May 26, 2024
Ep 64: A SATs Reflection & The General Election
Well... here we go. It's general election time which means Dylan becomes insufferable! (Can you guess who wrote this description?)
Join two teachers talk about all things politics and education!
We also reflect on the 2024 SATs paper, highlighting some of the trickier / WRONG questions that appeared this year.
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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Seat
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Repeat.
My name is.
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Dylan, and my name is Hayden.
And we're back with another
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episode.
It's just US 2.
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Did we do a guest last week?
We did.
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We had because we recorded it a
while ago.
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That's why we're confused.
Kate on didn't.
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We have loads of guests lined up
obviously.
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Yes, we definitely haven't done
that thing again where we got
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like four in a row and then we
stopped booking anyone.
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We are always on the lookout for
guests, so we'll see in the
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future.
But back to us for now.
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And I've reflected on a few
times.
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People do like it when it is
just us though.
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Like they love the idea of the
guests.
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And I always got like not
scared.
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But I remember when we first got
guests and then we went to again
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a, a stint of us, just us two.
I was really worried that not
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everyone would think, ohh, just
these two guys again.
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But.
But they love us, Dylan.
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Yeah, they love it.
I love that they love us.
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And if they could choose to vote
for us, they would.
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They definitely would.
And I've no, no voting on my
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mind for any reason at all.
I don't know anything happened
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this week.
Nothing to do with the.
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Episode which we've got.
So anyway, before we get into
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it, anything you want to let me
know about?
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Him right now.
What about you?
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I'm hyper aware of where I'm
talking.
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So Dylan, Dylan and ignore,
ignore what he said the other
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week.
They're like, ohh, we've
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upgraded our audio.
It's much better now.
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And it was the worst any episode
we've ever had.
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So last week's episode didn't
sound that great, and this week
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we're really trying to talk into
the microphone.
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So if this sounds great and
crispy, then you know why.
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But if it doesn't, then you also
know why.
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It doesn't.
Then I've just doubled down on
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the idea that we think this
sounds better, but doesn't.
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Anyway, I'm all good.
How are you?
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Your weeks been right.
Yeah, fine.
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It's half time.
We've made it half term, so lots
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of people listening to this.
Again, I know we've got
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international listeners, so I
really do apologise if it's not
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half time for you.
You're still working half time
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here in the UK.
And I'd forgotten it was half
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term because obviously Hayden
and I, we work Monday to
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Wednesday and we do our tutoring
business on the rest of the
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week.
But that meant that half time
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for me actually started on
Wednesday, but it didn't
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register with me because we
still had stuff to do.
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You know, I work in week wasn't
over.
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So I wasn't like have have that
huge relief about it's half term
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and he got to Friday and I'm
sure he's going to talk to you
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about his barbecue in a minute.
But we we fired up a BBQ at
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Hayden's he wanted to test.
Out.
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Don't worry, you talk about it
very soon and and because
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obviously we're British and as
soon as it's only like right
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BBQ, we don't have a barbecue
and we're wasting the day.
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Yeah.
And I, I remember I was sat
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eating an Oreo sandwich, like
ice cream things because
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obviously having a bit of sugar.
Now it's it's summer again.
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Sorry, just never get and I got
a text from my colleague who I
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share the class with saying you
come to the pub and other that
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they're going to the pub for end
of end of term.
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And I was like, oh, you did
mention something last week.
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I really struggled to pass
things over between my week.
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My week seems like two really is
split in half.
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Yeah.
Anything to do with school, I
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kind of forget about it until
I'm back in school.
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Yeah.
By Wednesday evening it's done.
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It's gone.
It's like that Apple TV show.
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Did you watch it, Severance?
No.
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So the whole, the whole point of
severance is there's like this
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technology a bit further in the
future where they implant
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something into your brain and
you go to work, but when you go
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to work, you passed through like
this, I don't know, this
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technology this like you gotta
go into this lift anyway.
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You go to your floor to do your
work, but you completely switch
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off.
It's almost like you turn into a
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different person.
Ohh, wow.
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So the point being like
efficient.
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Yeah.
You literally from your point of
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view, you walk into work, you
walk into the door and
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immediately you walk out of the
door.
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And that whole 8 hours of work.
That's so cool.
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Yeah. 8 hours of work you've
done.
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You literally do not know what
goes on.
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I've heard good things about
that.
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It's an amazing watch at some
point.
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Yeah, because the whole, the
whole point is what you're doing
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there on the outside, it's great
because like you don't have to
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experience work if you haven't
had a really dull, boring job,
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you don't have to experience
work.
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Isn't that cool?
But the the the whole issue like
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the morality which is really
interesting was you create you
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on the inside.
Yeah, so.
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You're also forcing yourself to
only experience work.
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Yeah.
And.
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And the whole idea is, is like,
is that person as morally
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valuable as you?
And you follow both kind of
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people.
Yeah.
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Adam Scott is the lead in it and
he's unreal as an actor because
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he's kind of like this
depressive guy who's had a
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pretty bad life and wife passed
away and all this stuff.
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Yeah.
On the outside.
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Yeah.
On the inside it's hilarious
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cause he's this like, hey, I, I
love my job like an office like,
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you know.
No, because he doesn't know
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what's going on his outside.
Line and that exactly and the
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whole point is in the job
there's this new woman who
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starts and she slowly is like
what all I'm doing is this is
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all for all this is what's going
on what's on the other side of
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this lift and like it develops
into them trying to break out
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and stuff but it turns out that
spoiler alert anyone's gonna
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watch this that that that woman
is one of the board members of
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the company who are doing this
and she said on the outside our
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proof how this is this isn't
morally bankrupt this is
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brilliant I'll prove it I'm
gonna do it myself that's
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hilarious and she ends up
breaking out yeah no but in the
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end and and it's it's just
really.
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Thanks for ruining it completely
within 3 minutes there's.
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There's a bit of evidence here
and a bit of research.
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I would say to people that if
you know how a show ends, you,
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you scientifically enjoy more.
Ohh really?
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You scientifically enjoy things
more.
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You have to.
Spoil, enjoy.
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I don't watch it, I don't want
it, so that's funny.
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Yeah.
That sounds good though.
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Anyway.
Really well off track there.
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So yeah, I did hint at your BBQ.
Come on, talk about it.
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There's not much to say because.
Most people want to hear about
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it, obviously.
I just, yeah, of course.
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Dentist from last week, so I
think about the BBQ.
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Wow, you've ruined my next joke.
Sorry you ruined it.
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I was about to do half ruined
it.
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I'm about to do a whole bit then
on pretending that dentists have
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called me from the dentist
association to not talk about
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it.
Thanks, Tim.
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Much funnier when you do it.
But back to the barbecues,
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embracing the dad life.
Yeah.
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And, and I was just saying just
before we started recording this
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podcast was like, OK, really
funny.
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This will get him.
This will get him nothing.
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Gets past me, Hayden.
Nothing.
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Nothing.
Including Joy.
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Yeah, Bob, who's right?
So between us means that are
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fully embracing the
stereotypical dead life.
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We'll stand around the BBQ the
other day, Dylan in his Crocs,
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talking about golf, me looking
at my lawn, thinking one of my
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my lovely freshly planted seeds
are growing, cooking on the
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barbecue.
And I just felt it's good.
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It's a good place.
To be we basically what's the
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word, but I was gonna say.
You say basic.
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Yeah, but it's not.
What's the word for that?
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Basic.
Dad.
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Don't know basic dad.
Doesn't really work.
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Does it got the dad bods?
We had them for a while, had
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that way before we were down.
The other day, what was it was
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talking about being on a diet.
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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tell me about it.
I'm kind of trying on a diet.
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They're like, ohh, yeah, the old
dad.
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But I was like, yeah, I'm trying
to get back down to my dad as
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I've gone past that.
Ohh, it's like when we were
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younger, you remember people
talk about, especially the girls
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we're talking about, like
wanting to be curvy.
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There's one thing I wanna be
curvy.
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And, and what curvy actually
went in the 90s was stick thin,
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like stick thin.
And there was this whole
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horrible like environment of
girls, like thinking they had to
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be so, so, so skinny.
And and it's with dad bod.
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I kind of feel like we're moving
towards that a little bit
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because people say dad bod, they
don't mean an actual
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stereotypical body of a dad with
a huge beer belly from they mean
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like quite a skinny bloke.
You're still a bit like he's
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wider at the top than he is at
the bottom.
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And it's a bit of a stomach
like, yeah, dad bod doesn't mean
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like, you know, hugely
overweight.
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And, and again, it's like it's
turning into that, but it's
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like, that's right.
I've got a dad bod.
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It's like that's not what they
mean.
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They're.
Getting better and better, these
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old dad bothering me, harder to
achieve.
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It's the dad.
Yeah, it's the dad.
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Chris Pratt.
OK, in that case.
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Yeah, it comes somehow as
attached to money as well.
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Now, dad bod.
Yeah, you gotta be earning a
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couple of million a year as an
actor.
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Yeah, Dad bought is actually
just give your salaries strange,
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but I want I want to talk about
crops quickly because you
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mentioned crops go on.
I am really embracing like, you
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know, there's a few there's a
few things you go through like
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watershed moments growing up
where you slowly realise that
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you are an adult and and to me,
one of them in is I can really
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like separate people out here
where people are age and their
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opinion on Crocs, because I
think it's very ingrained with
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us growing up that Crocs were
horrendous.
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Crocs were horrendous.
Young people now are embracing
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it, but anyone who's in, like,
their 30s, that turning 30, late
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20s, early 30s, I can tell a lot
about them by their reaction
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when I say Crocs.
Because if they're just like,
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ohh, Crocs, Oh my
My Crocs are my slippers around
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the house.
I have to admit I obviously
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tried to wind you up every day
because, you know, as you know,
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Dylan's and then that doesn't
like being, you know, his things
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being touched and all those
sorts of things.
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We've talked about dinner
before, you know, go back and
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listen to Yeah about dinner.
But is that, what is that just
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one?
That was a bit weird talk about
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you.
And I was cracking up at the
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idea that your mum didn't clock
on that you were a bit strange
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when you were eating silica
packages in in Clarks or
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whatever it was.
Do not eat, I think I'll taste.
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It wouldn't be anything else
anyway.
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Ohh God, that story is my
favourite story.
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But yeah, if I put Dylan's Crocs
on, I've never worn Crocs and I
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am one of those guys.
Like Crocs, Crocs look stupid.
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Put them on and I and I was a
little bit annoyed in my head
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and I thought these are nice.
My first thought was these feel
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good.
Do you like in the movies when
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like they rushes into their
brain, they have like this
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moment like just like
Ratatouille when the food critic
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gives the food, when he gets
back to his childhood with wide
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eyes, wear Crocs.
You have that moment of rural
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comfort and joy.
Yeah, I'm now thinking it might
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happen.
I reckon for my birthday
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someone's gonna get me cross
because I mentioned this.
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I reckon Lauren.
Yeah, it's part was clocked on
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you.
Said it quite loudly, I reckon.
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Lauren.
Yeah, the other side of this
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door.
Yeah, our producer.
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Who?
Who?
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We just hide away.
Yeah.
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And make it sound good.
Sound issues yes yeah Lauren
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honestly yeah yeah, but Crocs,
Crocs amazing but yeah pretty
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good week I mean I'm I'm quite
excited it's half time I feel
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like my time doesn't exist
anymore but.
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You've been you've been
messaging me at 5:00 AM a lot.
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What's going on?
Who's getting up at 5:00 AM?
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This is unreal.
Any other parents out there,
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please message me and tell me
I'm not alone.
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Because.
Because I'm pretty sure I can't.
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I'm obviously not the only one.
I hate that phrase.
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Am I the only one who and then
insert something which is so
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normal?
Yeah, probably.
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Generally one who has Weetabix
with milk.
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No, of course you aren't.
What do you mean I'm I'm the
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only one who sits on their chair
with their bum.
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But.
No.
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Am I the only man in the world
sitting down to wee?
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Well, maybe.
No I think I know more blokes
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who said to me than who stand up
at this point.
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It's come to you.
We are entering the zone of just
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doing what feels good and not
what is proper and that is why
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I'm here for anyway Rory wakes
up I I honestly there is about a
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4 minute window which is 458 to
five O 2 and he wakes up in that
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window every single day and it
doesn't matter.
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This is what I don't get.
If every day he had 4 1/2 hours
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sleep and woke up like, ohh, his
body clocks developing, he could
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go to bed at six or half eight,
right?
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He would wake up at half one in
the night and at 5:00 in the
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morning.
Yeah.
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And when he wakes up at 5:00, I
think ohh yeah, a bit of food
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and like a bit of a rock.
Maybe another hour.
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No, no, no.
Like about 5.
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And it's hilarious because
there's a difference when he
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wakes up and he we know we'll go
back to sleep.
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He kind of just like says yeah,
because he clearly wants to be
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asleep.
And you know.
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Yeah, 5:00 AM right?
Because he is, his head is like
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turning looking cuz he knows
we're in the bed next to him and
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he's like turning and he just
goes yeah.
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And I'm like Oh my As soon as I
hear they are, yeah.
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You're not going back.
That it's just you.
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He's just mini.
He's probably looking for silica
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packets.
Is it?
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Is it me?
Do I do that?
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Do I get up and walk my head?
I'll go.
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Honestly, yeah, when you're,
when you're not around other
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people, yeah, that's your true
self.
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That is you.
Yeah, that's the other thing
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about having a kid.
Anything that he develops that's
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annoying, it's going to be just
me.
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Yeah.
So it's gonna be hard to be
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annoyed.
Yeah, you'll, you'll remember
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your child and be like, ohh,
yeah, that's me.
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That's weird.
There isn't.
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I think about the 5:00 AM thing.
It's strange.
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I don't know.
There's a link between the the
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daylight that comes out of 5:00
AM and him getting up every
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single time there's something
there that might be a.
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Reason I'm trying to convince
Lauren that has to do with that.
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Yeah.
And she was like, Nah, I was
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like that one logical thing I
think it is, though.
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I think it is.
And then she was like, I don't
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think so.
And I was like, this is just
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with.
Animals historically don't wake
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up when it gets light, do they?
That's that is a definitely a
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thing.
They do wake up generally after.
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It's weird though, we're really
up on the tangent here.
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Like why do we go to sleep at
like for like 8 hours?
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Like aren't we really vulnerable
as animals?
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I know we're not now because we
got buildings and stuff, but how
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on earth did we evolve to get
unconscious for eight hours?
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In a row.
I often think that such pathetic
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versions of our like primitive
sales, aren't we?
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Honestly, if if you just took
away my house and like money
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right now, I had nothing right,
I'd be dead in a week.
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Honestly, I wouldn't know what
to do.
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If you put me in like the best
place for it as well like easy
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survival, I still wouldn't be
like ohh.
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I'd already an.
Evolution, feed me someone give
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me water.
I wouldn't know what to do.
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Ohh no survivors go back Rd
laughing.
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What Finally here we there
licking his lamb finally after
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all these years?
Yeah, Bear Grylls knows what to
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do.
We don't Bear Grylls and Ray
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Mears.
Ramiers Ray Mears was a better
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version of hair growth.
I used to love his hair.
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Grows a Tory fraud?
No, sorry, not talking politics.
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Politics today.
Come on.
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Ohh.
At all.
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No, not at all.
Just wait half an hour.
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No talk about SATS, right?
Yeah, let's, let's go into our
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little chat because this is the
week as a recording, you're
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listening to this.
If you're listening to this
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episode, the day it comes out,
all the week comes out.
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Last week the sats were
released, so the embargo has
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been lifted.
Uh, Sats were taken by year six
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children two or three weeks ago.
We're gonna go through papers,
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have a lot of reflection.
Yeah, quick reflection, quite a
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few talking points online, few
talking points heading likes to
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go through the test being year
six teacher and he found a few
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very, very, very weird things.
So we're gonna have a reflection
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there and reflection like rhymed
really nice with election.
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And it's not that I'm political
or anything, it's I don't
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actually want the politics.
We just use it in the title.
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Yeah.
So we talk about Sats.
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Yeah, stay around the politics.
OK, Hayden, are you all set with
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your framing?
Your crotch.
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Further back this time I was
like, oh, I don't want my legs
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in it.
And they're watching on Spotify
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in for a treat for the 1st 15
minutes.
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No, it wasn't is now looking at
it, hopefully not.
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We're going to see a big spike
on the retention, like someone
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rewinding.
God, what's wrong with us?
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Right, Hayden, you're a year six
teacher.
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I sat where a couple of weeks
ago and we go through all the
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papers and stuff for our
tutoring.
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Like we we like to keep ahead on
that and do videos and stuff and
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explanations.
Where would you put this year's
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SATS papers on a scale of
incredibly unfair and horrible
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to too easy and there's no point
doing it.
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Everyone can do all these
questions.
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Overall bang in the middle, I
think you would you say, I
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think, OK, it's weird.
It's a good thing in the context
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of SATS, like whether OK, so
just within the confines of
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let's just assume we all think
SAS is OK, Sure, this this, this
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set of papers was OK.
So she's not gonna be discussing
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whether we should abolish Sats.
We have done that, yeah.
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We might mention it briefly, but
we have done in depth discussion
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about the Sats in general.
But no, I think about the last
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Sats and all of the controversy
around the reading paper being a
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bit too hard and stuff.
This one was still quite tricky,
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but it wasn't as bad as that.
The maths I thought was
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completely fair.
I know you've had a little look
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at the mass papers and the GPS
was alright as well.
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I just bought the whole process
that that is exactly what that
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is like.
I didn't have really have any
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major issues.
There's a few little bits we can
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pick apart and a bit, but they
they're small enough where it
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wasn't enough to be like, ohh,
there's whole sats.
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There was a sham.
It was so unfair for these kids.
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It was a fair bunch of.
Tests so as an insight them for
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anyone who wasn't involved in
this act, whether they're a
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teacher or even just a parent.
What was your experience with
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the children sitting in the
papers?
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Because I think a big thing a
lot of people are interested in,
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interested in their well-being
is, you know, that that's kind
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of a big, you know, problem.
Sometimes it think for long
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parents especially.
So again, having administered
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the SATS and gone through it
with your cohort, how did you
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find that?
Well, that's interesting, that's
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for it.
Cause any of this stuff, if you
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do write to us, if you have a
comment, I know Dylan deals with
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Instagram, but please, if you've
got something to say because I'm
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genuinely so interested in other
schools and how this happened,
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right?
So this is me going for the
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paper.
So we did GPS and as always, I
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think the GPS is weirdly timed.
I like the majority of the
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children sit in the test were
finished with 20 minutes left,
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15 minutes left.
And I find that's quite often
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the case of GPS because it's
just 50 typically really quick
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one mark questions and then.
How long do they have?
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Like 45 minutes.
And I do find that children
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generally with through that,
which I find strange because
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then when they do the reading
paper, I think the next day the
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reading paper to me every single
year.
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I always think why is it so
harshly timed?
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They get so much extra time for
the GPS and the same group of
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children.
By the way, I had about 30 to 40
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with me in the hall because I
was administering the kind of
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the bulk of the kids in our
school, the same group of kids
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that are all finished and sat
there looking through their GPS
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papers 20 minutes ago were all
like generally all struggling to
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finish that paper.
I I saw that 10 minute timer
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sort of get to 10 minutes left.
And I was looking around the
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hall and I was thinking, wow,
half of these kids are just
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scrambling now to the third
text, which typically requires
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almost them 2020 minutes to do.
Yeah, like a bit more than a
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third, maybe 25.
And yeah, I just thought, this
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is just seems wrong.
Like there's no way these kids
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have all just suddenly now.
Ohh I forgot how to read the GPS
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yesterday.
It's like, no, the timings are
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just off and I think that every
year.
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Do you think that's the biggest
impact on well-being for the
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children then?
Like in terms of like we're
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talking about the difficulty,
the act of actually doing the
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test, the timers, is that what
you notice is like a bit of a
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red?
Flag I'd say that yes and and
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I'd say it's 5050 with with the
difficulty.
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Sure.
I think for well-being with
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kids, if they find it
challenging, if they find it too
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challenging, whatever that
threshold is for them, I think
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that's really negative on their
well because it makes them feel
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rubbish.
Sure.
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And I equally think that for any
difficulty for any kid, if then
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if they feel like they're stress
because they're not finishing
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it, and then I'll get an
opportunity to show what they
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can do, whether they're, you
know, really high ability or
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not.
I think that's also a massive
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contributor to them feeling
really stressed after it.
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Ohh, didn't get time to do the
last three questions.
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Which they could have.
Thought they could have got
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right and and they really wanted
to cause maybe it's.
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Important to have a go at.
It yeah.
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And like, that's just not fair.
So I think the reading comp just
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needs more time.
I don't know why it is an hour.
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The text seems to be getting
slightly longer over the years
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as well.
So it takes a bit more time to
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read.
The questions are just getting a
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little bit more.
Well, is that really in their
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comprehension?
Well, I've always found that
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weird in terms of a timer for
comprehension.
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I know why timers existing
tests, like I understand that
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there are reasons.
So someone's listening.
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Well, of course you need a
timer.
448
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Yeah, you're OK You're testing.
Can they get through a text
449
00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:35,560
quick enough?
And you know how, how quick do
450
00:18:35,570 --> 00:18:37,920
you have to understand something
before you don't really properly
451
00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:39,400
understand it and all that kind
of stuff.
452
00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:43,620
But I, I still, my gut instinct
with comprehension is that if it
453
00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:48,680
takes a child an extra minute to
get to the right answer, I don't
454
00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:50,940
think that matters.
That's that's my opinion.
455
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,240
I agree, I think, I think there
is a place for word reading
456
00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:57,040
speed.
Hmm, in terms of a some sort of
457
00:18:57,050 --> 00:18:59,420
measure, maybe a kids ability to
read.
458
00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:02,450
But yeah, I agree generally and
especially when especially when
459
00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:04,600
the majority of kids are
struggling to read it like in
460
00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:06,650
that time, I'm like, come on,
this is not even reflecting like
461
00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,220
the average reader this sort of
time.
462
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:10,320
So that was mental.
And then with the maths
463
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:13,060
arithmetic mean, you seen the
arithmetic paper.
464
00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:14,840
I'll ask you what you what did
you think of the arithmetic
465
00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:17,200
paper in terms of like
difficulty and stuff?
466
00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:20,720
I, I've got, I've got probably a
potentially controversial
467
00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:24,930
opinion on arithmetic in that
having seen every arithmetic
468
00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:27,660
paper for years now, because
like I said, I always go through
469
00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:29,910
and, and model answers and do
them.
470
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,570
I, I think, OK, you can come
back to this.
471
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,170
I think that the average child
in year six should aim for full
472
00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:42,830
Marks and everything paper.
And I know that some children
473
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,870
who can't, some children who
can.
474
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,480
And when it comes to reasoning,
the average child absolutely
475
00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:48,710
would be nowhere near full
marks.
476
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240
No, same for reading comp.
Same for GPS actually, in my
477
00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:52,860
opinion, like you could do well
in GPS.
478
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:56,070
There's a lot of weird stuff GPS
that go up when it comes to
479
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440
arithmetic.
The processes involved in that
480
00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:02,400
question, you could write them
down and get every single
481
00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,840
process that will come up before
the test comes up.
482
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:07,550
Yeah, you, you, you.
OK, You will get an additional
483
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,960
question with 11 number has 2
decimal places.
484
00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:13,350
One number has three decimal
places.
485
00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:17,240
You will get 2 fractions that
have one as the numerator that
486
00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,680
you multiply together.
You will get a You will get a
487
00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:24,100
fraction multiplied by.
Sorry.
488
00:20:24,170 --> 00:20:27,290
Provided by a whole number, you
know, you, you can, you, you
489
00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,660
will get short division, you
will get this long division, you
490
00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:31,230
will get multiplication.
It's the same.
491
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,310
So yeah, my whole point there is
I suppose over over the course
492
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,470
of four years or from year three
up to year six, I think that as
493
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,850
teachers we should be aiming for
them to be able to answer every
494
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:43,790
question.
And I think in year six
495
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,070
especially the the average child
should sit down and have and
496
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560
been able to prove over the last
couple of months that they can
497
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:51,550
answer every single question on
the.
498
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,290
Test.
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a
499
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,230
really big stretch target.
I think I'll just dive into it a
500
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,450
bit more because yeah, like you
said with other tests, the
501
00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:59,880
average child I don't think
should be should be going the
502
00:20:59,890 --> 00:21:01,380
50.
Percent, I've been lined up the
503
00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:04,250
children in the in the year in
in the whole country who are in
504
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:06,060
year six.
If you picked out the middle
505
00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:08,340
code, yeah, my opinion is they
should be able to answer the
506
00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:09,540
question on the.
Test Yeah, yeah, it should be
507
00:21:09,550 --> 00:21:11,180
aiming 40.
It's funny because I don't think
508
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,360
every child should be aiming for
full marks in maths in general,
509
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:15,480
no, but yeah, the arithmetic
paper is just different, isn't
510
00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:16,720
it?
Is just very, very different.
511
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:19,890
And I yeah, I agree.
I think some people probably
512
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:21,840
listen to thinking, come on,
that's that's mad.
513
00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:24,240
And realistically, the average
is probably the average child
514
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,540
should probably be getting
somewhere between 30 and 30.
515
00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,000
I was gonna say probably. 30 But
I think what I really want to
516
00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:30,040
stress is that you talk about
aiming.
517
00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:33,080
Yeah, average kid should aim for
40 out of 40.
518
00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:35,830
And, and that's why I try to be
really clear when I said should
519
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,820
have proven honestly in the in
the months beforehand, having
520
00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:41,790
had four years of key stage two,
that there there should be
521
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,010
nothing that could come up on
that test which they have no
522
00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:45,550
idea about.
Yeah, there might be something
523
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,230
on the test like maybe for, for
example, long divisions, one I
524
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,430
can think of straight away where
working out the multiples of 49
525
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,630
might be really tricky for a
child.
526
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,630
Yeah.
Or if they haven't learned their
527
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,970
times tables, a lot of the
questions are going to be
528
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,420
absolutely not be able to get
there.
529
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:01,800
But my point is you should aim
by year 6 to 9 your time.
530
00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:04,830
Should be average year six kid.
No, that's exactly the average
531
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,550
kid.
Should know that.
532
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,290
Well, there's some kids who
can't.
533
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:10,140
It's like I know and I never
expected to get. 4.
534
00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:11,860
Yeah, yeah.
So that, that's my opinion.
535
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:14,230
And having a look through the
test, I thought the only thing
536
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,490
that really struck a chord of me
where there were two things
537
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:20,050
where they at every single
opportunity, it felt like they
538
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,300
formatted the question in a way
that was different to what they
539
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:24,970
thought the kids might see.
Yeah, they they very, very, very
540
00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:30,050
often, almost too often.
But the answer box first equals
541
00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:31,880
and then the question.
Yeah, which is such a small
542
00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:33,820
thing, but.
And, and I've got nothing wrong
543
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:36,130
with that being on the paper,
but it felt like they did that
544
00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:38,060
about eight times.
And it was, Yeah.
545
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:41,590
And it was like, if you're gonna
test children on that and you
546
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,260
know children won't get it, you
are essentially saying they're
547
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:46,200
not gonna get 8 Times Now
instead of just like three or
548
00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:46,920
four.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
549
00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,320
And, and the other thing that
really stood out to me, which
550
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:53,710
was crazy because this genuinely
doesn't matter in my opinion, is
551
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,360
the answer to almost every
fraction question was a fraction
552
00:22:57,370 --> 00:23:00,760
that could have been simplified.
So for example, the answer I
553
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:02,390
think to one was something like
46.
554
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,050
The answer to another one was
1420 firsts.
555
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,140
And, and there was all I mean by
that is you will get the mark if
556
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:11,540
you don't bother touching it.
So if if it's let's say it's
557
00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:17,610
2514, THS take away 414th, yeah,
you will get a mark for putting
558
00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:19,600
twenty 114th.
That's fine, Yeah.
559
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:22,640
But then if you try to simplify
it and do it wrong because you
560
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:25,200
see it simplify, it could be
simplified and for whatever
561
00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:27,980
reason, maybe you put 14 / 7 or
whatever it is you do.
562
00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:31,460
Yeah, if you then try and do an
extra step and then put that
563
00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:33,080
down, you'd get it wrong.
Yeah, you would.
564
00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,640
Even though you've done the
subtraction absolutely correctly
565
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:38,830
and you've got the right answer.
And I just thought, wow, there
566
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,110
could have been some points at
least when it wasn't option
567
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,930
simplify.
Yeah, but you weren't even.
568
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,150
Yeah.
Because if you're gonna get a
569
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,170
mark for not simplifying, that's
such a weird extra step to that
570
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:49,310
you can only lose by doing.
That you're highlighting now
571
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,710
really is that is that really
nuanced stuff that I think
572
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,770
teachers when you're 6, you just
sort of think we're just playing
573
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:56,640
a game at this point.
Absolutely we're playing a game
574
00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:59,360
because you know what, on
average, if you had two classes
575
00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,710
and one of them you you really
explicitly drilled to them
576
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,980
because you know how the Sats
works, right, You drilled to
577
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:05,550
them.
Never simplify your answer as it
578
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,810
tells you to.
And the other one they did never
579
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:08,630
mentioned it, but they were
taught simplifying like they
580
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,180
both would have been exactly.
They're not there.
581
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:12,580
There's probably, there's
probably a high chance that one
582
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:14,740
class of app would outperform
the other, not based on ability,
583
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:16,720
but because they know the test
technique and the other ones
584
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:18,500
were trying to do something.
And there's obviously gonna be
585
00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:21,050
the occasional accidental error.
Yeah.
586
00:24:21,150 --> 00:24:24,860
You know, any extra steps opens
up the possibility of accidental
587
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:26,040
errors.
Nothing to do with ability.
588
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:27,280
Absolutely.
It's just, yeah, it's really
589
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:27,790
funny, isn't it?
So.
590
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,740
That, that, that was my gut
instinct having a look through
591
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:31,560
the recipes.
But I thought the content, as
592
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:34,130
always, I think it's gonna be
really hard to find a year where
593
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:36,080
you look at the requisite test
and you think, oh, that's tricky
594
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:37,480
because you just know what's
gonna come up.
595
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:39,100
Every year there's like one or
two questions.
596
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:40,350
Ohh, didn't really picture like
that.
597
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,110
With my kids, before putting
those one year, it was something
598
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,430
like I think it was four and 1/4
times no.
599
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,070
Two and 1/4 * 39.
They got two and 1/4 * 30.
600
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,130
That's what it was, which again
is not actually that tricky.
601
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,290
You defeated 9 * 239 quarters.
It's like it's almost like a
602
00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:58,420
improper fraction to a mixed
number question.
603
00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:00,240
Or do you wanna make it into
decimals and 2.7?
604
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:04,080
Whatever you wanna do.
But I felt like again, if you're
605
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,780
drilling as a year six teacher
passed test questions past.
606
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:08,560
Papers never come.
Up it's actually I don't think
607
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:10,600
it's come up before where
something on 1/4 * 30.
608
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:12,160
Never.
Which in fact, the only thing
609
00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:14,240
that's come up with a mixed
number of times, an odd number
610
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:16,540
is 1 1/2 right there.
You've had like I remember the
611
00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:20,110
classic 1 1/2 * 59 was that, was
that in the reasoning paper,
612
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,660
something like that.
And there was that.
613
00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:23,590
There was that reasoning
question that was like something
614
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,060
to do with the days on a
different planet.
615
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:27,880
Yeah, that was like that.
But you know, doing that
616
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:29,480
question, that is the correct
curriculum.
617
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:29,990
Question.
Yeah.
618
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,780
And and actually it's.
A good thing, I think that.
619
00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:33,940
Came out funny because I taught
that fairly recently as well.
620
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:36,080
Yeah, I was like, I was just
looking at numbers and just
621
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:37,820
mixed numbers in the column is
like if you ever get a mixed
622
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:40,130
number times the number, then
just partition it at all number
623
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:41,550
of times this and the fraction
times this.
624
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,330
Yeah, just put it back and.
That's where actually, I would
625
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:46,020
say the more they can find for
those questions in Arabic, I
626
00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:47,620
actually get behind that for.
Yeah.
627
00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:49,410
Because, again, what you're
doing is the opposite of what
628
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:50,960
you said.
Someone who's been drilled to
629
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:52,980
test technique, if they only
ever use the same Bank of
630
00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:55,400
questions when it comes to the
test, yeah, those test
631
00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:56,470
techniques are gonna shine
through.
632
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,940
And I think you should be
looking actively at a question
633
00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:02,260
writer to find curriculum
questions that aren't too
634
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,260
difficult but pitch nicely for
the curriculum.
635
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:06,840
Yeah, that test children on
their knowledge, not on their
636
00:26:06,850 --> 00:26:08,100
test.
Yeah, the question should be
637
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:12,750
when making it is OK, if a child
understands this concept, can
638
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,260
they answer this question?
Yeah, then call use it.
639
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:16,710
It's gonna come really nicely
into a discussion.
640
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,600
We're gonna have a minute about,
yeah, different questions.
641
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:20,780
I think maybe, Yeah, go on.
Just final reflection on the
642
00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:21,780
mask then.
Yeah, realistic.
643
00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:24,420
I agree with the right.
I think most kids timing wise,
644
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:26,300
they were right with it.
You know, especially I didn't
645
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:28,280
quite a lot of my able
mathematicians in there.
646
00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:30,720
So they were finally finished.
Quite what the reason because.
647
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,430
The only thing this year it was
the same last year, I think all
648
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,460
the year before I can't
remember, but reasoning paper
649
00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:37,760
two was like distinctly harder
than reasoning paper.
650
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:38,760
Three comes before.
Right.
651
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:40,090
Yeah.
So the 2nd paper they did,
652
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,680
there's three papers altogether.
The 2nd paper they did was so
653
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:45,750
much harder than the 3rd paper
and all of this there's the
654
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,350
objective is like really wrong
with that.
655
00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:50,350
I don't like it when it's that
way around because the only
656
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,110
thing I think can happen from
that is it just put it just gets
657
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,330
some of the contacts up and
knocks their confidence for that
658
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:56,640
last Test.
I just think the hardest one
659
00:26:56,650 --> 00:26:58,610
should be at the.
End full stop, because you
660
00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:00,040
because kids are children are
used to that.
661
00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,660
And then I know a lot of
children who after that first
662
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:04,600
because the the next test on the
next day.
663
00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:07,110
So you've got a whole night of
worrying and I know a lot of
664
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,450
children were thinking what if
paper to was like that?
665
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:12,350
Ohh, my gosh, paper three is
going to be horrendous and that
666
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,440
was a bit weird.
There's no need.
667
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,740
To do.
It's just unnecessary that that
668
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:16,940
would be my only reflection.
We're gonna talk very
669
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:19,250
specifically about some
questions, so we're gonna dive
670
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,450
in now because there are a few
questions every year.
671
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:24,170
No, we've said in general we
think it was quite a fair test.
672
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:25,100
I.
Think it was quite a fair.
673
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:27,730
Test and there's always going to
be tricky stuff and you can pick
674
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:29,150
out.
Last year there was a bit more
675
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,920
than usual and there's a bit of
a furore, especially I'm
676
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:32,470
reading.
