Ep 63: A Leaving Teaching Success Story With Kate Languages

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Head over and welcome back to
another episode of Teach, Sleep,

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden Hayden.
Ohh, that's great.

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I'm alright.
Yeah.

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I'm alright in a in a bad kind
of way, you know, You say I'm

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alright because that's the
reaction you've done.

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Actually, yeah.
Actually, I've got a toothache.

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Have you ever asked someone if
they are right and they've said

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anything other than yeah, you
and you thought, why did I ask?

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No.
No one's ever done it.

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That's British culture for you.
You're right.

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You can go for the worst thing
in the world.

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Yeah, I'm alright.
You.

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, good you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, all good,
Yeah.

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Good bloody weather.
Ohh.

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I met we didn't open up more.
Hayden.

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Yeah open up to me.
This is what this podcast is

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for.
Well, how are you?

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That's a lot.
Go on, tell me all about this

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two things.
Right.

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Can I rant?
You can, because these people

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have come to listen to Kate
languages, but you have to wait

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and wait.
All this MFL chat about front?

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No, he's got a little.
Booby in his teeth.

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Dentists.
OK, it's so broken.

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What is going on?
My tooth and the dentist system.

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Like everyone, young people know
about the NHS, but at least the

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NHS, like at least it exists and
and if I do need to go to any, I

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can just go, right?
Yeah, after 8 hours of waiting.

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Yeah, but at least it's there.
I mean, I can go What?

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I haven't had a dentist for
years and I cannot get one.

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I can't get NHS dentist.
So I have to pay private.

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And what annoys me is I have to
pay private even though I'm

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qualified.
I'm qualifying for the NHS in

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the same way that everyone else.
Is in the same way that you.

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This doesn't add up in this
country.

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And I'm like I'm existing adult
in this country, I work and I

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pay taxes and national.
Insurance.

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Even if you don't pay tax,
whatever reason you still can

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get, you should be able to get a
dentist.

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That's the whole point of the
system.

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Ohh, it's just annoying me so
much.

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I've needed a dentist for ages,
right?

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Hmm.
And I just know that I'm paying

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twice the amount than the next
person who's getting the exact

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same procedure as me.
But because they're NHS now, I

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don't understand why.
Like, I don't get it.

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And I'm hoping you can help me
because I don't.

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I'm just being an.
Idiot.

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Do you know what I.
Really don't understand.

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It just sounds like you're
really at the minute, so I don't

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quite understand the word you're
saying.

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So when you say, you're getting
the same thing as someone else,

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right?
Strip it back for a minute.

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You don't currently have a
dentist.

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Hmm.
Why not?

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I don't know.
I I think I do know because I

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didn't go to the dentist for a
certain amount of time.

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So they kick you off their
books, OK, apparently, right?

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Why?
OK, so devil's advocate here.

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Someone could argue that's your
own fault.

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Yeah, of course.
But my my point is what on earth

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is this system?
Because you don't have one.

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You've got toothache.
You need a dentist.

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In the same way that if I wasn't
ill for five years I would go to

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the doctors, I still don't
expect to be able to go to the

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This is why I'm so you have two
fake you need to go and see the

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dentist.
What?

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You rang them up and they said
no.

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What?
I've rang loads and I'm like

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hello?
Yeah I wanna get can I can I get

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do it through the NHS right?
Ohh no, I'm like why?

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Yeah, I haven't got any NHS
spaces, but I can come in

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privately.
So you've got spaces, right?

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I just can't pay the NHS price
for some reason.

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Right.
OK.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Same same dentist.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Same dentist, right.

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Same procedure.
Same procedure, say every.

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So everything the same, right?
Including me and the dentist.

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But then decided it's a private
one.

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But I'm not allowed to pay the
NHS price for some reason.

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Yeah, no NHS spaces.
But I do pay my tax though.

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Yeah, like I am.
There is no reason why I'm not.

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Why can't I just pay the NHS
prices?

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Like what is the reason for
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Yeah, no, never.
Not on the books.

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Can I get on the books then?
No ring around OK I rang.

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I honestly, God rang like 7
different dentists in our area.

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Every single one of them almost
laughed.

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As I said, you got any NHS
spaces like Ohh Like we get

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these naive calls every now and
then, these people that think

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they.
Can imagine thinking you can.

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Get dentists like no, no, no,
no, no.

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We're totally ramped up.
Can I buy, Can I book private?

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Yeah, come in tomorrow.
Yeah, it's like.

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Parking there is space for me.
Are you?

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I just can't be on the book.
Where where I get it cheaper.

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Like everybody else, I have to
pay private and I.

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So who decides that, I wonder?
Like, did a dentist, like, just

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decide we're gonna have 30% for
private so we can charge more

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and that's OK?
I don't.

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Know.
I don't know.

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There's obviously like, a
dentist might listen to this and

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be like, oh, they just don't
know this system.

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Listen, we got.
On their right, everyday

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dentistry.
The primary school teachers talk

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about teaching.
There were no dentists.

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Well, good, if there was a
dentist listening to this,

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because I don't know what you
deserve some kind of reward.

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Even then, I don't know why.
This we do know.

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You got teachers listening.
We got people in Australia

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listening but not a dentist.
Come on.

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Oh my God, the funniest thing
you said.

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Well, it's good because they
wouldn't want to hear me

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ranting, would they, about their
professionals.

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Either way, I'm sick of it.
End this by saying I had to go

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private.
I'm paying twice the price now,

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getting billions because I'm not
an NHS patient despite paying

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for the NHS.
Thank you dentist.

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Thank you government.
Thank you country.

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OK, added to a list of people
who don't listen to the podcast,

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who mind about the government,
the country, the country.

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Ohh anyway, that's my right.
Well, I can tell you have two

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saying you don't have very good
mood.

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Not good mood is bloody
annoying.

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How are you?
So funny I'm I'm really I'm even

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better now if there's anything
Oh my God.

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Anyway I'm good.
I just wanted to mention

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something before we go into the
chat with Kate.

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Firstly we we actually recorded
this couch cat with chain.

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Ohh what what is wrong with me?
We're actually recorded this

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chat with Kate I think two or
three weeks ago now but just the

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way the schedules worked out
it's coming out now.

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So busy so busy guys.
We've got so many dentists to go

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to and sorry, all the dentists.
This thing if you were waiting

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on that ML chat about modern
foreign languages which I know

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you are with bated breath.
But I got we got a message on

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our Instagram from this
Instagram page I don't set up

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not dentist don't listen called
parents of Hutchinson now

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parents of Hutchinson.
It seems to me I get the idea

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that it's a group of parents
who've got together who are fed

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up with what's happening to
their local school.

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It's a nice little village
school and it's umm I wonder

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what could what it could be that
could could rapidly change in a

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school really quickly and it's
completely obliterated it from

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the ground up.
What could it be, Hayden?

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Has their school Eva.
There's just some crazy new SLT

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coming in there, just rocking,
rocking the boat, right?

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Or it's become an Academy.
It's become an Academy trust.

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So yeah, this group of parents
have just had enough.

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Basically I love this action
from the ground up, but this is

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their word.
So again, there's two sides to

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every story, but this is your
words to the parents.

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And I think for me personally,
the parents are kind of a

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neutral ground here.
Like if their parents are saying

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something, I think there's
something fishy going on.

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Anyway there are small village
school and within six months

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they they say it's been
completely obliterated.

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Their school buy a new CEO of an
Academy trust still find it

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mental that schools have CEO's.
It just doesn't sit right with

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me this this was the bit that
was really the kick out and it's

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and it's they have not denied
this the trust OK OK All

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teachers are now absent from
work off on sick offensively

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teachers all teachers.
There are six teachers who are

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all off on sick leave.
So immediately I was like, well,

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that's an immediate red flag.
What?

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What's your first opinion there?
Were you here six teachers are

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on sick leave six months after
CEO came in and it was taken.

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Two options isn't there right?
Either.

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There's a bug going around that
it's just a crazy coincidence.

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Virus, Yeah, You know, which is
a possibility extremely low.

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Yeah, well when they're off
because it's work related

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stress.
Yeah, OK.

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If it's specifically work
related stress, then yeah,

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obviously there's a problem with
the school.

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How can anyone?
How can anyone be thinking?

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Or it could be something else,
though.

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Maybe they weren't strong, they
want a strong team and they just

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didn't like the leadership.
Like, no, the leadership of

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terrible.
So this to me seems like the

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culmination of everything you've
ever spoken about in this

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podcast.
What could go wrong in a school?

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So they were next in line for an
Ofsted inspection, previously

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outstanding school and the only
one in the trust which was

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outstanding.
But the CEO's come in and put

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heaped huge pressure on the
school, tried to make many

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changes in a really short space
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Teachers are curriculum leads
for up to 4 subjects which we

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know can really affect small
schools like this.

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You've got to have a lead music
and ICT and all that kind of

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stuff and as well as
safeguarding SN and stuff.

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Just the the pressures through
the roof of such a small team to

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deliver that.
And these parents have

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complained to the trustees, been
completely ignored, complained

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to the DfE awaiting a response
at the time of this message

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being sent.
And they've actually now had a

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few articles published in some
local newspapers and as of

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yesterday, which is what dogma
memory of this there's a BBC

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article now about them about
them their parents complaining

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and basically saying their their
children want.

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I think one staff I got to find
it on the BBC website quickly.

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But it was something like
they've had six different

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teachers in the last few weeks
just where basically this trust

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have got in staff from the wider
trust to come in and cover this

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absentees to go try and cover up
the fact that they've completely

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rinsed this score.
So you know what What's your

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what would you what would you
say to these parents are worried

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about this?
As in advice on what to.

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Do.
No, I would say they're clearly

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the right thing.
But like, you know, and people

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listening who are thinking, are
they overreacting?

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These parents, I want you to put
into words, you know how we see

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this happen?
It's not.

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Yeah.
Well firstly like good for you

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parents.
Like stick up for the teachers.

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That sounds like what you're
doing there is you're taking up

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the teachers, not jumping on the
bandwagon being like yeah, he

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just must be terrible, God, how
dare they leave my child going

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off for work related stress.
So the bigger issue there is and

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then the the teachers, if
they're often work related

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stress, there's a problem in
school.

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But yeah, we do see this all the
time.

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I don't see this all the time.
This is like this is next level

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in my opinion.
But it's what could happen to a

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lot of schools, you know and and
could be happening without

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parents knowing about it.
You know, the amount of times

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we've seen people go off and
work related stress in, you

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know, in previous times.
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Where we, we know it's happened.
We know why it's happened.

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And then like, you know, I'm not
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Someone unqualified has just
been ushered in to kind of cover

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that class for a while.
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And it kind of just goes under
the radar and parents don't seem

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to know what's going on.
Sometimes it's because we're

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completely broken.
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And what winds me up is we talk
about all the time the pressures

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we face in schools and the
funding cuts that we've had.

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We we're already in a dire
situation as schools.

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And what we don't need are these
unbelievable people in suits

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just walking in and be like they
changed 47 things in a row

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because Ofsted said once They're
like the books to be the right

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way up and the book.
Yeah, that was mad.

