Ep 82: The Best Parts of Teaching: Fulfillment, Fun & Making a Difference

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Hello everyone.
Michael Boo.

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So deep sleep.
Repeat.

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My name is Dylan.
What's more?

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My name once more is Hayden, but
for.

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Everyone listening, obviously
that's the first time.

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I don't know what you mean,
Hayden.

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What do you mean by take?
Two, we just had to do, we had

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to stop.
We had to stop because I made a

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comment when Dylan was telling a
story and it threw him off and

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he was like, can we just restart
this?

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Can we just restart this
podcast?

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Can we just restart this
podcast, please?

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Hayden?
Can we just restart this podcast

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So.
We restarted.

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You're like that annoying kid
when you're trying to teach and

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they just have their hand up
like flapping, flapping.

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And you're like, OK, yes, my, my
mum said that tomorrow I'm going

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to McDonald's.
Oh my God.

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Can we just restart this lesson?
Can we just restart this lesson

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please?
Well, all I'll say is, if that's

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what it's like when I interrupt
you, I'm bloody sorry.

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That's OK.
I'm bloody sorry.

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Because there's nothing more
frustrating.

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You're trying to get your words.
Out the tables have turned.

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They've turned massively.
So, you know, welcome.

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We're we're back again with
another episode this week.

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We, we, we, we always get
worried, don't we, Hayden?

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I think that, yeah, we like to
talk about these things that are

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sometimes a bit taboo, but that
we a bit worried sometimes.

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What?
What?

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You said taboos.
That sometimes we worry that

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it's like negative, negative,
negative.

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And I know anyone who actually
listens to the long form

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podcast, which you guys, I think
you get the full picture and

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understand how passionate we are
and how much we love teaching.

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We just like to talk about the
problems when we post reels

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online.
It's one minute.

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There's hardly any context.
And I think a lot of people kind

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of just pick up on that.
Maybe it's a bit click baity,

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but they're like, Oh no,
actually I don't think I think

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that's awful.
And it's like I need more than a

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minute to explain my thoughts on
this.

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It's quite complicated.
So I think today we're going to

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go way more positive and I'm
really looking forward to diving

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into that.
But obviously, as always, this

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week, Kadem, we spent another
week in school.

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How's it been?
Oh, it's been, it's been a

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lovely week.
I've got one thing I really want

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to have been, wait, I've been,
we're getting into the habit now

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where I'll actually save things
to talk to you about on the

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podcast, right.
And rather than just talking to

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you in the week like we do all
the time.

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So this week something happened,
and I really want your opinion

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on it.
Yeah, we love that.

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I'm still laughing at you.
Go.

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Can we stop this?
Can we stop this Can.

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We start again.
Can we start again?

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Please.
Everybody go on.

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I'm sorry.
He's happy now.

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He's all right.
He's interrupted me.

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He's done the same thing.
I did that to him in the last

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take and that's why we
restarted.

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Yeah, the difference is I
explained exactly what I was

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talking about, whereas you just
went.

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Oh, oh, someone's got this back
up, doesn't he not?

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At all.
Feisty?

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Not at all.
Anyway, Co host, so assistant to

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the host leader.
Off you go next Dwight, Mike, my

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class, MM my class, my class.
This week they got themselves

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some trouble.
Not with me.

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They were being covered by one
of our Tasmania and they were

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just generally quite rude to the
TA and so obviously they had a

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bit of a bit of a speaking to
you.

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Like, come on, you can't you
can't you can't just treat

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different adults differently,
which I think is a thing in

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schools, isn't it?
Like I think the kids know.

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Yeah, there's a bit of a
hierarchy somewhere and they do

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just treat people differently.
If the head teacher comes in.

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Yeah, and teaches a lesson, the
head teacher always thinks, wow,

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this school look great.
Like the class is so well

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behaved.
It's like, yeah, because you're

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the headteacher, of course
they're behaving for you.

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Yeah.
Anyway, the week before the

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class for me and, and my job
share teacher had been great and

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we'd kind of been like, you
know, if you do good things as

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rewards guys like we don't just,
you know, we, we will encourage

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you to do good things.
So I said to them, right, class

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reward guys, you've been so good
today.

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We're going to do 5 minutes to
play next week.

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They're like, yes, yes, yes,
that's so good.

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I said, we're not the end of the
lesson yet though.

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And so it's encouragement to
keep working.

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And then obviously I found out
and I wasn't there that they,

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they were a bit misbehaved,
right?

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And so I said to them when I
came back, I was like, well

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we're not obviously not going to
do that class reward now

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obviously because I can't.
I said would it be a good thing

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if I then if you've just been
horrible to someone else and

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then I just take you all out for
extra extra 5 minutes play that

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no one else in the school gets.
They're like, no, no, no.

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And then one of the kids
challenged me and it really made

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me think, oh, I am just wrong
and said, oh, what about all the

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kids that didn't contribute,
like, to being horrible?

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Like, we were just doing the
right thing.

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Do we still get the reward?
And it was that moment where I

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was like, my honest feeling is,
well, yeah, you should.

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Yeah.
But it was at that point I was

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like, yeah, but I don't know.
It was, it gets, it's hard to

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track precisely.
And I know you've got opinions

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on class rewards and class
punishments.

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So I kind of wanted to bring you
in here.

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Did I do the wrong thing by even
promising a class reward in the

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1st place?
And did I do a double wrong

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thing by taking away that class
reward from the whole class

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because something happened that
was more than one child.

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So it kind of got, you know, put
onto the whole class.

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Yeah, it's a weird one thinking
about your exact situation.

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I think it's different too if
you just went straight for a

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blanket punishment.
So with your situation, you

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started off by saying wow, the
class as a whole have done

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amazingly well.
You're going to get a reward.

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Okay.
If we stopped there, did every

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single member of that class do
as amazingly well as each other?

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And were there some people who
probably didn't necessarily

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deserve it because they didn't
go above and beyond, they just

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did what they should have done,
but they were going to get the

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reward anyway?
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So in that in that respect, you
are rewarding children who

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didn't necessarily deserve the
award because you're

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highlighting the fact that lots
and then something, well, maybe

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like.
So as a.

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Sorry, maybe like six children,
something really good.

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And that made me feel like all
the whole class is doing so well

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actually.
Most, yeah, realistically, most

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probably didn't go above and
beyond, but you were still going

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to reward the whole and have
like a team and maybe dangle a

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character, say, look, if we
carry on doing this, you can

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control this and you can all get
a reward that that's always

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sounds much better.
But when you break it down, you

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are rewarding children who don't
deserve a reward.

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OK, so but when you do have a
negative connotation, that's

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seen by a lot more people as
awful.

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So if you were then have six
people who are behaving really

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badly and everyone else was OK,
but again, weren't going too far

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and pushing the boat out and
being naughty, let's say then if

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you if you just said right,
everyone's in at break time,

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you'd obviously get a lot of
backlash.

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But realistically, on paper,
they're not too different, I

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suppose, are they, in terms of
you're still rewarding or

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punishing people who don't
deserve their reward or the

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punishment?
I would say always there on the

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side of I'd rather be positive
and I would rather reward people

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who don't deserve it than punish
people who don't.

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And that just comes down to like
the justice system we have in

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this country where you have to
be absolutely sure someone has

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done something wrong and is
guilty before you can actually

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say they're guilty.
And I think that's where I stand

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with it is blanket punishments I
try and avoid at all costs.

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I would say in your context of
the class have earned a reward

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for going above and beyond, but
then the class have let

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themselves down.
It's probably more acceptable to

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do what you did.
But I think in general, even

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though it's easier to treat the
whole class as as one entity, I

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don't necessarily think it's
helpful or in the long term a

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good thing to do.
No, because for that one kid in

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the class who?
Absolutely.

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I bet there was one kid in the
class who one contributed to the

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reason the class got the reward
in the 1st place and two didn't

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contribute to the class being
naughty.

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And for them it's from their
journey, their perspective.

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It's like I did all the right
things and I wasn't even naughty

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in the second one and now I
don't get this reward.

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Yeah, and you're fostering like
anger, aren't you, in terms of

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that child will feel like
they've earned something for the

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class.
That feels amazing.

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Yeah.
And then someone else has taken

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that away from what they did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So anyway, it's just funny
because it's, you know, when you

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sometimes get really challenged
just in my and you can let you

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really go in and you could just
be like, don't question me,

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child.
And I don't want to be that

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teacher ever.
But yeah.

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Well, I felt really awkward
because I was sort of like, I

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didn't really have an answer.
What did you say?

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I can't remember.
I can't remember.

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It wasn't.
I fobbed it off because I didn't

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know what to say really.
In that moment.

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I was also like, I was just
leaving the room.

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Someone else was in there and I
was sort of like, and then I was

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like, oh, yeah, that's a good
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I said, but I didn't have that.
I think I actually just was

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honest with them.
And I said, that's a really good

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point.
I said, but I have no idea who

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it was.
And I've just been given a

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report that the class have
treated an adult not very kindly

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and they've not had a nice time
with teaching this class.

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I don't know exactly who it was,
but it was enough people to

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warrant us not getting this
reward.

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And I left it at that.
But really I was thinking,

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absolutely, I think the system
should always be individuals.

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It should be an individual
basis.

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Like, you know, we have like a
smiley, a very simple system,

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like a :) right?
It's just like, yeah, all these

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people.
We're going to put your names

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down there because you've been
amazing.

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Like you specifically have done
something in this class.

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You are going to get a reward
regardless.

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But anyway, that was just a
little thing I wanted to get

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your opinion on, so I appreciate
that.

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How?
How's your week been?

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Yeah, good.
I mean a standard where you can

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score anyone who's teacher
knows.

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It's just it is getting
relentless now, like we said,

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heading towards the end of the
time.

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But I had one kid and it's just
for me summarised why teaching

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is good.
And it's kind of linking to what

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I'm going to say later as well.
But I just had this moment where

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I was like, this is something
you don't get in any other job

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ever.
And you'll see why We were just

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doing a lesson.
And I like, I can't remember

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what the lesson was, but we were
just doing a lesson.

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And it probably says a lot of
the fact I don't even know as

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the teacher, what the lesson
was.

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But one of the kids put their
hand up.

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And it was not.
It was in no context whatsoever.

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We were just talking about what
we were doing.

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I was halfway through delivering
the slides, and he put his hand

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up.
And I was like, yeah, because

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usually this, this kid wants
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Go on, then.
Go on.

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Let's have a question.
And he put his hand up, and he

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went and went.
Can I sing the Match of the Day

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theme tune to the class?
Was is it?

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Was it related in any way?
Nothing, nothing.

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It was like geography or
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Can I teach?
Can I sing the match that they

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theme tune, theme tune to the
class, please?

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And I just, I stood there at the
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I was like, OK, come on then.
That's because the the kids

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needed a bit of a brain break,
clearly, because this is someone

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who works really hard, gets on
really well.

