Ep 71: What Makes An 'Amazing' Teacher?

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follow the podcast, you follow
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Yeah, if you could just review,
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We get reviews on Apple Podcasts
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actually type a review.
They're really nice to read.

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We get lots of messages on
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It helps us a lot.
Well, I'm going to start the

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podcast off this week.
You ready?

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OK, well, hello, everyone.
Well.

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We're going to do a little
Jingle first.

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No, I want to be you.
No, no, We're going to do a

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little Jingle first.
All right?

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Come back.
Come back for me.

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Thank you.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teats Repeat My Name is.
I get, I get one shot, Dylan,

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one shot of this.
What's your name?

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My name is Hayden.
Welcome back.

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Welcome back to another episode
guys.

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It's good to have you.
Hayden, how you doing?

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I'm all right, I'm all right.
I'm.

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I've got another cold you'll be
pleased to know.

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God, no one cares.
No one cares.

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They do.
They don't care.

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People have got a tracker of my
colds.

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Do they?
If you listen, if you listen to

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this podcast for more than eight
weeks, you'll know that I've had

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at least 8 colds.
Oh, has Hayden got a cold?

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Well, I don't know.
It's 5050.

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Flip a coin, love.
I do know I'm sick of it though.

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Oh yeah, you're sick.
You think you're sick of it?

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I'm the one with the cold.
Yeah, you are literally sick of

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it.
What do you mean a cold anyway?

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Like you've got a bit of a
bunged up nose is.

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That a bunged up nose, sore
throat, just groggy, doing that

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thing where I wake up in the
night because I think I can't

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breathe because I'm choking on
my own spit.

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We all do that, right?
Please make sure you know

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everyone does that right Not.
Just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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OK.
Thank you.

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Anyway, moving on because you
never get a cold gently.

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I don't.
I don't.

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You actually don't.
No, no, not at.

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All you work in a school, you
never get ill, Yeah.

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Well, it's because I've worked
in a school for a couple years.

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All that got flushed out my
system, my immune system.

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My immune system went, oh, I'll
build up a barrier to this.

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I guess your immune system went
on.

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Holiday.
Oh yeah.

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Well done.
Yeah.

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Immune system works.
Yeah, all colds are the same.

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I want you to add a few.
You don't anymore.

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They're eight years old, mate,
They've got an excuse.

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You're over 30.
You're going my nauseous.

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You've got to be.
Sound like Homer Simpson instead

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of high voice.
That's what I was going for.

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I wanted to give a shout out.
OK to Sean.

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Hello Sean, you're listening.
I love receiving messages.

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Receive messages, genuine all
the time.

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If you listen to our sponsor at
the start, you know that already

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because you followed us on
Instagram.

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But I love receiving messages.
And there's this one message

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from Sean again out of the blue,
just basically saying, Oh my

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God, I came across your podcast.
I love it.

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Sean's, she had a 21 year career
in the NHS and now she's just

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spent this year retraining to
become a teacher.

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And I just thought my honest
reaction there was cool 21 year

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career in NHS, becoming a
teacher.

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You must be such a lovely
person.

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Well, I went down the route of
you must be so nice, like

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service.
But yeah, she's she said it can

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be stressful during the PGSPGCE,
but the podcast, it reminds her

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why she's doing it, makes it
feel good, gives her a laugh.

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And I thought, oh, well, that's
bloody lovely.

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I can't give you a shout out.
And she went, yeah, sure.

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And her name was something
different.

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And I was like, oh, is that
because you tried?

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Oh, of course, because she said
all the Year 5 students trying

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to find her.
And such a yeah classic.

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Into that world where you change
the name, yeah, and just make it

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completely different.
I know when my friends have

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become teachers, or I did back
in the day, because their name

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would change to something really
obscure.

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Yeah, welcome to world of
teaching where you can't

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actually make friends of anyone
outside of the building because

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no one knows how to contact each
other because it was changing

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with cryptic names.
Or do what we do and open up a

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podcast which is open to the
public and have thousands of

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people.
Oh, we could do that tuning in.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's like one of the other,

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really.
No one can find us though.

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Can we have masks on?
Yeah, yeah.

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And we don't use our real name.
And we don't release the video

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because we don't have to.
No, silly, wouldn't we to think,

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should we release the video as
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Because then people can't really
identify.

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Us, yeah, we.
I'd be mad.

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That'd be mad.
And we, and we definitely would

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never say Dylan Hayden.
No, our names are actual names.

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Our names are actually Hayden
Dylan.

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Yeah, that's really the idiot
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Anyway.
Crazy.

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We're losing it.
Yeah, we are losing it.

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We are losing it.
I want to say a quick thing.

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Oh, listen to this and say a
quick thing.

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Yeah.
Because the The thing is, if I

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don't push this podcast and push
it forward as the leader,

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nothing happens.
So we'll keep going.

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Go leader.
All right, Leader.

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Yeah, apparently I heard
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You might be someone's
favourite.

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I don't know.
We'll come on to that in a

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minute.
We're listening to this on

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Monday, which means one of two
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Football has either come home or
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Yeah, because the final has
already happened, of course.

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Yeah.
So last night.

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Let's do 2.
Let's do 2.

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Takes.
Ready.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Get in there.

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Come on, Spain.
I love football.

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We're not.
Who I I actually hate doing

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anything football with you,
honest to God.

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Oh, oh, I I hate football.
Isn't football ridiculous?

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They all just die to the floor
so easily and and they're so

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pansies and I hate I'm not
interested.

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Oh, tournament.
Oh, I love football.

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Me, I watch football.
Hang on, if anyone was watching,

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then if anyone was watching, you
saw a genuine.

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There was a genuine moment
there.

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It doesn't often react a lot on
this, as you can tell, because

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the teachers practise.
There was a genuine moment

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there.
If you just saw Dylan's face,

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he'd probably pause it at the
moment where he really was

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annoyed.
He really was a little bit

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annoyed at that.
He's like, well, I don't.

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Have anyone remembers last last
time where I was going through

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my top tips for the summer time
and Hayden completely trolled me

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every single time?
I couldn't even get a word out

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edgeways.
But I'm going I won't like man.

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But you're so loud, you're my
phone wants you to speak to

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Google.
Yeah, well, Google.

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Hey, Google, can you turn Hayden
off?

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Thank you for doing.
That now?

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Oh man.
So yeah, either we've football's

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come home or it hasn't.
Yeah, I hope it has.

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I have.
Genuinely.

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Jokes aside, genuinely really,
really enjoyed watching it.

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Yeah, good.
I even messaged you saying I

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kind of get why people watch
football now because I got so

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excited by the.
Last, my favourite bit was when

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you messaged me every time my
decision went going.

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Was that really a decision?
Yes.

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I know.
And you never look at your

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phone.
I know.

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You put your phone down, Yeah,
you can just focus.

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Exactly.
But focus on the game trying.

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To show you that, I mean, I'm
trying to connect with you over

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something that I know you love.
That's fine, and you're

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squashing.
It 22 millionaires running

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around the field kicking the
ball, what else could we connect

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about in this country?
It's perfect.

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Yeah, who wants the millionaire?
I don't.

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Know what you're on about.
Other than that, I'm going to

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talk about my week now.
I went out for a nice meal, my

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mates the other.
Day.

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I got invited out.
Actually, it was a little bit

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awkward because Dylan didn't.
I felt a little bit awkward.

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Not when I was there.
It was fine.

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But Dylan's got a very close
knit group of friends that have

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been friends.
You've been friends wherever I'm

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using school.
Yeah.

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And I weaselled my way in, you
know, once or twice in the past.

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He played a bit of football.
I befriended one of your close

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friends.
Made sure you know he.

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Didn't like that but.
Then he moved away.

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Didn't he come back down?
One way he moved away.

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Wonder why it?
Might be you, not me.

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Anyway, I got invited out to
this meal so I felt a little bit

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like oh, it's just that closest
group of friends though, and me.

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So I did feel a little bit
awkward, but everyone was very.

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Nice 2 words colliding.
Don't know how people feel about

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this.
A lot of people have this with

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like work and social life anyway
in general and friends.

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Yeah just like OK well that
those, that's my separate life

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and people are very different
around different sets of people

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as well, aren't they?
Like around my work colleagues,

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I'm obviously very different.
So around my friends do you do?

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That basically because, you
know, I do this because you saw

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it earlier, literally, do you do
that thing where when you,

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depending on who you're speaking
to, you absolutely, completely

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change the way you speak, the
words you use, the accent you

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put on?
Yeah.

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Everyone's got a phone voice.
Yeah.

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You just really have a phone
voice.

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Yeah.
Phone voice, I guess.

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A phone voice.
You wanna hear a phone voice, go

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to episode one of this podcast.
Yeah, that's true.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to
an episode of THCP.

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My name is.
Dylan, I hope you enjoyed the

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skit at the start of this
episode.

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We're now going to do something
serious, but not too serious.

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I'm going to hide.
I'm going to edit out every

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breath in between the words so
that it sounds completely

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perfect.
Now, Hayden, why are teachers

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striking?
Well, actually didn't thank you

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for asking me that question.
It's just that well, and then

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and then we very quickly
descended into our normal.

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I think it took about four
episodes for us to become

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completely unbearable.
I reckon about 10 good, 10 good

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ten.
Yeah, we should go back and

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listen one.
Day, if you're listening to this

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podcast and you have genuinely
listened since day one, can you

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actually get in touch?
And there's no I'd love to have

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any because obviously we've
grown since then.

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We know we've got particularly
for our boots since then people

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come.
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If you're a day oneer, If you're
a day one customer that has no.

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Dennis got a cash prize.
I do.

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Jeremy did the whole thing about
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that was a story and we
genuinely had messed up the

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message going.
I can't wait for the glue stick

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story That wasn't that wasn't a
glue stick.

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I think we lost a lot of
faithful customers over that.

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No, not at all.
Well, not deliver.

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I've got a quick story.
Like the last government?

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Go on topical.
This has just really made me

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laugh and it's to do with Curry.
OK really random link here.

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We're in school and we were
doing shapes.

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Link to the story I never
finished to carry.

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On Come on, what's the end of
your?

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Story nutshell went out for went
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and it was great.
I'll leave it there.

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OK, that's the end of it.
But there was more.

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So I was, I was teaching, I was
teaching shape to my year four

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class and we were doing polygons
and we were just basically

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learning the definition of a
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And something again, like when I
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you know, I kind of know that
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I just said, oh, it's a shape.
And since then, obviously you

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get to know a lot more because
you're delivering the curriculum

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and you need to teach the
children what a Polygon is.

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What's a Polygon, Dylan?
Polygon is a 2D closed shape

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made-up of straight sides.
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And so the point being that a
circle isn't actually a Polygon

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because it's a curved edge.
And I had kids ask me really

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cool questions.
Like I loved it because when you

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really specific about
definitions, kids kind of take

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it on their own.
And there's really nice

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discussion that year four child
had with me about whether a

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circle has no sides or infinite
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And I was like, that's such a
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technically a circle, you could
say it doesn't have any sides

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because it's just made-up of an
infinite amount of dots the same

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distance away from a centre
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And it was like, it was like it
makes it, it makes a curved

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edge.
Or you could argue it has

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infinite number of sides that
are so infinitely small that you

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can't even see where the angles
are and it just turns into

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occur.
And so we ended up having this

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chat, this kid and it was really
cool.

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So these are the, these are the
two levels because we had that

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chat going on.
And then we kind of just did a

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little bit of a recap where we
just went onto this blank slide

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that I built in halfway through
just to kind of shock them a

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little bit and be like, ah, so
what's a Polygon?

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Just to see how much they'd, how
much they could recall.

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And they were talking to their
partners and stuff.

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They were saying what a Polygon
is because you're trying to get

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them to talk as much as
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And then I said, right, Kate,
everyone stop, hands up, what's

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a Polygon?
And I said to this girl shot up

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straight away, really, really
sweet girl.

