Ep 76: Controversial Teacher Opinions: Ditch Languages, Keep SATs & 4-Day School Weeks?

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Sleep

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
Welcome back, Hayden.

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Hayden.
I'm really good.

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Yeah, I'm really good.
It's interesting time of year.

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Why?
Oh, you know, we're going to

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talk about in a minute, but
we've had a big old summer

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holidays.
Aren't we big old summer

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holidays?
And this episode right now if

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you're listening on release date
is the day teachers in England

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and Wales I believe go back to
school.

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Scotland have been back for like
2.

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Weeks.
I don't know.

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Wales works in schools.
Get it?

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Yeah.
Yeah, unfortunately I do get it.

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That's you'll get a warmed up
idea for the awful kid jokes.

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Yeah, no else is it.
Dad jokes, mate, Dad jokes.

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Yeah, we're sat in Hayden's,
what should we call it?

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Studio.
Studio.

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We call it a studio.
Studio bedroom?

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Isn't that what it's called when
it's tiny?

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Too small to be a bedroom, so
it's a studio.

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We can't fit a bed near, we
can't fit a desk.

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So yeah.
And on his shelf he's got a

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really weird array.
Can we go through what's on your

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show?
Go for it.

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So we've got a a Lego Star Wars
figurine of Darth Vaders head.

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We've got a picture of daddy and
me with your daughter, which is

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really cute.
We've got the box of a fan for a

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PC.
Still got the fan in it, that's

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why it's there.
We've got right.

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We've got a Rubik's Cube, right?
Two things.

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Not only is it not three by
three, this Rubik's Cube, it's

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4x4 as as if, as if three by
three, it's below you.

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You're three by three.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not, not, not solved, not
solved.

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Can't solve it.
And it's inside of like a glass

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Dome, as if like it's on
display.

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Like look what I've done.
I've mixed up a 4 by 4.

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You've never solved it.
What?

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There's some kind of trophy.
Do you know there's trophies

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that are just like a glass
block, but the lasers kind of

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etching something in the middle?
Let me read it.

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Bayford Meadows.
Yeah.

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It's got the phone number that's
bigger than anything on how to

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contact them, a picture of a go
Kart and it says first place.

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That means I What's the word?
That means I won.

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You did?
I did?

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Yeah.
Professional race.

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OK.
You've got a model car, which

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just looks like a Hot Wheels
thing.

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Yeah, a child got me that this
year.

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Well, that's pretty cute anyway.
A gift.

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Because I know like cars.
I thought that's pretty cute.

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A A wooden model of a what I
only imagine is a mother and

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father with a baby.
What on earth is that?

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Lauren got me.
That OK, well I said to my I

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won't say anything else and a
couple of plastic plants, not

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even bothered with any real
plants.

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And you didn't even mention the
dad.

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The dad jokes book.
No, no, I was going to get

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around to that.
But the plastic plants I wanted

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to focus on because.
Oh, I've got an electric car, I

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said.
But you've got a, you've got two

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plastic plants.
Listen, listen, all right?

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I'm thinking of a comeback so
give me some time as to why

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plastic plants are great but.
Anyway, yeah, Dad jokes up

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there.
Maybe at the end of this

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episode.
Saves the water.

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We're good still thinking we're
going to open up at around a

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page and do some dad jokes.
You can get some ready for your

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children when they come back.
Do you know what?

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There is a 9000% chance we'll
forget to do that.

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Yep.
So that's good.

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So listen to the end and you
won't hear that.

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Absolutely right.
Anyone listening who's a new

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listener because Hayden, bit of
a reflection straightaway that

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there's been a really good
uptake of listeners to this

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podcast in our last.
Week, thank you everyone.

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Numbers have been consistently
crazy.

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Like normally we released an
episode, obviously there's a big

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spike and then people kind of
drip drab.

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Either people are catching up
with old episodes or we a brand

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new whole base of people
listening.

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Return customers new.
Customers, exactly.

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That's great.
New customers and return

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customers who we've never made a
dime off.

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And never go and buy our merch.
Yeah, go and buy a merch in our

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non existent merch store.
But one thing I did do because

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I'm awful at organisation.
Stop there.

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You're awful.
Because I'm awful at organising

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is, you know, we're on Threads,
Instagram, we're on blue sky

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now.
There's a million ways to get

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hold of it.
What is blue sky?

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Sorry, just quickly it's
basically it's basically Twitter

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but isn't run by an absolute
idiot who doesn't care.

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About what's posting.
On platform, yeah, there's no

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like horrible algorithm which
just tries to get eyes on the

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screen and just gets people back
up and it's like, oh, it doesn't

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matter.
It doesn't matter what, you know

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why there's interest in the site
as long as there's interest.

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So people are angry and tweeting
stuff that's just nonsense and

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arguing with each other that's
great from their point of view.

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Whereas Blue Sky, apparently
it's been opened and ran by the

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guy who sold Twitter, Jack.
Jack Guy.

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No, Yeah.
Oh, no wonder.

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Apparently it's basically like
old school Twitter.

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No like algorithms pushing
horrible stuff.

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You follow people and you
actually see what they post.

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That's what an ultimate business
move, right?

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Imagine making Twitter and then
be like, I'm going to sell it

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genuinely, I'm going to sell it
to a moron because, because, and

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then when it all goes to crap,
I'll just, I'll just make

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Twitter again and then I'll have
I'll have the money and the

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company again.
And what's so funny is the logo

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for this new one.
It's the exact same as the

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Twitter logo colour, right?
So it's light blue with the

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white animal.
He's just changed the bird for a

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butterfly.
Yeah, yeah.

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So funny, brilliant, genius I.
Love it so yeah blue sky, I am

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loving it if you're not on blue
sky get on now and follow us at

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THT repeat Hayden, you made your
own blue sky account.

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I know because you thought you
wanted a look.

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Yeah, I did mention you other
day.

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Probably not seen it I've.
Been on the app apart from that

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one time at midnight when I made
the account.

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So what I've done basically
though, I've created a Google

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form.
So anyone listening, you know,

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if you've got a specialism, you
love education, and you've got

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something you really want to
talk about, if you ever thought

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about coming onto the podcast,
fill out this form.

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So we'll put it in the
description to this episode.

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We'll go and find it on Blue Sky
as well.

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And we've had a few people fill
out already.

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We're going to get some people
on the podcast in the future.

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We can't guarantee everyone of
course, and if it fits in with

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what we want to talk about
anyway, even better.

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But yeah, go and fill it in.
And because the great thing is,

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I don't think any platform does
this anymore.

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Facebook kills links.
X kills links.

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If you post a link to anything
that takes them off the site.

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Oh God, no.
It's the worst thing ever.

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You couldn't possibly leave our
site for 10 seconds.

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No, sorry, I just whacked the
desk and in rage.

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But, but Blue Sky doesn't kill
links, it seems.

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So I can post links to the
podcast on Blue Sky and the post

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doesn't see it.
Yeah, it's lovely.

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It's cool, it's mad, it's
actually mental.

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Isn't, if you think about it for
a second, how how obsessed all

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those other sites go with
anything that takes them off the

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site.
No one sees it anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, because all
they care about is eyes on the.

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Screen have you noticed that
like just think about it if you

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look at any like big page on
Facebook, they net they always

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do it in the first comment,
don't they?

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Yeah so like check the comments
for the link and I'm just like

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what's why have they made it so
that everyone has to do this

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stupid way around it?
Just let them post the link.

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Yeah, it's insane, absolutely
insane.

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And and they make it so when you
click the link, it's like some

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in app browser doesn't even take
you to Yeah, it's just like some

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awful experience.
So that when you press back it

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goes back to Facebook like it's
not.

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Whatever, that's all they care.
I just thought anyway that we

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could reflect in some holidays
because obviously listening very

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likely you're at least being
back for a week or two.

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Let us know how that's going.
But most people listening are

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about to go back or listening to
this the morning they're going

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back.
Might be an inset day.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, might not be.

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So basically I want to reflect
on the summer really quickly

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because it got me thinking all
year.

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I'm kind of an advocate for not
minding if they were to change

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to some holidays.
So there's always this chat as

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it comes up to some holidays
that it's six weeks long.

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It's quite archaic.
Working patterns are different

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now.
Lots of parents both work.

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Six weeks is a long time to have
your children back at home.

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Should you strip it back maybe
to four weeks and and maintain

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the amount of time off?
All our listeners just left.

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Yeah, no, no, it's not that
popular, but I didn't mind it

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always.
But maintain the time off, have

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two weeks, put them, give
yourself an extra week off in

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October maybe because the first
few terms are always dead long.

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Put the other week somewhere
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And I've always been like, yeah,
do you know what?

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That's that's a decent idea.
I don't mind that at all.

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As a PER, I was like, yeah, OK,
I get less summer, Summer's

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really cool.
Then I get through summer and

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I'm now five weeks in with only
like a week or even half a week

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left when we're recording this.
And I'm like, oh God, no, please

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don't know.
Please don't know this because I

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don't know about you.
How much work have you got left?

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So much stuff to do, so much
stuff to do we'll talk about in

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a second.
Actually, I think our work pads

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were different this year for the
first time in a long time and we

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can just reflect on it.
But I guess just think about

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your point.
I'm not, I'm not totally against

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the idea of changing summer
because I do hate those one week

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half terms off.
Like they they're not a break.

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They're not a break.
You get a couple of days really

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because you've got to do work.
So I wouldn't, if someone said

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to me, OK, we're going to take a
couple of weeks out of summer,

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but we'll make sure that every
school holiday is at least two

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weeks, I'll be like, OK, I can
see, I can see something in

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that.
But other than that, I don't

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know.
Summer holidays are summer

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holidays are nice.
They are good to have.

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Yeah, and six, six weeks sounds
like a long time and I'm not

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listen, I'm not being
ungrateful.

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Six weeks is more than most
people get off all year like it

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is great, but those those weeks
in are incredibly intense.

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I'd.
Like to know how people spend

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because I bet, I bet there's a
huge variation of like how

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people, how teachers and school
staff spend that some of those

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so.
What do you normally do and what

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have you done this year?
You said it was.

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Different.
So just think about the last

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like five years, right?
If you've been listening to this

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for a while, you know, me and
Dylan have got a business and

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over the last six years we've
been building that business.

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And the downsides of building a
business when you're when you

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have a full time job as well, at
least we did for the first four

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years, is you do have to find
time elsewhere, like weekends

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and holidays to do it.
So I found the last like five

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years before we had kids.
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like the whole summer just just
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never really have a proper
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come on, let's have an actual
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Like we minimised as much as
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we did in the summer holidays
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we've we've got this.
We did the last week of summer.

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So the week we're recording now
we're going to do everything.

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I couldn't be more stressed and
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At the moment, this is always

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the argument when people say, do
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yeah, take your holidays off.
Just take, don't do work in the

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holidays.
And I'm that kind of person

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who'll say that.
But if you're in the wrong

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environment or maybe if you're
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teacher, never mind the wrong
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that we do have work to do
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So like we know that that's part
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We understand that we can
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acceptable, blah, blah, blah.
But then when someone says don't

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do anything, it's like, OK, next
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lessons there.
Can I turn up with no planning?

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Exactly.
So I've obviously got to do

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something.
Go home.

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Don't stop marking.
It's 5:00.

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Go home.
Are you going to moan at me on

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Monday if my markings not done?
Yes, Yes, it needs to be done.

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We've got a booklet.
OK, but so can I stay and do it?

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No, no, go home.
It's policy.

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You've got to be out by 4.
When?

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When can I do the marking then?
Don't worry about that marking.

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I'll close my eyes when you take
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How about that?
Go and enjoy your weekend

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marking there instead.
Yeah, honestly not in my

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building.
I want to close up and go home.

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Yeah, so I wonder what people's
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I'd love to know what people do
in the summer holidays, how they

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actually spread out their work,
because we all know we've got

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work.
How do you do it?

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I would say the enjoyment for
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even five weeks of this summer
holiday was probably outweighs

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my stress right now.
Yeah, justify.

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I can, I can take the stress now
because I'm like call, we went

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away.
We did stuff, but before we

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especially now we've got the
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And Hayden will do the work.
Yeah, Hayden did the last.

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Time.
We've done all of it.

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Yeah, yeah.
But.

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No, I agree.
I fully agree.