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Chill out you are the direct
reason and you are contributing

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to this work related stress.
Yes we've got enough of it

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already with Ofsted and and just
the fact we've got no money but

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these SLT are not helping and I
want just maybe say a word

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Hayden on you know the safety of
the children in this in this

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this is what the parents worried
about as well.

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Yeah, they're sticking up for
the teachers, but they feel like

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they're putting their children
into vulnerable situations,

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sending them in.
Well, they are.

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They're your children are now
not getting a decent one,

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potentially not getting a decent
education.

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And how can they know them?
If they've got educational

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needs?
How on earth can the fourth

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different person in two weeks
know the needs of that child?

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Yeah, well, they won't.
You know, there might be some

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files in place, but
realistically, you know, relying

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on a lot of people to a lot of
cogs in the machine there.

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But I think it's terrible.
It's absolutely dreadful.

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And I think they should keep
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And I think the SLT management
and trust should be held

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extremely accountable.
So I'm going to read to you what

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the spokesperson of the trust
has said in response to this.

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Because I, I, I kind of saw this
and I thought, well, I wonder

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what the trust have to say just
to see, you know, could they pay

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basically say, Oh well, you
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of this, this and this.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
OK.

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A reasonable explanation.
Maybe we don't have to agree

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with everything you're doing,
but OK, that makes sense.

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Yeah, it's exactly what they
said.

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I wanna see what your opinion is
of this.

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So spokesperson of the trust
said unfortunately we have had a

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number of staff from Hutchinson
Memorial CE First school off

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sick and have been taking steps
to support these staff as well

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as ensure the education of our
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We understand parents concerns
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newsletters and responding to
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we have already met with a
number of them to ensure that

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they are truly fully informed
and to reassure them that we are

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doing our very best to mitigate
any impact.

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UH the Trust is investing in
educational and financial

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support for the school, a
spokesperson added.

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Ofsted said it didn't want to
comment on individual inspectors

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and.
Schools.

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It was just that.
It was just a lot of nothing.

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There was nothing there.
There was nothing was said.

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It was like any politician
what's been said.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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No, no.
Sounds like that was very

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political, isn't it?
You know, the politicians go on,

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they question about something
that where their answer might

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look bad to the followers.
So they don't answer.

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They do anything to avoid it and
they.

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Just say more.
Is that the amount of parents

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saying they don't?
They've not had answers for

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months?
Yeah.

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And the spokesperson has just
come out and said we've spoken

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to them.
Yeah, I was.

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I haven't though properly Have
you like, I'm sorry you haven't?

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No.
Because parents are a neutral

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force in a school pretty much.
So, you know, if they've got a

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question and they're saying it's
not been answered, it's probably

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not been answered.
It's pathetic.

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Yeah.
I'd love to talk to someone from

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that.
I don't know why they.

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Taking kids out genuinely, if
you can this.

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Is the point of saying they
don't want to.

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It's a small village school.
Is there any option?

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And and also the fact that they
they doing really well in that

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school before this happened,
they loved the school.

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Yeah they've got the parent of a
child here with additional

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needs.
Who said that?

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The teachers.
Fine.

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But again, so much out of them.
We know we've built

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relationships with kids.
We get the most out.

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Yeah, of course.
And then it's come to the point

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where the teacher had to go.
I can't do it by And that kids

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left in limbo and that parent
doesn't wanna take that kid out

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because where else would they
go?

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But at the same point knows
they're not.

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They're getting a bad education.
Yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know.
The answer to that is a horrible

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situation other than to keep
pushing for change.

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Yeah, quicker, you know, because
clearly the change is needed for

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these.
Teachers, come back.

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I'll stay in touch with the
person who sent me that.

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Anyone who wants to know the
articles, I'll link them below

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if you want them.
What do you think was like the,

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what's your gut feeling as to
the main reason that all the

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staff went off?
Because I I know you and the

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reason I say because you
mentioned that they're doing,

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you know, making loads of
changes at once.

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Do you think that's why all of
the change at once?

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Yeah, I my personal opinion on
this is that when six or seven

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teachers all go off on work
related stress at the same time,

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that has to be extremely
terrible The situation, because

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teachers are the reason why the
fact we're still in this job

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anyway shows that we're quite
resilient as a whole.

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We're quite resilient people in
terms of we know that there's no

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support for us.
We know that it's a job where we

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have to work ridiculously hard.
The amount of hours we put into

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the output of what is at the end
of their job in terms of the

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money we get is terrible.
So we're already battling

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against that and we already know
that it's powerful the for for

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that many people as a proportion
of a small school, to have to go

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off to work related stress.
To me, there is only one reason

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why that's happening and that is
the direct impact of six months

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before being taken over by trust
and Academy CEO's come in and

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said we need to change
absolutely everything right now.

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You know, we know what that
feels like, being told from the

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top down that we're changing 17
things at once and we know the

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effect it can have on a staff
team.

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And I think a lot of staff 90%
of the time will take that

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burden on their back and burn
themselves out.

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And it sounds like these guys
have said no, I'm, I've already

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burnt out.
So I'm left because I'm stressed

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and I'm not having it.
I'm not, I'm not taking it and

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this guy is.
This is what happens when

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teachers stand up and say this
is unacceptable liking and

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unacceptable conditions and
you're expecting too much from

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me.
This is what happens.

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And the kids lose out and again,
they'll be a bunch of people who

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listen to that and say those
bloody teachers, how could they

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let those kids down?
And I want to tell you now, the

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answer is not that the teachers
have let the kids down.

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The system is that the kids
down.

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The lack of funding has let the
kids down.

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And in this situation we can
point directly to that trust and

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say you have let the children
down because you're actually

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your fault.
Your actions have led to these

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teachers leaving.
What is your job as a manager of

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a trust?
As a head teacher, you know, as

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a CEO, your job is no longer
actually anything to do with the

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data they running the kids.
Your job is to manage the staff

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so that they do that job
properly.

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That's what.
That's just, you know, simple

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business.
Really is and it trickles down.

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So yeah, but de facto it is the
kids.

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But you do that by fostering an
amazing situation where the kids

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are 195% in front of the
children are the ones delivering

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an amazing education.
Guess what?

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Your inputs caused them to
leave.

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Yeah, if all the kids in my
class didn't want to come to

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school anymore because of the
pressures I put on in the

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classroom.
I mean, it's so horrible would

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be in my classroom that all of
the kids didn't come in anymore

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and they're just like just going
off left, right and centre.

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There's my fault.
If all of the teachers go off,

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it's the it's the person above
them's fault.

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Do you know what I mean?
Agile.

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It's just it's simple, isn't it?
But whether whether there's a

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simple solution, I don't know.
It sounds like they're very

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highly politically trained to
just ignore it all the bat it

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all off.
Yeah, I don't know.

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I I my, my my prediction is
Ofsted will come in eventually

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because they'll be enough
backlash and they'll come in and

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just cut the whole the whole lot
and just get rid of.

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All the issue is offset a part
of the problem.

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Ofsted are part of the issue,
while there are SL2, think they

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can behave that.
Way doesn't so much.

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There's only so much bad media
isn't they can take during

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during the pandemic when
everyone was like yeah, can we

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feed our kids though And they're
like Nah and it was enough bad

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press.
Ohh yeah, we'll feed the kids.

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We love it.
It's, you know, sometimes

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they're forced into making
decisions that are actually.

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Good.
It's so true.

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It's so.
True.

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That's pretty depressing.
Yeah, sorry.

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I'm sorry to I I don't like that
because I don't know what to

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say.
Like there's nothing I can't

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even be like Ohh, I've heard of
this situation before.

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You need to do this, this and
this and things will improve

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quickly.
Like they're on it.

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Yeah, sounds like they're on it.
And again, as from from a

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professional point of view as a
teacher, I'm grateful to them

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for the line they're taking.
Which is, Wait a minute, let's

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just look at the macro here.
Why are you treating?

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The trust one, The trust
obviously want the parents to

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turn on the teachers.
Right.

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Of course.
And they want they're saying not

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think it's their fault and then
just be like, I don't know, ohh

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the trust are looking after the
school because they're filling

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the gap.
Teachers, Daily Mail told me

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actually there's a lazy
teachers, they must we must have

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just got six of them.
Ohh so where do we?

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Go 6 So weird because for years
before they were outstanding and

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really good.
And it just so happened that

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when we changed management, they
became really lazy.

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Terribly easy.
So weird.

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Gotta hate them.
Striking teachers.

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They must be all lazy.
They must be all terrible.

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I mean, it's the only way we can
explain it, right?

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So lazy.
Thank you anyway.

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Moving on.
Lazy, lazy teachers not doing

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their job properly.
You talk about teacher left

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their job and set up an amazing
visit.

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Because me and Hayden set up a
business and look on part time

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and Kate left each other well,
not part time.

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It's full time doing her job.
So that's so much.

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Why isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, You're the brilliant

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languages.
We're gonna talk about all

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things modern for languages and
running a successful business,

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which she does.
I think it was really nice chat.

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Look forward to it.
So we jump in.

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That's it.
Hello Kate Languages is that?

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Is that your real second name?
Languages is.

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That.
Do you know what that is so

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funny.
It's one of my hilarious jokes.

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I always do like no, my name is
Kate Clifton but haha, most

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people think my name is Kate.
Languages.

456
00:18:11,140 --> 00:18:13,570
Ohh you you got in there with my
joke before.

457
00:18:13,580 --> 00:18:16,470
Sorry, I just, I just think
everyone that's how they used to

458
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,260
do second names, isn't it?
That's where you like Smith

459
00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:19,360
from.
They were a blacksmith, like

460
00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:21,190
you're a language.
Teacher that's so true.

461
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,450
Although I do remember when I
was a teacher, I did use to tell

462
00:18:23,460 --> 00:18:25,630
kids that my first name was Miss
cause you know that all they

463
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,780
always want to know your first
name.

464
00:18:26,790 --> 00:18:29,650
I was like ohh it's miss because
my parents were teachers and

465
00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:32,790
they wanted me to be a teacher
so they just call me miss so.

466
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,210
Yeah, which remain remind you of
the episode of The Simpsons.

467
00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:37,890
If anyone watches The Simpsons
where Homer, his whole life he's

468
00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:39,550
he's been called Homer Jay
Simpson.

469
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,070
He's like he's never known what
the Jay stood for and he's like

470
00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,300
I just need to know And he
finally gets to this thing where

471
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:45,910
it's like revealed it's find a
Bush.

472
00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:49,850
He moves this tree and the J
stands for Jay.

473
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,270
It's classic when I when I was
at school.

474
00:18:54,340 --> 00:18:55,890
And it depends how young the
kids are, right?

475
00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:57,450
How much they believe this sort
of stuff.

476
00:18:57,460 --> 00:18:59,460
When I was at school in year
two, I never forget this.