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And I said, OK, yeah, what's a
Polygon?

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And she went, a papadom is
A-222-D shade.

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Oh, and I'm sorry, I'm starting
to laugh already.

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And I was like, a what?
And she went, did I say papadom?

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And I was like, yes, you said
papadom.

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And she went, isn't that
something you eat?

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And I was like, yes, it's
something you eat.

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So for the rest of the lesson,
we all call polygons papadoms.

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I love that, but don't remember
that.

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That is what we're going to talk
about later, about what makes

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good, what makes a good tea.
They will like that because they

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will remember that.
Now I find a lot of kids with

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polygons, they're, sorry,
poppadoms or with real polygons,

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not problems.
They confuse me with the word

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regular.
Do you ever know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Quite often.

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Just think it means like a
normal looking shape.

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Yeah, yeah.
And they say normal a lot

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instead of regular and they
don't, you know, you're just

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introducing their definitions at
this point and you're just

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trying to make sure they're
being really specific with their

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mass vocab.
You know, I think we should do

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in the future, by the way, an
episode on on mass vocab and

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stuff.
I just love it.

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I just, you know, we get, we're
very laid back on this show.

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We kind of just talk about
steams and have a champ thing,

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but we know we are passionate
about.

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It do you remember that?
And we'll finish this after

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this, but do you remember when
we were very fresh into teaching

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and obviously we've always loved
maths, but we were super into

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it.
And I don't know if you were

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with me actually, but when it
was like challenging the idea of

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kids thinking that an upside
down triangle isn't really an

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upside down triangle, it's just
that they've not been exposed.

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To There's no such thing as an
upside.

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Down it's just a triangle.
And ever since then, I've always

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thought, yeah, God, I'm really
conscious of how I show kids

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shapes and making sure it's not
just always the exact same

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Pentagon that has that flat side
on the bottom.

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And it's just I always think.
Of that now the number one thing

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I always, I love teaching kids
now in terms of shape is I love

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teaching them that a square is a
rectangle.

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A square is just a type of
rectangle.

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And this idea that these
definitions for, especially

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quadrilaterals, they overlap so
much, a square, it is a

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rectangle.
But a rectangle is not always a

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square.
Yeah.

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And this idea that a rectangle
is a parallelogram.

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Yeah.
And a square is a parallelogram.

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So if you draw a square, you've
actually drawn a parallelogram,

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a rectangle, and a square.
There's just varying definitions

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that overlap.
I always lose mine when I say

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There is also a type of
parallelogram that is just

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called a parallelogram though.
Like we just call it a

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parallelogram.
Do you know what I mean?

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What do you mean by that?
As in so very specifically the

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one.
Yeah.

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But that the slanted rectangle,
the name for that is just

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parallelogram.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But.

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And that's because it doesn't
fit rectangle or square

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definitions.
Yeah, yeah.

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But that's that's very much like
a normal triangle.

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It's like that isn't just about.
That's a parallelogram as much

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as a square as a.
Parallelogram I know.

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The definition is simply just
two pairs of parallel but.

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That's the one.
You know, when kids see when the

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word parallelogram is used and
drawn, it's typically that

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classic one that looks like a
rectangle of us being in the

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same way that it's classic
Octagon, a classic pen.

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Exactly.
But it is just as much of A

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parallelogram as the other ones.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So it's always like what?

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Yeah, I find that so
interesting.

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And, and that my one of my
favourite things we did in year

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four, because that's when they
learn about Quadra really is

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this tick box basically where
across the top you'd have

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parallelogram rectangle, square,
maybe like rhombus and kite or

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something like that.
And you'd you'd give them a

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shape and they ticked as many
boxes as it fits.

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And that that process of just
you can have more than one tick.

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And then looking at the
definition and saying, well,

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does this fit with this right
here?

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That's a really nice way of
introducing the idea that

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actually it can be classified as
more than one thing.

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Yeah.
And this, this shape you've

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drawn could just be a kite and
nothing else.

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But it could also be if you look
at the definitions there.

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Or actually, I can tick free
boxes and I love those.

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And all the way around, when you
challenge kids like, OK, what

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When you say to them, OK, what
makes a square a square?

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And they go, all four sides are
the same.

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Sure.
And I'm like, OK, I'll draw a

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rhombus.
Exactly, Yeah.

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Square, then is it?
And then just really getting to

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think, oh, hang on.
Actually, though there are more

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definitions, there are parts of
this I have to clarify.

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And being really specific with
mass vocab is a huge thing.

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Like honestly, the one thing I
think I've topped my head very

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quickly is just volume.
That's the number one thing I

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think straight away when when I
say to people, actually, we need

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to be really specific with
definitions, really consistent

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and apply them across the
school.

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In the same way, you know, if
you say volume to a child, their

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finger picking up ATV remote,
they think of sound, that's

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that's their that's their real
life experience lower.

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Your volume, that sort of stuff.
How many faces on this shape?

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Like what?
That's a face on my head.

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What do you mean how many faces
on this shape?

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So there's so many different
contexts for words where we use

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them so specifically in maths,
but not at all specifically in

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real life where it's a complete
different thing.

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Well, let's, let's, let's do a
let's do a massive episode at

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some point.
Come back in the future if you

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like maths.
If you don't like maths, just

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don't read the title.
Just.

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Get that one and leave us a
review anyway.

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Love that, Love that, right?
Yeah.

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Anything more about your week
before we move on?

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Not really.
We were doing shape.

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We did a marshmallow lesson and
we're going to talk about this

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in a minute.
I know you did.

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Because I got to eat some.
Of that I know, because you know

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what I did?
Classic me Type B teacher over

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here.
I was in school and my maths

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teacher partner who we plan with
together in parallel groups

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where we did the same maths
essence said all we need

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marshmallows because it was her
planning this week.

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We need marshmallows, we need
spaghetti.

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And I was like I'll do that.
She's my head of year, she's got

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loads of jobs, I'll do that.
Went home that day with you

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dropping you home.
She cars in the garage and I

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bought the marshmallows and the
spaghetti and I was like, I'm so

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organised.
Left it by my front door for the

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next day.
Came to school, forgot them.

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Did you?
Yeah, I.

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Didn't know that.
Left that's why I've got so many

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so when I got to school I had to
then nip to the corner shop get

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some more marshmallows come back
do the lesson and I came home

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and I got 6 bags of marshmallows
at home that.

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Makes so much more sense.
I did actually wonder.

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I think we didn't use.
Many of those, No, no.

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All of the marshmallows I bought
are just at home.

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But yeah, did that classic 3D
lesson.

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Do you know what?
Do you know that really nice

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idea?
Oh, we're just going to do

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exploration.
We're going to build 3D shapes.

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The marshmallows will be the
vertices.

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The spaghetti will be the edges.
We're going to build cubes that

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did an absolute disaster.
Sticky everywhere, Come eat

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them.
All they wanted to do is eat

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them.
They even said to me, they said

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come and eat the marshmallows.
I went no, come on, we're just

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going to be dirty on the floor.
They even said to me then, oh,

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OK, well, I can eat the
spaghetti then.

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No, Yeah.
Why uncooked hard spaghetti?

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What's wrong with you?
I was almost tempted to say if

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you want just to say it's always
someone that would just be like,

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yeah, right, Yeah.
And it was just weird because it

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so happened that a few of them
constantly had to lick their

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fingers clean.
Oh no, I've just got to slit my

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fingers.
I've got marshmallow all over

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it.
I'm just trying to get

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marshmallow having.
A bit of shape yet?

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Oh, it's just don't worry about
it.

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Don't worry about it, Mr. Price.
But yeah, it was a sweet lesson.

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It was nice, but it's one of
those things where it sounds

455
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,360
nicer than actually.
It's not very practical.

456
00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,200
Yeah, nice.
Well, one more thing moving on

457
00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,840
to I guess a more serious thing
we can come back to in a second,

458
00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,800
but I want to talk about SAS.
In fact, let's do a Jingle,

459
00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,000
should we?
And let's talk about SAS

460
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,920
properly.
If you're in your six or just in

461
00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,360
education, you know, it's been
SAS results results day.

462
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,920
We could SAS results day
recently.

463
00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,400
So let's just have a bit of a
reflection.

464
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,240
I.
Think and then we'll talk about

465
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,880
what makes an amazing teacher.
Right, Dylan?

466
00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,600
Hayden is just bad.
Hayden is just gonna do it a

467
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,400
whole 2 minutes honestly.
Say to me, Dylan, can you just

468
00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:32,960
start, please?
I'm.

469
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,640
I'm worried I don't know what to
do.

470
00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,160
You normally just come in
quickly and I actually quite

471
00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,600
like it after all that big chat
earlier I.

472
00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,600
Even said I know you're gonna
take the Mick out of me, aren't

473
00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,480
you?
Because I've done this.

474
00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,880
He's like, no, I won't, No I
won't.

475
00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,560
I can wait to jump in horrible 2
seconds.

476
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,200
Hayden.
Hayden, do you want to talk

477
00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,520
about the Sats mate?
Yeah.

478
00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640
Did you not know how to start
the sentence yourself to talk

479
00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,440
about the Sats?
You want me to do it?

480
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,360
Oh, come on then.
Little our brains are very

481
00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,120
different.
One little Coho Our brains are

482
00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,600
very, very.
Different one then my friend.

483
00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,480
I like to plan Dylan.
Dylan is a very, very like.

484
00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,640
He likes to gaslight himself
into thinking that not planning

485
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,400
is a better way of doing.
Yeah, telling to me it's fine.

486
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,280
I'm telling to you all right.
How many of us can actually say

487
00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,920
hello and welcome?
Oh, just one.

488
00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,160
How many of us can actually just
go let's talk sats?

489
00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,319
I think it's just one out of
two.

490
00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,440
It's.
Insane how many of us spend an

491
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,839
hour making a 2 minute reel when
it would have taken 20 minutes

492
00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,400
if we just planned it.
I don't know, I don't I don't

493
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,040
take it longer.
Check out our new on.

494
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:25,760
Instagram.
Yeah.

495
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,200
Anyway, Hayden, did you want to?
Me, let's talk about let's talk

496
00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,760
about SATS because last week,
yeah, it will be last week for

497
00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,680
listening now, people across the
country received their key stage

498
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,560
to SATS results, which has
resulted in a lot of teachers

499
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,280
across this country not feeling
too good.

500
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,840
Why might that be, Dylan?
I don't know if you tell me this

501
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,320
is your bit.
OK, this is my bit.

502
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,160
Well, OK, in our school wasn't a
big deal made of it.

503
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,040
We got our results.
It was very much like a well

504
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,240
done everybody.
It's a team effort,

505
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,560
collaborative effort.
This is this is the amalgamation

506
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,680
of kids being in key stage one
and two really.

507
00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,120
But this is their results at the
end.

508
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,760
Well done core panel.
It's good thing to say when

509
00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,440
results don't go your way.
It's key Stage 1.

510
00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,880
Kiss age one.
But yeah, yeah, we're Junior

511
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,520
School.
KISS, age one.

512
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,000
KISS age 1.
When they go your way, it's

513
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,680
suddenly.
You're 60 is a bloody good

514
00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,480
mommy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

515
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,840
But you're right.
You're right.

516
00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:11,840
Because it should be.
Yeah.

517
00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,280
And, and every single year
cohorts are so different and

518
00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,560
it's so easy to just get into
your head.

519
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,920
Well, last year's cohort was
this.

520
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,640
So this year's cohort.
And when you look at the

521
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,200
national average, right, it's
literally an average.

522
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,080
And you'd be ridiculous to think
every single year you could

523
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,600
possibly have an above average
cohort no matter what happens.

524
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,600
So people looking at this guy.
Oh, well, the average was, you

525
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,800
know, 72% for maths.
So I'm God, we got sixty.

526
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,960
We didn't, but let's just say So
we've got 62%.

