Ep 80: Is Teaching A Job For Life Anymore?

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach, Sneak,

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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My name is Hayden.
Oh, sound a bit groggy.

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You sound a bit groggy.
That's what three weeks of

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teaching does.
Yeah.

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Oh, I really do sound horrible.
Yeah, well.

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There you go.
That's me today.

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Good job.
This is the medium where the

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only thing that matters is how
you sound.

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Audio Done.
Your hair.

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You look great.
Done my hair but you sound

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groggy.
Yeah, so on the podcast.

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I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you it does look

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great.
Well, your shirt on.

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If you're not watching, you
gotta start watching guys,

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because you get a real treat
here, Dylan.

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One of us looks like we bother
to make an attempt when we come

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here.
OK guys, it is a podcast.

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This is episode 80.
You can't.

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You can't do 79 episodes not
doing that and then claim.

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I can.
I am taking the superior moral

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high ground here.
How's your week been in school?

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Yeah, it's been a really nice
week.

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I don't.
We'll talk about one thing,

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which is that we are so Dylan,
I'm Ashley's our school.

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And we look for our sins.
Right, Yeah, yeah, We tried to

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get away from the from the role.
I when I moved school, I was

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like, yes, no more leadership.
Doing all podcasts about middle

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leadership and how it's really
that I know got it just grinds

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you down.
We do lead maths, we do.

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We do lead maths, at least we
share it.

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But the context as well is that
it's it's, you know, we don't

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actually do anything extra in
terms of anything we do is in

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school.
Yeah, exactly.

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So it's very well managed and
that's why it's a good job

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because we love maths as well.
Yeah.

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Something we didn't before.
You carry on something we didn't

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really mention too much last
week because again, lots of new

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listeners from last night.
So welcome is we didn't really

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talk about passion too much and
we talked about middle

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leadership and we talked more
like the admin a year group

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roles and and not not many
people have a passion to be like

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a leader of a year group.
I think sure, but a big point.

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A few people messaged us and
said were was completely agree.

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Amazing, you know, but I'm lead
of music in our school because I

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love music.
Yeah, that's very passionate And

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and I get to, you know,
introduce cool stuff to the kids

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they wouldn't get otherwise
because I've got a passion for

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it.
And I was like, that's that's

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the reason why.
Yeah, definitely you do.

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I remember having passion, no,
but I remember when the first

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time I wanted maths leave, it
was genuinely, I didn't care

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about anything.
They could have paid me nothing.

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I was, I just, I just love
maths.

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I was like, I have to do this.
I really want to do this.

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It feels good.
And then you know about the time

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I was like, I can maybe work up
the ladder from this.

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This is like another step.
It's all in one, isn't?

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It, it was all in one, but it's
definitely the passion was a

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huge thing and I still love
maths, which is why we lead it

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even though we sit here saying
oh, middle leadership's not

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worth it or but we make a bit of
a.

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But but for us, this, this is
this is actually, you know,

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probably worth it.
We enjoy it.

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And actually our school, which
is not toxic, it's, it's

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manageable OK to do so anyway.
But yeah, one thing, one thing

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Dylan and I are focusing on, we
kind of just want to get your

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thoughts ready.
But we're going to focus on

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timetables this year because
we're noticing, I don't know,

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for whatever reason, perhaps
it's just random, but we're

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just, we're just noticing that
timetables are as is a lot of

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things are just getting a bit
weaker over the years.

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And we want it, we want to make
an impact.

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And why do you?
Think that is, I don't.

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Want to, I don't want to go
against everything we ever say,

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right?
And be like, oh, we're just not

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doing it as well or whatever,
Like, oh, this we're not.

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It could genuinely just be that
we've had three cohorts in a

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row, we're just not at the same
level.

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That is it.
And then that could honestly be

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it.
And actually we're we're doing

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providing good teaching and they
just find it.

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They just find it a bit harder.
So our stats went down a bit.

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You know, like with like with
stats, some years you get good

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data, some years you don't.
It doesn't mean that your

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teachers suddenly got really bad
that year and then the next year

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they got good again.
It's like, yeah, it's just not

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how it works.
We're doing the same thing.

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But I do, I do think there's a
little bit of a little bit of

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complacency perhaps from us,
sure, in that we could probably

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put a few more things in place,
which is what we're trying to

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do.
So we're Dylan, I were bashing

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heads of our assistant head the
other day just thinking what can

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we actually do to like really
make it an easy, quick impact on

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children, retaining timetables
facts because they are

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essential.
We've got the year for

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multiplication check in place
now, which I don't think is a

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bad thing.
No, I quite like that actually.

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You know, I'm against, you know,
tests in general get a bad rap.

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We talked about SAT actually
being a good thing and like, you

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need to check where children
are.

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I think the low stakes check of
a times table at the end of year

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4 is actually really good.
Yeah, yeah, it's really useful.

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And there aren't like league
tables and things, so it's

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actually.
Kind of useful.

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It's information for the school
and the children.

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And I think it's.
Like cool.

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Well, actually, now you're in
Year 5, you should know your

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times tables.
We know that you don't.

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Yeah, let's work on it.
Yeah, I think that's the best

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version of a.
Test.

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Yeah, I agree.
But anyway, that's where we're

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at.
You know, we're now thinking

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about times tables and trying to
think of ways to implement like

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short.
What we don't want to do is be

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massive hypocrites and go up to
teachers and be like, hey,

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here's this massive workload
thing that you have to do now

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because we think there's been
really good for timetables.

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So we all need you to make 6
displays and you just change

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your lessons completely and plan
in this thing five times a week.

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Now that's going to take you
ages.

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I tell you what, we almost fell
into that trap load when we were

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when we're talking about it
because you were like in your

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head.
It's a lovely idea.

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Kids have this lovely
progression on a, on a display.

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That's meaning, yeah.
Like a ladder, you know, where

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kids get to go up and it's like,
oh, who can be like a times

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table champion at the top?
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And so it is nice.
But suddenly that's.

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That is useful and that is
something the kids might cling

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on to.
But again, I, we just had to say

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to no, we're not going to go to
staff and say you have to have

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this in your room, please, thank
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Because it just means they have
to do it at some point.

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And we literally just spoke
about the list of stuff, that

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stuff I'm not expected to do.
So, you know, we're very much

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still in that mindset.
And I can see how people slip

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into it.
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And a bit like, oh, well, you
know, someones gotta do it.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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But.
We're passionate right now, so

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everyone should be.
Yes, exactly.

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That's a huge problem, isn't it?
Yeah.

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And when I say problem, it's
it's, it's horrible to say it's

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a problem, someone passionate.
But how many times have you been

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sat in a staff meeting or, you
know, heard something from

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leaders in certain subjects or
just across the school where

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they are so passionate and happy
because they think they've

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solved this problem and they
don't even think about how much

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workload it's going to put in
everyone else.

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They're just like, Oh my God,
this thing, it's so cool.

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This is going to really help
vocab I'll.

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Give you a classic example.
Exactly.

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Funny enough, what you just said
there at the end is like, OK,

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you're in a geography staff
meeting, right?

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Come on.
Firstly, come on.

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I'm sorry, geography.
I'm sorry, geography leads, but

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geography, man, like, come on.
And they're in there and they're

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saying, right, guys, from now
on, every week you need to have

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a little bit of a geography
display where I've got

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permission from SLT, We have it
in the corner of this one.

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Everyone's got a prints and
vocab.

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And you've got to have got to
find 5 minutes at the end of the

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day to go onto like a website
where we're going to look at

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like maps and stuff.
And everyone has to do this.

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And it's like, yeah, that's a
really cool idea.

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It's really nice, Lovely idea.
I don't do that because you know

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what history need also just told
me to do this thing that also

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requires just another 5 minutes
and another 5 minutes.

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I'm like, look, it's great.
You're passionate.

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This is what I want to say to
myself sometimes and you kind of

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did.
You grounded me a bit.

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It's like, cool, you're
passionate and that is a nice

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idea, but I'm not going to go
and tell all the staff now

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randomly on top of all their
work that they already can't

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manage.
Now you've got to do this

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display, which two weeks ago in
our podcast when we talked about

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the SPCD.
All good try.

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STPCD, I mean, I don't know.
Good try.

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All good try though.
The guidelines literally say now

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teachers should not be doing.
It's very clearly worded

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displays.
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So yeah.
So no, not gonna do that.

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No, unless they want to.
Yeah, well, we can.

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I'm not.
We can say this might be a nice

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idea, This might be this might
might be a nice idea, but it's

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not mandatory.
But we promise you if you don't

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do it, we will think absolutely
no differently of you.

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And it's not required and it's
not something we're going to

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judge progress on.
Yeah, we're not going to say,

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oh, it's your choice.
And then when someone does, it

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be like, wow, you've got better
progress and.

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Stuff.
What we will be monitoring is

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whether we do implement
something like a slight change

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to our starter activities or
just an expectation that

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actually four times a week now
rather than three times a week

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you want to do this activity.
That's the kind of thing that we

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will monitoring, but well if
that wasn't additional workload,

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it's just slightly tweaking the
timetable that you need to do

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that sort of thing.
I've got something linked to

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that based on my week, so is
there anything else you want to

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say about maths?
1st no, I just, I just want to

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leave it with, with you guys
really, because we're both kind

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of interested to hear if you're
a maths leader or even just in

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your school, you think that that
times tables has done quite

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well.
Please write in like, what do

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you do?
Because we really want to

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implement something good that's
fairly easy to do, that has a

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that has a decent impact on
children retaining their

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timetables, facts and including
division.

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Facts.
Yeah, because we can't.

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You can't rely on home.
No, you just can't.

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You just can't.
Like TTRS is great.

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We use.
It Yeah, it's easy to say you've

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got to learn them at home.
I know.

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But yeah, children aren't.
So what can we do?

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Too many children aren't anyway.
Yeah, go on, talk about.

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No, it's, it's kind of linked
into what you said about, you

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know, things being piled on top
of each other.

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I think we talked about this a
long time ago on the podcast.

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And but there's just one thing
after the other being piled on,

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piled on an expectation of
you've got to do this because X.

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You've got to do this because Y.
And every single explanation is

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a good explanation as to why.
And as a teacher, you see it's

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reasonable and you think it's
good.

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You see, they're passionate
about it.

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Completely.
And you know, it makes sense

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like yeah, of course at doing
some vocabulary tasks on words

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they're not, you know, sure
about before you then do this

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session on it is going to help
them understand the session more

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easily.
But you've got to prioritise as

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teacher, you've got to
prioritise.

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And what I've been doing lately,
and I think I mentioned this the

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other week, but I'm just going
to say it again, is trying to

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prioritise some reading time for
the whole class.

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At the end of the day, I can't
get over how powerful it is

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because I've let that slip in
the last couple of years.

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There were people listening
like, of course, at the end of

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the day, it's.
Very common, isn't it?

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It's very common.
It's.

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Really for pleasure.
I think it's down as like maybe

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not statutory, but it's down as
like you should definitely be

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doing this from the.
Government.

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So I feel like I'm just sorry to
jump in by my whole career, I

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feel like there's always been
someone English lead or

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something saying how important
that is.

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And I've always been like, it is
really important.

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You can't do it though.
Yeah, but you have.

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But as a school, we have just
introduced this incredibly

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crammed curriculum in the
afternoon that we've got to get

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through.
And you said we need to do this

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thing at the end and there's
just no time.

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Yeah.
So basically I've just switched

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it because I used to be like,
no, no, no, no, no, no, I've got

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to get through XYZ in the
curriculum because that's been

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told to me.
Well, I've also been told to

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read with the class at the end
of the day.

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OK.
And I'm not doing one of them

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now.
So I've.

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I've just made that conscious
effort to switch it and be like,

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cool, I'm the teacher.
I need to prioritise.

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I'm prioritising reading the
book.

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And I think sometimes what
happens is you look at the task

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that you're doing as a teacher
and you justify not doing it

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because it's lower stakes, less
work put in and you know, the

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optics will be chosen to read
the book as a there's no

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planning.
There's no planning behind

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reading the book.
It's easy to do where it's just

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like, well, actually, OK, let's
flip it and just look at the

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impact it has on the children.
What's your class?

