621
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520
is obviously there's just no
money left in any of the pots in

622
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,640
school and SEND is is in a dire
state.

623
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000
And I agree.
I think it's I can't emphasise

624
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,760
your points enough.
I think it's so, so, so bad to

625
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,120
speak to anyone in education
right now.

626
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,480
It's that critical break
breaking point.

627
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Children are children's needs
are not being met.

628
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,280
I'm not afraid to say that.
Are some children's needs being

629
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,160
met?
Of course they are.

630
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,880
But are there lots of children's
needs who aren't being met

631
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,160
adequately?
Definitely.

632
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,400
Across the country, thousands
and thousands of thousands of

633
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240
kids are going without the
support they need.

634
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,120
And that is directly
contributing to the conscience

635
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,640
of the teacher.
Why is the teacher in the

636
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,600
classroom?
We've said it a million times.

637
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,960
It's obviously not just pay.
When we talk about pay and

638
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,560
wanting an increase in our pay,
we're talking about just wanting

639
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,040
to be where we were.
We're not talking about wanting

640
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,240
to become a millionaire.
We didn't get into teaching

641
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,160
because we think we're going to
become rich from doing it.

642
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,680
We just want to be able to
sustain a family in this modern

643
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,440
society, right?
So if we're a teacher, it's

644
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,880
fundamentally because we care
about the children and what

645
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,240
we're seeing with our own eyes
and witnessing everyday is, is

646
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,000
just eating away and our
conscience because we're seeing

647
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,360
children in general as a whole
profession who aren't getting

648
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,000
what they need, like you said.
And and that is going to have an

649
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800
effect where you've got a choice
to make at the end of the day.

650
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,160
Number one, you accept it and
you feel awful #2 you burn

651
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,680
yourself out trying to make do
what you can for all these

652
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,400
children.
And it's physically impossible.

653
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,080
And it's a never ending job.
And it ends up with you leaving

654
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,840
the professional being burned
out or having a breakdown.

655
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,160
That's where we're at and I
don't.

656
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,240
My overall point here is that
did not change.

657
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,120
And that has such a bigger
impact to me than someone

658
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,720
writing a list that already
existed 10 years ago and saying

659
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,920
that I no longer have to
organise a.

660
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,960
Trip.
Yeah, exactly.

661
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,320
So actually it outweighs, you
know, I joke it's about 5

662
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,560
percent, 35%.
But you know what this is a huge

663
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,200
chunk of and a lot of people
were striking for this.

664
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,880
And it did get bandied with just
funding.

665
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,040
But really a lot of people were
striking because they're saying

666
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,240
the funding is bad and loads of
kids are suffering in my class.

667
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,520
So can we like, can we stop
that?

668
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,000
Can we have more funding for
that, please?

669
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Yeah.
Exactly.

670
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,640
Well, link to funding is the
next thing on my list really,

671
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,320
which is is just the acceptance
of the amount of children in

672
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,720
each class.
It's become normal to say 32

673
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
children in my class now.
I know across the country, some

674
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,200
people listening to this podcast
right now, but might even be

675
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,520
thinking, well, I have 28 in my
class or 26 even.

676
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,280
But it's becoming more and more
normal in your classroom to have

677
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,280
32 children.
I have never had fewer than 32

678
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,400
children in my class.
I've had 3233, even 34

679
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,120
sometimes.
And I think we really need to

680
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,560
strip it back and just forget
everything that we say is, oh,

681
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,560
it's just how it's always been.
Just get rid of all of these

682
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,200
preconceptions we have about
what's normal.

683
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:28,320
Having 32 7 year olds in front
of you in a room, all of

684
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,720
individual needs with no support
and just you as a teacher.

685
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,480
It is insane that we think that
we're going to get amazing

686
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,000
outcomes for each child in that
situation.

687
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,360
What are your thoughts on class
size?

688
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,280
I think class size, I think it's
just expectation.

689
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,680
I think it is like, if we're all
happy as a as a culture and a

690
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,720
country, if we're all happy to
be like, yeah, we just, we just

691
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,480
give pretty bad provision to
these 32 kids and we're like,

692
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,720
yeah, and then we're OK with
that.

693
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,080
It's all right then That's what
you want.

694
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,600
That's what you've built.
We have 32 kids and they're and

695
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,800
they are getting a very subpar
education because of it.

696
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,640
But really no one thinks that.
It's like, well, we all actually

697
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080
don't want that, do we really?
So let's stop being like, well,

698
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,840
this country has 40 kids.
In their past.

699
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,360
Have you heard about Australia?
Have you heard about Indonesia?

700
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:17,000
They have that, okay?
I honestly don't care.

701
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,320
I genuinely don't care, okay,
That sounds dreadful.

702
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,960
That sounds even worse.
And also, I don't know all the

703
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,040
nuances to what they're doing.
There's probably loads of other

704
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,120
elements that change those
things.

705
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,600
They got 40, they got 60 days,
okay.

706
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,920
Or they're in a culture where
the children are of a level

707
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,280
where they don't have as many
needs because they have a

708
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,920
culture where maybe they have
schools that are special

709
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,400
educational schools that are
properly funded.

710
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,160
And then shouldn't a?
Lot more differentiation through

711
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,760
school or something or class, I
don't know.

712
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,760
Or or it is dreadful and worse.
It might be worse.

713
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,840
Yeah, cool.
But you know what?

714
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,320
Just because something's worse
doesn't mean I'm gonna shut up.

715
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Yeah.
And say that this bad thing's OK

716
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Now take.
What you get, what you're given,

717
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,640
mate, you come on, stop.
Racing the bottom.

718
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:52,920
Some people like worse.
Exactly.

719
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,960
We always talk about this race
to the bottom and we just need

720
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,640
to stop doing it.
So toxic.

721
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,040
If you do that, stop it.
If you know someone else that

722
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,640
does it, tell them to stop, say
or.

723
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,480
Just because someone else is
worse doesn't mean we're not in

724
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,520
a bad situation and see what
they exactly.

725
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,920
So yeah, I think 32.
I really genuinely think 32 kids

726
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,160
in a class probability wise, the
chances are it's going to be

727
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,040
dire.
I think you can get lucky.

728
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,040
I think there are probably
teachers listening to this

729
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,600
thinking I've got 32 and
actually it's not so bad.

730
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,080
You know what, You're probably
just quite lucky that maybe you

731
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,200
don't have eight kids on the
HCPS who all have really

732
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,720
individual needs and you just
can't meet them.

733
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,840
Yeah, that's, that's tricky.
And I've spoken to, it's a

734
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,800
dangerous game.
I've spoken to SLT about this in

735
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,240
the past, people who are
literally making decisions to

736
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,960
act children to the role and
I've spoken to them about it and

737
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,080
they don't want to do it.
They don't want to do it.