But there were still some
677
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,490
questions this year which we
just saw when we looked through.
678
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,650
And then also online there's
been a lot of debate and
679
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:41,380
discussion about yeah, my
opinion on Sam is different to
680
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:43,490
your opinion on Sam.
We have a good chat about
681
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,050
whether it's good or not to give
10 year olds.
682
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:46,630
This let's, Let's start with the
reading.
683
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,640
There's one question we've got
here from the reading paper
684
00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:51,620
because I, I, I was looking for
it very, very intricately the
685
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:53,460
other day and I was looking at
the mark scheme for every single
686
00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:55,440
question as well.
And I stumbled across this
687
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:57,020
question right at the beginning
of the paper.
688
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,470
And I genuinely can't believe I
had to message Dillon cause
689
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,750
normally I jumped the gun with
these things.
690
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
And he'll be like, no, you've
just, you've just not seen this
691
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:04,440
thing.
So I messaged Dylan and be like,
692
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,100
is it just me or is this
question completely wrong and
693
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:10,490
actually just just broken?
So here it is question three of
694
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,920
the reading comp paper.
So you'd assume early on, but
695
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,080
easier as well.
It says, how can you?
696
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:18,420
And this is an exact quote all
the way.
697
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:21,650
How can you tell?
Streaked tenrecs are social
698
00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:24,550
animals for anyone listening is
not in the same world the 10
699
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,550
reps of these little creatures
the whole text was all about.
700
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,210
So that's not just like already.
There's.
701
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,910
Non visual text about that.
So they would have had some
702
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,710
context.
How can you tell their social
703
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,470
animals now?
The text says in a paragraph, a
704
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,690
very short paragraph, it says
both Lowland 10 Rex and St 10
705
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,910
Rex are very social animals.
So I can tell them.
706
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Police says that and then the
question says how can you tell
707
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:51,200
that that street terms are
social animals?
708
00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:54,020
Also question three, you assume
it's gonna be easy and I looked
709
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:56,400
to the mark scheme and it's
marked as a retrieval question
710
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:58,140
as well.
So you so it's not even an
711
00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:00,420
inference question where it's
like you have to find evidence
712
00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:02,180
to do it.
It's it's labelled as a
713
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,880
retrieval.
Question should just be in the.
714
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:05,150
Text.
You just find the answer in the
715
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,220
text and it's there.
And then obviously me and a lot
716
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:11,740
of the kids, this is how I would
have answered it when I was
717
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,440
walking around, I looked at that
and I thought, I'm gonna answer
718
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:17,720
that as.
I would answer that as because
719
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:19,660
the text says they're very
social animals.
720
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:22,710
Because it does.
It literally says that it looks
721
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
at the marking.
It says do not accept the text
722
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:27,660
says that they are social
animals or any reference to the
723
00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:29,800
fact that the text says they're
social animals.
724
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,510
Yeah, but the question is how
can you tell our social animal
725
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,910
unreal.
I just think it's mad because
726
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,100
really what they're trying to
do, it's very poorly worded.
727
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:38,230
Very.
What they're trying to say is
728
00:29:38,290 --> 00:29:42,020
what evidence is there to prove
that they are social animals and
729
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:43,730
what they should have done is
what they've always done in the
730
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,950
past, which is just quote the
actual text.
731
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,390
Yeah, say like show the quote
and quotation Marks and say what
732
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,550
evidence that backs up the fact
that their social animals.
733
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Then you obviously can't use the
quote that's in the question.
734
00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:58,270
Yeah, because I suppose a lot of
children or defenders of this
735
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,930
even might say some children
will know that they shouldn't
736
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:02,850
repeat the question.
Yeah, So the question says how
737
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:04,740
can you tell St Turmeric social
animals?
738
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:07,660
I would argue it's pretty
obvious from a teaching point of
739
00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:10,000
view.
And some children might know you
740
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:12,210
don't simply repeat the question
and the answer because that's
741
00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:15,400
mad.
However, in this exact case of
742
00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:17,880
how it's worded, that is not
wrong.
743
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,860
So to, to, for a mark scheme to
say that it's wrong is
744
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:22,250
unbelievable.
And what it's actually doing is
745
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:24,180
undermining the text as a whole
because what it's what it's
746
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,980
suggesting there is no, no, you
can't actually trust the text
747
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:28,920
unless you then back up with
more stuff from the text.
748
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:30,470
Now, isn't it never happened
before like that?
749
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,580
Yeah, that's that's never
happened.
750
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:34,480
Yeah.
It's always been the case where
751
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:35,900
there isn't a direct thing from
the text.
752
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:38,650
You there's only evidence to
back it up or there's not.
753
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:41,160
And if you write the quote and
the question and then you answer
754
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:43,450
justifying the quote by writing
the quote, that's very
755
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:45,260
specifically what we teach.
They're not there.
756
00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:46,620
Yeah.
You know, if you have a question
757
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:51,340
saying, you know, how do you,
how do you know or, or can you
758
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,060
explain something from the text?
If it's just written in that
759
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:57,040
very simple turn of phrase,
you're no longer explaining it,
760
00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:58,130
just repeating it.
Yeah.
761
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:01,050
So the explanation would be, and
it would force you to go to the
762
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,960
text, find the quote and then
read on.
763
00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:07,190
And that's a comprehensive.
Question could be like how can
764
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,660
you how can you tell that that
street 10 rats like living
765
00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:13,090
together Sure and it's OK
because the text says are very
766
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,410
social animals exactly.
Fine.
767
00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:16,910
And you kind of test in Word
meaning to a degree there.
768
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,830
Yeah, you know, in a way,
because you need to know what
769
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,280
social means.
Yeah, but that's a normal
770
00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:22,900
question that's come up.
Yeah, that just really annoy me
771
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:25,750
because you know what there's
there's there's going to be a
772
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,930
huge amount of children who have
been drilled.
773
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Everything you do comes from the
text and found the evidence and
774
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:34,180
they were just logically put
because the text says they're
775
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:36,310
very social and they're thinking
it's question three is an easy
776
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,560
question and and.
Taken out from that even,
777
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,980
there'll be a whole bunch of
children who have have got it
778
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:43,750
right.
That's the end of it.
779
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,490
Like, yeah, there'll be a whole
bunch of children who have
780
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:46,510
answered that question
correctly.
781
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,510
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who?
782
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,420
Because of the mark scheme,
because of the jumping through
783
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:50,990
hoops that they want you to do
Because.
784
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:54,330
Because the question doesn't
test what the question writer
785
00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:56,870
wanted to test.
They've just made the mark
786
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240
scheme wrong because they're
like, no, I don't want to test
787
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,120
that.
It's like, well, write a
788
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:02,250
different question because that
question isn't doing it.
789
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,910
Yeah.
Yeah.
790
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,990
It's unbelievable.
I'd say that to me.
791
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,590
I'm going to say right now that
is the only question out of the
792
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,570
entirety of these tests, which I
think is just completely wrong.
793
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:14,760
I think there are some we can
argue weird.
794
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520
There are some we can argue.
Yeah, yeah, maybe too far, just.
795
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:19,630
Straight up a mistake.
I'd argue that it's just a
796
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,280
terrible question.
Yeah, it's wrong.
797
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:22,790
Yeah.
Yeah, they would be able to
798
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,930
defend that, I don't think.
No, I think it's a good point.
799
00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:26,610
Now we can move on to another
question that popped up.
800
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:29,110
And again, I'd love to know, by
the way, anyone listening, what
801
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,850
your opinion is on this and
especially if you're out of
802
00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:33,620
school, are you aware this is
what we're asking children to do
803
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:34,760
when they're ten?
And do you think that's
804
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,010
appropriate?
Because I think that's, again,
805
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:37,730
it's a separate conversation,
but I think it's really
806
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:39,460
important.
Or if you are a teacher, did you
807
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:41,000
notice some children really
struggling on?
808
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:42,170
Some people get in touch with
us.
809
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,390
They will find us on Instagram
at Teach St People there.
810
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,580
Let me try one more time at
Teach the Repeat podcast to find
811
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:51,240
us on Instagram.
That is honestly the best way to
812
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:53,330
get in touch because I don't
actually really check anything
813
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,440
else.
So if you just go to Instagram,
814
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,900
you might find a few reels.
Again, I'm not sure of their
815
00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:59,550
political and I'm not a
political.
816
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,790
Person No we're not.
At the end of this episode and
817
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,920
talk about politics.
So this is a really good point
818
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:08,860
to go now because Hayden and I,
we love arguing.
819
00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,520
Some might say it's debating.
I'd say it's just straight up
820
00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:13,420
arguing.
Sometimes for the sake of it.
821
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:15,120
Yeah, because it's fun, even if
we agree.
822
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,990
I often take up an opposing view
of Hayden just to test his
823
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,310
opinion.
Sometimes opposing.
824
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,930
Opposing of.
You not opposing opposing this
825
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:27,430
one GPS paper.
You sent me this.
826
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,410
Yeah, go on, you explained.
It, it's a great question.
827
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:32,800
Yeah.
And it's number change.
828
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:34,610
Great question in terms of like
to talk about.
829
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:38,490
OK, So it's #50 it's the last
question on GPS paper, which is
830
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,980
quite often really hard.
If you look back at all the
831
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:43,330
previous papers, it's often #50
it's proper nasty.
832
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,690
And it says this circle, the two
adjectives that are synonyms in
833
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,930
the sentence below and then the
sentences.
834
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,230
The street was lined with grand
houses.
835
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:57,770
The modest cottage stood out
amongst its imposing neighbours.
836
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,710
So that's the question.
Go on then, you reflect.
837
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,770
First of all, what do you think
about if you saw that for the
838
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,730
first time?
What would you?
839
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:07,070
What do you think kids should be
doing to solve that question?
840
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,989
OK, I'm actually going to flip
it very quickly before I tell
841
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,120
you that because the context was
Hayden sent me this saying this
842
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:17,480
is incredibly true.
This is not good.
843
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:21,010
This is a bad question.
They said it was really.
844
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:23,080
Well, but then also a lot of
people were saying that then
845
00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:24,900
that the answers are not
synonyms.
846
00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:26,770
Yeah.
And and then my point was that
847
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:29,139
they are.
So, you know, we can talk about
848
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:31,380
how difficult this question.
Is disagree, I guess because I
849
00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:33,239
don't think they are synonyms.
Real.
850
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:34,670
No, not anymore.
I've gone back around.
851
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,139
OK, so OK, let's go for it then.
So my point here is circle the
852
00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:40,719
two adjectives that are synonyms
in this sentence below.
853
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:43,500
Firstly, it's a circle, the two
adjectives.
854
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:46,920
So straight away what I would
expect children to do in this
855
00:34:46,929 --> 00:34:48,500
case is you need to find two
adjectives.
856
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,010
I'd be looking through the text
and I'd be finding two
857
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,429
adjectives.
You might argue, well that's
858
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,380
tricky because you might find 2
and then there's actually
859
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:56,920
another one.
Yeah, cause they're very used to
860
00:34:56,929 --> 00:34:59,330
having questions earlier on
which are circle the two
861
00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:01,410
objectives in this sentence and
there are only two and that's
862
00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:03,020
the point.
So firstly, I'd say that's
863
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:05,320
something you could argue is
just a bit of a trick.
864
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:08,260
Circle the two adjectives, but
they read on that are synonyms.
865
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:10,480
So that suggests that there are
maybe more than two.
866
00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:13,220
So I would look at this sentence
and I'd say, OK, well the
867
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:15,520
adjectives that are only three
actually, and they come before a
868
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:17,340
noun.
So that's very bread and butter
869
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:21,520
for a year.
Adjectives are grand, modest and
870
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:23,880
imposing.
And then, then comes the
871
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:26,620
second-half of the question,
which is which to a synonyms.
872
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:28,460
Yeah.
And again, in year six, I would
873
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:31,120
expect the average child to know
that synonyms means has the same
874
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:32,270
meaning.
Yeah, it means the same.
875
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,140
Thing words that mean the same.
So grand, modest and imposing.
876
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:40,260
My opinion is it's very obvious
that modest is the odd one out
877
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:41,260
there.
Yeah.
878
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,400
And I would be saying, OK, well,
even if you didn't know what
879
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:48,740
these words completely meant to
grand and imposing you, in my
880
00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:52,210
opinion, if you're at a higher
level of your GPS understanding
881
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,350
and if you can identify
adjectives and you know synonyms
882
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,590
means the same thing.
I actually think this is a
883
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,810
really good question to test
that Can you identify synonyms
884
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:02,570
even with you're unsure what
words fully mean?
885
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:07,700
And again, my point is we need
to have a scale of difficulty on
886
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:10,470
questions, otherwise we just go
for the lowest common
887
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,220
denominator and the whole test
would be really easy.
888
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:14,170
So yeah, yeah.
For example, a synonym question
889
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:17,540
might be match the synonyms at
its most basic level.
890
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:18,390
Yeah.
And that was one like that
891
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,560
earlier.
Yeah, there you go.
892
00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:23,780
So this clearly has been
designed to put two kind of
893
00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:26,180
strands together, which alone
can be quite simple.
894
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:29,050
Then make it tricky because the
words are tricky as well with
895
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,060
word meaning.
And I think it's a really good
896
00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:34,260
last question is my opinion.
And what what was your biggest
897
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:36,050
issue with the question?
Let's dive into let's.
898
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:37,970
Is it?
Cause it's almost like it's not.
899
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:39,820
It's not like I just
fundamentally disagree with that
900
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:42,670
because I actually do over.
It's a separate point I thought.
901
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,800
You said your last question.
I think you can solve it in a
902
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:46,890
really interesting way.
Like you said, if you read the
903
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,710
modest cottage stood out amongst
its imposing neighbours.
904
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Yeah, from that sentence alone,
even if you didn't know what
905
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,910
modest imposing meant, knowing
their adjectives, the way their
906
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,890
sentence is phrased, you know
they mean opposite then.
907
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:57,330
Yeah.
Yeah.
908
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,070
So that immediately gets rid of
one of them.
909
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,410
And then you just have to work
out.
910
00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:02,820
The brand to be modest.
Exactly that.
911
00:37:02,830 --> 00:37:04,690
So we've test technique.
I think you can solve this
912
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,990
question and it's a really good
last hard question.
913
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,750
My problem with it was just
literally like the raw
914
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,520
understanding of of synonyms.
I just, I don't think that in
915
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:17,080
this sentence, and that's what I
want to stress.
916
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:20,540
It says our synonyms in the
sentence below.
917
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:23,820
I don't think grand and imposing
are synonyms in that sentence.
918
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:27,000
I know they are synonyms outside
of the context of this question,
919
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:29,520
but I just don't think they are
synonyms, and they're not close
920
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:31,410
enough in meaning to.
Actually be though so.
921
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,970
So my point here is you're,
you're imposing a different
922
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:37,860
definition, by the way, as a
verb, because this is imposing
923
00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:40,030
as an adjective.
You are kind of put, you are
924
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,200
projecting your understanding of
these words onto this sentence.
925
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:46,870
In that sentence they are
actually used emphasise, are
926
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,520
they?
Yeah.
927
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:49,000
The street was lined with grand
houses.
928
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:50,710
Let's imagine, let's just
imagine it.
929
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,650
They mean big.
OK Yeah, the street was lined
930
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:54,900
with big houses.
The small cottage stood out
931
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:57,090
amongst its big neighbours.
Yeah, absolutely.
932
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,900
From the authors point of view,
you, you are kind of saying,
933
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:01,910
well, it's not used in this way.
And I was like, well, it could
934
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,370
be Yeah, it could be.
Because if we swap big, then
935
00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:06,610
that's exactly what the author
means.
936
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:09,370
And my, my only point here is if
you search what is the
937
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:12,590
definition of imposing?
Yeah, it the first word of the
938
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,440
definition is grand.
Yeah, I'm not gonna disagree
939
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:16,390
with that.
But my my point is, those two
940
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,310
words literally mean large.
And I think an argument that
941
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,860
says, well, I don't use it, I
use it, I use them in different
942
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:26,690
contexts is just irrelevant like
they.
943
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,210
Literally just been basically.
I don't think it's irrelevant.
944
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:32,300
I think it's relevant enough to
confuse children in this
945
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,730
because.
I think it's supposed to confuse
946
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:35,090
them.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
947
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,310
I get question 50, but I just
think it went a bit too far.
948
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,470
I don't know, maybe it.
Didn't you're saying earlier in
949
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,430
the text it had a very simple
synonyms question?
950
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:44,010
So how on earth do we make
synonym questions harder?
951
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,150
There's only two ways in my
opinion, to make synonyms
952
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,370
question harder.
One pick words that no children
953
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:49,620
will know.
It's pointless.
954
00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:51,610
I think you did without the
context of the sentence, but
955
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:54,150
that would be just as hard if it
was like Brandon imposing.
956
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,410
Are they synonyms or?
Antonyms.
957
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:56,760
This.
This is this is my point,
958
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:57,510
though.
Hmm.
959
00:38:57,550 --> 00:39:01,430
Like if what we're doing here is
we're making it trickier because
960
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,790
if we just did it straight up,
two words that children won't
961
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,730
have heard of.
Yeah.
962
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:07,630
That is literally Eva.
You're testing word knowledge
963
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,500
then.
Yeah.
964
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,470
You're not actually testing if
you know synonyms are.
965
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,380
What I think this question does
really well is you can know what
966
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:18,180
synonyms are and get to the
right answer without actually
967
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,830
fully knowing what these words
mean.
968
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,560
That's the only testing what
synonyms.
969
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,570
Do do you think this is
interesting?
970
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:26,370
I thought I had when I was
talking to someone about it.
971
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,410
Do you think that this question
would be easier to do if you had
972
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:33,910
never actually experienced the
words grand and imposing in real
973
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,280
life for force you had no
understanding?
974
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,710
It depends.
It depends how you've how you've
975
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,620
come across them.
There's a lot of assumption.
976
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:43,030
Going on, so you've never got my
point is you've never seen the
977
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,630
word grand or imposing before.
So it's like proper you just
978
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,710
going back to like you're just
using the whole thing that well,
979
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,930
I know modest and imposing must
be opposite based on that
980
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:52,670
sentence and you're using that
technique versus children who
981
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,390
maybe have a really good
understanding of what they've
982
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,110
seen grand use loads in text and
they've seen imposing user loads
983
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,790
in texts.
Yeah, I guess my overall point
984
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,050
here is I think it's a
disadvantage to know what they
985
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,940
mean and and.
Because I think the overlap is
986
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:07,500
so small and not used in real
life like grand is is
987
00:40:07,570 --> 00:40:10,220
exclusively used exclusive easy
isn't.
988
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:12,710
It it's not exclusive.
It's not exclusive, though.
989
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:14,150
I don't think so.
No one uses grounded.
990
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,800
We'll never.
It will never be used not to be
991
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:18,140
a positive.
Connotation is very often but
992
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:20,690
and again, OK, so I guess my
whole point stepping back again,
993
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,200
there is fine.
Like it is used as a positive
994
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:26,230
word, but it's always used to
mean big.
995
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,050
And if someone uses it in a way
that doesn't mean big, they're
996
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,060
using the word incorrectly.
We can't.
997
00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:33,480
We can't.
You can't, you know, gonna test.
998
00:40:33,490 --> 00:40:35,810
Well, some people get this
wrong, so we won't put it in.
999
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,600
No, that's the reason why it's
been putting in.
1000
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:38,020
Yeah.
Yeah.
1001
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:41,010
Because if someone uses grand
and it's not large, then they're
1002
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:42,800
wrong.
But that is not what the way
1003
00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:44,430
means.
And if someone's using imposing
1004
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,720
only in a negative context, that
that doesn't mean it doesn't
1005
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:50,610
mean big, it means it means big
and scary.
1006
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,940
Yeah, but like the point you can
argue that that doesn't mean big
1007
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,300
in that one imposing neighbours
that that is probably more often
1008
00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:58,840
used to mean like neighbours
that are like literally like
1009
00:40:58,850 --> 00:41:00,760
getting, getting in your way,
they're overbearing or.
1010
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:02,090
Their overwhelming.
That's using.
1011
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,450
That's using the verb, not the
adjective.
1012
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:06,640
No, I I can impose my name is
encroaching on someone.
1013
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,070
I I've got imposing neighbours.
I could say that the house is
1014
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,440
exactly the same size as mine,
but why they say they're not
1015
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:12,460
imposing?
That's my point.
1016
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,980
You're using the word wrong that
you haven't got imposing them
1017
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:16,580
because they're bigger than you.
No, I could do.
1018
00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:18,180
I could be describing them as
imposing, surely.
1019
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:19,830
How?
Because they're like they're
1020
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,690
overbearing.
They're they're they're.
1021
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,170
Being so large in a different
sense.
1022
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:26,780
Yeah, but like metaphorically.
Yeah, but why?
1023
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:28,150
Why is that?
There doesn't have to be
1024
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,700
physical size, right?
Now.
1025
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:32,360
But it's just my name is just
supposing without specifically
1026
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:33,600
meaning they are physically.
Matter.
1027
00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:36,100
I also think in that case you're
using a slightly different
1028
00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:37,630
definition.
Yeah, but you don't know what
1029
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,960
the definition it could be
either in that one.
1030
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:40,600
There's no reason to believe
that that.
1031
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:42,490
So you're.
Saying neighbours is kind of
1032
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,280
like the size of the house.
So do you think never in
1033
00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:46,980
synonyms questions we should use
words that have more than one
1034
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:49,470
meaning?
No, but there's no way to
1035
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,150
actually know in that one.
There is because it's either
1036
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,660
modest or grand like that.
There there.
1037
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:55,990
There are no other synonyms in
that.
1038
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,570
Question, you know, I know, but
I'm just saying you could argue
1039
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,790
and we're just gonna assume that
when we're saying posing
1040
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,750
neighbours, we talk about the
size of the houses was it could
1041
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,610
that it could very like
legitimately mean they're
1042
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:06,910
imposing.
Fine, that's fine.
1043
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680
But I'm saying so in any case
where there's more than one
1044
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:12,570
definition for a word, you could
say, well, it might mean this.
1045
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,510
Yeah, that's fine, but the next
word should actually just make
1046
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,530
it clear that is one context or
the other if it's if.
1047
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:19,290
It's important.
I, I think I just disagree.
1048
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:23,390
I think this is just a hard
question and I I can't get over
1049
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,180
the fact that they literally
mean the same thing.
1050
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:27,390
Like, honestly, someone could
sit there for an hour and
1051
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,740
explain to me how they've used
it wrong in the past.
1052
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,480
Or other people might use it in
a different context.
1053
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,510
Like I, I, my response always
would be yeah, but they do mean
1054
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,560
they they mean.
Big.
1055
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,060
I reckon even taking out the in
the sentence below would
1056
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,850
actually help a little in terms
of they're just synonyms,
1057
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:42,740
because I just think it's such a
big argument for that that
1058
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:44,530
they're not.
They're as far away from
1059
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:47,290
synonyms as it gets in the
context of that sentence with
1060
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,790
two words that are technically
synonymous.
1061
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,930
Dictionary definition.
That's my point I guess,
1062
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:53,780
overall.
Yeah, I don't know.
1063
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:55,470
I don't know.
Yeah, it's funny cause I've just
1064
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,170
gone for the black and white
route of.
1065
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,270
Yeah, the Arsenal games.
Though they mean the same thing.
1066
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,230
Though, Yeah, no, I know.
I get it.
1067
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:00,950
Yeah.
And it's not wrong.
1068
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,730
Like that's all.
I will make that really clear.
1069
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:03,890
Yeah.
I don't think this question is
1070
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,650
incorrect or wrong.
I just think it's really hard
1071
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:06,810
and and I was trying to explore
why.
1072
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:07,930
I don't know what you guys
think.
1073
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:10,830
I'm I again, I I don't want
people to think I'm saying it's
1074
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:13,050
a easy question.
No, no, no, it's a hard
1075
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:15,450
question.
I'm simply arguing that it's not
1076
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,390
a bad.
Question.
1077
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,350
It's solvable.
Yeah, it's it's a hard question,
1078
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,600
which isn't wrong.
Yeah, and lots of kids have got
1079
00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:24,290
it right with the exact logic as
we thought of and they wouldn't
1080
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:25,680
have remotely thought what I'm
thinking of.
1081
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:28,270
No, I just or they might have
known that grounded imposing.
1082
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,580
Both mean big because they.
Do.
1083
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:31,960
Yeah, yeah, which is true.
I can't argue with that.
1084
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:32,600
They do mean.
Cool.
1085
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,160
There's another question.
Yeah, this was in a maths.
1086
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:37,510
I found this fascinating.
I want to explain exactly what
1087
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,380
happened in this situation.
So this is from the master paper
1088
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:42,780
for year six children who are 10
and 11 year olds.
1089
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:45,810
What did someone find?
A more interesting way, I'm
1090
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:48,280
gonna read out two questions to
you, and I want you to just you
1091
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:51,290
can tell me and you can think if
you're listening, what the
1092
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:51,900
difference is.
Really.
1093
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:54,770
I guess there's one question.
OK, that zoom in, I can't read
1094
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:56,430
it.
Chin.
1095
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,370
Good old Chen Chen buys these
four items.
1096
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:00,390
I wonder what test this was from
Rechen.
1097
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,980
Yeah.
Yeah, OK, For items you got 670
1098
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:09,170
grammes of apples, 1 LB fifty,
400 grammes of bread for nought
1099
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,440
#71 reading, as it says.
Other women certainly pay full
1100
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:15,400
impact of the pound.
Sign.
1101
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:16,770
Not every time.
So it's in Pence.
1102
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:19,730
Not pounds, yeah, not pounds.
500 grammes of butter, but
1103
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:21,980
there's no price.
And then there's 750 grammes of
1104
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:24,390
cereal for ��1.45.
And it says Chen pays for the
1105
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360
four items with a ��10 note.
The price of the butter is not
1106
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:30,600
shown.
She receives ��3.85 change.
1107
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:31,720
So what was the price of the
butter?
1108
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:32,740
That's a fantastic.
Question.
1109
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:34,330
Great question.
I love that question is really
1110
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:35,470
good.
And there's another question I'm
1111
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,180
gonna read to you.
Danny buys one loaf of bread for
1112
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:43,900
one pound, 21 bottle of milk for
70 P, It says 70 P this time 2
1113
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:46,740
packets of cheese with ��2.30.
Each packet.
1114
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:50,700
Danny pays with a ��10 note.
He says I should get ��3.30
1115
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:52,460
change.
Is Danny correct?
1116
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:54,540
You must show how to get your
answer.
1117
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:58,300
They're two very different, 22
very similar sorry questions.
1118
00:44:58,390 --> 00:45:00,920
One is from the year 6 Sats and
one is from GCSE.
1119
00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:03,780
And people might already be
like, well that's crazy.
1120
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:05,920
I don't think that's crazy
because actually the GCSE does
1121
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:08,270
go right back and it's like the
Sats has year three questions
1122
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,690
in.
The GC also has some easier
1123
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:10,740
questions in it.
That's fine.
1124
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,570
I'd argue the GC one is actually
easier.
1125
00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:14,040
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit
easier the.
1126
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:16,970
Missing unknown like you know.
Exactly that and, and the
1127
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:18,680
problem people have in this, I
got this from Facebook, the
1128
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:21,980
problem people were having was
that GCSE one gives you 3 marks,
1129
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:23,540
right?
And it's two marks on the Sats
1130
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:25,590
question.
And their point was for God's
1131
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
sake, why are 11 year olds like
expected to do this kind of in
1132
00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:30,120
two steps?
Because it can be done in two
1133
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:33,280
steps, by the way, both of them.
But like in GC, they're awarded
1134
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:34,930
kind of more marks.
And I guess the straight up
1135
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:38,240
counter argument could be maybe
everything proportionally gives
1136
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:40,790
you more Marks and GCSE's, in
which case it's it's an
1137
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,850
irrelevant comparison then if
everything gives you a bit more
1138
00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:44,300
marks.
Anyway, I would also argue that
1139
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:47,200
the GCSE one, there are two
steps mathematically, but then
1140
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:49,230
you also have to explain whether
he's right or wrong.
1141
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,120
Yeah, so you are, you are
actually doing another step
1142
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:51,660
there.
Yeah.
1143
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:54,120
So it says, is Daisy correct?
You must show evidence.
1144
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:56,770
So you're getting your two marks
for doing your maths, and then
1145
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:58,150
you've got to write a sentence
to explain.
1146
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,760
What you do actually because is
there any correct?
1147
00:45:59,770 --> 00:46:02,370
Could be yes or no and I think
the evidence is just the maths
1148
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:04,350
like it would be in the.
Here I'm using the masking
1149
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,480
productivity I'm assuming.
I'm assuming there's a mark for
1150
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:08,220
saying.
Yes or no, you must show how you
1151
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:08,720
get your.
Answer.
1152
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:09,620
I don't know.
I don't.
1153
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:12,860
Know, but yeah, it's interesting
how they're thirty of the same
1154
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:16,600
sort of questions.
Yeah, four years later.
1155
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:18,960
There was something else in that
question I saw a lot of people
1156
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:23,420
say and I, I really disagree
with them again, which is that
1157
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,870
in this question you've just
described, again, if you
1158
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,220
remember Hayden reading out, he
read all the weights of the
1159
00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:32,680
items that they've purchased.
And at no point in the question
1160
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:35,540
are the weights used to get to
the answer relevant.
1161
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:39,260
And I, my opinion on that is
that I completely sympathise
1162
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:42,880
with people who say, oh, they're
10 and 11, Why are we giving
1163
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:44,240
them information they don't
need?
1164
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,970
Solved question because it's
hard enough to understand that
1165
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:49,650
they've got to find the total of
the amount that's there, work
1166
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:52,430
out the change and then what's
left still for how much the
1167
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,730
butter.
But, and I would completely
1168
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:55,830
agree with those people.
And I would say if that if the
1169
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,210
weights were in this question, I
wouldn't bat an eyelid.
1170
00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:00,410
I'd be like, cool, that's still
a fantastic question.
1171
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,410
I still think it's a fantastic
question.
1172
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,670
But I, I think it's fair in a
problem solving question to put
1173
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,030
information that children have
to decide whether it's relevant
1174
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,310
or not.
And I would argue that it's not
1175
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,910
hard in that question to very
quickly figure out that the
1176
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,550
grammes aren't relevant.
Yeah.
1177
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,270
And and that's a very small step
to take in terms of problem
1178
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,190
solving.
And I would say that is testing
1179
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,530
problem solving.
And for a child finishing
1180
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:28,000
primary school, I think it's
acceptable to expect a child to
1181
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:29,000
know that they don't need to
know.
1182
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:31,790
The grounds I agree, even though
it's a maybe an overload of
1183
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480
information that it is so easy
to tell it's not relevant in
1184
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:37,650
that question.
I think people's more wider
1185
00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:40,570
point was that it's not there's
not a problem with this
1186
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:42,210
question.
It's more that it happened too
1187
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:44,280
often in the paper.
People were saying they were
1188
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:47,360
just one too many questions
where they were just putting in
1189
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:49,770
these really intricate traps of
extra information they don't
1190
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:50,830
need.
It was like, OK, we get the
1191
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,840
point.
It's kind of like you talk about
1192
00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:53,580
the answer box.
Yeah, you take it was like,
1193
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:55,860
yeah, OK, we, you get the idea
that it's good to see if they
1194
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:57,770
can interpret the answer box in
different places, but eight
1195
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:59,760
times, because if they can't now
they got it wrong 8 times.
1196
00:47:59,770 --> 00:48:02,430
Like, do we really need to make
every single question have all
1197
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,070
these extra information that's
not needed?
1198
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,330
I think that was the overall
point.
1199
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:06,770
And I don't really think that
was the case.
1200
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:08,230
I think people exaggerate a
little bit.
1201
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,230
I thought most of the paper was
was OK.
1202
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,240
The 2nd paper was just
particularly tricky.
1203
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,340
And you know what, the last five
or six questions on the
1204
00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:16,790
reasoning papers are
traditionally much, much harder.
1205
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,570
Really high level year 6
reasoning.
1206
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:21,020
Problems, that's why it's it's
actually a really, in my
1207
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:24,340
opinion, a very, you know, high
level to get to greater depth in
1208
00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:25,830
maths.
I think it's a really good
1209
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,300
achievement, yeah.
And if a child gets greater
1210
00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:30,900
depth in them year six Sats, I
think they're a fantastic.
1211
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:31,990
Mathematician.
Yeah, definitely.
1212
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,050
It's very hard to get that
again.
1213
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:34,470
Yeah, it's not easy.
It's not easy.
1214
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,050
Whereas I would say reading,
although I'd say you're a
1215
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:39,510
fantastic reader.
Thank you.
1216
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,050
I'd say getting great depth from
reading is still obviously
1217
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:47,110
really impressive, but I I would
expect it from more children.
1218
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,970
Do you think?
Yeah, there's just from what I
1219
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:52,330
see in terms of the, the, the
marks a bit lower.
1220
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:54,140
There's a lot of technique to
get there, unfortunately.
1221
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:57,610
Yeah, I would say that there are
a lot more fantastic readers
1222
00:48:57,620 --> 00:49:00,810
than fantastic mathematicians
just from my day-to-day.
1223
00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:03,010
Experience with them.
Quick question for you, slightly
1224
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:05,160
side track, but it's still
saturated our having a
1225
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:08,450
discussion with our SLT recently
because context everybody else
1226
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:10,450
ask at the moment we're going
through some English changes.
1227
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:12,860
We're trying to just up level
our English really our whole
1228
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:14,250
curriculum.
So we're really, really thinking
1229
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,220
about it and taking it slowly
and just making sure we get the
1230
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:19,480
foundations.
And, um, we were having a
1231
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:23,120
discussion about reading and I
forgot what I was going to say.
1232
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:28,250
What were you just saying?
What?
1233
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:31,720
Was talking about in general, as
a teacher, what's going wrong?
1234
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:32,850
You do have amnesia.
Yeah.
1235
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:35,930
As a teacher, in general, I
think there are more better
1236
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,950
readers.
Ohh, yeah.
1237
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,920
That.
I'm gonna finish what I'm
1238
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:39,140
saying.
I'm gonna finish one second,
1239
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:40,910
please.
There are more better readers.
1240
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,690
And I'm interested what people
think about this.
1241
00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:45,290
There are more people I put a
high level of reading than a
1242
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:47,050
high level of maths.
I mean, it's harder to get to a
1243
00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:47,990
high level of maths.
Sure.
1244
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:49,370
Yeah, OK, that's fair enough.
Cool.
1245
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:50,890
Back to my point, because I
remember it now.
1246
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:52,550
So the to get expected in.
Reading.
1247
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,870
Good job.
Stop editing, wasn't it?
1248
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200
We could be straight into this,
sat through me talking now
1249
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:59,860
didn't, and Hayden having a
moment where his eyes honestly
1250
00:49:59,870 --> 00:50:01,880
died inside.
Yeah, yeah.
1251
00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:04,670
So to get expected in reading,
you gotta gotta still, OK.
1252
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:08,110
Generally, Generally across the
years, about half the marks on
1253
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,320
the reading paper gets you
expected right, which is quite
1254
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:11,860
pretty forgiving.
Isn't it?
1255
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:14,490
Yeah.
