Ep 73: 5 Mistakes Every Teacher Makes (& How To Overcome Them)

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach, Sneak,

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Repeat.
This is a summer special,

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Hayden.
Whoa, Dylan, you said my name's.

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I said I did.
I do.

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Yeah.
I'm good, mate.

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I'm very, very good.
Excellent.

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You've never called me mate
before.

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That's quite nice of you.
Well.

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I'll never do it again.
For anyone who's new listening,

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we are two primary school
teachers from the UK and it is

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our summer holiday.
That's why I said it's a summer

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special.
Most people take a little break

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in the summer.
We're desperate though, aren't

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we?
For attention.

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Really desperate.
We said, should we have a break?

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We deserve it.
We've earned.

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We'd love break.
We'd love a break.

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Nope.
Sat here sweltering the hot

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room.
Yep.

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And all for those five streams,
this podcast.

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So if you're listening, we
appreciate it.

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We did just make a funny meme,
though.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Enjoy.

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That one, but no doubt the
algorithm will completely tank

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it whilst it shoots my meme.
It took me 3 seconds to make in

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10 millions and millions of
views.

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Yeah.
The algorithm all right.

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Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.

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How have you found the first
week of the summer holidays?

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It's just great, isn't it?
It's lovely.

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I just love it.
And you knowing that it's not

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normally you're either thinking,
oh, back in next week, or you're

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thinking oh, Oh no, I'm halfway
through.

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I'm back in soon.
But at this point, it's like

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endless time.
It feels like endless time is

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left until we're going back in
September.

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It's great.
This is the time, one time every

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year I think, where a teaching
date, absolute perk, absolute

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top peak.
Best time to be a teacher ever.

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Yeah.
Is that first week of summer

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when you realise you've still
got 5 1/2 weeks left?

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And it's summer.
It's literally summer outside.

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It's nice.
You can go for a walk.

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Like we're we're taking the kids
to the park almost every day

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because it's just 30 seconds
down the road.

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They're loving the swings.
It's just like, oh, This is why

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life is nice.
This is the 112th of the year

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where I actually enjoy life
completely.

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So it's been really.
And we finished on a 2 day week.

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We did.
It was great.

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Yeah, that was nice.
How was your last week?

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Your last two days, that was.
Fine, yeah, I mean, my normal

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week is 3 days so.
But it was, it was really good.

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I think, again, classic thing
for teachers right now that

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everyone's talking about, and it
still makes me get a bit of the

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ick, I'm not going to lie, when
people post their like tables

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and tables of presents and
stuff.

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You've always said this.
Before, yeah, I did it myself my

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first couple of years.
So I completely get it.

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And I've said before I don't
anyone who does it, I don't

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think you're being rude.
I'm not just caught up.

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No, not at all.
I'm not gonna get caught up in

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that thing where I now disagree
with something.

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So anyone who thinks it is
awful, it's like no obviously

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not, but it just gives me the
ick room where I just see posts

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and posts of lots of gifts.
So I did something slightly

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different.
Just have interest.

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I'm pick your brain.
Why does that give you the?

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I, I don't know, I don't think
it should.

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I, I think I'm not necessarily
right in this situation.

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It just gives me an ick where
like I know there are kids out

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there and I know there are kids
in my class who would have loved

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to give me like the most amazing
present ever and their parents

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weren't either interested or
just forgot or don't have the

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money to do it.
And I just hate the idea of

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putting on a pedestal gift
because it kind of put on a

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pedestal the children who gave
you the gifts and you're sure

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and you're laying them out like
in your classroom sometimes.

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And I just know there's going to
be a kid in your classroom who

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see that.
I'm like, oh, I wish.

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I could have given them to.
You.

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But again, that's just me.
I don't think anyone's.

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I don't think anyone's actively
thinking that at all.

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I think they're just very, very,
you know, grateful for.

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There might be a valid point in
that, but it is you.

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So probably not.
Yeah.

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Yeah, completely.
It's me overthinking everything,

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as always.
So when I got my gifts, what I

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did was.
Sorry kids, I'm not part of

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this.
This is no.

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Give me the eggs, straighten
them in.

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No, no, no.
Monetary value, strict to

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charity, please.
So what I, what I did instead of

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like the middle crowd was I
said, oh, thank you so much,

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thank you.
And I just put them under my

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desk.
So like by the end of the

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morning I couldn't get my feet
under my desk or like 15 beers.

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You're stamping on it.
It's.

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Such.
A weird.

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Yeah, no the situation.
Would 15 beers be acceptable in?

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Front of my room.
I know, isn't it funny?

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And one of my kids came up here.
Oh, you're gonna get drunk.

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And I was like, this is odd.
This is really weird.

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The situation one of the.
Kids came in to me and said

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here's your lunch.
And it was, it was, it was a

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bottle of whiskey.
Oh my God, I don't even like

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whiskey.
Take it.

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Back, take it back.
Well, wasn't didn't someone give

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you a bottle of whiskey?
But it was for you and me.

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Yes, literally that is the.
One, So for context, anyone

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listening, Hayden in year six
and year six, obviously end of a

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chapter, end of school was a
big, big thing.

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And yeah, apparently Heidi was
telling me someone gave him a

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bottle of whiskey but said it's
not just to him, it's to me.

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I'm a year 40.
I know, yeah.

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But you taught them two years
ago and.

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And they know because I because
we have a lot of Bantam.

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Yeah.
So they know.

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They know we're an item.
They know we're an item.

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We're mates.
Say that again.

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But no, I thought when when you
told me that, I was like, oh,

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that's sweet.
What's the best bit about the

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gifts though?
Because I know you want to talk

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about this.
Oh oh it is 100%.

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It's not even the gifts.
It's like it's the end of the

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year when it's like a
bittersweet thing.

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Double sided because I genuinely
do get sad on the last day when

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I, when I think of all the kids
who you spend so much time with.

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I think it's hard to quantify
how much of a relationship you

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build with these children.
And I think if you're not in the

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teaching world, you can just be
like, oh, yeah, it's sad and

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like, brush it off.
But actually, you know, you do

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really make a bond with a lot of
these kids and you're spending

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eight hours a day with them.
Yeah, more than most of their

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family members will spend with
them, all their extended family

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anyway.
And, and, you know, I try and

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make school a special place for
them and make sure they enjoy

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it.
So the idea that comes to an

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end, they're sad.
Sometimes I'm sad, but I always

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try and play the role of it's
like, you know, yeah, five's

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going to be amazing.
I've said this before, you know,

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really big it up.
It's good that we're finishing

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because you get to do the next
thing.

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But the best thing for me about
anything I receive at the end of

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the year is the cards and the
notes and the and, And there's

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just one boy.
He didn't get me anything.

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He came up to me and said, Oh
my, my parents forgot your

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thing.
And I'm so I can't have to give

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you on the first day back And I
was like, don't don't worry

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about it because I thought a bit
of me thought maybe just hadn't

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got something.
He wanted to say sure.

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I said, mate, don't worry.
It's literally not about that at

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all.
Was like, did you have a good

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year?
And he was like, yeah.

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And I was like, cool, That's
that's all I need to know.

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And he went back and then the
same boy at the end of the day,

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and this is how you know it's
real with a kid because he was

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crying, but not loudly, not
making a show, just sat on his

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table almost like crying to
himself.

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And I'm like, that.
That's a real cry because he's

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sad.
And then when we were saying

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goodbye to everyone and he saw
his parents, he just turned to

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me and give me a hug and said,
have a good summer.

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And I was like that.
That's that is I'd love

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Maltesers, but that's better
than a packet Maltesers to me.

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Like, I'm really grateful for
everything I got.

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I got loads of gifts, loads of
and something about that

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chocolate loads of but but it's
those moments a little.

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Sentimental moment.
I had a very similar one,

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actually, a boy who in my class,
it was a year six.

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Like you said, it's a bit
different because I go into a

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new school and all that.
And you know, everyone's

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different in terms of like being
tactile, right.

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Like that kid obviously wanted
to give you a hug.

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And not any other day in the
school we'd normally be like,

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no, because you know, it's,
it's, you're not, it's just not

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a thing.
But on that last day and that

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parents, of course, obviously if
you're obviously I'm going to

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give you a little hug.
Yeah, just pat on the shoulder

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or whatever.
And there's one boy in my class.

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It literally melted my heart
because he's not like that at

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all.
He hates being touched.

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He's very much like, no, he's
always like that.

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And my other kids touching him.
He just likes his personal

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space.
And he just, no words just ran

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out to me right the end of the
day and like double arm just

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gave me a massive, like just
really clearly wanted to

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squeeze.
And I was like, oh, this is

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killing me.
This is killing me.

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This is killing me.
But it was.

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Just.
And it's the context that makes

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it even nicer.
Yeah, like he clearly just meant

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it.
And it was like, I don't know,

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it was very special.
I think teachers get a lot of

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Flack for end of school gifts.
Like, we're not in control of

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it.
You know, It's a lovely thing

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that parents just want to show
gratitude for.

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Yeah.
And I can promise you, there are

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absolutely no teachers out there
who expect anything.

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No.
So when we are, you know,

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posting pictures or talking
about gifts, it's just a

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celebration.
It's just a thanks.

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We're very grateful, just saying
that.

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But we don't expect anything
obvious.

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And always I try to make it as
clear to the kids as possible.

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Yeah.
So no one ever feels bad like

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you did.
And that's exactly what I do

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every year.
I'm just like, I promise you,

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whether you give me something or
not, I'm very grateful.

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But it's not that that I'm here
for.

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However, however, boxer heroes?
Yes please.

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Loads of.
Listen, I am not here for it,

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but that 4 pack of San Miguel
will go down lovely under my

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gazebo in my garden.
That'd be really nice.

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I.
Don't know if you saw on the

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field on the last day.
We we did something really

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special for you this year.
We hired in an inflatables

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company and we got loads of
inflatables.

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So we had one bounced castle.
Sure, we had like a soup.

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No, not a sumo, sorry.
Like gladiators, you know.

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Yeah, I didn't see that.
That's.

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Cool.
So good.

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And then like an obstacle course
one, you have to run through it

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and just race.
Yeah.

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Race.
At least the weather was lovely.

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Yeah, and it rain.
Couldn't believe it was.

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It was a nice sunny day and we
went out and it absolutely

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poured.
Did have fun there.

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It's so much.
Fun.

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Yeah, sometimes even more fun
with the rain.

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Well, we got to the point,
right?

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It was raining.
We were like, come on, We were

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holding out hope.
And we said to the kids, come

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on, just stay here.
Be alright, I'll be alright.

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It's gonna start raining and it
gets harder and harder and

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harder.
And then after about 10 minutes,

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the staff looked each other and
we were like, we've got to call

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it, We've got to call it.
So we've got all the kids.

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We're like, come on, kids.
Like get your shoes and your

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back.
Everything's all soaking.

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Now, yeah, they're taking their
shoes off, Yeah.

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Because all the bouncy castles,
all the shoes are wet and that

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sucks wet.
Let's go in and we line them up.

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And just as we started to go in,
like genuinely, the Rangers went

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but and just stopped them.
And we all stopped.

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We all froze for a good 10
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Everyone's like, is it?
Is it and?

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Then when it didn't come back,
we're like, all right, off you

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go.
And they're like, yeah, running

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back onto the inflatables.
And that, guys, is the perk of a

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Church of England school.
Thank you God.

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That is exactly what it was we
all thank.

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Yeah, that was really just.
That's awesome.

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And there again, like we said a
million times, that's stuff they

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gonna remember when we like it
or not.

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They're gonna remember the fact
that they had the inflatables.

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They were gonna go inside the
the the rain cleared and they

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ran back and like the best thing
in the world.

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Possible, they always remember
the time when I had to go sit on

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a bench for 5 minutes 'cause we
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The vortex, everyone got them at
school.

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I don't they do actually, but a
school got those vortex howlers,

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those like rugby ball shaped
things of like rocket back,

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rocket back and you lob them and
they whistle through the sky.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like one of the kids go in my

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class, like one of the sweetest
kids ever.

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We were just messing around and
she logged one at me and just

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got me right in the in the, you
know way.

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And it hurts.
Oh my God, I had to take a knee.

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And any blokes listening, you'll
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I was like.
Kids, did you feel sick?

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I felt so sick and I was in pain
and I was like, oh, they were

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still like throwing them at me
and I'm on the floor like, like

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in so much pain on one knee.
And I was like oh kids, Mrs

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Stevens going to have go sit
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I walked up and I wanted to cry
because I was in so much pain.

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This little girl looking at me,
smiling still like.

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What do I do?
Just you.

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Just, you know, just it just
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It is men's how much it hurts.
I don't think you can fully

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appreciate it.
I saw somewhere and I'm going to

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make a lot of enemies with what
I'm about to say.

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Someone say that the pain of
that is like.

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I know what you're going to say
and I'm already like it's.

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Very, very high and don't say
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Is.
Don't say it.

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They're very close to giving.
Back all the female listeners

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gone.
Well, good job.

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Female listeners make up 85% of
our listeners.

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You know what?
I'm just.

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Gonna I don't, by the way, I
don't believe it remotely.

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Like how on earth can a vortex,
rugby ball bracing, part

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bracing, bristling past your
area?

