Ep 77: 23 Things That Should NOT Be Expected From Teachers: Displays, Organising Trips & Orders

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Sleep Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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My name is Hayden.
Right.

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OK, straight in, shall we?
For the listeners, yeah.

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OK, so Hayden is drinking a
drink right now.

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If you're watching, you'll be
able to see.

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But I've got a bone to pick
because 5 seconds before we

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started this podcast, Hayden's
walked in with drinks for us.

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Do you want to drink, Dylan?
Yeah.

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Yeah, I'll have a drink, please,
mate.

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Thank you.
Went downstairs.

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He's come up with two drinks.
OK.

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He's got me a glass of water.
Fine.

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I'm happy with water.
And I've got nothing against

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water.
Very freshly and lovely.

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Nice for when Aiden's talking I
can just take a sip, but he's

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come up with his own luscious
red smoothie made of.

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Berries and it just looks
delicious.

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Succulent Berry smoothie.
And I tell you what, don't.

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Worry mate, I don't want it.
It's.

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Delicious.
That's funny.

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I'll tell you what, Dylan, I've
got a bone to pick with you.

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Actually, I'm going to retort
this.

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So this morning, everybody,
Dylan and I were doing separate

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things because we don't actually
live together.

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We see each other a lot.
But you know, he was out having

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some physio because he's old and
I was at my mum having a shower

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'cause I don't have a bathroom
right now so.

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What's too unbelievable?
So really great.

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What else would you be doing at
half 7:00 on Friday?

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No, I know.
So we agreed we'll meet at mine

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at 9 and and on the way back
from my mums I thought go to the

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go to the shop and get a bacon
roll.

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I thought Joe would, you know
who would love a bacon?

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My first thought here was Joe
would love a bacon roll.

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I reckon Dylan would.
So I bought Dylan a bacon roll

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and when he got to mine he was
like, oh, that's funny because I

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also went to the shop on my way
to yours and got a bacon roll

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but didn't get one for me.
So it's just, I think that

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summarises.
That's a nice sort of analogy,

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isn't it, for the way we think.
Who's the nice one?

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No, look, you know, I was
actually being really nice

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because I know you're trying to
cut back on sugar and stuff.

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And I thought, yeah, a very
salty, do sugar, really salty

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bacon roll.
He won't want that.

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No.
So what actually ended up

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happening was between us, we had
three rolls of bacon.

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We did.
I had the one I bought.

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You had the one you bought and
the second one you bought.

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I think it's in a bin.
No, it's that sat downstairs

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cold, not being eaten.
But I tell you what, I'm going

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to enjoy my delicious smoothie.
It's kind of a new OK anyway,

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it's been one week back for
English teachers.

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Well, teachers in England rather
than English teachers.

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How have you found your first
week back?

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Because honestly, right.
Yeah.

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First week back.
Lovely.

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Loved it.
Done.

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I'm joking.
You always make that same joke.

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Yeah.
Good.

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Move on.
Yeah, it's good.

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Because I need time to think.
It's been in the summer.

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I did what I always, every
single year.

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I've been doing it for 10 years.
I still do this.

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I get to the end of the summer
and I'm like, yes, I'm, I'm

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totally ready.
I'm totally ready to go back.

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Like being at home all the time.
It's not good for me.

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It gets boring.
I need to go do something within

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routine, man.
One day I was just like, Oh my

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God, I'm so exhausted already.
And now we've got children.

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This is the first for us to be
fair.

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We should reflect on this more
like this is the first time that

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we've started a new year with
our own children at home.

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So I'm going to jump straight
back at you.

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How have you found going back in
September specifically with in

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mind the fact that you've got
Rory at home to come?

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Back to you.
Well, one thing that's different

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now to obviously Rory's existed
for the end of the last school

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year, but one thing that's added
on to that is that both our

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partners have returned to work.
And previously when I went to

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work, I didn't really think
about it too much because I knew

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Rory was at home with Lauren, so
I knew Rory was at home with

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Mum.
They'll be busy doing stuff.

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Awesome.
We're going to see Nan,

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whatever, that's cool.
It is different now because I

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know me and Lauren are both in
work from that Monday.

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And Rory, he's with his Nan or
his grand, he's with one of

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them.
He's having the best day ever.

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You think, sure, is that the
best day ever?

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And our grandpa, our parents
having the best time with him

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and that that time's precious
and I love that.

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But the hardest thing about it
is definitely the parent

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themselves.
I think someone said it.

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I remember who it was.
Said it to me when Roy was

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really little, he was like the
hard, the hardest part is for

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you when you let go of it
because they have a great time

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with their grandparents.
They're loving it.

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So that's been weird.
But we're very lucky that he can

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spend time with his
grandparents.

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And in terms of going back to
school, I've not found it's

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impacted it too much.
Like I wanted to go to school as

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quickly as possible anyway
before I had Corey.

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So that's just like I was
already trying to leave as soon

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as I could.
But but the only thing that I

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find really tricky at the minute
as like a newish parent, I

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suppose is Lauren and I will get
home.

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Lauren's managing to get home
before me, which is good.

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But I get home and then it's
basically he's either finishing

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his dinner or he's about to have
dinner, bath in bed, then he's

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bath, then it's bed.
And like, I do so much work with

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other people's children and I
love it.

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I love working with other kids
and stuff but then it does feel

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like I'm kind of cheated out of
time with him whilst I'm at work

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and I know it's the way the
world works and then blah blah

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OK I'll get all that but I'm
still allowed to say it's not

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nice is it to get home and have
40 minutes with your child of.

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Course, yeah, for someone that
actually wants to spend time

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with a child.
Yeah, exactly.

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I found the same in the morning.
We had one experience, I don't

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know if you've had this as well,
but typically she wakes up quite

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early, so it's fine and gets
here in the morning.

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But one thing on Tuesday, she
just didn't.

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She just wasn't awake.
And we were about to leave for

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work and I was.
And we were, me and Laurie,

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because we were both just sort
of like my mom was there ready

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to sort of take over.
And I was like, I don't wanna go

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yet because she's not woken up.
And I just wanna, I just wanna

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see her for like 10 seconds in
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I wanted to wake up and not
think, where are my parents?

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Yeah.
There's those little things that

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I imagine parents that further
down the journey, laughing,

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laughing a lot, these guys.
And wait.

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Do you just wait?
But yeah, these little things

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are hard, and I don't wanna
pretend that they're just, well,

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easy.
Everyone should just get over

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it.
They're tricky to get over.

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Like I really found that quite
hard that.

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More and it's okay to talk about
it like I was definitely that

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person 3-4 years ago without
kids who if people were saying

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this, I'd be like.
Shut up, you.

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Chose to have kids.
Obviously, get over.

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I'm just like.
They'll be all right.

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Yeah.
And do you know what they will

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be all right, but but I won't
be.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's for me.

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Tell me about your class.
Really lovely, really lovely

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class.
I don't know what it is.

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Maybe I, I just have the
personality where I find any

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class lovely because they're new
kids, but but I genuinely think

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they're really, really bloody
lovely.

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They work hard.
It was really cool.

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I I had a weird week where my
first day back, I actually had a

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bad day and I was really excited
the first day back.

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Yeah, the first day Monday,
because we go straight back in

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with the children.
Nothing wrong with the children

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whatsoever.
They, they weren't being bad at

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all.
But I tried to do too much.

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I almost didn't practise what I
preach and I, I talk about how

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it's so important to set
routines, have expectations,

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just get into children getting
used to doing what they've got

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to do in school.
And what I just kind of forgot

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alongside that was in that first
lesson, once you're setting

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routines and they're getting
used to stuff and how to set up

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their book and exactly what you
want them to do and you're

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introducing yourself and all
that kind of stuff, it obviously

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eats away at lesson time.
So I'd also plan to do a proper

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lesson because I'm also of the
fact that I think you should do

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proper lessons as soon as
possible.

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It was just too much in one
lesson.

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And I got annoyed at myself that
I thought that was practical to

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do, that we could do it.
And then what also really

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annoyed me after the fact was at
the end of the day, I thought to

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myself, why didn't I just bend
the lesson?

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So instead of just in the moment
thinking, I'm just going to bend

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this lesson because I'm just
getting some of the kids, we'll

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get some Deans and some counters
out for maths and we'll just do

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some counting and just make some
numbers.

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Just keep it chill.
Just keep it really chill, but

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just see where they're at with
the basic stuff.

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I should have done that but
instead I tried to get a lesson

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done and I only got like 3 you
know, 30% of the lesson done.

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Annoyed that you don't you, you
basically just you didn't follow

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what you normally would.
Yeah, exactly.

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You're doing.
You're like what you're doing.

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And it's OK when they're younger
to just routines are the most

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important thing.
And same with English.

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And then the afternoon was, was,
was fine.

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You know, nothing to report
there already.

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We did some RE but I, I had a
banging headache Monday evening

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and it was self infected stress
basically.

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But Tuesday and Wednesday
straight in with routines.

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I've done a lot of the work on
the Monday.

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All I had to do in the Tuesday
and Wednesday honestly was just

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like, what did we say yesterday?
And they're like, Oh yes,

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they're already keen.
I could just teach two really

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good lessons in the morning.
The kids make good progress.

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I had no headache at the end.
I felt refreshed.

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I felt happy.
The kids were good, the kids

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were happy.
And I was like, OK, cool, I've

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not forgotten how to teach.
I just tried to.

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Do too much.
Have you smarter?

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Oh, you know, not Christmas.
Until Christmas, of course.

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I have.
I love it.

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We did a cold write on Tuesday
just to see what their writings

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like, and it was they wrote me a
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So I'd written them a letter on
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We went through it all things
about me so I could teach them

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stuff about who I am and stuff
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their interests and just just
about them basically so AI can

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get to know them and BI can just
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And you know, reading through
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Like so many of the kids had
already said, oh, I'm so excited

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because I've got Mr. Price and
Miss Evans.

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Mr. Price is the best teacher
ever.

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So nice to me like.
Miss Evans is alright.

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That's nice, isn't it?
Yeah.

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But but that's the other thing,
because I'm class, Yeah.

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They hadn't met Miss Evans yet,
No.

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Yeah.
So they met the class yesterday

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and on Wednesday at the end of
school.

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I was just saying to them, guys,
you know what tomorrow is, don't

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you?
And they're like what I was

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like.
You get my day off.

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See ya.
Oh please don't.

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Bye.
I said you get you get to meet

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Mrs Evans and they're like, oh,
I'm so excited.

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I was like, oh, yes, I'm going
to pick them up.

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And the whole the narrative is
where we're class sham.

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Like, you know, you guys get two
teachers and they're like you,

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we get two teachers.
They're so excited and so happy.

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So yeah.
And hopefully they've been

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having a good time.
And yeah, we go back on Monday.

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But you know, just a quick
reminder, doesn't matter how

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experienced you are or how much
you talk about the right things,

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you're going to have a bad day
still.

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In teaching, yeah, I was going
to make that point, but yeah,

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you've done it.
Yeah, Very nice.

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Is that what you're waiting?
For no, no, no.

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I was going to talk about how
I've the class I've got the year

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group I've got now is the year
group that you had two years ago

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that you probably wound up the
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Like as you know, from listening
to the podcast, if you have

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listened to it over time, Dylan
and I have had loads of banter

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across the school and quite
often we'll just make jokes to

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the kids because I I tend to get
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So it's always a good laugh.
And yeah, so I thought, OK, I'm

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going to capitalise on that
already by day three where we're

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making jokes in the class, we're
doing writing and using UNR

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sentences and stuff.
And I just love it.

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It's such a good hook because
they know you and then they're

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so engaged in the writing.
It's like, because I think as

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long as you can not forget like
the purpose of the lesson, it's

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a such a good tool because it's
like, Oh yeah, yeah, a really

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good idea.
You haven't used the comp

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property though, so I'm not
interested.

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I just love the idea of your
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Yeah.
Advert where someone's like

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they're doing a scam and she's
like, on the phone, like, hello.

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Yeah, no problem.
Thank you.

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Just put your details in and her
face drops.

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Did you see what I did there?
So yeah.

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Yeah.
Mr. Price, talk about all his

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hair.
Isn't that funny?