Pretty much sometimes, but
1256
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,640
whatever, it's around half.
And my point is always when I
1257
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:22,530
talk to it, I was like, I reckon
we could never, ever, ever teach
1258
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:25,420
comprehension in the style of
testing, right?
1259
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:27,280
Sure.
We just teach kids to read and
1260
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:30,710
like books and we will.
It wouldn't really make a
1261
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,110
difference to our our data
because I fundamentally believe
1262
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:36,960
that those papers are forgiving
enough that children that can
1263
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:39,900
just read at age expected level
will get expected anyway.
1264
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:41,010
This is kind of what I'm getting
at.
1265
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:42,360
I agree.
That's what I mean, like when I
1266
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:44,810
say if you're just a really good
reader, yeah, you will just do
1267
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:46,420
well on that test.
Yeah, that's what I think.
1268
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:47,530
I really do.
I really believe that.
1269
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:49,230
And I'd be willing to bet that
obviously it's not the kind of
1270
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,020
bet that some schools will be
like, OK, let's just gamble.
1271
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:54,400
And you were worried about them.
But I really, it's such a low
1272
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:57,940
threshold to get age expected.
It's like yeah OK, all test
1273
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:59,590
technique might have got your
extra 3 Marks and.
1274
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,620
We'll test technique, help
children who can't read properly
1275
00:51:01,630 --> 00:51:03,680
suddenly read.
Properly, no, it's just not get.
1276
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:06,470
It just helps them.
Maybe over the line Maybe.
1277
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,000
It looks good for the score, but
not better.
1278
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:09,560
Readers, do they love reading?
Yeah.
1279
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:11,200
Do they get exposed to lots of
genres?
1280
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:13,500
That's what whole class reading
is fantastic and it's the way to
1281
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:14,980
go.
Yeah, definitely, absolutely.
1282
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:17,940
I'm all for that now.
I'm really, really switched my
1283
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:20,640
mindset away from because you
know, we've done a lot of tests,
1284
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:23,050
style questions.
We look at old papers and you
1285
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:26,050
got right, Mark, the classic 3.
Any teacher listening that will
1286
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:27,340
know this.
Yeah, let's have a look at 3
1287
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:28,780
Mark questions guys and how to
answer them.
1288
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:30,140
You need two points and one
evidence.
1289
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:32,300
There's only ever two that come
up on a paper, Yeah.
1290
00:51:32,310 --> 00:51:34,190
And it's so easy to get one or
two marks.
1291
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,270
Yeah, even without any
understanding of those questions
1292
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,360
about generally.
I completely agree.
1293
00:51:38,370 --> 00:51:41,300
Shift the mindset, enjoy
reading, get better at reading.
1294
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:42,880
That's all that.
I don't have a problem with
1295
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:45,130
people saying it by the way, if
I don't have a problem with
1296
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:47,100
someone saying to their kids
this is how you answer these
1297
00:51:47,110 --> 00:51:50,060
efficiently.
But doing it to death years and
1298
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,040
years and years and years over
and over and lessons all the
1299
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:53,320
time.
Like it's just unnecessary.
1300
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:55,590
Just focus on getting your kids
to like reading books.
1301
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:57,640
That is it.
They will pass the test if they
1302
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:59,400
just like reading and therefore
can read.
1303
00:51:59,470 --> 00:52:02,020
And that is their wider issue
with the tests at all.
1304
00:52:02,090 --> 00:52:05,280
Yeah, Is that it's only because
they exist that we're even
1305
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:06,720
having this.
Discussion, though ironically,
1306
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:09,400
we probably stopped teaching.
Kids, the Sats didn't exist,
1307
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,940
right?
It wouldn't even be a question
1308
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:14,040
as to how we're doing this.
Yeah, but what, You're gonna
1309
00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:15,720
read a book?
Yeah, we're gonna read this
1310
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:17,180
amazing book with these kids and
they're gonna.
1311
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:18,640
Love it.
I would go as far as arguing
1312
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:20,820
that kids would be better
readers on average across the
1313
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:22,680
whole country if we didn't have
Sats.
1314
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:24,980
Yeah, because I think our
natural instinct would be to do
1315
00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:26,860
it right.
But Howard Gillian Keegan in her
1316
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:28,430
election campaign say every 5
minutes.
1317
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,530
We've got the best readers of
the Muslim world.
1318
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:32,410
Yeah, they can pass the test.
We.
1319
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,820
Do we?
Do we have the best readers in
1320
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:36,820
the Western world?
Well, do you know what?
1321
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:39,250
It comes at a horrible price
that kids resent reading.
1322
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:41,070
Yeah, it's a shame Labour
brought in too much testing,
1323
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,520
wasn't it?
Done.
1324
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:42,680
Yeah, they did.
They did, They did.
1325
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:44,370
And we're going to talk about
politics right now.
1326
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:45,330
Actually, we're gonna go into
it.
1327
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:46,790
We've heard quite a long episode
so far.
1328
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,400
But we, we do really want to
talk about selection.
1329
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:49,910
So let's talk about it.
Cool.
1330
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,850
This week, OK, well, if you're
listening, I guess last week it
1331
00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:57,850
was announced that the general
election will be happening on
1332
00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:00,370
the 4th of July.
OK, you're going to get scared.
1333
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:02,270
You scared of you?
Anyone listening to this knows
1334
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,750
that there is a theme running
through our podcast where we're
1335
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,390
not worried about talking about
politics, basing and holding
1336
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,250
people to account.
So I wanted just to start by
1337
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:14,030
saying we will talk politics in
these next few weeks.
1338
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,810
It's just bound.
To Can I start by saying sorry
1339
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:17,230
in advance?
I'm really sorry.
1340
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,030
Dylan is unbelievably passionate
about.
1341
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,910
Politics.
So yeah, I am passionate.
1342
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,650
I am passionate.
However, I wanna just outline a
1343
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:24,790
few things I found a lot
interesting in the last week or
1344
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,370
so and I found myself in a
position that I've never been in
1345
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:31,410
during an election.
So I want to lay it all out
1346
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:32,680
there.
But the point is it's going to
1347
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:34,450
be a general election.
We know it's coming this year.
1348
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,790
No one thought it was going to
be in the 4th of July.
1349
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:43,260
I can hear the Hayden's little I
I thought no like it will be the
1350
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:44,550
end of the year.
Lots of people thought that
1351
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,450
because what I would Rishi Sunak
done sooner.
1352
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:48,490
He's so far behind, but he's
called it yeah.
1353
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,800
It's gonna be in the middle of
the EUR Hmm, middle of the
1354
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:55,190
summer, very random.
And anyway, so I just want to
1355
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,410
start off by saying to people,
we said we were gonna talk about
1356
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:02,700
the election this week.
And straight away I thought to
1357
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:04,650
myself, right, God, I need to
brush up.
1358
00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:06,150
I need to brush up my knowledge
about this.
1359
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,860
I want to get things right.
If I'm going to be sat in the
1360
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:09,950
podcast talking about it,
putting out to people and
1361
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:11,810
clearly saying my views and
opinions.
1362
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:14,610
And, and I know for a fact,
Hayden, you probably thought
1363
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:17,250
I've got, I don't know anything.
About that, I'm way less in
1364
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,590
politics than you.
I really try to avoid it at
1365
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,680
most.
And a lot of people do.
1366
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,620
And a lot of people I spoke to
at school kind of said, what
1367
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:24,000
does that mean?
Then when I said they'll be an
1368
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:27,150
election, I was like, I had to
remember that not everyone's me.
1369
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,510
Like, yeah, I live on Wednesdays
at lunchtime.
1370
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,250
I put Prime Minister's Questions
on like, that's just whether
1371
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:34,190
it's, you know, whether it's,
you know, happening or not,
1372
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,910
That's just what I do, whether
it's an election.
1373
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:39,150
So I know that I am part of the
less than 1% of people who
1374
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,870
really keep out of this kind of
stuff.
1375
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:43,890
But then I thought to myself, I
don't need to brush up.
1376
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,010
No, I don't actually.
And you don't either.
1377
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:47,470
No.
And that's really important
1378
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,250
because this is a general
election.
1379
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:53,630
Everyone gets a vote.
So actually us like swatting up
1380
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640
on stuff beforehand and getting
knowledgeable about ohh, it's
1381
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:57,750
exactly this.
That's not really
1382
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,330
representative, is it?
Because if, if we weren't doing
1383
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:02,690
this podcast, you'd trundle
through your life and then come
1384
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:03,840
July 4th, you'd vote for you
gonna.
1385
00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:05,750
Vote for represent you normal
people out there that will just
1386
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,500
sort of read the odd headline
the other article and then get
1387
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:10,730
overwhelmed by it all and just
wait for Dylan to tell you
1388
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:12,090
what's.
Going on, we have a little chat
1389
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,770
and just just just dive straight
in.
1390
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,530
So I hope people at home, you
know, feel free.
1391
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:18,070
Please Fact Check us.
You know, a lot of it's just
1392
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,010
going to be opinion, a lot of
it, and I'm gonna talk about
1393
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:24,770
that so.
Where do you wanna start?
1394
00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:26,180
I've been making some Instagram
reels.
1395
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:28,830
OK, so straight away, so I'll be
really honest, I'm gonna lay my
1396
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,900
cards on the on the line here
table.
1397
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:36,580
Yeah, wow, that's made-up.
Maybe I'll say I am incredibly
1398
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:42,000
sorry, incredibly excited by the
prospect of the conservatives
1399
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:45,380
not being in power anymore.
Yeah, I am incredibly anti
1400
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:48,730
conservative.
I think the whole idea of what
1401
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:51,180
they stand for and more
importantly what they've
1402
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:56,650
actually done, I'm talking about
a track record now since 2010 is
1403
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,270
dreadful.
And I've seen the decimation of
1404
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,920
education, having worked in it
as well.
1405
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,110
And I've seen the decimation of
funding and I've seen the level
1406
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,710
of standards that we allow our
children to get drop off.
1407
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,510
And the only reason those levels
are where they should be is
1408
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,010
because of the hard work and
determination of people who work
1409
00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:18,130
in school.
So I don't think the government
1410
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:21,000
have done any favours for us
whatsoever, but we've seen
1411
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:22,890
there's only so much we can
actually do about correct
1412
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,080
funding and we've seen the
provision for our most
1413
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:27,360
vulnerable kids drop through the
floor.
1414
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:31,140
We've seen it in front of us.
We've seen that we can't afford
1415
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:33,680
our heating bills anymore
because the energy price cap
1416
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:36,280
came in for households, but it
did not come in for schools
1417
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,600
because it's classes like a
business or a separate thing.
1418
00:56:38,670 --> 00:56:41,020
So schools never got a cap on
their energy prices, they just
1419
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,780
doubled.
Schools are ordering books and
1420
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:45,500
paper for their children to do
stuff in.
1421
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:48,190
That cost is just doubled.
I was talking to the person who
1422
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,520
orders books in our school two
years ago.
1423
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:53,120
It costs ��1500 to get all the
books for the year.
1424
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,030
Now it costs ��2800 to get all
the books of the year.
1425
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,230
No more.
So I said to him, ohh, it's a
1426
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,270
good job at least budgets
doubled sarcastically.
1427
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000
And he went no, no they haven't.
I was like, I know I'm just
1428
00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:05,690
joking, but these are the things
that you don't see and and that
1429
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:09,550
1300 LB extra that we've got to
find now for the books just to
1430
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,410
deliver children.
The curriculum that has to come
1431
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:15,070
from somewhere.
So that's coming from, I don't
1432
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,380
know, maybe a TA we.
Can't.
1433
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:18,490
Either way, we're talking about
exercise books.
1434
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,550
We're not even talking about
like actual reading, but we're
1435
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,650
talking about blank books for
them to write their work in.
1436
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,510
Quick thing about actual work,
by the way.
1437
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:27,270
Had a discussion with the other
day and we were trying to think
1438
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,950
of other ways around buying
books because we literally can't
1439
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,270
afford the reading books.
Yeah, literally can't afford
1440
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,500
them.
Like we do not have the budget.
1441
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:36,130
We're gonna have to think of
another way to show kids books.
1442
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,720
So that was like brilliant.
The the big thing that I wanted
1443
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:41,370
to talk about here is, and I
want people to understand this,
1444
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:44,330
like whatever you want to vote
for, whoever you, whoever you,
1445
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:46,550
there are a lot of people sat
there going ohh, but I don't
1446
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,530
like Labour.
I don't I like Labour probably
1447
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:51,820
the least I've ever liked Labour
right now in terms of they're
1448
00:57:51,830 --> 00:57:53,860
not exciting to me.
They seem very close to the
1449
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:56,380
Conservatives and a lot of stuff
in terms of we'll see, Yeah.
1450
00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:58,650
And I really want them over the
next few weeks to come out with
1451
00:57:58,660 --> 00:58:00,380
some stuff I've seen when I
lower the voting age.
1452
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:01,800
And that's brilliant.
To me.
1453
00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:04,180
That's very anti establishment.
Yeah, I like that because I
1454
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:06,620
don't think many people in
places of power would actually
1455
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:08,940
be thinking that's a good idea,
because it would, it tends to be
1456
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:10,560
against.
Traditionally, younger people
1457
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:12,300
vote Labour.
And people vote, so of course it
1458
00:58:12,310 --> 00:58:13,770
makes sense for Labour want to
do that.
1459
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:15,700
Yeah.
So I quite like that.
1460
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:17,120
But you know what?
Ignore that for a second,
1461
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:20,540
because what winds me up, and I
want people to do more of
1462
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:24,080
instead is judge on what's
happened.
1463
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:26,940
The people who have been in
charge 14 years.
1464
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:29,480
Rather than imagine what other
people might have done in
1465
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:31,200
charge.
Yeah, and, and I can't deal
1466
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:35,080
anymore with anything going
wrong and someone saying, yeah,
1467
00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:37,700
because Gordon Brown sold the
bloody gold for peanuts.
1468
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:40,600
No, it's not though, is it?
It's not because of something
1469
00:58:40,610 --> 00:58:41,860
happened in 2008.
Really.
1470
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:44,030
At this point, austerity was a
choice.
1471
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,300
And he might argue it was a good
choice.
1472
00:58:45,310 --> 00:58:47,540
We had to do it because of the
global situation.
1473
00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:48,880
Fine.
But it was still a choice.
1474
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:50,860
The the level we went to for the
cards.
1475
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:53,810
And.
And, yeah, when someone says
1476
00:58:54,070 --> 00:58:55,440
they're all the same, aren't
they?
1477
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:58,150
They're not, they're not all the
same.
1478
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,710
Now that's the point.
And do you know what?
1479
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,640
If they are all the same?
Right.
1480
00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:03,370
Let's try the other ones for a
bit then.
1481
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,710
Yeah, let's just see, shall we?
So, you know if Tory and Labour
1482
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,870
are the same, which they're not.
But if they were.
1483
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,640
OK, cool.
Well, have the the one, the one
1484
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:13,050
thing that I've had power 14
years.
1485
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:14,070
Have you liked what they've
done?
1486
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,780
Do you feel better off because
of what they've done?
1487
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:16,980
No.
OK, well, I'll try the other
1488
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:19,650
thing that you're saying.
It might not be, but it is the
1489
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:20,770
same.
What's grounded?
1490
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:23,750
Imposing, isn't it?
It's like, oh, they're all the
1491
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,550
same.
They mean the same.
1492
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,550
Yeah, they're not really.
They are.
1493
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,140
They never actually used in the
same, actually completely
1494
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:29,980
different and never use the same
ever.
1495
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:31,820
So I don't think Labour and Tory
are synonyms.
1496
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:34,160
So.
Funny, all the same, they are.
1497
00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:37,040
All the same, in that they both
mean politicians.
1498
00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:41,640
Ohh need joking your brain like.
I'm worried like what my
1499
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:43,100
argument?
If you're wrong actually.
1500
00:59:43,110 --> 00:59:47,440
It's OK to what I think, Yeah.
And the thing that honestly gets
1501
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:49,600
me wound up the most, I've been
making quite a few reels about
1502
00:59:49,610 --> 00:59:52,560
politics and it's hilarious
because some hit the algorithm
1503
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:54,450
and they just go to people.
They've got nothing to do with
1504
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:57,300
teaching obviously causing
politics post and the amount of
1505
00:59:57,310 --> 01:00:01,250
people seen who go all the same.
You should just fight reform.
1506
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,050
I'm like ohh that that's the
thing you shouldn't do what
1507
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:07,450
makes.
What on earth makes you think
1508
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,030
that reform are better than them
too?
1509
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,210
Why do you not automatically
think reform are the same?
1510
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:14,740
Like because they sound like
they want to reform.
1511
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:16,730
It's in the name.
It's like it's just run by a
1512
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:17,770
millionaire who.
Backed rolls.
1513
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:19,230
You realise it's a bunch of ex
bankers?
1514
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,290
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, like this is the
1515
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:23,550
establishment you're saying?
You are fight against on social
1516
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,320
media reform.
It's I don't know about anyone
1517
01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:26,730
that just on like TikTok,
Instagram.
1518
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:29,010
Reels on one of the things that
makes about 15 over the.
1519
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,960
Cheers all round about all the
comments.
1520
01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:35,510
Are anything politically like
I'm voting reform, reform.
1521
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,710
It is just a flood of it.
But you know what was exactly
1522
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,160
the same?
It was the same with UKIP.
1523
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:40,780
Remember everyone, everyone
vote.
1524
01:00:40,790 --> 01:00:42,530
UKIP was unbelievably loud about
it.
1525
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:45,710
Yeah, ohh, vote UKIP, right.
You only about Ukip's like OK,
1526
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,350
I'll just ignore it now, the
reformers or whatever.
1527
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,990
And it's like, OK, you can talk
about conspiracies and if you
1528
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,530
think people putting, I think
corporations absolutely are
1529
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:54,990
putting their fingers in all the
pies and influencing people.
1530
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,760
And when business come out and
say they're supporting Labour
1531
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:59,510
now, it's actually a bit of a
red flag.
1532
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:01,210
Me, I don't think that's an
amazing thing.
1533
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:02,840
You can see why the
establishment might think it's a
1534
01:01:02,850 --> 01:01:04,530
good thing or the papers or
whatever.
1535
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:07,020
But when like, you know, if
Walmart, you know, they're
1536
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:09,410
American, like come out and sell
Tesco, come and say, yeah, we're
1537
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:12,010
backing Labour.
I'm like, ohh, yeah, that's
1538
01:01:12,020 --> 01:01:14,240
weird because for me, Labour
stands for the working rights of
1539
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:14,830
the people.
Yeah.
1540
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,870
And I don't feel like you would
care much about that at all.
1541
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:20,410
So like, whilst people might be
like, ohh, that's cool.
1542
01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:22,810
Personally, that's not that's
making me.
1543
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:24,890
Less it just gives you an idea
that maybe Labour have more
1544
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:27,390
centric than they are.
They're right in the centre,
1545
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,330
they're right in the centre and
there's a place for centric
1546
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:31,110
policy.
And someone made a comment and
1547
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,160
it was really good point.
I was like, there there is a
1548
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:34,640
place for being in the centre,
right?
1549
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,260
Yeah.
And if you get stuff done and,
1550
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:39,260
and it comes boils down to this
for me, cause a lot of people
1551
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:41,220
are very anti care Starmer
saying, well, they promised to
1552
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:42,890
scrap tuition fees when he
became leader.
1553
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:44,520
He promised to do this.
He promised to do that.
1554
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:48,470
I was like, OK, that's a fine
grievance because you might have
1555
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,310
backed him thinking he wants to
stand for this stuff.
1556
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,220
And now he's not.
That's fair grievance.
1557
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:55,900
But what I would say to someone
who's saying that is to become
1558
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:59,700
to be in power, he had to become
the leader of the Labour Party.
1559
01:01:59,810 --> 01:02:01,920
And the way that works is you
need to be voted in by its
1560
01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:05,540
supporters who found at the
mouth of Jeremy Corbyn, who's
1561
01:02:05,550 --> 01:02:08,090
extremely left wing.
And they were thinking of
1562
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,760
reforming how they even choose
it because the base is so left
1563
01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:13,610
wing and the Labour Party that
unless you have those left wing
1564
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:15,290
policies, you'll never get
chosen as leader.
1565
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:16,340
Yeah.
So we have to do that.
1566
01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:18,390
That's this is what like someone
who's just maybe being a bit
1567
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,700
more straightforward might say.
And then when he became Labour
1568
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:24,290
leader, if he ran on the same
principles as Jeremy Corbyn,
1569
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,070
he'd get absolutely rinsed.
Them would never come anywhere.
1570
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,390
You had to do something.
Different, yeah.
1571
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,710
So to me, the number one thing
you have to do is get in power
1572
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:32,850
and then you can start judging
people on a different kind of
1573
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:35,000
note and the same way I've just
said you should judge the Tories
1574
01:02:35,010 --> 01:02:36,410
and what they've done.
Yeah, OK, cool.
1575
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:39,110
Well, we might hold our noses
and vote for Labour.
1576
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,880
A lot of people, because we just
can't stand with the Tories,
1577
01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:43,550
have done.
But then what we have to do from
1578
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,990
day one, if Keir Starmer gets in
is be on his back.
1579
01:02:46,310 --> 01:02:47,390
It's OK.
What you gonna do then?
1580
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:50,780
We're gonna keep accountable.
And I really don't want to give
1581
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:53,340
him a free pass.
Like a lot of people will like
1582
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:56,020
what people do for the Tories.
Now, I would hate if I became
1583
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:57,840
that for Labour.
And just like something that was
1584
01:02:57,850 --> 01:03:01,860
clearly wrong, they just went,
oh, that's alright, Labour.
1585
01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:03,150
So I'll just I'll.
Agree.
1586
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,450
I agree.
It's a weird system, isn't it?
1587
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:05,040
Very, very.
Weird.
1588
01:03:05,050 --> 01:03:07,710
What's your core instincts now?
As someone who's not involved in
1589
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,610
politics, I'm very interested.
But right now, what are you
1590
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:10,620
thinking?
What are your thoughts?
1591
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:13,710
On my core instinct is is is a
is a is a broken system anyway.
1592
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,270
It's two party system.
Literally nothing matters unless
1593
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,910
you vote Tory or Labour.
Genuinely.
1594
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,990
Like I get you argue the seats
and all that but honestly it
1595
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,130
really doesn't matter if you
only care really about who's
1596
01:03:23,140 --> 01:03:25,700
actually in charge.
The only thing you can do at
1597
01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:27,170
this point if you don't Tories
in is vote Labour.
1598
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:28,890
That's the way I see it.
Which I don't like.
1599
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:30,510
I don't like that.
That's the thing.
1600
01:03:30,990 --> 01:03:33,350
Vote tactically or vote
tactically?
1601
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,010
What do you mean by that?
Because to me that is just
1602
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:35,650
voting Labour.
Yes.
1603
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:38,980
So the way the system works
again is there are 650 seats
1604
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:39,850
across the country.
Yeah.
1605
01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:42,860
Countries get into 650.
To have a government, you need
1606
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:47,170
more than half because then when
someone suggests a law, you know
1607
01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:48,750
you've got over half.
So it will go through.
1608
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,100
That's how government works,
basically.
1609
01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:52,320
You just need.
So we could technically work on
1610
01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:53,760
our government where no one has
more than half.
1611
01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:55,050
That's what coalitions are for.
Yeah.
1612
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:57,050
They basically say we'll work
together and we'll all vote.
1613
01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:57,890
Yes.
Yeah.
1614
01:03:57,900 --> 01:03:59,240
So we get past halfway.
Yeah.
1615
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:00,570
Yeah.
Or you might work for minority
1616
01:04:00,580 --> 01:04:02,350
government.
I think Theresa May for a bit
1617
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,710
had one where she had like she
was like 8 seats less than half.
1618
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,510
So that's why she had to deal
with the DUP.
1619
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Right, Irish people make up
some.
1620
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:10,990
Who said, OK, well, we're not,
we're not necessarily a
1621
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,280
coalition, but we've got a deal.
You'll vote through our
1622
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:14,740
policies.
We'll give you 1 1/2 billion
1623
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:15,840
pounds.
That's what happened.
1624
01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:17,230
Yeah.
So they, you know, there's deals
1625
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,470
to be made.
Voting tactically is simply
1626
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,950
saying every single individual
scene, you look at the general
1627
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,310
vibe of the population and you
vote for whoever is the best
1628
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,310
party in terms of number of
votes that isn't Conservative.
1629
01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:32,920
Yeah, so, and this is what I
would do.
1630
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:34,730
Sure.
So I'm, I'm so I'm much more
1631
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,160
anti Conservative than pro
Labour.
1632
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,590
But in my constituency where we
live, the 2nd place was Labour.
1633
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,690
So I'm voting for Labour.
Yeah, so and, and, and the point
1634
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:46,310
of voting tactically would be if
you really support the Lib Dems
1635
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,710
or the Greens or even reform,
whatever, whoever it is, if you
1636
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,690
are more anti Tory than you are
pro any kind of Labour or any
1637
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:57,190
other one, you would say, OK,
well I want them to not be a
1638
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,340
Conservative MP.
So I'm going to give my vote to
1639
01:04:59,350 --> 01:05:00,230
Labour this time.
Yeah.
1640
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,590
So the ones that are gonna get
most likely to get it so.
1641
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,660
In my constituency, if someone
said they're gonna vote leave
1642
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:07,370
them or Green, I would say to
them, would you consider holding
1643
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,820
your nose and voting Labour?
Otherwise, Conservatives will
1644
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:12,520
get in because we need to get
past the Conservative.
1645
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:13,960
But yeah, what stupid system.
Right.
1646
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:15,970
It's completely broken and I
completely agree and a lot of
1647
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:17,760
people and that's not right and
I'm like it's not right.
1648
01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:20,010
But is the system we have.
So actually we gotta use it for
1649
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:21,100
now.
Yeah, all you need to do is
1650
01:05:21,110 --> 01:05:24,310
Google tactical vote or vote
tactically and there's literally
1651
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,950
websites where you can put a
postcode in.
1652
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:29,420
It'll show you a breakdown and
who you should vote for if you
1653
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:31,300
want to vote.
Tactically, yeah, absolutely.
1654
01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:33,080
Mental to me, absolutely.
Someone not in the world.
1655
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:35,620
I just think I just don't know
what to think about.
1656
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:37,320
It is crazy.
But yeah, I, I mean, I will be
1657
01:05:37,330 --> 01:05:39,400
like, I will be voting Labour
for that exact reason and I
1658
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:41,220
probably would vote Labour.
Anyway, if you were somewhere
1659
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:44,000
where Labour were literally
pulling it like 5% and and Lib
1660
01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:47,170
Dems were 30 and Conservatives
were 40, would you still vote
1661
01:05:47,180 --> 01:05:48,960
Labour?
I know I did the tactical thing
1662
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:51,540
hundred percent, 100% because
like you, I'm, I'm more anti
1663
01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:53,240
Tory than anything else.
I just want them out of power.
1664
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:55,110
I don't really, I don't, I don't
care who comes in next.
1665
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,960
I just want to be Tories again.
I, I think, I don't think
1666
01:05:57,970 --> 01:05:59,530
there's much they could have
done to make it worse.
1667
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:01,460
And a lot of people always say
that like, oh, I'll be worse if
1668
01:06:01,470 --> 01:06:03,180
Labour.
I'm like, would it would be
1669
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:05,640
quite hard, genuinely.
You're not even disagreeing that
1670
01:06:05,650 --> 01:06:07,200
it could be.
Yeah, I'm not those people.
1671
01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:09,130
That's like, ohh, no it couldn't
possibly because Labour are
1672
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:09,840
great.
Like the idea.
1673
01:06:09,850 --> 01:06:12,440
So no, the idea.
I actually don't really care if
1674
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:15,360
Labour and and Conservatives
switched all of their policies,
1675
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:17,640
I'd then be voting Conservative.
I'm not against the word
1676
01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:20,320
conservatives, I just don't like
what they've represented
1677
01:06:20,330 --> 01:06:22,080
generally and what they've done
to the country.
1678
01:06:22,090 --> 01:06:24,200
I think it has diminished in
lots and lots of ways when it
1679
01:06:24,210 --> 01:06:26,030
didn't need to.
Some things are out of our
1680
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,800
control.
That's fine.
1681
01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:29,260
I'll never blame the Tories in
the same way I won't blame
1682
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:31,470
Labour for the global market
crash and things like that.
1683
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,150
It's like, but there are other
things where it has just
1684
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,440
diminished that they have just
literally chosen they, they did
1685
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:38,280
it did take a footballer to
convince them to give kids food.
1686
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:39,380
Yeah.
And it's like stuff like I'm
1687
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:41,240
like, but that's, that's one
example is like that happens
1688
01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:42,630
every year.
There's a massive thing like
1689
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,480
that where they just don't wanna
do help anyone.
1690
01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:47,660
But they'll line the pockets of
their mates visibly and
1691
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:50,100
obviously and have a WhatsApp
group where they laugh about it
1692
01:06:50,110 --> 01:06:52,800
and get away with it and have a
party during COVID and nothing
1693
01:06:52,810 --> 01:06:54,860
ever comes of any of it.
And I'm sick of that.
1694
01:06:54,930 --> 01:06:56,520
So I, I just want to give
someone else a chance.
1695
01:06:56,530 --> 01:06:59,500
I always don't really care.
Do you know what if Reform UK
1696
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,440
were the highest voted thing in
our in our thing, they were 45%
1697
01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:06,590
and and the and the service on
46 that said I don't know, but I
1698
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,230
would though.
I would just I'd be like, yeah,
1699
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,770
OK, it knocks off another
Conservatives.
1700
01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:12,760
Is that not a tactical?
I'd rather have a Conservative
1701
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:14,790
government than a reformed
government, so therefore I
1702
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,310
wouldn't.
Deal.
1703
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:16,810
OK, Fair enough.
Yeah, absolutely.
1704
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:18,770
If the choice was between before
on Conservative, yeah,
1705
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,250
absolutely.
Rather have a Conservative
1706
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:22,800
government because Reform are
just the fringes of the Tories
1707
01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,180
who are left because they're
annoyed going eating their full
1708
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:26,890
English going.
How long till the full English
1709
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:29,020
is called racist?
That's the kind of people who
1710
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:30,410
are going to.
Reform fair enough is where I
1711
01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:32,220
don't know stuff.
Knowing that would obviously
1712
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:34,710
impact my.
Reform have some policies like
1713
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,780
they want low tax, they want
written constitution, yeah,
1714
01:07:37,790 --> 01:07:40,420
there's there's there's things
that they can say which which
1715
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:42,410
sound good.
Yeah, I'm not again, it would be
1716
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:45,200
stupid to say that everything
about them ever is awful because
1717
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:48,060
if they came out and said yeah,
we want to recruit more teachers
1718
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:50,320
and Labour have said they want
to recruit more teachers, it's
1719
01:07:50,330 --> 01:07:52,100
not now bad because Reform said
it.
1720
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,140
Yeah, but as a whole, Reform
being bankrolled by Richard
1721
01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:57,660
Tyson and his own personal
wealth and having people like
1722
01:07:57,670 --> 01:08:00,990
Lee Anderson joined them, who's
just an idiot, like, OK, that's
1723
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,520
OK, That's the vibe.
Then I.
1724
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,900
Don't want them in charge.
I think maybe terrible old
1725
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:08,270
Nigel.
He's normally loud around this
1726
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,800
time.
Lost every single election he's
1727
01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:11,600
ever been involved in, never
become an MP.
1728
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:14,500
He has come out and said that he
won't be running because he
1729
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:17,450
because John White, because he's
focusing on the US election,
1730
01:08:17,729 --> 01:08:21,370
which by the way is later on in
the year complete Trump's Mr
1731
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:23,000
Trump.
But you know, he cares so much
1732
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:25,399
about Britain.
Cares so much about Britain.
1733
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:27,270
Yeah, he couldn't possibly
involved in general election
1734
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,630
though, because there's not
American beneficial.
1735
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:30,830
The reason is because you
wouldn't.
1736
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,520
Win.
Yeah, he's a celebrity and he
1737
01:08:32,529 --> 01:08:34,160
got out of it.
Yeah, so fair enough.
1738
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,310
Been popping up on my feed
recently.
1739
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:38,420
Jeremy Corbyn?
Really.
1740
01:08:38,430 --> 01:08:41,080
Have you seen his standing
independently in Islington?
1741
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:42,939
Yeah, he'll probably win.
Yeah, he's been around for so
1742
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:46,460
long and that yeah, that whole
idea of I imagine in his, in his
1743
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:49,649
seat, he is very well known and
and I think I, I get the
1744
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:51,290
impression he's a really good
local MP.
1745
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:53,020
Can you explain to me?
I actually don't understand this
1746
01:08:53,029 --> 01:08:55,430
and you probably will.
So a lot of people were saying,
1747
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,729
ohh yeah, Jeremy Corbyn for PM,
but he couldn't possibly, he
1748
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:00,880
couldn't possibly be taking
votes to be the Prime Minister.
1749
01:09:00,890 --> 01:09:03,680
He's only trying to get a.
Seat in his area, right?
1750
01:09:03,689 --> 01:09:05,540
So, So no one votes for a Prime
Minister.
1751
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,819
So no, no one ever actually,
because the Prime Minister,
1752
01:09:08,830 --> 01:09:10,620
right.
And they sure, that's why that's
1753
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:14,899
why you know when Liz Truss took
over Boris Johnson and when
1754
01:09:14,910 --> 01:09:18,720
Rishi Sunak overtook Liz Truss
of technically there was nothing
1755
01:09:18,729 --> 01:09:20,979
wrong with that because people
voted for their local MP.
1756
01:09:21,069 --> 01:09:22,430
That's cool.
So you know when we.
1757
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,160
Vote how it works.
But so many people in the
1758
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:26,010
comments were like, yeah, we're
voting for the Prime Minister.
1759
01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:27,560
I was thinking, I don't think
that's how.
1760
01:09:27,569 --> 01:09:29,000
I'm pretty sure that's not how
it works.
1761
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:30,529
So he's just trying to be voted
in.
1762
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:33,180
That and as an independent, he
has literally zero chance of
1763
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:35,370
becoming Prime Minister because
even if he got voted in all that
1764
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:37,569
was happening in the
backbenches, yeah, he'd have one
1765
01:09:37,580 --> 01:09:40,069
vote every time.
Yeah, but you know he wouldn't
1766
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,069
be at all in a.
Party to remember there, though.
1767
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,430
I like that different there.
Well, this is the thing about
1768
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,370
Corbyn.
I've really like shifted off
1769
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:49,370
him.
But I think that's because it's
1770
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:54,270
always the context of like,
yeah, he he, he does.
1771
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,690
He's really, really, really,
really left.
1772
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:57,770
I want to talk to you about
this.
1773
01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:59,050
He's really, really, really
left.
1774
01:09:59,060 --> 01:10:01,390
And that pushes a lot of people
out because he's very, very high
1775
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,810
tax, very, very much, you know,
is seen as, you know, an
1776
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,220
extremist sympathiser.
We can talk about whether
1777
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:11,550
specialist, yeah, we can talk
about how true those accusations
1778
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,940
are or not anti-Semitic because
everything happened in the
1779
01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:15,010
Labour Party and stuff like
that.
