Ep 65: Do We Need A New National Curriculum?

1
00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:02,330
Hello everyone, welcome to
another episode of Teach Sleep.

2
00:00:02,340 --> 00:00:02,930
Repeat.
My name is.

3
00:00:02,940 --> 00:00:04,750
Dylan, and my name is Hayden.
It's not.

4
00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,370
It's nasal, man.
No.

5
00:00:06,380 --> 00:00:08,730
It's nasal whistle.
Man, can you hear this?

6
00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,900
I've got a whistle this time.
According to a bunch of our

7
00:00:11,910 --> 00:00:14,660
listeners, we can hear it.
Really.

8
00:00:14,670 --> 00:00:18,880
Whistle at 51 minutes, Hayden.
All right, Andrew, our Clayman

9
00:00:18,890 --> 00:00:23,890
knows this time.
Bloody listen to you do your

10
00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:26,360
talking with your nasal passage.
Shall we go on?

11
00:00:26,470 --> 00:00:28,790
Yeah, anyway, Hello.
You sort it.

12
00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:30,640
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Yeah.

13
00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:32,920
I guess I'll find out.
What they're writing in,

14
00:00:33,350 --> 00:00:35,980
actually, I heard your diesel
passage going 47 seconds.

15
00:00:37,780 --> 00:00:38,970
Don't care.
Centre Parks.

16
00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:43,050
Ohh, God, the centre box maybe
she just stepped straight in.

17
00:00:43,110 --> 00:00:46,220
Yeah, that's been half time and
I was actually gonna start with

18
00:00:46,230 --> 00:00:47,780
this.
So maybe I get your opinion.

19
00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,600
I did a poll on Facebook and I
didn't, I didn't, I don't know,

20
00:00:50,610 --> 00:00:51,840
Facebook.
Maybe I'll get your opinion.

21
00:00:51,850 --> 00:00:55,020
I'm below the age of 40, so I
don't go into the whole podcast

22
00:00:55,030 --> 00:00:56,750
where you just refused to give
me your opinion.

23
00:00:57,570 --> 00:01:00,090
Do you think?
What do you think anyway, on

24
00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:02,140
Instagram?
Because like I said, I'm not a

25
00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:05,670
boomer.
I did a little poll because we

26
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,030
get an extra week off in this
half of them.

27
00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,090
One of these phenomenas where
you in in education where some

28
00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:14,740
schools put all their insects.
They back-to-back SO5 insects.

29
00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:16,550
Don't know what I said.
What did I say?

30
00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,570
You said you put the S You
pluralized insects rather than

31
00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:26,190
days.
Insects, they they just one day

32
00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:27,570
really long.
Day.

33
00:01:27,580 --> 00:01:31,970
All of the insects in one day.
We put all our inset days in a

34
00:01:31,980 --> 00:01:34,720
row so we get an extra week off,
but the payoff is obviously

35
00:01:34,730 --> 00:01:36,490
normally on it.
They have to do training.

36
00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,270
So our payoff is you have to do
a club, you know, school and and

37
00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:41,660
you know, apparently it all
works out.

38
00:01:41,670 --> 00:01:43,110
Looks at the calculator directed
time and.

39
00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,510
Stuff and we do it Twilight
every.

40
00:01:44,670 --> 00:01:48,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we do training but we get an

41
00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:50,450
extra week off.
And so I just put a thing out

42
00:01:50,460 --> 00:01:52,910
there about clubs.
I said who does clubs then?

43
00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:55,810
Because it's kind of leads on
with the fact we're gonna get

44
00:01:55,820 --> 00:01:57,440
this extra week off.
We get to go centre parks where

45
00:01:57,450 --> 00:01:59,650
the price is lower.
Like it works out really well

46
00:01:59,660 --> 00:02:01,400
for everyone.
And anyway, I did this thing

47
00:02:01,410 --> 00:02:03,720
about clubs and it really
interested me that what

48
00:02:03,730 --> 00:02:07,190
percentage of people do you
think don't do a club and don't

49
00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,380
have to?
7080%.

50
00:02:10,389 --> 00:02:11,980
Yeah, it was only 50.
Ohh.

51
00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:13,340
I was really shocked.
I thought it would be much.

52
00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:14,690
Higher.
I thought school was I I've

53
00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:16,700
never heard of it before.
Yeah, we went to our school.

54
00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:18,440
I was like, oh this is a weird
thing that no one else.

55
00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:22,780
Does so a whole bunch of people
have said on this poll that they

56
00:02:22,890 --> 00:02:26,460
have to do a club and and that
was 20% of people and I thought

57
00:02:26,590 --> 00:02:29,040
one in five schools, one in five
teachers.

58
00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:31,740
I just told yeah, you have to do
a collab and that that really

59
00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:33,360
shocked me.
And then we had a whole another

60
00:02:33,370 --> 00:02:36,340
bunch about 18% said they don't
have to, but they do a club

61
00:02:36,350 --> 00:02:36,980
anyway.
Right.

62
00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:37,780
Classic.
Yeah.

63
00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,410
And then and then, oh, it's
bumped up to about 60% now.

64
00:02:40,420 --> 00:02:42,890
No, and I don't have to.
I just was interesting.

65
00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,830
What would you rather then?
Cause we've done both.

66
00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,310
Would you rather have to do a
club?

67
00:02:46,370 --> 00:02:48,210
Hmm.
And then get an extra week off?

68
00:02:48,260 --> 00:02:51,480
Yeah.
Or that one or where you don't

69
00:02:51,490 --> 00:02:52,620
have to do a club, but you have
to do is.

70
00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,450
Take the week off every time.
Yeah, honestly, it's it's.

71
00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:57,620
Something about time off being
clumped together, which feels so

72
00:02:57,630 --> 00:02:59,790
much.
Better in term time, like you

73
00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,010
said, everything's cheaper.
Yeah, that's basically it

74
00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:02,970
really.
Everything's cheaper.

75
00:03:02,980 --> 00:03:06,770
I can actually go on holiday and
not be really annoyed and bitter

76
00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:08,640
the entire time.
You're paying three times as

77
00:03:08,650 --> 00:03:10,610
much as anybody else.
It's kind of let me going to the

78
00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:13,030
dentist and being an NHS
patient.

79
00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,610
Sorry, dentist dental listeners,
can you?

80
00:03:14,620 --> 00:03:17,850
Please listen, you just need to
switch off dentists bit like

81
00:03:17,860 --> 00:03:19,100
that.
Isn't it really me going and

82
00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:21,610
paying extra for the same
procedure the guy got just

83
00:03:21,620 --> 00:03:24,310
before me?
Yeah, it's just like that,

84
00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,410
Hayden.
You remotely bitter about?

85
00:03:26,420 --> 00:03:27,630
No, I'm not.
I don't.

86
00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:28,840
I don't even think about it
anymore.

87
00:03:28,850 --> 00:03:33,310
You know, it's great.
I saw Labour doing some some

88
00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,050
local like canvassing around
this area and it's hilarious.

89
00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:39,360
Like, whatever you think about
politics, it's so funny when

90
00:03:39,370 --> 00:03:41,410
people are trying to get your
vote, yeah, because they just

91
00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:41,840
say.
Stuff.

92
00:03:41,850 --> 00:03:43,590
Yeah, let's say anything.
They just, they just say stuff

93
00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,470
and it's and there's no
explanation how they're gonna do

94
00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,360
it.
And on top of the list for this

95
00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:49,300
local area was we'll get you a
dental.

96
00:03:49,310 --> 00:03:51,980
I literally saw that as well.
And you know when I saw it, how

97
00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:54,440
the honest to God, the day that
I was going to dentist, I'm not

98
00:03:54,450 --> 00:03:55,400
even joking.
And I was like I.

99
00:03:55,410 --> 00:03:57,520
Can't see why because people
like you would see him go, yeah,

100
00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:59,040
yeah, I'm gonna vote for you.
And it's.

101
00:03:59,050 --> 00:04:01,280
And honestly, you just see
straight through now you're

102
00:04:01,290 --> 00:04:03,700
like, yeah, what do you mean
you're going to get me a dent?

103
00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:04,560
What?
What on earth?

104
00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:05,600
Yeah, what are you talking
about?

105
00:04:05,610 --> 00:04:06,900
Speaking of politics, just for a
minute.

106
00:04:06,910 --> 00:04:09,450
I know we're gonna talk about it
loads anyway, but I know I sent

107
00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:13,310
you this last night, but I just
have to shout out on TikTok.

108
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,709
Labour and Conservative have
both made Tik Toks recently, OK?

109
00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,829
And obviously they've just got a
bunch of young people making

110
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,160
them because they're proper.
Just silly.

111
00:04:20,170 --> 00:04:23,270
Like proper meme culture.
And I was cracking up last night

112
00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:24,970
looking through the.
Label they actually funny.

113
00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:26,550
They're genuinely funny,
genuinely.

114
00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,630
They obviously have stuff
interspersed with like real

115
00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,520
little clips, like try to get
people to actually vote for

116
00:04:31,530 --> 00:04:33,180
them.
But there's so many memes on

117
00:04:33,190 --> 00:04:35,430
there, and one of them that I
just couldn't stop laughing.

118
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,090
What does Labour may have made
this meme of Rishi Sunak.

119
00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:41,540
And he's writing in something.
So they were like ohh Rishi

120
00:04:41,550 --> 00:04:43,680
Sunak diary.
This is actually risky writing

121
00:04:43,690 --> 00:04:45,380
in something.
Yeah, just like a stock footage

122
00:04:45,390 --> 00:04:46,980
of him writing some other way
what he's actually.

123
00:04:46,990 --> 00:04:48,320
Right, probably one of his
actual videos.

124
00:04:48,330 --> 00:04:50,190
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they were like cutting away

125
00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,380
to like an over the shoulder
shot.

126
00:04:51,390 --> 00:04:53,680
And it was just him like in
terrible handwriting, writing

127
00:04:53,690 --> 00:04:57,480
about like really bad policies.
Like he was like going to go to

128
00:04:57,630 --> 00:05:00,200
going to go to Wales or Ireland,
wherever he went to and and

129
00:05:00,210 --> 00:05:03,980
asked him about the rugby or
something like that in brackets.

130
00:05:04,050 --> 00:05:06,240
Didn't know they they didn't
qualify.

131
00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:08,600
And it was, it was just
absolutely rinsing him for this

132
00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:10,720
stuff.
And, and the, and the Tories

133
00:05:10,730 --> 00:05:13,460
have now obviously been like got
to do it as well and they've

134
00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:16,110
started making memes back.
The problem is it's boomers

135
00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,090
making them.
You can really tell as well.

136
00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:19,830
It's so funny.
And they're just like copying

137
00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:21,010
the Labour ones, but doing it
back.

138
00:05:21,020 --> 00:05:23,940
And everyone's like, come on,
you're getting roasted in this

139
00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:25,710
TikTok.
War And also, who do they think

140
00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,220
they're pandering to?
Like, you can't simultaneously

141
00:05:28,230 --> 00:05:30,210
tell them they have to sign up
for national service.

142
00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:32,070
But also, here's a funny meme
though.

143
00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,940
Here is a funny meme.
Surprise, surprise, We see that

144
00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:39,660
18th birthday today.
You've got to go to war.

145
00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:44,170
Surprise, surprise.
So yeah, really, really funny if

146
00:05:44,180 --> 00:05:46,090
you want to talk.
Check out the Labour page.

147
00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:48,450
I just see one because
obviously, you know, politicians

148
00:05:48,460 --> 00:05:50,610
do ridiculous things simply just
to get in the news during all

149
00:05:50,620 --> 00:05:52,530
the build up.
So they're like like I think

150
00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:55,650
Keir Starmer was serving ice
cream the other day and Ed Davey

151
00:05:55,660 --> 00:05:57,650
was like falling off a paddle
board and all this kind of

152
00:05:57,660 --> 00:06:00,150
stuff.
It was one where Labour made a

153
00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,390
meme out of it and it was Rishi
Sunak went to a football day and

154
00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:07,170
was was dribbling around these
codes.

155
00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,440
I want to point the ball hit the
cone and stopped him and he was

156
00:06:12,450 --> 00:06:16,800
like he got knee tripped over.
And the caption was when when

157
00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:19,230
you're trying to convince people
you can run the country but you

158
00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,560
get tackled by a code.
That's so good.

159
00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,570
So basically apparently right,
the Conservatives obviously well

160
00:06:25,580 --> 00:06:27,210
annoyed that getting rinsed on
TikTok.

161
00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:31,110
They've they've spent loads of
time complaining and like

162
00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,770
reporting all of the labour
videos to get as many of them as

163
00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:36,420
removed as possible really.
So Labour obviously now taking

164
00:06:36,430 --> 00:06:38,560
the Mick out of that.
They're like ohh, spending all

165
00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:42,440
your time in the country are you
or or or trying to get all silly

166
00:06:42,450 --> 00:06:44,980
means removed on TikTok Like
what's wrong with you?

167
00:06:44,990 --> 00:06:47,070
Saw that, didn't you?
No, I didn't.

168
00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:47,820
I didn't.
I didn't.

169
00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:49,320
No, I never.
Swear.

170
00:06:49,330 --> 00:06:52,730
OK, no, the other one was Rishi
Sunak went to Southampton to

171
00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:55,360
like on the second day of this
thing to launch like his

172
00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:58,110
campaign and it was wet like
where the Titanic was built or

173
00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,280
something.
Ohh Ireland, mate.

174
00:06:59,290 --> 00:07:01,170
No, went to Ireland where the
Titanic was built.

175
00:07:01,660 --> 00:07:04,580
A reporter just said, is it is
it a good metaphor for your

176
00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:07,380
campaign that you're in the the
birth place of the most famous

177
00:07:07,390 --> 00:07:11,540
sinking ship in history?
He was like OHH bearing him on

178
00:07:11,550 --> 00:07:13,780
the day before he announced the
general election in an absolute

179
00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:16,000
downpour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

180
00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:17,450
What?
Analogy.

181
00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:19,860
The only thing I'd seen
beforehand of these Tik Toks

182
00:07:19,870 --> 00:07:22,050
were from like my job.
I listened to like my podcast

183
00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:24,940
and you know.
You listened to your podcast My.

184
00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:27,340
God, I can't speak my politics
podcasts.

185
00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:28,920
Yeah.
And it's the the rest is

186
00:07:28,930 --> 00:07:30,880
politics.
Alastair Campbell, Rory Stewart.

187
00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:34,320
And the only thing I heard was
from them and they were like,

188
00:07:34,430 --> 00:07:36,140
this seems quite juvenile.
Really.

189
00:07:36,150 --> 00:07:39,840
Seems quite, quite is is it a
bit like childish, really

190
00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:41,860
serious politics?
Is I think yes, of course.

191
00:07:41,870 --> 00:07:43,480
That's the point.
It's not for you.

192
00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:45,730
It works for Labour cause all
their voters are like under 20

193
00:07:45,740 --> 00:07:46,690
so.
Exactly.

194
00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:47,670
You know what?
I saw a fact.

195
00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,690
Well, finish this little chat
about politics right now.

196
00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:51,080
Yeah.
We.

197
00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,870
For this for this second, but I
saw a stat in it.

198
00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:55,910
It was astounding to me.
And this, I think this was true

199
00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,050
in the last election.
If only people under what age do

200
00:08:01,060 --> 00:08:02,150
you think?
Hmm.

201
00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,290
So if we only allow people under
a certain age, you're gonna

202
00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:05,800
guess what age is to vote.
Yeah.

203
00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,470
At what point would we have to
cut it off?

204
00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:10,750
And then Labour would win.
Labour would get more.

205
00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,380
Votes.
I see what you.

206
00:08:11,390 --> 00:08:14,480
Mean So let's say obviously if
you cut it off at under 20,

207
00:08:14,540 --> 00:08:16,130
yeah, Labour would have a huge.
Huge.