477
00:19:00,220 --> 00:19:03,770
My teacher told me that she
lived in the attic of of the

478
00:19:03,780 --> 00:19:05,320
school.
She was like, you see those bits

479
00:19:05,330 --> 00:19:07,450
there and you know, the bit like
the rules, we can kind of poke

480
00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:09,170
them up.
Yeah, she was like, yeah, we,

481
00:19:09,180 --> 00:19:10,970
you know, I just go up there
cause it's easy for me to do my

482
00:19:10,980 --> 00:19:14,310
job and I fully, fully believed
it and I was gutted when I found

483
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,850
out it wasn't true.
It's like when they see you out

484
00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:19,680
of school and they're just like
I saw him McDonald's at the

485
00:19:19,690 --> 00:19:22,550
weekend miss and you're like ohh
why didn't you come and say hi?

486
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,090
That's just a bit creepy that
you just watched me ordering my

487
00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:30,060
burgers in McDonald's.
Latest one right now look it's

488
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:34,760
Kate languages so we sorry we we
have like missed languages

489
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,090
languages yeah that's a full
name that would be.

490
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:41,350
Such a good name, wouldn't it,
for an MFL teacher named it.

491
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,010
Deed Poll or something.
You could do that.

492
00:19:43,060 --> 00:19:44,650
Ohh no.
I did that a couple of years ago

493
00:19:44,660 --> 00:19:46,110
and I got married.
I'm not doing it again.

494
00:19:46,580 --> 00:19:49,110
I'm not changing my name again.
This is really annoying.

495
00:19:49,810 --> 00:19:54,650
Married Mr. Anyway, I'm.
Sorry we went well for real

496
00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:56,320
sidetrack there.
Kate, welcome to the podcast.

497
00:19:56,330 --> 00:20:00,350
We've been having this back and
forth for ages now and and MFL

498
00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:01,800
modern foreign languages just
hugging.

499
00:20:01,810 --> 00:20:03,840
You wanna talk about?
We're gonna talk about the fact

500
00:20:03,850 --> 00:20:06,260
you've left teaching now and
you've got your own business and

501
00:20:06,270 --> 00:20:07,880
that that'll be really
interesting to dive into it.

502
00:20:07,890 --> 00:20:09,970
But before we go into all of
that, just for our listeners at

503
00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:12,310
home, you know, who are you?
Kate?

504
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,230
Languages.
Who who?

505
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,190
What do you do?
What's your story?

506
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,590
OK, well.
My real name is Kate Clifton,

507
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,780
Mrs Kate Clifton.
And yes, I used to be a language

508
00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:27,110
teacher.
I left seven years ago now,

509
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,310
which has gone really, really
quickly, actually.

510
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,890
So it's my 7th anniversary of
setting up Kate languages, which

511
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:37,050
is what people probably know me
better as in May.

512
00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:40,630
So yeah, that's, I don't know
how how that's gone so fast.

513
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,030
So I well, I mean, gosh, how far
back do you want me to go?

514
00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:48,520
I studied French and German and
taught English as a foreign

515
00:20:48,530 --> 00:20:51,100
language a little while went and
travelled around and lived in

516
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:53,560
Indonesia for a year, which was
really really fun.

517
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:58,540
And then came came back to the
UK thinking, ohh, I'll do a PGCE

518
00:20:58,550 --> 00:21:00,640
and then I'll just like go and
teach in an International

519
00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:02,770
School, go back to Indonesia or
Singapore or somewhere.

520
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:05,020
Never did that.
Stayed in London for a few years

521
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,730
and then did a Masters in
Applied Linguistics and then

522
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,400
went back into teaching for
another few years.

523
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:16,210
So I kind of left twice, once.
And when I was doing my masters,

524
00:21:16,220 --> 00:21:19,070
part of me was like, ohh, maybe
I'll do a PhD and I'll just like

525
00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:22,510
teaching the university.
But I don't know, I just got

526
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,870
back into secondary teacher.
So yeah, I trained to teach

527
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,680
secondary French and German, and
then I've always kind of had a

528
00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:33,930
bit of Spanish as well, been to
Spain loads and along the way

529
00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:37,330
I've picked up a an A level in
Spanish as well, just randomly,

530
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,270
you know, as you do.
Just the odd a.

531
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,470
Levels in a way as you do.
So, yeah, So I.

532
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,170
But I think that's really
helped.

533
00:21:43,180 --> 00:21:45,480
That can offer French, German
and Spanish.

534
00:21:45,490 --> 00:21:49,660
Yeah, Which a lot of people
can't do, which is totally

535
00:21:49,670 --> 00:21:51,580
normal.
Like, you know, I wouldn't

536
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:53,980
expect people to be able to do
the three languages.

537
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:56,620
And so, yeah, so that's been a
nutshell.

538
00:21:56,630 --> 00:22:02,810
And then like I say, about seven
years ago, I left teaching and I

539
00:22:02,890 --> 00:22:07,740
started off doing tuition with
wow, This is one of things about

540
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:10,210
languages, actually, is that I
was teaching kids from the age

541
00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:13,260
of about 5 right through to
adults.

542
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:16,310
I had like a little group of
retired adults, and we'd all

543
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,670
meet in this woman's kitchen and
like sit around and teach them a

544
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,370
bit of holiday Spanish and and
all that kind of thing.

545
00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:24,770
So yeah, so I did that.
And then I started working with

546
00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:28,930
teachers more and more, and now
I just work with teachers.

547
00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:32,090
So I and people always find this
really funny as I teach

548
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:37,100
languages to languages teachers
because we could talk about you

549
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:39,990
know, the what's going on in
primary schools and languages.

550
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,110
But what's really interesting is
secondary schools as well is you

551
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,830
do get a lot of people who make
so like me, you know have a

552
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,970
degree in French and German and
then the school wants to

553
00:22:48,980 --> 00:22:50,720
introduce Spanish.
Quite a lot of schools are

554
00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:56,080
phasing out German in particular
and and they want to introduce

555
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:58,520
Spanish but the teachers don't
speak Spanish.

556
00:22:58,590 --> 00:23:01,300
So there are then they're like,
ohh, you'll be fine, don't

557
00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:04,520
worry.
So these teachers are just like,

558
00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:07,870
I don't speak Spanish and I'm
being expected to suddenly teach

559
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,840
Spanish.
So that's where I come in.

560
00:23:09,850 --> 00:23:13,790
And I I kind of, I noticed that
a lot of people are talking

561
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,350
about this on social media and
sort of saying, ohh, you know, I

562
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:20,400
need to do a SK you know,
subject knowledge course or

563
00:23:20,410 --> 00:23:22,320
something to learn a bit of
Spanish.

564
00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:24,660
And I was thinking, yeah, this
could be quite good.

565
00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:26,800
So, well, language is much
harder.

566
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:28,820
One to kind of wing, isn't it?
I I have secondary school

567
00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:31,440
teacher friends and they always
say that they're constantly

568
00:23:31,450 --> 00:23:33,860
being like pushed around from
pillar to post in which subject

569
00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:35,920
they're teaching.
They'd be like, I I came here to

570
00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:38,030
teach drama and suddenly I'm
doing the maths quickly for the

571
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,560
year sevens this year.
You know the language.

572
00:23:40,570 --> 00:23:41,860
Yeah, I've never really thought
about that.

573
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:43,660
You can't just kind of go in,
you know?

574
00:23:43,670 --> 00:23:46,580
Like with in primary school we
can just we can just keep a

575
00:23:46,590 --> 00:23:48,440
lesson ahead.
When it comes to topics we've

576
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:50,310
never taught before, it's really
not that hard.

577
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:52,000
Just be a step ahead of the
kids.

578
00:23:52,090 --> 00:23:55,090
But that doesn't really work, I
suppose, at all hard, isn't it?

579
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,310
With languages that's it's much.
Harder with languages.

580
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,490
And I think even you know, even
if you, if you speak French, you

581
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,690
know Spanish is kind of similar.
Although I do find with the

582
00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:07,580
teachers who teach, the ones who
are French speakers learning

583
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:10,990
Spanish and do get their heads
really, really muddled up and

584
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,400
then they'll mispronounce words
because they look the same in

585
00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:15,150
French and Spanish and and
things like that.

586
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,200
So it's not that easy.
And I think, yeah, you know,

587
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:19,230
there is a bit of a thing like
try and keep one step ahead of

588
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,000
the kids, try and keep one page
head in the textbook.

589
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:24,820
But you don't.
A lot of it's about your

590
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:28,000
confidence as well and like
being able to pronounce the

591
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:31,220
language, umm.
And then always knowing a little

592
00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:34,560
bit more than the kids are.
Quite often what I'll do is

593
00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:37,180
we'll teach, you know, I'll be
doing verbs or something and

594
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:39,020
I'll just be like, right, I'm
going to teach you the whole

595
00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:41,540
verb, but you're probably not
gonna have to teach this.

596
00:24:41,550 --> 00:24:43,140
But there's always gonna be one
kid.

597
00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:47,120
It's like, but I wanna say we
play and you were going, I only

598
00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:51,730
know how to say I play and I
don't like, so so yeah, so

599
00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:55,840
that's kind of, you know, what I
do when I'm working with

600
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:58,250
teachers.
So it's really interesting.

601
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,370
Do you reckon on the scale of
nothing to fluent speaker of a

602
00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:01,970
language?
How?

603
00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:04,430
Where do you think you need to
be on that scale to, like, get

604
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,690
away with the job?
To do it.

605
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,970
At least semi.
And we're not, we're not asking

606
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:11,730
this as people who are not
fluent at all.

607
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,990
We know all of the languages,
all of the language languaging

608
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,790
really well, yeah.
Yeah, I yeah, I think it really,

609
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,720
really depends on the level.
Obviously if you're teaching a

610
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:26,670
level then you need to be pretty
fluid.

611
00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:28,360
Yeah, a date that you can blag
it.

612
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:31,000
I mean, like I say, I've got a
an A level in Spanish, but I

613
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:34,220
wouldn't teach Spanish A level,
I can teach Spanish TSA.

614
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:36,980
So it's almost like you need to
just be like the level ahead.

615
00:25:36,990 --> 00:25:39,530
So if you've got an A level, you
can probably teach GCSE fairly

616
00:25:39,540 --> 00:25:41,680
confidently.
If you've got a GCSE, you can

617
00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:46,180
probably teach key stage 3 I
think for primary school

618
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:49,640
ideally, Yeah, if you've got a
GCSE in the language.

619
00:25:50,410 --> 00:25:53,530
But then saying that, I mean
just throwing in all these

620
00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:56,040
random languages.
I actually randomly did Italian

621
00:25:56,050 --> 00:26:00,050
GCSE about 20 years ago and I'm
not gonna go around teaching.

622
00:26:00,060 --> 00:26:01,320
Italian.
I know it's.

623
00:26:01,330 --> 00:26:04,720
Mad learn a bit of Indonesia
when I lived in Indonesia.

624
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,350
I won't be teaching any
Indonesian either.

625
00:26:06,460 --> 00:26:12,290
But but no, I mean my point here
is I did it 20 years ago and I

626
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:15,360
would not teach Italian like I
literally can't remember any and

627
00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:17,650
I would probably just speak
Spanish if I tried to teach

628
00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:22,450
Italian.
So yeah, but I think I would say

629
00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:25,180
you don't need to be fluent.
Absolutely not.

630
00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:26,740
No.
Well, I guess.