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Even though I'm quite stressed
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I'm just remembering the lovely
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before that.
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And you're talking about kind of
our position of where we have

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other stuff to work.
But if you were to take that out

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and say if there's just
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be fine because we'd just be
doing it now, you know, in the

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same way that we'd be doing it
in the middle of term.

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Treat your start of September
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You know what I mean?
You can get ahead on stuff, but

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in general I don't worry too
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Yeah, let's know, do you have
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the summer and kind of like had
it all the way through or have

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you also dedicated some time to
do work and had an actual?

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Break I've got one question
before we get into the bulk of

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this episode, OK?
Because as you know, clicking on

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this episode, we're going to
talk about unpopular teacher

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opinions.
I can't wait for this because

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we've harvested real opinions.
Just quickly, you know, there's

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a ongoing meme of like our notes
of the episode.

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We're at the end of the note
now, so we're 11 minutes in.

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There's nothing else.
But that's because I know we

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have so many and this is really
cool because it's from external

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all.
Quite often this pod is me and

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you.
Sometimes it's a bit echo

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chamberry.
Well, yeah, of course you should

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be lovely because I planned it.
Yeah, of course.

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Yeah, literally.
But we're really gonna do some

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external opinions and give our
thoughts on them.

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But I wanted to ask you one
question before we get started

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because it is the start of the
year.

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What are you looking forward to
most as a teacher who's about to

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start September again?
Genuine question.

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I know we could joke and laugh.
Oh, it's rubbish.

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I see a lot of negativity.
We're quite actually passionate

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about teaching and we are quite
positive on this podcast.

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So what are you looking forward
to sometimes?

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Genuine first thing that came to
my head, probably the one you're

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expecting meeting the kids that
like literal that first morning

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when they're all sat there
really silent because I always

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are on the first because I don't
know you yet and all there and I

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and I just and I think the first
time I make them all smile,

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that's it.
That moment where I've captured

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to them and they're like, oh,
he's actually not horrible.

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And I capture that moment.
That's it.

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That's the bit I'm most looking
forward to.

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Beautiful.
That's all I want to say.

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Same for you, I reckon.
Exactly the same, yeah.

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I'm really looking forward to
build a relationships with them.

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And the one thing I was going to
say to people listening is I'm

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going to make it 2 aims this
year, OK?

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One is I'm going to talk about
well-being a lot.

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I'm going to we're going to
champion that throughout the

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podcast.
Yeah, in general and online and

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championing people taking
control because sometimes it's

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out of control of SLT, but
sometimes it's within our

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control.
Yep, taking control of what we

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can actually do or.
At least as much as you can,

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even if.
You're a barrier.

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Exactly.
And a big thing right now I want

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to tell to teachers is about
being strict because I would

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like to redefine strict and, and
kind of there's a stigma around

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strict because I think every
teacher should be strict, every

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single teacher.
Should be really strict.

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You need to define strict.
Exactly because people hear that

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and they're like, what?
The strict equals mean exactly?

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And it does not have to strict.
All strict should mean is you

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have really set boundaries and
you constantly stick to them.

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Yep, regardless.
You are strict on your.

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Boundaries.
You're consistent.

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And I think I want to say to
everyone right now, do that from

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the start.
Be consistent.

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Be strict.
It's hard because it's easy to

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falter and let something go.
Do it constantly.

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Do it all week.
Be nice, smile lovely, make the

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children laugh.
Enjoy yourself, but be strict.

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Yeah, be really, really harsh on
those and those routines.

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You'll be thankful in a few
weeks when you build them.

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No, I think that's very good
advice.

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Very good advice.
Anyone starting the year?

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We did an episode, didn't we,
where we talked.

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About it, yeah, But I just want
to simplify it because I see

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people going all oh, God, she's
a strict teacher.

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It's like, yeah, cool, let's
talk about other things.

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What you mean is your child
doesn't go on with that teacher.

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Or you mean that teacher's
horrible, which are two separate

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things.
Yeah, they're always negative.

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Obviously it's bad, yeah, but do
you know what?

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Some of my favourite teachers at
school were extremely strict,

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but I liked them.
Yeah.

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So we're going to try and make
strict positive.

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Ones.
Yeah, exactly.

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Make it positive, Yeah, why not?
Champion well-being make strict

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positive.
Yeah, and have a laugh on the

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way.
Join us for the ride.

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Follow.
Why not follow this podcast?

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Why not leave us a review?
Oh wow, wouldn't it?

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Where can.
They do that.

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Any platform we're listening on,
we're getting more and more now

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and when I set review, five star
would be good.

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It would be good when he did
this one time when someone.

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Someone gave us a really genuine
4 star review and we were like

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and.
It was a really nice four-star

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review.
We can't complain.

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It was four-star review and the
title was best education

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podcast.
And I was like, OK, what would I

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have to do to get to a five
star?

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It's.
Not the best podcast, is it?

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That's why.
Right, let's play the Jingle.

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Let's get into these teacher
opinions.

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Controversial, right, context.
I've got a whole bunch of

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controversial teacher opinions.
What I did was I posted a meme

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online, a picture, and it's that
one from, I think it's from

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Tangled, right, where the main
character, the bloke is stood

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there like with a smiley grin
and there's just like 100 swords

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pointing at him.
And I said, what's your opinion

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on teaching that has people like
this?

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So it's something where it's it,
this might cause a ruckus, but

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what we can do is I've forgotten
them.

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I'm not going to lie, this was a
couple of weeks ago.

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You've never seen them before.
So I'm going to make some random

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comments I.
Didn't know we had social media.

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We do have social media.
You can follow us on Instagram,

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Teach the Repeat podcast, by the
way, just saying, or follow us

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on Blue Sky, Teach the Repeat.
But yeah, So what we're going to

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do is we're going to say the
unpopular opinion based on how

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many likes it's got as well.
So if it's a popular unpopular

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opinion, if that makes any sense
at all, and then we're going to

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chat about it, what we think.
And actually, that's a paradox.

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It's actually a paradox chat.
Yeah.

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And then we'll kind of see where
we stand.

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Can I just check one thing is,
is this a ruse?

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Like is this all like a facade
and you have you just want a way

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to say all the things you hate?
Is that what it is?

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Or is this?
Real.

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No, no, no, this is real.
I promise.

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You can go to our Instagram and
see it for yourself.

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OK, so I'm going to start off
with this one.

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A four day week for teachers and
kids combined with shorter

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holidays is something really
worth considering and could be

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incredibly positive.
Shorter holidays, but shorter

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weeks, yeah.
Exactly that.

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Exactly that.
So less whole weeks off?

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Yeah, but each week is shorter.
I think on the surface it might

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sound that might sound like a
bad deal, but I feel like we've

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maybe thought about this before
and I think that's a good deal.

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Why I think more regular time
off it just, it just like saves

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you from burnout.
It's just one step further away

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from burning out every single
week.

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Like we don't tend to feel in
teaching like Friday.

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Think about how much of A slog
Friday is back when we used to

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work, you know, for.
Part time now, but but we can

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talk about the fact we moved
part time, Yeah.

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And it did have such an effect
in our.

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Life.
Oh my God, yeah, I'm so much.

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I mean, not anymore because of
our children, but we keep

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replacing the stress with
working children.

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But yeah.
But there are people out there

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who are working full time.
They didn't with kids.

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I know, I know yeah, yeah.
So we can just cancel those out.

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Definitely an advocate for that.
I think that's a good I don't

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think people would like it.
I think people would be lies in

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non teachers and.
Knowledge.

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That's why it's in the.
Public bloody teachers, they

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already get all this time off or
what they need, why are they

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changing it?
Just work a full week like the

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rest of us.
That's that's what you'd get and

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I don't think you'd go anywhere.
And you know what it would end

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up being right.
It would genuinely end up being

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you work Monday, Tuesday,
Thursday, and you just do that

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planning you did in your own
time magically on the Friday.

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Yeah, almost turn into just a
normal week off.

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Yeah.
Basically that's what a lot of

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people who go for four days a
week say they're like, yeah,

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it's brilliant.
I took a hit on my pay and it's

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00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,560
brilliant.
But it means I can get my work

453
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,920
done in a reasonable time on
Friday and have the weekend and

454
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,319
then have the weekend and have a
weekend.

455
00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:17,680
So by by doing this, what you're
actually doing is unlocking your

456
00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:18,880
weekend for a lot of teaching.
But.

457
00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,000
People wouldn't understand that,
so we'd all see that anyone that

458
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,560
knows the nuances of teaching
would be like, oh, this is good

459
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,200
because we already do six days
of work for five days pay.

460
00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,720
So let's do four days of work
and then the 5th day that

461
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,800
everyone thinks we're off swan
and around, we'll actually just

462
00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,280
do the work that we would be
doing on the weekend.

463
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,560
So it's still a normal week.
Yeah, I think, I think, I think

464
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,200
it's a nice idea.
I think the biggest problems

465
00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,920
going to be childcare, but I
think there's some opinions that

466
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:42,520
are.
That is true.

467
00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,920
That's actually a really good
point, yeah.

468
00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,760
But but is it though?
Because how many parents work on

469
00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,320
Saturday and Sunday?
We're not going to open on

470
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,360
Saturday and Sunday, Yeah.
But it's less common, isn't it,

471
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,720
like you mentioned earlier?
But it's less common, our

472
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,480
culture, very less common.
Yeah, Friday, though.

473
00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,640
Yeah, if it's like one day,
well, if you're working from

474
00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,200
home and stuff, that's why.
If you look at absences, the

475
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,800
number of children absent on a
Friday rockets compared to the

476
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000
rest of the week because that's
that's the day parents are home.

477
00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:05,320
It's funny.
True.

478
00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,080
So parents are more likely to be
like, Oh yeah, OK, how about

479
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,000
that?
I'd be interested to see the

480
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,680
stats of that.
I still reckon yeah, hugely

481
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,040
outweighted because we've built
a whole culture around, yeah,

482
00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,240
weekends and weekdays.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

483
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,080
I think it's shifting though.
And I think unless you

484
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,080
proactively shift it, it's
always going to be an issue.

485
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,040
So something needs to be done.
I quite like that opinion.

486
00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,080
What would you rate out of 10?
Rate out of 10.

487
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,520
Yeah, 10 out of 10 is like I
absolutely.

488
00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,280
Agree with this.
What about like controversially

489
00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,560
like out of 10?
No, no, no.

490
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,080
I'm just saying you a.
Person, I would give that that's

491
00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,600
a strong one.
Nine out of 10 I really, really

492
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,800
like.
That OK talk point.

493
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,920
I've got one linked here.
School hours in general each day

494
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,320
are too long.
We can get it all done in less

495
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,480
time.
So we basically keep kids in

496
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,280
school because society has
turned us into daycares.

497
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,760
But what about working parents?
This is where it's

498
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,640
controversial.
What about them?

499
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,920
Raise your own kids.
Wow, that's interesting.

500
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,120
I think OK, let's jump to the
controversial bit 1st and sorry

501
00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,520
if I keep jumping in, you can
jump in as well, but that that

502
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,440
bit about raise, I don't know, I
don't like that bit.

503
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,440
I don't agree with that because
I'm like, OK, but they they

504
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,800
can't just quit.
They need we work for money and

505
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,360
those people aren't working like
for a laugh.

506
00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:12,720
And it's like, I don't want to
raise my kids.

507
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,280
I'd rather go to work.
No, they need to go to work to

508
00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,120
pay for life.
It's not 1980 where you could

509
00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:19,920
live on one income anymore.
Yeah, yeah.

510
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,880
Yeah, lots of families need two
incomes.

511
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,440
Yeah, so lots of families rely
on school to look.

512
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,000
After that's a slightly unfair
comment.

513
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,760
I can see from the government's
perspective of like, you know,

514
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,320
oh, we just want to be daycares,
but I don't know, I think that's

515
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,320
that's a bit too far down the
old tin hat route for me of like

516
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,800
what what school is.
I think really what's happened

517
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,680
is we're just too competitive
and we need to be the best in

518
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,320
the world.
And because China are performing

519
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,360
us and everything we need to do,
we think that more is better.

520
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,400
We've had that discussion before
that where we kind of said just

521
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,760
doing more school doesn't
actually necessarily result in

522
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,240
like being better at the stuff.
Do you?

523
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,800
Remember after COVID when it was
a big push like let's extend the

524
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,560
school day and almost every
teacher to a tee was like, I'm

525
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,080
like are you joking?
It won't help.

