Ep 74: How To Smash Your Teacher Training: 12 Tips To Success

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Sleep

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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My name is Hayden.
And we are two UK primary school

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teachers and we're still on our
summer holidays.

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Hayden, how's some of this?
We're in week two of our summer

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holidays.
Only Week 2.

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Only week two, and it wasn't
long ago that I was saying,

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Dylan, let's not do an episode
this week, let's have a break.

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And he was like, no, Hayden,
we've got to commit.

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And I was like, no, Dylan, we
need a break.

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No, but we're here.
We are attention seeking people

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and if we keep doing episodes,
keep getting those little clicks

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on and our audience are happy
and they want to hear.

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Maybe one day these customers
will be making us some money

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from the podcast.
Customers, we call them clients

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guys, if you could follow us on
Instagram at teach them podcast,

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I'm sorry, I say it's so quick
though.

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So at teach the repeat podcast,
we'd be really grateful.

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And if you're listening to this
right now, do you know what that

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means?
They are.

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You've obviously given us a 5
star paradox because someone

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here someone we have been
getting reviews so but surely on

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Spotify, but that that that
thing happened that we don't

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like to mention.
And I know you know, give give

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four stars.
I can't find I can't right, but

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someone gave a review right,
which meant we went from 5 star

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perfect review on Spotify to
4.90.

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It hurts my ears.
Now that could very easily just

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mean someone giving us giving us
a legitimate 4 star review.

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However, Five please.
So if you haven't given a review

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on Spotify, could you please do
so sort of bump us back up to

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that perfect five What, Dylan?
Really means is if you haven't

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given us a review, give us a 5
star review, not any old review.

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I imagine someone just really
nice.

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Of course I will.
Almost a beautiful star pattern.

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I'll just pick a random *.
If you could then be really

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grateful if you clicked on this
episode and you're a brand new

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listener, Paradox. #2.
Not at all if you've clicked in

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this episode and you're a brand
new listener.

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All right, right.
So well done.

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Backfired.
This happens a lot straight

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away.
Hayden tries to catch me out and

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fails mostly.
You've probably clicked in this

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because you wanting some advice
about how to smash your training

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year.
So we'll make you wait for that

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because we're gonna have a
little catch about a week first.

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So Hayden, how's your week off
been?

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What's the two guys that you
don't care about?

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Let's go.
And no, nothing at all.

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Yeah.
Same.

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No.
No.

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No, we have.
We've had a great week because

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we spent part of our some
holidays in Brighton.

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We did together.
We did, and I.

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Yep.
And obviously children, yeah,

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their family and stuff about
that baggage.

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It was nice though, wasn't it,
to go away.

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Baggage.
One day they're gonna grow up,

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but listen to.
This They're not baggage.

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You are beautiful, lovely
children.

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They're not listening, mate,
don't worry about it.

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Yeah, paradox number four
children don't listen to Still

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can't count.
That's the third one.

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I love hyperbole, OK?
I like exaggerating and I'll let

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you think what number three was.
We cut it out of the podcast.

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To me, we don't do.
Seamless cuts, yeah.

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If you watch this, if you watch
this, if you watch this podcast,

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paradox #3 can't speak either
paradox #4 then have you noticed

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our cuts before?
Because we've been quite proud

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when we have had to cut it.
Obviously if you're watching it

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it's just a very jaunty, but
audio sounds pretty good I

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think.
Great first few minutes for any

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new listeners, this is this is a
good start.

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But yeah, we went to Brighton
and there's there's something

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about breaking up the summer
holiday, because this is going

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to sound outrageous.
I'm going to put my neck on the

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line.
The summer holidays get a bit

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boring, OK?
And it's, it's ridiculous

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because.
People and honestly.

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Know they go on and on about it.
What do you want?

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But they're really, really nice
and you get to catch up on

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stuff, don't get me wrong.
But breaking it up with little

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things I find like having a
start and an end to this holiday

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sounds ridiculous.
Brighton was like part of my

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start of the holiday.
Now I'm in the bulk thing.

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I don't mind doing a bit of
work, like, oh, I've had a

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little bit of a break.
I'm kind of ready now to do a

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bit of work, whether it's let's,
you know, get ready for

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September or do a bit of our
business that we want to do.

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Go ahead.
I feel like I feel refreshed

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enough to kind of plough into
something.

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Won't do it though, will we?
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No, I know you won't if you
plan.

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I'll tell you.
What?

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Let's do a bet right now and
we'll put it on Instagram.

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When we we won't, we'll forget.
But.

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I don't know.
I'll remember because I found

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the Instagram.
You'll forget because you do.

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I run it.
You do three stories a year.

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One of them must be sleeping.
And every day.

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Thank you.
Too busy running our business,

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Dylan.
I think it's a good, a good

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little trade off.
You run our business, which like

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sustains our mortgage payments
and stuff.

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Yeah, and I don't need all kind.
Of polls on Instagram about the.

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Teachers.
But you know, if it all pays off

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one day you'll be laughing at
me.

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Yeah.
Well anyway, a little bit end of

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this summer I reckon I'm going
to message.

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You.
Oh, I just got a cramp.

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Oh.
Guys, I got a cramp live on air.

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We're keeping this.
Are we going to keep this in?

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Yeah.
You still got it.

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Oh my gosh, a little bit crown
is Oh my God, crown this.

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Really is the worst episode
you've ever listened to and

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you're still here 5 minutes in.
They've got a big twinge down

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the side of my legs.
Twinge, right?

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Go and carry on.
You've been watching too much

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Olympics.
Just watching the swimming gives

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me crown.
Yeah.

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Sorry, go on.
Well listen, what's the bet?

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I'm staring at this leg now.
I'm invested.

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The bet is 2 days before we go
back to school.

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I reckon you will have not done
any planning yet.

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Oh, for September?
Absolutely not.

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Absolutely not.
So, yeah, but I will do it for

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our business.
Yeah, we need to do that anyway.

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No, Brighton was really good.
Favourite part?

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You know what I think it was the
lanes, wasn't it?

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Right.
Anyone.

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Anyone who's been to Brighton
before or heard about Brighton,

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it's big on Instagram
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You know, our partners were
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we're like, OK, number one,
don't pick the hottest day of

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the year to walk two nine month
old children around a place

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you've never been before.
Because number two, we have no

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idea where we were going.
And apparently the lasings are

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just these these streets in
Brighton full of like

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independent shops that will
hustle and bustle apparently

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cool, nice things.
So we were just being led on

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this hot day like, well, at
least at least Lauren knows

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where she goes.
So go down the laser.

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Nice tree.
Apparently the lanes are just

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rows and rows of empty streets
with bins and and no, no people

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around that.
Yeah, no, I think we were just

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in the wrong place.
But when we did find out lanes,

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we were pleased to know that we
can buy jewellery from 35

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different stores, all
back-to-back next to each other.

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That was the best bit.
Be honest, it was, it was really

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nice and stuff, but there was
genuinely 35 jewellery stores in

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a row next to each other.
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How do they make any kind of
money where I do you know, I

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would like a wristband?
Bracelet, same sort.

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Of thing that wrist bad
bracelet.

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I like a wristband made of gold.
What should I wish like?

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Well, I'll tell you where you
should go.

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You should go to the lanes in
Brighton made because you got 35

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shots in a row the exact same.
Stuff they all sell the same.

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Thing so that is a money
laundering slide about every

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like.
How, I'm sorry, is I'm not

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making money.
If you live in Brighton, you're

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a listener.
Please please provide us with an

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itinerary.
Without any bright listeners.

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Don't worry about that if.
We haven't come back.

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Big if.
If you're a dentist, it is in

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Brighton.
No, not the dentist.

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They're already after me.
If you get that dentist

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reference, we love you.
Thank you.

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Thanks.
And the customer reference from

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earlier, even older.
Love you more.

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Yeah.
And if you're still watching

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after this horrendous start and
you're a brand new listener, I

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promise you we have some good
advice on the way.

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I promise.
That's a big promise.

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But yeah, I'd like to.
I liked the aquarium.

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Ukraine was good.
That was nice it.

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Was alright.
It was alright.

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Wasn't as big as I thought was
gonna be.

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No.
You guys picked it up a lot.

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Yeah.
I I remember it being a lot

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better maybe 'cause I was a
child.

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Yeah.
And when you're a child,

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everything is bigger and better.
Yeah, exactly.

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So what you looking at is a
flying room?

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Fly in the room.
My eyes on you.

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Fly.
You better not.

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My mind this really is the most
professional best podcast you're

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ever.
You can tell us some holidays

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and I didn't want to do.
This episode, do you want to do

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it?
Honestly, I got into Aliens

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House thinking we're gonna do
the podcast and he literally

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went, oh, how do we tell the
customers we're not gonna do it?

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We just get a Curry instead.
We're still getting, still gonna

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get.
Well, we're not.

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But yeah, anyway, it is summer,
a bit less lethargy in the room.

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It feels we need to pack
ourselves like a bit with

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lethargy. 11 quick story on
understanding how words are I've

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spoken, I wanna, I wanna give to
someone is, you know, firstly,

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when you, if you're an avid
reader as a child, you tend to

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pronounce words wrong.
So if people say words wrong and

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it's fun, it's embarrassing,
isn't it?

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If you grew up thinking a word
is pronounced a certain way,

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what it usually means is you've
not actually ever heard the

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word, but you're an avid reader,
you've seen it written down,

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you've picked it up.
A couple of things I never knew

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how to say properly were Quays.
A couple of things.

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Yeah, I still don't know, but
one was Quays and I was always

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see Quays written down.
I'd be like, oh, a Quay is

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obviously by like a dock or
something, something to do with

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the water, because the character
would always go to the Quays

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when they wanted to go into a
boat or something.

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Turns out it's keys you had like
the Suffolk Quay or something

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like yeah, it's.
I also didn't know.

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Yeah, I know.
Because I can picture the word

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Quays right now.
Yeah, exactly.

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And you think, oh, a Quay.
It's like, no, it's a key.

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You pronounce it key.
And then when you say, oh,

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heading down to the keys, it's
usually like down to the edge of

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the river and there's like boats
and stuff.

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And another one was it's like
old English, I think, or I don't

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know if it's just a different
way to spell the word is, is I

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was like a goler and I was like,
oh, what a goler.

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It must be something to do with
prisons because it's a goler.

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And it was like GOALER.
And I was like this person who

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worked in a, in a gaol was
called a goler.

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No, no, it's pronounced Jayla.
It's just spelt differently.

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And it's just a gaoler and they
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they're in charge of the keys
and stuff in the prison.

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So in.
Charge of the Quays in.