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And honestly, it was a bit of a
red flag to me that he was just

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like thinking about wanting to
see in the match leaving June.

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So I was like, OK, let's take 5
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break because the afternoon's
long.

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I was like, I made the choice as
the teacher.

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I was like, OK, then because we
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discussing stuff.
I was like, OK, let's have 5

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minutes.
He.

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Came to the front, the Match of
the day theme song for anyone

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who doesn't know there's no
lyrics or anything, is literally

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just Duns in like a different
level of tune and stuff.

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So he came to the front and he
started going and he just did

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the whole thing.
Slowly the class will join in.

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They're clapping and he goes all
the way to the end and then he

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and then and then they were
clapping him.

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Obviously well done.
He went back to his seat and I'm

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not joking.
The kids literally went and just

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like, turn to the slide.
I was like, should we carry on?

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They're like, yeah, we just
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Bizarre thing I've ever heard
happening in the middle of a

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lesson.
Like at the end of the day,

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maybe in the middle of a lesson.
And there be lots of people who

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say what a ridiculous thing to
do.

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And honestly, to those people I
say I don't care.

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What a waste of learning.
Yeah, I.

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Just don't care.
Do you know what?

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It was funny, It was cool.
He loved it.

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He got in front of the class and
did a, did a performance.

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Yeah.
When do we ever get to do that,

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really, in this curriculum and
stuff?

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I know it's nothing to do what
we're doing, but we still did

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the lesson.
If the head teacher came in,

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yeah, what would honestly have
been your reaction in that

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moment?
Honestly, right now, at this

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stage of my career, yeah, I'd
have hoped that he joined in.

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Yeah, join.
Honestly, I would just did a

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theme tune.
I would not bat an eyelid and

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trusted.
That you would not just wasting

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the entire afternoon.
He was just thinking, oh,

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they're obviously just doing
something.

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There's obviously a reason this
teacher's allowed this to

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happen.
Yes, because we trust our

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teachers.
Yeah, it wouldn't.

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It wouldn't embarrass me.
It wouldn't make me think I'm

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doing something awful like you
said, because I know, I know I'm

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making choices in the classroom
where they're still going to do

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the lessons.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
If I was 123 years into my

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career, do you know what Do you
know?

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Honestly, I probably would have
said no to him.

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And it probably at that point in
my career would have been the

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right thing to do because I
didn't have the confidence

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enough to think, well, I can
bring them back after this, it's

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fine.
Then.

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Then halfway through my career,
it probably would have been

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something I'd have been
confident enough to do, but not

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confident enough to say to SLT,
This is why I'm doing it.

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And now I'm in that third stage
where I'm just like, of course

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you can.
Come on Deputy Head, come on,

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let's all join in.
And did the Match of Day theme

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tune for 30 seconds.
I didn't carry on.

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That's brilliant.
Speaking of just a really quick

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to add on to this story, our
Deputy Head Australian accent,

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you know, I like to do accents.
Our deputy is Australian and he

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once came into my lesson and I
was just mid doing Australian

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accent for the kids for no
reason.

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And he came in and it was one of
those moments where I was, I was

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like, oh, got to a split
decision in my brain there.

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Do I get embarrassed with the
fact that I'm trying to do his

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accent essentially?
Or do I just double down and

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carry on?
Of course I doubled down and got

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him and got involved and got him
to rape my Australian accent in

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front of the kids.
That's, that's the power of

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having an SLT that actually are
just human beings and

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understand.
It's like, of course you didn't

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get offended.
It's an accent for Christ.

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Sake and and and trusted you
yeah and trusted you to be like

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yeah yeah you know what you
you're obviously gonna do this

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lesson yeah I know you're not
you're.

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Still at the board doing
something, you're obviously just

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trying to engage these kids
because it's whatever you're

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doing is.
I'm actually really excited to

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to to crack on with this chat
actually about teaching because

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it's a big thing we're getting a
lot lately in the comments

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about, OK, well, you know, we've
talked a million times.

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Why don't you just quit?
And I'm like, OK, do you know

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what?
We're going to do a whole

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episode and tell you why
teachers who complain, who moan,

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who say this is unacceptable,
who say this part of the job's

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awful for them.
Why a lot of teachers stay on

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the side of not quitting.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to

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getting into that.
But there is one thing you said

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you wanted to mention and talk
about.

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Yeah, well, I just thought it
was worth talking about this.

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It was world mental health.
That's obviously from when we're

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recording this.
It was World Mental Health Day

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yesterday and I just thought,
come on, we're a podcast now.

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We speak to a lot of people and
I think it's good to reflect on

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it.
So I just want to ask you being

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real for a minute, because we
joke around a lot, but just a

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real reflection just on your
mental health.

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How are you doing at the moment?
It's like you said, it's a long

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term.
We're seven weeks into this long

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term.
How are you doing right now?

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Yeah, I, I am, I am genuinely
good.

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And like, I think there are
points where I, I haven't been

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good, like mentally, like this
term.

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Yeah, this time, to be honest
with you a couple of weeks ago,

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it's, it's, I feel like with
teaching, being in term time is

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quite often a roller coaster so
that you can feel on top of the

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world.
If you feel like you're on top

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of a lesson and your class are
doing really well and you feel

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like you're on top of your
workload, it can be a real high.

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Get a lot out of it.
And we'll talk about that again

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later.
There are points where you can

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feel really behind like you've
got 5 million things to do and

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nothing you do is eating away at
that list and you don't feel

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like it's making much progress
despite the time you put in.

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And that's frustrating.
A big thing for me personally is

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I, I talked about this actually,
like you, like you said, in

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terms of how am I?
Me personally is one of my like

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3 pillars that I talk about in
terms of my well-being and when

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I feel good about myself.
And, and those three things are

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my family.
So Rory and being at home and

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helping out and with Lauren and
stuff school.

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I want to make sure my kids get
the best possible chance they

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can because I'm their teacher at
the end of the day.

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I want to give them everything
they need and deserve.

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And me personally looking after
myself and when I feel bad or

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have I guess you'd call like a a
mental decline in health is when

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personally what always seems to
happen is it's my pillar that's

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the.
One that gets knocked down.

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Because then to me that's,
that's the first thing I should

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go to, to sacrifice.
Do you know what I mean?

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Because I'm not going to
sacrifice anything to Rory ever.

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But I won't, I don't want that
to ever get sacrificed.

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And if that does, I'd feel 10
times as bad.

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I don't want the kids at school
to feel like they're not getting

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a good deal out of me.
When I'm there.

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We can talk about everything,
all the frills and stuff on the

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outside, but when I'm literally
with the kids, they need to be

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safe and I want, I need to give
them all of my mental capacity

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whilst I'm in school because I
need to be looked after.

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If those two take up too much
time, it's me that doesn't

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actually look after myself.
I don't give myself time to do

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stuff anymore.
That's when I get cranky.

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That's one of my men's Health
seems to decline personally, but

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but I'm currently in a good
balance.

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Yeah, I mean, I could say it's
funny you said that because

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that's very much what I see of
you.

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So even a few weeks ago, you
said you literally said to me

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you were like was crying out.
You were like, hey, then can we

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please just go and play snooker
for two hours?

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Because I feel like I haven't
done something for myself in a

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month.
Yeah.

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And I, and I could see you were
genuinely struggling a bit and

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being like, I just need honestly
a couple of hours to escape from

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reality for a bit and just do
something for me because.

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That's why I love sport.
That's I'm obsessed with sport.

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Anyone who knows me, that's my
big thing.

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I like to watch sport and
Manchester United is not helping

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with my mental state right now,
let's be honest.

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But most of all the the thing
that has the biggest impact for

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me is playing sport.
Because when I play sport,

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whether it's snooker, darts,
football, golf, any sport, the

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reason it's good for me is
because it clears my head and

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the only thing I'm thinking
about whilst I'm doing it is

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playing that game.
Yeah.

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So if I'm playing snooker, I'm
just thinking about where's my

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next shot, What can I do here?
If I'm playing football, I'm

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completely engrossed in a game
and that pushing out and it

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sounds awful, but pushing out
Rory and pushing out my family

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and pushing out work, work that
is really powerful for an hour

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or two to just level my head a
bit.

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Yeah.
Because otherwise it's

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overwhelming.
And no matter how much you love

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your family, how much you love
your job and and impacting

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children, you're just as
important.

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And when I, when I force time
for that is when I feel better.

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And I think that's really
important.

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I want to say to everyone right
now, something we said a million

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times about the job, have non
negotiable time for yourself.

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Because when I slip on that is
when I feel worse.

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But Dylan, to be a teacher, you,
you can't be selfish.

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You have to be a martyr.
Yeah, I mean, it's just we've,

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we've said it a million times.
You know, it's nonsense.

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We're going to talk about the
amazing parts of teaching in a

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minute.
And, and like, you know, the

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flip side of that is you can
lose yourself in it and that can

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be really good.
It can also be really

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detrimental.
And we'll talk about that later

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on.
But yeah, I think me personally,

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I'm good right now.
I played football the other

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night after I went to bed,
Amazing.

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I played, I played snooker last
night.

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My friend.
We caught up, had a little chat,

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played some snooker, felt great.
I, I feel completely fine right

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now.
I feel on top of things, which

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is good.
That's good on top of things.

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That's important, isn't it?
I think.

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I think that find that balance
with work and home, you've got

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to be done.
How about you?

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Yeah, You know, I think you made
a really good point.

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And a lot of the things I try, I
do take a lot of inspiration

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from your mindset because you
are really good at just being

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honest with yourself and
separating work from from being

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at home.
And you're really good at being

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like, Nope, if I, if I go home
and do more work this evening, I

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am going to be stressed and
therefore unhappy and as well.

451
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,680
And you're really good at just
being like, Nope, not doing it

452
00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,560
then.
And I do look at that sometimes

453
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,600
I think, yeah, I need to do more
of that.

454
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,080
And I do try, but I've always,
I've always struggled with

455
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,640
particularly, I don't know, I
don't know what it is about

456
00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,560
teaching, but like mental health
me, it's just and down.

457
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,360
Like I feel like I'm always a
few steps ahead of that little

458
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,480
devil in my mind that's just
trying to pull me down.

459
00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,200
And I, and I've often found, I
think I've said it on this

460
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,560
podcast before, I don't if
anyone relates to this, but I've

461
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,080
often found that in school
holidays, my, my mental health

462
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,800
drops massively.
Like especially summer holidays.

463
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,800
I don't know what it is.
I just, I just find myself just

464
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,640
going to write down.
Maybe it's the lack of routine I

465
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:15,520
was.
Going to say is it routine?

466
00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,040
I don't, I really don't know
purpose perhaps.

467
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,480
And you know, again, that's
something we'll come on to

468
00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,960
because because there because it
is such a fulfilling job and

469
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,120
then being off for six weeks, I
don't know.