527
00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,120
Yeah.
So you don't know your

528
00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,560
individual circumstances.
You might be in a school where

529
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,680
each child is worth 10% because
you're in a small class.

530
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,280
You might be in a school where
literally that year you had

531
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,440
children who struggle with
maths.

532
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,600
It doesn't matter how much we
teach you.

533
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,760
Yeah.
If you want all the stats,

534
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,200
Sophie B, she's come on this
podcast a few times.

535
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,360
Sophie Bartlett, she's
wonderful.

536
00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:52,720
She does lots of work.
She's my best friend.

537
00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,560
She's actually my best friend,
but she is deemed as the what

538
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,960
you say does in her phone.
What am I saying?

539
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,080
Yeah, I'm thinking I'm saved as
my actual best.

540
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,000
Yeah, my actual best friend.
My actual best friend.

541
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:02,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And.

542
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,040
What you saved as in her phone?
That Who wants to be millionaire

543
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,400
guy who?
Wants to be millionaire guy,

544
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,320
yeah, so shows said something
doesn't.

545
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,920
It that was just my way of
saying that we're saved in our

546
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,160
phone.
You know, Sophie B Yeah, SAT

547
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,400
expert, SAT expert, SAT
specialist.

548
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,760
That's that's why I got an
e-mail from a random company.

549
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,400
It wasn't random.
It was LBQLBQ was saying Sophie,

550
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,960
our SAT expert, which made her
cringe.

551
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,360
But no, she's great.
She's pretty some really good

552
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:24,680
stats out there, so do do check
them out.

553
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,960
Because she's an expert.
She's an.

554
00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,240
She's an expert and my best
friend, if you're listening,

555
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,760
Sophie, best friends for life.
What was I saying anyway?

556
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,400
So yeah, our school, our school
I think approached it correctly.

557
00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,040
Obviously we care about the Sats
because it is a measure of the

558
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,640
school really, you know, that is
that is basically the point of

559
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,800
the Sats.
It's not really for the kids, is

560
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,120
it?
Come on.

561
00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,760
They get tested again in the
start of secondary anyway.

562
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,560
But I know just from being
online and being in teacher

563
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,080
groups and speaking to teachers
that I know that it is not the

564
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,240
same story, not same feeling
everywhere around the country.

565
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,960
I even saw something online
about someone saying that the

566
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,600
head teacher literally hid
themselves away and refused to

567
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,720
release the SAT results to the
teachers and said you'll find

568
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,880
out at the end of the year on
the reports.

569
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,800
And it's like, still, I've seen
loads of stories like that where

570
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,080
I'm like, really like you're
just make, you're making your

571
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,360
teachers feel like crap
basically for the results and

572
00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:14,320
taking it, making it so
personal.

573
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,800
And I've seen tonnes of this
over the.

574
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,080
Last week, well the worst, even
worse than that, I've seen

575
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600
people who absolutely share it
straight away and you know when

576
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,880
SLT absolutely take it out on
the staff if they haven't set of

577
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,440
results and just outright
saying, Oh my gosh, this is an

578
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,000
awful set of results and
treating the staff badly as a

579
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,600
result because you've done
badly.

580
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,720
Look, you are responsible for
these results.

581
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,720
And what I will just say to
anyone out there experiencing

582
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,920
that is that firstly, I'm sorry
that you're experiencing that.

583
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,480
And secondly, if you're SLT
putting that on your staff, you

584
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,880
are absolutely just as much to
blame, if not more.

585
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,240
Because if you have spent the
whole year doing observations,

586
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,800
doing learning walks in the way
you should, if there was

587
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,240
actually a problem with the
learning and the teaching, it

588
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,120
should have been flagged up
earlier by you.

589
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,440
Because that's literally your
job.

590
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,920
And if there wasn't, then maybe
it wasn't their fault.

591
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,240
Maybe that cohort just
performed?

592
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320
Less one thing I hate, and I
know you hate this and we've

593
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,480
kind of alluded to this.
Well, I absolutely hate it and

594
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,680
it's totally, totally pointless
and irrelevant.

595
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,880
Every situation is comparing 1
cohort with the last cohort of

596
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,880
children.
If you got really good data last

597
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,080
year and you didn't get as good
data this year, it is nothing,

598
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,680
nothing to do with this process.
It's so stupid to do that.

599
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,600
Every cohort of children is
different to me.

600
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,840
If, if, if, if I was a manager
and I actually wanted to do my

601
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320
job, which ultimately does, you
know, you do have to actually

602
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,000
check in and see just doing
doing their jobs properly.

603
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,680
There's got to be some
accountability, Absolutely.

604
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,680
And that's not.
But realistically, the only

605
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,840
thing that should matter is is
the progress of the children, as

606
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360
in through their actual journey
of comparing them to other

607
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,120
children.
And most schools do use that as

608
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:40,840
the wrong.
Exactly.

609
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,560
But that's all you know, that's
all it should be.

610
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,600
So I really, really do hate the
whole comparing ourselves to

611
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,720
national standards, comparing
ourselves to previous cohorts,

612
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,320
other schools.
That's a classic one.

613
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,360
All neighbouring school got
better stats.

614
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,920
Is that OK?
Yeah, OK.

615
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,560
Did they?
It's weird, isn't it, when you

616
00:21:54,560 --> 00:22:00,040
get SAT results and it's like
reading 65%, maths 68%, science

617
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,720
80%, writing 90%.
Isn't it really weird when the

618
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,640
writing percentage is about 1520
percentage points up?

619
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,600
Because I've always found if
kids can't read, they really can

620
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,520
write.
Definitely.

621
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,920
Yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah.

622
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,080
For anyone who doesn't know, can
you explain quickly how those?

623
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,040
I would do, yeah.
So obviously the actual SAT

624
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,360
exams are externally marked and
assessed.

625
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,640
And that's just in reading.
In in reading for English, Yeah,

626
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,440
and math and GPS in English as
well.

627
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,200
Whereas the writing is teacher
assessed so that, you know what

628
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,280
we're alluding.
And science.

629
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,560
So what we're alluding to here
is the idea that you, you know,

630
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,760
schools could, if they wanted
to, bodge their results a little

631
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,520
bit in.
Reading science, I would never

632
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,040
if that was yeah, that would
never.

633
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,480
Have known at school to do that.
No, no.

634
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,120
No, no, no, no, no.
For any context, absolutely not.

635
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:44,920
Where we work, no.
No, no, no, we're not.

636
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,080
We do know a lot of people in
teaching now, yeah.

637
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,360
But it does happen.
It does happen.

638
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:50,640
It happens.
It happens around here.

639
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,080
It happens.
And it's just laughable.

640
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,800
It's laughable.
You see in the piece of paper,

641
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,080
65% got reading, 85% got
writing.

642
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,040
It's like that's a 20% mark.
There are 20% of kids there

643
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,480
which can't read at their
expected level, but they can

644
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,120
write, which we know is an
extremely high.

645
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,840
Level writing is consistently
our generally our lowest of the

646
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080
era because it's the most
ridiculously hard one to

647
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,240
achieve.
That's the way it should be.

648
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,440
Yeah, absolutely.
So I don't know.

649
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,320
What?
So yeah, if you see those

650
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,000
results.
Yeah, take a pinch of salt.

651
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,080
Have a wobble, Don't let them
have one up on you.

652
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,320
Probably made it up.
Yeah, but yeah, you're exactly

653
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,360
right.
Heading down the head, I've seen

654
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:28,000
a lot of worried people and it's
bad management.

655
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,080
To me, it really is.
Because like I said, anything

656
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,840
that's actually a problem with
teaching and learning should

657
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,880
have been flagged that way
before.

658
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,880
Yeah, exactly.
So if there is a problem with

659
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800
that, then it would have already
been an issue should have been

660
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,440
already been intervened with if
as a SLT you're using now as the

661
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,520
time to kind of reflect on that
teaching.

662
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,320
As a surprise.
Teaching was bad because the

663
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,520
results were bad.
What?

664
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:49,760
Yeah.
What?

665
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800
You just eight months.
You've even not looked.

666
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,960
Or you've looked and thought it
was fine.

667
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,880
So you were wrong and.
There's nothing wrong with that.

668
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,520
There's nothing wrong with
actually just admitting,

669
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,440
admitting now, like on
reflection, oh, actually maybe

670
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,600
that was wrong, but don't, don't
put it on the staff as if it was

671
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,360
all their fault.
Yeah.

672
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,440
It's like if you're the SLT,
it's your job to manage and and

673
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,000
you didn't spot these things
earlier on, then you just need

674
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,480
to take it on the chin and be
like, oh, maybe that approach

675
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,120
didn't work, guys, this didn't
work.

676
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,520
Next year, like we're going to
try something.

677
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,560
Different, yeah.
Be supportive and move on in

678
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,760
that.
It's a collaborative effort.

679
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Definitely.
Well, hey, I'm I'm glad you

680
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,480
introduced this section so well.
Thank you.

681
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,600
You got it off your chest now if
you wanted to do.

682
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,360
That yeah, pretty much.
I just feel sorry for people.

683
00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,240
So if you feel a bit rubbish.
Just I'm sorry and get in touch

684
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,920
and if you feel bad, I know it
helps.

685
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,520
Leaving us a 5 star review that
really does help.

686
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,960
It really does.
Because guys, we've got SLT down

687
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800
our back.
Oh, not going to have five star

688
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,600
reviews.
So if you could just whack as a

689
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,000
5 star review or any platform,
we'd be really grateful.

690
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,240
That is good.
You're getting good at this.

691
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,480
No, no, you.
Are two or three Times Now in

692
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,960
the podcast I reckon we can fit
one more in yeah OK should we

693
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,200
have a chat now about what
makes.

694
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,920
Yeah, right after you've left us
a 5 star review done.

695
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,120
It all right Hayden I wanted to
chat about what makes an amazing

696
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,960
teacher because once the half.
I'm just you LED this bit.

697
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,040
I'm grateful.
OK, very good.

698
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,400
Thank you.
So I was thinking, I was looking

699
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,680
back actually at our old
episodes and episodes that are

700
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,160
banned and got lots of plays and
people have found useful.

701
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,440
And also ones where I've had
people messages saying, Oh my

702
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,720
gosh, that was so good.
One of the most recent ones we

703
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720
did was top 8 tips for new
teachers, Things We wish we knew

704
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,240
earlier.
Yep, loads of messages about

705
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,000
that saying how helpful it was.
People in their PGCE year who

706
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,080
were looking for a podcast to
help, they found that really

707
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080
useful.
And I thought, OK, cool, well, a

708
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,600
lot of the health podcasts and
you know, how to get better at

709
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840
your profession and they're the
ones that seem to do well for

710
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,160
us.
So I thought, OK, well, what

711
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,760
let's think about then let's
let's literally cut down to the

712
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200
chase because we're teachers, We
want to be really good teachers.

713
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,840
That's obviously why we're doing
it.

714
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,200
Everyone wants to be a good
teacher.

715
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,440
And I just thought, OK, well,
what makes not even just a good

716
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,400
teacher, what makes an amazing
teacher?

717
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,440
And I, I want to harp back to
when we were at school because I

718
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,800
know you and I have talked a
million times about how we had a

719
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,800
really positive time at school.
We liked.

720
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:54,000
Think back just to teachers that
you remember, even just once you

721
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,440
remember now something.
Comes to mind straight away.

722
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,640
What?
Yeah, yeah.

723
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,600
So for you thinking of what was
an amazing teacher just for your

724
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,000
experience as a child.
Yeah.

725
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,160
Taking away all the fact you're
a teacher now and you know what

726
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,240
has to go into it.
Yeah, yeah.

727
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280
What was that person and and who
were they and and why were they

728
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,640
amazing?
First of all, I just want to say

729
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,840
I had a great string of
teachers.

730
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,080
I was really, really fortunate.
Lovely, lovely, lovely teachers,

731
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,920
but the one that jumps out the
most.