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Charge of the Quays.
The goal is in charge of the

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Quays.
So like on this kind of theme, I

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still, now as an adult, I don't
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I still sometimes see words and
I'm like, oh, I, I don't know,

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like and and next, next level
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I don't know what this word is
'cause it's it's written down

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another, another.
Throwback.

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You know what that means?
From when you read underfed as

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underfed to a bunch of kids all
the way.

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Whole thing in your glass.
We're trying to figure out what

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undefed mean.
Tip #1 Everybody just give me

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Fazer.
Don't get too embarrassed when

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you when you do something wrong
in front of a whole class of.

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Children just own it.
It's normal carrying on.

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But anyway, we were talking to
one of our tutors about trying

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to figure out when it's good for
them to run their groups and

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stuff next year.
And this tutor got back to us

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and said, oh, actually next year
something's changed in my school

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and my timetable's changed and
my husband's, you know, work has

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changed, blah, blah, blah.
And anyway, the end bit was she

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was, she didn't have as many
restrictions anymore as to when

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she had to teach.
So she had more options open to

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when we could place her and give
her a group so she could get

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tutoring.
And she said because of all

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this, she was more freer now.
And I was like, oh, more freer.

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And I had to talk to her and
pretend I knew what that meant.

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FREE.
R yeah, I'd talk to him and be

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like, oh, Freer.
Yeah, yeah, I know what freer

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means.
We're all freer.

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Every now and then.
I mean, in the back of my head,

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I, like, need to look up what
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I hope it means that she could
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something.
So yeah, much more.

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Freer had a whole conversation
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And then I had to afterwards go
on my phone and be like.

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I wonder what that?
Does mean and I searched up and

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then freer and had a definition
underneath and it said, you

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know, something along the lines
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And I was like, oh, it does mean
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OK.
And I just heard one minute I

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was like, wait a minute, that
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She just meant she was freer,
more freer than she was

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previously.
Just completely read it wrong.

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Did exactly what I did with
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didn't notice at the moment of
looking it up that it just said

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underfed because I was like, oh,
the definition makes sense.

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Yeah.
But it didn't like.

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Clarify how the context works.
Yeah, but the pronunciation,

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Basically, there's no way to
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just telling someone how to
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Number one most mispronounced
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Oh yeah, that I've ever heard
from people.

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Do ever.
You know what it?

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Is no mischievous mischievous?
Nearly everyone I know says

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mischievous or mischievous.
Yeah, really messed up how I

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thought the word was spelled,
actually, for a long time.

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Yeah, you say mischievous.
Mischievous.

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Yeah, mischievous.
So that may be a bit less

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mischievous from us.
Yeah, is that root word

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mischievous?
Should we move on to our advice

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for these?
These, they've been there for

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how long now?
10 minutes?

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Yeah, they probably doesn't
have.

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Some, but she still listens I
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Rishi.
Stood it.

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He's got a lot of spare time in
his hands now.

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Yeah.
Why?

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Why?
Why is he trained to be a

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teacher?
Yeah, no, I think he might be.

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Yeah.
Yeah, He made more ads about it.

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I must.
Say pretty good career prospects

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and money compared to what he's
earning now.

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Yeah, I couldn't know.
Yeah, close, close.

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The numbers definitely step
around.

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Has a lot of respect for the
profession.

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He's trying to step me off on
the.

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No, Yeah, sorry.
Right.

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Stick around.
We're doing the Jingle now.

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Yeah.
Ignore Dylan.

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OK, bye.
OK, ever the professional,

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Hayden always writes down when
we have to cut in, do little

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jiggles and stuff.
And we're trying to do this

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quickly.
We want our Curry.

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So we're like, let's just do
this.

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We cut off then, and Hayden's
hands went like onto the desk.

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Oh, oh, there's no paper here.
So we got a used bit of tissue.

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A used bit of tissue.
And he's just written down the

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timestamp for when we need to
cut it in.

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Well, that is.
Absolute professionalism.

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Maybe it's summer holidays.
You're I am not here to be.

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You're so mischievous.
I just, I just struck your name

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back.
You.

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Did and that would have winked
you out.

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That wasn't mischievous.
Maybe one of my hairs stand up

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right.
Oh, that's.

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Great, I have that effect on
people, right?

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You're here because you want to
know how to smash your teacher

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training.
No, I'm here because I'm doing a

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podcast.
No, no, no, no, sorry.

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You're talking to the audience.
I'm talking to the audience.

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I'm breaking the 4th floor.
So we like, if you, again,

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you've listened to us for a
while, you know this already,

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but Hayden and I have been been
teaching for nearly a decade now

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each.
So that's like 20 years between

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US.
And we at one point did actually

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have to learn to be a teacher.
So we're going to cast our mind

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back to that.
I think you and I both had

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successful journeys through
qualifying as a teacher.

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And there are a lot of stories
you might hear from people who

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really struggle with it.
And that is just the reality of,

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you know, training for this job.
I mean, it's a lot.

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A lot of up and downs, though I
wouldn't say it was a linear

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path for.
Me, no, for me it's pretty up

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all the way.
Yeah.

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So yeah, came out as a
specialist, don't know about you

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as a math specialist to pastor.
Brilliant wow, but you can't

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wait to hear.
His advice?

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No.
But jokes aside, it was it was

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such an experience and I felt
like I grew up, grew up a lot in

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that time.
Hayden and I both did a PGC, so

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we did our teacher teacher
training for a year after having

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already got a university degree.
So I got a degree in history.

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Hayden got a degree in something
completely pointless radio

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television, radio, television,
which he uses all the time now

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to make this podcast.
Thank you.

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And but again, lots of people
choose the three-year course.

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Both our partners went down the
three-year route.

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So this this advice here is for
either of those routes that you

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might on.
Other routes because there's

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lots of.
Routes, yes, Schools Direct, for

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example, is a big one, but
basically if you're trained to

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be a teacher, it's overwhelming.
It is absolutely overwhelming

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whether you succeed or if you
struggle or if there are UPS or

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downs like Hayden's been saying
you.

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It is massively overwhelming
going into this and what I was

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basically getting to there was I
felt like I grew up a lot in

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that year.
I went from a uni student who

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was dozing about, had a
supermarket job that you know,

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wasn't really, you know, there
was no purpose to it.

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I was just putting main beans on
the shelf to in this year,

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suddenly I had to teach
children.

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I was in a school.
I felt like a professional for

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the 1st.
Busier than ever.

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A bit easier than ever.
I'm going to come on to that in

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a second.
So there's loads of ways that

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you can smash this.
And if you're prepared and you

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understand what's going to come
up, that's a big kind of pro

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straight away.
And I think what we're going to

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do is go through all of these
points.

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We've got we managed to splurge
down 12 points.

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So we're going to whizz through
them, talk about our experience

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and why we think it's important
for you to know this, for you to

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smash this as well.
So we're going to help you have

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a successful training journey.
And number one, I want to start

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as off Hayden and and this
sounds very generic.

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And I remember I said to and
you're a bit like, Nah, it's a

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bit of a naff point, but I think
it's really important because it

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comes as a double sided coin
almost is to absolutely be

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prepared to throw yourself into
this.

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This is not something you cannot
train to be a teacher half

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heartedly.
You have to know and be prepared

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and understand what is about to
happen in order to kind of

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reduce the shock because it is
incredibly intense and there's

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no beating around the Bush.
Yeah, it's such a slog.

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And you'll know actually when
you start your course.

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There's all, there's always at
least someone who does fit the

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category of gumming who goes
into it thinking I can do this

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on, you know, kind of on the
side.

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It's just a bit of a laugh going
out, you know, going out and

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drinking is my main thing.
And and you you'll just, you'll

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just, you'll see the difference.
That's all I need to say because

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everyone's got one of their
goals where you think, oh, wow,

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they're going to struggle and
they do because it is very

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intense.
So just, you just need to be

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ready for it.
We're not trying to put you off

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by saying that.
We're just trying to just make

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you aware really, that your mind
needs to be ready to be like, I

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am going to dedicate my life to
this for the next year, two

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years, three years.
We'll have long your courses.

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And I think if you're taking the
PGCE, just being realistic now,

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it is much more intense.
So it's an intense situation

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anyway.
You've got to do a lot of

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university work, You've got to
go into placements in school.

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We'll break that all down in a
second.

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But if you are choosing the PGC
route as well, you are cramming

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essentially all of that into one
year.

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And it, it, it feels it, you
know, having done the PGC

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myself, I've seen people, you
know, quit after two months,

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three months, four months.
I've even seen people quit

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towards the end of the year
because it just got too much.

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And you know, we can sit here
and discuss whether that's right

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or wrong, But you know what?
That is just how it is.

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It's a It's a tricky profession
to learn how to.

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It was a tough year.
It was it was probably the

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hardest year of my career
genuinely in in terms of we're

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deeming hardness now on like how
much time it takes up.

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Sure, I I absolutely lived and
breathed teaching for that year.

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Like everything I was every
evening I was doing some little

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essay or research or reading
something in the days we're

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doing placements at certain
times of the year, if not was at

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university every single day,
early starts, late finishes.

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Like it was a really intense
year, but I but I loved it.

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You know when you it's like,
it's like a hobby, You know,

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when you really get into a hobby
and you just want to do it all

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the time.
I was fully, fully engrossed in

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it.
So it was a good experience But

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I but it was a shock to the
system because I was proper lazy

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before that.
I was doing nothing before this,

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before this year.
So it was a real shock.

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I think the placements really
force you into that mindset of

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you've got to get it done.
Yeah, because you could, you

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physically can't teach unless
you planned a lesson.

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You know, you really have to.
And you're surrounded by other

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people who are living it as
their job.

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And I think one, one thing I
will say right now is when I say

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throw yourself into it.
You may have had previous

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podcasts where we've been like
don't, don't push yourself.

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Don't do too much as a teacher
because it's going to burn you

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out and you're going to you're
not getting paid and

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compensated.
I think, though, when you're

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training, I think it is really
important to throw yourself into

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it.
Yeah.

452
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,000
It's really important to
understand that you are not

453
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,360
actually doing this year to be
compensated.

454
00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,360
You are learning.
You are in university.

455
00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,360
You know, you, you have to do
work in university without

456
00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:43,720
necessarily getting compensated
for it.

457
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,040
And, and I think if you're
choosing to go into teaching,

458
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,280
you have to really, really want
to do it.

459
00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,840
Yeah.
And if you don't want to do it,

460
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,200
I think you'll be found out
quite quickly.

461
00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,120
So throw yourself into it.
You know, teach the kids.

462
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,520
Get in front of them, talk to
people are going to break it

463
00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,040
down exactly now how the actual
intricacies of doing that and

464
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,920
what it looks like.
But I think the number one thing

465
00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,800
is if you're not prepared to
throw yourself into it, you are

466
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,520
going to struggle.
Yeah, Second tip is to help with

467
00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,640
the struggle because you know
people struggle anyway, even if

468
00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:10,760
you are going to throw yourself
into it.