470
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,760
Did you, I've got a question on
that very quickly.

471
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,440
Did you find that that was
exacerbated earlier in your

472
00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,040
career compared to maybe this
was the first summer with River,

473
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,560
you know, with your daughter?
Was it?

474
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:35,520
Was it?
Did you feel it was slightly

475
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,120
different or was still elements
of like oh this is lovely but I

476
00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,520
am missing this part of?
It was different, yeah.

477
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,480
This was the first summer where
I didn't really feel it that

478
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,560
much, which is interesting and I
was gonna reflect on that.

479
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,760
But generally in my whole 10
year teaching career, I

480
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600
generally find I finally forget
really down, like really, really

481
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,000
down in the dumps by this or the
end of the school holidays.

482
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,400
And then in this term time I
convinced myself, no, no, no,

483
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,320
no, I'm, I'm desperate for a
holiday and I have this constant

484
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,240
battle of like, what do I want?
Because when I'm in the

485
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,360
holidays, I get down and when
I'm at work, I think I'm down

486
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,040
because I'm so stressed at work.
So for me, it's just I've

487
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,280
started to recognise my stress
signals now, like finally I'm

488
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,720
not very good at recognising
when I'm stressed.

489
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,320
I really don't like get it.
And I've realised like, I just,

490
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,600
I just get heart palpitations
and that sounds stupid, but that

491
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,760
is, that is my body's way of
being.

492
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,320
Like you're stressed by the way.
So I've really started to

493
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,040
recently just stop and be like,
oh, I should actually listen to

494
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,960
it, keep that pillar up of
myself and be like, it is

495
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,920
important though, that, that I
am just healthy.

496
00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,640
So probably when I get heart
palpitations, I should just stop

497
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,800
and relax for the evening.
So I'm really trying to work on

498
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,840
my mental health right now.
I think it's tough in this job.

499
00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,760
I think you have to be on top of
it, and we're both trying to do

500
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,000
that at this point in our career
is actually take it seriously.

501
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,240
But I definitely did not take it
seriously for honestly, probably

502
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,000
the first eight years of working
as a teacher.

503
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,760
Yeah.
So yeah, for me it's come with

504
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,240
age as well and experience and
just being like, oh, that worked

505
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,080
for me and a lot of people know
it works for them.

506
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,880
I genuinely do.
I think a lot of people know

507
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,560
that they feel good when they do
X or Y or Z, but they convince

508
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,160
themselves that they can't do XY
or Z because this is more

509
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,240
important and giving to someone
else is more important.

510
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,480
I saw a really nice reel from
Charlie Teachers health coach.

511
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,680
I talk about him quite a bit I
guess, but I think he's what he

512
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,040
posts online is really good
stuff.

513
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,800
And he essentially did a reel
and it was all truth.

514
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,680
And it was just about how you
have to look after yourself.

515
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,680
Like, it's almost as if, like,
you're your best friend.

516
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,680
Yeah.
It's like, would you treat

517
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,800
someone else the way you're
treating yourself right now?

518
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,640
You will always show up for
maths in the morning to teach

519
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,560
the children.
You will always show up.

520
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,880
I will always show up to bedtime
for Rory to bathe him to make

521
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,800
sure he's happy, to make sure
he's content with him to bed.

522
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,360
Will I always show up for
myself?

523
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,280
I don't.
I let, I let that slip.

524
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,040
And if it was someone else, I'd,
I'd make myself do it because

525
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,920
I'm like, Oh no, I need to do
that because I've, I've agreed

526
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,120
with this person.
I've got to do this.

527
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,320
You've got to value yourself at
the same level.

528
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,240
And it's not arrogant, it's not
self centred.

529
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,680
It's just as important as your
relationships with anyone else.

530
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,400
In fact, you know what?
It's more important.

531
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,360
Your relationship with yourself
is the most important thing

532
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600
because when you go to bed and
lie down at night and close your

533
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,360
eyes, it's just you.
You're in you, you are you.

534
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,320
Sounds like that sounds like a
stupid thing to say.

535
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,760
You are you.
So if you don't look after

536
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,200
yourself, what's the point?
Genuinely, what doesn't matter

537
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320
what you do for everyone else
has to start from you.

538
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,240
And that's something I found.
And if it means some people

539
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,560
think you're arrogant or
selfish, sometimes cool.

540
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,280
They're not you, you're you.
So look after yourself.

541
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,600
And everyone's different.
Yeah, absolutely.

542
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:25,960
Yeah, good.
Thank you.

543
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,920
I want I'm glad we reflected on
that things important.

544
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,480
I guess we should just stop this
podcast now.

545
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,680
Play snooker.
Yeah, I love how this podcast

546
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,840
though is kind of like part of
our it's release.

547
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,520
I don't want to say it's therapy
but it's like.

548
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,840
Therapy.
It's just, you know, and

549
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,000
sometimes we are venting.
Yeah, you know, that's where we

550
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,040
get scared that it's being it
being bit negative.

551
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,840
Like the last few episodes we
had a bit of an event and, and

552
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,520
we got we've had a lot of new
listeners recently.

553
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,360
So we're a bit worried that
they're coming in and only

554
00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:50,920
seeing these episodes where we
just like go we hate this and

555
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,880
this and actually there's lots
of things we love.

556
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,080
So we're going to move on now to
a conversation about about those

557
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,960
things, but the things that we
love.

558
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,320
So let's play the Jingle and
come back.

559
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,440
We've talked a lot lately about
how many people leave the

560
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,520
profession and it's a big
problem and we highlight issues

561
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,440
with the job.
And the first thing I wanted to

562
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,080
say to everyone listening now is
the reason we do that is because

563
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,080
we love teaching.
If we didn't care, we would have

564
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,840
left years ago.
We clearly care about this job.

565
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,120
We love doing it.
So I thought what we could do

566
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,880
this week, Hayden, is really
just just switch up, switch up

567
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,200
the mindset, switch up the
perspective.

568
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,240
And instead of saying, oh, you
know, so many people are

569
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,680
leaving, this a problem,
problem, problem.

570
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,680
Like there must be so many more
thinking about leaving.

571
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,800
Let's flip it.
Why are so many teachers who

572
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,520
think they want to quit and get
to that point where they're

573
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,640
like, I've got to stop this,
What's stopping them get over

574
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,560
that point?
What is making them stay behind

575
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,800
the line?
And you know what?

576
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,480
No, I'm going to stay teaching
because, yeah, what are the

577
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,520
reasons?
I think the the pessimistic side

578
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,120
of us before I think this is
where we've been maybe wrong

579
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,240
before we would have said, oh,
it's just because they're too

580
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,560
scared to do it.
Yeah, I don't people maybe

581
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,720
maybe, but I don't think that's
the whole reason right.

582
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,520
And it and it also doesn't
account for all the people that

583
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,720
just aren't even thinking of
quitting.

584
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,320
Exactly.
Hundreds of thousands of

585
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,160
teachers that are 10 years, 15
years, 20 years into their

586
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,080
career and they're not even
thinking about quitting next

587
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,120
year.
They're just fulfilled in their

588
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:12,040
job, like, So yeah, let's talk
about it.

589
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800
So we've got a bit of a list of
some things won't go through.

590
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,240
I'm trying to jump in, yeah.
Jump in.

591
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:16,920
Let's go.
We'll talk about.

592
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,520
Your job.
So first thing first reason I

593
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,720
think people stay in this job is
because it's a kids.

594
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,280
Oh, and it's such a cliche,
right, the kids.

595
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,840
But let's talk, let's dive into
it more.

596
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,960
It's it's the relationships you
make with the kids.

597
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,560
You know, like if you worked in
any other job or the

598
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,800
relationship you make with the
staff around you, everyone's

599
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,560
like a work bestie.
There's you know, you make

600
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,760
relationships with the people
you're with.

601
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,720
Well, for us, we spend most of
our time, we're not actually

602
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,440
with other adults at all.
We spend our time in front of a

603
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,440
bunch of children and the
relationships that you make with

604
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,200
those children are real.
It you're not, it's not serving

605
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,920
a customer at Tesco.
When I worked at Tesco, I did

606
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,160
not make the relationships with
those customers like I made with

607
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,560
like I make with these kids like
and I had some nice customers as

608
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,840
well.
Like, don't get me wrong, I made

609
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,240
some relationships, but it was
nothing like the depth of

610
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,800
relationship that you make with
these young children who look up

611
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,560
to you as sometimes like a hero,
Like some of these kids adore

612
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,000
you, right?
And you make these beautiful,

613
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,360
real relationships with these
kids.

614
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,520
And that and, and I don't think
there are many situations or

615
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,200
jobs in life where you can make
such a meaningful real

616
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,040
relationship with someone in
your job and go home and feeling

617
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,080
like, wow, like that.
That's I've got.

618
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,160
That's so real.
Do you know what I mean?

619
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:32,560
Yeah, no, completely.
And, and it's, it's the biggest

620
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,760
driving force.
I think it's what I love going

621
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,800
into school for.
Do you know what I I love it

622
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,040
when I go in in the morning and
I've set up my room and I've sat

623
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,920
at my desk and the whistle goes
and the kids start coming in.

624
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,200
That's one of my favourite
points of my whole career is

625
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,160
that first 10 minutes when they
walk through the door.

626
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,080
Nothing to do with actually, you
know, to making them that way

627
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,400
progress in there, but ability
to do adding that's important.

628
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,160
I know that.
But my favourite thing about the

629
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,840
job is when six kids walk in
right one after the other,

630
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,160
they're saying something
different.

631
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,920
One of them just smiles at you.
Thank you.

632
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,160
That's that's nice.
One of them goes, Mr. Price,

633
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,640
have you had a new haircut?
No, adults say that to me.

634
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,360
Do you know, and I'm not
expecting adults to go around

635
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,560
and say, Oh, Mr. Price haircut,
but the fact that that, you

636
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,240
know, I'm, they come in and say
that, oh, that's cool, That's

637
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,160
good, that's nice.
Next one walks in and starts

638
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,080
talking about the hamster and
has brought in a photo of the

639
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,400
hamster from home.
These kids want to share stuff

640
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,920
with you and that's indicative
of the safety they feel with you

641
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,040
in the classroom.
And the idea that I can provide

642
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,600
that to these kids and build
that relationship with them

643
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,080
where they feel like they want
to share this kind of stuff with

644
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,440
me is invaluable.
It feels amazing.

645
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,840
There's there's nothing better.
And it's so genuine.

646
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,960
I think that's the thing, you,
you made a really good point,

647
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,120
right?
If an adult came up to you and

648
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,160
said nice hecker.
Honestly at this point in my

649
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,360
life, knowing how manipulative
everyone.

650
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,160
No one said that to you, mate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

651
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,880
So I'm saying that something I'm
personally thinking, what are

652
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,000
you talking about?
Secondly, if they give, I'd be

653
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,800
honestly part of my brain, no
matter who it was.