732
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,920
Can I name?
Can I name?

733
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,480
People name them absolutely.
So she had two names.

734
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,560
She got married, I had twice
year three and then.

735
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Two names.
She was an international spy.

736
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,120
Yeah, wasn't remotely.
Hello, I'm Guy Incognito.

737
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,560
Was wow I love you.
She was Miss Dunthorne to me in

738
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,560
year 3 and then got married and
came back as Mrs Plankton for

739
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,640
year four.
Mrs Plankton.

740
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,480
Sorry, what you said Plankton
1-12 hundred.

741
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,200
I'm so sorry.
Taking the Mick out of her name.

742
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,960
No, not at all.
I'm sorry, Mrs Plankton, My

743
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,400
disrespect, you said, Miss
Plankton.

744
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,400
Yeah, Mrs Plankton.
Oh, Miss Plankton, isn't it?

745
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,320
No.
Missus Plankton.

746
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,200
Missus Plankton.
Yeah, you're.

747
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,680
Which one is it?
I forgot name, maybe doubt it.

748
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,320
Plankton.
Right.

749
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,880
I thought you said plankton.
Plankton.

750
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,360
And then you started saying
plankton.

751
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Oh gosh.
Did you manage to get the crusty

752
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,240
crusty crown recipe?
Yes, we did.

753
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Of course, the grabs.
SpongeBob.

754
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,120
OK, Anyway, so she was
absolutely, absolutely amazing.

755
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,120
And it's the teacher that comes
to mind when I think of

756
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,000
favourite teacher.
Sure, back in the day at primary

757
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,280
school, you know, early
memories.

758
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,400
Yeah, why did?
This and you can ask that and

759
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,360
I'm like, I don't, I don't think
I can just I don't want to give

760
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,640
out like a really simplistic
answer.

761
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,080
No, it's fine.
But you might remember

762
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,240
everything.
You're 30 odd now.

763
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,360
I don't remember anything
anyway.

764
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,800
Yeah, I know.
So what?

765
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,360
What was it was, you know,
viable, man.

766
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:23,360
Yeah.
It's going to sound really

767
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,200
corny, but it is.
It is a feel.

768
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,200
It is like she made me feel good
and I felt clever and I felt

769
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,840
respected and she was nice and
fair.

770
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,720
It was those things like I don't
really like that sounds

771
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,880
horrible.
I don't really remember any of

772
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,400
her lessons.
Do you remember that she managed

773
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,920
to do a plenary every single day
at the end of a lesson?

774
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,640
No.
Do you remember?

775
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,480
Oh, I don't think she wrote down
a Lesson plan.

776
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Actually, do you remember the
wall really clearly wrote down

777
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,800
and you had to underline it The
date and funny.

778
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Enough.
I don't remember anything I ever

779
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,920
learned it all just, you know,
bit stayed there.

780
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,640
But what I do remember is how I
was treated.

781
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,120
Yeah, and how I was made to feel
about myself, my self esteem,

782
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,360
that's what really went up.
I had quite low self esteem I'd

783
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,480
say as a kid and my self esteem
definitely improved when I was

784
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,000
in that last.
Night.

785
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,040
And we've been on that long road
to knocking that down either.

786
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,120
In this podcast, since I've
known you, but I but I really

787
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,200
enjoyed learning with her.
I think that's probably the the

788
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,120
be all end of all.
It was the enjoyment that I

789
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,680
actually had by being in school.
And was that primary school

790
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,240
teacher you said?
Primary school, Yeah, Year three

791
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,200
and year 4.
I, I find with primary school

792
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,800
and secondary school, when I
think back to my favourite

793
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,600
teachers, primary school is, is
way more of a vibe.

794
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,480
And maybe just because I'm kind
of losing that memories of being

795
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,480
so young, but I, I just remember
in primary school, the reason I

796
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,840
loved primary school was exactly
the same as what you said.

797
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,800
I felt safe, I felt happy.
I felt like the teachers wanted

798
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,640
me to do well.
I felt like they were nice to

799
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,880
me.
Yeah, I felt like they were

800
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,400
fair.
And all of these things I don't

801
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280
actually physically remember.
Sat there thinking, wow, what a

802
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,320
fantastic route of teaching
maths to me.

803
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,880
You have or Whoa, these stats
about Anne Boleyn have really

804
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840
stuck in my head.
I remember just thinking in

805
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,040
this, in this environment where
I have to spend every day, I did

806
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,160
feel loved.
I did feel appreciated and I

807
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,680
felt safe.
And that was the number one.

808
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Thing and I remember the little
quirks like getting to move

809
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080
around, just sitting somewhere
else, stupid little things like

810
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,120
that.
I remember thinking, this is

811
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,040
great.
I get to do a bit of I get to do

812
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,000
some colouring because I really
want to colour in this thing

813
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,560
rather than I've done, I've done
the writing.

814
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,040
I remember those little bits
like that.

815
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,040
You enjoy them a lot more than
what you, I guess you imagined

816
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
as a teacher right now.
I didn't sit there and going.

817
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,920
I'm so pleased that my teacher
kept us in rows today so that we

818
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000
had a more efficient way of
looking at the board and like

819
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,000
and learning with each other.
It's like you don't value that

820
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,960
as a kid.
Even if you value it as a

821
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,840
teacher, you're thinking well
they will learn better in this.

822
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,040
I didn't.
I wanted to sit with my mates

823
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,480
and like do some learning that
way.

824
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,920
I don't know.
Yeah, no, I completely agree.

825
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,240
And then when I think about
secondary school, I think a lot

826
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,200
more.
I vividly remember a bit more

827
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360
and I think a lot more about how
they acted personally.

828
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,560
Like one of my favourite
teachers at secondary school was

829
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Mrs Evans, and she was literally
a cover supply teacher and she

830
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,200
would teach me geography one
week and she might be teaching

831
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920
me citizenship the next week.
Yeah, maybe even French another

832
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,680
time.
Super strict.

833
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Super strict, super strict, but
so fair and so nice and lovely.

834
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,360
And I think we'll talk about
this, touching this a bit later

835
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200
on about how you can, you can
absolutely be strict and be an

836
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,160
amazing teacher.
And I remember her, I mean, when

837
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,160
I had her, I was like, cool, I
know the boundaries.

838
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,440
I know what I've got to do and
I'm going to do them.

839
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,000
And if someone else doesn't,
well, that's our own fault.

840
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,040
And she's going to make sure
it's fair.

841
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720
I struggled with her as someone
who wanted to break the.

842
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,520
Boundary and be.
Stupid all the time.

843
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680
So it's like it makes sense,
like you're obviously better

844
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,480
behaved.
Exactly.

845
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,800
And, and, but you might have
needed that because I've heard

846
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,920
stories from you in secondary
school when you were just an

847
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960
absolute knob, basically, and it
was like you needed someone just

848
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,680
to be like, no, actually no.
You can't just stand on the

849
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,440
table and shout, you got to do
something else.

850
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,240
And I had Mrs Snyder, Mr Pugh,
they sparked my love for

851
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,560
history.
Miss Van Gelder in maths, I

852
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
loved the maths and she loved
the maths and that kind of, I

853
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,960
just flew off.
I had her every single year all

854
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960
the way through school, just
happened to have her and those

855
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,800
like relationships that helped
me foster a love for certain

856
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,760
subjects.
But thinking back to primary

857
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,880
school then, because obviously
we're, we're fundamentally for

858
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
primary school and I know it
applies to higher education and

859
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,880
which by the way, we had in a
review recently on Apple

860
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,800
podcast, which is really useful
if anyone wants to do that.

861
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,520
So it's about how she's in
higher Ed.

862
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,600
That's very useful.
So going back to that kind of

863
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,160
that idea of a vibe as a, as a
person going through school, I

864
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,280
think it's really important that
we, we make sure children feel

865
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,160
safe and enjoy school.
And that's number one.

866
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,160
And if we're thinking about how
to be an amazing teacher, that

867
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320
is honestly right up there in a
pedestal with them actually

868
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,280
learning things.
I want them to learn things.

869
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,160
I want them to feel safe and I
want them to be happy.

870
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,080
And I would argue they're the
three things that actually they

871
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,800
drive every single thing I do
everyday.

872
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,280
OK, so thinking about who your
favourite teacher was and

873
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,760
thinking about my favourite
teachers, I suppose the the next

874
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,440
thing to talk about would be as
a teacher, have you taken

875
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,960
inspiration from them?
Do they inspire how you teach

876
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,840
yourself?
Or is it simply just?

877
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Well, that was nice, but I'm
going to do my own way, 100.

878
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Percent absolutely, definitely
inspired the way I teach because

879
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400
I do, I do, whether even if it's
subliminal or not, I definitely

880
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,280
think about how did why did I
like school?

881
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,920
What was it that made me like
school?

882
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,080
And a lot of it was that
enjoyment.

883
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480
So I definitely definitely take
inspiration from those people

884
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,400
that I actually enjoyed learning
from and equally inspiration for

885
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,920
the people I didn't enjoy
learning from because I think,

886
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,880
right, I don't want to do that
because kids like me, I didn't,

887
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680
I didn't enjoy that.
And I actually didn't learn much

888
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,760
from certain teachers because of
that teaching style or whatever

889
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,280
it was.
So yeah, it definitely hadn't

890
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,240
had a massive impact.
But the my, my, I guess my

891
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,160
question is that I don't know
the answer to really is, do you

892
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,720
think the system as it currently
is right now, whatever the

893
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,720
system is, I'm just talking
about everything involved in

894
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,320
how, how you can be a teacher
right now.

895
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Do you think it allows you to be
like that teacher that you

896
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,640
remember?
Do you think it's changed?

897
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880
Are we just have we do we just
have roast into classes because

898
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120
we weren't teachers back then.
We were just on the receiving

899
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,440
end.
Do you think essentially, sorry

900
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,200
I'm mumbling on here, but do you
think the current system, it

901
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,440
allows you to be the teacher
that you really, really, really

902
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,320
want to be?
Yeah, I think so, because I'm

903
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
more experienced now.
I know what the end goal is.

904
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,760
I think you need to know what
the end goal is.

905
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,560
You need to know what the end
goal is in terms of where the

906
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,560
children need to get to.
And I think in the first one,

907
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,640
2-3 years of my career, I was
very scared about being judged,

908
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,280
very scared about people picking
me up and stuff.

909
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,080
And because that's not the way
we do it here.

910
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,640
But now I feel way more
confident in saying, okay, well

911
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,200
it's the way I do it.
And I know children are gonna

912
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,040
make progress and be happy.
So maybe we can go through now

913
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
what actually makes an amazing
teacher and then trying to think

914
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,800
about how it fits in the
discussion.

915
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
So in terms of if you were
talking to someone who's just

916
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200
finished their training or is
maybe thinking about getting to

917
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,800
teaching or even a couple of
years in the job, and they just

918
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,200
think, do you know what?
I don't feel like I'm quite

919
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120
there.
I feel like I'm quite good.

920
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720
I want to be an amazing teacher.
I want to be someone who

921
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240
inspires kids.
What would you say to them?

922
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Is your top advice to to being
an amazing teacher?

923
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Because we've been told multiple
times by parents you're you're

924
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,480
an amazing teacher.
And I know it's not nice looking

925
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240
at yourself sometimes, but like
how good I am.

926
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,120
But you're a good teacher.
So what?

927
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,360
What is it that makes a good
teacher?

928
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,880
What would you give someone as
advice or wants to?

929
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Be sure.
Well, reflecting on exactly that

930
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,120
point, then, if I'm thinking,
why have parents said that to me

931
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,640
in the past, I think it is 100%
of the time because I have made

932
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,000
a really nice relationship with
that kid.

933
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,200
I actually don't think it's ever
really to do with the academics.

934
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,800
I think that kind of comes as a
result.