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Look at his hair.
Mr. You haven't used a semi

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colon.
Correctly.

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Oh, won't be laughing at that
sentence now, but they want to

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get it.
They want to get it right

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because they want to read out
their funny sentence.

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They want they want to talk
about you.

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So, yeah, another year of that.
Brilliant.

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I've got to find that hook.
Yeah, did say I said I'd stop,

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you know, calm down with the
bands between us a little bit.

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Day three already straight in
calling you an ogre and things,

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you know, all sorts of things to
make them laugh.

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But I just I just you know what?
I'm sure you do this as well,

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because we've talked about how
we have this kind of meta

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approach being like, hello, I'm
the teacher.

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This is how my brain works.
I'm going to tell you everything

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I do and why it's good.
And I just said to the classes

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like because I had all three.
We have do like a carousel.

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We've got three classes, but
year group. 3 formula.

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And, and I, when I had each
class, I, it was kind of my

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introduction to two of them
because two of them weren't my

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class.
And I just sort of said, hi, my

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name's Mr Stevens and, and this
is me, but this is how I work.

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I said we.
Will this is me look out because

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here.
I tea I burst out into dance.

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It was brilliant in the song,
but I can see them listening

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intently.
And I was just like, look, we

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can have it's up to you, but we
can have a like a really nice

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year.
And it's like, I want, I want to

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be normal.
I just want to be me and normal

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me.
We'll just have a bit of a

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laugh, have some fun, but we'll
get the stuff done.

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I was like, I will have to put
on an act though, which I don't

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like doing, which is being
really strict and serious all

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the time.
And then I went through if this,

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this and this happens.
And as it's completely up to

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you, so make your minds up what
kind of teacher you want this

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year.
And, and I'll respond to that.

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I just love that idea.
I don't know.

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We said it a million times, but
I think it's so powerful and

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it's easy to gloss over
sometimes and it's just.

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Telling the children why you're
doing stuff.

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And I think it's, I think it's
almost ingrained in my head from

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when I was younger.
Hating anyone with authority,

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pulling the fact that they're an
adult.

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Just because.
Just because.

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Because I told you to.
And there's, there's a I've

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talked about before, there's a
place for that, especially with

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safety and stuff like don't run
by the pool.

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Why?
Well, I'm not a time right now

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to tell you, but don't do it
right now.

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And I know why, but I in this
moment, it's important.

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You just listen to me.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Whereas a lot of stuff, when

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you're setting boundaries and
stuff, you can't explain to a

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child how talking whilst I'm
talking means that you're not

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listening to me.
And what does that mean?

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Oh, that means you won't know
what we're learning about in

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this session and then you won't
know what to do and then you

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won't learn new things.
So I can't have that.

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Even down to tiny things, right?
Like in English, we're reading,

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reading the book.
And most teachers will say, if

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you've got class texts and they
can all have a copy, they will

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say, read along in the book with
me, right?

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And you know what it's like
loads of kids don't want to do

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that because they're probably
because their opinion is you're

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literally reading out loud.
For me, I can just listen and I

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feel like those sorts of things
are you, you should explain to

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the kids why.
So I'll always say to them, it's

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like the reason I want you to
like specifically want you to

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read along, even though you
could literally close your eyes

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and listen to me.
It's because I want you to pick

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up new vocabulary.
And I really go through the

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examples of if I read an
unfamiliar word, you know, you

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don't, you wouldn't have seen
it.

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We can I'll talk about
punctuation sometimes how

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authors are using the
punctuation.

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You need to be seeing it to
know, and I always do that spill

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because I don't for the same
reason.

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I don't think it's good enough
to say because I've told you to

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read along.
So I just tell them why.

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But there's obviously a benefit
to it.

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Just tell them why.
And the double whammy is there

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is you're not just guessing that
they'll pick up that stuff.

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Now they know why you want them
to do them.

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Oh, actually, also, when I'm
reading, I won't just naturally

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pick up the words.
I will be looking now and I'll

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see.
Oh, yeah, When Mr Stevens

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stopped, there was a full stop,
but he also stopped for a comma,

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but not as long.
That's interesting.

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And and and you're modelling how
to read out loud what's on the

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paper and those links.
Yeah, that's a really good

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point.
Yeah.

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But just, yeah, I think, I think
both of us are kind of ingrained

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that into our teaching and we're
just explaining things properly.

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OK, well I've got 11 little
story before we go on to our

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main bulk of what teachers
should not be asking.

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You start that whilst I drink
the rest.

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Of my and you enjoy that you
enjoy that.

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Well, so this week we started
our first afternoon unit and the

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way we way we work in our school
is that with the afternoon

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lessons, we do weeks at a time
of something.

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So for example, this week we're
doing history and we'll do it

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next week as well.
It's a two week unit and then we

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might move.
I think we're moving on to art

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after that.
Then we'll do geography unit and

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they're either 1-2 or three
weeks.

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And this is a 2 week history
unit on the Anglo Saxons.

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And the way it works is
throughout our school.

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We're a Junior School.
So these children in year 3

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learn about the Romans.
Now we're learning about the

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Anglo Saxons and it's kind of
goes through British history.

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So this unit starts with the
fact that the Romans left

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Britain in full 10 I like that.
So the we were talking about

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what do you remember about the
Romans?

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What do they build in Britain?
What do they do?

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And then we said, OK, we're
going to start there.

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The Romans had to leave.
The Romans left because they

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were spread too thinly across
their empire.

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Look how vast their empire was.
But Rome was collapsing and Rome

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was being attacked, so they had
to retreat back.

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And what it left was almost like
a chasm in Britain because Rome

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had an army, and that army left,
and Rome was not there to

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protect Britain anymore from
Raiders and settlers and all

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this kind of stuff.
So we were talking about how

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kind of discussing whether the
Anglo Saxons invaded Britain or

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were they actually invited over
and paid money.

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Like saving it in.
A yeah, in a way like because,

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and we came to the conclusion
basically that there's not much

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evidence that there's Anglo
Saxons full on invaded Britain,

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but there's a lot of evidence
that the Romans, before they

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left, started to pay the Anglo
Saxons to come over to be as

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mercenaries to fight against the
Scots and the Picts.

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That's interesting.
So it was really interesting to

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talk to the kids about that and
just this idea of why would the

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Anglo Saxons come or they were
given land, they were given

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money, their land where they was
prone to flooding over in Europe

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and it was better land over in
England.

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So they decided to end up
staying here when they grew

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kingdoms and it grew from there.
But the whole idea of the lesson

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was why they came over in the
1st place.

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So anyway, we're talking about
how Britain was constantly being

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raided from the north by the
Picts in what is today Scotland,

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north of Hadrian's Wall and from
Ireland where the Scots lived.

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And we talked straight away
about how it's weird that the

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Scots lived in Ireland and the
Picts lived in what we call

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today Scotland.
So the kids were like, oh,

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that's odd.
Anyway, so we're talking about

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that.
And later on in the lesson,

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after we'd done a bit more
learning, I just did a bit of

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retrieval and I was saying OK,
OK then.

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So who can remember what were
the name of the people who

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invaded from modern day Scotland
thinking, oh, they're going to

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think the Scots, not the picked.
They're going to think the Scots

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and the kids.
Obviously I was playing up to

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this, like, I think I'm going to
trick some of you here.

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So who were the great things
about it from the north of

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Hadrian's Wall in what we call
today Scotland?

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And they were like, oh, no, no,
no, I know, I know.

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So they're putting their hands
up.

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And I was like, no, no, I think
I'm going to trick you guys.

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You're not going to get this
knowing it's the picked.

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Yeah, Yeah.
And these kids were so

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enthusiastic.
No, no, I'm going to get you.

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I'm going to get you.
I know what this is.

451
00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,520
So I picked this lad at the back
and it's like, yeah, yeah, me,

452
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,440
me, me.
And I went, Yep.

453
00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,760
Who were they?
Who were the name of the Raiders

454
00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,280
from the North?
And he went the pricks, the

455
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,760
pricks, The the picked, yeah,
the pricks.

456
00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,480
The Picts were on the North,
weren't they?

457
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,640
And it was.
Yeah, and they were pricks, Sir.

458
00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,599
Oh, OK, now I know you're saying
it.

459
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,520
But what was great was the no
one bad and eyelid like they

460
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,240
they they didn't know.
They didn't think it was

461
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,640
actually.
Do you think about that word?

462
00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,079
Yeah, the pic is hard.
Like but the pics and also

463
00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:26,319
pricks.
Who uses that word anymore?

464
00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,440
Like I, I, I can imagine none of
those kids had heard that word

465
00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,280
as like being a inappropriate
word.

466
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,320
But I just thought that's
brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

467
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,280
And he was so enthusiastic and
so happy of his answer.

468
00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:36,560
Like he got.
Yeah.

469
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,960
Got Yeah, it was the pricks.
Yeah.

470
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,000
So that's my funny story from
week 1.

471
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:41,960
Love that.
Oh, that's nice.

472
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,240
Sounds like the kids are all
having a good time.

473
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,520
Yeah.
And, like, make just making

474
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,640
history fun.
It's great, isn't it?

475
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,520
They love it and it's
interesting so many of them said

476
00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,440
history is their favourite
subject and I was like

477
00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,760
brilliant, but I reckon.
Get an Angular degree.

478
00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,880
Well guess what kids, Guess what
I did at university before

479
00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,960
teaching?
I realised there was no career

480
00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,320
in it afterwards so I'm here.
Guess what?

481
00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,520
Guess how long it took me to
mention the fact that I was on

482
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,600
TV?
On TV.

483
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,440
Oh, you've already mentioned it.
In the letter.

484
00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,040
In the letter.
I was like day one.

485
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:09,120
Yeah, yeah.
Day 2.

486
00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:09,880
Sorry.
It was a letter.

487
00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,520
And they, they meet like what TV
show?

488
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,320
And I was like, so I bring it up
and they're like, ask me

489
00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,320
questions like guys.
Not now.

490
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,600
Stop.
I'm humble.

491
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,360
I wouldn't want to mention the
fact that I was on these game

492
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,240
shows all the time.
I don't want to mention the fact

493
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,600
that I won loads of money on the
game show to you all right now.

494
00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,960
Stop it.
Hey, I don't want to bring it up

495
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,000
on the podcast.
Jesus, stop.

496
00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,800
Yeah.
Should we get into this?

497
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,440
Yeah, let's move on from your
money.

498
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,040
Down by the Bay where the
watermelon is growing.

499
00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:41,160
Back to my home.
I dare not go.

500
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,760
Sorry, we did it again.
We're in a podcast.

501
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,000
We're not singing to our
children.

502
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,160
That's right, we did live rent
free in our head 24/7.

503
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,680
Sorry.
Anyway, you're here because you

504
00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,280
clicked in this episode.
Firstly, welcome if you're a new

505
00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,640
listener because the spiking
lessons have been unbelievable.

506
00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,280
So if if you're still sticking
around after that chat that we

507
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,760
just had, you are really there
for the ride so.

508
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,120
Thank you've had a bit of song
and dance now.

509
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,240
Everything we, we that, you get
everything on this show.

510
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:07,160
Yeah.
Shall we talk seriously now?

511
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,280
OK.
You get that as well.

512
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,400
Everything shuts me down.
On the frequent frequency, one

513
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,280
big thing Hayden, we talk about
don't, don't I'm.

514
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,200
Not gonna take the mic out of
the words you.

515
00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,840
Use I use wrongly, wrongly all
the time.

516
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,480
One big thing we try and do
constantly with teaching as

517
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,960
experienced teachers is kind of
metaphoric.

518
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,200
It's kind of metaphorically walk
up to this teacher we've

519
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,840
invented our head who's like
1-2, three years maybe into a

520
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,120
job or even longer to be honest
with you and shake them and be

521
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,320
like, please understand this
thing that took us ages to learn

522
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,360
because it's so important.
And one of the biggest things

523
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,720
that I am so adamant that I want
teachers to know and understand

524
00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,560
is their rights in the workplace
and what they should and

525
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,440
shouldn't be expected to.
That is it, isn't it The

526
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,120
expectations, what you are act,
what someone can actually tell

527
00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,800
you to do and where you're like,
OK, fair enough, that's my job.