631
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:30,180
At the point I'm gonna come in
because what Hayden saying is a

632
00:26:30,190 --> 00:26:32,900
good point about I think with
languages you think it's so

633
00:26:32,910 --> 00:26:35,610
unique almost I that's what I
think anyway because if I think

634
00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:39,480
about history very much so I I
can learn about Tutankhamun in

635
00:26:39,490 --> 00:26:42,040
10 minutes myself because I'm
gonna deliver lesson Tutankhamun

636
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:45,740
with you know I feel like maths
is probably closer to MFL.

637
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:48,060
And what I mean by this is with
maths you know you're teaching

638
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:51,400
something a strand and as a
teacher you might you need to be

639
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:53,410
confident enough to kind of make
those links.

640
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:55,530
It's a very like link based
curriculum match.

641
00:26:55,540 --> 00:26:57,200
Like OHH.
This strand definitely links

642
00:26:57,210 --> 00:26:58,960
with like what we're gonna be
doing in the future or what

643
00:26:58,970 --> 00:27:00,290
we've done in the past very
much.

644
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:04,600
So it's it's harder to teach
maths unless you can make those

645
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:06,920
things or teach it well.
And I feel like with MFL, making

646
00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:08,810
those links would be super,
super important.

647
00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:11,350
Like you said about those verbs,
there's always one kid who wants

648
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,610
to do the kid.
What's nothing?

649
00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:13,960
Else, yeah, yeah, we would be
hard.

650
00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:16,290
To kind of keep kids in a box in
their modern foreign language

651
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,820
lesson because like you said
that with some kids can already

652
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:20,850
count to 10.
So we count to 10 and you've

653
00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:23,500
just taught yourself how to
count to 10 and kids can already

654
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:25,680
do it.
It's it's quite tricky then I

655
00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:29,000
suppose to be like ohh well
count to 20 but I don't actually

656
00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:30,830
know that so yes so all.
That's funny.

657
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,200
YouTube video and try and sing
along or something.

658
00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:34,500
Yeah, situation.
What do?

659
00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:35,180
You do When?
When?

660
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:38,080
I guess my point is you've got a
class that's got a class of

661
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:40,070
kids.
And this happens in primary

662
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,280
school and I think happens a lot
more in secondary school because

663
00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:45,600
I think about my experience when
I went to secondary school, my

664
00:27:45,610 --> 00:27:49,430
school taught French and other
school that like kind of joined

665
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,880
together in that local area.
Hadn't taught from primary

666
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:53,180
school.
Yeah, my primary school taught

667
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:54,550
French and another primary
school hadn't.

668
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,090
We both went to secondary school
and half the class just couldn't

669
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,230
do anything and half the class
could like how how did you, how

670
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,860
did you manage to manage that as
like a modern language teacher

671
00:28:02,170 --> 00:28:03,700
that is.
Such an interesting question and

672
00:28:03,710 --> 00:28:07,670
it's something that our
secondary school teachers, I've

673
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,670
gotta say in my experience
teaching MFL, we kind of just

674
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,480
start from the beginning again.
And yes, seven because you can't

675
00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:17,100
guarantee and you know you're
talking about two primary

676
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:18,420
schools.
I mean, I've, I've worked in

677
00:28:18,430 --> 00:28:20,740
plenty of secondary schools
where you've got like 10 feeder

678
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:23,520
primary schools and some of them
might have a bit of Spanish and

679
00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:25,260
some of them have done a bit of
French.

680
00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:28,260
Some of them think they've done
quite a lot of French.

681
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,650
And they're like, yeah, yeah, I
know Bonjour with all that in

682
00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:32,300
it.
And you're like, OK, Anything

683
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:34,910
else?
They're like and you're like,

684
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,770
right, OK, great.
So yeah.

685
00:28:36,780 --> 00:28:39,970
And The thing is, you can't
immediately set them according

686
00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:41,670
to how much they've done at
primary school.

687
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,850
And actually we would find that
probably by half term, by

688
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:51,250
October, half term, if not
Christmas in year seven.

689
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,670
You've probably all caught up.
Hmm.

690
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,810
And there are some primary
schools where the provision is

691
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,900
absolutely incredible.
And and I almost, I know it

692
00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:03,970
sounds weird, I almost feel a
bit sorry for the kids from

693
00:29:03,980 --> 00:29:06,360
those schools because they, they
do actually have really, really

694
00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:08,420
good language skills.
And then they're just like, oh,

695
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:10,190
you're just sitting there
learning how to introduce

696
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,230
themselves again and and
whatever.

697
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,060
So I mean that is one of the the
biggest challenges over

698
00:29:15,070 --> 00:29:17,760
secondary teaching definitely.
But it just seemed, you know, I

699
00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:20,130
mean adaptive teaching.
That's sort of exactly one of

700
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:22,760
these buzzwords, isn't it?
But it's, it is so important.

701
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:24,660
I think you just have to be
aware of that.

702
00:29:24,890 --> 00:29:28,170
One of the other massive things
that you have for languages that

703
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:31,180
you don't get with any other
subject is native speakers.

704
00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:32,920
Sure.
So you you.

705
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:35,210
Might get a native speaker
coming in in year seven.

706
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:37,610
And you're like, well, I'm
teaching everybody else how to

707
00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:40,230
count to 20 and you're
completely fluent.

708
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,060
Yeah, Yeah.
What do you do?

709
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:42,680
Yeah.
What do you?

710
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:44,580
Do I mean ideally?
You put them in another

711
00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:48,310
language, but yeah, sometimes
you can't and it's hard.

712
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,650
But again, you just have to
adapt your teaching and you, you

713
00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:54,370
know, they sometimes they quite
like being A and listened and

714
00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:58,550
they can help you and you can
model pronunciation and stuff

715
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,180
with them.
So there there are a lot, you

716
00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:02,790
know, I mean, gosh, there are so
many different things you can do

717
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,390
with them.
Usually again, and this is just

718
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200
in my experience, but I know
from a lot of other people they

719
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:11,940
find this as well.
And quite often their writing

720
00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:16,800
skills aren't great if they've,
if they've grown up in the UK or

721
00:30:16,810 --> 00:30:19,530
if they left, you know, they
they were born, say in Spain and

722
00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:21,060
then left when they were quite
young.

723
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:23,300
They're speaking and listening
will be great, but they're, you

724
00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:24,840
know, they're reading and
writing would be great.

725
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:26,350
So you can kind of focus on that
as well.

726
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,660
So there's ways of getting
around everything I guess.

727
00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:34,830
But yeah, yeah, I think for me
as a secondary teacher, I

728
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,380
actually think the the language
that you teach in your primary

729
00:30:37,390 --> 00:30:39,240
school isn't the most important
thing.

730
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:43,010
So worrying about your
curriculum and you know, ohh,

731
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:44,740
we've got to cover this and
we've got to do this and they

732
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:47,140
need to know how to use
different tenses and they need

733
00:30:47,150 --> 00:30:49,120
to know how to give an opinion
and stuff like that.

734
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:50,640
It's great.
It's all well and good, but they

735
00:30:50,650 --> 00:30:52,450
will be taught that straight
away in year seven.

736
00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:53,770
Yeah, sure.
And what would?

737
00:30:53,780 --> 00:30:56,190
You say you like from us as
primary school teachers.

738
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,210
You know, as a secondary school
teacher, what would you like

739
00:30:58,220 --> 00:30:59,250
from primary?
I was I.

740
00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:02,130
Was gonna go one step further
even and just say OK, well based

741
00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:04,450
on what you've just said like is
there any point that's doing it.

742
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,050
Like even honestly like that
point but and I'm sure there is

743
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,880
a point but I wanna hear it from
you like if if if they are gonna

744
00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:13,840
be taught again and like those
kids who hadn't been taught

745
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:16,710
anything kind of just catch up
by, you know October half time

746
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,730
anyway.
What's what's stopping a primary

747
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:20,700
school Just saying Oh well
they'll just learn anyway.

748
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:22,050
Like what?
What are the benefits do you

749
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:23,620
think of starting early and
doing something?

750
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:26,060
Even if it doesn't matter what
language, then what are the kids

751
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:27,270
getting out of it in your
opinion?

752
00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:28,580
Do you?
Know what?

753
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:30,890
My answer is actually the same
to both of your questions, even

754
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:31,960
though they're different
questions.

755
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:36,420
Which is really interesting,
because it's about, for me, it's

756
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:40,820
about motivation and for the
kids to just have an idea that

757
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:42,750
people speak other languages.
Sure.

758
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,760
And that you can communicate in
other languages.

759
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:50,760
And to come up to secondary
school with enthusiasm for the

760
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:52,450
idea of learning foreign
languages.

761
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,340
And like I said, I don't think
it.

762
00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:57,110
I don't think it hugely matters
which one they've been doing.

763
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,910
I think the most important thing
is that they haven't got the

764
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,190
impression and I'm not saying
that you guys do this at all,

765
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,750
but throughout primary schools
like ohh God, this thing that

766
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,030
we've got like shoving our
already very yeah packed

767
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,640
timetable and that's probably
the difference.

768
00:32:11,650 --> 00:32:13,540
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

769
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:16,950
It's funny hearing you say that
cause I was just imagining, OK,

770
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,510
what would a history teacher,
secondary school teacher say in

771
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,730
this same scenario?
And you know what?

772
00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:24,060
I think it would be the same I
think, if we asked the history

773
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:25,490
teacher.
Or do you care if they learned

774
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,490
about toys and cartoon in
primary school?

775
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,500
And they probably they probably
be like, not really.

776
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:31,200
They care more about.
Skills so they they care more.

777
00:32:31,210 --> 00:32:33,340
About well, have you exposed
your kids to the subject of

778
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:36,200
history and and have you made
the most effort to get them to

779
00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:39,360
enjoy learning about history?
I feel like that that would be

780
00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:42,320
quite a similar answer to what
you're saying in terms of what a

781
00:32:42,330 --> 00:32:44,210
primary school should do.
What is the?

782
00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:45,660
MFN provision in your school
then.

783
00:32:45,670 --> 00:32:47,780
I've always been I've listened
to your podcast loads and I'm

784
00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:49,400
like, I've never.
I've never.

785
00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:51,340
I don't know maybe you have
talked about it but I've not

786
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:53,130
heard you.
Yeah, This is why we're.

787
00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:54,980
Really keen to have a chat as
well because I think it's

788
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:58,140
something it's something we've
we've not talked about much and

789
00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:00,860
I think that one of the biggest
reasons is because well there's

790
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:03,120
two reasons.
One, because we're not we don't

791
00:33:03,130 --> 00:33:05,840
teach it in our school but like
as in as in me personally the

792
00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:08,900
kids get model for languages but
me personally as a teacher we

793
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:10,180
don't teach modern foreign
language.

794
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:11,060
We used to in our.
Old school.

795
00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:13,170
We should reflect on that.
So we'll go through, yeah.

796
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:14,730
Interesting.
Yeah, it is.

797
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:16,310
Interesting because you're
right.