1780
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:17,940
But yeah, again, we can talk
about whether that's true,
1781
01:10:17,950 --> 01:10:19,830
whether that's false, whatever,
whatever.
1782
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,840
It's like a conversation that is
honestly not even relevant
1783
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,670
anymore because we're living in
a different time.
1784
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,810
But the thing that I find
interesting is how influential
1785
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:31,690
people on the extremes can be
when it comes to running a
1786
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:34,850
party.
So let's take the Labour, the
1787
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:39,440
Conservative for example, right
now, she soon hack is very much
1788
01:10:39,450 --> 01:10:42,680
beholden to the extreme right
wing of the Conservative Party.
1789
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:45,640
So that's why we've got policies
like the Rwanda bill.
1790
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:49,260
Yeah, that's why he's trying to
really crack down on student
1791
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:52,360
immigration to come.
And in our universities, which I
1792
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:55,100
don't think anyone who's
moderate thinks is bad, but he's
1793
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:57,360
like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm going
to clamp down on that because it
1794
01:10:57,370 --> 01:10:59,190
makes the right wing of his
party happy.
1795
01:10:59,250 --> 01:11:00,970
They'll keep supporting him and
things like that.
1796
01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,100
And the point is in the current
system we have, let's say Labour
1797
01:11:04,150 --> 01:11:06,560
get a majority of on it, like
20.
1798
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:10,390
Let's just say they get 20, more
than half it within that 20,
1799
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:14,930
let's say there's 30 or 40 of
them out of 380 MP's who are
1800
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:17,730
extremely left wing and the
Labour Party, they then have the
1801
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,850
power to veto any law.
So these small minorities
1802
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:23,710
extremes have huge power in
these parties because let's say
1803
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,810
here Slama wants to bring
something very centrist in the
1804
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:28,670
left, the left, right.
No, no, no, no, no.
1805
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,550
We can't lower tax for rich
people for whatever reason.
1806
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,110
They have the power to vote no,
and it won't get through as law,
1807
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:38,110
even though it's only about 40
people, because that, that, that
1808
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,860
number of votes takes you past
halfway.
1809
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:41,570
Hmm.
And that's what's happened with
1810
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:42,980
the Tories a lot in the last few
years.
1811
01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:44,460
Yeah.
Which is the right wing I've got
1812
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:46,370
No, no, not voting for that.
And then they can't get law
1813
01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:47,640
through.
That's why Theresa May stopped
1814
01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:48,780
being.
Prime in their own party.
1815
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:50,580
It's like, yeah, because.
Theresa May could get Brexit
1816
01:11:50,590 --> 01:11:52,570
done because there was nothing
could get through Parliament
1817
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,570
because the extreme right wing
were like, no, it's not right,
1818
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:56,290
we're not leaving.
But you, you want us to stay in
1819
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:58,160
the customs union?
You want us to stay linked with
1820
01:11:58,170 --> 01:12:00,450
Europe not having it.
And their own party were
1821
01:12:00,460 --> 01:12:03,360
blocking them.
So my point here is we could end
1822
01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:06,400
up seeing if Labour get a
smaller majority.
1823
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:08,860
Yeah, we could end up seeing
these small pockets of Labour
1824
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:11,050
having a lot of influence and a
lot of people won't like that.
1825
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,520
Really interesting.
A lot of people voted Labour
1826
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,600
will be ohh, don't know about
that.
1827
01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:20,330
Get Jesser back, you're gonna do
yourself up for a lot of haters.
1828
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,600
No, I think I'm because I'm not
really that into politics.
1829
01:12:23,610 --> 01:12:25,800
I just they're all like.
Everyone gets broadband that
1830
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:27,480
sounds good.
Yeah, do you know what even
1831
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:30,300
that's all I resonate with
Jeremy Corbyn is.
1832
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:32,090
I just think he's a nice human
being.
1833
01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:37,180
And in my experience of politics
in my whole life, I don't think
1834
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:39,220
any other politician is a nice
human being.
1835
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:41,080
I'm not even not even joking.
I'm not even exaggerating.
1836
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:45,000
I I genuinely don't think that
is in single other politician at
1837
01:12:45,010 --> 01:12:48,320
the top is a nice person.
I think they're all horrible,
1838
01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:50,220
horrible people.
Whereas I think Jeremy Corbyn,
1839
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:53,060
yeah, was an actual nice human
being and I don't think it was
1840
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:55,180
even fake.
I think he genuinely cares about
1841
01:12:55,190 --> 01:12:56,490
people.
So a couple of things gonna come
1842
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,780
back on very quickly is he's got
a lot of anti-Semitic people
1843
01:12:59,790 --> 01:13:01,760
saying he's anti-Semitic.
So I would be very careful
1844
01:13:01,770 --> 01:13:03,750
saying.
That to me, that's just being
1845
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,440
completely, completely derailed
and debunked and and very much.
1846
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:07,720
Proven to be.
That's fine.
1847
01:13:07,730 --> 01:13:10,040
The the cause of like big money
and conservative.
1848
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:12,360
Partners I don't know because
it's just there's a lot from
1849
01:13:12,370 --> 01:13:13,500
inside.
The Labour Party said he was
1850
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:16,260
anti-Semitic as well.
It just, it's just nonsense to
1851
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:18,120
me.
Cares about everyone in the
1852
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:20,430
world, is in his whole life
talking about literally everyone
1853
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,130
and every action he's ever done
proves that he loves and cares
1854
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:26,080
about every single human being
except except Jews.
1855
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:27,720
Jewish people.
But he also didn't condemn
1856
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:28,250
Hamas.
Who?
1857
01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:31,280
You just didn't.
He hasn't condemn them, but in
1858
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:32,880
this whole Israel.
Have you seen the entire
1859
01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:34,440
government also not doing that
now?
1860
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:36,920
No, they've condemned Hamas.
I took my while I didn't.
1861
01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:39,110
Read about they hate hammer.
You mean the Israel government?
1862
01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:41,110
No, our government, they were
very much throw up ages.
1863
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,660
They weren't taking.
They weren't taking sides.
1864
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,210
Right, They took Israel side
immediately.
1865
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:45,380
That was the whole.
Point, right.
1866
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:47,660
OK, Yeah, everyone took it did,
yeah.
1867
01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:48,660
That's right.
Yeah.
1868
01:13:48,670 --> 01:13:51,750
But I'm just saying like, not
condemning Hamas is insane.
1869
01:13:51,810 --> 01:13:53,620
Yeah.
There are terrorist organisation
1870
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:56,540
who attacked and invaded another
country and took hostages and
1871
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:59,390
killed hundreds of people.
So as soon as someone doesn't
1872
01:13:59,650 --> 01:14:03,070
condemn Hamas, yeah, I am like,
that's really weird and it does
1873
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,380
stink of antisemitism.
Does it?
1874
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:06,400
Does it ring through the same
other other way round though?
1875
01:14:06,410 --> 01:14:08,770
When it was like it took them
months to not condemn Israel for
1876
01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:10,970
literally like decimating
suggestions.
1877
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:12,900
I think there's there was a bit
of a grace period where it was
1878
01:14:12,910 --> 01:14:14,550
like, you gonna retaliate.
Yeah.
1879
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:15,860
Yeah.
But when they're consistently
1880
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,270
bombing innocent children in
Palestine, I think Israel are
1881
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,520
disgusting as well.
Yeah.
1882
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:24,700
So all I'm saying here is it's
fine for us to say that's how
1883
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:27,540
could you not condemn Israel for
literally killing millions of
1884
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:28,940
innocent people?
That's crazy.
1885
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:30,710
Why are they still doing this
and coming off the water and
1886
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,850
doing war crimes?
Yeah.
1887
01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:35,660
OK, but also we can't then
ignore people who don't condemn
1888
01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:38,000
Hamas.
No, but it's the same thing in
1889
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:41,810
terms of but the problem is
because Jeremy Corbyn was then
1890
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,080
derailed.
He lost his whole career and
1891
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:44,740
he's anti-Semitic for not doing
that.
1892
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:46,970
The the current government for
literally doing the same thing
1893
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:49,090
and not condemning Israel for
months after they killed
1894
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:51,490
millions, but they took thousand
children.
1895
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:53,980
It's ohh, no, they're they're
not all they're not racist.
1896
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:54,790
They're.
Not racist, no.
1897
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,860
No, but I'm saying they are.
Yeah, I know.
1898
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:58,870
A lot of people are saying that.
My point is it was very active,
1899
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,390
very differently.
We'd happily talk about
1900
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,970
government now, but this is
right.
1901
01:15:01,980 --> 01:15:05,120
Areas like Jeremy, Ohh, no,
those anti-Semitic things like
1902
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:07,760
yeah, it's no different to.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is I'm
1903
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:08,910
not.
I'm not stood here.
1904
01:15:08,980 --> 01:15:11,520
You're stood here and you'd
really like Jeremy Corbyn on
1905
01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:13,700
those eyes and I really like
she's doing that or I really
1906
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:14,660
like.
No, I know.
1907
01:15:14,670 --> 01:15:15,940
Yeah.
Like so that is the difference.
1908
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:18,890
But my point is you could you
were you were in anyway that was
1909
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:20,140
a bit dangerous to say, like
Jeremy I.
1910
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:21,330
Think it's also dangerous to say
like.
1911
01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:23,610
Yeah, but it is OK, that's
completely fine.
1912
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:25,900
And our society like you
wouldn't get people could come
1913
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:28,840
at me now and be like you're
anti-Semitic now because you
1914
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:30,890
like Jeremy Corbyn.
But yeah, if if I said I'd like
1915
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:32,650
to wish you soon out and people
would come up to me and say,
1916
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,270
ohh, you hate Palestinians.
Yeah, I think it's just, it's
1917
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,380
just I think a lot of people.
Would entail maybe?
1918
01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:39,540
But yeah, you're But we got
right wing press.
1919
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:43,210
Yeah, you got the establishment
who are considerably right wing.
1920
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,220
And that's what I don't get when
people say like everything's
1921
01:15:45,230 --> 01:15:47,630
left wing.
So yeah, what is it is.
1922
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,630
It I, I don't, yeah, I'm, I'm
too down a hole now.
1923
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,270
Jeremy Corbyn.
There's so many logical reasons
1924
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,540
for that.
Just just so.
1925
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:56,770
Obviously he wasn't honest.
I, I don't know enough.
1926
01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:58,030
I'm not gonna sit here and say
it wasn't.
1927
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,330
Because it's so obvious, it's
just mental to me.
1928
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:01,860
It's.
OK, because.
1929
01:16:01,870 --> 01:16:03,670
He didn't like it.
I don't like what they're doing
1930
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,390
right now.
He just also didn't like them.
1931
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,690
What they doing literally the
same thing years ago I.
1932
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:09,030
Agree.
And I think anyone being called
1933
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,750
anti-Semitic for that, I I think
that's crazy.
1934
01:16:10,830 --> 01:16:13,900
That's something being against
the state actions and against a
1935
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:16,540
race of people.
Yeah, but I think not condemning
1936
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:18,520
Hamas is anti-Semitic.
Yeah.
1937
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,360
Do you think so?
Yeah.
1938
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:21,300
Anti-Semitic.
Yeah, I mean, unreal, they asked
1939
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:23,980
quite clearly.
A terrorist organisation going
1940
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:25,720
after Jewish people.
And where they then as well, I
1941
01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:27,640
don't know.
Yeah, Hamas 100%.
1942
01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:31,320
Yeah, Hamas by definition there
are terrorist group backed by
1943
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:35,810
other Middle Eastern countries.
And this is not me saying people
1944
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:38,520
who live in Palestine are all
anti-Semitic, this is me saying
1945
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:40,950
an organisation which is a
terrorist organisation which are
1946
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,720
act on October the 7th Israel
because well, they want their
1947
01:16:44,730 --> 01:16:45,800
land back as well.
I get that.
1948
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:49,640
But that that is they are
anti-Semitic, They are anti
1949
01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:51,700
Jewish people.
Yeah, whatever you can justify
1950
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:53,390
as much as you want to say, well
they took their land as a
1951
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:55,160
whatever.
They are anti-Semitic though.
1952
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:56,420
Yeah, sure.
Completely.
1953
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:59,920
Netanyahu is Islamophobic, who's
the leader of Israel?
1954
01:16:59,930 --> 01:17:03,140
He is, that's it.
That's Islamophobia hate, that's
1955
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:05,320
anti-Semitic.
That is absolutely true.
1956
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:09,020
So not condemning Hamas to me is
completely insane.
1957
01:17:09,070 --> 01:17:11,730
And if anyone tries to defend
him and say that what they're
1958
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:14,100
doing is accept I would just be
like it's not though.
1959
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,130
And I know it's a like massively
grey area, the whole peace talks
1960
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:21,350
and stuff, but not condemning a
terrorist organisation for
1961
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:23,990
crossing the border and
literally murdering innocent
1962
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:24,870
people?
Yeah.
1963
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,060
Is insane when you're then
saying, well that's what they're
1964
01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:28,490
doing to Palestine, they're
medicine.
1965
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:29,990
Yeah, that's awful.
Both awful.
1966
01:17:30,050 --> 01:17:30,720
Yeah.
Yeah.
1967
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:32,420
That's what, that's my opinion
on that.
1968
01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:33,990
But you know, we're going down a
rabbit hole here.
1969
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,190
Macro politics, these nice light
hearted teacher podcast.
1970
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,590
I know, Jesus, I actually kind
of forgot we're recording a
1971
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,240
podcast and I'm just anyway,
this is the most genuine chat
1972
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:44,890
I've ever had.
You know more than I do actually
1973
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:47,340
quite interesting.
I do genuinely no, but you do
1974
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:48,660
the expert.
Cause I don't, I don't expect
1975
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:50,480
you expect, but you know more
than me about some of that
1976
01:17:50,490 --> 01:17:52,390
stuff.
Like I, I don't, I didn't know
1977
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,850
that, you know, I mean, I didn't
really know that he had actively
1978
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:59,090
hadn't condemned Hamas.
So what he does really well,
1979
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,790
yeah, is he'll be like, he'll
say, someone say to him, do you
1980
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:02,860
condemn Hamas?
Yeah.
1981
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:05,160
And he'll do the He'll turn into
that classic politician that you
1982
01:18:05,170 --> 01:18:06,190
hate.
The question.
1983
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,650
Of course I don't like it
killing innocent people.
1984
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:10,830
Yeah, so don't do you condemn
what Hamas did.
1985
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,480
Of course, I don't wanna see
innocent people.
1986
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,380
Yeah.
Can you just say that you
1987
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:17,290
condemn Hamas for what they did
as a terrorist organisation?
1988
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:19,490
Yeah.
Look, I think whenever innocent
1989
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:21,630
people are killed, it's bad.
And then his defenders go see,
1990
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,220
he said it, See he said and
yeah, but he's doing that
1991
01:18:24,230 --> 01:18:25,390
politics thing.
Yeah, sure.
1992
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,900
Whereas he were very, very,
very, very, very comfortably
1993
01:18:27,970 --> 01:18:29,990
talk about how horrendous the
Israeli government are.
1994
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,590
They should never be doing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1995
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,600
That's that's when it's like,
and that's fine.
1996
01:18:33,610 --> 01:18:35,670
Yeah, yeah.
But he when his hearts around
1997
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,320
doing it the other way.
I'm like, there's something
1998
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:39,110
there.
Is weird, but the way I see it
1999
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,560
is he was years ahead of pop
culture.
2000
01:18:40,570 --> 01:18:43,160
Now now everyone finally is
suddenly like you look at any
2001
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:45,180
social media ever.
It's like, ohh, 3 past nine.
2002
01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:47,420
Everyone is now being like, oh,
this is a bit mental actually
2003
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:49,770
what they're doing.
He, I think he was just years
2004
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:51,380
ahead of that.
And, and back then, you know,
2005
01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:53,390
when no one knew the full
context, it was like, oh, he
2006
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,810
just hates Jews run by.
And he was like, well, it
2007
01:18:55,820 --> 01:18:56,940
probably is deeper than this,
though.
2008
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:59,510
It probably is deeper because
actually I might be able to say
2009
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,920
the same about 90% of the
population in England right now.
2010
01:19:01,930 --> 01:19:02,740
Then you will.
You will.
2011
01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:03,940
Hate what?
I love you a lot of people.
2012
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:05,250
You just not like what Israel
are doing.
2013
01:19:05,260 --> 01:19:07,160
A lot of people are Islamophobic
in this country.
2014
01:19:07,230 --> 01:19:08,360
Islamophobic.
Yeah.
2015
01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:10,800
Yeah, completely.
And the other way in terms of
2016
01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:13,610
that's that's why, that's why
he's seen even extras like this.
2017
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:16,340
He's he's lefty, Muslim, social
social.
2018
01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:17,870
Life.
Yeah, OK.
2019
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:18,920
He's just got a different
opinion.
2020
01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:20,390
Yeah.
Probably just sort of there are
2021
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,290
horrible inequality and
injustice that's happening.
2022
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:26,420
There were certain things that
he's done which are a bit weird.
2023
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:29,180
Yeah, in that respect.
And it's like, ohh.
2024
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:31,690
And could approach it different.
The whole idea again of like,
2025
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:34,220
you know, it was ingrained in
the in the Labour Party.
2026
01:19:34,230 --> 01:19:37,220
And like there's been reports
and stuff that worth reading.
2027
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:39,820
It's.
It's not a straightforward.
2028
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:41,680
It's just.
He's a nice guy.
2029
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:43,530
He's like, and everyone else is
a bad guy.
2030
01:19:43,540 --> 01:19:46,360
It's like, do you know what?
Rory Stewart was a Conservative
2031
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:48,500
MP for a long time.
And I really like him because I
2032
01:19:48,510 --> 01:19:49,660
listen to his podcast.
Yeah.
2033
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:51,920
And he's left the Tories now
because he went under Boris
2034
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:53,230
Johnson.
He was like, I'm not serving on
2035
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,540
this guy.
Yeah, yeah, and I was and and
2036
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:57,840
you know, there's a few
conservative politicians who are
2037
01:19:57,850 --> 01:20:01,400
good people, but I can't get on
board with them that they enable
2038
01:20:01,410 --> 01:20:04,490
that machine right now.
OK, well, I'd never vote for you
2039
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,560
because I never that I think
you're a nice person.
2040
01:20:06,610 --> 01:20:08,960
But you have also imposed a cap
on benefits.
2041
01:20:09,150 --> 01:20:10,520
You have also overseen
austerity.
2042
01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:12,870
You also defend austerity.
You think the King's the best
2043
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,750
thing in the world.
And I'm like, I don't agree with
2044
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,940
any of that.
But we can be humans on a human
2045
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:18,230
level.
And I cannot hate you.
2046
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,820
And I'm not think you're out to
get me.
2047
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:22,220
I can think that you're trying
to help in a different way to me
2048
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:27,130
for sure.
But yeah, as as a machine, my
2049
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:30,110
overall arching point here of
politics is for a 14 year
2050
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,700
machine since 2010, which is
literally my adult life, by the
2051
01:20:32,710 --> 01:20:34,150
way.
Yeah, literally my adult life
2052
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,390
has been a Conservative
government.
2053
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:40,360
I couldn't vote in 2010 but I
could vote from then on and my
2054
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:44,430
life has not got objectively
better for the same what I would
2055
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:45,830
be as a 30 year old at this
point.
2056
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,340
I don't think there's, there's
been multiple times where it's
2057
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:51,050
been proven that they're just
scumbags who are just literally
2058
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:54,240
lining their mates pockets.
Yeah, I don't want them in power
2059
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,960
anymore and that's the bottom
line for me.
2060
01:20:56,010 --> 01:20:58,210
So whatever anyone else can say
to me, I'm not.
2061
01:20:58,510 --> 01:21:00,240
That's great.
But if you also don't want them
2062
01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:02,560
in power, there is things we can
do to try and make that.
2063
01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:03,650
Happen.
I've got devil's advocate for
2064
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:04,660
you.
It's been thrown at me before.
2065
01:21:04,670 --> 01:21:06,340
And it's one of those questions
where I think the trick is in
2066
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:09,640
the question you just said life
is not objectively got better
2067
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:11,680
since, you know, since you
became an adult.
2068
01:21:12,090 --> 01:21:13,590
But you're in a better position
right now.
2069
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,280
Yeah.
You're like you're you're in a
2070
01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:17,180
much better position than you
were personally.
2071
01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:18,760
I'm 15.
Years, I really tried to get
2072
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:21,680
that in my first answer and I
couldn't get the words out.
2073
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:26,240
My trajectory, yeah, of life,
obviously my wealth has improved
2074
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:28,590
over time.
I think my wealth and and
2075
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,880
well-being and of the country in
general would have improved much
2076
01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:34,150
more on this trajectory.
Because obviously as you move
2077
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,260
through time, you yourself,
that's why as you grow older,
2078
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:39,590
people tend to become more
conservative because they've
2079
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,600
built their wealth now and they
want to hold on to it because it
2080
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:44,350
was a struggle to get there.
On the macro level of the
2081
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,070
country, if you just took a
snapshot in 2010 and a snapshot
2082
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,370
in 2024, yeah, the average
person is worse off.
2083
01:21:50,380 --> 01:21:51,870
Yeah.
And you think it's OK to mention
2084
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,130
these sorts of things even if
you personally have actually?
2085
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:56,730
Benefited quite well.
I've hated it.
2086
01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,730
I've always hated it when
someone uses phrases like
2087
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:01,930
champagne socialist and stuff,
which is essentially just it's
2088
01:22:01,940 --> 01:22:03,990
OK for you to like socialism
because you're well off.
2089
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,100
And it's like, what?
Yeah.
2090
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:10,300
Tax me more like, yeah.
Like when we pay tax for our
2091
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:11,390
business.
Hmm.
2092
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:14,200
Like I, I genuinely never care.
Yeah.
2093
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:16,620
I'm like, cool, that's built in.
And that's because we need to
2094
01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:18,840
pay tax.
And what I will never understand
2095
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:24,040
is people who want to pay, like,
have much lower tax, like have
2096
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:25,280
big tax cuts.
Basically.
2097
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:27,460
It's like, cool, well, do you
want the NHS to work?
2098
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:29,670
Do you do you like this system
we have?
2099
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,060
Because currently it's broken.
We've got the highest taxes ever
2100
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:35,950
since World War Two and probably
the worst, honestly, the worst
2101
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,940
systems and care that we have.
And I don't this is gonna be a
2102
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:40,940
hard thing for any government to
solve because we got an ageing
2103
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:43,910
population as well who need the
services more but will
2104
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,180
contribute less tax.
And I think the only way to go
2105
01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:48,280
about it, I'm just saying right
now is some kind of wealth tax.
2106
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:51,190
Like if someone sat on a
property for 40 years and it's
2107
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,040
gone from costing 30 grand to
1.2 million.
2108
01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:56,680
Yeah, I don't think that person
should get all of that money.
2109
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:58,640
They've not all that's happened
in that case.
2110
01:22:58,650 --> 01:22:59,780
Is just do that?
Why would they?
2111
01:22:59,790 --> 01:23:01,840
Socialist change because they
could, they could sell.
2112
01:23:01,850 --> 01:23:03,820
What I mean is I don't think I
should just stay in the family.
2113
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:05,690
I think it should be a really
big wealth tax on that.
2114
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,160
OK.
Well, the reason isn't it is
2115
01:23:07,170 --> 01:23:09,290
that it's already 40% capital.
Gains over a million,
2116
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:11,690
inheritance over a million.
There's not.
2117
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:12,710
It's your, it's your first
house.
2118
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,010
There's no capital gains.
Yeah, there is.
2119
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:15,810
No, it's not.
If it's your only property,
2120
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:18,260
there's no capital gains tax.
It's on the second property.
2121
01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:18,700
Ohh.
Is it?
2122
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:19,950
Yeah.
So if I sold this house and just
2123
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,610
didn't buy another house, I just
get the full profit?
2124
01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:22,330
Yeah.
That's mad.
2125
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:23,810
I thought it was 20% first
property.
2126
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:25,310
There's no.
I didn't know that it was all
2127
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,620
properties.
I'd be very happy to prove him
2128
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:28,350
wrong, but I'm not completely
under the impression that it's
2129
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,090
second.
It makes sense.
2130
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:29,840
It might be.
Yeah.
2131
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,270
But there is inheritance tax and
stuff.
2132
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,590
And it's like some people want
that car.
2133
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,220
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Especially for if it's your
2134
01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:38,260
business and you build stuff up.
I I see that.
2135
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:42,230
I do see that differently from
living in a home that you got
2136
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:43,500
when it happened to be
affordable.
2137
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:46,520
And now that is just honestly
nothing.
2138
01:23:46,590 --> 01:23:50,840
And again, Rishi Sunak, look at
his numbers because he's made
2139
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:53,290
millions right through
investments and stocks and
2140
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:55,450
shares.
The the idea that that is taxed
2141
01:23:55,460 --> 01:23:57,960
less than actual work is insane
to me.
2142
01:23:58,010 --> 01:23:59,570
Yeah.
And that should be immediately.
2143
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:01,940
Passive income, yeah, he didn't
trade time for.
2144
01:24:02,130 --> 01:24:06,840
Like someone working as a nurse
who earns 40 grand a year pays a
2145
01:24:06,850 --> 01:24:09,350
higher percentage of tax on
their income than Rishi Sunak
2146
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,440
pays on his millions.
Than Rishi Sunak does on
2147
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:12,740
interest he got for those 40
grand.
2148
01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:15,510
Yeah, interest or or investments
or dividends or anything like
2149
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,560
that.
The the threshold is lower.
2150
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:20,400
We take evidence through our
company, if they turn round and
2151
01:24:20,410 --> 01:24:22,400
say dividends are going to be
taxed exactly in line with
2152
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:26,040
income, we pay more tax.
I also don't think we'd have a
2153
01:24:26,050 --> 01:24:28,600
leg to stand on pretending that
that was not fair.
2154
01:24:29,230 --> 01:24:31,250
Yeah, we we'd have less money,
right?
2155
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,820
But I think that's where you
gotta stand on moral duty and
2156
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:37,090
say, well, we are also just
working, you know, that is, that
2157
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:38,620
is our work.
So why should it not be the same
2158
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:40,560
as attaching work?
It's insane to me.
2159
01:24:40,570 --> 01:24:44,570
And that's where a lot of people
were like, Nah, it's especially
2160
01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:45,980
when you talk about Rishi Sunak
level.
2161
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:48,570
I think the system's OK at the
minute.
2162
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:49,890
I mean, why would we change
that?
2163
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,150
Yeah, it's not.
Fair.
2164
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,950
Yeah, we all benefit.
Percentage, I paid way more tax
2165
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,960
than you.
Yeah, but as a percentage you
2166
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:56,910
don't.
Yeah.
2167
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,650
The idea that I think Rishi
Sunak pays something like 26% on
2168
01:24:59,660 --> 01:25:02,030
his tax, it worked out he had 4
million and paid about a million
2169
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:02,910
in tax.
Yeah.
2170
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,910
If you earn 40 grand and and
spent 12 grand on tax, that's a
2171
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,330
higher percentage of that's
going on.
2172
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:09,160
Tax, yeah, yeah.
And.
2173
01:25:09,170 --> 01:25:11,320
That's wrong, and it doesn't
matter that a million to 12.
2174
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:12,990
Grand doesn't have a place, is
it not?
2175
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,990
A lot of people do confuse like,
well, he did put a million into
2176
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,660
the system.
So you know it took 3,000,000
2177
01:25:16,670 --> 01:25:18,060
out.
They got a lot more like his
2178
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:20,330
life is better though, yeah.
Because it only because he had
2179
01:25:20,340 --> 01:25:21,770
money in the 1st place to put
into these.
2180
01:25:21,780 --> 01:25:23,680
You know, investments and stuff.
Yeah, I hate that argument.
2181
01:25:23,730 --> 01:25:25,850
It's unbelievable.
This episode going really long.
2182
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:27,470
We haven't actually done any of
the things we planned.
2183
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:28,940
What do I do?
Well, yeah, we should.
2184
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:31,520
We should.
We should probably end it.
2185
01:25:31,570 --> 01:25:34,300
Yeah, I'm gonna come to you
maybe with.
2186
01:25:34,610 --> 01:25:36,530
Well, I guess we can summarise.
We're going to say here.
2187
01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:38,000
Now we're not going to talk
about this again.
2188
01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:39,520
Why don't we say this?
The next episode we talk about
2189
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:40,460
it.
Properly, we were going to talk
2190
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:42,740
about like what Labour did last
time and how much of it was
2191
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:43,050
good.
How?
2192
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:46,850
Much people off.
No, no, we'll, we'll put it in a
2193
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:49,060
way that's digestible because
again, lots of people listen.
2194
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:51,630
Our teachers, we're gonna talk
about education in particular.
2195
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,030
What do we want to actually see?
Happen yeah, we're gonna reflect
2196
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,050
on yeah, New Labour when they
were in and what they did for
2197
01:25:56,060 --> 01:25:59,150
education compared to the last
15 years and maybe think.
2198
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,890
What can we actually do in the
future to make education?
2199
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:03,280
And it's gonna be, we're not
gonna be like Silver Linings we
2200
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:05,170
could be looking at.
A lot of labour done was
2201
01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:05,770
probably.
Bad.
2202
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:07,340
Yeah, yeah, we'll reflect on all
of it.
2203
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:08,770
We're gonna pick out the good
stuff, so.
2204
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:10,390
Stick around for that.
I've got some questions from
2205
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,970
people and I'll just knock them
onto next time.
2206
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:16,990
Yeah.
You said as a question, yeah, I
2207
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,850
am still do one, I am sorry one.
Question And this is the end.
2208
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:24,280
OK, OK, so the only question
here is let's go for OK, Should
2209
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:25,450
I?
OK, you've gotta vote here.
2210
01:26:25,460 --> 01:26:27,290
You gotta tell me for the last
question, should I do the
2211
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:30,410
incredibly one that made me like
burst out laughing and was just
2212
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:32,910
really provocative, or should I
do the one where you can
2213
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:33,990
actually give me a proper
answer?
2214
01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:35,890
Provocative one, because we've
had a lot of serious chats.
2215
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:40,560
Be nice to end on this actually.
OK anyway, this is just write
2216
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:41,570
this.
I said any questions for
2217
01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:42,800
podcast.
We talk politics, but it could
2218
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:44,590
be about anything.
But mostly about politics.
2219
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:47,550
Question, Any idea how on earth
there are people who work in
2220
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,740
schools that actually vote Tory?
I just don't understand it.
2221
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:54,200
I have an idea because you know
what, it's people like me and
2222
01:26:54,210 --> 01:26:56,180
saying I'm sorry, who don't
really get that involved and
2223
01:26:56,190 --> 01:26:58,640
probably just have lots of other
influences that say, yeah, do
2224
01:26:58,650 --> 01:27:00,020
this.
Loads of people just vote based
2225
01:27:00,030 --> 01:27:01,920
on what their family tell.
Them to do or who just don't
2226
01:27:01,930 --> 01:27:04,990
really care as much about
education as they do about like
2227
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,270
social wars and stuff.
Like I I've talked to people who
2228
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,850
worked in a school who said they
vote Tory and their whole point
2229
01:27:09,860 --> 01:27:11,350
was, yeah, well, they do
something about immigration,
2230
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,240
aren't.
They yeah, yeah.
2231
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:14,780
And last one, all big, all big
corporations generally vote
2232
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:15,980
Tory.
They got a lot more money back
2233
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:17,150
in them.
There's a lot more money to
2234
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,390
brainwash you into thinking a
certain way.
2235
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,830
So it's gotta work on some
level, isn't it?
2236
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They wouldn't keep doing it.
So instead listen to this
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podcast and with our very, very
tiny budget of ��0, we will try
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01:27:25,050 --> 01:27:27,090
and brainwash you the other.
Way sorry we've got the one
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01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:29,060
legit legitimate one.
Or they just think Tory is
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better and they vote for.
Legitimately.
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01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:34,290
Ohh, I'd definitely so.
Yeah, which is fair enough to be
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01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:35,680
honest with.
You, it's fine if you wanna see
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01:27:35,690 --> 01:27:40,230
the decimation and the action,
the absolute destroying of, of
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01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,350
the funding for our children and
children going hungry.
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01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,530
And they had a whole macro level
of children coming into school
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01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:46,550
with like dirty clothes more
often because their family don't
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01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,570
have any money at all and
there's no support whatsoever
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01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:49,960
before school.
And then they come and they
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01:27:49,970 --> 01:27:52,300
can't even be toilet trained.
And then we've got to have much
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more pressure as teachers and
actually our jobs got worse over
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time.
If you liked all that, vote.
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Tory and if you want to see
tuition fees go from nothing to
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01:28:00,290 --> 01:28:03,490
something and and that's
becoming the most important
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01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:06,760
thing of schools in Blair,
right, We'll talk about this
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next week.
Thanks guys.
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See you next time.
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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Seat
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Repeat.
My name is.
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Dylan, and my name is Hayden.
And we're back with another
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episode.
It's just US 2.
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Did we do a guest last week?
We did.
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We had because we recorded it a
while ago.
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That's why we're confused.
Kate on didn't.
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We have loads of guests lined up
obviously.
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Yes, we definitely haven't done
that thing again where we got
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like four in a row and then we
stopped booking anyone.
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We are always on the lookout for
guests, so we'll see in the
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future.
But back to us for now.
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And I've reflected on a few
times.
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People do like it when it is
just us though.
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Like they love the idea of the
guests.
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And I always got like not
scared.
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But I remember when we first got
guests and then we went to again
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a, a stint of us, just us two.
I was really worried that not
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everyone would think, ohh, just
these two guys again.
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But.
But they love us, Dylan.
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Yeah, they love it.
I love that they love us.
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And if they could choose to vote
for us, they would.
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They definitely would.
And I've no, no voting on my
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mind for any reason at all.
I don't know anything happened
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this week.
Nothing to do with the.
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Episode which we've got.
So anyway, before we get into
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it, anything you want to let me
know about?
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Him right now.
What about you?
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I'm hyper aware of where I'm
talking.
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So Dylan, Dylan and ignore,
ignore what he said the other
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week.
They're like, ohh, we've
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upgraded our audio.
It's much better now.
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And it was the worst any episode
we've ever had.
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So last week's episode didn't
sound that great, and this week
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we're really trying to talk into
the microphone.
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So if this sounds great and
crispy, then you know why.
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But if it doesn't, then you also
know why.
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It doesn't.
Then I've just doubled down on
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the idea that we think this
sounds better, but doesn't.
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Anyway, I'm all good.
How are you?
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Your weeks been right.
Yeah, fine.
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It's half time.
We've made it half term, so lots
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of people listening to this.
Again, I know we've got
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international listeners, so I
really do apologise if it's not
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half time for you.
You're still working half time
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here in the UK.
And I'd forgotten it was half
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term because obviously Hayden
and I, we work Monday to
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Wednesday and we do our tutoring
business on the rest of the
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week.
But that meant that half time
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for me actually started on
Wednesday, but it didn't
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register with me because we
still had stuff to do.
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You know, I work in week wasn't
over.
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So I wasn't like have have that
huge relief about it's half term
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and he got to Friday and I'm
sure he's going to talk to you
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about his barbecue in a minute.
