Ep 62: Top Tips For New Teachers: 8 Things We Wish We Knew Sooner

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden and we are teachers.
You.

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You couldn't have stopped.
Not roughly.

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There.
We are teachers.

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Am I supposed to come in and
finish?

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Your sentence I was trying to do
something again.

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We're like, we got quite a few
new listeners every week.

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Yeah.
And I want, I kind of wanted to

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do something to start of the
episode where we kind of just

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like don't go straight into some
ridiculous random story and they

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we just hope everyone knows who
we are, OK?

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Let's come on, listen, let's do
a quick summary cause it's been

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what we're in, we're in the 60s.
About 20, no, yeah.

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And I think we do presume
sometimes that people listen to

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us like we introduce.
This.

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Who are you then, Hayden?
Why are you here?

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Why?
It hadn't been teaching for

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about 10 years, nine years, 10
years.

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You forget this point.
You know, I've been in the game

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so long and I'm a music teacher
at the moment.

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I've spent most of my career in
year four and year six, and we

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started this podcast to share
the kind of funny side of

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teaching, but also talk about
some of the more serious things

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that we that we talk about
anyway and vent about.

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And we were like, let's do it on
our podcast so other people can

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listen to us in 2020.
Such an ego, we thought we'd.

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Do that.
Well, it was 2023 and we thought

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everyone else has a podcast, so
why shouldn't we?

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And we it was really funny
because everyone who already had

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a podcast, I was like, yeah, we
should probably join, you know,

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it's the thing to do right now.
And then since then anyone who

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started a podcast like ohh these
people starting podcasts helping

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us much.
Mr P is they're like.

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Yeah, copying you.
They're copying you years.

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Yeah, well.
To be fair to you, come to you.

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OK.
To be fair to you, you you did

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wanna do a podcast.
Probably.

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Yeah.
For maybe three years leading up

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to us actually doing it.
And I was like, Nah.

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It's COVID.
And remembering COVID, I was

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like, people are just sat around
and we should probably, you

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know, put something out there
for people to keep them

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entertained.
I'd be really fun.

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Yeah.
Nah.

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Anyway, who are you introduce?
Yourself.

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Hello, I'm Dylan Price.
Anyone who's played for a long

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time knows I'm a primary school
teacher.

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Obviously I've spent, I actually
talk about the other day.

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I've spent like seven years in
year four.

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Have you?
Yeah, I did two years at the

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start of my career.
I've in my, well, I'm in my 4th

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year now.
So six years I've been in year

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four, I've done year three, done
year five.

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I've never done year six though,
and I've only ever worked in

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Junior School.
So I'm not done key stage one.

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And it's like I think in the
future we should definitely get

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some on the podcast.
If anyone knows of anyone who's

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influential in Key stage 1 or
early years, I'd love to have a

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chat with them because that
seems like a different one.

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To me, it is a different world.
It's just is, isn't it?

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Whenever we do get the chance to
speak to someone, like maybe one

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of our friends are like, ohh
yeah, I work in a through

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school.
I'm always like Ohh yeah, I

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forget that.
So there's a whole another world

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there of like completely
different pedagogy and.

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Cause to me, year three is
basically starting a brand new

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school and they fill up.
Brand new kids.

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Yeah, well actually in any
through school they are

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absolutely in with the school
ethos.

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They know all the way through.
Yeah, 100%.

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So I don't know, I find it
really interesting.

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Anyway, we're here, we talk
about all things Hayden was

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talking about.
We start the podcast.

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The actual reason we started the
podcast was because of the

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strikes.
You remember when we were

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getting a lot of negative media
in the in in the press, and we

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thought should we just go on and
chat and we did some funny

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voices and stuff.
So if you haven't checked out,

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do go back to the start, do
listen through.

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You can pick which episode
you're interested in.

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Not gonna lie.
Some of them are absolutely

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brilliant.
Some of them are terrible.

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So, you know, it's, it's, it's a
bit of a guessing back to the

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first like three or four, maybe
a bit more where we were like

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make a conscious about what we
were saying and we were just a

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bit more radio hosting.
Yeah.

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Hello.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach Snoopy.
And I'd sit there afterwards.

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I'm not unspent, honestly. 3
hours editing it.

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Any pause that was more than
like nought .3 seconds or cut

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out?
Cut out sounds bad, sound bad.

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And now we're just is just raw,
uncut.

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Every episode is just these.
Poor people.

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Now the production value usually
gets better as time goes down.

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Nose dive down the production by
you.

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I don't have anyone who's
listening for a while has

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noticed anything so far.
Please let us know if you have,

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because we spent about two hours
sorting out what audio levels

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didn't we?
The other did.

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Let us know if it sounds pretty
good, pretty juicy, and it

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sounds the same.
Please don't tell us.

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We put a lot of time into.
It sounds worse.

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Just don't even go there.
Yeah, Dylan didn't write it on

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our notes, so I've gone off
script here.

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OK, people recently obviously
listen to our podcast friends as

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well.
Just saying it's going to be

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like house need financial
planning.

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Is he all right after you
referenced him like as as as if

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that's his name and episode.
So I thought that was quite

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funny.
Would make a lovely idea.

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We've got recurring characters
now and and new financial

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planning is one.
I think we should never say his

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real name again.
No no.

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Absolutely yeah.
Need financial planning wouldn't

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want his name shared.
That is his name.

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Yeah.
Legally changed it.

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One of our duties I was speaking
to the other day who also lives

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around here so I was saying that
she was in Broadstairs recently

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and saw his shot.
I was like ohh with her mates

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that's that's that's old knee
financial planning from from the

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teacher.
Repeat podcast from that from.

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That, yeah, this guy built his
old career is an amazing

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financial advisor.
Yeah, he's just known as the guy

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from teacher.
I hope so, so I just thought was

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quite funny but.
Well, if anyone does need any

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financial planning, you know,
pensions activity could go to

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new financial planning.
But now he's fantastic.

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He's done mortgages and stuff,
isn't he?

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So, yeah, especially the
interest rates to them and still

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not coming down.
Yeah, I know.

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Horrendous, horrendous.
I do quite like the idea of

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continually, forever having
having a sponsor that's just,

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it's not really a sponsor which
is a paid sponsors no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no.
We've got this joke sponsor that

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we have.
Isn't even a joke.

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It's a real business where you
can really go and get sponsored

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by.
It's not.

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It's the worst.
It's actually the worst middle

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ground possible.
But we're not taking the Mick we

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used to do old sponsors,
remember.

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We're like sponsored by
well-being and Ofsted and we

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just take them out.
Yeah, and then the other end is

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an actual sponsor where we get
paid.

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We've done the middle ground.
We're just given like new

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financial planning.
I was gonna say real name.

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I think it's.
Brilliant.

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It's hilarious.
Oh dear.

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Because who needs to make money
from my podcast anyway?

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No, not us.
Definitely not sure, that's for

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sure.
Back to the customers.

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Yeah.
Hey customers.

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So yeah, let's catch up all
week.

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Then Hayden, I'm gonna start.
Start because I had a moment

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this week, which is absolutely
crack me up and you'll know

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about this because you are the
instigator of said thing.

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So anyone again listening for a
long time to the podcast you

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might remember baby.
Mr. Price.

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Now what happened was I planned
the lesson probably about three

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years ago now, where one of the
hooks were almost always one of

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the hooks.
When you plan lessons to the

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children just to get them
remotely interested in what

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you're doing because let's be
honest, maths word problems can

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be quite boring.
So you know you have control

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over the people you put in.
It's very common for a teacher

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to put in the names of the
children in the class, the

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teachers in the school.
Very easy way to hook my hook

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was I got a picture of myself as
a baby and I put it on the

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screen and it was like this.
I had like a photo shoot and the

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joke is I simultaneously look 3
and 73 like this.

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It's such a weird one post on
Instagram again.

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Yeah.
So Hayden like took his

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opportunity to take this photo
having from the planning and

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he's made little cards like
Pokémon, cards like trading

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cards, only it's just me and
every year he only prints 9 and

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you got there's like there's a
hundred kids and like.

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Every year, by the way, it's so
much more special than that.

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Like I've done it twice in like
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Years even.
Better This year I printed.

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Nine this year.
This cohort had me in year three

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and year four, so they very
much, you know, know who I am

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and they they always come and
see me and it's lovely.

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And as soon as Hayden made this
thing, baby missed the prize.

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I've had kids coming up to me.
I had to sign the card.

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They can sign the card please in
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So I've been signing stuff in
Sharpies, you know, saying well

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done, they have to do something
above and beyond to get.

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I'm either extremely hard to get
these guys, all of them.

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I was like they are collectible.
I'm never gonna make these

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again.
I'm not making more.

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There's nine points on steroids.
Yeah, literally.

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And I was like, I don't know
what they like.

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What I have to do is get ones I
don't know.

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It just has to be a spur of the
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I used to do something great.
I don't know in in your lesson,

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outside of lesson, whatever I
was like.

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But there's only nine and I will
give them out over the next

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couple of.
Weeks.

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Have you gone out now?
They're all gone now.

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As of you should.
Have one more for Sats week.

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Really, really suits me to a
shiny one Pokémon.

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Just do one shiny.
One holographic Mr Anyway,

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yesterday I went to get my hair
cut and I was walking back to

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the car and through the car
park.

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I went past Morrisons and I'll
nip into Morrisons.

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I'll get some food for dinner.
And so I went in and I noticed a

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child who's in Year 6 Ways to
Teach.

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And obviously it was that
awkward moment where for like 10

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seconds I was like, do I say
hello?

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Do I just walk on?
By.

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Because if she sees me obviously
she wanna chat and I'm anyone is

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a teacher and the situation
always is like, I don't know.

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Anyway, I was walking past and
her dad was at the end and we

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saw each other and obviously I
was like, ohh hello, because

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we're going to talk later about
building relationships with

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parents.
But I knew this parent quite

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well.
We're chatting away.

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He was asking me about Rory.
It was lovely.

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And then all of a sudden the
girl just said, wait Mr. Price,

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I've got something and I was
like oh OK what's that?

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And she was like patting around
her pocket She ohh where is it?

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Where's this thing?
She went into her pocket and

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pulled out a picture of me as a
baby.

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She had a Mr. Price laminated
card held up and I just saw from

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it her dad was like and I was
like ohh weird.

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I didn't give you that.
Did I give you that picture of

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me?
That was, that was Mr Stevens

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care of me giving out cards with
me as a baby to the children.

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It's just like for God's sake.
And she was so happy.

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She was like, look, I've got
this and I was like, ohh that

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Mister Stephen Taylor looking at
their dad like I've seen you

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like.
Perfection.

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She's so excited.
I honestly, I can't think of a

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better conclusion for those
cars.

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Like that is the ultimate.
I couldn't have planned that I

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would.
I would have dreamed about it.

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It was so funny if one of these
found its way in the surprise

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out.
Of school.

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But her dad was like, what's
that?

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And I was like, it's me as a
baby and you just see like.

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So perfectly awkward for you.
And I love that.

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Yeah, hilarious.
That is brilliant.

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What?
What a story.

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Ridiculous.
I know you wanted to talk about

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something that cropped up
online.

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Yeah, well, I'll get on my
phone, so I'll, I'll scrolling

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through Facebook as I do.
Yep.

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And there's an anonymous teacher
group.

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Well, say anonymous.
This person posted anonymously

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in this group and I asked them
just for just for for

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clarification, I asked this
person if I could share on the

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podcast because it wasn't
enough.

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Since then it's done the rounds,
by the way.

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So if you're listening to this
in the future, I think Mr P is

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actually.
So I picked up on this and I've

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seen a few other people posting.
It says done the rounds, but I

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just want to say I found it
first.

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I'm joking, it doesn't matter,
but I want to talk about anyway.

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So this is what they posted,
right?

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And I just wanna get your rash
on this.

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Yeah, this is a random one.
Can't quite believe I'm posting

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this, but today I was pulled
into the office because some of

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my books in the reading corner
were upside down.

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Christ.
I was told this had to be sorted

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because Ofsted came if.
If Ofsted came, they would

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definitely pick up on.
This like God.

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And they just said, Am I being
insane to think this is definite

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nitpicking is a working class on
my children absolutely love

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accessing our Reading Corner, so
regularly go in and browse a

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selection of books.
What was the I've got a reaction

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to that.
What was the General?

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Reaction first.
Ohh, the general reaction is

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exactly what you'd hope it would
be.

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Which is what on earth are you
sort of like this is mental

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Absolutely naughty are being
absolutely.

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So this is what I was going to
pick up on What?

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On this story, right?
Hmm.

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I actually don't.
My first thought isn't to blame

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Ofsted because I know it was
given as Ofsted will pick up on

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this.
Yeah, a lot of people might look

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around like bloody Ofsted.
I don't think Ofsted would pick

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up on it.
I think that's the Lt being

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absolutely insane.
Yeah, that's my my.