528
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,480
And what someone can tell you to
do where you're like, no.

529
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,360
Actually and then quote, you
know things back if you really

530
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,880
need to be like no, actually I
don't need to do this, so maybe

531
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,800
get someone else to.
Because a huge part of this job

532
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,880
is a massive grey area and the
amount of gaslighting of this

533
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,040
profession is insane.
I don't see it anywhere else

534
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,760
where they just make you feel
bad for not doing something.

535
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,000
Yeah.
Oh, but you know, it's for the

536
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,960
kid.
I think of the kids find it's

537
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,920
for the children.
We should be.

538
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,040
Of course, teachers do this all
the time too.

539
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,680
So because every teacher always
does it, I think you should do

540
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,040
it as.
Well, OK, I've only been

541
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,160
teaching in one school, so I
guess so obviously and.

542
00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,080
Then when I started off
teaching, I thought, well, this

543
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,200
is just what teaching is, and I
wish I'd listened to those

544
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,000
experienced teachers who'd been
in different schools and have

545
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,560
been like, sorry, this is
unacceptable.

546
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,200
I'd love to go back in time.
I'd love to go back to my NQT

547
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,200
self and just be like, oh, by
the way, like 80% of those

548
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,840
things you've been told to do
absolutely don't have to be

549
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,240
doing.
And also, it's 7:00 PM.

550
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,760
Yeah.
The ultimate example that I've

551
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,000
heard even recently is the
example from someone we, we're

552
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,840
friends with lots of teachers
and they, they spoke about how

553
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:04,080
in their school, they got told
that make sure by Monday all of

554
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,920
these brand new displays in the
hallway are done and up already.

555
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,240
That's common.
I've heard that from loads of

556
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,480
people about displays having to
be done by like this was at the

557
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,760
end at the end of like the
summer holidays, they need to be

558
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,880
ready for the start of the year
and it's like make sure they're

559
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,880
ready by Monday.
Let's just breakdown what's

560
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,240
being said there for a minute,
that you, you are you asking me

561
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,360
to come and do it at the weekend
or in my time off?

562
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,080
That is what you're saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

563
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,080
So what would you say as like a
little before we go?

564
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:31,240
Say we should role play.
Yeah.

565
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:31,920
OK.
So hey, I'm ready.

566
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,200
I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be the
SLT.

567
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,200
Okay, pretend this e-mail 'cause
I can't actually.

568
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,040
Speak, people.
Yeah, yeah.

569
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,800
So for anyone who's listening,
we're pretending.

570
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,440
We're time now I'm.
Talking, so I'm gonna write the

571
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,040
e-mail, OK.
And to whom it may concern.

572
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,520
Hope you all had a lovely
holiday, a nice restful break,

573
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,400
and haven't thought about work
in the slightest.

574
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,360
Ready to come back for a brand
new turn, by the way, on Monday

575
00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,240
morning, first thing, please
make sure all of the displays

576
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,040
are ready because we never know
who might be dropping in.

577
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,280
And we want to make sure all of
the children's amazing work,

578
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,520
which they haven't actually done
yet is up and ready.

579
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,600
So if you could just get those
displays done for us, that would

580
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,000
be amazing.
Monday morning, See you there.

581
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,280
Don't do any work outside of
school hours.

582
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,880
Make sure you look after
yourself, but make sure this job

583
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,360
is done as well on Monday.
Thank you.

584
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,280
Wow.
OK, ready.

585
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,840
Hi, this is an automated reply
from Hayden Stevens who's

586
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,320
currently away and he'll be back
back in the office on 15th of

587
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,880
September.
That's what you get.

588
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,680
I'm joking, I'm joking.
So I so 2 versions of me 10

589
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,320
years ago replying.
OK, thank you.

590
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,040
I'll make sure that gets done.
Thank you for thank you for

591
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,600
letting me know.
Now I'd be like I would I'd

592
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,480
either.
So, so there's two things here

593
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,480
gone in your head before you
current what I want to know

594
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,240
firstly, yeah, what is actually
going through your head when you

595
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,880
hear that e-mail right now?
Right now, when you get that

596
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,200
e-mail, what's actually going
through your head?

597
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,160
Not what you say to people.
OK?

598
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,360
What is going through your head
now?

599
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,760
Bugger off.
Absolutely not.

600
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,720
And what are you talking about?
And when do you want me to do

601
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:44,280
it?
Brilliant.

602
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,360
So how would you say to someone
who also thinks that Yeah, and

603
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,880
doesn't know what to do in this
situation?

604
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,320
You don't.
Just want to cause a ruckus.

605
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,960
That's in your head.
What would you actually do then?

606
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,080
What would you maybe?
Require depending on how passive

607
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,640
you want to be like as
aggressive.

608
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,320
I would probably reply something
like thank you no problem

609
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,000
looking forward to getting these
displays done.

610
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,560
I think they'll look great.
What allocation of directed time

611
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,040
it has been put for this.
When would you like me to do it?

612
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,560
Something like that.
It it sounds like innately

613
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,960
passive because obviously
you're, you're basically saying,

614
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,680
ha, ha, no, unless you give me
the time to do it.

615
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,720
But you've got to stick up for
yourself eventually.

616
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,320
And I'm actually going to talk
about displays later.

617
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,200
And this will come back to this
analogy perhaps.

618
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,120
But yeah, I think I would advise
you to say if it's, if you, if

619
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,000
it's genuinely unreasonable like
that, just say, OK, no problem.

620
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,160
Happy to get them done.
When would you like me to do it?

621
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,280
You know what?
My here's my schedule.

622
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,920
You know, be really passive if
you want as if they don't know.

623
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,040
Here's my schedule.
All of my director time for the

624
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,360
next year is full.
So when would you like me to do?

625
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,960
No, maybe not have it.
Yeah, but I would, I'd make that

626
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,880
point because it's then it just
puts it back onto them because

627
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,720
then they're forced to stop
doing the passive aggressive

628
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,320
thing themselves.
Where it's where it's like they

629
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,400
know you don't have any direct
time to do it.

630
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,400
But if they don't mention it,
they'll just hope that you'll do

631
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,880
it.
It forces them to then either

632
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,480
say, no worries, I'll sort out
some time for you because

633
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,280
they've you've cornered them or,
or they have to say no, no, no,

634
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,080
I'm breaking the rules and I'm
telling you to do it in time

635
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,320
when you're not paid.
Thank you.

636
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520
And it's like, well, then
there's one of those and they're

637
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,520
probably not going to want to
say so yeah, it's back on them

638
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,080
now.
It's not on you.

639
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,480
And the worst thing I see, which
really winds me up in those

640
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,080
situations, and I've seen it
before because I've grown in

641
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,560
confidence to say no to these
things.

642
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920
The worst thing they can do also
in that case is like 1/3 option.

643
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,240
They can always reply to you
saying, Oh yeah, of course

644
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,880
you're right, no worries, don't
worry about it.

645
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,640
But they will only reply to the
person who's who said something.

646
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,560
So then the, the what they'll do
is they'll be chancing their arm

647
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,000
basically.
And they know this is what they

648
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
do.
They, they will chance their arm

649
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,560
in these toxic schools that OK,
two or three people I know will

650
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,720
know their rights.
Those little buggers don't know

651
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,200
what they're not going to do.
But the other 15 people who I

652
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,240
know will just do it.
My e-mail was enough for that.

653
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,560
Brilliant.
I'm just going to harvest that a

654
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,840
nice one.
I'm not going to learn from this

655
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,440
one person and then tell
everyone I'm actually guys, I'm

656
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,560
so sorry.
I've made a mistake.

657
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,840
I've just remembered that none
of you have time to do this.

658
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,040
Yeah.
And I'm going to do that.

659
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,440
No one's going to do that.
Yeah.

660
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,120
Yeah.
So I thought what what would be

661
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,640
really awesome to do in this in
this episode here is if you're

662
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,640
listening to this, no matter
what stage in your career, I

663
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,880
think this is really important
knowledge to know because we

664
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,240
spoke last year a lot during the
strikes especially.

665
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,320
And when they set up the
well-being report and it was the

666
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,200
recommendations to the
government from the workload

667
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,800
reduction Task Force.
They were kind of suggested back

668
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,280
then and they said, look, these
things, that there was a whole

669
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,360
list of stuff that we went
through.

670
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:21,560
We want to go and watch our old
episode.

671
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,520
But what was really interesting
to us was this actual list that

672
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,800
I believe teachers who are more
experienced than us might

673
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,720
remember was actually part of
the standards beforehand and was

674
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,800
scrapped after 2010.
As if they say, oh, no, no, no.

675
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,080
Classic government, classic
Conservative government of the

676
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,520
20 tens, which was no, no, no,
no, no, no, no.

677
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,040
Of course we trust the the
people lower down to make these

678
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,640
decisions.
So what we're going to do is

679
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,120
just completely scrap it, No.
We don't need this draconian

680
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:47,320
guidance.
No Draconian.

681
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,040
Guidance here from me, I'm sure
that we can trust the people

682
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,520
down below whom we've managed to
slash their budgets to, to

683
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,080
adequately look after their
budgets, put increasing pressure

684
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,200
on.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll look

685
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,040
after that stuff.
Yeah, not fast and not triple

686
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,360
down that stress.
So what was really interesting

687
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,880
was this list that we've seen
that we, we, we thought was very

688
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,680
interesting.
We don't necessarily maybe even

689
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,480
agree with all of it.
I'd be really interested to go

690
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,400
through.
But what's amazing is this has

691
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,840
now been fully implemented into
the STPCD.

692
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,600
So that's the school teachers
paying conditions.

693
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,920
It is part now of the legally
binding contract between

694
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,480
schools.
The only thing that I'd be

695
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,600
interested to look at is how
much power academies have to

696
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,200
ignore this, because very often
academies, like we said, they

697
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,440
just strip all of the necessary.
But you mean you haven't read

698
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,000
the 900 page extremely hard to
read document on the government

699
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,160
website to find out?
Yeah, and academies just

700
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,320
constantly, I feel like they
have a new policy every two

701
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,880
weeks when they realise they
want to get rid of something

702
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,080
else.
It's like, Oh no, actually we've

703
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,920
updated this for the 14th time
this year because now actually

704
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000
you do have to do this.
But anyway, this is literally in

705
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,840
the STP CD now.
So it is from the government.

706
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,720
It is in writing Annex 5.
Go and look at it if you want it

707
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,000
will link it again down below.
And I wanted to go through this

708
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,680
list now because this absolutely
now a definitive list in writing

709
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,640
that has been confirmed that you
should not be asked to do as a

710
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,560
teacher.
How many things there are 23

711
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,280
things on this.
So go for all of them.

712
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,200
It might be that for some of
them we start, we have a little

713
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,080
chat.
But you need to know this

714
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,360
because if you are asked to do
any of this in your school or

715
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,280
expected to, you are well within
your rights to say no.

716
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,360
Now, very quickly before we get
started, there are probably some

717
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:20,240
things on this list, Tatum, that
do just have to get done though.

718
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,080
And if you're in a small school
or if you just want things to

719
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,560
get done more effectively,
teachers might end up doing

720
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,520
them.
Do you use that right or?

721
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,760
Wrong.
I think that's OK.

722
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,080
Yeah, just adding to this
preface.

723
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,760
I think I don't want us to come
across like anti work.

724
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Sure.
Or it's like, no, don't do any

725
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,560
of this stuff and even if you're
doing nothing, don't do it.

726
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760
I think you just you just need
to make it right so that if you

727
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,360
know, if you work in a nice team
in a nice school, I tell you

728
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,280
what, if if any of these things
are asked of us by our school

729
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,440
and I genuinely just have the
time to do it because our school

730
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,440
is a nice place to work and I
had then I had the time.

731
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560
I'd be like, yeah, right.
I don't mind doing it, but it's

732
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,120
just in those situations where
it's like if you're

733
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,080
overstressed, like that
situation about the displays and

734
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,240
things, if it's unreasonable, I
think it's just worth knowing

735
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,520
that you can be like, well
actually you are asking me of a

736
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,400
favour here because I don't
actually need to do this at all.

