Ep 67: Can Flexible Working Save Education?

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Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach Sleep.
Repeat.

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My name is Dylan and my name is
Hayden, and we are the Men in

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black.
Are we really are the men in

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black?
We did not.

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Is that brand new top?
Brand new top.

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Yeah.
So.

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When I walked in the black top
this morning, did your heart

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sink a bit?
I didn't notice because

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obviously I don't notice these
things until we sit in front of

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a camera and go, oh look, we
were in the same thing.

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A vast majority of people don't
watch this podcast so that

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first.
Made me customers.

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Was a complete waste of your
time.

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How you doing?
I'm alright.

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Remember we first, we first went
on on video, right?

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And we kept making jokes about
it and we were saying, oh,

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you're so weird for watching us.
And now it's just normal.

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Yeah, it's quite normal to have
stalkers, I think.

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Who wants everything?
That's what you are, isn't it?

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Really.
Who does watch on it?

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Give us a message because
apparently it's a lot of you.

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Apparently on the stats on
Spotify.

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Apparently I didn't have anyone
watching me on this week's

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podcast.
Yeah.

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How's your week been?
We've been back at school.

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Haven't.
Back at school after a lovely

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trip to Centre Parks, we spoke
about last.

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Week What was more tiring, the
holiday or the work you work

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actually you.
Being around you more often.

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Was very tired.
Why was that?

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Business the holiday.
I was so knackered that weekend.

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We got back.
Couldn't believe it.

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But it was good.
It was worth.

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It it's always good when you
finish a holiday much more tired

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than when you went on it.
I said to my mum and she was

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like, ohh, she's like, that is
just what it's like for kids.

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She's like it's the sign of a
good holiday.

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If you come back knackered it's
because you were doing

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everything you could to try and
make it nice for them.

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And it's lovely because they'll
never, ever remember it, and it

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might as well have not happened.
For them, no.

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But we've got, we've got some
pictures of it.

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We got a picture of them in the
bath we can embarrass them with

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when they're older.
It's fine.

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I've seen, I've had a quick look
at the notes and I've just seen

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something that says Apple pie
story.

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Apple pie store.
That's vague enough for me to

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be, really.
Interested.

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I'm looking forward to telling
this story.

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So yesterday I went to one of
us.

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So just for context, we have a
choosing business and I went to

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one of our choosers houses who's
going to be taking over a bit

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of.
Workload and he's going to work

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to run the business with me.
You no taking over.

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We we run mock tests through the
year and it was just a little

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event and he's going to take
over that role of like managing

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them, right.
So I said, I'll come round,

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we'll run through all get you
set up.

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And because it was quite late, I
said, jump me to bring some

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dinner.
You know, we'll just get a

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takeaway or something.
So we decided on on a

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McDonald's, a cheeky McDonald's,
and that was great.

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At the time he was with another
colleague who is both his friend

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and also a tutor for us who
said, ohh, I want an apple pie.

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And I thought they were joking.
I was on my way to McDonald's.

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I thought it was just me.
She doesn't even live with him.

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I mean, I thought, no, that's
not happening.

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And then they text me as I was
at McDonald's.

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Are you actually getting the
apple pie?

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And I thought, I thought it was
a joke, but OK, I'll get the

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apple pie.
That's fine.

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I'll drop it to her house.
Whatever.

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There you go, Texas saying
you're lucky.

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You know you better enjoy this
apple pie.

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Was that the exact language you?
Used Yeah, I I was really nice

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in my language.
I didn't use any expletives when

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I spoke to.
Her definitely not.

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I said you better enjoy this
apple pie.

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You're a lovely woman, is what I
said to her.

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And then I was driving away from
McDonald's and I just had a

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feeling, you know, my McDonald's
senses.

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I.
Don't wanna do anything for her.

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That's what you thought.
I just I just feeling inside.

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Ohh it's still gonna hate you
when I replace him.

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But she gave me the bag
McDonald's, and I thought, I

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just feel like there's, it
should have felt more heavy.

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How often do you go to my
doubles that you can lift up the

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bag and go I'm missing or
something?

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I knew one of my five items is
missing.

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This is not.
Waiting right?

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I wasn't I was bloody right.
So I pulled I was driving at

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McDonald's and I thought no I'm
going to stop and check cause be

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annoying if I go there and
something missing something

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missing.
The McDonald's Whisperer.

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I looked in.
I closed my eyes.

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Obviously I did it all from
smell.

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Something's missing in here.
I can't can't smell the.

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Apple I'm getting, I'm getting
cheeky.

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Muggy I'm getting double
cheeseburger.

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No backing.
Did and actually what I realised

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was I had the complete wrong
order.

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I didn't even have our order at
all.

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I was like, we didn't order any
of this stuff.

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So I was like oh bloody hell.
Took it back into McDonald's at

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that point.
I picked up the drinks that she

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gave me first and realised they
weren't even the drinks I

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ordered.
Probably should have noticed at

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that point when she gave me two
drinks that weren't the drinks.

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Anyway, went in and I said oh
sorry, but this is not my order.

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I've got someone else's order
and was a lady said next to me

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and she was like, oh, is that
the old chicken selects meal and

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two Cokes?
Yeah, this is yours.

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He's like, yeah, I drove past
the window, didn't realise where

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to stop and then you, you were
the car behind.

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Me.
Sorry.

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Let's go through her thought
process.

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I know.
Go through the drive through.

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I'll order my food, I'll pay for
my food, and then I'll go home.

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And go to the next window
please.

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OK, what countries left
McDonald's?

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So she thought she held her
back.

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Didn't exist.
It was a bit light.

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I know I did think what?
What do you mean you missed?

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You missed the window where you
get your food and you don't

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know.
How many Tesco put your whole

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chart for it and just going good
day, yeah, you've paid backing

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out.
So I thought, OK, well it wasn't

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McDonald's fault really, that
she just, she just did it wrong.

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So I stood there waiting and
explained the situation, very

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apologetic.
And then they found my meal

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because the next person
obviously was like, this isn't

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my meal out the window.
A sensible person that actually

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realises when the drinks are
wrong and I say put it to the

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side, found one.
I said, really, where you have

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your meal, all good.
I was like, no, no worries, no

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worries, all fine.
And I thought, I'm not going to

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check it again.
No, not check.

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They obviously checked it now
because I've told them to go.

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I've told them exactly what my
order was, of course.

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And so I, I drive to, I'm going
to name a Tasha's house.

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She listens and she listens
fine.

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Drives Tasha's house and she
was, you know, extremely excited

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about this apple pie for.
She came bounding over.

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Came bounding out of her door
like ohh my apple pie, something

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like that.
Sound music.

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She can confirm that's it.
That's how she came out the

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door.
I can actually really imagine

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her doing.
Back to that specifically, Tash.

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Yeah.
Very, very her, isn't it?

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Flamboyant of an Extremely
flamboyant.

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Yeah.
Running out of her door, big

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smile on her face like she was.
I didn't actually expect you to

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do this.
This is the biggest treat.

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You're probably the nicest
person I know.

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You're my favourite human being.
Didn't say that.

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No, No.
But she came to the window.

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Her eyes said it.
Yeah, her eye said it exactly.

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A body language eyes, You know,
the fact she had no shoes on.

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She was so excited.
And I said right, go on then.

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It's in one of these two bags.
Sorry.

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You you noticed that she had no
shoes on and you noticed about

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the McDonald's you're some kind
of like.

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You got Spidey senses?
I've got like eyes or something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so I said in one of these

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bags, open them up.
So I opened one bag, shoved one

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bag.
She's excited looking through

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all right, Like that one's
looking through my bag.

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I was like, ohh, it's not in
here either.

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And the apple pie wasn't there.
And she was gutted, but but held

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it and has, is now holding it
personally against me to make

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that clear.
She was like, you owe me.

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You owe me an apple pie.
I.

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Think each day that goes past
apple pie increases by 1 couple

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months now, Yeah.
So I don't know how to feel

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about that.
Is that my fault?

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I would say absolutely, because
it's you.

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If it was anyone else,
obviously, because it is you

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who's gone through this whole
thing, through the whole ordeal

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of holding a bag from McDonald's
and go, no, no, no, that is not

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my order.
But then for some reason I don't

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check it again.
I know.

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It was wrong with me.
I just checked.

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I thought, no, they can't get it
wrong.

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The main thing that's come out
of this story for me is I really

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want to line up five bags of
McDonald's food, right?

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Completely random.
Get to hold them and tell me

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what's in them.
And see successful all three,

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actually a medium prize and two
large fries in that one.

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Yeah, yeah, I know.
OK, we've done this before, but

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I'm gonna ask you right now
because it is vital information.

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OK, What's your go to order?
McDonald's.

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You're hungry driving home from
work.

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You know that.
Even it's late.

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Go through McDonald's, right?
Gonna fill my boots here.

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What do you?
Get so I can't remember to be

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adventurous.
Big Mac meal, no cheese,

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obviously.
I wish I didn't ask, honest.

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Cheese.
Yeah.

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Cheese.
Big white meal, No cheese Drink

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Oasis.
Anything else?

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And hamburger.
Yeah, I knew it was coming.

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Getting that like 3 bites.
Yeah, exactly.

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But I was looking at McDonald's
menu yesterday and they had this

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like triple thing that just
three for 3 lbs Yeah, no, it was

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like a burger with three burgers
in it.

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But the hat trick burger,
Patrick burger, yeah, I looked

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at it.
I was like ohh, that could be

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quite nice.
And then I realised that cheese

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was the main element and I took
out the cheese.

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It would literally just be.
Three burgers on top, three

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slabs of mince in a bread bun, 3
slabs.

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Slabs of rancid mince.
You know, I thought probably not

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the best idea for anyway.
It doesn't know.

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Completely insane.
Hayden doesn't like cheese.

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No, he's not tolerant.
He's not vegan.

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I am.
He's not, he's not.

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And he he just doesn't actually
like geez, I think it's

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disgusting.
I still can't get my.

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Head.
It's disgusting.

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Is is the most disgusting food
on this planet.

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It's absolutely revolting.
Rancid.

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Interesting, that'll be the
pollen on this if you're on

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Spotify right now.
There is a whole cult of us like

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we all know each other.
Preview when I walk around.

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You.
Rishi and ohh, I don't know.

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The third one.
Oh, no, I'm just testing.

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I'm testing you.
Yeah.

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We walk on the street.
I'm like, right, we not.

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We know.
Obviously.

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We know each.
Other Is it because I don't even

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know?
This is the lack of calcium from

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the milk we don't drink.
Another horribly pale person.

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Ohh, Jason.
Jason.

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I mean, I'm, I'm really pale, so
I like to.

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Have my photo taken, dear.
Cheese.

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Ohh always freaks me out.
Like when they're seeing those

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black and white you're
flashbacks in your head.

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Cheese you back to your
childhood of being forced and

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just eat it.
Eat your dinner, Hayden.

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Eat I do have one of them.
Well, I memory of like where I

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think of well, actually, because
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school.
Genuinely, really, genuinely

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forced to eat lasagna.
I was in maybe a three and I had

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a school.
I don't normally have school

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dinners, but for some reason I
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it was lasagna and it was cheesy
lasagna.

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Oh my God, and they would not
have didn't want to eat it.

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And it wasn't even being I
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I literally just said something
I really, really, really don't

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like.
I just don't meet this and

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they're like, we're not going to
write to eat it.

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And I sat there the whole whole
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They wouldn't leave.
They would not let me go until

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they lasagna.
I probably had like one mouthful

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of it in the end around for
dinner time.

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No, because I know what you do.
You'll throw cheese at me.

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Yeah, yeah.
What do you think about that in

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general in school?
Because we.

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Ohh.
Wait, let me just check.

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Ohh Yeah, This is the teacher
podcast.

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Let's talk.
Ohh.

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Yeah.
So do what do you think about

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kids who just refused to eat at
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Where's the line?
Because they eat something.

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Weird, isn't it?
Probably, Probably more labelled

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liberal than ever because
experience.

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I'd be like any kid that says
now, but OK, bye.

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Because I'm like, I don't want
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To Stevens my.
Go.

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Just go.
No, no, my son.

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Sorry.
It's the end of day.

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I want to catch you quickly.
My son he's not been eating his

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lunches for.
Weeks I know ohh, you know about

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this already.
I do.

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I know very well.
OK, so you've been trying I've

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been encouraging him to to eat
all of his dinner.

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I've been encouraging him to
leave his dinner if he doesn't

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like No, no, but he no Mr
Stevens, listen, he comes home

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starving everyday Yes, and I
know he does actually like it.

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He does because he's at home.
So can you just please make sure

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he eats it?
I won't I won't do it.

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What What?
That's part of your job, Mr.

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It's not part of my job.
We've had a whole discussion

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about this on our podcast.
You should.

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But basically with me while I
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Yeah, I don't know, I I would
hate to punish children for not

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liking food.
Yeah, I find that insane.

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But sometimes.
But like you said, sometimes

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we've all been there as a kid
where you're just being stubborn

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and actually you wanted
something else.

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You didn't get it.
So now I'm not eating.

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This.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So there is a line where it's
like, OK, yeah.

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It's like everything we talk
about on this podcast and a line

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somewhere we decided the problem
is probably funding some sort of

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somehow funding's fault.
It's the Tories.

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I think it's the Tories and
that's why you listen to the

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podcast guys, for that
incredible insight into all the

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problems that we have in
teaching.

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So apple pie.
Great.

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Good stuff.
How are you?

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I'm.
Fine, I'm absolutely fine.

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I've been thinking about the
fact that your notes are when

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this is about us.
Well then your notes are

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terrible.
That's not fun.

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Mine says apple pie story.
Where's Where's the?

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Fun in that?
Ohh.

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Let me explain why this Sunday,
which is after we record this,

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carry on this, after we record
this podcast, but before it's

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been released.
So it's happened already.