738
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,160
But each child comes with X
amount of money that the school

739
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,240
get free funding.
I think it's about 4000 lbs

740
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280
roughly let's say give or take
per child that you take in.

741
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,000
That's how much more funding
your schools gets to meet their

742
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,760
needs.
If you cut class sizes from 32

743
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,640
down to 24, right?
That's eight children.

744
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,720
That's about 32 grand.
That's someone's job.

745
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520
So you've got to make a choice.
Then, because of the dire

746
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,080
situation of funding, which by
the way, is why we went on

747
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,120
strike directly, because of the
lack of funding, we're getting

748
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,240
either a choice between 24
children in your class but we

749
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,800
lose even more support, or 32
children in a class.

750
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,600
You still don't get support of
the TA, but the TA can be bought

751
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600
for something else in the school
that's needed maybe.

752
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Yeah, I was about to say.
I was hoping you were going to

753
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,920
say you either get first two
kids in ATA or 24 kids of that

754
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,680
one.
And the actual dire reality is

755
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,400
we're already at the park now.
We're already long gone from

756
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,440
that because that's what used to
be.

757
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,200
We're now at the point where
it's 30 two kids and no TA.

758
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,440
Or you could have maybe 40 kids
in ATA.

759
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,120
Like really?
That's probably the next option,

760
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,520
isn't it?
Like we're already at the dire

761
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,800
situation of the worst of both.
It's what you said about stuff

762
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,760
being taken out slowly over
time.

763
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,240
Yeah, exactly.
We needed that more funding.

764
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,560
It's not fully funded.
Six years down the line, no one

765
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080
can have ATA anymore.
Our Tasmania aren't that

766
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,360
important.
Well, you'll get on with it.

767
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,720
No, they are.
They're vital.

768
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,200
They are.
They're really, really vital.

769
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,840
And if you happen to have a kid
that just needs 1 to one support

770
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,840
in your class and you don't have
ATA, what are you going to do?

771
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,560
You just go basically going to
stand there.

772
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,680
You're going to try your hardest
to do something for them.

773
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400
It's probably not going to be
objectively good enough.

774
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,640
And what are the other 31
children doing at this point?

775
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,840
And.
You're going to feel terrible.

776
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,040
I don't know.
I think it's been very negative

777
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,960
right now.
But no, no, no.

778
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
I think it's important.
It has to be through the lens of

779
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,040
it's honest.
Yeah, honesty and genuinely just

780
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,760
what these kids need and that is
what the forefront of

781
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,920
everything.
Who's going to fight for these

782
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,600
kids if if we just pretend it's
all OK?

783
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Yeah, honestly, I crack on.
Chin up on chin up.

784
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,720
Yeah, OK, cool shoulders, mate.
But they are, they are literally

785
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,480
not getting what they need.
And that eats away at me.

786
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,320
It eats away at me honestly all
the time.

787
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,760
And I just think this is a
losing battle and and nothing

788
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,680
changed because of the strikes.
We're still in that situation

789
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,760
where this is a huge part of my
job that affects me every day.

790
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,000
That has not changed.
And it has to.

791
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,440
It just has to unless we're OK
with it, and I don't think we

792
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,120
are.
So we.

793
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Went on strike.
Denham class sizes are still

794
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,600
horrendous.
Absolutely zero more funding for

795
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,760
SEND.
They're still suffering

796
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,640
massively.
What else didn't change?

797
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Was that it?
For me, yeah, workload, it's not

798
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:01,560
changed I.
Wanted to know we had that.

799
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,000
There's a policy like I didn't
read it.

800
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,920
We read it out on this list.
There's a reduction.

801
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Task force.
So there's two things, there's

802
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,360
two things going on here.
I think more than 50% of

803
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,480
educators, if you want to spoke
to them, I'm predicting here

804
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,720
over 50% of educators, teachers
wouldn't know what you were

805
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,040
talking about if you mentioned
the workload reduction task

806
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,440
force list, right?
Because I know this, I don't

807
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
know this, but I'm making this
presumption because of the

808
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,800
amount of people I've asked,
have you heard about this?

809
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,840
And the overwhelming majority
say no, but they don't know

810
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,040
about it.
It's not been made into, it's

811
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,400
been slipped into the report,
it's been slipped into the

812
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920
contracts that we might have as
teachers, but it's not being

813
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,680
implemented whatsoever.
So there's two strings to the

814
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,720
workload.
Bow OK, that that

815
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,360
administrative, administrative
task thing we're talking about

816
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,600
doesn't have anything to do with
planning and marking and stuff.

817
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,440
So let's just park that for.
OK, we'll talk about that in a.

818
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Minute, the administrative side,
it's brilliant that we've got

819
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,520
this list back, which by the way
existed, just going to say that

820
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,720
again, but we've got this list
back.

821
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,880
It's not being implemented.
That's that's that's first up

822
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,920
straight away.
OK, one thing in the list that

823
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,800
it says teachers should not be
expected to do to try and avoid

824
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,960
burnout and excessive workload.
One thing on the list displays

825
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,400
I've not spoken to a single
person 1 to one in any school.

826
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,760
Where they don't have to do
displays anymore?

827
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,000
Yeah.
Has anyone reached out to you

828
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,960
and said, my school, we used to
do loads of displays and now

829
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,960
we've got a new policy that says
we don't have to do them at all.

830
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,120
No, I've I've.
Seen online one person say that

831
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760
their school went down the route
of no displays in the at all.

832
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,680
Now because of it, I've seen
that online.

833
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,560
What I'm talking about is in my
engagement through listeners,

834
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,560
through Instagram, through just
people that I've seen like

835
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,360
friends that I've got that work
in different schools.

836
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,480
I I've I've not heard one person
say that they now don't do

837
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240
displays.
Yeah, they've not talked about a

838
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,040
change in that.
School.

839
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,240
No, it's still an expectation.
It's the exact same.

840
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,360
So this administrative list is
call how much of an impact has

841
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,320
that actually had though?
So you're talking about that's

842
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,240
something that strikes got us.
I'm now saying, OK, cool, it got

843
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120
us it, but what's it actually
changed minimal.

844
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,360
And you know why?
And do you know what?

845
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,960
So I'm quick to blame the school
sometimes with this sort of

846
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,960
thing.
But I with this, the, the

847
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,639
reaction I've had right, from
people who maybe have different

848
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,320
opinions to me is OK, who's
going to do it then?

849
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,639
And when I don't have an answer
to that question because there's

850
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,000
no funding to get someone else
to do those things, I am always

851
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,760
stumped.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't

852
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,520
know.
I think it's broken.