737
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,720
So I'm going to slightly decline
right now because I've got an

738
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,160
enormous workload going on.
I don't need this on top.

739
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560
I think a big thing about that,
that preface we're talking about

740
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:16,280
now is being a class teacher is
a job end, end of discussion.

741
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,800
That is a job planning,
delivering and marking lessons.

742
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,800
That is a full time job.
So when when we're talking about

743
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,480
everything else that comes with
it previously we've had to say,

744
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,360
guys, you've just got to
prioritise.

745
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,680
It's on you.
You've got to take the brunt of

746
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,000
it.
You've got to say no to stuff.

747
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,040
Previously when I've talked
about displays, we'll come on to

748
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,480
later, I've said that's so low
on my list.

749
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,800
I know it might not be
officially in writing, but it's

750
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,400
so low on my list right now.
Things I'm going to do, I

751
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,040
personally, I'm going to take
the Flack and I'm not going to

752
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,760
do it for a couple of months
because I've got other stuff to

753
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,320
do now.
It doesn't have to come onto you

754
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,360
personally.
You can point to this document,

755
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,320
you can send this document
highlighted.

756
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,080
I can imagine myself doing this
in a really nice, just friendly

757
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,560
way.
Doesn't have to be passive

758
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,960
aggressive at all.
But if I can imagine at some

759
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,840
point if, if someone's chasing
me up to do something and I

760
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,960
can't do it then and they're
being really persistent to do

761
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,240
it, I would.
I can just produce this document

762
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,320
now, which we'll link below and
we'll say, look, I'm really

763
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,880
sorry.
Yeah, all the respect in the

764
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,000
world.
You know how much work I'm

765
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,800
putting into my maths lessons,
my English lessons and my

766
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,920
afternoon lessons and all that
stuff.

767
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,680
You know, I'm working hard.
I don't actually have to do

768
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,920
this.
It's not part of my job.

769
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,960
So I will help you out when I
can.

770
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
And if you give me some time out
to do something, then I'll do it

771
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:22,640
immediately.
Yeah.

772
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Yeah.
But if if you're just saying

773
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,640
just to do this, the answer's
no.

774
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,800
Yeah.
And I'm sorry.

775
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,560
It's just a job.
It's a job at the end of the

776
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160
day.
Stop gaslighting teachers and

777
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,040
doing stuff because it's what
teachers do.

778
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,360
We don't.
It's a job.

779
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's get into this list.

780
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,600
You'll start.
Hey, let's start us off.

781
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Go on.
Right, OK #1 managing data and

782
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240
transferring data about pupils
into school management systems.

783
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,240
So just for context, these are
all things you don't have to do,

784
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,680
EG question level analysis or
printing electronic records for

785
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,400
paper filing administration
tasks, basically.

786
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,680
Yeah, there's quite a few things
there, isn't there?

787
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,160
I feel like the paper filing
that, that one, I don't know,

788
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,560
maybe, maybe just the schools
we've worked in.

789
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,520
I thought that was long gone,
but I reckon there are still

790
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,200
schools out there where it's
like they just, they just want

791
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,360
paper copies of everything.
Yeah.

792
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,520
And also like a big thing I
think a lot of teachers kind of

793
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,560
get drawn into doing is just
transferring data and putting it

794
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,680
in the right place.
So we know this data exists in

795
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,280
this place, but you know what
for, for the wider school and

796
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,240
for for people who need to look
at all the data, it needs to be

797
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640
in one place as well.
So can you just transfer that

798
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,160
over for me?
Well, it's actually something.

799
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,320
We've talked, we know, just
think about our school,

800
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,840
something our school's really
trying to work towards.

801
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,920
They're really because we, you
know, traditionally, like a few

802
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,840
years ago, our school was
classic like we got to just did

803
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,520
a bad habit of just we had kind
of data all over the place.

804
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,120
And we have in the last year or
two, I think mainly on

805
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,960
reflection of this, just been
like, Oh my God, what we doing?

806
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,240
Well, let's just have one
central system where the where

807
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,560
the stuff goes and stop
reproduce.

808
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Using assessments and data,
there was times where we'd have

809
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,800
to write, I remember previously
the same assessment in three

810
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,680
different places for three
different people and there was

811
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,640
no toxicity.
There was no doing this on

812
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,880
publish.
It was just it just needed a bit

813
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,800
of organisation and this
hopefully is something where

814
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,440
schools can actually look at and
go do you know what?

815
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880
Okay, actually that is wrong.
And that's how we know we're

816
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,680
working a nice school.
Stay tuned to this podcast

817
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,280
because in the future, I don't
know when, but at some point in

818
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,920
the future, we're gonna do an
episode on how to know when

819
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,840
you're in a toxic school.
And that's one of the ways we

820
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,840
know we're not because you know
what?

821
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,880
We can address this sort of
thing.

822
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,560
And the school goes, Oh yeah,
this is crazy what we do.

823
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,320
That's so important to say.
It's it's not.

824
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,520
You're not in a toxic school if
you have to do annoying stuff.

825
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,120
Yeah, you have to do annoying
stuff in every school.

826
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Yeah.
The toxic school is the reaction

827
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,520
and the pro action.
Yeah.

828
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:18,920
Yeah.
Cool.

829
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,400
Number 2GO on, Hayden.
Keep going.

830
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,480
OK.
I like you reading.

831
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,240
Yeah, that's fine.
I'm glad you do because you know

832
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,800
how much it stresses me out.
Number two is you don't have to

833
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600
reformat data or reentry of data
into multiple systems which.

834
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,120
Is pretty much what we're saying
there.

835
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,040
I'm free.
Production of photographic

836
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,640
evidence of practical lessons
makes me smile.

837
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,120
EG for assessment purposes
interesting or to evidence

838
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,520
learning. 2 very different
things there.

839
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,840
Do you do on that?
What?

840
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,320
What do you mean, Hayden?
Unless there's a picture of the

841
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,200
children working with Deans in
their mass book.

842
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,520
How do I know that they worked
with Deans in their mass book?

843
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,280
Because the planning says so, or
the book say so, or you say so.

844
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,920
You know, you know, it's like.
The last one's my favourite.

845
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

846
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Do you know, do you know how?
Because I I'm telling you.

847
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,600
Yeah, because I did it.
That's what they did.

848
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,960
All but I don't know if I can
trust you.

849
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,360
OK.
I come into my lesson then and

850
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
and try and catch me doing
absolutely nothing with them

851
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,520
ever.
Like like really?

852
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,320
I reckon there's not a teacher
out there genuinely in this.

853
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Country.
I reckon there's one. 11 OK, one

854
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,680
all right. 11 teacher.
Only.

855
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Only one though, not two out
there who genuinely just starts

856
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,440
a lesson and thinks I reckon my
SLT won't come around today.

857
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,960
Kids, put your feet up and then
get a book out.

858
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,800
It does absolutely nothing.
It's like, of course they don't.

859
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,880
Kids, sorry.
Just before you go get the mass

860
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,280
works out, can you write in your
book?

861
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,920
We practical.
Yeah.

862
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,200
Worked with Dean's today.
Thank you.

863
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,480
It's on the list, mates on the
list, teachers to repeat.

864
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,640
So don't put a photo in anymore.
So I'm going to take advantage

865
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,600
of it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

866
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,120
No, it's just not happening.
And there's nothing more

867
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,560
annoying than honestly, maybe
I'm sounding like a boomer here,

868
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:47,800
I don't know.
That's the right way, right

869
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,280
time.
But there's nothing more

870
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,080
annoying than finishing a lesson
and doing it and being like,

871
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480
I've got go and print photos.
Yeah, organise them so the right

872
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,200
kid gets the right photo.
So it's them in their book.

873
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,080
Like, Oh my God, no, just just
put the wall or whatever you

874
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880
wanna write or don't even, but
put the wall if that's what you

875
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,760
do.
We are learning to.

876
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,000
Yeah, count up to what that
1000?

877
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Done.
But once again, do you know

878
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,760
what?
Like our preface, are there

879
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,520
times, though, that still this
year I will probably take some

880
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,480
pictures and print stuff.
Yeah, because I want to

881
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240
precisely.
I, I, what used to happen was I

882
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,000
felt like, oh, I have to do
this, otherwise no one's going

883
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,560
to think I did this last.
Year well we worked in a school

884
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,240
where it was absolutely policy
yeah yeah yeah that if you don't

885
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,920
do anything in the books you
have to put something in the

886
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,600
book yeah so so if you did a
precious lesson make a picture

887
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,400
sheet or.
Something like that.

888
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Well, there we go.

889
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,800
I'm glad that's in there.
It's not.

890
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,680
A lot of these things actually
are very specific things.

891
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,600
I'm like, Oh yes.
And it's, it's cool, isn't it?

892
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Because it's just the difference
between choosing to do it

893
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,160
because you want to and you
choose to as professional and

894
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,040
knowing at the back of your head
that someone's going to be on

895
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,040
you if you don't.
Exactly.

896
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,600
It's such a different, like way
of doing this job.

897
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,360
Yeah, I'll go.
I'll go and.

898
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,920
Don't worry, I'll read #4 OK, go
on then.

899
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,400
I'm, I'm, I'm getting in the
swing of this now.

900
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Creation or duplication of files
and paperwork perceived to be

901
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,360
required in anticipation of
inspection, AKA Ofsted.

902
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Really think about that.
Such as copies of evidence

903
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,440
portfolios, copies or regularly
updated seating plans.

904
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Big thing for me, yeah, big
thing for me about this one is

905
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,159
this has to be in conjunction
with Ofsted reform.

906
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,560
So none of this happens because
people are just horrible.

907
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,000
I don't think this happens
because people are scared about

908
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,840
Ofsted and they feel like they
need to be in an organised in

909
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,000
the right place for Ofsted.
Because if they call next week,

910
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,639
I know that my mass leader, my
history leader, my geography

911
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,639
lead, I've seen it.
I've, I've can see it in front

912
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:24,960
of me.
It's tangible.

913
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,400
I know they'll be able to manage
the deep dive.

914
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,199
So this needs to come hand in
hand with and we heard this week

915
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,520
about how Ofsted have binned the
the one word.

916
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,800
And judgement.
So reform is coming, which?

917
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,040
We know is good, but like people
have said, that has to be the

918
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,840
start and I think this is a good
one because there's nothing more

919
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,320
annoying than being chased up to
just do reams and reams of

920
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,239
paper.
Because you're a class teacher

921
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,920
who happens to run history and
you might happen to have a deep

922
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,760
dive in history.
You suddenly got hours and hours

923
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,040
of extra work to do every week
just because it's nice to see

924
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,040
here.
Actually, no, no, you don't need

925
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,360
to do that.
And it says creation or

926
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,840
duplication.
I love that they're not just put

927
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,040
duplicating.
So it's like you don't have to

928
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,400
copy this stuff.
They didn't have to do it in the

929
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,280
first place.
And I also like that they didn't

930
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,440
just put Ofsted when they put
inspection because you know

931
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,520
what?
I know there are schools out

932
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,520
there that will do a mock stead
every two terms.

933
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,560
That's such a good point.
They'll do an audit and it's

934
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200
basically an Ofsted, but
internally or there a trust

935
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,960
that'll get like, you know, the
the the other people from the

936
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,440
trust in or other schools and
the trust to come and like order

937
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,720
each other schools to keep them.
And I don't think those things

938
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,760
are intrinsically terrible.
I think there, you know,

939
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,880
whatever schools can manage
their own way of like,

940
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,360
accountability and like make
keeping standards high,

941
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,280
whatever.
But it is nice to be like, yeah,

942
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,920
but this does say I don't need
to produce all this

943
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,600
documentation for this.
So if people want to come watch,

944
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,280
that's fine, but I'm not going
to do anything extra for it.

945
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,920
They can just come into my
lesson then completely.

946
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,800
And if do you want me to do
that?

947
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,000
OK, well I'm not going to plan
the five maths lessons this week

948
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,880
then, but I've got a plan.
I'll do this instead.

949
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,960
So it's one or the other.
What do you want me to do?

950
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,280
Yeah, yeah, it's.
Disgusting.

951
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,200
You know, we asked at the
beginning.

952
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,520
Like what?
I'd reply to that e-mail.