But we we fired up a BBQ at
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Hayden's he wanted to test.
Out.
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Don't worry, you talk about it
very soon and and because
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obviously we're British and as
soon as it's only like right
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BBQ, we don't have a barbecue
and we're wasting the day.
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Yeah.
And I, I remember I was sat
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eating an Oreo sandwich, like
ice cream things because
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obviously having a bit of sugar.
Now it's it's summer again.
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Sorry, just never get and I got
a text from my colleague who I
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share the class with saying you
come to the pub and other that
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they're going to the pub for end
of end of term.
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And I was like, oh, you did
mention something last week.
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I really struggled to pass
things over between my week.
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My week seems like two really is
split in half.
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Yeah.
Anything to do with school, I
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kind of forget about it until
I'm back in school.
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Yeah.
By Wednesday evening it's done.
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It's gone.
It's like that Apple TV show.
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Did you watch it, Severance?
No.
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So the whole, the whole point of
severance is there's like this
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technology a bit further in the
future where they implant
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something into your brain and
you go to work, but when you go
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to work, you passed through like
this, I don't know, this
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technology this like you gotta
go into this lift anyway.
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You go to your floor to do your
work, but you completely switch
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off.
It's almost like you turn into a
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different person.
Ohh, wow.
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So the point being like
efficient.
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Yeah.
You literally from your point of
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view, you walk into work, you
walk into the door and
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immediately you walk out of the
door.
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And that whole 8 hours of work.
That's so cool.
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Yeah. 8 hours of work you've
done.
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You literally do not know what
goes on.
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I've heard good things about
that.
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It's an amazing watch at some
point.
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Yeah, because the whole, the
whole point is what you're doing
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there on the outside, it's great
because like you don't have to
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experience work if you haven't
had a really dull, boring job,
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you don't have to experience
work.
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Isn't that cool?
But the the the whole issue like
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the morality which is really
interesting was you create you
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on the inside.
Yeah, so.
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You're also forcing yourself to
only experience work.
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Yeah.
And.
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And the whole idea is, is like,
is that person as morally
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valuable as you?
And you follow both kind of
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people.
Yeah.
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Adam Scott is the lead in it and
he's unreal as an actor because
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he's kind of like this
depressive guy who's had a
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pretty bad life and wife passed
away and all this stuff.
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Yeah.
On the outside.
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Yeah.
On the inside it's hilarious
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cause he's this like, hey, I, I
love my job like an office like,
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you know.
No, because he doesn't know
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what's going on his outside.
Line and that exactly and the
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whole point is in the job
there's this new woman who
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starts and she slowly is like
what all I'm doing is this is
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all for all this is what's going
on what's on the other side of
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this lift and like it develops
into them trying to break out
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and stuff but it turns out that
spoiler alert anyone's gonna
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watch this that that that woman
is one of the board members of
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the company who are doing this
and she said on the outside our
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proof how this is this isn't
morally bankrupt this is
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brilliant I'll prove it I'm
gonna do it myself that's
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hilarious and she ends up
breaking out yeah no but in the
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end and and it's it's just
really.
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Thanks for ruining it completely
within 3 minutes there's.
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There's a bit of evidence here
and a bit of research.
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I would say to people that if
you know how a show ends, you,
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you scientifically enjoy more.
Ohh really?
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You scientifically enjoy things
more.
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You have to.
Spoil, enjoy.
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I don't watch it, I don't want
it, so that's funny.
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Yeah.
That sounds good though.
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Anyway.
Really well off track there.
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So yeah, I did hint at your BBQ.
Come on, talk about it.
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There's not much to say because.
Most people want to hear about
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it, obviously.
I just, yeah, of course.
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Dentist from last week, so I
think about the BBQ.
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Wow, you've ruined my next joke.
Sorry you ruined it.
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I was about to do half ruined
it.
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I'm about to do a whole bit then
on pretending that dentists have
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called me from the dentist
association to not talk about
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it.
Thanks, Tim.
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Much funnier when you do it.
But back to the barbecues,
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embracing the dad life.
Yeah.
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And, and I was just saying just
before we started recording this
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podcast was like, OK, really
funny.
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This will get him.
This will get him nothing.
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Gets past me, Hayden.
Nothing.
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Nothing.
Including Joy.
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Yeah, Bob, who's right?
So between us means that are
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fully embracing the
stereotypical dead life.
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We'll stand around the BBQ the
other day, Dylan in his Crocs,
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talking about golf, me looking
at my lawn, thinking one of my
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my lovely freshly planted seeds
are growing, cooking on the
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barbecue.
And I just felt it's good.
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It's a good place.
To be we basically what's the
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word, but I was gonna say.
You say basic.
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Yeah, but it's not.
What's the word for that?
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Basic.
Dad.
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Don't know basic dad.
Doesn't really work.
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Does it got the dad bods?
We had them for a while, had
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that way before we were down.
The other day, what was it was
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talking about being on a diet.
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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tell me about it.
I'm kind of trying on a diet.
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They're like, ohh, yeah, the old
dad.
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But I was like, yeah, I'm trying
to get back down to my dad as
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I've gone past that.
Ohh, it's like when we were
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younger, you remember people
talk about, especially the girls
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we're talking about, like
wanting to be curvy.
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There's one thing I wanna be
curvy.
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And, and what curvy actually
went in the 90s was stick thin,
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like stick thin.
And there was this whole
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horrible like environment of
girls, like thinking they had to
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be so, so, so skinny.
And and it's with dad bod.
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I kind of feel like we're moving
towards that a little bit
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because people say dad bod, they
don't mean an actual
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stereotypical body of a dad with
a huge beer belly from they mean
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like quite a skinny bloke.
You're still a bit like he's
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wider at the top than he is at
the bottom.
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And it's a bit of a stomach
like, yeah, dad bod doesn't mean
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like, you know, hugely
overweight.
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And, and again, it's like it's
turning into that, but it's
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like, that's right.
I've got a dad bod.
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It's like that's not what they
mean.
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They're.
Getting better and better, these
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old dad bothering me, harder to
achieve.
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It's the dad.
Yeah, it's the dad.
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Chris Pratt.
OK, in that case.
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Yeah, it comes somehow as
attached to money as well.
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Now, dad bod.
Yeah, you gotta be earning a
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couple of million a year as an
actor.
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Yeah, Dad bought is actually
just give your salaries strange,
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but I want I want to talk about
crops quickly because you
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mentioned crops go on.
I am really embracing like, you
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know, there's a few there's a
few things you go through like
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watershed moments growing up
where you slowly realise that
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you are an adult and and to me,
one of them in is I can really
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like separate people out here
where people are age and their
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opinion on Crocs, because I
think it's very ingrained with
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us growing up that Crocs were
horrendous.
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Crocs were horrendous.
Young people now are embracing
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it, but anyone who's in, like,
their 30s, that turning 30, late
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20s, early 30s, I can tell a lot
about them by their reaction
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when I say Crocs.
Because if they're just like,
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ohh, Crocs, Oh my
My Crocs are my slippers around
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the house.
I have to admit I obviously
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tried to wind you up every day
because, you know, as you know,
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Dylan's and then that doesn't
like being, you know, his things
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being touched and all those
sorts of things.
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We've talked about dinner
before, you know, go back and
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listen to Yeah about dinner.
But is that, what is that just
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one?
That was a bit weird talk about
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you.
And I was cracking up at the
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idea that your mum didn't clock
on that you were a bit strange
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when you were eating silica
packages in in Clarks or
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whatever it was.
Do not eat, I think I'll taste.
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It wouldn't be anything else
anyway.
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Ohh God, that story is my
favourite story.
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But yeah, if I put Dylan's Crocs
on, I've never worn Crocs and I
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am one of those guys.
Like Crocs, Crocs look stupid.
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Put them on and I and I was a
little bit annoyed in my head
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and I thought these are nice.
My first thought was these feel
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good.
Do you like in the movies when
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like they rushes into their
brain, they have like this
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moment like just like
Ratatouille when the food critic
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gives the food, when he gets
back to his childhood with wide
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eyes, wear Crocs.
You have that moment of rural
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comfort and joy.
Yeah, I'm now thinking it might
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happen.
I reckon for my birthday
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someone's gonna get me cross
because I mentioned this.
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I reckon Lauren.
Yeah, it's part was clocked on
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you.
Said it quite loudly, I reckon.
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Lauren.
Yeah, the other side of this
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door.
Yeah, our producer.
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Who?
Who?
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We just hide away.
Yeah.
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And make it sound good.
Sound issues yes yeah Lauren
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honestly yeah yeah, but Crocs,
Crocs amazing but yeah pretty
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good week I mean I'm I'm quite
excited it's half time I feel
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like my time doesn't exist
anymore but.
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You've been you've been
messaging me at 5:00 AM a lot.
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What's going on?
Who's getting up at 5:00 AM?
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This is unreal.
Any other parents out there,
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please message me and tell me
I'm not alone.
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Because.
Because I'm pretty sure I can't.
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I'm obviously not the only one.
I hate that phrase.
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Am I the only one who and then
insert something which is so
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normal?
Yeah, probably.
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Generally one who has Weetabix
with milk.
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No, of course you aren't.
What do you mean I'm I'm the
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only one who sits on their chair
with their bum.
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But.
No.
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Am I the only man in the world
sitting down to wee?
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Well, maybe.
No I think I know more blokes
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who said to me than who stand up
at this point.
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It's come to you.
We are entering the zone of just
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doing what feels good and not
what is proper and that is why
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I'm here for anyway Rory wakes
up I I honestly there is about a
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4 minute window which is 458 to
five O 2 and he wakes up in that
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window every single day and it
doesn't matter.
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This is what I don't get.
If every day he had 4 1/2 hours
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sleep and woke up like, ohh, his
body clocks developing, he could
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go to bed at six or half eight,
right?
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He would wake up at half one in
the night and at 5:00 in the
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morning.
Yeah.
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And when he wakes up at 5:00, I
think ohh yeah, a bit of food
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and like a bit of a rock.
Maybe another hour.
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No, no, no.
Like about 5.
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And it's hilarious because
there's a difference when he
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wakes up and he we know we'll go
back to sleep.
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He kind of just like says yeah,
because he clearly wants to be
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asleep.
And you know.
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Yeah, 5:00 AM right?
Because he is, his head is like
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turning looking cuz he knows
we're in the bed next to him and
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he's like turning and he just
goes yeah.
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And I'm like Oh my As soon as I
hear they are, yeah.
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You're not going back.
That it's just you.
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He's just mini.
He's probably looking for silica
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packets.
Is it?
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Is it me?
Do I do that?
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Do I get up and walk my head?
I'll go.
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Honestly, yeah, when you're,
when you're not around other
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people, yeah, that's your true
self.
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That is you.
Yeah, that's the other thing
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about having a kid.
Anything that he develops that's
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annoying, it's going to be just
me.
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Yeah.
So it's gonna be hard to be
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annoyed.
Yeah, you'll, you'll remember
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your child and be like, ohh,
yeah, that's me.
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That's weird.
There isn't.
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I think about the 5:00 AM thing.
It's strange.
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I don't know.
There's a link between the the
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daylight that comes out of 5:00
AM and him getting up every
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single time there's something
there that might be a.
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Reason I'm trying to convince
Lauren that has to do with that.
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Yeah.
And she was like, Nah, I was
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like that one logical thing I
think it is, though.
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I think it is.
And then she was like, I don't
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think so.
And I was like, this is just
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with.
Animals historically don't wake
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up when it gets light, do they?
That's that is a definitely a
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thing.
They do wake up generally after.
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It's weird though, we're really
up on the tangent here.
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Like why do we go to sleep at
like for like 8 hours?
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Like aren't we really vulnerable
as animals?
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I know we're not now because we
got buildings and stuff, but how
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on earth did we evolve to get
unconscious for eight hours?
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In a row.
I often think that such pathetic
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versions of our like primitive
sales, aren't we?
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Honestly, if if you just took
away my house and like money
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right now, I had nothing right,
I'd be dead in a week.
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Honestly, I wouldn't know what
to do.
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If you put me in like the best
place for it as well like easy
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survival, I still wouldn't be
like ohh.
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I'd already an.
Evolution, feed me someone give
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me water.
I wouldn't know what to do.
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Ohh no survivors go back Rd
laughing.
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What Finally here we there
licking his lamb finally after
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all these years?
Yeah, Bear Grylls knows what to
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do.
We don't Bear Grylls and Ray
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Mears.
Ramiers Ray Mears was a better
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version of hair growth.
I used to love his hair.
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Grows a Tory fraud?
No, sorry, not talking politics.
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Politics today.
Come on.
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Ohh.
At all.
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No, not at all.
Just wait half an hour.
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No talk about SATS, right?
Yeah, let's, let's go into our
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little chat because this is the
week as a recording, you're
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listening to this.
If you're listening to this
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episode, the day it comes out,
all the week comes out.
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Last week the sats were
released, so the embargo has
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been lifted.
Uh, Sats were taken by year six
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children two or three weeks ago.
We're gonna go through papers,
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have a lot of reflection.
Yeah, quick reflection, quite a
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few talking points online, few
talking points heading likes to
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go through the test being year
six teacher and he found a few
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very, very, very weird things.
So we're gonna have a reflection
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there and reflection like rhymed
really nice with election.
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And it's not that I'm political
or anything, it's I don't
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actually want the politics.
We just use it in the title.
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Yeah.
So we talk about Sats.
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Yeah, stay around the politics.
OK, Hayden, are you all set with
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your framing?
Your crotch.
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Further back this time I was
like, oh, I don't want my legs
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in it.
And they're watching on Spotify
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in for a treat for the 1st 15
minutes.
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No, it wasn't is now looking at
it, hopefully not.
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We're going to see a big spike
on the retention, like someone
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rewinding.
God, what's wrong with us?
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Right, Hayden, you're a year six
teacher.
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I sat where a couple of weeks
ago and we go through all the
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papers and stuff for our
tutoring.
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Like we we like to keep ahead on
that and do videos and stuff and
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explanations.
Where would you put this year's
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SATS papers on a scale of
incredibly unfair and horrible
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to too easy and there's no point
doing it.
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Everyone can do all these
questions.
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Overall bang in the middle, I
think you would you say, I
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think, OK, it's weird.
It's a good thing in the context
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of SATS, like whether OK, so
just within the confines of
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let's just assume we all think
SAS is OK, Sure, this this, this
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set of papers was OK.
So she's not gonna be discussing
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whether we should abolish Sats.
We have done that, yeah.
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We might mention it briefly, but
we have done in depth discussion
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about the Sats in general.
But no, I think about the last
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Sats and all of the controversy
around the reading paper being a
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bit too hard and stuff.
This one was still quite tricky,
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but it wasn't as bad as that.
The maths I thought was
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completely fair.
I know you've had a little look
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at the mass papers and the GPS
was alright as well.
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I just bought the whole process
that that is exactly what that
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is like.
I didn't have really have any
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major issues.
There's a few little bits we can
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pick apart and a bit, but they
they're small enough where it
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wasn't enough to be like, ohh,
there's whole sats.
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There was a sham.
It was so unfair for these kids.
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It was a fair bunch of.
Tests so as an insight them for
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anyone who wasn't involved in
this act, whether they're a
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teacher or even just a parent.
What was your experience with
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the children sitting in the
papers?
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Because I think a big thing a
lot of people are interested in,
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interested in their well-being
is, you know, that that's kind
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of a big, you know, problem.
Sometimes it think for long
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parents especially.
So again, having administered
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the SATS and gone through it
with your cohort, how did you
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find that?
Well, that's interesting, that's
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for it.
Cause any of this stuff, if you
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do write to us, if you have a
comment, I know Dylan deals with
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Instagram, but please, if you've
got something to say because I'm
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genuinely so interested in other
schools and how this happened,
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right?
So this is me going for the
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paper.
So we did GPS and as always, I
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think the GPS is weirdly timed.
I like the majority of the
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children sit in the test were
finished with 20 minutes left,
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15 minutes left.
And I find that's quite often
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the case of GPS because it's
just 50 typically really quick
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one mark questions and then.
How long do they have?
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Like 45 minutes.
And I do find that children
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generally with through that,
which I find strange because
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then when they do the reading
paper, I think the next day the
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reading paper to me every single
year.
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I always think why is it so
harshly timed?
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They get so much extra time for
the GPS and the same group of
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children.
By the way, I had about 30 to 40
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with me in the hall because I
was administering the kind of
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the bulk of the kids in our
school, the same group of kids
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that are all finished and sat
there looking through their GPS
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papers 20 minutes ago were all
like generally all struggling to
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finish that paper.
I I saw that 10 minute timer
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sort of get to 10 minutes left.
And I was looking around the
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hall and I was thinking, wow,
half of these kids are just
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scrambling now to the third
text, which typically requires
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almost them 2020 minutes to do.
Yeah, like a bit more than a
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third, maybe 25.
And yeah, I just thought, this
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is just seems wrong.
Like there's no way these kids
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have all just suddenly now.
Ohh I forgot how to read the GPS
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yesterday.
It's like, no, the timings are
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just off and I think that every
year.
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Do you think that's the biggest
impact on well-being for the
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children then?
Like in terms of like we're
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talking about the difficulty,
the act of actually doing the
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test, the timers, is that what
you notice is like a bit of a
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red?
Flag I'd say that yes and and
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I'd say it's 5050 with with the
difficulty.
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Sure.
I think for well-being with
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kids, if they find it
challenging, if they find it too
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challenging, whatever that
threshold is for them, I think
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that's really negative on their
well because it makes them feel
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rubbish.
Sure.
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And I equally think that for any
difficulty for any kid, if then
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if they feel like they're stress
because they're not finishing
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it, and then I'll get an
opportunity to show what they
430
00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:55,770
can do, whether they're, you
know, really high ability or
431
00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:57,850
not.
I think that's also a massive
432
00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:00,570
contributor to them feeling
really stressed after it.
433
00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:02,790
Ohh, didn't get time to do the
last three questions.
434
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,530
Which they could have.
Thought they could have got
435
00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:06,460
right and and they really wanted
to cause maybe it's.
436
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:07,950
Important to have a go at.
It yeah.
437
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,370
And like, that's just not fair.
So I think the reading comp just
438
00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:12,210
needs more time.
I don't know why it is an hour.
439
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,490
The text seems to be getting
slightly longer over the years
440
00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:15,830
as well.
So it takes a bit more time to
441
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,010
read.
The questions are just getting a
442
00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:20,120
little bit more.
Well, is that really in their
443
00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:22,580
comprehension?
Well, I've always found that
444
00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:25,000
weird in terms of a timer for
comprehension.
445
00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:27,930
I know why timers existing
tests, like I understand that
446
00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:29,450
there are reasons.
So someone's listening.
447
00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:30,740
Well, of course you need a
timer.
448
00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:32,970
Yeah, you're OK You're testing.
Can they get through a text
449
00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:35,560
quick enough?
And you know how, how quick do
450
00:18:35,570 --> 00:18:37,920
you have to understand something
before you don't really properly
451
00:18:37,930 --> 00:18:39,400
understand it and all that kind
of stuff.
452
00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:43,620
But I, I still, my gut instinct
with comprehension is that if it
453
00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:48,680
takes a child an extra minute to
get to the right answer, I don't
454
00:18:48,690 --> 00:18:50,940
think that matters.
That's that's my opinion.
455
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,240
I agree, I think, I think there
is a place for word reading
456
00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:57,040
speed.
Hmm, in terms of a some sort of
457
00:18:57,050 --> 00:18:59,420
measure, maybe a kids ability to
read.
458
00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:02,450
But yeah, I agree generally and
especially when especially when
459
00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:04,600
the majority of kids are
struggling to read it like in
460
00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:06,650
that time, I'm like, come on,
this is not even reflecting like
461
00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,220
the average reader this sort of
time.
462
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:10,320
So that was mental.
And then with the maths
463
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:13,060
arithmetic mean, you seen the
arithmetic paper.
464
00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:14,840
I'll ask you what you what did
you think of the arithmetic
465
00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:17,200
paper in terms of like
difficulty and stuff?
466
00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:20,720
I, I've got, I've got probably a
potentially controversial
467
00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:24,930
opinion on arithmetic in that
having seen every arithmetic
468
00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:27,660
paper for years now, because
like I said, I always go through
469
00:19:27,670 --> 00:19:29,910
and, and model answers and do
them.
470
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,570
I, I think, OK, you can come
back to this.
471
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,170
I think that the average child
in year six should aim for full
472
00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:42,830
Marks and everything paper.
And I know that some children
473
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,870
who can't, some children who
can.
474
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,480
And when it comes to reasoning,
the average child absolutely
475
00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:48,710
would be nowhere near full
marks.
476
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240
No, same for reading comp.
Same for GPS actually, in my
477
00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:52,860
opinion, like you could do well
in GPS.
478
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:56,070
There's a lot of weird stuff GPS
that go up when it comes to
479
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440
arithmetic.
The processes involved in that
480
00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:02,400
question, you could write them
down and get every single
481
00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:04,840
process that will come up before
the test comes up.
482
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:07,550
Yeah, you, you, you.
OK, You will get an additional
483
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,960
question with 11 number has 2
decimal places.
484
00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:13,350
One number has three decimal
places.
485
00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:17,240
You will get 2 fractions that
have one as the numerator that
486
00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:21,680
you multiply together.
You will get a You will get a
487
00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:24,100
fraction multiplied by.
Sorry.
488
00:20:24,170 --> 00:20:27,290
Provided by a whole number, you
know, you, you can, you, you
489
00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,660
will get short division, you
will get this long division, you
490
00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:31,230
will get multiplication.
It's the same.
491
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,310
So yeah, my whole point there is
I suppose over over the course
492
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,470
of four years or from year three
up to year six, I think that as
493
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,850
teachers we should be aiming for
them to be able to answer every
494
00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:43,790
question.
And I think in year six
495
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,070
especially the the average child
should sit down and have and
496
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,560
been able to prove over the last
couple of months that they can
497
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:51,550
answer every single question on
the.
498
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,290
Test.
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a
499
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,230
really big stretch target.
I think I'll just dive into it a
500
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,450
bit more because yeah, like you
said with other tests, the
501
00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:59,880
average child I don't think
should be should be going the
502
00:20:59,890 --> 00:21:01,380
50.
Percent, I've been lined up the
503
00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:04,250
children in the in the year in
in the whole country who are in
504
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:06,060
year six.
If you picked out the middle
505
00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:08,340
code, yeah, my opinion is they
should be able to answer the
506
00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:09,540
question on the.
Test Yeah, yeah, it should be
507
00:21:09,550 --> 00:21:11,180
aiming 40.
It's funny because I don't think
508
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,360
every child should be aiming for
full marks in maths in general,
509
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:15,480
no, but yeah, the arithmetic
paper is just different, isn't
510
00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:16,720
it?
Is just very, very different.
511
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:19,890
And I yeah, I agree.
I think some people probably
512
00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:21,840
listen to thinking, come on,
that's that's mad.
513
00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:24,240
And realistically, the average
is probably the average child
514
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,540
should probably be getting
somewhere between 30 and 30.
515
00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,000
I was gonna say probably. 30 But
I think what I really want to
516
00:21:29,010 --> 00:21:30,040
stress is that you talk about
aiming.
517
00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:33,080
Yeah, average kid should aim for
40 out of 40.
518
00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:35,830
And, and that's why I try to be
really clear when I said should
519
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,820
have proven honestly in the in
the months beforehand, having
520
00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:41,790
had four years of key stage two,
that there there should be
521
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,010
nothing that could come up on
that test which they have no
522
00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:45,550
idea about.
Yeah, there might be something
523
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,230
on the test like maybe for, for
example, long divisions, one I
524
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,430
can think of straight away where
working out the multiples of 49
525
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,630
might be really tricky for a
child.
526
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,630
Yeah.
Or if they haven't learned their
527
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,970
times tables, a lot of the
questions are going to be
528
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,420
absolutely not be able to get
there.
529
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:01,800
But my point is you should aim
by year 6 to 9 your time.
530
00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:04,830
Should be average year six kid.
No, that's exactly the average
531
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,550
kid.
Should know that.
532
00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:08,290
Well, there's some kids who
can't.
533
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:10,140
It's like I know and I never
expected to get. 4.
534
00:22:10,150 --> 00:22:11,860
Yeah, yeah.
So that, that's my opinion.
535
00:22:11,870 --> 00:22:14,230
And having a look through the
test, I thought the only thing
536
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,490
that really struck a chord of me
where there were two things
537
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:20,050
where they at every single
opportunity, it felt like they
538
00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:22,300
formatted the question in a way
that was different to what they
539
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:24,970
thought the kids might see.
Yeah, they they very, very, very
540
00:22:24,980 --> 00:22:30,050
often, almost too often.
But the answer box first equals
541
00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:31,880
and then the question.
Yeah, which is such a small
542
00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:33,820
thing, but.
And, and I've got nothing wrong
543
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:36,130
with that being on the paper,
but it felt like they did that
544
00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:38,060
about eight times.
And it was, Yeah.
545
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:41,590
And it was like, if you're gonna
test children on that and you
546
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,260
know children won't get it, you
are essentially saying they're
547
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:46,200
not gonna get 8 Times Now
instead of just like three or
548
00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:46,920
four.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
549
00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:49,320
And, and the other thing that
really stood out to me, which
550
00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:53,710
was crazy because this genuinely
doesn't matter in my opinion, is
551
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,360
the answer to almost every
fraction question was a fraction
552
00:22:57,370 --> 00:23:00,760
that could have been simplified.
So for example, the answer I
553
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:02,390
think to one was something like
46.
554
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,050
The answer to another one was
1420 firsts.
555
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,140
And, and there was all I mean by
that is you will get the mark if
556
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:11,540
you don't bother touching it.
So if if it's let's say it's
557
00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:17,610
2514, THS take away 414th, yeah,
you will get a mark for putting
558
00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:19,600
twenty 114th.
That's fine, Yeah.
559
00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:22,640
But then if you try to simplify
it and do it wrong because you
560
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:25,200
see it simplify, it could be
simplified and for whatever
561
00:23:25,210 --> 00:23:27,980
reason, maybe you put 14 / 7 or
whatever it is you do.
562
00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:31,460
Yeah, if you then try and do an
extra step and then put that
563
00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:33,080
down, you'd get it wrong.
Yeah, you would.
564
00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,640
Even though you've done the
subtraction absolutely correctly
565
00:23:35,650 --> 00:23:38,830
and you've got the right answer.
And I just thought, wow, there
566
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,110
could have been some points at
least when it wasn't option
567
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,930
simplify.
Yeah, but you weren't even.
568
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,150
Yeah.
Because if you're gonna get a
569
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,170
mark for not simplifying, that's
such a weird extra step to that
570
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:49,310
you can only lose by doing.
That you're highlighting now
571
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,710
really is that is that really
nuanced stuff that I think
572
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,770
teachers when you're 6, you just
sort of think we're just playing
573
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:56,640
a game at this point.
Absolutely we're playing a game
574
00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:59,360
because you know what, on
average, if you had two classes
575
00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,710
and one of them you you really
explicitly drilled to them
576
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,980
because you know how the Sats
works, right, You drilled to
577
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:05,550
them.
Never simplify your answer as it
578
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:06,810
tells you to.
And the other one they did never
579
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:08,630
mentioned it, but they were
taught simplifying like they
580
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,180
both would have been exactly.
They're not there.
581
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:12,580
There's probably, there's
probably a high chance that one
582
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:14,740
class of app would outperform
the other, not based on ability,
583
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:16,720
but because they know the test
technique and the other ones
584
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:18,500
were trying to do something.
And there's obviously gonna be
585
00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:21,050
the occasional accidental error.
Yeah.
586
00:24:21,150 --> 00:24:24,860
You know, any extra steps opens
up the possibility of accidental
587
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:26,040
errors.
Nothing to do with ability.
588
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:27,280
Absolutely.
It's just, yeah, it's really
589
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:27,790
funny, isn't it?
So.
590
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,740
That, that, that was my gut
instinct having a look through
591
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:31,560
the recipes.
But I thought the content, as
592
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:34,130
always, I think it's gonna be
really hard to find a year where
593
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:36,080
you look at the requisite test
and you think, oh, that's tricky
594
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:37,480
because you just know what's
gonna come up.
595
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:39,100
Every year there's like one or
two questions.
596
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:40,350
Ohh, didn't really picture like
that.
597
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,110
With my kids, before putting
those one year, it was something
598
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,430
like I think it was four and 1/4
times no.
599
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,070
Two and 1/4 * 39.
They got two and 1/4 * 30.
600
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,130
That's what it was, which again
is not actually that tricky.
601
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,290
You defeated 9 * 239 quarters.
It's like it's almost like a
602
00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:58,420
improper fraction to a mixed
number question.
603
00:24:58,430 --> 00:25:00,240
Or do you wanna make it into
decimals and 2.7?
604
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:04,080
Whatever you wanna do.
But I felt like again, if you're
605
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,780
drilling as a year six teacher
passed test questions past.
606
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:08,560
Papers never come.
Up it's actually I don't think
607
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:10,600
it's come up before where
something on 1/4 * 30.
608
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:12,160
Never.
Which in fact, the only thing
609
00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:14,240
that's come up with a mixed
number of times, an odd number
610
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:16,540
is 1 1/2 right there.
You've had like I remember the
611
00:25:16,550 --> 00:25:20,110
classic 1 1/2 * 59 was that, was
that in the reasoning paper,
612
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,660
something like that.
And there was that.
613
00:25:21,730 --> 00:25:23,590
There was that reasoning
question that was like something
614
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,060
to do with the days on a
different planet.
615
00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:27,880
Yeah, that was like that.
But you know, doing that
616
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:29,480
question, that is the correct
curriculum.
617
00:25:29,490 --> 00:25:29,990
Question.
Yeah.
618
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,780
And and actually it's.
A good thing, I think that.
619
00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:33,940
Came out funny because I taught
that fairly recently as well.
620
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:36,080
Yeah, I was like, I was just
looking at numbers and just
621
00:25:36,090 --> 00:25:37,820
mixed numbers in the column is
like if you ever get a mixed
622
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:40,130
number times the number, then
just partition it at all number
623
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:41,550
of times this and the fraction
times this.
624
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,330
Yeah, just put it back and.
That's where actually, I would
625
00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:46,020
say the more they can find for
those questions in Arabic, I
626
00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:47,620
actually get behind that for.
Yeah.
627
00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:49,410
Because, again, what you're
doing is the opposite of what
628
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:50,960
you said.
Someone who's been drilled to
629
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:52,980
test technique, if they only
ever use the same Bank of
630
00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:55,400
questions when it comes to the
test, yeah, those test
631
00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:56,470
techniques are gonna shine
through.
632
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,940
And I think you should be
looking actively at a question
633
00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:02,260
writer to find curriculum
questions that aren't too
634
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,260
difficult but pitch nicely for
the curriculum.
635
00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:06,840
Yeah, that test children on
their knowledge, not on their
636
00:26:06,850 --> 00:26:08,100
test.
Yeah, the question should be
637
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:12,750
when making it is OK, if a child
understands this concept, can
638
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,260
they answer this question?
Yeah, then call use it.
639
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:16,710
It's gonna come really nicely
into a discussion.
640
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,600
We're gonna have a minute about,
yeah, different questions.
641
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:20,780
I think maybe, Yeah, go on.
Just final reflection on the
642
00:26:20,790 --> 00:26:21,780
mask then.
Yeah, realistic.
643
00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:24,420
I agree with the right.
I think most kids timing wise,
644
00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:26,300
they were right with it.
You know, especially I didn't
645
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:28,280
quite a lot of my able
mathematicians in there.
646
00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:30,720
So they were finally finished.
Quite what the reason because.
647
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,430
The only thing this year it was
the same last year, I think all
648
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,460
the year before I can't
remember, but reasoning paper
649
00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:37,760
two was like distinctly harder
than reasoning paper.
650
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:38,760
Three comes before.
Right.
651
00:26:38,770 --> 00:26:40,090
Yeah.
So the 2nd paper they did,
652
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,680
there's three papers altogether.
The 2nd paper they did was so
653
00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:45,750
much harder than the 3rd paper
and all of this there's the
654
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,350
objective is like really wrong
with that.
655
00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:50,350
I don't like it when it's that
way around because the only
656
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,110
thing I think can happen from
that is it just put it just gets
657
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,330
some of the contacts up and
knocks their confidence for that
658
00:26:55,340 --> 00:26:56,640
last Test.
I just think the hardest one
659
00:26:56,650 --> 00:26:58,610
should be at the.
End full stop, because you
660
00:26:58,620 --> 00:27:00,040
because kids are children are
used to that.
661
00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,660
And then I know a lot of
children who after that first
662
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:04,600
because the the next test on the
next day.
663
00:27:04,660 --> 00:27:07,110
So you've got a whole night of
worrying and I know a lot of
664
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,450
children were thinking what if
paper to was like that?
665
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:12,350
Ohh, my gosh, paper three is
going to be horrendous and that
666
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,440
was a bit weird.
There's no need.
667
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,740
To do.
It's just unnecessary that that
668
00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:16,940
would be my only reflection.
We're gonna talk very
669
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:19,250
specifically about some
questions, so we're gonna dive
670
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:21,450
in now because there are a few
questions every year.
671
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:24,170
No, we've said in general we
think it was quite a fair test.
672
00:27:24,180 --> 00:27:25,100
I.
Think it was quite a fair.
673
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:27,730
Test and there's always going to
be tricky stuff and you can pick
674
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:29,150
out.
Last year there was a bit more
675
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,920
than usual and there's a bit of
a furore, especially I'm
676
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:32,470
reading.
But there were still some
677
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,490
questions this year which we
just saw when we looked through.
678
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,650
And then also online there's
been a lot of debate and
679
00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:41,380
discussion about yeah, my
opinion on Sam is different to
680
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:43,490
your opinion on Sam.
We have a good chat about
681
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:45,050
whether it's good or not to give
10 year olds.
682
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:46,630
This let's, Let's start with the
reading.
683
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:48,640
There's one question we've got
here from the reading paper
684
00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:51,620
because I, I, I was looking for
it very, very intricately the
685
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:53,460
other day and I was looking at
the mark scheme for every single
686
00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:55,440
question as well.
And I stumbled across this
687
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:57,020
question right at the beginning
of the paper.
688
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,470
And I genuinely can't believe I
had to message Dillon cause
689
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,750
normally I jumped the gun with
these things.
690
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,600
And he'll be like, no, you've
just, you've just not seen this
691
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:04,440
thing.
So I messaged Dylan and be like,
692
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,100
is it just me or is this
question completely wrong and
693
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:10,490
actually just just broken?
So here it is question three of
694
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,920
the reading comp paper.
So you'd assume early on, but
695
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,080
easier as well.
It says, how can you?
696
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:18,420
And this is an exact quote all
the way.
697
00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:21,650
How can you tell?
Streaked tenrecs are social
698
00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:24,550
animals for anyone listening is
not in the same world the 10
699
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,550
reps of these little creatures
the whole text was all about.
700
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,210
So that's not just like already.
There's.
701
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,910
Non visual text about that.
So they would have had some
702
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,710
context.
How can you tell their social
703
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,470
animals now?
The text says in a paragraph, a
704
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,690
very short paragraph, it says
both Lowland 10 Rex and St 10
705
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:45,910
Rex are very social animals.