654
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,720
I'd be thinking, what do you
want?

655
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,040
Honestly, genuinely.
If I'm at work and my boss

656
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,600
cynical, I would though.
I'd be thinking, you know.

657
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,400
Or it's a norm?
Have you just a norm or I better

658
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,280
do that.
I better take a box.

659
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,040
You know, I haven't been nice.
Maybe because we've we've come

660
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,080
from schools where that is
literally all that happened

661
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,000
without see, it was like
mindless.

662
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,800
Oh, we better, we better pretend
to care about our staff for a

663
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,920
bit.
And it's like, that's literally

664
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,920
what our workplace was like.
And and maybe I'm a bit cynical

665
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,160
because of that, but with kids
it is like doesn't cross my

666
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,160
mind.
There is no, there's nothing.

667
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,840
They just want to show you that
picture of the hamster.

668
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,880
They just want to say that
you've had a haircut because

669
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,920
they noticed it.
Yeah.

670
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,000
Yeah.
And they don't want anything

671
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,440
from you.
They they just want to have a

672
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960
real relationship so that those
real relationships that you make

673
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,480
with those kids are special.
They are.

674
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,600
They are like heightened
versions of relationships you

675
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,920
might make elsewhere.
And, and the ultimate version of

676
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,200
that is people always say this.
If you go to anyone, anyone in

677
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280
the country, pretty much if you
say to them who's your favourite

678
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,600
teacher, they could be 25 or 75
and they'll go Mr. Jones and

679
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,320
they'll still call him Mr or Mrs
They're still, they'll still

680
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,040
call her by the teacher name.
They'll say Sir.

681
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,920
Even though you're an adult now.
Yeah, even though you're

682
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,080
aggressed back and and every
single person who talks about

683
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,600
who their favourite teacher is,
they will never say they were my

684
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,040
favourite teacher because the
way they made me remember Henry

685
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,200
the ex wives was beautiful.
They taught me column edition.

686
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,120
Honestly.
Unreal.

687
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,360
Yeah.
That what they will say is they

688
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,600
made me feel safe, happy, they
were funny, they made me enjoy a

689
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,000
lesson, they made me love it.
They sparked my passion, they

690
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,120
sparked my creativity.
And this as from our end as

691
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,560
teachers, that is invaluable.
And it's not something we, I

692
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,680
don't go about my day thinking,
do you know what I'm going to do

693
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,760
now?
I'm going to have an impact

694
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080
where this child in 50 years
times remembers me because I

695
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,200
want them to Remember Me.
No, all you're thinking about is

696
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,760
the teacher is in this very
moment right here.

697
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,320
Does this person feel safe,
welcomed, accepted, enjoy their

698
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,560
time in school?
Want to learn?

699
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,720
If the answer's yes, I've done
my job, I've built that

700
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,320
relationship, it's the best
thing ever.

701
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,040
And.
It feels great.

702
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,520
It feels great, it feels great.
So there's there is the part,

703
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,520
isn't it?
Serving the community.

704
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,120
It's kind of what we're getting
at here.

705
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,000
It's a public service job at the
end of the day.

706
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,120
And there is a satisfaction in
the fact that you are serving

707
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,680
the community, you are serving
that class of children, those

708
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,440
future adults and you are, you
are having a huge impact on the

709
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760
people they become.
And there isn't, there is an

710
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,320
intrinsic feeling of greatness
from doing that.

711
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,360
That's another reason, I think.
That people stay in the job.

712
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,960
It's almost like it does lead on
from that relationship you make

713
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,160
with the kids.
So what is the impact of that?

714
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,840
Well, the impact of that is you
can teach them more.

715
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,720
You can, you can, you can make
them make progress in certain

716
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,720
aspects of their academics.
OK, you can have an impact

717
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,280
there, how much we can talk
about, but there's definitely

718
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,760
going to be an impact You you
can have an impact on their

719
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880
social skills.
You can have an impact with how

720
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,720
they treat other people.
And then when they're older.

721
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,480
And but you said recently you've
been seeing some people in the

722
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,480
shops and stuff when I'm not
saying it's just teachers who

723
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,320
teach kids manners because it's
not, obviously.

724
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,600
But you play a big role in how
how children see professionals.

725
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,040
You're their first port of call
for what a person doing a job

726
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,880
looks like.
Yeah.

727
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,120
You know, at home, they're more
relaxed.

728
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,560
They have certain things.
They go to school.

729
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,320
Oh, Mr. Price, you know, he he
looks this he treats.

730
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,880
Me like this he.
Treats me like this.

731
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,480
Yeah.
I, I, I'm not, he's not my

732
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,720
family member, but he treats me
as if I am.

733
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,440
He, he shows me love and
affection and he shows me, you

734
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,360
know, that he cares about my
outcomes and.

735
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800
And I appreciate that.
And when I grow up, I'm gonna

736
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,400
try and pass on.
I think it's a big point of why

737
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,040
I became a teacher was I had
such a positive experience in

738
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,880
school.
I had a lot of teachers who I

739
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,200
felt like did a lot for me
because I I wasn't a naughty

740
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,600
child.
But I reckon I was a difficult

741
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,920
child in terms of I always
wanted more.

742
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,520
There's never enough stuff for
me to get.

743
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,440
Done.
You were the why?

744
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Yeah, yeah, I was the why kid
who asked a million questions.

745
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Yeah.
And there were people at school

746
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,640
who who could have just been
like, oh, my, this guy.

747
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720
Get out.
Yeah, stop asking.

748
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,080
But I told you, I don't have to
break time.

749
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,840
I want to do this.
Please.

750
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,400
No, just get out.
I've told you, stop asking.

751
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Instead, what they did to me
when I was at school was they

752
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,920
said, OK, let's see what we can
do.

753
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,040
Let's find you something inside
and accommodated that

754
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
accommodated me, that made me
feel happy, that made me feel

755
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,160
seen again.
And I think that intrinsically

756
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,480
is the idea of service.
I like paying that back.

757
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,320
And I and I love the idea of, of
giving back to my community.

758
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,600
And and that gets lost in what
we've talked about recently

759
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,120
because people just see us
talking about money, see us

760
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,320
talking about pay restoration,
see us talking about got to pay

761
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,320
the bills.
And they just get angry and be

762
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,840
like, how could you say that?
Yeah, listen to me talk for more

763
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560
than two minutes because I
promise you, the number one

764
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320
thing that I love doing is
serving people and helping them.

765
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,400
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's
fulfilling.

766
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,520
And I think that everything
we've said so far can kind of be

767
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,360
captured with this idea of
fulfilment.

768
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,480
It your purpose.
If you feel as a teacher, you

769
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,000
feel like you have a real
purpose.

770
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,360
And there are jobs, other jobs
where you feel like you have a

771
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,920
real purpose as well.
But there's also a lot of jobs

772
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,040
that I know because I have
friends that work in all sorts

773
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,760
of industries where they where
their biggest gripe of the job

774
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,600
is they're like, Oh yeah, I get
paid well and I kind of enjoy

775
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640
doing what I do, but I just
don't feel like I've got a

776
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,960
purpose, like I'm not fulfilled
in what I'm doing.

777
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,200
And that is not something that
is lacking in teaching.

778
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
So that fulfilment, but
something else I guess more on

779
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,880
like a more on a selfish like
side point of view, I guess.

780
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,520
But it's important.
It's a reason that people love

781
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,720
the job is it's actually
genuinely just fun.

782
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,000
It's hilarious.
Like being with the kids.

783
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Yeah, being with the kids.
Yeah, I know you can see you

784
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,560
come in there.
There are elements of the job.

785
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,360
And like, we're not going to go
into it too much today because

786
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,640
we've talked about it in
millions of episodes.

787
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Yeah, 70 episodes.
Listen to our episodes if you

788
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,240
want to hear about the the
reasons teachers are actually

789
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,440
quitting.
Yeah, All right, Because I'm not

790
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,120
talking about that right now.
I'm talking about the bits that

791
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,920
we love.
And when we're with the kids,

792
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,280
we're in that classroom.
It is genuinely hilarious.

793
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,400
I laugh every single day.
There is never, I can honestly

794
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,000
say it's not a day in my whole
career where I've been with the

795
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160
kids and I haven't ended up like
cracking up or something

796
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,800
specifically because I'm like
with them, something they've

797
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,920
done or something I've done to
try and be silly with them that

798
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,000
end up making myself laugh.
But I, you know, you just laugh

799
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,720
and have so much fun with the
kids.

800
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,400
And I think we need to remember
that that is a that is a reason

801
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,000
that I want to get up and go
into work.

802
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,680
I got marked those books.
It's going to be so annoying.

803
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,760
I got that before I go, but I am
going to get six hours from the

804
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,560
kids and that's going to be
hilarious.

805
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,920
And as a teacher, you, you
control that in terms of that,

806
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,160
that time with the kids can be
quite dour and it could be quite

807
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,880
boring.
And it could because maybe

808
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,760
you're feeling under the weather
that day and you don't have the

809
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,120
energy to do that.
And that's fine.

810
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,320
But from our point of view, I
know you're the same as me.

811
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,520
I, I make it my mission during
that time with the children that

812
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,800
they love it and they get a lot
out of it because that's a,

813
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,720
that's a separate part of my
job.

814
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,440
They're obviously going to get
lots out of it in terms of

815
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,760
learning.
But you know what, just as

816
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,920
important as that is, the kids
love it.

817
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,960
And small things you can do as a
teacher, which honestly

818
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,560
transformed my day a little bit.
It's just little.

819
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
It's just little things.
Playing a little game in your

820
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,400
transitions where the children
will come in in the morning to

821
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,800
me now and honestly they'll say
to me when we line up, can we

822
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,200
play the 21 game?
And I'm like, you are excited to

823
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,640
line up, OK, just because when
we line up, I said we can play a

824
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,200
game.
They probably wanted to come to

825
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,880
school today because of that.
Yeah, well, they walked through

826
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400
the door the first thing they
said coming here, the 21 game,

827
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,280
for anyone who doesn't know you
want to use this and people have

828
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,040
heard of 21 before, where
between two people you can say

829
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,880
one or two or three numbers.
Whoever says 21 loses.

830
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,720
This is a different game.
So this 21 game, you get the

831
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,320
children's line up.
It's amazing because it's just,

832
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
I love this game so much.
You get the children to line up

833
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,880
and the rules are the teacher
starts by saying 0 and you need

834
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560
to count up to 21.
Sounds easy as a class.

835
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,080
As a class.
But the rule is only one person

836
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,720
can say a number.
You're not allowed to talk to

837
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,200
each other other than saying
numbers.

838
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,120
It can't be in the order of the
line.

839
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400
And if two or more people say a
number, you go back to 0.

840
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Right.
So obviously, the first time we

841
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,280
play this, I go 0 and 20 of them
go one.