953
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's another one you can do is

954
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200
like almost put out there of
here's all the things that are

955
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,560
blocked.
My times blocked out for.

956
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,040
I can do this.
Yeah.

957
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Or this.
Which one would you prefer?

958
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,360
I can do the displays, but it
means I won't get any marking

959
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:01,720
done.
This.

960
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,440
Are you happy with me not
marking the books this week?

961
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,560
And I'll do the displays after
school.

962
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,240
I don't mind.
Definitely.

963
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:07,520
It's just such an easy way to
be.

964
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Like balls in your court.
Not in my court now.

965
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,720
My time's fall.
And it's a way of not saying no.

966
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,560
And we always say say no.
And it's like, cool, you can say

967
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,760
no.
But if you want to work in a

968
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,400
relationship in your school,
especially if you feel like you

969
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,800
get on in your school or you
know, you've got like six months

970
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,680
left before you can leave,
whatever it is, you make your

971
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,240
life at least nice in the
meantime.

972
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,280
And just like, say, frame it in
a way where you're not saying

973
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,000
they know, but it's in their
court to get rid of something

974
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,240
for you.
Agreed, agreed.

975
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Go on and you can denomify that
thank.

976
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,440
You administration or data
analysis relating to wrap around

977
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,840
care or preparation of food,
meals, breakfast clubs, after

978
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,120
school clubs and things like
that.

979
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,200
Data analysis and
administration.

980
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,120
Absolutely.
If that's happening, I, I don't,

981
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,320
I'm not sure that happens a lot.
I think a lot of the time

982
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,440
schools have kind of a separate
way of running their breakfast

983
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,240
clubs, their wrap around care
and clubs might be coming to

984
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,320
that at some point.
Administration because wrap

985
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,760
around care might count.
Data analysis in particular if

986
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,320
they do an article club maybe?
It's like a maybe you want to

987
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,840
check your pupil premium
children, make sure they're

988
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,120
getting something.
I don't know.

989
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,600
It's not really down to you.
So fair enough.

990
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,640
That seems fair to me.
Number six, administration of

991
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,640
public or internal examinations,
really interesting because I'm

992
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,560
thinking of examinations,
they're kind of within school

993
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,360
time, let's say.
When you do SATS, is that saying

994
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,200
that you don't have to
administer SAT?

995
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,160
Yeah, I don't really get that
one.

996
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,680
I looked at that one earlier and
I thought I don't really

997
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,840
understand.
Because I'm not being funny.

998
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,160
I'd want to be in the room of
Azia and it is my director.

999
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,920
I would normally be teaching it.
Yeah.

1000
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,760
Maybe it means like, I don't
know the way that sometimes

1001
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,080
maybe someone else might come in
to literally administer it, to

1002
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,560
read out the rules and stuff.
Public and internal examination.

1003
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,200
We've got any ideas on that one?
We're a bit stumped.

1004
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,640
Yeah, I don't.
I don't think that's a one

1005
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,840
that's important, really.
Move on to seven, we've got

1006
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960
loads of these.
Collating pupil reports, SO

1007
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,480
reports and pupil examination
results, end of year reports.

1008
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Again, I think many offices do
that.

1009
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,120
I don't that's a huge thing
looking at that.

1010
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,320
I'm not looking at that
thinking, wow, that's going to

1011
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,560
transform, but the way that.
Especially is one time a year.

1012
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,000
But you know what, it might be a
nice thing for people that are

1013
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,160
in schools where they have to,
well, they get told once you

1014
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640
finish your reports, print them
all twice, put them in

1015
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,880
envelopes, copy them, give out
this day sort of like, well,

1016
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,280
that is hours of work and.
That is just not my job.

1017
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Yeah, exactly.
Like we do have other staff that

1018
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,880
probably, I always think about
this, by the way, I always think

1019
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,600
like obviously everyone has a
job title and things overlap all

1020
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,560
over the place.
But I do often think when it's a

1021
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,920
really random task like this,
I'm like whose job is it closer

1022
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,800
to?
Is that job is printing them and

1023
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,240
putting them envelopes closer to
my job or closer to maybe

1024
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,080
someone in the office, closer to
the deputy head?

1025
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,360
I don't know, like I don't think
it's mine though.

1026
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,640
I don't think it's closest to
me.

1027
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,040
I'm not sure it's anyones job
but it's not closest to me

1028
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,960
though so.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1029
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,960
And you've got to look at just
how much work we've got to do in

1030
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,640
general.
Somebody's got to give producing

1031
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,800
and collating analysis of
attendance figures.

1032
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,840
I think that is is something
that has to be done from the

1033
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,760
top.
So like even if for it to be

1034
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,680
effective, I don't think it's
very effective for teachers to

1035
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,520
do that because you really only
get to see a snapshot of your

1036
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,000
own class.
And so many registers are done

1037
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,160
online now it produces reports
for them, goes to family liaison

1038
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,800
officer maybe to check up, to
chase up like really low

1039
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,000
attendance, maybe the head.
So that is how it should be.

1040
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,560
And if it's not like that, this
is.

1041
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Exactly.
I bet a lot of small schools,

1042
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,360
some of this stuff effects more
where they have to just take on

1043
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,440
more roles.
And it's sort of like, well, I

1044
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,080
actually don't need to do this.
But you know what?

1045
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,880
Reading for this, I will say I'm
going to pick up our school for

1046
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,240
a bit because reading through
this list has made me realise

1047
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,160
that our school absolutely does
so much stuff right.

1048
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,320
And they really make the effort
to and, and it would almost be

1049
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,680
easier to do this episode if we
worked in a really toxic school.

1050
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,880
So we could be like, yeah, we
hate doing this.

1051
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,600
Yeah, if only we'd ever worked.
But yeah #9 investigating pupil

1052
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,400
absence comes with #8 I think
that's absolutely right #10

1053
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,840
responsibility for producing,
copying, uploading and

1054
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,320
distributing bulk communications
to parents and pupils, including

1055
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,840
letters policy sees posts on
electronic platforms.

1056
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,360
The big one that comes out for
me, because I worked in a school

1057
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,640
where this was told we had to do
it was we were told we had to do

1058
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,160
a weekly blog on the website and
we had to update what we were

1059
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,280
doing.
We had to say for the parents to

1060
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,160
know what we're doing.
I remember being introduced and

1061
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,080
this was coming towards when I
was really coming around to the

1062
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080
fact that I thought, now what,
what on earth you asked me to do

1063
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,640
here?
Because I know on a Friday.

1064
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,120
I've got work to do after school
where I mark stuff and then I go

1065
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,560
home because it's Friday and
you've introduced this thing now

1066
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,960
where on a Friday I need to do a
blog and that just adds 20

1067
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,560
minutes to half an hour to my
day.

1068
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Yeah, I don't like that, but it
was.

1069
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,520
So what ended up happening was I
didn't do it and then I was

1070
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,080
chased up about it and I
remember being a bit like, oh,

1071
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,040
I'll do it instead of being what
we are now.

1072
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,760
Probably on Saturday you sat
there doing it.

1073
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Like, that's the problem, isn't
it?

1074
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Yeah, yeah.
It's just another of those

1075
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,880
things.
It goes back to when then

1076
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,440
because.
Because it's a nice idea.

1077
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,560
I worked in a school at the same
sort of time as you, but I also

1078
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,920
worked in a different schools
you where that was introduced.

1079
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,080
I remember thinking it's a
really nice idea.

1080
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Like it's lovely for the
parents, you know?

1081
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,800
It's not, It's not.
I remember gas like myself

1082
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,080
thinking, oh, it's not that hard
to take a photo and just write a

1083
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,720
paragraph about it or maybe even
get the kids to do it a lot.

1084
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,280
None of this is hard.
No, I know, but but

1085
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,960
realistically, it just has to
come with some sense of time.

1086
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,640
And I I can't remember.
I could be just completely

1087
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,240
misquoting what happened at the
time, but I do, I feel like

1088
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,320
there was an effort to say like
do this at like the end of your

1089
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,760
lesson on on a Thursday or
Friday and get the kids to write

1090
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,320
a paragraph.
And it's like, yeah, it is

1091
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,520
great.
And and at least they've made

1092
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,680
the effort.
I was like, but then there's

1093
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,920
also just cuts into the lesson
that you also want me to teach.

1094
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,480
So.
There's never ending.

1095
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,920
There's always something that
has to give and and it usually

1096
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,360
just ends up being the teachers
time.

1097
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,680
When I do the blog at the end of
the lesson, does that mean that

1098
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,960
I won't have time to do the mini
plenary in the middle anymore?

1099
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,360
Oh my gosh, no, you must do
that.

1100
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,120
You must do that as well.
Mini plenaries.

1101
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Now log on.
They are low, no.

1102
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,640
One I know, but it's a running
joke that we've got to do the

1103
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,920
mini plenaries in a toxic
school.

1104
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
So next one, administration
relating to school visits, trips

1105
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,200
and residentials.
This is huge.

1106
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,480
I feel like every teacher ever
does this.

1107
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,040
Like what teacher doesn't
organise, you know?

1108
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,240
Trips in residential, so that's
very normal.

1109
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,440
So who organises then?
Like I guess booking venues,

1110
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,680
collecting forms and stuff.
I guess there's there's there's

1111
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,960
got to be something what we say
here where it's about what's the

1112
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,720
word being as being as quick as
possible to get a job done.

1113
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I can't think of what that

1114
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:57,720
word is.
Efficient.

1115
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,800
Yeah.
Efficiency because is it

1116
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,120
efficient for me as a class
teacher to look up what we're

1117
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,360
going to do?
Because obviously it has to come

1118
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,680
from me.
I'm playing in the curriculum.

1119
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,120
So let's say we need to get
someone in Bugman, he needs to

1120
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,080
get Bugman to come in.
Is it efficient for me to go off

1121
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,920
and think, well, OK, we want to
get Bugman because I'm planning

1122
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,080
the curriculum and this links in
with that and it's only I can do

1123
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,160
this.
Cool.

1124
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,920
So I'm going to then find
Bugman, but then I'm going to

1125
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,040
then pass it on to the office.
Hope they get time to book this

1126
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,800
because they've got a million
other things to do as well.

1127
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,280
It's over in their court.
Now they're going to get back to

1128
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,640
me and say Bugman can do these
dates.

1129
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,560
What dates can you do?
And I'll look in my diary and be

1130
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,760
like, oh, these dates these
days.

1131
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,880
These days dates pass back to
the office.

1132
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,080
The office get back in touch
with Bugman.

1133
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,800
Bugman comes back and says,
cool, that's confirmed, All

1134
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,480
good.
Then Bugman contacts the office

1135
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,640
to say are we still OK for next
week?

1136
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,000
And then the office contact me.
So at what point actually,

1137
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,320
should I just ring Bugman and
say hiya, 16th, 17th, Have you

1138
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,160
got availability?
Yeah.

1139
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,400
Cool.
OK, No problem.

1140
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,080
Nice one.
Thanks.

1141
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,720
Yeah, I'll send the invoice to
the office.

1142
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,760
Yeah, I suppose you probably use
the perfect example for it where

1143
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,760
it's quite an easy thing to
book.

1144
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,720
But I don't know, I reckon there
are loads of situations where it

1145
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,320
probably is more efficient in
your overall for your time to

1146
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,440
just say to the office, like, in
fact, I worked at a school, so

1147
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,040
one of the schools I worked at
had that exact system.

1148
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,680
I thought it was really good,
the best system I've seen for.

1149
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
School, go on, said it to me.
Which was literally, if I wanted

1150
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
to go on a school trip,
obviously, obviously you have to

1151
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,880
know where you want to go.
To have to even have the idea

1152
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,040
you already intrinsically know
where you want to go on your

1153
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,360
school trip because you're
thinking about it.

1154
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,920
I literally would go to our
finance manager of the school

1155
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,840
and say I want to go here On
this date, that's it.

1156
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,160
And that's all.
And then they would just do all

1157
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,440
of it.
They'd just book everything out,

1158
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,800
do absolutely everything.
If they need to clarify

1159
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,600
something, I'm sure maybe they'd
come round to me and say, oh, is

1160
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,920
it all right in this one?
But that was nothing.