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Gut feeling isn't there because
like a bit of common sense,

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yeah, will tell you that often.
Aren't gonna pick.

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Up.
I don't think that maybe they

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would.
Maybe I'm being really naive.

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No way they would.
But having gone for Ofsted, if

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like once I've only got for
once.

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Yeah, but haven't heard other
people as well.

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I don't feel like that's part
of.

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Their priorities.
You put things into like, you

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know, 5° of yeah, nitpicking
right, this one up right at the

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bottom, isn't it?
And it went off.

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They came in, they did.
Barely picked up on the three

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tiers above that.
Yeah sure is there no way

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they're gonna be like ohh why
then books upside down.

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Oh, the kids were reading them,
and they're 8.

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So when they put it back in, if
you have a picturesque book, you

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know, I always think are the
kids ever using it?

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Yeah, yeah.
Whereas if it's a bit messy.

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I'm like, isn't it proof if it's
upside down that a child has

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read it?
Well, if anyone out there has a

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book corner that their children
don't use, turn them upside

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down.
Yeah, look like they do.

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So that's that's insane.
I think the buck has to stop at

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some point with with that kind
of SLT to me.

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To me, and this might sound
insane again to other people,

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that is enough for me to realise
that I would not want to work in

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that school.
If that is, if that is deemed

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acceptable by those people in
charge as as something that you

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can say to someone.
Where?

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Where?
I'm sure at the same point, you

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know, there were also spent,
just spent their weekend

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planning an English curriculum.
Right.

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If if that is what you think is
deemed acceptable to pull

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someone aside and moan at them
for.

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I think that's a toxic school
and you should get out.

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Yeah.
And.

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And do you think that's too far?
A lot of people said the same

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thing.
A lot of people said that they

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were like you should leave the
school.

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Other people.
One of the comments was

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interesting.
Someone actually came in kind of

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defending or not defending it
really.

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They were just like let's just
calm down a bit because we all

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know the pressures.
When they went back to the

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Ofsted point they were like, we
all know the pressures of

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Ofsted, Right.
And it does make people do

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mental things.
Yeah, it's maybe not like, you

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know, Yeah, that's true.
Just been off the SLT

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immediately as the worst place
ever and leave the score.

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Maybe just have a conversation
with them be like, are you OK?

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Like, Are you sure?
Because I don't think this is

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something off there.
But I think it's very easy to

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say this is definitely not
something that Ofsted is going

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to pick.
Up on Yeah.

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And I suppose if that would be
the next step, I guess.

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And if at that point they double
down and still have a go at you,

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I think at that point you can be
like you're gay.

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At that point, yeah.
OK, now just be an.

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Idiot.
Because we know the type of

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person who would make that
problem.

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Like, everyone knows that kind
of person who'd work in a

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school, never been, not been in
the classroom for 15 years,

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thinks that's important.
For some reason, sort of

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forgotten.
Yeah yeah, just almost

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forgotten.
Like that's OK to say.

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It's just books upside down.
I'm just gonna I'm helping them.

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I'm just going to say to someone
I'll just tell you books upside

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down.
I've said wouldn't like that I I

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just maybe because I'm in the
classroom and I see book corners

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in use every day.
Yeah, I just couldn't care less.

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Obviously every now and then I
have you know monitors for the

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book corner.
I'm like, ohh, you too.

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Could you just go and clean up
that book corners?

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A bit messy, yeah?
In the meantime, cheese.

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Like it doesn't matter.
Get over it.

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Just clarify because obviously
that that is just like a mad

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example.
Absolutely mad.

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I like you.
I agree with you.

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I don't think that's Ofsted
pressure.

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I think that's just not doing
their jobs properly and not

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knowing what the hell they want.
But do you think, just clarify.

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I don't want to give the
impression that we think

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something we don't.
Do you think that Ofsted do have

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a part to play in some of the
pressures that are put on

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teachers, Jesus in schools from
SLT specifically?

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Like silly.
Things 95% of them.

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This is in the 5%.
Yeah, like like 95% of the staff

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as teachers banners out and
affect our well-being from SLT

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that are deemed as because
Ofsted.

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I'd say 95% of them are because
of Ofsted.

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Yeah, like for example, you know
if you've got, if you've had to

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give someone in the school for
no extra time or pay the art

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leadership and then STL, Ohh,
this progression document just

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doesn't quite cut it from year
three to five in terms of how we

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do line sketching, right.
Can you sort it out?

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Like, that's also to me insane.
Like when like what am I going

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to do?
But that is directly because of

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the Ofsted framework which says
that we could be deep dived in

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anything.
Yeah, art could be one of them.

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So you need to get it sorted.
Like so.

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So in that respect I'm like, I
have all the sympathy of SLT.

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Hmm.
I I still think there's a degree

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of responsibility and that's why
I think being SLT is incredibly

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hard in a school because you've
got to be the middleman where

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you have to take into account
well-being.

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But you also need to live up to
the office framework whilst your

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school gets rinsed by Ofsted.
Yeah.

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Like.
So I'm not pretending it's easy,

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but I think 95% of the time we
can point to Ofsted little

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things like this.
I think that's where SLT can

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really have small wins and
really have the back of your of

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your staff and and really put
well-being first in that

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respect.
I think that the front foot has

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to come from SLT until Ofsted is
reformed and that's a really

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hard job and I again I don't
want to be SLT bashing because

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so many SLT members do so well
in that regard.

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Like you know there might be
sort out there who won't move

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people because they want to give
people a bit of rest because

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moving them up to year six from
your.

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That's a huge amount of workload
change because you're you're

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used to teaching where you are
or you know there might be Lt

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who purposefully book you out
for slots of just you know

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here's a well-being or here's a
morning to get ahead on planning

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because I know that means you do
less at the weekend That kind of

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stuff is is fantastic from SLT
and loads do that.

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I think these little things just
you have to have that moment of

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just clarity in your head where
you go oh I what am I doing like

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that SLT member.
I reckon if they just if they

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just thought about it for 30
seconds they probably would have

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done that.
Yeah.

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I think they've had a bit of a
panic they've seen somewhere

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maybe from a colleague in a
different school they've just

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had Ofsted.
Ofsted were really positive

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about reading corners maybe.
Yeah.

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That's probably what's drawn.
And they've they've they've gone

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ohh God laws are a bit messy
crap.

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I've just went round.
That's upside down.

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Sort it out Ofsted.
Wanna look for that.

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It could have been a flying
comment off an Ofsted comment

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that means nothing.
Yeah.

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And it.
I think it just goes to show the

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absolute mess we're in, where we
are, so at the behest of Ofsted

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that anything we hear like it
dictates.

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School policy doesn't
immediately yeah, to any

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detriment.
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter.

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I know we're gonna talk a little
bit and we'll come back around

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to the main episode in a minute
to ask you one more thing.

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So you talked about how with
art, for example, the subject

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has to be like unbelievably
perfect now because they could

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deep dive anything.
Do you like miss?

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We have Mr P on last week,
right?

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And he was on that podcast.
I forgot what was called the

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parenting.
Podcast.

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He was.
He was.

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On the one where he got grilled,
the news agents, newsagents,

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newsagents, and I listened to
it.

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I did, and we talked to him a
little bit about it.

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I never really got to dive deep
into that, Those questions, they

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were really going for it when
they really journalistic.

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Questions.
Not like ours when we just have

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a chat.
Yeah, they probably put it.

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On the spot and and one of them
was about OK well do you do you

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not think that teachers should
be accountable and you must be

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held like less accountable than
they are And and I just, I don't

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know.
I find that question really

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interesting like and it works
with the analogy you were giving

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there like do you think it's it
is bad then that Ofsted are now

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making it where it's like OHH
actually any of your subjects

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could get looked at so they all
didn't need to be really good.

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Like, is that a bad thing then?
Yeah.

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It the reason it the only reason
it's a bad thing is because we

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aren't remotely given the
resources to live up to that

456
00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:17,210
standard.
So for me it's a two pronged

457
00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:19,660
thing that these two things are
about to say have to move

458
00:17:19,670 --> 00:17:20,780
together, right.
Right.

459
00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:24,970
So the standards and, you know,
absolute top level that we're

460
00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:28,050
supposed to work towards that
can only be as high as the

461
00:17:28,060 --> 00:17:30,120
resources and the money and the
funding and the time that we're

462
00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:32,220
given to do it right.
Well, I think what's what's

463
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:37,240
really been terrible in the last
15 years or so is I personally

464
00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:39,820
don't think that we should be at
all budging on the standards of

465
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:42,740
teaching.
I think, I think objectively

466
00:17:42,790 --> 00:17:46,100
it's actually good that Ofsted
have ridiculously high

467
00:17:46,110 --> 00:17:47,860
standards.
I think that is objectively a

468
00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:50,040
good thing on its own, in
isolation.

469
00:17:50,110 --> 00:17:53,200
I think where it really really
falls apart and it can't happen

470
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:56,920
it it can't be the case now is
that that does not translate to

471
00:17:56,930 --> 00:17:59,760
the funding and the time and the
effort and the CPD and the

472
00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:01,300
money.
Quite simply that was into

473
00:18:01,310 --> 00:18:03,060
school do the job.
So what's happening at the

474
00:18:03,070 --> 00:18:05,940
minute is that bar has not
shifted if anything it's got

475
00:18:05,950 --> 00:18:09,590
higher what Ofsted expect from
schools and and again someone

476
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,470
can try and do gotcha is that
not a good thing.

477
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:13,430
Obviously it's a good thing for
our children to have incredibly

478
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,310
high standards and bars that
live to right but it's coming at

479
00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,640
the detriment of teachers who
have to put their well-being and

480
00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:21,670
mental health on the line to
meet those standards whilst not

481
00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,460
getting time or money to do so.
Yeah.

482
00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:26,790
So what I'm saying is if the
government thinks it's

483
00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,660
acceptable to completely rinse
school of funding and make cuts

484
00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:34,140
for 15 years in a row, they also
by proxy are saying it's

485
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:35,730
acceptable to lower standards
for schools.

486
00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:39,030
And if they're not, what they're
doing is having absolutely no

487
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,340
indication that they care for
teachers, well-being on mental

488
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:43,790
health whatsoever.
So they have to move together.

489
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,600
If you're gonna cut schools and
funding, you have to lower the

490
00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:48,990
bar and then you have to answer
to people who say why alone the

491
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,130
bar.
And that would be a really good

492
00:18:50,140 --> 00:18:51,530
question to ask and to be
unacceptable.

493
00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:54,890
So you know what you have to do?
Get that funding back up so we

494
00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:56,850
can give our kids the best
education possible.

495
00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:58,090
Because at the minute.
Standards, yeah.

496
00:18:58,100 --> 00:18:59,250
Cause at the.
Minute what's happening is

497
00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:02,190
teachers have to have a backbone
and say no, It's breaking me.

498
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,680
We have to be the ones who say
we can't meet those standards

499
00:19:04,690 --> 00:19:05,970
and then we get digged out for
it.

500
00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:08,800
It's a classic government
manipulation where they'll make

501
00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:10,490
cuts.
They've done it a million times.

502
00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:12,490
Ohh, let's make academies.
We're gonna make cuts.

503
00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:14,220
But the academies are in charge
of whether money goes.

504
00:19:14,270 --> 00:19:17,440
So when the Academies don't have
enough money to put things in

505
00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:20,390
place, is the Academy's fault
because they decide where their

506
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,260
money goes?
Ohh you think?

507
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:22,940
A bit Better Business manager,
shouldn't you?

508
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:24,670
Exactly whereas.
Actually what's happened is the

509
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,840
money got in the 1st place is
not enough.

510
00:19:26,850 --> 00:19:28,680
Yeah, so the buck lies with the
government.

511
00:19:28,690 --> 00:19:30,120
It's terrible.
Brilliant.

512
00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:31,920
Great answer.
Yeah, it's disgusting.

513
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:32,920
Yeah, brilliant.
Thank you.

514
00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:35,570
Anyway, one last thing, if we
move on back into the into the

515
00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:37,780
nice thing, could we will we
will have got a couple of things

516
00:19:37,790 --> 00:19:40,880
when I talk about and I've just
got to say one thing right now

517
00:19:40,890 --> 00:19:44,320
to all our listeners.
Hayden and I have been going on

518
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:47,960
some luscious post schools sunny
walk just me.

519
00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:51,650
And him holding hands.
No, I'm not saying, but those

520
00:19:52,660 --> 00:19:55,580
are the ones where we have our
children, sorry, partners,

521
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:59,760
sorry, not the private ones, but
the the point being how

522
00:19:59,770 --> 00:20:03,080
unbelievably nice is it like
that's all I want to say.