208
00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:18,660
But if it was, if it was under
80, right, then actually you

209
00:08:18,670 --> 00:08:21,570
begin a huge population.
Of So what point do you think?

210
00:08:21,580 --> 00:08:24,840
At what age do you think the
tide turns over where more more

211
00:08:24,850 --> 00:08:27,230
there'd be more conservatives?
Let's think about this.

212
00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,300
Millennials, I imagine normally
up to 40 of I think up to 40

213
00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:37,600
safe, I'm going to go 45. 60.
Ohh, really?

214
00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:41,710
More than I thought. 60 So if,
if, if only people under 60

215
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,720
vote, Labour would would come
would have more votes than the

216
00:08:44,730 --> 00:08:46,920
Conservatives.
The Conservatives win because

217
00:08:46,930 --> 00:08:48,360
old people go and vote.
Well, how many?

218
00:08:48,370 --> 00:08:50,030
What's the other?
What the population splits like

219
00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,480
how many?
How much of our population is

220
00:08:51,490 --> 00:08:52,830
over?
60 There's a lot of, there's a

221
00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,870
lot of people who are over 60
cause of ageing population and

222
00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,190
stuff, but the biggest
contributing factor is the fact

223
00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,200
that they've got nothing else to
do.

224
00:08:59,270 --> 00:09:01,060
They retired, They, they live
for this stuff.

225
00:09:01,070 --> 00:09:02,810
They read the Daily Mail every
day and they go and vote on

226
00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:05,230
Boxing Day.
Young people don't go and vote.

227
00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:08,410
And that, that's one of the
biggest points that already the

228
00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:10,630
biggest point now to be made
from that is that if you're

229
00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,660
listening to this and you'll
think, Oh yeah, I don't really

230
00:09:12,670 --> 00:09:14,740
like conservatives because my
life is absolutely crap for the

231
00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:17,520
last 15 years, registered to
vote and then go and vote for

232
00:09:17,530 --> 00:09:19,700
someone.
Like honestly, if more people

233
00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:21,890
did it, it would, it wouldn't
even be close.

234
00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:25,350
It just, it blew my mind.
Go and vote for care.

235
00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:30,100
And this is, I say one more
thing and the thing that's

236
00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:34,000
annoying me slightly because I
suppose five years ago in the

237
00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:35,840
last election, I was very pro
Labour.

238
00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:39,050
I liked a lot of the policies
that Corbyn was coming out with

239
00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:41,530
in terms of social mobility and
yeah, and, and helping poor

240
00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:43,350
people.
I'm, I'm very much for that

241
00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:46,290
currently.
I, I don't think that there's

242
00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:49,210
many policies for Labour that
are exciting me at all.

243
00:09:49,260 --> 00:09:52,170
Like the, the prospect of a
Labour government doesn't fill

244
00:09:52,180 --> 00:09:54,430
me with like actual excitement.
What's going to happen?

245
00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:56,510
What fills me with excitement is
getting rid of the Tories.

246
00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,250
And what kind of annoys me a
little bit is when people,

247
00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,100
you'll see me say something like
if you don't like the Tories,

248
00:10:02,110 --> 00:10:04,520
make sure you vote them out.
And then they go, ohh, another

249
00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:06,720
pro Labour left thing.
Or do you think Labour are gonna

250
00:10:06,730 --> 00:10:09,410
do anything?
It's like, I never said that and

251
00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:11,340
not and not.
No, I don't, I don't know.

252
00:10:11,380 --> 00:10:14,030
I don't know that.
But what I do know is I don't

253
00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,580
want these guys to carry on.
These guys who completely rinsed

254
00:10:16,590 --> 00:10:19,530
us and took like if you look at
anything they've done, honest to

255
00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:21,560
God.
And you mentioned the contracts

256
00:10:21,570 --> 00:10:23,720
and stuff.
That alone is enough for me to

257
00:10:23,730 --> 00:10:26,140
be like, Oh my goodness me, get
all of these people the

258
00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:28,420
contracts.
Yeah, the PPE contracts, COVID

259
00:10:28,430 --> 00:10:30,200
contracts where they just
literally lined the pockets of

260
00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:32,220
their mates.
They made-up companies like and

261
00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:34,540
within two months they were
getting a contract for PPE that

262
00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:36,030
was never delivered.
And she made for the.

263
00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,600
Hundreds of millions.
Yeah, it's like, cool, that's

264
00:10:38,610 --> 00:10:40,630
enough goodbye.
And they're really trying their

265
00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:41,880
hardest to separate out, aren't
they?

266
00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:45,240
Like wishes a new guy.
And what fascinates me is

267
00:10:45,250 --> 00:10:48,380
Rishi's coming out now, like
we've got this amazing new GP's

268
00:10:48,390 --> 00:10:50,140
policy, we're going to get all
the what?

269
00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:52,810
What have you been doing?
Yeah, you've had 14 years.

270
00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:55,440
Today you have done that.
Six months ago, three months

271
00:10:55,450 --> 00:10:58,320
ago, you decided to make this
election come up.

272
00:10:58,390 --> 00:11:01,140
You could have not made this
election come up and done done

273
00:11:01,150 --> 00:11:03,930
this stuff.
You're saying it's anyone buy

274
00:11:03,940 --> 00:11:06,490
this stuff is beyond me.
Yeah, it's mental anyway, but I

275
00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:08,100
feel the same with with Labour
as well.

276
00:11:08,110 --> 00:11:09,790
Like like, you know, we're
joking about the dentist.

277
00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,310
Yeah, yeah, sure.
I, I read that pamphlet I got

278
00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,560
from my daughter, had the five
things that he was going to do.

279
00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:17,070
And I was like, I, I don't
believe any of this.

280
00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:19,210
Like you might do.
It would be nice if you did, but

281
00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:21,670
every, everyone running is
obviously going to say this.

282
00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:25,810
Who would run and not say that?
And not being funny.

283
00:11:25,820 --> 00:11:28,810
Meaningless that our local
candidate for Labour.

284
00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,040
Who would be the one to replace?
The Conservative candidate is

285
00:11:32,050 --> 00:11:36,350
one person out of 650 MP's, but
she might stand up and be like,

286
00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,520
we need dentists in Granny sit
down.

287
00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:41,850
Sorry, sorry.
Would take everything else we're

288
00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:44,120
going to do.
It's it's just not it's not

289
00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:45,520
gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen.

290
00:11:45,530 --> 00:11:48,680
But I just my my final point.
I just want this current

291
00:11:48,690 --> 00:11:50,110
government to not be the
government anymore.

292
00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,460
Yeah.
Then we can reset and moan at

293
00:11:51,470 --> 00:11:52,440
the next stop.
OK.

294
00:11:52,450 --> 00:11:54,060
Yeah, I know not much is going
to change.

295
00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:56,680
No, but I realised that I'm not
going to sit on the moment about

296
00:11:56,690 --> 00:11:58,340
online.
I'm just gonna OK, Obviously

297
00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:00,440
it's gonna be quite similar, but
I'd rather have people have a

298
00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:02,540
go.
Anything else happened this

299
00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:04,980
week?
Let me just check my notes.

300
00:12:04,990 --> 00:12:07,720
Oh yeah, The funny thing about
you.

301
00:12:07,850 --> 00:12:12,850
So we went on, we, we went on a
night out with our, with our

302
00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:14,510
tutoring business.
We took our tutors out.

303
00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,630
Not all of them could come, but
we took we took a good bunch of

304
00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,600
them out.
Yeah, the good ones.

305
00:12:17,610 --> 00:12:20,210
Good.
All the good ones came ohh.

306
00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,450
No, that's not that's not true.
The local ones.

307
00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:23,830
The local ones, yeah.
And.

308
00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:27,070
Actually, don't.
We do all over the country.

309
00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,510
We do all over the country.
We're global, we're not.

310
00:12:30,420 --> 00:12:32,640
And we went to somewhere called
Boom Battle Bar.

311
00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,080
So if you've heard of that.
It would have sounded more

312
00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:37,590
boomer.
Let me just check my notes from

313
00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,230
my spectacles.
But that's what.

314
00:12:40,350 --> 00:12:43,670
It turns out they did some fun
things at this place activities.

315
00:12:43,710 --> 00:12:45,480
Anyway, it's pretty cool.
We're just Max hurrying.

316
00:12:45,530 --> 00:12:50,440
We did some darts, we did some
crazy golf, shuffleboard and a

317
00:12:50,450 --> 00:12:52,300
bit of karaoke at the end.
But we made a bit of a

318
00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:54,150
competition was eight of us and
we.

319
00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:55,500
Think it was taking it
seriously.

320
00:12:55,510 --> 00:12:57,260
Well, I don't know, because on
the way there, it's funny

321
00:12:57,270 --> 00:12:59,060
actually, because you kept going
on about how it was a

322
00:12:59,070 --> 00:13:01,390
competition between me and you.
We're going to have three others

323
00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,920
with each of us and teams of
four.

324
00:13:03,970 --> 00:13:08,420
Dylan, honest, he's quite
competitive and I will say he's

325
00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:10,540
generally pretty good at stuff.
Like you're good at ohh, you

326
00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:12,400
gotta sports and you play a lot
of sports and you're very

327
00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:13,580
competitive.
You like them.

328
00:13:13,630 --> 00:13:15,350
We go squash and I play squash
rages.

329
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,220
You play squash for two weeks
and then start beating me and I

330
00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:20,140
get really annoyed.
Absolutely dreadful.

331
00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:22,640
Like you lost.
You lost literally everything.

332
00:13:22,650 --> 00:13:24,860
Like you got you became 8th
place in most stuff.

333
00:13:24,930 --> 00:13:29,890
Yeah, I, I've through, I threw
10 axes in a row, right?

334
00:13:30,010 --> 00:13:33,900
And I didn't land one after my
second act, so I had to 8 times

335
00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:36,560
in a row, walk up on your own
when you're an actor and

336
00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:39,090
obviously with everyone else
watching you, eight times in a

337
00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:40,740
row to throw out.
It just bounced out right.

338
00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:43,180
Just progressively was like my
smile is getting less and less.

339
00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:45,050
It was convincing, really
awkward because I got eight in a

340
00:13:45,060 --> 00:13:45,780
row.
Bang.

341
00:13:45,790 --> 00:13:48,360
Like literally, you were three
points, three points, three

342
00:13:48,370 --> 00:13:49,900
points, bang in the middle.
Then you came second.

343
00:13:49,970 --> 00:13:51,660
Did in the end, yeah.
And then?

344
00:13:51,730 --> 00:13:54,220
Andrew, Mr Knows wisely points
her outer.

345
00:13:54,370 --> 00:13:57,170
When we said, when we said the
good ones could come.

346
00:13:57,270 --> 00:14:03,620
Well, but yeah, the he, he
brought a game with him that we

347
00:14:03,630 --> 00:14:05,830
were playing and it's called
don't get got where you get a

348
00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,040
secret mission basically.
Well, you get 6 secret missions

349
00:14:08,050 --> 00:14:10,350
that you got to try and complete
drawing the night.

350
00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:12,550
And once you get three, you win
or something like that.

351
00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,150
But the person running our game
who was like our host for the

352
00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:21,600
evening, she was called Chloe.
Andrew just decided randomly

353
00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:25,990
during our axe throwing halfway
through to give her a a secret

354
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,590
mission.
Just one Just let you go.

355
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,030
We're doing this.
And it was random.

356
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,170
He just.
Completely random.

357
00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:32,530
The bag, yeah, had a had a bag
proper teacher had like a

358
00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:34,770
plastic wallet full of them.
Yeah, really organised and he

359
00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:36,700
took one out.
And so she took it and we just

360
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:38,730
obviously forgot about it.
Finished our game.

361
00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,110
Andrew won.
Who came last?

362
00:14:41,270 --> 00:14:43,870
You came last place.
You out of everyone.

363
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,510
And so she said, right, Kate
winner, who was it?

364
00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,810
And it was Andrew put his hand
up.

365
00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:50,670
Cool.
Comes to the front, loser.

366
00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,340
Who was it?
And I was like, yeah, I'll put

367
00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:55,220
my hand up.
And she went right come to the

368
00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:57,340
front.
And then she got they had like

369
00:14:57,350 --> 00:15:00,440
these jugs of water that you
could press down to add pressure

370
00:15:00,450 --> 00:15:03,280
and it shot water out.
Yeah, so lucky bottle right on

371
00:15:03,290 --> 00:15:06,200
North.
You gotta.

372
00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:09,300
Remember.
A spray bottle.

373
00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:11,780
Of water which when applied
pressure.

374
00:15:11,790 --> 00:15:13,970
Before you press this button and
it just like sprayed out.

375
00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:16,480
It was crazy.
You air pressure or something?

376
00:15:19,060 --> 00:15:21,670
So she gave it to Andrew and
said, right, winner gets to

377
00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,010
spray the loser.
And I was like bloody caught,

378
00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,910
pretty difficult.
So Andrews there, he sprays me,

379
00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:30,430
water all over my face.
And then Chloe just goes, yeah,

380
00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,270
made that completely.
That's my secret mission.

381
00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:37,020
So her secret mission was to get
someone else to spray someone

382
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:39,270
else in with water in the face.
Yeah.

383
00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:42,180
And and and she did it like, and
it was just everyone fell for

384
00:15:42,190 --> 00:15:42,540
it.
And I was.

385
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:44,840
And so that wasn't even a thing.
So I'm stood there with water

386
00:15:44,850 --> 00:15:46,750
dripping off my face.
And I was like, well, so this

387
00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,460
isn't this isn't a normal thing
to happen.

388
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:50,220
No, no, It's just soaking wet.
Thank you.

389
00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:53,660
She just happened to have a
spray bottle filled with water

390
00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:55,040
there.
And I was like, why do you even

391
00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:56,760
have that if it's not for like
some sort of force?

392
00:15:56,770 --> 00:15:58,590
They watered and she was like,
yeah, we just, we just spread

393
00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,500
down the board.
And I was like, that's so funny

394
00:16:00,510 --> 00:16:03,020
that you had you got that card.
It was perfect for you.

395
00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:05,070
And Dylan was wet.
And then from that point, you

396
00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,070
just carried on losing.
And the best bit was the the

397
00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,580
moment that I saw your soul
leave your body like your eyes

398
00:16:10,590 --> 00:16:12,050
sort of like they're, they're
they were dead.

399
00:16:12,060 --> 00:16:14,460
I was there was nothing there.
There was nothing left right

400
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:16,360
when we're playing crazy golf,
which was like three or four

401
00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:20,290
games in at this point.
And and Dylan spent a solid like

402
00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:24,150
30 seconds completely ripping
one of our shooters for all they

403
00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,170
had to do What you had to hit
the ball at this hill that was

404
00:16:26,180 --> 00:16:30,420
maybe like 22 foot with this
massive wide opening to go into

405
00:16:30,430 --> 00:16:32,110
this metal tube.
It was just a silly one at the

406
00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,470
end.
She missed like five in a row.

407
00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,010
It was.
Funny.

408
00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:36,920
Missed 5 and at one point even
like managed to chip the ball on

409
00:16:36,930 --> 00:16:39,640
top of this metal thing and we
will see laughing at her.

410
00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:43,520
And Dylan was really taking the
Mick went up last and honestly

411
00:16:43,530 --> 00:16:46,860
did the exact same thing.
He was like 5 or 6 times chipped

412
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:48,760
on top of the thing.
She was lovely and she was

413
00:16:48,770 --> 00:16:51,410
absolutely rinsing you back.
And I just, I just looked at him

414
00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:52,840
thinking this is the man that
plays golf.

415
00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:55,900
This is the man that bought a
nice, nice set of golf clubs and

416
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:58,140
goes to the driving range and he
can't hit up.

417
00:16:58,150 --> 00:17:01,080
He can't put a ball too foot
into a massive hole.

