Ep 8: How Much Work Do Teachers Actually Do?

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Usually we start the podcast off
as some kind of joke or a little

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skit that we put together.
But we thought this week after

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reading, what was just
horrifying news story that this

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really deserves to be spoke
about in its own, right?

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And it was the story of Ruth
Perry.

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She was a head teacher, who
worked at a primary school and

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tragically.
She took her own life and more,

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and more light has been shed on
what happened and essentially,

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her school had been inspected by
ofsted, and she's been passed

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down the Judgment.
That her school was was

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inadequate.
And that's the language that is

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used by enough said rating and
in the interim period from her

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receiving that judgment to.
When the report would be

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published this tragic event
happened and I think what we

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need to do is just give her the
respect.

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She deserves and really shed a
light on what is a profession

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that is steeped in these
horrible horrible pressures it

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is absolutely Dreadful news and
I think it really has put ofsted

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in the spotlight right now and
it's brought something really

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important in teaching to the
Forefront.

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Everyone's mind, which is
well-being.

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It's something we've talked
about a little bit before in a

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previous episode because the end
of the day working in schools

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can be incredibly incredibly
stressful.

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So if you are having a hard time
at school, visit education

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support dot org.uk for some tips
and support or they've even got

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a helpline that you can use as
well.

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of teach steep.
Repeat, my name is Dylan and my

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name is Hayden.
Thank you so much for tuning in

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to episode 8.
I can't believe we're this far

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in already.
We're absolutely loving it and I

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must say, Dylan, I'm feeling
really good.

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Oh yeah.
Because we are booming.

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We have we are getting so many
new listeners and our podcast.

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We've got people from all over
the country.

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People are house like your
house.

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Like, you know, everyone's
listening a whole to households

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up you're saying well, You know,
what's really interesting is we

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do have the numbers.
We do have an app, so it tells

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us all the statistics and stuff
and jokes aside is really

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exciting for us because we
wanted to this for a long time

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and we're getting close to 100
unique listeners every week

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already, which is just crazy.
Can you imagine?

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I know, we live in the world of
millions of views on Tick-Tock

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videos and stuff, but can you
just imagine 100 people walking

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around just to listen to us?
Chat rubbish?

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Like honestly, I can't believe
it is so exciting.

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That's 100 customers, Dylan,
100,000 Running joke there, if

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you don't get it, go back and
listen, just think of all the

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merchandise, we can sell them.
I can think of tops of underst

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written across it and inflatable
dolphin that we just sell.

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But it's been sold half deflated
already, of course because yeah,

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you know.
Yeah.

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And if this is the first podcast
listening to, I completely

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understand how you have no idea
what we're talking about.

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So do go back and watch them.
But Hayden, great, great note to

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start.
I'll absolutely love that

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because we are really excited.
I'm going to keep doing it.

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We're going to keep doing this
and you guys are the Ones who

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drive this forward.
You're doing this for and your

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stories and you writing in to
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Even if it's just to say hello,
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spread the word of the podcast
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Absolutely amazing for us and
get Hayden.

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Guess what?
The last thing I'm going to ask

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for is because I'm a bit
obsessive it, right?

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I'll go on, go on a rating on
Spotify, please, because we are

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going up and up and up.
We've got a bunch of followers,

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but our rating number is less
than number of followers.

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We've got so, I know you're out
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Just click that five-star, it
helps us so much, we really

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appreciate it.
Listen right, we want that

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organic growth.
So every single week we're going

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to tell you, to go and share our
reels and give us a rating or,

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right?
It's all about the organic

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growth.
Anyway, Should we move on?

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You're gonna completely organic
from the goodness of your own

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heart?
And from the goodness of me

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constantly telling you what to
do.

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So come on in Hayden.
I suppose this is the time where

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you have to tell me all about
your we can't wait.

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Come on laughing.
Well listen right.

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There's a bit of a throwback to
last week, you'll know if you

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watch any of our reals some of
them.

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You can see that I'm wearing
that beautiful necklace of

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beans.
Well, I was, I was I'll keep my

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neck warm.
All right, I got a bit of

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Whiplash from playing squash
anyway.

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It got Wes you and actually
around.

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So you didn't see this, you
didn't know what happened.

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I just took myself off to minor
injuries because my necklace,

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really, really hurting you
didn't.

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It hurts so much like to the
point where all people other

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people were like, maybe you
should go and get it checked

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out.
So, it wasn't just me, it wasn't

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just me.
I was, I wouldn't have got.

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All right, I'm just gonna put it
out, but I went there because I

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would have gone, but I did go.
Oh yeah.

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Cause you know, people convinced
me to go but I also, okay, fair

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enough, red.
So I assume you got there, you

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got Scene and then they kind of
put something in place.

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Your horrific neck injury or,
you know, they just laughed you

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off with Justin.
All right, you know, it might be

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one of those two options.
It doesn't matter does it

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because he's poor, but it's just
checking that I'm.

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All right.
Okay.

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And it just happens to be that I
am all right?

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And yes they did laugh it off
and tell me to get some

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painkillers.
If I sat there for three hours

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could have just gone to the shop
and got yourself three hours,

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telling you.
Listen, these guys are under

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immense stress, Hayden.
They're striking because of

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horrific working conditions and
pay and they're just stretched

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to the Limit because people go
into them to see them for a bit

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of a sore neck.
It did feel a bit bad.

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I did actually feel bad.
I was like, oh God, I am that

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guy, I am, that person when I
got there, I remember I message

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you actually after about three
hours of sitting around saying,

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hey, I've seen this whole room
turn around like there's not a

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single person that's in this
waiting room, that was here,

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when I got here and you said to
me, you're like probably means

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it's quite a low priority.
Then I was like, I want to be

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angry at you, and I was like, oh
man, he's right, I've clearly

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shouldn't be here.
There's people walking in with a

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thumb half all Ling off and
there and your they're going to

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pipe my necks a bit.
So let me in please.

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I think my legs broken,
literally while some texting you

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on my phone looking down.
Yeah, yeah.

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My necks broken.
I was stupid.

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Well, sounds like a great use of
the NHS is time.

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Thank you for your service and I
know that's actually fine.

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Well, something did happen to
school as well.

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Actually I'm going to tell you
about just a quick.

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Again a bit of a throwback here.
It was quite funny.

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Made me laugh.
A new and a new member joined my

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master class this week.
Hey up too often.

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But yeah and a new be a newbie,
join me.

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And obviously, they came into
the other children immediately,

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you know what, I'm going to ask
the player right at the start of

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the lesson.
He's either.

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Can we play by that?
Come with Bebo, darts or can we?

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Can?
We pay shootout?

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Which they're doing and I see
she said she sat down little bit

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confused.
And she said, what's, what's the

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blow dryer?
And then before I get to answer,

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she says she assumes, you know,
wrongfully makes an assumption

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here, that this is a normal type
of game.

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She says is it that one where
you just kind of go head-to-head

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in the person that gets it wrong
sits down?

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And I was like, no, no no, no
no.

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Proceeded to explain her.
This insane game.

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We play in math.
You're there.

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Just shaking your head.
No, no, I put in your jacket on

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explore Jackson and I darling
handing her, the elephant is put

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on ahead.
No, no, this is don't know what

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the other kids already put on
their differently.

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Is ready to play.
You've got the zebra, the

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cheater the Jag.
Yeah.

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Oh sorry.
Yeah, he go, let's go.

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Yeah.
So that was quite fun.

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It's enjoyable explaining the
game to a new person.

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So yeah that's that's the
highlights of my week anyway.

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What about you?
Anything interesting, yeah.

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I mean, the that one thing
happened this week, and I know

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every single teacher can relate
to this, because there is just

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something, isn't there about
finding a treat or a stash of

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food or something?
Just to keep you going when the

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job is just absolutely making
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So tired, you finish the day and
I was talking, we went down, I

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went down to your five, went
down to have a chat.

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It was for an actual work reason
but they had a box of biscuits

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on the side.
So obviously I'm edging towards

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them as well.
I've just got this me just

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slowly agent.
Are you AFI not bad?

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Fake.
Your fingers just like, you

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know?
Like like the hand of Wednesday.

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The handles like a vanilla.
Yeah.

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Oh yeah, my day was fine.
You know, I'm the worst with

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small talk.
My day was good.

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Yeah.
Lovely.

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Oh screams is it over?
And then and then and then they

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offer you can I have 100.
Yeah.

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Thank you brilliant.
Yeah.

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I'll take one of those lovely.
I've been good.

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Go on then the classic.
And so then obviously we got

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chatting even more.
As you know, chatting away

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genuinely got into a
conversation.

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But ate like three or four in
the process as well because, you

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know, if you're gonna have a
conversation for that long in a

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school, where time is.
So, so valuable, you want a few

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biscuits as well.
Yeah.

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But anyway, the best part came
when they went to put the

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biscuits away, funnily enough,
you know, obviously, normally

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the worst time when they put the
biscuits are late.

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Nope, because they open this
cupboard at a stash crisps and

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the best thing.
So Chris chocolate more

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biscuits.
And even at the back, you know,

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I'm like my drink Hayden.
I like to constantly be guzzling

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on water gardening on So I'm
always thirsty the back of the

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cupboard.
I honestly I kid you not a two

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and a half liter bottle of
lemonade.

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It's like, okay, cool went to
the kitchen, came back with an

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empty glass straight away.
I just, I would honestly say

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that they're eating lemonade
scoffing, some foxes biscuits,

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they've gone, they've gone back
into their classroom tomorrow, I

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stood on my own in the shed
area, literally just having my

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own little snack party.
So that was a good hard life but

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I do know I love how much like
you're the only person I know

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actually, I'm sure there are
others.

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I'm sure I'm the weirdo here.
The, you love drink so much.

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Like a good drink to you.
Is like almost equal.

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I feel like it's like a good
snack close to me.

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There's just, there's no
comparison.

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I don't care.
I'll just drink water all day

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but a chocolate treat or yeah.
But you're weird.

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You drink so much liquid in the
day.