853
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,159
The government, the government
needs to give us more money.

854
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,560
We can't do this.
We can't stop doing this list of

855
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,280
stuff without the money.
Because you know what?

856
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,320
The irony is there because if we
could, we probably just would

857
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,320
have done that already anyway.
But if we could just stop doing

858
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,800
those things, like are we that
babyish that we need the

859
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,880
government to say stop doing?
These things, well, it's funny

860
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
you should ask that because I
think in some situations we are

861
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,760
as a profession.
Do you think I really do.

862
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,679
I really think, for example,
that there's a bit of martyrdom

863
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,920
in teaching sometimes and and
there's stuff that we could do

864
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,239
less of immediately that we just
collectively don't because we

865
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,080
say it's what we've always done.
It's what needs to happen.

866
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,720
This is the policy.
I hate that as an answer

867
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,800
whenever anyone comes back to an
answer of why have you not done

868
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,880
this?
Oh, because I did XYZ instead.

869
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,160
And I thought that was more
important.

870
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080
If ever the answer to that is,
well, it's the policy.

871
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,200
That's not an argument.
What do you what do you think

872
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,680
I'm going to say to that?
Change the policy.

873
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Change the policy then, because
the policy's wrong, just because

874
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,800
it's written on a piece of paper
saved on a, on an area somewhere

875
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,280
and you've got the school badge
on it doesn't suddenly mean it's

876
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,160
OK or acceptable or correct or
right or the thing we should do.

877
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,960
So that's just not an argument
to me because I just just like

878
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,320
you said, come back and change
the policy then.

879
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,720
And, and it is with some of the
administrative stuff, like for

880
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,120
examples, displays, OK, keep the
same display for a year or two.

881
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Yeah.
You know, there are some people

882
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440
in the school, there are some
people in the school who will

883
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,360
go, oh God, that displays.
It was the same as last term.

884
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,280
We've got to change it.
Stop.

885
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Why do we have?
Why?

886
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,840
Is it because we've just always
changed every time?

887
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,160
Well, that's not a reason.
We've got a list of stuff we

888
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,960
don't have to do.
Now have you got other stuff

889
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,520
that you'd rather go and do?
Oh yeah, you've got planning to

890
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,040
go and do.
Oh my God, go and do your

891
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,600
planning.
Oh, you've got marking you've

892
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,200
got to do because that's the
policy of the school.

893
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Well, that Trump's making a new
display for a display that is

894
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,480
absolutely fine that you just in
your head have decided needs to

895
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,360
change now because it's what
we've always done.

896
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,280
That's where we need to take
control a bit more and SLT need

897
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,920
to take control a bit more and
just say we're not going to do

898
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,160
that.
Then I agree.

899
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,840
You've all been on strike.
We'd like to action the fact

900
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,240
that workload was a huge problem
and loads of teachers are

901
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,240
quitting because of it.
We accept that.

902
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,160
It's really serious.
Here's something we can do.

903
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,560
The perfect situation would be
we get more funding and we

904
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,720
employ a resource manager who
comes in and does our displays

905
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:32,880
for us.
That would be great.

906
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,960
We don't have that money because
the government don't actually

907
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,520
want to fix it.
So what we're going to do as a

908
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,320
middle ground, because we really
care, is you don't have to do

909
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,120
this anymore.
Rather than doing changing your

910
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080
displays once a term, we're just
going to ask you to change them

911
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,640
once a year and we're going to
give you a day out of class once

912
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,520
per year to do that.
There you go.

913
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,080
We've changed the policy, we've
changed expectation.

914
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,760
Hopefully that makes you enjoy
your job a bit.

915
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,240
More, which is still a
compromise because it would

916
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,200
still be fair enough for a
teacher to stand around and say

917
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,800
but I don't have to do them.
It's literally in this list.

918
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,240
Who in their right mind as a
teacher would actually do that?

919
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,560
I think not many.
No, if you've been given time

920
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,560
out to do it.
Exactly.

921
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,680
It's a job.
Get on.

922
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,160
With it, I completely agree with
you.

923
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,240
So yeah, if there's time out to
do the job, I do pretty much

924
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,080
anything.
Yeah, you'll be, you are.

925
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,160
But you've got to remember that
something I think we get a bit

926
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,400
entitled.
Sometimes as teachers.

927
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,320
It's like you are actually being
paid to be in this building

928
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,400
though.
So do you know what if your

929
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,200
manager has said to you, you're
not in class today and you're

930
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,320
doing this really boring other
job, That's what you're doing.

931
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,440
That's.
What we do, because we're human

932
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440
beings as well.
The other day I mentioned we did

933
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,240
some pizza cooking, right?
The floor was a mess.

934
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,280
It was a mess.
It was like 5:15.

935
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,720
The floor was a mess, right?
I remember right to walk out,

936
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,520
I'm sure, but what person would
do that?

937
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,640
I went and got the Hoover at
5:15 and I hoovered my room.

938
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,400
I'm not, I'm not above anything.
I'm not above doing a display.

939
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,760
Don't don't think that teachers
have this attitude of well, I,

940
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,000
I'm above this.
It's not in my payroll.

941
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,320
I'm not going to do it anymore.
No, no, we're just fed up of

942
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,160
years and years and years of
expectations, expectations and

943
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,960
it's showing itself sometimes
and people being like, no, but

944
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,240
really we are human beings.
We're going to do whatever we

945
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,160
need to do in the classroom.
We're not above anything.

946
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,440
We're just workers, employees
like everyone else in the

947
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,640
building.
I'll Hoover the.

948
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,280
Of course I'll Hoover of course.
I'll do a display if you give me

949
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,240
time out in the morning to do
it.

950
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,720
If you don't know, you've got a
choice to make.

951
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,120
Yeah, I'm even going to mark
these books or I'm going to do

952
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,520
the display because I'm already
doing stuff outside of school.

953
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,400
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
I'm already doing my out of

954
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,680
directed hours for planning a
market.

955
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,840
But going back to your original
point, you're right, the

956
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,680
martyrdom culture, and I know
I've mentioned this quite a few

957
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,000
times episode, it does kill me.
It really kills my soul.

958
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,280
Like I struggle so hard to
interact with people because I,

959
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,200
because most people I know are
in that culture.

960
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,640
Like realistically, most people
don't sit here on what guys and

961
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,360
have a good moan or don't go to
school and try and change

962
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,320
things.
They generally just crack on

963
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,000
with it and be like, well, it's
gonna get done.

964
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,280
Most people I'd say are martyrs
to this job.

965
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,120
I find it really tough because I
can't get through to them.

966
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,680
I'm just sort of like, we
literally went on strike.