523
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:05,250
Not much more, really.
How unbelievably nice is it to

524
00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:09,690
finish work and have the ability
to go out on a sunny walk for an

525
00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:12,570
hour?
Umm, it it it's transformed my

526
00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:13,670
well-being person.
Yeah, and.

527
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,550
You've gotta do it, cause you
only get about six of them a

528
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,580
year.
Sometimes you do now it's so

529
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:20,120
good.
I agree.

530
00:20:20,130 --> 00:20:22,870
It affects my mood.
It's so much.

531
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,330
It's unbelievable how much, how
much it affects my mood and the

532
00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:26,890
evenings being longer.
Hmm.

533
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,570
I get less tired.
It's just something little, like

534
00:20:28,580 --> 00:20:30,230
psychological tricks.
And there's like, I'm just less

535
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,180
tired because my brain is like,
no, it's still daytime, you're

536
00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:34,350
fine and there's nothing.
Worse than in winter when you

537
00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,790
leave school, leave for school
and get back to to at home and

538
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,660
it's dark, yeah.
Dark all the day's.

539
00:20:39,670 --> 00:20:41,220
Over.
Yeah, the same amount of times

540
00:20:41,230 --> 00:20:42,750
in a day.
But it just felt so different,

541
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,020
man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

542
00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:45,710
Just wanted to say that guys get
out for a walk.

543
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,190
You think?
Ohh, I can't be bothered.

544
00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:49,230
You know, you always feel
better.

545
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,750
Is is that.
Our first tip to our new

546
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,340
teachers or we're gonna save
that for.

547
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,940
That segment, we've got one
little segment in between, let's

548
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:56,890
play Jingle got one little
segment, but if you're a new

549
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:59,590
teacher, hopefully not turned
you off so far and you would

550
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,740
have gone.
Up we've got one little.

551
00:21:00,750 --> 00:21:03,230
Segment, We're going to talk
about something promised to be

552
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,630
actually the most horrendous
thing insult that you've been

553
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,960
given by a child.
Let's do it right.

554
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:14,200
So I've got my phone because
essentially last week with Mr P,

555
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:16,060
we did a little tiny segment
wasn't planned.

556
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:19,670
We just kind of told some
stories about the worst insults

557
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,220
are kicking of you.
And the whole point was if we

558
00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:23,790
can deal with teachers with some
of the insults children come out

559
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,920
with, uh, we can do pretty much
anything.

560
00:21:25,930 --> 00:21:27,780
So it doesn't matter what other
people say about teaching.

561
00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:29,750
It's alright because children
have said this to me and

562
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,280
something horrendous and it kind
of sparked this comment section

563
00:21:33,290 --> 00:21:35,700
of people saying all the worst
things that teacher said to

564
00:21:35,710 --> 00:21:37,660
them.
So I thought it would be quite

565
00:21:37,670 --> 00:21:39,570
pretty cool for me to read them
out to you to get your Yeah.

566
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:41,050
So I'm gonna read through some
of them.

567
00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:42,600
Some of these are so fun.
I love it when they.

568
00:21:42,610 --> 00:21:43,540
Interact with us.
It's great.

569
00:21:43,550 --> 00:21:44,830
Yeah, I know it's.
Great sense.

570
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,420
Stuffing guys as much possible.
Customers.

571
00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:48,980
God.
OK, first, the first time I'd

572
00:21:48,990 --> 00:21:51,520
highlights a reception, Child
said to me, What have you done

573
00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:52,920
to your hair?
It's got yellow bits in it.

574
00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:54,400
Go back home and make it proper
again.

575
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,410
The next time I put a bit of
makeup on as it was parents

576
00:21:59,420 --> 00:22:02,170
evening and a year year two
child stared at me with a

577
00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:04,960
confused look on her face and
said Miss, what have you done to

578
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:05,620
your face?
Should it?

579
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:07,410
Really weird.
Exposed to that?

580
00:22:07,420 --> 00:22:10,660
Hilarious.
Once had a student comment

581
00:22:10,670 --> 00:22:12,480
missed.
That dress is so extra it's

582
00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:15,520
giving me a migraine.
It was just trophy.

583
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,080
This one cracked me up.
This is, I can imagine a child

584
00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:19,260
doing this to you.
Alright.

585
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:22,280
I was working supporting a child
who was challenging and we had

586
00:22:22,290 --> 00:22:24,820
just calmed down and we were
walking down the corridor to

587
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:27,060
return back to class.
They're in a much better place

588
00:22:27,070 --> 00:22:30,240
now and he honestly had a wicked
sense of humour when he was on

589
00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:32,060
form.
So we are passing.

590
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:34,260
A male colleague coincidentally
called Mr because it's on the

591
00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:36,500
real Mr Ping.
I said good morning with a

592
00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:39,230
smile, to which Mr P returned
and also said good morning to

593
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,860
the child I was working with, to
which the child stopped, looked

594
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:45,220
at Mr P up and down and then
said completely deadpan, Who

595
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:46,450
dressed you?
Your mum?

596
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,170
Ohh shrugs, and then kept
walking.

597
00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:50,870
I literally couldn't look him in
the face.

598
00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:53,510
Me too hard not to laugh, but we
did have a laugh about it later.

599
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,770
That's that's.
Unreal, isn't it?

600
00:22:55,780 --> 00:22:57,980
Yeah, so to the point.
Dude dressed?

601
00:22:57,990 --> 00:23:02,900
You ever seen with people?
Grab me up because I know you

602
00:23:02,910 --> 00:23:04,480
say similar things about
yourself.

603
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:07,680
Have you got a baby in your
tummy or just too many dinners?

604
00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:11,300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kids and like, you know, they're

605
00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:13,330
not even being horrible.
They just think, what what are

606
00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:15,360
you pregnant?
Yeah, it's so brutal.

607
00:23:15,370 --> 00:23:18,360
Yeah, it's so brutal.
One someone got who was brand

608
00:23:18,370 --> 00:23:21,020
new into teaching at the time
really young at one of the

609
00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:23,630
children said should we actually
wait for the real teacher?

610
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:25,340
Ohh.
No way.

611
00:23:25,630 --> 00:23:26,870
Kids know that hierarchy.
They don't.

612
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,860
They know that in their heads
they're like, no, no, no.

613
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:30,160
We want the teacher, not the
teacher.

614
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:30,870
Good.
Too young.

615
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,590
I got told like the Grinch when
I was telling a story the other

616
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,450
day that just kids say, yeah you
like the Grinch?

617
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:40,880
Ohh my goodness.
This one really, really cracked

618
00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:42,700
me up because it's like really
endearing at the end.

619
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:45,140
But it's horrible, right?
The best kind of insult was

620
00:23:45,150 --> 00:23:48,670
dealing with a child who had had
special educational needs, and I

621
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,080
was talking to him, trying to
turn them around, turn them on.

622
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,100
And in doing so, he told me he
could count on one hand how many

623
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:58,330
children actually liked him,
Liked me, he then added.

624
00:23:58,340 --> 00:23:59,460
But he's one of them.
Children.

625
00:23:59,710 --> 00:24:02,720
Oh.
OK, yeah, that's a weird one.

626
00:24:02,730 --> 00:24:03,750
How?
Do you take that?

627
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:05,650
Yeah.
I can count on one hand how

628
00:24:05,660 --> 00:24:07,020
people like you, but I'm one of
them.

629
00:24:07,030 --> 00:24:08,240
Like is he?
Trying to be horrible.

630
00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:10,680
Is he trying to be nice?
Nice, but doesn't realise?

631
00:24:10,690 --> 00:24:12,400
That's kind of horrible.
Probably just telling the truth,

632
00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:14,450
but do you think it's OK?
Like a lot of these things,

633
00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:15,450
right?
Just a couple more.

634
00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:16,690
OK, cool.
Miss.

635
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,610
You look so pretty in your
picture on your on your lanyard.

636
00:24:19,620 --> 00:24:21,740
It was Doesn't look anything
like you now, though.

637
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,400
How old is?
Your line?

638
00:24:25,980 --> 00:24:28,520
Probably about four years.
I've definitely messed up with

639
00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:30,530
like 10 years.
Lanyard picture.

640
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:34,550
Last one, when I was working in
a year two class and was 14, one

641
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,010
of the boys asked me how old I
was.

642
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,810
He looked at me, shocked.
Went And you're still alive.

643
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:42,820
God, that just reminds me of
that that story of that mom that

644
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:47,140
aged me up times.
Yeah, go back and find it in one

645
00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:50,010
of our Just just.
Place it among thought he was

646
00:24:50,020 --> 00:24:52,940
just about. 20 years too much by
Mum and they were being genuine

647
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:55,100
and I was like, ohh that's
funny, ohh God, I put one of my.

648
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:59,100
Stories.
Ohh, we did get a couple, one of

649
00:24:59,110 --> 00:25:00,490
them said.
The reception girl just

650
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,370
gleefully pointed to to this
teacher's top lip and said

651
00:25:03,380 --> 00:25:06,480
you've got hair, so a female.
You've got her there.

652
00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:09,700
Have you ever had that before?
I had a child.

653
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:13,120
I'm sure I've said this, who
simply just said to me, just ask

654
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:15,080
me a question really
inquisitively.

655
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:17,440
It was like, why have you got a
spot on your face?

656
00:25:17,710 --> 00:25:24,060
I was like, how do I, how do I
say the reason because my diet

657
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:26,080
bad?
Like what do you say to them?

658
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,270
I don't know.
I'm not saying you've.

659
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,530
Got spots?
They're just like, why?

660
00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:30,120
Well, let's talk about.
The levels for a second then.

661
00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:31,500
Cause like when when you're
reading through those.

662
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:33,480
It was funny because my reaction
was kind of different.

663
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:35,140
I was thinking about how I react
to some of them.

664
00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:37,340
Some of them I was like, well,
actually even me.

665
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:39,230
I'm quite banterous at school,
your favourite.

666
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:41,750
I did it on purpose with the
kids.

667
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,800
But there are still some things
I'm like, Oh no, that is just

668
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:45,330
rude though, don't say that.
Well.

669
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:47,180
We were thinking about this we
recently.

670
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:48,540
There are three levels to this,
right?

671
00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:51,630
So to me, when when children are
pushing up, like being

672
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,020
insulting, essentially there's
three levels and one of them's

673
00:25:55,030 --> 00:25:58,390
kind of awkward.
So there's one really obvious

674
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,370
one where a child is just being
rude.

675
00:26:00,420 --> 00:26:02,190
Yeah, they're just, they're just
our being rude.

676
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,500
It's not based on anything done
before.

677
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:05,890
It's just like, oh, you're just
being horrible and I need to

678
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,480
sanction this behaviour.
Yeah, and I need to make sure

679
00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:10,420
you know, that's unacceptable.
That's really easy to deal with.

680
00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:11,710
Yeah.
There's also the other end,

681
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,650
which is also, my opinion, quite
easy to deal with.

682
00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:15,790
Like when a reception child says
you've got hair on your upper

683
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,230
lip.
Yeah, it they're just being

684
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,620
innocent, pointing something out
which you're insecure about and

685
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:21,960
it's not nice.
They haven't, really.

686
00:26:21,970 --> 00:26:22,740
Learned yet?
Maybe.

687
00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:24,750
That's sure and there's no.
Malice They don't.

688
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,450
Wanna get the reactions be
different, isn't it?

689
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:28,130
Yeah, it's.
You can teach them something

690
00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:32,020
still, yeah, but I but you, you
cannot, like, you know, say to

691
00:26:32,030 --> 00:26:34,050
them or you're being horrible.
Because why?

692
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,690
Have you got spots?
Yeah, probably.

693
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:38,370
It would be different if they
stood up in front of the class.

694
00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:40,120
Yeah, it was already smirking,
looking around at their mates,

695
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:42,990
getting ready to make him laugh
and went, I was Spicer, why are

696
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,560
you so spotty?
Yeah.

697
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,010
And so, yeah, that makes sense
in that situation, that context,

698
00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:49,870
I'd be like, no, you were just
being horrible to try and make

699
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,780
people laugh at my expense and
not even in like a like a jokey

700
00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:55,030
way like you would just enable.
The one in that situation, it

701
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,820
was like literally one to one.
I was just helping my work and

702
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:59,970
no one else heard it.
She was she was just asking and

703
00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,020
I was like, ohh, she is just
asking.

704
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:04,460
So, so they're the two that I
think are easy to deal with.

705
00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:07,360
Where do you stand?
Because I know you and I part of

706
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:09,400
our teaching style.
And again we will come onto this

707
00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:11,920
new teachers who are still
listening, we will come on to, I

708
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:13,440
promise.
But part of our advice is, you

709
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,780
know, building that
relationship.

710
00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:15,770
We'll talk about that in a
minute.

711
00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:19,660
But like, you know, we try and
have a really nice relationship

712
00:27:19,670 --> 00:27:21,720
with our class where they enjoy
being in the room.