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I don't understand how this this
would be interesting because

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number one apparently it's a
huge sign of diabetes.

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So I should probably go to the
doctor but the second thing is

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minor injuries and my neck
hurts, and I'm thirsty all the

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The other thing is that, I'd be

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really interested to hear from
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are interested at all in what
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Or is it just water?
Because I forced my eyes, I

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drink lots of water during the
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drink it.
I'm not drinking Coke and one of

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the children, anything like
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But yeah, I do wonder.
Where did most people fall?

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Do they do they like a good
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Does it make them excited when
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fridge?
And I'll, yeah, banging known

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alcoholic like just just a nice
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That's not water or do they just
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They'll just consume whatever's
in front of them.

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You know, we really tackle the
big issues on this podcast.

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So if you want to let us know,
what's your favorite drink

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today?
Oh my God.

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Can I just have just remembered
something that happened last

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week?
Is it your expense?

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Obviously in it's about you
drinking.

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So we went out for lunch last
week, listeners.

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We went out for lunch.
All right.

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Dillon myself and our partners
and but something really funny.

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Happened related to Dylan's
strange liquid that you drink so

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much stuff.
It's ridiculous.

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Right?
Can I really very quickly Just

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I've got no idea where this is
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will do.
You'll hear the story on your

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Billet?
Oh God.

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Okay, you've exposed me.
All right, so we finished.

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Our lunch is the context.
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We finished our last a drink,
there we go.

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Okay.
Hey, we'd already had a drink

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with our lunch.
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when you get like a full-size
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the whole meal, right?
Unless you have out for like

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having wine or beer and stuff
like that, it's different just

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it's just like soft drinks.
Okay, so we finished our meal

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and we didn't get pudding, but
Dylan was like, Might be nice.

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I'm gonna get a hot chocolate.
I'll sink and fair enough.

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That's like your pudding is
another drink, but, whatever,

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you know, you've just drunk a
liter of, like Pepsi but line.

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And then when these, when he,
when he gave his order, it was

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like, well, actually, and he
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The the waitress back said, as
she can, I have a Coke as well.

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And so, he said, well, we'll
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embarrassed, that the fact that
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two drinks, and then then a lady
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down the hot chocolate.
If I didn't and then look Todd.

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Mostly naturally around the
table for okay?

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Who's having that the Coke or
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And we all quick to jump on.
So, yeah.

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Oh, that's also his as well.
Shit.

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See was so embarrassed, but you
can't drink a lot cause I don't

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get embarrassed easily, but the
idea of this way, is woman

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bringing a drinks order over and
it's all for me, exclusive you

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all finish.
There was, there's nothing on

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your plate.
You literally sat there and

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watch me drink hot chocolate
while sipping on a Pepsi.

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But yeah, let's say what it was.
Pepsi Max maximum taste maximum

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sugar so it works.
I suppose you would want more of

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you maximum flavor.
Well, the thing is about this,

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the stash in year 5.
This is where it leads into a

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really big moment for a podcast
Hayden.

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This is a historic moment and
you know why?

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No, we're about to our first
ever shout out.

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Okay, so this week, yeah, this
week we were talking to people

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about what they do, whilst they
listen to the podcast.

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You got loads of Answers, you
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Those loads different people

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By the way, share our rails,

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chair them, 50% of this podcast
is Miko, can you please give us

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Organic growth.

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Anyway, we got into one where we
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We have an avid listener her
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she listens often while stirring
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So, I know, you might be very
Right now and a bit shocked that

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you've got a nice shout out for
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Don't burn that shirt, pick it
up and we just want to say thank

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you for this.
Nice, appreciate you and your

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That was she like old sanity

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Always, I'm always on.

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Is this classic?
That's literally classic sounds

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but yeah, thank you.
And if you ever want anyone have

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a shout-out on this podcast,
that goes to about 100 people,

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which were very proud of having
one's a shout.

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Please, just let us know.
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One other thing, Hayden this
week that I did.

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I just keep my eye on it and I
know we like to get political

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sometimes.
I don't want to just drag

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everyone down and with us.
Yeah, baby, I don't wanna drag

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everyone down with me whilst I
get political stuff, but I just

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wanted to mention obviously in
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Boris Johnson, if you've not
watched this Boris Johnson, he's

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gone in front of a committee and
they're basically trying to find

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out if he lied to Parliament.
And it's a really big deal of

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you like a parliament.
Yeah, I'm not sure we need a

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little microphone committee to
find that one out.

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But So he's actually sat in
front of this committee, right?

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It's a bunch of politicians from
his party from the conservative

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party, Labour SMP, and they're
questioning him on whether he

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lied.
Because he said, in Houses of

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Parliament that no rules were
broken and guidance was followed

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at all times.
Obviously, the sucre report came

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out and the Met police had their
investigation and found them

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guilty, and he got a fixed
penalty charge.

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Notice I just beg you guys just
to go and watch it because it is

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the ultimate example in the
class.

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Asik politician, barefaced
lying.

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And, and people just kind of be
like, okay, cool, because the

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best part of it was they
literally show what he said to

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him on a screen, right?
So he stood there, he sat there,

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sorry, watching himself, say the
guidance and the rules were

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followed at all times on this
big TV, right in this committee

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and then immediately, they show
a picture of him.

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Draw the pictures of him holding
Glass glasses up with like real

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claims improve and to have
broken the rules.

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Yeah yeah where he got a penalty
charge notice and he had people

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in the room.
Not so Distancing whatsoever,

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right?
Yeah.

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And he he literally he staring
at the picture of this of these

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people stood next to each other
with a table, full of wine and

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beer, right?
They say to him.

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So basically how do you explain
this?

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Then if you weren't socially and
he's genuine answer.

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He says, he just shows.
We were following the guidelines

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that that was his.
We are following the guidelines.

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It a picture.
Oh, I hope I'm not doing it.

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And they said, well, here are
the guidelines and they read the

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guidelines to him.
Stay to M plus apart Old Times

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where you can.
If you can't one meter plus with

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necessary, you know, Provisions
in place where that's a mask or

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maybe.
Like, if you're sat at a desk,

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maybe those plastic, you know,
dividers down the side so that

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you're not left breathing on
people and ask yourself.

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Does everyone at this meeting or
this workplace?

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Have to be here.
Could they be at home?

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Or could this meeting or thing
that's going on for your

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business.
Not happen at all and you still

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get on with your work, right?
And it's so clear that this is

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just a get together a social,
they're having a drink.

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They're drinking wine, not
working.

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They having a drink and he just
he just goes.

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Yes there was there was we work,
we had all the provisions in

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place obviously it's a small
place, we have to be crammed

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together, but we had all the
provisions in, place, like

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plastic dividers and all this.
Not, and then the guy that she

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says, there's no plastic
dividers are, there's none in

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this picture.
There's none in this.

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That you're staring at and he
just goes, yes.

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Well you know we did this, we
did that, we did everything

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else, he just lies, just denying
the picture completely and it

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comes down to these two things
for Boris Johnson, right?

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One of two things have happened.
He either knew the rules and he

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lied.
Yeah.

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Or he doesn't know his own
rules, and he genuinely thought

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he wasn't breaking eyes, and
he's the most incompetent prime

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minister.
That's everything.

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I suppose.
It's a double negative right

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beside Boris.
Yeah.

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Which one you're going to Go for
it because it's just mad and

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I'll just like to write every
now and then I just find it.

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So like I was thinking about how
that is quite relatable to

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teaching, right but end and
that, that sort of behavior of

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just bare face lying because
it's just generally something

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you only do when you're sort of
like, below the age of 10

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honestly.
It just is is like your kids

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learn to lie and then they tend
to learn when you're a bit older

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but that doesn't really work.
Like people just see through it

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and then your reputation goes
down here and actually people

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don't like you as much, like
that's just how it works and

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it's just mentors me to Yeah,
that's why that's politicians

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tactics.
Is it to do what that to do all

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the children do my class when
they've been lately done?

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Something you've caught them
red-handed and they go.

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No, I didn't like what you did
because I literally saw you 3

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seconds ago.
Do it.

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So turn don't say you didn't
because that's just gonna make

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me annoyed and he, they just get
way of it, though.

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But they always do, and I think
they've learned that it's like,

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the whole strategy of like, it
is blatantly a strategy.

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I don't need anyone to tell me.
This is a thing to have worked

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this out, was like the most
basic level of inference ever

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that, that if politicians will,
just they never say sorry.

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They've clearly worked out that
if you You never ever, ever,

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ever admit to doing something
wrong that.

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There is a net gain to that.
Of course, a lot of people see

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right through it, but clearly
more than fifty percent, don't,

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obviously wouldn't do it.
And it's just I hate all these

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stupid tactics because it's
like, it's just Child's Play and

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it but it works on a mass scale.
Apparently this kind of happened

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in the committee, very briefly.
Last thing I will say about it

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was one of the people
interviewing him and asking him

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questions basically said there's
quite a few of your supporters

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who have been working really
hard in the last few weeks to

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completely discredit this
committee.

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Basically saying A lefty coup to
try and kick Boris out basically

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so that if they do find that he
was actually in the wrong.

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What could happen is you could
be kicked out of the comments.

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He could be like literally not
allowed to be an MP anymore.

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It's very serious from his
career because that's all he

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cares about.
So the guy said, this has been

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happening.
Can you say right now that you

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accept that we will, we will be
fair whatever judgment we come

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out as basically saying can you
tell us one that these people

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are wrong to be doing this to be
to be discrediting this before.

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It's even Started, but to he
said, you kind of want The Best

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of Both Worlds.
Because these people, your

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supporters are setting up so
that if they find you guilty,

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then the whole committee is, is
just fast.

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It's a lefty cool.
They're just trying to get rid

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of him, but if the committee
find him not guilty suddenly,

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the committee's word is
acceptable and is like,

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absolutely fun, completely
vindicates him and it was just

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such a good question and all he
did was just ignore it and he

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was just like, look, I've said
why I think that this committee

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has to be really Marshall and I
hope they will be really

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impartial.
And I look forward to you

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finding out that that I was in
fact, not breaking the rules and

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not misleading Parliament.
And I hope that's the conclusion

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that you come to.
And it's like cool, but you're

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00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000
going to accept that.
We might go against what you

452
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,600
think, and still be fair.
And he just literally goes.