967
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,320
That's how passionate we were
about changing this.

968
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,520
And, and you're not even willing
to just be like to, to have a

969
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,360
debate about whether you should
do this work or not.

970
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,560
And you're just going to take,
you're going to take workload

971
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,760
home like every day and every
week.

972
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,040
And like, I don't know that the
martyrdom culture needs, needs

973
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,280
to change.
And it hasn't changed.

974
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,600
So that's still there.
I'd say people still think they

975
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,240
have, they should live and
breathe the job.

976
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,040
That's the only way to be a good
teacher.

977
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Because I've told you online,
remember, you're only a good

978
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,360
teacher if you don't.
Don't because that everyone went

979
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,400
free in my head, living rent
free in my head.

980
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,920
Yeah.
And you know what?

981
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,560
Let's just get to the macro
level here.

982
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,520
I suppose a couple of big things
that we can just list off public

983
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,840
perception, and I don't think
it's changed.

984
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,320
If anything has got worse, how
much we actually care about

985
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,920
that?
That's down to each teacher, I

986
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,640
suppose.
Teachers are never going to be

987
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,960
the most club profession in the
world because of the optics of

988
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,600
us having so many breaks and
holidays.

989
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Whatever, OK, I'm not going to
change the mind of the public.

990
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600
I didn't actually expect the
strikes to do that either.

991
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Brilliant.
That's I'm not attributing that

992
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
to the strikes failing.
Like if anything did it's job,

993
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,600
if people thought we were worse
than ever before, cool.

994
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,040
We're getting the message
through that we want to do that

995
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,200
funding in general.
I know we've we've touched on

996
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,960
it.
Everything runs through funding

997
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,680
that that we we need more than
we'll ever get.

998
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,200
Yeah.
And and I don't think we'll get

999
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,440
too broken.
It's too broken.

1000
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,480
It's like.
We're trying to feel like

1001
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,680
there's nothing, nothing's
happened yet.

1002
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,200
Has it really?
We're funding.

1003
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,160
It's not really.
Happened the the pay rise this

1004
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,600
year or last year was fully
funded?

1005
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,440
Fully funded, yeah.
So call you got the extra you

1006
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,000
didn't have to take out above,
but but that's great.

1007
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,680
I'm I'm not I'm not actually out
to try and not take money from

1008
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,720
my budget, though.
I'm out to increase my budget

1009
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,920
for these things.
So you saying to me that teacher

1010
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,200
pay rises are outside of having
to take stuff out and.

1011
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,320
Everything else is still done.
But that's the baseline

1012
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,320
expectation.
Of course, my pay should not be

1013
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,320
taken out of the SEND provision
or The Breakfast Club provision

1014
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,760
or the iPads that we need to
learn and and produce work with

1015
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,600
the children.
Like that's just the baseline.

1016
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,280
But it's been seen as an amazing
thing.

1017
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,760
All of a sudden what it's
funded.

1018
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,760
Isn't that fantastic what you
want?

1019
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,320
Yeah, yeah, 1 of 50 things that
needs to be funded, yeah.

1020
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Literally it's.
Like, let's get to the big one.

1021
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Yeah, let's get to the big one.
One of the biggest reasons

1022
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,080
people were striking was to make
a stand and make a point because

1023
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,000
we are losing teachers like the
we have a real retention crisis.

1024
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,840
People are quitting and you know
what?

1025
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,120
People aren't signing up either.
So we have a recruitment and

1026
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,440
retention crisis.
And part of the strike was to be

1027
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,560
like screaming at the
government.

1028
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,480
This needs to be fixed.
So what are your opinions on

1029
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,120
that?
Has that changed?

1030
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,320
Is recruitment and retention in
a different place two years ago

1031
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,440
in your opinion?
No, I think if you look at the

1032
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,440
numbers, I think it's tracking
pretty much as was.

1033
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,880
It's not really shifted either
way, right.

1034
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,720
I don't think it's got much lots
worse.

1035
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,520
I think that's true.
I think the 6.5 percent, 5.5%,

1036
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,720
the starting salary has been
increased.

1037
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,920
I think that's helped a bit with
recruitment, but I don't see at

1038
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,520
all how retention has been
helped whatsoever.

1039
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,160
And really, if you really want
the huge impact, of course we

1040
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,640
need people through the door
with amazing young teachers.

1041
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,880
There are so many incredibly
young teachers.

1042
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,800
So it is 5050, this problem and
I think retention, sorry,

1043
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,560
recruitment still needs a lot of
work, but I think that was the

1044
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,840
first step to increase, you
know, get it in line with

1045
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,600
graduate jobs.
It was.

1046
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,800
Like we're going to recruit.
There's many more new teachers.

1047
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,920
Yeah, I mean, I, I again, maybe
we'll talk about that, but I'm

1048
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,400
not sure that's still working,
you know, but but I, I can come

1049
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,960
from it from a retention point
of view, being a teacher who's

1050
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,720
done it for just about 10 years
now, I am no different

1051
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,400
whatsoever.
In my opinion, having having

1052
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,320
gone on strike to now it, it, my
opinion hasn't remotely changed

1053
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,560
on where I am in terms of should
I stay in this job forever?

1054
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Should should I continue with
it?

1055
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Is this a is, is So I've got to,
right?

1056
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,920
If I'm thinking about whether
I'm going to stay in teaching or

1057
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,040
not, and if I'm thinking of
retention is fixed or not, I've

1058
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,000
got to ask myself, is it worth
putting myself through this

1059
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,920
every year in a system that I
think is completely broken, that

1060
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,280
I think no one is seriously
actually trying to fix that?

1061
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,520
I feel like I'm fighting a
losing battle every single day

1062
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,520
when I'm saying I this is not
working.

1063
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,720
I don't want to do that because
it doesn't help my kids.

1064
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,560
This helps my kids and if I do
that as well, I'm going to end

1065
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,040
up being completely burnt out
and I'm already mentally burnt

1066
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,560
out because I can't help the
children in the way that I want

1067
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,520
to because I don't have the
provision or the funding to do

1068
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,680
so.
So I, I am at the point where

1069
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,920
I'm just think to myself, I'm,
I've lost.

1070
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,240
I've lost then I've lost this
game.

1071
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,760
I'm trying to play this game.
I'm trying to fix stuff from the

1072
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,600
inside.
I'm trying to crack on and bang

1073
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,320
on, but literally is nothing.
Nothing is changing and the

1074
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,320
machine is too big and I can't
fix the machine.

1075
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,160
So there's two options.
I break myself staying in the

1076
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,000
machine for the next 1015 years
of my life and I just become a

1077
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,000
robot just hoping please change,
please change or I'd leave.