713
00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:24,810
Part of that is it being fun,
engaging and part of them is

714
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:27,760
that wanting to be in the room.
And we know children aren't our

715
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:29,290
friends.
What we want children to want to

716
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,230
be in our classroom.
And that involves them liking

717
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,000
their teacher.
Yeah.

718
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:33,880
And their teacher liking them.
Right.

719
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:37,460
And there's always this middle
ground where you've kind of been

720
00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:38,160
jokey.
Jokey.

721
00:27:38,170 --> 00:27:39,130
Haha.
Maybe.

722
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:41,630
You know, Goldilocks and the
three hairs always, you know,

723
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,940
that's always comes to my mind.
Yeah.

724
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:45,620
You, you might say Ohh, he's an
ogre living under the trial

725
00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:46,480
talking about me.
Yeah.

726
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:48,580
That kind of level of like, it's
harmless.

727
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:50,230
It's between us.
They know we're friends, blah,

728
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,980
blah, blah.
But then when a child, for

729
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:54,620
example, I had a child take me
once, we were doing lion, witch

730
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:55,650
and wardrobe.
Hmm.

731
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:58,310
And we were doing, I think, a a
character description on Mr

732
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,710
Tumnus.
Umm.

733
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,630
Like they?
Knew who Mr Thomas was anyway.

734
00:28:01,860 --> 00:28:04,260
And this child just said who
I've got a nice relationship

735
00:28:04,270 --> 00:28:07,700
with, who we have jokes about
sometimes, he said in front of

736
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:08,930
the class.
No, no, no, no.

737
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:11,520
That's Mr Dumbness over there,
talking about me.

738
00:28:11,530 --> 00:28:14,350
Pointed at you, point at me with
a little smirk on his face.

739
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,730
Yeah, again, I think this is the
middle ground.

740
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:17,810
I don't think he was trying to
be.

741
00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,120
He wasn't being horrible.
He wasn't trying to get to me,

742
00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:21,710
and he was trying to make me
laugh.

743
00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:25,110
He thought that was funny.
He wasn't doing it innocently,

744
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:26,860
but he wasn't doing it
maliciously.

745
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:28,520
There's that weird middle ground
would have.

746
00:28:28,530 --> 00:28:30,810
Done it with another teacher, I
don't think he would have, which

747
00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:34,100
is was proof that he probably
he's trying to fulfil this

748
00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:36,490
relationship that you've built
with him that is kind of based

749
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:37,860
on a bit of humour every now and
then, sure, but.

750
00:28:37,870 --> 00:28:40,060
By the end of the day, there are
children, and, you know, I can't

751
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:41,890
trust that they'll get the
nuance if you can't do that to

752
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,780
another teacher because I've
built maybe a surrounding where

753
00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:46,280
he thinks that's acceptable.
Yeah.

754
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:50,140
So I look at myself in that
situation and I think I'm, I'm

755
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:52,600
being hypocritical here to then
pick him up on it.

756
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:55,980
But I felt the need to pick him
up on it and just as a learning

757
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:58,250
experience, say that's not
appropriate really.

758
00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:59,910
Is it in front of the whole
class to say something like

759
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,680
that?
I didn't want him to think what

760
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:03,220
it's the kind of joke you might
make about.

761
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:05,290
These Mr Stevens.
Or one to one or something like

762
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:05,700
that.
Yeah.

763
00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:07,500
So you know, where do you stand
on that kind of middle?

764
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:09,810
How do you balance that?
Because again, teachers will

765
00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:12,240
struggle with that and and
because of that struggle of

766
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,480
where's acceptable, they'll go
to one end or the other.

767
00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:16,400
They'll go completely
unacceptable, let all, you know.

768
00:29:16,410 --> 00:29:18,140
It's not acceptable to let the
kids what they want.

769
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:21,460
But it's also, I don't think the
best practise to not have any

770
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:23,560
kind of joke or laugh of your
children.

771
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:25,070
How do you manage that?
I think there is a.

772
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,990
Middle ground for a start.
I don't think you have to be on

773
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,440
either end.
Sure of like you never have

774
00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:31,130
jokes or it's just gone too far.
I do think sometimes we're a bit

775
00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:32,370
hypocritical.
I think, you know, we're still

776
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:34,660
in that process of maybe there's
probably been a few things were

777
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:36,730
like actually we probably should
have done that differently even

778
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:37,730
this many.
Years in No because.

779
00:29:37,740 --> 00:29:40,620
Like the kids will occasionally
from year four who are super

780
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:42,560
hyped up on the I'll be walking
past the field or something and

781
00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:46,650
they will go boldly locks and
I'm like, we've LED.

782
00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:48,090
Into that Lent, into that we've
let.

783
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,470
Into that and and it but our
contact, someone else listening

784
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,310
or parent or something.
It is like that does sound bad.

785
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,430
That does sound like I've got no
control over them.

786
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,710
Whereas really they're just
desperately trying to make a

787
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,850
funny relationship with me
because of the relationship that

788
00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:00,870
mean you have.
Sure.

789
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:03,080
Say you've been Privy to.
I don't know.

790
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:04,430
But there is definitely middle
ground.

791
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,330
I think that the best way to
tackle it, and I do do this as

792
00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:09,210
well.
Same as you like actually saying

793
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:11,220
that kid, well that wasn't
appropriate even though you do

794
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:13,820
joke, is just take that meta
approach all the time.

795
00:30:13,890 --> 00:30:17,520
When we do have those jokes with
the kids, if I do joke about you

796
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:20,140
in the class, you know, ohh
gosh, I thought, you know a

797
00:30:20,150 --> 00:30:22,600
funny pitch will come up.
Ohh Mr. Price for a second.

798
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:26,160
I will also go out of my way to
explain to them why that's a

799
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:29,540
joke, why it was acceptable in
that moment and why other things

800
00:30:29,550 --> 00:30:30,780
wouldn't be funny.
I don't know.

801
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:33,790
I just really try to explain umm
and and when kids do do

802
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040
something that crosses the line
I will always take the time to

803
00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,830
be like ohh no that was that was
actually just rude and This is

804
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,720
why.
Because.

805
00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:41,560
Yeah, it's like that.
It would be funny if you this

806
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:43,800
situation was funny.
That was just rude because like

807
00:30:43,810 --> 00:30:45,600
you're just trying to get a
laugh out of me.

808
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:47,620
Like to make your friends laugh.
But actually it could have hurt

809
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:48,580
my feelings.
I don't know.

810
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:50,160
I think because.
It's really powerful with

811
00:30:50,170 --> 00:30:51,980
children when you're
disciplining them.

812
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:54,940
Just explain like I think a lot
of teachers are getting old

813
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:57,440
school, maybe not necessarily
these days, but the old school

814
00:30:57,450 --> 00:31:00,160
reproach and I hated this as a
child when anyone did this,

815
00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:02,670
whether it was my parents
teacher at school because that's

816
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,270
why or because I'm an adult I've
hated.

817
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,970
I've I've always disliked that
personally.

818
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,290
And I'm not saying I'm perfect
because I've definitely used the

819
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,730
teacher line because I'm in
charge like when I can't bother

820
00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:12,250
you.
Yeah.

821
00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:15,640
But I think when you're really
trying to dig deep and build

822
00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:18,770
those kind of long lasting
understanding of like social

823
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:21,710
like structures and what's
acceptable and relationships

824
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,090
with people.
I think there's something really

825
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,350
powerful in it being explained.
And in the same way that I would

826
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,430
explain how culture has changed
over the Roman Empire because of

827
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,900
things, as a teacher, I think
it's your job also to explain

828
00:31:33,910 --> 00:31:37,580
and teach children why something
might be deemed unacceptable or

829
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:39,100
acceptable and have them on
their way.

830
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:40,960
And.
And if a child wrote the wrong

831
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:44,700
answer to, you know, a
historical change of power,

832
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:46,740
right, I wouldn't get annoyed at
them.

833
00:31:46,790 --> 00:31:49,090
I would teach them why they were
wrong and what the right answer

834
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:49,420
is.
Yeah.

835
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:51,960
So I I kind of take the line of
cool.

836
00:31:51,970 --> 00:31:55,660
Well, if a child's done that,
what I deem innocently OK, or

837
00:31:55,670 --> 00:31:57,860
even not innocently the first
couple of times, I'm going to

838
00:31:57,870 --> 00:31:58,630
take the line up.
OK.

839
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,520
I'm going to teach you why this
is wrong and how to get better

840
00:32:01,570 --> 00:32:04,000
if they carry on.
Even in the example of the

841
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:06,310
lesson, I might start thinking,
are you being lazy now?

842
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,730
Are you not taking this in if
I've exhausted all other

843
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:10,610
options?
Same with behaviour.

844
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,180
If if they're still going at it,
I'm like, well, you're making

845
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:15,070
this choice now because I've
explained to you very clearly

846
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,610
multiple times why it's
unacceptable.

847
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:18,590
You're still doing it.
So at this point, it's moved

848
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,640
into the unacceptable category.
And then you're gonna get,

849
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:22,740
you're gonna, you're gonna be
sanctioned, yeah, what's?

850
00:32:22,750 --> 00:32:24,670
Good.
At the end of the day, social

851
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,460
boundaries and all that stuff.
It's really complex, confusing,

852
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,050
and the kids do need to learn
it.

853
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:31,710
And I do think the way I talk.
To you is not the way I would

854
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,000
talk to another member of staff.
Like, even.

855
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:35,850
Even.
Outside of teaching, but also in

856
00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:38,680
the classroom, I would feel more
comfortable with someone, you

857
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:40,820
know, putting you on the spot
and be like, well, Mr Stevens,

858
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:42,450
what do you think?
Yeah, it was someone else.

859
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:43,580
I wouldn't want to put them on
the spot.

860
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:44,760
I don't know how they react.
And as an.

861
00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:49,020
Adult other members of staff or
people in general can view the

862
00:32:49,030 --> 00:32:52,620
way we talk to each other and
work out how they should still

863
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:54,260
interact with us.
They don't just automatically.

864
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:57,560
This is where kids fall down.
Adults have got the ability to

865
00:32:57,570 --> 00:33:00,000
look like, ohh, those two
interact like that because of

866
00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:03,420
their individual relationship.
I shouldn't go in and say that

867
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:06,160
thing that Dylan said to hide
and Hayden because it would be

868
00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:07,280
viewed differently.
I've got to build up a

869
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:09,320
relationship in a different way
and kids don't know that

870
00:33:09,330 --> 00:33:11,140
straight away.
And that's the bit I think we

871
00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:13,240
need to teach them.
I've always been a massive fan

872
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:15,750
of teaching kids humility.
Like teaching kids to just be

873
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,220
able to sort of laugh at
themselves.

874
00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:21,310
Teach them, teach them when
someone when someone's intent is

875
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280
not what they think because they
you know they just take the

876
00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:25,280
words on face value of a young
age don't they.

877
00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:28,230
When when a kid hears someone
say something and they take it

878
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,940
so to heart and and I'm and I'm
like Oh no no they were actually

879
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:32,750
just joking and trying to be
your mate and then you didn't

880
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,130
you didn't pick that up.
This kid we're here they called

881
00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:36,530
you that they've been horrible
you know.

882
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:37,810
I mean they're totally
different.

883
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:39,430
Yeah.
They don't get it And so I think

884
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,760
there is a place for what we do.
Yeah, I just think you have to

885
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:45,710
be very careful not to be blase
about just insulting other

886
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,290
teachers and having banter with
the kids and then and then they

887
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,500
and then they don't understand
the social boundaries at all and

888
00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:53,200
actually start just being rude
and horrible and doing things

889
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:55,870
that most people would be like,
well, don't do that because our

890
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,150
job to teach them you'd be
gutted.

891
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,410
Wouldn't you?
If one of your kids got into

892
00:33:59,420 --> 00:34:01,210
trouble with someone else for
doing something you deem

893
00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:03,230
acceptable with them, So you're
like, well that's OK.

894
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,390
In this case, we got this
relationship give then a child

895
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,100
went and did it with another
teacher and got in trouble.

896
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:09,679
That would be my fault.
I I would see that as my fault

897
00:34:09,690 --> 00:34:12,810
and I well.
The one example, you one that

898
00:34:12,820 --> 00:34:14,780
you read there, one of the
examples that really stuck in my

899
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:16,810
head was the the dress one.
Sorry.

900
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:18,440
That who dressed you.
Your mother.

901
00:34:18,449 --> 00:34:19,130
Yeah.
That one.

902
00:34:19,139 --> 00:34:20,480
Whatever.
That was because I was thinking

903
00:34:20,489 --> 00:34:23,719
because you know what, It's I I
find that really rude.

904
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,989
I think I'd actually be quite
annoyed at that kid if I was the

905
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,260
teacher walking past and it was
it was one of your class who

906
00:34:28,270 --> 00:34:31,290
said that to me.
I'd be a bit like if it was out

907
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:32,960
completely out of context.
I'm just walking past.