453
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,000
I don't quite I don't quite like
that wedding.

454
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,900
You've put there.
But what I will say is that I'm

455
00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:14,100
absolutely sure that once you've
read all the evidence and you

456
00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:15,900
read read, where do I put
forward?

457
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000
You will find me and exonerate
me of everything.

458
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,600
So you just just didn't answer
the question at all.

459
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,700
Pathetic.
That's all I can say on that.

460
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,500
Right, let's dive straight into
them.

461
00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:28,900
You seen the title of this
podcast is what we want to

462
00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:32,600
really talk about this week.
And it's all about it, all,

463
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,000
stemmed, rather from a telegraph
headline that we saw and the

464
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,700
headline was simply teachers
negotiate for more, pay for Less

465
00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:44,200
work and it really kind of just
rather's up than the hater when

466
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,900
we saw that.
Because it's the whole idea of

467
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,500
the lazy teachers to are
stereotype and how much work the

468
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:52,900
teachers actually do, and all of
those classic things that we'll

469
00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,300
get into in a second.
What really annoyed me was, I

470
00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:57,700
went to click on the article to
read it because you know, I'm

471
00:20:57,700 --> 00:20:59,400
not ashamed.
You know, to say that I will

472
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,500
read anything from any newspaper
because I'm just interested to

473
00:21:02,508 --> 00:21:04,500
see what the points of view are.
I might not necessarily agree

474
00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,100
with them but I find it
interesting.

475
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:09,000
Sometimes to look at the counter
argument, even if just to kind

476
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,300
of show up what I think my
opinion, but it was behind a pay

477
00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:15,400
wall and I thought, this is
just, this is classic amount of

478
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,500
people that will see this, but
won't want to put the

479
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:19,500
subscription to read the Times
every month.

480
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:22,600
But I've seen this headline, and
it just perpetuates those myths,

481
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,300
and it got a bit Raw.
Add up.

482
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:26,400
Didn't it him?
Yeah big time because it is a

483
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,300
it's a it's a classic
stereotype.

484
00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:29,500
It's been around for as long as
I remember.

485
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,300
That's for sure.
Even I started teaching it was

486
00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:35,400
this whole idea of cool 13 weeks
holiday called lazy bunch and

487
00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:37,200
you know also I've always been I
haha.

488
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,000
Yeah it's funny but deep down
you know you do the job for a

489
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,300
few years you like us.
Not that's not true at all like

490
00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:43,800
that.
It doesn't work like this

491
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,500
whatsoever and I know we've got
a few examples of when we have

492
00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:50,200
you know how how different jobs
and different careers have

493
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,000
incredibly different timetables
doesn't make you lazier based on

494
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800
the amount of You have in a row,
you know.

495
00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:59,100
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, we've had jobs,

496
00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:01,700
we've got, you know, husbands
are people, we work with

497
00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:06,000
Partners who might go away for
six months in a row and then be

498
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,400
off for six months in a row.
That's, that's half, but they go

499
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,900
away, they stay away.
That's a big commitment away

500
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,600
from family.
There's no right or wrong way to

501
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,900
do your job.
There's no one way in which the

502
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,500
hours are distributed and
something about teaching that I

503
00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,500
want to get into today is just
to explain to everyone.

504
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:23,900
This is how much work that we
actually do more.

505
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,500
Not, I'm not looking for
sympathy.

506
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,300
I'm not looking to say we're
better than anyone else.

507
00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,100
This is just how it actually is
broken down because there's a

508
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:33,500
fundamental disconnect I find
between the general Public's

509
00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,800
idea of what a teacher does,
based on our contract, based on

510
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,800
our holidays, based on that I
can imagine.

511
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,700
If you're a parent that
annoyance of, I've got keep

512
00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:42,200
these kids occupied for six
weeks now.

513
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,900
Like, it seems like a long
stretch, doesn't it?

514
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,500
But with what we actually do put
into the job and you're

515
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:49,700
absolutely right Hayden 13 weeks
off a year.

516
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,600
I mean, we do get 13 weeks off.
It's correct.

517
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,800
It's that classic thing of
you're Wrong.

518
00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:58,000
But context is so key.
When was the last time Hayden,

519
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600
you did in a 93 gone to work at
3:09.

520
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,000
So that's something that happens
is a teacher.

521
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,200
I mean, it doesn't ever happen,
does it?

522
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,800
That's the thing people often
say.

523
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,000
Are, you know, you just worked
nine till 3:30, just getting a

524
00:23:08,008 --> 00:23:10,700
bit before the kids leave.
Just after, it's not, it's not

525
00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:12,700
reality.
There might be one teacher in

526
00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,500
this country who manages to do
that plays in the blood

527
00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:18,200
teachers, all, but there, but
the chances are that doesn't

528
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,600
happen anywhere for anyone.
I don't know any school now that

529
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,400
starts at 9:00 I don't know any
school that actually starts at

530
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,900
nine where children come through
and enter the building at 9:00.

531
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,500
It has creeped back actually
hasn't it.

532
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:31,700
You're right because it
different used to be a thing

533
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:33,000
that nine was kind of the
Standard Time.

534
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000
If anything, like 9:10 they've
caught last night sometimes but

535
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,900
you're dead, you're right.
It really has creeped back.

536
00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:39,600
I find that most of my friends
now.

537
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,900
I like all my kids, you know,
the kids coming. 88, 45 or 8:30

538
00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:44,700
or whatever.
Yeah, that's an interesting

539
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:46,200
point.
So, I just want to dive into

540
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,900
this and give the context for
people because it's something

541
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:50,100
we've mentioned before in the
podcast.

542
00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:52,800
And we said jokingly, well, what
a whole podcast was this and we

543
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,900
actually are putting a whole
session.

544
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,400
Section of our podcast Rubber
and it is directed time.

545
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,900
So Hayden, could you just
explain to everyone what they're

546
00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:01,000
at?
The time is then I'll come in

547
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,300
with the details, the final
stuff.

548
00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:04,600
Yeah, so really, really in a
nutshell, right?

549
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:07,200
We have to have something called
directed time and our job

550
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,700
because we have a wider
framework called Teaching

551
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,000
Standards.
And there are basically

552
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,400
essentially lots of roles we
have to complete as teachers,

553
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,300
but it's hard to put a time
frame on everything.

554
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,700
So what we've come up, what the
system has come up with is

555
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:22,100
something called directed hours
or directed time where the

556
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:26,300
school is allowed to say, For
this amount of hours a year

557
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,300
which is obviously broken down
into per week.

558
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,600
Typically we can tell you
exactly what to do in that time.

559
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:35,900
But outside of that time you do
things as and when you need to

560
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,900
to meet those, those teacher
standards.

561
00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,700
Yeah.
So directed time is broken down

562
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:48,400
to 1265 hours over the year and
that is over 39 weeks.

563
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,400
So that's 195 days.
So 39 weeks in the year.

564
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,600
That's why we got our time off
from the 13 weeks.

565
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,900
Five of those days are inset
days where we expected to go and

566
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:59,600
do training.
But what's really interesting is

567
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,500
comparing this time.
So if you look at 1265 hours, if

568
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,500
you compare that to the amount
of hours, someone does in a

569
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,300
general full-time job with,
let's say four weeks holiday,

570
00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:14,900
they're looking at much closer
to 1800 hours and how many hours

571
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:17,600
a week is that on?
So that's on 38 hours a week.

572
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,900
Yeah, for 48 weeks that's
considering you get four weeks

573
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,300
holiday paid.
You know you're looking at 24

574
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,000
hours of work during that year,
okay?

575
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
So a standard full-time
contract, some of 37 and a half

576
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,600
summer 38, it's just roughly
around there.

577
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,900
So there's a huge disconnect
there and you can see where

578
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:37,700
these stereotypes come from.
That is two thirds of the hours

579
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:39,500
that teachers have in their
contract.

580
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,900
But I want to play a little game
of you Hayden right now because

581
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:43,800
you're literally a teacher as we
all know.

582
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,600
And we did that PP a skit, the
start of an episode previously

583
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,200
about all the things teachers
have to do.

584
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:55,600
So I want to highlight to
everyone these Five hours, I

585
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,700
want you to tell me Hayden, the
things that you believe are

586
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:03,400
included in this directed time
as our contract States and then

587
00:26:03,408 --> 00:26:05,800
we'll talk about what's not
included and how actually that's

588
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,900
going to make up the difference.
So I knew this was coming up and

589
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:11,400
I purposely avoided looking up
anything to do with director

590
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,700
time, basically and I thought
it'd be more fun to just guess.

591
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,500
Obviously, in outside of I Derek
to time we have this kind of

592
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:19,500
caveat of you.
Also have to get lots of these

593
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:22,200
other jobs done and it's all
kind of included in the salary

594
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,200
that we paid.
So it's kind of hard to to say

595
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,300
that we have this, we only pay
for those directed hours, right?

596
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:28,600
But it's really strange, isn't
it?

597
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600
Before you start guessing how we
have a contract, which says x

598
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,200
amount of hours, and then, it
just kind of completely ignores

599
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,700
that by saying, but you have to
get everything else done.

600
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,800
Yeah, I know.
Well, when there's no point

601
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,500
having this number of hours is
there because that's not the

602
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,200
job.
It's almost almost an admission

603
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,800
of by the way, these jobs you
can actually can't get done in

604
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,100
these hours that we're saying a
direct.

605
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:48,800
Yeah.
But we're just going to just

606
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,600
going to leave this random
number anyway.

607
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,300
We could increase it but no.
So I think because of that with

608
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,300
that in mind Obviously they're
going to be jobs that don't fit

609
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:55,900
into it.
Come on.

610
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,900
SO number one thing, you can get
a full house here.