1078
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,680
If I leave, I'm admitting
defeat, but I think that's the

1079
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,000
only option because either way
nothing's going to change, so

1080
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,800
I've got to put myself first.
Wow, Yeah, that was that was

1081
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,880
deep.
I think that's true though.

1082
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,800
I really do.
I hate it.

1083
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,880
I hate that I'm in that
position.

1084
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,120
I really resent that.
I hate I like I I actually get

1085
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,360
down about thinking about it
that I just I I don't, I don't

1086
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,640
know what I can do as a you're.
Very, very, very competitive.

1087
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,240
And I think that has a big part
playing your mind because I

1088
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,120
think for you, you know, the the
we're set this podcast for us is

1089
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,440
a way is a way of us trying to
help fix it, trying to say, hey,

1090
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,880
we need to stand up together to
do this thing, right?

1091
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,440
That's a lot of the time.
That's what we're trying to do

1092
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,800
with this podcast.
And yeah, you're right, the idea

1093
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,760
that it's doing nothing and
nothing's changing because it,

1094
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,760
because it's too broken and and
there's too much martyrdom

1095
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,280
still.
And we can't seem to get through

1096
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,200
to enough people to actually
have an impact and stand up

1097
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,520
unified and be like, hey, by the
way, we all agree none of us are

1098
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,240
doing this anymore.
So either change of policy or

1099
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,480
fire all of us.
Good luck.

1100
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,640
You know, it's kind of at that
point and it, yeah, it's, it's

1101
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,720
depressing when it's been, you
know, nearly two years and it's

1102
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,440
like, yeah, absolutely nothing
has changed.

1103
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Absolutely nothing has changed.
So that's why I think going back

1104
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,560
to your 5%, I actually think
that was generous.

1105
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,800
I really do.
I think the the reason is part

1106
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,160
of that 5%.
Talk about the money, OK, We're

1107
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,920
saying what the strikes haven't
done, right.

1108
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,360
It hasn't remotely increased my
purchasing power or got it back

1109
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,480
to where it should be based on
the years and years of this job.

1110
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,240
Because of inflation, I'm still
poorer at the end of every month

1111
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,680
than I was when I went on
strike.

1112
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,000
Because of inflation, because my
mortgage has gone up, because my

1113
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,040
food bill has gone up, because
my energy bill has gone up.

1114
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,760
All of these I'm poorer now than
I was two years.

1115
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,800
Ago.
Yeah, you've got less spending.

1116
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,600
It didn't even do that, which
we're saying is a good thing.

1117
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,960
I don't have as much money as I
used to have.

1118
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,480
That's a big thing for me
because that means my family get

1119
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,600
less things.
I'm less likely to go on

1120
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,720
holiday.
I need that time when I have my

1121
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:34,360
school holidays just go away and
do something.

1122
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,280
Oh, what's that?
Holidays are twice as expensive

1123
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,160
and you have half as much money
leftover at the end of the

1124
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,440
month.
All right, I'll just sit in my

1125
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,280
cave for a week and wait to go
back to school then.

1126
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,720
Honestly, I don't it's, it's
completely broken and I don't

1127
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,080
think it's changed at all.
And I'm just like, cool, if, if

1128
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,120
we did all of that right, that
was the biggest bit of

1129
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,640
collective action we could have
possibly done.

1130
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,880
So many teachers I know agreed
to go and strike, right?

1131
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,760
If you didn't agree to go and
strike and you think it's fine,

1132
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,680
that's your prerogative.
I think you're wrong, but

1133
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,160
whatever.
Loads of teachers did choose to

1134
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,720
go on strike because they wanted
to make a change.

1135
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,120
The amount of those teachers who
right now are just shrugging

1136
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,360
their shoulders and saying well
no, well we'll crack a ride.

1137
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,440
If we can't even get that level
of support from people on the

1138
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,000
ground, then what can I do?
That's that's that's my personal

1139
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,880
opinion.
What can I do then?

1140
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,960
I can't even get these people to
to have that level that they had

1141
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,360
when they went on strike.
You what you chose to go on

1142
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,320
strike, but you can't even bring
yourself to do what I see is a

1143
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,120
much lower threshold of just not
doing something.

1144
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,480
You know, the irony is now, and
maybe this is where your brain

1145
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,560
is at, right?
You're kind.

1146
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,080
The way you're describing this
to me, and I do feel very

1147
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,800
similar by the way, is that
we're kind of at the place where

1148
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,120
we now have a choice.
We can choose to be a martyr

1149
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,560
because we know it's not
changing.

1150
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,560
So if we stay in it, if we stay
in this machine, we're martyring

1151
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,040
ourselves because we know it
won't change.

1152
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,600
So we're choosing to do
something even though we know

1153
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,520
it's bad.
Or we leave the machine, which

1154
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,440
we don't want to do.
Well, I want.

1155
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Option 3, which is to fix the
machine and what, what is just

1156
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,320
getting me so down and in the
front of my head constantly is I

1157
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,440
can't do it.
I don't have the resources or

1158
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,640
ability to change the machine.
And that's what I want to do.

1159
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,680
So wind me up because now I've
got 2 choices out of three that

1160
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,880
I don't want and I've got to
pick one of them.

1161
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,760
And at some point you've got to
pick yourself.

1162
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,200
And I just, I, I've been so
honest on this podcast a million

1163
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,520
times.
I feel like I'm on the road to

1164
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,880
not doing this job anymore.
And when that decision is made

1165
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,080
ultimately, because it will be
at some point, I don't know when

1166
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,600
the reason I'm hanging on to
this job so much is because I

1167
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,320
bloody love it.
I want to help the children and

1168
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,800
I love teaching.
But I, I know that there's going

1169
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,640
to be a point in my life and I
don't know when that point is

1170
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,600
that I will decide to quit
teaching.

1171
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,840
And that makes me sad.
I don't like it.

1172
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,160
I don't, I don't anticipate
that.

1173
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,280
I don't, I don't love it.
There's a lot of people quit

1174
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,760
teaching.
They're like, oh, I can't wait

1175
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,560
for that day that I can quit.
I don't want to quit, but I'm

1176
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,280
going to because it's not
working.

1177
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,680
It's broken.
It's just an industry that is

1178
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,160
not going to be fixed anytime
soon.

1179
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,600
Wow.
Well, thank you for your very

1180
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,800
honest reflections.
I think that's really

1181
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,520
interesting.
I think we should leave that

1182
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,760
segment there.
Yeah, OK, cool.

1183
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Should we play the Jingle and
then talk about OK, realistic,

1184
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,680
then what would we?
What's the one thing we changed?

1185
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,080
Yeah.
All right, Dylan.

1186
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,520
So I think we accept that
funding is is not on the cards.