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So I had a great Father's Day.
Did you?

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Ohh yes and also yesterday had a
great father's.

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Day.
I think yesterday was fantastic

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and I would think that all of
the surprises were very

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surprising.
To me, all of the fathers were

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laughing like this.
What a great day.

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But the only thing is to have a
Father's Day is we've got a BBQ

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at my parents house, we're gonna
go to everyone that's on the

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afternoon.
But then Lauren said to me

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yesterday, what are you doing in
the morning on a on Father's

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Day?
And I was like, ohh, nothing

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actually I'm not doing anything,
I'm free.

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She went ohh, OK, alright then.
So I spent the rest of the day

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thinking, ohh, I gotta say,
yeah, it's like, ohh, I'm gonna,

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I'm gonna cry.
But that sounds quite nice.

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And then then later on we were
organised in an interview we

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have with like something to our
business and we and the person

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could do Sunday morning.
And I was like, no, no, no, no,

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no, no.
Don't think I can do Sunday

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morning because I've been asked
about it.

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I've got to keep that clear.
I'll just check when because we

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can work around it.
So by the way, Lauren, what what

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is going on Sunday morning?
Nothing I said but you no sorry.

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Ohh, earlier you asked me what?
I'm doing.

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You're crying at this point, it
was just a long don't worry

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about.
That I said, ohh, earlier you

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you just asked me what's going
on Sunday morning.

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So I just thought, are we?
And she was like, oh, no wonder

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what you're doing.
Yeah.

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So so I said to you nothing.
And you went, that's OK.

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Yeah, I could do the interview.
So Sunday morning, having a nice

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little chat with someone.
Yeah, one of our people like an

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interview really.
Is it just talk about something?

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But yeah, that, that that was,
that was fun.

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I honestly thought, like, that's
lovely, isn't it?

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Yeah, lovely.
That's something in the morning

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for my first Father's Day.
Yeah, I'll be doing nothing.

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Did you do anything on Mother's
Day though's first mother's?

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Day I don't remember.
So that's a no.

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I think we did.
I think I got, I think I got

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paid Rory's feet and put his
feet somewhere.

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Yeah, on a card or something.
Fair enough.

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The Wall.
Yeah, Chuck some painters.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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It's nice, isn't it?
It's nice.

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That's my notes, farmers name.
It's not I've got another.

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I've got another thing that
actually just thought without

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looking at.
Ohh please tell me about how

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insane the amount of work you
know.

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I don't know, I just read your
mind.

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It's like a McDonald's.
Well, last week before we

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started back at work, I was
talking.

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You picked me up and went,
that's all he's got to talk

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about.
It feels better.

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There's no buying there, son.
Inside and the only thing I was

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going to say was last week we
said, isn't time 6 lovely?

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Isn't time 6 great?
The weather is so good, My

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favourite times.
Then I had a week back and I

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remembered how insane it is.
Like I just thought straight

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away I was like, oh, there's
four things that I need to do in

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the next two weeks and that all
massive jobs and I've got to

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continue actually doing my full
teaching schedule, which is in

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itself a full time job.
And I've got some planet and

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I've got some market.
But by the way, you still got

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staff meetings.
And also, can you please write

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and all your reports?
And not only write all your

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reports, can you then proofread
all the reports from someone

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else please?
The same amount of time.

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By the way, there's a Twilight
as well.

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We've got some training.
Really nice.

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Ohh.
It's weird that you only found

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about found out about writing
reports last week.

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Well, Hayden, how do you expect
me to proofread reports before,

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before, before the deadline when
people aren't finished?

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I said writing, not
proofreading.

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Well, writing.
My own fault.

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I'll be doing that.
This weekend.

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Ohh, quite hilarious.
Golden week one, I've got to

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write my report.
For writing this is where my

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mind place was when I was doing
my reports right clearly,

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because I was still so in year
three, right in in year three,

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we did Sikhism and I remember I
absolutely loved that whole

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unit.
I remember thinking to myself,

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I'm not very religious person.
I remember thinking after this

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season, this religion, I can I
can I really like the whole idea

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of service and the community and
helping people like that.

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So whenever we've been Davari
now, because obviously in the

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chat.
So we do a lot of Christianity,

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everything of RI think of
Christianity, then we do it.

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Sexism.
That's lovely.

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Yeah.
So in year four now, I mean,

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year four, we do Hinduism, which
is another big religion.

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And I remember teaching about
Hinduism and the beliefs of

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karma and reincarnation.
Yeah.

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Well, karma reincarnation,
although my dears and I was

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like, this is cool.
Isn't all really good?

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Ari is really cool.
We get to know all these

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cultures.
You have nothing to know about

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others.
And we talked about how Rishi

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Sunak's Hindu.
Is he?

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Yeah, he's Hindu, the first
practising Hindu to become Prime

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Minister and all this really
cool chat about Hinduism.

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So I was writing my reports
away.

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I've done all my reports, I've
done all my mass reports, I've

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just got a few bits and bobs to
do now to finish off because I

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share them with Amy, obviously
my job share and she just

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messaged me yesterday going.
Have you done your reports?

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And I was like, yeah, she's
like, Oh yeah, I thought you'd,

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because, you know, we did, we
know we did Hinduism this year,

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not Sikhism.
I'd written Sikhism and then

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every single report and I said,
I he really, he really does

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grass the understanding of the
Sikh religion and the culture

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and the ideas of reincarnation
and the ideas of karma.

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So I got all these, I got all
the individual parts of Hinduism

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correct.
I just called it.

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Egoism.
OK, because.

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Of that, yeah.
Yeah.

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So I just literally labelled the
seekers because I was like

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seekers him.
What a lovely.

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Religion.
Much further idea of you making

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up 32 statements for all your
kids about how much they love,

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completely exposing that none of
it's real.

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Because they didn't do it.
The 5K's, they know all about

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the 5K and how they wear the
silver bracelets and all that.

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Yeah, all that.
Gonna carry a sword.

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And I don't think that's it.
That's how Linda was actually.

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So I got it right.
But I'd literally I'd written

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season every single one because
I'll go and change.

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That right now so would you know
my.

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Speakers.
And it says here that you

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understand the culture of it.
So what can you tell me about

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it?
Yeah.

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So yeah, that was my story about
reports.

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Love that, very good, very you.
Have you got anything else?

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For you, so I was just gonna
reflect on it's a less funny

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thing a few a funny thing.
I can't say the word last.

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Think you're fine?
My mind think you'll find the

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word is.
Lesser, lesser, lesser few funny

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but want to our business for a
minute because we don't talk.

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Cry these guys.
We look forward to that.

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We.
Don't talk about it much.

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It's a big part of our.
Life, we're talking about

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flexible working and stuff and
job sharing all that.

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So it's kind of linked.
They're related.

456
00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,819
What do you wanna talk about?
Stick around and for after this

457
00:17:20,829 --> 00:17:22,980
boring bit when we can talk
about flexible work.

458
00:17:22,990 --> 00:17:26,040
You don't do the notes as if I
didn't just tell you so we can

459
00:17:26,050 --> 00:17:31,920
talk about I mean was that they
just check the notes over here.

460
00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:35,700
I think we're.
Flexible, working flexible.

461
00:17:35,710 --> 00:17:37,200
Working.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:38,650
But basically want to reflect on
it for a minute.

463
00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:40,980
It's a scary, scary time for us
to see how you feel because I

464
00:17:40,990 --> 00:17:44,480
feel like, you know, you find
these things a little bit more

465
00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,530
like it gets you, gets you
feeling some type of way when

466
00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:48,580
when we do.
This really good.

467
00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:51,940
Description of the word 10
seconds spray bottle.

468
00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:57,260
If you don't get that, listen to
episode 60.

469
00:17:58,530 --> 00:18:02,550
Ohh every something in the. 60s
or why not just all of the

470
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,930
previous?
All of the previous episodes,

471
00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:05,990
yeah.
Anyway, so we're at the point

472
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,990
now where we've we've grown a
little, we've gone part time

473
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,110
because of our little side
business that was just genuinely

474
00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,750
a side hustle for many years,
which was a bit of tutoring.

475
00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:16,870
And we've slowly grown it.
And we've always had the mindset

476
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,290
of totally risk free, really,
really slow building.

477
00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:22,680
We'll do everything ourselves,
even if it takes 10 times longer

478
00:18:22,690 --> 00:18:24,740
because we don't want to maybe
spend loads of money.

479
00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:27,860
We spend risk.
It, we spent like £200 when we

480
00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:29,790
started on that resourcing,
yeah.

481
00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:33,790
And then we've not put a single
penny of our own money into this

482
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,620
business since then.
We actually, we have, we

483
00:18:35,630 --> 00:18:37,310
actually have enough.
No, we've only, we've, so only

484
00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,150
time we've needed something,
even if we think it's a good

485
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,960
idea, like getting a new website
was a big thing for us, rather

486
00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:44,860
than what a lot of businesses
would do, which is they'd,

487
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:46,730
they'd get that investment,
they'd ever take out a loan or

488
00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:48,670
something because they know it's
going to pay dividends in the

489
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,930
future.
We were like, Nah, we'll always

490
00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:53,190
just save up first.
So if it takes us a year longer

491
00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,670
to get there, we'll do that.
We've always done that.

492
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,280
But recently we wanted to start
a bunch of a couple of new

493
00:18:57,290 --> 00:18:59,620
services and we've taken a new
leap.

494
00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:03,260
I think it's, I think if we
should like talk about it, but

495
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:08,120
what we aren't we, but it's been
3 minutes so, so basically we

496
00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:11,500
have built a bit of a team of
resource creators to help us

497
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:13,820
jumpstart these new services,
which would normally take about

498
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:15,210
two years to.
Create, well, because we just

499
00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:17,620
sit and creating ourselves.
So we've created every resource

500
00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:19,760
so far, just ourselves.
I think apart from a couple of

501
00:19:19,770 --> 00:19:22,640
things, I've outsourced people.
But mostly me and.

502
00:19:22,650 --> 00:19:24,810
You but yeah, now it's.
Exciting, kind of scary because

503
00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:27,210
spending loads of money
investing on in these people and

504
00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:29,730
the services don't exist yet.
But I would, I would say it's

505
00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:31,480
still the business money.
And it's because the business

506
00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:32,760
has grown.
The business has grown.

507
00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:34,490
It's allowed to invest as much
money.

508
00:19:34,580 --> 00:19:36,560
But you know, yeah, anyone else
has a business out there?

509
00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:38,870
It is, it is like it is just a
leap, isn't it?

510
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,860
Because at the end of the day,
that is our money because we've

511
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:42,590
earned it.
Yeah.

512
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,870
And it's our, you know, our
profits and our company and

513
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,470
stuff.
So either we're going to invest

514
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,810
it or we're going to take the
money.

515
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,370
And I think we've had the
mindset before of take the

516
00:19:50,380 --> 00:19:53,930
money, live a comfortable
lifestyle, reinvest when you can

517
00:19:53,940 --> 00:19:55,820
save.
And I think at this point we're

518
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:58,220
just like, let's just do.
I don't I wonder if there's like

519
00:19:58,230 --> 00:20:02,620
a bit of boredom comes into it
of, you know, we, you know, our

520
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:04,880
service, we, we teach here.
Of children and can't we do a

521
00:20:04,890 --> 00:20:07,800
little bit of your stuff?
We're now completely overhauling

522
00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:09,300
year four to be a complete
service.

523
00:20:09,310 --> 00:20:11,360
We're going to introduce year
six is going to be the whole

524
00:20:11,370 --> 00:20:14,160
idea of through through primary
school.

525
00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:17,200
Yeah, eventually thinking about
doing GCSEs and stuff like that

526
00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:20,640
and working in secondary school,
but it's just a hint of boredom.

527
00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:22,590
I don't know about you.
Like we've gone part time.

528
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,000
We've done that for a couple of
years now.

529
00:20:24,010 --> 00:20:27,480
I feel like I'm at the at the
cycle point of I need something

530
00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:30,470
else like and even if this
doesn't work then OK, well we'll

531
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,860
just carry on as we were then.
Like we'll build the money back

532
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:34,280
up anyway because of where we
are.

533
00:20:34,410 --> 00:20:36,050
Yeah, I agree.
I think it is important.

534
00:20:36,060 --> 00:20:37,780
I mean, we like that we are a
year goes past.

535
00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:40,820
If we don't do something new, we
tend to get a bit itchy, itchy,

536
00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:43,660
itchy feet.
Itchy Feet is definitely the

537
00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:46,590
saying.
And yeah, the only bad, bad news

538
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,590
for our listeners is we haven't
got for the podcast yet.

539
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,200
We keep putting a new episode
every week.

540
00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:53,080
I'll listen to #1 now what we
like.

541
00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:55,060
Ohh, God is annoying, isn't it?
So yeah.

542
00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:56,840
Are you happy you had your bit
about business?

543
00:20:56,850 --> 00:20:59,450
Yeah, I just want to reflect on
it and I was gonna see how you

544
00:20:59,460 --> 00:21:01,730
felt about it, but I suppose it
kind of links into the next

545
00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:02,760
chat.
Anyway, we're gonna talk about

546
00:21:02,770 --> 00:21:03,800
going part time.
Are we?

547
00:21:04,670 --> 00:21:06,720
So we're gonna play the Jingle
now.

548
00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:09,000
We're gonna talk about going
part time and flexible working

549
00:21:09,010 --> 00:21:11,100
and teaching and stuff.
But I do have a nice little

550
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:13,120
hypothetical question for you to
answer after this single.

551
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:19,010
OK, that sounds good.
Hey, then it's time to answer my

552
00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:21,470
hypothetical question.
You ready?

553
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:35,160
That sounds great.
That's the Django OK, ready.

554
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,880
Ohh.
I need you to take you

555
00:21:36,890 --> 00:21:38,460
seriously.
I thought this online.

556
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,860
You crack me up and I really had
to think about it.