611
00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:59,600
Come on, Arkansas.
I can duplicate number one

612
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,100
teaching.
It's a contact time of the

613
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,600
Judgment including all of those
times like in the mornings and

614
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:06,500
when you're dismissing them or
whatever you know when you're

615
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:07,900
not teaching but you need to be
with them.

616
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,700
Yeah.
I contact time right.

617
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,300
Yeah.
Just contact time I think there

618
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,400
has to be there has to be
something to do with planning.

619
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:21,200
I know that's going to be a
funny one PPA we try that and I

620
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,000
bet it covers things like
marking and assessments that To

621
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,300
do it properly, welcomes all.
Well, we're going to come into

622
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:30,600
that in much more detail later.
It's there, but it's not really

623
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,200
enough, but keep going.
Okay, that's interesting.

624
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,300
Is it takes a lot of time to
mock tests and things.

625
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,900
Yeah, I reckon parents evening.
That's gotta be Mac me is in

626
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:43,300
there but yeah, it started
reports report writing.

627
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,100
No.
Oh really, I really think that

628
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,900
almost in there.
Not, not directly in directed

629
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,100
time.
Oh, that's interesting.

630
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,600
I this thought I was given.
Yeah.

631
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:53,500
No, not in the list on any you
my fraid.

632
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:55,400
So unless Got their information
wrong.

633
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,500
It's not actually directly in
that time.

634
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,700
Lot of schools give time for it,
which is very good and grateful,

635
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,000
but it's not in directed time.
I'm going to presume.

636
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,900
I don't know if this is the
right sort of thing is, like,

637
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,300
break duties, lunch duties.
Is that a thing that had been

638
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,500
done Exercise?
I'm so any duty is indirect to

639
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:11,800
time, okay?
But not lunch.

640
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,900
Lunch is one hour where it
technically, it's not on our

641
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:16,100
contract.
We're not paid.

642
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,900
Of course, teachers always take
the full hour and just chill and

643
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:19,700
relax.
Don't know how them?

644
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,200
Yeah, and don't do any work.
Definitely, definitely.

645
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,200
That's true.
Don't get me started.

646
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,200
Technically, Early lunch hour,
not at all.

647
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400
In director time, cannot be
directed during that time,

648
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,300
cannot be told to do something
or X, Y Zed, that is

649
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:31,700
interesting.
And we'll talk more about it

650
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,000
later.
But anyway, I'm trying think

651
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,400
what else might be interested
time?

652
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,600
You've pretty much got them.
All, there's only one.

653
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,900
One last thing and I'm in my
list are thing about something

654
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,200
happens every week.
We always it meetings, meetings,

655
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,700
exactly yeah.
Any meetings after school.

656
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:47,600
So professional development
training.

657
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,400
And if you have a group meeting
and stuff, you can't be directed

658
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,600
to do that.
If unless it comes out of your

659
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,600
director time, of course.
So there's there's lots in

660
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,500
there, right?
There's lots in there, but

661
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,400
nowhere near what?
The job entails.

662
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,300
So, the whole point of this kind
of exercise, hate is just to

663
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,400
show that.
Yes, the bear number of hours in

664
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,800
our contract is much less than
what you say.

665
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,600
The average worker might do in a
year, but but but but if you add

666
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:21,200
up a generic timetable, let's
say from 8:30, to let's say 3:30

667
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,300
because you have to dismiss
children as well, and that's

668
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,800
part of it.
Erected time you see what the

669
00:29:24,808 --> 00:29:30,100
children if you add up those
hours of just being in school,

670
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,200
not counting lunch hour, but
from When the Children walk in

671
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,300
the door.
So when you have this Le

672
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,700
contacts on, at the end of the
day, more contact time and the

673
00:29:37,708 --> 00:29:39,300
meeting.
So we add on an extra hour a

674
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:43,100
week and another arrow week,
let's say for CPD, let's just

675
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,000
say that let's add that in there
for good measure because usually

676
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,900
a couple hours a week where you
directed to do meetings and CPD.

677
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:55,500
If you add up all of those hours
together, you get to about Fifty

678
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:59,500
two hundred hours below contact
time, but then you've got to add

679
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,900
in what we said.
Parents evenings community

680
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,800
events, open evenings, all those
things that kind of happen

681
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,000
throughout the year, right?
That gets you pretty much to our

682
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,300
contact time to our director
time story.

683
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:13,800
So, the teaching the delivery of
the teaching, the meetings,

684
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,000
you've got to go to anything
your director to do in your time

685
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,900
in school.
Gets you to the directed Taco.

686
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:24,100
Okay, your turn.
So basically the A time that

687
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:28,800
were given only just covers like
that they'll, you know, like the

688
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800
bare necessity of a job, like
they actually being with the

689
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,000
kids.
So other than the PPA that we

690
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,300
get, which we've already jokes
about, which is, you know, about

691
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:40,000
two hours a week all of the
planning and a like extra

692
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,700
assessment.
You do any marking have to do,

693
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:43,900
which is obviously a ridiculous
job.

694
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,100
That's not socially included
know, and think of it this way,

695
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,600
right?
That, that was it. 1200 hours of

696
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,700
contact Time.
Vast majorities teaching, right

697
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:56,300
those lessons have to be made.
Not just that that curated by us

698
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:59,100
and I just want to break down
planning because again, people

699
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:01,000
might think oh you can just grab
planning from online but it's

700
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,800
just not true.
You've got to adapt it to your

701
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:03,900
class.
You've got to build it from

702
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:06,700
scratch most of the time, if
your school's embarking on a new

703
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,700
curriculum, that's a huge lot of
work load that's going to be put

704
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,000
onto to plan in your own time.
Maths English.

705
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,600
All the afternoon lessons.
You've got to interpret a

706
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,200
curriculum.
Read a curriculum.

707
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,300
Know what?
You've got to deliver you to

708
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,400
your children.
Prepare the teaching slides,

709
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,600
prepare the tasks.
That's just too.

710
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Be able to deliver it in the
first place, which is all we're

711
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
getting paid for in our
contract, the preparation

712
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,000
Hayden.
When was the last time?

713
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,700
I said it earlier, you spent a
lunchtime.

714
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:36,100
Just having your lunch when it's
not part of director time.

715
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:37,900
So we can add this onto the
list.

716
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,200
What do teachers spend?
Most their lunch time doing

717
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:42,600
honestly?
And I really, really truly think

718
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,700
I'm not exaggerating here.
I think I genuinely speak for

719
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,000
every single teacher in this
country I would say, the average

720
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,700
teacher spends at least 50% of
their lunch hour preparing.

721
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,500
Fold are afternoon lessons
because guess what afternoon

722
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,000
lessons these days are like 2
hours long in total in the

723
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
average school, they don't just
magically happen.

724
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,500
You need to have your resources
ready to keep children

725
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:07,500
entertained and learning for two
hours.

726
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,400
It takes time, and that's for a
normal lesson.

727
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,100
Now, this is where my gears
really get ground.

728
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:23,000
Because when you're getting
ground here, son, so it's when

729
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:25,100
we have Have lessons which are
amazing.

730
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,000
But I think is I love these
lessons and I'm not taking away

731
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,300
from doing these.
I think there's a great in the

732
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,400
best experiences but art
lessons, DT lessons, cooking

733
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,700
lessons.
If you do that sort of thing

734
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,400
they they take honestly.
Usually all of your lunch hour

735
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,000
and probably a bit of time in
the morning or desperate help

736
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,200
from another adult because you
realize you haven't an hour

737
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,000
isn't enough time to prep, all
the stuff that the resources

738
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
they need.
So yeah.

739
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600
That was my little rant, but
lunch hour the fact that that's

740
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,900
not paid, which I didn't know.
By the way, I genuinely.

741
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,900
Thought that was just a paid out
of our day is, is I'm just

742
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:58,300
thinking, now, over the eight
years, how many hours of Free

743
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:00,700
Labor?
I have given in my lunch time

744
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:02,500
and it's definitely normal
expected.

745
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,500
By the way, I've also been asked
to do things in that time.

746
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,900
Many many, a times, can you undo
this as first aid?

747
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,500
Can you go ahead with this?
He comes out.

748
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,400
Can you help me prep?
This, could you go to meet that

749
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,600
confirming that parent?
Like, I didn't even think

750
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,800
anything of it, I just do those
things because I thought it was

751
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,500
my job, but I'm not paid.
No, genuine eat.

752
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:21,000
It is not part of director time.
So, and here's the thing, just

753
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
again, going into that Clause
that's in our contract.

754
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,000
There is just a professional
standard that they just tag into

755
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
the contract so that they get
away with this.

756
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,900
You have to put in the
additional amount of time, not

757
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,100
specified.
It just says adequate to do the

758
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:36,100
job.
So everything else that's just

759
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,000
expected.
But not in directed time, just

760
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,600
has to be done and it's written
there in your contract.

761
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,500
It makes it an exponential makes
an infinite contract.

762
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,300
It in any other job.
If you have to stay late until

763
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,600
9:00, you have to still not less
a nice parents evening, like

764
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Park director time, but let's
just say you have to have

765
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,600
meetings after.
Or you run over to 6 p.m. you'd

766
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,600
put a form in for overtime, that
that can't happen for.

767
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,300
There's no such thing as over
time because it's just cool.

768
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,600
Was it part of the job?
You've got to do?

769
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,400
Obviously I wouldn't be doing it
cool though.

770
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400
You've already been paid for it
then and I just don't get it.

771
00:34:07,408 --> 00:34:09,199
There's no incentive, there's no
incentive there.

772
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,199
Like, why am I going to work
till 6:00 every day?

773
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,500
If it's the same, as we work
until 4:30 and I get the job

774
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:17,199
done, still it is no
professional kind of respect, in

775
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,100
terms of our time is teachers.
I actually really deep in

776
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:22,600
thought now because you said
something interesting.

777
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,699
I don't I've just never thought
about this.

778
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,900
He's right, you said like the
average job, let's say you work

779
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:27,699
in.
Was it?

780
00:34:27,707 --> 00:34:32,000
48 weeks a year, you said 38
hours a week and you said it

781
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,500
came out to something, I'm going
to round it like 1800 hours.