526
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,560
Yeah, it's already too much.
So I do kind of agree with.

527
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,040
I do think school days are too
long.

528
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,040
Yeah, completely.
I think when I see kids flagging

529
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,440
at like half one 2:00 like quite
often like most of the kids do.

530
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,520
And honestly, I reckon the like
efficiency of that their like

531
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,720
their learning ability at that
point is so low.

532
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:15,960
I just think Nah And it's never,
it's like it's not a surprise,

533
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,440
is it that I quite often find
that after a short half time

534
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,880
break or something like that,
the kids seem to remember the

535
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,840
like the things we taught in
that last week really well

536
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,480
because you haven't crammed 5000
other things on top after that.

537
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,680
You've actually just gone home
and had a week to consolidate

538
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,680
the thing you last learned.
So I do, I actually think this

539
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:33,720
is more when it comes to
learning.

540
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,960
I'm quite an advocate, advocate
of that anyway.

541
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:38,480
Do you know the only way that
can happen?

542
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,200
Go on easy if the curriculum is
massively.

543
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:41,720
Yeah, I was going to say, I was
going to ask your opinion.

544
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,480
Do you even think we could
shorten days?

545
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,880
Currently, absolutely not, no.
Currently we've done a whole

546
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,920
podcast about this and one of
our most popular podcasts

547
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,480
actually is, is, is the school
timetable fit for purpose?

548
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,760
And the answer is absolutely no,
because you physically can't

549
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,000
meet the demands of the
curriculum.

550
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,840
I had a really interesting chat
on Blue Sky actually about this.

551
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,320
I said, what would you cut if
you could from the curriculum?

552
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,160
So I think we all accept it's a
bloated curriculum.

553
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,960
What would you cut if you could?
And there were two schools of

554
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,160
thought and it really got me
really interested because I

555
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,280
completely agree with both of
them.

556
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,920
The first school of thought was
it is indeed bloated.

557
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,120
There's so much we can get rid
of, especially maths and GPS.

558
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,320
They were the two people went
to.

559
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,560
And I was like, yeah, because
you know what, we do a lot of

560
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,280
maths and a lot of English and
we don't need to go as far as we

561
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,600
do.
And GPS was the one highlighted

562
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,760
for English.
Completely agree.

563
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,320
There is so much of that which
children just simply don't need

564
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,280
to know by the time they're 11.
And I agree with the maths as

565
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,560
well.
Things like of Roman numerals

566
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,840
get out, get out of the
curriculum.

567
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,440
It's it's a nice, cool thing.
I don't think children need to

568
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,280
know what D represents, but it's
on their ten.

569
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,240
I think it's so low on the list
of priorities when we've got

570
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,680
children who go to year six and
they can't 22 digit numbers

571
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,240
properly.
So I think there's you could

572
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,120
have a huge kind of scheme of
that.

573
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,760
But the other side of the coin,
and I was like, do you know

574
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,360
what?
You're absolutely right.

575
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:56,240
And this is something teachers
need to work on is if you

576
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,480
actually look at the curriculum
for the foundation subjects,

577
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,840
we've said it a million times.
They're like two sides long

578
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,920
history.
So when we're saying there's too

579
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,480
much to fit in for history,
there's too much to fit in for

580
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,560
geography, a lot of the time
it's self-inflicted.

581
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,120
We're saying the scheme we
brought in is too much.

582
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,520
Precisely, that's what we're
saying.

583
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,160
Exactly.
And those people said, you know

584
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,560
what we could do instead of
massively trying to trim down

585
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,880
the curriculum.
A lot of work has been done

586
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,000
since 2014 when the new
curriculum came in by

587
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,480
specialists who've looked at
this curriculum and have adapted

588
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,800
things and have said, OK, you
only need to do this.

589
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,200
A lot of schemes have come in
and bloated what you need to

590
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,840
cover, whereas a lot of people
and specialists have said, no,

591
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,000
no, look, have the curriculum in
front of you.

592
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,160
And that's the best piece of
advice I got from that, from

593
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,840
that thread, was whatever you're
doing, have the curriculum in

594
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,840
front of you and just ask
yourself, do I need to do this

595
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,160
now?
One of the big drawbacks, yeah,

596
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,720
One of the big drawbacks of that
was though, that even that these

597
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,000
people said themselves, it can
become quite dry if you really

598
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:48,880
strip it back.
Yeah.

599
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,120
But if you think about the
average primary school

600
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,040
curriculum, maybe 10 years ago,
yeah, when this curriculum came

601
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,120
in, it was kind of the
amalgamation of 20 years of

602
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,120
teachers being like, that's a
nice activity.

603
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,520
Let's do a let's do a mask.
What the.

604
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,400
Maybe the Vikings would have
worn this kind of hat.

605
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,320
Let's build a Viking longship.
Together.

606
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:07,760
Yeah.
Yeah.

607
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:09,920
How much of the curriculum is
that hitting?

608
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,640
It's probably not hitting any of
the art curriculum.

609
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,320
It's probably not actually
hitting any of the DT

610
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,960
curriculum.
And it's probably not really

611
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,840
hitting the history curriculum
because you're not going through

612
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960
the themes, you're not looking
at the process practise.

613
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,440
Yeah.
And, and there's, there's,

614
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,320
there's reasons why you might
want to do that.

615
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,480
But their point was if our job
is to deliver the curriculum,

616
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,880
we're actually bloating
ourselves in the afternoon.

617
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,080
And we've gone through this
process ourselves of looking at

618
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,360
your afternoon curriculum and
thinking actually we could do

619
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,040
half of.
This yeah, we have become

620
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,640
obsessed, I think as a culture
and it is like a like a self

621
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,800
fulfilling prophecy almost like
we've convinced ourselves at how

622
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,120
important it is when it's not
of, of feeling like we have to

623
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,360
do all the subjects all the
time.

624
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,480
And I genuinely don't see a
problem.

625
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,960
Like, you know, a lot of school
timetables will be like every

626
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,800
term or every two terms at the
absolute most.

627
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,120
We need to have done a whole
like unit in every subject.

628
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,880
And I'm like, is there really a
problem in primary school with

629
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,360
just halving that?
OK.

630
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,000
Oh no, we did.
We did history two times this

631
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,440
year rather than four
completely.

632
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Is it really a problem?
If you actually got what I'd

633
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,920
love to do one day?
It'd be so cool.

634
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,720
In my imaginary world here is
just sit down, right, Scrap the

635
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,440
entire curriculum, but just go
to the end point of year six.

636
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Everyone like just have some
massive agreement on where do we

637
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,800
want kids to actually be at the
end of year six when they finish

638
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,440
primary school and just work
backwards from there because I

639
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,080
think we could call so much.
Would you also work backwards

640
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,480
from how much time you want to
spend in school, or would you

641
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,040
let that change as well?
I'd let it change, Yeah, I'd let

642
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,760
that change definitely.
But I think we'd naturally find

643
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,600
that we could shorten massively
because, you know, I'm a massive

644
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,280
advocate for maths.
And so you like, we love

645
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,480
teaching maths is our favourite
thing.

646
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,840
But I would, I would cut that
down by like 30% immediately.

647
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,960
If, if we can't do it because
because all the constraints that

648
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,040
actually exist in reality, we
can't do that.

649
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,600
But you could realistically,
like you said, just cull a bunch

650
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,920
of maths objectives, push just
them back further, because they

651
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,560
don't.
Do they need to know the basics

652
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,200
of algebra in year six?
Really.

653
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,280
We've got children learning
algebra in year six who I

654
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,320
honest, honest to God don't
really understand what a decimal

655
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,600
is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

656
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,360
And it's like, oh, these.
Kids are going to go to

657
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,240
secondary school and we're going
to be using money.

658
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Yes, but they've got loads of
service level knowledge of stuff

659
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,840
that's abstract to them and
knowledgeable.

660
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,560
Do you know what they can do?
They can answer this sad

661
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,200
question really well.
Do they learn trigonometry

662
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,520
before they can double?
It's like, OK, all right, yeah,

663
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,600
we could absolutely just
completely call it same of

664
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,120
English, harder to do English, I
think, because it's way more

665
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,000
subjective.
Yeah, and I think comprehension,

666
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,640
I think, do you know what I
think it's actually quite good

667
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,640
comprehension.
I think the the the different

668
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,640
kind of genres that we have to
look at the, the kind of level

669
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,680
of questioning.
Yeah, I think it's a good thing

670
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,960
personally.
But I think GPS is nonsense.

671
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,120
I think the way we do writing is
complete nonsense.

672
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,000
It's the level we have to reach
for writing is insane.

673
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,920
Have more creativity, have more
fun, have more vocab

674
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,240
discussions.
I don't care if you haven't used

675
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,760
this specific clause in a very
specific tense.

676
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,600
I don't know how we got to the
point.

677
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,560
I'd love to find the point in
history where we got to the

678
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,960
moment where it was unanimously
agreed that by the end of year

679
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,960
six you need to be a perfect
writer because it is perfection.

680
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Like anyone that I'll challenge
anyone on that.

681
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,800
You have to be a perfect writer
by the end of year six to be

682
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,520
expected.
I.

683
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,480
Know I know so well they can
have one thing it's like okay,

684
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,360
do you mean like so can I put
spelling?

685
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,040
No no no no.
It has to be 1 spelling rule

686
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,800
they get wrong.
Constantly.

687
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,600
And also, yeah, that's like a
particular weakness and that

688
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,800
only works with a few things.
They couldn't have that like

689
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,440
full stops.
Yeah, of course.

690
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,280
But even if it's like even when
they get stuff wrong, it's like,

691
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,560
yeah, okay, they have to get it
all right all the time.

692
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,480
So okay, but they do have to be
really secure still and doing it

693
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,680
and it just, it just has to be
like a silly mistake.

694
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,680
So it's like they still have to
be perfect writers that just

695
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,400
make the occasional.
I think, I think all of this

696
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920
feeds into the, the idea that
teachers work is never done.

697
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,280
You could, you could always fill
another hour.

698
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,600
So if the government did say
it's an hour longer now, do you

699
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,880
know what schools, schools might
be like, oh, no, don't do that.

700
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,560
But if they did do it, we'd be
like, we'd fill it in.

701
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,320
Well, actually, you know, we can
do that immediately because we

702
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840
will find a way to do it.
And I think what needs to happen

703
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,560
is from both ends.
I think the, the government are

704
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,840
looking at a new curriculum.
Don't add stuff to it.

705
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,160
Please.
Please do not add anything to

706
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,920
it.
Maybe redefine the aims.

707
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,840
Maybe if you're going to add
some stuff where it needs, like

708
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,640
in creativity, arts, music, you
know, sport, exercise, if you're

709
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,040
going to add that stuff, please
don't just add it like it's

710
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320
always happened and just expect
us to kind of make it work.

711
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,520
Make it work and decide
ourselves.

712
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,480
That's a great one.
Really good discussion point.

713
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,480
I'll give that also a nine out
of 10.

714
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,640
I'm reserving 10.
OK.

715
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,000
But of your agreement or just
you like that opinion, I.

716
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:23,960
Just really like that.
OK, cool.

717
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,120
That was a really good
discussion point and I think

718
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,720
very controversial.
OK, I've got a couple.

719
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,760
This one, I love this one.
I think this is me reading by

720
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,960
the way.
I think the Sats are a good

721
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,360
thing.
OK, you go first.

722
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,120
I completely agree and this is
very unpopular and there'll be

723
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,840
people listening right now
wanting to turn off.

724
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960
Please don't let me let me let
me explain to you what I mean.

725
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,680
I think it's a good thing to see
where children are in their

726
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,640
learning journey, especially
when it comes to finishing a key

727
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,600
stage.
I think looking at the end of

728
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,320
key stage two, I don't think
it's bad immediately,

729
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,600
automatically to put a test in
front of the children.

730
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:10,280
What is awful is the current
environment and what lots of

731
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,480
schools put children through and
the way it's immensely harshly

732
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,840
judged and the way it affects
how you deliver.

733
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Honestly, all of year six and
for a lot of schools year 3-4

734
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,080
and five as well, I think it
becomes the driving force for a

735
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,480
lot of schools.
It's all all schools care about

736
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,840
when they're planning is OK.
Well, what's the end goal of

737
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,240
Sats though?
If you looked at the Sats, do

738
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,680
you understand the Sats inside
out?