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When you read a good class book
of your kids they are completely

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engrossed and that is what
teaching should be and that's

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why the kids are in school not
to do XYZ because you ticked off

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a box.
Watch your class when you put

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that 5 minutes of vocab up at
the end of the day for

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geography, it's different.
It's different.

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It's so true.
Do you know what?

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It's great.
The children might know what

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meander means now when they come
to do that river unit.

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But you know what was also
great?

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They just loved that story.
Yeah, one of them wants to go

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home and read tonight.
Yeah.

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And that is the biggest impact.
And at the end of the day, I

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don't think anyone's gonna argue
that getting kids to read.

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Yeah, like, come on.
Like, that surely is the primary

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goal, isn't it, kids, to get
kids to read read books?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.
We're not reading with the

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children.
Thank you.

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We're going to go and read this
geography unit.

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Instead.
Oh dear.

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Anyway, anything else about your
week?

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Yeah, I don't know.
In general, Again, reaching out

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to everyone right now.
We're four weeks into term,

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aren't we 4 weeks in?
We've had four weeks and I am

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constantly flabbergasted in
September when you get a new

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class, especially if you're a
bit lower down in the school.

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I'm year 4, so they're
essentially year three children,

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aren't they?
Coming up to year 4, have to be

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Year 4 at the sheer neediness
and hands up constantly.

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Yeah, constantly.
And we've spoken before, haven't

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we, about how you can reason
with the child.

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You know, kids, I'm talking at
the minute and if you've got

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your hand up, you're not really
thinking about what I'm saying.

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That works for 20 seconds.
You're waiting on you to say

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your question.
Oh yeah, okay, kids still got

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their hand up.
So I'm like, OK, this is all

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right then, because clearly this
is really, really important.

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My mum said that when it OK,
really my birthday is in seven

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days.
Oh, that is lovely.

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Do you know what that I like
that fact a lot, but I have just

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asked you.
To write about an Anglo-Saxon.

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So it's lovely, but what about
King Canoe?

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Yeah.
What about, OK, this middle

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ground is harder.
I find that one, I'm sort of a

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bit more like, OK, I can
separate that.

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Yeah, sure.
But when we've said this before,

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I'm sure, but when, when you're
teaching like a history or dog

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free lesson, something like
that, something that's really to

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say, let's go history because it
can be really, really, really

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interesting, like a story almost
in history, can't it?

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And you just constantly have 12
hands up because they even want

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to ask something about the story
or they want to tell you

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something.
I went to this museum recently

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and saw this and it's related.
And I'm like, Oh, I feel bad

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because I want to sit here.
I want all of those kids to feel

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like, yeah, I got to share that
thing, but I know I won't be

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able to complete the lesson.
And also the other kids, that is

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always a thing.
The other kids, if you do like

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three of those in a row, mate,
they've switched off.

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The rest of the kids, I don't
care.

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Kids are brutal.
They don't care about other kids

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stories.
They'll just be like, whatever,

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It's not my story, so not
interested, mate.

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And they just switch off.
So I'm always like, oh, I don't

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want to just constantly be
saying no, put your hands down.

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No, put your hands down.
No, put your hands down.

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I just don't know what the
balance is.

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Where do you find the balance?
I, I think you've just got to

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explain and be brutal with them
and say no, we've got to do the

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lesson.
I'm not interested in you.

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Do you say that?
Do you say no class I miss?

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Do you know who I am?
Do you know who I am?

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I've got a podcast.
All.

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Right.
I'm your teacher.

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OK?
Three days a week.

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I've got a podcast.
Sit down.

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Don't talk to me unless I talk.
I ain't talked to you.

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That's it.
Is that what you say?

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I've heard that.
Oh wow, you might as well have

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been in the room of me.
No, of course not.

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I do say to them now I've been
on TV, so I'm several so and

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last thing, last thing for my
week I've I've bought.

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Do you remember you just spoke
recently about how one of us has

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bought from Timu?
Yeah.

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One of us being you, yeah.
Never doing it again.

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I get all of the horrible parts
of but you.

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I ordered this spinning wheel
because I thought that's cool.

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Yeah, that's cool for the class.
The torture wheel.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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No, this tiny spinning wheel
where you have like a whiteboard

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that you can draw different set,
like with a fortune.

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Yeah, people customise section,
customise it.

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I made it a team point wheel.
Nice.

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Right.
And I just put it in my room and

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I didn't say anything to the
kids.

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They just walked in my that's so
funny.

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Oh my God, the wonder and awe.
They were like, what is that?

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Can I spin it?
Can I spin it?

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I was like, you go on, go on.
You can spin it.

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And they span it and it landed
on like two team TP.

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Yeah.
And they're like, what's 2 TP?

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And they were like, no, it's two
PT because they're looking down

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the bottom where it's upside
down.

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Yeah.
And they didn't know what it

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was.
And I was like, oh, I don't

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know.
You can spin it though.

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They're spin it.
And then in the lesson I said

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I'm not going to give team
points out today because I give

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loads of team points out,
constant constantly giving team

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points out.
I'm not going to give team

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points out today.
But if someone is exceptional at

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something, whether it's being
kind to other people, being sat

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nicely constantly, you know,
watching me, listening, talking

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to their partner when they're
supposed to talk to their

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partner, doing amazing work,
doing their best work.

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If they're practising their
handwriting, then I can see

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they're really trying.
Then then you're going to come

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and spin the wheel.
I've never had behaviour like

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it.
Yeah.

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Oh, my gosh.
Me.

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It was worth it for that one
lesson.

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I was like, the work they
produce and the stuff they did.

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And I at the end, I was like,
the wheel is staying.

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OK.
And also, you've proven to me

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now that you can do this.
And you, you chose because it

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was.
No, that's my point.

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You chose to because there was a
wheel to spin.

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And so I know you can do it.
And they were like, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, I'll do it.
So my question to you is, and to

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everyone at home, how long do
you think the wheel will work

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for?
I was just thinking that I

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reckon like 2 weeks.
You reckon?

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Yeah, I reckon you get 2 weeks
before it starts becoming kind

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of like it was before.
And then they'll need like an

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actual reminder every 10 minutes
that we'll get the no, no.

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No, they'll need a massive wheel
on the floor.

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Yeah, like proper way of
fortune.

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Like they all sat on the wheel
like Michael McIntyre and we

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their own chairs around it.
And I spin the wheel, no.

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I reckon you should do that.
Yeah, Teemu probably sells it.

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Yeah.
Teemu 89899 Teemu.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's so cheap, Teemu.

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Do you know why?
Because it takes 2 1/2 months to

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arrive.
Yeah, because it's coming from

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there.
It took so long, but I checked

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like two weeks after where it is
and it goes in transit in

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Germany, and that's not OK.
I'm just saying all that.

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Yeah.
Do you?

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I think you should spice it up.
I think you should add at least

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one of the sections that says
mission lunch.

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It's like you can spin the
wheel.

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But the you see how brutal these
kids are though, because I did

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it 1 and 2 all the way around
and I made one of them five and

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and someone landed on A5 first
spin.

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You should have seen this,
honestly.

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They did.
They landed on the five first

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spin.
And I was like, that's ruined it

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because that was a jackpot and
that was going to be like, keep

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going with the jackpot.
That was normal.

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Yeah.
So I immediately changed it to

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10.
So 10 team boys for the jackpot.

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And I put a couple of fives in
as well.

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Same kid spin 10.
Jesus.

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But yeah, I put, I put the 10 in
and so they were spinning it and

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they were like two in a row,
then got one either side of the

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10.
And that was just one team

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point, right?
And I've, they were shouting

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like a couple of them saying let
them have 10, let have 10.

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No, I didn't land on it.
Didn't have just one.

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Yeah.
And then a few of them went put

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0 next to the 10.
I can't do that because if

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you're spending it, you've got
something good.

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I can't have you come up and get
nothing.

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Here you go, look, make half of
it bad things, half of good

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things and then just get anyone
up they bad.

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Bad behaviour or good behaviour
you get to spin.

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Now happens anywhere.
Bad behaviour?

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Yeah, you got.
You got, you got rewarded for

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that.
Excellent.

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Oh, let's not talk about that
another time.

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00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,080
Yeah.
Anyway, that's really funny.

452
00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:34,960
Yeah, that's really.
Fun.

453
00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,080
That was my week.
Yeah.

454
00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,080
So I put some effort into
talking about my week.

455
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,120
Maybe next week you will as
well.

456
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,960
You put some effort into being
fun in your classroom as well,

457
00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,640
by the sounds of it.
I need to stop my game, yeah.

458
00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,640
It was fun.
It was good fun.

459
00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,920
Kids were loving it.
I remember because I did hand

460
00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,400
over to my job share.
Yeah, and I forgot to do an

461
00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,320
actual handover, but I did send
her a picture of the wheel and

462
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,400
say we have a team point wheel
now.

463
00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,560
That's all you need to know.
Yeah, yeah, English disaster.

464
00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,280
Don't.
Worry about it.

465
00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,880
I don't know about that.
And there's one last thing we've

466
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,440
got on the board.
I have written down register

467
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,040
record and it was like 32.87.
Yes, right.

468
00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,000
And my job share took a picture
and sent it to me like what is

469
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,760
this, please?
And I was like, oh, sorry, yeah,

470
00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,079
I've known that is how quickly
we can do the register.

471
00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:18,839
So currently every day.
Yeah, every day in the afternoon

472
00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:20,440
because in the morning you've
got to do a lot of lunches and

473
00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,079
stuff.
It just takes a bit longer in

474
00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,200
the afternoon.
They come in unhinged sometimes

475
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,200
from lunchtime.
Crazy.

476
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,480
And I was like, I need something
to to just get them to sit down

477
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:29,080
and get ready.
Yeah.

478
00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,120
So we introduced the Guinness
World Book of Records register.

479
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,400
OK.
So I made-up what the world

480
00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,120
record was like, yeah, it's 35
seconds, See if you can beat it.

481
00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,920
So they beat it immediately,
obviously.

482
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,880
And I'll run 34.
Oh my gosh.

483
00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,200
Because it's just literally
name.

484
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:44,520
Yes.
Name.

485
00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:44,920
Yes.
Name.

486
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:45,760
Yes.
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.

487
00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,440
And I said OK, OK, cool.
We're gonna do it every day.

488
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,880
We're gonna see if we can beat
our time.

489
00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,840
Have you done that before?
I don't know.

490
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,040
I.
Don't have a baby?

491
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,680
Maybe.
Yeah, because now they come in,

492
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,080
they just sit down ready.
Yeah, when do you start the

493
00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,160
timer?
From the minute they come in or

494
00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,920
once they already said.
No, no, they come in, have to

495
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,040
sit down, show me they're ready.
They're already eager to beat

496
00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,640
the time, so they do that now.
They come and sit down.

497
00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,000
Ready.
Are you gonna register record?

498
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,520
Yep.
Okay, okay, that's it.

499
00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,040
I'm ready.
Yeah, and if we beat it, I'll

500
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,680
spin the wheel you got.
How many more gimmicks can you

501
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,400
add in by the end of the year?
I want, I want like a run of

502
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,240
like 12 things that happen all
all necessary.

503
00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,160
Now they won't behave without
them.

504
00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,280
But.
You've introduced them.

505
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,640
There's nothing it won't work.
Now it does.

506
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,000
We will do something with baby
soup because it does kind of run

507
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,400
against my my vibe in general,
which is no gimmicks for

508
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,760
behaviour.
Like I don't really like

509
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,720
gimmicks for behaviour at all.
But to me this is.

510
00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:29,960
Just fun.
I feel like your vibe is more

511
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,600
like no gimmicks for teaching.
I think that's the vibe you've

512
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,240
normally gimick.
It's like, yeah, that's don't

513
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,480
don't come out with some really
bizarre way to help them learn

514
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,120
something in maths.
Yeah, that doesn't actually like

515
00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:41,760
have any meaning.
Like, yeah, that's true.

516
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,080
That's normally.
I feel like, yeah, I think

517
00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,280
you're right with that,
actually, yeah.

518
00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,120
Because with behaviour.
If you walked in and watched me,

519
00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,960
I'm a bit daft.
I'm a bit silly in front of them

520
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,280
with the kids, have really high
expectations and stuff and don't

521
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,280
budget still, but I will joke
around with them.