1161
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,600
That was easy because I could
still do what I'm doing and I

1162
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,840
could just say, yeah, that's
fine.

1163
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,480
But that was a really good
system.

1164
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,040
And it's funny, it's just out,
out.

1165
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,080
Yeah, I thought it was pretty
good.

1166
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,920
So even when you're doing that
analogy there, I was still

1167
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,840
thinking, yeah, it probably is
still a bit quicker, even if the

1168
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,240
office do get back to you once
or twice.

1169
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,840
Yeah, cool.
But then it does.

1170
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,240
But it does go down to it's
like, but have the office

1171
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,640
people.
But I know, I know the office

1172
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,600
staff and they're bloody lovely
and I know they're swamped as

1173
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:49,200
well.
Yeah, I know.

1174
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,520
So it's awkward, isn't it 'cause
sometimes in this, saying no

1175
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,560
doesn't get rid of the job, it
just moves the job.

1176
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,000
This is that.
This is that classic example

1177
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
again.
One more time, going back to

1178
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,120
that preface we did where it's
like you just got to be

1179
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,080
reasonable with with your
school.

1180
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,120
As long as that being reasonable
with you, you can compromise.

1181
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,560
You can make things.
If you want to take your kids on

1182
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,960
a school trip, like OK, you
might have to do a little bit

1183
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,320
like a little bit of admin
around it.

1184
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
But actually, no, you might want
to do a little bit of admin

1185
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,480
around it.
You don't have to though.

1186
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,720
That's what this document is
telling you.

1187
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,560
That's what that's just what
that's you just need to know

1188
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,160
you're right.
You don't have to do it.

1189
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,800
You can take it on.
Brilliant.

1190
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,720
Yeah, you probably will.
I'll.

1191
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,200
Tell you what a big job is, is
like a school residential.

1192
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,440
That's different to me than
we're going out for the day,

1193
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,520
we're walking up the road to the
library for three hours.

1194
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,400
That's kind of school trip is
like, OK, you might have to do a

1195
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,360
little risk assessment or
whatever, probably get saved

1196
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,760
during lunchtime.
You might just go, yeah, it's

1197
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,640
like, OK, whatever, easy, but
OK, We need to book a three

1198
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,600
night, five night trip maybe to
somewhere really far away and we

1199
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,080
need coaches there, coaches
back.

1200
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,960
The parents need to know what
they've got to take, just like

1201
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,280
that kind of trip.
That's enormous.

1202
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,160
I don't think that can fall on a
class teacher.

1203
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,000
No, that's a really good point.
It shouldn't do and now you know

1204
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,840
it.
Won't I agree because also it's

1205
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,560
about safety at that point as
well and if you're thinking

1206
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,880
about 16 other things, you might
overlook something in that kind

1207
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,160
of.
Tree read the magic #12.

1208
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,880
This one is the big one.
Go ahead.

1209
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,880
I've got so many opinions.
And then you have as well.

1210
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,360
Yeah, it's probably gonna spend
the longest I'm.

1211
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,560
Gonna read it and you're gonna
jump straight in.

1212
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,960
Okay, so magic #12 organisation,
decoration and assembly of the

1213
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,800
physical classroom space, EG
moving classrooms, moving

1214
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,440
classroom furniture, putting up
and taking down classroom

1215
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,040
displays.
This, this is huge because it's

1216
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,920
got so much in one like we've
got like one of them was just

1217
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,640
like you don't need to put data
in one place or another.

1218
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,640
And this one has so much in it,
right.

1219
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,160
So firstly, moving classrooms,
insane job that we've talked

1220
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,680
about a million times, which is
just seems to be potluck

1221
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,280
sometimes just saying to
someone, oh, by the way you're

1222
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,480
moving classrooms.
It's such a simple sentence to

1223
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,560
say, but it comes with so much
work and so much dedication goes

1224
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,040
into building spaces from
teachers.

1225
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,440
Moving classroom is an amazingly
big job.

1226
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,760
And what we're saying now is in
your documents that you sign

1227
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,760
when you become a teacher, you
absolutely are not expected to

1228
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,400
use your own time to move your
classroom around.

1229
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,840
So.
What, is it fair then for you?

1230
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,440
Would it be fair if a school
said we've got all of today?

1231
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,800
Yeah, kids aren't in.
It's an inset day.

1232
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Whatever kids aren't in all of
the day is your day to move

1233
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,680
classrooms.
Completely fair, completely

1234
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,920
fair.
Because I think what we're

1235
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,080
coming down to here is, and this
is something we're going to

1236
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,200
reiterate right now, I don't
think anyone minds moving rooms.

1237
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,480
But if you move from year three
to Year 5, clearly Year 5

1238
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,400
classrooms are in a different
place in the school because the

1239
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,160
children go.
That's of course you know the

1240
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,640
deal when teaching.
You're not going to be the same

1241
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,000
year group teacher for your
entire career.

1242
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,840
You are going to move.
But when SLT sit there and go,

1243
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,160
we're going to move Dylan from
year three to year five.

1244
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,600
That decision has to come
alongside knowing if you can

1245
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,640
book out the time for that to
happen.

1246
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,480
Yeah.
If you can't book out the time

1247
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,600
for that person to move
classroom, don't move them.

1248
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,520
If you if you're moving them, it
has to come with.

1249
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,880
And I know I can give him the
time to do this then.

1250
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

1251
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,720
And what can't happen, and this
happens all the time and this

1252
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:51,400
cannot happen.
This is not fair.

1253
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,680
There might be an inset day.
Yeah.

1254
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,560
You might have 30% of your
classroom teachers moving And.

1255
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,440
And what will be said is this
inset day is for moving

1256
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,360
classroom.
And you're like, cool, that's

1257
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,160
great for me.
But there are 70% of people who

1258
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,320
are moving classroom.
Yeah, that's fine.

1259
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:07,720
They can just get on with other
stuff, can't they?

1260
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,480
Can they?
Yeah, because I want that time

1261
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,440
as well, because I've still got
to do my job outside of school.

1262
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,000
So it has to be built in where
if you're moving classroom, you

1263
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,000
and only you or your peers are
moving classroom, get this time

1264
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
out that no one else gets.
That's extra, and if you want

1265
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,640
the inset day for extra stuff as
well, you get that on top.

1266
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Yeah, you should be able to
argue that smokers break, isn't

1267
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,160
it?
I remember working, you know, it

1268
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,280
was like, why do they get extra
breaks while they're smoking?

1269
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
You're not smoking though.
You crack on with some work,

1270
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,000
bloody start smoking.
I'm not smoking, but I want the

1271
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,040
break though.
So yeah, I'm, I'm moving my

1272
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,800
classrooms, but I want to get on
with the other work that they

1273
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,360
all get time to do because
they're not moving classrooms.

1274
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,840
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, in particular.

1275
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,760
So that's just one part of it,
which is huge, right, Moving

1276
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,760
classroom furniture less so.
Yeah, this is the big one,

1277
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640
putting up and taking down
classroom displays.

1278
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,200
Hayden, talk, talk to people who
who maybe don't understand.

1279
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,280
I think we're in two camps of
classroom displays.

1280
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,280
Yeah.
What?

1281
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,160
What are your thoughts of
classroom?

1282
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Displays.
Whether you're a teacher or not,

1283
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,480
you know what we're talking
about.

1284
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,840
You all.
You can all remember those

1285
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,320
backed classroom displays with
the frilly borders all around.

1286
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,120
It hasn't changed in 4000 years,
so it's fine, right?

1287
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,240
4000 years, maybe 3000 years.
I'm joking, but 2. 1000 BC it's.

1288
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,840
Been the same for a long time.
Yeah, they don't have anything.

1289
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,360
Walking to a school which
doesn't exist.

1290
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,720
Borders floating.
Baudettes, I think they're

1291
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:24,880
called.
What was your question?

1292
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,040
Just what are they?
What are displays?

1293
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,400
No, I got too much into it.
You got too much into your

1294
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,120
thought of 4000 years ago.
Yeah, yeah.

1295
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,240
No, I'm saying what are your
thoughts on displays?

1296
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,640
Be honest, strip it down.
What do you actually think

1297
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,080
about?
Doing them.

1298
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,480
So, and I know I'm going to not
agree with everyone with this

1299
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,280
one, but I really don't like
displays.

1300
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,520
I don't think they automatically
add absolutely anything to the

1301
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,240
classroom other than just being
an interesting wallpaper.

1302
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,800
I do generally think 90% of the
time they are just wallpaper.

1303
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,400
Kids don't look at them, don't
use them.

1304
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,120
I think there are teachers, I'm
going to say this now before you

1305
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,960
start yelling at me.
There are teachers who use their

1306
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,640
displays and for them it's not a
wallpaper.

1307
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,920
It's an actual resource and at
all good for you.

1308
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,040
That's absolutely.
And it works well.

1309
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,840
That's well, that's good.
But for people like me who

1310
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,080
don't, I don't like doing
displays.

1311
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,640
I don't want to put them up.
I never have time to do them.

1312
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,320
I don't use them, I don't
reference them, I don't look at

1313
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,000
them.
They are just background

1314
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,840
nothingness to me and they are
for my class because I don't

1315
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,640
reference them.
They're just a waste of time.

1316
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,480
So hearing this, I'm like, Oh my
God, Hallelujah.

1317
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,960
The amount of times in my career
that I've been asked, Oh, you

1318
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,360
got to do this display.
You got to get displayed.

1319
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,080
And I'm thinking, oh, you
honestly, you might as well like

1320
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,280
ask me to go outside and just
like start kicking grass for

1321
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,760
three hours.
Because that's that.

1322
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,000
That is how utterly pointless it
feels to me.

1323
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,760
I'm just like, oh, you're just
telling me to waste time because

1324
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,160
I'm not going to use it.
I'm not going to look at it.

1325
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,360
They're not going to use it or
look at it.

1326
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,840
You're not even going to come
around.

1327
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,280
You're just going to be.
It's just a tick box you.

1328
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,360
Just come around with a box,
tick it's.

1329
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,480
Like this display is for no one
for me.

1330
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,880
I'm that kind of teacher.
You're a teacher A or teacher BI

1331
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,120
think you're a teacher A as
well.

1332
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Yeah, displays are doing.
Nothing.

1333
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,200
I think type A teachers are the
ones who love displays.

1334
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,680
There's like a name of this.
Type B teachers are scatty.

1335
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Right, OK, we're the type BS.
But you know, I'd be interested

1336
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,720
to know because I make up this
idea that loads people love

1337
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:00,000
displays.
I reckon it's not that many

1338
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,880
people, but I know some people
do probably.

1339
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,960
A lot of people who like you,
but they're like, OK, well I'll

1340
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,360
just do working more and I'll
make it work.

1341
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,360
Yeah, yeah, sure.
But I can't hate displays.

1342
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,720
So this is really interesting to
me, putting up and taking down

1343
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,720
classroom displays.
We spoke about this previously.

1344
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,880
There's some heads in schools
who've seen this now, got rid of

1345
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,560
displays in classrooms and we
and you like kind of didn't like

1346
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,360
that either.
Well, yeah, I was about to come

1347
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,960
back on myself just then and say
I've been to a school before in

1348
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,400
London where they had 0 displays
that the class was very much

1349
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,360
like if you go to like a
university library, those kind

1350
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,360
of rooms.
And, and my gut feeling was, and

1351
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,160
I don't know if that's just
because I'm indoctrinated into

1352
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,880
our world.
It wasn't a fresh unbiased

1353
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,760
opinion but my gut feeling was
this is a horrendous place that

1354
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,760
yes, it's so.
Boring.

1355
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,360
I think that's a common theme.
So I'm like, I don't know, Am I

1356
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,120
just being a massive hypocrite?
But it's probably a middle

1357
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,560
ground.
I, I, if so, the middle ground

1358
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,920
is this.
If someone said to me you need

1359
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,920
displays and you need to pick
what's gonna go on and but we'll

1360
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,600
get someone to do it, I feel
like that's brilliant

1361
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,000
potentially.
I like the colourful background

1362
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,600
wallpaper.
I just don't think there

1363
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,520
anything more than that.
They are just a colourful

1364
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,760
background wallpaper and kids
happen to like colourful things.