418
00:17:02,610 --> 00:17:04,670
Good fun, Hayden.
And the last thing I will say

419
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,910
about that evening is we ended
in karaoke and we're a bunch of

420
00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,329
teachers saying the karaoke
room, having a drink and we

421
00:17:10,339 --> 00:17:13,470
found cauliflowers fluffy on the
karaoke machine and made it real

422
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,089
about it.
Go to our Instagram at Teach St

423
00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:17,970
repeat podcast.
Five teachers sat there, I've

424
00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:21,390
got the mic and we're literally
seeing cauliflowers fluffy and

425
00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,349
cabbages green, and then you
just go.

426
00:17:25,150 --> 00:17:28,300
In the video.
Because obviously there's no

427
00:17:28,310 --> 00:17:29,960
idea what's on our socials.
Yeah, watch that.

428
00:17:29,970 --> 00:17:32,190
Watch it.
Yeah, I thought that was, I was

429
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,300
really funny.
That was really.

430
00:17:33,310 --> 00:17:33,730
Funny.
Yeah.

431
00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:37,960
So good night out.
Yeah, and, and jokes aside, our

432
00:17:37,970 --> 00:17:40,530
tutors are unbelievably good,
all of them, aren't they?

433
00:17:40,620 --> 00:17:42,760
Yeah, brilliant.
Yeah.

434
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,600
Trying to be sentimental for a
minute.

435
00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:47,100
They are great and we're very.
Lucky and we're really

436
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:51,120
passionate, I think about
providing tutoring opportunities

437
00:17:51,130 --> 00:17:54,740
to these people because we know
how, I don't know about you, but

438
00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:57,540
in terms of teaching, I just
think it's unbelievable the

439
00:17:57,550 --> 00:17:59,330
amount of work you do for the
money you get paid for this kind

440
00:17:59,340 --> 00:18:00,430
of stuff.
So providing those

441
00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,320
opportunities, I hope they I
hope they think that it's a good

442
00:18:04,330 --> 00:18:05,860
deal.
I'm sure it isn't, but they're

443
00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:06,720
great.
They're amazing.

444
00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:10,360
If they don't, as far as Dylan
sentiment goes.

445
00:18:10,370 --> 00:18:16,090
You're a teacher, suck it up.
Yeah, So alright anyway, I hope

446
00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:20,880
you all get the gist of this
like hearted funny joking thing.

447
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,570
Dylan said to me before this
episode hidden stop waffling.

448
00:18:25,580 --> 00:18:27,540
You gotta stop waffling so much
because I when I make the old

449
00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:29,910
clips for Instagram, you know,
you often go on it.

450
00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,810
Look listen to.
Him Let's move on to the main

451
00:18:31,820 --> 00:18:36,720
bulk of our episode.
Hayden play the Jingle, right?

452
00:18:36,730 --> 00:18:40,060
So you've seen the title of the
episode, Do we need a new

453
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:42,220
national curriculum?
It's been about 10 years since

454
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:44,620
the last one was introduced.
Obviously it was introduced by

455
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:47,530
the previous coalition
government from 2010 who were

456
00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:49,910
working on it for a few years.
Michael Gove spearheaded it.

457
00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:55,320
Lots of Flack at the time from
people in education, but it's

458
00:18:55,330 --> 00:18:57,640
just feeling now that perhaps
with the new government coming

459
00:18:57,650 --> 00:19:00,560
in it, would it be something
sensible to do?

460
00:19:00,570 --> 00:19:03,950
So before we dive into the
actual realistic side of it,

461
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,320
which will be the bulk of this
conversation just on the surface

462
00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:10,050
level of our current national
curriculum.

463
00:19:10,090 --> 00:19:11,800
Hmm.
And what are your thoughts on

464
00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:13,110
it?
Is it suitable?

465
00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,360
Do you think that it does the
job or do you think that it

466
00:19:15,370 --> 00:19:18,240
should be replaced?
I don't think it's a bad

467
00:19:18,250 --> 00:19:20,000
national curriculum.
I don't want to jump in and be

468
00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:22,570
like, Oh yes, obviously because
the Tories made it or you ever

469
00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:25,690
made it, whatever.
I think there are some areas

470
00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:28,900
that could definitely be
changed, some areas that could

471
00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:31,040
be maybe improved and some areas
that could be scrapped.

472
00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:32,380
So I don't think it's a terrible
curriculum.

473
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:35,110
If I think about our kids,
right, the average kid, they,

474
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,410
they get a pretty decent
education, especially through

475
00:19:37,420 --> 00:19:38,760
primary school.
I suppose we can't really talk

476
00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:40,650
too much about secondary school.
We know a little bit about the

477
00:19:40,660 --> 00:19:43,890
curriculum, but primary school
is our thing.

478
00:19:43,930 --> 00:19:45,590
I don't know, That's my guy.
It's a bit all over the place,

479
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,900
you know, It's not very good
answer, sorry.

480
00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:48,780
But how are you feeling about it
then?

481
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,880
This thing wasn't really
something I was thinking about

482
00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:53,600
until someone else brought it up
again.

483
00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:55,720
I think it was people who aren't
in education.

484
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,770
They were talking about general
election because obviously loads

485
00:19:57,780 --> 00:19:59,480
of content out there at the
minute, people just talking

486
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:01,540
about what's going on at the
minute because there's gonna be

487
00:20:01,550 --> 00:20:04,280
a new government.
And it was something someone

488
00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:07,760
mentioned again who wasn't in
school and they said they were

489
00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:09,190
asked the question in a Q&A
special.

490
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,700
They're just like a political
analyst.

491
00:20:11,230 --> 00:20:13,420
And the question was should we
have a national curriculum?

492
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:15,440
It's been 10 years, is getting a
bit old.

493
00:20:15,450 --> 00:20:18,010
Could we update it could be
modernise it and it's very much

494
00:20:18,020 --> 00:20:21,370
in the prism of pure.
I guess is where the question

495
00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:23,790
comes from.
It was like pure utopian kind of

496
00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:26,290
view of the curriculum of, you
know, of course we could have a

497
00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:27,810
new curriculum.
Do you think we could, we could

498
00:20:27,820 --> 00:20:30,270
modernise how we teach history
in our in our role in the world,

499
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,030
move away from the whole empire
thing and not have a Britain

500
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,830
centric thing where Britain was
always amazing and look at these

501
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,310
things we did.
And and like, I couldn't really

502
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,480
disagree with anything this
person was saying in terms of it

503
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:42,980
would obviously modernising the
curriculum in that way would be

504
00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:45,350
good because even though only 10
years ago, I would argue it's

505
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,570
quite an old fashioned
curriculum.

506
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:48,350
Yeah.
Think Gove was rooted in his own

507
00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,280
experiences of education and the
private schools, you know, that

508
00:20:51,290 --> 00:20:54,080
he went to and and that kind of
it was almost it was almost like

509
00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:56,980
coined a Victorian almost kind
of a Victorian era one.

510
00:20:56,990 --> 00:21:00,540
I think someone mentioned before
one part of this new push of the

511
00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:03,910
the curriculum was like it was
literally given as an example by

512
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,440
the government to how you could
punish children as a sanction

513
00:21:07,450 --> 00:21:10,760
would be laps around the field.
Like like the whole thing was

514
00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,780
like, I mean people basically
saying this is so old like, of

515
00:21:13,790 --> 00:21:17,000
course you shouldn't punish have
have exercise as a punishment is

516
00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:18,060
so backwards.
Yeah.

517
00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,980
And that kind of sticks with me
a little bit.

518
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:22,120
And I was like, cool.
And on, on the surface, I, I

519
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:25,430
don't think anyone suggesting we
should change the curriculum.

520
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:28,370
I don't think you could say to
someone that's automatically

521
00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:30,090
bad.
And I, and I would argue that

522
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:33,470
you could make it good, but then
you end up in the realm of like

523
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,970
realism and, and it's like, OK,
well, how would we make sure it

524
00:21:35,980 --> 00:21:38,290
was actually good?
What would be defined as good?

525
00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:39,810
Like what, what should we get
rid of?

526
00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:42,130
What should we do?
That's where it gets murky.

527
00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:44,850
I think what do you think needs
more attention, the core

528
00:21:44,860 --> 00:21:47,730
curriculums or the wider
curriculum stuff in your

529
00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:49,540
opinion?
Like if anyone listening is not

530
00:21:49,550 --> 00:21:50,700
maybe in the teaching world
correctly.

531
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:54,240
We're talking about maths and
English mainly and also science,

532
00:21:54,250 --> 00:21:56,480
even though that's kind of, to
be honest with you, been sort of

533
00:21:56,490 --> 00:21:58,640
pushed out of the core
curriculum really.

534
00:21:59,270 --> 00:22:00,570
So let's just think about
English.

535
00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:01,480
What do you think needs more
work?

536
00:22:01,490 --> 00:22:03,730
Maths and English or kind of
everything?

537
00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:07,120
Else, I think they both need, I
think they both need work that's

538
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:10,620
very different and I think it
should be separated completely.

539
00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:13,700
So in general, you know, do we
need a national curriculum?

540
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:16,620
I don't think we need one, but I
think it could be done really

541
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:18,620
well.
So now we're going to like you

542
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:20,170
saying, think about what
actually needs to be done.

543
00:22:20,180 --> 00:22:23,210
Then I would separate maths and
English to the to the rest of

544
00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:25,350
the curriculum, honestly would
especially for primary.

545
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,690
And anyone who looks at the
curriculum will kind of probably

546
00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:29,050
know what I'm gonna say straight
away.

547
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:32,350
Because if you look at the
national curriculum there, the

548
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,850
national curriculum is about 200
pages long for primary school.

549
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,530
OK, I'm, I'm gonna rough
spitball here.

550
00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:41,720
Around 60 odd pages of maths,
around 6070 odd pages in

551
00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:44,610
English, and then there's quite
a few pages for science as well.

552
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,010
Yeah.
And then when it comes to the

553
00:22:47,220 --> 00:22:50,090
wider curriculum, the geography
curriculum is literally one or

554
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:52,110
two sides.
The history curriculum is one or

555
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,710
two, the whole of primary.
So we're talking like one 60th

556
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,860
of the maths.
So when you ask me what we

557
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:59,890
should do for core curriculum,
English and maths, my gut

558
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:02,090
instinct is it needs to just
simply be stripped back.

559
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,690
Yeah, I, I think the content,
there's nothing on there that I

560
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:07,170
think it's bad.
I think it all makes

561
00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:09,610
progressions sense.
I think it's fine.

562
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,990
What I would say is though, it
probably goes up to, I reckon

563
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,790
year eight or nine.
Like what?

564
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,330
Honestly, I would add some extra
stuff obviously in 7-8 and nine,

565
00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:19,760
but not just that curriculum,
but there are certain things in

566
00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:21,630
this English and maths
curriculum I would spread out

567
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,080
and I would drop from primary
school.

568
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,440
Now, my problem with that is,
although I think most teachers

569
00:23:27,450 --> 00:23:30,260
will be in agreement with that
statement, that will never

570
00:23:30,270 --> 00:23:31,620
happen when a new government.
Does.

571
00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:33,330
Of course it won't.
Well, why not tell me that?

572
00:23:33,340 --> 00:23:35,260
There's an obvious reason why,
but you you tell.

573
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:37,620
Me, it would be such an easy
thing to do, right?

574
00:23:37,630 --> 00:23:39,620
In terms of wouldn't really cost
anything.

575
00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:42,090
You would just say to teachers,
look, don't do this, focus on

576
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,420
the other stuff, which teachers
are pretty much probably doing

577
00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:47,530
anyway.
The problem is it's horrendous

578
00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:49,640
optics.
Yeah, if you're a government and

579
00:23:49,650 --> 00:23:52,830
you come in and you know,
whether Labour want to try and

580
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,570
do something for education or
not, if they if they come in and

581
00:23:55,580 --> 00:23:58,000
literally go to teachers and
say, well, what do you want?

582
00:23:58,120 --> 00:23:59,690
You want English and maths
stripped back?

583
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,340
OK, yeah, just drop all that
stuff.

584
00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:03,420
Crack on.
An easier curriculum.

585
00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:05,850
Horrendous.
Yeah, an easier curriculum.

586
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,330
Can you imagine what the Daily?
Mail Yeah, I'll be the Tories

587
00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,760
that de skilling our children.
Yeah.

588
00:24:10,770 --> 00:24:12,880
That's what they say.
They wouldn't hear any at the

589
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:13,600
end of it, would you?
And.

590
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:15,930
There's no way they do that.
They they, they they literally.

591
00:24:16,020 --> 00:24:17,970
Really political suicide, even
though hilariously is kind of

592
00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:20,280
what's needed.
I think we're, I think about, I

593
00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:22,520
mean, English is, is actually
the more obvious one to me

594
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:25,660
having having taught year 6
English for a couple of years

595
00:24:25,670 --> 00:24:28,480
now.
I just, I just can't get over

596
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:30,630
the fact that they have to be
perfect writers by the end of

597
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,670
year six.
I'm not exaggerating if you're

598
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,110
not in education.
I'm not just being the old

599
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,480
classic teachers moaning,
exaggerating about the of course

600
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:38,160
not perfect writers.
They've got years of secondary

601
00:24:38,170 --> 00:24:39,340
school yet.
I'm not joking.

602
00:24:39,410 --> 00:24:42,270
They have to be to be expected
at the end of year six.

603
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,100
You're.
Writing age expected age

604
00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:46,930
expected any child should.
Be all supposed to achieve.

605
00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:48,280
They're supposed to achieve
that.

606
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:51,550
You have to be a perfect writer.
You have to have mastered all

607
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,470
punctuation, your sentences.
Sentences have to be

608
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,490
consistently perfectly coherent
with a wide variety of sentence

609
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,370
structures.
I just, it's just mad to me.

610
00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:04,780
I always think, and maybe I
could be humbled by a secondary

611
00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:07,840
school teacher, but I genuinely
don't understand what they do at

612
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:09,590
secondary school after that is
like, what's the point?

613
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,650
Some of the writers in my class
now, I look at them, I think,

614
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,350
cool, I, I couldn't write at
that level by university level.

615
00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:17,610
I just couldn't, I just couldn't
do it yet.

616
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,070
And they're already writing on
that level.

617
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,940
And I'm like, I don't.
Know that's a bad thing though,

618
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:21,880
that you couldn't write that
like.

619
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:23,210
That maybe, yeah, because they
can.

620
00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:25,390
And maybe maybe if I was pushing
a different way I could have.

621
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,800
There's always that counter
argument.

622
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:29,410
But what I don't understand is
what on earth are we supposed to

623
00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:31,650
do in second school after that?
And you don't mean secondary

624
00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:34,410
school aren't doing anything?
No, you mean we've done it?

625
00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:35,770
We've done.
We've completed writing.

626
00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:39,790
And, and the problem with that
is not, I don't actually think

627
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,230
many children are getting to
that level.

628
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,490
We've got this aid expected.
And the whole idea is all

629
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,860
children or as close to as all
children as possible are

630
00:25:45,870 --> 00:25:47,110
supposed to be able to reach
this standard.

631
00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:50,330
But realistically, I don't
think, I think less than 50% of

632
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:52,040
children can actually reach that
standard.

633
00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,930
We've just got this crazy high
bar and we can talk about all

634
00:25:54,940 --> 00:25:57,190
the reasons that, you know,
maybe the stats still look all

635
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,210
right, like the national average
is like 70 odd percent still.

636
00:26:00,220 --> 00:26:02,910
And I'm like, yeah, because
teachers are on their knees

637
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,790
bending rules to make to make
this writing look good.

638
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,070
It's like then the kids aren't
really that level.

639
00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:10,140
We're just pretending.
So it would look terrible if

640
00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:12,910
Labour terrible if Labour came
in or whoever comes in probably

641
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,120
be Labour, realistically.
Yeah.