522
00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,680
I'll make them laugh and but for
me, I like to trick them into

523
00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,040
behaving in the best way
possible where I'm like, I'm

524
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,240
tricking you to being engaged
now because you're engaged by

525
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,280
something I've done and now I've
got your attention and I'm going

526
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,080
to make you feel good.
I don't.

527
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,560
Think that's bad?
I think that's literally what

528
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:10,000
behaving.
Yeah.

529
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,080
No, no, I think, well, true.
I mean, I guess what I'm saying

530
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,000
is I'm thinking more about
having high expectations.

531
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,200
High.
Yeah, you wanna go vanilla?

532
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,800
Vanilla at vanilla mode is like,
yeah, they behave because they

533
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,640
want to.
Yeah, and and do you know what?

534
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,760
Yeah, but 8 year olds, they
aren't gonna do that.

535
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,480
No, they don't.
Some.

536
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,400
Of them will, but yeah.
Something always will enough

537
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,120
won't you could do anything and
some of them will behave.

538
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You gotta try and catch all of

539
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,160
them and it's just little
things.

540
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,560
I agree, but register record
does nothing That that is

541
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,800
honestly nothing.
I I have a timer up next to the

542
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,280
record, next to the register and
I press it.

543
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,960
Yeah.
I think that's a good thing.

544
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,640
I don't think there's any.
I don't think there's a bad side

545
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,040
to that.
Maybe we'll think about it more.

546
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,760
OK, so we should we crack on?
Should we talk about, wait, what

547
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,440
are we talking about?
What?

548
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,680
We're talking about is teaching
a job for life.

549
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,640
Oh yeah, is it?
Yeah, we'll find out after the

550
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,840
Jingle is.
Teaching a job for life anymore?

551
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,120
I'm not doing it.
I'm not doing it.

552
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:05,240
Let's do what you're baiting me
into saying yes or no so you can

553
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,800
take the Mick out of me.
Dylan, I know you are.

554
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,280
Let's talk about it, shall we?
Let's talk about that.

555
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,360
It's a big discussion, isn't it?
It's a sad discussion, I think.

556
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,040
Yeah.
Because I think realistically

557
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,800
and I am going to do the thing I
think realistically, honestly,

558
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,000
I'm going to start at the at the
end.

559
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,040
I think the answer is no.
And I want to explore why in

560
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,320
this episode.
I don't think it's a job for

561
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,320
life.
I think it used to be a job for

562
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,000
life.
Well, just think back to when

563
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,160
you were at school.
Yeah, like how many?

564
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,400
I felt like there were loads of
staff with like a very even

565
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,320
distribution of age of anything
weighted towards elder Star.

566
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,760
Yeah definitely who were coming
towards the end of their career

567
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,920
getting ready to retire.
Not off to their like lovely

568
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,800
little semi detached 5 bedroom
house that they could afford on

569
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,920
their one salary.
Calm down anyway, but it's.

570
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,240
True, though, yeah.
I mean, if you think about your

571
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,600
own teachers, my, I think I had
a fairly even split between

572
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,400
like, fairly young teachers and
also teachers, like really near

573
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,040
retirement.
Yeah.

574
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,880
Who had been doing it for their
whole life.

575
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,520
Yeah, they weren't.
They weren't late to the game.

576
00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,760
They've just been a teacher
forever.

577
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,800
I remember some of my teachers
retiring, genuinely.

578
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,400
It was like, oh, you've made it
to retirement.

579
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,400
Yeah.
Well done.

580
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,400
Yeah.
Well, this was kind of this

581
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,920
episode, this whole episode
actually was sparked from last

582
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,760
week.
Let's be honest.

583
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Yeah.
Because last week we talked

584
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,160
about middle leadership and the
fact that, you know, get into

585
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,280
that awkward stage in your
career when middle leadership

586
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,760
that is not just, it's just not
worth it.

587
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,640
It's not worth the time and the
effort for the money you'll get

588
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,160
out of it.
And the stress and link to that

589
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,200
is the fact that people look at
that and go, OK, well, there's

590
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,240
nothing I can do now.
I need to leave this profession

591
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,240
because it's so stressful.
Yeah.

592
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,200
And this is like an exacerbated
version of that, which is just

593
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,080
now.
Is it at all even viable to stay

594
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,000
even just teaching for your
whole career?

595
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,320
And there was a reel that we
released from that last episode.

596
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,600
Yeah.
And Oh my goodness me, I can't

597
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,200
believe how much it resonated
with people.

598
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,320
Welcome, by the way, if that's
what you what you've listened to

599
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,160
this episode from.
Yeah.

600
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,400
Because again, we see the
numbers and insane in the last

601
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,520
week or so.
But if you know, if you watch

602
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,640
that reel, the the gist of it
was that I am scared that I'm

603
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,800
going to leave teaching.
Yeah.

604
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,840
And I'm, and I explained why I
was scared and it was because I

605
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,160
love teaching.
We're going to talk about all

606
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,520
the pros in a minute.
Like, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm

607
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,440
not afraid to say I'm good at
teaching.

608
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,800
It's what I've got good at.
It's something I've done for 10

609
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,840
years.
It's my profession.

610
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,320
Obviously I've become good at
it.

611
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,760
I'm at the point now where I
think I should just leave.

612
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,240
And this is it was reassuring
but sad the amount of comments

613
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,600
on that reel.
Go and look at it on our

614
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,120
Instagram at TCP podcast.
It is insane the amount of

615
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,720
people saying Oh my God, I'm in
the exact same boat.

616
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:27,720
I've been teaching for 10 years,
15 years, for 14 years, 20

617
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,640
years, and I just can't see
myself.

618
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,160
Continuing anymore and.
I don't want to quit, but I'm

619
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:32,880
going to.
Have to.

620
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,520
And also some people are trapped
and some people are saying I

621
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,920
want to quit.
I just can't.

622
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,320
It's sort of like a mixture of
negative.

623
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,120
And I think the biggest thing
you can talk about this, Hayden,

624
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,320
because you were, I remember you
saying how you were genuinely

625
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,160
shocked at the poll.
I couldn't make so obviously

626
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,720
Dylan runs that me runs the
Instagram account and I will

627
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,760
often vote on the things that
you put because I want to see

628
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,200
the results and you can't see it
till you click it.

629
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,200
So I clicked on the poll and I
So what was the poll?

630
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,280
So the poll was I can't know
exactly what it said it was.

631
00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,720
Do you what was it?
Do you think you'll?

632
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,080
It was between two options and
the first one was I've

633
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,240
considered.
Oh yeah, yeah, I've considered.

634
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,840
And the second one was, I'm
quite content, yeah.

635
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,560
That's it.
I'm quite content in my role, so

636
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,920
I clicked on.
I've considered quitting

637
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,880
teaching, thinking I'm going to
see what this is probably going

638
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,960
to be like a 7030 split.
Realistically, I know it's going

639
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,680
to high and when I clicked on
it, which is different to now,

640
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,200
when I clicked on it, it was 98%
to 2% and there were hundreds of

641
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560
votes at that point and I think
it's now in the thousands of

642
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,560
votes and it's what 909090?
3% are saying they've they've

643
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,480
considered quitting. 7% and
that's like 1000 people.

644
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,440
That's like, it's not like
that's a small sample size.

645
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,560
No, that's crazy.
Yeah, 93% of teachers have

646
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,800
considered quitting.
Yeah.

647
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,480
And and that's not even thinking
about the amount of teachers who

648
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,320
have crossed that line and quit.
Yeah, that's already the one

649
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,880
they're left.
This is the ones who are in

650
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,600
teaching who are saying I'm
considering quitting.

651
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,560
And it highlights that problem
we have.

652
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,400
And one of the biggest issues we
want to just lay out now before

653
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,600
we go into is a job for life.
And the pros and cons fund the

654
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,160
current situation we're in where
it's clearly not a job for life

655
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480
because the retention numbers
prove it.

656
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,760
We're in a crisis of retention
at the yeah, yeah, yeah.

657
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,520
And, and the percentages are
crazy to me.

658
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,720
So there are two that jumped
out.

659
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:11,680
So we've got firstly, after one
year of teaching, bear in mind

660
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,160
it takes at least a year to
train to teach, often 3.

661
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,200
After one year only of being a
teacher, 12% of teachers.

662
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,080
That's mad, isn't it?
When I first saw that Amber, I

663
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,760
was like, that's not too bad
because I've been gaslight into

664
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,440
thinking that it's like, yeah,
but actually, yeah.

665
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,160
When you put it into context of
it's not like going to get a job

666
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040
at home base where you don't
need to do three years training

667
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,640
before it is a job where you're
committing financially because

668
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,880
you've you know, unless you've
been lucky enough to get like

669
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,440
your degree paid for most people
probably paying some money

670
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,160
towards their.
Degree.

671
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Well, at least be paying
repayments.

672
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,320
Yeah, at least right.
One year or three years doing

673
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,840
that.
And then after just one year in

674
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,240
the job, you're like, I this is
this.

675
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,480
I, I can't justify doing it
despite, you know, spending

676
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,640
three years or one year training
before.

677
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,280
That's mad to me.
Why not a 10?

678
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,080
Insane.
That's just wrong.

679
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,880
It just and that's when you're
you're most passionate.

680
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,360
Yeah, I was gonna say, like,
you're new at that point and

681
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,840
you're already thinking this is
so horrendous that I'm not gonna

682
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,440
do it.
That should be a huge red flag

683
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,640
to me.
And and the other statistic that

684
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000
jumped out of me was after 10
years, because that's

685
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,600
essentially where we are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

686
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,640
And after 10 years, it's it's
mad. 43% have left.

687
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Yeah.
So nearly half.

688
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Yeah, getting on to half.
Nearly half of the profession

689
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,520
after 10 years are not in it
anymore.

690
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,640
So when we're asking this
question now, is it a career for

691
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,400
life?
Yeah.

692
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,640
And we're talking about a 35
year.

693
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,800
Career and we yeah we know not
every not every career in the

694
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960
world has to be one for life we
know that yeah but teaching used

695
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,680
to be and like a staple of the
community and you were good at

696
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,040
what you.
Did It is extremely important

697
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,440
for the country.
It's extremely important.

698
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,640
It doesn't make sense for that
job to be a desirable job for

699
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:41,640
life.
Yeah, because it's kind of

700
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,320
something we need.
Yeah.

701
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,120
And if you've been doing it for
10 years, you are bloody

702
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,320
probably, you're probably bloody
good at it, let's be honest.

703
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Because you've been doing it at
least one of us, yeah, at least

704
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,760
one of us is quite good at it.
But then, but this that says at

705
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,160
least one of us is going to
leave at the end of this.

706
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720
Year.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

707
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,920
Yeah.
Like what?

708
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,280
Like what is the thing?
I mean it kind of answered the

709
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,200
question for the pod, doesn't
it?

710
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,680
You go done.
Is it for life?

711
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,320
Not really because after 10
years half of them are gone

712
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,760
already so you know, what is it
after 20 years?

713
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,040
I mean, what is it after 30
years?

714
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,200
I'd love to know those stats
because you know what I was just

715
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,080
thinking when it's just a bit of
reflection I guess on us.

716
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,160
And I don't know if you can
think of anyone different, but

717
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,920
in my 10 year career, I don't
think I've seen a teacher just

718
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,920
retire.
I don't think I've seen that.

719
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,000
I've seen a couple of teachers
kind of be forced into

720
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,280
retirement.
We talked about that workplace

721
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,240
bullying and they probably
wouldn't, they probably would

722
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,680
have done another couple of
years.

723
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,920
But I don't think I've ever seen
a teacher just be like in my

724
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,120
career, I've done this my whole
life.

725
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,040
I'm going to retire happily next
year.

726
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,760
It's my last year.
I've reached, you know, the

727
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,720
retirement age or whatever
retirement age they wanted.

728
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,240
Maybe they're going a couple of
years early or something.

729
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,800
I've never seen that.
But in their in their control.

730
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Yeah, I so in 10 whole years, I
don't know if that's normal or

731
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840
not.
I've not witnessed a teacher

732
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,520
retire out of this job.
Do you know what I have

733
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,480
witnessed people leave because
they want to do anymore?