842
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Yeah.
Oh, no, no.

843
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880
Now we got to restart this zero.
And then ten of them go 1.

844
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,520
And then it just goes on and on
and on.

845
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Eventually you get someone who
says one and then twenty of them

846
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,560
say. 2:00 But they latch on,
don't they, to the first person.

847
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,480
That's the one.
That's the one guy over there

848
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,920
exactly that person says 1.
Yeah.

849
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,040
And that's what you've got to do
with them.

850
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,440
And the whole point is, though,
the kids become so engrossed at

851
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,160
that point that you're having
fun with them.

852
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,720
They're having fun.
Yeah.

853
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,720
We're lining up for lunch.
This game takes 20 seconds.

854
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,280
Yeah.
Yeah.

855
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,320
And it's just a small little
things where that attitude is

856
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,199
the teacher, the person in
control, that shift.

857
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,800
It can transform how much you
enjoy your time with your

858
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,520
children.
I've taken something that's

859
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,199
really boring now in my class.
It's something I look forward.

860
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,360
To lining up.
Literally, and I think that's

861
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,080
basically, it's almost
summarising what you're saying

862
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,080
there because the way the person
I am, I don't think I could get

863
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,159
as much joy and fulfilment and
just enjoying my life because

864
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,880
work is my life and it should be
enjoyable.

865
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,760
I I really, really, really
struggle to see as a teacher

866
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,320
what I would do instead that
would remotely come close to

867
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,440
that fulfilment time.
Maybe because I don't have to do

868
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,360
the extra stuff.
Maybe that's some a conversation

869
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,560
people have where they choose.
Yeah, that's worth it for me.

870
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,560
I really, really, really, really
struggle and I think a lot of

871
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,400
people do.
The reason I'm staying in the

872
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,360
job and the reason I'm still
doing after 10 years is because

873
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,160
those six hours are magical,
really.

874
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,880
Yeah, no, it's a really good
point.

875
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,000
I think fulfilment and and
variety in your day is kind of

876
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,480
what you're getting as well,
like doing different things

877
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,000
every day.
I.

878
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,200
Want to, I want to talk to you
about variety because I I always

879
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,040
flip flop on this, but I think
you're absolutely right.

880
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,840
I think it's one of the most the
jobs full of the most variety

881
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,720
you can possibly get.
And I think variety is the spice

882
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,560
of life and that's a reason why
people stay in the job.

883
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
But like someone looking in
might go, What do you mean

884
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,800
variety?
Every single day you do maths

885
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,160
and then you do English and then
you do an afternoon lesson.

886
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,640
It's it seems like there's no
variety in this job whatsoever.

887
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,720
So break it down for someone.
She's either in teaching and

888
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,600
he's like, Oh my God, yeah.
Or someone who's out of teaching

889
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,880
and goes, what do you mean
variety?

890
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,800
Why is so good?
The chaotic routine of school

891
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,840
before we're talking about Yeah,
because you're right.

892
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,640
There is a routine.
It's called a has to be routine

893
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520
for the children and us.
It would be mad to not have

894
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,480
routine.
When I'm talking with variety,

895
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,720
I'm talking the you're dealing
with 30, two children, they are

896
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,240
not the same 32 every single
day.

897
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,120
The dynamic is different.
I think that's what we're

898
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,840
talking about, the variety and
the dynamic of your day.

899
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,200
You deal with different things.
Different things happen within

900
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560
that routine that require
different skill sets from you

901
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,480
and different reactions every
single day.

902
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,640
You know that a kid might come
in upset one day that might not

903
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,320
happen the last the six days
before and got to deal with that

904
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,280
and then actually something
Internet goes down in the

905
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,600
afternoon.
You're going to do something

906
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,080
different.
You play that game at lunchtime

907
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,280
today, but you didn't play the
day before.

908
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,480
You give you class, reward,
class and reward this week.

909
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,360
That did something great, didn't
do it the week before.

910
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,720
Practise lining up your every
day is really different.

911
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,920
You're constantly reacting to
the needs of the kids, but

912
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,520
whilst also maintaining a
routine, a routine for them and

913
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,560
for you.
So yeah, it is interesting,

914
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,040
isn't it?
Because it's not variety in

915
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,760
terms of randomness, it's a
variety in terms of within your

916
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,200
routine anything could happen.
And every day is, is different.

917
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,920
You're not just repeating the
same exact thing over and over

918
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,320
and over again.
You're not even teaching the

919
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,880
same lessons.
The routine is maths.

920
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,720
You're not teaching the same
maths lesson as yesterday.

921
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,040
In fact, you probably won't
teach the same maths lesson all

922
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,760
year.
Like realistically, you're going

923
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,680
to do something different each
day and that's, and that's

924
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,360
great.
I kind I I need that.

925
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Yeah, well, a lot of people talk
about this and you've seen it

926
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,120
probably online a lot in reels.
It went a bit viral.

927
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,960
This whole thing about how
teachers make more decisions

928
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,920
each day than a neurosurgeon,
like a brain surgeon.

929
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Wow.
Like the yeah, it's a huge

930
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,520
claim.
And I I didn't feel icky about

931
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,720
it because maybe it's true, but
I was like, let's not, let's not

932
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,760
compare what we're doing to
brain surgery.

933
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,840
And you're like, it always made
me feel a bit like, come on,

934
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,160
guys, let's help ourselves a bit
here.

935
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,640
There is a line.
And I was being a, being a brain

936
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,480
surgeon is I think a lot, a lot
more complicated than what we're

937
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,240
doing, let's be honest.
But the point, the point was you

938
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,320
make a lot of choices as a
teacher, you get that decision

939
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
fatigue, you get home, you just
want to just like relax and not

940
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,120
even think about anything.
But I, I think it can be a

941
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,600
positive.
Like you're saying that, that

942
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,680
constant, you know, decision.
Because I, I'm speaking from

943
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,600
experience.
I, when I finished university, I

944
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,120
took a year, I did a history
degree.

945
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,080
So it wasn't primary school.
It was just a history degree.

946
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,560
So I came out of university, I
was 21, and for a year I went

947
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,680
full time at Asda.
Well, I decided what I wanted to

948
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,840
do.
I didn't know what I wanted to

949
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,480
do.
So during that year, the way I,

950
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,440
what I started off doing was
applying for graduate jobs, just

951
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,520
just running the mill graduate
jobs, literally, honestly,

952
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,560
whatever was out there.
Yeah, so I'm a graduate, I've

953
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,280
got a two, 1��.
Is there a scheme I can get into

954
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680
just to try and get a job?
And I went for this interview

955
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,920
process in London.
It was like a whole day.

956
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,440
And then a bunch of people got
chosen to be placed somewhere in

957
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,880
a graduate scheme, all different
companies.

958
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,480
So it was like a central
recruitment hub.

959
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,040
That's cool.
Yeah.

960
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,760
Placed you in different places.
And I got placed in this head

961
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,000
hunting.
So, you know, placing people in

962
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,280
jobs basically.
And it was to do with you were.

963
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,840
Gonna become a headhunter.
Like, yes, you were doing that

964
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,880
job.
Yes, I haunted.

965
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,240
Yeah.
No, no, I well, kind of, but I

966
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,200
went for the whole day progress
process of interview.

967
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:42,600
Yeah.
And they said, cool, yeah,

968
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,800
you've passed this, we're going
to place you in this company.

969
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,520
You're going to become a
headhunter, right.

970
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,320
OK.
And and that companies job was

971
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,520
to place people in tech jobs.
Yeah.

972
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,320
So like if you had C# and all
this like JavaScript and all

973
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,320
this kind of stuff, you would
you would find the candidate on

974
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,760
your books, place them in a job
and say, oh, would you be

975
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,080
interested in this job?
Got you.

976
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,880
It pays this.
It's a six month contract.

977
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,240
They'd say yes or no.
And that's.

978
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,760
What happened?
And then that company would get

979
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,200
like a bit of cut for finding
the person.

980
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:09,520
Exactly how you get a
Commission.

981
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,240
Exactly that.
And the way it worked was I was

982
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,800
going to do a week.
I had to do a week just to see

983
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,160
if I liked it, to see if they
liked me and see if we got on.

984
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Really nice guy who runned it,
who ran it and runned it, who

985
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,040
runned it.
I became a teacher, by the way.

986
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,360
Really nice guy who ran it, but
I was too.

987
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,440
I was 1 1/2 days in.
It was Tuesday lunchtime and I

988
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,920
went into his office and I said
I'm going.

989
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,720
Home.
Where's the marking?

990
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,600
Yeah, but I'm, I'm going home.
I can't do it because that was

991
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,800
lack of variety.
That was completely different to

992
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,080
what teaching became for me
because it was honestly for 8

993
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,520
hours a day sat at a desk
picking up a phone.

994
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,840
Hi, I've got this job.
OK, No problem.

995
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,640
Bye.
Hi, I've got this job.

996
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Oh, you are interested.
Here's all the details.

997
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,360
I'll e-mail it over to you can
have me your e-mail.

998
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,040
OK.
Thank you.

999
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,840
Bye all day, all day.
And I was just, OK, do you know

1000
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,360
what this, this is one of the
reasons why I struggle now, I

1001
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,040
think because teaching has that
variety.

1002
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,240
And even though that head
hunting job was 9000 lbs more

1003
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,280
starting salary than teaching.
So anyone who comes at me and

1004
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360
says stuff about money and all
that kind of thing, like, no,

1005
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,880
no, no, no, no, no, I could have
done this job.

1006
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,080
And we've been five years been
on 5060 K Yeah, that's that's

1007
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,520
that was the projection.
I didn't want to.

1008
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Yeah, I did not want to.
Everything we're talking about,

1009
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,160
it wasn't rewarding.
There was no variety.

1010
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,160
It was boring for me personally.
Someone else might have enjoyed

1011
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
it, but yeah, but the people
that stay in teaching, we're a

1012
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,400
certain type of person.
And yeah, that's a really,

1013
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,800
really good analogy.
I think, you know, I've told my

1014
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,640
Tesco story many times, but
similar sort of thing.

1015
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,600
I just did it.
It just wasn't the job for me.

1016
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,080
I'm sure I could have had a nice
easy life, but I just didn't

1017
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,640
enjoy it.
I didn't get that fulfilment and

1018
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,400
that's really important to me.
Another point we wanted to make

1019
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,560
is that escape from reality, and
I want to dive into that a

1020
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,560
second because for me, escaping
from reality is like diving into

1021
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,440
a good TV series, playing a
really good game with a great

1022
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,520
story that I want to, you know,
play for a little while, that

1023
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,440
kind of thing.
And I genuinely find, I don't

1024
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,520
think I'm exaggerating here,
that when I'm with the kids, I

1025
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360
get the same level of like
euphoria.