739
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,960
Because in year four, do you
know what?

740
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,440
You don't actually have to teach
this, which is really cool and

741
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,960
interesting and you can talk
about themes and genres in this

742
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,720
way.
That's awesome.

743
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,880
No, no, cut that back because we
need to do this very explicit

744
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,440
GPS thing and we need to nail it
by year four because by Year 5

745
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,520
they're going to do something
else and by.

746
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,560
When the test becomes past
aggressive and they don't know

747
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,800
what past is, we don't know how
we're going to.

748
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Build on it exactly.
So what I would say is I agree

749
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920
in itself that there is nothing
wrong with testing children at

750
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,680
the end of year six.
I think it's actually a good

751
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,760
thing to put a test in front of
children when they're 11 and say

752
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,400
to them you're going to do tests
when you're older.

753
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Let's just see what you can do.
But I think a lot of work has to

754
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,360
be done from both the school
environment, SLT who are in

755
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,080
charge of sometimes this
horrible environment from from

756
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,360
put into schools and also the
government in terms of less

757
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880
obsessing over league tables,
these tables, yeah, there's more

758
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,160
important things for our
children.

759
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,240
The test should be the bill and
end all.

760
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,800
It's fine that it's there, but
it shouldn't be the only thing

761
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,640
we're measuring.
OK, I'm going to, I'm going to

762
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,760
come back with a different
opinion.

763
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,240
My only what I know, right.
My only challenge to that would

764
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,040
be, even though I agree with
everything you said in

765
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,280
principle, is I don't think it
is physically possible in

766
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,880
reality to strip away all of the
negatives from SATS to make it

767
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,840
an actual a good thing.
OK.

768
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,600
So would you do some rebranding
and do something different or

769
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,360
would you just get rid of it
completely and never have tests

770
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,680
again?
I don't know, that's like a,

771
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,320
that's like the next level.
Of this I'm just.

772
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Just my thought experiment right
now is could we make Sats good?

773
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,640
And I come to the conclusion
that we can't because I don't

774
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,120
think we could not do those
things you said.

775
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,320
I think we could probably stop
some of them.

776
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,120
We could get rid of league,
league tables easy done.

777
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,120
Could we stop, could we stop
teachers from feeling pressure

778
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,200
to meet the standards of Sats
and then and then it affecting

779
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,640
how they teach across the year,
maybe dropping fun units out?

780
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
I don't think we could.
I think, I don't think we could

781
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,760
ever get to a place where the
Sats were like a true pure

782
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,640
reflection of it impacted me as
a teacher at no point up until

783
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,320
right now when we're doing the
Sats and we're just going to

784
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,560
measure you exactly where you
are right now.

785
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160
But it didn't impact on the way
I LED you up to this point.

786
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,520
I don't think that's possible,
which is why I why I'm I'm

787
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,840
reluctant to jump on the idea
that I say SATSA just like

788
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,720
blanket good.
I do actually, funny enough,

789
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,000
probably still on that side
more.

790
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,560
I do think some sort of testing
at the end.

791
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,800
I think it's just kind of
needed.

792
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,960
But yeah, I find it hard to say.
I think they're just good

793
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,680
because I think they're all, I
think they're always going to

794
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,960
have quite a negative impact.
I think it's an interesting kind

795
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640
of the thing that comes out of
me from what you're saying there

796
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,800
is I think about to kind of back
up what you're saying almost is

797
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,000
what, what percentage of schools
would you say are good to work

798
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,440
in?
Like we don't know the percent.

799
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,680
There are always some toxic
schools, but most schools are

800
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,120
probably nice to work in a
decent environment.

801
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,280
Maybe from the top down 5060%,
let's say.

802
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,280
Let's say it's 50%.
It might be, it might be that

803
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,000
bad, I don't know.
Let's say it's 50%.

804
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,960
What percentage of schools do
you think teachers aren't

805
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,920
stressed about Sats?
1:00 to 5:00.

806
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Percent.
Exactly.

807
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,640
So even in the best of schools
right now, even with the best of

808
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,960
intentions from senior
leadership, even with everything

809
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,680
in place where you know it's,
it's not.

810
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,440
All about the learning.
Yeah, if it's all about that,

811
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320
even when that's the case, I
suppose what you're saying, just

812
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,560
having the test at the end is
going to create this, this.

813
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Yeah, basically.
And I think you could reduce it,

814
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,080
like you said, if we got rid of
pay, performance pay, so people

815
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040
weren't thinking, well, my SAS
results are literally going to

816
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,320
determine whether I get a, which
is on the way, which is on the

817
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,680
way to get rid of that.
And we can get rid of league

818
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,560
tables where it's like, OK, the
government stop obsessing over

819
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,560
comparing us so we all feel crap
if we got the bad results.

820
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We'd get rid of all that stuff.

821
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,520
I think it would massively help
and it'd be a much better place

822
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,200
to be in.
And maybe, you know, that that'd

823
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,760
be enough.
But.

824
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,240
So how would we, you know, make
sure teachers are doing their

825
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,360
job your question because we
don't want no accountability,

826
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,000
right?
Yeah.

827
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,280
Like so how would I think offset
does that role, but does offset,

828
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,560
but does it, you know, offset
come four or five every four or

829
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,680
five years, two years in, You
know, how on earth do we ever

830
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,400
know if a teacher in year five
is doing a good job?

831
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,240
Head teacher's job to do that,
isn't it?

832
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,360
Sure, I guess.
Yeah, it basically it all comes

833
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,480
down to trust.
I'm like that was advocate.

834
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,640
It's like, at which point do we
accept the trust is good enough?

835
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,640
It's like, OK, because then you
could say, what do you mean the

836
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,480
trust the trust from the
government trusting the school

837
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,480
runs properly or the trust from
the head to trust the trust from

838
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,200
them that someone is monitoring
teachers.

839
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Someone is making sure they're
doing a good job because it's

840
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,160
like you should realistically be
the manager's role.

841
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360
It could even be a line manager.
You could even say, yeah, so

842
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,680
line manager's role to to see if
they're doing a good job.

843
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Then you could say on what the
line manager's not very good.

844
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,080
OK, OK, well, the the head
teacher will check that the line

845
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,960
managers are OK, Then we know
the teachers are good.

846
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,000
And what if the head teachers
crap?

847
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
OK, well, then we go to Ofsted
and then there's this like sort

848
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,240
of never ending chain really.
And I get it way it then goes to

849
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,360
OK, let's do something that's
not subjective at all and just

850
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,720
have a test.
So I totally get like the idea

851
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,720
of having tests.
I'm not even massively against

852
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,520
them, but I just think it's
interesting to point out.

853
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,440
That.
I guess the paradox that that

854
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,600
you can't have a test without it
impacting somehow, even if it's

855
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,400
extremely tiny and subliminal,
how the teachers are going to

856
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,800
present the curriculum to those
kids and and generally just

857
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,040
their education.
I think without, I think if

858
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,720
stats were completely gone and
there was absolutely no

859
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,560
accountability, standards
probably would go down.

860
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,760
But I think it's like it almost
like like that, like we'd get

861
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,240
what do you mean like that?
It's a podcast.

862
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,760
Sorry, up and down that the
scope would change.

863
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,800
Like you'd get it would allow
for worse schools, but it would

864
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,040
also allow for some schools to
then thrive and be like, oh, now

865
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,840
we can stop doing stupid lessons
about past progressive tense and

866
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,120
because it's completely
pointless and actually do those

867
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,760
things that we just think are
great for the kids and then

868
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,120
you'll get those schools that
are amazing experiences for kids

869
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,320
do.
You think that's net?

870
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,440
Net good or net bad?
I don't know That's that's the

871
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,840
that's where I have absolutely
no idea.

872
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,360
I'd like to.
Think the idea that it's still

873
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,000
possible to really indulge those
kids in that.

874
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Really.
Exactly.

875
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,560
Yeah.
It's like.

876
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,200
A lot, a lot of the best schools
would be doing that right now.

877
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Yeah, Wouldn't they?
If it's better for the kids,

878
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,760
then they should be doing it
anyway.

879
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:58,840
But it's tough.
It's tough.

880
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,160
Next one I'll rate that out of
10 and that opinion 88.

881
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,760
No, it's not bad.
These are all really good

882
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,880
opinions.
Next one ready pen licences are

883
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,880
a waste of time.
Mostly.

884
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,880
Yeah, mostly.
Mostly a waste of time.

885
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,400
Expand I've.
Got very strong feelings on

886
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,159
this.
You have.

887
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,440
OK, we'll come back.
I've not thought about this ever

888
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,880
before, so I'm just trying to
think of this.

889
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Live right now, live on air.
I don't do them because I just,

890
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,040
I just think they're a bit
condescending.

891
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,800
I think it's a little bit like
really, I don't know, some

892
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,159
people just struggle with the
handwriting.

893
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,600
Like it's just a physical
ailment that some people have.

894
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,120
And I'm like, I don't really see
the point in making people,

895
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040
making kids feel bad about
struggling more.

896
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,560
I don't know.
It'd always be like, let's think

897
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,719
of any other thing where ability
is different.

898
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Yeah.
It's like, oh, you have to earn

899
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,320
your place in the the Not Stupid
club.

900
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,400
It's like, oh, is that?
That's not a very nice label, is

901
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,760
it?
That's what it feels like.

902
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,760
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, you can't write with

903
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,600
a pig, you stupid.
You haven't even got a pen

904
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,400
licence.
I've.

905
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,800
Got a spelling licence?
I've got a spelling licence you

906
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,920
can't spell.
Practise.

907
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,680
Come on then, I walk.
Around with the dictionary with

908
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,800
me.
I'm in the spelling club.

909
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,480
I don't know.
It just feels a bit like, yeah,

910
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,160
do we really need to do that?
Like, I'm sure there are.

911
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,080
You're the.
Football club.

912
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Club.
The football club.

913
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,760
The football club.
The football boot club.

914
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Have you got football boots?
Yeah.

915
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,320
Club.
Football clubs.

916
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,160
Yeah.
Have you got football boots?

917
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

918
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:16,920
No.
What?

919
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,160
You can't.
You haven't even kicked with a

920
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,160
football boot anymore.
No, No.

921
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,120
Oh my God.
You've not learnt to kick.

922
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Probably without any boots on
you.

923
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,320
No, I haven't.
It to me, it's stupid.

924
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,520
It's like you're holding back
the thing which they need to be

925
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,640
good at writing with.
It's insane.

926
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,840
Yeah, because the end guy is
holding a pen is very different.

927
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160
Holding a pencil and stuff, like
just on the core level of what

928
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,920
this is.
What do you mean?

929
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,480
I have to wait to get the thing
that I write with.

930
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,240
I have to get good at writing
with something else before I can

931
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,960
write with the thing that
everyone's going to end up with.

932
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:44,720
Driving licence.
I think it's crazy.

933
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,880
But it's just a driving licence,
isn't it a pen licence?

934
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,120
Yeah, but with a driving licence
you practise in a car.

935
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,840
No, I know.
Yeah, yeah.

936
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you should practise with a

937
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,240
pen.
Yeah.

938
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,720
Like, what?
Did you just have a pen the

939
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,560
whole day?
Sorry, No, no.

940
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,080
I'm gonna give you a driving
licence for your car once you've

941
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,360
passed this test with a bicycle.
So pass this test with the

942
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,840
bicycle.
Please do all your indicating

943
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,880
all of your gear changing with
the bicycle and then you'll

944
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,360
finally get a car and off you
go.

945
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if you can't use the car

946
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,160
immediately, you're going back
to that bicycle licence.

947
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,480
Yeah.
And if you have any problems

948
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,280
with driving a car, yeah, and
tough, you'll never, ever be

949
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,160
able to do it.
I'm sorry.

950
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,960
That's just that.
It's that classic super system.

951
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,800
We've talked about systems like
this before, right?

952
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,760
Where there is a small thing to
it where it's like they are

953
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,920
there some kids that are
probably just purposely being a

954
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680
bit lazy with the handwriting
and this might encourage them to

955
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,080
do it.
Probably some.

956
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,200
But are there also kids who
would like maybe just a bit

957
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,520
dyslexic and no one knows yet,
bit dyspractic or something?