734
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,480
Yeah, loads.
I've I've witnessed people leave

735
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
because they felt stressed.
Yeah, I've seen people take

736
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,680
early retirement because they
thought it's not worth at my

737
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,960
age.
Now doing this for three more.

738
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,280
Years I'm going to go get a job
at Ms. For a few years and I'll

739
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,560
just take my retirement when I
can.

740
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,240
Yeah, it's just, it's just mad,
isn't it?

741
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960
Is that abnormal?
It's been 10 years.

742
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,360
Should I have seen a couple of
teachers at least, like actually

743
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:11,480
just genuinely retire at this
point?

744
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,280
Probably, yeah.
I don't know.

745
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,920
Yeah, that's nuts.
That's crazy.

746
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,760
It's.
Not a good sign is.

747
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,760
It no and I just think if we're
thinking about being a career

748
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
for life, let's go into now
maybe the pros and cons as to,

749
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,320
you know, why it might be a good
career to do and why actually,

750
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,880
you know, it's turned into
something that isn't a big story

751
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,520
I saw recently, huge story, the
BBC, it was about mums.

752
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Because if you think about
teaching right now, we're

753
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040
talking to a huge audience of
teachers.

754
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280
Most of them are women, most of
our audience women.

755
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760
And the reason for that is
because most of the people in

756
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,800
teaching and education about
women, it's a women dominated

757
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,520
profession.
And you would think maybe

758
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,680
alongside that fact might be
that some really good working

759
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,680
conditions for them.
You'd think that maybe you'd

760
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,120
have some benefits in place,
something that really entice.

761
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,480
No, no, it's the opposite.
It's the opposite because

762
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,880
there's no, you know, our women
are going to this job anyway.

763
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,240
So when you think about
maternity, pay is horrendous.

764
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,440
Compared to the other public
services, which is the easiest

765
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
comparison to do?
Because there's fewer women in

766
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,960
those.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure out of

767
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,240
those, and I'd do all stand
correct if I'm wrong, but I'm

768
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,160
pretty sure, but the maternity
package for teachers is the

769
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,520
worst of the public.
Awful.

770
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,360
Yeah.
Even even if you go to civil,

771
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,800
being a civil servant, the
maternity package is much

772
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,880
better.
Yeah, it's like you.

773
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,320
We need to look after these
people.

774
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,040
And one of the biggest, like,
reasons why there's such a drive

775
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,880
in the retention problem is new
mums.

776
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,120
It's mums in their 30s and now
it's this article in the BBC

777
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,080
recently.
Women in their 30s are the

778
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,880
biggest single group leaving the
profession. 9000 women in their

779
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,080
30s.
Nine thousand out of 40,000 were

780
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,000
women in their 30s left in 2223.
That's bad.

781
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,240
Now that screams problem.
OK, now obviously there's a lot

782
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,000
of parents, there's a lot of
mums who leave anyway because

783
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,760
they're having family around
that time.

784
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,440
But we need to work to.
Keep them in the job.

785
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Yeah, sure.
And that's not happening,

786
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,120
surely.
What were you going to say?

787
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,040
I was just going to say what is
the problem, but you've kind of

788
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240
summarised it there to be really
clear what the problem is here

789
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,760
is that is that particularly
mum, let's just say parents.

790
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Parents are getting to parents
are people are getting to the

791
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,880
point where their parents and
their teachers and they are and

792
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,440
they are coming to a realisation
that it's not compatible.

793
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Yeah.
Now most people, most jobs in

794
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200
the world obviously are
compatible with being a parent

795
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800
because we do need kids, yes,
and we do need people doing

796
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,360
jobs.
So it makes sense that those

797
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,200
things are compatible.
But teachers are getting to the

798
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880
point in their early 30s
whenever from children and

799
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,160
going, oh, I actually can't do
this job even to like a suitable

800
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
standard anymore because I've
got a kid now that I also care

801
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,840
about by the way, and I can't
dedicate my entire life to this

802
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,440
job.
So I can't do it anymore.

803
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,880
See ya.
And quitting and not necessarily

804
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,400
because they want to.
It's because they have to.

805
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Like they can't do it.
That's the problem.

806
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,440
And I think that's horrendous.
Yeah.

807
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,840
And what that really highlights
there is the amount of time and

808
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,040
effort you have to put in to do
this job to a standard that

809
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,320
seems.
Yeah, but you get all of those

810
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,640
often.
You teach, you stop moaning.

811
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,480
That's the comment.
If you put that as a reel,

812
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,640
that's the comment that you get
teachers moaning about their

813
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,360
holidays again.
Come walk in the new world.

814
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,560
Yeah, OK.
We are coming to work in the

815
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,120
real world, you moron.
And when we do that, who's going

816
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,000
to look after your kids when you
go to work, you idiot?

817
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,400
People don't think about it for
more than two seconds, do they?

818
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,960
No, they really don't.
It's like when they say things

819
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,840
like, why don't you just quit?
That's what I'm talking about.

820
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,240
They are.
Yeah.

821
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,600
This is what this conversation
do.

822
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,120
You listen to what people are
saying.

823
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,960
It's a problem.
That's what we're we're saying

824
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,960
10,000 women in their 30s,
leftist professional, no job.

825
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,120
They leave, then they are.
We need to make them not leave.

826
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,960
But they're not leaving to spite
you.

827
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Stupid man on the Internet.
I has no idea what he's talking

828
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,960
about.
They're leaving because it's not

829
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160
compatible with their families.
He's got a tough job, too.

830
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Oh, you're a tough job, too.
Oh.

831
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,920
I don't get any holidays with
you.

832
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,120
My job's just a tough.
Yeah.

833
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,160
Do you know what?
It's not.

834
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,200
I'm not going to say that right
now.

835
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,400
It's not everyone.
It's not.

836
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
I don't care.
Because every single metric on

837
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,560
what's the most stressful job,
if you're a policeman, fair play

838
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,640
to you.
That's more stressful.

839
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,920
That is more stressful.
Right.

840
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,320
And all the metrics and the, and
the top ten lists, we got sent

841
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,200
the top ten lists.
They were there.

842
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Teaching made-up 4-5 and six on

843
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,200
the list.
It was primary school teaching,

844
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,960
secondary school teaching,
higher education teaching.

845
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Wow.
So it was three of the top six

846
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,000
were to do teaching.
Yeah.

847
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,320
Teaching's incredibly stressful.
And do you know what?

848
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,480
The fact we get those holidays
proves how stressful and insane

849
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:21,680
this job is.
People are still quitting

850
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,840
because people are still
quitting.

851
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,320
But oh, you get 13 weeks off a
year.

852
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,040
What you're moaning about, come
and do it.

853
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Please, please come and do it.
Because do you know what?

854
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,720
If it was such a jolly for 13
weeks a year, we wouldn't be

855
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,320
having this conversation.
There wouldn't be hundreds of

856
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,240
people listening to that real
and saying, I feel the same way.

857
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,960
You're an idiot.
You think it's almost like the

858
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,280
feelings are irrelevant at this
point.

859
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520
Just look at the facts.
Yeah, the facts are exactly what

860
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,480
you just said.
Yes, the the job looks really

861
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,120
desirable on paper, but
everyone's quitting.

862
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Come on, put the two and two
together in your little brain.

863
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,560
It's not that hard to realise
then that there's a problem, is

864
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,720
there?
Really desirable on paper

865
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,480
people, but everyone's leaving
it and it's really stressful.

866
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,920
No one wants to do it.
Oh, maybe it's not that

867
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,920
dishonourable then, is it?
It's not that hard to realise

868
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,280
that.
Yeah, it's true.

869
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,160
And this, this article basically
summarised the three main

870
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,360
problems.
Sure, OK.

871
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,920
And I think this is a wider
issue, but it's exacerbated for

872
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,800
new parents.
And we're in the same boat, by

873
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,760
the way.
We, we, we both of us and our

874
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,960
partners are teachers.
Yeah, we had a child.

875
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,760
There's no way on earth we could
have both been full time

876
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,680
teachers raising this child.
No, no way on.

877
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,240
Earth, No.
And then like you and the mum,

878
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You and Mum and me and Mum.

879
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,320
We couldn't be.
Yeah, yeah.

880
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,120
We couldn't both be.
Yeah.

881
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Because full transparency at the
minute, both parents in both

882
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,520
situations here might me and my
partner, you and your partner

883
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,280
are part time three days a week
or two days a week.

884
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,280
Yeah, OK, There is no way this
job could work doing both.

885
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,080
It couldn't work.
But people might say that, hear

886
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,680
that and go, well, that's true
for most jobs, blah, blah, blah.

887
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160
I was like, yeah, but I promise
you, even at this point, we're

888
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,240
just like, Oh my God.
I say what they might also say

889
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480
that is why we could get caught.
Short is some people do it,

890
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,920
though.
Yeah, some people do do it,

891
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Yeah.
So there are some people that

892
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,080
are managing.
It.

893
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840
Yeah, Yeah, there are.
And I'd love to talk to them

894
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,360
because every single person I
know who is doing it and who's

895
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,800
managing it hates it.
Yeah.

896
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Yeah.
And they're saying I'm not

897
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000
getting home to my kids.
I get home to my kids in the

898
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840
evening.
I get half an hour with them and

899
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,120
it's just getting ready for bed.
They go to bed.

900
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Yeah.
And or the OR the flip side,

901
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,160
which is I'm sacrificing the job
instead.

902
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,720
So it's basically something to
give.

903
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,800
And and your child is not going
to give.

904
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,440
Yeah, is it for, for anyone who,
and especially in teaching who

905
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,600
understands the importance we're
in teaching to help children,

906
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,400
right.
Oh, by the way, I've got my own

907
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,040
now.
But I'm going to ignore.

908
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,720
That and I know how important
the early years are in

909
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,640
development.
I know how how vital it is to

910
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120
spend lots of time and talk to
them and read to them because

911
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,520
that's going to help the most
when they're older.

912
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,040
But actually, you know what, I'd
rather plan on it.

913
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,280
I'd rather plan an intervention
for a child who can't add when

914
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,040
they're 8 when they can't add
anyway, so that intervention of

915
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,680
me spending an hour planning
it's going to really help them

916
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,360
to add.
Oh, now my child can't.

917
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,360
Do it, my.
Oh, they'll have it all right,

918
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,920
because they'll have a teacher
in the future who's and.

919
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,840
We're being very cynical right
now, but but there is, there is

920
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,680
truth to it, isn't there?
And so basically, you know, I

921
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,040
again, I don't know, I don't
know any teacher mums who are

922
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,360
like, yeah, I've got the perfect
balance.

923
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Yeah, yeah.
And.

924
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,120
There'll be people listening who
are in that situation, probably

925
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,000
listening to us being quite
flippant and they're just quite

926
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520
sad about it.
And that's, that's true it, you

927
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,760
know, it is sad, it is sad, it's
a problem.

928
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,199
It's sad because teachers don't
want to be in this situation.

929
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,840
So basically this article was
talking about you need to strike

930
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,560
a balance between teaching and
family, which we've just

931
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,400
discussed.
You need to strike much better

932
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,719
maternity pay that needs to be
addressed.

933
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Absolutely.
And just the job in general, the

934
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,199
workload in general of the job
needs to be addressed, whether

935
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:33,760
you're a parent or not, because
this is directly contributing to

936
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,800
the fact that teaching is no
longer a job for life.

937
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,880
And if we want teaching to have
incredibly high standards and be

938
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880
really good, we need these
teachers who've been doing it

939
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:42,880
for 10 years.
Yeah.

940
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,840
Especially when the bulk of them
are women.

941
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Yeah, but we probably should
focus on the thing that like

942
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,760
makes it easier for women.
Like completely because I in the

943
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,360
words, like 80% of teachers are
women.

944
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,280
Whatever it was that.
But don't worry, don't worry

945
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,920
about those.
What the problem is then and

946
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,320
what you've not realised is
despite all this, Labour are

947
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,520
just going to recruit 6500 more
teachers.

948
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,000
Our treasured Labour who we who
we urge you to vote for, that's

949
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,520
what they're going to do didn't.
So don't worry about it.