469
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,120
And then and then try and enjoy
the process and make a support

470
00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:14,520
group.
Just just make some mates.

471
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,840
Find someone or a group of
people that you can just go on

472
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,040
this journey with.
It doesn't even necessarily have

473
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,360
to be someone on the course,
although that.

474
00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:23,120
Would make things easier.
It should be.

475
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:24,560
Really, it should.
Be yeah, definitely.

476
00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,880
But you know, find have a
support group, people around

477
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,040
you.
There's going to be times when

478
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,480
you're just totally stressed out
and burned out and thinking, Oh,

479
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,120
I can't do this.
I'm going to quit.

480
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,000
And actually you just need
someone to be no, you're going

481
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,360
to be fine.
And really just, you know,

482
00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,440
begging you up and backing you
up because I tell you what, if

483
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,840
you can get through this year,
if it's a PGC and you can get

484
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,280
through that year, or if you can
get through your three-year

485
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,800
course, come out at the end of
it with your qualification in

486
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,600
your, your teacher credentials
and all that you've done the

487
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,080
hardest bit, genuinely, you've
done that.

488
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,360
And.
And sometimes it's not even

489
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,160
about having someone tell you,
no, you can do it.

490
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,360
It's about someone else saying,
oh, my God, I feel the same way.

491
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,120
Yeah, we're gonna struggle
through together.

492
00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:56,440
It's gonna feel like we can't do
it.

493
00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,120
But my goodness, me, at least I
know that these seven other

494
00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:03,120
people, yeah, who I can speak to
and are on the end of the line,

495
00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,840
they know how tricky this is as
well.

496
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,640
And I will say, having done the
PGCE, a huge reason why I look

497
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,480
back on my PGC was such fondness
was that I can't we kind of

498
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,120
curated that little group.
Yeah, there are five of us.

499
00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:19,520
I would say when I do my PGCE
where I knew I could go in a bit

500
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,880
early, go to the canteen, have a
breakfast, travel in with a

501
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,520
couple of people.
One of them I still work with

502
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,760
now.
The other one we go with Currys

503
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,160
with still who's local.
Yeah.

504
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,840
You know, and actually made
friendships there where it

505
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,520
pushed me to go in and do stuff.
When I was doing my

506
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,480
undergraduate degree, when I was
at history, I didn't bother

507
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,320
trying to make those links with
people.

508
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:40,800
Yeah, because I, I went to
university, I stayed at home.

509
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,000
I just travelled in.
I went in, did the job, came

510
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,240
back and I didn't put myself in
those situations.

511
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,000
And because of that, I feel like
I didn't get as much out of it.

512
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,480
Yeah.
Whereas once I made those

513
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,600
support groups, when it came to
teaching, not only could I then,

514
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,560
you know, we went ready service
houses to write essays and sit

515
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,960
together and do research
together.

516
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,280
We had a WhatsApp group where I
knew I could throw anything in

517
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,000
there and they'd be like, Oh
yes, same.

518
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,160
You know, we, we had this thing
where I had to get 2 lessons

519
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,720
done.
I had to do 2 lessons today.

520
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,240
Oh my goodness, Oh my God, same.
And and that, that kind of

521
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,720
journey through going from
absolute novice to at the end of

522
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,640
it being a successful teacher.
That was such a huge part,

523
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,760
having that happen in.
Brilliant, brilliant.

524
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,200
Let's talk about what actually
happens now talk about, you

525
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,600
know, you get, you're going to
go there day one, go to uni.

526
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,480
What do you actually get from
this course?

527
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,520
What are you going to be
expecting?

528
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,880
Because there's kind of two
elements, isn't there really to

529
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,360
teacher training in general.
That's again, for any type of

530
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,320
course.
Number one is the university

531
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,720
classic university lectures and
you know, whatever you do at a

532
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,640
university and then you've got
the placements as well where you

533
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,880
actually go into school and you
start that side of the teacher

534
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:43,920
training.
And they're, they're two

535
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,520
extremely different experiences.
And I don't want to jump too

536
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,080
much into the the whole point
about a lot of people have

537
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,880
opinions and they about the
placements being the bit that's

538
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,360
being battered is really
important.

539
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,880
I think the the point after this
we will talk about the placement

540
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,800
and why they are incredibly
important.

541
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:03,280
And I do think when you compare
them, it's fair enough to say

542
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,200
that you get more out of the
placements, OK?

543
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,280
However, your point here, number
three, this really important

544
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,840
point that you should all know
is don't let that make you

545
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,880
dismiss the university side, the
learning side.

546
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,760
So why is that?
Stuff, I really enjoyed it and I

547
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,680
know everyone's different and
maybe I'm just being biassed

548
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,960
here, but I think I got a lot
out of the lecture side of

549
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,080
stuff.
Not always them, not always,

550
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,040
Yeah, because there were some
days where I went in and I just

551
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,080
thought I honestly would leave
thinking that was a complete

552
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,280
waste of my time.
Like why are they, Why have they

553
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,520
prioritised?
Teach me that.

554
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,480
Yeah, like it's such a.
Well, for DT, for example, we'd

555
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,200
go in and we'd do a bin bag
fashion show.

556
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,920
Yeah.
And it was like, it was like, it

557
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,200
was almost as if we were the
primary school children and they

558
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,720
were like, we'll teach you how
to do this lesson.

559
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,240
And it was like, great.
I mean, we had a nice time.

560
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,440
It was kind of fun.
Yeah.

561
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,320
But there were other lectures
where I felt like I got more out

562
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,520
of it.
So what are those lectures that

563
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,520
you're?
Talking about just just to

564
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,120
quickly jump on that first
point, I also, I can honestly

565
00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,880
say that art and DT lectures
that I had or seminars, whatever

566
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,520
they were called, I didn't ever
use any of that stuff genuinely

567
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520
because they were so specific.
Like you said, that was like one

568
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,360
of them was to make an animal
out of like the scrap stuff.

569
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:11,320
And I was like, I've never done
a unit in 10 years of teaching

570
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,800
where I've actually needed to do
that thing.

571
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,240
It's just it.
Wasn't and it kind of wasn't

572
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,840
about how to go through the act
of creating the unit.

573
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,480
It was like, here's a unit
exists, let's try.

574
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,800
It exactly so that that leads
really nicely on to what I felt

575
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,920
like was was the good side of
universities, which was when it

576
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,480
went to the meta.
It wasn't about here is a

577
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720
lesson, let's all do it.
It was Here is how you teach

578
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,640
maths.
Sure.

579
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,160
Is how children learn things.
Here's how to create from a

580
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,920
curriculum to to a scheme of
work to a string of lessons.

581
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,280
And, and it all all fell under
for me anyway, the really,

582
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,400
really juicy stuff was child
psychology.

583
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,880
It was all the child psychology
stuff that that's what I found,

584
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,520
really.
Interesting.

585
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,960
I've been talking like I got ski
Bruner.

586
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,400
Like, yeah.
All of the.

587
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,000
Piaget, all Piaget.
Remember it?

588
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,600
The zone of proximal
development.

589
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,680
Yeah, I found that I, you know,
people sort of joke about it,

590
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,080
but it was really useful.
And I do genuinely, I think use

591
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,120
that in my understanding of,
well, I'm sat there with a kid

592
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,680
now and I and my job is to work
out what they can do, what they

593
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,960
don't know, what are their
blocks like, everything about

594
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,760
them in where they are on their
journey, where on the journey

595
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,960
and why they, you know, maybe
what's stopping them from

596
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600
getting to the next place.
It does all come into play.

597
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,040
I think of just being like, oh,
I understand that young brain

598
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,480
because it's very different to
an adult brain.

599
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,280
You can't just be like, well, I
learn like this.

600
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,960
I think that's one of the
biggest mistakes a lot of

601
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,640
teachers make.
Well, I've shown you how to do

602
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,600
it, why can't you?
Do it.

603
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,800
They expect kids to kind of be
able to pick things up in the

604
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,640
same way they do.
And it's like, well, no, you are

605
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,480
way, way, way further down that
line.

606
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Like you cannot compare yourself
and the way you learn with kids.

607
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,400
They learn so differently.
Their brains like sponges, but

608
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,280
they don't.
They're not the same as yours,

609
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,880
so.
And they've, they've got you.

610
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,000
As a teacher, I feel like our
biggest job.

611
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,080
And this is what excites, to be
honest, this is what I love

612
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,360
teaching, is to curate a way for
them to feel like they've

613
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,680
figured something out
themselves.

614
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,280
Exactly.
But you have given the scaffold,

615
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,000
so you've provided the context,
You've given them the the blocks

616
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,680
to build the tower, but they
still have built the tower

617
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,160
themselves.
And that's the kind of stuff

618
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,920
that I remember reading about,
sure that I could then go and

619
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,320
look and see in practise and I
and I could be like, oh.

620
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,280
When I was watching teachers,
for example, oh, they're doing

621
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,000
this thing that I've read about.
I understand that and and it

622
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,360
means more to me now.
And I don't necessarily think

623
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,560
that teachers are stood at the
front of the room going Piaget

624
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,280
unlocked.
I need to put this part of this,

625
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:22,560
you know, this, this, you know,
intellectual thought bubble into

626
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,200
practise like no, no, no, but do
you know what?

627
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,280
Understanding that at the start
and putting into practise and

628
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,760
doing it in your training.
Building on it.

629
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520
That is the foundations for you
to then be doing it naturally as

630
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:33,720
you as you go on.
So I think it makes a

631
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,840
difference.
Basically I think people are

632
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,520
quick to dismiss the lectures
and go oh whatever.

633
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,280
I I only, I only learn from the
placements.

634
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,680
But you'll just be surprised how
much subconscious stuff you pick

635
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040
up actually from reading all of
the research and.

636
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,600
OK, Quick question on this and
we'll move on to the next one

637
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,400
because it is linked with this
idea of, you know, learning to

638
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,440
be a teacher is also about this
child psychology and learning

639
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,680
the acts of teaching, right?
That's what you're talking about

640
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,920
here.
It's the actual lessons

641
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,720
themselves you can pick up
whenever.

642
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Anyone off the street probably
could look at a Lesson plan and

643
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,680
be like Oh well I'm building.
Up get the subject knowledge.

644
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,440
So you're talking very much
about like the the act of being

645
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,840
a teacher.
Can I see the bit that makes it

646
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,920
a degree?
Yeah, sure.