So I can tell them.
706
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Police says that and then the
question says how can you tell
707
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:51,200
that that street terms are
social animals?
708
00:28:51,210 --> 00:28:54,020
Also question three, you assume
it's gonna be easy and I looked
709
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:56,400
to the mark scheme and it's
marked as a retrieval question
710
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:58,140
as well.
So you so it's not even an
711
00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:00,420
inference question where it's
like you have to find evidence
712
00:29:00,430 --> 00:29:02,180
to do it.
It's it's labelled as a
713
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,880
retrieval.
Question should just be in the.
714
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:05,150
Text.
You just find the answer in the
715
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,220
text and it's there.
And then obviously me and a lot
716
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:11,740
of the kids, this is how I would
have answered it when I was
717
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,440
walking around, I looked at that
and I thought, I'm gonna answer
718
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:17,720
that as.
I would answer that as because
719
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:19,660
the text says they're very
social animals.
720
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:22,710
Because it does.
It literally says that it looks
721
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
at the marking.
It says do not accept the text
722
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:27,660
says that they are social
animals or any reference to the
723
00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:29,800
fact that the text says they're
social animals.
724
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:32,510
Yeah, but the question is how
can you tell our social animal
725
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,910
unreal.
I just think it's mad because
726
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,100
really what they're trying to
do, it's very poorly worded.
727
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:38,230
Very.
What they're trying to say is
728
00:29:38,290 --> 00:29:42,020
what evidence is there to prove
that they are social animals and
729
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:43,730
what they should have done is
what they've always done in the
730
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,950
past, which is just quote the
actual text.
731
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,390
Yeah, say like show the quote
and quotation Marks and say what
732
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,550
evidence that backs up the fact
that their social animals.
733
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,160
Then you obviously can't use the
quote that's in the question.
734
00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:58,270
Yeah, because I suppose a lot of
children or defenders of this
735
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,930
even might say some children
will know that they shouldn't
736
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:02,850
repeat the question.
Yeah, So the question says how
737
00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:04,740
can you tell St Turmeric social
animals?
738
00:30:04,930 --> 00:30:07,660
I would argue it's pretty
obvious from a teaching point of
739
00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:10,000
view.
And some children might know you
740
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:12,210
don't simply repeat the question
and the answer because that's
741
00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:15,400
mad.
However, in this exact case of
742
00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:17,880
how it's worded, that is not
wrong.
743
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,860
So to, to, for a mark scheme to
say that it's wrong is
744
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:22,250
unbelievable.
And what it's actually doing is
745
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:24,180
undermining the text as a whole
because what it's what it's
746
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,980
suggesting there is no, no, you
can't actually trust the text
747
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:28,920
unless you then back up with
more stuff from the text.
748
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:30,470
Now, isn't it never happened
before like that?
749
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,580
Yeah, that's that's never
happened.
750
00:30:32,590 --> 00:30:34,480
Yeah.
It's always been the case where
751
00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:35,900
there isn't a direct thing from
the text.
752
00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:38,650
You there's only evidence to
back it up or there's not.
753
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:41,160
And if you write the quote and
the question and then you answer
754
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:43,450
justifying the quote by writing
the quote, that's very
755
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:45,260
specifically what we teach.
They're not there.
756
00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:46,620
Yeah.
You know, if you have a question
757
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:51,340
saying, you know, how do you,
how do you know or, or can you
758
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:54,060
explain something from the text?
If it's just written in that
759
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:57,040
very simple turn of phrase,
you're no longer explaining it,
760
00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:58,130
just repeating it.
Yeah.
761
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:01,050
So the explanation would be, and
it would force you to go to the
762
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,960
text, find the quote and then
read on.
763
00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:07,190
And that's a comprehensive.
Question could be like how can
764
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,660
you how can you tell that that
street 10 rats like living
765
00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:13,090
together Sure and it's OK
because the text says are very
766
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,410
social animals exactly.
Fine.
767
00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:16,910
And you kind of test in Word
meaning to a degree there.
768
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,830
Yeah, you know, in a way,
because you need to know what
769
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,280
social means.
Yeah, but that's a normal
770
00:31:20,290 --> 00:31:22,900
question that's come up.
Yeah, that just really annoy me
771
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:25,750
because you know what there's
there's there's going to be a
772
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,930
huge amount of children who have
been drilled.
773
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Everything you do comes from the
text and found the evidence and
774
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:34,180
they were just logically put
because the text says they're
775
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:36,310
very social and they're thinking
it's question three is an easy
776
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,560
question and and.
Taken out from that even,
777
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:41,980
there'll be a whole bunch of
children who have have got it
778
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:43,750
right.
That's the end of it.
779
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,490
Like, yeah, there'll be a whole
bunch of children who have
780
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:46,510
answered that question
correctly.
781
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,510
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who?
782
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,420
Because of the mark scheme,
because of the jumping through
783
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:50,990
hoops that they want you to do
Because.
784
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:54,330
Because the question doesn't
test what the question writer
785
00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:56,870
wanted to test.
They've just made the mark
786
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240
scheme wrong because they're
like, no, I don't want to test
787
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,120
that.
It's like, well, write a
788
00:32:00,130 --> 00:32:02,250
different question because that
question isn't doing it.
789
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,910
Yeah.
Yeah.
790
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,990
It's unbelievable.
I'd say that to me.
791
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,590
I'm going to say right now that
is the only question out of the
792
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,570
entirety of these tests, which I
think is just completely wrong.
793
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:14,760
I think there are some we can
argue weird.
794
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520
There are some we can argue.
Yeah, yeah, maybe too far, just.
795
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:19,630
Straight up a mistake.
I'd argue that it's just a
796
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,280
terrible question.
Yeah, it's wrong.
797
00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:22,790
Yeah.
Yeah, they would be able to
798
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,930
defend that, I don't think.
No, I think it's a good point.
799
00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:26,610
Now we can move on to another
question that popped up.
800
00:32:26,620 --> 00:32:29,110
And again, I'd love to know, by
the way, anyone listening, what
801
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,850
your opinion is on this and
especially if you're out of
802
00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:33,620
school, are you aware this is
what we're asking children to do
803
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:34,760
when they're ten?
And do you think that's
804
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,010
appropriate?
Because I think that's, again,
805
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:37,730
it's a separate conversation,
but I think it's really
806
00:32:37,740 --> 00:32:39,460
important.
Or if you are a teacher, did you
807
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:41,000
notice some children really
struggling on?
808
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:42,170
Some people get in touch with
us.
809
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,390
They will find us on Instagram
at Teach St People there.
810
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,580
Let me try one more time at
Teach the Repeat podcast to find
811
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:51,240
us on Instagram.
That is honestly the best way to
812
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:53,330
get in touch because I don't
actually really check anything
813
00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:55,440
else.
So if you just go to Instagram,
814
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,900
you might find a few reels.
Again, I'm not sure of their
815
00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:59,550
political and I'm not a
political.
816
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,790
Person No we're not.
At the end of this episode and
817
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,920
talk about politics.
So this is a really good point
818
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:08,860
to go now because Hayden and I,
we love arguing.
819
00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,520
Some might say it's debating.
I'd say it's just straight up
820
00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:13,420
arguing.
Sometimes for the sake of it.
821
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:15,120
Yeah, because it's fun, even if
we agree.
822
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,990
I often take up an opposing view
of Hayden just to test his
823
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,310
opinion.
Sometimes opposing.
824
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,930
Opposing of.
You not opposing opposing this
825
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:27,430
one GPS paper.
You sent me this.
826
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,410
Yeah, go on, you explained.
It, it's a great question.
827
00:33:30,420 --> 00:33:32,800
Yeah.
And it's number change.
828
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:34,610
Great question in terms of like
to talk about.
829
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:38,490
OK, So it's #50 it's the last
question on GPS paper, which is
830
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,980
quite often really hard.
If you look back at all the
831
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:43,330
previous papers, it's often #50
it's proper nasty.
832
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,690
And it says this circle, the two
adjectives that are synonyms in
833
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,930
the sentence below and then the
sentences.
834
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,230
The street was lined with grand
houses.
835
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:57,770
The modest cottage stood out
amongst its imposing neighbours.
836
00:33:59,070 --> 00:34:01,710
So that's the question.
Go on then, you reflect.
837
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,770
First of all, what do you think
about if you saw that for the
838
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,730
first time?
What would you?
839
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:07,070
What do you think kids should be
doing to solve that question?
840
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,989
OK, I'm actually going to flip
it very quickly before I tell
841
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,120
you that because the context was
Hayden sent me this saying this
842
00:34:15,130 --> 00:34:17,480
is incredibly true.
This is not good.
843
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:21,010
This is a bad question.
They said it was really.
844
00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:23,080
Well, but then also a lot of
people were saying that then
845
00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:24,900
that the answers are not
synonyms.
846
00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:26,770
Yeah.
And and then my point was that
847
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:29,139
they are.
So, you know, we can talk about
848
00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:31,380
how difficult this question.
Is disagree, I guess because I
849
00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:33,239
don't think they are synonyms.
Real.
850
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:34,670
No, not anymore.
I've gone back around.
851
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:38,139
OK, so OK, let's go for it then.
So my point here is circle the
852
00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:40,719
two adjectives that are synonyms
in this sentence below.
853
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:43,500
Firstly, it's a circle, the two
adjectives.
854
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:46,920
So straight away what I would
expect children to do in this
855
00:34:46,929 --> 00:34:48,500
case is you need to find two
adjectives.
856
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,010
I'd be looking through the text
and I'd be finding two
857
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,429
adjectives.
You might argue, well that's
858
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,380
tricky because you might find 2
and then there's actually
859
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:56,920
another one.
Yeah, cause they're very used to
860
00:34:56,929 --> 00:34:59,330
having questions earlier on
which are circle the two
861
00:34:59,340 --> 00:35:01,410
objectives in this sentence and
there are only two and that's
862
00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:03,020
the point.
So firstly, I'd say that's
863
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:05,320
something you could argue is
just a bit of a trick.
864
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:08,260
Circle the two adjectives, but
they read on that are synonyms.
865
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:10,480
So that suggests that there are
maybe more than two.
866
00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:13,220
So I would look at this sentence
and I'd say, OK, well the
867
00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:15,520
adjectives that are only three
actually, and they come before a
868
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:17,340
noun.
So that's very bread and butter
869
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:21,520
for a year.
Adjectives are grand, modest and
870
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:23,880
imposing.
And then, then comes the
871
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:26,620
second-half of the question,
which is which to a synonyms.
872
00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:28,460
Yeah.
And again, in year six, I would
873
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:31,120
expect the average child to know
that synonyms means has the same
874
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:32,270
meaning.
Yeah, it means the same.
875
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,140
Thing words that mean the same.
So grand, modest and imposing.
876
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:40,260
My opinion is it's very obvious
that modest is the odd one out
877
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:41,260
there.
Yeah.
878
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,400
And I would be saying, OK, well,
even if you didn't know what
879
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:48,740
these words completely meant to
grand and imposing you, in my
880
00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:52,210
opinion, if you're at a higher
level of your GPS understanding
881
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:55,350
and if you can identify
adjectives and you know synonyms
882
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,590
means the same thing.
I actually think this is a
883
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,810
really good question to test
that Can you identify synonyms
884
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:02,570
even with you're unsure what
words fully mean?
885
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:07,700
And again, my point is we need
to have a scale of difficulty on
886
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:10,470
questions, otherwise we just go
for the lowest common
887
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,220
denominator and the whole test
would be really easy.
888
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:14,170
So yeah, yeah.
For example, a synonym question
889
00:36:14,180 --> 00:36:17,540
might be match the synonyms at
its most basic level.
890
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:18,390
Yeah.
And that was one like that
891
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,560
earlier.
Yeah, there you go.
892
00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:23,780
So this clearly has been
designed to put two kind of
893
00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:26,180
strands together, which alone
can be quite simple.
894
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:29,050
Then make it tricky because the
words are tricky as well with
895
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:31,060
word meaning.
And I think it's a really good
896
00:36:31,070 --> 00:36:34,260
last question is my opinion.
And what what was your biggest
897
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:36,050
issue with the question?
Let's dive into let's.
898
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:37,970
Is it?
Cause it's almost like it's not.
899
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:39,820
It's not like I just
fundamentally disagree with that
900
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:42,670
because I actually do over.
It's a separate point I thought.
901
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,800
You said your last question.
I think you can solve it in a
902
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:46,890
really interesting way.
Like you said, if you read the
903
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,710
modest cottage stood out amongst
its imposing neighbours.
904
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Yeah, from that sentence alone,
even if you didn't know what
905
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,910
modest imposing meant, knowing
their adjectives, the way their
906
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,890
sentence is phrased, you know
they mean opposite then.
907
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:57,330
Yeah.
Yeah.
908
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:59,070
So that immediately gets rid of
one of them.
909
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,410
And then you just have to work
out.
910
00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:02,820
The brand to be modest.
Exactly that.
911
00:37:02,830 --> 00:37:04,690
So we've test technique.
I think you can solve this
912
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,990
question and it's a really good
last hard question.
913
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,750
My problem with it was just
literally like the raw
914
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,520
understanding of of synonyms.
I just, I don't think that in
915
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:17,080
this sentence, and that's what I
want to stress.
916
00:37:17,090 --> 00:37:20,540
It says our synonyms in the
sentence below.
917
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:23,820
I don't think grand and imposing
are synonyms in that sentence.
918
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:27,000
I know they are synonyms outside
of the context of this question,
919
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:29,520
but I just don't think they are
synonyms, and they're not close
920
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:31,410
enough in meaning to.
Actually be though so.
921
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,970
So my point here is you're,
you're imposing a different
922
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:37,860
definition, by the way, as a
verb, because this is imposing
923
00:37:37,870 --> 00:37:40,030
as an adjective.
You are kind of put, you are
924
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,200
projecting your understanding of
these words onto this sentence.
925
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:46,870
In that sentence they are
actually used emphasise, are
926
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,520
they?
Yeah.
927
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:49,000
The street was lined with grand
houses.
928
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:50,710
Let's imagine, let's just
imagine it.
929
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,650
They mean big.
OK Yeah, the street was lined
930
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:54,900
with big houses.
The small cottage stood out
931
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:57,090
amongst its big neighbours.
Yeah, absolutely.
932
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,900
From the authors point of view,
you, you are kind of saying,
933
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:01,910
well, it's not used in this way.
And I was like, well, it could
934
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,370
be Yeah, it could be.
Because if we swap big, then
935
00:38:05,380 --> 00:38:06,610
that's exactly what the author
means.
936
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:09,370
And my, my only point here is if
you search what is the
937
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:12,590
definition of imposing?
Yeah, it the first word of the
938
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,440
definition is grand.
Yeah, I'm not gonna disagree
939
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:16,390
with that.
But my my point is, those two
940
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,310
words literally mean large.
And I think an argument that
941
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,860
says, well, I don't use it, I
use it, I use them in different
942
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:26,690
contexts is just irrelevant like
they.
943
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,210
Literally just been basically.
I don't think it's irrelevant.
944
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:32,300
I think it's relevant enough to
confuse children in this
945
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,730
because.
I think it's supposed to confuse
946
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:35,090
them.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
947
00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,310
I get question 50, but I just
think it went a bit too far.
948
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,470
I don't know, maybe it.
Didn't you're saying earlier in
949
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,430
the text it had a very simple
synonyms question?
950
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:44,010
So how on earth do we make
synonym questions harder?
951
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,150
There's only two ways in my
opinion, to make synonyms
952
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,370
question harder.
One pick words that no children
953
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:49,620
will know.
It's pointless.
954
00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:51,610
I think you did without the
context of the sentence, but
955
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:54,150
that would be just as hard if it
was like Brandon imposing.
956
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,410
Are they synonyms or?
Antonyms.
957
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:56,760
This.
This is this is my point,
958
00:38:56,770 --> 00:38:57,510
though.
Hmm.
959
00:38:57,550 --> 00:39:01,430
Like if what we're doing here is
we're making it trickier because
960
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,790
if we just did it straight up,
two words that children won't
961
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,730
have heard of.
Yeah.
962
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:07,630
That is literally Eva.
You're testing word knowledge
963
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,500
then.
Yeah.
964
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:10,470
You're not actually testing if
you know synonyms are.
965
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,380
What I think this question does
really well is you can know what
966
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:18,180
synonyms are and get to the
right answer without actually
967
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,830
fully knowing what these words
mean.
968
00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:22,560
That's the only testing what
synonyms.
969
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,570
Do do you think this is
interesting?
970
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:26,370
I thought I had when I was
talking to someone about it.
971
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,410
Do you think that this question
would be easier to do if you had
972
00:39:30,420 --> 00:39:33,910
never actually experienced the
words grand and imposing in real
973
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,280
life for force you had no
understanding?
974
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,710
It depends.
It depends how you've how you've
975
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,620
come across them.
There's a lot of assumption.
976
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:43,030
Going on, so you've never got my
point is you've never seen the
977
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,630
word grand or imposing before.
So it's like proper you just
978
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,710
going back to like you're just
using the whole thing that well,
979
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,930
I know modest and imposing must
be opposite based on that
980
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:52,670
sentence and you're using that
technique versus children who
981
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,390
maybe have a really good
understanding of what they've
982
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,110
seen grand use loads in text and
they've seen imposing user loads
983
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,790
in texts.
Yeah, I guess my overall point
984
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,050
here is I think it's a
disadvantage to know what they
985
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,940
mean and and.
Because I think the overlap is
986
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:07,500
so small and not used in real
life like grand is is
987
00:40:07,570 --> 00:40:10,220
exclusively used exclusive easy
isn't.
988
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:12,710
It it's not exclusive.
It's not exclusive, though.
989
00:40:12,750 --> 00:40:14,150
I don't think so.
No one uses grounded.
990
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,800
We'll never.
It will never be used not to be
991
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:18,140
a positive.
Connotation is very often but
992
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:20,690
and again, OK, so I guess my
whole point stepping back again,
993
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,200
there is fine.
Like it is used as a positive
994
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:26,230
word, but it's always used to
mean big.
995
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,050
And if someone uses it in a way
that doesn't mean big, they're
996
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:31,060
using the word incorrectly.
We can't.
997
00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:33,480
We can't.
You can't, you know, gonna test.
998
00:40:33,490 --> 00:40:35,810
Well, some people get this
wrong, so we won't put it in.
999
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,600
No, that's the reason why it's
been putting in.
1000
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:38,020
Yeah.
Yeah.
1001
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:41,010
Because if someone uses grand
and it's not large, then they're
1002
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:42,800
wrong.
But that is not what the way
1003
00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:44,430
means.
And if someone's using imposing
1004
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,720
only in a negative context, that
that doesn't mean it doesn't
1005
00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:50,610
mean big, it means it means big
and scary.
1006
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,940
Yeah, but like the point you can
argue that that doesn't mean big
1007
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,300
in that one imposing neighbours
that that is probably more often
1008
00:40:56,310 --> 00:40:58,840
used to mean like neighbours
that are like literally like
1009
00:40:58,850 --> 00:41:00,760
getting, getting in your way,
they're overbearing or.
1010
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:02,090
Their overwhelming.
That's using.
1011
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,450
That's using the verb, not the
adjective.
1012
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:06,640
No, I I can impose my name is
encroaching on someone.
1013
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:09,070
I I've got imposing neighbours.
I could say that the house is
1014
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,440
exactly the same size as mine,
but why they say they're not
1015
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:12,460
imposing?
That's my point.
1016
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,980
You're using the word wrong that
you haven't got imposing them
1017
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:16,580
because they're bigger than you.
No, I could do.
1018
00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:18,180
I could be describing them as
imposing, surely.
1019
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:19,830
How?
Because they're like they're
1020
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,690
overbearing.
They're they're they're.
1021
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,170
Being so large in a different
sense.
1022
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:26,780
Yeah, but like metaphorically.
Yeah, but why?
1023
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:28,150
Why is that?
There doesn't have to be
1024
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,700
physical size, right?
Now.
1025
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:32,360
But it's just my name is just
supposing without specifically
1026
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:33,600
meaning they are physically.
Matter.
1027
00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:36,100
I also think in that case you're
using a slightly different
1028
00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:37,630
definition.
Yeah, but you don't know what
1029
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,960
the definition it could be
either in that one.
1030
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:40,600
There's no reason to believe
that that.
1031
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:42,490
So you're.
Saying neighbours is kind of
1032
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,280
like the size of the house.
So do you think never in
1033
00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:46,980
synonyms questions we should use
words that have more than one
1034
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:49,470
meaning?
No, but there's no way to
1035
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,150
actually know in that one.
There is because it's either
1036
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,660
modest or grand like that.
There there.
1037
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:55,990
There are no other synonyms in
that.
1038
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,570
Question, you know, I know, but
I'm just saying you could argue
1039
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,790
and we're just gonna assume that
when we're saying posing
1040
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,750
neighbours, we talk about the
size of the houses was it could
1041
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,610
that it could very like
legitimately mean they're
1042
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:06,910
imposing.
Fine, that's fine.
1043
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,680
But I'm saying so in any case
where there's more than one
1044
00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:12,570
definition for a word, you could
say, well, it might mean this.
1045
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,510
Yeah, that's fine, but the next
word should actually just make
1046
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,530
it clear that is one context or
the other if it's if.
1047
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:19,290
It's important.
I, I think I just disagree.
1048
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:23,390
I think this is just a hard
question and I I can't get over
1049
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,180
the fact that they literally
mean the same thing.
1050
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:27,390
Like, honestly, someone could
sit there for an hour and
1051
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,740
explain to me how they've used
it wrong in the past.
1052
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,480
Or other people might use it in
a different context.
1053
00:42:31,530 --> 00:42:34,510
Like I, I, my response always
would be yeah, but they do mean
1054
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,560
they they mean.
Big.
1055
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,060
I reckon even taking out the in
the sentence below would
1056
00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:40,850
actually help a little in terms
of they're just synonyms,
1057
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:42,740
because I just think it's such a
big argument for that that
1058
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:44,530
they're not.
They're as far away from
1059
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:47,290
synonyms as it gets in the
context of that sentence with
1060
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:48,790
two words that are technically
synonymous.
1061
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,930
Dictionary definition.
That's my point I guess,
1062
00:42:51,340 --> 00:42:53,780
overall.
Yeah, I don't know.
1063
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:55,470
I don't know.
Yeah, it's funny cause I've just
1064
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,170
gone for the black and white
route of.
1065
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,270
Yeah, the Arsenal games.
Though they mean the same thing.
1066
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,230
Though, Yeah, no, I know.
I get it.
1067
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:00,950
Yeah.
And it's not wrong.
1068
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,730
Like that's all.
I will make that really clear.
1069
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:03,890
Yeah.
I don't think this question is
1070
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,650
incorrect or wrong.
I just think it's really hard
1071
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:06,810
and and I was trying to explore
why.
1072
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:07,930
I don't know what you guys
think.
1073
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:10,830
I'm I again, I I don't want
people to think I'm saying it's
1074
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:13,050
a easy question.
No, no, no, it's a hard
1075
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:15,450
question.
I'm simply arguing that it's not
1076
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,390
a bad.
Question.
1077
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,350
It's solvable.
Yeah, it's it's a hard question,
1078
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,600
which isn't wrong.
Yeah, and lots of kids have got
1079
00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:24,290
it right with the exact logic as
we thought of and they wouldn't
1080
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:25,680
have remotely thought what I'm
thinking of.
1081
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:28,270
No, I just or they might have
known that grounded imposing.
1082
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,580
Both mean big because they.
Do.
1083
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:31,960
Yeah, yeah, which is true.
I can't argue with that.
1084
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:32,600
They do mean.
Cool.
1085
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:35,160
There's another question.
Yeah, this was in a maths.
1086
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:37,510
I found this fascinating.
I want to explain exactly what
1087
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,380
happened in this situation.
So this is from the master paper
1088
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:42,780
for year six children who are 10
and 11 year olds.
1089
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:45,810
What did someone find?
A more interesting way, I'm
1090
00:43:45,820 --> 00:43:48,280
gonna read out two questions to
you, and I want you to just you
1091
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:51,290
can tell me and you can think if
you're listening, what the
1092
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:51,900
difference is.
Really.
1093
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:54,770
I guess there's one question.
OK, that zoom in, I can't read
1094
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:56,430
it.
Chin.
1095
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,370
Good old Chen Chen buys these
four items.
1096
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:00,390
I wonder what test this was from
Rechen.
1097
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,980
Yeah.
Yeah, OK, For items you got 670
1098
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:09,170
grammes of apples, 1 LB fifty,
400 grammes of bread for nought
1099
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:14,440
#71 reading, as it says.
Other women certainly pay full
1100
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:15,400
impact of the pound.
Sign.
1101
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:16,770
Not every time.
So it's in Pence.
1102
00:44:16,850 --> 00:44:19,730
Not pounds, yeah, not pounds.
500 grammes of butter, but
1103
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:21,980
there's no price.
And then there's 750 grammes of
1104
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:24,390
cereal for ��1.45.
And it says Chen pays for the
1105
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360
four items with a ��10 note.
The price of the butter is not
1106
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:30,600
shown.
She receives ��3.85 change.
1107
00:44:30,610 --> 00:44:31,720
So what was the price of the
butter?
1108
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:32,740
That's a fantastic.
Question.
1109
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:34,330
Great question.
I love that question is really
1110
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:35,470
good.
And there's another question I'm
1111
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,180
gonna read to you.
Danny buys one loaf of bread for
1112
00:44:38,190 --> 00:44:43,900
one pound, 21 bottle of milk for
70 P, It says 70 P this time 2
1113
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:46,740
packets of cheese with ��2.30.
Each packet.
1114
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:50,700
Danny pays with a ��10 note.
He says I should get ��3.30
1115
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:52,460
change.
Is Danny correct?
1116
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:54,540
You must show how to get your
answer.
1117
00:44:55,150 --> 00:44:58,300
They're two very different, 22
very similar sorry questions.
1118
00:44:58,390 --> 00:45:00,920
One is from the year 6 Sats and
one is from GCSE.
1119
00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:03,780
And people might already be
like, well that's crazy.
1120
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:05,920
I don't think that's crazy
because actually the GCSE does
1121
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:08,270
go right back and it's like the
Sats has year three questions
1122
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,690
in.
The GC also has some easier
1123
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:10,740
questions in it.
That's fine.
1124
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,570
I'd argue the GC one is actually
easier.
1125
00:45:12,610 --> 00:45:14,040
Yeah, I'd say it's a little bit
easier the.
1126
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:16,970
Missing unknown like you know.
Exactly that and, and the
1127
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:18,680
problem people have in this, I
got this from Facebook, the
1128
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:21,980
problem people were having was
that GCSE one gives you 3 marks,
1129
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:23,540
right?
And it's two marks on the Sats
1130
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:25,590
question.
And their point was for God's
1131
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
sake, why are 11 year olds like
expected to do this kind of in
1132
00:45:28,450 --> 00:45:30,120
two steps?
Because it can be done in two
1133
00:45:30,130 --> 00:45:33,280
steps, by the way, both of them.
But like in GC, they're awarded
1134
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:34,930
kind of more marks.
And I guess the straight up
1135
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:38,240
counter argument could be maybe
everything proportionally gives
1136
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:40,790
you more Marks and GCSE's, in
which case it's it's an
1137
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,850
irrelevant comparison then if
everything gives you a bit more
1138
00:45:42,860 --> 00:45:44,300
marks.
Anyway, I would also argue that
1139
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:47,200
the GCSE one, there are two
steps mathematically, but then
1140
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:49,230
you also have to explain whether
he's right or wrong.
1141
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,120
Yeah, so you are, you are
actually doing another step
1142
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:51,660
there.
Yeah.
1143
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:54,120
So it says, is Daisy correct?
You must show evidence.
1144
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:56,770
So you're getting your two marks
for doing your maths, and then
1145
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:58,150
you've got to write a sentence
to explain.
1146
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,760
What you do actually because is
there any correct?
1147
00:45:59,770 --> 00:46:02,370
Could be yes or no and I think
the evidence is just the maths
1148
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:04,350
like it would be in the.
Here I'm using the masking
1149
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,480
productivity I'm assuming.
I'm assuming there's a mark for
1150
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:08,220
saying.
Yes or no, you must show how you
1151
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:08,720
get your.
Answer.
1152
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:09,620
I don't know.
I don't.
1153
00:46:09,630 --> 00:46:12,860
Know, but yeah, it's interesting
how they're thirty of the same
1154
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:16,600
sort of questions.
Yeah, four years later.
1155
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:18,960
There was something else in that
question I saw a lot of people
1156
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:23,420
say and I, I really disagree
with them again, which is that
1157
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,870
in this question you've just
described, again, if you
1158
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,220
remember Hayden reading out, he
read all the weights of the
1159
00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:32,680
items that they've purchased.
And at no point in the question
1160
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:35,540
are the weights used to get to
the answer relevant.
1161
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:39,260
And I, my opinion on that is
that I completely sympathise
1162
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:42,880
with people who say, oh, they're
10 and 11, Why are we giving
1163
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:44,240
them information they don't
need?
1164
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,970
Solved question because it's
hard enough to understand that
1165
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:49,650
they've got to find the total of
the amount that's there, work
1166
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:52,430
out the change and then what's
left still for how much the
1167
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,730
butter.
But, and I would completely
1168
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:55,830
agree with those people.
And I would say if that if the
1169
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,210
weights were in this question, I
wouldn't bat an eyelid.
1170
00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:00,410
I'd be like, cool, that's still
a fantastic question.
1171
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,410
I still think it's a fantastic
question.
1172
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,670
But I, I think it's fair in a
problem solving question to put
1173
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,030
information that children have
to decide whether it's relevant
1174
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,310
or not.
And I would argue that it's not
1175
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,910
hard in that question to very
quickly figure out that the
1176
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,550
grammes aren't relevant.
Yeah.
1177
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,270
And and that's a very small step
to take in terms of problem
1178
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,190
solving.
And I would say that is testing
1179
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,530
problem solving.
And for a child finishing
1180
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:28,000
primary school, I think it's
acceptable to expect a child to
1181
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:29,000
know that they don't need to
know.
1182
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:31,790
The grounds I agree, even though
it's a maybe an overload of
1183
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480
information that it is so easy
to tell it's not relevant in
1184
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:37,650
that question.
I think people's more wider
1185
00:47:37,660 --> 00:47:40,570
point was that it's not there's
not a problem with this
1186
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:42,210
question.
It's more that it happened too
1187
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:44,280
often in the paper.
People were saying they were
1188
00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:47,360
just one too many questions
where they were just putting in
1189
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:49,770
these really intricate traps of
extra information they don't
1190
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:50,830
need.
It was like, OK, we get the
1191
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,840
point.
It's kind of like you talk about
1192
00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:53,580
the answer box.
Yeah, you take it was like,
1193
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:55,860
yeah, OK, we, you get the idea
that it's good to see if they
1194
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:57,770
can interpret the answer box in
different places, but eight
1195
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:59,760
times, because if they can't now
they got it wrong 8 times.
1196
00:47:59,770 --> 00:48:02,430
Like, do we really need to make
every single question have all
1197
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,070
these extra information that's
not needed?
1198
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,330
I think that was the overall
point.
1199
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:06,770
And I don't really think that
was the case.
1200
00:48:06,780 --> 00:48:08,230
I think people exaggerate a
little bit.
1201
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,230
I thought most of the paper was
was OK.
1202
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,240
The 2nd paper was just
particularly tricky.
1203
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,340
And you know what, the last five
or six questions on the
1204
00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:16,790
reasoning papers are
traditionally much, much harder.
1205
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,570
Really high level year 6
reasoning.
1206
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:21,020
Problems, that's why it's it's
actually a really, in my
1207
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:24,340
opinion, a very, you know, high
level to get to greater depth in
1208
00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:25,830
maths.
I think it's a really good
1209
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,300
achievement, yeah.
And if a child gets greater
1210
00:48:28,310 --> 00:48:30,900
depth in them year six Sats, I
think they're a fantastic.
1211
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:31,990
Mathematician.
Yeah, definitely.
1212
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,050
It's very hard to get that
again.
1213
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:34,470
Yeah, it's not easy.
It's not easy.
1214
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,050
Whereas I would say reading,
although I'd say you're a
1215
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:39,510
fantastic reader.
Thank you.
1216
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,050
I'd say getting great depth from
reading is still obviously
1217
00:48:44,060 --> 00:48:47,110
really impressive, but I I would
expect it from more children.
1218
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,970
Do you think?
Yeah, there's just from what I
1219
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:52,330
see in terms of the, the, the
marks a bit lower.
1220
00:48:52,340 --> 00:48:54,140
There's a lot of technique to
get there, unfortunately.
1221
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:57,610
Yeah, I would say that there are
a lot more fantastic readers
1222
00:48:57,620 --> 00:49:00,810
than fantastic mathematicians
just from my day-to-day.
1223
00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:03,010
Experience with them.
Quick question for you, slightly
1224
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:05,160
side track, but it's still
saturated our having a
1225
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:08,450
discussion with our SLT recently
because context everybody else
1226
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:10,450
ask at the moment we're going
through some English changes.
1227
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:12,860
We're trying to just up level
our English really our whole
1228
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:14,250
curriculum.
So we're really, really thinking
1229
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,220
about it and taking it slowly
and just making sure we get the
1230
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:19,480
foundations.
And, um, we were having a
1231
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:23,120
discussion about reading and I
forgot what I was going to say.
1232
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:28,250
What were you just saying?
What?
1233
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:31,720
Was talking about in general, as
a teacher, what's going wrong?
1234
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:32,850
You do have amnesia.
Yeah.
1235
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:35,930
As a teacher, in general, I
think there are more better
1236
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,950
readers.
Ohh, yeah.
1237
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,920
That.
I'm gonna finish what I'm
1238
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:39,140
saying.
I'm gonna finish one second,
1239
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:40,910
please.
There are more better readers.
1240
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,690
And I'm interested what people
think about this.
1241
00:49:42,750 --> 00:49:45,290
There are more people I put a
high level of reading than a
1242
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:47,050
high level of maths.
I mean, it's harder to get to a
1243
00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:47,990
high level of maths.
Sure.
1244
00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:49,370
Yeah, OK, that's fair enough.
Cool.
1245
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:50,890
Back to my point, because I
remember it now.
1246
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:52,550
So the to get expected in.
Reading.
1247
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,870
Good job.
Stop editing, wasn't it?
1248
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200
We could be straight into this,
sat through me talking now
1249
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:59,860
didn't, and Hayden having a
moment where his eyes honestly
1250
00:49:59,870 --> 00:50:01,880
died inside.
Yeah, yeah.
1251
00:50:01,930 --> 00:50:04,670
So to get expected in reading,
you gotta gotta still, OK.
1252
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:08,110
Generally, Generally across the
years, about half the marks on
1253
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,320
the reading paper gets you
expected right, which is quite
1254
00:50:10,530 --> 00:50:11,860
pretty forgiving.
Isn't it?
1255
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:14,490
Yeah.
Pretty much sometimes, but
1256
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:17,640
whatever, it's around half.
And my point is always when I
1257
00:50:17,650 --> 00:50:22,530
talk to it, I was like, I reckon
we could never, ever, ever teach
1258
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:25,420
comprehension in the style of
testing, right?