958
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,920
And they're feeling horrendous
about the fact they're trying so

959
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,880
hard and their part next to them
is writing in a pen and they're

960
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,400
writing a pencil.
And teachers go, oh, keep

961
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,120
working on that and maybe you'll
get a pen one day.

962
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,880
It's like, yeah, I don't really
want that.

963
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,200
I don't want that situation
happening, so I don't really

964
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,600
like pen licences basically.
That's weird you started off

965
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,520
saying oh I don't know, good to
see you form in your opinion.

966
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,680
Exactly that.
That was just.

967
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
And I could, you know, I'm like,
I might change it in 10 minutes,

968
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,520
but that's how I feel right now.
I don't think they're a force

969
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,720
for good, but I don't think
teachers use them horribly.

970
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,800
No, I mean, I used them at the
start of my career because it

971
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,080
was just part of the policy that
we had and I never thought twice

972
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,680
about it.
No, I just thought, yeah, this

973
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,280
is what we do.
I'm a new teacher.

974
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,600
You have pen licences.
That's a thing.

975
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,600
I didn't remember having them at
school, but I was like, this

976
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,080
must be a thing now.
Do you know what?

977
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,280
Just give your kids a pen.
Just give them some pens.

978
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,240
Maybe in maths you're writing
pencil.

979
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,480
No one's got a pen in our
school.

980
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,920
We just write in pen all the
time.

981
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,600
Anytime you write in pen, if,
yeah, in match, you're writing

982
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,640
pen because you're writing pen.
And you know, if there's lines

983
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,600
and and diagrams and stuff, you
go to pencil.

984
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,800
But you just write in pen.
That's as simple as that.

985
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,640
And if your handwriting's
rubbish, do you know what we do?

986
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,440
We practise it.
We don't have me at the front

987
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,240
going, Oh, you can get your
lines soon.

988
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,000
Yeah, yeah, it's weird, isn't
it?

989
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Weird things like we take away
this tangible thing for you, not

990
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,400
just practise your handwriting.
It looks really bad in pen, it

991
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,160
will look bad in pencil as well.
So it doesn't really matter to

992
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,160
me which one you do it in.
Do you have your times table

993
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,040
licence?
No, you can't go on timetable

994
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,840
Rockstar yet.
Then you can't possibly practise

995
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,720
your time stable.
You have a you have a time

996
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,360
stable licence.
What do you mean?

997
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,440
Only people with time stable
licence can practise their time

998
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,400
stables.
It's just so backwards.

999
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,040
It's just a complete.
Nonsense.

1000
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,480
Yeah, I don't really like it out
of 10.

1001
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,240
I'm struggling with what this
out of 10 about.

1002
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,960
I'm just enjoying the
conversation this time.

1003
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,080
So another nine.
The last one's nine as well.

1004
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
I'm bumping it up.
They're all nine.

1005
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,800
Out.
I'm waiting for the 10.

1006
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,560
Yeah, that'll be this one.
Ready.

1007
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Yeah, go on.
Ten OH, it might be.

1008
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,760
It might be.
We should not be teaching modern

1009
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,640
foreign languages in primary
school.

1010
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Oh.
Kate Languages turn this off.

1011
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,880
We interviewed Kate, Larry.
We'll just go back and have a

1012
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,960
chat.
She's a language specialist.

1013
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680
This was obviously from someone
else saying we shouldn't do it.

1014
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,160
I.
Love to do that.

1015
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,480
It's from Kate.
No, I don't know.

1016
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,040
But but when we spoke to Kate,
she did say like when we spoke

1017
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,560
about what language to do in
primary school, she said it

1018
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,600
doesn't matter.
It's the process that like so

1019
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,840
it's not a million miles off
from this and this person just

1020
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,920
saying we should not be teaching
in primary school.

1021
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,480
I disagree.
I don't think we should not be

1022
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,520
teaching.
I don't think that's, I don't

1023
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,600
have a place to say we
shouldn't.

1024
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,440
I think in the current
timetable, I understand why in

1025
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,400
today's society with this CRAMS
timetable, we might, that might

1026
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,920
be the first one to drop off.
Don't disagree with that.

1027
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,200
If we have to fit all the other
stuff in, I'd be like, OK, well,

1028
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,720
something's got to go.
Why would you pick MFL first?

1029
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,480
I think it is the least
important thing to learn at a

1030
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,840
young age.
I think you can honestly just

1031
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,360
pick up a.
Bit I completely disagree with

1032
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,320
you by the way, do you?
Languages are by far the best

1033
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,040
thing to learn at a young.
Age.

1034
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,560
Well, they're most efficiently
learned at a young age, but I

1035
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,760
don't I.
Disagree with that point.

1036
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,640
I actually probably so I don't
agree with that opinion.

1037
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,960
I mean, the best time to learn
language is when you're young.

1038
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Yeah, but in primary school
you're not actually in your

1039
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,040
formative years.
But when they say young, they

1040
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,720
mean like 123 when you're
picking up.

1041
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,320
Language.
Yeah, like bilingual kids by

1042
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,640
like four.
Yeah, they can speak both

1043
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,480
languages.
So weird.

1044
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,400
I don't.
I'm not against it, but I can

1045
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,240
see what people mean because
basically the problem is you go

1046
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,440
to secondary school.
Yeah.

1047
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,520
And your foreign language
teachers are experts.

1048
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
So we went to, I remember going
to secondary school, I had Frau

1049
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,360
Denison, but she spoke German
and, and, and Madame Denison

1050
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,720
because it, we had her for
German and French, but she, she

1051
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,000
speak really good German and
French.

1052
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,920
And.
But the point being that they're

1053
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,440
experts.
They've got degrees in in

1054
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,040
language, right?
They're teaching you really well

1055
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,080
as a specialist.
Yeah.

1056
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,920
In primary school, we just
pretend we can do everything.

1057
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

1058
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,480
I posted a meme the other day.
There was this English

1059
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,240
footballer.
On the Spanish team, he's been

1060
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,640
unveiled in front of this huge
crowd.

1061
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,160
Obviously, he doesn't speak
Spanish and he gets like, asked

1062
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,960
by a reporter, he just had this
rehearsed line.

1063
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,880
He was like, see, happy.
Like, it's just complete

1064
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,960
nonsense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000
And I was like, that is like
being a primary school teacher

1066
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,840
when you've never spoke Spanish
in your life.

1067
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,360
You join a school.
We do Spanish here, by the way,

1068
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,720
half an hour a week.
And it's like, what?

1069
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,720
So.
So yeah, it's like I don't I

1070
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,600
think that that.
Whole argument there is a really

1071
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,160
good one for like we should just
not teach it.

1072
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,400
Yeah, don't teach.
We can't do it properly.

1073
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Yeah, don't teach bad habits.
A lot if that person would

1074
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,440
agree.
If I said, OK, school's got a

1075
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,920
specialist teacher, would they
still be like, no, I just don't

1076
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,360
want it to be taught.
What do they mean?

1077
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,160
I don't want it to be taught by
me because it's like, for the

1078
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,680
reason you just said.
That'd be interesting.

1079
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,000
Do you know what I'd rather do
what I'd rather British Sign

1080
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Language be taught.
Yeah.

1081
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
You think?
You're quite advocate I I find

1082
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:07,080
it insane as a society that in
general with like ableism and

1083
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,520
stuff, genuinely with just in
general, just the way we look at

1084
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,760
these people in society, they're
so they're just forgotten.

1085
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,840
I think they are completely
forgotten by by the systems.

1086
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,200
Do you know, I mean, like we
have deaf people or just people?

1087
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,160
No, no people, people with
disabilities in general.

1088
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,640
But I'm just saying in this
example of deaf people, like

1089
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,880
having taught children across
the year who are deaf.

1090
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,760
Yeah.
And who have disabilities?

1091
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Yeah, it's insane how things
aren't built in for them.

1092
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,040
It's like, oh, you got a deaf
kid this year.

1093
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,920
This year you've got to do this.
Exercise, do you want to do some

1094
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,720
training or do you want to wait
what?

1095
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,440
Like they're just part of
society.

1096
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,920
Oh, they can't they, they're not
going to quite pick up stuff.

1097
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,200
So maybe you could learn some
signs to help them.

1098
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,880
It's like, should I just know
these signs because that's just

1099
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,320
a human being who, and this is
how they, you know, learn and

1100
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,040
say stuff like I, I, I think
British sign language for kids.

1101
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,520
It would be so easy to actually
put it as part of the

1102
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,960
curriculum.
Everyone learns it.

1103
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,040
Can you imagine a society where
like, you go into the workplace

1104
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,120
having left school, someone's
someone's deaf who's like 35,

1105
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,080
you join and, and instead of it
being like, we've got someone

1106
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,680
who's deaf on the team.
If you want to speak to them,

1107
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,920
just make sure you write
something down or just, you

1108
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,000
know, yeah, talk, talk to them.
Like really just awkward way.

1109
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,440
Around person instead and it's
like no, no, they're a human

1110
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,040
being and and Oh no, it's OK I
can speak British sign language

1111
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,880
and you'll go up to them and say
hi, this is my name and you know

1112
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,920
I can't do British sign
language.

1113
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,120
I wish I could, but I just look
at it and I think God, we I'm

1114
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,800
missing a trick there.
Yeah, just put it in.

1115
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,800
Universal, I know it's not
literary universal, but like it

1116
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,640
is one of the widest known.
I mean, you know that you think

1117
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,760
language there's so many
different languages, whereas

1118
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,480
British sign, British Sign
Language.

1119
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,960
Is what's more useful for your
life speaking French or speaking

1120
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,120
British Sign Language?
British Sign Language, by far,

1121
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
100%, especially as it's the
most useful language.

1122
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,920
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Absolutely.

1123
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,160
Right.
I find it insane when we're just

1124
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,840
like anyone who kind of retorts
that said, no no, it's so

1125
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,920
important to learn Spanish and
modify.

1126
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,880
No, it's not.
Is it English?

1127
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Is it more English?
They speak English.

1128
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,400
Everyone else has done the job
for us.

1129
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,880
I spoke to I, I went to London,
I think I said on the podcast

1130
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,200
and did the life-size monopoly
thing, like a big monopoly board

1131
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,400
with like escape rooms and
stuff.

1132
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,760
And we got paired with these
three people from Germany and

1133
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,160
they were speaking English and I
was like, oh, I'm sorry, I know

1134
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,680
some German from school, but I'm
so sorry.

1135
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,360
We're so.
Ignorant.

1136
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Frau Frau Denison, Frau Dennis.
They're like, what you?

1137
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,800
Why do you keep saying this?
That's all I remember.

1138
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,360
But talking to and I, I would
say the odd thing in German, and

1139
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,240
they'd be so like they're
inside.

1140
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,520
They're probably like, God, this
guy, like I'd be like, yeah, the

1141
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,120
bibliotech just means library.
It's just me stood there going

1142
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,760
library.
It's like nonsense.

1143
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Impressive.
They're really nice and

1144
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,280
laughing.
I know the nuances of your

1145
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,080
grammar, of your language.
Why are you saying library to

1146
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,960
me?
Come on.

1147
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaking, speaking better
English than I am.

1148
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
But I said to them, I'm sorry,
we are a bit, you know, as a, as

1149
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,680
a, as a society and a nation,
we're a bit ignorant to like

1150
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,360
languages and stuff.
And they were like, no, no, it

1151
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,720
would, it'd be really stupid if
you learn my language, English,

1152
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,680
just we have to have one
language, which is like what

1153
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,720
people learn.
It's like you have you happen to

1154
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,240
be from the country which speaks
English.

1155
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:04,520
You're lucky.
But they were almost just like,

1156
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,200
no, that would be stupid.
What is the point of you

1157
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,480
learning French and German and
and Spanish and?

1158
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,720
That's and them doing the same.
Yeah, but they all know English.

1159
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,920
And I was like, you're
completely right.

1160
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,920
Like all you can say, we're
written our own stuff.

1161
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,720
You need to do anything.
I I don't need to do any extra

1162
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,240
work at all.
Thank you Lib.

1163
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,440
Lil tech running away.
Do you know what we are?

1164
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,280
Do you know what we are?
The analogy for it, we are the

1165
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,200
seven times table.
England is the seven times table

1166
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,880
because I always say to the kids
learn all the other times tables

1167
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960
and then by default you've
learned just sevens because it's

1168
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,800
part of all the other ones.
We're the seven times.