935
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,159
But normally when teach, when
parents come up to me and say

936
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,159
nice things, it's because that
kid really, really likes being

937
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,080
in my class.
And that's it.

938
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,199
That, I mean, we've said this
before, but that to me is the

939
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,760
number one thing to, to work
towards, to be a really good

940
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,400
teacher.
Because I think, I think

941
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,400
everything else kind of stems
from it.

942
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,280
If you, if you've got that kid
what like literally basically

943
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,159
just loving being in your room
and will just listen to

944
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,560
everything you say because they
respect you so much, they just

945
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,120
want to be in your classroom.
I think the rest of it is a lot

946
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,560
easier to achieve.
Then it's like, OK, now I can

947
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,440
use certain strategies to get
them to learn certain things.

948
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,560
But that alone, do you think
that makes you a good teacher?

949
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,440
Not alone, but I think it I
think it's the biggest portion.

950
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,639
Because I would say I can think
of a handful of people who fits

951
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,560
that bill.
Incredibly popular, well liked,

952
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,920
not the best teacher I've ever
seen.

953
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,240
Sure.
And and and the the reason is

954
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,120
literally.
You can have that relationship

955
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,080
all you want, but if you're not
hitting the curriculum or

956
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000
teaching well or having a solid
subject, knowledge of what

957
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,360
you're doing or a good pedagogy,
you can be the most liked person

958
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,480
in the world.
But the the kids aren't going to

959
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,160
learn much.
You can get Mr Beast in front of

960
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,920
the kids, OK?
They would be smitten.

961
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,360
They would love him.
Oh, my God, Mr Beast is my

962
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,440
teacher.
Mum, Mum, Mr Beast is the best

963
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,640
teacher ever.
Oh, he loves you.

964
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:20,960
What a brilliant teacher you
are.

965
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,520
Oh, wait, you didn't actually
know how to teach them this

966
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,760
spelling rule.
So he doesn't have to.

967
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,240
Spelling rule.
Oh, actually, this progression

968
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,240
in maths made no sense.
So we didn't get the most out of

969
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,800
their maths.
Parents won't know that.

970
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,840
Kids won't know that.
They'll just be heaping praise

971
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,920
on you.
So what?

972
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,800
You know, I want to be an
amazing teacher.

973
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000
That that this is what I'm
saying.

974
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Because are you an amazing
teacher if you're just well

975
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,080
liked?
I don't think so.

976
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,240
So what else do you need?
What else do you need to come

977
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,400
along?
With that, well then, OK, this

978
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,440
is where you can flip it
completely then Away from both.

979
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Yeah.
What to be a good you need to

980
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960
get good results then, don't
you?

981
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,080
Because I think what you're
saying is I reckon I could give

982
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,360
you loads of wishy washy things,
but if at the end of it all, I

983
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,520
didn't, I didn't act, the kids
didn't learn stuff.

984
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,680
Well, I think ultimately you
would you could argue, well,

985
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,120
you're not a good this is.
What I'm trying to get to you,

986
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,680
because if someone comes up to
you and said, how can I be an

987
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,280
amazing teacher, I think it
would be almost irresponsible to

988
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,760
leave out the fact kids need to
learn lots.

989
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120
That's that that is obviously
part of being a really good

990
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,320
teacher.
If you want to be a really good

991
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880
entertainer, if you want to be a
well liked person, that that

992
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,320
advice is sound.
But I think to be a good

993
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,880
teacher, you need what you've
just said, but you're going to

994
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840
need some other stuff too,
because it I feel like I can be

995
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,720
well liked in my class.
I know my kids enjoy themselves.

996
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,920
I've worked for the lunch hall
and I've got my old classes chat

997
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,840
Mr Prize.
Yeah, no, you're right.

998
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,080
You're.
Right.

999
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560
But so so does it make me a good
teacher on its own?

1000
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,840
No.
Do you know why I feel like I'm

1001
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,080
a good teacher?
Because they learn lots.

1002
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,280
As well, I think it's the
catalyst.

1003
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,840
Let's let's frame it as that.
I think being that approachable,

1004
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
friendly person, someone that
kids want to be around like

1005
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,400
you've got you've got a
personality that just attracts

1006
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,200
people and they just want to be
around you and listen to you.

1007
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,360
I think that is like the
catalyst and now you need the

1008
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,520
skills, right.
You need the skill set.

1009
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,600
For me, the next thing I think
will probably be good pedagogy.

1010
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200
So for anyone listening that
doesn't, isn't in this world,

1011
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,200
pedagogy is basically just
understanding of like teaching

1012
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,720
practise.
So which embodies a lot of a lot

1013
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,920
of child psychology comes into
teaching pedagogy.

1014
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,840
So I think a really good
understanding is all the stuff

1015
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,440
you don't at university, to be
honest with you.

1016
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,840
And you do pick up more
afterwards.

1017
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,560
Really good understanding of how
brains work, how kids brains

1018
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,560
work, how people learn and
remember things, you know, ways

1019
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,680
to navigate the brain to to help
people memorise stuff.

1020
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,400
All of those things about
teaching.

1021
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,160
I think you need to have a good
understanding of that as well.

1022
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Yeah, like you said, you are
right.

1023
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Because if you, you can be as
friendly as you want, but if you

1024
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,240
don't know how to how to deliver
something in a way that's

1025
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,080
effective and children will
remember it and you're not

1026
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,400
really teaching them anything
because they're not they're not

1027
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,400
picking it up.
Yeah.

1028
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,880
So if if you.
Struggle with that in terms of

1029
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,080
being a friendly, outgoing,
bubbly, you know, if you

1030
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,800
struggle building those natural
bonds with children, obviously,

1031
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,520
you know, working at that would
be useful.

1032
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,760
Yeah, but can you still be an
amazing teacher?

1033
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,480
I think you can be a.
Very, very, very good teacher.

1034
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Still, it's a weird one is I
don't, I don't want to say I

1035
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,000
don't want to be too wishy washy
here and say that like, hey, all

1036
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640
of these things are great, but
also you can have none of them

1037
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
and you'll still be amazing.
Yeah, I mean, there's lots, but

1038
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,600
what I'm getting.
At is, I think there are lots of

1039
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,240
ways to be an amazing teacher,
sure.

1040
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,720
And and I suppose I know people
again who struggle with building

1041
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,120
bonds for children like that in
the same way, which comes

1042
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,000
naturally to me.
But I think there are much

1043
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,720
better teacher in other ways
because I think a lot of a lot

1044
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,920
of children out there react and
respect what I talked about

1045
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,120
earlier, A strict teacher very
much down the line of no, no,

1046
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,640
no, no, we're doing this, we're
doing this.

1047
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,160
You know what you're going to
expect every day.

1048
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,240
Whereas I know for a fact, you
know, you walk into my

1049
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,040
classroom, we might spend 4
minutes talking about the

1050
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,480
football yesterday, you know,
and, and there are some children

1051
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,520
I'm sure through that 4 minutes
who sit there thinking, Oh my

1052
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,040
God, I could be on with my work
right now.

1053
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,200
You know, I could I know exactly
what I've got to do when I go

1054
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,520
and do my lesson with someone
else.

1055
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,360
That person might not have that
amazing rapport and the

1056
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
unbelievable over the top and
there might be people listening

1057
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,800
to this right now and just say
I'm just not like that.

1058
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,600
I just don't have that ability
to do it.

1059
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,280
But I still want to be a really
good teacher.

1060
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,040
So what what should they focus
on?

1061
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,520
You know what?
First of all, let's.

1062
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,640
I don't think that's true, which
I don't think.

1063
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520
I don't think anyone doesn't
have that skill set, like not

1064
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,120
complete.
I think sometimes people think

1065
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120
that there's a particular
version of teachers, which is

1066
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,160
the only one where it's like
they're the likeable teacher

1067
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,200
because they because they're
silly and fun in the morning.

1068
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,120
That's not true because you
always gave me a good analogy.

1069
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,080
Then there are some kids who
don't want that.

1070
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,680
Some kids like their teacher
because their teacher is really

1071
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,680
quiet and will come in the
morning.

1072
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,440
They'll just say hello, let's
sit down and get our books out

1073
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,400
because they just want to read a
book.

1074
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,760
So you can build a rapport in
that.

1075
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,280
Relationship.
I want to make it clear, yeah,

1076
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,560
because.
I think it's so easy to go down

1077
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,360
the stereotype of the only
version of this teacher that's

1078
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,480
really likeable and fun and
great is the one that's like

1079
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
super like, yeah, let's put some
news around one in the morning.

1080
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,800
We're going to do this fun
little game.

1081
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,000
Everyone's going to have a chat.
It's going to be super chill.

1082
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,960
This is what I'm trying to get
at.

1083
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,720
Yeah, so.
So.

1084
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,440
Let's break that.
Stereotype a bit, I think.

1085
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,720
I think what's important is that
you're a teacher that kids like

1086
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,880
in general, and not every kid is
going to like you.

1087
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,960
It's impossible.
But you are a teacher who tries

1088
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,960
to accommodate the needs of your
children in terms of like their

1089
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,760
social needs, like you.
You at least try to do something

1090
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,960
that makes it so they want to
come and sit in your room.

1091
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,360
Can you?
Can you be disliked?

1092
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,680
And still be a good teacher for
that person.

1093
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,280
It's harder, I think.
I think it's harder.

1094
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,480
I think you can be a good
teacher.

1095
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,680
I think you can be a good
teacher.

1096
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520
I've I've definitely met
teachers over the years where I

1097
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,400
know, I know from the kids
perspectives, they have a bit

1098
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,200
more of a negative opinion on
them, but the teacher gets good

1099
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,960
results out of that class and
the kids do actually learn.

1100
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,040
But it might be a little bit,
you know, the kid might be

1101
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,120
thinking, Oh, I don't really
want to be here.

1102
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,800
I'd rather be in that, that
class over there.

1103
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,760
So I do think you can do it, but
I'm quite reserved with this

1104
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,360
one.
I, I, maybe I'm a bit harsh, but

1105
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,960
I, I guess because for me like
defining what, what good

1106
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,520
teaching is isn't just about the
results.

1107
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,840
So you're you're you're trying
to make a.

1108
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,440
Distinction here.
I think it's important to say to

1109
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,000
people, you know, exuberance
doesn't mean well liked.

1110
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,800
No.
Like being over the top, being

1111
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,840
charismatic, almost being this
amazing, easy to talk to.

1112
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,480
Wow.
Yeah, we can have a chat about

1113
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
anything.
I think that's important but

1114
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,360
that, you know, there are going
to be more reserved people out

1115
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,840
there who can be amazing
teachers, though.

1116
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,680
Yeah.
But what I'm also trying to.

1117
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Make the same distinction.
Another way is I'm trying to say

1118
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,440
that being an amazing teacher
doesn't also just mean really

1119
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,200
good.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to

1120
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,840
say because I think there are
some strict teachers out there

1121
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,160
who who don't have nice
relationships for their kids.

1122
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,840
They get the best results out of
their class.

1123
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,640
But I wouldn't say they're
amazing as someone else because

1124
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,840
I'd actually say, well, do you
know what though?

1125
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,240
You've missed out on some of the
social needs.

1126
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,240
And to me, being an amazing
teacher is trying to get a bit

1127
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,720
of everything, you know,
obviously good academic results,

1128
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,400
but also the kids want to talk
to you about their their real

1129
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480
life and they want to share
their problems with you.

1130
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,280
Like that to me is like, now
you're an amazing teacher.

1131
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,920
So that I guess that's the
distinction I'm trying to make

1132
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
in my head.
You're saying to me, are you

1133
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960
still an amazing teacher if you
get really good results out of

1134
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640
kids, but you don't fulfil some
a lot of their social needs?

1135
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,960
I'd say no, not really.
I think you're still you're,

1136
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,080
you're fulfilling the role of
the teacher from the academic

1137
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,120
point of view really, really,
really well.