908
00:34:32,969 --> 00:34:34,699
I'd be like, I'd actually
probably tell that kid off.

909
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:36,750
Yeah, or or at.
Least explain to them that's not

910
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,929
that's not that was.
Complete.

911
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:39,830
I was really rude and like, so
unnecessarily.

912
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,630
Like mean.
Yeah.

913
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,310
But I don't know the context.
For all I know that kid and that

914
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,810
teacher that he said it to have
this running joke.

915
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:48,460
Yeah.
Ready.

916
00:34:48,469 --> 00:34:49,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know where?

917
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:51,730
Where where he maybe said to the
kid or your mum dress you today

918
00:34:51,739 --> 00:34:53,520
because his jump was on
backwards or something, right.

919
00:34:53,530 --> 00:34:55,270
And then the kid, you know,
there's so much nuance.

920
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,830
There might be.
Yeah, we don't could be.

921
00:34:56,900 --> 00:34:58,650
So I don't wanna jump the gun
and be like, ohh, that kid

922
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:00,570
should have been sanctioned, but
I think that's where.

923
00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:02,040
People land sometimes it's like,
cool.

924
00:35:02,050 --> 00:35:05,170
OK, well, because there's this
difficulty at teacher respect.

925
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:06,570
Top of the line, no messing
around.

926
00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:08,960
Yeah, I think as a teacher, I
struggle with that.

927
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:12,120
I struggle maintaining that, not
being able to have that bond.

928
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:14,480
Let's go into some advice, then
we'll play the Jingle.

929
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:16,800
Yeah, advice for new teachers.
I think it's good for all

930
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:19,060
teachers, to be honest.
But I really want to narrow down

931
00:35:19,070 --> 00:35:22,960
into now Hayden and if we had an
ECT who's just finished.

932
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:25,190
No, sorry, they're training.
Who's just finishing their

933
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480
training this year?
Annex starting the job in

934
00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:30,200
September.
What would we say to them as our

935
00:35:30,210 --> 00:35:31,660
top advice, put together some
good tips?

936
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:33,040
I think so.
Should we go through them to get

937
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:36,650
to it?
OK, Hayden, shoot.

938
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:38,830
Go first.
Shoot.

939
00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:43,080
Literally ugly then.
I was going to say, if they're

940
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:45,450
just trying to pass the baton to
you in five seconds, yeah,

941
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,370
you've got the first tip.
We're going to alternate.

942
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:50,370
We brought our own tips here.
They're kind of going under, I

943
00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:51,920
suppose.
So you got the first one for a

944
00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:53,020
reason?
Yeah.

945
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:55,720
The first one it almost in
chronological order, really like

946
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:57,540
you're at the point now where
you're thinking you're applying

947
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:59,910
for schools and all that.
It's a really, it can be quite a

948
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,990
scary experience, right?
If you're applying for schools,

949
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:07,050
schools are so different.
I can't describe to you how

950
00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:08,550
much.
If you see one school and think

951
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,290
ohh guess that's just what
they're like.

952
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:11,510
No, it's not.
I promise.

953
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,270
You can go to another school,
it'll be completely different.

954
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,290
So look around really trust your
gut feeling about whether you as

955
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,840
a person want to work there.
Try to try to remove the I do

956
00:36:19,850 --> 00:36:21,910
need a job for September that I
know that's a pressure because

957
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,860
it's like I do kind of just need
a job though it might be the

958
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:25,610
only interview you've got
whatever.

959
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,900
But if you had the chance to
look around a few schools, feel

960
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:31,470
the vibe.
Honestly, you're just go and

961
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,410
talk to some teachers.
If you get the opportunity, just

962
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:35,720
have just say hello.
What's it like working here?

963
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,830
And they might be honest.
Remember teachers do moan,

964
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,820
though they were generally just
talking to the bad things, but

965
00:36:39,830 --> 00:36:41,840
you can still get a vibe.
If they tell you all good

966
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:43,680
things, you know, it's probably
a good sign of the school.

967
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:49,290
Ask about the policies.
Don't be afraid to like they are

968
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:50,410
hiring you at the end of the
day.

969
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:53,470
Like you're not just you're not
just gonna become their

970
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,990
subordinate like it is also your
life.

971
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,380
So you can ask about, well, what
do you do for teacher well-being

972
00:36:58,390 --> 00:37:01,950
here ask questions like that.
But what's your marketing policy

973
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,730
like here?
You know what?

974
00:37:02,740 --> 00:37:05,210
What kind of average time do
teachers kind of turn up and go

975
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:06,550
home directly?
Affect you?

976
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,400
There's your.
Life, you know, because all

977
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:11,010
these things outside of directed
time, we take, they take for

978
00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:12,260
granted.
Just schools and general take

979
00:37:12,270 --> 00:37:13,470
for granted, we take for
granted.

980
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,450
So ask about it.
You know when I'm not being

981
00:37:15,460 --> 00:37:16,830
paid.
Don't say this, don't say like

982
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,820
this.
You know not being paid after

983
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:22,000
like 345.
How many hours on average do

984
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:23,540
your teachers do unpaid work
every week?

985
00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:25,780
You know, you can ask that in a
nice way without being a

986
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:26,710
sarcastic.
I think it can.

987
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,000
Be really intimidating for
someone at the start of their

988
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:30,240
career to ask questions like
that.

989
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:34,820
I I I'll be really honest now, I
would give this advice to a

990
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:38,040
teacher.
I think going back to when I was

991
00:37:38,050 --> 00:37:41,240
a trainee going around schools,
I would have been really scared

992
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:43,350
to ask these questions.
I didn't ask those questions.

993
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:46,410
I was asking more genetic stuff.
I've just getting the vibe of

994
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:47,310
the school.
I feel like there's two

995
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,370
different things here that
you're saying, both really

996
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:52,010
important.
Schools have a vibe I can't

997
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:53,630
describe to you enough.
If you if you've only been in

998
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,780
like two or three schools
through your training, you

999
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:57,730
probably get the idea that
they're different, right?

1000
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:01,710
But I I honestly walking into a
school, I've never walked into

1001
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,230
two schools that have the same
vibe.

1002
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,080
Yeah, every school has a
different vibe, even from the

1003
00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:08,720
reception staff.
When you walk in that that meet,

1004
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:12,010
you can tell a lot from you
know, their demeanour and treat

1005
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:14,230
people so many factors.
Isn't it like you couldn't even

1006
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,470
you couldn't even pinpoint why?
That's why it's so complex.

1007
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,420
Complex, I guess because it
could literally just be where

1008
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:19,280
the school is.
Yeah.

1009
00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:20,480
It could be the size of the
school.

1010
00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:22,020
It could be the way the SLT run
it.

1011
00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:22,610
Yeah.
Do you know?

1012
00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:24,600
I mean look at how the.
Kids interact with the children.

1013
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:26,120
Look.
Look at how the children are

1014
00:38:26,190 --> 00:38:27,520
outside less.
You just said look at.

1015
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:28,840
How the kids interact with the
children.

1016
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:30,900
Look at how the teachers
interact, the children.

1017
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:34,360
But you know, honestly, small
things like, do the kids say

1018
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:36,280
good morning?
You know, do they open the door

1019
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:37,620
for you?
Are they happy?

1020
00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:38,780
Yeah.
Do they look like they're

1021
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:42,630
enjoying themselves?
You know, there's such things

1022
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,060
you can't fake.
And for me, the vibe of the

1023
00:38:45,070 --> 00:38:47,320
school was impossible to fake in
my opinion.

1024
00:38:47,370 --> 00:38:49,830
And that's really important.
But on the flip side, I

1025
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,810
completely agree with you.
Ask those awkward questions, you

1026
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:54,990
know, tell me, what is the
marking policy?

1027
00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:57,470
And if the school have a problem
talking to you about it or think

1028
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,970
it's an issue, it's a red flag.
Yeah, definitely.

1029
00:38:59,980 --> 00:39:01,810
Definitely.
That's the way to go about it.

1030
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:05,950
You know, I think the my fear of
doing it, if I was an an ECT

1031
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,850
right now doing that would be I
don't want to come across.

1032
00:39:09,340 --> 00:39:11,780
You know, I mean.
So I would definitely balance it

1033
00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:14,080
out with lots of lots of
positivity as well and just drop

1034
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:16,550
in the occasional question like
oh Oh yes, I did that scene, the

1035
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,660
marking, you know, and you just
walk past teachers marking, But

1036
00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:20,700
what is the marking policy like?
You're really interested to

1037
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:23,520
know, you know what kind of
workflow the teachers have got

1038
00:39:23,590 --> 00:39:25,380
at this school.
I think you can you can drop in

1039
00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:27,940
those questions if you sat there
you notepad and went through

1040
00:39:27,950 --> 00:39:31,570
like 8 really hard questions and
the head of clearing.

1041
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:34,180
Your about your benefit, yeah.
You're quite intense, aren't

1042
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:35,910
you?
Know what I don't want?

1043
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,860
I don't want this to go get
like, you know, play the game.

1044
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:42,190
But you should certainly find
out, because it is your life and

1045
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,370
it will consume a lot of your
life.

1046
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,030
So you should should find out
about it.

1047
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,630
Get the right score.
That's my first tip.

1048
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,060
Basically, find the right school
for you and don't be afraid to

1049
00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:50,790
ask questions.
Fantastic.

1050
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,680
My tip my my first tip, I
thought when I thought, what

1051
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:55,910
would I say to say to a trainee
right now who's going into a

1052
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,650
school?
It kind of links already talked

1053
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:59,110
about.
So this won't be too long.

1054
00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:03,030
But I can't stress enough how
important it is to build a

1055
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,950
relationship with your class
because you will have that class

1056
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,270
for one entire year.
It's it's not insignificant, OK?

1057
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,610
It's a very unique way of doing
work.

1058
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:14,510
When you go into a job, you
might have, you know, small

1059
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,770
projects like a different job
where you're with a small team

1060
00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:19,460
of 6 for three months and then
you're with another team of 12

1061
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:21,830
clients, like two months.
Yeah, you're working with a

1062
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,270
client for a bit or you've got
15 clients which aren't off long

1063
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,120
term, short term, whether
whether school, you know you're

1064
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:30,100
dealt a hand in September,
that's your hand for the year.

1065
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,810
And you know, you really have to
build relationships with these

1066
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:36,570
children because of course all
the benefits to do of education

1067
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:38,870
that the kids get more out of it
if they enjoy being in school,

1068
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:41,940
that etcetera, etcetera.
But what I would say to her

1069
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:44,290
brain ears, no, no, this is for
your well-being.

1070
00:40:44,380 --> 00:40:47,030
This is for you actually,
because if you have a positive

1071
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,850
relationship with your class, if
you put time into building that,

1072
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,210
getting to know your children as
individuals.

1073
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:55,830
I think that is why I was
successful as an NQT, because if

1074
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,510
I look at my NQT year, I really,
I really enjoyed it.

1075
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,240
I really enjoyed that year
because I still really, you

1076
00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:06,510
know, vibrant In my teaching I
was, I was very enthusiastic.

1077
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:08,970
It does wane after time,
absolutely.

1078
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:11,710
So whilst you still got that
build that relationship your

1079
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:13,890
class, that is the number one
thing I do every year, which is

1080
00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:17,710
if by Christmas I don't feel
that relationship with my class,

1081
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:20,830
I think I've failed personally
and that's not always true.

1082
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,760
Classes can be really hard to
build a relationship with and

1083
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:24,380
you can do your best and it can
still be tricky.

1084
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:26,790
So I don't anyone to think it's
their fault, but I just feel

1085
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,500
that way because it's how
important it is to me, Yeah, to

1086
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:31,110
build that relationship.
What about?

1087
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,220
The device don't smile till
Christmas, then I think that's

1088
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:35,700
absolute beep.
Beep beep.

1089
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:37,020
I think it's.
I think it's rubbish.

1090
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:39,400
I think it's complete nonsense.
I get why it's a thing.

1091
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:42,780
So let me be really clear here.
I don't think people saying that

1092
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:45,760
are coming from a horrible view.
Unpick it for us because I heard

1093
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:48,390
that anxiety and ECT.
I keep saying BT sorry what

1094
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,420
about Yeah and and I and I maybe
didn't understand the nuances

1095
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:53,180
that you understand now.
So really break it down for me.

1096
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:56,000
Why do people say don't smile to
Christmas and why do you

1097
00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:57,070
actually not think it's a good
idea.

1098
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,390
So the the.
Whole point of Don't start,

1099
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,620
smile till Christmas is,
especially if you're a new

1100
00:42:00,630 --> 00:42:03,320
teacher, you are brand new face,
you're probably quite young.

1101
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:07,480
You, like we said earlier, you
know kids can sniff that out.