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Yeah, as much as pushing a
child.

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Out.
I know it was like 5 minutes of

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pain.
Complete rubbish, but I'd like

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to say every now and then just
to see.

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We're winding you up, girls.
We're just to see the reaction,

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but I think it's it can't be
true.

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You provocateur it.
Can't be, honestly.

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Well, do you know what else
happened?

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Go on.
It comes around very rarely.

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And I absolutely love it.
And I don't know what you're

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like about about this.
And it's the Olympics.

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Yeah.
So the Olympics is on Paris at

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the minute.
I love it because two reasons.

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At any point in the day, if
you're just in a lull, you can

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turn the TV on.
There's some elite sport

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happening.
Unbelievable.

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And the second thing is how I
immediately turn into an

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absolute expert in the sport I
could have never, ever watched

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in my life.
Like judo championships.

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I'm like, oh, she shouldn't have
done that move.

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Oh, what's she thinking going
for that?

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That's not very tactical.
You become as annoying as me

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during the Euro football, yeah.
Exactly.

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I'm that guy who I sat there
going, what do you mean?

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Is it offside?
No.

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Yeah, of course it's not
outside.

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And why is it a penalty?
Oh my God, that's me now with

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canoe slalom.
Yeah, that canoe slalom.

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I think they've gone quite fast
down that part of the Rapids.

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I have no idea what I'm talking
about, but I absolutely love it.

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Do you watch?
It I do casual sport, I'm

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probably realistically just as
casual with the Olympics as I am

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with the World Cup in the Euro.
Sure.

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I really genuinely enjoy
watching all of those things,

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but I wouldn't really like
outside of the Olympics.

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I'm not going to.
I'm not trying to find people

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doing different heats in all
these sports.

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I'm not interested really.
But Olympics love it or watch it

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all the time.
Yeah, I can't wait for the

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track.
That's the early one.

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I remember being younger,
watching Usain Bolt run.

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Yeah.
And to me, that was the best

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thing that could ever happen in
the world, period, when he like,

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because he broke the world
record.

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Not at the Olympics, but I still
watched it because I think he

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broke the world record again.
So he broke the world record,

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the Olympics in 2012 I think.
Good, good facts.

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Maybe, but he also broke it in
like a year after or before.

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Yeah.
And got like 9.5.

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He.
Broke his own record.

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Didn't he?
Yeah.

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And it was just like that is on.
Yeah, because he got the what

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was it 9?
Was it 9.6 or?

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Something got 9.6 something.
And everyone was like, that's

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insane and.
Then he got nine point.

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Five.
He beat it with the knee and.

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It was just like, Oh my God,
what's going?

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On I saw him just have interest
for this.

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I saw a video the other day.
It was really cool.

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It it showed like the the
average human being and their

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run and their average running.
Yeah, Yeah.

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You've seen it?
Yeah, No.

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And it was.
Similar and it was just

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animation and they put it next
to Usain Bolt.

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So in the animation they did
loads in perspective.

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So the first one you see the guy
running and how long it takes

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like 15 seconds is really
average time to run.

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Which doesn't sound much
different to 9.5 because it

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doesn't.
Sound more, but when you look at

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that, yeah, it was so funny.
I did one from his perspective.

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So the animation character runs
off and Usain Bolt into a

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distance like just genuinely out
of sight within like 4 seconds

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and it's like yeah it is crazy
how quick they are.

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Well, there is the school of
thought always that comes up

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with the Olympics, and I'm a big
advocate for this.

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Is that what we should do is
that every single event put a

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member of the public in?
So whatever the event is, you

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know, if it's fifty metre
freestyle swimming or if it's

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the, you know, 4 by 100 metre
relay, just have the whole final

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and then in one lane it's just
me, you and two other.

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Teachers some sort of horse
riding thing.

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Just like watching someone get
fucked up all within 3 seconds.

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So not very good there.
Because when you like, I watched

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the swimming yesterday and from
1st to 8th it was like one

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second.
It was insane.

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It's like it's really long
thing, but there's such fine

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margins.
Just the idea of like you can

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kind of forget how good that is
and then just like just trying

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to get there, you are really
good.

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In the 9th lane, but it's just
you seeing how far I can go on

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the water whilst holding your
breath.

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Can you get to the other end of
that just?

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Trying to do a handstand.
Look, look, throw something in.

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So I'm gonna get it.
I'm gonna get it from the

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bottom.
Someone from my goggles.

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Someone from my goggles.
And the other side of that is I

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said you should also have and
someone who's just completely

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souped up on as many steroids as
possible, just just see what is

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the physical like little bits of
a person just like complete like

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have the soup Olympics or.
Something okay, so listen,

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there's two people here.
We can play those roles, can't

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we?
Get you start made he already is

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testosterone.
You reckon here's here's an

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interesting one then me and my
current physical state ethic.

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Terrible embarrassing, right?
Embarrassing Worst, worst

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physical state I've ever been in
my life.

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Right Right now soup me up on
steroids.

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Would I stand a chance?
I get one week to train tonnes

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of steroids.
I'm totally there.

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I'm jacked.
Would I stand a?

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What would the analogy be?
Would that be like having a

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supercar engine inside of like a
Fiat 500?

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Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah.

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Yeah, something like that.
Or would it be like a super car

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with a Fiat engine?
Yeah.

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That makes me sound like I look
good.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think what's
it when both are.

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Bad.
It's like having an old banger

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with an old engine and you just
put premium fuel in it like

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that.
That's it.

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Yeah, but OK, Old banger, old
engine.

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But you hire Lewis Hamilton's
truck?

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No.
He's not driving.

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He's not driving.
He's in the basket.

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He's just guiding me.
He's not driving it.

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Oh.
OK, what is wrong with that?

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I think it's time.
To move on, we're going.

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To the Teacher podcast.
Yeah, extremely serious chat.

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Let's do it.
OK, so when we talk about what

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to do for this episode, because
obviously we're in summer now,

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so I really want over this
summer to do useful episodes for

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people to pick up.
Maybe they're starting teaching

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or they just want that boost of
just like, OK, someone else,

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Like I'm just worried that
someone else is better than me

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or I want to improve or, you
know, these generic things that

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go wrong potentially with
teaching and how we as

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experienced teachers can maybe
just give some advice.

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So can.
Enlighten you with our knowledge

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and wisdom.
Exactly that.

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So we thought what we did today
is it's five mistakes that every

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teacher makes.
So Hayden and I put our head

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together beforehand because it's
such a common thing where if we

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put our shoes, our shoes
ourselves, if we put ourselves

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back in our shoes of early
teachers, I remember making

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these mistakes, thinking, oh, my
God, I'm the worst teacher ever.

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When will I finally stop making
them?

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And do you know what?
Spoiler, Never.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Teachers always make these
mistakes.

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They're so common.
So first of all, hopefully you

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listen to them and you go, oh,
everyone does this.

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But then secondly, what does
happen with experience is you

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kind of learn how to overcome
them.

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So we're going to talk.
Something that don't happen.

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But yeah, I guess you make them
less.

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So hey, then we put together
these five.

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We've got some quick fire ones
at the end that didn't quite

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make the cut.
So stick around for those ones

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because they're both interesting
and funny, I suppose.

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Yeah, yeah.
But these are the main 5 ones I

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think that as a teacher you
experience all of the time.

455
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,880
We're going to dive into what
mistakes we make as teachers and

456
00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,480
then how we actually overcome
them.

457
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,800
So do you want to kick us off?
Yeah #1 it's quite a wide, wide

458
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,840
one, really.
But our first common mistake the

459
00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,760
teachers make is getting your
lessons wrong.

460
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,240
Quite a big mistake, isn't it?
Yeah.

461
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,400
And what we really mean by
there's a couple of things.

462
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,079
So the first one we want to talk
about is, is pitching the lesson

463
00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,640
wrong?
Sure, it happens all the time.

464
00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,599
And I know as a newly qualified
teacher, I was like, I thought I

465
00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,560
was terrible.
So what do you mean by pitching

466
00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,760
a lesson?
What is pitching a lesson?

467
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,240
So pitching a lesson is getting
so let's say, you know, the

468
00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,240
children are at this line of
ability, they're middle ability

469
00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,560
and you've pitched it way too
high, which means you've, you've

470
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,720
over expected like what they can
do and what they can, what, what

471
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,000
they already know perhaps.
And then you're just, you know,

472
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,720
you're saying stuff to them and
they're not, they're not getting

473
00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,680
it because maybe they're missing
some of those foundational

474
00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,080
blocks that probably needed to
be taught before and you've kind

475
00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,520
of gone too far under pitching
is just the exact opposite of

476
00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:40,680
that.
You, you know, you're teaching

477
00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,240
stuff they already know
extremely well.

478
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,520
So getting your pitch wrong,
that happens quite a lot.

479
00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,960
Another we want we band together
a couple of things in this one

480
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,840
because also another thing you
can do to get your lessons

481
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,720
really wrong, and we all do it
is over planning.

482
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,840
I am the worst over planner in
the world and Hayden always

483
00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,200
tells me this because obviously
we plan.

484
00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,200
Not only did we plan as partners
when we were in school teaching

485
00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,680
together, but we also plan
together now for our business

486
00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,000
outside of school.
And Hayden knows I am the

487
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,760
ultimate over planner, which is,
which is OK when you've mastered

488
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,680
the ability to skip past things
when you are teaching it

489
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,440
yourself, maybe because you
know, actually, I can just skip

490
00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,760
past this if they get this or I
can really focus on that and,

491
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,800
and knowing it doesn't matter to
complete everything.

492
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,880
But early in your career, if you
over plan, the danger is you

493
00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,160
think I've got to get for
everything and it becomes the

494
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,000
detriment of what the children
learn because you're on slide 12

495
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,200
and is halfway through the
lesson, but you've planned 37

496
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,240
slides and you're thinking, Oh
my goodness, me, I've got to get

497
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,920
for it all.
And that can have a really

498
00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,840
detrimental effect because if if
you thinking, if you're worried

499
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,120
more about what you've already
planned before you're in front

500
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,800
of the children than what the
children in front of you are

501
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,560
showing you, that's a mistake.
And that's something that still

502
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,280
happens to this day because you
cannot accurately predict what a

503
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,520
child will be like or a group of
children will be like to a

504
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,800
lesson.
You can get better at it.

505
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,080
And I think as a as we get more
experience, we make this mistake

506
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,400
less often.
But this year, multiple times

507
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,280
I've had to been off a lesson
and think, right, the children

508
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,040
are telling me right now they
need these fundamental blocks

509
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,920
before we even try this or the
children have finished this

510
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,240
lesson in half an hour.
And as an experienced teacher,

511
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,720
now anything OK, I need to think
about how to stretch them or

512
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,880
what's the next step.
So I guess that's kind of

513
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,240
encapsulating how we can get
over it as.

514
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,440
Well, yeah.
Well, there's a fine line, isn't

515
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,720
there?
Between, I think over planning

516
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,720
too many essential steps, right
where you're like, I actually

517
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,280
need to do this and then I need
to do this and then I need to do

518
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,080
this, but there's not enough
time to do it.

519
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,480
There's a fine line between that
and over planning with the, with

520
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,960
the mindset of I'm planning for
all possibilities.

521
00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,640
It's sort of like I'm going to
plan this because if they get to

522
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,120
this stage and we've got time,
I'm going to go on to that.

523
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,480
But it's, but it's all right.
If I don't get there today

524
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:46,920
because I'm not, it's not
essential.

525
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,040
I think that's the difference,
isn't it?

526
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,680
And I think that's what you do
more of when you become

527
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,520
experienced.
You sort of think to yourself,

528
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,160
what is the actual bit I need to
get done today?

529
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,560
And you think is that too much?
So if you're.

530
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,480
Trying to avoid this.
Hayden, where do you think the

531
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,040
intervention or the teacher has
to step in and be like, OK,

532
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,320
cool, this is how I'm going to
react to this?

533
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,960
Do you think it needs to be
something they're thinking about

534
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,240
when they're planning or do you
think it's OK to over plan or

535
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,560
under plan even or do whatever,
pitch it, just have a go and

536
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,960
then the reaction has to come
during the lesson.

537
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,440
I think where can we do this?
Sure.

538
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,120
I think a bit of both.
I think when you're planning, if

539
00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,560
you do good medium term plans,
good long term plans, I think

540
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,960
you can be a bit more secure in
yourself.

541
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,880
Like you might be over planning,
planning because you haven't got

542
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,840
a really good long term idea of
where you're going and then

543
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,200
you're sort of cramming too much
in when maybe you didn't even

544
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,880
need to anyway.
If you get into the term, you've

545
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:31,720
got like 3 lessons.
Yeah.

546
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,320
And you think actually I
probably didn't need to do that.

547
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,320
So if you've got a really good
long term plan, I think that can

548
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,440
be a good start for getting your
mind in the right place of how

549
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,760
much you need to be putting in
each lesson.

550
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,080
I think good on that as well is
always try and plan into your

551
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,920
medium term plan some flexi
time.

552
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,680
So don't fill your whole medium
term plan.

553
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,000
Yeah, especially with something
like maths, which is so

554
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,160
fundamental to lead on from one
thing to another.