1138
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,600
But in my books, I I put people
on a pedestal who whose kids

1139
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,800
want to want to be in their
class the more and get good

1140
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,760
results like that to me is an
amazing teacher.

1141
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,040
So that's what I guess what I
want to clarify.

1142
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,880
OK, cool.
A big thing when people talk to

1143
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,440
me, especially when they're
early in their career, they're

1144
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,360
very worried about and I think
it's legitimate, I want to know

1145
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,280
where you stand on this.
Again, the context of wanting to

1146
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,640
be really good at their job,
they're very worried about this

1147
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,160
is their subject knowledge.
So there's this, you know, as

1148
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,880
primary school teachers, we
teach all of the subjects, you

1149
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,240
know, whether in year four,
let's say there's someone going

1150
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,840
to year four classroom or year
three, you know, how, how much

1151
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,200
do you need to know to be a good
teacher?

1152
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,600
Because you know, you know,
they're gonna end up in year

1153
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,200
six.
It's very beneficial knowing

1154
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,840
what they need to do in the
future because of that

1155
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,240
progression you're learning.
It's for someone who's worried

1156
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,200
and thinking, OK, again, I want
to be an amazing teacher,

1157
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,320
Hayden, how can I do that?
Where should my subject

1158
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960
knowledge be?
What is the baseline for you,

1159
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,320
where everyone should be and
what should we work towards as

1160
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,600
well?
OK, so.

1161
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,440
Core curriculum knowledge is
like the absolute baseline.

1162
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,040
So maths and English right for
the year group or further?

1163
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,640
I personally think up up.
To the end of your key stage,

1164
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,240
right, Realistically.
So if you're in key stage one,

1165
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,560
you know, I don't think it's,
it's great if you know up to all

1166
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,440
that, up to key stage two, key
stage 3, whatever.

1167
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,520
But I think as long as you have
a, a bit of a macro

1168
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,360
understanding of where, where
you're sub, where those two

1169
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,600
subjects.
So you're in year two, you

1170
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,440
should probably.
Know year three, yeah.

1171
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,440
Even though it's these key stage
I know.

1172
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,400
But you should, yeah,
realistically, I guess, OK.

1173
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,480
Think of another year ahead
because we're talking about an.

1174
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Amazing teacher.
Now not just a big teacher, an

1175
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,920
amazing teacher.
Knows that journey.

1176
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,760
I think of the kids and I've
that's, I've learned that from

1177
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120
experience personally over the
years, the more I've had

1178
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640
experience with different year
groups, the more it has impacted

1179
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,920
how well I will teach in a, in a
lower down year groups.

1180
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880
I think actually I've got a much
better understanding of the end

1181
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
goal now for the key stage and
it will definitely change the

1182
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,720
way I teach something.
So I do think an amazing teacher

1183
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,520
has a good subject knowledge in
maths and English of their whole

1184
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,160
key stage, preferably up to key
stage two.

1185
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,640
If we're talking primary school
teachers here.

1186
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,360
I think that's a good baseline
to have.

1187
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,840
However knowledge based stuff I
just don't think it matters

1188
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,680
really when I say maths and
English.

1189
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Even knowledge in maths and
English are like it's important

1190
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,440
but if you can Google it quite
quickly and if you can like I

1191
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,760
don't.
I wouldn't be annoyed if a

1192
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,600
teacher forgot what a determiner
was for a few minutes and then

1193
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,400
looked it up and if they weren't
teaching, what it.

1194
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Was if they went in the middle
of a lesson.

1195
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Obviously I wouldn't be like, Oh
yeah, but but I think like the,

1196
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,240
the pedagogy coming back to
that, I think, I suppose that's

1197
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:57,320
not really subject knowledge, is
it?

1198
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,920
But, you know, knowing how to
teach maths really well, yeah,

1199
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,240
requires you have a good vocab.
Understanding requires you know

1200
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,200
where you're going.
It's quite hard to teach

1201
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,560
something really well without
having that journey yourself

1202
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,640
mapped out in your head.
And what I always say to people

1203
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,040
is if we're expecting an 8 year
old to go through this journey,

1204
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,320
through this module, absolutely
as the professional in the room,

1205
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,600
we should have mastered that.
We should, we should understand

1206
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,880
that completely.
Great example.

1207
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,760
Great example of that.
Classic one, everyone starts

1208
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,480
with this in teaching is and you
can tell when someone's not

1209
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,240
teaching because they won't
know.

1210
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,520
They don't always know.
This is teaching kids how to

1211
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,720
multiply by 10.
Sure.

1212
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,280
Really, really classic thing of
if you have a good subject

1213
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,160
knowledge, you'll know.
You'll know how to do it.

1214
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,680
And I think a lot of people have
good subject knowledge.

1215
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,440
I think you can ask a lot of
adults how to times by 10,

1216
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,720
they'll know what to do.
They'll know, OK, you'll put a

1217
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,520
zero on the end.
Good, good, good knowledge of

1218
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,120
like the concept would be
knowing that teaching children

1219
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,320
to put a zero on the end of a
number is a really, really,

1220
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,160
really bad way to teach them how
to times by 10.

1221
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,520
And we should be showing them
how, how numbers intrinsically

1222
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,400
work in place value and all this
sort of stuff.

1223
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,560
So I guess that the distinction
I'm trying to make there is you

1224
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,360
could have a good subject
knowledge and know that oh, in

1225
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,080
year four children learn how to
times by 10, but that alone when

1226
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,200
it comes when it comes to
working.

1227
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,640
With decimals, the reason we
teach it in a certain way in

1228
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,640
year four might not seem obvious
or year three, but we know in

1229
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,760
the long term because we have a
mapped out understanding of that

1230
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,960
all the way through the key
stage.

1231
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,560
Actually, that's why we do it
because when it comes down the

1232
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,760
road to year five, year 6,
something will click much

1233
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:18,960
quicker if we have that really
good.

1234
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,320
So an amazing teacher will have
good.

1235
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Subject knowledge, but also a
good understanding of how to

1236
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,640
teach it as well.
You know, they might know that

1237
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,720
naughty .7 times by 10 is 7.
Cool.

1238
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,800
They've got the subject
knowledge, but do you know how

1239
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440
to actually effectively teach
that to a kid so that they can

1240
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,360
answer rather questions as well?
That's like a whole different

1241
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,920
ball game to me.
And it keeps coming back to that

1242
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400
pedagogy, that understanding of
how to teach concepts to kids

1243
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,680
properly.
Yeah, OK, I've got, I've got

1244
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,200
maybe.
A controversial question here.

1245
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,400
Can an ECT be an excellent
teacher?

1246
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,640
My gut feeling is yes, but I
feel like you've got like the

1247
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,240
way you've asked it has made me
think no, because we're talking

1248
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:54,880
about here.
How?

1249
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,520
You know, a really good
understanding of the whole

1250
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,560
curriculum, understanding the
journey between it, building

1251
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,200
relationships with kids, you
know, working with difficult

1252
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,040
children, maybe working with a
different set of class.

1253
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,560
I feel like a lot of the stuff
we've talked about so far, if I

1254
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,040
was an ECT, I'd be thinking,
whoa, OK, it's going to take me

1255
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680
two, 3-4 years to really get all
that experience under my belt.

1256
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,320
And I suppose what I'm asking is
here, how much does experience

1257
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,760
come into being an excellent
teacher?

1258
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,800
How much can we do quickly?
How much can we kind of pick up

1259
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,520
from podcasts like this, from
talking to professionals, from

1260
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,800
from having that kind of
personality, maybe even the way

1261
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,640
you want to build that
relationship with the children?

1262
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,640
How much can we do that in the
first year immediately and be an

1263
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,960
excellent teacher?
How much of it genuinely does

1264
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,400
though?
Even though I hated it at the

1265
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,000
time, I felt like, oh, I've got
to wait two or three years

1266
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,160
before I've already mastered
this.

1267
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,920
And I feel like I improved a lot
in my first 2-3, four years.

1268
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Whether that was confidence or
experience, I don't know what

1269
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,960
where's, where's that line for
you?

1270
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,440
You know, it's hard.
It's harder to be an excellent

1271
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,480
teacher early, but can you still
be an excellent teacher or do

1272
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,320
you really need an experience?
I think you kind of nailed it

1273
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,320
there, I think.
It's much harder, but I do think

1274
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,080
you can be in the bracket of
amazing.

1275
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,720
Amazing is not going to be like
an exact one.

1276
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,400
No, no, of course.
I mean, it's going to be a big

1277
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,960
range of things that make you
amazing.

1278
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,760
Like you said, you can be an
amazing teacher for lots of

1279
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000
different reasons.
Yeah, I think an ECT can be an

1280
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,800
amazing teacher.
Yeah, but I think it'll be very

1281
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,720
naive to think that an ECT
wouldn't get better over time.

1282
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,840
I I, I doubt there are many
teachers or if any teachers who

1283
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,240
after 5-10 years of teaching can
honestly say I have learned

1284
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,920
absolutely nothing and I'm
exactly as good as I was when

1285
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,760
when I started on day one.
How much do you think you've

1286
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,760
improved as a?
Teacher, since you qualified, so

1287
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,240
it's been nine years for you.
Yeah.

1288
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:30,680
What?
What?

1289
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,400
How would you describe that
journey of the quality of your

1290
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,400
teaching?
It's better in terms.

1291
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,120
Of subject knowledge and concept
knowledge.

1292
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,280
So I think I have a much better
understanding of the whole

1293
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,880
curriculum now where I didn't
when I started.

1294
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,840
I only knew the quick last
teaching and to be honest with

1295
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,280
you, I barely knew.
Well, you started in Year 4.

1296
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,880
Starting year four, now in year
6 exactly and I'd say it took me

1297
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,280
a year.
Or two, to even really get to

1298
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,960
grips on how to teach the year 4
curriculum.

1299
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,240
Like really well, now I'm in
year six and obviously I've

1300
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:54,760
gained a lot of knowledge of
year five.

1301
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,080
I still don't know loads about
year three other than just, you

1302
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,320
know, from what we've picked up
over the years.

1303
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,600
I've never taught year three,
but I do think I'm a better

1304
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,640
teacher now.
I don't know, actually, that's a

1305
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,560
weird one.
Maybe I'm just, I'm just, I'm

1306
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,120
more quickly, I'm more readily
available.

1307
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Like I can, I can pull things I
need from my brain much, much

1308
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,760
quicker now on the spot.
Here's the challenge, right?

1309
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,440
If you asked me as a, as an ECT
on the spot, you gave me 5

1310
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,360
minutes to prep a lesson.
You gave me a random objective

1311
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,520
I've never seen before and
that's going to teach it versus

1312
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,400
now.
I absolutely would blow my past

1313
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,560
self out of the water with that.
I definitely teach a better

1314
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,600
lesson now, but do you think
given something brand new?

1315
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,760
Completely brand new.
Let's just say we invent

1316
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,160
something in the curriculum.
I I've got a feeling ECTU would

1317
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,560
do a better job because more
enthusiasm, more willing to put

1318
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,040
time in to prep it.
Yeah, yeah.

1319
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,720
What do you think?
Well, now you're.

1320
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,200
Going down like personally, no,
I'm just wondering.

1321
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,240
I'm just wondering because no,
but it's true, because this is

1322
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,680
what makes an amazing teacher.
Is it your enthusiasm and love

1323
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,360
for the job Which which early in
your career is probably as high

1324
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,400
as it will ever be?
More of it then how important.

1325
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,720
Is that you know?
Yeah, we're trying to build this

1326
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,320
amazing teacher here.
I suppose the point we're

1327
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,000
getting to is just there's there
is so many ways to be an amazing

1328
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,120
teacher, but we've talked about
the core aspects of what we need

1329
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,800
and I'm not sure that the
attitude to building

1330
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,240
relationships.
I don't think I'm when I

1331
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,560
started, I built relationships
with children and now I build

1332
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,520
relationships with children.
I think that was a really strong

1333
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,360
point early in my career that
I've always yeah, me too, me

1334
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,240
too.
And I think.