1102
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:09,940
They can sniff out someone with
less confidence, who's newer,

1103
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:12,720
who's younger and there are some
children who try and take

1104
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:14,910
advantage of that.
The whole point of not smiling

1105
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,720
until Christmas is that your
entire focus during that first

1106
00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:23,240
two terms should be to drill the
children into their ways of

1107
00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:25,040
behaving.
That's unacceptable.

1108
00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:27,240
I'm not a person here.
I'm a vessel for your learning.

1109
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:29,930
I demand your respect.
I'm not miss blah blah blah.

1110
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:33,890
I am teacher at your school.
Do your work and and there's no

1111
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,030
there's no chance for any kind
of distraction because what your

1112
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,590
number one priority should be is
the children behaving in a

1113
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:41,460
certain way.
The children doing their work to

1114
00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:43,570
the best of their ability.
No, no I'm not your friend.

1115
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,870
I'm not happy.
I'm not.

1116
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,050
I'm not.
I think that's harmful because

1117
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:50,980
I've always found that I've I
get way more out of children if

1118
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:53,950
they enjoy being in school.
That's how I find it and look

1119
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:58,130
doing it that way can open up
problems of what we've talked

1120
00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:00,870
about hypocrisy.
How far is too far?

1121
00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:03,090
That's not easy to get right as
a student teacher.

1122
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:05,530
And that's why I think people
saying that student teachers

1123
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,090
aren't always being horrible.
They're trying to help them.

1124
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:10,130
Yeah, because they're saying
take that, the equation then

1125
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:12,750
yeah, you know, at first just
concentrating them, learning the

1126
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,810
curriculum, getting really good
behaviour techniques, doing the

1127
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:18,010
right thing and then slowly
build a relationship with the

1128
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:19,960
children.
I suppose if you're a newbie

1129
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:22,880
who's worried about behaviour
management, maybe you'd want to

1130
00:43:22,890 --> 00:43:25,950
water it down at 1st and just
really focus on them behaving

1131
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,920
the right way showing them.
That actually, you're not.

1132
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:29,320
You're not a pushover, you're
not a walkover.

1133
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:31,630
Just cause you're not
inexperienced older teacher, but

1134
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,930
I think.
You can do that with smiling.

1135
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:35,110
Yeah.
So I think the the way that that

1136
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,990
I said is it's way too extreme
for me.

1137
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,550
Yeah.
I think you have to have really

1138
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,040
high standards in September.
Even now when I start, really

1139
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:43,610
high standards do not accept
anything less than the top

1140
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:45,860
standard of what you expect.
But do you know what?

1141
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:48,050
When the kids are doing that
mask off.

1142
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:49,680
I'm happy, teacher.
I missed the price.

1143
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:51,060
What a brilliant time we're
going to have.

1144
00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:52,670
Yeah.
Is this you are doing fantastic.

1145
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,430
That's fantastic work.
Well done.

1146
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,550
Amazing city.
I love this class when they work

1147
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,410
so hard.
Excuse.

1148
00:43:58,420 --> 00:44:00,540
No, no, we don't do that here.
Excuse me.

1149
00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:02,350
You've got to do your work.
Yeah.

1150
00:44:02,420 --> 00:44:04,510
Look at everyone else.
Look how amazing they're doing.

1151
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,980
You've got to do your work.
OK, What?

1152
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:06,340
What?
You're.

1153
00:44:06,350 --> 00:44:08,380
Saying to me is and I do this as
well.

1154
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:10,910
I feel like I've gone on that
journey as well is when I was in

1155
00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:14,940
Egypt, I I never drew a line,
sure.

1156
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:16,690
I didn't.
Have a line?

1157
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:18,080
Yeah.
I just kind of was doing what I

1158
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:20,560
thought was alright.
Yeah, further down the line,

1159
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:22,610
sorry.
Using lots of liner slip further

1160
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:25,710
down the line.
We on this journey, we're on the

1161
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:28,430
central line now for this
journey.

1162
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,290
I think I'm confident to say
that I will have I build nice

1163
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,330
relationships with my kids.
I smile from day one, sure, but

1164
00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:39,420
I make it so abundantly clear to
them there is a line and it's

1165
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:41,430
right here.
Here is the line.

1166
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,130
If you cross it, that behave is
completely unacceptable and you

1167
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:46,970
will not see the nice happy side
of me on this side.

1168
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:48,530
You will so stay on this side of
the line.

1169
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:49,850
There's an equity.
I didn't do that.

1170
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:52,150
I was just like, I just need
them to love me.

1171
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,590
Yeah.
And that that's, that is, I

1172
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,650
think, why It's a very
simplistic phrase and I think.

1173
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:59,590
It it is coming from a place of
good, like it's coming from a

1174
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,370
place of trying to help people.
I think what I would say to an

1175
00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:05,700
ECT is have incredibly high
standards and when your children

1176
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:09,350
are meeting that, praise them,
make them happy, be happy, be

1177
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,340
fun, that's that's fine, but
don't waver.

1178
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:13,650
Maybe this is what I'd add to
this.

1179
00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:15,510
Then.
Now, don't waver on that line.

1180
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,510
Don't waver on expectation.
Don't let one kid dip below it

1181
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,850
when you know they're capable of
being above that line.

1182
00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:25,020
Yeah, because that is how you're
gonna build respect and

1183
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:26,670
consistency.
Someone can't get away of

1184
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,670
something.
Someone else does.

1185
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,560
Yeah, of course I know people
are listening.

1186
00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:30,970
Well, what about all of these
needs?

1187
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:32,710
And it's of course that's
different.

1188
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,270
I'm talking about when Very
generic.

1189
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,820
Yeah, of course when you know,
don't drop below that line.

1190
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:40,240
What's your next?
One nice next one is a bit of a

1191
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:43,070
short one really, but just bear
in mind I wish I knew that.

1192
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,690
I I guess I learned this, but as
you've become one.

1193
00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:49,990
Yeah, as I've become. 1 The
teachers, on average and I'm

1194
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,810
being really careful with my
words here, are just a bit more

1195
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:54,750
resentful.
That's just true, yeah.

1196
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,360
Of.
The job?

1197
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,230
Yeah, of course.
Education.

1198
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,430
If you listen to this podcast,
you've heard us moan about

1199
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,370
certain things.
We tried to be positive, but we

1200
00:46:00,380 --> 00:46:02,890
also not afraid to talk about
the the crap things.

1201
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:05,750
All the teachers are generally
more resentful, a bit more

1202
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,050
bitter about the job.
So what do you say to an CCTV

1203
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:12,470
through the wrong just don't let
it impact you too much.

1204
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,920
Be your own person.
So how?

1205
00:46:15,010 --> 00:46:16,460
What's the practicality of this
then?

1206
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:19,080
Because let's say you know, I'm
gonna defend these resentful

1207
00:46:19,090 --> 00:46:21,240
teachers cause it's as I suppose
what we're talking about now,

1208
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:23,660
you know, there there resentful
because they've lived through it

1209
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:25,590
and they can see what's
pointless and they can see

1210
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,440
what's stupid about this job and
they can see what you know.

1211
00:46:28,490 --> 00:46:30,940
Why is that not a good thing
then for any ECT to go?

1212
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:33,400
Ohh well I can fast track my
understanding and kind of get

1213
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:34,950
that there's no point me doing
this or that.

1214
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:38,360
What are you saying then an ECT
should ignore?

1215
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:39,600
What should they still be able
to do?

1216
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,750
I'm saying.
Right.

1217
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,670
OK, so you are.
You're probably as an easy T way

1218
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,250
more passionate than most
members of staff at your school.

1219
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:48,490
Almost.
Certainly, probably, yeah.

1220
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:49,530
Right.
You know, not everyone, but

1221
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:52,710
most, most C are extremely
passionate and they will want to

1222
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,740
put that extra time in.
And the resentful teachers will

1223
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:57,610
be saying don't do that.
You're wasting your time.

1224
00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:58,710
Don't do that.
No, don't do that.

1225
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,210
Because then don't do that.
Don't do this.

1226
00:47:00,260 --> 00:47:01,610
Do you know what I mean?
Like, there's that.

1227
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:03,630
You've got to kind of ignore it.
Because you know what if you

1228
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,640
want to do what we did.
And so we can't be hypocrites

1229
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:09,520
here and we spent our first
couple of years teaching, living

1230
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:11,820
and breathing that job.
Our life was in a different

1231
00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:13,700
place than we were very very
different people.

1232
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:16,050
And if you're an act that's
young, you're you might be in a

1233
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:19,420
similar situation where you want
to plough a couple of hours in

1234
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:21,580
the evening to be to making this
funny PowerPoint.

1235
00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:24,560
There's going to be a sweet game
on Friday, Friday, maths lesson

1236
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:26,500
and the other teacher.
But I don't do that waste of

1237
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:27,610
time.
We'll just we'll just get one of

1238
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:29,140
you making me look.
Bad, don't you know?

1239
00:47:29,290 --> 00:47:30,660
Yeah, yeah, that's the worst
one.

1240
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:32,840
You've gotta kind of be like,
haha, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1241
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:34,700
But also, don't let it impact
you too much.

1242
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:37,260
If you want to do that thing, do
that thing.

1243
00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:39,100
Do you know what?
The kids will enjoy it.

1244
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,350
And if you enjoy it as well,
what is the harm?

1245
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,910
That might change over the
years?

1246
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:45,090
It changed for us.
Yeah, that's fine.

1247
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:48,210
But I'm not gonna sit here and
say like, as if I could talk to

1248
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:50,830
our past selves and be like,
don't do any of that stuff, I

1249
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,090
wouldn't change.
It yeah, I.

1250
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,550
Enjoyed it at the time.
I loved it.

1251
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,850
I had the time to do it and I
loved the doing it and it

1252
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:57,610
enriched a lot of the kids
experiences.

1253
00:47:57,820 --> 00:48:00,440
I'm not gonna do it now.
I'm not doing.

1254
00:48:00,450 --> 00:48:03,470
It now I won't completely
because my life very different

1255
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,360
now.
Yeah.

1256
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,020
So yeah, just bear that in mind.
I think new teachers, it can be

1257
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:08,660
quite overbearing sometimes
especially if you go into a

1258
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:11,260
school with lots of older
teachers taking and kind of

1259
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:13,140
force it down your throat.
Be like no, don't do any of this

1260
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:15,930
fun stuff.
I'm I'm kind of gonna lead on to

1261
00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:18,570
that of my point but I'm gonna
add to yours really quickly I

1262
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:21,980
would say as someone who's been
in the school with CTS having

1263
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:25,520
been one, having been in the
school where more experienced

1264
00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:28,980
and seen ECT's come through.
I want to add to that and say

1265
00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:32,630
that as an ECT don't think that
you're automatically worse than

1266
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,010
everyone else.
I've seen ECT's come in and been

1267
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:38,240
top top five teachers in the
school.

1268
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,350
Yeah, immediately and and
because they're so.

1269
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Bashing us every year.
But what I mean is it it's not a

1270
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:47,540
simple case of the more you've
been teaching the better you

1271
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:48,960
are.
It doesn't work like that.

1272
00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:51,530
And and people might not like
hearing this with their

1273
00:48:51,540 --> 00:48:53,490
experienced teachers.
Yeah, you've got, you've got

1274
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:54,680
better at different things,
right?

1275
00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:55,220
Yeah.
But.

1276
00:48:55,230 --> 00:48:58,160
But you know, just because
you're an ECT doesn't mean that

1277
00:48:58,330 --> 00:49:00,550
everything everyone says who's
older than you are more

1278
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,440
experienced is necessarily true
or necessarily better.

1279
00:49:03,850 --> 00:49:06,600
I would say personally, you
could probably pick some.

1280
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:10,340
You could pick out a week from
my NQT year and a random week

1281
00:49:10,350 --> 00:49:13,350
from me, six years in, and it
could well be that my weakening

1282
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,500
Peter was better.
Yeah, yeah, for for various

1283
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:16,140
reasons.
It's quite.

1284
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:18,720
Likely, yeah, yeah, completely.
For a different reason yeah put

1285
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:22,020
more time in like you know the
the week for me six years in

1286
00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:24,580
might be better because I know
the curriculum so much better.

1287
00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:27,080
I'm really strict like I really
know my behaviour management now

1288
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:29,980
but they'll they'll be aspects
of my NQT ECT year.

1289
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:32,120
If you're a newbie, if you're
not in schools all of this just

1290
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:36,320
means new teacher and which is
better for a number of reasons.

1291
00:49:36,330 --> 00:49:39,530
So you know just do you've just
trained you've just trained.

1292
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:41,560
We'll talk about in a minute,
but you know, you know what

1293
00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:43,770
you're doing, you've qualified.
You are a teacher.

1294
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:44,940
Yeah, go with.
It just do it.