798
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
When when we're in our old
school, it was very much, we

799
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:22,350
taught it, but it was, it was
like, and this is going to sound

800
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,580
awful, it was like the bottom of
the rung.

801
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:26,140
It was the bottom of the rung in
terms of we are given so much

802
00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:29,360
support and so much help and so
much guidance and so much we

803
00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:32,050
need to see this for every other
subject and for modern foreign

804
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:33,540
languages.
It was we've got an online

805
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:35,920
subscription to this thing just
click through one a week, do one

806
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:39,730
lesson a week And and what we do
now is we don't teach it at all.

807
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:43,150
And we have a, a, a teacher come
in who it literally just teaches

808
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,680
Spanish in the afternoon and and
they teach Spanish to the whole

809
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:48,400
school.
So on Monday they'll do year

810
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:51,420
four, Tuesday they'll do year 3,
whatever it is because that's

811
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:54,080
part of our PA cover.
So we don't even think about it

812
00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:56,660
as teachers now and I think
that's a big a big point I

813
00:33:56,670 --> 00:34:00,620
suppose with the children, but
they don't get a lot of cross

814
00:34:00,630 --> 00:34:02,920
curricular stuff because it's
not on my radar and I don't

815
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:04,690
think about it.
I don't, I don't think, well,

816
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:06,260
actually I'm just, well, that's.
Interesting.

817
00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:08,120
Yeah, yeah, I could put it as
the date.

818
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:10,280
I'm like, there's none of that
really.

819
00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:12,670
So yeah, I mean, what's your
opinion?

820
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,360
On those two scenarios, they're
very different.

821
00:34:14,370 --> 00:34:17,139
One where you have a specialist
teacher doing it and but but the

822
00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:18,659
classroom teacher doesn't do it
ever.

823
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:21,120
And one way the classroom
teacher is doing it, but it's

824
00:34:21,130 --> 00:34:23,860
very scaffolded with just a
piece of software basically

825
00:34:23,870 --> 00:34:25,840
where you just get through it,
says the word out loud, shows

826
00:34:25,850 --> 00:34:28,139
how to spell it.
It really, it was very

827
00:34:28,150 --> 00:34:29,870
prescriptive.
Anyone could have thought anyone

828
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,560
could have bought.
I'm not necessarily even saying

829
00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:33,380
that's a bad thing, but I am
interested in what you think

830
00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:36,210
about that so.
I think that kind of software is

831
00:34:36,219 --> 00:34:38,350
absolutely essential in that
kind of situation.

832
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,010
And I know some really really
good companies that are creating

833
00:34:42,020 --> 00:34:45,310
stuff for primary school
teachers to teach languages and

834
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,030
I just you know and I think not
every school can or wants to get

835
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,219
a specialist in.
So in that kind of situation I

836
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:53,530
think that's absolutely amazing.
So I'm not gonna definitely

837
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:58,950
wouldn't knock them in any way.
But what's really interesting is

838
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,240
until you were just describing
that I would have always just

839
00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:03,690
said no, you need to get a
specialist in there are so many

840
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:05,990
advantages that I can't see any
disadvantages.

841
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,990
But then you're saying it you
then don't embed it across

842
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:13,270
anything else at all.
So then the kids only have like

843
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,090
that half an hour or an hour a
week, which I mean I mentioned I

844
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,850
did a masters and some part of
that I was doing was about like

845
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:25,070
ages of language acquisition.
And I think people have this

846
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,370
idea of just like Ohh, kids just
learn languages really, really

847
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:29,500
quickly.
Actually, it's if they're

848
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:31,980
immersed in a language.
If you move to a foreign country

849
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:34,420
with a child, the child will
pick up the language really,

850
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:37,240
really, really quickly and the
adults don't pick it up as

851
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:42,100
quickly.
But if you're only teaching, you

852
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:44,990
know, if you've got like
structured teaching, half an

853
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,090
hour a week or an hour a week,
kids don't actually retain it

854
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,450
that much or meets a week.
So it is really, really helpful

855
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,740
and I've actually done some
training on this and so I would

856
00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:59,150
primary schools on how just how
to embed it in your everyday

857
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,460
teaching.
So just things like doing the

858
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:05,230
date, sure, doing the like when
you're doing the register.

859
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:09,070
So find out from the Spanish
teacher what they've covered.

860
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,580
So have they done colours for
example And as you're doing the

861
00:36:11,590 --> 00:36:13,410
register you can just say it
right?

862
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:15,810
Tell me your favourite colour in
Spanish and they can literally

863
00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:18,330
just say one word in Spanish and
they're just you know, and they

864
00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:20,770
might all end up saying the same
one cause they can't remember

865
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:22,570
they just copy what the first
person, but at least.

866
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:23,830
I thinking about it, but at
least.

867
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,190
It's a, you know, it's one word
that they're that they're saying

868
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,020
or what's your favourite animal
or yeah, you know there's little

869
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:32,330
little things like that that you
can be doing.

870
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,250
But I think the best thing that
that you could have would be a

871
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:39,130
bit of language training from
the person who comes in.

872
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,930
And again that's, I mean it's
time, you know, isn't it?

873
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:44,540
And you'd probably have to pay
them extra to do that.

874
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:47,730
And you know there there are all
sorts of barriers and obstacles

875
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:51,760
and I and I do understand that,
but I think if you can try to

876
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:54,240
remember it and you know, even
just once a week, right, right.

877
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:58,250
You know Monday's Spanish
register day and you get them to

878
00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:00,170
tell you, tell you their
favourite colour or their

879
00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,600
favourite animal or yeah,
something like that one you

880
00:37:02,610 --> 00:37:05,570
legislate.
Yeah, it's easy.

881
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,210
It's easy when that's your
specialism and that's what

882
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:10,160
you're thinking about.
But when you've got a million

883
00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:13,080
other things and you need to ask
them about, I don't know whether

884
00:37:13,090 --> 00:37:16,570
having school dinners or not or
whatever, the other random

885
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:18,670
things that you have to ask
during the regime had to say

886
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,990
that in.
Spanish I've already.

887
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,490
Got a list of other things I'm
beginning.

888
00:37:21,580 --> 00:37:24,810
To do right.
OK, before I really, I'm really

889
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:26,900
eager to talk about you leaving
teaching and what you did, but

890
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:29,260
I've got 1/1 actually, I just
want to finish off with because

891
00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:31,510
it's something that's cropped up
during this chat, something I

892
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,000
thought about before I I'm
really interested in.

893
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:36,110
You mentioned how you don't
think it's necessarily very

894
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,070
important exactly what language
they're doing when they're

895
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,860
younger, when you know just the
idea of passion and this idea.

896
00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:44,160
So this is a 2 prong question I
guess.

897
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:46,790
Is there a point where you think
it becomes important what

898
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,920
they're learning?
Like in their journey through

899
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:51,100
secondary school for example, is
there a point where you should

900
00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:52,600
go?
Actually now it does matter.

901
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:55,940
They, they should be learning
this language because of XYZ or

902
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:58,500
they should avoid this one, like
you said, Germans being phased

903
00:37:58,510 --> 00:38:00,880
out whatever reason.
And do you think that there's

904
00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:03,380
enough room in our curriculum
and our specialisms and our

905
00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:06,120
trainings to to broaden what
children learn?

906
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:09,470
Like, for example, I think about
our current culture and I think

907
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,400
about Polish and I think about
Arabic.

908
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:14,900
And and those those really,
really in, in particular parts

909
00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:18,040
of the country would be
incredibly useful probably for

910
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:21,060
that community to learn.
And you know, is it still useful

911
00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:22,150
for them just to be doing
French?

912
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Because we've always done French
and you might go on holiday at

913
00:38:24,130 --> 00:38:26,100
some point.
So I guess to summarise, when

914
00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:27,620
does it become important what
they learned?

915
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:30,460
And you know what is important
to learn at that point?

916
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:34,120
So I yeah, no, there's such good
questions.

917
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:38,180
And actually my gut reaction is
no, it doesn't matter which

918
00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:41,500
language you learn.
Umm, I really think the, the

919
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:44,940
most important thing I think is
because we speak English.

920
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:48,480
Like obviously if you live in
another country everybody learns

921
00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:51,460
English and it's it's almost a
given.

922
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:55,420
And I actually kind of hate it
when people compare English

923
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:58,530
people learning foreign
languages to like ohh, well,

924
00:38:58,540 --> 00:38:59,810
everyone in Holland speaks
English.

925
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:01,970
Well, yes, of course they do,
because they've been looking

926
00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:05,150
like they're complete.
They're surrounded by it all the

927
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,480
time.
And and it it you can't count.

928
00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:10,960
It's like how many people in
Holland also speak German or

929
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:13,520
also speak Spanish, you know, as
you, you kind of have to compare

930
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:15,220
it to that.
So that's me or my little

931
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:16,780
soapbox about that.
That's good.

932
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,130
Yeah, I always thought that.
This Hollywood, right.

933
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:22,570
And songs and like yeah, yeah,
yeah, this huge, huge, huge

934
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:24,370
media things that get up out
there.

935
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,030
Of course the the Dutch people
will be exposed to that.

936
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,990
The most famous people in the
world speak English.

937
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,180
Like it's it's different.
I completely agree.

938
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:33,150
Yeah, it's a completely.
Different thing and they know

939
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,420
that they absolutely essentially
have to have it for any job that

940
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:38,820
they're gonna do in the future.
You know, I mean it's just it's

941
00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:41,370
an absolute given.
So it's a completely different

942
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:43,190
situation.
I think in some ways you know

943
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,780
it's kind of good in Britain
because we there isn't one

944
00:39:45,790 --> 00:39:48,850
language that you're like well
you really need to learn this to

945
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:52,100
get by in life.
So it is more of a like, ohh,

946
00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:54,100
it's a nice, you know, it's kind
of nice thing to do.

947
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:58,650
And yes, there are all sorts of
statistics and research about

948
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,170
actually it would be really
useful if British people could

949
00:40:01,180 --> 00:40:03,430
speak more languages and it'd be
really good for the economy and

950
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,530
really good for trade and all
that kind of stuff.

951
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:08,950
But I don't think there is one
particular language that we

952
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,290
should be focusing on more.
I think the reason why we all

953
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:13,930
teach French is because we all
learn French.

954
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:18,200
It's almost this like circle of
like we learn French, yeah.

955
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,080
So I speak.
French because I learned French

956
00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:22,530
at school and my teachers taught
French because they learned

957
00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:25,090
French at school.
And then, you know, and you and

958
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,750
you just kind of, yeah.
So it's.

959
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,940
Definitely.
Circular.

960
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:29,460
Yeah.
It really, really is.

961
00:40:29,770 --> 00:40:33,440
So, yeah.
And to to broaden it out, I

962
00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:36,810
think you're right.
I think in you know if you've

963
00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:39,990
got communities where there are
a high percentage of Polish

964
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,710
people for example, then yeah
why are we not teaching children

965
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,730
some Polish in schools.
But again it goes back to who

966
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:50,710
can you know who can teach
Polish because I learnt French

967
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:51,810
at school.
I didn't like where the

968
00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:53,170
resources.
You know there's a billion

969
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:55,470
resources for French, but are
there as many for Polish?