555
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,120
Yeah, and I know you follow
White Rose.

556
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,640
They have these consolidation
weeks built in and I don't

557
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,160
necessarily use them for
consolidation.

558
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,600
I'll use them more for if I want
a small step to last longer.

559
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,840
Exactly that.
And if I want, OK, I've taught a

560
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,760
lesson on Tuesday.
And you know what, they just

561
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,040
need another lesson.
I don't have to worry so much

562
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,720
because I know my medium term
plan.

563
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,760
I've got that spell out at the
end of the time.

564
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,280
I can shift everything forward
and I can just move that next

565
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,880
lesson to tomorrow.
Those sorts of plans, those sort

566
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,640
of written plans, they should be
adaptable as well.

567
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,320
I think we get maybe a slightly
different point, but we do kind

568
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,960
of get sucked into the idea of
those plans are like bold and

569
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,040
solid and you've got to stick to
them.

570
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,440
No, you don't like our school.
We've made it very clear that

571
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,200
your medium term plan is just
kind of a record of what you've

572
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,000
done as much as it is where
you're going.

573
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,480
And you can change them across
the term.

574
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,880
So, you know, when we plan
maths, we always leave 22

575
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,840
lessons in the term that are
just, we don't plan them at all

576
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,560
because we're like, we're
probably going to need that

577
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,720
space.
Something might happen.

578
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,840
And if we don't, if we get to
that week, then we'll leave our

579
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,080
shunt everything else forward
and be like, oh, maybe later on

580
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,600
the term we'll need it, sure.
Or we'll think, cool, we've got

581
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,880
an extra lesson.
What should we plan in this

582
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,280
week?
What should?

583
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,680
We do.
Or it's the Christmas fair,

584
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,440
yeah.
Or, you know, something always

585
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,120
comes up and it's just, that's
how you minimise the effects in

586
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,600
your teaching.
I suppose the link to that a

587
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,240
really, really important point
that I was so scared to do and

588
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,920
I, I remember this vividly where
it took me longer to overcome

589
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:04,680
this as a newer teacher was the
idea of like basically off the

590
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,520
back of what you've just said is
being flexible.

591
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,760
I really struggled with moving
on for the sake of it.

592
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,560
And I would think to myself, OK,
well, I know the next thing in

593
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,920
this on the White Rose
progression is I've got to do

594
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,240
this next.
Even if my kids through the

595
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,440
whole lesson the day before, I'd
show me they're not secure on

596
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,280
something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

597
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560
Even if they'd show me actually,
there's a building block, a

598
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,240
fundamental part of this.
If we're doing rounding, these

599
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,640
kids can't even count 10 past
100.

600
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,120
They can't count 100 past 1000.
They can't bridge it.

601
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,080
They don't understand it.
Even if they show me all that,

602
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,280
I'd be like, oh, but I do have
to move on tomorrow to

603
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,960
estimating on a number line,
which has nothing to do with

604
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,280
their needs, nothing to do with
what they've shown.

605
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,320
They actually need intervention
from me as a teacher, from I I

606
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,560
know that.
And as a teacher, I'm still

607
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,520
making the mistake and the worry
of I've got to go into my next

608
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,680
medium term plan.
So do you think is that a

609
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,600
mindset or does it have to come
from SLT?

610
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,200
Or is that something you just
have to learn as a teacher to be

611
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,480
more I guess solid with one?
Of the teacher standards is

612
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,560
about being adapted exactly.
Yeah, that's one of the most

613
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,600
important ones and I really do
think yeah, me too.

614
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,040
I think that does come down to
nailing that teacher standard

615
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,880
and just think about, you know,
what's the most important thing.

616
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,600
I think you just need to stop.
My advice would be, because I

617
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
think we do this more now is
just just stop honestly for 10

618
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,520
seconds and think what what is
actually the highest priority

619
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800
for the kids right now?
Is it that I follow the plan

620
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,360
that I made?
So that's kind of the one of the

621
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:21,640
big points here Dylan sort of
made there.

622
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,800
Just to summarise is, is moving
on with your lessons because

623
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,880
you'd pre plan to and it's not
necessarily the right thing to

624
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,840
do, but you but you've spent all
the time making the smart

625
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,480
notebook and you spent all the
time making the worksheet.

626
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,040
So I've got to move on.
Now it's the next day and just

627
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,600
stopping for a second and
thinking, what do these kids

628
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,960
actually need?
And not being too worried about

629
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,120
that kind of whole year plan of
or if I do this, I might not get

630
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,360
a lesson for a shape later in
the year because I've, I've

631
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,920
shunted everything back.
You'll, you'll do what you need

632
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,000
to do genuinely, it always works
out along the way and just be

633
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800
adaptable in the moment.
Scrap that lesson, scrap that

634
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,520
next lesson if you need to and
do another lesson.

635
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,800
I do it all the time, especially
in maths.

636
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,680
I'm always thinking maths here,
I'll do a lesson.

637
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,240
I think, no, that just wasn't
enough.

638
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,360
Do you know what I'm doing this
whole lesson again tomorrow.

639
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,480
I'm going to just kind of move
on from where we were today.

640
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,000
And then do you know what?
Everything else gets shunted

641
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,640
back because in my medium term
plan I've left a couple of

642
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,240
lessons blank anyway, it's not
even a problem and if it was I'd

643
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,440
be like Oh well, something else
has to go later on then I'll

644
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,880
deal with that when I get there.
And I think a theme with this is

645
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,720
when we're talking about how we
overcome this, which you've just

646
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,800
explained really well, it does
get easier with experience.

647
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,760
It's one of those things where I
know it's frustrating,

648
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,520
especially if you're early on in
your career and you're thinking,

649
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,040
I have just put, honestly more
time than you'll ever put into

650
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,680
planning a lesson because you're
at the start of your career.

651
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,240
You realise it's not what the
children need that day.

652
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,960
That is so disheartening.
But it is also like a sunken

653
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960
cost fallacy.
It's like, yeah, you know, you

654
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000
have spent two hours on it, but
the kids don't need it.

655
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,080
So you are wasting time now by
using it whether you like it or

656
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,400
not.
The kids don't need it.

657
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,920
With experience, what comes is
off the top of my head at this

658
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,800
point, I can kind of make stuff
up and give the kids what they

659
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,880
need at this, at this at having
taught for eight years earlier

660
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,680
on.
You just have to put maybe 10-15

661
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,840
minutes into just checking up
White Rose again, looking at

662
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,520
your resources, thinking what do
they need next?

663
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,040
That way of experience will
become easier.

664
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Yeah, and speak to experienced
teachers, you know, we, we put

665
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,000
that as one of our points.
Yeah, speak to them.

666
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,120
Talk to them.
You don't, don't feel like

667
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,320
you're alone.
Just go and talk to someone.

668
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,920
Because I'll tell you what, if
someone's been teaching 10

669
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,000
years, I guarantee they've
experienced this loads of times.

670
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,440
And they'll probably be like,
oh, don't worry.

671
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,080
They might even just calm you,
calm you down a little bit.

672
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,600
If you're worried about skipping
something, they might just

673
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,440
literally say to you, don't
worry because we'll do this,

674
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,800
this and this later.
And you know what?

675
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,720
We'll squash those two lessons
together later in the year.

676
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,280
Probably.
Yeah.

677
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,280
Because it's fine.
Yeah.

678
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,120
Don't.
It was the ultimate version of

679
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,480
making me realise that it is OK.
There's more flexibility than

680
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,920
you think.
Most of us during COVID, Oh,

681
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,760
yeah.
Because, because so much stuff

682
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,800
got, you know, the kids were off
school for so long.

683
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,560
And you know what, in the long
term, yeah, there were impacts.

684
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,040
I'm not going to pretend that
there weren't impacts.

685
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,960
But we managed.
We did manage.

686
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,600
And actually kids came back and
they did learn.

687
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,120
And we caught up on so much
stuff.

688
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,000
And it was like, oh, you can
adapt.

689
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,720
We can adapt and, and teach
children differently to what

690
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,200
we'd originally planned because
that was the ultimate messing up

691
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,040
your plan.
And it made me realise that, you

692
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,200
know what, if I have to do one
extra lesson, it's really not.

693
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,800
Going to mess up their
education, I'll.

694
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,000
Be able to work around.
It.

695
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,760
Yeah, absolutely.
That's exactly it.

696
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,080
And it's so it's so micro when
you actually, when you actually

697
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,360
zoom out, Yeah.
It's like, guys, it's fine.

698
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,280
And and again, with experience,
you realise what's important and

699
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,520
you do prioritise.
Because honestly, if a kid if,

700
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,240
if there are kids in your class
who don't quite get how to read

701
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,760
Roman numerals after a lesson,
you're probably not going to

702
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,120
change your MTP for that.
Yeah.

703
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,640
Whereas if after a lesson there
are a bunch of kids who still

704
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,640
don't understand exchanging with
attraction, you'll learn very

705
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,200
quickly that is fundamental to
their maths learning and their

706
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200
understanding of why that 10,
that 10 ones becomes A10 and

707
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,840
things like that.
When you realise they don't get

708
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
that, that is when as a teacher,
like, no, no, no, no, we're

709
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,000
doing.
Your next lesson is Roman

710
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,520
numerals.
It's like, don't.

711
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,560
Just don't do that one.
Exactly.

712
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Do some Roman numerals in
starters.

713
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,400
It's it's like 2 reasons.
One in real life it's kind of

714
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,120
pointless and they can just
learn it when they're older.

715
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,760
And two, if you're thinking
about the test, it's one mark in

716
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,480
the test maybe once ever in the
last like five years.

717
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,880
It's been such a minimal part of
the curriculum.

718
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,040
Thanks Gove.
Anyway, I mean, let's wrap that

719
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,000
point up.
Should we move on to another?

720
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,800
1.
Yeah, definitely, yeah.

721
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,720
So do you want to do the same
one?

722
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,240
#2 and I want to talk about this
one because I still make this

723
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,520
mistake this day.
So today eight is down

724
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,080
constantly.
And I even though I think I know

725
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,760
how to do it, I still find it so
hard.

726
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800
So hopefully people can relate
to this.

727
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,440
It's using the TA effectively.
Yeah.

728
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,360
What's the TA?
TA is teaching assistant.

729
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040
Always think back to Mr P and
his brother on their podcast.

730
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,920
They call them assistant
teachers, not teaching

731
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,000
assistants.
And I'm just like that.

732
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
That's just who the they are,
like the office.

733
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,800
But it just puts on a pedestal
because I think they do need to

734
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,680
be.
But I found incredibly hard the

735
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,320
idea of managing.
And if anyone's listening to

736
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,160
this podcast, which most of you
will be, I'm doing that inverted

737
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,200
commas thing where you say
managing because you're kind of

738
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,000
the manager of the classroom as
the teacher.

739
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,640
And when you're given a teaching
assistant, whether that's for

740
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,720
half the day, one lesson, the
whole day, whatever it is, you

741
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,200
are their manager in terms of
you need to decide what to do

742
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,280
with them and use them
effectively.

743
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,560
I always remember when, sorry,
just quickly when ATA referred

744
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,160
to me as our line manager
getting serious.

745
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080
And I was like, I guess I kind
of in a way like, yeah, so.

746
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,560
I'm sure on their contract they
have a line manager like the

747
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,000
head of year or so.
Yeah, but they called me and I

748
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,760
was like, and they were being
serious and I was like, they

749
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,960
actually do sort of see me as
the like, I'm managing this

750
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,280
classroom.
When you think about it from

751
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,360
that situation coming into the
classroom, you know, if you say,

752
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560
oh, I'd love you to work with
these guys, please today, Yeah,

753
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,520
sure.
That's.

754
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Not planned, that's.
Enough there yeah, exactly.

755
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,400
So I think that's something I
really, really struggle with.

756
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
And I think you've always been
better than me at this.

757
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,600
And I think general, yeah, but
just ever, I think a big part of

758
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,080
my worry with this is I'm an
over thinker.

759
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,640
I worry that people I'll come
across in a way that's bad, I'll

760
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,120
come across.
I don't wanna come across like a

761
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,000
manager who's bossing people
around when it's not my place,

762
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,080
but it is my place in a room to
be like, no, I've got to do

763
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,720
this, got to do that.
And it always fascinated me

764
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,200
because at the start of my
career, I wouldn't have been

765
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,920
anywhere near where I was
without a teaching assistant.

766
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240
And I thought I was very timid,
but I was very lucky that I had

767
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,480
amazing teaching assistants.
We didn't need direction.

768
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,440
They'd been doing it for 1520
years.

769
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,560
They just came in and they
honestly like nodded, smiled and

770
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,040
just got on with what they knew
they needed to do.

771
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,800
And I kind of drifted through
because of that.

772
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,920
And then since then, if I've
ever worked with the TA, which

773
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,480
needed more management or didn't
have that experience, I've

774
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,480
actually been really bad at
managing them because what I

775
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,560
want is someone who's done it
for 25 years, knows the school

776
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,200
better than I do and just I can
do it.

777
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,560
And, and that's why I'm really
weak.

778
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,720
So, you know, what would be your
advice to someone who who feels

779
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
like they're not using ETA
effectively or that's a big part

780
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,880
of their development?
Sure.