950
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,640
They're going to just recruit
more.

951
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,760
There are no more from the ether
of nothing.

952
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,720
Yeah, yeah.
Do you know what?

953
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,720
I, I, I think they mean it,
right?

954
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960
I think they mean it.
I think they're incredibly

955
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480
underinformed and don't have an
idea what they're talking.

956
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,520
About, yeah, we'll just recruit
more, yeah.

957
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Yeah, yeah.
If, if, let's be honest right

958
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,560
now, if this was the
Conservatives who'd won the

959
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,720
election, we'd be saying this
one now.

960
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,760
We.
Wouldn't we were in?

961
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,360
Shred so I've got no problem now
talking about this because you

962
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,080
know is is teaching a career for
life well the government don't

963
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,840
care because we're just going to
recruit new ones so this balance

964
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,280
of recruitment and retention
there is a constant battle they.

965
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Forgot about the retention.
You've got to do the retention

966
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,080
bit.
OK, so 6500 people join cool.

967
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,840
By the way, you know 650 them,
they're going to quit after year

968
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,720
one because I just told you the
stats is 12%.

969
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,880
So you're recruiting 6500.
Well in three years that's

970
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,240
actually going to be 4000
because we they're quitting.

971
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,840
What are you going to do to keep
them?

972
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,640
How are we going to do this?
How are we going to be, really?

973
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,240
Serious.
And I have done some things, you

974
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,440
know, we talked about the
workload reduction task force

975
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,960
and how that has made an impact
to the app.

976
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,640
That wasn't policy.
No, I know, but at least that's

977
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,960
something's happening.
I mean, there's something that's

978
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,840
happening, but even it's just
not enough, do you know?

979
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,360
What I mean, and it's not
cutting through.

980
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,160
I don't know about you.
If I speak to my colleagues

981
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,280
about this, you know, workload
reduction task force, the list

982
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,160
and stuff, half of them don't
know what I'm talking about.

983
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Honestly, I've been really real
about conversations right now.

984
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,640
Most of them, most of the people
I spoke to just go, well,

985
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,480
someone's got to do it.
And genuinely, that's the, that

986
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,560
is that.
And I'm just sort of like I, I

987
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,280
feel lost sometimes in that in
that moment of like, don't ask

988
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,280
for help them.
Yeah, like your beat has been

989
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,280
handed.
You want to play and all you

990
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,920
have to do is take it and
implement it.

991
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,040
And you're like, oh, someone's
got to do it.

992
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,080
So no, that's not what.
Come on.

993
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,120
I think let's.
Try and make it work.

994
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,720
Let's be real for two minutes
then, because there is a little

995
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,240
bit of martyrdom, isn't there?
Yeah.

996
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,640
Of course there isn't teachers
like, well, it's me I had to

997
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,040
mark all weekend.
Aren't I such a good teacher?

998
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,960
That is such a thing.
Yeah.

999
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,640
I'm sorry guys if we're just
rinsing you, but it is.

1000
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,600
Yeah, no, but, but we need to
talk about it.

1001
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,880
Yeah.
Because like you're, you're

1002
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,520
exactly right.
It's stuff is being handed to

1003
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,400
people at this point and we've
talked talking about it, we've

1004
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,480
spoken about it before where,
you know, people have got to be

1005
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,000
a bit more proactive because you
can't wait for SLT to put a

1006
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,760
letter down saying you don't
have to display it.

1007
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,560
Anymore, Yeah, we've looked at
the SPSTPCD and we've really

1008
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,840
reviewed this and we.
Don't expect both.

1009
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,160
You need to know your rights as
well.

1010
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,840
This is why we did this podcast,
by the way, if you're listening,

1011
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,480
This is why we do it.
Just just trying to share that.

1012
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,880
But you know, I think that
really summarised it for me,

1013
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,240
that BBC article about new mums,
because I was like, cool, That's

1014
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,040
the ultimate version of we
should be doing everything we

1015
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,760
can to retain these.
I know new mums who are thinking

1016
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,960
they're not going to do it
anymore.

1017
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,360
And I'm think, I just think to
myself that is such a loss.

1018
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,880
That isn't, I completely agree
with why you're doing it.

1019
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,480
I would back you to do it and
quit because it's for all the

1020
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,000
reasons you're saying about your
child and everything.

1021
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,880
But my goodness me, it's so sad
for this profession that those

1022
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,080
people are being forced out.
And yeah, and you know what

1023
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,200
they're like, the catch 22 is
the people that feel the most

1024
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,440
like that are the ones that were
dedicating the most time to this

1025
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,560
job.
And they probably, they probably

1026
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,360
were the really good teachers.
They're probably the ones that

1027
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,080
were so good and so passionate
about that.

1028
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,800
That's why it's such a dilemma
for them now because they were

1029
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,720
like, oh, I'm used to spending
so much extra time being amazing

1030
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,440
at this job.
And now and now I can't do it

1031
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,320
anymore.
So I feel like I can't be

1032
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,160
amazing at the job anymore.
So there's no point doing it.

1033
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,120
I don't want to do an average
job.

1034
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,920
I don't even want, I don't want
to do a below average job.

1035
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,080
So I won't do it at all.
And it's like, that's sad, isn't

1036
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,040
it?
We're losing good teachers

1037
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,080
anyway to go back to it used to
be a job for life, right?

1038
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Let's what's changed then?
Because we, you know, we're

1039
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,160
saying when we were young, we
had teachers that were reaching

1040
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,320
retirement.
It's like they've been doing it

1041
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,320
for 35 years and it's like,
cool, we'll see you later.

1042
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,760
We'll get a new teacher next
year because Mr whatever is

1043
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,200
retired, like what, what, what
has actually changed then?

1044
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,840
Like, why is it not?
It clearly was desirable enough

1045
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,000
then.
I haven't spoken to experienced

1046
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,880
staff who are at the tail end of
their career.

1047
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Most of them at this point in
their career were saying I would

1048
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,320
love to not do this anymore, but
I'm so close to retirement, I

1049
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,720
literally can't do anything
else.

1050
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,360
I'm just going to try and get up
to that point and having spoken

1051
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,640
to them and what's different?
The the biggest thing that they

1052
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,000
always say is the expectation
has sky rocketed at the same

1053
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,240
time as the budget has been
completely squeezed.

1054
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Yeah.
And it really does come down to

1055
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,280
that because do you know what?
I will never, ever sit here and

1056
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,840
say soaring expectations is a
bad thing because you're talking

1057
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,000
about our children.
The future.

1058
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,280
Like that is fine.
Yeah, education improves.

1059
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,960
But it's so easy to say that and
at the same time not put your

1060
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,680
money where your mouth is and
just expect the burden to fall

1061
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,680
on class teachers.
I think for me, the biggest

1062
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,240
issue with the job currently is
the the absolute mental load of

1063
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:33,040
being a class teacher is insane.
It is no longer what it used to

1064
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,120
be, which was I'm a class
teacher.

1065
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,520
We're going to do some rounding
this morning.

1066
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,280
We're going to look at Beowulf.
That's a, that's a lovely text.

1067
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,280
And the kids are going to try
and write their own epic.

1068
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,440
And in the afternoon we're doing
Romans.

1069
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,960
I've got some books and some
sheets from that I've used for

1070
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,560
the last 10 years.
I'm going to get them out again

1071
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,760
and we're going to talk.
About Romans.

1072
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,040
And you don't have to make 3
PowerPoints for that.

1073
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,600
That will take you 4 hours
exactly.

1074
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,480
You just have your bit of paper.
Yep.

1075
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,800
But yeah, but I'm talking as
well alongside that, the mental

1076
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,760
load currently, because if there
was someone in your class who

1077
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600
needed some social care work,
the social worker would come in

1078
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,640
and talk to them.
If there's someone in your class

1079
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,160
who had speech and language
problems, they'd have a one to

1080
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
one person working with them
because they can't do speech and

1081
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,880
language specialist.
There would be people and

1082
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,880
specialist in place that take
that burden away from you

1083
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480
because currently what happens
is all of that.

1084
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Is exacerbated by what, like you
said, with the planning.

1085
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,160
You need to do slides, you need
to get, blah blah blah.

1086
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,320
You need to do all this planning
for no reason even though you

1087
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,640
know what you're doing.
And you also need to be the

1088
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000
social worker in the classroom.
You need to be the Sen

1089
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,360
coordinator.
I'm the language expert.

1090
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,600
You need to be the language
expert.

1091
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,920
Oh, guess what, Dylan, this has
happened.

1092
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,880
I know this has happened
multiple times in your career.

1093
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,480
And as it has to me, by the way,
then you've got someone starting

1094
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,120
next week.
They only speak German.

1095
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly, they haven't.

1096
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,040
They speak a word of English in
Year 5.

1097
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,240
Off you go.
And let's separate this for a

1098
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,880
second.
There's no teacher in the land,

1099
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,760
I don't think.
Mostly.

1100
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,880
Yeah.
Who?

1101
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,600
Who remotely cares about that?
No one's going.

1102
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Oh, that shouldn't happen.
It's like, cool, I'm a teacher.

1103
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,640
I teach kids.
I don't care.

1104
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,880
Yeah.
Come into my classroom.

1105
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,440
You are welcome and safe.
What's the?

1106
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120
Problem then with my analogy.
I can't speak German.

1107
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,200
Yeah.
I'd what?

1108
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,640
So what do you want me to do?
Yeah, I'm a teacher, not a

1109
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,920
language linguist.
Language Linguist.

1110
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,560
A language.
You're not a language language

1111
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,240
linguist of any language, by the
sounds of it.

1112
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,360
But it's true.
I guess you know, the point

1113
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
you're making there is it's not.
We don't have a problem with

1114
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,960
children during our class.
We love teaching kids.

1115
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,960
I have a problem when the
support's not there that I need

1116
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,680
precisely.
I need AI need someone to help

1117
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,400
me like translate or something
but you don't get it.

1118
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,720
Yeah, and there's no TA, by the
way.

1119
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,680
And in the afternoon you do have
32 children.

1120
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Let's talk about that for a
second.

1121
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Yeah, that's completely normal
where we where we work.

1122
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,680
I was a flabbergasted when I
found out the average primary

1123
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,560
school size is 26, wasn't it?
Right.

1124
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,320
So that's the average people
listening might think what

1125
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,600
they're talking about.
I've never had less than 30 two

1126
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,960
children.
I've never heard of anyone

1127
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,720
having less I.
Thought that was what classes

1128
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:46,760
had.
Yeah, me too.

1129
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,360
And with no support in the
afternoon.

1130
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,200
Who are we kidding?
Of course it's horrendous.

1131
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,000
I was in a class of 32 growing
up, I'm sure.

1132
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,320
Yeah, maybe it's like a Kent
thing.

1133
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,000
Where in Kent, Britain doesn't
know?

1134
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,320
I don't know.
But yeah, I just think it's

1135
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,560
absolutely crazy.
And I think that's the biggest

1136
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,040
driver.
The the mental load is insane.

1137
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,800
The act of teaching hasn't
changed.

1138
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640
You're up and about, you're
well, It's just.

1139
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,160
A good bit.
We still enjoy that.

1140
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Exactly, but the mental load is
what's absolutely crippling this

1141
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,480
profession.
Yeah.

1142
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,960
And like you said, and on top of
that, the pay, I was speaking to

1143
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,760
a teacher fairly recently, a
couple of months ago actually,

1144
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,480
who I know really well and has
been in the game for like 20,

1145
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,360
yeah, about 20 years.
A dying breed.

1146
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,360
A dying breed.
Yeah.

1147
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,520
Yeah.
That's only, that's like, if you

1148
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,280
think about it, that's like,
hold on, you're just over

1149
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,360
halfway.
But they were saying, and I was

1150
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,280
just saying to them, what is it
like, you know, you talked 20

1151
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,520
years ago and it was different
then.

1152
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,000
And they were talking about pay
and they said that the

1153
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
difference is right.
And their lifestyle, lifestyle

1154
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,360
has not changed.
They're one of those people that

1155
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,520
have got, they're just, they're
really happy with where they are

1156
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,160
and they're genuine.
They've got the same lifestyle

1157
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,520
they did 20 years ago.
Yeah, they're just, they're

1158
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,200
just, they're one of those.
It's a good, really good, it's

1159
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,080
good indicator.
Isn't it?