557
00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:43,980
OK, I'm ready.
Because this, by the way, you

558
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:45,840
have to take this seriously
because this is an incredibly

559
00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:46,820
serious question.
OK?

560
00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:49,150
You're listening at home.
I want to know what you think.

561
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,800
Let us know.
Question.

562
00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:59,290
Would you rather stay exactly as
you are or I thought you got

563
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,330
now?
Yeah, exactly as you are.

564
00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:05,120
Or, umm, take six attempts at
bowling a strike for £100

565
00:22:05,130 --> 00:22:09,500
million and if you don't bowl a
strike you turn into a dog.

566
00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:20,770
Oh my God, what?
Sorry, would you rather say

567
00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:24,500
exactly as you are or take six
attempts at bowling, strike and

568
00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:27,400
if you don't bother strike you
turn into a dog?

569
00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:31,660
That is unbelievably complex for
some reason.

570
00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:34,140
Up until you said the.
Word dog.

571
00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:36,390
I was absolutely adamant that I
was going to take that one.

572
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,740
That race.
I was like, there's nothing he

573
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:38,850
could do.
You take away my whole life

574
00:22:38,860 --> 00:22:40,700
savings, whatever.
I take the risk for 100 million,

575
00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,920
turn into a dog.
I'm not so sure.

576
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:48,540
I'm not talking like I'm talking
about when, when when we say

577
00:22:48,550 --> 00:22:50,410
dog, you can't talk.
You're not talking dog.

578
00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:52,100
You are just a dog.
You are you though.

579
00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:53,680
Yeah, you are.
You and people around you would

580
00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:56,510
be like, ohh, missed that Hayden
at least at least he's ohh.

581
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,400
Look at him.
I bet he's a he's sad.

582
00:22:58,660 --> 00:23:00,840
Secondly, could I miss on
purpose?

583
00:23:03,930 --> 00:23:06,950
We're gonna be talking.
I don't really wanna.

584
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:11,410
Do I have to take the 100 mill?
I think they're.

585
00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:12,880
Serious Ebola striker in your
gut.

586
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:15,840
It's six.
You've got to strike it.

587
00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:18,100
God's sake.
God's sake.

588
00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:23,160
Give me 100 Mel.
Oh my God, I don't if if this

589
00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:26,730
was dead serious.
You mean it because because

590
00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:27,840
it's.
Hey, I'm asking you right now.

591
00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:29,970
I've got it set up.
I've got the bar now set up in

592
00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:31,790
the other room.
I've got the dog's body.

593
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,290
Imagine what the dog's body out
there ready for your soul to.

594
00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:37,730
Is it currently alive?
Yeah, he's going to swap.

595
00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:45,860
Will become the David David.
Do you see more stock?

596
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,860
I think, but how much was it?
100 million hundred hundred mil.

597
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:52,910
100 mil, one strike out.
I'm pretty.

598
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,870
Bloody good at bowling, I'll
tell you that.

599
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,620
Have your bowling with the pause
of a dog.

600
00:23:58,850 --> 00:24:02,440
I'm joking there.
I think I would do it.

601
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,460
No, wait.
No.

602
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:04,860
No barriers.
No barriers.

603
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:06,870
No, no.
Barriers want to look at me.

604
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:08,360
I look like someone needs
barriers.

605
00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:10,080
But on your turn into a dog and
you're OK with that?

606
00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:11,120
I won't turn into dog, I'll get
this.

607
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:16,090
Right, you really have picked
like the wrong sport here.

608
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:19,470
Are you a secret bowling?
Fanatic any sport baby backs.

609
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,810
Throwing.
Just don't do something with my

610
00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:24,720
feet.
Just do anything we have to

611
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:26,780
bend, please, because I won't be
going back up.

612
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,940
Ohh, I don't know.
I think I would.

613
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:31,780
I think I'd do it.
No way.

614
00:24:32,250 --> 00:24:36,080
So you've got a child and you go
sorry darling, I'm gonna try and

615
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:37,660
strike 100 mill if.
Not bark.

616
00:24:37,670 --> 00:24:40,000
Bark, no.
If not, If not, you're doing the

617
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:41,540
challenge as well.
You'll be a dog with me.

618
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:44,420
No, no, no, it's just you.
But if not, you do get a nice

619
00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:45,820
family pet.
Would you not take it?

620
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:48,930
No, absolutely not.
No, you're making me doubt

621
00:24:48,940 --> 00:24:49,910
myself.
I'm doing that.

622
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:51,640
I'm doing it, baby.
Live life on the edge.

623
00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:53,440
Of the life of a dog is alright
in it.

624
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:55,660
Yeah, Short, short.
Though which dog you are.

625
00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:57,620
That's, that's part of the
question, I suppose, is what

626
00:24:57,630 --> 00:24:59,850
kind of dog would you be and not
a street dog.

627
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,500
As in, like what breed you
choose?

628
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:05,450
To breed at least, OK, you'd be
a golden retriever in a loving

629
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,330
family.
But you, you can't talk.

630
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,780
You can't talk, though.
And and there's one person in

631
00:25:09,790 --> 00:25:12,140
the family who does Tuggy
cholera bit too much when I was

632
00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:12,950
looking.
OK.

633
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,670
Like a bit like that's why can I
bite them?

634
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,850
No, no, no.
Yeah, I'm doing it, I'm doing

635
00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:21,060
it.
I'll get a strike and I'll take

636
00:25:21,070 --> 00:25:24,020
the 100 mil walk away by ten
10,000 golden retrievers.

637
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,450
And implant myself into all of
them like a horcrux.

638
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,720
All of them.
I mean, someone tries to,

639
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,630
someone tries to destroy me,
they have to destroy themselves

640
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,250
at the same time.
That's how it works.

641
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,380
Followed Waldemar through.
Yeah, OK, Baltimore as the kids

642
00:25:37,390 --> 00:25:38,100
call me.
Thanks to you.

643
00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:39,760
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah, that's been a

644
00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:41,420
while since you mentioned that.
Yeah.

645
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:43,410
But it wasn't mentioned it.
I hear it every day though, so

646
00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:46,250
thanks for that.
Right, guys, let us know what

647
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:47,380
your answer that hypothetical
is.

648
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:49,500
And here's a quick another
Jingle.

649
00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:51,420
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not finished the question.

650
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:52,780
I've got one more typical.
Back to you.

651
00:25:52,790 --> 00:25:54,480
OK.
How many bowls?

652
00:25:54,490 --> 00:25:58,360
2 how many, how many bowling
attempts would you have to be

653
00:25:58,370 --> 00:26:04,110
given until you take this deal?
Like would you do it for if you

654
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,250
had 10 attempts, would you would
you take it?

655
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,360
When is it no longer?
A risk to you?

656
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:11,740
OK, let's work backwards.
If I had 100 attempts, I'd do

657
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:13,280
it.
Yeah, OK, There's no way you're

658
00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:14,940
getting.
Straight on 100 hundred if I

659
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:17,560
went bowling if I-10 games of
bowling, I'd get straight yeah

660
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:20,380
Now I I actually think in a
single game of bowling I'd get

661
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:22,840
straight yeah but would I risk
it becoming.

662
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:26,000
A dog no.
So that's like 20/20/20 ish

663
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:27,580
isn't it?
Because you know, we do 2 per

664
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:30,380
two guys for a strike.
Hayden strikes first goal or

665
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:32,070
nothing.
Yeah, you're gonna get 10

666
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,280
attempts to strike, but if you
haven't been getting a strike,

667
00:26:34,290 --> 00:26:36,660
you've got up to like 20 goes
until you've got until you run

668
00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:38,140
out of goes to get a striker,
no.

669
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:40,350
You can't if you have a.
If you bowl and don't get a

670
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,970
strike, your next one can't be a
strike.

671
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:44,060
You only get 10 attempts at
strike.

672
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:48,200
Ohh yeah, you idiot.
Ohh.

673
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:49,620
In that case I won't be taking
it.

674
00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:52,360
What if the first one hits
nothing?

675
00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:56,790
Does it count as night despair?
I'm so good at bowling, by the

676
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,040
way.
How are the rules working?

677
00:26:58,050 --> 00:26:58,580
Please?
Why?

678
00:26:58,590 --> 00:27:00,060
It's not technically, it's
right.

679
00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:01,490
We are gonna pay the go now.
We're gonna get into.

680
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,560
The actual hang on before the
jungle.

681
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:08,850
Let's play the Jingle.
A couple of years ago we went

682
00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:12,690
part time, and part time in a
school is one of two things

683
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:14,690
usually.
So obviously part time means

684
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:16,310
less time in school.
Either part time or full.

685
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,930
Time.
Yeah, well, part time Hayden

686
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:21,230
means one of two things, either
as a teacher, maybe in in

687
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,990
secondary school is different
obviously because it's different

688
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,570
periods you have already
scattered timetable.

689
00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:27,210
But in primary school it tends
to be either you are a maths and

690
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:29,600
English set teacher and you go
in every morning five days a

691
00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:31,430
week and you do English and
maths every day.

692
00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,590
Or you share an entire class
with another person and one of

693
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,660
you does three or four phase one
of you does one or two days or

694
00:27:36,670 --> 00:27:37,880
something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

695
00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:41,850
We took the job share option of
we do three days a week.

696
00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:45,020
The good one.
The yeah, the lovely one and our

697
00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:48,200
job share partners do two days a
week and between us we're just

698
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:49,720
treated as one person in the
school.

699
00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:51,940
Yeah.
Now this whole episode is going

700
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:54,270
to be talking about flexible
working, flexible working and

701
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,390
also job shares because that's
where we have kind of our

702
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,330
speciality, I suppose.
So before we go into the Inns

703
00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:04,360
and outs of how flexible working
can actually work in a school

704
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:07,160
and the limitations are much
different to other jobs and the

705
00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:08,830
impact it might have on
recruitment and retention and

706
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,270
things like that, I wanted just
to reflect on our actual real

707
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,460
life experience of flexible
working.

708
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:17,940
So we put in, we put in a
flexible working request.

709
00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:20,730
We ended up getting our three
days a week.

710
00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:28,670
What did it do to you, Hayden?
That affected your enjoyment of

711
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,640
the job and your ability to, I
guess, stay in the job.

712
00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,610
What would have happened if you
were denied this request?

713
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:34,860
I would have quit for a.
Start.

714
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:36,060
Would you have, I'll be honest
with that.

715
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:37,400
Absolutely.
I probably would have probably

716
00:28:37,410 --> 00:28:40,010
have that one more year again
because we're quite risk free.

717
00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:41,350
Normally.
I would have been a bit like I

718
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,170
would have put myself out of it.
We were ready to quit though.

719
00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:45,420
Yeah, we did.
Kind of actually we did.

720
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:47,380
We did say to ourselves, didn't
we, if this was going to be

721
00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:49,800
denied, we were quick because we
were burning out.

722
00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:51,640
And, and that's what it did to
me, I suppose.

723
00:28:51,650 --> 00:28:54,350
It stopped me burning out.
And I don't want to pretend like

724
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,860
I was burning out just because
of the job.

725
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:58,340
It's because we were trying to
run a business on top of a full

726
00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:00,160
time teaching job, which we all
know is kind.

727
00:29:00,170 --> 00:29:02,960
Of which already people burnout.
From exactly and we're lucky at

728
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,340
our school where is a good
school and actually at other

729
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:06,790
schools.
I probably would have been long

730
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,840
burned out by that point.
Our school's pretty good anyway,

731
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:12,280
but we were still burning out.
So going part time for me, I

732
00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:15,330
guess saved my career a little
bit in terms of it kept me as a

733
00:29:15,340 --> 00:29:17,790
teacher for however long.
You know, I don't think I'll

734
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,450
always be teaching.
I do think there's gonna be a

735
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:23,450
point where we take the business
full time probably in the

736
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:26,130
future, but it certainly kept us
in a bit longer because it

737
00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:30,430
allowed us to take that middle
step of pure safety for us where

738
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,310
it was like, well, we know we're
going to make we're going to

739
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,080
make up the money from the
business that we run, but we

740
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:37,030
probably don't earn enough in
the business yet to go fully

741
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,990
like the full risk mode of
quitting.

742
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,840
So it was a nice safety net.
I don't would would you have

743
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:46,250
because obviously we thought the
three days a week option was

744
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,850
superior because we needed those
days at home.

745
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:52,820
Would you have taken the five
days a week doing mornings only

746
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:56,160
but finishing at lunchtime
option if that was the only

747
00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:57,740
other option?
Or would you have quit?

748
00:29:58,010 --> 00:30:01,050
If it was the only option I
would have taken it.

749
00:30:01,410 --> 00:30:03,720
However, I did not quit.
Yeah, I think so.

750
00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:07,220
I think so.
I do think however, that doing

751
00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:10,110
full days is superior to doing
every morning.

752
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,050
I think we talked about this a
long time on the podcast, but I

753
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:15,460
do think but mornings works for
some people, for example,

754
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:18,090
parents of slightly older
children who maybe are in

755
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,900
nursery all morning.
It's perfect.

756
00:30:19,910 --> 00:30:22,740
It's perfect, isn't it all?
Or childcare is easier for them

757
00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:24,140
to sort.
Out you can be done before the

758
00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:25,980
end of the school day basically.
You can see them and just do

759
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,130
half day, whatever it takes in
terms of that respect.

760
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:31,650
It does work for some people and
also it does kind of mitigate a

761
00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:35,290
lot of the stigma around job
share, which is that you're

762
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,850
teaching maths Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday and that progression

763
00:30:37,860 --> 00:30:39,130
clearly carries on for the
children.

764
00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:42,290
But you change teacher and that
that can be a problem and and

765
00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:44,270
that mitigates that completely
because it's set teacher.