782
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,400
It was around that kind of.
Yeah, it was, it was basically.

783
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,600
It was basically very, very
similar to if you add all our

784
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
extra things together it comes
out to what about 1800 is that?

785
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,900
There's a standard full-time
job.

786
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:46,800
Yeah.
Okay, cool.

787
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,500
So but I'd directed hours were
1265 ish.

788
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:52,400
Something like that?
Yes.

789
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,400
Yeah.
And so there is so I see Kind of

790
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,100
I'm having a thought now about
like, how I do understand that

791
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:01,200
then we are like technically
those directed hours are

792
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,000
actually a lot less than the
average job.

793
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,300
So it does kind of make sense
that we should do things outside

794
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,400
of those hours.
But what I'm struggling to

795
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,800
understand is one, what is the
average amount of time?

796
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,100
Teachers are really doing them
because we don't seem to have

797
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:18,400
actual figures on it, you know?
I mean, it's clearly way more

798
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,600
than this what this amount and
to why isn't there an actual

799
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,600
cap?
I don't why.

800
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Why isn't there an actual?
Okay.

801
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,000
Yeah we expect this is a minimum
but also this is a maximum

802
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,900
because, you know, well-being is
important.

803
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:32,900
I've just really confused as to
why that hasn't been put in

804
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,400
place other than not being.
So I'm genuinely I'm genuinely

805
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,900
so glad you asked because I ran
a more simplified version of.

806
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:41,700
It was just me saying because
I'm aware.

807
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,100
There's lots of numbers been
banded about that the kind of

808
00:35:44,107 --> 00:35:45,800
summary of what we've said.
So far is yes.

809
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,700
Our contract is much less.
Yes, we get 13 weeks off but

810
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:52,300
it's so intense.
During term time that we work

811
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,600
such long days and don't Really
stop that.

812
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,100
I honestly don't start.
We eat for 20 minutes maybe and

813
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:59,700
then in our break time we're
prepping something and I

814
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,700
lunchtime were prepping
something after school was sat

815
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,200
down with marking straight away.
It's so intense.

816
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,800
So, I just thought, okay, we've
broken down the hours that

817
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,400
technically we do, right?
But I just thought to myself.

818
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Let's do a really simplified
version of this calculation of

819
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,000
just taking your average teacher
from the time, they walk in the

820
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
door at school to the time they
walk out.

821
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,900
Okay.
And I think it's really fair to

822
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,800
say, I know me personally the
this isn't this isn't

823
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,400
necessarily what I do.
You because I've kind of gotten

824
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,100
to habit of coming into school
slightly later because stuff

825
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,300
might be prepped and then I
might stay later some days.

826
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:31,600
It's just it varies for
everyone.

827
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,900
But I think a really fair
average for a teacher getting in

828
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:37,900
school at 7:30 and leaving
school at 5:00.

829
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,000
A very, very Standard time.
I'd say, I think to get to get

830
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,700
your preparation done in the
morning.

831
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,300
And then also, after school, to
get all of your marketing done

832
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:47,600
because let's not forget, you
might have 90 books to Mark

833
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,800
every single day I'm on.
And some of those days would

834
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,000
include meetings and things as
well, or we adding that on top.

835
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,200
Yeah.
No, no.

836
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,200
So, Saying five is a really fair
like under estimate of, you

837
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,300
know, that's an average time you
might leave because there will

838
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,800
be days, we'll leave at 5:30
5:45, they'll be some days where

839
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,000
you might be able to leave at
4:30.

840
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,500
But I think a fair average is
five o'clock.

841
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:07,600
I think that's really important
as well because I just I don't

842
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,000
want to come across like, we're
exaggerating and make it all

843
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,500
look as teachers we do so much.
I think it's really important

844
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:15,200
the listeners understand that,
that is a very modest.

845
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,400
I think, average of What
teachers do because I know that

846
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,900
there have been many years in my
career that I did considerably

847
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,900
longer days and that.
And also like I said years other

848
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:25,500
years where My work days were
completely different to that but

849
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:26,700
that's a good average.
Yes sir.

850
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:28,900
That's the point I don't exactly
right.

851
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,800
What you just said you did.
We're not saying oh well life so

852
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,000
hard.
We're just trying to get people

853
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000
to understand the actual hours
and the work.

854
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,500
We do whom who don't know and
aren't even horrible about it,

855
00:37:38,508 --> 00:37:40,800
they just unaware, they just
don't quite get it, they don't

856
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,200
see it.
So yeah, 7:30 till 5:00 that's

857
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,900
nine and a half hours, right?
What I am going to do and I'm

858
00:37:46,908 --> 00:37:49,600
being perfectly transparent.
Here is I'm just counting the

859
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,600
lunch hour because I promise you
like you said 99% of teachers.

860
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,300
More than half their lunchtime
going for it.

861
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:58,100
Ok, so let's call it nine and a
half hours and we'll take a bit

862
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,400
back because most teachers work
longer than these hours every

863
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,400
day.
So let's just call it nine and a

864
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,500
half hours out of your home.
When you get to school and you

865
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:09,500
leave every single day, that's
47 hours and a half every week.

866
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,800
So think of a standard full-time
job, just under 40, we're

867
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,900
working just under 50, it's just
way more intense.

868
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:17,400
Okay?
That by the way is from getting

869
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,100
into school to leaving school.
So if we extrapolate that out

870
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,100
for 39 weeks because obviously,
we don't work for E 2 weeks.

871
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,500
We work for 39 weeks.
Yeah.

872
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,300
And we then multiply that out.
We get to the magic number 1850

873
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,000
and if we compare that to the
standard full-time job of 38

874
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,300
hours a week for 48 weeks,
that's 1830 roughly.

875
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,800
So they're very very close,
they're the same, it's just that

876
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,700
we're working more intensely for
six weeks.

877
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:47,200
Then we got a whole week off
more intensity for six weeks.

878
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,700
Then we might get six weeks off
and it goes for the year, okay?

879
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,400
But you may have noticed
something about my calculations.

880
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,600
I've dived was about to Painting
because I think I know you're

881
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,200
going to say, obviously, that
the burning thing here is and I

882
00:38:57,207 --> 00:39:00,000
know teachers at home will be
like you've not included this

883
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:05,300
huge part of the job, which is
every weekend in term time.

884
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:07,000
Like I try to be really good at
a hard time.

885
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,400
I'm not even going to, this is
another level loads of teachers.

886
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,300
I know most teachers that I know
work so much over half turn

887
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:15,300
brakes as well.
I'm not going to close that.

888
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,200
But honestly, weekends every
teacher puts in work that we

889
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,800
can, whether it's for hours on a
Sunday morning where it's all

890
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,700
day Saturday.
Whether it's a bitter cup of our

891
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:28,900
Sunday night, you can't, you
just cannot plan a week of

892
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:32,900
lessons inside your two hours of
PPA with the other 65 jobs that

893
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:34,000
you have to do in that two
hours.

894
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:37,000
It's not possible, but if you're
weakened has to go to it.

895
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,800
So the fact that you haven't
included that in your kind of

896
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,300
total there of 1800 hours just
shows that that is a very very

897
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,800
modest number and it's almost
definitely more than that.

898
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,500
What I really want to just drive
home now and thank you so much

899
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,300
for listening to us but this
long because we are really

900
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,300
passionate about just showing
Information.

901
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,500
Because it's just not
understood.

902
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:58,800
And I think the point to
summarize, what we're saying is

903
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,300
just the act of going to school
teaching, delivering lessons

904
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:04,600
doing everything involved in our
day.

905
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,500
And going home is already a
full-time job across the whole

906
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:09,800
year.
It's just more intense.

907
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:13,400
We also then have this
expectation, built into our

908
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,600
contract to do things outside of
that, which happens at our

909
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,600
weekends in term time, the ride
is wild, there are business

910
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,500
owners out there who say they
work 80 hours a week.

911
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,500
More power to you.
Unbelievable.

912
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,300
So, hard-working deserve
everything, you get, we're not

913
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,500
comparing.
We're not saying, oh, I'll be

914
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:32,900
the best or oh, okay, so hard
done by.

915
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:35,600
No, we get a decent wage, you
know, we want to keep up with

916
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,700
inflation.
But we are aware that people

917
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,000
work a lot more than us and
actually end up getting paid

918
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
less as well.
It's not a comparison.

919
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,900
It's just information and
hopefully, you know, a little

920
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:48,500
bit more now about the actual
workload as a teacher.

921
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,100
And if you look at the title of
our podcast, how much the

922
00:40:51,107 --> 00:40:54,400
teachers actually work, well,
what Are they than well

923
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,400
hopefully the answer that
question and the answer is we

924
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,000
have no idea but somewhere
around 1800 to 7,000 hours a

925
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,500
year.
We've just spent half an hour

926
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,000
explaining something and to are
not answer the question.

927
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,000
Yeah I think I think what the
bit that we've answered his

928
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,900
teachers work, a normal amount
if not more, simple.

929
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:13,700
As that, just condensed across
the year.

930
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,200
Bish bash, Bosh.
Now we're all informed can move

931
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,300
on All right, I've got a quick
one for you.

932
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:23,300
Hey them, a little story that
got sent in to me by one of my

933
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:27,100
friends who listen to the
podcast and I'm going to frame

934
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:31,600
this as a game, okay?
Okay, so I'm going to read you a

935
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,100
word and way to tell me what
this word means, okay?

936
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,500
Because we all know you're
you're brilliant and you know

937
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,100
I'm picking root words and
stuff.

938
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,000
The word is I'm going to take
the word first.

939
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,900
Give me a force.
The word is the room.

940
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,100
Vrroom, vrroom.
I thought you're gonna embarrass

941
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:52,200
me.
I don't know.

942
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,100
Should I know what this word is?
Am I supposed to know?

943
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,100
He's up?
Eat enemies.

944
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:57,800
Not heard of the ride but room.
No.

945
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Is it, is it something to do for
room?

946
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,500
But I don't know, I feel like an
idiot.