1259
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:27,280
Sure.
We just teach kids to read and
1260
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:30,710
like books and we will.
It wouldn't really make a
1261
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,110
difference to our our data
because I fundamentally believe
1262
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:36,960
that those papers are forgiving
enough that children that can
1263
00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:39,900
just read at age expected level
will get expected anyway.
1264
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:41,010
This is kind of what I'm getting
at.
1265
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:42,360
I agree.
That's what I mean, like when I
1266
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:44,810
say if you're just a really good
reader, yeah, you will just do
1267
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:46,420
well on that test.
Yeah, that's what I think.
1268
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:47,530
I really do.
I really believe that.
1269
00:50:47,540 --> 00:50:49,230
And I'd be willing to bet that
obviously it's not the kind of
1270
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,020
bet that some schools will be
like, OK, let's just gamble.
1271
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:54,400
And you were worried about them.
But I really, it's such a low
1272
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:57,940
threshold to get age expected.
It's like yeah OK, all test
1273
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:59,590
technique might have got your
extra 3 Marks and.
1274
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,620
We'll test technique, help
children who can't read properly
1275
00:51:01,630 --> 00:51:03,680
suddenly read.
Properly, no, it's just not get.
1276
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:06,470
It just helps them.
Maybe over the line Maybe.
1277
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,000
It looks good for the score, but
not better.
1278
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:09,560
Readers, do they love reading?
Yeah.
1279
00:51:09,570 --> 00:51:11,200
Do they get exposed to lots of
genres?
1280
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:13,500
That's what whole class reading
is fantastic and it's the way to
1281
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:14,980
go.
Yeah, definitely, absolutely.
1282
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:17,940
I'm all for that now.
I'm really, really switched my
1283
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:20,640
mindset away from because you
know, we've done a lot of tests,
1284
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:23,050
style questions.
We look at old papers and you
1285
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:26,050
got right, Mark, the classic 3.
Any teacher listening that will
1286
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:27,340
know this.
Yeah, let's have a look at 3
1287
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:28,780
Mark questions guys and how to
answer them.
1288
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:30,140
You need two points and one
evidence.
1289
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:32,300
There's only ever two that come
up on a paper, Yeah.
1290
00:51:32,310 --> 00:51:34,190
And it's so easy to get one or
two marks.
1291
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,270
Yeah, even without any
understanding of those questions
1292
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,360
about generally.
I completely agree.
1293
00:51:38,370 --> 00:51:41,300
Shift the mindset, enjoy
reading, get better at reading.
1294
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:42,880
That's all that.
I don't have a problem with
1295
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:45,130
people saying it by the way, if
I don't have a problem with
1296
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:47,100
someone saying to their kids
this is how you answer these
1297
00:51:47,110 --> 00:51:50,060
efficiently.
But doing it to death years and
1298
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:52,040
years and years and years over
and over and lessons all the
1299
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:53,320
time.
Like it's just unnecessary.
1300
00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:55,590
Just focus on getting your kids
to like reading books.
1301
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:57,640
That is it.
They will pass the test if they
1302
00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:59,400
just like reading and therefore
can read.
1303
00:51:59,470 --> 00:52:02,020
And that is their wider issue
with the tests at all.
1304
00:52:02,090 --> 00:52:05,280
Yeah, Is that it's only because
they exist that we're even
1305
00:52:05,290 --> 00:52:06,720
having this.
Discussion, though ironically,
1306
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:09,400
we probably stopped teaching.
Kids, the Sats didn't exist,
1307
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:11,940
right?
It wouldn't even be a question
1308
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:14,040
as to how we're doing this.
Yeah, but what, You're gonna
1309
00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:15,720
read a book?
Yeah, we're gonna read this
1310
00:52:15,730 --> 00:52:17,180
amazing book with these kids and
they're gonna.
1311
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:18,640
Love it.
I would go as far as arguing
1312
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:20,820
that kids would be better
readers on average across the
1313
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:22,680
whole country if we didn't have
Sats.
1314
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:24,980
Yeah, because I think our
natural instinct would be to do
1315
00:52:24,990 --> 00:52:26,860
it right.
But Howard Gillian Keegan in her
1316
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:28,430
election campaign say every 5
minutes.
1317
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,530
We've got the best readers of
the Muslim world.
1318
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:32,410
Yeah, they can pass the test.
We.
1319
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,820
Do we?
Do we have the best readers in
1320
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:36,820
the Western world?
Well, do you know what?
1321
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:39,250
It comes at a horrible price
that kids resent reading.
1322
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:41,070
Yeah, it's a shame Labour
brought in too much testing,
1323
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,520
wasn't it?
Done.
1324
00:52:41,530 --> 00:52:42,680
Yeah, they did.
They did, They did.
1325
00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:44,370
And we're going to talk about
politics right now.
1326
00:52:44,380 --> 00:52:45,330
Actually, we're gonna go into
it.
1327
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:46,790
We've heard quite a long episode
so far.
1328
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,400
But we, we do really want to
talk about selection.
1329
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:49,910
So let's talk about it.
Cool.
1330
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,850
This week, OK, well, if you're
listening, I guess last week it
1331
00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:57,850
was announced that the general
election will be happening on
1332
00:52:57,860 --> 00:53:00,370
the 4th of July.
OK, you're going to get scared.
1333
00:53:00,380 --> 00:53:02,270
You scared of you?
Anyone listening to this knows
1334
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,750
that there is a theme running
through our podcast where we're
1335
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,390
not worried about talking about
politics, basing and holding
1336
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,250
people to account.
So I wanted just to start by
1337
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:14,030
saying we will talk politics in
these next few weeks.
1338
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,810
It's just bound.
To Can I start by saying sorry
1339
00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:17,230
in advance?
I'm really sorry.
1340
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,030
Dylan is unbelievably passionate
about.
1341
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,910
Politics.
So yeah, I am passionate.
1342
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,650
I am passionate.
However, I wanna just outline a
1343
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:24,790
few things I found a lot
interesting in the last week or
1344
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,370
so and I found myself in a
position that I've never been in
1345
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:31,410
during an election.
So I want to lay it all out
1346
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:32,680
there.
But the point is it's going to
1347
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:34,450
be a general election.
We know it's coming this year.
1348
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,790
No one thought it was going to
be in the 4th of July.
1349
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:43,260
I can hear the Hayden's little I
I thought no like it will be the
1350
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:44,550
end of the year.
Lots of people thought that
1351
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,450
because what I would Rishi Sunak
done sooner.
1352
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:48,490
He's so far behind, but he's
called it yeah.
1353
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:50,800
It's gonna be in the middle of
the EUR Hmm, middle of the
1354
00:53:50,810 --> 00:53:55,190
summer, very random.
And anyway, so I just want to
1355
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,410
start off by saying to people,
we said we were gonna talk about
1356
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:02,700
the election this week.
And straight away I thought to
1357
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:04,650
myself, right, God, I need to
brush up.
1358
00:54:04,740 --> 00:54:06,150
I need to brush up my knowledge
about this.
1359
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,860
I want to get things right.
If I'm going to be sat in the
1360
00:54:07,870 --> 00:54:09,950
podcast talking about it,
putting out to people and
1361
00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:11,810
clearly saying my views and
opinions.
1362
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:14,610
And, and I know for a fact,
Hayden, you probably thought
1363
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:17,250
I've got, I don't know anything.
About that, I'm way less in
1364
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,590
politics than you.
I really try to avoid it at
1365
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,680
most.
And a lot of people do.
1366
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,620
And a lot of people I spoke to
at school kind of said, what
1367
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:24,000
does that mean?
Then when I said they'll be an
1368
00:54:24,010 --> 00:54:27,150
election, I was like, I had to
remember that not everyone's me.
1369
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,510
Like, yeah, I live on Wednesdays
at lunchtime.
1370
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,250
I put Prime Minister's Questions
on like, that's just whether
1371
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:34,190
it's, you know, whether it's,
you know, happening or not,
1372
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,910
That's just what I do, whether
it's an election.
1373
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:39,150
So I know that I am part of the
less than 1% of people who
1374
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,870
really keep out of this kind of
stuff.
1375
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:43,890
But then I thought to myself, I
don't need to brush up.
1376
00:54:43,980 --> 00:54:46,010
No, I don't actually.
And you don't either.
1377
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:47,470
No.
And that's really important
1378
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,250
because this is a general
election.
1379
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:53,630
Everyone gets a vote.
So actually us like swatting up
1380
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640
on stuff beforehand and getting
knowledgeable about ohh, it's
1381
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:57,750
exactly this.
That's not really
1382
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,330
representative, is it?
Because if, if we weren't doing
1383
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:02,690
this podcast, you'd trundle
through your life and then come
1384
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:03,840
July 4th, you'd vote for you
gonna.
1385
00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:05,750
Vote for represent you normal
people out there that will just
1386
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,500
sort of read the odd headline
the other article and then get
1387
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:10,730
overwhelmed by it all and just
wait for Dylan to tell you
1388
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:12,090
what's.
Going on, we have a little chat
1389
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,770
and just just just dive straight
in.
1390
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,530
So I hope people at home, you
know, feel free.
1391
00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:18,070
Please Fact Check us.
You know, a lot of it's just
1392
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,010
going to be opinion, a lot of
it, and I'm gonna talk about
1393
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:24,770
that so.
Where do you wanna start?
1394
00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:26,180
I've been making some Instagram
reels.
1395
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:28,830
OK, so straight away, so I'll be
really honest, I'm gonna lay my
1396
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,900
cards on the on the line here
table.
1397
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:36,580
Yeah, wow, that's made-up.
Maybe I'll say I am incredibly
1398
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:42,000
sorry, incredibly excited by the
prospect of the conservatives
1399
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:45,380
not being in power anymore.
Yeah, I am incredibly anti
1400
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:48,730
conservative.
I think the whole idea of what
1401
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:51,180
they stand for and more
importantly what they've
1402
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:56,650
actually done, I'm talking about
a track record now since 2010 is
1403
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,270
dreadful.
And I've seen the decimation of
1404
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,920
education, having worked in it
as well.
1405
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,110
And I've seen the decimation of
funding and I've seen the level
1406
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:09,710
of standards that we allow our
children to get drop off.
1407
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,510
And the only reason those levels
are where they should be is
1408
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,010
because of the hard work and
determination of people who work
1409
00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:18,130
in school.
So I don't think the government
1410
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:21,000
have done any favours for us
whatsoever, but we've seen
1411
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:22,890
there's only so much we can
actually do about correct
1412
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,080
funding and we've seen the
provision for our most
1413
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:27,360
vulnerable kids drop through the
floor.
1414
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:31,140
We've seen it in front of us.
We've seen that we can't afford
1415
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:33,680
our heating bills anymore
because the energy price cap
1416
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:36,280
came in for households, but it
did not come in for schools
1417
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,600
because it's classes like a
business or a separate thing.
1418
00:56:38,670 --> 00:56:41,020
So schools never got a cap on
their energy prices, they just
1419
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,780
doubled.
Schools are ordering books and
1420
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:45,500
paper for their children to do
stuff in.
1421
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:48,190
That cost is just doubled.
I was talking to the person who
1422
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,520
orders books in our school two
years ago.
1423
00:56:50,590 --> 00:56:53,120
It costs ��1500 to get all the
books for the year.
1424
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:56,030
Now it costs ��2800 to get all
the books of the year.
1425
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,230
No more.
So I said to him, ohh, it's a
1426
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,270
good job at least budgets
doubled sarcastically.
1427
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,000
And he went no, no they haven't.
I was like, I know I'm just
1428
00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:05,690
joking, but these are the things
that you don't see and and that
1429
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:09,550
1300 LB extra that we've got to
find now for the books just to
1430
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,410
deliver children.
The curriculum that has to come
1431
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:15,070
from somewhere.
So that's coming from, I don't
1432
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,380
know, maybe a TA we.
Can't.
1433
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:18,490
Either way, we're talking about
exercise books.
1434
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,550
We're not even talking about
like actual reading, but we're
1435
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,650
talking about blank books for
them to write their work in.
1436
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,510
Quick thing about actual work,
by the way.
1437
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:27,270
Had a discussion with the other
day and we were trying to think
1438
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,950
of other ways around buying
books because we literally can't
1439
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,270
afford the reading books.
Yeah, literally can't afford
1440
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,500
them.
Like we do not have the budget.
1441
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:36,130
We're gonna have to think of
another way to show kids books.
1442
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,720
So that was like brilliant.
The the big thing that I wanted
1443
00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:41,370
to talk about here is, and I
want people to understand this,
1444
00:57:41,380 --> 00:57:44,330
like whatever you want to vote
for, whoever you, whoever you,
1445
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:46,550
there are a lot of people sat
there going ohh, but I don't
1446
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,530
like Labour.
I don't I like Labour probably
1447
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:51,820
the least I've ever liked Labour
right now in terms of they're
1448
00:57:51,830 --> 00:57:53,860
not exciting to me.
They seem very close to the
1449
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:56,380
Conservatives and a lot of stuff
in terms of we'll see, Yeah.
1450
00:57:56,430 --> 00:57:58,650
And I really want them over the
next few weeks to come out with
1451
00:57:58,660 --> 00:58:00,380
some stuff I've seen when I
lower the voting age.
1452
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:01,800
And that's brilliant.
To me.
1453
00:58:01,810 --> 00:58:04,180
That's very anti establishment.
Yeah, I like that because I
1454
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:06,620
don't think many people in
places of power would actually
1455
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:08,940
be thinking that's a good idea,
because it would, it tends to be
1456
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:10,560
against.
Traditionally, younger people
1457
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:12,300
vote Labour.
And people vote, so of course it
1458
00:58:12,310 --> 00:58:13,770
makes sense for Labour want to
do that.
1459
00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:15,700
Yeah.
So I quite like that.
1460
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:17,120
But you know what?
Ignore that for a second,
1461
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:20,540
because what winds me up, and I
want people to do more of
1462
00:58:20,550 --> 00:58:24,080
instead is judge on what's
happened.
1463
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:26,940
The people who have been in
charge 14 years.
1464
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:29,480
Rather than imagine what other
people might have done in
1465
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:31,200
charge.
Yeah, and, and I can't deal
1466
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:35,080
anymore with anything going
wrong and someone saying, yeah,
1467
00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:37,700
because Gordon Brown sold the
bloody gold for peanuts.
1468
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:40,600
No, it's not though, is it?
It's not because of something
1469
00:58:40,610 --> 00:58:41,860
happened in 2008.
Really.
1470
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:44,030
At this point, austerity was a
choice.
1471
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,300
And he might argue it was a good
choice.
1472
00:58:45,310 --> 00:58:47,540
We had to do it because of the
global situation.
1473
00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:48,880
Fine.
But it was still a choice.
1474
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:50,860
The the level we went to for the
cards.
1475
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:53,810
And.
And, yeah, when someone says
1476
00:58:54,070 --> 00:58:55,440
they're all the same, aren't
they?
1477
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:58,150
They're not, they're not all the
same.
1478
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,710
Now that's the point.
And do you know what?
1479
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,640
If they are all the same?
Right.
1480
00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:03,370
Let's try the other ones for a
bit then.
1481
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,710
Yeah, let's just see, shall we?
So, you know if Tory and Labour
1482
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,870
are the same, which they're not.
But if they were.
1483
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,640
OK, cool.
Well, have the the one, the one
1484
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:13,050
thing that I've had power 14
years.
1485
00:59:13,060 --> 00:59:14,070
Have you liked what they've
done?
1486
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,780
Do you feel better off because
of what they've done?
1487
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:16,980
No.
OK, well, I'll try the other
1488
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:19,650
thing that you're saying.
It might not be, but it is the
1489
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:20,770
same.
What's grounded?
1490
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:23,750
Imposing, isn't it?
It's like, oh, they're all the
1491
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:24,550
same.
They mean the same.
1492
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,550
Yeah, they're not really.
They are.
1493
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,140
They never actually used in the
same, actually completely
1494
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:29,980
different and never use the same
ever.
1495
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:31,820
So I don't think Labour and Tory
are synonyms.
1496
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:34,160
So.
Funny, all the same, they are.
1497
00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:37,040
All the same, in that they both
mean politicians.
1498
00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:41,640
Ohh need joking your brain like.
I'm worried like what my
1499
00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:43,100
argument?
If you're wrong actually.
1500
00:59:43,110 --> 00:59:47,440
It's OK to what I think, Yeah.
And the thing that honestly gets
1501
00:59:47,450 --> 00:59:49,600
me wound up the most, I've been
making quite a few reels about
1502
00:59:49,610 --> 00:59:52,560
politics and it's hilarious
because some hit the algorithm
1503
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:54,450
and they just go to people.
They've got nothing to do with
1504
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:57,300
teaching obviously causing
politics post and the amount of
1505
00:59:57,310 --> 01:00:01,250
people seen who go all the same.
You should just fight reform.
1506
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,050
I'm like ohh that that's the
thing you shouldn't do what
1507
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:07,450
makes.
What on earth makes you think
1508
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,030
that reform are better than them
too?
1509
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,210
Why do you not automatically
think reform are the same?
1510
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:14,740
Like because they sound like
they want to reform.
1511
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:16,730
It's in the name.
It's like it's just run by a
1512
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:17,770
millionaire who.
Backed rolls.
1513
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:19,230
You realise it's a bunch of ex
bankers?
1514
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,290
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, like this is the
1515
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:23,550
establishment you're saying?
You are fight against on social
1516
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,320
media reform.
It's I don't know about anyone
1517
01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:26,730
that just on like TikTok,
Instagram.
1518
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:29,010
Reels on one of the things that
makes about 15 over the.
1519
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,960
Cheers all round about all the
comments.
1520
01:00:32,970 --> 01:00:35,510
Are anything politically like
I'm voting reform, reform.
1521
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,710
It is just a flood of it.
But you know what was exactly
1522
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,160
the same?
It was the same with UKIP.
1523
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:40,780
Remember everyone, everyone
vote.
1524
01:00:40,790 --> 01:00:42,530
UKIP was unbelievably loud about
it.
1525
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:45,710
Yeah, ohh, vote UKIP, right.
You only about Ukip's like OK,
1526
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,350
I'll just ignore it now, the
reformers or whatever.
1527
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,990
And it's like, OK, you can talk
about conspiracies and if you
1528
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,530
think people putting, I think
corporations absolutely are
1529
01:00:52,540 --> 01:00:54,990
putting their fingers in all the
pies and influencing people.
1530
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,760
And when business come out and
say they're supporting Labour
1531
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:59,510
now, it's actually a bit of a
red flag.
1532
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:01,210
Me, I don't think that's an
amazing thing.
1533
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:02,840
You can see why the
establishment might think it's a
1534
01:01:02,850 --> 01:01:04,530
good thing or the papers or
whatever.
1535
01:01:04,580 --> 01:01:07,020
But when like, you know, if
Walmart, you know, they're
1536
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:09,410
American, like come out and sell
Tesco, come and say, yeah, we're
1537
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:12,010
backing Labour.
I'm like, ohh, yeah, that's
1538
01:01:12,020 --> 01:01:14,240
weird because for me, Labour
stands for the working rights of
1539
01:01:14,250 --> 01:01:14,830
the people.
Yeah.
1540
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,870
And I don't feel like you would
care much about that at all.
1541
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:20,410
So like, whilst people might be
like, ohh, that's cool.
1542
01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:22,810
Personally, that's not that's
making me.
1543
01:01:22,820 --> 01:01:24,890
Less it just gives you an idea
that maybe Labour have more
1544
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:27,390
centric than they are.
They're right in the centre,
1545
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,330
they're right in the centre and
there's a place for centric
1546
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:31,110
policy.
And someone made a comment and
1547
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,160
it was really good point.
I was like, there there is a
1548
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:34,640
place for being in the centre,
right?
1549
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,260
Yeah.
And if you get stuff done and,
1550
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:39,260
and it comes boils down to this
for me, cause a lot of people
1551
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:41,220
are very anti care Starmer
saying, well, they promised to
1552
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:42,890
scrap tuition fees when he
became leader.
1553
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:44,520
He promised to do this.
He promised to do that.
1554
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:48,470
I was like, OK, that's a fine
grievance because you might have
1555
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,310
backed him thinking he wants to
stand for this stuff.
1556
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,220
And now he's not.
That's fair grievance.
1557
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:55,900
But what I would say to someone
who's saying that is to become
1558
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:59,700
to be in power, he had to become
the leader of the Labour Party.
1559
01:01:59,810 --> 01:02:01,920
And the way that works is you
need to be voted in by its
1560
01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:05,540
supporters who found at the
mouth of Jeremy Corbyn, who's
1561
01:02:05,550 --> 01:02:08,090
extremely left wing.
And they were thinking of
1562
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,760
reforming how they even choose
it because the base is so left
1563
01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:13,610
wing and the Labour Party that
unless you have those left wing
1564
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:15,290
policies, you'll never get
chosen as leader.
1565
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:16,340
Yeah.
So we have to do that.
1566
01:02:16,350 --> 01:02:18,390
That's this is what like someone
who's just maybe being a bit
1567
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,700
more straightforward might say.
And then when he became Labour
1568
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:24,290
leader, if he ran on the same
principles as Jeremy Corbyn,
1569
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,070
he'd get absolutely rinsed.
Them would never come anywhere.
1570
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,390
You had to do something.
Different, yeah.
1571
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,710
So to me, the number one thing
you have to do is get in power
1572
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:32,850
and then you can start judging
people on a different kind of
1573
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:35,000
note and the same way I've just
said you should judge the Tories
1574
01:02:35,010 --> 01:02:36,410
and what they've done.
Yeah, OK, cool.
1575
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:39,110
Well, we might hold our noses
and vote for Labour.
1576
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,880
A lot of people, because we just
can't stand with the Tories,
1577
01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:43,550
have done.
But then what we have to do from
1578
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,990
day one, if Keir Starmer gets in
is be on his back.
1579
01:02:46,310 --> 01:02:47,390
It's OK.
What you gonna do then?
1580
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:50,780
We're gonna keep accountable.
And I really don't want to give
1581
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:53,340
him a free pass.
Like a lot of people will like
1582
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:56,020
what people do for the Tories.
Now, I would hate if I became
1583
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:57,840
that for Labour.
And just like something that was
1584
01:02:57,850 --> 01:03:01,860
clearly wrong, they just went,
oh, that's alright, Labour.
1585
01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:03,150
So I'll just I'll.
Agree.
1586
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,450
I agree.
It's a weird system, isn't it?
1587
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:05,040
Very, very.
Weird.
1588
01:03:05,050 --> 01:03:07,710
What's your core instincts now?
As someone who's not involved in
1589
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,610
politics, I'm very interested.
But right now, what are you
1590
01:03:09,620 --> 01:03:10,620
thinking?
What are your thoughts?
1591
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:13,710
On my core instinct is is is a
is a is a broken system anyway.
1592
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,270
It's two party system.
Literally nothing matters unless
1593
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,910
you vote Tory or Labour.
Genuinely.
1594
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,990
Like I get you argue the seats
and all that but honestly it
1595
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,130
really doesn't matter if you
only care really about who's
1596
01:03:23,140 --> 01:03:25,700
actually in charge.
The only thing you can do at
1597
01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:27,170
this point if you don't Tories
in is vote Labour.
1598
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:28,890
That's the way I see it.
Which I don't like.
1599
01:03:28,980 --> 01:03:30,510
I don't like that.
That's the thing.
1600
01:03:30,990 --> 01:03:33,350
Vote tactically or vote
tactically?
1601
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,010
What do you mean by that?
Because to me that is just
1602
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:35,650
voting Labour.
Yes.
1603
01:03:35,660 --> 01:03:38,980
So the way the system works
again is there are 650 seats
1604
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:39,850
across the country.
Yeah.
1605
01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:42,860
Countries get into 650.
To have a government, you need
1606
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:47,170
more than half because then when
someone suggests a law, you know
1607
01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:48,750
you've got over half.
So it will go through.
1608
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,100
That's how government works,
basically.
1609
01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:52,320
You just need.
So we could technically work on
1610
01:03:52,330 --> 01:03:53,760
our government where no one has
more than half.
1611
01:03:53,770 --> 01:03:55,050
That's what coalitions are for.
Yeah.
1612
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:57,050
They basically say we'll work
together and we'll all vote.
1613
01:03:57,060 --> 01:03:57,890
Yes.
Yeah.
1614
01:03:57,900 --> 01:03:59,240
So we get past halfway.
Yeah.
1615
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:00,570
Yeah.
Or you might work for minority
1616
01:04:00,580 --> 01:04:02,350
government.
I think Theresa May for a bit
1617
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,710
had one where she had like she
was like 8 seats less than half.
1618
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,510
So that's why she had to deal
with the DUP.
1619
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,160
Right, Irish people make up
some.
1620
01:04:09,170 --> 01:04:10,990
Who said, OK, well, we're not,
we're not necessarily a
1621
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,280
coalition, but we've got a deal.
You'll vote through our
1622
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:14,740
policies.
We'll give you 1 1/2 billion
1623
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:15,840
pounds.
That's what happened.
1624
01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:17,230
Yeah.
So they, you know, there's deals
1625
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,470
to be made.
Voting tactically is simply
1626
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,950
saying every single individual
scene, you look at the general
1627
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,310
vibe of the population and you
vote for whoever is the best
1628
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,310
party in terms of number of
votes that isn't Conservative.
1629
01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:32,920
Yeah, so, and this is what I
would do.
1630
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:34,730
Sure.
So I'm, I'm so I'm much more
1631
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,160
anti Conservative than pro
Labour.
1632
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,590
But in my constituency where we
live, the 2nd place was Labour.
1633
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,690
So I'm voting for Labour.
Yeah, so and, and, and the point
1634
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:46,310
of voting tactically would be if
you really support the Lib Dems
1635
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,710
or the Greens or even reform,
whatever, whoever it is, if you
1636
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,690
are more anti Tory than you are
pro any kind of Labour or any
1637
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:57,190
other one, you would say, OK,
well I want them to not be a
1638
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,340
Conservative MP.
So I'm going to give my vote to
1639
01:04:59,350 --> 01:05:00,230
Labour this time.
Yeah.
1640
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,590
So the ones that are gonna get
most likely to get it so.
1641
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,660
In my constituency, if someone
said they're gonna vote leave
1642
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:07,370
them or Green, I would say to
them, would you consider holding
1643
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,820
your nose and voting Labour?
Otherwise, Conservatives will
1644
01:05:10,830 --> 01:05:12,520
get in because we need to get
past the Conservative.
1645
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:13,960
But yeah, what stupid system.
Right.
1646
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:15,970
It's completely broken and I
completely agree and a lot of
1647
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:17,760
people and that's not right and
I'm like it's not right.
1648
01:05:17,770 --> 01:05:20,010
But is the system we have.
So actually we gotta use it for
1649
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:21,100
now.
Yeah, all you need to do is
1650
01:05:21,110 --> 01:05:24,310
Google tactical vote or vote
tactically and there's literally
1651
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,950
websites where you can put a
postcode in.
1652
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:29,420
It'll show you a breakdown and
who you should vote for if you
1653
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:31,300
want to vote.
Tactically, yeah, absolutely.
1654
01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:33,080
Mental to me, absolutely.
Someone not in the world.
1655
01:05:33,090 --> 01:05:35,620
I just think I just don't know
what to think about.
1656
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:37,320
It is crazy.
But yeah, I, I mean, I will be
1657
01:05:37,330 --> 01:05:39,400
like, I will be voting Labour
for that exact reason and I
1658
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:41,220
probably would vote Labour.
Anyway, if you were somewhere
1659
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:44,000
where Labour were literally
pulling it like 5% and and Lib
1660
01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:47,170
Dems were 30 and Conservatives
were 40, would you still vote
1661
01:05:47,180 --> 01:05:48,960
Labour?
I know I did the tactical thing
1662
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:51,540
hundred percent, 100% because
like you, I'm, I'm more anti
1663
01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:53,240
Tory than anything else.
I just want them out of power.
1664
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:55,110
I don't really, I don't, I don't
care who comes in next.
1665
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,960
I just want to be Tories again.
I, I think, I don't think
1666
01:05:57,970 --> 01:05:59,530
there's much they could have
done to make it worse.
1667
01:05:59,540 --> 01:06:01,460
And a lot of people always say
that like, oh, I'll be worse if
1668
01:06:01,470 --> 01:06:03,180
Labour.
I'm like, would it would be
1669
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:05,640
quite hard, genuinely.
You're not even disagreeing that
1670
01:06:05,650 --> 01:06:07,200
it could be.
Yeah, I'm not those people.
1671
01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:09,130
That's like, ohh, no it couldn't
possibly because Labour are
1672
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:09,840
great.
Like the idea.
1673
01:06:09,850 --> 01:06:12,440
So no, the idea.
I actually don't really care if
1674
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:15,360
Labour and and Conservatives
switched all of their policies,
1675
01:06:15,410 --> 01:06:17,640
I'd then be voting Conservative.
I'm not against the word
1676
01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:20,320
conservatives, I just don't like
what they've represented
1677
01:06:20,330 --> 01:06:22,080
generally and what they've done
to the country.
1678
01:06:22,090 --> 01:06:24,200
I think it has diminished in
lots and lots of ways when it
1679
01:06:24,210 --> 01:06:26,030
didn't need to.
Some things are out of our
1680
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,800
control.
That's fine.
1681
01:06:26,810 --> 01:06:29,260
I'll never blame the Tories in
the same way I won't blame
1682
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:31,470
Labour for the global market
crash and things like that.
1683
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,150
It's like, but there are other
things where it has just
1684
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,440
diminished that they have just
literally chosen they, they did
1685
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:38,280
it did take a footballer to
convince them to give kids food.
1686
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:39,380
Yeah.
And it's like stuff like I'm
1687
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:41,240
like, but that's, that's one
example is like that happens
1688
01:06:41,250 --> 01:06:42,630
every year.
There's a massive thing like
1689
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,480
that where they just don't wanna
do help anyone.
1690
01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:47,660
But they'll line the pockets of
their mates visibly and
1691
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:50,100
obviously and have a WhatsApp
group where they laugh about it
1692
01:06:50,110 --> 01:06:52,800
and get away with it and have a
party during COVID and nothing
1693
01:06:52,810 --> 01:06:54,860
ever comes of any of it.
And I'm sick of that.
1694
01:06:54,930 --> 01:06:56,520
So I, I just want to give
someone else a chance.
1695
01:06:56,530 --> 01:06:59,500
I always don't really care.
Do you know what if Reform UK
1696
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,440
were the highest voted thing in
our in our thing, they were 45%
1697
01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:06,590
and and the and the service on
46 that said I don't know, but I
1698
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,230
would though.
I would just I'd be like, yeah,
1699
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,770
OK, it knocks off another
Conservatives.
1700
01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:12,760
Is that not a tactical?
I'd rather have a Conservative
1701
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:14,790
government than a reformed
government, so therefore I
1702
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,310
wouldn't.
Deal.
1703
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:16,810
OK, Fair enough.
Yeah, absolutely.
1704
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:18,770
If the choice was between before
on Conservative, yeah,
1705
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,250
absolutely.
Rather have a Conservative
1706
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:22,800
government because Reform are
just the fringes of the Tories
1707
01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,180
who are left because they're
annoyed going eating their full
1708
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:26,890
English going.
How long till the full English
1709
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:29,020
is called racist?
That's the kind of people who
1710
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:30,410
are going to.
Reform fair enough is where I
1711
01:07:30,420 --> 01:07:32,220
don't know stuff.
Knowing that would obviously
1712
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:34,710
impact my.
Reform have some policies like
1713
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,780
they want low tax, they want
written constitution, yeah,
1714
01:07:37,790 --> 01:07:40,420
there's there's there's things
that they can say which which
1715
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:42,410
sound good.
Yeah, I'm not again, it would be
1716
01:07:42,420 --> 01:07:45,200
stupid to say that everything
about them ever is awful because
1717
01:07:45,210 --> 01:07:48,060
if they came out and said yeah,
we want to recruit more teachers
1718
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:50,320
and Labour have said they want
to recruit more teachers, it's
1719
01:07:50,330 --> 01:07:52,100
not now bad because Reform said
it.
1720
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,140
Yeah, but as a whole, Reform
being bankrolled by Richard
1721
01:07:55,150 --> 01:07:57,660
Tyson and his own personal
wealth and having people like
1722
01:07:57,670 --> 01:08:00,990
Lee Anderson joined them, who's
just an idiot, like, OK, that's
1723
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,520
OK, That's the vibe.
Then I.
1724
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,900
Don't want them in charge.
I think maybe terrible old
1725
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:08,270
Nigel.
He's normally loud around this
1726
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,800
time.
Lost every single election he's
1727
01:08:09,810 --> 01:08:11,600
ever been involved in, never
become an MP.
1728
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:14,500
He has come out and said that he
won't be running because he
1729
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:17,450
because John White, because he's
focusing on the US election,
1730
01:08:17,729 --> 01:08:21,370
which by the way is later on in
the year complete Trump's Mr
1731
01:08:21,380 --> 01:08:23,000
Trump.
But you know, he cares so much
1732
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:25,399
about Britain.
Cares so much about Britain.
1733
01:08:25,470 --> 01:08:27,270
Yeah, he couldn't possibly
involved in general election
1734
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,630
though, because there's not
American beneficial.
1735
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:30,830
The reason is because you
wouldn't.
1736
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,520
Win.
Yeah, he's a celebrity and he
1737
01:08:32,529 --> 01:08:34,160
got out of it.
Yeah, so fair enough.
1738
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,310
Been popping up on my feed
recently.
1739
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:38,420
Jeremy Corbyn?
Really.
1740
01:08:38,430 --> 01:08:41,080
Have you seen his standing
independently in Islington?
1741
01:08:41,130 --> 01:08:42,939
Yeah, he'll probably win.
Yeah, he's been around for so
1742
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:46,460
long and that yeah, that whole
idea of I imagine in his, in his
1743
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:49,649
seat, he is very well known and
and I think I, I get the
1744
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:51,290
impression he's a really good
local MP.
1745
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:53,020
Can you explain to me?
I actually don't understand this
1746
01:08:53,029 --> 01:08:55,430
and you probably will.
So a lot of people were saying,
1747
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,729
ohh yeah, Jeremy Corbyn for PM,
but he couldn't possibly, he
1748
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:00,880
couldn't possibly be taking
votes to be the Prime Minister.
1749
01:09:00,890 --> 01:09:03,680
He's only trying to get a.
Seat in his area, right?
1750
01:09:03,689 --> 01:09:05,540
So, So no one votes for a Prime
Minister.
1751
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,819
So no, no one ever actually,
because the Prime Minister,
1752
01:09:08,830 --> 01:09:10,620
right.
And they sure, that's why that's
1753
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:14,899
why you know when Liz Truss took
over Boris Johnson and when
1754
01:09:14,910 --> 01:09:18,720
Rishi Sunak overtook Liz Truss
of technically there was nothing
1755
01:09:18,729 --> 01:09:20,979
wrong with that because people
voted for their local MP.
1756
01:09:21,069 --> 01:09:22,430
That's cool.
So you know when we.
1757
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,160
Vote how it works.
But so many people in the
1758
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:26,010
comments were like, yeah, we're
voting for the Prime Minister.