766
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,170
You just teach them all the.
Time And I suppose there's, you

767
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:48,930
know, another huge perk of being
a set teacher is that if you

768
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:52,070
don't, if you're not tied down
to a class, any teacher

769
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,850
listening right now, I know
there's a lot of responsibility

770
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:57,430
and extra work that comes with
having your own class.

771
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:57,790
Right.
Yeah.

772
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,650
And on top of just planning for
the afternoon.

773
00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:00,030
Yeah.
Yeah.

774
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,790
So it's not just it's not just
planning and teaching the

775
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,250
afternoon, is it?
There is a lot of other stuff

776
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:05,520
you know.
Parents evening for a start.

777
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,670
Healthcare plans, you've got to.
Write yeah, you know, all of

778
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,070
those those jobs are kind of let
teachers do their parenting.

779
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:12,950
That's true.
They do, they do, but they might

780
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,050
not do it.
Some schools they might not

781
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:15,390
have, you know it's not going to
be their.

782
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,990
Class, but like it tends to be
an afternoon enrichment,

783
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,390
afternoon trips, things like
that.

784
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760
There's this pros and cons
because I've got I've no set,

785
00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:23,880
which is in our school, we have
set teachers to every morning.

786
00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:25,050
Yeah.
We also have job share people

787
00:31:25,060 --> 00:31:28,730
who dates so that there are pros
and cons to both and I do get

788
00:31:28,740 --> 00:31:32,180
that and I don't, I wouldn't be
reticent to say that, you know,

789
00:31:32,250 --> 00:31:35,080
set, set teachers do less.
I don't think that's true

790
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:36,220
necessarily.
No, sure.

791
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:39,280
Because I think the planning
Mass in English is much more of

792
00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:40,680
a job than planning the
afternoon.

793
00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:42,280
So they're they're planning
more.

794
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,950
Yeah, I was trying to highlight
really got a question for you

795
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,130
then.
So thinking about just very much

796
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,990
about you, you've been part time
for two.

797
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,910
Years 2 1/2 years. 2 1/2.
I.

798
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,850
Ohh, no, no, no.
You started halfway through.

799
00:31:56,860 --> 00:31:59,470
You started in the September.
So you've done I've.

800
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,450
Been.
Has it been?

801
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:02,250
Has it been to and?
This is my third year, yeah.

802
00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:04,610
Crikey, yeah.
So you've done 2 1/2 years,

803
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:09,450
taught me through how you felt
at the start and how you feel

804
00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:11,760
now about it that might know
that's gonna be different or not

805
00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:14,660
and kind of what happened if it
is different about like the day

806
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:16,280
one of going part time, how did
you feel?

807
00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:17,460
Unbelievable.
Yeah.

808
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:21,910
And it was, it was crazy because
again, do you know, we we always

809
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,530
talk about how if you get out
the classroom every year that

810
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,950
goes by, you kind of become more
removed from what it's like

811
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,830
being in the classroom.
Yeah, I absolutely think that

812
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,800
this is happening to me with
being a full time teacher.

813
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:35,170
So I talk about burnout.
I talk about things like that.

814
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:38,280
I am every year that goes past,
I'm another year away from

815
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:40,660
actually experiencing what it's
like to work all week in a

816
00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:43,300
school because it is insane in
terms of in terms of mental

817
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:45,840
load.
So for me going to do a job,

818
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:50,910
share, it honestly transformed
my looking back, my mental

819
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,410
health because it happened after
COVID and there was a lot of

820
00:32:55,420 --> 00:32:57,770
stuff going on in COVID.
I think that I kind of just

821
00:32:57,780 --> 00:33:00,510
suppressed the little bit like
the whole idea, like the world

822
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,330
felt like it was falling apart,
was affecting everyone,

823
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:04,470
obviously.
And we talk about how, ohh, we

824
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,330
got some time at home, wasn't
that nice, and we had our own

825
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:09,660
house and we had a garden.
So I know we were very lucky in

826
00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:11,950
terms of some people stuck in a
flat and it was incredibly

827
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,620
tricky mental health wise.
Yeah.

828
00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:16,250
So we had them benefits, but I
definitely suppressed a lot of

829
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:17,890
it.
And a lot of my stuff came out

830
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:19,850
in health anxiety around that
time.

831
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,980
I was really worried, I'm really
worried about my health.

832
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:23,260
Like the doctors.
Yeah.

833
00:33:23,270 --> 00:33:24,830
It was like going to the doctors
and getting stuff checked.

834
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,770
It wasn't even to do with COVID.
It was like other stuff.

835
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:29,160
And I'm like, ohh, I've, I've
got to have a lump in here and

836
00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:30,680
can you check that?
And then I'd get the doctor to

837
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:32,610
check it like 6 times even
though I already checked, it's

838
00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:34,100
already been scanned.
It's like it's fine.

839
00:33:34,150 --> 00:33:37,360
And we're years later now.
And I definitely think that was

840
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:39,980
linked to COVID and I definitely
think it was actually linked to,

841
00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:43,100
you know, incredible stressing
the job as well.

842
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:47,280
And when we, when I went part
time job share, it genuinely

843
00:33:47,290 --> 00:33:50,480
transformed my outlook and my
day-to-day stuff.

844
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:54,110
It didn't just change my work,
it changed how I was at the

845
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,570
weekend because I had more time.
It impacted everything to do in

846
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:57,520
my life.
I was just happier.

847
00:33:57,530 --> 00:34:01,110
Yeah, straight away.
And I would say that, you know,

848
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,250
kind of LinkedIn with that is
the fact you didn't go part time

849
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:05,630
as quickly as I did.
Yeah.

850
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,570
So obviously we were both hoping
to go part time.

851
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:09,110
We could both spend time in the
business.

852
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,530
So we kind of stalled going full
send on the business until we

853
00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:14,540
were both off.
I was two times behind Dylan,

854
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:16,050
for context.
He went in September and I went

855
00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:17,770
in January.
Yeah, he had two terms without

856
00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:18,550
me.
Yeah.

857
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,290
It was just because of like
situations of job sharing and

858
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,429
stuff like that the people are
doing.

859
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:23,760
Was always ready to go in
September.

860
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:26,920
So those, those from September
to December, I think that was

861
00:34:26,929 --> 00:34:28,340
2021.
Hmm.

862
00:34:28,969 --> 00:34:33,630
That was probably my favourite 3
months ever of, of like Jane of

863
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,880
like life.
Because you know, anyone who

864
00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:38,310
knows I'd won millionaire, I'd
one who wants to be millionaire.

865
00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:41,610
So I had, I had that financial
stability which was huge and a

866
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:43,679
massive thing that we're kind of
not even brought up yet is that,

867
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:46,469
you know, flexible working
doesn't mean you are less had

868
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,760
that financial stability.
I want to play golf on my

869
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:51,310
Thursdays, knowing I was playing
golf when I would have been

870
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,560
really stressed, trying to make
sure, you know, everything's

871
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:55,840
done and I'll have a break time
and I can just get my lunch prep

872
00:34:55,850 --> 00:34:57,500
because I've got to go and do
one afternoon.

873
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,360
I said I just went and played
golf.

874
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,700
Yeah, with my mate who was off
and I just chilled out.

875
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:06,220
And that reset helped me
massively every time we needed

876
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:08,440
it.
Yeah, because we'd spent, we'd

877
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:11,930
spent the three years before
that not just working part time.

878
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:13,500
Sorry, not just working full.
Time.

879
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,670
So I'm not exaggerating, I'm
exaggerate a lot, so I'm trying

880
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,570
not to exaggerate here.
I'd say we spent the three years

881
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:24,940
before that working seven days a
week for like for at least 90%

882
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:25,650
of the weeks a.
Year.

883
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:27,580
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Genuinely like because we did

884
00:35:27,590 --> 00:35:29,790
our full time job obviously and
then we run the business on the

885
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480
weekends and evenings.
We treat half terms like

886
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:34,860
finally, time for business.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

887
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:37,520
It was crazy.
And we were just burning out

888
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:39,920
because we know it's just mad.
I agree.

889
00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:41,860
By the way, the same sort of
experience at the start, it was

890
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:44,260
just like pure euphoria where I
was like, I can't believe I'm

891
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:45,340
not at school.
It felt naughty.

892
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:46,800
Didn't.
Yeah, we felt like we couldn't

893
00:35:46,810 --> 00:35:48,470
go out.
People might see us, like my

894
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,720
question went to school.
Yeah.

895
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:52,160
But you know, we, we started
things like Wednesday night

896
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:56,270
beer, you know, Wednesday.
After school.

897
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,650
Became our Friday yeah, so we
have that went.

898
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:04,430
Didn't It didn't last long.
But being but how do you?

899
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:06,560
Do you feel the same now or has
it changed?

900
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:09,300
Yeah, it's changed massively.
It's, it becomes the new normal,

901
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:10,920
doesn't it?
And this, this is the worry

902
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:14,500
about it.
I, I still think it's, I, I'm a

903
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:16,180
much better level than I ever
was, right.

904
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:18,570
So we peaked at like the four
over and we did it.

905
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,160
It's never gone back to what it
was beforehand, I think.

906
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:24,200
And if you're at home thinking,
God, I am so burnt out.

907
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:27,620
And if you look at just do the
maths and see what your impact

908
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:30,940
on actually have on your salary,
because dropping dropping two

909
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:32,980
days is 40% of the time you're
in school.

910
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:36,950
It doesn't translate to a 40%
drop in what you earn just

911
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,810
because of the.
Tax was around 25%.

912
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,890
Yeah, take home pay.
Yeah, so just just, I know money

913
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,610
is really tight at the minute,
but just look at what you'd

914
00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:46,310
actually lose and see if there's
ways that you can kind of make

915
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,350
that money up.
A lot of people could make that

916
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,320
money up or at least a chunk of
it through just doing a couple

917
00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:52,970
of hours of private tutoring,
find one or two clients like

918
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:54,920
you, you could make up a nice
chunk of that money.

919
00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:56,830
So that's what I'd say to anyone
listening now going, well, of

920
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,240
course these guys could do it.
Then the business, I think it's,

921
00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:02,170
I think it's very viable for a
lot of people and the mental

922
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,070
health impact is insane and it
raise up your mind if you're

923
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,420
thinking now I can't tutor
because I'm working full time

924
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:11,380
and I'm getting so stressed out.
That would transform with those

925
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:12,740
days off.
And you can use those days off

926
00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:14,800
at your leisure just to spend
some hours, you know, finding

927
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:16,320
it.
So yeah, I mean, it's different

928
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:19,420
now because I look at the three
days and, and I honestly think I

929
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:21,120
could, I could, I'd be happy
with two days now.

930
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:23,440
Yeah.
Because yeah, the business is

931
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:24,490
growing.
We've got other stuff you want

932
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,340
in the business, but also just
like, you know, I, I'd look at

933
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:30,080
it and, and again the drop every
time you drop because you've got

934
00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:32,200
a tax free allowance of about 12
1/2 grand.

935
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:34,360
So you can earn that much before
you're taxed.

936
00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:37,240
So every day you drop off,
you're losing taxed income.

937
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:40,360
That's why it's not and not the
untaxed income.

938
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:44,010
So again, if you dropped one
more day, that's a 1/3.

939
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:46,090
Drop in how much you're in
school, you'll pay.

940
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,490
Would not go down by a third.
You pay might go down by 20%

941
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:50,960
again, about 1/4 again I think.
I think 3rd to 1/4 is actually a

942
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:53,540
really good ratio in terms of
dropping down and compared to

943
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:55,820
your actual take home pay drop
is about 1/4, not 1/3.

944
00:37:56,470 --> 00:38:01,040
So something to consider, but
what I would say is it really,

945
00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:03,840
really worked for me and I'll
come back to you in a second.

946
00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:05,290
I and I know it worked for you
though.

947
00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:08,990
And I would say that if flexible
working wasn't something that we

948
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,660
could do as teachers, we'd be
another one of the statistics.

949
00:38:11,730 --> 00:38:14,140
And at the end of the day,
recruitment and retention is an

950
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:17,160
insane problem.
This kept us in the profession

951
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:21,420
that we literally love.
So, you know, we moan a lot

952
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:23,900
about it because we love it and
we want to teach forever.

953
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,220
And I want it to be a really
enticing profession.

954
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:27,780
And there's only one reason I'm
still doing it.

955
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:30,960
And by the way, the thing that's
only thing that's drawn me out

956
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:34,340
of the teaching world as a
teacher is our education

957
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:35,820
business.
We are passionate about

958
00:38:35,830 --> 00:38:38,010
education.
So I, I don't know if it's

959
00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:40,880
something that can actually help
fix this retention problem

960
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:44,160
without doing too much extra
funding, which just isn't going

961
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:47,150
to happen, then I think it's
necessary and it's a good thing.

962
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,300
What about you?
What you thought?

963
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:50,180
I don't have too much more to
add really because I think we

964
00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:52,220
had a similar experience.
I just want to really make it

965
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:55,580
clear that once that honeymoon
period was over of us going part

966
00:38:55,590 --> 00:39:00,330
time, I did very much return to
a similar state as before, like

967
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,840
you said, a new normal.
The difference being I wasn't as

968
00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:06,500
physically and mentally drained
anymore.

969
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:08,700
That's that's the difference.
But in terms of my happiness,

970
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:10,930
and people often don't want to
talk about happiness or they

971
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:13,120
feel they have to pretend I'm,
oh, I'm happier now because of

972
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:16,520
this things like I am no happier
than I was when we were full

973
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:20,080
time running a business.
Genuinely, I'm no happier, but

974
00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:22,470
I'm not as worn out.
I think that's probably the way

975
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,920
to put it.
So I'm still glad I did it.

976
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:28,740
But you know, the high did come
back down and I'm a new state of

977
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,910
that.
We've watched those.