1026
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Genuinely.
I really I've totally escaped

1027
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,320
reality when I'm mid lesson and
every part of my brain is

1028
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,320
thinking about how to is like
balancing, teaching the kids the

1029
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,360
right thing, making sure they're
happy, enjoying themselves,

1030
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,520
they're learning.
I am so away from everything

1031
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,240
else in my life that it is just
like watching ATV series, being

1032
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,000
in a game because I really
really genuinely enjoy it.

1033
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,280
I don't know if you're the same.
It's called flow, isn't it?

1034
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,440
It's that state of flow.
Yeah.

1035
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,800
Yeah.
So we we learned about flow.

1036
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,880
Flow is where you're really good
at something.

1037
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,280
It's challenging enough that
it's not boring.

1038
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,560
It's not hard enough that you
can't do it.

1039
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,560
You're an expert in what you're
doing.

1040
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,520
You're in flow.
And, and that's almost what I

1041
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,120
spoke about before in terms of
when I'm playing football, I'm

1042
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,640
in flow because the only thing
I'm thinking about is playing

1043
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,520
the game.
Nothing else comes in pure

1044
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,320
enjoyment, satisfaction.
Yes, I'm concentrating on

1045
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,000
something.
Yes, my mental load is quite

1046
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,240
high because I'm thinking about
what I'm doing, but I'm not

1047
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,600
overworked.
I'm in flow.

1048
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,520
I don't think about time
absolutely with you when you

1049
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,480
teach.
When I teach, I get into a state

1050
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,160
of flow where one of the biggest
things it took me years to

1051
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,320
perfect was my pace in a lesson.
Because of this fact, we'd get

1052
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,400
into flow, we'd get into a
discussion with Oh my God, yes,

1053
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,320
let's do that.
Oh God, no, you've only got 5

1054
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,640
minutes to do a task.
Now that happened a lot to me at

1055
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,680
the start of my career because I
would get into that state of

1056
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,160
flow and escape from reality.
It's so there's, there's two

1057
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,160
ways to frame this and I want to
get your thoughts on maybe

1058
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,280
someone listening to this who
frames it a different way to

1059
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,640
you.
So the two, the two ways to

1060
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,400
think about work.
And I've heard about this a lot

1061
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,080
lately, actually, two ways to
frame it as an escape is, like

1062
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,760
you said, an escape from
reality, something where you can

1063
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,080
really dive yourself into, put
everything into it that you

1064
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,120
possibly can.
And it works for you because you

1065
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,640
get a lot out of it.
I'm escaping from that reality.

1066
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,480
And the other framing is it's
just a distraction.

1067
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,880
It's not getting to the root
cause of why you need that, OK.

1068
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,680
And it's this idea of like,
yeah, distraction.

1069
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,640
It's a distraction, but you're
not solving that problem.

1070
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,440
So eventually the problem's
going to rear its head again.

1071
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,640
You're just distracting yourself
from reality.

1072
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,480
So what would you say to someone
who framed it slightly

1073
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680
differently in terms of you're
saying it's an escape, it's a

1074
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,080
good thing, and someone else
saying, well, it's just a

1075
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,600
distraction.
You need to actually fix the

1076
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,960
reason why you want this
distraction on.

1077
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,280
This that's quite a big
question.

1078
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,920
I'm I'm more I'm actually
struggling to understand the

1079
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,120
difference really because.
Yeah.

1080
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,160
Well, one one is saying work.
It's just a positive.

1081
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,560
Just go into that.
Don't worry about reality.

1082
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,760
You're just away from it.
Called work really hard, dive

1083
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,360
into work everything you can out
of it and don't worry about

1084
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,400
reality.
It's fine because you've got

1085
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,680
this thing you can go on to.
Yeah, sure.

1086
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,880
The other way is just saying
that is just a distraction

1087
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,480
though.
And actually you shouldn't just

1088
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,520
be trying to distract yourself
and dive into it.

1089
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,760
What you should be trying to do
is actually what's the reason

1090
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,440
why you want to escape.
Yeah, that's a big question, But

1091
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,400
I think I don't really have an
intrinsic problem with my

1092
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,400
reality.
That's the problem, yeah.

1093
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,960
It's just that in reality, real
stuff exists.

1094
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,840
Like chores.
Yeah, I don't have a problem

1095
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,080
with doing them, but they're not
fun.

1096
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,000
So I guess what I'm trying to
say is on the same level of like

1097
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,400
when I do something fun, it's
because it's fun.

1098
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,760
And that sounds stupid.
Like when we go and play

1099
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,480
snooker, it is an escape from
reality.

1100
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,720
I don't have a problem with
reality, but that is like an

1101
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,880
again, like a euphoric state
because I'm just having pure

1102
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,000
fun.
I'm not doing any chores and

1103
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,760
things right now.
I'm not worried about just

1104
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,120
something I've got to worry
about at home.

1105
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,200
And I'm what I'm trying to say
is I'm just comparing that same

1106
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,560
euphoric state that I get from
actual my actual hobbies.

1107
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200
I'm comparing that to being in
front of the class.

1108
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Like I'm saying, teaching is so
good because it's actually not

1109
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,520
far off that same feeling.
And I think part of that comes

1110
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,680
from, and this is where maybe
teachers are divided and I'm not

1111
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,040
speaking to the masses here, is
because I genuinely love the

1112
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,120
subject.
So I'm really, when I say this,

1113
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,720
I'm thinking about maths.
Like that's the first thing I

1114
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,520
think, 'cause I love the subject
maths.

1115
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,320
I loved maths growing up and
then and when I got into

1116
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,080
teaching really it would have
been my dream job to just teach

1117
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,200
maths all day and I love
teaching maths and I've learnt

1118
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,120
to love other subjects as well
over the years.

1119
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,080
Like I do enjoy teaching English
now as I didn't at the.

1120
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,240
Start.
It's because you've got better

1121
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,360
at it.
I think so, yeah.

1122
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,560
I've got better at it.
I'm performing, confident with

1123
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,720
it, and I've found a way to
teach English, that I like to

1124
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,600
teach English where the kids
enjoy it just as much as when I

1125
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,400
teach them maths.
Sure.

1126
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,800
So I guess that, you know, maybe
there are teachers out there who

1127
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,120
I've gone into the job for all
these other reasons we've

1128
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,840
discussed, but don't, you know,
don't have an intrinsic love for

1129
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,000
like a particular subject.
Or maybe it's like history, but

1130
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,640
they only get to teach that like
once a week who are listening to

1131
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,440
this thinking, I can't really
relate.

1132
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,160
But for me, I think because I
have such a genuine love for the

1133
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,320
subjects I teach, particularly
the core subjects that we teach

1134
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,240
every day, I'm, it allows me to
escape and be like, well, I love

1135
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,120
playing this game.
I love watching that TV series

1136
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,000
and I bloody love maths.
So I'm going to really enjoy

1137
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,080
teaching that, you know, plus
all these other things.

1138
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,200
I am gonna really enjoy myself
for this next hour, yeah, being

1139
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,720
in front of these kids, teaching
them this maths.

1140
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,000
Lesson yeah, I think that's a
big part of it isn't it One of

1141
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,600
the reasons when I when I
trained to become a teacher I

1142
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920
think I've told the story before
you have to get some time in a

1143
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,520
secondary school and a primary
school and I was really torn

1144
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,680
between either becoming a
secondary school history teacher

1145
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,600
because that's what I did as my
degree and I love history, or a

1146
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,000
primary school teacher I didn't
know just.

1147
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,320
A quick one.
Did you have to get time in

1148
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,320
secondary school?
Because yeah.

1149
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,760
Yeah, it's still a week.
I still a week in both.

1150
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,040
That's really yeah.
They wanted you to do a week in

1151
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,120
both is.
That because you did a

1152
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,440
specialist in?
Probably because I didn't know I

1153
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,880
was a specialist.
No, I didn't.

1154
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,080
Have to do that.
But yeah, I'm still weak.

1155
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
So I went to my old school and I
think I shadowed the history

1156
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,240
teacher and I was like, this is
cool.

1157
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,400
I like history fine.
I went into primary school and I

1158
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,840
was like, Oh my God, I love
this.

1159
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,280
And I can still teach history,
but I can also teach maths.

1160
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,840
And it was huge.
And what swayed me in the end

1161
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,800
was I can, I can do a maths
specialism course.

1162
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,520
I love maths.
I did maths at A level.

1163
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,720
I didn't do it at university,
but I can go back to maths is

1164
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,600
what I love and I can teach
maths.

1165
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
But do you know what?
In this option with primary,

1166
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,440
I'll also teach history, which I
really enjoy.

1167
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,920
I like getting lost in history.
And I guess this is another

1168
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,400
point I want to talk about
again.

1169
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,160
I'm someone.
I love trivia, I love quizzes, I

1170
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,800
love knowledge, I love learning.
This is why I think I gravitated

1171
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,520
to teaching, because I love
being in a place where you can

1172
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,080
learn things and you can help
other.

1173
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,000
People I know, Dylan, how many
quiz shows you've been on?

1174
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,880
Plenty at 4, plenty 44 exactly
4.

1175
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,320
I want two of them and I didn't.
I lost to them.

1176
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,080
Anyway, I love learning stuff
and as a teacher a big thing for

1177
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,520
you.
Learn a lot, you do.

1178
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,160
It sounds crazy but you you and
I both know.

1179
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,840
We did a quiz round the other
day and there were 15 random

1180
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,880
questions in this quiz we were
doing, and I honestly think 12

1181
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,080
of them.
We could look honestly 12.

1182
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,600
We looked at each other and
went, well, we've taught this.

1183
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,640
Yeah, there was there was
something about ancient Maya.

1184
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,080
There was something about Roman
numerals.

1185
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,200
There's.
Some Henry Yates wives.

1186
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Henry Yates wives and I was
like, yeah, we literally teach

1187
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,000
this to children like as our
job.

1188
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,160
And you learn a lot passively
and you get a lot out of it and

1189
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,040
and that's something I really
enjoy.

1190
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,040
I like teaching a subject
because firstly you might have a

1191
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,000
kind of idea, but as you're
planning stuff and as you're

1192
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,000
researching it yourself to
deliver to the children, you

1193
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,800
learn lots yourself and you
broaden your horizons.

1194
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,400
And when we say to it's really
important to broaden children's

1195
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,160
horizons for them to learn about
different cultures, well, that's

1196
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,960
coming through me as the
teacher, in which case I'm

1197
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
broadening my horizons at the
same time.

1198
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,400
So you become more of a
well-rounded person, I think.

1199
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,360
And is there anything more sweet
right after all of this?

1200
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,640
There's already enjoying
enjoyable, right?

1201
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,960
And then at the end of your
lesson, a kid makes it clear

1202
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,480
that they didn't really like
that subject before you taught

1203
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,720
it to them, and now they love
it.