1295
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:46,480
Complacency is a killer.
Hmm.

1296
00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:48,260
It really is.
And and I remember thinking,

1297
00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:49,620
I'll never be complacent.
I am.

1298
00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:52,240
I am complacent already.
I'm at that point where I know

1299
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:53,260
it works now.
Hmm.

1300
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:55,720
And and I do find it harder to
bring on new ideas or even go

1301
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:56,970
out of my way to look for new
ideas.

1302
00:49:56,980 --> 00:49:58,190
I'm like, oh, I know what works
for me.

1303
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Yeah.
So I I wanted to mention that

1304
00:49:59,930 --> 00:50:02,400
because my next point it it kind
of goes against that.

1305
00:50:02,410 --> 00:50:05,940
But it's more like as you learn
and I think what's really

1306
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:08,940
important is, you know, we've
just talked about how you must

1307
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:13,360
do you basically right.
But I think the way that you can

1308
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:17,360
do that healthily is to really
have clear boundaries in your

1309
00:50:17,370 --> 00:50:22,300
own life, learn to say no to
something when it directly

1310
00:50:22,310 --> 00:50:24,420
impacts what you do outside of
school.

1311
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:26,780
Teaching is a job.
You can be really passionate

1312
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:28,000
about it.
You can want to do the extra

1313
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:29,820
playing on a Friday night,
amazing.

1314
00:50:29,830 --> 00:50:32,540
But you know what If you have a
yoga class booked at half four

1315
00:50:32,550 --> 00:50:35,940
on a Tuesday and your school
come to you and say, ohh

1316
00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:37,720
tomorrow I'll be really good if
you can just get this done.

1317
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:39,560
Can you stay late and get that
done for me?

1318
00:50:39,690 --> 00:50:43,670
It's OK to say no in your, you
know, and if the school judge

1319
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,960
you for that, then that's on the
school.

1320
00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:48,340
But you don't have to shift your
life for this if part of your

1321
00:50:48,350 --> 00:50:51,020
life is you want to do that
crack on.

1322
00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:53,860
But if you've got something else
and you think to yourself, oh,

1323
00:50:54,070 --> 00:50:55,950
but I am new at this school and
I do really want to have a

1324
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,240
really good impression and, you
know, I guess I'll just have to

1325
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:59,960
leave that for this week.
You don't.

1326
00:50:59,970 --> 00:51:02,020
You can, you can still do what
you do.

1327
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:03,980
You need to have to make a good
impression as well.

1328
00:51:04,090 --> 00:51:07,960
So I've, I've met a lot of
teachers over my time who I

1329
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:09,710
would say fall into that
category of they're quite

1330
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,050
confident to say no.
But do you know what I think

1331
00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:15,370
within that category, there's
quite a big scope of teachers

1332
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:18,230
who are kind of just rude about
it and actually do then make a

1333
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,420
bad impression.
And they are generally like all

1334
00:51:20,430 --> 00:51:21,660
that does.
That teacher was most.

1335
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:23,190
And there are other teachers
who.

1336
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,370
Yeah.
And there are other teachers who

1337
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,090
who are able to say no to things
who are like still like really

1338
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,470
well, well respected.
And it doesn't have a negative

1339
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,310
impact at all.
And it has made me think there

1340
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,060
is a way of doing it though.
I mean, like, I think, yeah,

1341
00:51:35,070 --> 00:51:38,060
let's take that exact example.
You've booked a yoga thing at

1342
00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:40,910
half four next Tuesday.
No one else knows about this but

1343
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,180
you.
But that's fine cause you're

1344
00:51:42,190 --> 00:51:43,460
thinking was not my director
time.

1345
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:45,370
I'll just get my marking done in
the morning if I need to go home

1346
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:47,690
early or whatever.
Yeah and and someone comes up to

1347
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,160
you and says ohh you know SLT
maybe you got a good

1348
00:51:50,170 --> 00:51:52,860
relationship with really really
need this thing for.

1349
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:55,010
I'm so sorry it's late and I
should have told you last week,

1350
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:56,830
but it's we've got to get this
done for tomorrow.

1351
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:59,400
You could say no, I'm not doing
that.

1352
00:51:59,450 --> 00:52:02,660
And you could be quite abrupt
and maybe come across like in a

1353
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:04,460
certain way to explain it.
I'm saying no.

1354
00:52:04,510 --> 00:52:06,360
Yeah, I'm saying no, no, sorry.
My director is not.

1355
00:52:06,370 --> 00:52:07,980
I'm not directed time.
I'm going home.

1356
00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:11,180
Or you could also just explain
we're like, Oh no, I would love

1357
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:12,450
to do this.
I'm really sorry I can't help

1358
00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:13,840
you out.
I've got this thing booked and I

1359
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:16,220
don't want.
I know I can't miss it or I

1360
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:17,200
don't want.
Is there another way?

1361
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:19,380
You know, maybe you can have a
look at this tonight and I'll

1362
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:20,830
and I'll get in.
I'll come in 5 minutes early in

1363
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,010
the morning.
Just have a quick look over the

1364
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:23,740
morning.
I think there's just a way you

1365
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:28,410
can say no that doesn't impact
the impression that you give to

1366
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:29,930
SLT.
And I think that and and I wanna

1367
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:31,430
say that because I was scared of
that.

1368
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,630
Yeah, the impression meant a lot
to me and it still does.

1369
00:52:33,980 --> 00:52:38,120
But I can definitely say no more
now and not, you know, not

1370
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:41,540
saying in a way I'm just.
Finishing school, you know, nice

1371
00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:44,120
way and I think, yeah, having a
good relationship with your SLT

1372
00:52:44,130 --> 00:52:46,870
helps in that.
And again if you're doing it in

1373
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,150
that respectful way and still
getting pushed back from Lt, it

1374
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,700
is a red flag and it's you know,
you're not the problem.

1375
00:52:51,770 --> 00:52:53,290
You are not the problem in that
situation.

1376
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,150
I don't want anyone new to
think, oh, it's because I didn't

1377
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,490
cancel my, you know, my my thing
that I did at half, it's not,

1378
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,440
it's because the the school in
that case are wrong and there

1379
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:04,140
should be a workaround.
And if someone's giving you a

1380
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:07,310
job that has to be done the day
after, that's their problem.

1381
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:08,870
Hmm.
It's not your problem.

1382
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,930
So please don't think it is.
That's that's what I say to

1383
00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:11,430
people.
Yeah.

1384
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,830
Nice next tip.
So this one bit of wisdom for

1385
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,590
you.
I'd like to like to pretend it's

1386
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,490
from me, but really it's just
from all the lessons that I

1387
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,830
learned over the years of being,
you know, having older teachers

1388
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,900
talk to me, teach good teaching
practise is for anyone.

1389
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:25,500
Who's listening?
Hayden did inverted commas

1390
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:28,050
there.
Yeah, good, good teaching.

1391
00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:30,600
Practise that phrase there.
It's like fashion.

1392
00:53:30,610 --> 00:53:32,630
Treat it like fashion.
Genuine looks good?

1393
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,540
Yeah, it looks really good.
No, things go out of fashion and

1394
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:36,780
they come back in fashion as
well.

1395
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:39,200
And I guarantee if you have been
training you probably already

1396
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:40,410
heard this from one of the older
teachers.

1397
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,420
Ohh I remember they all come
back around.

1398
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:45,010
I we used to do this thing 20
years ago until it was the not

1399
00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:47,090
not the cool thing to do anymore
and I always used to track.

1400
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,260
I didn't really pay attention
when teacher said when you're.

1401
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:50,640
A new teacher.
You think you're a you're a

1402
00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:51,670
dogs.
Hmm, don't you?

1403
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,870
You think I've just trained.
I've got the best up-to-date

1404
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,560
knowledge.
What do you say to an inky tears

1405
00:53:55,570 --> 00:53:56,610
thinking that I said.
You know.

1406
00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:58,750
What the chances are a lot of
the new research is really good,

1407
00:53:59,490 --> 00:54:02,620
but I tell you what, there's a
lot of old stuff as well that is

1408
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:05,570
equally good and for some reason
for whatever, I don't know why

1409
00:54:05,580 --> 00:54:07,580
this happens, but some things
get pushed down and said we

1410
00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:08,680
don't do things like that
anymore.

1411
00:54:08,690 --> 00:54:10,780
Maybe a new government comes in
and they've got their own

1412
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:12,560
prerogative.
They got their own research

1413
00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:15,710
again, inverted commas there and
they said no, no, this is the

1414
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:17,000
way.
Now actually we have to teach

1415
00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:18,620
maths in this way and everything
else is terrible.

1416
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:20,120
Well, the classic.
One I'm gonna come to very

1417
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:23,750
quickly for anyone to hold on to
is we used to teach maths where

1418
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,760
we do addition and subtraction 3
* a year by actually it's called

1419
00:54:26,770 --> 00:54:27,900
spiral because you come back to
it.

1420
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:29,940
Yeah, we come back to
multiplication before Christmas,

1421
00:54:29,950 --> 00:54:33,490
after Christmas, all summer, and
now very much it's it's accepted

1422
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,410
that you just do all of addition
at once, all of multiplication

1423
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:37,650
once.
It's called block teaching.

1424
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:40,650
So that's changed.
And you know, did I, as someone

1425
00:54:40,660 --> 00:54:42,810
who did the spiral curriculum,
did I not learn maths?

1426
00:54:42,820 --> 00:54:45,530
Of course I learn maths well
because I had a good teacher.

1427
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,100
Yeah.
So that's kind of point you're

1428
00:54:47,110 --> 00:54:47,840
making.
So it's a really.

1429
00:54:47,850 --> 00:54:49,950
Good point.
And when I was an ET, when the

1430
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,410
when the new national curriculum
was coming in and it was all

1431
00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:55,570
about mastery and the block
teaching, I was very much like

1432
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:57,760
spiral teaching.
Absolutely terrible.

1433
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:59,250
You're an awful teacher if you
do that.

1434
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:01,950
It's so being proven cause I've
just trained, we've learned that

1435
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,850
that is a terrible way to do it
And other teachers who sort of

1436
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:07,300
roll their eyes like yeah right,
give it 20 years that will be

1437
00:55:07,310 --> 00:55:10,130
the way to do it again.
But it is true kind of spiral

1438
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:11,870
now where?
It's like, what the problem with

1439
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,140
block teaching?
Again, I'm gonna be really

1440
00:55:13,150 --> 00:55:15,310
specific to give you points.
If you're listening, the problem

1441
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,800
with block teaching was that you
don't do additional subtraction

1442
00:55:17,810 --> 00:55:21,040
again if you just follow block.
You don't do it after October.

1443
00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:22,460
Yeah, for the rest of the school
year.

1444
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:25,760
And that's obviously also mad.
So yeah, we go back and do

1445
00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:27,920
starters and practise it
throughout the year.

1446
00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:30,780
So we basically spiral.
Yeah, we we put the spiral them

1447
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:32,900
in our starters.
Yeah, anyway, but yeah, just

1448
00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:35,480
just bear that in mind.
Teaching practises like fashion,

1449
00:55:35,550 --> 00:55:38,760
try not to take everything as
gospel just cause you learned, I

1450
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:40,880
tell you what, in five years
when you're suddenly not the ACT

1451
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:43,250
and a new ETF's are coming in
and saying, oh actually no, this

1452
00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:45,260
is the best way to do it, you're
gonna be thinking, That's weird

1453
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:47,480
because five years ago I learned
this thing and it's all worked

1454
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:49,730
really well since then and it's
out of fashion now.

1455
00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:52,020
There's new ways to do it, so
just take it all with a bit of a

1456
00:55:52,030 --> 00:55:54,060
pinch of salt.
Try not to get too personally

1457
00:55:54,070 --> 00:55:55,830
involved in the pedagogy and
stuff like it.

1458
00:55:55,930 --> 00:55:58,060
It's all good.
It's what you make of it really

1459
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:59,920
that makes a difference.
Nice.

1460
00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:01,700
Cool.
Well, my point I suppose.

1461
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:04,710
Again I'm I'm kind of I've got a
bit of a theme here where if

1462
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:06,630
anyone listens to the podcast
every week might be thinking who

1463
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,190
is this guy but but the again
what I'm saying is this is for

1464
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,450
someone who's just finishing
their training.

1465
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:15,750
This is for someone who still
has that umph because why would

1466
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,840
you be doing otherwise You must
really want to be a teacher.

1467
00:56:17,850 --> 00:56:18,860
You're really passionate about
it.

1468
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:20,630
You're really excited about
starting your job and do you

1469
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,290
know what guys it is the best
job.

1470
00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:24,150
It is the best job when you're
with the children.