647
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,480
So qualification, do you think
having gone through all of this,

648
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,920
a teacher who has gone through
all the child psychology and

649
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,880
understands all this stuff, done
the essays and the research

650
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,520
etcetera, can a teacher teach
anything after they've done

651
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,280
that?
Because I spoke to a non teacher

652
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,720
who came to me and said, one of
my friends, my friends, they're

653
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,320
a teacher and they said to me
could teach anything.

654
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,280
Now that they've trained to be a
teacher, they feel like they

655
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,000
could teach anything.
Sure.

656
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,120
And and they were like, but
that's stupid, right?

657
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,440
Of course you can't.
And I I I.

658
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,040
No, I think, no, I agree.
Yeah, I because I think it's the

659
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,800
the act of teaching is almost
like a separate thing for the

660
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,560
subject knowledge.
And we've always, we've always,

661
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,160
always established that.
And you guys will pick that up

662
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,200
on your course if you're doing
that.

663
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,680
But I think, yeah, I think it's
really important to

664
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,800
differentiate between those.
I reckon if I had the time to

665
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,560
absorb the subject knowledge
properly, I probably could teach

666
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,840
any subject fairly successfully
to kids because I understand how

667
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,880
they learn.
Yeah, that's that's what I had

668
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,920
to.
Try and explain to this person.

669
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,360
It was basically saying what
they mean when they say this.

670
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,840
They don't mean suddenly that
they can now go and teach the

671
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,480
intricacies of economics in the
1950s of America because they

672
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,560
they they don't suddenly know
everything ever.

673
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,400
But what they mean is with the
time given.

674
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,360
To understand your subject
knowledge, which all teachers

675
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,720
need to do anyway.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

676
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,680
They could break that down into
small chunks and deliver it in a

677
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,320
way which is meaning that a
child understands something.

678
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,560
I agree.
Quick, quick side point, because

679
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,040
we didn't put it on here, but I
want to mention it.

680
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,840
Subject knowledge.
I'm going to say this right now.

681
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,840
Don't panic too much.
If anything, like me, I got

682
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,600
myself in such a rut over the
idea that I didn't know enough

683
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,280
stuff.
Like going into my first year of

684
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,800
teaching or by the end of this
teacher training year, I was

685
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,120
like I need to know every part
of the whole curriculum for

686
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,560
every subject.
You won't do it unless you're

687
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,760
crazy brainiac, but you just
won't do it.

688
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,120
And don't worry, you don't need
to.

689
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,760
Honestly it's the lowest down
the list in terms of what you

690
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,600
need to have absorbed to be a
good teacher.

691
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840
You can pick up the subject
knowledge when you need it as a

692
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,640
trainee teacher.
What I would say is you need to

693
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,640
know enough to pass the maths
test because remember there was

694
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,080
like a maths test and stuff like
that.

695
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,400
But what I would say is
genuinely is when you get your

696
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,400
placement and you know what
class you're in, what year group

697
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,600
you're in, don't even honestly,
don't even worry about learning

698
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520
the whole year group right?
Then just think about what's the

699
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,200
next term, what they're going to
do in maths that you're

700
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,800
planning.
Maybe it's a two week unit.

701
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Just understand everything of
that two week unit right there.

702
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,400
And then that is enough.
When you're starting, you will

703
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,800
pick stuff up and over the year
you'll pick up stuff naturally.

704
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,560
And also then you can push
yourself a bit more.

705
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720
If you were to go and pick a
random teacher genuinely in a

706
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,920
school and ask them, let's say
they're a year two teacher, If

707
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,200
you were to ask them what's on
the Year 5 curriculum for

708
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,320
fractions in maths, maths, I
wouldn't necessarily judge that

709
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,680
teacher if they didn't know what
was on there.

710
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,840
No, not at all.
So don't worry, you can be an

711
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,080
amazing teacher and do really
well in your year without

712
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,000
knowing the whole curriculum for
all the year groups ever.

713
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Yeah, because you'll want to
compare.

714
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,880
Yourself naturally with the
teachers that have been doing

715
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,800
for a long time and with
experience that is something

716
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,040
that does come, which is a kind
of nice perk to the job is you

717
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,040
do start to learn actually just
implicitly the whole curriculum,

718
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,480
the whole curriculum.
And it's great to know that, but

719
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320
you don't expect yourself to
know that straight away.

720
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,800
That's something you get with
experience.

721
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,080
There's a reason there's pay
progression and experience, you

722
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,080
know, points almost, there's
something, there's some, there's

723
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,240
some stuff you cannot.
You know, skip, you just got to

724
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,400
come.
It comes with experience.

725
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,680
OK, so moving on then I suppose
to you talked about the

726
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,480
university side of things and
for PGC and and a bachelor's

727
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,680
degree and stuff.
Absolutely.

728
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760
But there is other ways of
learning to be a teacher where

729
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,800
you're literally just on the
job.

730
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,320
You're in a school.
So every single person who

731
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,200
learns to be a teacher is in a
school at some point, whether

732
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,320
it's placements or they're
simply just there with village

733
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,720
schools direct.
They work in a school.

734
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,120
You can get paid now to train to
be a teacher working in a school

735
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,080
constantly.
It is widely regarded.

736
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,360
And I think it's absolutely
right to say if you're listening

737
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,160
now and about to go into your
training year, the placements

738
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,360
are the bit where you need to
absorb as much as possible.

739
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040
And the placements are
incredibly important.

740
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,840
And I don't think it's wrong to
say that you learn more than

741
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
into lectures.
You learn more by doing and

742
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960
that's something you literally
learn in the child psychology

743
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,040
when you're a lecture.
You are told children learn

744
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,000
better from doing and seeing and
then eventually they can do it.

745
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,520
It's like, cool, that's true for
adults as well.

746
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
On my training.
You learn more from being.

747
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
It's like people, you know?
You learn language, people

748
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,360
always say don't.
The best way to learn language

749
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,640
is go and immerse yourself in
that culture and you'll pick it

750
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,560
up quicker rather than just
trying to sit back and learn it

751
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,560
from a book.
Yeah, exactly that.

752
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240
So.
When you get your placement,

753
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,320
throw yourself into it.
Something I did when I got my

754
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,920
placement was I found out what
school it was and immediately

755
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,520
went onto the school website,
found the e-mail of the head

756
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,680
teacher, emailed the head
teacher and said hi, my name is

757
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,360
blah blah blah.
I'm a PGC student.

758
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,680
I've been placing your school.
I'm really looking forward to

759
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,960
it.
And I think I said something

760
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,280
that I picked up from the
website as well, something, I

761
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,000
can't remember what it was, but
I read something and I think it

762
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,560
was the motto, something to the
motto.

763
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,640
And I was like, oh, and I think
your motto is really good and

764
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,800
I'm excited to live up to that
and stuff, but just set off on

765
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,040
the right foot.
I think there's a lot of the

766
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600
time, time with placements, you
know, you go in and, you know,

767
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,720
it's important.
And I guess this is kind of a

768
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,000
separate point, but it's a link
to when you get your placement,

769
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,680
be be the active person.
People, teachers are busy

770
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640
people.
And I think can be mistaken for

771
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,040
rudeness sometimes.
Yeah.

772
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,720
You know, teachers, Yeah.
We, you know, need to make sure

773
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160
students feel really welcome.
And if they don't, that's their

774
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,200
name.
And that's awful.

775
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,000
And all teachers should be doing
that.

776
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,240
But as the student as well, just
go out of your way to say hello

777
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,600
to people, go out of your way to
introduce yourself.

778
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,360
All those relationships exactly
that.

779
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Because do you know what?
I guess this is the next point.

780
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,560
Those relationships are what
will will genuinely make or

781
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,720
break.
And and this is one of them

782
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,640
points.
Now, I suppose where a little

783
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,520
bit of this point is is on
someone else.

784
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,120
And you don't always have
control of this because you

785
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,880
might have a not very supportive
school or a not very supportive

786
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,960
mentor or class teacher.
But Hayden, how how important is

787
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,800
that relationship with the
person who you're literally

788
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,880
learning the job with?
I mean.

789
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,440
Obviously, I'm going to say it's
so important because it is, but

790
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640
you need to have, you're going
to be in a constant dialogue

791
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,480
with them.
You're going to be absorbing

792
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,160
everything about the way they do
their job.

793
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,240
And a lot of the way they teach
will probably become the way you

794
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,120
teach as well.
Some of it maybe actively, not

795
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,280
the way you teach.
You look at anything.

796
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,640
I want to do this differently.
So very quickly clarify for

797
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,840
people.
Listening then you get a

798
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,720
placement in a school and I'd
say the the main people during

799
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,360
your placement are your mentor,
your class teacher and maybe the

800
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,360
head teacher.
Yeah, right.

801
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,880
So can you just explain what do
we mean when we say class

802
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,680
teacher or mentor?
Like what's the difference?

803
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,640
Sometimes they're the same
thing.

804
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,680
But so each school will, any
school that takes on students

805
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400
will have a have a mentor and
that can genuinely just be an

806
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,120
extra job put onto a full time
teacher.

807
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,800
So it goes back to your point
about being like, be active

808
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,400
because you know what, they're
probably really busy.

809
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,240
Some schools, they have
dedicated mentors, they have way

810
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,280
more time and other schools
don't.

811
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,360
It's just pot luck, but they
might not be your class teacher.

812
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,240
They could just be another
teacher whose job is to guide

813
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,800
you for your teacher training
and kind of do your official

814
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,360
observations and gradings and
things like that.

815
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,160
We'll talk about that.
Yeah, which we'll come back to.

816
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,840
But your class teacher is the
person who is, is the person

817
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760
whose class you're in.
It's their class of kids that

818
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,720
they've, you know, they've
allowed you into that class to

819
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,080
do your teacher training with
the kids that they teach.

820
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,720
And they are their normal class
teacher.

821
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
So it's a, it's a big thing for
them.

822
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,160
Like I remember not really
thinking about it when I did my

823
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,520
teacher training.
I was just sort of like, it was

824
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,680
all about me.
I had a quite the ego and I was

825
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,160
very much like, well, I'm here,
the teacher training.

826
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,400
I'm the most important person in
this room.

827
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800
And actually it was sort of like
I am also just coming in and

828
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,200
disrupting this, this class
teacher who's not being paid

829
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,320
anything extra to have me in the
classroom.

830
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,840
And they're kind of all, you
know, guiding you as well, sort

831
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,760
of passively.
So you just I think you've just

832
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,960
got to be aware of who these
people are and the fact that

833
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,240
they're probably not being paid
anymore.

834
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
They're probably just doing this
because they want to help you,

835
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,080
and they're still going to be.
Potentially judged on the

836
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,880
progression of the children in
their class when they've let.

837
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Let's be honest, right now, a
brand new training teacher is

838
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,720
probably not as good a teacher.
Well, it almost definitely isn't

839
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,880
as good a teacher as they are.
And then at the end of the year

840
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,520
when they have their appraisal,
they've still got to make

841
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,760
progress and have progress
points.