642
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,690
And we're like, oh, we recognise
this problem.

643
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:19,090
They're very logical head on.
We can see actually that the

644
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,490
standards for six children are
just absurdly high.

645
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,930
It puts loads of pressure on
teachers, encourages cheating

646
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,730
because no one can actually
reach this standard to a

647
00:26:25,740 --> 00:26:28,410
national average of 70% or
whatever, really.

648
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,250
So we're going to strip it back.
We've realised that they've got

649
00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:33,670
another six years of school
after this, so we can probably

650
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,840
slow down a little bit and the
Year 6 standard is now more like

651
00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:38,800
maybe the end of year 4 standard
and you just need to get them

652
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:40,340
really, really good at these
things.

653
00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:43,660
And maybe more creative and more
interesting and and and more

654
00:26:43,670 --> 00:26:45,900
imaginative with their.
Writing, I always compare that,

655
00:26:45,910 --> 00:26:48,200
and I know I've said this
before, but I always compare my

656
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:51,340
year seven books with what the
kids do now because I just think

657
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:53,820
it's fascinating how when I was
at school it was about

658
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:55,930
creativity.
And that's one thing that was

659
00:26:55,940 --> 00:26:58,640
good about my writing in year
seven, was really creative, had

660
00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:00,800
nice ideas in it, but the
spelling, punctuation wasn't

661
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:02,580
that good.
I still had lots of things to

662
00:27:02,590 --> 00:27:04,630
learn and I learned them at
secondary school slowly.

663
00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:07,320
And I just think, I look at that
and I compare it with some of

664
00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:09,690
the kids writing now, which is
really robotic, extremely

665
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,530
formulaic, but perfectly
punctuated.

666
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,450
No creativity.
They struggle with creativity so

667
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:16,730
much.
Because it's not built in to to

668
00:27:16,740 --> 00:27:19,680
teach them how to be creative.
Yeah, we can't sit and moan as

669
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:22,360
teachers and be like, oh God,
they can't have any ideas

670
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:24,130
themselves.
So, yeah, because we spent the

671
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:26,410
last three weeks talking about
where prepositions go in a

672
00:27:26,420 --> 00:27:28,880
sentence and how to add to our
word to make it past tense.

673
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:31,270
Like what?
What do you, what do you think's

674
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,160
gonna happen?
Honestly, that's all they're

675
00:27:33,170 --> 00:27:35,870
thinking about is the, the
actual, you know, building

676
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,680
blocks of how to build that
sentence.

677
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:40,340
Yeah.
They've got no outer level stuff

678
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:42,160
of thinking of the whole
picture, because we do.

679
00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:44,850
So much sentence level work and
how to make the colon go in the

680
00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:45,730
right place.
Ohh.

681
00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:47,320
Because Collins have to join two
things together.

682
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:48,660
OK, cool.
What's actually going to go in

683
00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:50,370
your sentences though?
Yeah, that's the interesting

684
00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:51,440
bit.
I mean, a lot of anxious kids

685
00:27:51,450 --> 00:27:56,370
over the years, a lot of anxious
kids who are so, so drilled into

686
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:58,570
them that they have to get the
punctuation and like, structure

687
00:27:58,580 --> 00:28:02,140
right, that they actually just
feel afraid to just explore and

688
00:28:02,150 --> 00:28:03,850
be adventurous with their
language and stuff because they

689
00:28:03,860 --> 00:28:05,790
know they'll get ripped apart.
Because the curriculum

690
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,590
encourages ripping apart kids
who aren't doing the punctuation

691
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,690
stuff right rather than ohh,
well done.

692
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:13,430
This is really creative.
Let's just not worry about the

693
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,610
Commons for now.
Learn that in another.

694
00:28:14,620 --> 00:28:19,090
Year, yeah, I've always found it
really interesting how writing

695
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:21,610
in year six, OK or any year
group I suppose, but we're

696
00:28:21,620 --> 00:28:23,390
talking about year six end of
key stage two.

697
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,620
There's almost this bell curve
right of there's children at the

698
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:30,090
what would be regarded as the
lower end of the assessment who

699
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,860
might be below or working
towards not right at the level.

700
00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:35,700
And they would be kind of one of
the big things that might be put

701
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:37,760
to them is that your your
writing's not coherent.

702
00:28:37,770 --> 00:28:39,020
It doesn't follow the rules
properly.

703
00:28:39,030 --> 00:28:40,660
It doesn't it doesn't have full
stops in the right places.

704
00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:43,040
He's not full sentences.
This doesn't quite work, doesn't

705
00:28:43,050 --> 00:28:45,320
quite make sense.
Then you enter the bulk of the

706
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:47,360
bell curve where you know,
children have worked really hard

707
00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:49,650
to make sure it makes sense.
There's not much reward for

708
00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:51,960
imagination or anything like
that, but they're using the GPS

709
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:53,580
rules correctly.
It's awesome.

710
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:55,600
It makes sense.
Like nicely ticked all the boxes

711
00:28:55,610 --> 00:28:57,540
you're expected.
Then the bell curve comes back

712
00:28:57,550 --> 00:29:00,220
down again and it's almost like
we enter the realm of before

713
00:29:00,230 --> 00:29:03,720
expected where now greater depth
children, as long as they've

714
00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:06,960
shown they can do all that stuff
in the middle to obtain greater

715
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:09,950
depth, which is insanely hard to
the end of year six and actually

716
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,340
be greater depth.
You've kind of got to regress

717
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:15,650
and and challenge those norms
and experiment with things and

718
00:29:15,660 --> 00:29:18,800
add what people always say
flare, which is this really

719
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:21,580
undefined term, which just what
do greater depth writers need to

720
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:24,560
have flare?
It could be, you know,

721
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:26,610
experimenting with word meaning.
It could be experience with

722
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:28,030
vocabulary.
It could be experimenting with

723
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,100
sentence length, could be
experimenting with, you know, in

724
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:33,430
speech, not quite using the
right spellings because you're

725
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,650
writing down an accent.
Yeah, the formality change, the

726
00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:37,750
formality shift, and it's like,
cool.

727
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,650
So we recognise that that kind
of going against the grain and

728
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:43,150
really pushing.
The being creative.

729
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,570
And being creative is an
incredibly vital skill to be in

730
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:48,770
a well-rounded writer.
Yeah, but we completely ignore

731
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:50,780
it until children can do all the
robotic things.

732
00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:52,810
Yeah, well, and it just seems so
backwards to.

733
00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:53,950
Me the building blocks are
wrong, aren't?

734
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,910
They Yeah, completely wrong
because what we should be

735
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,640
encouraging is a love for
reading right, separately and

736
00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:02,360
reading lessons and a love for
novels and a love for children's

737
00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:05,120
writing, which a lot of the and
doesn't follow these really

738
00:30:05,130 --> 00:30:07,240
archaic rules that we have to
follow in our own writing

739
00:30:07,290 --> 00:30:09,130
because I've had children.
But the hand and say there's

740
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:12,030
there's no comma after that
fronted verbial in this book by

741
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,260
an award-winning, winning
writer, you know, Michael

742
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:17,900
Morpurgo.
It's like, yeah, well, maybe

743
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:19,980
it's not that important and it's
yeah, you're right.

744
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:21,510
It's just so backwards.
And I think we should be

745
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120
building this up at the same
time, you know, if children are

746
00:30:24,130 --> 00:30:27,020
showing that they're developing
their imagination and they're,

747
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:31,180
you know, comma understanding of
like, OK, well, clearly when

748
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:33,850
this child wrote a news report,
that was very different when

749
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:35,910
they wrote an adventure story,
which was also very different to

750
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,180
when they wrote a non fiction
text, like a fact file that

751
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:41,100
that's that's awesome.
And, and also they're, they're

752
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:43,400
kind of developing their use of
capital letters and they're

753
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:45,110
developing their use of commas
in the right place.

754
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,190
That should be the progression.
It feels like at the minute.

755
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,250
Simply just look at the GPS
scale.

756
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:52,030
Are they doing all of the GPS
things correctly?

757
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,300
Oh my God.
Only thing that's improved.

758
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:55,010
They built this entire tower
properly.

759
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,450
First.
We should probably add some

760
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:58,320
imagination and some flare into.
This Yeah.

761
00:30:58,330 --> 00:31:01,120
And you know what?
Good teachers around the country

762
00:31:01,130 --> 00:31:04,190
do that genuinely.
And but my problem with the

763
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,690
system is I don't think it
should rely purely on really,

764
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,050
really, really good, like
English teachers who just.

765
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,040
I know that sounds silly.
But take it into their own.

766
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:18,980
Yeah, like.
That's one of the points are

767
00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:20,700
gonna make up the curriculum.
So let's make that point right

768
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:22,100
now.
You think you're making a really

769
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:24,180
good point.
And and it's almost a reason why

770
00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:27,000
we don't necessarily need a new
national curriculum is because

771
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:28,970
teachers really know this
curriculum like the back of

772
00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:30,640
their hand.
Now we we understand it well,

773
00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:33,120
we've put a lot of work into
this curriculum, especially in

774
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:35,540
the first few years, you know,
moving mass to a mastery

775
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:36,750
approach and going for it that
way.

776
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,120
Mastery, mastery, when my
Northern roots came out then

777
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:42,140
and, you know, in English, like,
you know, the, the spelling rule

778
00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:44,780
completion and the new writing
assessment stuff, teachers have

779
00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:48,350
really taken it and I would
argue moulded it so that we're

780
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,710
still meeting the national
curriculum, but in a way which

781
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,580
is suitable for our children.
And essentially what you're

782
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:54,340
saying there is, I don't think
there are many teachers out

783
00:31:54,350 --> 00:31:56,970
there who actually completely
ignore the imagination aspect.

784
00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:59,310
No, but the problem we have
here, the beef we have is it's

785
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:59,960
not rewarded.
Yeah.

786
00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:02,130
The default, the default
position if you're just in the

787
00:32:02,140 --> 00:32:03,310
curriculum, doesn't encourage
it.

788
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,020
So maybe you could, maybe you
could expand on what you're

789
00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:06,930
saying there.
Because in general, I would say

790
00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:09,500
one of the arguments against the
whole new national curriculum is

791
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:11,710
we're, we're we're kind of
finally now in a pretty good

792
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,480
place with the curriculum where
lots of work's been done.

793
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:16,330
Teachers know what they need to
do.

794
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,050
We're doing it.
So what would you say to someone

795
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:21,050
who says let's not change it?
Then we kind of know.

796
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:23,260
Yeah, I agree.
Because the massive, massive

797
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:25,450
biggest con to this is workload,
isn't it really?

798
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:28,390
We're, we're, we're at a tipping
point in teaching already where

799
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,110
people are going on strike
multiple times because workload

800
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,890
is so dire in this job.
Realistically, if we take out of

801
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,030
the ideology of all of this and
actually just think about the

802
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,520
real world, the last thing
teachers need right now is a

803
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:42,990
complete overhaul of the entire
curriculum like maths, English

804
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,860
and all of the wider stuff.
That would be mental really,

805
00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:46,960
wouldn't it?
You know?

806
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:50,580
So I guess if you ask me in a
realistic point of view whether

807
00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:52,940
I think we need a new
curriculum, my answer is no.

808
00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:56,390
And that's not because I don't
think it can be improved.

809
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,410
It's purely because at that
point.

810
00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:59,720
And, and, and I would add to
that, I suppose that what you're

811
00:32:59,730 --> 00:33:03,180
saying there, if it is a
workload related thing, the only

812
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:05,660
way we could really fix that is
to strip back the curriculum,

813
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,370
which the new government will
never do.

814
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:09,390
So it's like, OK, well, here are
the two options.

815
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,180
OK, neither of them are good.
The increased curriculum

816
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:15,460
completely changed is not good
for our workload and retention,

817
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:17,750
which is in crisis.
But then the actual thing we

818
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,260
need, which is a strip back
curriculum, that's bad for the

819
00:33:20,270 --> 00:33:21,680
government who are government
optics.

820
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:24,590
So it never needs to happen and
unfortunately.

821
00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:26,620
The government optics will
always matter more than what

822
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:29,240
children need so completely into
them, yes.

823
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:31,320
So it will never ever, ever not
be the case.

824
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:34,520
Do you think very generic
question here, I don't expect a

825
00:33:34,570 --> 00:33:38,660
long answer, but do you think if
Labour gets voted in and we have

826
00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:40,820
a brand new government, do you
think things will actually

827
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:45,170
change the teaching?
No, we said this term we didn't

828
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:50,770
have before and after talking
just I've just lost faith in

829
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:53,210
humanity, not humanity in this
government, I think because

830
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:56,560
we've lived our entire adult
lives under the Tories.

831
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:58,920
And just it, it felt like every
year was eating away.

832
00:33:58,930 --> 00:34:00,810
Yeah, getting progressive.
Nothing was getting.

833
00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:03,160
Better it's, it's just, I don't
know, to me it's just it's gone

834
00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:03,980
too far.
It's gone.

835
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:05,380
I think we needed, we needed
fix.

836
00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:08,179
We needed it to be fixed like 10
years ago if we had a chance.

837
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:10,650
It's like global warming and how
they say it's kind of gone past

838
00:34:10,659 --> 00:34:12,739
the point of no return.
Now we can only just like help

839
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:14,909
to make things better.
I kind of feel like that now as

840
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,719
well.
I don't I can't see a way that

841
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:20,960
that any government could come
in now and actually fix anything

842
00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:25,380
because we are in so much debt.
We've got into such bad state

843
00:34:25,389 --> 00:34:28,489
with the of the country where
money is just being drained out

844
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,370
of every possible orifice of
this country.

845
00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:32,870
You know what I mean?
This is a horrible, horrible

846
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,270
analogy.
I don't know.

847
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,570
I just, I just don't know what
labour can do.

848
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:38,219
Like people often say, where's
that magic money tree and they,

849
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:39,870
you know, taking place?
But there is also that part of

850
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,510
me that's like, yeah, I don't, I
don't know.

851
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:42,909
I don't.
Know magic money trees being

852
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,850
used to send 18 year olds on
national service.

853
00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:47,280
Yeah, unfunded, yeah.
Like, you know, I'm sure they

854
00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:49,469
could claw back a bit, but I'm
like, I don't know what we need

855
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,949
to do because NHS is on its
knees.

856
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,010
This is the thing, we don't live
in a bubble of just education.

857
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,830
All public services are
absolutely, completely,

858
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,500
completely and utterly destroyed
in terms of budget and we've

859
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:04,650
already had to make it work on
the terrible budget and it's

860
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:06,190
still failing.
It's like there's like a double

861
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,180
whammy of they'd need so much
money to to make to fix it.

862
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:12,860
So we need more staff and they
all need more paying and we need

863
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:14,280
all the equipment and resources
as well.

864
00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:16,280
Like for all of these public
services, like we've lost out on

865
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:18,080
all of it.
We need it all at once to make

866
00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:20,020
it good.
It's not going to happen, so

867
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:21,300
it's not going.
To happen, I don't know, it

868
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:22,940
fills me of a bit of anxiety
actually.

869
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:26,200
Yeah, this is.
This is why I think they might

870
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:29,580
edge towards introducing a
curriculum because from their

871
00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:33,440
point of view, a Pro is that
it's it's kind of a cheap way of

872
00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:36,680
going about making change.
Like OK, of course you need to

873
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:38,680
pay people to create the
curriculum and implement it and

874
00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:42,750
stuff like that, but the overall
budget spend on introducing a

875
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,930
new curriculum would be much
more manageable than actually

876
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:47,880
fixing the retention.
Of you also just don't need to

877
00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:50,000
pay them because that's what the
government, that's what we're

878
00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:51,790
used to in terms.
Of but they won't pay teachers

879
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,030
to do it actually, but they'll
need to pay, you know, people to

880
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,530
write to them and, and, and
things to go in there like that.