781
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,120
OK.
A few things you can do.

782
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,480
It depends on the type of person
you are.

783
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,320
So if you're Dylan, this first
bit of advice probably isn't for

784
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,960
you in terms of just talk to
them, right?

785
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,640
Because I reckon you just didn't
want to do that.

786
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,640
That's the point, isn't it?
Just just actually talk to them.

787
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,160
And, and when I say talk to
them, I don't mean in the lesson

788
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,240
time.
I think that's a very common

789
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,440
mistake teachers make, which is
only actually communicating with

790
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,040
the with the TA in the lesson.
It's like it finds even 5

791
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,680
minutes before or after lesson
or sometime outside of the

792
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,880
classroom to talk to them, adult
to adult and not other kids

793
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,400
around of this is our plan.
Which follows on to my second

794
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,080
point, which is that you need to
actually have a plan.

795
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,880
I think, you know, again, it's a
common mistake to just make.

796
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,800
They don't actually genuinely
put some time into thinking,

797
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640
what do I specifically want my
TA to do today or this week or

798
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,040
whatever and write it into your
if you write a medium term plan,

799
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,840
you could write it in.
If you don't do that and you're

800
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,280
just thinking about it, you
could you could put it on your

801
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,160
smart.
Post a note on the.

802
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,800
Whatever, but you need some sort
of plan.

803
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,080
And I think it's, I think it's
really more respectful to go to

804
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,120
him as an adult, a trusted
adult, and say, we're a team.

805
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,840
This is what we're trying to
achieve with the kids this week.

806
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,920
My role is this as teacher.
And I want your role to be this.

807
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,840
What do you think?
And have that dialogue as well.

808
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Don't.
You can avoid the whole feeling

809
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840
like you're coming across bossy
by not just saying these are my

810
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,360
demands to do them and a bit
more like this is the plan.

811
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,360
What do you think?
Because the chances are if you

812
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,040
do that, they respect you and
they'll probably agree with you

813
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,960
anyway.
And they might actually make a

814
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,200
really good suggestion if it's
wrong.

815
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640
And and do you know what?
It is embarrassing when you know

816
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
one of your teaching assistants
who I feel like I'm good friends

817
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,880
with a bunch of teaching
assistants at school now.

818
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,040
Been there a long time.
I feel like I've got over come

819
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,240
that initial awkwardness, but it
But I still am embarrassed when

820
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,960
they say to me anything you want
me to do.

821
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,400
And I'm like, not really.
Yeah, but that's kind of

822
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,560
embarrassing because honestly,
you've listened to this bloody

823
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,760
podcast.
The amount of times it talks

824
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,760
about all the stuff we've got to
do.

825
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,560
There's always something someone
can do to help you.

826
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,120
There's always.
Something and you either just

827
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,440
don't know in that moment or you
don't want to tell them because

828
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,800
you don't want to tell them what
to do because.

829
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040
You're not over that thing yet.
And for me, at this point in my

830
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,280
career, it's more the second.
I just don't know what to, I

831
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
don't know what to give.
I've not planned it properly and

832
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,880
that's my detriment and that's a
mistake I always make.

833
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,280
And luckily, again, they're
really experience.

834
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,440
They're like, oh, I just read
with some kids.

835
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,720
Like, yeah, I could have said
that.

836
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,040
I could have just said, Oh yeah,
can you read with XYZ?

837
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,920
Because I know they haven't read
much.

838
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,400
But I didn't even do that.
I just went, I don't know,

839
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680
actually, it's embarrassing.
I think a lot of teachers will

840
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,360
palm it off and say, oh, I'm
just really independent.

841
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,640
I like to do everything myself.
Whereas I kind of see that I

842
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,280
used to say that and I kind of
see now as an excuse of like,

843
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,800
actually you just, you just
haven't done the managerial

844
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,400
role.
You just haven't done it because

845
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,760
you could definitely just plan
to be like, actually, I'm not

846
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,160
going to do these three jobs
because I know that if my, if my

847
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,800
TA has got some time, I can give
that to them.

848
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,920
And if not, I'll do it
afterwards.

849
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,240
But you can definitely plan
around them, Hun.

850
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,000
But you've got to consider them
from the from the ground up.

851
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,400
Yeah, something I, I felt weak
with.

852
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400
And I think, again, I don't want
to keep saying this at every

853
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,400
point, but with experience you
get over the awkwardness, I

854
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,120
think.
Yeah, you don't.

855
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,520
But yeah, well, that's just me.
But also my other point is this

856
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,360
is one with experience.
Actually experience hasn't

857
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,560
helped me hugely.
No, I you need to put effort in

858
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,800
for this one, I think.
And you just need, I know what

859
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,160
to do.
I know I need to plan it better,

860
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,480
but I still just don't.
I think of other things and it

861
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,720
is someone's job at the end of
the day.

862
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,400
And I do feel bad sometimes when
I'm just like, no, I don't know,

863
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,800
'cause they come to me looking
for direction.

864
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Yeah, if if my line manager did
the same thing to me I'd be like

865
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,200
what is wrong?
With you all the time, yeah.

866
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,160
If I if I went up to my head of
the year and were like, why,

867
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,960
what, what what we teaching next
week and they're like, oh, I

868
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,120
wanted to know really, I'd be
like, Oh, really?

869
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,080
Yeah, yeah.
So it's the same thing, like

870
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,880
I'm, I'm being a bit of a loose.
Cog I think last bit on this

871
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,840
one, but just a story.
My first ever TAA man called

872
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,000
Mike who I'm still friends of.
He's a lovely, lovely man, but

873
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,320
he's.
Probably the nicest man ever.

874
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,120
He's just so lovely, isn't he?
Yeah, really, really lovely.

875
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,400
But he was a bit more
experienced than me at the time.

876
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,720
But I always remember him being
really gratuitous and generally,

877
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
generally like happy and
positive because it was in my

878
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,680
NQT year, my newly qualified
teacher year, my first year of

879
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,200
teaching.
And I had, I was still writing

880
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,120
plans when we had that.
I think for our first year,

881
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,040
maybe it's just our score, but
we still wrote down weekly

882
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,800
plans.
Yeah, I think I might have done

883
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920
it on my back actually, because
I still didn't.

884
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Feel plan and when we did we had
quite a lot of observations and

885
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,680
we.
Had to write them down.

886
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Yeah.
So I still wrote weekly plans,

887
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,080
though, just loose ones.
And I'd always write one for

888
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,080
him.
And, and just to show him

889
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
though, I was like, oh, you're
like part of this plan or part

890
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,240
of this classroom.
And I was like, here's your

891
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,800
weekly plan.
These are the kids I wanted to

892
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,480
work on this week for these
sorts of things.

893
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,200
And he and he'd always be like,
wow, thank you so much for this.

894
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,440
He wasn't like, how else to do?
I'll do what I need to do.

895
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,800
He was so grateful because he
was like, oh, I've been

896
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,320
considered like, I'm part of
this classroom.

897
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,800
I'm not just the TA that comes
in and and the teacher just kind

898
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,840
of ignores me because I'm
already mid teaching and I just

899
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,520
have to go and sit with some
kids that I think might need

900
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,960
help, which is what often
happens, I think.

901
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Yeah, when we don't plan for
that anyway.

902
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,320
But yeah, talk to TA, make a
plan for them, involve them,

903
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,800
treat them as your equal.
Don't look at them as your

904
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,160
subordinate.
Otherwise you are going to be

905
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760
having that relationship where
they're like, oh, the boss

906
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880
telling me what to do, like not
considering my feelings.

907
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,760
And then you'll have a great
time with your TAS.

908
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Absolutely good advice Hayden
#3.

909
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,239
That was me number three.
Yeah.

910
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,520
OK.
This was kind of more community,

911
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,080
but actually both of us being
consistent in what you say.

912
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,159
I guess the mistake is not being
consistent.

913
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,239
Yeah, the mistake is not being
consistent in what you say.

914
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,199
And we're talking both ends of
the spectrum here.

915
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,239
When you are promising something
to the children as a reward, as

916
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,960
a reward for whatever, you know,
it could be on a whim.

917
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,120
It could be like a big class
reward you're building up to

918
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,760
because quite often it is on a
whim.

919
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,159
It's like you just need to do
something.

920
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,199
So you're just basically just
being manipulative in that

921
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,440
moment.
Be like, oh, I'll just give them

922
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,520
dangle the carrot, please.
Dangle the carrot if you're if

923
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,639
you're offering it, you got to
do it.

924
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:41,760
And it's the same with the
sanctions.

925
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,159
You know, if you're saying this
is the consequence to this

926
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,840
thing, kids, and then you don't
do it, I think that's one of the

927
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,600
worst things you can do.
You can lose the classes respect

928
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,600
and and yeah, that behaviour can
go to part.

929
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,679
Well, this is so quickly why
it's such a common mistake is

930
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,320
you can get short term gains
from doing it.

931
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:59,040
Yeah.
So.

932
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,800
So if you say to them, guys,
come on, if you concentrate,

933
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,800
we'll have 10 minutes extra
play.

934
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Yeah, immediately.
You know, your class will be on

935
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,400
it, on it, on it.
And then the 10 minutes extra

936
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,480
play can be battered down the
road.

937
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,600
I did this with my kids this
year, right?

938
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,440
Completely made this mistake
this year.

939
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,360
So anyone listening going, oh,
Dylan talks about behaviour

940
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,600
management.
It's something he feels like

941
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,480
he's quite good at.
Yeah.

942
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,600
I feel like it's one of my
strengths.

943
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,400
I did this this year and it was
it was awful.

944
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,040
Go on then, tell me about it it.
Was very simple.

945
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,720
We did, we do times Table
Rockstar at our school and I set

946
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,200
up a couple throughout the year,
couple of battles against other

947
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,640
classes.
I did it with your class in this

948
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,000
year.
So it was year four over year

949
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,360
six.
I did it with a couple of

950
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,480
parallel year four sets.
So year four children against

951
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,760
year four children.
And it was towards the end of

952
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,200
the year.
So I wasn't batting off too far,

953
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,040
but I think it was towards the
end of time five, maybe just

954
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,320
before the half time break.
And I said to them, OK, look,

955
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,480
we're going to do a battle.
If you win this battle, you'll

956
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
get extra play time.
We'll do 10 minutes extra play.

957
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,840
We'll go out before or after,
wherever the start or the end of

958
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520
the lesson immediately.
Oh my gosh, yes, I want to do

959
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,840
it.
Like loads of them went home and

960
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,400
did like honestly, 5 to 10 times
more times I've done before.

961
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,720
And I was like, oh, that worked
because all I really cared

962
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:04,880
about.
Was them doing?

963
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,800
Was them doing?
Some times table rockstars, like

964
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,120
if they won or not, I don't
care, they wanted to win and

965
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,560
that made them do their
timetable practise.

966
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,240
Awesome.
And it's before the times table

967
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,320
check.
And I was like, I just want you

968
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,160
doing this timetable stuff.
And I was like, cool, awesome,

969
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,000
well done.
And we won it.

970
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,560
And I was like, brilliant.
When we come back after half

971
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,360
term, I'll get you some extra
play.

972
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,560
I didn't do the extra play until
week six of time 6, right,

973
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,360
right.
And there was one boy.

974
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,720
And honestly, you can kind of
get away with this.

975
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:31,800
Some 90% of your kids genuinely,
they just forget.

976
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Like they do just forget because
at the half term I didn't forget

977
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,440
on purpose.
I was genuinely wanting to do

978
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,640
this 10 minutes extra play.
And this lad after like two

979
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,440
weeks said, don't we have extra
play?

980
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Like couldn't even think about
it for two weeks.

981
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,520
And I'd not done anything.
And I was like, yes, yes, we do.

982
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,640
We'll do that.
We'll do that.

983
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,080
I can't do it today because
we've got so much planned over

984
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,600
planned.
I said earlier, so much planned.

985
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
We've got to get through this.
And there never seemed to be a

986
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,320
time, right?
Genuinely never seemed to be a

987
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,720
time because even then we had
test week, then something else

988
00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:59,080
was happening.
I'm only in three times a week

989
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,000
as well.
It didn't take a lot to just

990
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,360
kind of just push it back.
I should have done it early and

991
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,680
I should have just said, no,
it's today and something else

992
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,520
gets missed.
You earned it.

993
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,280
And we, because my word exactly,
you earned it.

994
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,280
And it took them to week six.
I gave it to them.

995
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,080
They loved it, but that was bad
from me.

996
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,160
I shouldn't have waited that
long.

997
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,400
If I'm gonna use a carrot or
like a stick, like I'm sure

998
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,480
you're gonna go into now and
explain about the detriments of

999
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,440
that.
If you're gonna use a carrot,

1000
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,000
follow through with it, because
next time if it's the carrot.

1001
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,640
Don't let it go mouldy before.
You give them the carrot, but if

1002
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,840
I'd said it to them again, extra
break.

1003
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,040
That's gone now.
Until I give them the extra

1004
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,120
break time, I can't say that
again.

1005
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,280
And you know what?
Next time be less effective

1006
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,680
because I'm thinking Mr. Price,
it took him like a whole term to

1007
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,600
give us that, and he did it and
reluctantly, really.