947
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:08,100
Now, right, let me read you a
sentence and we can what we can

948
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,900
do, Hayden, we can read Around
the word, okay?

949
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,300
I can wait around the word,
ready?

950
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,300
Yeah, I found him dozing
comfortably by the barroom

951
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,800
stove.
Of the old dilapidated Tavern.

952
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,700
So a color, some sort of them
comfortably by the barroom

953
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:28,700
stove, or Warm Spice.
This is so this what exactly

954
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,100
what you're doing right now.
Yeah, is what my friend was

955
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:32,500
days?
Have watts per room?

956
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,600
I don't understand what the room
is barroom.

957
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:46,500
Like be a one word and he said,
he went to Google and you're

958
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,000
such a room.
Ho, it's It's a room where you

959
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
can get drinks, that sounds like
a fantastic.

960
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,300
I still didn't click, if not
click at all.

961
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,400
So I read in the next patient.
Wait a minute.

962
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,100
That's exactly what I did with
under.

963
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:58,900
Tell your friend.
He's very under thinking this.

964
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,600
Yeah, that's funny.
See, it was really funny, by the

965
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,700
way, what was really funny about
this was?

966
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:08,000
I just kept reading, cuz he sent
me the paragraph and it goes on

967
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
to explain that this bloke.
You find is a bald man.

968
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,900
I was like, it's in the room.
It's so is understand.

969
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,000
Us is a link back to me.
Everything comes back.

970
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:21,800
So on the topic of, you know, me
being a fool, I'm going to drag

971
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,600
you into this now because I've
actually got a story, I

972
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,600
Confessions of a teacher and the
teacher happens to be me and

973
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,500
kind of you because you're
involved in this story.

974
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:29,900
Just don't know what it is.
Okay, I'm looking forward to

975
00:43:29,908 --> 00:43:30,500
this.
Remember.

976
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,000
Okay, so I remember this earlier
right at it just I just like

977
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,500
creasing up, you know what you
do and you just remember

978
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:40,000
something random and it is a
memory from maybe second year of

979
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,200
teaching perhaps like well you
know we all been would have been

980
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,700
my third year your second year
and we worked at the same school

981
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,500
and both of us I'm going to
confess this right now because

982
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:51,300
I'm not afraid.
I think a lot of other people

983
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,600
will share this.
We hate doing displays.

984
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,200
Oh, don't get me, honestly, lick
that.

985
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,100
Let's look back to direct the
time.

986
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,200
Shall we should have mentioned
this?

987
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,400
Because, because depending on
the school year, in displays may

988
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,900
be the bane of your life, or
they may be something that's

989
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:08,700
just kind of quite casual and
you just update them every now

990
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,800
and then but displays for non
teachers, are those things in

991
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,600
the classrooms with this stupid
borders?

992
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,100
They look the same.
Since about nineteen sixty, the

993
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:18,100
color backgrounds and put stuff
on the display.

994
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:22,600
Is and they look good.
No one looks at them but they

995
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,900
look good.
They make the classroom that

996
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:26,200
bright anyway.
Then I quickly discovered that

997
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,300
that we absolutely hate doing
that job is it's like this

998
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,500
honest on top of all the other
jobs we have to do this.

999
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:33,800
It's the yeah it's like a little
pile.

1000
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:35,600
I've got I've got an option
here.

1001
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:38,800
I can either sit and mark the 60
books that I need to Mark every

1002
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,900
day or I could go and update
that display in a corridor that

1003
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:45,300
three people.
Look at every mmmm, which one

1004
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:48,800
should I do?
So one year did And I, you know,

1005
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,300
being rebellious after making
our city stickers as well, that

1006
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:54,500
you hear from our kind of our
podcast episodes, we just

1007
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:59,600
thought it would be funny.
A fun game to see how long leave

1008
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:04,100
this one particular backing up
on this display and it was it

1009
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:05,900
wasn't just any old back.
It wasn't just like a yellow

1010
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:08,600
color or something, it wasn't
underwater theme.

1011
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,000
So how many topics across the
year?

1012
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,200
Can we somehow make some tenuous
lead to an underwater background

1013
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,600
theme?
So that we never I have to

1014
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,800
change it because we really got
me bothered.

1015
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,800
Well yeah, I remember this
because it started off strong.

1016
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,900
Right water cycle.
Yes.

1017
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,400
A big ocean, nice one.
But we also did Egypt, and I

1018
00:45:29,408 --> 00:45:31,200
remember thinking, oh, River
Nile.

1019
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,100
And we also did living organisms
and food chains.

1020
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:38,100
Like cool.
What's the food chain?

1021
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:39,700
But you did go buy into the
woods.

1022
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:42,400
I'm sure it fell down when we
had to do a topic on like

1023
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,100
volcanoes and earthquakes and
stuff.

1024
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:47,900
And I memorize being like
tsunamis.

1025
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,800
Yes natural disaster.
It was like, it was tectonic

1026
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,000
plates, wasn't it?
So it did link.

1027
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,700
Yeah, but our main focus was not
inhabited like half a lesson on

1028
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:01,400
tsunamis cool.
So now, he's a doll.

1029
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,000
Wait, let's get up and we kept
it up there for a staggering.

1030
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,000
It was more than a year.
Actually, we definitely more

1031
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,700
than a year.
We did a whole year and then we

1032
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,700
just kind of continue to use it
for a bit longer and the joke

1033
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:13,700
sort of run out eventually when
someone was like, yeah you going

1034
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,500
to change?
That's this place I guess.

1035
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,800
Tell you what those it really
didn't it just show that no one

1036
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,300
of our whole year.
No one noticed not a single

1037
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,800
child or adult in our school
remotely noticed I commented on

1038
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,100
it, just highlighting the
enormous waste of time.

1039
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:30,900
It would have been to change
every two months.

1040
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,100
Yeah.
It's just it's just look I know

1041
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,000
that it's lovely.
Like I like this plane

1042
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,200
children's work actually.
That's one thing I do like doing

1043
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,100
because it can become like a bit
of a prize and a bit of a you

1044
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:43,900
know ambition for them to get
their work on the wall and

1045
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:45,800
stuff.
But I don't even do that as much

1046
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,000
as I used to because honestly
truly Lee when I'm in the

1047
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,100
classroom I'm just focused on
delivering that lesson and

1048
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:54,500
delivering it as best I can for
the children and they get the

1049
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:55,800
support they can in front of
them, do you know?

1050
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,000
I mean it's lovely and as some
classrooms genuinely I are

1051
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,700
completely get that they look
unreal and they're really nice

1052
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:07,000
places to be in but it just
doesn't always actually directly

1053
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,500
linked to their learning and
their progress.

1054
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,800
And I think we're one of the
worst professions in the world

1055
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:14,500
for doing stuff because it's
what we do, you know, rather

1056
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,400
than because it's, you know,
clinically proven or toxin

1057
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,200
there's a Line is take box and
again, right?

1058
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,600
So I I'm really curious to know
that about the people listening,

1059
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,900
particularly, obviously if
you're working in a school, what

1060
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,900
you think about this?
Because I realized a couple of

1061
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:33,700
years, I guess into my career,
that this tick boxing exercise

1062
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:36,400
of having displays which was
just really standard practice.

1063
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,600
I didn't really question it
before.

1064
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,500
Then I was like, yeah, of course
you do you have to have

1065
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,200
displays, you have to, you know,
make the children engage with

1066
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,900
these displays in the classroom
show.

1067
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,100
A bit of their work have really
fun displays as well to aren't?

1068
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,000
They work.
Just things to get them engaged.

1069
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,400
And I realized after a couple of
years that it absolutely should

1070
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,400
just be a preference because I
think I personally think that

1071
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,800
displays are just a tool that
you may or may not remotely use.

1072
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,200
And because I know some teachers
who use a displays religiously

1073
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000
and they're really effective,
they have working walls that

1074
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,700
they change all the time.
They display is like another

1075
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:14,100
whiteboard to them and that's
the way they use it and I know

1076
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,600
and I'm like that's you know,
always amazed by that.

1077
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,500
But I feel like that what
Happens.

1078
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:20,400
What if it gets extrapolated
from that is then.

1079
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,400
Okay, cool air has to do that
now and it's like our but that's

1080
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,000
not my teaching style.
Everyone's got to so well, no,

1081
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,200
because I will do.
I will get that learning across.

1082
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,200
I just happen to have put that
time and effort into this other

1083
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,500
thing by the way.
And I'm going to use that as my

1084
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:35,400
teaching tool and I'm going to
display these things, a

1085
00:48:35,408 --> 00:48:36,900
different way.
So I don't know if people agree

1086
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:38,700
of that, I've done.
If I'm just like convincing

1087
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:40,800
myself because I don't want to
do an extra job.

1088
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,100
Now, I think the thing that
listen look that's part of it

1089
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,900
right, when we've got a list of
15 jobs, we have to prioritize

1090
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,200
and and it in In terms of my own
teaching style and your teaching

1091
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,200
style, that's never going to be
top of the list is it?

1092
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,100
But what might be top of the
list is going to get a new blow

1093
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,200
dart from the blow dart shot
because you really good option

1094
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:04,900
to display the kids.
New luck mr.

1095
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:06,300
Stevens.
Hello mr.

1096
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:07,700
Stephens, can you show me?
Where?

1097
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:09,400
All of your key vocab is for the
children.

1098
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Should look at.
No, sorry, exactly a jungle

1099
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,500
display left but I tell you
what, they back to the serious

1100
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:20,700
point, I You a lot of things
like like you know, where people

1101
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:23,000
do have that key vocab and
working walls and stuff, like

1102
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,600
they display key stuff for their
learning.

1103
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,800
I'd rather put down a little
sheet and they can stay elastic

1104
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,900
in there because a flap.
It's like cool.

1105
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,800
Let's look, let's use our little
like key knowledge vocab she or

1106
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,400
something.
That just happens to be my, kind

1107
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,500
of way of sticking key things
that they have access to all the

1108
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,400
time.
Another teachers, do it a

1109
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,900
different way and I'm just sort
of like, can we, can we just not

1110
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:44,700
make this crazy expectation of
spending hours and hours and

1111
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,300
hours and hours, doing displays
because it just looks nice from

1112
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:50,000
one perspective.
Of basically an outsider looking

1113
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,300
in.
It doesn't have any meaning any

1114
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,100
contacts unless you really delve
deep into.