1204
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,800
Like, you know, there's just so
many layers in this, Jola, We've

1205
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,800
already talked about full film,
but that is kind of like another

1206
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,840
branch, isn't it?
Kids actually like enjoying a

1207
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,000
subject.
The whole subject, because of

1208
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,320
the way you've taught it to
them, is such a sweet feeling.

1209
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,440
I can summarise this literally
this week, and I think I've told

1210
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440
you this story because it was.
It really made me laugh.

1211
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,360
I taught a lesson this week on
lines of latitude, imaginary

1212
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,520
lines around the earth growing
horizontally just so we know

1213
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,440
where where someone is on the
earth, and the fact that as you

1214
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,920
get further north or further
South, it tends to get colder.

1215
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,160
That was literally the lesson.
OK, it was just about lines of

1216
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,680
latitude and I remember I was we
were getting towards the end of

1217
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,680
the lesson and I said, guys,
we're nearly finished.

1218
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,400
Let's just crack on.
Come on, let's just finish this.

1219
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,600
And you know what, it looks like
it might have half an hour at

1220
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,680
the end of the day.
We can read our class book, we

1221
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,120
can get on with it and we can we
can really enjoy that book.

1222
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,320
We just going to get this lesson
is.

1223
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:06,760
This because you were thinking,
oh, this lessons.

1224
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,560
Boring, I honestly thought to
myself.

1225
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,160
I thought as the teacher
delivering it, I was like, I'm

1226
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,520
really struggling to inspire
during this lesson on the lines

1227
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,880
of latitude.
It's not like it's not like the

1228
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,840
story of the Anglo Saxons
invading or something.

1229
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,800
I was like, OK, gosh, so we got
the atlases out.

1230
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
I was trying to make it as
inspirational as possible.

1231
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,800
But they love looking at maps
and stuff.

1232
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,480
But at the end of the day, we
are just talking about the

1233
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,480
tropical Capricorn and the
Antarctic Circle.

1234
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,880
Like it's a bit dry.
And this one girl put her hand

1235
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,240
up.
I went, no, I'm loving this

1236
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,040
lesson.
I love this lesson.

1237
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,800
I want to do this all.
I want to do this all afternoon.

1238
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,800
And I just thought, OK,
brilliant that that's, you know,

1239
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,720
you're delivering this lesson on
lines of latitude and this girl

1240
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,280
is saying she absolutely loves
it.

1241
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,840
Yeah.
Guys, if I was in a different

1242
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,960
job in the corporate world,
delivering a a slideshow on the

1243
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,840
profit and yield for the last
quarter.

1244
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,280
Do you think someone put hands
up?

1245
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,400
No, no, I don't want to leave
early.

1246
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,640
I'm loving this, this
presentation on yield and

1247
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,440
profit.
Of course not.

1248
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,480
And that's that's what you get.
Well, the shareholders might.

1249
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,280
The shareholders might as the
CEO depends on the presentation,

1250
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,960
but yeah, yeah, of course this
is what you get from this job,

1251
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,680
pure unadulterated joy and and
wanting to learn stuff and you

1252
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,400
get to cultivate it.
It's so nice.

1253
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,280
Quick thing on lines of
latitude, just going off

1254
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,280
subject.
You've done this really nice

1255
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,640
point.
I'm just going to bring it down

1256
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,840
down here.
One year I was teaching

1257
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,560
longitude and latitude and to
make it at first I was like,

1258
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,200
this is probably the right thing
to say, but like I remember it

1259
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,800
is it's lines of fatitude
because it goes around the waist

1260
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,200
of the earth.
And I was like, and I was sort

1261
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,920
of like, probably shouldn't
encourage that, but.

1262
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,040
You do remember?
It does.

1263
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,480
That is a good way of
remembering it, isn't it?

1264
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,960
Now in my head, honestly, in my
mind, I'm like, which one?

1265
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,360
Longitude and latitude I might.
Latitude goes around the waist.

1266
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Do we help you?
Do we help you go on latitudes

1267
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,560
literally round with flat
latitude, flat lines, you've got

1268
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,680
flatitude or a much more one
that's on the line of being like

1269
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,440
horrible?
I think let's go for the

1270
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,800
horrible one.
Yeah.

1271
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Lines of flatitude.
Yeah, of latitude.

1272
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,880
I like that.
There you go.

1273
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,800
And the other one is the other.
One the other one's the other

1274
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,000
one.
Yeah, I teach so much stuff like

1275
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,120
that, by the way, like the
homophone is your and your I

1276
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,640
always, whenever there's stuff
that's two.

1277
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,400
Yeah.
I'm always like, well, just

1278
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,440
learn one of them.
Yeah.

1279
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,160
And the other one is always the
other thing that's.

1280
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,880
It I find that when it comes to
it's, I'm just like, right guys,

1281
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,240
can you say it is instead of
that word?

1282
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,520
Yes, an apostrophe.
No, the other one.

1283
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,680
Yeah.
Because the other one is like,

1284
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,040
well, it's, it's a possessive
pronoun.

1285
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,360
And it's like if you're and as
soon as you say that, the kids

1286
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,920
like what I'm like, hey, listen
kids, can you say it is?

1287
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,320
It's not that one.
It's the other one then, without

1288
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,280
the apostrophe.
Yeah, exactly.

1289
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,920
That's a good thing.
With apostrophe is former

1290
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,280
friends I.
Don't think there's a problem.

1291
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,760
I don't think there's an
intrinsic problem with that.

1292
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,720
I think like, yeah, it's great
to learn the things, but also in

1293
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,560
life, like you do need
shortcuts.

1294
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,240
You are remembering a million
things.

1295
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,280
Sorry, lines of latitude.
Do you know what they are?

1296
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,000
Let me spend 3 seconds Googling
it.

1297
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,560
Oh, they're the flat lines.
Like, I'm not even joking in

1298
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,720
real life.
In real life, if you're not

1299
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:04,040
doing a trivia quiz, you're not
on the chase, right?

1300
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,120
If you're on the chase, OK, you
kind of need to know that.

1301
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,320
If you're just a functioning
member of society, OK, Does it

1302
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,720
really matter if you know
whether a static mite goes from

1303
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:14,880
the floor or the ceiling?
No, because I'm never actually

1304
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,280
going to use it.
And what you're learning about

1305
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,920
it, it's cool.
You're fostering a love for

1306
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,080
curiosity.
I love for finding things out.

1307
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,320
One or two kids might get
completely inspired, end up

1308
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,520
being geographers when they're
older.

1309
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Brilliant.
It's worth.

1310
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,200
Learning stuff is good for the
sake of learning stuff.

1311
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,080
Sometimes you don't always have
to think what capitalist outcome

1312
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,960
can come from this because are
you going to do a job at the end

1313
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,240
of it?
Then it's pointless doing it in

1314
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,920
school if you're not going to
get a job at the end of it.

1315
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,320
No, you can learn things because
you want to show this the love

1316
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,240
of learning.
Interesting.

1317
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,640
And it's interesting.
And it's about the world that we

1318
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,240
live in.
Yeah.

1319
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,480
Cool.
But.

1320
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,000
But also if at the end of that
lesson, not all 32 children can

1321
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,880
retain for the next month that
the stalagmite is this way

1322
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,760
around.
Yeah.

1323
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,040
Do you need to think about it
and worry and put in place lots

1324
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,680
of interventions and oh, my
gosh, you need to know exactly

1325
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,920
what these words means.
You know what?

1326
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,720
No.
Yeah, you don't.

1327
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,640
It was the process of learning
that was the important thing.

1328
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,720
Leave it at that.
Move on to something.

1329
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:06,200
Else joint of the subject
exactly.

1330
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,040
It's not like reading.
They can't read.

1331
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,240
They obviously need to have some
help because you need to be able

1332
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,520
to read to function in society.
If you don't remember who

1333
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,800
Augustus Caesar proceeded, So
what?

1334
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,000
Yeah, just Google it.
Yeah, you're right.

1335
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,920
Because in English, actually
these things, they do just need

1336
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,880
to, they do need to know the
hormones.

1337
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,640
They do need to know it's and
it's because you know what, we

1338
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,440
would write all the time and
write all the time, genuinely in

1339
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,920
every walk of life, you write
stuff.

1340
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,280
So you do kind of just need to
know the basics and actually

1341
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,840
just remembering.
And mnemonics are fine for doing

1342
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,640
that, you know we don't know.
Everything has to be mutually

1343
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,640
broken down at every single.
Point and also just remember

1344
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,680
stuff, just go full circle.
It's also fine to just remember

1345
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,840
one of the things and know the
other ones.

1346
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,720
The other one like bear and
bear, That's my favourite one.

1347
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,240
Like a bear cupboard.
I always think, yeah, OK.

1348
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:44,440
The lack of something is bear.
Yeah.

1349
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,320
And everything else is BEAR.
The animal, all the other stuff,

1350
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,720
it's just bear.
There you go, kids.

1351
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,680
That's how you do it.
All right, I'm not going to go

1352
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,440
through all of the different
homophones of bear BEBEAR.

1353
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,480
Not really.
Just remember that BARE is like

1354
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,360
bear.
Lack of something.

1355
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,840
Everything else is this one
done.

1356
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,120
And it's just, you know,
there'll be something.

1357
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,600
There'll be something that
breaks the rule somewhere.

1358
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,080
I'm.
Not saying I can't bear it.

1359
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,920
BEAR because.
There's not the lack.

1360
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Of something.
Not a bear, though.

1361
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,720
Anyway, we've lost it.
We're gonna have one.

1362
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,520
But you know what?
Look, we've kind of, I think

1363
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,120
we've, I hope we've redeemed the
negativity that we've had in

1364
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,680
some other episodes.
We've talked a lot about really

1365
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,080
the fulfilment of the job.
That's everything we've said so

1366
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,400
far realistically is about this
job is enjoyable and it makes

1367
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,640
you feel a sense of fulfilment
and you feel good going home and

1368
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040
you're making an impact on kids.
And all of those reasons are

1369
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,440
reasons that people stay in
teaching.

1370
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,480
But there are some other
reasons.

1371
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,120
I'm going to, I'm going to say
because I can't.

1372
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,720
I'm the guy that brings up money
all the time.

1373
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,280
But the pension, yeah, I have
to, I have to say it like, I

1374
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,560
mean, most perks of teaching
have been eroded over the years

1375
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,440
and the pension did even it.
Used to be better, yeah.

1376
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,360
Has been eroded it.
Used to be better, but the

1377
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,800
pension scheme and teaching is
still extremely good and better

1378
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,640
than most jobs that will give
you a pension or private

1379
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,800
pensions.
So that is, you know one thing

1380
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,440
if I was ever to leave teaching
and I'm sure people that leave

1381
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,560
teaching do think about this.
It's like you're sacrificing an

1382
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,720
extremely good.
Pension, yeah, the contribution

1383
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,840
is huge compared to what someone
has to do.

1384
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,280
Yeah, it does go above and
beyond.