881
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:57,920
It would obviously have a cost
associated.

882
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:59,290
I don't pretend it would be
free.

883
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,850
But when we compare with what we
actually need, which is if if

884
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:05,330
you were to restore teachers pay
to where it would be just in

885
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:07,850
terms of in line with inflation,
right, that that is an

886
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:10,060
incomparable figure.
It couldn't happen, no.

887
00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:12,060
And and that's why I feel quite
pessimistic.

888
00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:13,560
Actually, yeah, that's why
that's what I mean about.

889
00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:15,750
It's too far gone.
We could never repair it now

890
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,500
because our, you know, teachers
wage and educational staff wage

891
00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:21,520
has been eating away out for so
long it's now impossible to get

892
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:22,900
back to where.
It was, but that's what winds me

893
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:24,900
up because they kind of, you
thought you, you hear Labour

894
00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:27,800
talk about this and rightly or
wrongly, probably rightly to be

895
00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:30,150
fair, they say, you know, with
junior doctors going on strike,

896
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,520
especially as another example,
they want a 35% rise in their

897
00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:35,880
pay.
And that's, that's not a figure

898
00:36:35,890 --> 00:36:38,220
plucked at us in air.
That is where their pay should

899
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:40,740
be if they hadn't been squeezed
so badly over the last 10 to 15

900
00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:41,170
years.
Yeah.

901
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:42,910
So that's what they want, pay
restoration.

902
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,770
That's the big thing.
And if teachers want pay

903
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:47,010
restoration, I think we're in
the 20s of percent or something

904
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:47,960
like that.
Yeah.

905
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:50,420
Huge amount of money.
And the problem I have is

906
00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:53,250
currently Labour can kind of
rightfully turn around and say

907
00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:55,950
that's unreasonable.
We don't we don't have that

908
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,880
amount of money right now.
We're, you know, the economy is

909
00:36:57,890 --> 00:37:00,730
not growing very well.
And, you know, we, we can't fix

910
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:03,450
10 years of cuts in one fell
swoop.

911
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:04,900
Yeah.
And I'm like, cool.

912
00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:06,870
But then that is kind of the end
of what they say.

913
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,320
They're just like, so we won't
nothing.

914
00:37:09,330 --> 00:37:15,960
And it's like 10% then 5%, yeah.
Bonus like a 10.

915
00:37:15,970 --> 00:37:19,910
Year plan, you're stripping back
our workload maybe, but no.

916
00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:23,690
And in terms of the in terms of
the health thing, Labour have

917
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:25,750
simply said no, sorry, that's
unreasonable.

918
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,400
By the way, we're going to clear
the backlog, We're going to

919
00:37:28,410 --> 00:37:29,850
clear the NHS waiting list
backlog.

920
00:37:31,090 --> 00:37:33,430
How?
We're gonna get staff, we're

921
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,410
gonna pay, we're gonna pay
doctors to work overtime like do

922
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:39,850
evenings and weekend clinics to
clear the backlog.

923
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,550
Unbelievable.
On Question Time the other day,

924
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,510
a doctor was in the audience,
right?

925
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,610
And she, she's put hand up
because they're shadow health

926
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:48,670
secretary Wes Streeting, who
will be our health secretary of

927
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,310
labour.
When she basically said to him,

928
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:54,390
I'm working loads already
because of what teachers do.

929
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:58,230
But I, I work an extra 10/15/20
hours a week anyway.

930
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,460
And you know, we're still under
huge pressure.

931
00:38:00,470 --> 00:38:03,790
And so who do you think exactly
will take up these extra, these

932
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,430
extra hours when I'm already in
the GP surgery doing extra

933
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,420
stuff?
And the answer was just you.

934
00:38:08,530 --> 00:38:10,940
Well, I've seen it work in my
local hospital.

935
00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:13,440
And it was just like, sorry,
there's a doctor in the

936
00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:14,460
audience, right.
Yeah.

937
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:15,840
Yeah.
Telling you it wouldn't work.

938
00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:17,940
Yeah, OK.
You've lost all credibility.

939
00:38:17,950 --> 00:38:21,500
Yeah, immediately.
And that's where already I'm

940
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:24,060
just like those people who say
it's just the same.

941
00:38:24,070 --> 00:38:27,280
I'm like, I can see why you
think that because they are

942
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:27,710
very.
Similar.

943
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,360
Probably the closest to being
the same it's ever been in terms

944
00:38:30,370 --> 00:38:33,500
of Labour and Conservative.
I would say so, but I still

945
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:36,870
don't think they're the same.
I still think that, but see why

946
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,160
people.
Have different people backing

947
00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:40,740
them, you know, it doesn't do
make an impact but but yeah,

948
00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:41,960
they are close as ever, aren't
they?

949
00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:44,390
Yeah, well, that's the whole
point of what's happened

950
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,390
recently with, you know, moving
towards the centre.

951
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:50,960
So you know what I would say,
thinking about this conversation

952
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:54,000
in general, umm, I would say we
could both get behind the

953
00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:56,000
curriculum change.
We could both understand why it

954
00:38:56,010 --> 00:38:59,440
might be needed, but what
teachers say would be needed in

955
00:38:59,450 --> 00:39:01,740
this curriculum change to what
might be actually be implemented

956
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:03,080
by the government for various
reasons.

957
00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:04,290
I don't think there's much of an
over.

958
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,690
No, not really.
And I think that teachers have

959
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:08,880
done enough of this curriculum
to make it worthwhile.

960
00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:12,640
My, my general answer to that
would be no, not at the minute.

961
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:15,100
Just just leave it.
They've got a lot to fix before

962
00:39:15,110 --> 00:39:16,560
we just dive in and do a
curriculum.

963
00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:19,080
Like you said, recruitment and
retention, But what it comes

964
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:23,750
down to them is if we're saying,
OK, let's let's not change this

965
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,250
curriculum, then let's not do it
right now.

966
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,490
It would be crazy for us to say
a new government come in and

967
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,890
let's not do anything.
Yeah, so we, we speak enough

968
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:33,950
about what needs changing.
So I guess this question has

969
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,270
evolved now into what would you
want to happen then?

970
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,460
What should we change in?
Education, I think for a start.

971
00:39:39,470 --> 00:39:42,770
I don't know if this is just a
previous previous point, but I

972
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:44,080
know it comes with funding
everything.

973
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:46,130
I'm just ignore the fact that
everything comes with money that

974
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:51,060
doesn't exist, but it would be
nice to have some equipment, end

975
00:39:51,070 --> 00:39:53,640
of sentence.
It would be nice to have some

976
00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:57,970
equipment in this school that
isn't from the Blair government.

977
00:39:58,070 --> 00:39:59,750
Do you know?
I mean like just just a bit of

978
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,140
an.
Upgrade would be nice and stuff,

979
00:40:01,150 --> 00:40:03,420
you know, lots of schools of
iPads and laptops and things

980
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:05,520
like this.
That was one push that why we

981
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:06,870
did.
There was an iPad push like

982
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,780
around the new curriculum time
about 10 years ago.

983
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:11,320
I get that we're still using
those iPads like the first

984
00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:14,360
generation Apple things.
I don't know, just I always

985
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:15,980
think, I always think of the
school hall.

986
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:17,870
Every school hall in the UK
looks the same.

987
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,000
They've all got the wall
equipment, they've all got the

988
00:40:20,010 --> 00:40:23,430
benches from 1994.
Like they're it's all the same

989
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,750
stuff.
And I would just like a a bit of

990
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,550
effort into being like, OK, it's
not Victorian times anymore.

991
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,480
What do modern kids actually
want?

992
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:33,740
What's going to make them want
to come to school and enjoy

993
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:35,790
their time at school?
A school that's not crumbling

994
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,030
because of the rat problem, or
maybe, maybe a school where it

995
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,370
doesn't leak.
Yeah, we, we just do accept,

996
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:42,630
don't we, of our school
buildings that they are absolute

997
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,310
crap.
Yeah.

998
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,150
And there's no money to repair.
And this is what I mean about

999
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,990
earlier about again, point,
point of no return.

1000
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:48,770
They needed to be fixed 10 years
ago.

1001
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:50,570
Yeah, and we don't have the
money to.

1002
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:53,050
If we fixed them all now,
because they're so beyond

1003
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:55,310
repair, it would cost so too
much money.

1004
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,910
There's just unfathomable amount
of money.

1005
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,010
We just wouldn't be able to.
Do it well.

1006
00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:59,760
The breaking point are we are 10
years of neglect.

1007
00:40:59,770 --> 00:41:01,130
Yeah, I said I was gonna happen
like what?

1008
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:02,870
What?
What actually happens when,

1009
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,930
Because the schools are just
getting worse and worse in terms

1010
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:07,460
of like the structure of them,
they are just going to fall

1011
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:09,190
down?
Well, if you look at the problem

1012
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,100
with the rack, the the concrete,
that yeah, the whole point of

1013
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:16,140
that is that is the ultimate
version of this problem where

1014
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:17,560
that's horrendous.
And this should have been

1015
00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:20,870
flagged up and fixed ages ago,
but it wasn't because the whole

1016
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,530
school rebuilding scheme was cut
and it just didn't happen.

1017
00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:24,990
Right.
That's the ultimate version of

1018
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,100
that.
What you've got to imagine is

1019
00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:28,980
everything that comes below that
level of small things in the

1020
00:41:28,990 --> 00:41:31,140
school getting broken.
Yeah, if a boiler gets broken in

1021
00:41:31,150 --> 00:41:34,320
the school, right, which is
really just random, isn't it?

1022
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:37,180
That has to come out the budget
and something else gets, you

1023
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:40,030
know, dropped because of it.
And my point is all of these

1024
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,320
small things and and I saw BBC
article the other day overhead

1025
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:47,380
who is now the janitor as well.
So they don't have a site

1026
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:48,380
manager anymore.
Wow.

1027
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:49,760
Because they wanted to save that
money.

1028
00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:52,890
The head does the site manager
duties before and after his

1029
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:56,670
headship and during lunch time.
Tricky, because his point was if

1030
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,960
I hired a site manager, I'd have
to get rid of maybe a teaching

1031
00:42:00,970 --> 00:42:02,910
assistant.
I'd have to lower the resource

1032
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,210
budget.
We wouldn't have the same thing

1033
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:06,610
for kids.
So as a head teacher, he had to

1034
00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:11,630
sit there and decide, yeah, I'm
gonna take this work on for X

1035
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,940
amount of value because it means
the kids can get their phonics

1036
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:16,520
scheme next year or something
like that.

1037
00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:19,230
That's crazy.
And it's like that's completely

1038
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,920
broken the that that that there
is, you know, let's not faff

1039
00:42:22,930 --> 00:42:26,970
around venue curriculum, OK?
All of our, you know, thought

1040
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:29,530
processes and stuff should go
into fixing this issue where

1041
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:30,550
that's seen as.
That's higher.

1042
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,380
That's my idea.
A site manager that's that's all

1043
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:35,510
the budget.
We've got enough budget to fix

1044
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,670
that one.
Giving that site manager money.

1045
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,770
But I just thought it was.
And we've worked in schools

1046
00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:42,740
where every school has this.
And if you work in a school, you

1047
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:45,020
probably can think of that one
or two people right now in your

1048
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:47,850
school who do this, where they
honestly have five jobs.

1049
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:49,940
Yeah.
And if, if that person were to

1050
00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:53,780
leave the school, mm-hmm.
It you, your school would would

1051
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:57,760
suffer huge amounts because you
would either have to get rid of

1052
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:59,900
those jobs, they don't exist
anymore and hire one person

1053
00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:03,320
because they're on one salary,
or pay five people to do those

1054
00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:05,110
jobs and your budget would be
decimated.

1055
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,020
Yeah, yeah.
Just lucky that someone does it.

1056
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:10,640
Yeah, we've got, you know, I'm
thinking about it.

1057
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:12,430
Just does everything.
And it's like, you know.

1058
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,500
What does every Sunday?
Every Sunday.

1059
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:17,310
When that person leaves, it's
like those jobs are all

1060
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,390
essential though someone.
Do them.

1061
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,930
Yeah, they just opened the score
in the morning.

1062
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:23,300
Yeah, that's basically do site
manager's job alongside our

1063
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:26,010
actual site manager.
Yeah, Does basically do the SN

1064
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:26,710
job.
Yeah.

1065
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,390
Is basically a deputy head
teacher.

1066
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,170
You know, it's like they're five
jobs.

1067
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:32,390
Yeah, yeah, It's unbelievable.
Just relies on it.

1068
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Our our school system is so
propped up, isn't it?

1069
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:37,380
I just imagine this goodwill,
imagine this picture of like all

1070
00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:39,670
these shaky foundations like
that going to crumble at some

1071
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,830
point and the whole thing is
going to.

1072
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,890
Come it's because on the top we
can just place new curriculum.

1073
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:45,560
Yeah, just checking in.
So think about that then.

1074
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:49,560
So let's go back to the
ideological world where we can

1075
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:52,090
afford to have a new curriculum.
And that's I think we need.

1076
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:54,270
I think one of the things I do
just because it's always bugged

1077
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,820
me and you might feel the same
about maths, is actually do the

1078
00:43:57,830 --> 00:44:02,010
whole curriculum.
I feel like, yeah, like in 2014

1079
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,740
when all this mastery curriculum
came in, it's like they got to

1080
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:07,510
year 6.
They're like, right, our money

1081
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,670
ran out of money, ran out of
time and then they kind of just

1082
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,750
never carried on.
No.

1083
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,630
So now up to year six, the key
stage one and two curriculum are

1084
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,030
amazing.
I think in terms of the mastery

1085
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,730
approach, I really like what
they've done with it.

1086
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:21,290
I'm sure there's a few things we
can fix, but then the kids go to

1087
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,980
year seven and, and, and I've
heard from so many parents over

1088
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:25,920
the years to come back and be
like, yeah, my kids kind of

1089
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:27,820
bored maths now because they
just haven't done anything new

1090
00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:29,720
for a year.
I'm like, oh, that's annoying

1091
00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:32,890
because I spent ages trying to
get them to like be like amazing

1092
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:35,130
at maths and and be ready.
And I hear that a lot.

1093
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:37,070
And basically the secondary
school curriculum.

1094
00:44:37,610 --> 00:44:40,500
I could be wrong, I'm not you
know, but it doesn't seem to

1095
00:44:40,510 --> 00:44:42,990
follow on.
I think you have to wait until

1096
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,290
this year 10, yeah, to to get
into the really nitty gritty.

1097
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,740
Stuff, well, easy, easy, Nagy,
we, me and you, literally

1098
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:51,140
because we were looking at GCSE
stuff, the foundation, but we

1099
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:54,260
looked at the foundation, which
is the easier of the GCSE.

1100
00:44:54,270 --> 00:44:57,560
Maths but it's still you've you
know, you do a foundation paper

1101
00:44:57,570 --> 00:44:58,740
that's.
Very fine.

1102
00:44:58,790 --> 00:45:00,480
Yeah.
You're still doing it at GCSE

1103
00:45:00,490 --> 00:45:01,970
level, which is, I always forget
what year it is.

1104
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:06,770
You're 1110, isn't it was
confused and we worked for it,

1105
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:10,210
didn't we?
And I'd say 80% of the questions

1106
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:12,070
were just end of year six
questions.

1107
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,210
And I would argue the rest of
this questions were of the level

1108
00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:16,840
that we could teach.
Yeah, yeah.

1109
00:45:16,850 --> 00:45:18,080
We didn't teach it.
Yeah.

1110
00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:19,220
Or at least yeah, seven, they
could do it.

1111
00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:20,610
Like what is it?
What are they doing then?

1112
00:45:20,650 --> 00:45:22,690
So I don't know, just as mental.
I'd actually love to.