1335
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,720
That's really important.
However, am IA better teacher

1336
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,200
now?
I absolutely think I am.

1337
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,440
So no matter how good I thought
I was as an NQT or ACT where

1338
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,160
others, we might call them now
newly qualified, I think it's

1339
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,680
kind of undeniable to say that
I'm not better at my job now.

1340
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,560
So I just look back and I think
is it?

1341
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,160
Was it ever possible for me to
be a top quality teacher?

1342
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,280
Could you?
Now go and train your past self

1343
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,200
to be as good as you are right
now within, let's say, a month.

1344
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,840
Yeah, I don't think so.
I think, I don't think so

1345
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,880
personally.
I think you just have to have

1346
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,760
done it.
You have to have experienced a

1347
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,760
class.
I've had really tough classes.

1348
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,960
I've had really lovely classes.
I've gone into year three, I've

1349
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,640
gone into year five, I've gone
into year four.

1350
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,880
I've done placements in year
six.

1351
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,280
Yeah, that that experience
building up, I would say me

1352
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,560
doing year three made me a much
more patient teacher, much more

1353
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,360
patient in terms of I simply had
to be so than 15 minutes to

1354
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,840
write a day in the world.
Do you think someone else could

1355
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,760
have done that with that?
Not you.

1356
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,480
Someone else could have just
already had that skills.

1357
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.

1358
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Yeah.
And I think what they would

1359
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,800
learn with experience is
something different to what I

1360
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,440
learned of experience
potentially, potentially there

1361
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,280
maybe with their subject
knowledge would have taken

1362
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,440
longer to build up.
Yeah, than my patience.

1363
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,280
You know, everyone's got a
little something that they can

1364
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,800
kind of Yeah, a tricky 1.
So in a.

1365
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Nutshell really for me so far, I
do think you're going to be an

1366
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,720
amazing teacher straight away.
And I think a lot of EC TS are

1367
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,600
an amazing teacher.
And I think of anything that,

1368
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,320
like you said, they're often
more passionate, enthusiastic,

1369
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,880
and that that in itself might
tip, tips you over, you know,

1370
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,240
being an amazing teacher more
than more experienced people who

1371
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:36,560
have lost that enthusiasm and
things.

1372
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,440
But despite having other skill
sets.

1373
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,160
But I do also think that
experience does matter.

1374
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,800
And over time, majority of
teachers do become better

1375
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,360
teachers.
There is a risk of losing stuff

1376
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,240
like the enthusiasm if we're
accepting that that has a part

1377
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,480
to play in being an amazing
teacher.

1378
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,960
And we're also accepting that
people could become less amazing

1379
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,880
by by losing some of these
policies.

1380
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680
Absolutely.
Okay, yeah, we're one.

1381
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,240
Yeah.
So being being an amazing.

1382
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:02,800
Teacher then we talked about how
actually the non negotiables

1383
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,680
we'd say then are quality
subject knowledge of what you're

1384
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,400
teaching, wherever that comes to
the ability to build

1385
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,240
relationships with the children
you're learning with.

1386
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,000
However that comes across,
whether that's through being

1387
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,600
strict or laid back or
individual to each child you've

1388
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,000
got you've got to be able to do
that.

1389
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Yeah.
So and the pedagogy and the

1390
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,920
pedagogy understanding of how
kids brains work exactly knowing

1391
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,200
how to teach.
I think there's a whole bunch of

1392
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,800
stuff which which really is
optional and I want to get this

1393
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,160
across to people right now where
where doing it.

1394
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080
You can be an amazing teacher
and do these things, but if you

1395
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,200
don't do them, you absolutely
can still be an amazing teacher.

1396
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,480
It's not a prerequisite.
And the number one thing I've

1397
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,840
always, always, always lived by,
maybe because I don't like doing

1398
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,480
it, but also because I don't
think it's very, very important,

1399
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,200
is a beautifully aesthetically
pleasing classroom.

1400
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,640
That's a classic one.
I love walking through a

1401
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,560
beautiful, aesthetically
pleasing classroom.

1402
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,280
I am the first person to admire
them.

1403
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,040
I think some of the effort
people go into in their rooms is

1404
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,320
fantastic.
I would never degrade someone

1405
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,920
for doing it.
However, if someone came into my

1406
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,200
room and saw much less
aesthetically pleasing

1407
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,800
surroundings and thought, oh,
oh, he's not as good, I'd be

1408
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,760
guided.
I'd be guided.

1409
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,920
And I think they'd be completely
wrong.

1410
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,040
So I, I where do you stand on
aesthetically pleasing

1411
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,960
classrooms?
Yeah, I I think it's.

1412
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,160
The one of the leading things
for insecurity of teachers.

1413
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,520
I certainly remember feeling
like that because like equally,

1414
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,680
you know, I wasn't particularly
interested in, in the

1415
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,400
surroundings.
I'd do it because you're

1416
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,960
supposed to, but I wouldn't.
You know, we're talking displays

1417
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,520
here.
Aren't we?

1418
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,000
Yeah, the colour, the displays
and even that.

1419
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,480
Even just like the organisation
of your cupboards and the way

1420
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,560
your boxes laid out with your
books and your trays and things

1421
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,600
like that.
Like you know, I've never been

1422
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,160
great at that, your peg labels,
all that sort of stuff.

1423
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,640
I think yeah, it doesn't have
much.

1424
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,520
It doesn't have any impact I
don't think on any, not really.

1425
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,240
No, I don't think so.
On the teaching.

1426
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,280
I think OK, everything have
extreme.

1427
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,720
We could go to the other end and
it's like you've got, you know,

1428
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,400
like hoarders.
You get on like TV people.

1429
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,720
Yeah, but no, no, I'm talking.
Let's ignore organisation and

1430
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,640
tidiness for a minute.
I'm literally talking about

1431
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,400
spending two hours on an amazing
BFG mural in your corner.

1432
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,000
Oh, you're having a really
aesthetically pleasing looking

1433
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,760
classroom compared to something
where it's just put together.

1434
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,720
The colours don't quite match.
Maybe we just hodgepodge

1435
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:12,920
something.
Maybe we're being biassed

1436
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,560
because neither.
Neither of us have ever been

1437
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,040
into that sort of stuff, so
maybe we're being a bit wrong.

1438
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,480
I don't think it has an impact,
but I'm willing to accept that

1439
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,280
someone else would come along
and say it has just as much

1440
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
impact as you have a little bit
of a laugh when them in the

1441
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,960
morning when they come in, them
seeing that silly display,

1442
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,840
making them want to come into
your classroom because they

1443
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,360
really they love seeing what
you've done to it.

1444
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,600
Every every term, I think would
be just as valid as someone

1445
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,480
saying, you know, one of the
points that I think is really

1446
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120
valuable because I happen to
like doing well when you I

1447
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,240
remember when you in.
ECT.

1448
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,480
I'd walk into your room and I
would do the Riddle of the day.

1449
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,800
You'd put Riddle of the day on
the board.

1450
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,600
One of your displays was the
Riddle of the day and that's

1451
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,280
like a hook for the kids and
that's to do with being a

1452
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,960
display.
So there's something, there is

1453
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,680
something in that.
And I guess what what moves on

1454
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,360
from that and I think has more
of an impact is the organisation

1455
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,120
and the cleanliness and the
tidiness of your classroom.

1456
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,720
Because I again, I'm a self
certified type B teacher, messy,

1457
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,680
unorganised, I don't know where
stuff is half the time, never

1458
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,040
mind one else coming into the
room.

1459
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,480
I absolutely think that
organisation and cleanliness and

1460
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,080
tidiness is a real positive in
your teaching and I think that's

1461
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,360
one of my weaknesses.
But has it knocked?

1462
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560
You off of the let's say you're
an amazing teacher.

1463
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,560
Has it knocked you off of that
title?

1464
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,680
I don't.
I don't know.

1465
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,480
I don't, no.
Longer be amazing if you I.

1466
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Think I think you can absolutely
be an amazing.

1467
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,360
Teacher inspiring kids, getting
the best out of them with with a

1468
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,800
bit of a with a couple of post
notes.

1469
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,760
When you're asking the wrong
place.

1470
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,960
I don't think it's the end of
the world.

1471
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,800
I think you can go too far.
Like, I've had points before,

1472
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,800
genuinely, where I didn't know
where my whiteboard pen was and

1473
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,520
I'm in the middle of teaching
because I just put it down

1474
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,320
somewhere and a bit scatty.
I'm going to help some kids.

1475
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,800
I want to help them out.
Oh God, where's the I can't, I

1476
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,240
can't see anything because I've
got all these sheets from

1477
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,720
yesterday here and they're
underneath there.

1478
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,840
So there's been points where,
like, it would have obviously

1479
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,240
been better if I was a bit more
organised.

1480
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:48,000
But again, I don't think those
core tenets have had to be an

1481
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,160
amazing teacher.
I think they shine through much

1482
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,080
more strongly than yeah.
Oh my God, I've got a pile of

1483
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,880
papers on my desk.
I agree.

1484
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,440
I'm imagining always like a pie
chart, right?

1485
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,120
Now, like what?
What you know the ingredients to

1486
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,000
be an amazing teacher.
You don't need all of them in

1487
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,280
all of them.
You need like, you know, 3/4

1488
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,800
whatever to be an amazing
teacher.

1489
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,400
And to me, yeah, the, the, the
way your displays look in a

1490
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,240
classroom is a very small part
of that pie.

1491
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,680
It's still there.
There's a very small part to me.

1492
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,360
I don't think it's going to make
much impact really.

1493
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,320
I don't think so.
And it's at all.

1494
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Right, it's at all I.
Don't use them.

1495
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,560
Some teachers use their displays
and they and they have their

1496
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,200
kids actually looking around
them all the time.

1497
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,080
And I do think that is down to
your teaching style.

1498
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,440
I don't do that.
So therefore none of my kids

1499
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,880
ever look around the classroom
anyway.

1500
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,000
So it's almost like it's like
self fulfilling.

1501
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,600
It's like, oh, I'm not going to
make nice displays.

1502
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,280
None of the kids ever look.
Yeah, they never look.

1503
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,040
It was the displays of it,
right?

1504
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,200
Controversial question.
OK, so we're winding up to the

1505
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,480
end here.
I suppose we're covered a lot.

1506
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:45,480
Could you not once look at a
child's book after a lesson in

1507
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,320
any maths, English, science,
whatever?

1508
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,640
Could you not once look at their
book after they've finished

1509
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,080
writing in it?
No marking, no feedback.

1510
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,160
Just go on to your next lesson
and teach it amazingly well and

1511
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,760
do everything we've spoken
about, but you have not marked a

1512
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,320
single thing all year.
Could you still be an amazing

1513
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:01,920
teacher?
Yeah.

1514
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,440
Yeah.
And what does that say about

1515
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,440
marking?
I think.

1516
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,440
It I think it says that marking.
OK, I want to clarify this.

1517
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,560
I don't think you would be
equal.

1518
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,600
I I think I think there is a
there is a good possibility

1519
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,560
equal, equal to yourself who did
look at the books every week.

1520
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,040
I think there's still going to
be a difference.

1521
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,440
I don't, I don't think it like
So what are you saying?

1522
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,640
It's better or worse?
No, no, no, I'm, I'm saying.

1523
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,400
It is worse, but but I think
it's so negligible that it's not

1524
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,480
going to knock you out of the
bracket being an amazing

1525
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,480
teacher, but it has saved you a
hundreds of hours to maybe do

1526
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,520
other stuff that knocks you even
higher into this bracket.

1527
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,640
You know everything and give and
take.

1528
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,280
I I think marking has a, a
small, small place.