1187
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,560
It's not happening.
But you seem passionate about

1188
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,000
change still.
You want to see that change.

1189
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,800
What can we do then?
What's What's one thing that we

1190
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,400
could still do?
We have to accept defeat.

1191
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,280
Or is there something we could
do even without money to help

1192
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,640
fix this broken machine?
It's linked back to what we've

1193
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,120
been saying.
I think the the the Strand,

1194
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,600
anyone listening probably thinks
they already know what I'm going

1195
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,800
to say.
It is the attitude and culture

1196
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,480
inside of schools.
I think that could be really

1197
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,240
powerful to make a change.
It's got to be collective.

1198
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,680
It has to be collective as it
won't work even if half your

1199
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,360
staff are choosing to not do
something and say no.

1200
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,480
We're going to draw a line but
the other half are doing it

1201
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,360
still.
It just creates a divide in your

1202
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,080
staff team.
It's got to be from the top

1203
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,600
down, It's got to be collective.
It's got to be from the people

1204
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,080
in charge of the school as well
as the people from the bottom

1205
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,440
being willing to say no.
If we can change that culture

1206
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,640
and attitude and honestly
actually start whittling down

1207
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,720
workload and looking at what's
taking people at the time and

1208
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,800
having an open and frank
conversation with each other.

1209
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,920
I know so many teachers who talk
to each other a lot and moan a

1210
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,360
lot to between each other about
how much work they've got to do

1211
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,720
outside of school where the SLT
genuinely have no idea that's a

1212
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,680
thing.
And it's not even the SLT

1213
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,040
knowing it and turning a blind
eye, which I think is bad.

1214
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,480
It's not obviously not the SLT
knowing it and pushing it and

1215
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,640
saying tough, you've got to do
it.

1216
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,000
It is honestly a bunch of people
in leadership who simply do not

1217
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,960
know the impact that certain
policies and planning and

1218
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,680
marking is having on on
teachers.

1219
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,160
Open up that dialogue, talk
about it frankly, all be on the

1220
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,360
same page that we're going to
actually reduce it.

1221
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,360
And from the top down, tell
these people it's OK for you not

1222
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,040
to do this.
Yeah, don't just assume that

1223
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,080
some people, because they're
not, they're martyrs, some

1224
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,400
people to this job.
And they will not cut back

1225
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000
unless you tell them that's not
part of their job anymore.

1226
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Yeah, if they still.
Want to do it?

1227
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,400
Celebrating it.
Yeah, they still want to do it.

1228
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,600
Fine.
But have an open and frank

1229
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,800
conversation about attitudes,
having a culture inside of your

1230
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,560
school.
It doesn't matter if a display

1231
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,800
has been the same for two times.
Who cares?

1232
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,480
And if you think that's
important, something else knocks

1233
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,280
off the list.
Yeah, I want you to go and do

1234
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:26,680
this.
Cool.

1235
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,760
You're either gonna get time out
or I don't expect you to mark

1236
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,760
this week.
And that's OK, because I'm

1237
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,560
telling you.
I'm telling you this as someone

1238
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,640
who runs the school.
I'm not going to point to a

1239
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,320
policy.
I'm not going to say it's what

1240
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,880
we've always done.
We're we're actually going to

1241
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,560
change how we do stuff from the
inside and it costs nothing.

1242
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,440
I'm going to add one thing to
that.

1243
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,680
I'm going to challenge one thing
you said, which is you said

1244
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,920
about the person who is a bit of
a martyr.

1245
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,400
If they they really want to do
that, then fine.

1246
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,760
I think that needs to stop as
well.

1247
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:51,600
Do you think?
I think so.

1248
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,240
I don't.
I I think it's actually quite a

1249
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:54,680
big factor.
What, what, what if?

1250
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,320
What if someone at the weekend
just simply wants to have this

1251
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,880
display for what they're doing
in their English that week, and

1252
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,200
they, for them, they want to do
it and they enjoy doing it on a

1253
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,040
Saturday?
Yeah.

1254
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,640
Would you tell them no?
Yeah.

1255
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,160
Really.
Well, it depends what the

1256
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,160
boundaries are, to be fair, like
you, you made-up a particular

1257
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,000
boundary there.
What I just think whatever the

1258
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
boundaries are that your school
agrees are, we're going to make

1259
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,960
a change by doing this thing.
These are the new boundaries.

1260
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,480
I I just don't think you should
let anyone go out of it anymore.

1261
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,280
I think it has to be like quite
draconian.

1262
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,160
So you're putting a ceiling on
above and beyond.

1263
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,280
That sounds harsh.
Yeah, I.

1264
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,240
Just honestly, yeah, I think if
we actually want to see changes

1265
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,040
because what's going to happen,
because I think what happens

1266
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,120
currently is exactly what you
said.

1267
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,160
I think people do have attitude
but they're like, but not me

1268
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,000
though, I'll still do the work.
And then I think subconsciously,

1269
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,720
even without realising it, it is
then impacting their

1270
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,360
expectations.
Having everyone else, there's

1271
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,520
still going to be that tiny bit
and everyone's a bit smug.

1272
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,160
There's going to be a tiny bit
in the head.

1273
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,840
Was like, well I did do 8 hours
of the weekend every single

1274
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,360
weekend.
This weekend I think I can ask

1275
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,440
my staff to do 1 bloody display.
I think I do.

1276
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,200
I think that's where it's going
to get to.

1277
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,640
And I think until we say, Nope,
you're not allowed to do it

1278
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,280
anymore, You're not even if
we're not even like rewarded for

1279
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,000
that anymore, that you are
setting a bad example.

1280
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,200
It doesn't work.
No one's going to respect their

1281
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,520
own time.
If they look at you, whoever

1282
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,640
this person is, whether it's
from the ground all the way up

1283
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,120
to the head teacher and they
look at you and you're saying

1284
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,640
one thing and then not remotely
living it.

1285
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,240
I think people are going to
think it's a, it's a test.

1286
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,400
People are going to start adding
loads of layers to this of what

1287
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,920
they do loads of work.
They're telling me not to do it.

1288
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,080
They're going to think I'm a bit
of a, are they just, are they

1289
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,440
testing me?
They go above and beyond.

1290
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,480
If I actually want to get to
that role because I want to work

1291
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,280
on my career ladder, I probably
should mimic them and do as

1292
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,520
much.
I just think there's so many

1293
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,560
layers to this where I'm like,
it won't change if one person is

1294
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,840
preaching it but not doing it.
So I don't know, I'd be quite

1295
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,200
harsh with that and stop
celebrating it and actually

1296
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,600
start like all the people aside
and be in the same way that

1297
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,960
you'd be pulled aside, right?
If you didn't do something, you

1298
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,920
probably would get a
disciplinary, but someone would

1299
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,840
say something about it and make
you feel a bit like, oh, OK,

1300
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680
recreate that feeling when
someone does the opposite when

1301
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,520
they're saying, yeah, when this
is our these are our boundaries

1302
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,840
now and we're trying to create
real change and they completely

1303
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,720
ignore it and don't do it.
Pull them aside.