1113
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,310
I'd never do it because a waste
of time and it's not the

1114
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,090
curriculum.
But it would be very fun if I

1115
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:29,150
just had a spare day, right, to
give some of my mathematicians

1116
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,900
in year six expected level
mathematicians, but just given

1117
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:34,390
the GCSE Foundation paper and
see if they get enough marks to

1118
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,690
pass it without knowing the
stuff they don't know yet

1119
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:38,640
haven't been taught because that
would just be.

1120
00:45:38,650 --> 00:45:40,630
Mad and again, I don't know,
actually use foundation, just

1121
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,200
one paper or two or three, I
don't know.

1122
00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:45,000
But this one, we found it was
genuinely like, what are the

1123
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:48,840
common factors of 12 and 18?
And it was like, that's year

1124
00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:50,090
four.
And you know what?

1125
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,080
And that's fine because you're
testing the whole of the

1126
00:45:52,090 --> 00:45:54,020
curriculum.
It's the same one in the Sats

1127
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:55,560
paper.
If you see year three question,

1128
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:57,960
no one goes.
That's year three counting in

1129
00:45:57,970 --> 00:45:59,560
sevens.
Yeah, OK.

1130
00:45:59,570 --> 00:46:01,420
But it's a key stage two paper
GCSE.

1131
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:03,310
We're still testing to see if
they can still do that stuff.

1132
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,710
I mean, that's fine, but you're
right, the screening we very

1133
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,830
quickly rapidly get to year six
level hmm.

1134
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,380
And then it it feels like the
rate at which we're adding to

1135
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:13,640
that knowledge does slow down.
Yeah, massively.

1136
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:15,580
The first thing I'd probably
look at and just make sure the

1137
00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:18,600
curriculum is actually fluent
all the way from the beginning

1138
00:46:18,610 --> 00:46:20,850
to the end of school.
Anything you want to jump in

1139
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:23,230
with?
Us, I heard on that that they

1140
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,220
did, they kind of ran out of
money and time, but also that

1141
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:28,870
they then just decided to shove
it all into key stage two.

1142
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,730
So apparently, from what I
heard, again, feel free to

1143
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:34,130
correct me, is that a bunch of
the stuff that we find in the

1144
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:36,540
key stage two curriculum for
maths actually initially would

1145
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:39,550
have stretched over to 7898.
So that kind of backs up what

1146
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,560
we're thinking of getting to
that foundation level.

1147
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:44,160
We would add stuff in 7-8 and
9:00, but they kind of went,

1148
00:46:44,170 --> 00:46:46,100
ohh, we ran out of money, just
whack it.

1149
00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:48,750
Yes, six ends in year six, which
is why a lot of people say now,

1150
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,400
especially been teaching for a
long time that you know what

1151
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:55,610
we're teaching kids in year six.
We used to teach them in

1152
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:58,000
secondary school and what we're
teaching kids in year 4 is what

1153
00:46:58,010 --> 00:47:00,550
we use to teach in year six.
Everything got smashed.

1154
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,420
Down.
It's true to an extent.

1155
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:02,920
There was stuff that got pushed
out as well, isn't it?

1156
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:04,160
I can't think of a good example
now.

1157
00:47:04,170 --> 00:47:06,170
In proportion maybe.
Yeah, that used to be in the.

1158
00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:09,170
Median.
Yeah, median mode range,

1159
00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:12,030
different stages that used to be
in year six and that got pushed

1160
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,510
into secondary.
So I do think there was a little

1161
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,980
bit of thought there, which I
think is a good thing that they

1162
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:18,120
went out because year six kids
don't need to know those things

1163
00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:19,930
to be honest.
We still teach the mean average

1164
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,600
year six.
They don't need to know that.

1165
00:47:21,610 --> 00:47:23,630
They don't need to not they
could do it in year 7.

1166
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,390
Year 8-9, the question in the
SAT is always honestly just like

1167
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,920
find the mean.
Yeah.

1168
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:32,090
And it's very simple.
They're not.

1169
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:34,100
I don't think they're actually
applying it for what it's.

1170
00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:36,290
Useful for no.
Actual stats actually finding

1171
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:38,010
out the average of something for
a reason and then for

1172
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:39,060
justifying.
I agree.

1173
00:47:39,070 --> 00:47:41,350
So it's it's very much just like
here's a procedure, learn it.

1174
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,870
It's like very standard and
pointless really, because I

1175
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,570
think math should be embedded in
what we're actually.

1176
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:49,130
Using context and yeah, problem
solving and real life context as

1177
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:51,490
well.
I do want to move on to another

1178
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,780
point.
They kind of didn't go past core

1179
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:57,090
curriculum earlier.
Yeah.

1180
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,560
We kind of talked about me.
I mean, strip it back a little

1181
00:47:59,570 --> 00:48:00,010
bit.
Yeah.

1182
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:02,890
So what would you change with
the wider curriculum?

1183
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:06,750
Because I'm talking history,
geography, you know, and we've

1184
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,870
already mentioned how the
curriculum is so tiny for those

1185
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:10,970
subjects.
Yeah.

1186
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,330
And, you know, that's quite
broad.

1187
00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:15,950
Teachers can kind of interpret
it, a lot of it, however they

1188
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,490
like.
In terms of they might get OK in

1189
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:19,890
history.
You have to go down British

1190
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:23,330
history over this time and an
ancient civilization from around

1191
00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:25,580
the world that's not extremely
broad.

1192
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:27,950
But then what you do with it,
it's kind of up to you almost as

1193
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,240
long as you go through these
strands of civilization and

1194
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:32,430
power and invasion and.
Stuff like, yeah, I'm gonna say

1195
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,890
something.
I'm gonna lead on to a point

1196
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:35,490
that I reckon is quite
controversial and I reckon

1197
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,340
you'll definitely disagree with
wider curriculum.

1198
00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:40,090
My favourite kind of point,
yeah.

1199
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,870
I don't know if this has come
from the curriculum, from the

1200
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,620
government down or it's just
like a culture that we've

1201
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:47,770
created in teaching or
something.

1202
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:50,280
But I think the wider
curriculum, although subjects

1203
00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:53,470
you just mentioned has become
horrendously, horrendously

1204
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,890
knowledge based to the point
where it is just like the only

1205
00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:00,130
thing that matters is
remembering some stuff.

1206
00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:01,610
And that's what we said, just a
memory test.

1207
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:04,690
And I'm, I hate that.
And I don't actually, I'm not, I

1208
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:05,990
don't think that comes from the
curriculum.

1209
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,220
And I think because the
curriculum is so vague, it has

1210
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:12,520
allowed for this weird culture
to come in and be like, this is

1211
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:14,050
how we this is how we do history
now.

1212
00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:16,970
Retrieval Retrieval Everyday
Five questions Retrieval Who was

1213
00:49:16,980 --> 00:49:18,760
it that found King Tutankhamun's
tomb?

1214
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:20,600
Who was it that Henry the Eighth
married for the?

1215
00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:22,280
4th And I think that's because
there probably some big

1216
00:49:22,290 --> 00:49:24,280
companies that have come in and
filled that gap of where there's

1217
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:26,430
literally just no curriculum and
the claims like teach them

1218
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,880
history and stuff and it's OK,
that's the one I.

1219
00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:30,870
Think I would argue the
curriculum is actually quite

1220
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,040
specific in that it wants you to
look at the skills.

1221
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:35,360
More yeah.
So this is what I find really

1222
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:38,360
hard to understand because I
think if anything, if you're

1223
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:40,560
going to make any stance on the
curriculum, it actually doesn't

1224
00:49:40,570 --> 00:49:42,600
say to do the whole knowledge,
the whole knowledge cramming

1225
00:49:42,610 --> 00:49:45,330
thing it actually says teaches
them about chronology, you know,

1226
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:49,070
history, teaches them about
democracy and how that's changed

1227
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,170
over thousands of years like
that call that, I think that's

1228
00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:52,760
quite cool.
But I think what's happened is

1229
00:49:52,770 --> 00:49:55,860
because the curriculum is so
vague, companies come in because

1230
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:57,610
schools are desperate for
schemes because we can't plan

1231
00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:59,410
all this stuff individually.
It's mental, right?

1232
00:49:59,470 --> 00:50:01,370
And schemes come in and say, oh,
we've created, we've done it

1233
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:03,100
this way and it works.
And then that just kind of goes

1234
00:50:03,110 --> 00:50:05,010
around other schools and
suddenly everyone's doing this

1235
00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:07,870
crazy knowledge based stuff.
So here's my controversial

1236
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,640
point.
I don't think there should be

1237
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,650
anywhere near as much freedom as
that as it currently is to teach

1238
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:14,800
the curriculum the way it is.
I think it should be

1239
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:17,880
considerably more prescriptive
so that there's actually some

1240
00:50:17,890 --> 00:50:20,730
standardisation across schools.
And just one point, because I

1241
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:21,960
let you come back to all of
this.

1242
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:25,000
One point that makes me feel
like this in general is, is that

1243
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:27,920
I hate the fact that you can
work in two schools in this

1244
00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:30,300
country and one of them, you'll
end up having a mental breakdown

1245
00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:32,600
at the end of it because the
workload is terrible, right?

1246
00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:34,090
You'll be, you'll be off work
sick.

1247
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:35,420
And the other one is like, oh,
it's great.

1248
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:38,760
It's cushy here.
I work 8 till 4:30 every day and

1249
00:50:38,770 --> 00:50:41,530
my life make my workloads great,
my mental health is great.

1250
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,490
I hate the fact that that can
happen.

1251
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:45,640
It's the same job, you're
getting paid the same thing.

1252
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:47,710
And do you think that's down to
the fact the afternoon

1253
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:49,210
curriculum is open to
interpretation?

1254
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:51,630
Not entirely, but I do think
that's that.

1255
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:55,740
I think the lack of systems, I
think the the, the openness from

1256
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:57,040
the government, like, yeah, just
do what you want.

1257
00:50:57,050 --> 00:50:59,400
Schools, you've just got these
crazy expectations to meet.

1258
00:50:59,410 --> 00:51:01,790
Off you go.
OK, so my point on that would

1259
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,400
be, firstly, you talked about,
you know, external companies

1260
00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:06,750
coming in and providing schools
with schemes because it's so

1261
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,210
vague.
Hmm, I understand that

1262
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:10,320
completely.
I think schemes, again, it

1263
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:12,470
depends on the scheme.
The scheme could be great, Some

1264
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,280
you can just pick up and run
with and it could save you a lot

1265
00:51:14,290 --> 00:51:16,030
of workload.
I would argue though, there's

1266
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,360
another strand that makes it
problematic and that's Ofsted.

1267
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,040
So it's insane the system that
we currently have where our

1268
00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:25,040
history curriculum is honestly
two sides long.

1269
00:51:25,110 --> 00:51:28,060
Like if you've not looked at the
history quickly in a while, just

1270
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:30,950
Google the national curriculum
for primary and scroll past the

1271
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,920
hundreds of pages until you get
history and there's like 2

1272
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:35,360
pages.
Geography 2 pages DT like one

1273
00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:36,940
page something insane.
Like that?

1274
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:40,820
Yeah.
The issue is then Ofsted have a

1275
00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:44,880
framework that's almost longer
than the curriculum, right?

1276
00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:46,440
So the framework might be two
sides.

1277
00:51:46,450 --> 00:51:49,220
So we're looking for this and
then offset have this

1278
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:53,120
unbelievably high standard and
scores will hear stories of

1279
00:51:53,130 --> 00:51:55,190
Ofsted coming in.
We've experienced this by the

1280
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,700
way, offset coming in and
saying, OK, what kind of

1281
00:51:59,710 --> 00:52:02,150
materials did they use in this
in the Bronze Age?

1282
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,620
What did they use That,
obviously.

1283
00:52:03,630 --> 00:52:06,380
Bronze, Yeah, yeah.
But they might ask a very

1284
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:09,510
specific question.
OK, well previously what did

1285
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,700
they use?
How did that change?

1286
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:11,960
And OK, well, what do they use
now?

1287
00:52:11,970 --> 00:52:14,520
What kind of what kind of
weapons might they use that's

1288
00:52:14,530 --> 00:52:16,060
knowledge based?
Yeah, like and that.

1289
00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:18,110
When the kids don't know the.
Kids might not know and they'll

1290
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,820
mark it down as a curriculum
that's not enhancing them.

1291
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:23,800
So I would argue that the
problem comes from things like

1292
00:52:23,810 --> 00:52:28,080
offset where those incredibly
high standards are set for

1293
00:52:28,090 --> 00:52:31,230
knowledge and schools panic and
schools buy into schemes.

1294
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,890
Good point actually, I didn't
really think about that.

1295
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:34,700
It's not a curriculum, It's the
Ofsted framework that does

1296
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:36,800
impact a lot of.
I would argue what we've just

1297
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:40,060
said there is the curriculum is
pretty good and I like the idea

1298
00:52:40,070 --> 00:52:43,480
of as professionals, as teachers
having that openness.

1299
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:46,050
And I would be reticent.
I wouldn't like what you're

1300
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:48,520
saying.
Whereas incredibly prescriptive.

1301
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:50,220
I think we get enough of that
from us in English.

1302
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:53,360
And I understand why because
they are vital skills to to, you

1303
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:56,500
know, being a member of society.
You need to be able to interpret

1304
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:58,620
a timetable to get to work.
You need to be able to buy stuff

1305
00:52:58,630 --> 00:53:00,560
when you go, when you go
shopping, you need to be able to

1306
00:53:00,570 --> 00:53:04,560
read, to do literally anything.
So all of that stuff, OK, fine.

1307
00:53:04,570 --> 00:53:05,780
I get why that's so
prescriptive.

1308
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,690
I like the idea that when it
comes to history, if anything, I

1309
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:13,200
want to give schools, you know,
much more freedom to kind of go

1310
00:53:13,210 --> 00:53:16,540
down roads they want to go down.
I want I wanna let them, you

1311
00:53:16,550 --> 00:53:19,510
know, do an extra term on the
Roman Empire because actually

1312
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,110
down the road from them, maybe
Richard the Third was excavated,

1313
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,880
not Roman Empire.
But you know, something local

1314
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:26,030
has sure, sure.
Where it's like we can really

1315
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,620
jump on that.
And there it doesn't allow for

1316
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:30,590
local study.
But all I'm saying is I think

1317
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,790
let's interpret the curriculum
as it is, then let's actually

1318
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,670
just do history for the sake of
inspiring the children and

1319
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,910
getting them to like these
afternoon subjects.

1320
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,450
I would argue that's the most
important thing.

1321
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:44,040
Yeah.
With maths, most important thing

1322
00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:45,830
they can do the maths.
I get whites, prescriptive.

1323
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,830
With English, most important
thing, they can read.

1324
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:49,430
I understand that's really
important.

1325
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,550
And I'd say the writing, the
most important thing is that

1326
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,950
they enjoy writing their
imaginative and eventually they

1327
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,090
get there.
That's why we want to do the

1328
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:55,990
changes.
Yeah.

1329
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,570
I would say again, when it comes
to the core curriculum, do they

1330
00:53:59,660 --> 00:54:02,530
find history interesting?
That should be the core.

1331
00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:04,090
Yeah, Yeah, sorry.
The curriculum that should be

1332
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:05,460
the core of everything we're
doing.

1333
00:54:05,470 --> 00:54:06,910
Yeah.
It's the only thing that should

1334
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,230
matter is at the end of that
history curriculum, have they

1335
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,970
been inspired to go and find out
more?

1336
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,590
Yeah.
Or at least did they enjoy the

1337
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,770
process of learning that story
And, and also, can we then make

1338
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,070
the links of what's happening
today or make the links with

1339
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,230
what they learned last year?
In history.

1340
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,280
So can I come back on that
because I think I 100% agree.