978
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,960
Happiness is relative, isn't it
is relative, completely

979
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:33,560
relative.
You could not work at all and be

980
00:39:33,570 --> 00:39:36,120
exactly as happy as you are
right now or you could, you

981
00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:38,730
know, there are other factors.
So I think it's important to

982
00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:40,830
keep in mind, we have this next
conversation about flexible

983
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,450
working and how it's not an
automatic fix is that's kind of

984
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:46,620
what we're saying.
But in terms of stress, in terms

985
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:50,360
of burnout, in terms of
exhaustion, that can link to

986
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:52,210
happiness, Obviously we're not
as stressed and not as burnt

987
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:52,960
out.
You're not going to be

988
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:56,170
absolutely, absolutely right.
So less of the negative, less of

989
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:57,560
the negative emotions.
Put it that way.

990
00:39:57,570 --> 00:40:00,450
My baseline is still about the
same, but I don't feel as

991
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:02,990
stressed and negative as I as
regularly as I was feeling.

992
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,430
Because there's something insane
looking.

993
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,930
I I look back at my, there was
always the same point in the

994
00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:11,330
year when I was working full
time when I would say to you, I

995
00:40:11,390 --> 00:40:12,730
don't wanna do this anymore.
Yeah, I'm gonna.

996
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:14,170
I'm gonna.
I'm gonna quit and it was

997
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:15,890
basically the end of every big
time.

998
00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:17,330
Yeah.
So getting towards the end

999
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:18,680
towards Christmas, I'm like, I
can't do it.

1000
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:22,470
I'm so tired end of Easter and
in the summer I can't do this

1001
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,460
anymore.
But I have genuinely not had

1002
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:28,850
that feeling of I am exhausted
at the end of the term.

1003
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:30,880
Oh my God.
Like complete exhaustion.

1004
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:32,600
Yeah, obviously end of the time
he gets tired.

1005
00:40:32,610 --> 00:40:34,760
We still work, you know, we
still work and still have a

1006
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:37,150
break in the half time now, but
I I haven't it's not been.

1007
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,860
The same being part time has
highlighted how how stressful

1008
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:43,370
the job of teaching is.
Yeah, and some people listen to

1009
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,570
this and I know my mates
probably ohh teaching you're

1010
00:40:45,580 --> 00:40:47,460
really hard job as if there's
not other hard jobs.

1011
00:40:47,470 --> 00:40:49,030
I get it.
I'm never commenting on other

1012
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,160
jobs not being hard or hard.
I'm just saying teaching is.

1013
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:52,270
Really.
Well, the Instagram comments

1014
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,700
section I think you will, honest
to God.

1015
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:59,140
Yeah, but having our two days at
home where we work just as many

1016
00:40:59,150 --> 00:41:02,140
hours as we were doing a
teaching day because because we

1017
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:05,880
still need to put in the time.
I don't feel 10% as knackered

1018
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:08,600
after on a Thursday or Friday at
the end of the day as I do on a

1019
00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:10,340
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
When I'm at school, if that

1020
00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:12,580
isn't to me proof that
teaching's insane.

1021
00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:14,390
Like, I actually don't care,
other people say.

1022
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,510
Anymore it's so.
Exhausting is insane, So

1023
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,320
exhausting.
And I'm actually at the point

1024
00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:21,200
now where if someone honestly
just what had just has a

1025
00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:23,720
run-of-the-mill office job.
I'm not degrading your job

1026
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:26,180
whatsoever or saying it's not
important or what you're doing

1027
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:27,380
is is pointless.
Yeah.

1028
00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:30,700
What I am saying though is it is
not remotely as tiring as

1029
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:34,200
teaching 32 children all day
with the admin that goes around

1030
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:35,560
it.
Yeah, it just isn't.

1031
00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:38,320
I'm sorry it's more stressful.
Yeah, I agree.

1032
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,680
But if you're going to compare
it to like a Labour job or some

1033
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:42,590
sort, I don't know.
Probably different kind of

1034
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,180
exhaustion.
Different kind of education I

1035
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:45,570
find.
Actually the mental exhaustion

1036
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:46,640
more than the physical
exhaustion.

1037
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,340
A bit of physical exertion.
But what I'm saying with with

1038
00:41:50,350 --> 00:41:52,200
labouring, that would be a
physical exhaustion, physical

1039
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:54,940
which is different to teaching,
which is just an all out mental

1040
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:55,970
exhaustion.
Yeah.

1041
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:56,960
Yeah.
Like it's insane.

1042
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:57,790
Yeah.
It's weird, isn't it?

1043
00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:59,760
We're bum tricky job.
Yeah.

1044
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,730
So in terms of flexible working
in general, we literally live

1045
00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:04,840
flexible working and we're huge
advocates for it.

1046
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:09,630
And I suppose what I want to
talk about is the fact it's in

1047
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,680
the news at the minute as well.
That's why I wanted to have this

1048
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:13,470
podcast.
Before they working week well.

1049
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,510
Yeah, you talked about that.
You said the Green Party

1050
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,970
manifesto has come out, the
Green Party, Let's be clear,

1051
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:21,570
we're not gonna get into power.
But what, what these kind of

1052
00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:23,910
fringe parties can do is just
put stuff in the discourse.

1053
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,390
I suppose that's, that's yeah,
100%.

1054
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,470
And the idea of, you know, four
day working weeks been around

1055
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,050
for a long time.
There's been trials and stuff.

1056
00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:32,710
And we've always, yeah.
But we've always talked about

1057
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,290
how education does just feel
different.

1058
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:38,250
It does just feel different.
So firstly, let's think about

1059
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:39,730
what's been in the news of
education.

1060
00:42:39,740 --> 00:42:42,340
Like what could we actually do?
What, what might flexible

1061
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:43,950
working look like?
And we talked about going part

1062
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,370
time.
That's the most obvious version

1063
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:47,300
of flexible working.
But I've seen some other bits

1064
00:42:47,310 --> 00:42:49,100
and I'm gonna, I'm gonna send
them to you and you're gonna

1065
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:51,780
tell me what you think.
Yeah, I've seen, I've seen a

1066
00:42:51,790 --> 00:42:56,150
school in the UK who said every
single Friday school finishes at

1067
00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:58,040
half 12.
I was going to mention this.

1068
00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:58,460
As well.
Yeah.

1069
00:42:58,470 --> 00:43:00,600
So, you know, the school
finished half 12, go home,

1070
00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:02,660
whatever, crack on.
Yeah, that's a good idea.

1071
00:43:02,670 --> 00:43:04,780
Or not.
I, I like the idea.

1072
00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:06,960
I read that article and I read
into a bit more detail.

1073
00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:09,360
There's some quotes from some
teachers that were like, oh,

1074
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:12,520
it's great because now you know,
I get the odd long weekend away

1075
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:15,060
now because I'll go out, I'll go
away on the Friday, literally

1076
00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:17,650
like lunchtime and go away
Friday, Saturday, Sunday and

1077
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:18,940
come back.
And it's really, really nice for

1078
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:19,840
that.
And I was like, that's, that's a

1079
00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:22,290
cool idea.
But then I read in the same

1080
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,040
article that and I don't know
why I'm surprised.

1081
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:27,080
Obviously this is happening, but
they all they've done is

1082
00:43:27,090 --> 00:43:28,780
condense all of those hours into
the week.

1083
00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:30,660
Yeah, it's the same amount of
working hours.

1084
00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:32,900
It's just that Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday with a

1085
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:34,580
longer days.
That's what the four week is, by

1086
00:43:34,590 --> 00:43:36,500
the way, four day week is
because I don't know a lot.

1087
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:37,280
I'm very.
Naive.

1088
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:37,940
A lot.
A lot of it.

1089
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:39,550
Some of it's not.
Some of it's the same of time,

1090
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,130
but some of it Is 10 hour days
for four days OK instead of

1091
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:44,180
eight hour days for five.
Days, so I want that.

1092
00:43:44,190 --> 00:43:47,540
That made me, I don't know if
this is right, rightful emotions

1093
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:49,160
or not, but I was a bit like,
oh, it's just a gimmick.

1094
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:50,670
Then it's the same amount of
work.

1095
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960
I'm going to be just as tired.
I'm just condensing it into

1096
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:55,880
different days and then I
thought or would I and actually

1097
00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:57,270
I don't know.
So this is where I want to hear

1098
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,340
what your opinion.
Is no, I I've thought really

1099
00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:01,590
interesting.
I read about it too and I saw

1100
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,890
they made the days longer
because I thought initially when

1101
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:07,330
I saw this, I thought, yeah,
they've just made Friday PA Hmm.

1102
00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:10,010
And like, you know, but no, they
school literally.

1103
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:11,920
Closes then.
I basically worked in a school

1104
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:13,310
that did this didn't.
I Yeah.

1105
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,920
I worked.
I worked in a school once he was

1106
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,190
as a free.
School.

1107
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,650
So when you said you don't know
how you feel?

1108
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:19,440
Yeah, it wasn't exactly like
this.

1109
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:22,510
It was a bit different, but.
You mentioned this before

1110
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,870
because you had basically
finished.

1111
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,090
You started early every day and
finished earlier every.

1112
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,480
Day finished later.
Sorry.

1113
00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:28,560
Sorry.
The school finished there, but

1114
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:29,010
you didn't?
Yeah.

1115
00:44:29,020 --> 00:44:30,860
So the kids came in at 8:15.
Yeah.

1116
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:34,140
And they finished at four.
Yeah, but you didn't.

1117
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:35,960
But I didn't on every day.
So they did that Monday to

1118
00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:37,400
Thursday.
So from the kids perspective, it

1119
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:40,140
was 8:15 till 4:00 Monday to
Thursday, and on a Friday it was

1120
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:42,680
8:15 until 3:15.
That was a bit more of a normal

1121
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:44,280
day.
So it's not even shorter the

1122
00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:44,760
last.
Day No.

1123
00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:46,540
For the kids.
For the kids it wasn't, but for

1124
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:50,990
the teachers we had to do to to
do the Friday was normal.

1125
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,670
We just everyone had to do
Friday is normal.

1126
00:44:52,750 --> 00:44:54,850
But for the four days that were
a bit weird, that went to a

1127
00:44:54,860 --> 00:45:00,550
4/4/15, 4:00, whatever it was we
had to do 8:15 until 2:00 on two

1128
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,290
of the days, Yeah, 8:15 until
4:00 on two other.

1129
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,110
Days right so this you're just
told my PA.

1130
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:09,300
Ohh yeah, it was.
Yeah, so so.

1131
00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:10,960
I think it's a finish earlier.
No.

1132
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:13,000
So this, this, this whole thing,
the thing I was gonna say here

1133
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:16,450
is I thought it was just P on a
Friday, but it's not, right.

1134
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:18,150
This is the whole school where
it's condensed.

1135
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,180
Ohh yeah.
Into 4 1/2 days and then PPA

1136
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:23,560
still within that.
So it would still feel good.

1137
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:26,670
What I was going to say about
this example here of flexible

1138
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,260
working, leaving early on a
Friday is great.

1139
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:30,440
And it might work for a lot of
people.

1140
00:45:30,450 --> 00:45:32,160
It might be, it might be, it
might be sound.

1141
00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:36,220
It might be a great idea, but it
only works if the outer workload

1142
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:39,140
is also reduced.
If the workload we have to do

1143
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:42,310
outside of the job is still just
as much as in lots of schools

1144
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,160
where it's a problem.
Yeah, then all you're doing is

1145
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:46,900
just stretching out the day even
more because the day is already

1146
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:47,960
longer.
As a teacher, Yeah.

1147
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:50,350
Name one teacher who actually
finishes at 3:15 when the school

1148
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,140
finished.
Of course they don't.

1149
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:53,400
They finish at 5:15.
So if you're making the day

1150
00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:56,070
finish at 4:15, all you're
actually doing to a teacher is

1151
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,120
making that day finish at 6:15
on those.

1152
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:00,650
So that's even more stressful.
So if you're going to have these

1153
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:03,720
longer days as a teacher, that
might work in an office when you

1154
00:46:03,730 --> 00:46:05,190
go in early, leave early, but
that's it.

1155
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,480
Yeah.
As a teacher, that doesn't

1156
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:08,530
necessarily work if you have
these longer days because you'll

1157
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:10,700
have to spend an hour prepping
in the early in the morning and

1158
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:12,770
you're gonna have to stay late
to do your marking and stuff.

1159
00:46:12,820 --> 00:46:14,930
So I don't necessarily think
this is the win.

1160
00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:17,230
But I'd be interested to hear
from people that have.

1161
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,030
I don't have anyone listening
has actually experienced that

1162
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,750
exact situation.
I know it's only like a couple

1163
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,360
of schools have done it, but I
don't know my, my gut feeling is

1164
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:27,510
my gut feeling is it would be
the exact same experience that

1165
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,780
we've had in the past, which is
would it would be a cool gimmick

1166
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:31,980
at 1st and there'd be a bit of
like whoa.

1167
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:34,070
And then it returned and you'd
feel exactly the same.

1168
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,830
Yeah, I think, I think it's
different to what we do because

1169
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,100
we literally dropped 2 days of.
Work No, I know, but I mean I

1170
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:40,100
just meant that that it might
feel good.

1171
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:42,540
I reckon a lot of people is so
much better, but give it a year.

1172
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:45,660
I my gut feeling is you're
probably because you are doing

1173
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:47,480
the same amount of work in the
week you're probably gonna.

1174
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:49,480
You're gonna feel worse on the
days when you do a longer.

1175
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:50,640
Right.
Yeah, it's gonna be absolutely.

1176
00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:53,000
But at the end of the day, you
can't argue with, you know, at

1177
00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:54,900
least something along the
weekend that's kind of cool.

1178
00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:57,180
Another thing.
So was it?