1304
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,560
Be like, you know, don't thank
them.

1305
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,320
He's kind of setting a bad
example here.

1306
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,040
You know, we've got these
boundaries for a reason and

1307
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,120
you're you're, you're constantly
breaking, you're breaking our

1308
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,840
new policy like, and it is
impacting other stuff like you

1309
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,640
got to stop doing this.
What can we do in school to make

1310
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,480
this job better for?
You I still thank.

1311
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,600
Everyone in the boundaries.
Yeah, it's interesting.

1312
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,360
If they can't do it.
It feels wrong what you're

1313
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,720
saying, but I completely get the
logic.

1314
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,920
Yeah, I know.
And I'm being extra harsh right

1315
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,440
now.
Yeah, I do get that I'm probably

1316
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,000
exaggerating more than I would
really do, but.

1317
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,680
My point?
Your major point?

1318
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Yeah, you've got to, you've got
to, you've got to like practise

1319
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,280
what you preach.
Sure.

1320
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,800
And but if you're really serious
about changing it, then you

1321
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,400
wouldn't look at that person and
go, they chose to do it.

1322
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,760
You look at that person and go,
why did they end up having to do

1323
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,640
work outside of work time?
Something's still broken.

1324
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,400
Let's fix it.
Come into this meeting.

1325
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Why did you have to do work at
the weekend?

1326
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,600
Oh, well, I couldn't actually
get it done in my hours.

1327
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:51,520
OK, we need to change that then,
don't we?

1328
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,320
We can't just say you can do it
if you want.

1329
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,200
We need to change it so you can
comfortably get all of your work

1330
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,800
done in these boundaries that
we've set.

1331
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,280
It can't be that some people
choose to do it outside because

1332
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,400
actually really, they're not
choosing.

1333
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,360
They've got to do it outside.
Then suddenly in a staff

1334
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,920
meeting, this person's done
this.

1335
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,320
Oh, it's been amazing.
So can we all do this, please?

1336
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Not really.
They did it outside of their

1337
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,040
boundaries.
Not really.

1338
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.

1339
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,200
Good.
Point I'm probably being over

1340
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:14,680
the top.
Here.

1341
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,400
OK, so throwing it back to you
then.

1342
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,200
Yeah, we're going to live into a
magic fantasy world now.

1343
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,840
But you can only pick one thing
that you get funding for.

1344
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,120
So you do get some funding.
You do actually get some funding

1345
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,280
for this, but we can't do
everything we said on the list,

1346
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,240
obviously.
One thing you would do with

1347
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:34,160
funding that you think would
have the biggest impact on

1348
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,760
teachers thinking this is a job
I can actually do, then thank

1349
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,200
you.
Like workload, basically.

1350
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,280
Yeah, I would.
It's got to be money for people.

1351
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,200
It's got to be people.
You've got to employ people to

1352
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,560
help reduce the workload.
Otherwise, how is it going to

1353
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,800
reduce right if I've got 19
admin tasks to do?

1354
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,200
They have to get done they.
Have to get done.

1355
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,200
You could maybe look at making
them more efficient.

1356
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,840
You could knock off a little bit
of that time, but they've still

1357
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:00,960
got to get done.
They're still going to take

1358
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,360
time, right?
You need someone else to do it

1359
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,800
then.
Because you're basically,

1360
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,800
you're, there's a choice you've
got to make between more people

1361
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,000
in the, in the building or do
less stuff.

1362
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,400
And I think most average Joe's
who look at education, whether

1363
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,320
they're teachers or not, will
say, well, we shouldn't do less

1364
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,600
stuff for our children.
We shouldn't do fewer things.

1365
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,400
That's awful.
Of course, we should still do

1366
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,200
everything we can for the kids.
OK, cool.

1367
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,160
Well then we're funding.
Employ someone else then, Right.

1368
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,560
OK, so we have an administration
person.

1369
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,440
I don't know what they do.
Yeah.

1370
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,240
What?
It depends.

1371
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,680
Resource manager like you saw
that a lot.

1372
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:31,720
If you trust.
All right.

1373
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:32,080
Yeah.
They put.

1374
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,840
We've worked in school, they had
that before.

1375
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,120
It's like, OK, you want to get a
display up?

1376
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,440
Cool.
Tell that person what you want.

1377
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,000
They'll do it.
Yeah, we've employed them to do

1378
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:38,400
it.
There you go.

1379
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,480
Didn't take any of your time.
It took 3 minutes because you

1380
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,560
have to go and tell them what
you want.

1381
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,760
Yeah, rather than three hours.
OK, great.

1382
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,120
There's three hours cut and now.
And now do you know what your

1383
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880
school can have a policy?
I want some nice new displays

1384
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,000
each term.
It's like, OK, cool.

1385
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,760
It doesn't take me any time
because you've employed someone

1386
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,600
to do that.
All I've got to do is manage it.

1387
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,160
That's fine.
That can be part of my role.

1388
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,320
Please, could you put this nice
math display up?

1389
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,360
Thank you.
Cool.

1390
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,160
There you go.
But just someone, like someone

1391
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,360
to do that.
So I think we need if we had a

1392
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,600
bit of money and, and our
primary goal was let's reduce

1393
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,120
the workload of teachers, I
would say cool, employ more

1394
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,120
bodies in the school and give
them roles which take away admin

1395
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,840
tasks from teachers done.
Yeah, I think I'm, I'm going to

1396
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,920
lead on from that in terms of
with funding the people is, is

1397
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,400
vital, is vital.
And it's for this reason I'm

1398
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,720
going back to the first thing I
said.

1399
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,920
SENDSEND support is completely
broken, completely broken.

1400
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,840
And if we had a few 1000 LB
spare that we got from extra

1401
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,680
funding, I would put it into
SEND support.

1402
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,560
I I honestly as a teacher feel
completely helpless when I'm

1403
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,280
trying to teach a class of 32
children and I have in that

1404
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,120
class 3H EHC.
PS: And then let's not forget

1405
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,160
the whole string of children who
have undiagnosed issues that are

1406
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,800
in the system that's already
broken as well.

1407
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,080
So we have our external factors
coming in and affecting teaching

1408
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,840
where children do have needs and
have not even been diagnosed

1409
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,600
yet.
So in your class, there are

1410
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,920
always children and you don't
need an official diagnosis as a

1411
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,960
teacher to know what a child
needs to help them learn.