1115
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,000
Okay.
How is it use though?

1116
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,700
Well, if you're a teacher, let
us know what you think.

1117
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:58,500
And if you're not, thank you for
listening to them.

1118
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:01,800
Yeah, I hope you're not alone
without.

1119
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,800
Yeah, I would make it as nice a
there.

1120
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,400
No, they do, they do fascinate
me.

1121
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,700
I find these people.
Amazing who I've had.

1122
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:12,000
People message me saying I
didn't know that about teaching

1123
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,700
and I love the idea of
non-teachers just just enjoying

1124
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:17,200
this podcast because it's just
you know, as to talking about

1125
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,000
our experiences, Having a bit of
fun.

1126
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,900
I still don't get it by the way.
So if you're listening you're

1127
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:22,500
not a teacher, don't understand
why here.

1128
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,200
I really, really appreciate it
but just I do understand where

1129
00:50:25,207 --> 00:50:27,800
here Dylan because they're here
to share our reals, they're here

1130
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,800
to go to Instagram and help us
promote organic growth as we've

1131
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,200
been saying organic organic
growth right from me pestering

1132
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,800
you constantly.
So thank you guys.

1133
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,700
I love you.
But Dylan, we're going to move

1134
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:46,000
on to a toxic story.
Just the one this week for

1135
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,200
school so you can get your tea
stuck into this.

1136
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,800
I know you like to get.
Is it going to get me angry?

1137
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,300
Oh yeah, you're gonna get nice
and riled.

1138
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,100
Okay.
And actually, it thinks really

1139
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,200
well Hearts back to our
conversation earlier and you'll

1140
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,300
see why, okay?
So someone recently wrote on a

1141
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,200
forum talking about PPA, which
is something we've obviously

1142
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,700
mentioned.
And essentially, their problem

1143
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:09,000
was this, they haven't had PPA
in three months.

1144
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:12,500
And PPA is that planning
preparation assessment time for

1145
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,700
those listening to you.
Today, it is a right for

1146
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:18,600
teachers to have 10% of their
time a week as BPA, they haven't

1147
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,300
had PPA for three months with no
particular, good excuses.

1148
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:26,100
Other then we just haven't got
the this off cover to get you

1149
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:29,300
out of class.
No, no, I'm next, no, not not

1150
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,700
remotely acceptable, visit.
Well, they're asking what the

1151
00:51:31,707 --> 00:51:33,200
legal requirement was.
So that was that kind of

1152
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,500
question to this forum that
it's, you know, I I'm going to

1153
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:39,400
get annoyed again.
Hey, I thought we'd come down

1154
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,900
I'm going to get riled up again
because it's not even a

1155
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:45,100
question.
Like, how could you hurt?

1156
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:46,800
How could you have a kind of
speak?

1157
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:51,300
Would you have the brass tacks
to say now to like, what do you

1158
00:51:51,300 --> 00:51:53,900
mean now?
It's not, it's not an option.

1159
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:55,600
It's not something we do to be
kind.

1160
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,200
It's built in because guess
what, like we just spent half an

1161
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,500
hour telling you all the actual
job itself doesn't fit into our

1162
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,600
time and we get a measly two
hours as a token.

1163
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:07,500
You know, oh, look, maybe you
could sort out your medium term

1164
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:09,300
plan and go off at home and
still do all your planning.

1165
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,200
And you know, even get in the
token like in terms of the

1166
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,400
Garrity, you just get that.
You get it and if you ever don't

1167
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,000
get it, then, you know, between
you and your people in Charger

1168
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,900
SRT, you sought out, payback
time because it's not even a

1169
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,000
question.
Like this guy's going to come,

1170
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:27,900
you know, they're going to end
up having to do report soon.

1171
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,500
There's parents evening coming
up when and I have to be prepped

1172
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:32,700
for that, do you think we just
turn up at parents evening and

1173
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:34,100
just gonna die?
Yeah, you're right.

1174
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,200
When two reports get written
just by the magic fairy while

1175
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,000
some teaching maths.
There's no there isn't Santa is

1176
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,300
no question.
They need that time and within

1177
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:44,700
that sort of form is really
interesting to us.

1178
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,800
Kind of reading it or people's
feedback and things like that

1179
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:50,700
that they sort of went on to say
that you know that essentially

1180
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:52,900
they're having to get the unions
involved because the school's

1181
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:57,200
not doing anything and they're
facing like disciplinary actions

1182
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,800
for not getting stuff done.
Like the cheek of facing

1183
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,600
disciplinary action from the
school for not getting these

1184
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,600
extra things.
Done the stuff that gets done in

1185
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,300
PBA and their point is, but I've
not been given any people.

1186
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,000
PA.
So I'm not just going to do it

1187
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,400
even more in my own time.
You like, you don't, you said

1188
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,600
it's a token amount of time.
Anyway, so the least you can do

1189
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,500
is give me the.
Give a give us that time and so

1190
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,800
I'm I'm with that person.
I stand with that person.

1191
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,800
Don't do it.
Don't do it, make it a standard,

1192
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,500
make a point because actually
no, we, you know, we do a lot.

1193
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:29,400
We do a lot of free stuff.
You don't need to do this extra

1194
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,000
two hours a week, do you know,
you are entitled to it.

1195
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,200
And by the way, that's not just
two hours, you know, contact

1196
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,000
time, that's two hours of
teaching, two hours of planning,

1197
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,300
two hours of marking, You know,
all compounds show, uh, that,

1198
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,600
that same, that's it.
When we have PPA, you know, the

1199
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,500
whole point is that, you know,
we kind of have a bit more time

1200
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:48,700
after because we've not got
afternoon lesson to Mark, we've

1201
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:51,000
got maps in English, the plan
and Mark, but you know, you're

1202
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,400
saving on all of those things,
it kind of compounds and it's

1203
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,200
not even a question, you know.
It's that classic thing we said

1204
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,300
earlier, when we had the podcast
about toxic schools, when people

1205
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:04,800
at the top, just lie or just
pretend something's, okay?

1206
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,500
Because they're in a position of
power and it's not, it's not a,

1207
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:10,400
it's not a game.
You don't get to choose.

1208
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,400
When you're in charge of
someone, it's a really high

1209
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,000
pressure job.
It's a really, really high

1210
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,400
pressure job.
But you cannot just pick and

1211
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,900
choose what your staff are
entitled to that.

1212
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:21,500
That's just, not the way it
goes.

1213
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,500
I think they're gonna be in
trouble.

1214
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,800
I'll say that, I don't think the
school's got a leg to stand on

1215
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,600
if they get the uni involves
unions involved as a really good

1216
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,100
one.
I know it's an annoying one but

1217
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,600
it proper proper.
Good story of just.

1218
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Wow, you know, you have to hear
that every now and then to

1219
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,700
remember there are some schools
where this really does happen,

1220
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,300
you know, count ourselves lucky
foot.

1221
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:40,900
Keep away are.
All right.

1222
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:43,300
Then to finish off couple of
stories from the classroom.

1223
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,100
Like I said earlier, guys, you
make this podcast so if you

1224
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,400
follow us on Instagram, send us
a message.

1225
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:50,700
We will reply.
Send us an email with your

1226
00:54:50,700 --> 00:54:55,800
stories because they really do
just make this podcast so good

1227
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,300
when we get to read these
stories out to you guys.

1228
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:58,800
So a couple of short ones this
week Hayden.

1229
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:02,700
Let me start off with one of
them and I want to give a kind

1230
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:04,800
of like a bit of context here to
everyone who's listening, there

1231
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,700
are making these puppets,
basically it's to do with

1232
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,100
showing right because one of the
things we do in our curriculum

1233
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:12,300
is He's sewing DT, they're
making these puppets.

1234
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,700
The demon walked in afterwards
and said, we're having a look at

1235
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:18,600
what the children have made and
picking them up.

1236
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,600
And I look Dreadful and hello,
my good.

1237
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,000
Look at this one, this is
unreal.

1238
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,100
Look at that.
This one's didn't even look like

1239
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,000
a person, this is crazy.
And then this teacher who wrote

1240
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,000
into a said that, they picked up
another one from the table and I

1241
00:55:30,008 --> 00:55:34,700
said, oh my God, this is the
worst one that was look at this

1242
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:35,900
one.
Which what?

1243
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,900
Who did that?
Was this person listening and

1244
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:41,600
then the The class time around.
I said Ah that's my one I made

1245
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:49,100
before the lesson.
No it was the teachers Dreadful.

1246
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:52,100
Oh my God, I do so read.
That was me.

1247
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,400
Just again the context of today.
So like we work so hard for our

1248
00:55:57,408 --> 00:56:00,200
lunch hour, this teacher.
It's a free lunch hour.

1249
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,500
Making this up.
It, I'm gonna model it to the

1250
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:10,000
children.
Anyway, out that No, this is the

1251
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,200
fact they've been going through
the board just like, like just

1252
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,900
to pick up and go.
Why is that?

1253
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:22,900
Why is this was for that.
I think it was very much just

1254
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,000
like it's lovely, it's
Hampshire.

1255
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:32,200
It's right now, it's joking.
And the worst thing is if

1256
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,800
they're listening to this
podcast, they just found out.

1257
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,400
They didn't even get paid for
that lunch work on.

1258
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,900
Wow, how to rub salt in the
wound?

1259
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,800
What's your second story?
I've got a quick one here again.

1260
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,700
This is from a person who worked
in a school so they were a

1261
00:56:47,707 --> 00:56:50,200
governor and a TA and they
worked in a school in various

1262
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,800
roles.
You know, there's classic people

1263
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,400
who again, just make the school
run.

1264
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,300
Just do all these jobs that need
to get done anyway.

1265
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,000
So I'm going to read it as she
sent this in to us.