1169
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,400
Everyone else learns English.
Just imagine talking to sevens.

1170
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,720
Don't worry, don't bother.
Everyone else knows me, baby.

1171
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,440
I don't need to know any.
I'm the seven.

1172
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,480
I don't need to know the answer
to any of my time. 7 * 3 Don't

1173
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,880
ask the three.
Don't ask 3 * 7 love. 7 * 7

1174
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,480
whatever, ignore that one. 7 * 7
we don't.

1175
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Yeah, yeah, that's the people
that can't, the English people

1176
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,880
that can't speak English very
well. 7 * 7 is this podcast.

1177
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,720
We know each other, but no one
else knows what we're talking

1178
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,600
about.
Change the name of this.

1179
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,640
That was probably possibly the
best analogy that I've ever seen

1180
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,080
come out of your mouth.
Wow, thank you.

1181
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,120
Let's do another one.
This is something I'd never

1182
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,480
ever, ever.
I didn't do the important

1183
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,040
rating.
With this really intricate way

1184
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,280
of rating opinions.
Nine.

1185
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,320
I knew it, I knew it.
So this was really interesting.

1186
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,040
I'd love to talk about this
because we're not specialists in

1187
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,960
this, but the idea, I
immediately was convinced by the

1188
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,960
end of the sentence.
OK it's more than one sentence

1189
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,680
but stuff.
They should bring back middle

1190
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,240
schools. 11 year old children
should not be in school with 18

1191
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:47,760
year olds.
That's.

1192
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,240
Really interesting.
Do you know what, Alice?

1193
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:52,440
I'm going to be very ignorant of
this.

1194
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,520
I don't really know what middle
school is in terms.

1195
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,560
I don't actually know the age
bracket.

1196
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,520
For it, yeah, yeah, the age
bracket I'm pretty sure is upper

1197
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,960
key stage 2, lower case stage 3.
Is it?

1198
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure it's like.

1199
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,360
Wouldn't that ruin junior
schools year?

1200
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,760
5.
Potentially.

1201
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,400
Don't know.
I don't.

1202
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Know yeah, it's I'm pretty sure
it's year 5678 like that kind of

1203
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,000
range, but either way, please
correct me it.

1204
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,800
Shortens the yeah, the chunk
that you get.

1205
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,080
The idea is six to seven is no
longer a transition from one

1206
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,840
school to two.
It's like the three schools

1207
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,320
instead of two.
And the point being with two

1208
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,560
schools, that's a huge scope.
Like you go from early years to

1209
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,560
year six is insanely different,
Year seven to end of sixth form

1210
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,760
insanely different.
So the point here is just add

1211
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,120
something in the middle.
A nice little transition makes

1212
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,080
those transitions less harsh
when they do them because

1213
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,480
there's two of them and they're
more spread out.

1214
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,840
And then within a school, you're
a lot closer when you're at the

1215
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,360
bottom and the top and you can
do a lot more useful stuff.

1216
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Whereas an 11 year old and an 18
year old insanely different.

1217
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,520
I guess it depends whether I, I,
I, I like the idea.

1218
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,760
I'm not like hugely for it.
Just from hearing it.

1219
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,160
I, I think there's, there's
obviously a middle ground, isn't

1220
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,320
there?
There's a sweet spot somewhere

1221
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,520
because I could carry on with
this thought train and be like,

1222
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,200
OK, we'll have a school per year
group.

1223
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,520
Then it's the ultimate one.
Like do you know what I mean?

1224
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,880
Like we have a, we have a year
five school and then we go, then

1225
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,240
you go to year six school.
Like where does it stop?

1226
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,560
Like because obviously.
It stops here, mate.

1227
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,400
It stops here, but.
Is is that the sweet spot?

1228
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Then yes.
I reckon I wasn't having to be

1229
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,280
them.
Well, yeah, because I because I

1230
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,720
like the fact that we have
infants and juniors.

1231
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,000
Sure.
I actually like that they're

1232
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,880
split.
Do you like So here's here's a

1233
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,040
question then, because anyone
listening who might not know

1234
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,720
Hayman and I've always worked in
junior schools, always started

1235
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,360
in year 3.
And it's funny because here

1236
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,760
we're talking about making it
more granular.

1237
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,880
But if anything in junior
schools, all I've really heard a

1238
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,360
lot of people say is it's nice
though, when it's a through

1239
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,400
school, isn't it?
It's it's nice when you go from

1240
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,440
year one, year two, year three.
And there's that consistency

1241
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,560
because what what you find of a
lot of junior schools, children

1242
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,040
join you in year 380% have come
from your feeder school, 5% from

1243
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,560
another school, 5% from another
school.

1244
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,120
And they all straggle us from
other different schools.

1245
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,800
They're all at different points.
They're all get different

1246
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,360
expectations as a school, you've
got to embed your values and and

1247
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,440
what's your non negotiable?
I hate that term, but what's

1248
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,000
your kind of whole school
approach?

1249
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,720
And people have said, oh it is
nice though.

1250
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,040
Like if you go to a through
school and look at year three

1251
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
writing, it's way better than
Junior School year 3.

1252
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,240
Writing, I was going to say it's
nice from the point of

1253
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,760
perspective of you have control
of the school over those

1254
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,080
children, but I, I don't know, I
just kind of assumed we were

1255
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,720
saying there's a complete
assumption that this was from

1256
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,720
the point of view of the kids.
Like it's better for the kids.

1257
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,360
Yeah, yeah, even.
For the middle school, I think

1258
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,520
it's from the.
Kids how it is because like,

1259
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,640
yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how I feel.

1260
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,560
Then how about you?
I do.

1261
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,320
You know what I don't know
enough about middle schools.

1262
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,000
I've always thought the idea was
cool.

1263
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,080
I know quite a lot of people who
have from when I did training

1264
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,560
and kind of semi kept in touch
with them and followed their

1265
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,960
careers since who have gone into
work in middle schools and have

1266
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,080
applied kind of their primary
teaching and their primary

1267
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,600
knowledge to the secondary
school level.

1268
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,400
So even they've gone into
secondary school and they've

1269
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,680
been like year 7-8 specialist
and transition and applying them

1270
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,760
because, because I feel like the
way we teach in primary and the

1271
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,320
way secondary is taught, the way
secondary is taught is a huge

1272
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,640
jump for a year seven kid.
It's very independent.

1273
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,120
All of a sudden.
It's, it's very much like in

1274
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,520
primary school.
We're exploring, you know, you

1275
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,320
stay with your teacher all day
and that's a huge jump and a

1276
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,560
huge change.
And I remember going to year

1277
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,360
seven, I'm thinking, Christ,
I've got to my next lesson,

1278
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,680
which is up here.
Yeah, it was stressful.

1279
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,440
The all intricacies of it.
It's a huge, huge, huge change.

1280
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,560
And a middle school might just
be that step where it's like

1281
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,480
things are getting harder in.
Between.

1282
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,440
And we can be in control of
like.

1283
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,080
Doing that half step, so it's a
bit more close to secondary

1284
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,800
school because then when you do
go to secondary school, do you

1285
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,360
know what?
It's less challenge actually.

1286
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,400
So I'm not against that.
No, I'm not against it.

1287
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,480
I definitely explore the idea.
I'd like to learn more about it

1288
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,520
actually, because I feel like I
don't know much about that, but

1289
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,280
it sounds like something that
could be quite good.

1290
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:37,840
I've got one here.
Sorry.

1291
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,880
Sorry, Hayden.
You say what?

1292
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,360
You.
What would you write?

1293
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,640
That do you really care?
You want to know?

1294
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:45,800
Right.
I want to know.

1295
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:51,440
I've got a prediction I would
never have known.

1296
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,360
OK, this one.
I don't think this is unpopular.

1297
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,360
I think this is just a great
opinion.

1298
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,560
This is a popular unpopular.
Yeah.

1299
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,840
Yeah.
Putting kids in isolation for

1300
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,080
eyelashes or trousers the wrong
length by two centimetres or

1301
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,400
anything like that laughing
emoji face.

1302
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,240
These are the kids that already
find school pointless and now

1303
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,960
they miss even more class time
by being put into isolation.

1304
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Oh my goodness me.
What do you think?

1305
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,120
I couldn't agree more.
You know what this is again,

1306
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,480
more secondary, I think.
But you do see a lot kind of

1307
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,000
eking into primary schools.
This is a wider thing for me.

1308
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,560
I'm going to make this wider
immediately.

1309
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,560
The whole uniform idea, the
whole idea of punishing children

1310
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,640
for uniform I find insane.
I find it crazy.

1311
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,680
I my obsession as a, as a
teacher is for children to be in

1312
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,800
front of me learning.
That's my number one priority.

1313
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:48,160
And if ever there comes a reason
why a child isn't in front of me

1314
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,560
learning, it's usually pretty
much down to the fact they are

1315
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,720
disrupting other children.
So if the disruption of 30

1316
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,880
children obviously outweighs the
disruption of one child, if I've

1317
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,360
got to move a child out my class
as a last resort, I will do so.

1318
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,640
You've got to go out my class.
I'm sorry, we're going to crack

1319
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,320
up with that lesson.
You clearly aren't in a space to

1320
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,800
do that right now.
Whether that's through just pure

1321
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,000
ignorance from them and they're
being naughty and horrible and

1322
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,520
mean, or if that's for a need
that they've got, I can still

1323
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,160
make that call.
You need to go and cool down.

1324
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,680
You'll be better off out of this
room right now.

1325
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,800
You're not in trouble, but go
and do this, whatever it is.

1326
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,240
Sometimes children are better
off outside.

1327
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,560
If children miss learning time
because a teacher is deemed that

1328
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,680
the tie is too short.
I find that absolutely insane

1329
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,240
and I hate that that's a thing
that's accepted.

1330
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:33,880
In our well, if they don't miss
learning time, but they but

1331
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,240
there is a.
Punishment.

1332
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,440
Well, punishment, fine.
We can talk about punishments.

1333
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,000
Maybe, you know, there's some
kind of warning system in place.

1334
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,680
You've got to adhere to a school
policy.

1335
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,080
That's like having high
expectations.

1336
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,040
I don't have a problem with
schools having policies and

1337
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,520
rules that have got to be
followed.

1338
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:47,520
I don't have a problem with
that.

1339
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:51,440
What I have a problem with is
things like isolation for a

1340
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,120
skirt being at the wrong length.
Or for isolation, I don't really

1341
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,440
know what it is.
Is that I know what isolation

1342
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,600
is, but is that like?
At the classroom, you're on your

1343
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:59,520
own.
You're doing the work.

1344
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:00,880
So it is during that lesson.
Yeah.

1345
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,360
Yeah, you did.
Not like the attention after,

1346
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,520
no.
No, no, you can be put

1347
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,440
somewhere.
Else, yeah, that that is

1348
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,000
different.
I agree.

1349
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,720
Yeah, because if it's like a
separate punishment where it's

1350
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,320
like, OK, you're still getting
all your learning opportunities,

1351
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,840
but you are literally just.
Not yeah, they're literally

1352
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,120
missing their time in the
classroom.

1353
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,760
Yeah, for stuff like that, that
is stupid, isn't it?

1354
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,240
Yeah, that is really stupid.
I'm I'm probably more strict and

1355
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,480
yeah, I think I think uniforms
are an important and I'm quite

1356
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,240
and I actually really do think
there should be like things in

1357
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:27,600
place for kids just not doing it
at all, not missing that only

1358
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:28,440
time.
I don't think that's the right

1359
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,960
thing in primary and secretary.
Yeah, I think so.

1360
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Wow.
In primary, yeah.

1361
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,920
Yeah, yeah, I don't think it
needs to be.

1362
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,520
There's some, there's some
leniency in terms of like

1363
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,120
there's loads of layers this way
if the, if the policy is green

1364
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,440
jumpers and and trousers or
whatever, I don't know.

1365
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,640
And, and, and the school's like,
yeah, you need to have these

1366
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,800
branded ones.
I'm like getting the bin.

1367
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,520
That's ridiculous.
Like the cheapest green.

1368
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,920
I didn't care if it's an off
green doesn't matter as long as

1369
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,320
I'm making some attempt because
I don't what I really don't

1370
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:50,320
like.
I hated this growing up.