1341
00:54:22,290 --> 00:54:24,350
I mean, you've heard on this
podcast, I'm very, very

1342
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,600
passionate about the enjoyment
of the subject is number one.

1343
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,540
So just controversially, I
guess, again, I think the

1344
00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:31,930
government could do that.
I think there could be a system

1345
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:35,060
where it's like the government
are quite strict on this is how

1346
00:54:35,070 --> 00:54:36,940
we teach these subjects and
you've got to stay within these

1347
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:38,530
boundaries rather than it's
completely open.

1348
00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:40,510
And then everyone ends up buying
in schemes to do the complete

1349
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,290
opposite.
I think they could be a lot more

1350
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:45,420
like neatly packaged with the,
with the wider curriculum,

1351
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:46,980
longer, more in depth
curriculums.

1352
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:49,900
Not prescriptive in terms of you
have to teach Romans, but

1353
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:54,000
prescriptive in terms of the
things that get rid of the the

1354
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:56,370
the the knowledge based
curriculum that we buy in that

1355
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:58,240
we don't actually like that much
where it's like, no, no, no,

1356
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,230
that doesn't fit the national
curriculum because National

1357
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:04,090
Crime is way more detail them
and you can understand it more.

1358
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:05,790
It's like it, it actually says
in it.

1359
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,390
If you're not doing local
studies, that's rubbish.

1360
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:09,210
It's like, Hey go, everyone has
to do that now because we all

1361
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:09,910
agree that's.
Good.

1362
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,270
So who do you trust more to
create a creative curriculum

1363
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,220
that kids enjoy, the government
or the teachers?

1364
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:15,850
Well, that's the problem.
That's the problem, isn't it?

1365
00:55:15,860 --> 00:55:17,410
I mean, my ideological world
again.

1366
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:19,260
And I actually don't think the
government will do it.

1367
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:21,380
So.
So my point here is then, yeah,

1368
00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:23,250
I want the same outcome as you.
Yeah.

1369
00:55:23,260 --> 00:55:26,730
I think it should be very open
curriculum, which is leaves room

1370
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:29,590
for inspiration for those, for
teachers to do good things that

1371
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,100
you're good at.
I think what needs to change is

1372
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:34,100
the office how how it's how it's
judged.

1373
00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:35,880
Yeah, yeah.
Changed the Ofsted framework,

1374
00:55:35,890 --> 00:55:37,800
change what we're actually
looking for so teachers aren't

1375
00:55:37,810 --> 00:55:39,640
pressured into doing that
rubbish.

1376
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:42,520
Why do we feel pressure to do
these retrieval questions?

1377
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:44,220
Why do we feel pressured by
these schemes?

1378
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:46,120
In two reasons.
One, workloads huge.

1379
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:49,380
Two, because offset gonna rinse.
Yeah, we heard from local

1380
00:55:49,390 --> 00:55:50,880
schools.
Ofsted rinsed that school for

1381
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:52,700
this thing.
So now we buy a scheme that they

1382
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:56,680
asked one of the students who,
you know Anne of Cleaves enjoyed

1383
00:55:56,690 --> 00:56:00,020
seeing on on her downtime and
they didn't know.

1384
00:56:00,070 --> 00:56:01,960
So we need to know all of the
facts about all of the things.

1385
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,100
Great trip.
We need to.

1386
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:03,810
We need to teach.
This.

1387
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:06,760
And I think why I got history
all the time is because I did a

1388
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:07,960
degree in history.
Yeah.

1389
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:10,920
I have a university degree in
history, yeah.

1390
00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:14,320
And I would argue that the most
important things I learned at

1391
00:56:14,330 --> 00:56:19,920
university were how to interpret
sources, umm, the wider changes

1392
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:23,040
that came about because of, you
know, people's opinions on

1393
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:26,340
things or governments or, you
know, religious beliefs and

1394
00:56:26,350 --> 00:56:29,950
stuff like that.
And the stories, I remember the

1395
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,750
stories.
But, and, and, and it's about

1396
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,760
being critical.
I think when you, when you look

1397
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:38,050
at history, if it boils down to
Britain invaded this country and

1398
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:40,750
then Britain made sure this
thing happened and we traded

1399
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,250
with that.
And then Henry the Eighth

1400
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:45,100
seceded from the church.
Cool.

1401
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:48,120
You can find out whenever you
want if you're a child in a

1402
00:56:48,130 --> 00:56:49,560
classroom.
Hmm.

1403
00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:51,560
Or you will really care about is
the story.

1404
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:53,320
Yeah.
Make it a really interesting

1405
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:55,270
story.
Hook them, hook them on it.

1406
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,260
If they want to find out more,
they can and do the important

1407
00:56:58,270 --> 00:57:00,280
stuff.
Like we could modernise the

1408
00:57:00,290 --> 00:57:02,200
history curriculum.
In my opinion, it could be very

1409
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:05,380
much a away from, you know,
Britain ruling the world.

1410
00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:07,420
It it could be a really
enriching experience for the

1411
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:07,960
children.
Sure.

1412
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:10,560
Different cultures and stuff.
Just just encourage them.

1413
00:57:10,570 --> 00:57:13,460
Just enrich them and make it
more interesting.

1414
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:16,820
Sure.
So back to my ideology, I think

1415
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:18,630
there's a wider I want to
discuss it more because I think

1416
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,140
you'll disagree with me.
I just kind of want have those

1417
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:23,710
conversations.
So I I was thinking about no the

1418
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,030
government systemizing stuff
more not.

1419
00:57:26,850 --> 00:57:30,400
Just.
My whistling noise and not just

1420
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:32,520
the quickly I think I think your
point really actually I agree I

1421
00:57:32,530 --> 00:57:36,260
I that conclusion was good but
in terms of other areas that the

1422
00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:38,840
government things the government
consistently wrong again Yeah

1423
00:57:38,850 --> 00:57:41,060
probably here you go How about
this idea.

1424
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:44,140
I hate this.
I think the government should

1425
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:48,500
provide schools with a
suggested, doesn't have to be

1426
00:57:48,510 --> 00:57:52,770
followed, a suggested timetable
that fits in.

1427
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:55,650
Ohh.
That actually fits in OK.

1428
00:57:55,660 --> 00:57:57,810
Basically they take, I think the
government should take the lead

1429
00:57:57,820 --> 00:58:00,830
on saying, oh you know, you
know, we tell you to do 900

1430
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,270
hours of stuff a week.
Well, rather than us just

1431
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,410
leaving it at that, here is how
we think it can actually be done

1432
00:58:06,420 --> 00:58:08,890
and giving schools a suggested
timetable to work from.

1433
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:11,230
They don't have to follow it,
but the idea is look, it can be

1434
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,530
done in like a standard 9 to
3/3/15 way.

1435
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:17,610
This is how we would do it.
You can adapt it how you like.

1436
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:19,610
Obviously schools are different
in terms of their times.

1437
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,300
So you can adapt it or not.
You can adapt it, but I think

1438
00:58:23,310 --> 00:58:24,300
they take the lead on it, I
think.

1439
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:26,520
This is a fantastic thought
experiment that would never

1440
00:58:26,530 --> 00:58:28,610
happen because I actually really
get your point here.

1441
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:32,650
Because what, what essentially
you're saying is we don't, we

1442
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:34,770
don't actually want this
timetable from the government.

1443
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:37,290
What we want them to realise is
their expectations are insane.

1444
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:39,970
Yeah, because, because what I
would argue is this timetable

1445
00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:41,170
doesn't exist.
Yeah.

1446
00:58:41,180 --> 00:58:43,270
So then doing it would strip
back the expectations.

1447
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,090
Exactly, I completely get what
you mean cause that kind of

1448
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:47,410
comes in with the fact that the
one thing we do need is a strict

1449
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:49,990
back curriculum, which will
never happen because of optics.

1450
00:58:50,130 --> 00:58:52,990
The government will never give
us a suggested timetable because

1451
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,520
it simply does not work.
And it would be them admitting

1452
00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:57,450
that the current curriculum
doesn't work and these stripping

1453
00:58:57,460 --> 00:59:00,270
back, and then when they don't
strip it back, that that's just

1454
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,160
either way, they're screwed.
Yeah.

1455
00:59:02,170 --> 00:59:05,100
Yeah.
So I I you've worded it in a way

1456
00:59:05,110 --> 00:59:06,190
where I actually don't.
Disagree.

1457
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,090
Yeah, now I change it as I was.
Saying no because, because what

1458
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:12,880
what we're basically saying is
here, OK, if you ask me to do

1459
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:15,720
all of this stuff, prove to me
it can be done and they can't,

1460
00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:17,330
OK.
And if they did, and if they

1461
00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:20,130
did, it would be awesome.
Yeah, if they came out like a

1462
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:22,790
three-week timetable, if you
follow it, it's quite strict.

1463
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,210
But if you do it to the minute,
you do actually get all of your

1464
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:26,830
allocated time in.
For what subjects?

1465
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,300
Do you know what I'd be like?
Let's do it, let's do it, let's

1466
00:59:30,310 --> 00:59:32,720
find out, let's do it and see.
Because you need to have a bit

1467
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:34,110
of an open mind, this kind of
stuff.

1468
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,850
If they did that and they were
like, we are literally the

1469
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:39,430
government, by the way, and we
literally inform Ofsted what to

1470
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,310
inspect.
I know hospital independent, but

1471
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,990
we are in charge of this.
Yeah, we're gonna judge you by

1472
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,030
this.
OK, cool.

1473
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,190
Because the problem that was
current and problem, by the way,

1474
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,650
one way, the current, the
current problem we have is that

1475
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,650
we all sit around and pretend
everything's OK.

1476
00:59:57,020 --> 00:59:59,970
And then it's all dandy pandy.
And this, this, this lovely

1477
00:59:59,980 --> 01:00:01,170
curriculum.
Can we fit in?

1478
01:00:01,180 --> 01:00:02,350
Ohh.
It's we've got all the time.

1479
01:00:02,820 --> 01:00:05,200
We all know.
That can't happen, but we all

1480
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:06,860
still just crack on and pretend
it can.

1481
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:10,060
And when Ofsted coming in, we
all put on a show.

1482
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,100
Hmm.
No.

1483
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:14,780
Very rarely will anyone have the
balls to say this doesn't work,

1484
01:00:14,790 --> 01:00:16,840
by the way.
Yeah, I'm pretending.

1485
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:19,500
I'm pretending for you right now
because this doesn't actually

1486
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:22,220
work.
Because you want to see advanced

1487
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:24,940
progress in this child's
reading, The only way we can do

1488
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:27,440
that is to do afternoon
interventions with this child

1489
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,850
during their history time.
So I'm gonna pretend because

1490
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:31,880
you're in this room that we
never, ever take them out of the

1491
01:00:31,890 --> 01:00:34,200
core curriculum because it's so
important and we know it can't

1492
01:00:34,210 --> 01:00:35,620
possibly the curriculum.
Yes.

1493
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:39,580
Sorry, that's wrong.
I just see the curriculum

1494
01:00:40,210 --> 01:00:41,720
school.
But when we don't take them out

1495
01:00:41,730 --> 01:00:43,510
of the question, we take them
out of history in the afternoon.

1496
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,090
No, cause of course we don't.
We got history is so important.

1497
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,300
Yeah, but we do because we need
to make sure they can read.

1498
01:00:48,310 --> 01:00:49,560
Cause you gonna judge me on that
instead?

1499
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:51,770
Such a fun.
So we all just pretend it's just

1500
01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:55,000
this make believe world where
everyone has a timetable in

1501
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:56,590
school which doesn't actually
work.

1502
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,690
And please let us know if you
have one that does work.

1503
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:02,370
But I'm pretty sure when you say
it works, part of that will be.

1504
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:04,790
We don't really do worry that
doesn't work.

1505
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,850
Then obviously is not a.
Time to let us know and keep

1506
01:01:08,860 --> 01:01:10,770
going down this rabbit hole and
keep getting you getting you

1507
01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:13,260
thinking Next one the government
are going to do in my made-up

1508
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:17,540
world is they are going to be
extremely strict on workload

1509
01:01:17,550 --> 01:01:20,780
policies and it's enforced.
It's not like a it's not a what

1510
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:22,980
it currently is, which is always
had a meeting about it and we

1511
01:01:22,990 --> 01:01:25,270
think schools should consider
these things to manage work like

1512
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,960
this.
No, no, no, this is completely

1513
01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:28,960
enforced now and you're
completely accountable for it.

1514
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:31,420
This is the world of policy for
the UK, for teachers.

1515
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:34,120
Every school has to adhere to
this and if you don't often

1516
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:35,800
doing your.
Part, it doesn't work because

1517
01:01:35,810 --> 01:01:37,760
offset are gonna rip you apart.
Do you date to it?

1518
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,980
Because if you do a date to that
workload policy, right.

1519
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:42,680
Any workload policy let's
introduce for teachers will

1520
01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:45,120
decrease the amount of work
teachers do by definition.

1521
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:47,120
Yeah, because we're saying this
problem, we do too much work.

1522
01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:49,490
So any workload policy that
comes in will come with a

1523
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:52,600
decrease in work, which comes
with a decrease in output, which

1524
01:01:52,610 --> 01:01:54,540
comes with a decrease in
standards for our children.

1525
01:01:54,550 --> 01:01:56,790
Well, it's just like a managing
change policy or it's like you

1526
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,780
still get things done.
It's just as sort you're now

1527
01:01:58,790 --> 01:02:02,200
completely accountable for.
Whatever it's dressed up as,

1528
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,540
right?
Just honestly, the only way we

1529
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:07,160
fix workload is to produce work.
So if you're spreading out

1530
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,170
whatever you think you can call
it, whatever you want, the only

1531
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:13,100
way to reduce workload is that
teachers do less work, right?

1532
01:02:13,110 --> 01:02:16,490
So in the same time frame, less
stuff gets done, whether it's a

1533
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:17,920
year, two years, three years.
OK.

1534
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:19,860
So yeah, managed workload,
instead of a year, we did over

1535
01:02:19,870 --> 01:02:20,970
three.
So how do you make a call?

1536
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:23,050
Everything that you have done in
year two and three you're not

1537
01:02:23,060 --> 01:02:24,990
doing.
So it is less work, right.

1538
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,950
And that does not work until we
go back to the root system,

1539
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:30,490
which is how we're judged as
teachers.

1540
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,990
So it's all well and good.
And This is why, This is why the

1541
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,210
government will never take it
seriously because it comes down

1542
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:37,530
to two things, like this kind of
scheme that we've got here.

1543
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:39,430
We need budget stripped.
Well, no.

1544
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,750
We need a we forget budget.
Right.

1545
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,350
I'm thinking of ways we could
actually do this.

1546
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,730
Yeah, sure.
We could strip back the

1547
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:45,590
curriculum.
Yeah.

1548
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:47,280
And we could change how estate
judge scores.

1549
01:02:47,290 --> 01:02:47,890
Yeah.
OK.

1550
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:50,040
They're the two things that if
we're not got budget to

1551
01:02:50,050 --> 01:02:52,910
increase, that they have to
change to actually reduce

1552
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,790
workloads.
Yeah.

1553
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,890
And until those two things
change, if we keep those the

1554
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,530
same, but we have the government
going, Why don't you do less

1555
01:02:59,540 --> 01:03:01,270
work?
Because there's a problem.

1556
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,190
Why don't you?
You're going to pay us more?

1557
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,930
No.
Are you going to stop judging us

1558
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:06,630
in the same way?
No.

1559
01:03:06,980 --> 01:03:08,050
OK.
Well, I can't do less.

1560
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,120
Working, it's like a try, you
know, the classic triangle.

1561
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:12,300
So it's like, pick any two
things exactly of the three,

1562
01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:14,160
yeah.
It's like you're with adulthood.