1008
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,160
So yeah, that's not really.
Yeah.

1009
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,000
And to them, even though it
wasn't reluctantly to me.

1010
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Doesn't matter to them, it
feels.

1011
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,280
Like it was.
I think it took you 6.

1012
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,400
But Mr. Price would rather have
done one extra sheet in Master

1013
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Lesson.
Yeah, they don't care about

1014
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,600
that.
They want to actually play.

1015
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,360
So, yeah, I mean that that's
really, really, really, really.

1016
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Big it's like follow through of
what you say, don't say it a

1017
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,720
voice.
It does have an impact.

1018
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Very, just a really quick story
because it's similar, but

1019
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,560
something happened to me this
year as well in the the last few

1020
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,480
weeks of this term.
So there's a boy in my class

1021
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,600
loves maths, He's really, really
good at maths and he's a lovely,

1022
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,880
lovely kid.
And I promised him genuinely a

1023
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,040
term ago, in fact before the
Sats.

1024
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,280
So it's like 2 terms really a
term and 1/2 that After the Sats

1025
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,160
me and him would sit down at
lunchtime and watch some videos

1026
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,960
on calculus on what?
On calculus.

1027
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,360
He was next level to learn
calculus and I was like, well, I

1028
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,520
can't teach you it.
I said I don't even know loads

1029
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,800
of it myself.
It's not in the year 6

1030
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,120
curriculum.
I was like, but we can watch

1031
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,240
some YouTube videos if you
really want to.

1032
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,480
I was like, we'll do it in our
lunchtime one day.

1033
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,120
And I just kept pushing it,
pushing it, pushing it because I

1034
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,400
just kept not having time or I'd
forget most of the time.

1035
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,040
And I could just see his little
face.

1036
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,280
Just every week that goes by, he
was like, oh, it's not gonna

1037
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,560
happen, is it?
And I didn't want to let him

1038
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,600
down.
And we did it in the end.

1039
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,400
But again, same as you, it took
way, way too long.

1040
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,920
And it was just a little thing
as a reward.

1041
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,000
And I was just trying.
To shove into either is it?

1042
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,920
I think the big thing is don't
have something that relies on

1043
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,680
someone else that you want to
have under your control.

1044
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Yeah.
So don't if you want, if you you

1045
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,960
want to be able to control your
time, you want to be able to

1046
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,360
control what you do.
You don't want to keep that kid

1047
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,920
in at lunchtime because it means
your lunchtime.

1048
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Yeah, gets ruined.
OK.

1049
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,520
So don't pass that on to someone
else's choices.

1050
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Don't say to your class, class
if you don't do this work, we'll

1051
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,800
stay back at break time.
Yeah, that is immediately now

1052
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,040
out of your control.
Yeah.

1053
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,440
So if you really don't want to
do that, then simply don't do

1054
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,040
it.
Don't just think I'm a teacher.

1055
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,920
I've got to.
I've got to say I'll keep you in

1056
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,080
at break time.
No, you don't.

1057
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,400
Yeah.
No, If you're not actually going

1058
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960
to do it, find a a different way
or suck it up and do it.

1059
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,400
If they don't follow through
with what they're saying like

1060
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,280
it's a simple.
Golden rule is follow up on your

1061
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,640
word.
And then I guess the advice from

1062
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,800
us is try not to do things on a
whim.

1063
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Try not to say like big rewards
or sanctions on a whim.

1064
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,200
If you if you, then you're going
to be out of control of like of

1065
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,960
that time.
What you can do instead is just

1066
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,040
have really clear rules in your
classroom, have really clear

1067
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,320
policies for how they can get
rewards if you really want to be

1068
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,960
that kind of teacher.
But like, these are some things

1069
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
you can do and you'll get
rewards for it, But then it's

1070
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,200
established and you, you know,
you're in control.

1071
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,920
And equally the sanctions here
are the clear sanctions.

1072
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,600
This is what will happen and
I'll follow through of it and

1073
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,240
you're in control of it again.
So you can choose what those

1074
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,400
sanctions are.
It doesn't have to be your

1075
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,200
lunchtime.
What are your thoughts on

1076
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,520
rewards for behaviour and stuff
in general?

1077
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
That's a big question.
Just while we're here like,

1078
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,400
because this mistake, because do
you know what?

1079
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,800
I don't think they're a good
thing.

1080
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,400
I think behaviour, expectations
rules should be Ground Zero.

1081
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Sure.
Expectations, expectations.

1082
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,800
Ground Zero.
That's that is that is what I

1083
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,960
expect.
Like, I don't think someone

1084
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,880
doing the bare minimum of their
work behaving nicely should be

1085
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,440
massively gratuitously rewarded
by some.

1086
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,320
I think it really depends what
school you're in.

1087
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,680
I think that applies to our
school.

1088
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,160
And does it depend what people
within a school as well?

1089
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400
Very much so.
I think, you know that there's

1090
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,880
that we can think of an RA,
There are some, there are some

1091
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
schools where behaviour is very,
very different.

1092
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,760
Sure, right.
And I think you just have to

1093
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,360
have different characters in
different schools.

1094
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Like our school is very average
and we've got really just

1095
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,480
average people, average judges.
Very nice.

1096
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,440
If if anything.
Behaviour is very good.

1097
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,800
Behaviour is really good.
I don't want to say it, I'm

1098
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,600
trying to make sense, but it is
our school has really, really

1099
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,800
good behaviour.
So for our school, yeah, it's an

1100
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,040
expectation that you're doing
the right thing all the time.

1101
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,880
But do you not think everyone
could benefit from that?

1102
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,240
I think so.
I just think that it's very

1103
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,680
idealistic.
I reckon that there are some

1104
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,360
schools out there, it's like,
yeah, great, continue living in

1105
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,440
your great idealistic world.
But in our school that can be

1106
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,840
your expectation all day long
and it doesn't do anything.

1107
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,200
So we need to put reward systems
in place to get them to that

1108
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,320
expectation.
So I think it is, I think it's

1109
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,760
bad.
It's detrimental to have that

1110
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,360
kind of reward system in a
school where the kids are

1111
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,520
already really well behaved.
Sure.

1112
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,480
Because it's like, no, like in
our school, if we did that and

1113
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,960
we don't, we'd be like, well, no
actually, because it's the

1114
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,520
baseline to just be respectful
and nice and behave really well

1115
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,960
and do your.
And then rewards come from going

1116
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,000
above and.
Beyond, above and beyond.

1117
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,680
And being consistently amazing
like that, that's when rewards

1118
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,200
should I.
Think if we didn't our school

1119
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,600
then I agree with your point
then then it's like not

1120
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,640
necessary.
Well, I'm just thinking of like,

1121
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,480
I've heard things before of very
common, very common people

1122
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,280
listening to this might do it.
They might have like, you know,

1123
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,920
reward boxes and stuff like
that.

1124
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,720
And sometimes I know there are
some teachers who are less

1125
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,160
confident who use that because
it's like they can go to it

1126
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,720
almost.
And then I mean, teachers, maybe

1127
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:09,560
they're like assistants who
don't teach, but they've been

1128
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,200
drafted in for a lesson and they
know it's a way just to like

1129
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,400
hook and get a hook on on
behaviour and they don't have

1130
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,280
that relationship a bit fast.
They can be like, you know, five

1131
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080
points and you can pick
something out of the reward

1132
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,240
basket and stuff.
I don't think that's too harmful

1133
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,320
really.
I think that's quite a nice

1134
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,200
thing.
But then you hear of other

1135
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,040
things of like teachers, they
know they're being observed and

1136
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,160
the day before they say, right,
kids, if you behave really well,

1137
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,640
put your hand up all the time,
show all the good things you can

1138
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,920
get a couple of, you know,
sweets after I've got some

1139
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,640
chocolate, I'll bring in that.
With that, I'm just like, oh.

1140
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,600
It's an awkward one.
I think that's just top down

1141
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:44,000
pressure.
Yeah.

1142
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,800
And I think, I think the problem
with that is more less again on

1143
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,240
the teacher, more on the
environment of the school where.

1144
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,200
Observations are placed in a
whole different point.

1145
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,800
Yeah, there's one, the one
energy that always comes to my

1146
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,200
mind, which is, I think, quite a
classic one.

1147
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,360
And maybe some of these guys are
thinking of it already, which is

1148
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080
against the reward system, which
is that you've got a class and

1149
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,240
your worst behaved child in that
class gets rewards for just

1150
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,680
being like everybody else.
That's when I am always like, I

1151
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,000
find that argument difficult
because I'm like, without the

1152
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,080
carrot, would they just
constantly be a nuisance?

1153
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,280
Maybe, but with the carrot and
them then getting a reward for

1154
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,040
not throwing a chair in that day
or what?

1155
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,920
You know, something where it's
like, no one else does this.

1156
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,200
There's an expectation.
It's just.

1157
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,320
How many other people is that
detrimental?

1158
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,000
That's what I mean.
I'm like, there's like, I always

1159
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,360
think there's those.
There's really good kids who can

1160
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,680
go a whole year and get no
rewards because you know what?

1161
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,920
They're just good all the time
anyway, so nothing stands out

1162
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,280
from the behaviour.
And then you've got that those

1163
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560
couple of really naughty
children where it's like when

1164
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,840
they have a good day, everyone's
like, wow, you're so good and

1165
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,680
praising them and you can
imagine their kids and sat there

1166
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,360
like.
And that day wasn't even

1167
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,280
remotely.
Close to what?

1168
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,400
A normal day?
Yeah, you know.

1169
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,680
It's a tricky 1 because that
that comes down to the class

1170
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,360
dynamic where isolated if that
child had a good day, they

1171
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,720
should be rewarded on a total,
it's a good day level.

1172
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,040
So if that child has gone from
being terrible behaviour to okay

1173
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,920
behaviour, that's fantastic for
them.

1174
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,960
It's progress for that.
It's progress individual in the

1175
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,720
same way that if a child didn't
really, really low in math.

1176
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,040
Yep.
And then they suddenly

1177
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,200
understand how to add 10.
Oh, you wouldn't go to them?

1178
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,440
Well, finally.
Yeah, those other kids are going

1179
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,320
to do that all year.
You'd be saying to them, Oh my

1180
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,800
gosh, that's amazing.
Well done.

1181
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960
That's brilliant.
And then if you did that in

1182
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,680
front of someone else who could
already do calculus and they

1183
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,280
were like, oh, what?
That's amazing.

1184
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,080
I would think I'd be within my
rights.

1185
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,520
And I turn to them and say, come
on, come on, it's good for them.

1186
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:30,920
Like it's not it's not good for
you.

1187
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,160
It's good for them though.
So I'm going to praise you and

1188
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,040
and why is it different
behaviour?

1189
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,000
I don't know, I guess it's
because everyone deserves

1190
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,360
praise, I guess is the point.
So those, even those kids, I

1191
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,320
mean, the last analogy, I
wouldn't be like, come on.

1192
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,080
I probably be like, you're
amazing too.

1193
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Yeah, yeah.
But even if they were, if they

1194
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,120
were like almost looking at the
person like.

1195
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,360
Can you explain?
Now that guy they.

1196
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,760
Can't.
Everyone's on their own journey,

1197
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,080
So yeah.
Yeah, you know, throwing, not

1198
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,320
throwing a chair, although it
makes a good meme and stuff, you

1199
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000
know, it's the same kind of
thing where it's like a kids

1200
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,600
like what?
I don't throw a chair all the

1201
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,240
time.
Like listen, I know, but.

1202
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,960
And thank you for that.
And that's brilliant.

1203
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,320
And you're doing fantastically
well.

1204
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,280
But this person was throwing
chairs and now they're not.

1205
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,360
So I'm going to tell them.
Well done.

1206
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,320
Yeah.
And it's it's hard when they're

1207
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,200
seven or eight to have that
level discussion with them.

1208
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,200
But as adults, I do think, I do
think we need to be rewarding

1209
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,920
children who make progress,
whether it's comparatively less

1210
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,040
than other people.
It's tricky.

1211
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,160
One, yeah, no, it's true.
It links really nice actually to

1212
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,880
our next point.
I just want to move on to it.

1213
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,040
Or is it me or you?
I don't know.

1214
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,160
No, you can grow.
But our next point is actually

1215
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,400
not getting around to every
child.

1216
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,920
So it's such a very, very link
because we're talking, I guess,

1217
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,560
about the difference between
some children getting more

1218
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,200
attention right now, sure, than
others for certain reasons.

1219
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,440
So what do you mean by that?
OK, so So what I'm talking about

1220
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,440
is not having anything in your
classroom in place that that

1221
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,560
kind of allows a fair
representation of everyone,

1222
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,000
like, you know, their voices all
being heard.

1223
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
And things right so.
There's always going to be the

1224
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,360
loud.
It's by definition there's going

1225
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,360
to be a child who speaks the
most.

1226
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Everyone who works in the school
or a class right now could

1227
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,560
probably think of four or five
names of children who probably

1228
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,440
spoke more than half of.
Them, yeah, the ones that put

1229
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,680
their hand up for absolutely
everything.

1230
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,080
And it's like, I'm not saying
it's a bad thing, but they just,

1231
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,600
they just interact more.
They want to speak more, they

1232
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,800
want your attention more,
whatever.