842
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,960
It can be quite stressful.
And I think the best class

843
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,240
teachers when you have a student
are the ones who who also try

844
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,600
and make that bond with you.
And I've got to give a shout out

845
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,200
to my class teacher because I
honestly think I had the best

846
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,520
experience that you could
possibly have with a class

847
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,800
teacher in terms of how amazing
they were at teaching, how

848
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,600
unbelievably lovely they were.
It was I felt like I'd walked in

849
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,760
to Miss Honey teaching because
the, the, I always remember the

850
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,600
day I walked in as a trainee
teacher.

851
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,760
Yeah, I had a hair, didn't I?
Yeah, you had hair then I don't

852
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,800
talk.
Like you, I, I walked in to my

853
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,800
the teachers classroom.
I was with who's Fran, who we

854
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,600
work with now, and it's just
amazing.

855
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,560
Walked into our classroom and it
was like something out of a film

856
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,120
because they had their class
assembly that day and there

857
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560
there was a group of kids over
in the corner putting on mad

858
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,680
science hats.
There are a group of kids over

859
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,000
here getting ready and, and they
were going through their lines

860
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,160
and stuff and, and Fran was
rushed off her feet at the

861
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,600
front.
But being lovely to the kids and

862
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,120
the smiley and oh, this is going
to be so fun.

863
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
And honestly, it was in that
moment I was like, I'm going to

864
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,360
have fun here.
Because it was amazing to see

865
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,800
the class teachers relationship
with the children, the children,

866
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,080
how they adored the class
teacher.

867
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,440
They were having fun.
I get to walk in on this thing

868
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
where I can then throw myself
into it a bit more and talk to

869
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,000
the kids about it.
And that that relationship that

870
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,520
I built with Fran, which was
professional and then ended up,

871
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:00,960
you know, just friends with Fran
now.

872
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,520
She's just so lovely and she
works with us with our tutoring

873
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,760
and things like that.
I copied her.

874
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,600
I was a student teacher.
And I promise you, I look, I

875
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,000
watched her and then I copied
her and I was like, that's good.

876
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,800
And I did it.
And and they can't be

877
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,679
underestimated how powerful that
that bond and that kind of what

878
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,480
you can learn from them can be.
Yeah, for sure.

879
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,000
I mean.
And and it makes such a

880
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,239
difference when they're polite
to you and nice and actually

881
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,040
just accommodate you.
I'm thinking back.

882
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,159
This must have been so annoying,
right?

883
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,920
For my first class teacher.
Oh, my first.

884
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,360
I mean, it is you.
My first place.

885
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,960
That's a noise, don't I?
Oh, stop that there.

886
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,639
Ever since Alastair Campbell
came on a podcast.

887
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,679
Yeah, you'd.
Be desperate to replace me.

888
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,560
So my first class teacher, it
was a year one class, so that

889
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,280
was like an experience jumping
into year one.

890
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,400
And we just had like some
lectures on like reward systems

891
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,440
and behaviour management and how
to how to use positive

892
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,159
reinforcements to like to get
kids to do.

893
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,160
Are you going to talk about
your?

894
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960
Behaviour thing you did, yeah.
I just love it.

895
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,960
Mental.
So there's me.

896
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Sorry listeners, he has told
this.

897
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,840
Twice already, but I'll tell you
again, no.

898
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Listen, I can't remember so they
can't either.

899
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,920
But I invented and she just let
me do this and did not make me

900
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,800
feel like an idiot because
obviously it was pretty stupid.

901
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
She let me invent my own
behaviour system.

902
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,560
I didn't really thought about
the fact that house points

903
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,400
already existed.
I didn't really like and crossed

904
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,360
my mind and I invented this
thing called horse points and it

905
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,880
was literally a bunch of change
one there.

906
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,720
I know, I know a bunch of horses
going across the track and

907
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:25,920
everything they all like.
There's loads of little

908
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,160
increments and if they got to
the end, they got reward and I

909
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,280
was so pleased with myself and
so happy.

910
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960
But what was nice was even
though it was it was a really

911
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,600
silly idea and house points
existed that already served the

912
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,720
purpose.
She just let me do it and she

913
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,880
let me have that experience and
and evaluated it with me at the

914
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,800
end.
What do you?

915
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,240
Think about horse boys.
Well, they're all naying.

916
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:48,520
Now and none of them one thing,
but it's just it's just good.

917
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,840
And I guess I want to lead into
the next point, which is you're

918
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,280
not not everyone's so lucky.
We were really, really lucky.

919
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,440
I think, with our placements in
our schools.

920
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,200
Not everyone is.
And and you know, you might be

921
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,400
one of those unlucky people who
get placed in a school where

922
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,360
it's just perhaps a bit toxic or
it's not that.

923
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,120
If you've listened to our
episodes in the past, you know

924
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400
we've talked about toxic schools
you've seen as fodder.

925
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,760
Almost.
No, you can't.

926
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,040
Student Student teachers can be
seen as simply Oh, well, that's

927
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,360
free cover.
Yeah, that free.

928
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,640
All that go trims and stuff,
yeah, they don't care about.

929
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,640
Your progression they just care
about we have a body in the

930
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,080
building or use them however we
want.

931
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,720
And it's important to understand
that as a teacher.

932
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,280
Not all schools are the same,
right?

933
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,320
No, exactly that.
Not not all schools are the

934
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,440
same.
And I guess a second slightly

935
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,960
different point here is don't
judge the entirety of teaching

936
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,920
on on a bad placement.
And that could be bad because

937
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,640
the schools aren't that that
supportive.

938
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680
It could also be bad just
because I don't know, you just

939
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,880
it was your first one or
whatever and something went

940
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,840
wrong and you didn't get the
grading you wanted and you just

941
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,520
didn't have the best placement
that you wanted to.

942
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,600
Schools are so different that
that the the the experience

943
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,400
itself and being in a different
school can make such a

944
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,840
difference to you.
Your personality might not fit.

945
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,680
Simple as that.
I always find it quite.

946
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,280
Sad when I talk to a student
teacher or that they mention the

947
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,520
fact that they think they're
going to quit because of an

948
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,200
experience in a school.
And I'm like, do you know what?

949
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,560
Even when you're qualified, if
you get a job somewhere and you

950
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,320
find out it's bad, it's always
best practise just to try and go

951
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,360
to somewhere else.
I can't stress enough if you're

952
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,360
training and it's your first or
second placement and you think

953
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Christ, this teaching law means
are all schools like this?

954
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,400
No, they are not.
I promise you, if you've done

955
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,040
3456 and it's like the there's
the consistent stuff is winding

956
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520
you up and like, you don't want
to do your planning at home or

957
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,880
like you don't want to prep
anymore.

958
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,920
You just find the job.
Being with kids.

959
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,240
Yeah, that's different.
Yeah.

960
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,120
Like stuff like that, maybe take
that as a red flag, but if if

961
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,960
you're thinking, Oh my gosh,
this school doesn't give me the

962
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,800
time.
I'm allowed.

963
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,920
All schools don't give me the
time.

964
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,920
They're so.
Harsh on me.

965
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,760
They're so mean.
If it's yeah, if that's good,

966
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,040
probably a good rule there,
isn't it?

967
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
If you think if you can evaluate
it and you think it's the adults

968
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,280
around you that are making you
feel so negative about it, then

969
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,240
maybe don't give up.
Just try another another school

970
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,160
first if you can.
Yeah.

971
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,800
And because you're not going.
To be an amazing teacher

972
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,040
straight away, you know you are
not going, we're going to come

973
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,640
on to later how you can kind of
deal with that.

974
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,360
Because I think for people like
Hayden and I and A lot of people

975
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,280
listening, if you're not
immediately very good at

976
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,800
something, it can be quite
frustrating.

977
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,600
There you go.
I was very hard on myself and

978
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,000
imagine me real as well, yeah.
Absolutely.

979
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,160
I wanted to be the best
immediately, which is not

980
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,800
realistic with this job at all.
So all.

981
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,400
Right, Dylan, you're a student
teacher walks in your room

982
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,680
tomorrow.
What's what do you want to see

983
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,160
them doing?
I think student teachers do

984
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,200
better when they push themselves
out of their comfort zone

985
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,600
quicker and sooner than other
people.

986
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,000
And what what I mean by this is,
I suppose earlier we said about

987
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,280
throw yourself into it.
I'm being really specific now.

988
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,680
When you walk into a school,
into a classroom, go and talk to

989
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,360
the kids, Shrek.
They're not going to bite your

990
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,080
arm off.
I remember being scared of

991
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,200
talking to them because I
thought, oh, I'll be annoying.

992
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,680
I can't even fathom it.
You'll be more mystical.

993
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,840
To them man, are we looking at
you more weirdly if you don't

994
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,920
interact with them genuinely?
Like who is this person around

995
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,720
you?
Just talk to them.

996
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,200
They'll be like oh it's just
another adult.

997
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,440
Literally throw yourself.
Into it.

998
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,360
The ultimate analogy for this is
reading a story to the class and

999
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,360
it is the ultimate icebreaker.
So if if you're going, when you

1000
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,760
go into your placement, the
first thing that you should

1001
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,760
maybe do or ask your teacher if
you can do it or your teacher

1002
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,560
will probably ask you to do it.
If they're a teacher kind of

1003
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,440
worth their salt, they'll kind
of introduce you to small things

1004
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,680
with the children.
The fear I had of of reading a

1005
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,600
book to the children to the
class was unmatched.

1006
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,360
I'd never felt fear like it
before.

1007
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,960
Now looking back, it seems
insane because I'll do I'm

1008
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,880
sitting with the kids, whatever,
but it's OK to be petrified of

1009
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,240
stuff like that.
But what you have to do is not

1010
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,680
let that define what you do.
If you're scared of reading a

1011
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,840
book with the kids and you're
doing a teacher training course,

1012
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,000
don't.
It's fine that you're scared,

1013
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,960
but you can't let that mean you
don't do it.

1014
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,000
You're doing a teacher training
course, you're going to be

1015
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,280
scared of doing stuff.
You have to just do it.

1016
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,440
Once I'd read with the kids,
there wasn't much intonation.

1017
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,160
I didn't really do any voices
because I was embarrassed.

1018
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,560
Yeah.
And terrified and honestly.

1019
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,960
But you've done it now.
Next time you read with them

1020
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,680
again.
Next time you read them again.

1021
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,600
I read with my class at the end
of every day all week.

1022
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,880
By Friday, I was doing steady
voices and the kids were loving

1023
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,520
it.
Yeah.

1024
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,200
Yeah.
I promise you, no matter how

1025
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,360
scared you are right now, in two
years time you'll be delivering.