1563
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:18,130
It's like sleeping time.
And in this one it's literally

1564
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:20,310
like funding.
And then the two things you just

1565
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,370
said, which was Ofsted, Ofsted
judgement, lowering probably and

1566
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:25,900
stripping back the curriculum,
managing work.

1567
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:27,450
But two of those things.
Pick two of those things.

1568
01:03:27,460 --> 01:03:29,080
You can have any 2.
Or just one thing.

1569
01:03:30,540 --> 01:03:32,670
Just give us.
So if if funding can't budge,

1570
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,150
which is the which is the whole
thing, we've got the anti fancy

1571
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:37,890
nice things.
Ohh.

1572
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:39,510
Well we're going to come in and
do a new guy.

1573
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,890
We're gonna look after teacher.
None of that matters unless you

1574
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:44,330
give us more money or strip.
Back on time if Ofsted was

1575
01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:46,310
sorted out though right?
If teachers were judged

1576
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,310
properly, would you?
Would you be up for that idea?

1577
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,490
Having government LED enforced
1.

1578
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:53,370
Percent Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because because to me anymore

1579
01:03:53,420 --> 01:03:58,030
all all I see there right
Enforce OK, so if someone wants

1580
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,540
to do something I think would be
insane to tell them they're not.

1581
01:04:00,550 --> 01:04:01,490
Allowed to do of.
Course.

1582
01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:03,330
So when you say.
In full, but like you but by

1583
01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:06,250
enforced I mean the policy is
we're not slot aren't allowed to

1584
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:09,270
tell you to go.
And do this thing and all I see

1585
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,210
that as right is just making us
in line with pretty much any job

1586
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:13,050
ever.
Yeah.

1587
01:04:13,060 --> 01:04:16,300
So, yeah, of course, of course
it's fine because you know what?

1588
01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:21,130
You could be in school from half
seven till half four, right.

1589
01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:22,250
Let's think about that for a
minute.

1590
01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:24,850
That's nine hours straight away.
Teachers work for their breaks

1591
01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:26,320
all the time.
Might get half an hour to eat

1592
01:04:26,330 --> 01:04:28,090
your lunch while you're doing
something else, maybe.

1593
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:29,870
Or even you block it out and
you're really good.

1594
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:32,420
That's still longer than a
normal day's work, OK.

1595
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,400
And that is simply delivering
lessons and marking your books

1596
01:04:36,490 --> 01:04:38,980
and prepping your lessons, OK?
No planning.

1597
01:04:39,230 --> 01:04:43,120
No planning involved.
So it's it wouldn't work.

1598
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:45,050
It just wouldn't work straight
away.

1599
01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:47,340
You know, we get into this
profession because we don't mind

1600
01:04:47,350 --> 01:04:48,960
doing the extra.
Stuff it's.

1601
01:04:49,030 --> 01:04:51,460
So pay us more, is that?
That's what you have to do.

1602
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:53,720
You have to keep paying.
And if pay gets chipped away,

1603
01:04:53,730 --> 01:04:56,200
we're at that balance now where
it's like, cool goodwill runs

1604
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:57,760
out.
Yeah, the counter arguments, my

1605
01:04:57,770 --> 01:05:00,820
own point there, because you
just made me think of it, is is

1606
01:05:00,990 --> 01:05:04,480
this is the classic example, but
on a massive wider scale of when

1607
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:09,130
the head teacher comes round to
you at 5:00 and says go home, I

1608
01:05:09,140 --> 01:05:10,640
wanna work.
Doesn't actually go away.

1609
01:05:10,650 --> 01:05:13,200
Even if the policy does tell me
to go home and have weekends and

1610
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:15,160
I can't work at the weekend.
So I gotta get the freaking work

1611
01:05:15,170 --> 01:05:16,800
done though, isn't it?
So yeah.

1612
01:05:16,810 --> 01:05:18,820
So yeah, all of these things
come with lots.

1613
01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:21,040
Of, and This is why I don't
think This is why actually I

1614
01:05:21,050 --> 01:05:23,860
don't think there's a solution
because I do honestly think it's

1615
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:26,800
either funding that won't
happen, lowering the standards

1616
01:05:26,810 --> 01:05:29,080
for our children that won't
happen because it's optics is

1617
01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:30,310
terrible.
Whether that's stripping out the

1618
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,040
curriculum, lowering offset
expectations, that won't happen.

1619
01:05:34,090 --> 01:05:36,300
So we're left with the third
one, which is what's currently

1620
01:05:36,310 --> 01:05:38,330
happening, which is everyone
closes their eyes and hopes

1621
01:05:38,340 --> 01:05:40,530
teachers just make do.
Yeah, we we just advise the

1622
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:43,270
government advises teachers to
do this knowing that they can't

1623
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,210
really do it, but just saying
come on, I'll just.

1624
01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:48,100
Fit all this into the timetable,
I'll just do a bit less if we

1625
01:05:48,110 --> 01:05:49,160
actually got you to sit down
and.

1626
01:05:49,170 --> 01:05:52,670
Manage your workload.
Come on, we're not going to

1627
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,590
enforce it.
We know literally can't happen,

1628
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:56,530
but just manage it.
Just managing.

1629
01:05:56,540 --> 01:05:58,670
OK, last one from me, then we'll
end this conversation.

1630
01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:01,330
Another government come along
and say we are now taking

1631
01:06:01,340 --> 01:06:05,210
control of this marking
policies, marking that we have a

1632
01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:07,550
UK way of marking now.
It's not up to schools anymore.

1633
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,180
Some of you got your fancy pants
ways of marking.

1634
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:11,410
Some of you draconian Victorian
ways of marking.

1635
01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:13,210
This is how we mark in the UK
now.

1636
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:15,110
We've decided research says this
is best.

1637
01:06:15,210 --> 01:06:16,910
Every school now must mark like
this.

1638
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,630
I don't like it.
I don't like I don't like

1639
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,740
anything which is topped down.
You have to do this from the

1640
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:24,640
government and and the look,
this is it's it's a double sided

1641
01:06:24,650 --> 01:06:26,490
coin because with that freedom,
right?

1642
01:06:26,580 --> 01:06:29,630
We currently have that freedom,
I'd argue, but it's completely

1643
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,610
broken because the freedom is do
how you want, but you need to do

1644
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:34,640
all of these things are really
high level, but not very.

1645
01:06:34,650 --> 01:06:36,250
Much because they come in and
they will judge.

1646
01:06:36,260 --> 01:06:39,530
It's a classic government, kind
of especially conservative in

1647
01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:41,850
the last 10 to 15 years.
It's like we're gonna give all

1648
01:06:41,860 --> 01:06:43,310
the power to the local
authorities.

1649
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,010
You're an Academy trust.
You've got all the power now.

1650
01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:48,210
But here's your money part, and
it doesn't cover everything, but

1651
01:06:48,220 --> 01:06:49,920
you've got all the power to do
what you want with money.

1652
01:06:49,930 --> 01:06:51,690
Yeah.
So when you decide not to hire a

1653
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:53,270
site manager, that's not down to
me.

1654
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,090
Yeah, but it is because you give
them less money.

1655
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:56,850
So I see the same problem here,
right?

1656
01:06:56,860 --> 01:06:58,910
Yeah.
Schools right now can have

1657
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,240
whatever marking policy they see
fit.

1658
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,640
Ofsted won't have a specific
marketing policy they want to

1659
01:07:02,650 --> 01:07:05,390
see as long as it's consistent
and the outcomes are good and

1660
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:06,750
it's consistent across the
school.

1661
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,110
Like, that's all well and good.
OK.

1662
01:07:09,540 --> 01:07:12,980
But, you know, the, the, the
government then coming along and

1663
01:07:12,990 --> 01:07:16,000
saying, no, you have to do it
this way is equally insane to me

1664
01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:18,000
because there might just be a
school where things worked

1665
01:07:18,010 --> 01:07:18,860
really well.
Yeah.

1666
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:21,080
And there might be a mixed way
of marking where actually, you

1667
01:07:21,090 --> 01:07:22,440
know, there's no written
feedback.

1668
01:07:22,450 --> 01:07:24,880
But maybe there is just a bit on
their independent writing

1669
01:07:24,890 --> 01:07:26,510
because we find that really
works well.

1670
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,400
Our children.
Yeah.

1671
01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:30,100
Or you've got the flexibility as
a teacher to be like, you know

1672
01:07:30,110 --> 01:07:33,260
what, today, tomorrow, the next
day, it's kind of a flow of

1673
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:34,740
learning.
I don't really need to assess

1674
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:36,520
them because I'm gonna carry on
this lesson tomorrow.

1675
01:07:36,530 --> 01:07:38,500
I'm gonna have a whole week of
doing money.

1676
01:07:38,610 --> 01:07:40,820
Me individually assessing every
day is kind of pointless.

1677
01:07:40,830 --> 01:07:42,920
I'm going to assess them at the
end of the week because I can

1678
01:07:42,930 --> 01:07:44,990
see where they've got to and I'm
gonna react as the as the week

1679
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,630
goes on.
Next week, however, I'm just

1680
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,890
doing a shape standalone lesson
I really want to have on there.

1681
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:51,120
So I'm gonna assess them.
That's fluid and that's good

1682
01:07:51,130 --> 01:07:52,610
teaching.
That's good assessment.

1683
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:55,050
Top down of saying you have to
do it like this.

1684
01:07:55,060 --> 01:07:57,350
There will be points where it's
not suitable and that would be

1685
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,460
silly.
My my overall point here, we

1686
01:08:00,470 --> 01:08:02,980
need freedom as teachers to
exercise our professional

1687
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:04,880
judgement because we are
professionals and we've had

1688
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:07,440
training and a lot of us have
been doing this for a long time

1689
01:08:07,550 --> 01:08:09,360
and we know what's good for the
children.

1690
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:13,820
However, until those you know,
what the government can do,

1691
01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:16,899
which doesn't cost any money,
but it looks bad optically.

1692
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:19,880
Yeah, is kind of to strip.
Things summarise what I think.

1693
01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:22,029
I think you made really good
points there and that was a good

1694
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,819
discussion.
So I'm seeing this as the

1695
01:08:23,830 --> 01:08:25,939
freedom is good, we should
maintain the freedoms that

1696
01:08:25,950 --> 01:08:29,240
schools have, but if we want to
fix the problems that are that

1697
01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:31,840
do this, which is which is my
overall point, really, it was

1698
01:08:31,850 --> 01:08:34,510
that I kind of want schools not
to be unbelievably different to

1699
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,060
work in, which is true.
It's the undercurrents that

1700
01:08:38,069 --> 01:08:40,880
affects the pressure and the
culture that we experience that

1701
01:08:40,890 --> 01:08:44,370
actually push schools to make
these decisions, which we're

1702
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:46,479
deeming as mental, which I'm,
you know, are the reasons I'm

1703
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:48,439
thinking maybe the government
needs to step in and stop this

1704
01:08:48,450 --> 01:08:50,149
happening.
Actually, the freedom is good.

1705
01:08:50,189 --> 01:08:53,180
The government needs to step in
and help to change the culture.

1706
01:08:53,250 --> 01:08:55,180
They need to sort out Ofsted.
They need to give us more

1707
01:08:55,189 --> 01:08:56,819
funding.
They need to stop teachers.

1708
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:58,880
They need, I think they should
come in like they're doing right

1709
01:08:58,890 --> 01:09:02,399
now with the workload and and
work life balance policy and

1710
01:09:02,410 --> 01:09:04,470
stuff and just be a bit more
hard on that in terms of like,

1711
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,220
yeah, actually it is really,
really important.

1712
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:08,140
We change the culture we're
gonna make, we're gonna really

1713
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:09,880
encourage all heads to think
it's really, really, really

1714
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:11,520
important.
And you can kind of do with it

1715
01:09:11,529 --> 01:09:14,000
how you will.
But yeah, changing the culture

1716
01:09:14,010 --> 01:09:16,130
really important.
Let's not pretend we can do less

1717
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:18,010
work though.
No, have the same.

1718
01:09:18,060 --> 01:09:20,210
No, no standards you're
completely agree with.

1719
01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:21,569
So we're funding.
It's kind of like that.

1720
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:23,560
Fixes a lot of that.
More people and more people is

1721
01:09:23,569 --> 01:09:25,630
better.
Two people can do the same.

1722
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,350
This one job, you got 12 hours,
OK, two people do it, six hours

1723
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,990
each, done fine.
Just give us the money to get

1724
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,910
the people in to do it,
basically.

1725
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,880
So depressing ending really is
that none of this can possibly

1726
01:09:35,890 --> 01:09:38,590
happen because the government
will never be the funding.

1727
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:39,689
It's too far gone, the
fundraise.

1728
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:42,470
The Tories have stripped back
education so, so badly now that

1729
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,920
it's irreparable.
Um, the curriculum can't be

1730
01:09:46,930 --> 01:09:49,990
stripped back because we again,
the Tories have made it so

1731
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,880
ridiculously overweight and you
need to learn so much stuff now

1732
01:09:52,890 --> 01:09:55,380
that the only possible way now
is backwards to actually make

1733
01:09:55,390 --> 01:09:56,450
the curriculum good for our
kids.

1734
01:09:56,460 --> 01:09:58,190
And that will always look bad
for government, so they'll never

1735
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,390
do it.
And then what is the Third Point

1736
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,830
was about Ofsted?
Yeah.

1737
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,310
It was like it probably could
fix that one.

1738
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,710
Yeah, I think we could fix
Ofsted start there.

1739
01:10:07,060 --> 01:10:08,670
Yeah.
That's the issue we're currently

1740
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,000
facing.
I think there are some things we

1741
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:11,270
can do.
I think schools need more

1742
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,220
autonomy.
I think the pressures, pillars,

1743
01:10:14,230 --> 01:10:18,920
basically government, Ofsted,
SLT, yeah, Honestly, as a

1744
01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:21,000
teacher you don't really have
control over those things.

1745
01:10:21,130 --> 01:10:24,680
So do what you can do as a
teacher and apply pressure where

1746
01:10:24,690 --> 01:10:27,000
we can to these three pillars.
Hopefully it changes.

1747
01:10:27,230 --> 01:10:29,420
Will it change?
Am I quite confident that in

1748
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:32,350
five years time, at the end of
the next parliament, do I think

1749
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:33,880
that we will transform the
education?

1750
01:10:33,940 --> 01:10:36,480
Absolutely.
Not, no, absolutely not.

1751
01:10:36,490 --> 01:10:39,560
So let's finish up then.
Dylan, I'll ask you the title of

1752
01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:43,120
the podcast again.
Do we need a new national

1753
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:44,770
curriculum?
New.

1754
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,810
All right, guys, thanks very
much for joining us.

1755
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:50,490
Really, really depressing ending
to the episode.

1756
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:53,210
No, I actually enjoy the
conversation and let us know

1757
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:55,190
what you think.
Please get in touch at each seat

1758
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:56,850
podcast.
I say so quickly.

1759
01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:59,910
I worry that.
This is a teach teach sleep,

1760
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,460
repeat podcast on Instagram.
That's where we see everything.

1761
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:04,710
Sent us a message.
Come along for the ride.

1762
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,620
We're off to centre box now so
they'll probably be an episode

1763
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:11,400
next week, don't know.
Yeah, we can reflect in our week

1764
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:14,580
swimming and pretending that
it's gonna be a really nice they

1765
01:11:14,590 --> 01:11:16,790
actually we've got two babies
under a year, so I'd be really.

1766
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,500
Stressful.
Ohh, no nice.

1767
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,850
Well joining next week because
it will be we'll definitely have

1768
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:22,610
a reflection on the fact that we
took two babies on holiday.

1769
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:24,070
It'll be it'll be a good.
Laugh, it'll be a good laugh.

1770
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,410
See you.
Then see you later, bye bye bye.

1771
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:27,570
See you now.
Bye bye.

1772
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,290
See you later.
Bye bye.

1773
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:30,720
See you.