1233
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,040
And as a teacher, that can be
fantastic because you're just

1234
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,880
like you're.
You're just begging for some

1235
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,880
conversation that isn't from
your mouth, that's from one of

1236
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,600
their mouths that maybe someone
else could jump off.

1237
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,480
And those kids are amazing at
doing that.

1238
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,400
But what's the?
Problem.

1239
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,840
So the mistake you can make is
forgetting about the other kids.

1240
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,720
It basically is, you know, on
the harshest level, that's how

1241
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,760
I'm going to say it is just
forgetting that there's other

1242
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,640
kids in there, passive learners
in the room, shy children,

1243
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
people, you know, that still
deserve your attention and love

1244
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,560
and support and care and but
they're just not necessarily as

1245
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:30,920
active and loud as the other
ones.

1246
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,800
So that I think that's the
mistake really.

1247
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,800
Typically, typically shy, quiet
girls, typically there's some

1248
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,160
boys who obviously fit into that
as well.

1249
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,320
But what you have is you're
absolutely right because you

1250
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,040
have the academic people who
love it.

1251
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,560
They've got your hand up
answering questions, they're

1252
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,000
working really hard, they're
engaged.

1253
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,280
You've got then you think about
your typical and then getting

1254
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,360
quotes naughty children who are
looking for attention in a

1255
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,480
different way.
They they make that you know,

1256
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,280
you need to tell them OK, right,
focus.

1257
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,120
Then you've got the children who
struggle, who aren't naughty,

1258
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,880
but they just struggle.
You need to give them attention

1259
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,880
because they won't get through
anything.

1260
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,000
And suddenly you've gone through
these four or five groups of

1261
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,280
children who are getting your
attention.

1262
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,680
But out of your 32 in your
class, there will be 456 who

1263
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,800
don't fit.
Those who kind of just crack on

1264
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,320
with the work kind of a bit
stuck, but don't, don't put the

1265
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,000
hand up for any help.
Just try and crack on a bit

1266
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,160
quiet.
Don't put the hand up.

1267
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,200
And those kids, genuinely,
genuinely, if you don't actively

1268
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,600
do something, I I would go a
week.

1269
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Sometimes about talking to them,
but in the lesson.

1270
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,840
So we had training years and
years and years ago.

1271
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,000
And it's really, you know,
there's the odd training you get

1272
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,360
as a teacher where it just
completely sticks with you for

1273
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,000
whatever reason.
I'll tell you why this one stuck

1274
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,600
with me.
It was training on something

1275
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,040
called the term called the
hidden child.

1276
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,560
And, and the idea was that in
your classroom, every classroom

1277
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,560
has a hidden child.
And essentially it is, if you

1278
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,760
rank them in order of how much
interaction they get with you,

1279
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,840
it's the one at the bottom.
And, and this whole training was

1280
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,400
about being just actually
conscious of that and being

1281
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,040
really aware because it's so
easy to just just totally ignore

1282
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,880
it in your subconscious and not
realise that you're not

1283
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,160
interacting.
And I remember sat there in this

1284
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,640
training thinking about my class
at the time.

1285
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,680
And the activity was, was
basically to try and work out

1286
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,760
who your hidden child was.
And I, and I, and this was a

1287
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,280
halfway through the year and I
realised that I reckon I'd

1288
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,800
interacted with that child
during lesson time less than

1289
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,480
five times that whole year
because they never put their

1290
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,480
hand up.
They just want those kids

1291
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,120
extremely passive.
They never asked for help, they

1292
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,640
never like their body language,
never is inviting.

1293
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,240
So they just and but there's
always someone else that is so I

1294
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,920
was never drawn to them.
And I, this is early on in my

1295
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,960
teaching career and I and I
think it stuck with me because I

1296
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,360
felt so bad.
I was like, Oh my God, that kid

1297
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,760
probably thinks I don't care
about them.

1298
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,080
That kid probably thinks that
all the other children are more

1299
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,560
important and they've got self
esteem issues and I'm just

1300
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,400
feeding and I'm fueling and I'm
making it worse.

1301
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,360
And now they're going to leave
my classroom and I'm going to.

1302
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,520
And I just went down this spiral
of like, I'm, I'm terrible.

1303
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,280
I've done this terrible thing.
But yeah, overall, the hidden

1304
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,240
child thing now, every single
year I make such a conscious

1305
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,880
effort to think who is my hidden
child or who are my hidden

1306
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,280
children in this class.
I am going to can go out of my

1307
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,760
way to interact with those
because they will not interact

1308
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,600
with me unless I do it.
And I'm gonna make them feel

1309
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,160
good.
I'm gonna say positive things to

1310
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,680
them.
I'm gonna stop other children

1311
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,720
from talking over them and I'm
gonna get them to.

1312
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,280
I just really go out of my way
now to interact with.

1313
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,600
And all they wanted was a quiet
life.

1314
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,200
And you've ruined it.
Yeah, but it's absolutely true.

1315
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,800
And it's, it's so common and
every teacher will do that

1316
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,480
unless they've had that epiphany
like you.

1317
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,280
And what's fantastic, what's
amazing is when, because I think

1318
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,520
that that training stuck with me
as well.

1319
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,600
I think it stuck with most
people, really good bit of

1320
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,040
training.
And there was, I think it was

1321
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,640
two years ago maybe there was a
girl I very quickly realised was

1322
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,000
that hidden was that hidden
child who was just beautifully

1323
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,080
behaved, very quiet, middly, you
know, just cracks can do OK.

1324
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Sometimes there's a band that
when she's stuck but has a go,

1325
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000
like really good attitude but
never wants to disrupt anything.

1326
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,720
And I quite quickly cottoned on
that she was that kind of person

1327
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,160
and she reacted so well to that
bit of a tension that I feel

1328
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,720
like she didn't get that much.
And so throughout the year, I'd

1329
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,280
be picking her up like, that's
fantastic work.

1330
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Like because it was really good
work, but it was something I

1331
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,240
might not have seen before.
I was like, are you doing?

1332
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,000
So?
Thank you so much for being so

1333
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,040
well behaved.
You're going out of your way.

1334
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,840
Basically, thank you for trying
your hardest.

1335
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,840
And if you ever start, make sure
you can tell me, you know?

1336
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,200
And she still wouldn't quite
like doing that, but I'd go to

1337
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,400
her and be like, oh, you're
stuck on this.

1338
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,760
And she'd be like, yeah, and
she'd want the help.

1339
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,760
And at the end of the year, mum
got me this really nice gift,

1340
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,280
really nice card.
And it's when you get a card

1341
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,840
from the kid and the mum like
separate again, that hits

1342
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,160
different, doesn't it?
And it's like the, the, the kid

1343
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,320
was like, Oh, thank you for my
teacher.

1344
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Classic best teacher, all what
kids do.

1345
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,440
And then a card from the mum was
just like, oh, thank you so

1346
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,560
much.
You've really boosted her

1347
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,000
confidence.
And I'm like, oh, if I didn't

1348
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,320
actively go out of my way to
find this hidden child and put

1349
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,080
my attention onto her, not all
the time, but just more than

1350
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,600
nothing, then that wouldn't have
happened.

1351
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,280
And that had a tangible effect,
that girl's education, and she

1352
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,960
progressed more and became more
confident and enjoyed school

1353
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,440
more because of the actions of
the teacher.

1354
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,760
Yeah, I think, I think this is
becoming my favourite point of

1355
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,880
our top five.
So you're a teacher now

1356
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,040
listening to this, Then you're
thinking they do that.

1357
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,840
Yeah, how can you help it?
Yeah, there's loads.

1358
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,440
There's loads of little
strategies you can do in the

1359
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,240
class and you've probably heard
of them, but ways that you can

1360
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,840
randomise your interactions to
ensure that everyone gets a fair

1361
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,960
chance.
Lolly sticks, I love lolly

1362
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,000
sticks.
Just get 32 lolly sticks.

1363
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Put your kids names on all the
lolly sticks.

1364
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,800
I'm just picking out of the pot.
Every now and then when you want

1365
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,600
to ask a question, you know lots
of kids want to interact with

1366
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,120
you.
Rather than the same eight kids

1367
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,840
putting their hands up and
answering every question.

1368
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,880
Just say to their children after
this conversation, whatever, I'm

1369
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,000
going to ask you this question.
I'm going to pick someone at

1370
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,160
random so they all know no one's
like filling on the spot and and

1371
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,920
you're gonna have a go answering
the question then pass on to

1372
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,680
someone else.
So lolly sticks making

1373
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,920
conversations with them are
really good.

1374
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,640
And don't put the lolly stick
back in the box when you.

1375
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:42,920
Ask them.
Yes, keep it out.

1376
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,960
So by the end you only got 1
lolly stick left and you know

1377
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,080
that person has been asked
something.

1378
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,720
I'm gonna hand over to you with
this one, but partner talk.

1379
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,400
So this feeds into logistics
because I quite often say talk

1380
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,760
to discuss with your partners
first to like formulate your

1381
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,760
answer and then I'm going to
pick someone out at random.

1382
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,680
Now tell me a bit more about
partner talks.

1383
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,200
I know you were like obsessed
with this earlier in your.

1384
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,280
Career, Well, because I can.
So early in your career you hear

1385
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,080
about partner talk and you think
paired talks.

1386
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,280
You get told it's really
important.

1387
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,000
And I completely agree.
I think partner talk, children

1388
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,280
talking to each other is vital
when they're learning because

1389
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,400
there can be often too much
teacher talk.

1390
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,960
And what you want is the
children not just listening to

1391
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,320
you, but saying what you've said
dead.

1392
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,120
Explaining something to their
partner.

1393
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,520
It's way more likely to stick
them before they can do their

1394
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,320
individual work.
Yeah.

1395
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,720
So I see partner talk as a huge
middle ground of establishing

1396
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,240
facts and children understanding
something before they then go

1397
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,520
off and do something themselves.
So there's like between me

1398
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,760
talking and then writing.
Partner talk is just kick.

1399
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,400
So how do you do it?
You just go talk to your partner

1400
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,000
and expect them to have these
intellectual conversations.

1401
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,040
Exactly, this is the problem
when he was out in your career

1402
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,400
because you're completely agreed
of how important it was.

1403
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,720
So I'd go to my class and I'd be
like, right class Perimeter is

1404
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,520
the distance around a shape, the
total distance out of shape.

1405
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,360
Tell your partner what perimeter
is, and they go perimeter.

1406
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,880
And do you want me to do that
shouting thing?

1407
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,120
Yeah, Pyramid.
And some of them aren't looking

1408
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,240
at each other.
Some of them don't do it.

1409
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:00,680
Some are just fiddling with a
pencil.

1410
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,920
There's someone whacking in
their ear.

1411
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:02,960
They're not shouting to each
other.

1412
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,400
Not.
Even talking to each other or

1413
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,600
they're just parroting what I've
said and I'm like, oh, nice one.

1414
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,680
And I think to myself, oh,
partner talk awesome.

1415
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,000
They all remember what perimeter
is now.

1416
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,040
No, they don't.
What children need and if we're

1417
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,840
going to get around to not see
making sure every child is not

1418
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,360
hidden.
A big part of this can be with

1419
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,240
good partner talk and basically
you have to teach them to be

1420
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,000
partners.
It's like it's like a pre step

1421
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,920
here.
You have to teach them to make

1422
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,680
eye contact with each other.
You have to teach them to turn

1423
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,720
their body.
When you say partner talk, turn

1424
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,080
their bodies to their partner
and look at them like we're

1425
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,680
looking at each other now and
and it's a two way conversation.

1426
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,000
Otherwise it's just one person
talking at the other one.

1427
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,480
And it has to be a conversation
back and forth.

1428
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,240
And the way you can force that
again, you can train your

1429
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,440
children to know who's partner A
partner B or if you don't like

1430
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,640
A&B are one and two, you can do
partner, red partner, blue

1431
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,560
partner so it's more equitable
and stuff like that.

1432
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,240
And you can say, OK, red
partners hand up.

1433
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:54,440
All the red partners been hand
up.

1434
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,040
I want you to explain to blue
partner what perimeter is.

1435
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,920
And then they do that.
And then afterwards you can say

1436
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
blue partners hands up.
Someone tell me what red partner

1437
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,920
said and you're teaching them
then to listen.

1438
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,680
And there's a consequence for
listening because I'm going to

1439
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,440
pick someone one at random, one
of my blue partners.

1440
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,520
And the idea of actually
teaching children how to

1441
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,000
converse and talk.
If you don't do that, all you

1442
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,920
get is children shouting, not
talking half the month

1443
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,160
listening.
It might look and present like

1444
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,280
good pupil talking.
And if someone walks through

1445
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,880
like all these pupils, they're
not, they have to look at each

1446
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,720
other.
And what you can also say to

1447
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,520
them to teach them is OK, blue
partner explain the answer, red

1448
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,800
partner tell them why you agree
or disagree.