1759
01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:27,560
I was thinking, I don't think
that's how.
1760
01:09:27,569 --> 01:09:29,000
I'm pretty sure that's not how
it works.
1761
01:09:29,010 --> 01:09:30,529
So he's just trying to be voted
in.
1762
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:33,180
That and as an independent, he
has literally zero chance of
1763
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:35,370
becoming Prime Minister because
even if he got voted in all that
1764
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:37,569
was happening in the
backbenches, yeah, he'd have one
1765
01:09:37,580 --> 01:09:40,069
vote every time.
Yeah, but you know he wouldn't
1766
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,069
be at all in a.
Party to remember there, though.
1767
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,430
I like that different there.
Well, this is the thing about
1768
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,370
Corbyn.
I've really like shifted off
1769
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:49,370
him.
But I think that's because it's
1770
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:54,270
always the context of like,
yeah, he he, he does.
1771
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,690
He's really, really, really,
really left.
1772
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:57,770
I want to talk to you about
this.
1773
01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:59,050
He's really, really, really
left.
1774
01:09:59,060 --> 01:10:01,390
And that pushes a lot of people
out because he's very, very high
1775
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:05,810
tax, very, very much, you know,
is seen as, you know, an
1776
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:08,220
extremist sympathiser.
We can talk about whether
1777
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:11,550
specialist, yeah, we can talk
about how true those accusations
1778
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,940
are or not anti-Semitic because
everything happened in the
1779
01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:15,010
Labour Party and stuff like
that.
1780
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:17,940
But yeah, again, we can talk
about whether that's true,
1781
01:10:17,950 --> 01:10:19,830
whether that's false, whatever,
whatever.
1782
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,840
It's like a conversation that is
honestly not even relevant
1783
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,670
anymore because we're living in
a different time.
1784
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,810
But the thing that I find
interesting is how influential
1785
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:31,690
people on the extremes can be
when it comes to running a
1786
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:34,850
party.
So let's take the Labour, the
1787
01:10:34,860 --> 01:10:39,440
Conservative for example, right
now, she soon hack is very much
1788
01:10:39,450 --> 01:10:42,680
beholden to the extreme right
wing of the Conservative Party.
1789
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:45,640
So that's why we've got policies
like the Rwanda bill.
1790
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:49,260
Yeah, that's why he's trying to
really crack down on student
1791
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:52,360
immigration to come.
And in our universities, which I
1792
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:55,100
don't think anyone who's
moderate thinks is bad, but he's
1793
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:57,360
like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm going
to clamp down on that because it
1794
01:10:57,370 --> 01:10:59,190
makes the right wing of his
party happy.
1795
01:10:59,250 --> 01:11:00,970
They'll keep supporting him and
things like that.
1796
01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,100
And the point is in the current
system we have, let's say Labour
1797
01:11:04,150 --> 01:11:06,560
get a majority of on it, like
20.
1798
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:10,390
Let's just say they get 20, more
than half it within that 20,
1799
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:14,930
let's say there's 30 or 40 of
them out of 380 MP's who are
1800
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:17,730
extremely left wing and the
Labour Party, they then have the
1801
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,850
power to veto any law.
So these small minorities
1802
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:23,710
extremes have huge power in
these parties because let's say
1803
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,810
here Slama wants to bring
something very centrist in the
1804
01:11:26,820 --> 01:11:28,670
left, the left, right.
No, no, no, no, no.
1805
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,550
We can't lower tax for rich
people for whatever reason.
1806
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,110
They have the power to vote no,
and it won't get through as law,
1807
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:38,110
even though it's only about 40
people, because that, that, that
1808
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,860
number of votes takes you past
halfway.
1809
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:41,570
Hmm.
And that's what's happened with
1810
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:42,980
the Tories a lot in the last few
years.
1811
01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:44,460
Yeah.
Which is the right wing I've got
1812
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:46,370
No, no, not voting for that.
And then they can't get law
1813
01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:47,640
through.
That's why Theresa May stopped
1814
01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:48,780
being.
Prime in their own party.
1815
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:50,580
It's like, yeah, because.
Theresa May could get Brexit
1816
01:11:50,590 --> 01:11:52,570
done because there was nothing
could get through Parliament
1817
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:54,570
because the extreme right wing
were like, no, it's not right,
1818
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:56,290
we're not leaving.
But you, you want us to stay in
1819
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:58,160
the customs union?
You want us to stay linked with
1820
01:11:58,170 --> 01:12:00,450
Europe not having it.
And their own party were
1821
01:12:00,460 --> 01:12:03,360
blocking them.
So my point here is we could end
1822
01:12:03,370 --> 01:12:06,400
up seeing if Labour get a
smaller majority.
1823
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:08,860
Yeah, we could end up seeing
these small pockets of Labour
1824
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:11,050
having a lot of influence and a
lot of people won't like that.
1825
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:13,520
Really interesting.
A lot of people voted Labour
1826
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,600
will be ohh, don't know about
that.
1827
01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:20,330
Get Jesser back, you're gonna do
yourself up for a lot of haters.
1828
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,600
No, I think I'm because I'm not
really that into politics.
1829
01:12:23,610 --> 01:12:25,800
I just they're all like.
Everyone gets broadband that
1830
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:27,480
sounds good.
Yeah, do you know what even
1831
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:30,300
that's all I resonate with
Jeremy Corbyn is.
1832
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:32,090
I just think he's a nice human
being.
1833
01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:37,180
And in my experience of politics
in my whole life, I don't think
1834
01:12:37,470 --> 01:12:39,220
any other politician is a nice
human being.
1835
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:41,080
I'm not even not even joking.
I'm not even exaggerating.
1836
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:45,000
I I genuinely don't think that
is in single other politician at
1837
01:12:45,010 --> 01:12:48,320
the top is a nice person.
I think they're all horrible,
1838
01:12:48,330 --> 01:12:50,220
horrible people.
Whereas I think Jeremy Corbyn,
1839
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:53,060
yeah, was an actual nice human
being and I don't think it was
1840
01:12:53,070 --> 01:12:55,180
even fake.
I think he genuinely cares about
1841
01:12:55,190 --> 01:12:56,490
people.
So a couple of things gonna come
1842
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,780
back on very quickly is he's got
a lot of anti-Semitic people
1843
01:12:59,790 --> 01:13:01,760
saying he's anti-Semitic.
So I would be very careful
1844
01:13:01,770 --> 01:13:03,750
saying.
That to me, that's just being
1845
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,440
completely, completely derailed
and debunked and and very much.
1846
01:13:06,450 --> 01:13:07,720
Proven to be.
That's fine.
1847
01:13:07,730 --> 01:13:10,040
The the cause of like big money
and conservative.
1848
01:13:10,050 --> 01:13:12,360
Partners I don't know because
it's just there's a lot from
1849
01:13:12,370 --> 01:13:13,500
inside.
The Labour Party said he was
1850
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:16,260
anti-Semitic as well.
It just, it's just nonsense to
1851
01:13:16,270 --> 01:13:18,120
me.
Cares about everyone in the
1852
01:13:18,130 --> 01:13:20,430
world, is in his whole life
talking about literally everyone
1853
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,130
and every action he's ever done
proves that he loves and cares
1854
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:26,080
about every single human being
except except Jews.
1855
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:27,720
Jewish people.
But he also didn't condemn
1856
01:13:27,730 --> 01:13:28,250
Hamas.
Who?
1857
01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:31,280
You just didn't.
He hasn't condemn them, but in
1858
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:32,880
this whole Israel.
Have you seen the entire
1859
01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:34,440
government also not doing that
now?
1860
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:36,920
No, they've condemned Hamas.
I took my while I didn't.
1861
01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:39,110
Read about they hate hammer.
You mean the Israel government?
1862
01:13:39,150 --> 01:13:41,110
No, our government, they were
very much throw up ages.
1863
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,660
They weren't taking.
They weren't taking sides.
1864
01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,210
Right, They took Israel side
immediately.
1865
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:45,380
That was the whole.
Point, right.
1866
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:47,660
OK, Yeah, everyone took it did,
yeah.
1867
01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:48,660
That's right.
Yeah.
1868
01:13:48,670 --> 01:13:51,750
But I'm just saying like, not
condemning Hamas is insane.
1869
01:13:51,810 --> 01:13:53,620
Yeah.
There are terrorist organisation
1870
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:56,540
who attacked and invaded another
country and took hostages and
1871
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:59,390
killed hundreds of people.
So as soon as someone doesn't
1872
01:13:59,650 --> 01:14:03,070
condemn Hamas, yeah, I am like,
that's really weird and it does
1873
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,380
stink of antisemitism.
Does it?
1874
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:06,400
Does it ring through the same
other other way round though?
1875
01:14:06,410 --> 01:14:08,770
When it was like it took them
months to not condemn Israel for
1876
01:14:08,780 --> 01:14:10,970
literally like decimating
suggestions.
1877
01:14:10,980 --> 01:14:12,900
I think there's there was a bit
of a grace period where it was
1878
01:14:12,910 --> 01:14:14,550
like, you gonna retaliate.
Yeah.
1879
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:15,860
Yeah.
But when they're consistently
1880
01:14:15,870 --> 01:14:18,270
bombing innocent children in
Palestine, I think Israel are
1881
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:19,520
disgusting as well.
Yeah.
1882
01:14:19,530 --> 01:14:24,700
So all I'm saying here is it's
fine for us to say that's how
1883
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:27,540
could you not condemn Israel for
literally killing millions of
1884
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:28,940
innocent people?
That's crazy.
1885
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:30,710
Why are they still doing this
and coming off the water and
1886
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,850
doing war crimes?
Yeah.
1887
01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:35,660
OK, but also we can't then
ignore people who don't condemn
1888
01:14:35,670 --> 01:14:38,000
Hamas.
No, but it's the same thing in
1889
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:41,810
terms of but the problem is
because Jeremy Corbyn was then
1890
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,080
derailed.
He lost his whole career and
1891
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:44,740
he's anti-Semitic for not doing
that.
1892
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:46,970
The the current government for
literally doing the same thing
1893
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:49,090
and not condemning Israel for
months after they killed
1894
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:51,490
millions, but they took thousand
children.
1895
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:53,980
It's ohh, no, they're they're
not all they're not racist.
1896
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:54,790
They're.
Not racist, no.
1897
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,860
No, but I'm saying they are.
Yeah, I know.
1898
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:58,870
A lot of people are saying that.
My point is it was very active,
1899
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,390
very differently.
We'd happily talk about
1900
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,970
government now, but this is
right.
1901
01:15:01,980 --> 01:15:05,120
Areas like Jeremy, Ohh, no,
those anti-Semitic things like
1902
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:07,760
yeah, it's no different to.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is I'm
1903
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:08,910
not.
I'm not stood here.
1904
01:15:08,980 --> 01:15:11,520
You're stood here and you'd
really like Jeremy Corbyn on
1905
01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:13,700
those eyes and I really like
she's doing that or I really
1906
01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:14,660
like.
No, I know.
1907
01:15:14,670 --> 01:15:15,940
Yeah.
Like so that is the difference.
1908
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:18,890
But my point is you could you
were you were in anyway that was
1909
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:20,140
a bit dangerous to say, like
Jeremy I.
1910
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:21,330
Think it's also dangerous to say
like.
1911
01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:23,610
Yeah, but it is OK, that's
completely fine.
1912
01:15:23,620 --> 01:15:25,900
And our society like you
wouldn't get people could come
1913
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:28,840
at me now and be like you're
anti-Semitic now because you
1914
01:15:28,850 --> 01:15:30,890
like Jeremy Corbyn.
But yeah, if if I said I'd like
1915
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:32,650
to wish you soon out and people
would come up to me and say,
1916
01:15:32,660 --> 01:15:35,270
ohh, you hate Palestinians.
Yeah, I think it's just, it's
1917
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,380
just I think a lot of people.
Would entail maybe?
1918
01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:39,540
But yeah, you're But we got
right wing press.
1919
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:43,210
Yeah, you got the establishment
who are considerably right wing.
1920
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,220
And that's what I don't get when
people say like everything's
1921
01:15:45,230 --> 01:15:47,630
left wing.
So yeah, what is it is.
1922
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,630
It I, I don't, yeah, I'm, I'm
too down a hole now.
1923
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,270
Jeremy Corbyn.
There's so many logical reasons
1924
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,540
for that.
Just just so.
1925
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:56,770
Obviously he wasn't honest.
I, I don't know enough.
1926
01:15:56,780 --> 01:15:58,030
I'm not gonna sit here and say
it wasn't.
1927
01:15:58,300 --> 01:16:00,330
Because it's so obvious, it's
just mental to me.
1928
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:01,860
It's.
OK, because.
1929
01:16:01,870 --> 01:16:03,670
He didn't like it.
I don't like what they're doing
1930
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,390
right now.
He just also didn't like them.
1931
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,690
What they doing literally the
same thing years ago I.
1932
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:09,030
Agree.
And I think anyone being called
1933
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,750
anti-Semitic for that, I I think
that's crazy.
1934
01:16:10,830 --> 01:16:13,900
That's something being against
the state actions and against a
1935
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:16,540
race of people.
Yeah, but I think not condemning
1936
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:18,520
Hamas is anti-Semitic.
Yeah.
1937
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,360
Do you think so?
Yeah.
1938
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:21,300
Anti-Semitic.
Yeah, I mean, unreal, they asked
1939
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:23,980
quite clearly.
A terrorist organisation going
1940
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:25,720
after Jewish people.
And where they then as well, I
1941
01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:27,640
don't know.
Yeah, Hamas 100%.
1942
01:16:27,690 --> 01:16:31,320
Yeah, Hamas by definition there
are terrorist group backed by
1943
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:35,810
other Middle Eastern countries.
And this is not me saying people
1944
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:38,520
who live in Palestine are all
anti-Semitic, this is me saying
1945
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:40,950
an organisation which is a
terrorist organisation which are
1946
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,720
act on October the 7th Israel
because well, they want their
1947
01:16:44,730 --> 01:16:45,800
land back as well.
I get that.
1948
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:49,640
But that that is they are
anti-Semitic, They are anti
1949
01:16:49,650 --> 01:16:51,700
Jewish people.
Yeah, whatever you can justify
1950
01:16:51,710 --> 01:16:53,390
as much as you want to say, well
they took their land as a
1951
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:55,160
whatever.
They are anti-Semitic though.
1952
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:56,420
Yeah, sure.
Completely.
1953
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:59,920
Netanyahu is Islamophobic, who's
the leader of Israel?
1954
01:16:59,930 --> 01:17:03,140
He is, that's it.
That's Islamophobia hate, that's
1955
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:05,320
anti-Semitic.
That is absolutely true.
1956
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:09,020
So not condemning Hamas to me is
completely insane.
1957
01:17:09,070 --> 01:17:11,730
And if anyone tries to defend
him and say that what they're
1958
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:14,100
doing is accept I would just be
like it's not though.
1959
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,130
And I know it's a like massively
grey area, the whole peace talks
1960
01:17:17,140 --> 01:17:21,350
and stuff, but not condemning a
terrorist organisation for
1961
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:23,990
crossing the border and
literally murdering innocent
1962
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:24,870
people?
Yeah.
1963
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,060
Is insane when you're then
saying, well that's what they're
1964
01:17:27,070 --> 01:17:28,490
doing to Palestine, they're
medicine.
1965
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:29,990
Yeah, that's awful.
Both awful.
1966
01:17:30,050 --> 01:17:30,720
Yeah.
Yeah.
1967
01:17:31,180 --> 01:17:32,420
That's what, that's my opinion
on that.
1968
01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:33,990
But you know, we're going down a
rabbit hole here.
1969
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:38,190
Macro politics, these nice light
hearted teacher podcast.
1970
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,590
I know, Jesus, I actually kind
of forgot we're recording a
1971
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,240
podcast and I'm just anyway,
this is the most genuine chat
1972
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:44,890
I've ever had.
You know more than I do actually
1973
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:47,340
quite interesting.
I do genuinely no, but you do
1974
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:48,660
the expert.
Cause I don't, I don't expect
1975
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:50,480
you expect, but you know more
than me about some of that
1976
01:17:50,490 --> 01:17:52,390
stuff.
Like I, I don't, I didn't know
1977
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,850
that, you know, I mean, I didn't
really know that he had actively
1978
01:17:55,860 --> 01:17:59,090
hadn't condemned Hamas.
So what he does really well,
1979
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,790
yeah, is he'll be like, he'll
say, someone say to him, do you
1980
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:02,860
condemn Hamas?
Yeah.
1981
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:05,160
And he'll do the He'll turn into
that classic politician that you
1982
01:18:05,170 --> 01:18:06,190
hate.
The question.
1983
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,650
Of course I don't like it
killing innocent people.
1984
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:10,830
Yeah, so don't do you condemn
what Hamas did.
1985
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,480
Of course, I don't wanna see
innocent people.
1986
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,380
Yeah.
Can you just say that you
1987
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:17,290
condemn Hamas for what they did
as a terrorist organisation?
1988
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:19,490
Yeah.
Look, I think whenever innocent
1989
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:21,630
people are killed, it's bad.
And then his defenders go see,
1990
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,220
he said it, See he said and
yeah, but he's doing that
1991
01:18:24,230 --> 01:18:25,390
politics thing.
Yeah, sure.
1992
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,900
Whereas he were very, very,
very, very, very comfortably
1993
01:18:27,970 --> 01:18:29,990
talk about how horrendous the
Israeli government are.
1994
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,590
They should never be doing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1995
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,600
That's that's when it's like,
and that's fine.
1996
01:18:33,610 --> 01:18:35,670
Yeah, yeah.
But he when his hearts around
1997
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,320
doing it the other way.
I'm like, there's something
1998
01:18:37,330 --> 01:18:39,110
there.
Is weird, but the way I see it
1999
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,560
is he was years ahead of pop
culture.
2000
01:18:40,570 --> 01:18:43,160
Now now everyone finally is
suddenly like you look at any
2001
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:45,180
social media ever.
It's like, ohh, 3 past nine.
2002
01:18:45,250 --> 01:18:47,420
Everyone is now being like, oh,
this is a bit mental actually
2003
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:49,770
what they're doing.
He, I think he was just years
2004
01:18:49,780 --> 01:18:51,380
ahead of that.
And, and back then, you know,
2005
01:18:51,390 --> 01:18:53,390
when no one knew the full
context, it was like, oh, he
2006
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,810
just hates Jews run by.
And he was like, well, it
2007
01:18:55,820 --> 01:18:56,940
probably is deeper than this,
though.
2008
01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:59,510
It probably is deeper because
actually I might be able to say
2009
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,920
the same about 90% of the
population in England right now.
2010
01:19:01,930 --> 01:19:02,740
Then you will.
You will.
2011
01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:03,940
Hate what?
I love you a lot of people.
2012
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:05,250
You just not like what Israel
are doing.
2013
01:19:05,260 --> 01:19:07,160
A lot of people are Islamophobic
in this country.
2014
01:19:07,230 --> 01:19:08,360
Islamophobic.
Yeah.
2015
01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:10,800
Yeah, completely.
And the other way in terms of
2016
01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:13,610
that's that's why, that's why
he's seen even extras like this.
2017
01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:16,340
He's he's lefty, Muslim, social
social.
2018
01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:17,870
Life.
Yeah, OK.
2019
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:18,920
He's just got a different
opinion.
2020
01:19:18,930 --> 01:19:20,390
Yeah.
Probably just sort of there are
2021
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,290
horrible inequality and
injustice that's happening.
2022
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:26,420
There were certain things that
he's done which are a bit weird.
2023
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:29,180
Yeah, in that respect.
And it's like, ohh.
2024
01:19:29,250 --> 01:19:31,690
And could approach it different.
The whole idea again of like,
2025
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:34,220
you know, it was ingrained in
the in the Labour Party.
2026
01:19:34,230 --> 01:19:37,220
And like there's been reports
and stuff that worth reading.
2027
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:39,820
It's.
It's not a straightforward.
2028
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:41,680
It's just.
He's a nice guy.
2029
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:43,530
He's like, and everyone else is
a bad guy.
2030
01:19:43,540 --> 01:19:46,360
It's like, do you know what?
Rory Stewart was a Conservative
2031
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:48,500
MP for a long time.
And I really like him because I
2032
01:19:48,510 --> 01:19:49,660
listen to his podcast.
Yeah.
2033
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:51,920
And he's left the Tories now
because he went under Boris
2034
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:53,230
Johnson.
He was like, I'm not serving on
2035
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,540
this guy.
Yeah, yeah, and I was and and
2036
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:57,840
you know, there's a few
conservative politicians who are
2037
01:19:57,850 --> 01:20:01,400
good people, but I can't get on
board with them that they enable
2038
01:20:01,410 --> 01:20:04,490
that machine right now.
OK, well, I'd never vote for you
2039
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:06,560
because I never that I think
you're a nice person.
2040
01:20:06,610 --> 01:20:08,960
But you have also imposed a cap
on benefits.
2041
01:20:09,150 --> 01:20:10,520
You have also overseen
austerity.
2042
01:20:10,530 --> 01:20:12,870
You also defend austerity.
You think the King's the best
2043
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,750
thing in the world.
And I'm like, I don't agree with
2044
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,940
any of that.
But we can be humans on a human
2045
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:18,230
level.
And I cannot hate you.
2046
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,820
And I'm not think you're out to
get me.
2047
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:22,220
I can think that you're trying
to help in a different way to me
2048
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:27,130
for sure.
But yeah, as as a machine, my
2049
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:30,110
overall arching point here of
politics is for a 14 year
2050
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,700
machine since 2010, which is
literally my adult life, by the
2051
01:20:32,710 --> 01:20:34,150
way.
Yeah, literally my adult life
2052
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,390
has been a Conservative
government.
2053
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:40,360
I couldn't vote in 2010 but I
could vote from then on and my
2054
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:44,430
life has not got objectively
better for the same what I would
2055
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:45,830
be as a 30 year old at this
point.
2056
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,340
I don't think there's, there's
been multiple times where it's
2057
01:20:48,350 --> 01:20:51,050
been proven that they're just
scumbags who are just literally
2058
01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:54,240
lining their mates pockets.
Yeah, I don't want them in power
2059
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,960
anymore and that's the bottom
line for me.
2060
01:20:56,010 --> 01:20:58,210
So whatever anyone else can say
to me, I'm not.
2061
01:20:58,510 --> 01:21:00,240
That's great.
But if you also don't want them
2062
01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:02,560
in power, there is things we can
do to try and make that.
2063
01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:03,650
Happen.
I've got devil's advocate for
2064
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:04,660
you.
It's been thrown at me before.
2065
01:21:04,670 --> 01:21:06,340
And it's one of those questions
where I think the trick is in
2066
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:09,640
the question you just said life
is not objectively got better
2067
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:11,680
since, you know, since you
became an adult.
2068
01:21:12,090 --> 01:21:13,590
But you're in a better position
right now.
2069
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,280
Yeah.
You're like you're you're in a
2070
01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:17,180
much better position than you
were personally.
2071
01:21:17,190 --> 01:21:18,760
I'm 15.
Years, I really tried to get
2072
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:21,680
that in my first answer and I
couldn't get the words out.
2073
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:26,240
My trajectory, yeah, of life,
obviously my wealth has improved
2074
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:28,590
over time.
I think my wealth and and
2075
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,880
well-being and of the country in
general would have improved much
2076
01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:34,150
more on this trajectory.
Because obviously as you move
2077
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,260
through time, you yourself,
that's why as you grow older,
2078
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:39,590
people tend to become more
conservative because they've
2079
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,600
built their wealth now and they
want to hold on to it because it
2080
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:44,350
was a struggle to get there.
On the macro level of the
2081
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,070
country, if you just took a
snapshot in 2010 and a snapshot
2082
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,370
in 2024, yeah, the average
person is worse off.
2083
01:21:50,380 --> 01:21:51,870
Yeah.
And you think it's OK to mention
2084
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,130
these sorts of things even if
you personally have actually?
2085
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:56,730
Benefited quite well.
I've hated it.
2086
01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:58,730
I've always hated it when
someone uses phrases like
2087
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:01,930
champagne socialist and stuff,
which is essentially just it's
2088
01:22:01,940 --> 01:22:03,990
OK for you to like socialism
because you're well off.
2089
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,100
And it's like, what?
Yeah.
2090
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:10,300
Tax me more like, yeah.
Like when we pay tax for our
2091
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:11,390
business.
Hmm.
2092
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:14,200
Like I, I genuinely never care.
Yeah.
2093
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:16,620
I'm like, cool, that's built in.
And that's because we need to
2094
01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:18,840
pay tax.
And what I will never understand
2095
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:24,040
is people who want to pay, like,
have much lower tax, like have
2096
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:25,280
big tax cuts.
Basically.
2097
01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:27,460
It's like, cool, well, do you
want the NHS to work?
2098
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:29,670
Do you do you like this system
we have?
2099
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,060
Because currently it's broken.
We've got the highest taxes ever
2100
01:22:33,070 --> 01:22:35,950
since World War Two and probably
the worst, honestly, the worst
2101
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,940
systems and care that we have.
And I don't this is gonna be a
2102
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:40,940
hard thing for any government to
solve because we got an ageing
2103
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:43,910
population as well who need the
services more but will
2104
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,180
contribute less tax.
And I think the only way to go
2105
01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:48,280
about it, I'm just saying right
now is some kind of wealth tax.
2106
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:51,190
Like if someone sat on a
property for 40 years and it's
2107
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,040
gone from costing 30 grand to
1.2 million.
2108
01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:56,680
Yeah, I don't think that person
should get all of that money.
2109
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:58,640
They've not all that's happened
in that case.
2110
01:22:58,650 --> 01:22:59,780
Is just do that?
Why would they?
2111
01:22:59,790 --> 01:23:01,840
Socialist change because they
could, they could sell.
2112
01:23:01,850 --> 01:23:03,820
What I mean is I don't think I
should just stay in the family.
2113
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:05,690
I think it should be a really
big wealth tax on that.
2114
01:23:05,820 --> 01:23:07,160
OK.
Well, the reason isn't it is
2115
01:23:07,170 --> 01:23:09,290
that it's already 40% capital.
Gains over a million,
2116
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:11,690
inheritance over a million.
There's not.
2117
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:12,710
It's your, it's your first
house.
2118
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:14,010
There's no capital gains.
Yeah, there is.
2119
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:15,810
No, it's not.
If it's your only property,
2120
01:23:15,820 --> 01:23:18,260
there's no capital gains tax.
It's on the second property.
2121
01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:18,700
Ohh.
Is it?
2122
01:23:18,710 --> 01:23:19,950
Yeah.
So if I sold this house and just
2123
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,610
didn't buy another house, I just
get the full profit?
2124
01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:22,330
Yeah.
That's mad.
2125
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:23,810
I thought it was 20% first
property.
2126
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:25,310
There's no.
I didn't know that it was all
2127
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,620
properties.
I'd be very happy to prove him
2128
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:28,350
wrong, but I'm not completely
under the impression that it's
2129
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,090
second.
It makes sense.
2130
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:29,840
It might be.
Yeah.
2131
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,270
But there is inheritance tax and
stuff.
2132
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,590
And it's like some people want
that car.
2133
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,220
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Especially for if it's your
2134
01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:38,260
business and you build stuff up.
I I see that.
2135
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:42,230
I do see that differently from
living in a home that you got
2136
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:43,500
when it happened to be
affordable.
2137
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:46,520
And now that is just honestly
nothing.
2138
01:23:46,590 --> 01:23:50,840
And again, Rishi Sunak, look at
his numbers because he's made
2139
01:23:50,850 --> 01:23:53,290
millions right through
investments and stocks and
2140
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:55,450
shares.
The the idea that that is taxed
2141
01:23:55,460 --> 01:23:57,960
less than actual work is insane
to me.
2142
01:23:58,010 --> 01:23:59,570
Yeah.
And that should be immediately.
2143
01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:01,940
Passive income, yeah, he didn't
trade time for.
2144
01:24:02,130 --> 01:24:06,840
Like someone working as a nurse
who earns 40 grand a year pays a
2145
01:24:06,850 --> 01:24:09,350
higher percentage of tax on
their income than Rishi Sunak
2146
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,440
pays on his millions.
Than Rishi Sunak does on
2147
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:12,740
interest he got for those 40
grand.
2148
01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:15,510
Yeah, interest or or investments
or dividends or anything like
2149
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,560
that.
The the threshold is lower.
2150
01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:20,400
We take evidence through our
company, if they turn round and
2151
01:24:20,410 --> 01:24:22,400
say dividends are going to be
taxed exactly in line with
2152
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:26,040
income, we pay more tax.
I also don't think we'd have a
2153
01:24:26,050 --> 01:24:28,600
leg to stand on pretending that
that was not fair.
2154
01:24:29,230 --> 01:24:31,250
Yeah, we we'd have less money,
right?
2155
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,820
But I think that's where you
gotta stand on moral duty and
2156
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:37,090
say, well, we are also just
working, you know, that is, that
2157
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:38,620
is our work.
So why should it not be the same
2158
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:40,560
as attaching work?
It's insane to me.
2159
01:24:40,570 --> 01:24:44,570
And that's where a lot of people
were like, Nah, it's especially
2160
01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:45,980
when you talk about Rishi Sunak
level.
2161
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:48,570
I think the system's OK at the
minute.
2162
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:49,890
I mean, why would we change
that?
2163
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,150
Yeah, it's not.
Fair.
2164
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,950
Yeah, we all benefit.
Percentage, I paid way more tax
2165
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,960
than you.
Yeah, but as a percentage you
2166
01:24:55,970 --> 01:24:56,910
don't.
Yeah.
2167
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,650
The idea that I think Rishi
Sunak pays something like 26% on
2168
01:24:59,660 --> 01:25:02,030
his tax, it worked out he had 4
million and paid about a million
2169
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:02,910
in tax.
Yeah.
2170
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,910
If you earn 40 grand and and
spent 12 grand on tax, that's a
2171
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:08,330
higher percentage of that's
going on.
2172
01:25:08,340 --> 01:25:09,160
Tax, yeah, yeah.
And.
2173
01:25:09,170 --> 01:25:11,320
That's wrong, and it doesn't
matter that a million to 12.
2174
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:12,990
Grand doesn't have a place, is
it not?
2175
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,990
A lot of people do confuse like,
well, he did put a million into
2176
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,660
the system.
So you know it took 3,000,000
2177
01:25:16,670 --> 01:25:18,060
out.
They got a lot more like his
2178
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:20,330
life is better though, yeah.
Because it only because he had
2179
01:25:20,340 --> 01:25:21,770
money in the 1st place to put
into these.
2180
01:25:21,780 --> 01:25:23,680
You know, investments and stuff.
Yeah, I hate that argument.
2181
01:25:23,730 --> 01:25:25,850
It's unbelievable.
This episode going really long.
2182
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:27,470
We haven't actually done any of
the things we planned.
2183
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:28,940
What do I do?
Well, yeah, we should.
2184
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:31,520
We should.
We should probably end it.
2185
01:25:31,570 --> 01:25:34,300
Yeah, I'm gonna come to you
maybe with.
2186
01:25:34,610 --> 01:25:36,530
Well, I guess we can summarise.
We're going to say here.
2187
01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:38,000
Now we're not going to talk
about this again.
2188
01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:39,520
Why don't we say this?
The next episode we talk about
2189
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:40,460
it.
Properly, we were going to talk
2190
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:42,740
about like what Labour did last
time and how much of it was
2191
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:43,050
good.
How?
2192
01:25:43,060 --> 01:25:46,850
Much people off.
No, no, we'll, we'll put it in a
2193
01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:49,060
way that's digestible because
again, lots of people listen.
2194
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:51,630
Our teachers, we're gonna talk
about education in particular.
2195
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,030
What do we want to actually see?
Happen yeah, we're gonna reflect
2196
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,050
on yeah, New Labour when they
were in and what they did for
2197
01:25:56,060 --> 01:25:59,150
education compared to the last
15 years and maybe think.
2198
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,890
What can we actually do in the
future to make education?
2199
01:26:00,900 --> 01:26:03,280
And it's gonna be, we're not
gonna be like Silver Linings we
2200
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:05,170
could be looking at.
A lot of labour done was
2201
01:26:05,180 --> 01:26:05,770
probably.
Bad.
2202
01:26:05,820 --> 01:26:07,340
Yeah, yeah, we'll reflect on all
of it.
2203
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:08,770
We're gonna pick out the good
stuff, so.
2204
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:10,390
Stick around for that.
I've got some questions from
2205
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,970
people and I'll just knock them
onto next time.
2206
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:16,990
Yeah.
You said as a question, yeah, I
2207
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,850
am still do one, I am sorry one.
Question And this is the end.
2208
01:26:19,860 --> 01:26:24,280
OK, OK, so the only question
here is let's go for OK, Should
2209
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:25,450
I?
OK, you've gotta vote here.
2210
01:26:25,460 --> 01:26:27,290
You gotta tell me for the last
question, should I do the
2211
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:30,410
incredibly one that made me like
burst out laughing and was just
2212
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:32,910
really provocative, or should I
do the one where you can
2213
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:33,990
actually give me a proper
answer?
2214
01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:35,890
Provocative one, because we've
had a lot of serious chats.
2215
01:26:37,470 --> 01:26:40,560
Be nice to end on this actually.
OK anyway, this is just write
2216
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:41,570
this.
I said any questions for
2217
01:26:41,580 --> 01:26:42,800
podcast.
We talk politics, but it could
2218
01:26:42,810 --> 01:26:44,590
be about anything.
But mostly about politics.
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Question, Any idea how on earth
there are people who work in
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schools that actually vote Tory?
I just don't understand it.
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I have an idea because you know
what, it's people like me and
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saying I'm sorry, who don't
really get that involved and
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probably just have lots of other
influences that say, yeah, do
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this.
Loads of people just vote based
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on what their family tell.
Them to do or who just don't
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really care as much about
education as they do about like
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social wars and stuff.
Like I I've talked to people who
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worked in a school who said they
vote Tory and their whole point
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was, yeah, well, they do
something about immigration,
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aren't.
They yeah, yeah.
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And last one, all big, all big
corporations generally vote
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Tory.
They got a lot more money back
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in them.
There's a lot more money to
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brainwash you into thinking a
certain way.
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So it's gotta work on some
level, isn't it?
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They wouldn't keep doing it.
So instead listen to this
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podcast and with our very, very
tiny budget of ��0, we will try
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and brainwash you the other.
Way sorry we've got the one
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legit legitimate one.
Or they just think Tory is
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better and they vote for.
Legitimately.
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Ohh, I'd definitely so.
Yeah, which is fair enough to be
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honest with.
You, it's fine if you wanna see
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the decimation and the action,
the absolute destroying of, of
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the funding for our children and
children going hungry.
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And they had a whole macro level
of children coming into school
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with like dirty clothes more
often because their family don't
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have any money at all and
there's no support whatsoever
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before school.
And then they come and they
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can't even be toilet trained.
And then we've got to have much
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more pressure as teachers and
actually our jobs got worse over
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time.
If you liked all that, vote.
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Tory and if you want to see
tuition fees go from nothing to
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something and and that's
becoming the most important
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thing of schools in Blair,
right, We'll talk about this
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next week.
Thanks guys.
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See you next time.