1179
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:59,160
This would require more funding
I suppose, but a lot of schools

1180
00:46:59,170 --> 00:47:02,540
give extra PPL already and it
was to make PPE for anyone who

1181
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:04,300
doesn't work in a school is
planning, preparation and

1182
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:07,230
assessment time.
As a teacher, you get 10% of

1183
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:10,540
your teaching time in a week is
given to you as time out of the

1184
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:12,820
classroom to prep stuff.
We've done jokes before about

1185
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:16,340
how that doesn't remotely cover
the time to prep, but so that

1186
00:47:16,350 --> 00:47:19,240
what that translates to is half
a day every week that teachers

1187
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:21,840
get out of the classroom.
And something that I've seen

1188
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:24,500
battered around lately just to
try and incentivise the job

1189
00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:26,970
again a bit more because, you
know, hybrid working isn't

1190
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:28,660
something that's possible in
schools and we'll talk about

1191
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:32,590
that, but is to have a whole day
of PA, just the whole day of PA

1192
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,310
where, you know, you're you,
your children are still in

1193
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,870
school.
So from a children's point of

1194
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,630
view, it's that a full week of
school, but their teacher is not

1195
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,450
in on Thursday, let's say, or
Monday or whatever it is.

1196
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,150
And that day, perhaps they have
sports coaches in the morning

1197
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:47,850
and they have, you know,
specialist musician music

1198
00:47:47,860 --> 00:47:50,240
teachers or Spanish teachers or
drama, whatever it is in the

1199
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:53,120
afternoon or even just normal
curriculum covered by a higher

1200
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:54,610
level teaching assistant,
whatever.

1201
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:58,340
And that really interests me a
lot more than the first one

1202
00:47:58,350 --> 00:48:00,560
because the first one, just
like, you know, moving jigsaw

1203
00:48:00,570 --> 00:48:02,440
pieces around.
Yeah, this one is actually

1204
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:04,620
putting some jigsaw pieces in
the bin and not having to do it

1205
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:05,240
anymore.
I agree.

1206
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:08,870
So this this one to me really,
really piques my interest.

1207
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,700
I don't know what you think
about having a whole day PPA.

1208
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:14,440
And the big thing for me was the
freedom to not have to come in

1209
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:16,540
on that day and, you know, do
whatever you want.

1210
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:18,120
To well, let's put the two
elements of that then.

1211
00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:21,540
So first of all, I think a whole
day PPA, even if you're in

1212
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:25,860
school, would have an enormous
impact on workload production.

1213
00:48:25,930 --> 00:48:29,330
I think it's a great idea.
I think it's mental that we've

1214
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:33,570
got to 2024 and we still the,
the, the powers that be still

1215
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:37,440
think 10% of time out of
teaching is enough to remotely

1216
00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:40,340
get anything done.
But doesn't just impact teachers

1217
00:48:40,350 --> 00:48:41,840
free time on the weekends and
evenings.

1218
00:48:42,090 --> 00:48:43,270
Whole day.
Great idea.

1219
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,100
We should absolutely be pushing
for that and fighting for that.

1220
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:50,030
Even better if you have that
flexibility to go home on PA.

1221
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,910
So let's just about in general,
what do you think about that in

1222
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,560
general, even schools that just
have normal PA, do you think it

1223
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:58,420
should be widely accepted and
normal to be able to just go

1224
00:48:58,430 --> 00:49:00,760
home during PPA and do what you
want in that time?

1225
00:49:00,770 --> 00:49:02,460
Or do you think it should be
something that's like, oh, you

1226
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:03,800
do what you want, but you gotta
stay in school?

1227
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:05,920
Cause yeah, I was gonna ask you
about this because it's

1228
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:08,670
something I've heard a lot of,
especially after since COVID,

1229
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,480
because in COVID time you wanted
to spend as little time as

1230
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:12,680
possible in buildings where
people.

1231
00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:14,310
So it was policy for a lot of
schools.

1232
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,700
Where go get out of you.
Literally have to go home.

1233
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:18,460
It's not even not even doing you
a favour.

1234
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:20,480
It's just don't spend a little
time this building as possible.

1235
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:21,900
Go home because you're not
teaching.

1236
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:26,250
I was going to ask you because
my gut instinct is it's a it's a

1237
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:29,480
really good idea to give the
professional, which is, again, I

1238
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:31,170
think it's something we forget a
lot of teaching.

1239
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,130
We are professionals.
We are a profession.

1240
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,250
We've been highly trained to do
this job.

1241
00:49:36,260 --> 00:49:38,770
Yeah.
And we are entrusted to, to plan

1242
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:41,550
and assess stuff mostly in our
own time anyway.

1243
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,490
So with that level of trust
should come the level of trust

1244
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,340
to do that as and when we wish.
Yeah.

1245
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:48,890
But what I was going to ask you
is so obviously, yes to me is

1246
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:49,980
the answer.
You should be able to take

1247
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:50,930
whatever you want.
Yeah.

1248
00:49:50,940 --> 00:49:53,630
What do you think though, about
schools where, let's be honest,

1249
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,700
right now, there are some
teachers who maybe are falling

1250
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:59,100
behind in their work, aren't
aren't doing their planning.

1251
00:49:59,110 --> 00:50:01,560
And you know, we can talk about
whether they should be planning

1252
00:50:01,570 --> 00:50:03,550
at home or not.
But the teachers who just need a

1253
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,720
bit more support aren't
necessarily following the school

1254
00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:09,560
ethos, let's say of planning all
the school guidelines of how to

1255
00:50:09,570 --> 00:50:12,720
do things correctly.
Where do you stand on a school

1256
00:50:12,730 --> 00:50:18,560
then using that almost as like a
not, I guess a punishment, but a

1257
00:50:18,570 --> 00:50:21,820
genuine way though to say, well,
we want to give you some

1258
00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:24,620
support.
OK, So not, not talking toxicity

1259
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:27,210
right now, which we all know
exist, I'm talking about schools

1260
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:28,280
like I want to give you some
support.

1261
00:50:28,290 --> 00:50:31,040
You've got some PDA time.
I wanna come and support you in

1262
00:50:31,050 --> 00:50:32,630
this planning.
Wanna come and help you as your,

1263
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,710
as your SLT.
Yeah, I wanna make you better.

1264
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,610
And actually you are
underperforming.

1265
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:39,810
So it's part of my job to make
sure it's making sure you're

1266
00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:42,560
performing.
What do you say to would you

1267
00:50:42,570 --> 00:50:44,650
then have to say to all your
staff, OK, no one can go home

1268
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:46,630
anymore?
Or would you have a two tier

1269
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,470
system?
Where?

1270
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:49,920
OK yeah you're fine to go home
but you need to stay here cause

1271
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:50,540
I'm helping.
You out?

1272
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:52,690
Yeah, No, I I am completely
against that.

1273
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:56,470
I think the fundamental issue
there is is the idea that SLT

1274
00:50:56,540 --> 00:50:58,380
get involved with your PBA, that
that's it.

1275
00:50:58,390 --> 00:51:00,660
To me I'm like Nope, PA are
protected.

1276
00:51:00,670 --> 00:51:05,410
Should be a protected time.
I think a good manager needs to,

1277
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,370
if, if there's a problem that's
out of the ordinary, then they

1278
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:10,220
need to do out of the ordinary
things to solve it.

1279
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:12,750
They need to take them out of
class in different times to do

1280
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,690
other things, to do various
training, to do meetings,

1281
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:17,070
whatever.
I don't think it should then be.

1282
00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:18,730
And it is basically a
punishment.

1283
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:21,910
It's everyone else gets this
freedom of PA, but you don't

1284
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,510
because you're not doing your
job good enough.

1285
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,570
So I'm going to take away the
bit of freedom you have and

1286
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:27,290
we're going to use that time to
solve it.

1287
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:29,350
I think it should be no, you're
entitled to that just like

1288
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,020
everybody else.
It doesn't that PA isn't

1289
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:33,810
dependent on how good you're
doing your job.

1290
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:36,330
I don't think it ever should be
having, you know, it should be.

1291
00:51:36,340 --> 00:51:37,870
There should be other processes
involved.

1292
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,040
That's what good managers to do.
So I've heard of schools doing

1293
00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:42,590
that and I do think it's toxic.
Think even if they try to say

1294
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,330
it's not toxic, I've heard of
schools that have that allow

1295
00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:48,410
their teachers to do P at home,
but haven't allowed some

1296
00:51:48,420 --> 00:51:51,090
teachers to do P at home or some
or something along those lines.

1297
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:53,230
I've had loads of schools that
do that just doesn't sit right

1298
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,410
as it doesn't sit right.
All I'm like, no, you're just

1299
00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:56,950
firstly, you're it's
embarrassing.

1300
00:51:57,020 --> 00:51:59,310
Two tier system.
Yeah, two tiers is embarrassing.

1301
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,620
It's like a weird, you've now
made PPA and meritocracy of like

1302
00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:04,320
some weird.
So it's as if they're not

1303
00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:05,720
entitled to it already, you
know.

1304
00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:07,720
Well, they both get the.
PA is what they might say.

1305
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:09,600
Yeah, but you don't if you're
staying in school because I need

1306
00:52:09,610 --> 00:52:11,500
you here to do.
Something but they're planning

1307
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:12,670
like it would have been just
gonna have.

1308
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,740
Support.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1309
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:16,880
I just think you did that.
And I thought he's gonna freak

1310
00:52:16,890 --> 00:52:18,460
out soon.
As I told you no.

1311
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:20,980
So in answer, absolutely not.
It should never be, never be

1312
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:22,140
done like that.
I think everyone should be

1313
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:23,980
entitled to PPA.
And I also think everybody

1314
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:26,310
should be entitled to have P at
home or do it wherever they

1315
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,280
wish.
And I don't think that should

1316
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:29,260
ever be questioned genuinely.
I think there's a single teacher

1317
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:33,490
that shouldn't have that
privilege because like you said,

1318
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:36,530
on average we do 20 hours
teachers on average, and this is

1319
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:38,870
a stat, it was 20 hours, 18.
Hours.

1320
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,470
It was between 10 and 20.
OK, I think it was around 20

1321
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,530
hours of overtime, free
overtime, extra overtime a week

1322
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,490
on average for teachers.
And if they are doing that to

1323
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,890
get their job done, who, what
manager on this planet is going

1324
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,290
to be like, ohh, if they take
their pet home, they might not

1325
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,930
do their bloody work.
They want to do work.

1326
00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:01,020
They might only choose to do the
20 hours they were going to do

1327
00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:03,750
anyway and not be we're going to
do in that time.

1328
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,940
But of course they're not.
Of course not.

1329
00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:08,890
Do you know what?
Even if they did go home and put

1330
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:11,010
their feet up, they're still
going to do the work.

1331
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:13,110
They'll do it at the weekend
when they do their other 5

1332
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,360
million jobs.
It's not going to not get done.

1333
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:18,020
And if it's not getting done,
then step in and sort it out.

1334
00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:19,570
Yeah, You're a manager.
Do your job at that point.

1335
00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:23,090
Yeah, Basically, yeah.
I find it hilarious because I

1336
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:25,740
guess that moves really nicely
into what I want to talk about

1337
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:28,400
in terms of hybrid working.
So you know what the government

1338
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:30,740
have done in the last few years.
And again, we cannot turn our

1339
00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:32,960
nose up at this because it's
obviously a good thing, right,

1340
00:53:32,970 --> 00:53:35,850
that they have raised the
starting salary to 50,000 lbs.

1341
00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:39,430
Yeah, they have decimated pay
for a long time because that's,

1342
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,560
that's the that's the context.
But yeah, you know, at least

1343
00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:45,300
they did bump up the starting
salary a decent amount to at

1344
00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:48,000
least try and catch up somehow.
They did something cool.

1345
00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:51,370
The bad news is it did nothing.
So there were recruitment

1346
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:55,860
numbers haven't improved.
So it was something like 500

1347
00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:58,330
extra teachers when you take
into account the people who left

1348
00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:00,720
teaching and the people who
trained to become a teacher.

1349
00:54:00,790 --> 00:54:04,020
We've got 500 more teachers like
this year, which is insanely

1350
00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:05,340
low.
We need way more.

1351
00:54:05,350 --> 00:54:07,310
OK.
I remember the 8.8% teachers

1352
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,560
left last year.
Yeah.

1353
00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:10,420
And that's not including
retirement.

1354
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:12,030
Yeah.
So when you include the people

1355
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,780
who trained, we missed the
training target.

1356
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,140
And because we missed the
training target, the net figure

1357
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:18,360
was like 500 more teachers.
We need way more teachers.

1358
00:54:18,370 --> 00:54:21,780
So that was completely wrong.
And a big reason that's being

1359
00:54:21,790 --> 00:54:25,520
touted as to why this is
happening is because teaching is

1360
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:28,920
kind of trapped in almost like
the Victorian era, I suppose,

1361
00:54:28,930 --> 00:54:30,740
but it's very much trapped pre
COVID.

1362
00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:34,370
And I'm not necessarily sure
it's teachings fault because I

1363
00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:37,410
think teaching has some
limitations as to whether hybrid

1364
00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:39,150
working can even be introduced
in the 1st place.

1365
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,470
So for a lot of professions now,
if you're a young professional,

1366
00:54:42,540 --> 00:54:45,330
the idea of being having some
kind of hybrid working model

1367
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:47,150
where you might go into the
office one or two times a week

1368
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,390
where necessary, but you can
crack on with your work at home,

1369
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,910
that's really appealing.
And way more common.

1370
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:55,330
Way more common now and and with
teaching you have just got to

1371
00:54:55,340 --> 00:54:56,670
turn up and teach you lessons
every day.

1372
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,230
You know, there are children who
come in because like it or not,

1373
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,310
a chunk of our job is childcare.
So people can go to work and

1374
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,590
society can function.
So, you know, it's not even a

1375
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,930
bad thing.
Of course we need the children

1376
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:08,140
in school.
And but the other part is that,

1377
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:11,720
you know, teaching is for face
to face purposes.

1378
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:14,060
That's how we do it.
We go in and we help children.

1379
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:15,670
We can do boosters and stuff
online.