1026
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,880
Entire curriculums you planned
yourself.

1027
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,320
Yeah, just push yourself out.
Yeah, just push yourself out.

1028
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Your car.
I bet you went through some

1029
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,920
shirts.
What?

1030
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,440
Sweat.
Yeah, and I certainly did.

1031
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,600
I actually.
Remember very well how I was

1032
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,840
very conscious of that for the
whole whole I'll tell you what,

1033
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,960
I'll admit this because I think
you were you got over this head

1034
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,880
all quicker than me, I think.
But I that those like it's

1035
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,520
embarrassing.
I did.

1036
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,640
I definitely did.
Definitely did those.

1037
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,240
Intense nerves I think lasted
for me for all of my teacher

1038
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,560
training year and pretty much
all of my my first year of

1039
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,080
teaching as well.
And it was after that, whereas

1040
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,480
suddenly I really felt
comfortable.

1041
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,200
So why?
Why were you nervous?

1042
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,280
Because.
A lot of people listening will

1043
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,480
resonate with you there and I
genuinely didn't feel those kind

1044
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,640
of nerves all the time.
Little things we're scared

1045
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,360
about.
But why were you still still

1046
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,920
nervous even year or two in
imposter syndrome, that's all.

1047
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,160
It was it was just imposter
syndrome.

1048
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,920
I just thought, I'm not quite
I'm not good enough for this.

1049
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,280
There's no way I can be doing
this.

1050
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,640
Why?
Who the hell has let me be in

1051
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,720
charge this cause?
And so for the training year, it

1052
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,560
was typical training nerves.
Any sure, of course.

1053
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,120
And then for for the first year
of teaching, it always got reset

1054
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,400
because they were like, hey, do
it all again.

1055
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,000
This time no one's with you
anywhere in every day.

1056
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,360
Bye.
And I was like, Oh my God.

1057
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,120
And you're getting paid money
now you're the person you're

1058
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,720
getting paid.
I just want to speak to you.

1059
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,560
There's not a.
Teacher that you can go and ask

1060
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,560
like right in your classroom
with you obviously there are

1061
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,040
other teachers you can ask so so
for someone going.

1062
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Through their training year.
Doing doing those small.

1063
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,880
Steps can at least prepare you
for that job.

1064
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,840
Oh, big time, because I'll tell
you.

1065
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040
What I did, I absolutely pushed
myself outside of my Shopping

1066
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,160
Zone at all times, which is why
I think I was nervous.

1067
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,320
Do you know what if you don't do
it?

1068
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,280
In your training years you have
to do it in your ECT year when

1069
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,720
it's not, it's not a choice
anymore and it's going to add to

1070
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:35,800
your nerves already.
Yeah.

1071
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,640
So no regrets.
Yeah.

1072
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,360
The more you can kind of tick
off.

1073
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,240
Like go and talk to a parent
about a kids behaviour in your

1074
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:42,920
training year.
Don't do it even if it's with

1075
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,840
the class teacher.
You taught that lesson.

1076
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,160
No, I need to talk to your
parent.

1077
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,080
It is so scary talking to a
parent about their child for the

1078
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,480
first time.
It's unbelievable, especially

1079
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,760
when it's negative.
But do you know what do it.

1080
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,400
If you could do it wrong, you've
got your class teacher next to

1081
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,160
you.
If you've done it once, they can

1082
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,760
step in.
You're a team, and that's where

1083
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,120
the relationship comes.
I'll tell you what, 10.

1084
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,120
Years down the line I genuinely
don't feel nervous about

1085
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,600
anything involving in this job
anymore.

1086
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,640
Anything at all in this job.
Just nothing makes people

1087
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,960
nervous.
At what point?

1088
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Did you stop feeling nervous, do
you think?

1089
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,200
I think honestly.
After my first proper year, once

1090
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,280
you've got through, yeah, my
first proper year, once that was

1091
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,040
over, I sort of, I'm sure I said
that.

1092
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,120
Imposter syndrome, probably.
Still stayed around for a bit,

1093
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,640
yeah, but generally.
I wasn't like, why?

1094
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,160
I was very conscious of it for
my first year, but after that I

1095
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,120
felt like it kind of went away.
OK, right.

1096
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,360
So the nerves go away is the
kind of point we're making here.

1097
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,400
They do go away.
Just give it time, but don't

1098
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,920
succumb to it.
You have to push yourself out of

1099
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,800
that comfort zone.
Absolutely.

1100
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080
OK, so A.
Huge part of your training year.

1101
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,560
We can't, we can't not mention
this.

1102
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,320
We're talking about how to be
successful in your training

1103
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,280
year.
Massive part of this.

1104
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,680
The bigger O word.
I'm not meaning Ofsted but

1105
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,040
observations.
It's insane looking back

1106
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,120
actually, how often you're
observed.

1107
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,680
Right or wrong?
Having lots of observations,

1108
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,800
right?
Absolutely.

1109
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,880
I'm very.
Pro observations, which I reckon

1110
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,040
people probably wouldn't think
we are no, no, because we're

1111
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,320
quite like liberal with
teaching.

1112
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,960
But the observations I'm very
hot on that I think are really,

1113
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,880
really, really important.
Yeah, first part.

1114
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,560
So my.
First observation was genuinely

1115
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,360
an informal one, and I think the
more informal ones you have the

1116
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,320
better.
Yeah, because class teacher.

1117
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,080
You can ask your class teacher
if you're teaching the class

1118
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,320
teacher's not.
So your class teacher might have

1119
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,360
stuff to do, let's be honest.
But a really good practise is

1120
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,120
for your class teacher to give
you constant informal feedback.

1121
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,960
And that was one of the best
things that helped me.

1122
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,080
Fran would constantly give me
some constant feedback.

1123
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,160
But you know what?
She's a teacher.

1124
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,400
So she made me feel good about
myself, right.

1125
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,600
The small winds were, Oh my, the
way you read that book and you

1126
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,960
picked up on that behaviour
really quickly.

1127
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,840
That was fantastic.
Next time maybe you know, if

1128
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080
people are talking whilst you're
talking, you should probably

1129
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,920
that should be your line if she
didn't do the nice.

1130
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,640
Bit and just gave you the same
critical feedback I think.

1131
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,400
I think maybe.
You'd start having a defensive

1132
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,160
wall going up and I think that's
very normal.

1133
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,840
And I suppose this is the point
you want to make about

1134
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,720
observations is try and take
them as help and not a

1135
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,680
criticism.
Now, will you be criticised in

1136
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,240
observations?
Yes, every all time.

1137
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,640
You.
That is what an observation is

1138
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,440
for.
You know, you've got to be ready

1139
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,440
for someone to tell you
something wasn't quite as good

1140
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,480
as it could have been.
Yeah, that's something that took

1141
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,560
me a while to get my head
around.

1142
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:12,840
Yeah.
Yeah.

1143
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Because it's not nice being told
you want to be the best straight

1144
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,880
away.
It's completely normal.

1145
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,640
But, you know, understand and
accept that, especially through

1146
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,920
the informal ones was a really
nice way of breaking the ice.

1147
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,240
And just her saying to me, look,
but you could do better with

1148
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:27,200
that, couldn't you?
And I was like, yeah.

1149
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,480
And you know what, I could.
Of course I could.

1150
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,480
I'm training as a teacher.
My mindset.

1151
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:35,200
You have to separate your ego
from your ability to become a

1152
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,440
best teacher.
Go back and tell me this I.

1153
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Struggle with it.
I really did.

1154
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Not all the time.
I don't know what it was.

1155
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,040
Maybe it was.
Maybe it was down to the

1156
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,280
relationship I think I had with
people.

1157
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,600
Sure, because there were some
teachers.

1158
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,680
I'd take it like a gospel and I
don't know, other times, maybe

1159
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,080
from mentors or from like
university, whatever they were

1160
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,800
called.
What were they called?

1161
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,840
Were they just university
mentors, tutors, tutors?

1162
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,120
That's the one where I'd just be
like, no, I disagree.

1163
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
And you know what, going back, I
wish I could just like, shut up.

1164
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,720
I just listen to them.
Even if you do disagree a little

1165
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,360
bit, just at least listen and
take on their feedback as a

1166
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,400
serious bit of feedback rather
than just being like, no, you're

1167
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,280
wrong.
I was obviously, I look back at

1168
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,280
myself and I'm like, of course I
was cringy.

1169
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,720
Yeah, it is cringy.
Really, really cringy behaviour.

1170
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,240
Just be just ego.
It was in the way.

1171
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,560
Drop it.
Yeah, I had some something in

1172
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,400
my.
Training year where, you know, I

1173
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,800
had really positive observations
all the way through and I felt

1174
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,960
like I had a really successful
time and I was very grateful for

1175
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,600
that and I felt great.
Towards the end of the year, I

1176
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,760
had an observation where that it
was from someone external who'd

1177
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,760
come in and they were more
critical than positive and and

1178
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,720
their point of view was clearly
just, well, you're towards the

1179
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,640
end of your training now.
This, this, this, this is stuff

1180
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,520
that needs to be improved.
Get over it.

1181
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,400
I don't need to pander it.
And that's perfectly except

1182
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,560
that's fine, that's fine.
You know, maybe I wouldn't give

1183
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,400
feedback like that, but this
person did.

1184
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,800
So just got to get over it as
professional.

1185
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,640
It's still true.
It's.

1186
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Still true and.
One thing they said, and I

1187
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,560
really got my back up about it
because I felt like they were

1188
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,200
just calling me sexist, right?
But they were just making a

1189
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
point.
They said they sat and counted

1190
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,200
how many answers I took from
people and they counted how many

1191
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,240
boys and how many girls.
And they just gave me a fact and

1192
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:11,400
they said you took eight boys
answers in this discussion and

1193
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,680
two girls.
Wow.

1194
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,080
And they said they didn't, they
didn't call me sexist,

1195
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,480
obviously, they just said
something you need, you really

1196
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,520
need to make sure you're doing
is that there's a fair

1197
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,600
representation and there's a
voice so important completely.

1198
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,760
True.
Absolutely important, but my

1199
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,400
first thought then was don't you
dare question my ability to

1200
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,520
discriminate.
I didn't do it on.

1201
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,840
Purpose.
I didn't do it on purpose.

1202
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,280
And I was like, no, no, no, no,
that wasn't the point.

1203
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,360
Take a step back.
Like that's the perfect example

1204
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,480
of getting your ego out of it.
The fact of the matter is that

1205
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,560
80% of the chat in that lesson
were boys and 20% were girls.

1206
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,840
So there was.
Something going on I was.

1207
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,360
She didn't even say in that
moment you should have done

1208
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
something different.
She was just saying be aware of

1209
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,200
this.
Yeah, be aware of your internal.