1449
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,600
And then it just forces blue
partners to be like, OK, I think

1450
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,840
the answer is 44 because you
have to get the missing side 1st

1451
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,280
and then partner red might go I
think you're right, but you're

1452
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,480
missing the units.
There has to be a because in

1453
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,160
there or something to and I
think teaching children how to

1454
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,120
be good partners, it means that
that hidden child, even if you

1455
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,000
physically can't get to them
because you do have other needs,

1456
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,920
you need to.
That might be more pressing, but

1457
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,400
at least you know they're
getting something out of the

1458
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,240
partner next to them.
They're talking, They're really

1459
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:00,840
part of the conversation.
I think it's really powerful.

1460
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:01,720
Brilliant.
Thank you for that.

1461
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,560
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I think it's such a such a

1462
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,640
powerful tool we've used
correctly.

1463
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,480
So back just to finish up this
point then about how we can make

1464
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,680
voices around the room fair and
heard.

1465
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,760
There's lots of little things,
other things you can do as well.

1466
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,160
So you got the lolly sticks, you
got the partner talk, random

1467
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,320
name generators and also just
creating systems.

1468
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,600
Firstly identifying them as a
teacher, your responsibilities

1469
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,080
to identify those children.
Maybe try and write down your

1470
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,960
six like if you were to list
them top to bottom of who

1471
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,480
interacts the most, think of
your bottom 6 and then think of

1472
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,080
a system you can use in your
classroom.

1473
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Could be literally anything
where it just means that

1474
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,360
everyone gets a chance to talk
about something.

1475
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,720
It could be in tables, it could
be in partners, it could be a

1476
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,040
little game you play every day
where everyone gets a chance to

1477
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,600
say something or talk or reflect
on their week like a show and

1478
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,040
tell thing and everyone's on the
list.

1479
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,160
It's fair.
I don't know.

1480
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,960
It doesn't matter.
But you can think of systems

1481
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,480
where your primary goal is.
Everyone gets heard in this

1482
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,160
classroom.
Absolutely brilliant.

1483
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,360
Let's go into our last 1 #5
before we do our quick fire at

1484
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,440
the end.
I want you to talk about this

1485
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,840
one because again, I think this
is something you've moved a lot

1486
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,000
on from someone watching your
career.

1487
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,120
I think you've got a lot better
at this.

1488
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,520
So very common mistake still and
you made it a lot.

1489
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,680
I think you'd be the first one
to admit when you started off

1490
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,560
your career and a lot of people
do, is being a pushover to

1491
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,320
parents.
So, so that is a common mistake

1492
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,600
as a teacher and and how do you
overcome that?

1493
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,960
Because it's such a common thing
for a parent to be demanding or

1494
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,720
say they need something.
And as a teacher, you think, oh,

1495
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,560
it's my job to accommodate
everything.

1496
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,640
It's a mistake, isn't it?
It is a mistake and we're being

1497
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,840
careful with the way we talk
about this one.

1498
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:27,960
You can probably hear in Dylan's
voice.

1499
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,280
Because what what we don't want
to get across here is like

1500
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,680
ungratefulness as teachers or
the fact, you know, forgetting

1501
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,840
the fact that we are serving
these people, we are serving the

1502
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,760
community.
Absolutely.

1503
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Those parents, we are serving
them because we're looking after

1504
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,320
our children in the day.
And when we agree with that and

1505
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,720
we think that's important, but
there is, there is a line

1506
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:43,520
because the end of the day,
we're humans doing a job and

1507
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,800
we're paid for that job and it's
already completely filled with

1508
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,480
time.
So I'll give you an analogy, an

1509
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,560
anecdote, I guess to start with,
really early on in my career, a

1510
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,000
parent and who had a nice
relationship with this wasn't an

1511
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,280
awkward interaction, but a
parent came up to me and said,

1512
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,760
we're going on holiday over
Easter holidays and we're going

1513
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,840
to be away for like the first
week of term or something like

1514
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,400
that.
I, I need, I need some, need

1515
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,400
some work for them.
Can you prepare?

1516
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,120
Can you like get all your maths
to me so that they can do the

1517
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,080
maths on holiday?
Obviously my gut reaction to

1518
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,240
that was that's a lot of work,
but that's a lot of work for me

1519
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,560
to I haven't even planned this
lessons yet.

1520
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,720
That's doing that in Easter
holidays doesn't exist right

1521
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,400
now, don't even exist yet.
And I'd have to present it and

1522
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,480
print it and all this stuff like
this is not fun.

1523
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,120
But obviously in that moment and
maybe you guys are like this as

1524
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,240
well.
My highest concern is I have to,

1525
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,200
everyone has to like me,
especially the parents, because

1526
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,680
I couldn't deal with a parent
not like me.

1527
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,520
And then maybe making a
complaint or something like

1528
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,200
that.
So of course I was like, yeah,

1529
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,680
yeah, course, course.
I didn't even allude that that

1530
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,360
might be tricky to do because I
was like, Oh no, I don't want to

1531
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,560
give them the idea that I don't
want to.

1532
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,880
I was like, yeah, yeah, of
course, yeah, I'll get that to

1533
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,040
you, get that to you the end of
the week.

1534
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,080
Then thinking, yeah, that's not
a problem.

1535
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,160
Almost pretending as if it
wasn't a problem because I want

1536
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,120
to make them feel so
comfortable.

1537
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,520
It's so important that they're
really happy right now that I'm

1538
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,360
going to just take all these
sacrifices and really looking

1539
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,400
back, I absolutely shouldn't
have.

1540
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,360
Done that.
What should you have done then?

1541
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,800
What?
OK, so if it was me now and it

1542
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,520
was because.
Just very quickly for a context.

1543
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,520
Yeah, it is a lovely parent.
Yeah.

1544
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,360
And they are, they they do just
want, you know, they're asking

1545
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,760
for something that will help
their kid.

1546
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Yeah.
And you're their maths teacher.

1547
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,560
So, like, there's lots of things
here.

1548
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,880
I can imagine some people
listening.

1549
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,480
Maybe you aren't teachers,
especially a bit like.

1550
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,200
That's reasonable, isn't it?
I mean, if I I'd ask teachers

1551
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:20,880
so.
But.

1552
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,480
But I completely agree with what
you're saying.

1553
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,040
You know, you hadn't prepared it
yet.

1554
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,960
Yeah.
So what what would you say to a

1555
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,240
teacher then?
What is the right thing to do

1556
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,320
that isn't just buying off more
than?

1557
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,600
You do OK.
So I think if it's a parent

1558
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,440
you've got a nice relationship
with, then trying to find a

1559
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,160
middle ground, middle ground is
really up to you.

1560
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,760
If they come up to me being
rude, I'd probably be a bit more

1561
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,720
like, no, sorry, I don't have
the time to do that.

1562
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,080
It's, you know, it's your
prerogative to take your child

1563
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,440
out of school.
Unfortunately, I'll just have to

1564
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,280
miss that week and we'll do our
best to catch them up in school.

1565
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,600
I'd, you know, have some
formulated response like that,

1566
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,680
that was just basically saying
no.

1567
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,880
But if a parent is being polite
and genuinely just wants to have

1568
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,240
a nice relationship with me, I'd
probably say to them, I don't

1569
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,440
think it's reasonable that I'll
be able to get all of this done

1570
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,200
because I plan my less.
I'd be honest.

1571
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,240
For a start, I'd be planning my
lessons these holidays ready for

1572
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,760
the next term.
So I won't have this ready for

1573
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
you.
And I'm pretty like packed up

1574
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,720
with with my time in this last
week.

1575
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,320
So I'm not, it's not, I'm not
going to have to get that.

1576
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,080
Stuff.
It's not reasonable.

1577
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,320
Requests, but then I then I'd
say to them, but let me go away

1578
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,360
and I'll see if I can find any
existing resources that might be

1579
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,680
of use and I'll, and I'll see if
I can get some printed by the

1580
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,160
end of the week for you.
And you can, you can just take a

1581
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,160
booklet home.
And I'd find that middle ground

1582
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,080
where I'm like, I don't mind
doing a 15 minute job for me.

1583
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,920
I really don't.
Because with that, you know,

1584
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,320
they've been respectful and
actually, I do care about the

1585
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,920
kid and I and you know, it is my
job, but I'd make it clear that

1586
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,400
it's that the extra, it's not an
expectation.

1587
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,520
This is extra.
And if they were then funny

1588
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,840
about it, I wouldn't do it.
That's that's where I'm

1589
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,560
different.
Now if they were funny about it

1590
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,200
and you know, they complained or
whatever, something bad came of

1591
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,520
it, I'll be like, okay, fair
enough.

1592
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,480
Well, unfortunately have the
time to do this.

1593
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,800
We'll have to just catch up on
we're back.

1594
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,840
What about in general?
I think that's really

1595
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,120
interesting.
That's, that's almost the

1596
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,040
hardest version for me because
it is very much almost within

1597
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,840
our remit.
Like we are their maths teacher.

1598
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,720
We don't want them to like,
would it be easier for us to do

1599
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,120
that because then we wouldn't
have to catch them up.

1600
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Do you know what I mean?
Like is it in the long run, is

1601
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,520
that easier for us?
But it still has to be our

1602
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,720
choice.
I think it's it's our

1603
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,800
prerogative in the same.
Just as it's their choice taking

1604
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,160
their child out of exactly, you
know, because I wouldn't be

1605
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,160
turning around to them in the
same sort of tone saying, oh,

1606
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,000
would you mind actually just not
taking them out for that week?

1607
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,200
That'd be really great.
Thank you.

1608
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,160
Or or, you know, they're going
away for that week.

1609
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,640
And actually, he always hands
the books out.

1610
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,040
So could he just come back to
hand the books out?

1611
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,440
Or he'd hand the books out now?
Yeah.

1612
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,720
Can you think of, can you think
of a solution in your free time

1613
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,560
to do this place?
Thank you.

1614
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

1615
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,280
So I, you know, I think a
reasonable, I think what you've

1616
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,560
got to remember in your head is
right.

1617
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,280
And this is like interactions in
life in general.

1618
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,680
I think if they're a reasonable
person, then they'll understand

1619
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,600
your reasonable response, which
is I can't, you know, my time

1620
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,640
doesn't allow this.
And if they don't understand

1621
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,720
that response, then they're not
very reasonable people.

1622
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,480
And and then you don't no longer
need to pander to them.

1623
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,640
Like do do you care if they like
you at this point?

1624
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,800
Not really.
I I wouldn't anymore If as a

1625
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,720
parent that's been rude and
horrible to me, I'd be like, I

1626
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720
don't like you anyway.
You're not being nice to me.

1627
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,000
So I'm not going to go out of my
way anyway to do this.

1628
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,480
Like, no, that's not how
interactions work in life.

1629
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,280
And I would say this is probably
the ultimate version of the

1630
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,040
tricky thing with a parent
because if you think about other

1631
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,280
mistakes we make with parents,
sometimes is accepting way worse

1632
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,360
as an NQT or like a less
experienced teacher.

1633
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,800
Or even now, actually, I've seen
it with experienced teachers

1634
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,160
still just a bit, don't say
scared, but worried about how

1635
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,640
they come across.
And a parent is being damn right

1636
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,280
rude to them, shouting at them,
you know, siding with their

1637
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,080
child when they weren't even in
the room kind of thing.

1638
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,600
Like, you did this to my child.
Yeah.

1639
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,240
And I see parents, I see
teachers.

1640
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,160
Sorry.
Kind of just like, oh, sorry.

1641
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,040
Like, yeah.
Yeah.

1642
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,080
Backing down almost.
So you're not even in the wrong.

1643
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,480
Yeah.
But that I think that's a

1644
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:33,320
mistake.
Again, like.

1645
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,760
And I think a lot of that comes
from management, senior

1646
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,480
management.
Yeah.

1647
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,640
Who you need to be sure have
your back.

1648
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Yeah.
And then as a teacher, if

1649
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,400
someone's talking to you like
awfully, genuinely, awfully,

1650
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,720
I've seen before, you need to be
able to.

1651
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,640
And it's hard because it's not
nice being talking to you like

1652
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,040
that.
You need to be able to kind of

1653
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,040
stand up for yourself.
Yeah.

1654
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,640
And be like, it's hard.
Sorry you're shouting at me

1655
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,400
right now.
Yeah, I'm happy to talk to you,

1656
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,560
but you need to book an
appointment.

1657
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,880
But yeah, you're gonna book an
appointment now.

1658
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:59,960
And it's gonna be with
management.

1659
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,600
We're gonna have someone there.
Yeah.

1660
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,400
And.
And doubling up is a big thing,

1661
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,320
I'd say to people with parents,
if you know, you're dealing with

1662
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,280
a tricky parent, something our
school, you know, I think

1663
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,560
understands well.
And I've worked with people who

1664
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,920
understand this where, you know,
at the end of the day, maybe

1665
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,720
you, you've got a parent who's
tricky, there's always another

1666
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,800
teacher nearby.
Just just double up there,

1667
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,240
especially just for, you know,
witnesses and, and anything like

1668
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,480
that.
If you're having a tricky

1669
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,080
conversation and no one's with
you, stop and just say, I'm

1670
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,760
happy to continue this if you
calm down.

1671
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,400
And if we go somewhere else, we
know there'll be another

1672
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,240
teacher.
Or if you know there's a teacher

1673
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,440
next to you.
I've done it before where I've

1674
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,320
not got involved what I've
watched and I've seen.