1380
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,680
We can help children online, but
the hybrid model doesn't really

1381
00:55:19,690 --> 00:55:23,000
work with teaching.
So I guess my point here is how

1382
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:25,950
can we have flexible working?
How can we approach this?

1383
00:55:26,810 --> 00:55:30,100
But even when hybrid working is
something that can't happen.

1384
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:34,920
And the biggest kind of elephant
in the room right now is we

1385
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:37,780
already do hybrid working as
teachers.

1386
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:40,670
Like, you know, it wouldn't work
in terms of the full time job.

1387
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,920
We actually have everyone like
you can't do hybrid teaching.

1388
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:44,360
You gotta be in school for your
job.

1389
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:46,870
So oh, yeah, that's that's weird
because I do 20 hours of work a

1390
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,040
week at home.
Yeah.

1391
00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:51,120
So, you know, I could do work at
home as a hybrid teacher.

1392
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:54,340
So teaching is already hybrid
when you do a full time job

1393
00:55:54,350 --> 00:55:56,520
because you're doing lots of
work in your own time and

1394
00:55:56,530 --> 00:56:01,660
evenings and weekend.
How can we make this hybrid job

1395
00:56:01,730 --> 00:56:03,870
an actual hybrid job?
Or is it impossible?

1396
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,260
What you think?
I don't know.

1397
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:07,860
I don't know if there's probably
some wacky way that you could do

1398
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:11,000
it I haven't thought of, but
maybe just recognition of it.

1399
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:13,250
What do you mean for a start?
Like the fact that you're saying

1400
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:15,200
it already is hybrid?
But perhaps every Wednesday.

1401
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:18,330
And teachers, thank you for
doing the work.

1402
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:22,370
Maybe recognition that by
putting it into the job spec,

1403
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:25,470
maybe that, yeah, you do do work
at home in this time.

1404
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,330
It's hybrid working.
You do these things at home, but

1405
00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:29,210
you get paid for.
It, yeah, but that's that's

1406
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:30,300
funding.
So that's not gonna happen.

1407
00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:31,560
Yeah.
So no.

1408
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:34,120
So how do we do it?
I don't know if we can.

1409
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:35,630
Have you got any ideas?
No, not really.

1410
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,450
I think it's impossible.
I think we need to be in the

1411
00:56:39,460 --> 00:56:42,990
room for childcare.
Society needs to function.

1412
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,970
People are like ohh, teachers.
We're not.

1413
00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:46,890
We're not child carers.
Well, we are.

1414
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:48,830
There you are.
We are though, aren't we part of

1415
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:49,870
our job?
No idea.

1416
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:51,550
We were when we're at Centre
Parks.

1417
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,390
We went to a restaurant and do
you remember how we were served

1418
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,650
our food in the Mexican place?
Little Robot came over genuinely

1419
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:03,870
just just by itself, came over
all of our food on it, and then

1420
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,060
someone else came and gave us a
plate.

1421
00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:07,520
So a bit gimmicky, but.
Came over looking forward how

1422
00:57:07,530 --> 00:57:08,200
this is.
Gonna happen.

1423
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,690
I'm thinking invest in robots,
OK, with the funding we don't

1424
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:18,820
have, I will record from.
I'll just sit at home, OK, And

1425
00:57:18,830 --> 00:57:22,210
on the screen, prerecorded
lessons, robot goes around, does

1426
00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:24,500
my job.
I think that's the most insane

1427
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:26,830
thing you've ever said.
People are still listening.

1428
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:27,600
Work.
Thank you.

1429
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:28,920
Wouldn't work.
Yeah.

1430
00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:31,080
I guess the point I wanted to
highlight with that kind of

1431
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:33,720
hypothetical there is that we
already have a hybrid job.

1432
00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:36,690
It's just that it's one and. 1/2
you look online though everyone

1433
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:38,380
will be teaching your kids in no
time.

1434
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:40,150
It'll be robots before we know
it.

1435
00:57:40,330 --> 00:57:42,500
Well, I I.
Think I don't think it.

1436
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:45,540
Will give it 5 to 10 years.
Our kids are gonna have a

1437
00:57:45,550 --> 00:57:48,560
transformational experience.
Yeah, I absolutely change the

1438
00:57:48,570 --> 00:57:50,360
world changes.
Well, but yeah, you know, in

1439
00:57:50,370 --> 00:57:53,800
terms of flexible working going
back to it, I don't think

1440
00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:56,480
hybrids reasonable.
I don't think I don't I don't

1441
00:57:56,490 --> 00:58:01,700
think that it could possibly
work in schools unless for I

1442
00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:05,360
don't know how this would work,
but parents might have hybrid

1443
00:58:05,370 --> 00:58:07,780
jobs and therefore be able to
have their children at home

1444
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:09,410
certain days and they can do
work.

1445
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:12,600
But I don't think it will work.
I think the way forward flexible

1446
00:58:12,610 --> 00:58:16,960
teacher for flexible working the
teachers is to like we said

1447
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:20,500
longer PPA, yeah and then you
can be flexed with that job, but

1448
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:23,640
the kids are still in school
doing stuff and even that

1449
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:25,520
timetable change at the very
least is something that.

1450
00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:27,360
Could happen.
Well, OK, all right then in the

1451
00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:30,480
real world then here's how
flexible work, here's how I'm

1452
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:32,520
calling it flexible work.
I don't know it is really is

1453
00:58:32,530 --> 00:58:34,860
doing what we've done doing,
doing job shares, making job

1454
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:38,260
shares always, well, not always
some people don't want it, but

1455
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:41,880
making it more common that you
can have job shares where you go

1456
00:58:41,890 --> 00:58:43,660
in a certain amount of days and
someone else because they are,

1457
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:45,890
there's a massive stigma.
But that's not flexible working.

1458
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:48,250
With them it's not flexible
working, it's just.

1459
00:58:48,260 --> 00:58:49,820
Reducing because you get less.
Power.

1460
00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:51,900
Now I know, I know yeah, but you
know what at least in that

1461
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:55,920
scenario if for example, when we
when we wanted to go part time

1462
00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:59,850
when we were offered doing the
mornings or five days a week and

1463
00:58:59,860 --> 00:59:03,520
doing the three days a week
instead to me I'm like well the

1464
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:05,700
three days it feels more
flexible to do the three days a

1465
00:59:05,710 --> 00:59:08,210
week then I get 2 days back
rather than doing 5 days at work

1466
00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:09,440
still.
So at least in that scenario

1467
00:59:09,450 --> 00:59:12,340
there was a bit of a choice
there and I know that doing job

1468
00:59:12,350 --> 00:59:15,200
share in days is quite frowned
upon A lot of schools won't do

1469
00:59:15,210 --> 00:59:16,770
it.
They actually have a blanket or

1470
00:59:16,780 --> 00:59:18,490
like we don't have to take.
Jobs yeah we're really

1471
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:20,410
interested to know how many
people listening their schools

1472
00:59:20,420 --> 00:59:24,230
have a blanket no because I
think even our school at some

1473
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,930
point that there was like don't
like them they.

1474
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:28,190
Didn't want to have.
Them don't like them, you don't

1475
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,460
like them at all.
There is a stigma there with

1476
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,190
flexible work and that needs to
change.

1477
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,330
That has to change in teaching
education.

1478
00:59:34,420 --> 00:59:36,990
You, I'm not even going to
pretend that there aren't pros

1479
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,460
and cons.
And and when you say there are

1480
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:42,340
cons to a job share as a leader,
you'd be like, OK, well, don't

1481
00:59:42,350 --> 00:59:46,370
do them.
But I think the pros mean we

1482
00:59:46,380 --> 00:59:48,500
have to make it work.
We have to grow up.

1483
00:59:48,510 --> 00:59:49,890
We have to have a grown up
conversation about it.

1484
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:52,420
If you just have a blanket, no.
When your staff come to you and

1485
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:55,370
say, what about flexible working
a blanket, no, cool.

1486
00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:56,780
You're starting to burn out.
You gotta lose them.

1487
00:59:56,790 --> 00:59:58,170
Is that what you want?
I was about to say.

1488
00:59:58,180 --> 01:00:00,450
Is that what you want?
Is it probably sounds very like

1489
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,160
up yourself doesn't.
It no it sounds.

1490
01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:04,150
Like at the end of the day they
would have lost two members of

1491
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,370
staff.
They have lost me and you at

1492
01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:06,460
that point.
So the pro was kept.

1493
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:08,390
Members of staff that worked
here for years know the school

1494
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,600
and a bloody good.
We didn't do a podcast at that

1495
01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:14,820
point.
They regret.

1496
01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:17,660
Yeah, I don't know.
I think, yeah, flexible working,

1497
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:21,680
I can't, I can't think of a way
comparably with other jobs that

1498
01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:23,600
actually have flexible working
where you get to work.

1499
01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:25,700
I think it has to be built into
things that already exist.

1500
01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:28,820
I don't think children can be
spending less time in school.

1501
01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:30,740
Yeah, and that's, and that's my,
I think that's where a lot of

1502
01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:32,760
people draw a line.
And it's personally where I also

1503
01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:34,930
draw the line.
If if flexible working means

1504
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:38,640
that kids are learning from home
one day a week and it's forced,

1505
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:40,800
I think that's bad.
I think there should be

1506
01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:43,210
provision where children going
because we're seeing now, for

1507
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:45,210
example, Labour in their
manifesto have said about how

1508
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:47,350
they're going to have breakfast
club places that free.

1509
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,190
Yeah.
So if anything, we're expanding

1510
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,600
provision for children in school
and that's going to get

1511
01:00:52,610 --> 01:00:56,350
hopefully working people back at
work and childcare and things

1512
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,990
like that.
So I understand all of that.

1513
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:01,310
I think it has to be built in
where more bodies perhaps are in

1514
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,350
school, but for less time each
and.

1515
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,500
And the big one for me is PPA
all day because that doesn't

1516
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:10,670
affect the money you're getting,
right.

1517
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:13,930
It would be short, would cost
some money obviously to get

1518
01:01:13,940 --> 01:01:15,710
cover for those mornings and
stuff.

1519
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:20,560
But when we're talking about a
comparative to, you know, any

1520
01:01:20,570 --> 01:01:23,520
other option where children
aren't in school or or, you

1521
01:01:23,530 --> 01:01:26,880
know, ploughing us with money, I
think this is a cheaper option.

1522
01:01:26,890 --> 01:01:29,580
Idea about this and it is very,
very similar.

1523
01:01:29,590 --> 01:01:31,980
I'm not going to claim as I've
got some crazy new idea, but you

1524
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:36,100
know, job share, no, no, but and
this does come with a bit of

1525
01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:37,750
funding.
So I get that it may be less

1526
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,380
realistic immediately because
there's no money.

1527
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:42,610
But thinking about that PA from
home idea, let's say a school

1528
01:01:42,620 --> 01:01:45,120
was like, we just can't give you
a whole day of PA.

1529
01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:48,620
However, you're going to get
your normal amount of PA, which

1530
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:51,360
is half a day, and you can still
spend the rest of the day at

1531
01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:52,470
home.
This is part of your our

1532
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,410
flexible working policy.
From my lunch.

1533
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:57,660
Yeah, it's, it's not PA, but you
know, you're at home, you do

1534
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:58,900
what you want.
So in that time you don't have,

1535
01:01:58,910 --> 01:02:00,420
you can do what you want.
You can work if you want.

1536
01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:02,550
To what do you mean it's not?
Pi suppose it is the same thing

1537
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,570
actually, it's just what it's
just work, OK, But I'm imagining

1538
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,130
the idea of funding specialists
to come in to make it up to make

1539
01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:12,790
a flexible a flexible working
calendar.

1540
01:02:12,860 --> 01:02:14,980
Well, so you happy baby, you
choose when you take it.

1541
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:17,380
Is that you mean?
Yeah, I guess so at the

1542
01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:19,710
beginning of me talking, I
forgot that PPA basically is

1543
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,530
flexible working.
That's essentially what PA.

1544
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Just doing their job, but it's
not it's non contact time to do

1545
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:25,880
the rest of.
Your job, yeah.

1546
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:28,300
But there is a reality, I think
with a little bit of money where

1547
01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:31,660
it's where it's just completely
normal that people get, like you

1548
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:34,950
said, they can, they can choose
their days or it maybe it is a

1549
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,830
set day or something.
They can just be at home, maybe

1550
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,890
even more than one day.
Just admit the PA 20 years

1551
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:42,350
behind.
But but shut up.

1552
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,990
I don't see why they I just.
I've got this idea why where

1553
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,940
teachers, they get an afternoon
every week, they get one

1554
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:50,510
afternoon.
I think one afternoon, one

1555
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,450
afternoon should be enough to do
all the work they do outside of

1556
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,390
school.
What do you think about that?

1557
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:57,760
Is that I think that's.
Great, especially seeing it

1558
01:02:57,770 --> 01:03:00,250
could be something like that.
So flexible working can work

1559
01:03:00,260 --> 01:03:02,250
then can't.
It is just having a day off and

1560
01:03:02,260 --> 01:03:04,330
we call it a it's.
Fine, Yeah, Yeah, you should you

1561
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:05,950
be more needs to be more of it.
Yeah, yeah.

1562
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,170
So flexible working in that
respect of this isn't really

1563
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:11,490
even flexible working, it's just
making the job more manageable.

1564
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:15,110
But you can be exploit that day
because you know what if you

1565
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,330
wanna spend that day morning in
the spa and in the afternoon go

1566
01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:20,060
shopping and do your work in the
evening.

1567
01:03:20,070 --> 01:03:22,450
Yeah, that is flexible then
because you know you've been

1568
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:25,210
given that date back.
Sure you can if you need to take

1569
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:27,040
that time.
Lots of schools do.

1570
01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:29,260
Every time you just get me day,
you get personal day.

1571
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:32,140
You just book it in.
It's there's no expectation.