1365
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,200
And you don't wanna spend your
time doing it.

1366
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Yeah.
I just wanna do it, yeah.

1367
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,520
Well, I think under this it
comes like it's not saying we

1368
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,360
shouldn't do anything.
Like we should obviously still

1369
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,680
do trips.
We should obviously still move

1370
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,120
classrooms.
I think it's saying we should

1371
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,040
obviously still have things up
and down in display.

1372
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,120
But it's not as your teacher,
it's not your job or to do that

1373
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,680
when it comes around.
You might be able to manage

1374
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,000
other people today.
So next time you've got your TA

1375
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,640
or assistant helping you with
some displays during lesson

1376
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,480
time, yeah, if you've got this.
But if you do that and your SRT

1377
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,680
comes in and said that's not a
good use of their time, you

1378
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,560
shouldn't be using an assistant
to be doing that during the

1379
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,760
lesson.
They should be supporting staff.

1380
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,840
You can just be like OK when can
I get my displays?

1381
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,320
Is it a good use of my time?
The literal teacher of the

1382
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,280
classroom?
Yeah.

1383
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,440
If it's not good enough for the
teaching assistant, I thought

1384
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,520
I'd want to plan the lessons.
And I'm a qualified teacher.

1385
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,720
What do you mean?
It's my time Is OK to do it?

1386
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,640
Is it all right?
So true.

1387
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Absolutely.
And you know what?

1388
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,000
We bloody love teaching
assistants.

1389
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,080
I'm going to just take 10
seconds now just to say nearly.

1390
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,520
I'd say pretty much every
assistant I've worked with has

1391
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,880
been unreal.
Like so more than happy to do

1392
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,640
displays for us, more than happy
to then help with learning, more

1393
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,120
than happy to then do marking
even.

1394
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,080
They'll be like, I'll mark that
for you.

1395
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,080
And I'm like no.
They'll do what you're.

1396
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,320
Planning.
Dylan's really exposing himself

1397
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,880
here live my lesson.
I just sit at the back doing a

1398
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,000
display.
That's what I want to do in it.

1399
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,440
Yes, right.
Let's try.

1400
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,520
We're 50 minutes in.
We're half a yeah, we're going

1401
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,680
to wish free.
So 13 ordering, setting up and

1402
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,480
maintaining ICT equipment and
software.

1403
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:16,840
I think that's absolutely
standard.

1404
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
I don't think that many people
do that #14.

1405
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120
During supplies and equipment, I
think here there is a separation

1406
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,960
for this between supplies and
equipment sometimes and

1407
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,200
resources for our lesson.
I think most schools have order

1408
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,800
forms still.
Yeah, you do have to do it

1409
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,600
yourself.
Get the big TCS book or whatever

1410
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,160
it is.
Yeah, TSC at the local,

1411
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,440
whatever, whatever.
Yeah, who knows big the big book

1412
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,480
out.
We have to make order forms.

1413
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,320
I think it's KCS.
I think it's KCS.

1414
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,920
We made those yes and TCS.
We had total Sports coaches T1,

1415
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,280
yeah.
Yeah, I'm thinking of Scott's

1416
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,520
company, but yeah, I don't know,
I think that could probably be

1417
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,760
something that could way easily
be managed by a school if they

1418
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,920
just put some time into it where
it's like, Oh yeah, we do.

1419
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,600
It's funny that everyone puts
the same order form in every

1420
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,480
term for more pens.
And should we just order more

1421
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,320
pens and white boards also every
month?

1422
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,280
You can.
I think that.

1423
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,560
I think that does happen in a
lot of schools.

1424
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,720
But then when we're talking
about specific stuff for like

1425
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,680
afternoon lessons.
Right.

1426
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,520
Oh yeah.
Like let's say I needed some

1427
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,760
straws and some felts.
Or something craft thing you do.

1428
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,320
Like at what point now does the
line stop?

1429
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,920
Like as the teacher, obviously I
need to say well we need felt

1430
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,000
straws da da da da da da.
Should I then go and spend half

1431
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,400
an hour looking for a catalogue
to order it?

1432
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:16,880
Yeah.
No, no, no, probably not.

1433
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,600
You could put, yeah, I think
there should be a system where

1434
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,640
you can just say I need these
things, even an e-mail, I need

1435
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,840
this much of these things.
Can you order them for me

1436
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:24,120
things?
Done.

1437
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,920
But then again, small school or
any school who's?

1438
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,200
Going to do it.
It's tough and it makes us sound

1439
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,280
really, I don't know, obnoxious.
Well, I don't know where where

1440
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,200
it sounds like I'm getting this
idea that through this list

1441
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,000
we're basically saying someone
else to someone else.

1442
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,400
I think, I think the big problem
here is we need someone else who

1443
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,040
doesn't exist in the school
because there's no funding.

1444
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,560
That's it.
In fact, this, this, this is all

1445
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,680
well and good.
You're actually going to get

1446
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,440
someone in place to.
Help us with this it sounds

1447
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,000
really ignorant, doesn't it, of
other people's work.

1448
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,120
I hate the idea that someone
listen to thinking do they think

1449
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,440
office staff can do this no, I
don't I don't think they have

1450
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,720
the time to do it no, I just
don't think it's my job.

1451
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,960
I think it's closer to their
job.

1452
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,360
They.
Just don't have the time to do

1453
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,600
it.
Yeah, So we have the problems.

1454
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,880
It's like cool, so do I just do
I just do it then?

1455
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,120
Because someone has to just do
it.

1456
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,720
So why is it always me?
Yeah, why is?

1457
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,680
It always me they're working at
the weekend, the office staff

1458
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,600
aren't working at the weekend.
Precisely #15 Catalong, are you

1459
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,000
preparing, issuing stock, taking
and maintaining materials and

1460
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,440
equipment, logging the absence
of such that standard?

1461
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,360
I think a lot of subject leaders
do that, like cupboards.

1462
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,440
And yeah, there might be the art
subject, the leader goes in and

1463
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,320
just logs things once a year.
But again, get time out to do

1464
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,240
it.
Nothing wrong with doing it,

1465
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,840
just get time out to do it.
Yeah #16 collecting money from

1466
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,240
pupils and parents office down
to a tee.

1467
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,320
Do that pretty much.
I'm like, what does it mean?

1468
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,800
Because sometimes on non school
uniform day, obviously they come

1469
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,360
into my classroom and put a quit
in the pot.

1470
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,360
Yeah.
So I'm going to do.

1471
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,040
Anything they're trying to not
do that though, because it

1472
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,520
because it's just like there is
a risk.

1473
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,960
Yeah, it sounds stupid, but
there's a big risk of like any

1474
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,080
kind of cash handling.
It's like, OK, could go, it

1475
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,400
could go in someone's pocket.
Your pocket.

1476
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,000
You get accused of taking it.
How else do you think Hayden

1477
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,040
afforded that smoothie this
morning?

1478
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,200
Yeah.
Exactly, seriously all that

1479
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,320
money from non school uniform
days.

1480
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,160
That's true and most schools are
cashless now.

1481
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,520
And I think if they just put
some time into it they probably

1482
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,800
could think of ways to do non
school uniform or those things

1483
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,320
where they bring in a pound.
I bet they could think of

1484
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,120
another way of doing it that
doesn't involve a literal pound

1485
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,000
coin coming.
In cashless society, maybe, yeah

1486
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
#17 administration of cover for
absent teachers, that falls a

1487
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,360
lot on head of years.
That's tricky.

1488
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,480
That falls a lot on head of
years.

1489
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,240
And it's like administration of
cover.

1490
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,480
Cool.
So does that mean organising

1491
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,920
cover or does that mean printing
resources for cover?

1492
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,360
Because when I'm not in class
and I don't care what this list

1493
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,600
says, right when I'm not in
class, I will print trim and get

1494
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,920
ready everything for the cover
teacher because I that's I, I

1495
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,320
feel like that's acceptable.
Yeah, it's polite because.

1496
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,040
You know what?
I would be doing that.

1497
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,840
Not in that time anyway.
Yeah.

1498
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,080
So, yeah, that's just part of my
You were teaching that lesson.

1499
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,000
Yeah.
Whenever you would have printed

1500
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,480
all the stuff, do that anyway.
And then when you're not there

1501
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,360
teaching that lesson, well,
that's the bit that's difficult.

1502
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,040
I've got a meeting with someone.
It's like, well, I would have

1503
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,920
spent 10 minutes before lunch
prepping.

1504
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,600
Yeah, I'm not just going to not
do that now.

1505
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,760
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.

1506
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,960
I think it's just polite and I'm
sure your school has.

1507
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,960
If they don't have a policy for
it, that's something you should

1508
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,120
push for.
It's like OK we need some

1509
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,480
consistency across the school.
If you got 1 teacher that says

1510
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,240
no I I believe it's to cover
teachers job to do that I send

1511
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,080
them all the stuff and they can
print it themselves and everyone

1512
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,880
else is like well no we just
print it.

1513
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,880
Just get some clarification from
the head.

1514
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,080
Looks like this is the policy
now.

1515
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,360
This is what you have to do when
you're covering.

1516
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,360
It's just nice and easy one.
Absolutely #18 coordinating and

1517
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,720
submitting bids for funding,
school status and the like.

1518
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,720
I don't think that's a huge
problem, to be honest with you.

1519
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,560
I think maybe bids sometimes,
like sports leads might might

1520
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:11,480
bid.
Yeah, true.

1521
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,840
To be fair, yeah.
So maybe you'd have to just get

1522
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,600
some time out again to do that.
I don't.

1523
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:18,320
I'm not against doing these
things like you said, but time

1524
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:19,840
has to come into it.
So it's saying teachers should

1525
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,400
not do this.
Like, unless you know you're

1526
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,240
actually not, should be expected
to do it in your own time.

1527
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,240
Yeah, let's just go back to, you
know, you keep saying time out

1528
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:29,040
for this, time out for that.
Let's just remind everyone just

1529
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,920
once more that being in class,
just planning those lessons and

1530
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,560
delivering those lessons and
marketing those lessons is

1531
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,680
already a full time job.
It takes up all of the directed

1532
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,200
hours.
Absolutely right.

1533
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,720
And often they don't even get
classed as directed hours even

1534
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:43,840
though you have to do them like
marking, but it does.

1535
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,960
So yes, it is just completely
reasonable for every single one

1536
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,520
of these things where it's like,
I need time out of that job

1537
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,040
because it's fully maximised
already to do any of this stuff.

1538
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,320
So I don't think it's pedantic.
Keep saying it's like, no, no,

1539
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,600
it's reasonable.
Absolutely.

1540
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,280
What are we on?
#20 baby no #19 I can't count.

1541
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,040
I'll read this one.
Go on.

1542
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040
Administration of medical
consent forms and administering

1543
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,720
of medication on a routine or
day-to-day basis.

1544
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,440
That's a really interesting one
because that's yeah, it's

1545
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:14,200
remember ages ago in an episode,
you were talking about how, and

1546
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,040
it does relate to this.
You were talking about how when

1547
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,520
you get a class, it is kind of
just potluck, right?

1548
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,400
You like, you could just have a
class of with eight children

1549
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600
with like really varying
different like SES, special

1550
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,280
educational needs in there and
another class just has none of

1551
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,720
that.
And you're like, well, obviously

1552
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,720
these children need an
education.

1553
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,840
I can't just like I'm not doing
that.

1554
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,200
You do just now have loads more
workload.

1555
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,600
It's sort of like there's an
awkward grey line of like.

1556
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,240
Administering medication, yeah,
that's like it's one thing what

1557
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,720
you're talking about, where
you've got to do.

1558
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,960
Something, a lesson all
differentiated by the way, is

1559
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,040
that you might not even have
that problem because you don't

1560
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,960
have any children in your class
that you don't need medication.

1561
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,760
Someone else might have five
children that need different

1562
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,360
medication.
So now you can go on to your

1563
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:52,640
point which.
Is no, I think you're absolutely

1564
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,040
right.
I think, but there is even a

1565
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,280
difference there.
Like that's annoying.