1160
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,520
Really, really, really good
person to do.

1161
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,520
It's like cool, you've like had
minimum change in your life.

1162
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,760
And they said that they really
easily summarise it.

1163
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,720
So the difference is 20 years
ago when I lived this lifestyle,

1164
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,320
I had money leftover at the end
of each month and I could do

1165
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
nice things and enjoy my time.
And right now I'm penny

1166
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,840
pinching.
Every single pound I earn goes

1167
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,000
towards the things I need.
Basically rent and looking after

1168
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,240
like they have animals and
things like this.

1169
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,920
And I was like, OK, that's
that's it, isn't it?

1170
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,360
And they were like, yeah, it's
been eroded.

1171
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,920
It's like my lifestyle, I can't
have the lifestyle anymore.

1172
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,320
Doesn't matter if pay goes up
5.5% because in in the grand

1173
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,560
scheme costs.
Have gone up that much as well.

1174
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,280
Costs have gone up more over the
20 years and they were like,

1175
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
yeah.
And it's just, it feels rubbish.

1176
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,760
It feels like you have a pay
cut.

1177
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,200
I used to get paid more for what
I do.

1178
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Now I get paid less.
Even though on paper or in real

1179
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200
and the money has gone up in
money, the money starting

1180
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,760
salary, this is the perfect
indication.

1181
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,240
Isn't it?
Yeah.

1182
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:42,760
It used to be 40 grand
relatively, Yeah.

1183
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,720
Do you know what I mean?
So I thought, yeah, that's a

1184
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,120
good one.
And I could just see they were

1185
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,680
annoyed about that.
But again, they're in it 20

1186
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,560
years.
They were like, I've done 20

1187
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,520
years now.
I've got to see it out.

1188
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,600
I've got to get to the end.
I'll retire as early as I

1189
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,840
possibly can.
Yeah.

1190
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Because I don't enjoy this
anymore.

1191
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,840
And I hate being taken for
Amalgam, getting paid the

1192
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,720
absolute bare minimum for what I
do.

1193
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,800
Yeah, and not being treated with
respect.

1194
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,920
Yeah.
So that's the next thing, isn't

1195
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,320
it?
Pay pay when we're talking about

1196
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,000
what's changed, it's the pay
scale.

1197
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,120
The pay scale is 2 things to it.
Firstly, the pay scale is lower

1198
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,080
than it used to be.
It's still decent job like don't

1199
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,560
get me wrong when.
You say lower though.

1200
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,920
What do you mean?
Because respectively so like in

1201
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,560
that analogy, you know, it used
to be higher reward, it used to

1202
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,680
have a lot more surplus money.
Yeah, you think, think about

1203
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,480
what house used to cost 25.
Exactly.

1204
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Compared to compared to now,
right.

1205
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,360
It's different now, You know,
you don't have as much money

1206
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,640
leftover at the end of the month
with an average lifestyle.

1207
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:25,960
Yeah, and that's a thing.
And you know what?

1208
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,360
I'm not gonna sit here and say
it's the worst.

1209
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,800
There are plenty of people
earning less money.

1210
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,520
It's not a race to the bottom.
We've said this before.

1211
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,400
It's not a race to the bottom.
So please, if you're listening

1212
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,280
to this thinking, well, I know
someone earns less than you and

1213
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,320
now are right.
OK, I'm sorry that that sounds

1214
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,040
like they've got a bad situation
too.

1215
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,400
Perhaps, but it comparatively
it's not as good.

1216
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,720
But on top of that, another
factor for why people don't want

1217
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,960
to make it to only five years is
because after like six years of

1218
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,160
your 35 year career, you've
reached the cap.

1219
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,840
There's no there's no
progression for you anymore.

1220
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,000
There's no bonuses.
There's no extra pay scales.

1221
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,400
You know, there's three more,
let's call it nine years.

1222
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Then you get to the top of the
upper pay scale.

1223
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,880
Which, by the way, is usually
entwined in some extra

1224
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,360
responsibility.
Incorrectly, you know.

1225
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,240
Schools will say your UPS means
you've got to lead all of this

1226
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:07,680
stuff as well.
No, it doesn't.

1227
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,600
By the way, TLR means you do
extra stuff.

1228
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Yeah.
UPS means you're an experienced

1229
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,880
teacher who's doing well in the
school.

1230
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,840
OK, you're in your 10th year now
and you've got a TLR as well

1231
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,920
because you've taken on another
thing.

1232
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,120
Yeah, but that doesn't increase.
There's no pay scale and you've.

1233
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,240
Got more work?
Yeah, it's not.

1234
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:21,840
It's not just more money because
you're better so.

1235
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,240
Really, you think about teachers
that are 10 years in, I imagine

1236
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,560
that most of them have probably
reached the cap of what their

1237
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,400
pay is going to be for the rest
of their career.

1238
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,520
And, and most people, I think do
like at least the the concept of

1239
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,600
having a bit of a pay rise each
year of like, oh, OK, and

1240
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,320
there's, there's some reward.
Well, there will be some.

1241
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,800
Progression.
There will be pay rises still in

1242
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,400
the statutory pay.
You won't go up the pay scale.

1243
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,040
You know, that's something
people get confused about as

1244
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,600
well as the pay scale is you
getting more experience than

1245
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,440
going on.
But at the same time, the

1246
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,240
percentage pay should go up
every year with.

1247
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,560
Inflation.
But I just sort of think

1248
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,480
everyone, yeah, everything's got
inflation, whatever.

1249
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,800
Yeah.
And whatever that, whatever that

1250
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,280
number is, is never more than
inflation.

1251
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,480
No, never.
So.

1252
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,080
So you're only getting cuts from
now on?

1253
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,720
Yeah.
And I just think that's another

1254
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,040
factor like it certainly is for
us.

1255
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,600
I know we've talked about in the
last episode go and.

1256
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,800
Check it out.
It was a factor in year 2 of

1257
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,440
teaching.
Yeah, I remember to chat with

1258
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,760
you on M2, which is main pay
scale 2 two years in.

1259
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,880
Yeah, and I said to you, I hate.
1.5.

1260
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Yeah, let's not talk about that.
The future episode about how the

1261
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600
pay scale is completely rigged
by a trust.

1262
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,200
I don't know.
Anyway, I, I, I, I think I

1263
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,440
remember being two years in and
saying to you, Hayden, I hate

1264
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,600
the fact that I know what money
I will be on when I'm 30.

1265
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Yeah, and it's not like blowing
me.

1266
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,360
Away.
No.

1267
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,760
And it's like, cool, I could go
into a different profession and

1268
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,080
if I put the time and effort I
put into this profession into a

1269
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,320
different one, I'd be on double
the amount.

1270
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,840
I'd say something funny, right?
Just about pay, right.

1271
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,280
Just as a good example, and I
know this is just one example of

1272
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,920
millions of things that could go
the other way.

1273
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,640
My sister doesn't have a like
degree qualification for that.

1274
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,080
She's like, she just wanted to.
She wasn't very academic growing

1275
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:53,960
up.
That was she wasn't a thing.

1276
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,440
She's fine.
She's worked most of her career.

1277
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,240
She's like in her late 20s now.
Most of her Korean just like

1278
00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,760
restaurants and shops and things
like that.

1279
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,920
Hospitality.
Hospitality.

1280
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,360
Yeah.
And anyway, she recently got a

1281
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,640
job with board force.
I don't think it's actually, but

1282
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,600
it's that whole unit.
Big and Ken.

1283
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,720
Yeah, exactly.
We have in 10 starting salary is

1284
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:15,680
the same as I think M5 teaching
like basically the end the like

1285
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,280
the top of teaching experience
way.

1286
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,200
And I was like, it's just a
joke.

1287
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,960
It's like, I'm not saying it's
great for you, for her, great

1288
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,120
for her what it should be, you
know, because it's a tricky job,

1289
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,000
but it's just funny, isn't it,
that we we gaslight ourselves

1290
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
and thinking, no, come on,
teachers are paid more than the

1291
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,320
average salary, which they are
when you're above, you know, the

1292
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,800
pay scale, so you should be
grateful.

1293
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,200
It's like, oh, should no,
actually, you know what, it's a

1294
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,680
horribly stressful job and I've
got people walking with no

1295
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,320
quality.
I've paid my qualifications to

1296
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,200
get here and time to get here.
Like took years to train and

1297
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,080
there's people just walking into
other fairly standard

1298
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,520
straightforward jobs.
Don't need any, any

1299
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,960
qualifications walking on the
same pay with with pay rises in

1300
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,080
there as well.
And you just, I'm just like,

1301
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,720
Nah, I'll be paid more.
It's, it's hugely, I'm sure it

1302
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:57,880
used to be more of a thing as
well.

1303
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,760
Like, you know what, it sounds
stupid.

1304
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,720
I always think of Ant and Dec
and when like it got reported,

1305
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,920
they've got the golden handcuffs
deal with ITV, which is

1306
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,440
basically you're they're stuck
with ITV now, but it's golden

1307
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,280
handcuffs because they've got so
much money.

1308
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,160
So like they've been paid a huge
amount of money, but they can

1309
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,440
only do stuff at ITV.
So there's some, I'm sure

1310
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
there's something similar with
schools where they could have

1311
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,600
this, where they hired a teacher
or if they had a teacher who

1312
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,600
thought was who they thought
would might leave, who they

1313
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,280
really valued and was good, they
could offer them this boost in

1314
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,600
their salary.
That's a one off payment.

1315
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,480
That used to be this thing.
OK, well, you have this, but

1316
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,640
you've got to stay for three
years.

1317
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,680
But here's 10 grand.
Yeah.

1318
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,720
OK.
That.

1319
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,040
Where's that?
That's disappeared.

1320
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:36,440
No.
Yeah.

1321
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,920
What?
Honestly.

1322
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,320
Now I want an honest answer.
OK.

1323
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,560
Genuinely, if you're a really
good teacher, what do you get in

1324
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,120
return for being an amazing
teacher?

1325
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,600
What compared to someone who's
maybe?

1326
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,960
Genuinely doing it's fine.
Who's fine but but it's OK doing

1327
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,400
the job.
Not even bad, right?

1328
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,960
But if you're an amazing
teacher, honestly, what do you

1329
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,880
get?
Nothing.

1330
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,680
I don't think I make maybe a bit
of recognition in some schools

1331
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,560
of like, oh, they're.
Really.

1332
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,200
Oh, that's that's tasty on my
side.

1333
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,000
Like recognition.
Yeah, I don't know.

1334
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,840
But money wise, absolutely
nothing.

1335
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,800
There is no incentive
financially for those people who

1336
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,680
are very financially driven like
me.

1337
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,880
To be fair, there's no financial
incentive to be like, go above

1338
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,320
and beyond.
Like, make that lesson a bit

1339
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,800
better.
Spend half an hour extra on the

1340
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,040
weekend just planning a bit
more.

1341
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,440
But even take away the
financials, spend time with your

1342
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:23,800
family.
Do you know what?

1343
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,400
Take away family, even if you
don't have a young family or

1344
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,440
you're not financially driven,
should be a reward for being

1345
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,880
good at something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1346
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,240
Like the very basic.
Well.

1347
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,560
It will be because you'll grow
up a pay scale.

1348
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:34,720
No, sorry.
I'm at the top now.

1349
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,080
Yeah.
Oh, I've got 25 more years.

1350
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,760
You're still good though.
You are good.

1351
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,400
Like thanks.
I think this is the perfect time

1352
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,000
to talk about another story I
saw this week.

1353
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,280
Yeah, go on, which was about a
multi Academy trust lead.

1354
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,360
I think it was the lead of the
the CEO of the Lyft Academy

1355
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:51,960
Trust.
OK.

1356
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,040
And I've briefly spoken to you
about this.

1357
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:54,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

1358
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,280
And it really rubbed me up the
wrong way.

1359
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,480
And you seem to have a varying
opinion of what this might mean.

1360
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,640
Yeah, well, I haven't really.
I purposely didn't really want

1361
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,560
to read this because I wanted to
have a raw like a real

1362
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,800
conversation.
OK, let's let's talk about this

1363
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,280
then it popped up this week.
Lots of people online sharing

1364
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,640
stuff and it really, really got
my back up.