970
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,700
I don't even know.
We're gonna.

971
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:58,750
We're gonna talk about resource
in a second if we move on.

972
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,380
Nice little segue there, I
suppose.

973
00:41:00,390 --> 00:41:03,060
And yeah, to talking about you,
you leaving, Teaching Kate.

974
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:06,250
So hey, I know Hayden is really
passionate about this and he, he

975
00:41:06,260 --> 00:41:08,540
talks a lot of people and I know
Kate, you're really passionate

976
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:10,440
about helping people with this
idea of leaving teaching.

977
00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:12,390
So I'm gonna throw over to hate,
very passionate about Kate

978
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,250
leaving team.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all.

979
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:18,520
That amazing stuff you just
talked about and you left

980
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:19,380
teaching?
I was.

981
00:41:19,770 --> 00:41:21,040
Yeah, we talked about it a lot
on this programme.

982
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:23,320
You know, we try to do the ups
and downs of teaching as yeah,

983
00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:26,100
we know from listening.
But you mentioned that you left

984
00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:29,180
in, Was it 20177017?
Yeah, I.

985
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:30,730
Guess just you know for any
listeners.

986
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:32,820
Don't know why.
Why did you leave teaching?

987
00:41:32,830 --> 00:41:34,410
What made you do it?
OK.

988
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:38,360
So that is, is, is a really good
question because in some ways it

989
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:41,350
almost wasn't a disc.
Like it wasn't a conscious

990
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,080
decision that I made, if that
makes sense.

991
00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:48,720
So I six months before I set up
Kate languages, I was signed off

992
00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:50,220
sick.
So I was, I was actually signed

993
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:53,900
off with stress for six months
and at some point in those six

994
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,780
months I I was, I just made the
decision I was like I'm not

995
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:58,190
going back.
I literally can't go back.

996
00:41:58,230 --> 00:42:01,160
I mean, I wouldn't recommend
this to anybody to get to the

997
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:06,820
point where I I mean, you know,
people might not want to to hear

998
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,410
hear about it in too much
detail, but I was having panic

999
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:12,710
attacks.
I was suffering from anxiety.

1000
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,550
I literally could not get in my
car to drive to work.

1001
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,690
So the doctor signed me off sick
with stress.

1002
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,950
And I yeah, I just kept getting
signed off and signed off and

1003
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,570
signed off.
And every time I kept thinking

1004
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:28,310
about it And we were, you know,
I remember talking to my husband

1005
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:32,770
and we were like, oh, maybe I
could do a phased return.

1006
00:42:33,070 --> 00:42:37,190
I remember quite, quite clearly
we were walking somewhere and I

1007
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,360
just stopped and I just couldn't
breathe.

1008
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:41,310
And I was like, no, I don't
think that's gonna work, is it?

1009
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,030
Cause I've just had a bit of a
panic attack again.

1010
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:45,830
So no, it just and it.
Yeah.

1011
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,990
And I I think one of the reasons
I am so passionate about working

1012
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,750
with teachers and I just feel
like I've dedicated everything I

1013
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,430
do now to sort of trying to make
teachers lives a bit easier is

1014
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,730
because I just don't want people
to get to that stage that I got

1015
00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:03,730
to to recognise it before it
gets to that point.

1016
00:43:05,110 --> 00:43:08,260
And I always say, and I want to
say this again, it was nothing

1017
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:10,550
to do with the kids, it really
wasn't.

1018
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,880
And I felt so good.
I mean I had a year 11 tutor

1019
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:17,240
group.
I felt so awful leaving them.

1020
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,670
Yeah.
And but I like I say I I

1021
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,160
physically couldn't go into
school so but it's kind of

1022
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:28,350
annoying because I like I left
stuff at school and I've got

1023
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,770
these books that I've taken in
that I still think about now and

1024
00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:34,090
then and then like yeah, yeah.
And also cause so my mum was a

1025
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:36,150
languages teacher as well.
I mean I just literally just

1026
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,210
copied my mother.
And actually one of the the one

1027
00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:41,810
I think about is this really old
like German book.

1028
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:44,850
It's really good and it was hers
and I'm just like I feel a bit

1029
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:48,170
bad I've left it at that school.
But anyway I've never been back.

1030
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:51,340
I've like, I literally never
ever went back to that will ever

1031
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:53,640
again, I think.
It's good for you for people to

1032
00:43:53,650 --> 00:43:55,920
hear this and I know you said
ohh, I'm not sure how much I'll

1033
00:43:55,930 --> 00:43:57,390
talk about this.
I think it's good that you've

1034
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,640
done this now and I thank you
for sharing your personal life

1035
00:43:59,650 --> 00:44:02,040
because it might be quite hard
to talk about because it was a

1036
00:44:02,050 --> 00:44:04,300
tough time.
But a lot of our listeners are

1037
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:07,210
going through that right now,
you know, and more people feel

1038
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:08,120
like they will.
Soon, yeah.

1039
00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:09,280
Working.
Their way up to that because

1040
00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:12,440
they get stress and stress and
stress and it it teaching is is

1041
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:16,000
just one of the biggest traps I
think in terms of careers if you

1042
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:19,550
really do whether it's I don't
know on purpose or not but you

1043
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,270
are so mate to bad about feeling
that way and teaching us no.

1044
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,820
I said OK you didn't come into
this for for anything other than

1045
00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:30,630
selfless reasons did you.
You must get over that.

1046
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,450
You know the kids need you gotta
do the children and people get

1047
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:37,350
themselves in such a rut And so
it's nice speaking to you seven

1048
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,200
years on seeing you know living
your best life.

1049
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,340
You're doing the thing you're
passionate about and actually

1050
00:44:41,350 --> 00:44:43,130
you did get over that hurdle.
I think people just need to see

1051
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:44,030
that sometimes.
Yeah.

1052
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,590
Absolutely.
Yeah.

1053
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,830
And I always say my biggest
piece of advice to people is

1054
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,050
always everything takes longer
than you think it will.

1055
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:54,810
And if I could go back and tell
myself that when I was younger

1056
00:44:54,820 --> 00:44:58,610
and just like super impatient,
but like I say, I think, you

1057
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:59,970
know, people see me seven years
on.

1058
00:44:59,980 --> 00:45:01,890
I think ohh, yeah, she's got
this business and she's doing

1059
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:03,470
really well.
She's doing this on the other,

1060
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,860
but it was a lot of hard work
you know for like.

1061
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:12,190
So the the work that I did
obviously, you know, building up

1062
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,080
the business, but also the work
I've done on myself and you

1063
00:45:16,090 --> 00:45:17,760
know, I mean I've had
counselling and all, you know

1064
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:23,400
all sorts like yeah, yeah.
And other stuff that yeah, it

1065
00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:27,300
it's it takes a long time and I
think it does take, yeah, it

1066
00:45:27,310 --> 00:45:31,840
takes time and patience and just
being gentle with yourself.

1067
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:33,060
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1068
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,020
How quickly after that sort of
moment happened where you were

1069
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:40,690
like, I I just can't go back.
How long did it take to go from

1070
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:44,930
that place to back to a steady
place I guess where you were

1071
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:47,390
happy maybe even.
I guess the question could be

1072
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,460
how long did it take you to go
from there to being Kate

1073
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:51,110
Languages and setting up your
business.

1074
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Was that quite a long journey or
was it very much a no, I'm out

1075
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:56,680
of this now.
I'm I'm cracking on with

1076
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:58,670
something else.
Or did you just need time?

1077
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,590
So I'm trying to remember now I
so like I say I I kind of had

1078
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,770
like a rolling sick note for a
while.

1079
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:09,500
It was it was November, so I
think that kind of took me up to

1080
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:11,520
Christmas.
And then I think it was after

1081
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:16,110
Christmas, I and I was like, I'm
not coming back in the, you know

1082
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,570
the what's it called the winter,
winter, winter term now what's

1083
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:21,780
called spring term.
We don't have winter time, do

1084
00:46:21,790 --> 00:46:25,800
we?
Autumn then spring, isn't it?

1085
00:46:25,810 --> 00:46:27,380
What happens to the winter,
anyway, Sorry.

1086
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:30,850
Right.
So I yeah.

1087
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:35,120
And I I can't remember if I made
the decision before Christmas to

1088
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:38,810
say I'm done like I'm not and
and I knew that I wasn't going

1089
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:43,850
to come back in the springtime.
Why do I keep forgetting what

1090
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:49,740
it's called in January?
And, yeah, do you know, I can't

1091
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:52,240
remember.
All I remember is I, yeah, I I

1092
00:46:52,330 --> 00:46:54,820
think I had made that decision
quite quickly.

1093
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:56,440
Yeah.
And then it felt like it took

1094
00:46:56,450 --> 00:47:00,070
quite a long time before I was
actually sort of allowed to

1095
00:47:00,170 --> 00:47:06,340
completely stop and I wasn't
allowed to set up my business.

1096
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:11,240
So actually what then happened
over those few months was that I

1097
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:16,810
was kind of behind the scenes,
kind of secretly probably don't

1098
00:47:16,820 --> 00:47:19,150
even talk about it now.
Yeah, it's fine.

1099
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,470
I mean, you know, they're
listening.

1100
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,380
They want to know they are.
They're listening.

1101
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:25,090
They've got your German.
Book and they're watching right

1102
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,630
away.
I'm.

1103
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,000
Gonna burn it.
That I yes I I was I was

1104
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:33,410
thinking about what I wanted to
do and like I say I was having

1105
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:35,720
counselling.
I remembered like yapping at my

1106
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:37,620
poor councillor was like, I
don't know what you on about,

1107
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:43,080
mate but they're good.
But yeah, and just deciding like

1108
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:46,250
I wanted to do some tuition and
I set up my Instagram and my

1109
00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:49,490
Facebook page.
My I'm really lucky as well.

1110
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:54,420
My step mum kind of does
websites for small businesses

1111
00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:56,920
and things like that, so she
helped me with my website and

1112
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:58,160
that's how we came up with Kate
Languages.

1113
00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:00,890
We were literally just like
putting in various different

1114
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,900
names and it kept and Kate
languages came up and it was and

1115
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:05,690
I was like, ohh that could work
out right well.

1116
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:07,460
Yeah.
So you didn't marry Mr Languages

1117
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:08,390
that.
No, I didn't.

1118
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,170
I didn't become missus languages
no ohh.

1119
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:13,630
Should be our next guest.
That's a change, yeah.

1120
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,570
No, although my husband did
study languages, which is a bit

1121
00:48:16,580 --> 00:48:18,070
weird, but yeah, he basically
you.

1122
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,710
Been married the OG Mr language
just OG with.

1123
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,500
Languages.
So, yeah.

1124
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:28,020
But anyway, I think I I kind of
knew that's what I wanted to do.

1125
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:31,410
And I knew that there was the
need for tuition because when I

1126
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:34,720
did my Masters, I I did a bit of
private tuition just to, you

1127
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:37,940
know, make a bit of cash while I
was doing my Masters degree.