1529
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,800
I'll be lying if I said I've
never looked in the kids book

1530
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,920
and not going, oh, I didn't
realise they hadn't understood

1531
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,200
this or I didn't realise this
and then I found out something

1532
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,480
useful from it.
But I'd also be lying if I said

1533
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,040
that happened more than 1% of
the time.

1534
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,600
Yeah, because that's the biggest
argument.

1535
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,880
I've honestly not really got
much of A comeback to so I'd

1536
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,440
like to hear what you say to
people who do say, OK, it's all

1537
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,880
well and good not marking.
It's lovely.

1538
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,000
I'll get you some likes on
social media and people love

1539
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,400
saying don't mark, but how on
earth do you know what you kids

1540
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,000
can and can't do?
Because we do assessments across

1541
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,480
the year if.
You started saying to me and we

1542
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,320
don't do assessments.
Then I'd be thinking, OK,

1543
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,680
there's got to be something
summative assessment three

1544
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,640
times.
A year is adequate to know that

1545
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,520
a child because I do think I
know most.

1546
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,600
Of it just in the lessons
anyway.

1547
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,640
So that's a big thing then?
That's the point.

1548
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,320
You're assessing them during the
lessons.

1549
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,960
What I'm trying to say is the
things that you might.

1550
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,720
Miss in in the books, I think
I'd I think I'd pick up most of

1551
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,080
them in one of the three
assessments I do across the year

1552
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,120
and which basically counteracts
they need to mark to need to

1553
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:30,960
mark.
Do you know what I mean?

1554
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,680
Yeah.
So you're saying you're doing

1555
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:33,360
your?
Assessment every day.

1556
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,640
You're just not picking up a
book at the end.

1557
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,200
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I'm doing myself.

1558
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,160
I'm spending six hours a day
with these kids.

1559
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:44,040
Yeah, a day if it like, of
course, I know intricately where

1560
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,200
each of them are and I think
that's a characteristic.

1561
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,240
Of an amazing teacher you could
say a name to a teacher like Oh

1562
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,080
yeah getting on really well in
in maths did struggle with with

1563
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,040
column method and exchanging
found that quite tricky can kind

1564
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,120
of pluck that information yeah
yeah because because you've

1565
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,720
spent so long with them teaching
it and you've adapted your

1566
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,840
teaching whilst you've been
doing it knowing your kids then

1567
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,440
yeah is.
Is that is a quality of an

1568
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,680
amazing teacher Yeah.
Knowing your kids really well

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00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,880
and adapting your teaching to.
Suit them on the spot and having

1570
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,000
that malleability and again, I
think kinds of experience.

1571
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,280
Yeah, I was not confident
enough, I would say in my first

1572
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,920
year or maybe even 2 to kind of
be like, oh, well, I've planned

1573
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,280
this lesson.
But Oh my goodness, little

1574
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,880
Johnny, I'm doing, I'm doing
what I've said because I'm going

1575
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,360
around and I'm making sure I
know them really well.

1576
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,080
But I'm too scared to change my
lesson.

1577
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,920
So I'm going to just carry on
doing it for a minute.

1578
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,680
I'm a better teacher now because
actually the amount of times

1579
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,480
I've opened up a smart that I
have planned myself, not even

1580
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,800
someone else and I've gone
that's a bit naff.

1581
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,520
I don't really, I don't like
that.

1582
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,640
Give me a whiteboard.
We're going to ad Lib stuff.

1583
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,080
I'm going to model, they're
going to practise it.

1584
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,440
We're going to make up a task in
our book.

1585
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,920
And because of that, where it
might seem on paper like I'm a

1586
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,520
worse teacher because I've not
got this much slides to go off.

1587
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,840
And my gosh, you need your
slides and a written detailed

1588
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,360
plan exactly how it's going to
go.

1589
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,360
No, quality teachers adapt and
change their learning on the

1590
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,280
spot.
Yeah, no, I agree.

1591
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,680
I agree.
So, yeah, marking, I don't know,

1592
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,480
pointless.
Yeah, I think it's.

1593
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Pointless.
Pretty pointless enough that I'd

1594
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,600
call.
It you know I want to do this is

1595
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:05,800
cheeky.
I'd never actually do this.

1596
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,040
I want to go a whole year about
marking at all and not tell

1597
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,720
anyone, go to the, you know,
pupil progress meetings.

1598
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,880
But oh look, the data has done
this, data has done that.

1599
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,760
Really, really hope and I think
would happen is not much of A

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,120
change.
I still got really good data.

1601
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,080
And then I'd say at the end, by
the way, I didn't mark at all

1602
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,920
this year and, and just see what
they say, 'cause if if someone

1603
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,520
was like, oh, Oh no, you have to
do that.

1604
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,000
And I'm like, why?
Yeah, yeah.

1605
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:26,720
Ohh.
Because.

1606
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:27,600
Because they.
Because.

1607
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,280
Progress.
I really hold up your progress.

1608
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,600
It'd be even better.
If like there's a more of like a

1609
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,000
hitting home like you did that
and also in all the time you

1610
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,160
save marking did genuinely
really useful stuff for the

1611
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,880
school.
So they're like wow, didn't did

1612
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,800
all these really useful things
was great this year and at the

1613
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,200
end of it you go, oh, by the
way, the reason I got through

1614
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,680
those things I didn't mark look,
progress didn't go down exactly

1615
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,320
the same and we got all this
other stuff done.

1616
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:47,920
So what do you think about use
of my time guys?

1617
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,480
Yeah, I mean I.
Like that idea on paper, but

1618
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,600
instead what I might do is just
show pictures of me playing with

1619
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Rory because I went home early.
Yeah, Yeah.

1620
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,240
What did you do your time
instead?

1621
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,920
I've got, I've got my son at
home.

1622
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,200
I was playing with him.
I didn't need.

1623
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,680
I went to the pub.
Actually, that's the thing.

1624
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,800
Here's a pint I had.
That's the.

1625
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,160
That is The funny thing, to be
fair, because I felt like.

1626
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,080
We didn't.
You didn't even use the time you

1627
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,720
gained to do something else when
you Nah because I already do

1628
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,040
hours hours.
Actually in my contract.

1629
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,920
So yeah, OK, last thing then to
wrap this up, I think this is

1630
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,120
super important.
And I do feel like even though I

1631
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,720
was young and a bit of roast
into classes, I felt like

1632
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,640
teachers back when we were at
school were way less stressed.

1633
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,600
And and from what I've spoken to
more experienced teachers now

1634
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,560
have been teaching 30-40 years.
They just say the job now is

1635
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,480
incomparable to when they
started off in terms of the

1636
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,800
amount expected from you.
So I genuinely think, and I'd

1637
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,920
have this to anyone listening
who wants to be an amazing

1638
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,440
teacher, it has to start with
getting your own stuff in order,

1639
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,600
getting yourself in a good
place, looking after yourself.

1640
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,560
Absolutely.
Because I think if you don't fix

1641
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,080
that and if you're in a bad
place and you're stressed, that

1642
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,680
is always going to translate to
your job.

1643
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,440
It's this is a hard job guys.
Like we know it's hard and

1644
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,680
people training who've got in
touch with me say training is

1645
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,600
hard.
And I say to them, training,

1646
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,560
training is probably the
toughest pick because you've got

1647
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,760
to do everything and train and
write essays and do all this

1648
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,520
kind of stuff.
So getting through your training

1649
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,960
and ECT honestly is so, so
tricky.

1650
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,200
But it does get easier.
And a big, big thing that helped

1651
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,040
me, I kept my personal things.
We said it a million times, but

1652
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,280
I kept going to football.
I went out with my friends at

1653
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,640
the weekend.
I did something for me and I

1654
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,120
would honestly say most people,
most teachers I look at who are

1655
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,320
going through a rough patch and
maybe don't feel like they're

1656
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,560
doing as well as they can do,
it's almost always because

1657
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,080
actually they've not got things
sorted as well at home and with

1658
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,360
their own life.
So I think self-care is so

1659
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,160
important to being a good
teacher.

1660
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,560
It might not be the obvious
thing, but looking after

1661
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,800
yourself, Oh my God, it's the
stepping stone.

1662
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,880
It's the it's the foundation to
actually be in an excellent and

1663
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,400
that difference between stress
and tiredness.

1664
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,800
Because I think, going back to
analogy, I think I reckon

1665
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,960
teachers 34 years ago, we're
probably just as tired as we are

1666
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,240
just as tired.
But I do think the stress has

1667
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,120
gone up.
I think, I think the all the

1668
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,800
accountability and all, you
know, off stared and whatever

1669
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,600
SRT, whatever we want to put it
down to, I do think the stress

1670
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,160
has gone up.
So look, after the stress, It's

1671
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,880
OK to be tired.
It's a knackering job.

1672
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,160
It's also extremely rewarding.
But if you're feeling really

1673
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,720
stressed about it, something,
yeah, you've got to do something

1674
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:10,800
about it.
You've got to protect your

1675
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,000
personal time.
And we've always said our advice

1676
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,800
to people has always been just
go and talk to someone.

1677
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,040
Just try, you know, you can't, A
lot of people don't even bother

1678
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,000
talking to SLT because they
think, oh, I won't be able, you

1679
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:22,960
know, they're not going to say
anything.

1680
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,120
Well, at least try to talk to
SLT, say, here's my problem, I

1681
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:27,840
want help.
Don't go in, you know, with

1682
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,160
pitchfork because you get that
backed up straight away.

1683
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,280
They're going to feel personally
attacked.

1684
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,640
Just go and speak to them, see
what they can do.

1685
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,440
Try and sort out your, your life
outside of outside of teaching.

1686
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,840
So you've got a bit of time,
like Dylan said.

1687
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,120
But yeah, look after yourself
very, very important That that

1688
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,320
is what makes an amazing
teacher.

1689
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,920
It is so.
Yeah, guys, thanks for

1690
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,680
listening.
That was our kind of round up

1691
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:48,840
there.
Had to be an amazing teacher.

1692
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,680
We missed anything.
If you think no, no, no, no, you

1693
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,120
need to have this.
Guys, do you know what?

1694
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,440
You can get in touch with us.
You can follow Instagram at

1695
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,280
Teach Sleep Repeat podcast.
We'll put a link in the

1696
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,920
description and I don't think
I've asked you yet.

1697
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,400
Could you please leave us a
review?

1698
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,480
It really, really helps us guys.
We love reading those reviews.

1699
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:05,640
We love seeing those numbers
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1700
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,920
So if you've got a spare couple
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1701
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,320
that cash prize.
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1702
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:11,920
Don't know, there's a cash
prize.

1703
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:12,560
I like that.
Hey.

1704
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,560
Because I think throughout the
episode we got a bit more

1705
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,160
serious and I felt less and less
like I wanted to kill you.

1706
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,880
So yeah, I know.
Did you vote Labour?

1707
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:24,040
I guess what, guys?
It's either come home or it's

1708
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:25,720
not coming home.
I don't know which one it is.

1709
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,800
Maybe that can be the poll.
Did it come home?

1710
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,640
Yeah.
Yeah, we all know.

1711
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,280
We would never know.
Because we live in the past.

1712
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,920
We're trapped in this moment, in
the past.

1713
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,760
It's.
Currently Friday.

1714
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,040
I mean whenever you listen to
this, Oh my God, could you

1715
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,080
believe that header by Harry
Kane to win the EUR?

1716
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,280
That was amazing.
Now do another version.

1717
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,400
Oh gosh.
Can you believe?

1718
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,480
That young 16 year old who's now
17 because his birthday is on

1719
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,520
Saturday, which has already
happened, that is called that,

1720
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,400
who scored that amazing goal for
Spain and Harry Kane missed that

1721
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,720
header.
That would have won.

1722
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,160
Geez.
Unlucky boys, unlucky or all

1723
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,160
well done boys for winning the
trophy?

1724
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,240
Well done.
Delete as appropriate guys.

1725
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,400
We'll see you next time.
See ya.