1365
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:16,800
So it's a Lyft CEO, it's a Lyft
Academy trust, it's a bunch of

1366
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,400
schools.
The leader of this Lyft trust.

1367
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,800
And the headline was she wants
to scrap directed time because

1368
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,680
it's seen as outdated.
It needs review.

1369
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,320
There's no flexibility.
We shouldn't be counting hours

1370
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,760
if we want to be seen as a
profession.

1371
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,800
Immediately I thought, what is
wrong with you?

1372
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Are you insane?
Directed time is the only thing

1373
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,040
we have currently to point to to
reduce workload.

1374
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,160
It's the only thing we can
currently say.

1375
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,840
No, sorry, I can't come to that
disco later because it's not

1376
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,840
part of my directed time or
directed time doesn't exist

1377
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,200
anymore.
We just got to be professional.

1378
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,360
So you got to come.
It will only increase workload.

1379
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,760
Getting rid of directed time
will only increase workload.

1380
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,600
And to say that it's outdated
and it constrains the profession

1381
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,480
to have directed time.
Have you worked in a school

1382
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,160
before ever anyone where
directed time has actually been

1383
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,760
adhered to?
Only and strictly no.

1384
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,080
There is so much stuff outside
of directed time that as

1385
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,520
teachers we do because we have
to is marking in directed time.

1386
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,120
No, no.
Every teacher in the land does

1387
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,400
some kind of marking.
Is prep in directed?

1388
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,640
Time in the land that it's
cracking.

1389
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,960
Me up is prep.
Is prep in this land is

1390
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,360
precious.
Precious.

1391
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Some kind of Chieftain from,
like, Anglo Saxons.

1392
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,080
You know, you've definitely been
teaching Anglo Saxons.

1393
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,040
Yeah.
In the land is prep time

1394
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,840
indirected time?
No.

1395
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,920
Directed time is your teaching.
Yeah.

1396
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,560
And being with the kids.
So I interpreted this a little

1397
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,680
bit differently, and I don't
disagree with anything you've

1398
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,040
said, but I kind of interpreted
that as, yeah, so directed time

1399
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,480
is a complete joke, then it
doesn't work.

1400
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,680
I agree.
So like it does need a reform

1401
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,200
surely because it isn't not
like.

1402
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,720
Yeah.
It's been abused, yeah, and I

1403
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:02,040
get that.
It's like the only thing we

1404
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,800
have, but it's the.
It's terrible, though.

1405
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,160
We can have something better,
surely?

1406
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,440
Yeah, but but her point wasn't
that, she said rigidly counting

1407
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,840
hours is not, doesn't align
professional.

1408
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,400
She doesn't want to replace you
with a better direction.

1409
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,680
No, no, no.
It's just like we shouldn't be

1410
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,720
rigidly counting hours.
It's like we don't.

1411
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,080
That's what we've been saying
for you.

1412
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,840
I think we should.
Yeah.

1413
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,520
But you want to change it to
what it already is in a broken

1414
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,840
system.
You're like, well, this system's

1415
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
broken, let's get rid of it.
Let's get rid of it.

1416
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,440
It's not.
Working, I get that, I don't

1417
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,640
want to do that.
What I what I wish this was

1418
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,600
saying was hey, let's recognise
that directed time is completely

1419
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,360
abused, right?
Like you said, most of the jobs

1420
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,120
that teachers are directed to do
marking and planning, you are

1421
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,320
taught you literally will lose
your job if you don't do those

1422
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,200
things.
They're not in directed time.

1423
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,160
So what's the point of having a
distinguishment between directed

1424
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680
time and undirected time if you
have to do loads of directed

1425
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,920
tasks in undirected time?
It doesn't make any.

1426
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,480
Makes sense.
Well, OK, let's strip it back

1427
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,920
then, because directed time is
literally the number of hours

1428
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,200
during the year that school
leaders can direct teachers to

1429
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,680
work.
So that is when your director

1430
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,960
can say I need you in this
building doing this thing.

1431
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,640
OK, that's all directed time is
that's not rigidly counting

1432
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,960
hours.
She's that's, that's two

1433
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,560
different things here.
Yeah, this is this is when

1434
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,080
leaders can tell us where to be
and what that's.

1435
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,400
True, that's not counting hours.
This is.

1436
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,040
We all know that it was like
remotely 1265 or something like

1437
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:22,680
that.
We all know that.

1438
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,480
No one needs to count that up,
mate.

1439
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,640
No, because that number exists.
Yeah, and they do.

1440
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,840
And you know what?
We have a directed time

1441
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,880
calendar.
I don't understand what she

1442
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,960
wants here because it's not like
people that no one in this land.

1443
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,440
It's just doing directed time.
Yeah, no one, no.

1444
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,600
One's doing under it, that's for
sure.

1445
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,960
No one's doing it.
You don't need to count the

1446
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,480
hours because no one's doing
under it all.

1447
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,520
You need to three hours less.
It's like, no, I didn't.

1448
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,840
I did three hours marking
literally today.

1449
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,400
So there you go.
There's your, there's your, the

1450
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,560
deficit for the year.
Yeah.

1451
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,320
Yeah, yeah.
So if she's talking about she

1452
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,400
she, she specifically mentions
Gen Z.

1453
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,880
So it's Becks Boomer Clark, by
the way, who's the CEO?

1454
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,560
She specifically mentions Gen Z
and she says they prioritise

1455
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,080
flexibility and accountability
over fixed hours.

1456
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:07,920
I'm like, yes, that what?
What point do you think you're

1457
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,600
making?
Gen Z care more than anyone

1458
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,120
about doing loads of extra work.
The only way so directed time, I

1459
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,880
agree, needs to be reformed, but
it needs to be reformed in a way

1460
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,240
where it's like we can actually
say, no, I can't do that, not

1461
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,400
stop counting it.
I'm doing it in my own time.

1462
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:24,880
Yeah.
The the answer isn't to make

1463
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,200
everything in your own time.
And the answer isn't for SLT to

1464
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,320
be able to say sorry, you need
to come to this after school

1465
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,640
club.
Yeah, that's not going to

1466
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,720
happen.
The only answer, the only answer

1467
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:36,480
that I can think right, is we
stop pretending to be different

1468
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,880
than any other job, right?
And we literally just have

1469
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,360
working hours and, and it is as
simple as this.

1470
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,680
The working hours for one,
actually include all the stuff

1471
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,240
that needs to be done.
And if it doesn't, guess what?

1472
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,360
We have to reform it.
So they do because you cannot

1473
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,040
ask teachers.
So it will just become more of

1474
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,800
a, this is a nine to five job.
You have to, you work between

1475
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,680
8:00.
I don't care if it's like you

1476
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,800
can't direct you to be in the
building.

1477
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,080
It's not directed anymore.
It's just your job is 8 till 4

1478
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,240
and in that time these are the
jobs you got to get done.

1479
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,280
And then what we reform is, is
it a reasonable ask for those

1480
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,320
things to get done in that time?
And they have to include

1481
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,640
planning, teaching and marking
and assessment and a staff

1482
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,440
meeting or whatever.
Well, and if they're not and if

1483
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,160
you have to do overtime because
the school has decided, yes,

1484
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,760
because the school has decided
that that we want this font

1485
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,240
please and all of the things
now.

1486
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:21,960
And that's just a job you've got
to randomly do.

1487
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,920
If the school have decided that
they need to pay you for it.

1488
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,200
Yeah, over time.
Because what happens at the

1489
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,040
minute genuinely with directed
time, if the school decides

1490
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,880
something in terms of planning
or marking that is not in

1491
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,760
directed time.
So that what is already

1492
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,280
happening is schools are
directing you to do work.

1493
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Well, I don't care where I
wasn't saying you have to be in

1494
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,000
the building, but you do when
you plan.

1495
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,960
You do have to make 7 more
sheets now, every single.

1496
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:43,600
Time.
It's like.

1497
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,440
OK, well that is.
What it needs to be a system

1498
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,160
where if I've worked 8 till,
let's say 8 till 5, let's go

1499
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,880
further, right?
If I've worked 8 till 5 five

1500
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,240
days a week, right, there needs
to be a system where if I've

1501
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,160
genuinely worked those hours and
I haven't got marking done in

1502
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,360
one of my lessons, it needs to
be completely acceptable that

1503
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,640
that's OK, Yes.
It's like, oh, you did all of

1504
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,760
your hours and I can't tell you
to do more than that because

1505
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,840
that's ridiculous, isn't it?
So yeah, fair enough.

1506
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,720
Our policy is if you don't get
it done that time, that lesson

1507
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,080
doesn't get marked and you can
spend 5 minutes the next lesson

1508
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,800
and the kids do a bit of peer
marking.

1509
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,480
That's it.
And that's fine.

1510
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,320
We just leave it at that.
But you know, when you do have

1511
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,720
time, you get as much marking
done as you can in that time and

1512
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:20,320
it needs to be acceptable
because right now it's not

1513
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,120
acceptable that you work all
your directed time hours and you

1514
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,480
do all your marking outside of
it.

1515
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,680
It's not acceptable.
If you missed a little bit of

1516
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,960
that marking, even though it's
in your own time, it's not

1517
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,080
acceptable at all.
You'd absolutely be shunned as a

1518
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,320
teacher.
Why haven't you been marking

1519
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,800
your books?
Oh, it's just that I did 8 till

1520
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,360
5, which is already more than
directed time and I still didn't

1521
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,840
have time to do it.
Well, you know I'm not going to

1522
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,240
direct your time, but you need
to get it done.

1523
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,680
Yeah, but I've just told you
that I'm working 8 till 5:00

1524
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,840
every day and I also put an
extra 4 hours at a weekend, just

1525
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:46,640
so you know.
You know what?

1526
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,120
I didn't tell you to do that.
You could have done that in

1527
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,880
PPAI.
Think this expectation directly

1528
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,880
links to why people are just fed
up after.

1529
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,360
Some.
That's it.

1530
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,080
It's just fed up.
I've got friends, do you know, I

1531
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,560
spoke about police earlier and
it'd been incredibly stressful.

1532
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,760
Being a police officer is much
more stressful than being a

1533
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,680
teacher.
Absolutely is by a mile.

1534
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,080
I'm going to say, but it's not
going against what I just said.

1535
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,560
But I know if you do overtime as
a police officer because you're

1536
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,040
in a job and you can't, you
can't be a police officer

1537
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,360
chasing a criminal and go 04 PM.
Of course they do it for the

1538
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,080
passion.
Yeah.

1539
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,160
No one's saying to the police
officer you're doing it because

1540
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,360
you hate criminals.
Yeah.

1541
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,120
No.
Do you know what they do?

1542
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,120
They go back, clock off late and
get paid extra for their

1543
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:28,880
overtime.
Yeah, as simple.

1544
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,840
As that.
Because you know what?

1545
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,880
They bloody well should.
They're doing the job.

1546
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Yeah.
My job isn't important.

1547
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,480
Yeah.
Yeah, it's an important job.

1548
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,440
Stop taking my time for granted
government needs.

1549
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,120
To decide now really, do you
want, do you want teachers to

1550
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,240
plan a mark?
Genuinely.

1551
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,320
Because if the answer is yes, it
needs to be the same system.

1552
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,320
Because if it's that important,
then there needs to be an

1553
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,200
overtime system.
If it's not that important, then

1554
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,480
make it acceptable in our
culture that we just don't do

1555
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,960
it.
Then if we run out of time, we

1556
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,200
won't do it, but it's not
acceptable.

1557
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,120
So we can't have the middle.
You can't have the like the

1558
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,760
worst of both of those.
And we're not going to pay for

1559
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,960
the overtime, but we're going
to.

1560
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,040
It's so important that we do
expect you to do it in your own

1561
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:02,320
time.
It's.

1562
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Actually so important that we
shouldn't count hours anymore.

1563
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,240
We should just get the job done.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1564
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,840
Yeah, no, I think I agree.
If that's her point, that's mad.

1565
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,040
I was really holding that hope
that she that her whole point

1566
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,400
was directed.
Time is abused and doesn't work

1567
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,360
as a system currently.
We need a better system, not

1568
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,040
scrap it and then have it all
in.