1371
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,120
Maybe this is where it's come
from because I felt the pressure

1372
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,520
of this all the time and it
maybe not even do things and go

1373
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,960
places is I hated the
comparisons of what clothes

1374
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,960
you're wearing.
So as soon as there was some

1375
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:01,960
flexibility in like what you
wear, I didn't want to go to

1376
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,920
school.
I was like, oh, I don't want to

1377
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,960
go to school now and I'd feel
nervous and anxious because I've

1378
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,560
like someone's going to take the
Mick because I've not got the

1379
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,000
right trainers.
Someone's going to say something

1380
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,800
because they've got this top
that I know that the girls were

1381
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,560
all wearing earrings and they're
going to laugh at me because I'm

1382
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,640
not wearing my earrings.
Is it?

1383
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
I was trying to think about the
funny one, but I don't know.

1384
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,880
I, I really, really hate it.
And I appreciate the uniform

1385
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,280
grant because I was like, it
allows me to be in a safe space

1386
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
where no one's going to be
judged for what they wear.

1387
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,360
So as soon as kids start pushing
those boundaries, I'm sort of

1388
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,920
like, Nah, I don't want to get
into that territory.

1389
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,800
I don't want to be like, no,
that's OK.

1390
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,160
And then that's that.
They're distracting everyone

1391
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,800
because I'm like, yeah, because
I look at my train, look at the

1392
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,040
trainers.
I've got a way of wearing, even

1393
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,640
though I know it's the policy
not to.

1394
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,160
I've done it anyway.
And because they're not, they're

1395
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,400
leaning at this school, so who
cares?

1396
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160
I warn them, yeah, I don't know.
I'm just, yeah, I think it's a

1397
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,280
whole train, a fault probably.
Let's quickly talk about then.

1398
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,280
So I'm really interested now
uniform in general, I am not

1399
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,480
against uniform.
I'm against strict stringent,

1400
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,440
making a paywall for school.
Yeah, yes, I'm really against

1401
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,960
that.
So I know schools whether you

1402
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,760
need a branded blazer for your 8
year old.

1403
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My goodness me, you're not a

1404
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,600
private school, this is a state
school.

1405
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,360
You're providing a service.
Do not put a paywall up to to

1406
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,440
anyone in your area.
I don't care what kind of

1407
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,920
affluent area you might be in or
not.

1408
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Yeah geez Louise.
It's every single uniform policy

1409
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,120
should allow you to walk into
Tesco and get a 2 LB T-shirt.

1410
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,360
100%, yeah, so, but your kids, I
tell you what your kids not

1411
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,520
doing, they're not coming in
naked.

1412
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,280
Everyone has to wear clothes.
Exactly.

1413
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,840
So I can, I can, I can.
I think it's reasonable for a

1414
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,160
school to dictate what those
clothes are.

1415
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,400
Sure.
As long as it's like you said,

1416
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,760
it's not ridiculous expectation.
And for exactly the reasons you

1417
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,480
said, you do not want children
feeling awkward or Yeah, it's

1418
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,360
kind of like an equaliser for
all classes, right?

1419
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,360
And what doing a branded uniform
does, it reintroduces that class

1420
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,040
system.
Yep.

1421
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,680
It reintroduces that system
where the children who have

1422
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,040
perfectly fitting uniform with
the branded logo on the blazer

1423
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,280
and the branded logo on the
shirt and the branded logo on

1424
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,400
the tie and the lovely hat with
the branded logo on the front.

1425
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,000
If they're, you know, those kids
have constantly got the right,

1426
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,000
you know, size and always look
presentable and neat and tidy,

1427
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,400
you will immediately swat the
kid who's got a blazer.

1428
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,360
Which has to put them before
Yeah there's a hand me down from

1429
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,840
their older brother it's got a
rip pocket yeah and they're

1430
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,640
just.
You've created that class system

1431
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,560
inside a school for what
uniforms actually meant to do

1432
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,960
the complete.
As I tell you what, it's hard to

1433
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,120
do that when you say right, kids
can wear anything on their

1434
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,240
bottoms as long as it's this
colour and anything on the top,

1435
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,720
as long as it's this colour,
don't care what it is.

1436
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,400
Yeah, yeah.
And, and you can actively say

1437
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,600
but nothing branded, yeah,
nothing branded just has to be

1438
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:16,760
plain.
Yeah, could have got.

1439
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,640
They're the cheapest clothes
anyway, the plain ones, so it

1440
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,080
has to be plain.
And do you know what could

1441
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,560
happen in that point, right?
Yeah, you could.

1442
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,160
And I know this happens because
it happens in schools I've been

1443
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,000
in.
Some children will have M&S,

1444
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,400
Some children will have George.
Some children will have Primark.

1445
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,880
Yeah.
You know for a fact they all

1446
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,000
cost different amounts.
Yeah.

1447
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,240
But you know what the kids
don't?

1448
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,800
They don't know at all.
They don't care.

1449
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,320
They're just like, cool.
That's what they didn't even.

1450
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,320
Think I'm rocking up in Gucci.
They have no idea, you know what

1451
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,160
I mean?
Like they don't know.

1452
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,480
Yeah, So I'm quite hot on that.
I, I think uniform's really

1453
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,920
important and I do think it
expands to.

1454
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,520
Because then people, I feel like
people have have a different

1455
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,560
opinion then when it comes to
like, oh, it's just a hairdo

1456
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,040
though.
Yeah.

1457
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,760
But you know what?
When they go in with a hairdo

1458
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,560
that cost ��100 and looks really
different, it's the same thing.

1459
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,200
I'm like just there's just, I
think there should be a line

1460
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,560
somewhere.
It probably was a little bit

1461
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,200
too, too strict before I was
like, oh, you can't even like

1462
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,480
shave your head and stupid
things like that.

1463
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,800
I'm like, whatever.
But if they're coming in with

1464
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,920
like AI don't know some like
massive pink Mohawk, I'm like,

1465
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,280
it's not generally a normal
haircut.

1466
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,920
Like let's just stop putting on
a pedestal people that can

1467
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,960
afford to go and do those
things.

1468
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,680
They're coming in with these
nice earrings.

1469
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,920
OK, There are probably other
kids in the class that maybe

1470
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,600
want earrings and their parents
said, no, we can't afford it.

1471
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,120
Like just just make it really
just uniformed, literally the

1472
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,120
word uniform as much as possible
to reduce that social barrier.

1473
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,280
That's all I think.
Yeah, sure.

1474
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,280
But going back to that original
point, though, punishing kids in

1475
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,480
in school time for it completely
against it, Yeah.

1476
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,880
The list of things where a child
should not be in the classroom

1477
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,200
anymore, yeah, does not include
a trouser being the.

1478
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,600
Wrong.
Honestly, punishing kids in

1479
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,800
general actually is like the
last resort is like for

1480
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,320
clothing.
Did you go and buy that

1481
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:43,920
clothing?
Yeah.

1482
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,040
Did you take yourself to the
hairdressers and get that done

1483
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,200
or No?
Obviously you didn't, so I'll

1484
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,240
talk to your.
Parents and I suppose the

1485
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,840
difference there is like how you
wear your tie is different to

1486
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,320
not having to be able to afford
a branded tie yeah so not having

1487
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,000
a branded tie it's like that's
not a kids fault wearing the tie

1488
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,840
ridiculously to make a point and
push boundaries you're just

1489
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,000
that's different being naughty
for sake exactly because.

1490
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,640
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, OK, let's do one last 10.

1491
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,760
I'm so sorry.
These these guys like they're

1492
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,920
listening to this thinking, I
think.

1493
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,480
I need to know what the rating
is.

1494
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,480
Only one of the other ratings so
have 10.

1495
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,480
Do you have any I?
Think about this one.

1496
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:17,640
Actually.
Probably 9.

1497
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:18,520
Not, not not quite.
Ten.

1498
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,080
Nine out of 10.
No, of course, of course not, Of

1499
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,440
course not because why would it
be anything else?

1500
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,360
OK I keep thinking about to how
the sepresyme stable is English

1501
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,200
people being ignorant about not
knowing language.

1502
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,600
It's just so funny right?
We're going to end end with this

1503
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,600
one final one.
Parents are the problem.

1504
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,240
Parents need this.
This really is an unpopular

1505
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,240
opinion straight in.
Parents are the problem.

1506
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,640
Parents need to be held
accountable for their children,

1507
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,000
and I've chosen this links to
what you just said basically.

1508
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,040
But this is wider.
Held accountable for their

1509
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,720
children's behaviour and their
own as parents in schools.

1510
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,360
Held accountable for their
child's progress and held

1511
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,400
accountable for their child's
attendance.

1512
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:01,000
And until parents are and they
feel the consequences and the

1513
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,960
ramifications for their
children, nothing in education

1514
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,920
is going to change.
Schools and education cannot

1515
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,480
improve until this does fast.
Well, that's quite strong.

1516
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,480
I think there are lots of bits
in there.

1517
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,560
I agree with.
I probably would take out

1518
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,120
parents are the problem from the
start if I was like presenting

1519
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,120
this because I feel like that's
just like that's just going to

1520
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,160
trigger people get that I asked
for.

1521
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,280
Unpopular opinion, so this
person's no.

1522
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,440
It's a really cool way of doing
it because like, I get it.

1523
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,280
Because we're parents.
We're parents now.

1524
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,520
So let's turn it out.
Yeah, I.

1525
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,880
Don't think parents are the
problem.

1526
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,400
Sure I think they are.
I think parents in general,

1527
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,200
culture, I think culture,
English culture, which just

1528
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,640
happens to encompass parents
obviously going to school, I

1529
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,560
think is part of the problem.
I think culture is changing.

1530
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,520
I think expectations are
changing of parents.

1531
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,640
I think expectations from
parents on teachers is changing.

1532
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,720
I think respect towards teachers
is changing.

1533
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,720
I think all of those things are
part of the problem because from

1534
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,000
my experience, there's
definitely, definitely been

1535
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,760
countless times where I've sort
of walked over in conversation

1536
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,440
thinking there is nothing here
that that could resolve this

1537
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,680
thing other than the parent just
doing doing something different.

1538
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,120
It's hard to say.
Like I don't want to go into

1539
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,920
actual examples.
No, no, but I know exactly what

1540
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,400
you mean.
I'm thinking in that moment, OK,

1541
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,840
the problem is, is the parenting
right now that's the reason I

1542
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,280
can't get X done or there's a
problem in the classroom.

1543
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,080
It's because of something that's
happening and that the parent

1544
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,200
doesn't want to address.
I can't do anything about it.

1545
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,280
So that does happen.
I think saying a blanketing like

1546
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,240
parents, the problem is quite
harsh because there are like I'd

1547
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,000
say still the vast majority of
parents I've I've dealt with and

1548
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,880
there's thousands over the years
are extremely good at parenting

1549
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,480
and doing everything they
possibly can to do the right

1550
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,800
thing for their kids.
I just think there's a minority

1551
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,160
where that take Take the Mick
race basically.

1552
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,720
So there's three main things you
talked about.

1553
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,000
Maybe we could just dive into
those held accountable for their

1554
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,000
children's behaviour, progress
and attendance.

1555
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,280
Yeah.
So maybe we could just go into

1556
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,360
those three quickly and just
think, OK, how much of A role

1557
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,840
does the parent have here in
terms of this opinion that the

1558
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,960
parents are the problem?
So in terms of progress, I think

1559
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,520
way too much impetus is put on
the impact of the teacher on a

1560
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,720
child's progress.
I think we have much less of an

1561
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,680
of a difference making ability
than we would like to think as

1562
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,040
teachers.
I think it's definitely, it's

1563
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,880
nice to think we've had a huge
impact.

1564
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,040
I think even the best of
teachers.

1565
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,080
Double the kids, you know.
No, they might make a 5%.

1566
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,920
Difference.
Whereas a lot of stuff you can

1567
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,000
do at home, like reading
regularly when you're younger,

1568
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,880
being exposed to stuff, those
early years, yeah, formative

1569
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,120
phase when parents are just
constant with their children.

1570
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,800
I actually do agree that that
has much bigger impact on a

1571
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,440
child's attainment and is
therefore much more down to what

1572
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,320
the parent can give to the child
in those years.

1573
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,000
I mean, there's I don't want to,
it's a weird conversation

1574
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,840
because you can almost sound
like a snob by agreeing some of

1575
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,520
these things.
But there is plenty of evidence

1576
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,040
out there that you can check out
that literally shows the strong

1577
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,920
correlation between the way the
way a child is parented and

1578
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,440
their academic performance.
And it's not guaranteed.