1128
00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:44,060
So I knew that the need was out
there and I I kind of hate

1129
00:48:44,070 --> 00:48:45,870
saying this, but I was in a
really, really fortunate

1130
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,100
position that my husband's
salary could cover us.

1131
00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:52,800
Sure.
So I know that that is a

1132
00:48:52,810 --> 00:48:57,570
massively privileged position
and I didn't feel he I I I

1133
00:48:57,580 --> 00:49:00,320
didn't have that pressure.
Like I have to earn money like I

1134
00:49:00,330 --> 00:49:02,110
wanted to earn money.
Obviously it's nice to have

1135
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,540
money and but I didn't have one
people.

1136
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:07,580
Locked in.
Yeah, Like, literally.

1137
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:10,300
They all lose their house and
they carry on or find something

1138
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:13,180
else immediately, I suppose.
Yeah, yeah, definitely

1139
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:15,080
privilege.
I I guess I wanna.

1140
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:17,960
OK, so on that point then I
think a lot of people will be

1141
00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:20,860
listening to this and thinking,
I want to leave, I want to leave

1142
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:22,260
teaching.
I know you're a secondary

1143
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:23,600
teacher.
We do get a lot of secondary

1144
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:25,920
listeners, mostly primary, but
it's the same kind of boat.

1145
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:28,920
I want to leave this profession
I have this specialism.

1146
00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:31,860
You managed to leverage your
specialism and and end up being

1147
00:49:31,870 --> 00:49:34,810
being a whole business that you,
that you've grown as someone

1148
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:37,170
who's well down the road now
left teaching.

1149
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,260
It ended up working out for you.
Talked about how it took longer

1150
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:41,790
maybe than you thought it might
do, but it's worked out for you.

1151
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,500
What would you say to someone
who is in that position right

1152
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:47,660
now where they want to leave
teaching.

1153
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,580
They like teaching.
They enjoy working with the

1154
00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:52,650
kids, but they want to save
their mental health.

1155
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,530
What would your best bit of
advice be to them?

1156
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:56,790
Would it be to, you know, think
of an idea first?

1157
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,590
Would it be to take the plunge?
Would it be to kind of spread

1158
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,350
yourself out a little bit and
see what works?

1159
00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:03,090
I I mean, I don't know.
I I know.

1160
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:03,790
I think.
But what?

1161
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,870
What do you think of someone
who's actually lived it and left

1162
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:07,400
fully?
You've literally walked out the

1163
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:11,210
door.
I would actually probably not

1164
00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:15,010
advise people to do it exactly
how I did it if I was, you know,

1165
00:50:15,020 --> 00:50:17,470
if I was taking a more measured
approach.

1166
00:50:17,540 --> 00:50:19,710
Although I don't know, saying
that sometimes just making that

1167
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:22,850
leap and just going OK, I've
just literally burn every single

1168
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:24,050
bridge.
I can't go back.

1169
00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:27,270
I don't want to go back and it
sort of forces you to do stuff.

1170
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,210
And I'm very much of the opinion
of just like I just kind of like

1171
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:33,210
have an idea and then I just
crack on with it and if it

1172
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:34,810
works, it works, and if it
doesn't, it doesn't.

1173
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,090
Yeah.
And luckily for me, I don't

1174
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:41,060
know, it just, it seems to work
quite well, I would say.

1175
00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:45,370
And actually I'm, I'm in a, a a
group for female entrepreneurs

1176
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:49,160
and there's a lot of teachers in
that group, Yeah, who are kind

1177
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:50,790
of like doing similar to what
you're doing.

1178
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,540
They've gone part time, they're
setting up a business on the

1179
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:56,170
side and they're graduate, you
know, they're they're trying to

1180
00:50:56,180 --> 00:50:59,640
shift the balance between
reducing their teaching hours

1181
00:50:59,650 --> 00:51:02,240
and increasing what they're
doing with their business.

1182
00:51:02,290 --> 00:51:05,700
So I would say probably in
hindsight, that's a much better

1183
00:51:05,710 --> 00:51:10,590
way of doing it if you don't
have that safety net and if you,

1184
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,190
you know, if you literally can't
afford to just be like, I'm

1185
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,270
probably not gonna earn any
money for a few months, is that

1186
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,250
OK?
The sad.

1187
00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:21,250
Thing is, to me is just that.
I mean firstly, the fact that

1188
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:23,530
we're in this state and we talk
about it all the time on this

1189
00:51:23,540 --> 00:51:25,330
podcast.
We're just so annoyed at the

1190
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,220
situation but like you know,
you, you've, you've got, we've

1191
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:31,210
got, we've got, we've got kids
now, which is quite weird to say

1192
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:32,230
it.
Still feels weird because.

1193
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,310
I was so young, but we're all
three of us, you know, we have

1194
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,640
children and we were speaking
just for the podcast and we

1195
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:39,630
didn't talk too much about it.
We wanted to save it for this.

1196
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,430
But you started saying about how
you do want your kid to have

1197
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,630
good teachers, though.
And it and.

1198
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,330
It kind of make, you know, even
just thinking about UK, it is

1199
00:51:49,340 --> 00:51:51,950
kind of sad really that the
system failed you because you're

1200
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,240
clearly an extremely passionate
languages teacher.

1201
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:57,130
Yeah, and I want people like you
to be teaching my kids at

1202
00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:59,210
school, so.
I know.

1203
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,930
What do we do?
There's such a big question I

1204
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:02,870
know we can't answer on this
podcast, but you know, do you

1205
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,170
have any thoughts about this or
rants or whatever?

1206
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:10,010
I think that's one of the
reasons I do a lot of the work

1207
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:12,330
that I do.
So I I write resources as well

1208
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:15,210
and I teach which is to
languages teachers to help them

1209
00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:19,150
improve their confidence.
And I feel like a lot of the

1210
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,230
work I'm doing is trying to help
teachers to not get as stressed

1211
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,020
and to reduce their workload for
them by saying look, there's

1212
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:28,250
some really good quality
resources that you can literally

1213
00:52:28,260 --> 00:52:31,670
just take and you can just use
them and you don't have to

1214
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,850
reinvent the wheel constantly,
you don't have to be constantly

1215
00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:35,600
writing your own worksheets and
things like that.

1216
00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:39,630
So just little things like that
is what I'm trying to do to help

1217
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,900
reduce teachers stress and
workload.

1218
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:45,240
But I'm fully aware that that is
a a drop in the ocean and and it

1219
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:47,640
is a massive problem.
I think it's it's genuinely an

1220
00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:50,210
entirely systemic issue.
Yeah.

1221
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:53,510
And it's sad.
I think it's really sad for

1222
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,750
people who are fantastic
teachers who just feel

1223
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,140
absolutely exhausted and they
just can't do it and.

1224
00:53:01,130 --> 00:53:03,300
But.
Equally like, you know, if

1225
00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:06,900
you're not that keen on it, like
there's a lot, there are loads

1226
00:53:06,910 --> 00:53:08,110
of other really good things you
can do.

1227
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,620
And I think what you find as
well, once you move away from

1228
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:12,550
it, that there are loads and
loads of things you can do in

1229
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,800
the world of education that
don't involve standing in the

1230
00:53:14,810 --> 00:53:18,720
classroom in front of kids.
Umm, for me, I've gotta say,

1231
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:20,510
like I am really, really
passionate about languages and

1232
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,080
language teaching.
But and this might surprise

1233
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:26,760
people who if you like to see my
social media and I have my own

1234
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:28,960
podcast and stuff, like I'm
actually really introverted.

1235
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:32,280
So I used to find that being
surrounded by people all the

1236
00:53:32,290 --> 00:53:35,230
time is really, really tiring
and it would absolutely drain

1237
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,190
me.
So for me, working on my own,

1238
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,490
you know, being able to chat to
people on podcasts or you know,

1239
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:45,170
I I teach online.
I go into schools and do you

1240
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:47,990
know sort of one off half day
training that's about enough.

1241
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,230
And and having enough kind of
connection with people but not

1242
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:54,450
being surrounded by loads of
people all the time actually

1243
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:56,870
suits me really, really well.
But then I know for a lot of

1244
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,470
people they love being
surrounded by people and the

1245
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,330
kids.
Actually I did a thing on my

1246
00:54:01,340 --> 00:54:04,130
Instagram recently that you guys
did well.

1247
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:05,170
Hayden.
No.

1248
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:06,470
Dylan.
Yeah.

1249
00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:08,910
Dylan.
Dylan it's.

1250
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,630
Me but Dylan.
Answered about what's the best

1251
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,040
thing about teaching and you
know, every single person said

1252
00:54:15,050 --> 00:54:18,750
the kids Basically a variation
on Do you miss that case?

1253
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:19,810
About the.
Kids.

1254
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,380
Yeah.
Sometimes.

1255
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:23,900
Sometimes I do.
Yeah.

1256
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:27,690
And I I always still defend
teenagers when people remember

1257
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:31,030
about teenagers and I'm like you
don't know like honestly most

1258
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,500
teenagers are just the best
people and they are so funny and

1259
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:39,050
they're and they're clever.
Like they are super super clever

1260
00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:42,090
and not in a like ohh yeah the
you know doing well in exams

1261
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:46,090
kind of away and that they're
they're brains are just amazing

1262
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,490
and yeah I do I do miss that I
suppose in secondary.

1263
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:52,490
You get a different world of
like, kids and banter and things

1264
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:53,910
like, well, that's been.
That keeps us going.

1265
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,050
So I'm interested to hear from a
secondary teacher.

1266
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:59,140
It is it just the same.
Are there secondary teachers out

1267
00:54:59,150 --> 00:55:01,660
there who are just staying
because they love teaching the

1268
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:03,060
kids?
And unlike sounds from what

1269
00:55:03,070 --> 00:55:05,510
you've said, that is the driving
force for so many people.

1270
00:55:05,580 --> 00:55:07,360
I think it is I.
Think when you teach primary and

1271
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:09,700
you know I've got a four year
old, so I now look, teenagers

1272
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:12,810
seem really big to me and old
and in fact we'll look at that

1273
00:55:12,820 --> 00:55:14,850
at the year sixes.
So he's at preschool.

1274
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:17,780
It's it's attached to a primary
school and I see the year sixes

1275
00:55:17,790 --> 00:55:21,760
and I'm like you're enormous.
And I think you see it from the

1276
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:23,580
primary perspective.
You look at teenage and you're

1277
00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:26,100
like Oh my God.
But they they're kids.

1278
00:55:26,110 --> 00:55:28,360
They're still kids.
They're still really little.

1279
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:31,360
A 14 year old boy might be 6
foot tall but he's still a

1280
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:32,570
child.
Yeah.

1281
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:35,680
You know so yeah.
No they're they're silly and

1282
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:40,010
funny and no they're great fun.
And I do yeah, I I try not to

1283
00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:41,280
think about it too much
actually.

1284
00:55:41,290 --> 00:55:43,140
But ohh sorry.
No, no.

1285
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:44,740
It's just how much do.
You miss it, Kate.

1286
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:45,880
How much?
That's great.

1287
00:55:47,410 --> 00:55:49,170
Ohh.
Dear Dylan Provoking everything.