1210
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,600
Bias and you're a bloke and even
if it's even.

1211
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,720
If it's even, if it's not about,
I can't get this across to

1212
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,920
people enough.
Even if there's no bias, even if

1213
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,640
there's no internal bias, even
if it's the most stretched way

1214
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,640
of not possibly discriminating,
just understand that that is

1215
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,120
what happened.
Yeah, that's all she was.

1216
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,800
That's what she was saying.
This is what happened.

1217
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,520
And in my head I was like, well,
more boys were putting their

1218
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,360
hand up more.
They weren't girls putting their

1219
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,920
hand up.
Kick them.

1220
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,440
Find out.
You find.

1221
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,640
Yeah.
They're the kind of moments

1222
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,480
where it's like you just don't
know something.

1223
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Sure, because you're not an
experienced teacher would say is

1224
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,640
OK.
There's other ways you can

1225
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,840
gather answers and information
from children.

1226
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,400
So what a really experienced
teacher would do is would notice

1227
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,880
that the same few kids keeping
their hand up and they think of

1228
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,680
a different method of gathering
information to make it more

1229
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,160
fair.
Yeah.

1230
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,840
You didn't know that.
You didn't know how to do that

1231
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,080
at that point.
So you just thought, well, it's

1232
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,960
not fair.
They're just wrong.

1233
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,160
And do you know what's really
interesting?

1234
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,360
If I think about my whole of my
year training, I think about all

1235
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,360
the feedback I was given, that
stands out.

1236
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,760
Yeah.
So do you know what?

1237
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,880
Sometimes times you will be
bullshit and you'll have your

1238
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,560
guard up and you won't like
something but it will stick and

1239
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,960
it will be important and that
was important.

1240
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,240
So use observations as ways of
improving.

1241
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,080
Separate your ego.
It's not a personal attack and

1242
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,880
you know what you have.
There are lines and someone's

1243
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,640
being unfair and you find
there's ways around that.

1244
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,360
But in general they're there to
help and they're just saying

1245
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,040
what they say.
Think OK, am I maybe someone who

1246
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,880
could improve in this way?
Brilliant, brilliant.

1247
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,800
Tip Next tip non contact time.
That's that's a term you'll hear

1248
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,960
non contact time refers to the
time that you're in school on

1249
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,280
placement, but you're not
directly teaching during lesson

1250
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,040
time.
So basically it means you've got

1251
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,440
time, the teachers teaching you
are either watching that lesson

1252
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,240
or you've got time to go and do
something and across the.

1253
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,840
Time you train, Yeah, that non
contact time changes, right?

1254
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,720
Yeah, So it starts.
I don't want to say how it

1255
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,000
starts because I know for the
PGC it started quite high.

1256
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,480
It was like 50% or something
like that.

1257
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,720
It's 30, I think 30 maybe, yeah.
Whereas I know that with when

1258
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,440
Lauren did her three years.
Yeah, exactly.

1259
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,160
She said that it was.
Much lower in her first year.

1260
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Honestly it was like 10% to
start with or something like

1261
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,520
that.
Like one of one time spent

1262
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,200
actually.
Teaching.

1263
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Yeah, and the.
Rest of it you were just in

1264
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,800
school, like absorbing other
things one day a week or

1265
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,080
something like that for the
first placement.

1266
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:51,920
Really weird.
Sure anyway.

1267
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,840
But eventually by the end of
your training you'll be 8090

1268
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,680
even 100%.
You'll be basically doing what a

1269
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,240
normal teacher does at that
point just to get you ready.

1270
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,920
Which makes sense.
So that non contact.

1271
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,280
Time, then, when you're not
actually stood in front of the

1272
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,200
people teaching.
Yeah.

1273
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,760
Why is that important as a
trainer?

1274
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:06,800
It's.
Do you know what?

1275
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,040
It's some of the most valuable
time because it's time that you

1276
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,920
can go and watch other teachers.
They're experts, you know, some

1277
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,760
more experienced than others.
It is gold dust time.

1278
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,680
And it's one of those bits of
time where you look back at like

1279
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,640
hindsight is a wonderful thing
because as an experienced

1280
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,160
teacher now where you barely get
any time out of the class, like

1281
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,880
training is far and few between
other than like your staff

1282
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,840
meetings and things like that,
which is outside of contact

1283
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,400
time.
It's hard to get out of the

1284
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,280
class to go and like learn new
things.

1285
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,240
So use this time like anything,
what can you get?

1286
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,960
Don't just think I could just go
and sit in the staff and get

1287
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,480
some of that essay done.
Genuinely, if you're in school

1288
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,120
on placement and you're not
making the most of lesson time

1289
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,680
watching other teachers, you're
not making the most of your time

1290
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,760
is what I'm saying.
It's so important.

1291
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,040
I again.
And I always think back now

1292
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,600
because it's been 9-10 years
since we trained and if

1293
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,640
something still sticks in my
brain now, clearly it was

1294
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,040
impactful to me.
I went to watch a year six

1295
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,120
teacher do some English because
naturally I prefer maths.

1296
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,120
I was my specialist and my
English, we were doing a scheme

1297
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,360
we're doing Read Write Ink.
And it was children who

1298
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,600
struggled with their spelling
and their reading and I had a

1299
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,200
set who struggled with their
spelling and reading.

1300
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,240
And we used Reader Write Ink.
And I went to watch as a year

1301
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,800
five actually went to watch
someone who was doing the same

1302
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,240
thing but with the group above.
And I remember I sat and watched

1303
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:26,400
them do the whole lesson and I
was like, OK, I've learned eight

1304
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,960
things here.
And then what I could do is the

1305
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,160
next day I was teaching English.
I could copy, I could, I could.

1306
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,240
I've seen it with my own eyes.
I've seen children be

1307
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,320
successful.
I've seen a group of children

1308
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,720
struggle and how the teacher
helped them.

1309
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:39,400
I've seen them deliver a scheme
of work.

1310
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,760
I was guessing before then and
because I had the time to go and

1311
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,960
see someone, I was a better
teacher.

1312
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,080
There is nothing I enjoy more
now than when as maths leads, we

1313
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,080
get a chance to go walk around
and watch maths and talk.

1314
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,400
Because even as maths leads
where I absolutely feel the most

1315
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,600
confident with delivering maths,
I, I promise you as a 910 year

1316
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,320
experienced teacher, I will
still learn something and and

1317
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,440
have something to take back to
my classroom.

1318
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:04,400
Yeah, the same.
I always pick up.

1319
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,960
Something when we go around the
school, I'm like, oh, that's a

1320
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,840
good idea.
Or even sometimes it's just a

1321
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,600
refresher as we're like, Oh
yeah, I used to do that.

1322
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,600
I forgot I've done that in ages.
I'm going to start doing that

1323
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,480
again.
Building it back in.

1324
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,760
Yeah, definitely.
Because it.

1325
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Yeah, it can be.
Tempting to do your planning can

1326
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,880
be tempting to do your marking.
Yeah.

1327
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,560
Do you know what?
Still use that time because it

1328
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,440
is tough.
But my goodness, the number one

1329
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,160
thing has to be to go and watch
people go and do it.

1330
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,480
It It's so, so important.
Last couple of points, Dylan.

1331
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,400
Now next one we've we've sort of
made this point already, but I

1332
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,320
want to come back to it because
we can add more, which is just

1333
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,880
accepting that you won't know
everything straight away.

1334
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,280
You won't learn everything yet.
And you've got to you've got to

1335
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,560
just be OK with that and not be
like, no, I must learn

1336
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,400
everything by the time I finish
training.

1337
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,960
So what?
What is the you?

1338
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,000
Know tangible advice then you.
So yeah.

1339
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,040
OK, cool.
I know I won't know anything.

1340
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,640
So what do I have to do then for
a year?

1341
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,560
Do I just accept that or no?
I think you need to accept.

1342
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,720
That, but also you need to
prioritise what you want to work

1343
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:53,880
on.
That's one of the biggest

1344
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,840
mistakes I made is I was trying,
you know, look at the teacher's

1345
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,440
standards.
I was like, I need to nail them

1346
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,360
all at once.
And actually what the

1347
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,880
consistently from my feedback,
every single time I was

1348
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,400
observed, it was your behaviour
management's not very good.

1349
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,400
You're not controlling the
classroom properly.

1350
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,080
And I'm like, yeah, but I've
got, I'm doing that, but I'm

1351
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,760
also doing these seven other
things because I need to get my

1352
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,720
somebody knowledge, right, right
for this.

1353
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,520
And I've just learned this new
thing about how to teach this

1354
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,680
maths concept.
So I'm going to do that.

1355
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,040
And it's like, no, no, just
stop, just focus on like your

1356
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,880
mentors and everyone around you
is saying you, you're not doing

1357
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,440
very well at this thing.
Just prioritise that thing, try

1358
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,400
and learn that thing.
And then do you know what, if

1359
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,640
you get to the end of your
teacher training and you're,

1360
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,520
you're, I don't know, something
else, another teacher standard

1361
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,920
is not so good yet, then you can
focus on that one.

1362
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,800
And I kind of wish I could go
back and tell myself to do that

1363
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,320
because actually my behaviour
management then took like an

1364
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,320
extra year, I think to get to a
decent stage where it was like,

1365
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,480
I know the class are in a good
place for learning.

1366
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,640
And I guess this is where.
All of this advice moulds into

1367
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,920
one because what we're doing
here, we're using observation

1368
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,840
feedback, we're using the forms
given by a mentor and the advice

1369
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,240
that we're given, we have an ego
anymore.

1370
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:52,520
Remember, we learned not to have
an ego.

1371
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,200
We understand behaviour
management is bad and then we're

1372
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,600
also knowing that we're not
going to know everything

1373
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,320
straight away and that's
absolutely fine.

1374
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,480
And then do you know what you
can do if you're going to just

1375
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,920
prioritise things?
You can go and observe someone

1376
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,480
who is known in the school to be
really good at it.

1377
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:07,080
So if someone in the school has
fantastic behaviour management,

1378
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,520
but they they may be style on
you still where you want to have

1379
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,800
a similar style in terms of
getting on with the children and

1380
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,880
being being positive.
But oh, you should go and see

1381
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Dave.
Dave's fantastic at that.

1382
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,240
We can go and watch him.
We'll book you in.

1383
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,080
And I think what I want to say
to someone right here is

1384
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,160
prioritising that does have to
come from you.

1385
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
A lot of this has to come from
you as a student teacher because

1386
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,240
like we said, schools are
incredibly busy.