1266
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,300
I went into school once with my
hair done and a few kids said

1267
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:03,600
they really liked it.
That's always nice.

1268
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Isn't it when you walk in and
you kind of dance my kids, do

1269
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,600
it.
Whenever I trim my beard, I all

1270
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,900
are cut.
Bend down and write down draft

1271
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:14,500
on your chest.
I was surprised today.

1272
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:19,100
Looking good, that's medically.
All right, come on.

1273
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,900
Yeah, okay so I use Head and
Shoulders on my head and my

1274
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:26,400
shoulders.
So anyway getting that base, in

1275
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,900
the kids is nice and it because
you know, 95% of children there

1276
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:32,200
will just be lovely.
Yeah, but this one kid just said

1277
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,800
I look like a man this one was a
man so she got I got okay?

1278
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,000
Thank you kids, lovely nicest
thing.

1279
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:40,500
Is this a storm with their brand
new haircuts?

1280
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:44,600
Walking in any way this?
This is this teacher was on

1281
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,000
playground Duty.
And that day the same kid had

1282
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,300
been saying something to other
children and other girl about

1283
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:52,500
her hair being Tatty.
So it's kids getting off.

1284
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:54,300
Someone about are to go around
and open at all.

1285
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:58,800
There's and the girl obviously
got really upset, who got told

1286
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,700
that her Fringe was Tatty and
she came over to me, crying the

1287
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:05,100
teacher.
And I just said to her tell her

1288
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:10,300
she needs a French cup.
So clearly It's still feeling,

1289
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:12,900
you know, anger at the fact,
this child had come in and

1290
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,300
dissed her hair.
She said to the kid, don't I'll

1291
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:17,700
just go and tell her she needs
her Fringe.

1292
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:23,100
Carl, no, not trying to Defuse
The Situation already just told

1293
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:25,600
child to go.
She's just using Charla's our

1294
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,400
vessel.
Basically to impart her own

1295
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,200
anger and oh got go tennis L
fridge.

1296
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,300
Cut anyway, the child literally
did that then she kind of very

1297
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:37,900
quickly realized wants to try to
run away, maybe I shouldn't have

1298
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:40,200
done that so she does know.
No more than tell the kid that I

1299
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,600
said, she needs a friend.
Carlos Miss said, were you need

1300
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,300
your friends cut off the other
kid?

1301
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:47,900
Fold her arms and just glared at
the at me.

1302
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,400
So just connectivity across the
playground.

1303
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,200
I was waiting to be called in
the next day, but it never

1304
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,000
happened.
All that happened.

1305
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,500
From that day was The Fringe kid
just put Clips in from that day.

1306
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,000
No gave her a complex.
Well, that's funny, just went

1307
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,100
home.
Went home took Mom, Mom can, can

1308
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:08,900
you buy me some hair clips,
please?

1309
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:12,100
Because out why?
It turns out that I've got a

1310
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,500
team, an Fringe, excuse me
around.

1311
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:20,400
All right insults.
Oh I thought that was brilliant.

1312
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,100
Just that, you know, letting
them a step every now and then

1313
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,400
because you know, children can
say stuff to you just have to

1314
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,700
brush it off, they're just
children.

1315
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,100
But sometimes they say something
like you've got, is it been

1316
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,200
snowy?
Got dandruff on you and five

1317
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,800
years.
Like, well, if Hayden said that

1318
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,800
to me, I'd be coming right back
with ritalin.

1319
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,300
Yeah, one of my favorite in.
Insults about me because like I

1320
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:42,900
said you know we try to teach
the kids humility we laugh at

1321
00:59:42,908 --> 00:59:45,000
jokes as long as I don't get
inappropriate, I think in it.

1322
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,600
Don't cross a line one of my
favorite insult because usually

1323
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:48,800
it's just something about me
being bald.

1324
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,600
It's not that funny.
I just uh, pretend to laugh.

1325
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,800
Oh yeah, I heard that joke.
Many times best one to me.

1326
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,400
Was there looking at me?
Intently, it's happened twice,

1327
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,400
actually funny enough.
So intently now, like, where

1328
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:06,400
does your forehead stop then?
And then did this action, right?

1329
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:08,900
Even if you're not watching a
real, you can imagine this well,

1330
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,300
Everything, they're on their
forehead, like just stop their

1331
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:15,100
nose and they kind of moved
upwards to show the sort of

1332
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:17,100
normal stretch your forehead.
But then obviously, I don't have

1333
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:19,700
any hair, so they just carried
on.

1334
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:21,800
And then they went all the way
down their back down to their

1335
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,400
feet up around the front of
their body and went back to

1336
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:31,600
their nose ago.
But uh That's so funny.

1337
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,500
I couldn't even pretend to be
annoyed at the fact that you

1338
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:36,900
insulted.
Me terribly, my forehead being

1339
01:00:36,900 --> 01:00:38,800
the entire circumference of my
body.

1340
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:45,500
Yeah, crack me up.
Turns out I'm 100% for Eddie.

1341
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:52,100
Yeah, they do just cut through.
Sometimes.

1342
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,300
I've had a similar one, but, but
my favorite one ever, was just a

1343
01:00:55,308 --> 01:00:57,400
really blunt one.
It was just really fun and I

1344
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,000
just didn't know what to say.
I just didn't know what to say,

1345
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,200
it's all this child.
Again, I was helping this child

1346
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:05,900
and I could kind of just tell
immediately that, you know, you

1347
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:07,200
can just tell.
They're just looking at you,

1348
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:08,500
right?
Not listening to me, helping

1349
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:10,800
them at all.
Just like, kind of Zone down, is

1350
01:01:10,808 --> 01:01:13,400
she staring?
At me, I again, not my chest.

1351
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,200
This time I face staring at my
face and I don't touch him say

1352
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,500
so, do you understand if she
just went?

1353
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:27,600
Why do you have spots?
And I do you say to that.

1354
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,500
I just know I just know a part
of you was actually offended

1355
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:34,100
that that I just know it.
Well it's not you know one

1356
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:37,700
someone just to say that you
like and so my response, my

1357
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:41,000
response.
My response was literally just,

1358
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:46,700
oh, I don't know.
Once on tear rolling down your

1359
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:48,400
eye but another another one
right of.

1360
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,800
Do you think about kids picking
out the or spots?

1361
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,000
Like just so beautiful but I
didn't realize it.

1362
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,000
I was anyone that was sure.
Understand this if you don't

1363
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,100
wear shirts very often, you
might not.

1364
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:01,300
But obviously we were sure
pretty much every day and

1365
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:04,000
obviously there's buttons going
down and there's gaps in between

1366
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,100
the buttons, right?
So, you know, I'm 30 now.

1367
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,300
All right, I'm a little bit
heavier than I was when I

1368
01:02:09,308 --> 01:02:11,400
started my teaching career.
I got a bit more on belly, all

1369
01:02:11,408 --> 01:02:13,400
right and but you haven't
changed it.

1370
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,900
You haven't changed your shirt,
77 years old.

1371
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,100
So I remember one time I did, I
just didn't realize but one of

1372
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:22,800
the buttons had come undone like
kind of near my belly button.

1373
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,700
So a bit of my belly was just it
was just more.

1374
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,000
Or visit was saying and I was
just bending over just trying to

1375
01:02:28,008 --> 01:02:31,400
help a kid and I was just
staring at me with disgust and

1376
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,900
then just like the pointed.
Just like that is just pointed

1377
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:36,600
at me and I look down.
And I immediately felt really

1378
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:37,800
embarrassed.
I don't know why.

1379
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,800
It was like, it's one button
undone and it's slightly, you

1380
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,200
can slightly see.
My belly hair was just so

1381
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,500
embarrassed and that kid, what
did they didn't go?

1382
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:48,500
Almost seems just so, you know,
when your button is undone, you

1383
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:50,800
might, you know, that in the
nice about I like I'd say to you

1384
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:56,600
on your buttons under they just
uh, Like pretty and now I feel

1385
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:57,500
self-conscious.
Thank you.

1386
01:02:57,500 --> 01:02:59,700
I was, I was really enjoying
that story and I truly believed

1387
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:01,300
it.
Until you said, if I had my

1388
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:02,800
button undone, you would just go
hotel.

1389
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,200
If that's true.
I would not know you would get

1390
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,100
your phone out film.
Yeah.

1391
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:15,400
Okay.
So we are at the end of this

1392
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,200
week's podcast, I like by the
way Hayden.

1393
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,100
How you know, it kind of
evolved.

1394
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:22,100
I think one episode we said
extended episode and it was like

1395
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:26,200
an hour and 15 and now it's just
every episode is an extended

1396
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,800
episode.
But again, you guys seemed to

1397
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,800
enjoy it.
You guys seem to like it and

1398
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,500
jokes aside, I know we joke, a
customers is to give us a

1399
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:37,500
reviews and stuff but genuinely
you really motivate us to

1400
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:39,600
actually come back every week
and keep doing this because we

1401
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,600
absolutely love this.
We'd be doing this to two

1402
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,200
people.
And it was just our parents

1403
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,700
were, would have been really
coming here?

1404
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:47,100
We stand to it yet.
Literally be listening to again

1405
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:50,000
after, but the fact that so many
of you are getting in touch of

1406
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,500
us are following us are giving
us the ratings are following and

1407
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:56,600
I, of course, sharing the reels.
I will keep saying it, but but

1408
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,300
it's just, it's so nice.
And I want to say thank you to

1409
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:03,900
you guys for doing that because
it's given us a little boost.

1410
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:05,400
Doesn't Hayden.
Yeah, nice.

1411
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,000
Nice morale boost.
Absolutely loving it.

1412
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,600
So yeah, massive thank-you from
the both of us.

1413
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,800
One quick note, those of you who
keep texting, Myself and Hayden

1414
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,100
every week asking about the
pretty stick story.

1415
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,700
Mmm, we've got some good news
and some bad news, okay?

1416
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,000
The good news, is the pretty
stick story will be in your ear

1417
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,400
holes very soon.
Yeah, the bad news is, we don't

1418
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:28,700
know when see you next time.