1566
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280
I've got to do a differentiated
sheet for this person

1567
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,800
specifically, maybe because
they've got sight problems,

1568
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,760
right?
You need to make stuff bigger

1569
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,800
for them.
Do you know what?

1570
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,800
I'm going to help that kid out,
whatever that is.

1571
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,120
That is my job at that point.
Now, this is not anything to do

1572
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,360
with this.
This kid needs help, and I'm

1573
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,960
obviously going to help them.
Yeah.

1574
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,280
Administrating medicine.
It's like, I can't get this

1575
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,560
wrong.
I've got 75 other things like,

1576
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,200
oh, God.
Like there should be a central

1577
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,440
person who knows the idea and I
should know, but I shouldn't be

1578
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,600
solely in charge.
Exactly.

1579
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,280
That I'm responsible for doing
it at the right time.

1580
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,240
That's the bit to me that that
would Wick me out if it was

1581
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,720
like, you just can't forget at
12:00, this kid just before

1582
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,960
lunch has to take this medicine
every day.

1583
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,240
The idea that if I forget to
administer that minister to

1584
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,480
them, it's it's my fault.
I'm like, Oh my God, like no, I

1585
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,200
don't want that response.
So spread the load and have

1586
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,080
someone who's like centrally.
Easy.

1587
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,840
I mean, it's our school again,
the loads of wins from our

1588
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,520
school to reflect on.
But at our school we have a

1589
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,800
member of staff, our family
liaison officer, yeah, who's

1590
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,560
just in charge of that stuff.
They have a, a centralised list

1591
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,720
of who needs what and when and
they go around and make sure it

1592
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,080
happens.
It's not on the class teacher,

1593
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,440
it's they.
They take that responsibility

1594
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,360
and it's way easier to manage.
But if you ask the class

1595
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,960
teacher, they would absolutely
know what's happening.

1596
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,120
And I think that's the perfect
middle, yeah.

1597
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,000
We have nice records there.
We have a really good system of

1598
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,080
showing this is what the kids
needs are in your classroom, a

1599
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,680
box of medical stuff.
It's all really well systemized,

1600
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,720
but it's easy.
To run and if you walked into

1601
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,840
any classroom in our school
you'd know where the box is for

1602
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,800
that class because it's in the
exact same place.

1603
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,120
Everyone's covered on the left
looks the same list of children

1604
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,440
on the front.
It's so well organised that as

1605
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,480
staff it does take that
cognitive load off and it is

1606
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,800
nice but also, you know, if
there's an emergency, what class

1607
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,080
are you in 5L, you know where to
go and get that medication

1608
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,280
straight away.
So it's really good, I think.

1609
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,960
Right, we're we're nearly at the
hour mark so.

1610
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,760
Four let's miss free 20 taking,
copying, distributing or typing

1611
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,720
up notes or producing 4 more
minutes.

1612
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,760
No one forces anyone to do that.
Someone maybe does it in a staff

1613
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,760
meeting.
Just doing a rotor, it's fine.

1614
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,160
Like you're already in the staff
meeting.

1615
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,200
So if you're doing it during the
staff meeting.

1616
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,120
I think that's about Bosch #21
producing class lists or

1617
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,000
physical copies of context
sheet.

1618
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,320
I don't think that we ever have
to do that.

1619
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,760
That's on lots of people's
electrical systems right now.

1620
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,480
I.
Don't know what it means.

1621
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,160
So it just means like you don't
need to produce a list of copies

1622
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,680
of context sheets.
I assume are things like

1623
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,680
children who are people, premium
children who are free school?

1624
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,440
Meals people to SEO OK like.
They're.

1625
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,880
Producing those lists of
details.

1626
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,440
All the details that's just on a
that should be on a centralised.

1627
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,840
Electronic, everyone knows, like
an accent.

1628
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Just click and print it I.
Hate I did have to memorise it

1629
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,440
as well.
I tell you that's something like

1630
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,320
that's hard or someone what
someone asks you who in your who

1631
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,440
in your class is people premium.
It's like, OK, give me 15

1632
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,880
seconds and I'll just look it up
Exactly.

1633
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,480
I'll just I'll remind myself
online and.

1634
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,200
There's a whole thing, maybe
we'll do a thing about people

1635
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,640
premium.
I think it's really important

1636
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,080
that these children get what
they need.

1637
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,280
But it also winds me up that
sometimes I, I want to do a

1638
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,520
group with six children because
six children need help.

1639
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,640
And I'm like, yeah, that's cool.
Have you checked these people

1640
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,840
premium?
I'm like, no, no, because these

1641
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,720
six kids just need help with
this thing right now.

1642
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,600
It's like, oh, maybe get some
more people premium in that

1643
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,600
group.
It's off.

1644
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,400
Like, I honestly, yeah, like,
right this second.

1645
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,680
Like they get so much stuff and
they should.

1646
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,920
But in this moment of me being a
teacher, wanting to help kids,

1647
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,880
you know what I'm thinking?
I'm thinking, who needs help

1648
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,600
with this objective?
Yeah, I'm not thinking what

1649
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,880
state financial situation was
this then like #22 Hayden, go.

1650
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,920
Keeping and filing paper or
electronic records and data.

1651
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,520
It's almost the same.
As EG in school management

1652
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,680
systems or physical office
files.

1653
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,360
I think doing stuff, lots of
stuff online helps with this, so

1654
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,120
moving online is the way to go
for that kind of thing.

1655
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,480
And the office being organised.
And the last one, last one, just

1656
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,880
as vague.
Just as vague though.

1657
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,680
Yeah, we did.
Actually what's happened is when

1658
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,080
this got put into the STCPD,
whatever it's called, it was

1659
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,560
almost added in examples.
There's no examples on this one

1660
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,400
still and it just says bulk
photocopying.

1661
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,800
I do bulk photocopying because
then I can do it for all of my

1662
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,200
forms with freeform entry.
So let's say I planned a history

1663
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,920
unit.
I can print it for all of the

1664
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,200
classes.
That's bulk.

1665
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,760
You don't need to print.
But then I don't need to print

1666
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,480
geography and I don't need to
print art because they found

1667
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,760
them.
So I I bulk file copying 10 plus

1668
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,200
mean 20 plus bits of paper.
So do I have 100?

1669
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Do I have to print for my class
every day or is that so?

1670
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,600
That's a vague 1.
I think printing stuff is part

1671
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,320
is part of your job.
I reckon they, I reckon they

1672
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,640
really struggle with that
because I reckon there is

1673
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,920
probably something somewhere.
In all of this to be to be like,

1674
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,920
well, what do teachers spend
loads of time doing that we

1675
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,080
probably shouldn't have to do
printing and photocopying stuff,

1676
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,680
but then it's really hard to
nail down.

1677
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,480
OK, precisely what should we say
they're not doing?

1678
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:02,760
Just keep it vague.
Do you know?

1679
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:03,800
What they should have said
instead?

1680
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,280
What chopping and trimming
sheets?

1681
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,440
Trimming sheets Get a folder or
a bigger book.

1682
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,680
Let's let's finish with this how
I've passed this to you before.

1683
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,720
How many sheets of paper do you
reckon you've trimmed in your

1684
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,520
life since being a teacher?
Do you know what I think it's

1685
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,120
coming.
I love do I think we should do

1686
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,120
we're going to put that as the
questions of this podcast yeah.

1687
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,120
So go to go if you're on Spotify
right now, go to the question.

1688
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,480
How many sheets of paper do you
think you've trimmed I drink.

1689
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,640
I need time to think I'm going.
Maybe we can start next episode

1690
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,560
of my actual prediction of
because it's scary I.

1691
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,600
Reckon at least 100 Not wrong.
I did 110 minutes deal, but I

1692
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,720
know it's insane, so yeah.
OK, so let's just summarise very

1693
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:46,920
quickly.
Hundreds of thousands.

1694
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,800
Sorry, I mean samurai.
Yeah, Samurai.

1695
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,200
So the point of this podcast, I
was going to say lesson like I

1696
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,280
always do.
The point of this podcast is to

1697
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,440
put the power into your hands.
You can choose to do extra work

1698
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,640
as a teacher, and you almost
certainly will choose to do

1699
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,920
extra work as a teacher because
they're the kind of people we

1700
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,680
are.
People who became teachers did

1701
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,920
it because they want to help.
But it is important to remember

1702
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,760
that it is a job.
Yeah, it's OK.

1703
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,000
Teaching is my calling.
It's a vocation.

1704
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,240
It's a vocation.
Do you know what I'm never going

1705
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,240
to turn around and say to
someone?

1706
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,880
No, it's not your vocation.
Of course it might be my.

1707
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,280
Response is always OK, Do it for
freedom.

1708
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,720
You're more, you're more
hardline.

1709
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,920
There's always that.
I was like, yeah, it's a job,

1710
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,080
isn't it?
You're doing it for money at the

1711
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,640
end of the day.
Course you are, so just remember

1712
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,280
that and when you're feeling
burnt out, if you're expected to

1713
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,040
do anything we said so far or
anything that really falls out

1714
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,320
of your directed time, just
cause that is gaslighting.

1715
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,240
I really do think it's
gaslighting when you're made to

1716
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,520
feel bad for not doing something
simply because of the job you

1717
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,680
chose to take.
Never ever in my life would I go

1718
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,600
to my accountant and say, oh,
can you just do my tax returns

1719
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,720
for me when I've got to, I've
got to get my tax returns done

1720
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,200
because you love it.
But you love accounting, don't

1721
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,640
you?
You like all these numbers are

1722
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,880
teasing numbers, numbers,
numbers.

1723
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,840
Obviously they charge me my time
to do stuff.

1724
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,840
So when you're a teacher, this
is your job.

1725
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,240
Don't be afraid to say no.
Put the ball in their court,

1726
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,120
give them a choice, make them
say we're breaking the rules.

1727
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,760
And then you can be like, oh,
you're breaking the rules.

1728
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,680
I've got a question for you just
to leave on, right, just to

1729
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,200
think about.
But can I answer it?

1730
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,000
You can answer it.
And it is kind of, again,

1731
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,120
precursor to an episode that I
clearly really want to do soon.

1732
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:27,360
How many of those 23 things do
you think your school has to be

1733
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,080
doing like wrong?
So they are still doing these

1734
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,760
things they shouldn't be doing
for it to be Clark, for you to

1735
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,360
be like worried that your school
is really toxic.

1736
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,920
How many of them?
I would say our school's not

1737
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,160
perfect.
I mean, there's probably one or

1738
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,240
two on there.
That they can improve that's.

1739
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,680
Completely normal.
I think our school's brilliant.

1740
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,160
Yeah, so clearly.
Doesn't I?

1741
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,520
You know what, I'm not even
gonna give you a number, right?

1742
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,240
Because a school could be doing
all 23 of these things.

1743
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,880
But if they look at this report
and say, wow, we need to change

1744
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,680
this and then are on the path to
changing it, yeah, I'd say

1745
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,120
that's not a toxic school.
They just on the wrong path.

1746
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,040
If Yeah, exactly that.
If people look at this and they

1747
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,240
still get wormy and trying to
get their way.

1748
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,600
Of course, we believe in all of
this, by the way.

1749
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,680
Get your thing done by Monday,
then.

1750
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Do you know what?
It's your attitude to this which

1751
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,680
determines whether your school's
toxic.

1752
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:09,520
Good point.
I like that.

1753
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,280
Let's leave it on that.
That's my worm way out of that.

1754
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,840
No, there's a really good
answer, to be fair.

1755
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:13,840
And the right answer.
Well done.

1756
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,640
That was what I wanted from you.
You passed the test.

1757
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,440
Excellent, guys.
We're gonna finish off there.

1758
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,840
If you're interested in shooting
with us, do get in touch.

1759
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,360
I will put a link down below and
you can find us on Instagram at

1760
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,960
Teach Sleep Repeat podcast.
You can find us on Blue Sky.

1761
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,520
Teach, Sleep, repeat.
Come along for the fun.

1762
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,960
We're here for a good time,
cool, and hopefully for a long

1763
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,280
time.
We are here for a good time.

1764
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,200
I can't be watching.
Dylan doesn't know what to say.

1765
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,640
So I'm gonna end the podcast
right now.

1766
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:35,920
Bye.