1412
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,480
It's it's good to have and it's
necessary sometimes because it's

1413
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,280
enshrined that the child needs
that support and it's vital.

1414
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,000
But you also, I'm not going to
ignore the other children who

1415
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,680
clearly probably one of them has
ADHD when they're on the pathway

1416
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,880
right now, but they haven't got
any HDP or diagnosis yet.

1417
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,520
I'm not then going to be like,
oh, OK, I'll leave you to it

1418
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:26,960
then.
You don't have ADHD until it's

1419
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,760
written on a piece of paper.
Of course they do.

1420
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,160
And I feel completely helpless
as a teacher when I'm stood on

1421
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,560
my own in front of 32 children
and I have let's say eight

1422
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,520
children in the class have a
very specific need where I need

1423
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,120
to be with them to fulfil that
need.

1424
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,880
And if I'm with them, I'm not
only am I ignoring the other

1425
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,880
children who need my attention,
we have AHCP plans who have, you

1426
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,760
know, issues concentrating or
can't write things down on paper

1427
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,120
or can't record their thoughts
in a certain way.

1428
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,960
I immediately can't help them.
I then also I'm just ignoring

1429
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,120
the rest of my class who just
crack on and need a teacher to

1430
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,600
help them to learn stuff as
well.

1431
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,840
It is impossible to teach 32
children on your own with SEND

1432
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,040
needs in your class to an
acceptable standard where

1433
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,240
everyone gets what they need.
It does not happen.

1434
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,440
We pretend it happens.
We like to say, oh, we do all

1435
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,800
this cool stuff.
We have all these things in

1436
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,040
place for everyone.
It's not hitting the needs of

1437
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,680
all the children.
No, not properly.

1438
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,920
If you want to properly hit the
needs of all the children

1439
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,360
exactly where they should be all
of the time, then you need to be

1440
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,280
honest about that it's not
happening and get funding.

1441
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,880
It's the only way around it
money.

1442
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,400
And if someone's listening to me
right now, because I know some

1443
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,800
people listening, that's all one
awful teacher who doesn't meet

1444
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,440
the needs of all the kids in
their class, I don't care what

1445
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,680
you think.
I don't care what you think

1446
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,680
because this is the truth and
the only reason I'm talking

1447
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,000
about it or passionate about it
is because I desperately want to

1448
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,440
meet the needs of all the
children in my class.

1449
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,560
I need to.
It's my job and I literally

1450
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,240
can't do it.
Imagine being a mechanic and

1451
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,360
your job is to fix the engine
and you need this part but you

1452
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,520
do not have the money to buy the
part and someone walks in and

1453
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,600
says have you fixed my car?
And you go I've polished it, it

1454
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,960
looks nice.
I've put an air freshener in and

1455
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,560
I replaced that bit, which was
OK, but I kind of just gone over

1456
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,600
that a bit.
I've got this other part that

1457
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,840
kind of looks like it fits, so
when I hold it here looks pretty

1458
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,120
fixed.
My engine runs a bit.

1459
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,320
I'm just going.
To I'm just going to hold it

1460
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,240
here endlessly.
That's what I'm going to do.

1461
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,960
That's it.
Oh, but you do have seven other

1462
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,240
cars that people are coming to.
Collect today.

1463
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,680
Can't because I'm holding this
piece so that everyone thinks I

1464
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,520
fixed this one.
I tell you what, I've got

1465
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,760
another arm.
I will hold this one here as

1466
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,680
well.
Look, I fixed 2.

1467
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,640
You have got 6 left.
Oh, by the way, there's another

1468
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,400
30 cars that just need a quick
shine.

1469
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Right.
Listen, what I'm going to do is

1470
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,480
look away for a second.
Oh, look at these two over here

1471
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,120
now.
I've fixed them, haven't I?

1472
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,680
Don't look over there.
Though what about the one you

1473
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:55,920
just had?
You're not looking that way

1474
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,760
though, are you?
Exactly.

1475
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,880
And to me that that is an
analogy that genuinely works

1476
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,360
because it is it is as
impossible as that and it

1477
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,280
doesn't happen.
And until we get funding and

1478
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,720
people on the ground and help,
it's going to continue to not

1479
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,600
work.
Yeah.

1480
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,280
And I think at the end of the
day, you're passionate and I

1481
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,280
hope that comes across.
You're passionate about it.

1482
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,480
You could just not care.
You could just not care, rock up

1483
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,720
to the job, genuinely not care
and then go home and get paid.

1484
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,880
Do we want teachers like that?
Is that what we want?

1485
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,120
Like do we want teachers to do
that?

1486
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,120
No, we want we what we don't,
what we don't want is you

1487
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,600
leaving the profession because
you're, because you actually

1488
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,640
care.
Genuinely, you do really care.

1489
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,320
Like I know we joke about we're
on this podcast a lot.

1490
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,600
We take the take the Mick out of
each other.

1491
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,360
But I think we always show that
we care.

1492
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,120
No, I agree.
But you are someone who I've

1493
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,400
always know that you seriously,
seriously like care about.

1494
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,200
The kids never change with you.
You know, even if you get grumpy

1495
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,000
of the system, you have never
ever like faltered in how much

1496
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,440
you care about each individual
kid in your class.

1497
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,200
And I think that comes across.
That's good.

1498
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,040
That's nice.
Which is good.

1499
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,360
Yeah.
Do you want to help them?

1500
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,120
I just want to help them.
Let's call it for the episode.

1501
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,080
Yeah, that's a nice little chat.
I enjoyed that.

1502
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,880
I hope, I hope people get a lot
out of these chats because, you

1503
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,560
know, it's heavy actually
talking about this stuff.

1504
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,040
Like it is actually a big
conversation to have.

1505
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,720
And I think sometimes I forget
that when we sit down to the

1506
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,120
podcast, I'm like, oh, no, I am
like, you know, literally

1507
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,560
putting all of my internal
thoughts completely on the line

1508
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,160
for other people to listen to.
So if you have listened to that

1509
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,720
and you connected with any of it
or you think, yes, that's true

1510
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,640
for me, or even if you had a
contention with anything that we

1511
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,480
said, do tell us because I'm,
you know, me and Hayden are

1512
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,080
putting ourselves, not putting
ourselves on the line, but we

1513
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,000
are really just saying exactly
what we think.

1514
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,600
And we really love it when
people tell us what their

1515
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,200
opinions are as well.
Yeah, big time.

1516
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,840
Nice one.
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1517
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,200
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1518
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,960
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1519
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,840
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1520
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,480
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1521
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,120
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