1288
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:52,590
OK, that's why I've stayed
working with teachers and I

1289
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,170
can't, You know, I kind of still
hear it and I and I love hearing

1290
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:56,950
the funny stories about kids.
You're still in the.

1291
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,470
Game not sidelines and different
way.

1292
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,770
Your social media, obviously you
have a lot of, you know, a lot

1293
00:56:00,780 --> 00:56:03,090
of people I suppose get in touch
with you and stuff and and

1294
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:04,910
wanted to chat about, although.
Quite not.

1295
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,890
There are quite a lot who are
like ohh I wanna leave teaching

1296
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,000
or hey, guess what Kate?
I've handed in my resignation.

1297
00:56:12,010 --> 00:56:15,580
Ohh great.
Where can we find you?

1298
00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:17,690
Because I want to make sure we
plug your socials before we go.

1299
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:19,360
Where can we find you?
And where can we listen to your

1300
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:20,590
podcast?
At your spot?

1301
00:56:22,110 --> 00:56:24,290
So.
That's why.

1302
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:27,970
But I'm sorry we got to scrap
this whole thing because we

1303
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:29,630
before we learn any modern
foreign languages.

1304
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,880
I think Hayden needs to learn
his own language, but it's

1305
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:33,560
foreign to me.
It's.

1306
00:56:33,570 --> 00:56:36,040
Hilarious ohh.
Yeah, my.

1307
00:56:36,050 --> 00:56:38,780
Spot cast is OK I read is the
Kate language.

1308
00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:44,670
Is podcast actually like crying?
Ohh Spotify ohh yeah the

1309
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:45,400
language.
Podcast.

1310
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:47,200
Is that what you just said?
The Kate languages.

1311
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:48,930
Podcast.
Yeah, amazing.

1312
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:51,440
And I am.
I mean, it's, I'm quite

1313
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:54,340
consistent.
My websites katelanguages.co.uk

1314
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:59,140
at Kate Languages on Instagram.
I have a Facebook page as well.

1315
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:01,570
Apparently I'm on LinkedIn but I
don't use it very much, so we'll

1316
00:57:01,580 --> 00:57:04,090
ignore that.
But no, I may I mainly on

1317
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:06,590
Instagram.
To be fair, that's my my social

1318
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,970
media of choice.
Definitely.

1319
00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:10,610
Well, I was gonna.
Very quickly before we I guess

1320
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:13,170
round it off, I was gonna
mention Instagram because I

1321
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:16,240
think as a business owner and I
think as someone who maybe we

1322
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:18,970
talking about leaving teaching
and Hayden and I run our own

1323
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:20,770
tutoring business.
Again our listeners will know

1324
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:23,270
you run your own business which
is very much education based.

1325
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:26,690
Social media we found to be
incredibly powerful and very,

1326
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:30,550
very powerful tool because what
we can do as as a tuition

1327
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,980
company is we can upload lessons
if we want to for free onto like

1328
00:57:34,990 --> 00:57:37,130
YouTube or something.
We could show snippets on

1329
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:39,290
Instagram.
We find a lot of our traffic

1330
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:41,070
comes from social media these
days.

1331
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,830
And I suppose my question to you
is someone thinking about

1332
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,830
leaving teaching coming from the
teaching role it can be very

1333
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,350
much embedded and we spoke about
this in a recent podcast how

1334
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,230
teachers are kind of told ohh
whoa whoa stay off social media.

1335
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,680
You don't have anywhere near
barge pole because it can you

1336
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:58,510
know you don't get yourself in
any trouble.

1337
00:57:58,580 --> 00:57:59,910
They just don't do anything like
that.

1338
00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:03,480
However in the modern age I feel
like a lot of teachers make a

1339
00:58:03,550 --> 00:58:05,280
make money from using social
media.

1340
00:58:05,290 --> 00:58:07,370
Like we're we're in the
classroom and we have social

1341
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:09,720
media for our business.
You've stepped out and you have

1342
00:58:09,730 --> 00:58:11,320
social media.
It's incredibly important.

1343
00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:13,920
What what would you say to
someone thinking of how can I

1344
00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:16,140
start over side hustle.
Well I'm a bit worried about

1345
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using social media.
What would your benefits, what

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00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,080
would the benefits of that being
in your opinion I?

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00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:23,570
Literally would not be able to
run my business without social

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00:58:23,580 --> 00:58:26,300
media because people, how do
people hear about you?

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00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:29,340
How do people find out about you
if not on social media these

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00:58:29,350 --> 00:58:30,760
days?
You know, I'm not gonna, like,

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00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:33,070
print off.
I don't know, there's like 1500

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,140
secondary schools in the
country.

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00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:36,980
I'm not gonna print off 1500
letters and you know, post them

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00:58:36,990 --> 00:58:39,430
all out to secondary schools.
Yeah, like people might have

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,940
done 20 years ago, but no, it.
And sometimes it feels a bit

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00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:45,660
like a necessary evil.
I've tried to really embrace it

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00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:48,080
and really enjoy it.
So I like doing like silly remix

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00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:51,080
reels and trying, you know, do
funny things like that as well.

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00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:56,100
So But yeah, I think it's very
easy to overthink it with social

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00:58:56,110 --> 00:58:59,900
media as well and to worry and
just oh, oh, I don't wanna show

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00:58:59,910 --> 00:59:02,040
my face and things like that.
And I was like that for a while

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00:59:02,050 --> 00:59:04,560
and I was like, ohh, whatever,
this, this is my face.

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00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:06,440
Like, I can't pretend my face
looks any different.

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00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:09,310
This is just me.
But I used to think that I've

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00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,740
gotta put loads of makeup on and
I've got like do my hair and I

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00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:15,080
was like, but that's not me, you
know, You ever meet me in real

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00:59:15,090 --> 00:59:17,160
life, like, yeah, I know.
And even Dylan.

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00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:19,530
'S journey recently, like with
social media, I know you've

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00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:21,900
become, and you said it out
loud, a lot more relaxed at the

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00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:23,270
start.
We were like, everything has to

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00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,370
be this like crazy production
value and especially 19 takes to

1372
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:29,120
make sure that if we said umm or
uh in it, we have to cut out,

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00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:31,630
redo the whole thing and you've
realised recently, haven't you

1374
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,560
just been like for God's sake,
no one cares anymore?

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00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,100
I.
Made a crappy meme of a dog

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00:59:35,110 --> 00:59:38,480
laughing and the text was just
when someone says teachings easy

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00:59:38,490 --> 00:59:41,560
or something, it got like one
and a half million views.

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00:59:41,650 --> 00:59:43,060
You know?
I think about another thing I

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00:59:43,070 --> 00:59:45,100
make which is like really
interesting, like laid out

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00:59:45,110 --> 00:59:47,700
lesson on how to teach fractions
to get 4 views and I'm just like

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00:59:47,710 --> 00:59:48,890
cool.
I'm just gonna do random stuff

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00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:51,680
there you just see.
Random remix reels with like

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00:59:51,690 --> 00:59:54,320
silly yeah, silly dogs and
whatever.

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00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,590
There's no rhyme or.
Reason for any?

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,110
Like for how many people see
these things as well?

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01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,720
Ohh, not just.
And that's what I've kind of

1387
01:00:01,730 --> 01:00:03,700
what I tell myself from.
Like I was gonna say it anyway,

1388
01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:06,420
so I just put stuff out there
and but then if one person.

1389
01:00:06,430 --> 01:00:09,090
Sees your business and it's like
ohh yeah click language, ohh

1390
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:11,570
cool ohh you know they saw a
funny meme but actually they're

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01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:14,150
in a in a secondary school and
they're struggling with they

1392
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,410
wanna move to Spanish.
It's like well actually I'm on

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01:00:16,420 --> 01:00:18,060
your page now and I'm on your on
your website.

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01:00:18,070 --> 01:00:19,930
So I I think it's super
powerful.

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01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:22,370
I know you did the same thing
and Facebook groups as.

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01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:25,880
Well, can be annoying, but also
it can be really, really useful.

1397
01:00:25,950 --> 01:00:28,910
I mean don't go on there and
just like, you know, sell, sell,

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,550
sell.
But one of the things, I think

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01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,730
one of the ways I got my name
known sort of at the beginning

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01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:38,190
was like offering free resources
on face, you know, languages,

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01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,600
teachers, Facebook groups and
then just kind of answering

1402
01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:44,090
people's questions and just
being helpful and not because

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01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:46,490
I'm like, ohh, I'm gonna answer
your question.

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01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,710
And by the way, come and have a
look at my website and give me

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:49,650
money.
I'm just fine.

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01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:51,660
I just want to be helpful.
And yeah.

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01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:54,930
And I think people see that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:57,840
But I think they see it when
you're coming from a a genuine

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01:00:57,850 --> 01:00:59,670
play.
So just I just, I just wanna

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01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,640
help you guys.
So I probably do more free

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01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:05,490
stuff.
I don't know.

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01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:08,170
I mean like with the podcast and
laser free resources and stuff,

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01:01:08,180 --> 01:01:10,000
but but it's useful and good
You.

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01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:11,720
Get your name out there.
Yeah.

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01:01:11,770 --> 01:01:14,290
Brilliant.
So we're gonna wrap up there,

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01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:15,090
OK?
I think we've covered

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01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:17,330
everything.
I've absolutely loved talking

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01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:18,670
to, you know, we need to do it
for ages.

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01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,600
I know.
Yeah, it's been brilliant.

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01:01:20,650 --> 01:01:21,180
It's.
Awesome.

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01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:24,140
But guys, if you're listening to
this, go and check out Kate's

1422
01:01:24,670 --> 01:01:26,640
podcast.
It is really Insight Podcast

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01:01:26,740 --> 01:01:29,120
Spot my podcast.
Yeah, I think it really just

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01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:30,710
about languages.
I think that's The thing is,

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01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:31,970
it's called the languages
podcast.

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01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:34,210
People might think ohh, she's
just like trying to teach us

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01:01:34,220 --> 01:01:36,950
languages, but I do talk quite a
lot about teacher well-being.

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01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,790
And yeah, you did a burnout.
Episode I think.

1429
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,550
How to avoid burnout?
Who wanna hear my whole story?

1430
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,010
We spoke about on here guys go
and check it out.

1431
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:46,200
You know we we've learned a bit
about Kate and how she left

1432
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:48,750
teaching the whole episode on
talking about leaving teaching.

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01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,740
So going, yeah.
Yeah, amazing, but.

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01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:52,790
I just wanna say thank you Kate.
We really appreciate your time.

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01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,450
No, thank you.
So.

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01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:54,990
Much.
You're welcome.

1437
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:55,890
And I don't know what I'm
saying.

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01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,100
You're welcome.
It's hard to wait a little bit.

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01:01:59,630 --> 01:02:01,920
Like OK.
Good.

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01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:02,360
Good.
Night.

1441
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:04,160
Even though we're going to
continue speaking because we're

1442
01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:06,790
just gonna press and record.
But yeah, goodbye.

1443
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:07,840
See you soon.
OK.

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01:02:07,850 --> 01:02:09,070
Bye.
And here's some secret stuff

1445
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:09,840
you're not gonna hit.