1572
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:33,610
It's on top of everything you
already do.

1573
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:37,460
Just get a date every time.
And you might use that day to do

1574
01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:39,820
your planning for next term and
not think about it the weekends.

1575
01:03:40,070 --> 01:03:41,180
That's your choice.
Brilliant.

1576
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:43,420
You might use that day to go and
see your family.

1577
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,780
You might put that down on
Monday.

1578
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:46,560
Have a long weekend somewhere.
Because actually there's a

1579
01:03:46,570 --> 01:03:48,460
point, an important distinction
that you kind of made there,

1580
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:50,260
which is that it we're flexible
working.

1581
01:03:50,270 --> 01:03:53,400
If you're still expected to be
on the job and home like you

1582
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:55,690
still expected to answer emails
and stuff, yeah, that's

1583
01:03:55,700 --> 01:03:58,820
different to complete
flexibility of you do whatever

1584
01:03:58,830 --> 01:04:00,420
you want with this day.
Just get the job, just get the

1585
01:04:00,430 --> 01:04:02,620
work done whenever you want.
I think that's exactly the same.

1586
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:04,810
It's not because you still get
the work done.

1587
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:06,500
No, but I'm expected to answer
emails at home.

1588
01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:07,810
They've got to be doing at that
time.

1589
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:10,260
If flexible in terms of I'm not
in the office, I'm working from

1590
01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:12,040
home.
I know people that flexible work

1591
01:04:12,050 --> 01:04:14,200
and when they're on their days
on their computer, we have to

1592
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:16,090
still prove that work.
You've got to.

1593
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:17,610
They've got to respond.
To e-mail, Yeah, sorry.

1594
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:20,720
Whereas if it was like because
teachings already flexible,

1595
01:04:20,770 --> 01:04:23,060
Yeah, in that respect.
So sort of like if I do your

1596
01:04:23,070 --> 01:04:24,350
extra unpaid work whenever you
want.

1597
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,450
Yeah, exactly.
But if I had PPI at home and the

1598
01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:29,380
schools thing was, but you are
doing people at home.

1599
01:04:29,570 --> 01:04:31,890
And so we do expect you.
If we've got some correspondence

1600
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:34,010
with you, we do expect you to
answer emails you're working.

1601
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:36,440
That's different to go home and
do the work whenever you want.

1602
01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:41,770
I think that I think that's
reasonable in a way in terms of

1603
01:04:42,070 --> 01:04:44,660
you can still e-mail stuff,
correspondence, but then it just

1604
01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:47,330
goes into that murky business of
how much of your PPA is, yeah,

1605
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:49,550
protected.
Because if someone emailed you

1606
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,640
in PA, right and said, ohh,
cash, can I grab you for 10

1607
01:04:52,650 --> 01:04:54,950
minutes, We'd almost certainly
just yeah, of course.

1608
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,540
Yeah, of course we would.
But then if you're at home, do

1609
01:04:58,550 --> 01:05:00,330
they?
Yeah, but no, like can you say

1610
01:05:00,340 --> 01:05:01,730
no?
Can you say because it's your

1611
01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:04,440
call for 10 minutes?
I mean I think the fundamental

1612
01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:06,540
thing is you probably should be
able to say no in any situation

1613
01:05:06,550 --> 01:05:08,870
anyway because your a time they
can't direct you.

1614
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,350
I think it's one I, I'd be
interested to know people

1615
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,790
listening, right?
How much of their PA is actually

1616
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,220
completely undirected or not?
Because a lot of people I

1617
01:05:17,230 --> 01:05:19,810
remember when I start off my
career, PA would be like, cool,

1618
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,010
let's meet at start PA and then
we can just crack on afterwards.

1619
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:26,210
And we still have that now.
But that's practical and I don't

1620
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:28,470
mind it because that's part of
me planning.

1621
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,150
That's part of my assessment.
Like I'm going to get together

1622
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,710
my team chat, but that is a,
that is a meeting that's imposed

1623
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,750
on me.
So there there is that.

1624
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,050
I think that's what it has to
be, that professional.

1625
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,130
Understand a lot of schools.
I think this is quite normal, by

1626
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:44,520
the way, where PA is directed in
the sense that they have to go

1627
01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:47,260
to a certain PA room with their
whole team so they can do their

1628
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:49,440
planning together.
And so it's like they're not

1629
01:05:49,450 --> 01:05:51,320
directing it.
We just expect all your planning

1630
01:05:51,330 --> 01:05:53,140
to be done together.
That's an expectation.

1631
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:56,050
And we just expect that you do
PPA in this room, but we're not

1632
01:05:56,060 --> 01:05:57,450
directing.
You want to do what you want in

1633
01:05:57,460 --> 01:05:58,790
that time.
We just need all of your plans

1634
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,020
to get done together.
And there's a weird thing.

1635
01:06:01,030 --> 01:06:02,270
I've known loads of schools that
are like.

1636
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,860
That and then you trap people
sometimes for example, I know

1637
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:08,780
you have we have our staff
meeting after your PA yeah.

1638
01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:12,570
So that that is that has trapped
point in a way like yeah, in

1639
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:15,270
what I mean by that is you
probably couldn't go home.

1640
01:06:15,340 --> 01:06:18,280
No, because you have to come
back and that would be insane.

1641
01:06:18,290 --> 01:06:19,350
Yeah, that's a good point
actually.

1642
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,930
Cause realistically, if it
wasn't me, it'd be another year

1643
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:22,730
group doing that.
Yeah.

1644
01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:24,970
So it's not like I could say
just change my PPA day.

1645
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:26,810
Works for you.
Selfish.

1646
01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:28,560
Yeah.
I suppose you could just make

1647
01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:31,290
sure all of the staff have PBA
on any of the days except for

1648
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:32,760
this one day that we do staff
meetings.

1649
01:06:32,770 --> 01:06:38,250
No one has PA on that day.
So, yeah, I guess summary, do

1650
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:41,340
you think an introduction of
proper flexible working?

1651
01:06:41,350 --> 01:06:44,350
Mm-hmm.
Let's say the discussion at

1652
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,990
least of the introduction of
more PPA time, so the children

1653
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,140
stay in school, but the
implementation of you absolutely

1654
01:06:51,180 --> 01:06:53,350
can do what you want in your PPA
time if that's going home or

1655
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,990
not.
And also I would say the

1656
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:58,470
reduction of the stigma of job
sharing.

1657
01:06:58,540 --> 01:07:00,790
And if someone requests job
sharing, you should absolutely

1658
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,450
go out of your way to try and
make it work.

1659
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,490
And it's a lot easier now to
apply for flexible working you

1660
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:08,210
if you're knocked back, you can
apply again.

1661
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:10,000
It used to be apply once, I
think in a year.

1662
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:12,970
Now you can apply twice.
There are certain things that

1663
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:16,270
the school have to say no
because they have to fill out

1664
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,520
certain criteria.
So when you apply, you can go

1665
01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:21,860
through the 8 criteria and say
it wouldn't affect the quality

1666
01:07:21,870 --> 01:07:24,380
of my work because it wouldn't
affect the morale of the school,

1667
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:26,000
because it wouldn't affect the
children.

1668
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:28,490
Because like there are eight
ways that schools can say no.

1669
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:31,320
And you can kind of, I filled
out this form from my partner

1670
01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:34,100
when we, we, we, we applied for
her to go back and return to

1671
01:07:34,110 --> 01:07:36,420
work with flexible and, and go
part time.

1672
01:07:36,930 --> 01:07:38,210
So you can counteract all of
them.

1673
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:42,000
Do your research and apply with
all of that in mind.

1674
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:46,740
Do you think that there is any
way that simply going down this

1675
01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:50,480
road of more, more job shares,
more part time for people who

1676
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:52,560
want part time, people who want
full time still having a bit of

1677
01:07:52,570 --> 01:07:54,580
flexibility with as and when
they take their time, Do you

1678
01:07:54,590 --> 01:07:56,720
think this will actually fix the
problems that we have in?

1679
01:07:56,730 --> 01:07:58,120
Each.
I think it will massively help

1680
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:01,980
fix it is a big word.
I think it will massively over a

1681
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:04,450
huge positive impact.
Teachers are burning out,

1682
01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:06,380
They're quitting.
You can't go to the data.

1683
01:08:06,450 --> 01:08:08,520
The education sector is getting
worse and underfunded.

1684
01:08:08,530 --> 01:08:10,300
Everything is getting worse in
education.

1685
01:08:10,940 --> 01:08:13,270
We need to do something, and I
think this would help keep

1686
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,830
teachers in the job.
We have to incentivize the job.

1687
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,260
So simple as that.
Because if there's no incentive.

1688
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:21,359
That's weird.
There is no incentive and no

1689
01:08:21,370 --> 01:08:22,660
one's training.
Yeah.

1690
01:08:22,710 --> 01:08:25,430
So umm, yeah, no, that's.
Good chat.

1691
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,439
That's really interesting.
And obviously we literally do

1692
01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:28,300
part time.
Yeah.

1693
01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:30,640
And I think that's a distinction
I wasn't quite making at the

1694
01:08:30,649 --> 01:08:32,859
start of there are people who
don't want to go part time.

1695
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:34,290
They want their full wage.
Yeah, exactly.

1696
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:36,390
But they still want to have a
decent sexuality.

1697
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:37,960
Yeah.
I think the P thing is probably,

1698
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:40,580
I think that's probably it whole
day PPA.

1699
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:44,160
I think the school could have a,
a little bit of leeway in terms

1700
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:47,830
of, I wouldn't be totally
against them saying that first

1701
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,840
portion of that day you need to
at least be around.

1702
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:52,740
Yeah, it's a whole day.
If they said, you know, between

1703
01:08:52,750 --> 01:08:56,040
9:00 and 12:00, just make sure
you, you know, you're around at

1704
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:57,380
least to answer queries and
things.

1705
01:08:57,390 --> 01:08:58,660
I, I feel like I could get away
of that.

1706
01:08:58,670 --> 01:09:00,140
But then if, you know, if the
rest of it was completely

1707
01:09:00,149 --> 01:09:02,460
flexible, that be really cool.
If the whole day was just

1708
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:04,460
completely flexible and like, we
just don't care what you do on

1709
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:06,359
that day, as long as you get
your job done, then that's cool

1710
01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:07,850
as well.
I mean, there's some scope there

1711
01:09:07,859 --> 01:09:11,660
for like different variations of
it, but the day off thing it's

1712
01:09:11,670 --> 01:09:12,760
got, it's got to be done, isn't
it?

1713
01:09:12,770 --> 01:09:14,160
It's gotta happen.
It's gotta have, we wanna keep

1714
01:09:14,170 --> 01:09:16,020
teachers.
We've got to do something.

1715
01:09:16,170 --> 01:09:17,850
Clearly upping the money didn't
work.

1716
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:20,069
Yeah, the incentive at the
start, it's like people looking

1717
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,880
around like, cool, yeah, but I'm
still going to burn out.

1718
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:25,240
So I can burn out with 30 grand
or I can burn out with 27 grand

1719
01:09:25,250 --> 01:09:27,240
like.
Or I can leave and get a 40

1720
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:29,149
grand job somewhere.
Else exactly and actually have

1721
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,399
flexible working.
So either education has got to

1722
01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:32,720
get the times eventually isn't
it?

1723
01:09:32,729 --> 01:09:34,920
The money is not getting there,
so at least make the job better.

1724
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,660
100% And you know what, all of
this is cool.

1725
01:09:37,670 --> 01:09:40,319
And like we talked about the
jigging around at the timetable,

1726
01:09:40,330 --> 01:09:42,310
even if we're not going to
change anything, mean longer

1727
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:43,689
days and then a short day on
Friday.

1728
01:09:43,899 --> 01:09:46,609
All of this is genuinely
completely pointless until we do

1729
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:47,890
actually sort out that workload
problem.

1730
01:09:47,950 --> 01:09:49,510
Yeah, like, you can do what you
want.

1731
01:09:49,580 --> 01:09:53,479
Like if that PA comes with
extra, you know you're expected

1732
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:57,070
to do more because all you gotta
hold out now so you can do this.

1733
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,970
With this list of what you were
doing before.

1734
01:09:59,020 --> 01:10:00,790
No, no, no, no.
No, no, that day needs to come

1735
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,700
with your job hasn't changed you
still the same jobs to do.

1736
01:10:03,710 --> 01:10:05,810
You just got an entire extra
data because if the

1737
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,010
justification for Lt or whoever
is in charge of the government

1738
01:10:08,020 --> 01:10:10,220
or anything Ofsted is now what
we need to have these high

1739
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:12,910
standards and, and we talked
before, having high standards is

1740
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,000
really good and we need to have.
Clearly, you know, gonna work

1741
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:16,580
really well to get this amazing
curriculum.

1742
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:19,110
It's like, cool if you're gonna
keep them cool, don't judge

1743
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,800
them, but give me extra time,
yeah?

1744
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:22,660
To get there, I'll tell you what
we'll drop the highest standards

1745
01:10:22,670 --> 01:10:24,570
is when all your best teachers
quit because they can go and get

1746
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:26,590
paid 50K for another job because
they really highly skilled.

1747
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,990
Yeah, that's when the standards
will start dropping exactly that

1748
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,360
which is what's happening.
Retain your good teachers.

1749
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:33,470
Incentivize us.
We love teaching.

1750
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:36,300
We don't want to leave.
We don't want to teaching when

1751
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:39,500
you put your notice in.
I've done it yesterday.

1752
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:41,840
We haven't.
We haven't.

1753
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:44,570
We haven't.
I enjoyed that chat finished up

1754
01:10:44,580 --> 01:10:46,440
there.
Let's finish up there screaming

1755
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:48,600
in the background.
Yeah, let's go and sort that.

1756
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:51,160
Out Bye bye everyone see you
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1757
01:10:51,170 --> 01:10:53,020
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