1579
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,360
There's always outliers.
I mean, that's important.

1580
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,200
People might listen, but like,
well, my child's this.

1581
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,600
I didn't think exactly.
Yeah, of course we're not saying

1582
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,640
individuals a million different
reasons that it might not fit

1583
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,560
that correlation, but there's a.
Correlation.

1584
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,720
Yeah, exactly.
I'm just saying that the kind of

1585
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,800
spread of the blame, let's say,
yeah, is much heavily, more

1586
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,680
heavily loaded onto the
teacher's shoulders, Yeah, for

1587
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,320
attainment.
Where actually I do agree that

1588
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,240
that that load, sure the teacher
has an impact should be split,

1589
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,920
but it should be split a little
bit more than it currently.

1590
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,400
Is, and again, well, I think
everything comes down to

1591
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,720
culture.
It's just culture of parenting.

1592
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,520
It's like, OK, do do you, do you
talk positively about school

1593
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,080
with your kids at home?
Yes or no?

1594
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,800
That's going to have an impact.
Do you actively make get them to

1595
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,320
read yes or no?
That's going to have an impact.

1596
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,600
Do you help them with their
homework or not?

1597
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,320
That's going to have an impact.
There's loads of little things

1598
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,760
where it's like it's all just
cultural.

1599
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,280
If you add them all together,
you will find the correlation

1600
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,280
between parents that do none of
those things ever for 16 years

1601
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,320
and parents that do all of those
things all the time, 16 years.

1602
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,480
There is some correlation there
between how much impact it makes

1603
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,240
and their progress.
So yeah, I do think there is

1604
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,920
some accountability to be had.
What about behaviour?

1605
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,560
Parents, yeah, same behaviour.
I think it's probably the same

1606
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,680
to me.
I reckon people would naturally

1607
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,520
think behaviour is more on
parents, but I think it's about

1608
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,240
the same.
I just think people undervalue

1609
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,280
their their their parents
importance on like progress and

1610
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,560
attainment of school.
And we talk about really high

1611
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,040
expectations and routines and
having standards that we don't

1612
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,520
budget from and how hard that is
to do.

1613
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,960
It's it's also hard to do as a
parent and, and it is quite

1614
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,640
easy.
I know a lot of children.

1615
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,000
How many times as a teacher have
you listening to this right now?

1616
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,320
Have you sat at parents evening
and a parent has gone.

1617
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,440
Whoa.
They're not like that at home.

1618
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,440
Yeah.
Like the children are putting on

1619
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:21,920
a performance for you sometimes
at school.

1620
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And, and I'm not saying I'm not.

1621
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,360
My point here is those parents
are doing a hard job.

1622
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,560
Yeah.
Because they're dealing with the

1623
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:28,600
output.
You know, I always want to.

1624
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,160
Say, and they're teaching
children to do well at school.

1625
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,000
Sorry, no.
No, yeah, I always want to say

1626
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,520
that.
Obviously I never would.

1627
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,320
It's like, yeah, you should meet
me at home.

1628
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,400
Yeah, we all, we're all
different.

1629
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,760
Like school is a place of work
for them as well.

1630
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,080
It is the same thing that, OK,
it might not be a paid job, but

1631
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,000
it is the same concept in your
head.

1632
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,360
They are coming to school.
They're not at home in the home

1633
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:47,440
environment.
They are at school.

1634
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,040
And just like I am, I don't
behave like I behave at home at

1635
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,480
school.
You behave terribly at home.

1636
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,440
Yeah, I'm way better.
I'm way nicer at school.

1637
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,120
But it's.
True.

1638
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,440
And I think that's what I'm
saying where it's like down to

1639
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,080
the parents.
I, I don't think what what I'm

1640
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,560
saying is parents, you should be
judged as harshly as we are in

1641
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,640
school with behaviour.
No, I think teachers should be

1642
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,840
judged more on how behaviour is
controlled in school.

1643
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,000
I think part of it might be to
do the parents, but comparing it

1644
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,480
to like progress and things like
that, I don't think this is a

1645
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,760
holistic thing.
I think we can separate these

1646
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,160
two things out.
Whereas with progress it was, we

1647
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,720
all need to be working on the
same hymn sheet for good

1648
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,880
progress for behaviour.
I, I think children can behave

1649
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,560
very differently in and out of
school and it be fine and it be

1650
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,360
acceptable.
And I still think you can teach

1651
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,160
your kids.
There are certain situations

1652
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,000
where you do not shout out, you
do not talk over people, you

1653
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,080
show respect.
When you're at home, you can

1654
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,760
chill out and play Fortnite and
put off something.

1655
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,040
You know, You can still treat
your adults with respect and you

1656
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,080
can still do things like that.
But I think there's less burden

1657
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,080
there in school.
I think teachers have more

1658
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,000
control and behaviour.
That's actually a really good

1659
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,120
point because also it's like
some of the rules that you have

1660
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,920
in school of like, you know,
talking nicely to to your

1661
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,880
partners and stuff.
It's like when you go home, the

1662
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,200
other kids aren't actually
there, are they?

1663
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,640
Some of those rules don't even
exist.

1664
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,800
Sit nicely in your chair.
Do you sit like that at home?

1665
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,120
Obviously I don't.
I've got a bean bag.

1666
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:00,400
Of course, I don't.
Yeah.

1667
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,720
So we invent these rules and
strict regimes in school that

1668
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,400
clearly don't have to be upheld
at home to that degree.

1669
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:08,440
Yeah.
So I think it's slightly.

1670
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,960
Different now, is it important
that parents held accountable?

1671
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,800
Yeah, I think so.
I think basically the correct.

1672
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,560
This goes down to I think both
schools and parents are

1673
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,040
accountable overall together.
What the split is exactly, I

1674
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:21,760
don't know, but it is definitely
both.

1675
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,200
And I think the problem this
person probably has is, and I do

1676
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,800
agree with this, is it has
shifted over time.

1677
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,200
It has shifted.
Let's say it was 5050.

1678
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,720
Everyone agreed it's half the
schools, half the parents job.

1679
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,400
And collectively we do it.
It does seem to feel like now

1680
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,960
it's like 99% of the school
every, every fault is because of

1681
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,440
the school 1% of the time for
the parents.

1682
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,520
And it does feel like that's
that's the way.

1683
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,240
I'm sure a lot of parents
wouldn't say that, but no, it

1684
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,440
feels like that and and with the
Daily Mail.

1685
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,640
Yeah, exactly that.
And I would say from my point of

1686
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,720
view, I always say this, 95 to
98% of the parents I work with

1687
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,080
are bloody lovely.
Couldn't do more for that kid.

1688
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,120
Yeah, right on board, always
supportive.

1689
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,280
I think it's a bit of it's easy
to focus on the couple who

1690
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,240
caused you a problem and
extrapolate it.

1691
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,480
Then we need to work hard as
teachers to not do that.

1692
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,160
I think a lot of parents do
really well the best they can

1693
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,800
because they're not educators at
the end of the day.

1694
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,120
When we say to do loads of stuff
at home, yeah, you're not an

1695
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,720
educator though.
And we're going to do an episode

1696
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:12,880
in the future about
homeschooling.

1697
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,680
We are a public service for.
You exactly.

1698
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,280
And that that is, you know, the
end of the day, there is some

1699
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,960
things we have to swallow.
But when you look at the means

1700
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,920
and stuff like the cartoon I saw
recently, which was 1980 to

1701
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,400
2024, and it was like in 1980,
it was parents evening and the

1702
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,400
parents turning to the child
saying, why not behaving?

1703
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,640
And in 2024, it's the parent
turning to the teacher.

1704
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,240
Why is my child not behaving?
Yeah, I do think that paradigm

1705
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,840
is shifted.
I don't necessarily think it's

1706
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,520
as incredibly over the top as
it's sometimes portrayed.

1707
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,560
And, and everyone, everyone in
life likes to blame the other

1708
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,440
party, as simple as that.
You just do, don't you?

1709
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,440
If you're a teacher, you're
going to want to be a bit more

1710
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,000
like, oh, it's the parents.
It's not my fault as a parent.

1711
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,560
And if you're a parent, you're
going to be like, well, I was a

1712
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:54,520
teacher.
They didn't teach them this

1713
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,840
thing.
How often as a primary school

1714
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,000
teacher have you gone?
What do they do in nursery or?

1715
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,400
Yeah, what did?
Yeah, probably in the.

1716
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:03,680
Infant School.
School.

1717
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,480
Like came up there and isn't it
every year comes up worse.

1718
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,480
It's weird.
Because secondary school

1719
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,160
teachers also seem to think you
did nothing in primary school

1720
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,240
and you're the person in primary
school.

1721
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,400
And then it's like, no, no, we
did loads.

1722
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,520
They just forgot it.
What those kids?

1723
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,840
I'm sat in year 6 knowing that
loads of my kids will go to year

1724
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,120
seven.
In year seven, teachers will be

1725
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,040
like.
What have they done?

1726
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,120
What have?
They done and I'm thinking

1727
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,720
that's so much.
Yeah, exactly.

1728
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,160
So, you know, the natural
thought and reaction isn't

1729
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,000
always necessarily the one
that's actually true.

1730
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,280
And I think that's a little bit
of the case there, but I do

1731
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,440
think it's shifted.
Yeah, absolutely.

1732
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,400
Hayden, I'm going to ask you
something.

1733
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,120
I've not asked you all all
Podcast 8.

1734
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,200
What would you rate that would
be?

1735
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,000
That ruined it, didn't it?
Yeah, it did.

1736
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,200
Probably.
I think that's a good one.

1737
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:39,520
That's nine out of. 10 This is
good 9.

1738
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,920
That was good, yeah, average for
all of them.

1739
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,400
Wait, let's work this out.
How many is it?

1740
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,440
That's six.
So we've got add them all up on

1741
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,160
me.
So it's nine, add 9, add nine,

1742
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,840
add 9, add nine, add 9.
This is good about mass

1743
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,760
efficiency.
Divide that by 6.

1744
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.

1745
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,200
Wait a minute, I don't know how
to times by 6 and divide by 6

1746
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,640
quickly if it was 7.
We'd be all right, we'd be fine,

1747
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,080
but we wouldn't, would we?
Oh guys, thank you so much for

1748
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,640
this thing.
I'm really, really interested to

1749
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:05,920
know what you think about any of
those opinions.

1750
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,280
That was genuinely blind.
That was our first.

1751
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,280
We might listen to this and be
like, Christ, did I say that?

1752
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,640
I don't think we will.
Then they were really good,

1753
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,840
really good chat.
Yeah, I like doing that, which

1754
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,240
is more of those, I think.
Yeah.

1755
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,440
Harvest opinions, think on the
spot.

1756
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,040
Yeah, Yeah.
It also meant I got to talk

1757
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:19,960
more.
Yeah, he did.

1758
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,520
Yeah, I didn't like that.
No.

1759
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,680
Well, one bit anyway.
Any new listeners?

1760
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,520
This is not normal.
Normally, Dylan's interrupting

1761
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,400
me every two minutes.
I don't.

1762
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,760
Know what you mean?
I don't know what you mean, but

1763
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,560
you'll be pleased to know one of
those opinions was from your

1764
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,280
best friend.
We'll leave that now, so I'll

1765
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:34,960
try and.
Work it out.

1766
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,640
Yeah, I know.
For anyone who doesn't know,

1767
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,160
Hayden does have a best friend.
Yeah, you might work it out over

1768
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,600
the next few weeks.
She's been a guest on our

1769
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,920
podcast twice although.
That's that's massively narrowed

1770
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,920
it down.
Has it to Oh, you've narrowed it

1771
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,280
down from you've narrowed it
down from 4 billion women in the

1772
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,200
world to one woman who's been on
the podcast.

1773
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,040
Sophie, we love you've.
Given it away.

1774
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,120
Now giving it away right?
Anyway, really enjoyed that.

1775
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,000
We'll sign off, have an amazing
first week back at school if

1776
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,680
it's your first week back.
If it's your third week back,

1777
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,280
hope you surviving.
Hope it's all also amazing.

1778
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,680
Get in touch with us.
See you guys.

1779
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,640
Right us.
And that, yeah.