1675
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,000
And then afterwards I can be
like, no, no, the parent was

1676
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,720
saying this and it was that
order kind of thing.

1677
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,000
And I'm there as a witness and I
know what's going on.

1678
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,080
So it's a really tricky one.
Like even a few years ago,

1679
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,320
probably like five or six years
ago now, ages ago, I had an

1680
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,360
interaction with a parent and I
was kind of in the middle ground

1681
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,120
at this point where I'm like,
I'm a bit more confident, but

1682
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,240
I'm not as confident as I am
now.

1683
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,440
And, and, and the simple thing,
right, which I didn't think was

1684
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,800
going to be a problem that their
kids swore right at the end of

1685
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,600
the day.
And it's only, they're only like

1686
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,120
8 years old.
So it's like not like I'm in

1687
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,960
secondary school and they're 16
and a different conversation and

1688
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,120
I just literally told the parent
it was it was a dad that came to

1689
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,160
pick pick the kid up that that
child swore at this other kid.

1690
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,720
I was like no basically just
saying just for your

1691
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,280
information, this happened like
3 minutes ago.

1692
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,840
Something that you saw?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1693
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,560
So can you just sort of deal
with it basically and to have a

1694
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,280
chat with her and which I
thought was going to be nothing

1695
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,840
come of it, but like, oh, I'm
sorry, yeah, of course we have a

1696
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,840
chat.
I got really, really defensive

1697
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,280
and genuinely started shouting
in my face and saying my kid

1698
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,360
would never swear, would you?
And looked, looked at her and

1699
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,240
was like, would you?
And she didn't say anything and

1700
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,720
it genuinely just got so aggy
and ended up just storming off

1701
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,760
like I was mid centre.
I was like, yeah, well actually

1702
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,280
I heard it.
And there's other girl, the one

1703
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,000
that he's swearing to and he's
went, oh, Mikey would never do

1704
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,160
that.
And then sort of swearing at me

1705
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,320
and walked off like a
caricature.

1706
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,400
Genuinely what mid sentence and
and my blood is boiling at this

1707
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,960
point thinking where is that
line where I'm trying to be

1708
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,440
professional.
He's calling a barefaced.

1709
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:53,920
Liar.
Yeah.

1710
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,440
But I also want to go up to you
and and turn you around and be

1711
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,480
like, tell it tell you off like,
no, this is what happened.

1712
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,400
Actually.
But I'm like, I can't.

1713
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,120
I'm professional and I look back
and I'm like, I can't wish I had

1714
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,280
that.
I wish I had the confidence to

1715
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,600
be like, no, actually, I'm gonna
deal with this.

1716
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,760
And after I just left it, I was
really, I'd like to go back and

1717
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,480
be like, no, go to SLT right
now.

1718
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,440
Get your head teacher to ring
that that parent, bring them in

1719
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,280
for a meeting and actually have
a talk about it and, and get

1720
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,760
them to say to them, talk to me
like that again.

1721
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,000
And you're not, you're not
allowed on the playground.

1722
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,400
Yeah, completely.
I mean, things like that where

1723
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,080
I'm like, no, there's got to be
a sanction because I'm not being

1724
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,280
spoken to you like that.
As simple as that.

1725
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,640
But I wasn't that confident.
And I still think I'd struggle

1726
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,080
with that now, but I'm think I'm
more likely.

1727
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:26,880
But but that is how it should be
dealt with.

1728
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:27,440
Yeah.
Do you want me?

1729
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,960
It should be completely.
I think they're fantastic. 5

1730
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,880
great tips there.
So hopefully that's helped you.

1731
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,160
We're gonna have a really quick
Jingle, then we'll do our quick

1732
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,280
fire tips and.
And finish the app.

1733
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,160
Finish it off.
Yeah, stick around.

1734
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,440
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1735
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,600
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01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,240
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1737
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1738
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,080
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01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,600
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1740
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,480
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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,080
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1742
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,280
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1743
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,720
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1744
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:03,840
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Really.

1745
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,720
Yeah.
If you're listening to this, I

1746
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,480
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1747
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,160
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1748
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,240
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1749
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,800
Go to it right now and just like
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1750
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,760
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1751
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:17,960
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1752
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:18,760
That'd be.
Really cool.

1753
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,680
Give us our first like.
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1754
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,640
Days after posting, we're going
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1755
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,720
Fire.
These didn't make the cut.

1756
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,320
We're going to be really quick.
Let's do one each.

1757
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,240
You're going to start us off.
And there's no there's no like

1758
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,640
way around.
Mistakes teachers make, mistakes

1759
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:31,800
teachers make.
Everyone does this.

1760
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,280
Number one is forgetting to get
the kids to write their name on

1761
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,760
loose work before you hand it
in.

1762
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,800
Isn't that just?
Infuriating thing.

1763
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,440
And always you hand them out.
There's like street.

1764
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,800
I'm like, leave them to the end.
There's three left.

1765
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,440
And then you do like the hand up
of shame.

1766
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,680
Yeah.
Who's handling these?

1767
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,440
It's the same three kids.
Terrible.

1768
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,560
So just trying to get a kid to
like be the monitor of names.

1769
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,320
I'll tell you one thing I do do
if this one that works really

1770
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,120
well when I don't forget to do
this as well is I always get the

1771
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,640
kids to peer check their name
because they're way more likely

1772
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,080
to be like that that person did
it wrong than themselves.

1773
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,440
You say check your partner's,
put your name in it.

1774
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:02,680
That's all you say on it before
you click them in.

1775
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,320
Yeah, nice little trick there #2
not having spare exercise books

1776
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,280
ready.
This is unreal because you are

1777
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,800
literally done all your starters
and stuff.

1778
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,920
The kids are writing, the
writing their date, and well, in

1779
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,920
their book, you're ready to
deliver their most amazing mass

1780
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,080
essence.
Yeah, what do you want?

1781
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,240
Mr. Price, I've got no, I've
need a new book, right?

1782
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,880
I've got no space left.
What have you been doing or what

1783
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,600
did you do your margins yet?
What's the price?

1784
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:23,960
I need a new but I haven't got
any space to let.

1785
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,720
No, there's no, there's no
margins because I was writing on

1786
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,920
the back cover of the book.
We've been doing, we've been

1787
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,760
doing our date for two minutes.
I'm someone else now.

1788
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,040
Someone else.
You've just, you've just thought

1789
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,280
this out.
You've managed to go and find

1790
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:33,880
one book.
All right.

1791
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,600
Ready.
Come back in.

1792
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,400
Right, guys, Ready for our
lesson?

1793
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,080
What, Mr. Price?
Yeah.

1794
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,080
I need a new book.
As well I've just been anyway.

1795
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,560
That is kind of your fault as
well though as a teacher because

1796
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,840
just always have some spare
books.

1797
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,560
Have more than one spare as well
and especially when it's that

1798
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,760
time of year where most kids
finish their books in the same

1799
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,560
class though.
So if one kid finishes their

1800
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,520
book go and get like enough for
everyone.

1801
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,080
But you're cupboard jobs are
good. #3 at least once a week

1802
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,120
this happens to me so I'm really
sorry to my office staff.

1803
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,200
And in our school when we take
the register we do it on an

1804
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,920
online portal and I constantly,
constantly forget to do it.

1805
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,000
And I get a phone call through
the school system.

1806
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,440
But can you please do your
register?

1807
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,920
And I'm like, I'm so sorry.
I get I get the actual office

1808
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,640
stuff coming to my room saying
Mr. Price, could you register

1809
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,360
please?
And the kids now it's happened

1810
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,960
so much that the kids go, they
know, forgotten.

1811
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,560
But the reason is because I
leave it open because people

1812
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:22,920
file through and in the morning,
save.

1813
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,040
Leave it open.
Leave it open.

1814
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,120
Save it.
Maybe they'll come.

1815
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,600
Maybe they'll come.
OK, mass time.

1816
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,040
Off you go, guys.
And I just start teaching maths.

1817
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,800
And it's my fault.
I forget it.

1818
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,200
All right?
Do you know what?

1819
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,440
I'm not going.
To easy way around it.

1820
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,360
Get your kids in charge of it.
Not you.

1821
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,440
Just get them to be the
monitors.

1822
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,880
Get a save monitor if you really
need to.

1823
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,560
Do you know what I mean?
Like your job is to tell me to

1824
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,880
save the register every day?
Right #4 this one absolutely

1825
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,360
cracks me up #4 and five are
kind of linked.

1826
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,920
So first one, awkward table,
awkward table arrangement, hard

1827
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,840
to move around class.
Now, this is a mistake I

1828
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,840
constantly make because I have
this really cool idea of how I

1829
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,360
want to arrange my tables in my
classroom.

1830
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,040
Yeah.
And it starts off as like 1 core

1831
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,720
idea and I'm like, I'm gonna
horseshoe here.

1832
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:58,960
Yeah, that's my brilliant all
this kid.

1833
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,760
I mean, I'm horseshoe in the
middle and I can have a couple

1834
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,120
of things over there, couple
things over there.

1835
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,520
There's always one table, which
makes absolutely no sense.

1836
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,800
It's like facing the wall, like
away from the board.

1837
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,600
It's like, look, the kids are
just a completely awkward angle.

1838
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,840
They're facing each other like
it's just terrible.

1839
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,560
There's not one arrangement of
tables in my room, which is

1840
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,120
good.
There's always, always something

1841
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,600
left at the end, which is bad.
I don't have to.

1842
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,040
See, the traditional way is the
best.

1843
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,960
Just do.
It honestly falls really just

1844
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:27,040
two tables together in fours.
Or do the classic 3 tables

1845
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,080
making a six.
Just just go old groups.

1846
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,520
Groups or rows, No other words.
Groups.

1847
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,479
Interesting.
It's very modern.

1848
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,560
I prefer groups.
Last one, yeah, anyway, last

1849
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,279
one.
So that one's good.

1850
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:38,319
Yeah.
Last one, yeah.

1851
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,080
So thinking of the classroom in
mind.

1852
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,680
Quick fire tip #5 is where you
place the.

1853
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,920
Children.
You, especially when you know

1854
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,040
them first.
Beginning of the year I'll let

1855
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,800
you off.
But when you know the kids and

1856
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,760
who they are awful with because
they're mates and they'll just

1857
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,479
chat, chat, chat.
A common mistake.

1858
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:54,760
Sitting in the wrong place and
what?

1859
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,920
And specifically really what I
mean is you might be aware of

1860
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,000
this, but then suddenly you've
got 2 tables.

1861
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,800
You're like, Yep, I've separated
Jimmy and Timmy.

1862
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:03,760
They're not next to each other
now, but they're actually

1863
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,960
back-to-back on tables next to
each other, which is even worse

1864
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,800
because now they can turn around
and talk to each other.

1865
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:08,840
Yeah, yeah.
And it's just so much.

1866
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,560
Worse until it's in real life in
front of you.

1867
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,800
You're like, this plan on paper
looks fantastic.

1868
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:14,319
They're on other sides of the
room.

1869
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,479
No, no, they're in direct
eyesight of each other.

1870
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,680
They just look across five kids
talk still disrupting everyone

1871
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,439
in between you.
And it's like, Oh my God, So

1872
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,520
classic mistake.
Get them there.

1873
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,439
And then just I always say to my
kids, by the way, always I say

1874
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,920
new seating plan.
I will change it immediately.

1875
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,720
I say I say to instruct because
I don't want to sat down.

1876
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,880
Oh, this is lovely.
And then suddenly I'm like, oh

1877
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,680
gosh.
I forgot two kids and these two

1878
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,640
kids together.
I always say to mine, firstly I

1879
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,800
change it once a term.
I don't care what you do or what

1880
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:38,920
you say.
I change them once a term at the

1881
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,319
beginning of each term.
No matter what.

1882
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,279
That's just what happens.
You can't change it sooner

1883
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,800
unless I want to.
And secondly I say to them, I

1884
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,760
actively try to avoid you
sitting with your friends.

1885
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,840
If you're sat near a friend,
that is a coincidence.

1886
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,920
Get over it.
But that is it because I don't I

1887
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,359
hate that some kids are like,
oh, you sat them two together.

1888
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,640
That makes it's It's out of my
control.

1889
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,440
It's out my control.
I don't say it's my friends and

1890
01:09:58,440 --> 01:09:59,600
I come in.
I'm sat next to you.

1891
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,400
Yeah, good one guys.
I hope you enjoyed this episode.

1892
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,200
A nice summer one.
Did I mention Eva's review?

1893
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,000
No, you didn't.
Eva's review, definitely Eva's

1894
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,720
review really helps that.
Send us a message, any stories,

1895
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,440
anything you want, if you want
to be featured or shout it out.

1896
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:16,160
Then if you shout out lately,
let me know.

1897
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,920
Message me on Instagram.
It's me running Instagram, not

1898
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,120
this guy.
He doesn't do anything for his

1899
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,000
podcast.
He just turns up and we're going

1900
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,680
to finish it there.
Guys, have a lovely summer and

1901
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,240
we'll see you where we're going
to carry next week because we

1902
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,880
want attention.
It might do it if I edit this

1903
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,360
podcast for you and do a next
one.

1904
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:29,080
Oh yeah, he does do something I
suppose.

1905
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:29,960
Bye bye.