1569
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,880
There so I can tell you what to
do whenever I want.

1570
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think so.

1571
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,000
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
We've got a meeting at half 7:00

1572
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,920
tomorrow.
Oh, no direct time.

1573
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,680
No direct time gone.
What don't exist?

1574
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,680
Direct time's gone, mate.
Because director time doesn't

1575
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,840
exist for SRT.
It's not a thing.

1576
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,720
It's not, no, it's not a thing
for SRT.

1577
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,480
But I think for the same reason
of just, you know, you've got

1578
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,640
that job, you got to get stuff
done.

1579
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,560
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
It should though, I think.

1580
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,480
I think the whole the system
should exist for everybody.

1581
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,640
Head teacher down to support
staff.

1582
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,360
Because it's just alongside
erosion of pay, it's like,

1583
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,040
what's the point?
Why would I want to bother?

1584
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,440
So that and that's I think
directly linking to why this is

1585
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,200
no longer a career for your
whole life.

1586
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,680
Let's let's kind of wrap this up
and just go over a little list,

1587
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,280
right, and see if we've missed
anything bigger we want to talk

1588
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,880
about.
So why isn't our job for life?

1589
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,800
The pay, the pay is not right
there.

1590
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,520
It's not there.
It's not as good as it used to

1591
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,840
be and you get capped.
It's not.

1592
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:09,640
It's not.
Comparative.

1593
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,600
Comparative.
You've got friends in, you know

1594
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,520
what's quantity surveying?
Yeah, exactly.

1595
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,320
Those friends who when you
started your career, you were on

1596
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:17,240
a bit more than them.
Yeah.

1597
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Yeah, I'm a bit like, I got one.
I went to university, I've got

1598
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:20,360
1.
Double me now.

1599
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,480
Exactly.
They will literally double yeah

1600
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,480
yeah in the same progression.
It's just not the progression.

1601
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,920
So also the progression of the
job we should talk about.

1602
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:27,760
Please check out our last
episode.

1603
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,600
I'm not going to talk about this
again, but the progression is

1604
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:30,880
uninviting.
Go and find out why.

1605
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,320
Listen to our last episode.
The job itself being horribly

1606
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,400
stressful, as we've talked about
a lot in this one, is another

1607
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,280
reason why people just like I'm
fed up with this, don't want to

1608
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,080
do it.
The flexibility compared to

1609
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,360
other jobs.
Like we've just said, it's it's

1610
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,840
not that flexibility compared to
other jobs that are similar is

1611
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,400
not there.
Well, new parents want to drop

1612
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,600
their kids off at school.
Can't do that.

1613
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,600
Yeah, can't do it.
You gotta.

1614
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,560
Be do that.
Gotta be a breakfast.

1615
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,560
Club or something?
Yeah, yeah.

1616
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,200
So that's not there.
You know, people say, Oh yeah,

1617
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:52,880
there's holidays.
Yeah.

1618
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,960
But it's not flexible, is it?
It's not.

1619
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,560
It's not the right word.
No, it's not.

1620
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,160
If you loads a holiday, you get
30 weeks off a year, you're

1621
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,120
great, you get all the school.
It's actually it's actually the

1622
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,680
least flexible job I've ever
thought of.

1623
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,520
Yeah, you can't book any holiday
off ever, when you need it, when

1624
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:04,160
you actually.
Want it?

1625
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:05,880
Yeah.
You can't, not actually can't

1626
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,840
book your week flexible.
So that's that's the main,

1627
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,320
that's the main reason.
And then I guess overall that

1628
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,960
just leads us to this final
point or maybe final point of

1629
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,440
the pros just don't know where
the cons anymore because the

1630
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,040
pros are.
And let's face it, Dylan said in

1631
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,000
the last episode, and we'll say
every single time if we need to

1632
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,520
so we don't come across two
negative Nancy, the pros are

1633
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,760
teaching is unbelievably great.
It feels so good.

1634
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,360
We're good at it.
We love it.

1635
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,680
I don't think I'd get the
satisfaction out of any other

1636
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,160
job on this planet more than I
do when I'm standing in front of

1637
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,280
a class knowing that they're
learning and enjoying their time

1638
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,920
at school because of what I'm
delivering them.

1639
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,240
There is no feeling that could
match that that is the pro.

1640
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,520
But unfortunately,
unfortunately, the cons outweigh

1641
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,640
it and there's no way.
There's no way I'm doing this

1642
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,720
job for 35 years.
Not a chance.

1643
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,360
It it simply will not happen
because, yeah, you even need to

1644
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,640
not this is this is the summary.
You even need to end up not

1645
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,800
doing the job to the ultimate
standard or you leave the job.

1646
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,240
Yeah.
And this, I just can't do it.

1647
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,200
I can't do this job to the level
that I see myself as being

1648
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,520
required to with my young
family.

1649
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,240
I don't want to, No.
And and, you know, even if I

1650
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,480
didn't have my young family, I'd
be looking at it going.

1651
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,200
Don't take me for a mug.
I'm not doing it.

1652
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,880
Yeah.
I'm not spending four hours on a

1653
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,360
Sunday planning.
No, I'm not doing it.

1654
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,120
Yeah, it's so hard.
I'm already finding it really,

1655
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,480
really hard.
Just being real for a second.

1656
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,600
Like in 10 years, I've always
managed.

1657
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,600
I've always been all right.
I might moan a bit, but I've

1658
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,360
done it.
I'm for the first time in my

1659
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,400
career now.
We've got a baby.

1660
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,120
I'm just like I said to my
colleague the other day, I was

1661
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,600
like, I actually feel like
really overwhelmed and like kind

1662
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,600
of upset about this.
I genuine, I genuinely can't do

1663
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:40,680
it.
I was like, I don't understand

1664
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,760
when I'm going to do these
things and my planning.

1665
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,200
I don't even have like there's
people have way more work than

1666
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,320
me and I'm like, Oh God, I can't
manage it.

1667
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
I've got, I've got a plan a week
of English this weekend and I'm

1668
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,000
like, I genuinely don't.
I just don't have the time to do

1669
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,960
it unless I sacrifice time with
my with my baby.

1670
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,800
But I've spent all week working.
So I want to have my weekend

1671
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,720
with her.
And it makes me feel a bit

1672
01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,800
upset.
Like I feel a bit upset right

1673
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,720
now talking about it, but like,
I don't know, it just sucks.

1674
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,800
I hate him.
And I'm just trying to explain

1675
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,040
it to people and it's sort of
like they kind of get it but

1676
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,680
kind of don't because the job
does need to be done because

1677
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:09,680
they all need that planning as
well.

1678
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,680
And I'm like oh I am feeling
horribly overwhelmed though and

1679
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,880
I don't know when I'm going to
do it anymore.

1680
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,560
There's this Your baby can't
wait until half time.

1681
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,200
No, because you know what?
She'll she'll be 4 years old

1682
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,440
before I know it and I'll look
back and think, for God's sake,

1683
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,280
no one cares about that planning
anymore because we've changed it

1684
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,920
17 more times.
You know what, I think we might

1685
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,760
have to do a whole episode on
this exact topic, which is just

1686
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,480
the insanity of teaching and the
desire to reinvent the wheel.

1687
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,520
And the amount of, I'm going to
call them out right now.

1688
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,720
The amount of people out there
who run schemes and stuff and

1689
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,120
sell them to school like it's
Jay's my geography and the

1690
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,400
history scheme.
And and then have the goal when

1691
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,280
asked, OK, where are the tasks,
please?

1692
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,400
And the resources They have the
gall to reply and go, well,

1693
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,200
that's different for every
school, isn't it?

1694
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,280
It's different for every cohort.
No, it's not.

1695
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,000
No, it's not.
I've gotta learn about the

1696
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,320
differences in Roman life and
modern life.

1697
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,160
Yeah, yeah, that's not different
for every school.

1698
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,720
Get in the bin.
Let's Right.

1699
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,600
Let's not reinvent the wheel
every time and make me spend 6

1700
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,560
hours my weekend where I could
be with my boy, I think.

1701
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:12,880
We've got next week's episode,
don't we?

1702
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,280
Yeah, we do.
I think we do genuinely need to.

1703
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,280
I wanna.
I wanna talk about this.

1704
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,560
Yeah.
Extensively with you.

1705
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,480
Yes, this idea of we are, we
have convinced ourselves as a

1706
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,360
culture, as a nation, as a land
that we have to, we are only

1707
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,520
good teachers if we replan the
same lesson for the 10

1708
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:30,520
thousandth time, even though
every teacher in the land is

1709
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,040
teaching this same history
lesson.

1710
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,480
We need, we need to have 10,000
variants of it that we've got to

1711
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:35,920
talk about.
This.

1712
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,440
Everyone in the country, up and
down the country next week in

1713
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,080
year 4 is doing additional
subtraction.

1714
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,480
This country is doing additional
subtraction.

1715
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,680
Yeah, OK.
How many different ways can you

1716
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,160
teach a child to do column
edition we.

1717
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,080
More than one.
Put me in the bin here.

1718
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,000
Honestly, put me in the bin.
If you disagree with what I'm

1719
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,720
about to say.
There are I could make I could

1720
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,920
make 3 lessons for this one
objective and it would be

1721
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,520
suitable.
Any country in any class in the

1722
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,280
land could pick up one of those
three lessons for their class

1723
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,280
and teach it well and it would
be fine.

1724
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,760
I almost agree.
I'd say like 95%.

1725
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,400
I reckon there's always a 5%
outlier, but I think 3 lessons

1726
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:15,920
would.
Three lessons be.

1727
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,080
Suitable for 90. 51 exchange
with one exchange in your column

1728
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,760
method, I could make three
different lessons, varying

1729
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,120
ability, you know, or just one
that's really differentiated and

1730
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,920
scaffolded.
Well, yeah, but probably would

1731
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,000
be suitable.
Probably 3.

1732
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,840
You could there'd be a teacher
can pick that up and then not a

1733
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,600
worse teacher if they.
Did I think it's a good analogy?

1734
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,240
And I think what reigns true is
it's closer to that than needing

1735
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,400
10,000 different variants.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1736
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,360
You know what we've got in our
country, we've got like 30,000

1737
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,600
schools, right?
And we've got, OK, primary

1738
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,680
schools are probably half of
that 15,000 ish, right?

1739
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,960
We don't really need 15,000
different lessons on Collom

1740
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,360
edition every year.
No, because that's the that's

1741
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,120
the extra factor is people doing
it every single year re planning

1742
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,680
it.
Well, I've got to because it's a

1743
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,280
different cohort of children.
No, you don't.

1744
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,680
Let's talk.
Let's talk about this next time

1745
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,120
that is on.
We've got to do this on our next

1746
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,600
episode.
OK, Aiden, is teaching a career

1747
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,800
for life anymore?
Unfortunately not.

1748
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,800
I don't think it is either, no.
What a shame.

1749
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,160
I wish it was.
Yeah, me too.

1750
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,480
I wish it was.
I wish I could retire as a

1751
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,200
teacher happily, yeah.
But I don't think I can and I

1752
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,440
won't.
Guys, please give us a review.

1753
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,560
Here we go.
No, honestly, I can't stress how

1754
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,680
many hundreds of you have joined
us in the last couple of weeks.

1755
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,400
It's been insane.
So thank you for coming along.

1756
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,520
Thank you for listening, reviews
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1757
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,240
So please do give a review,
share the podcast, send us a

1758
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,480
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I've been loving reading your

1759
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,720
messages as.
Well, and sometimes we're more

1760
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:32,920
positive.
That was quite a downer of an

1761
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,600
episode today, do you think?
Yeah, I think so.

1762
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,160
I think we're quite negative,
but we always worry.

1763
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,440
About realistic.
Yeah, exactly.

1764
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,760
We're realism, you know, and I
wanna, I wanna make sure.

1765
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,840
And you know what, we wouldn't
be as down and annoyed if we

1766
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,080
weren't passionate and like
teaching.

1767
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,600
I agree.
So it's a double edged sword.

1768
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,120
Hope you enjoyed the episode.
Check out other ones.

1769
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:47,800
Bye guys, See you soon.