1385
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,000
It is a huge part of someones
choice if they're thinking about

1386
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,400
leaving.
Yeah, because I think again

1387
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,560
we've been quite idealistic to
this point.

1388
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,560
I think the fulfilment thing,
the percentage of this episode

1389
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,520
we've talked about fulfilment, I
genuinely think is the

1390
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,480
percentage of the reason why I'm
still teaching.

1391
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,440
Yeah.
And but this last bit is

1392
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,960
important because at the end of
the day, we've said it a million

1393
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,320
times before, maybe this is
going to get clipped into a reel

1394
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,560
and someone will go, wow, you're
just the capitalist screwed.

1395
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,440
You know what I mean?
They're a lot of money.

1396
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,200
It's like, well, do you know,
yeah, I'm talking about money

1397
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,120
because we live in a capitalist
society and the pension is

1398
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,000
important.
And a big part of the perk of

1399
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,560
being a teacher is you get an
amazing pension.

1400
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,640
I've.
Got to pay for this studio

1401
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,080
somehow.
Exactly how on earth can we get

1402
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,480
this lovely sound board that we
see at the back of the room that

1403
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,880
it's just absolutely nothing to
the sound?

1404
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:50,680
It's important that I spend that
money on a item.

1405
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,880
It's really important.
But yeah, pension's important

1406
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,040
and it's a huge reason.
Again, if you move jobs or

1407
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,440
become self-employed, even you
lose everything.

1408
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,320
You don't get employers
contribution anymore.

1409
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,680
You are your employer.
Yeah, like you don't get it.

1410
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,480
So it's a really, really
powerful thing.

1411
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,120
And even though it has been
eroded and when we talk about

1412
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,680
things like pay and pensions and
we say it needs to be put back

1413
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,960
up, when someone says, well,
it's good as it is, I'm just

1414
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,600
like, yeah, it is good as it is,
but it's worse than it used to

1415
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,720
be.
So I'm just getting less for no

1416
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,240
reason.
And I don't like that fact.

1417
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,680
And you've said it yourself
before, that mentality is just,

1418
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,520
well, everyone should be just
paid the same then, shouldn't

1419
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,760
they?
No, Teaching is hard.

1420
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,600
It's a profession.
We've trained for years.

1421
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,560
We've spent thousands of pounds
to learn how to do it.

1422
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,560
We're trusted with over 30
children in a room to make

1423
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,320
progress.
With who?

1424
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,800
Are literally the next
generation of adults like it's

1425
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,640
a.
Very important job and it

1426
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,800
deserves renumeration and that
matches it.

1427
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,520
It just winds me up.
That person who talks about he's

1428
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,000
living right free in my head.
A little troll.

1429
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,880
I don't know.
It's annoying me that he is but.

1430
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,880
You do it for the fulfilment,
Dylan, but also we need to, we

1431
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,400
need to encourage like more
skilled teachers to come and do

1432
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,800
the job properly.
So what do you want?

1433
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,960
But do we accept the capitalist
world that we live in where

1434
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,160
actually if we want to attract
really high skilled teachers, we

1435
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,320
need to pay them really well or
we're just going to say no, they

1436
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,840
should just want to come do it.
Yeah, exactly what they don't do

1437
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,720
there because they're going to
go on an 80K as a constant

1438
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,080
surveyor.
They're not going to come and

1439
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,120
teach you history before 40K.
They're not going to do it.

1440
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Yeah, it's a capitalist
mentality apparently to suggest

1441
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,240
that we should be paid better.
So these.

1442
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,400
No, it's capitalist to say that
other people in jobs that I deem

1443
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,760
less important because I'm
saying how important this job is

1444
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,640
and you should just know that's
important to have fulfilment.

1445
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,120
I should just pay your bills.
It's very capitalist for you to

1446
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,280
suggest you should get more
money.

1447
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,720
In fact, my mind sits much
better where the other people

1448
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,720
doing the less important jobs
get twice as much money.

1449
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,560
That's really you're such a
capitalist wanting the same as

1450
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,480
what are you talking about, you
idiot.

1451
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,320
That's capitalist.
What you're saying?

1452
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,160
Let someone who just makes money
make money and the important

1453
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,320
jobs just get mugged off because
fulfilment?

1454
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Yeah, like it has to come as a
package.

1455
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,480
So yeah, that one Instagram
comment we got that one time.

1456
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,760
That's what we think.
All right.

1457
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,080
It's just why I'm sick of this
capitalist mentality.

1458
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,600
Yeah, What, what, what this I'm,
I'm arguing against capitalism.

1459
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,720
I'm arguing against the fact
that the private sector in these

1460
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,160
jobs, which we all accept,
including you take saying this

1461
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,400
to me right now, you accept that
teaching is more important than

1462
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,720
I'm going to say it being a
chartered surveyor.

1463
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,400
OK, I know this.
You should get the money you

1464
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,640
get.
I'm not detriment.

1465
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,120
I have friends who do this job.
This is why I can say that it is

1466
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,720
important.
It is important though, because

1467
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,360
you're you're making buildings,
you know, you know, have

1468
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:27,600
contracts that are safe and
stuff.

1469
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,200
OK, fine.
But let's not pretend that

1470
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,120
everything we just talked about
in this episode is therefore

1471
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,560
makes what we're saying now
relevant.

1472
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,200
Yeah, Yeah, the pension's
important.

1473
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,200
It's a good thing.
It's a good part of the job.

1474
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,320
Yeah.
And it is tiring hearing people

1475
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,240
say, yeah, people would listen
to that last 50 minutes and be

1476
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,360
like, oh, there you go, then
that's why you're doing the job.

1477
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,320
Stop asking for more money.
You get fulfilment and that's

1478
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,400
worth more.
Yeah, it doesn't.

1479
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,400
It just doesn't pay the bills.
Like, at the end of the day, it

1480
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,120
is great.
But I tell you, what isn't great

1481
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,800
is if I didn't, if I couldn't
pay my mortgage, you know, to

1482
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,760
move out, like, those things
wouldn't be good.

1483
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,240
Like, there needs to be a
balance.

1484
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,000
There has to be a balance at end
of the day.

1485
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,960
If you want teachers to stop
quitting, you want teachers to

1486
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,440
work more hours than they get
paid for.

1487
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,080
There's got to be some sort of
enumeration.

1488
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,320
Further than feels good, doesn't
it?

1489
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:17,960
It's like, yeah.
It does feel good.

1490
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,520
I tell you what, it felt good 20
years ago when teachers were

1491
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,800
paid literally 50% more than
they're paid now, like for the

1492
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,720
same job.
It felt good then and it feels

1493
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,280
just as good now.
But what doesn't feel good is

1494
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,120
that is that.
But there we are not gonna be

1495
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:30,720
too negative, are we?
We're just gonna I.

1496
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,200
Don't think it's negative to say
that either.

1497
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,040
So I think we've been very, very
honest in this episode and.

1498
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,600
There are a lot of reasons, a
lot of reasons that people say

1499
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,120
in this people.
Are probably shouting right now

1500
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,880
and saying hello the biggest
reason I've not left yet is

1501
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,960
because of the salary and we'll
just very quickly touch upon it

1502
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,160
because it it links to what we
just said the salary for

1503
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,520
teaching right now is a good
salary there I do not expect

1504
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,200
anyone who quits teaching I
don't think anyone else does to

1505
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,840
walk out of teaching and just
pick up a job on the same amount

1506
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,000
of money it's not realistic we
we understand that and the

1507
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,960
salary is good comparatively
yeah comparatively when we're

1508
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,520
when we're talking about the
salary we're talking about pay

1509
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,840
restoration we're talking about
the fact that yet when we say we

1510
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,280
want.
Want more money and we're not

1511
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,200
actually just saying we deserve
more money this because because

1512
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,480
just because we're teachers and
we deserve more money.

1513
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,560
What we are literally saying is
we want the same buying power

1514
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,360
that the exact same profession
had 20 years ago that's been

1515
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,200
squeezed and squeezed and
squeezed and squeezed.

1516
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,880
That's when we say more money,
we mean restoration.

1517
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,920
We don't mean above and beyond.
We mean because of inflation

1518
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,680
compared to what we've actually
got through austerity when we

1519
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,480
got no rises at all.
We have been squeezed, squeezed,

1520
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,880
squeezed.
We, we just want that buying

1521
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,280
power back to put this job back
on a pedestal rather than this

1522
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,440
move that we seem to have where
less money for the job,

1523
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,120
requiring less qualifications
for the job.

1524
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,680
Because instead of trying to
solve the retention crisis by

1525
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,040
putting money where the
professionals are and putting

1526
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,280
the best people in for the job,
what they're saying is, well,

1527
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,440
we'll solve this job.
We'll do.

1528
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,160
We'll keep the pay low, but
we'll make it much easier to be

1529
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,720
I'm a teacher and you don't need
to have as many qualifications.

1530
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,720
Is this an important job or not
to have?

1531
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Has it got less important over
20 years?

1532
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,000
That's that's what what the
actions are suggesting in your

1533
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,600
opinion.
But everyone says it's not

1534
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,040
known.
Teaching's just as important as

1535
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,680
it was.
OK, pay me the same then That is

1536
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,520
it simple as that.
I think it should be a high paid

1537
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,440
job.
I'm not afraid to say it.

1538
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,080
I think it should be a high paid
job, simple as that.

1539
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,600
Like there's no there's there's
not actually a problem in in

1540
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,640
saying, oh, you think you are,
You're worth one.

1541
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,640
No, we think, we all think it's
a really important job.

1542
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,560
So therefore, just like other
really important jobs that are

1543
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,120
paid much higher, it should also
be a high paying job.

1544
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,240
Simple as that.
That's what I think anyway.

1545
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,040
But there we are.
So yeah, lots and lots of great

1546
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,360
things about teaching, lots of
reasons that make it extremely

1547
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,080
hard to quit.
And I will be honest, in my

1548
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,320
career, there have been times
where I've thought to myself is,

1549
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,800
is the stress?
Is my, is this all worth it?

1550
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,920
Like should I just go and get
another job, take that pay cut?

1551
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,120
And it's these kind of things
that we've discussed today where

1552
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,840
I'm sort of, I battled in my
mind where I'm like, oh, but

1553
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,400
these things do that.
It does make it hard to make

1554
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,080
that decision.
But you know what, there's a lot

1555
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,960
of people it's not making the
decision hard for.

1556
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,120
And the government have got a
real problem with, with solving

1557
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it.
So absolutely, we'll discuss

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that more.
In that chat that.

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Was nice that.
Was good.

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I liked being passionate because
you know what, We bloody love

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it.
We do love it.

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Fantastic.
Nice one guys, see you next time

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follows on Instagram.
Oh, and by the way, if you've

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got this far, God, give us a
review.

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Nearly 100 on Spotify.
It really helps us out and we'll

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see you again next time.
Bye.