1387
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,600
I can't fathom it enough.
Like these people want you to

1388
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,960
succeed in general, they want
you to do well, but you have to

1389
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,040
take control.
So if you've got your feedback

1390
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,120
and you see maybe you're weak at
behaviour management, for

1391
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,080
example, carrying on this
example, what you should do then

1392
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,600
is go to your mentor, go to your
class teacher and say, do you

1393
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,080
know what?
I had some feedback about my

1394
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,720
behaviour, I want to improve it.
Who's good in the school that I

1395
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,800
could go and watch?
Yeah, as a teacher, if someone

1396
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,760
came to me and said that, I
would be buzzing.

1397
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,040
Yeah, everything that.
But this, this is good.

1398
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,080
And you know what?
I can now spend 5 minutes just

1399
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,000
helping you rather than me
having to proactively think

1400
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,080
about your career development as
a trainee while still doing my

1401
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,040
job.
Just being realistic for a

1402
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,400
second.
That isn't going to I tell you

1403
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,800
what is one course where you're
not?

1404
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,800
You're not going to get baby
through it.

1405
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,720
No, you're not.
Going to get baby through this

1406
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:18,440
course you've got to make the
effort big time and be active,

1407
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,720
like Dylan said right at the
start of this conversation.

1408
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,600
Yeah, comparing it's, you know,
our undergrad degrees, those

1409
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,840
just.
There were jokes compared to

1410
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,920
this genuinely it was like it
was sort of like you just turn

1411
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,440
up to the lectures and do a
couple of essays.

1412
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,400
Yeah, this one was like, I think
it's the placement that.

1413
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,280
Makes it so different.
Yeah, definitely placements

1414
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,680
where you can't be made because
even if you're doing

1415
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,320
undergraduate in primary, the
placements make it so different

1416
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,080
to my undergraduate history.
I had like 8 hours contact time

1417
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,480
a week and I could just not go.
I could just do some reading.

1418
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,160
No, no, no placements.
You're doing the job basically

1419
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,080
from day one.
And I think this kind of really

1420
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,360
nicely now rounds off with, I
think the reason why Hayden and

1421
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,320
I love this job.
And, and nothing makes me more

1422
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,880
joyous than when people who
listen to this podcast message

1423
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,160
us and say how they can feel our
passion and our love for the

1424
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,720
job.
Because we are very realistic

1425
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,400
and pragmatic.
We talk about the problems with

1426
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,520
this job, but we are incredibly
passionate about teaching.

1427
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,040
And why did we just spend an
hour talking about this?

1428
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,280
Because we want the next
generation of teachers to get

1429
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,080
advice and succeed and find out
how amazing this job is.

1430
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,880
So the final tip that we wanted
to talk about, enjoy it.

1431
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,800
Enjoy yourself.
You are with the next

1432
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,000
generation, you are teaching.
If you've got this far, you're

1433
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,800
probably passionate about
helping people.

1434
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,120
Throw yourself into it again,
but this time I mean with the

1435
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,160
kids.
And I suppose what I want to

1436
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,560
say, and it's insane because
we've done a whole podcast about

1437
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,520
this.
Ignore the negative talk.

1438
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,280
You are at the.
Start of your career.

1439
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,400
Yeah.
We can be pragmatic all we want.

1440
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,280
We're experienced teachers.
There's got to be a point where

1441
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,360
you talk about, you know, work
life balance, blah, blah, blah,

1442
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,720
et cetera.
You don't have to think about

1443
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,000
that just yet.
No throw yourself into it, enjoy

1444
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,400
being with the kids, make
mistakes with your teaching, get

1445
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,480
better at it and have fun.
The PGC year for me, my training

1446
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,480
year was some of the best years
I had with the kids because I

1447
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,120
made such a bond with them where
I was often just sat on the

1448
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,960
table working next to them
because the teacher did stuff.

1449
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,120
Ignore the negative talk, let
yourself form your own opinions

1450
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,240
of teaching as it goes.
You will be weathered down.

1451
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,000
You will be ground down.
You will think, Oh my God, this

1452
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,120
job is just so frustrating.
But you know what?

1453
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,760
You'll also figure out how
amazing it is to teach kids and

1454
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,640
give them the Eureka moment and
help them.

1455
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Brilliant.
I have nothing to add.

1456
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,880
That was just, that was a great
monologue.

1457
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,560
I was thinking all those things
myself and I think, yeah.

1458
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,080
And I've ruined it now because
it was really good.

1459
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,440
It was extremely important,
extremely important to form your

1460
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,120
opinions.
That's the one thing I'll just

1461
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,200
say again, try to ignite.
It's very hard because you were

1462
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,160
the loudest people in the staff
from and normally the ones that

1463
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,040
moaning.
Or have a podcast.

1464
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:46,760
Ignore it.
Yeah.

1465
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,840
Yeah, yeah, try, try not to be
like agreeing with them because

1466
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,400
they're experiencing them like,
oh, they think that so I should

1467
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,360
think that as well to fit in.
Just nod and be like, yeah,

1468
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,840
that's cool.
But actually I'm really enjoying

1469
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,280
myself and I don't care that I'm
spending all of my life doing

1470
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,480
this because it's the start of
my journey and I'm really

1471
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,160
enjoying it personally.
So whatever you're allowed to

1472
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,800
change, you're.
Allowed to have both, you're

1473
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,480
allowed to understand the
importance of our life balance.

1474
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,120
You're allowed to understand,
you know, people who've been

1475
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,120
worn down by a system.
You're allowed to get that.

1476
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,680
It's a job at the end of the
day, but you can still be very

1477
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,400
much looking forward to it every
day.

1478
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,720
And don't let someone affect
that.

1479
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,400
If you've got that buzz and that
joy, don't let anyone affect it.

1480
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,400
Quick story from me.
I was training.

1481
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,440
I was sat in the back of the
room with my folder doing some

1482
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:25,720
folder work.
There's always some folder work

1483
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,120
to do.
The trainer probably lost it, I

1484
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,240
think.
Yeah, I think you probably did.

1485
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,080
The kids were, I think, doing
their PPA.

1486
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,600
So the class teacher, Fran was
at the front and then one of her

1487
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,960
friends came in and another
fellow teacher just came in,

1488
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,120
burst through the door and
started talking about how this,

1489
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,880
this, blah, blah, this, that,
this, this profession, all these

1490
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,640
the pay rises and stuff, the
government moaning, moaning,

1491
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,720
moaning, yo, everything that we
say legitimately that is

1492
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,000
completely, absolutely true.
And that's absolutely fine to

1493
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,000
do.
And Fran always had this look on

1494
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,440
her face like the student
teacher is in the room as if

1495
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,960
like, OK, I, I agree with you,
but the person, the person who's

1496
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,080
literally just starting this
professional is right there.

1497
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,280
And I always remembered the look
on the person's face when they

1498
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,920
realised I was in oh, but it's
lovely.

1499
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,400
Like it just really turned
really quickly.

1500
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,360
And, and, but do you know what?
Just be pragmatic.

1501
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,800
I knew all of that when I went
into it.

1502
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,720
But do you know what?
I love teaching.

1503
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,360
I love helping people.
I love those bonds with the kids

1504
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,960
and that I can't tell you guys
enough how when you're on

1505
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,960
placement, seeing a child
develop in any way, whether it's

1506
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,520
academic, social, whatever that,
and it's because of something

1507
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,520
you helped them with, There is
nothing that can replace that.

1508
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,520
And if I ever quit teaching or
didn't teach anymore, I don't

1509
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,400
know how I'd replace that
feeling because it there's

1510
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,360
nothing like it.
There's nothing like it.

1511
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,800
It's the best thing in the world
when you help someone to get

1512
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,560
better at something or to get
over a hurdle or to improve.

1513
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,400
It's unbelievable seeing our
little faces.

1514
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,360
It's just such a piss.
Thing and and the.

1515
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:57,560
The gratitude as well, even the
like, the subliminal gratitude,

1516
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,080
It's not necessarily kids saying
thank you.

1517
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,280
I now understand this concept.
It's it's the confidence that

1518
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,000
grows in them.
You think, oh God, I helped

1519
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,560
that.
They're more confident now.

1520
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:06,600
Yeah.
And and.

1521
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,240
Children change so quickly.
Yeah, You know, over the year,

1522
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,120
they're completely different.
Personalities change that

1523
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,720
academia changes and you're in
charge of that.

1524
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,600
And that is such a it's a burden
in a way, because it's your job.

1525
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,080
But it's a privilege, man.
It's, it's so good.

1526
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,680
Like, you know, love every
minute of it.

1527
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,600
If you leave, leave teaching in
three or four years like most

1528
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,640
people do.
I get it.

1529
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,600
But Oh my goodness, put yourself
into it whilst you do it.

1530
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,120
It's amazing, brilliant.
I really enjoyed that.

1531
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,840
Chat, yeah, same.
And if you're a listener, if

1532
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,720
you're a regular listener and
you've been teaching for a long

1533
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,160
time, sorry about that.
That wasn't really for you, but

1534
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,800
hopefully you know you can share
it with someone who is.

1535
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,600
And if you're on your PGC course
or your BA course, or you're

1536
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,880
doing your undergraduate, or
you're about to train, or you

1537
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,280
know someone is training, you've
already got the WhatsApp group

1538
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,160
full of people who are training
as teachers.

1539
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,360
Whack this link in there because
I'm really hoping it'll help

1540
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,440
them.
And if it helps you, let us know

1541
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:53,280
and tell us.
Get in touch.

1542
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,440
Yeah, get in touch, tell.
Us a lot of people say this and.

1543
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,880
Maybe disingenuously, but we
love it when someone gets in

1544
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,120
touch and just says something,
literally anything about the

1545
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,560
podcast, what they enjoyed.
It makes us feel so good and it

1546
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,760
makes us want to do more because
you know what, we are just doing

1547
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,840
this as a bit of a passion
project.

1548
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,280
It is a bit of fun and we do
want to help you guys, but it

1549
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,320
nothing makes us feel better
than one person.

1550
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,520
Saying that they found it
useful.

1551
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:12,800
I'm like, cool, that's worth 10
weeks.

1552
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,440
Yeah, honestly, honestly.
So can you just give us some

1553
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,720
compliments, please?
Like, yeah, we talked about

1554
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,800
ultimations.
Our ego never said great ego.

1555
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,880
We don't want criticism.
We don't want four-star reviews,

1556
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,760
please.
We want all of the fires isn't

1557
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,480
amazing things.
Ohh man, I.

1558
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:26,280
Enjoyed that?
Let's wrap.

1559
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:26,800
This up?
Yeah.

1560
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,520
Let's wrap this up.
Let's go and get a Curry.

1561
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:29,600
Let's go and get a Curry.
It's been a.

1562
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,160
Pleasure.
Have a nice evening, everyone.

1563
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,600
Definitely evening when you
listen to this.

1564
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:33,480
Yeah, definitely.
Bye.