1471
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,050
So what I would say to someone
starting their ACT journey is

1472
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,910
throw yourself into it at first
when whilst you've got the time,

1473
00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:32,870
OK.
If you're like Aiden anywhere,

1474
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,990
you're a young professional.
We were 22 when we started

1475
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,170
teaching.
No family of our own lived at

1476
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:38,910
home.
You know, all of those

1477
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,690
situations, yeah, yeah.
But that situation allowed us to

1478
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,910
really throw ourselves into the,
into the, into the job.

1479
00:56:45,980 --> 00:56:48,390
And what I would say to everyone
is throw yourself into the extra

1480
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,210
curricular stuff, throw yourself
into the trips, go on them, you

1481
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:54,990
know, if you got a weak
residential and you can go, go

1482
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,830
experience it.
It's amazing.

1483
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,950
Seeing the children in a
different context and learning

1484
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,070
that's what you're passionate.
That's what I love to see.

1485
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,380
Yeah, children doing their best,
trying things out for the first

1486
00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:07,070
time.
And you're there helping them do

1487
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,160
that and looking after them.
Throw yourselves into it because

1488
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:12,680
you can.
Over the years, you know, if

1489
00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:15,180
you've tried it, you can at
least say, well, I've done it, I

1490
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:17,120
loved it.
But now, at this point in my

1491
00:57:17,130 --> 00:57:20,200
life, actually, I've got other
priorities and I can't go now.

1492
00:57:20,490 --> 00:57:22,880
But do you know what?
I don't think anyone would ever

1493
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:25,880
regret doing it.
You'd only regret not ever

1494
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:27,570
trying it.
And I would say to people, you

1495
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:30,630
know, run that football club, do
that club at lunchtime with

1496
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,020
those kids who are really
passionate about origami.

1497
00:57:33,090 --> 00:57:35,150
So you say to them, when you
come back 15 minutes, we'll do

1498
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,570
some origami at lunchtime.
Yeah.

1499
00:57:36,580 --> 00:57:38,660
Or, you know, if you get asked
to go on that school trip and

1500
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:41,690
you can go in that school trip.
My point here is throw yourself

1501
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:44,350
into the profession because then
you can draw yourself back as

1502
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:44,830
well.
Yeah.

1503
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,090
And if there's something you
don't want to try, fine.

1504
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,450
We've already said learn to say
no.

1505
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,360
But there's something you do
want to try.

1506
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,170
Don't listen to people like us
who are like, I'm not doing.

1507
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:55,210
It's like, that's fine, that's
completely fine.

1508
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,390
But if you are passionate and
you want to, and you want to

1509
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,030
experience these things about
what's amazing about school,

1510
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,050
because objectively, going on
trips is really fun, it's

1511
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:04,940
tiring.
It's not a holiday.

1512
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:07,580
It's a big part of the job that
we should be compensated for.

1513
00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:10,280
But guess what?
If you wanna do it, go and do

1514
00:58:10,290 --> 00:58:11,360
it.
Try out.

1515
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:12,480
Yeah.
Great tip.

1516
00:58:12,490 --> 00:58:13,360
You got me there.
I'm.

1517
00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:15,270
Gripped.
I'm I'm, I'm going now.

1518
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,160
We've done it.
Eight years.

1519
00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:18,380
I'm trying.
Yeah, no, I was trying to think

1520
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:20,480
if there's nothing.
To add to that, I just, I really

1521
00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:23,660
do agree and I don't regret it.
You you said people won't regret

1522
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:24,720
it.
Actually I was thinking no, I

1523
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:26,900
don't regret it.
I don't regret going to watch

1524
00:58:27,530 --> 00:58:30,520
the football team from my class
at another school after school

1525
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:31,630
one day cause little
competition.

1526
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,900
I don't regret driving into that
school and just go in and

1527
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:35,400
supporting them.
That wasn't the coach.

1528
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:36,930
I just wanted to go and watch.
And they loved it.

1529
00:58:36,940 --> 00:58:38,950
They don't.
When they saw my base there as

1530
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,680
their teacher, they were like,
ohh, yeah, motivated.

1531
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:43,160
We gotta win.
Like our teachers come all this

1532
00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:45,500
way to see us.
Like I haven't done that Once

1533
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:46,900
you put that relationship.
Yeah.

1534
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:48,650
Yeah.
But we haven't.

1535
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:50,250
Done that in a while, but maybe
you could address that.

1536
00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:52,300
Now like, yeah, we're not being
hypocritical.

1537
00:58:52,310 --> 00:58:54,770
I don't think you explain what
is the difference, Just do you

1538
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:56,120
know what?
Cause I've got a child now.

1539
00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:57,700
Hmm.
Honestly, that's the biggest

1540
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:59,140
thing.
It's like I do actually want to

1541
00:58:59,150 --> 00:59:02,430
go home and spend time with my
my, my actual own child.

1542
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:04,460
And I've got a house to the car.
I lived with my mum at this

1543
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:05,980
time.
I've got a house look after now.

1544
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:07,730
I've got a relationship with my
partner.

1545
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:09,770
We cook dinner, which sounds
ridiculous, but those those

1546
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:11,390
things.
Do get in the way and it is OK.

1547
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,860
To say no and not do things
anymore.

1548
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:14,310
But I'm glad I did it when I
could.

1549
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,080
Sure.
And I'm glad I didn't listen to

1550
00:59:16,090 --> 00:59:18,780
all the people who were, you
know, saying there were maybe a

1551
00:59:18,790 --> 00:59:20,930
bit by that point who would
never do it and were like, no,

1552
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:22,310
don't do that.
I want you to get your marking

1553
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,250
and go home, go and enjoy your
evening.

1554
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,440
To me, that was enjoy my
evening.

1555
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:27,860
Yeah.
Because I want to watch my kids

1556
00:59:28,380 --> 00:59:29,690
bedroom not doing anything
otherwise.

1557
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:31,690
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, just do it, throw

1558
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:33,610
yourself into it.
And then like Dylan said,

1559
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:34,970
drawback.
If you don't like it, don't do

1560
00:59:34,980 --> 00:59:36,640
it.
Ohh simple once you've

1561
00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:38,240
experienced it.
And what's your last tip?

1562
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:40,000
Yeah, no Wanna bring.
Brand to teaching a bit more

1563
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:41,890
cause a lot.
Of this is kind of like Metairie

1564
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:45,580
kind of generic stuff tech use
it.

1565
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:48,190
Honestly.
Like the kids grow up with tech

1566
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,500
now they have done for the last
like 10-15 years.

1567
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:52,740
It's so commonplace.
Hayden kids shouldn't have

1568
00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:53,760
screen time.
Ever.

1569
00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:54,990
Whatever.
Honestly.

1570
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,740
Yeah.
Have you seen?

1571
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:57,300
Your smart board.
It's a massive screen.

1572
00:59:57,310 --> 01:00:00,180
Let's get over it.
Just use it.

1573
01:00:00,230 --> 01:00:02,900
Let's make a difference between
the algorithm.

1574
01:00:02,910 --> 01:00:05,920
And social media.
And like smartphones and tech in

1575
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:07,560
general, tech is really
positive.

1576
01:00:07,850 --> 01:00:09,380
I'm talking right It did this
experiment.

1577
01:00:09,390 --> 01:00:12,180
If you want, it's quite fine.
We've definitely done it.

1578
01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:15,290
Film yourself teaching your
input right, just as you would

1579
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:18,730
Do it right and put it on your
screen as a video and watch how

1580
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:21,190
unbelievably engage your
children are first is if you

1581
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,810
just did that input live in
front of them.

1582
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:24,630
It is mad.
I don't know why.

1583
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,780
I'm sure there's a whole study
out there that shows psychology.

1584
01:00:26,790 --> 01:00:28,970
You're suddenly a YouTuber.
You know, you know.

1585
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:30,130
Video Yeah.
Why kids?

1586
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:31,410
But we don't.
Have we done then?

1587
01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:33,610
Because we were in our.
Probably anxiety or maybe one

1588
01:00:33,620 --> 01:00:36,030
year after year it was.
Give an example what we did back

1589
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,950
in the day.
I didn't like.

1590
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,880
We wanted to make a.
Maths lesson really engaging and

1591
01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:40,910
I went round his house and we
filmed just on our phone.

1592
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,610
We filmed a bunch of word
problems, fractions fractions,

1593
01:00:44,620 --> 01:00:46,130
but we did it in real life
context.

1594
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:47,510
The one that always jumps out to
me.

1595
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,620
What a few of them.
First one we did a he was

1596
01:00:49,630 --> 01:00:51,640
playing Mario Cart.
The the Mario Odyssey.

1597
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:52,870
Mario Odyssey what?
Collecting.

1598
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,060
Collecting coins.
Switch.

1599
01:00:54,070 --> 01:00:54,950
Switch.
Which was fairly.

1600
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,080
New At that point, you had a
Nintendo.

1601
01:00:56,090 --> 01:00:57,910
Switch it.
Just come out to the lads, a lot

1602
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,690
of lads, some of the girls.
Obviously, but a lot of the

1603
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,390
lads, yeah, it was great and as
you were going through it had.

1604
01:01:02,430 --> 01:01:05,860
Like how many coins you've
collected, and we used that as a

1605
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:07,560
fraction.
It was like collected 27 out of

1606
01:01:07,570 --> 01:01:08,720
50.
How many more do you need to get

1607
01:01:08,730 --> 01:01:10,720
or whatever, What equivalent?
Fractions, the percentage or

1608
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:12,890
whatever it was.
And the next video was with

1609
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,180
baguette.
Dylan cut it into three pieces

1610
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:16,330
and it was like, what?
You know what?

1611
01:01:16,380 --> 01:01:18,370
Give it away this much.
How much does each piece by

1612
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:20,000
stuff like?
That made these tricky word

1613
01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:21,500
problems.
And we just they're just like

1614
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:24,620
22nd videos about five of them.
We made one of like kicking a

1615
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:26,920
football comma we did with it
but it was just it was just fun

1616
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:30,680
and we had the time to do it and
and the kids absolutely loved

1617
01:01:30,690 --> 01:01:31,950
it.
They got so much out of that

1618
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,970
lesson and they were dying to
solve the problems and we drew

1619
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:37,760
all of the great mass learning
out of it and they achieved

1620
01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:41,320
really, really well and and yeah
I think we've we've done.

1621
01:01:41,330 --> 01:01:42,440
I'm trying to think what we've
done.

1622
01:01:42,450 --> 01:01:44,920
You did a video on advert just
like verbs and adverbs.

1623
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:46,400
Yeah.
I'd filmed myself moving.

1624
01:01:46,550 --> 01:01:48,290
Yeah.
And you, you can teach stuff

1625
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:49,920
with this.
Like we were engaged the

1626
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:51,400
children without them knowing
their learning.

1627
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:54,170
That's what I find really
amazing because I'd I'd filmed

1628
01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:57,070
various staff moving in certain
ways and I'd simply say to the

1629
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,370
children how they moving.
As soon as you're at Howard that

1630
01:02:00,380 --> 01:02:01,870
that's a verb and adverb, isn't
it?

1631
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,370
You can, you can add like
moving, you know, walking slowly

1632
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,280
and I'm like, OK, well, I'm not
walking that slowly.

1633
01:02:06,290 --> 01:02:07,330
How would you actually describe
it?

1634
01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:09,610
And they might say creeping for,
you know, those different ways,

1635
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:11,850
walking verbals or something.
It's got that built-in then.

1636
01:02:11,860 --> 01:02:14,220
And I think what the.
Other point I'd make is that's

1637
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:15,970
an easy win, something we did at
the start of our career.

1638
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:19,200
But we've seen even in the 8910
years we've been teaching, tech

1639
01:02:19,210 --> 01:02:23,270
has moved so much and we've got
the advent now of AI that there

1640
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,290
is so much out there.
Just get yourselves on social

1641
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:27,790
media.
I know there's someone obviously

1642
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,200
Mr Post a lot about AI teacher
using AI, which is someone who

1643
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,350
we have a lot of interaction
with on Instagram.

1644
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,170
He's posting very often about
how teachers can use AI to help

1645
01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:39,450
their planning, but also to
engage the children.

1646
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,300
Yeah, and there's there's
honestly guys, there's an

1647
01:02:41,310 --> 01:02:43,290
endless open book of different
things you can use.

1648
01:02:43,340 --> 01:02:45,630
If you want, let us know.
We'll do a whole podcast episode

1649
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,150
about different techs.
You can use Happy AI, you can

1650
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,890
have things called I think it's
Booklet or Book it or something

1651
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:53,220
like that, where it's just like
an interactive quiz.

1652
01:02:53,230 --> 01:02:54,910
You can log in and use that next
week.

1653
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,110
So yeah, I think.
There's there's lots out there.

1654
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,630
And yeah, don't be afraid to use
them.

1655
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,830
Yeah, it's teachings outdated.
Honestly it's quite outdated,

1656
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,950
like worksheets and writing
books and stuff.

1657
01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:06,980
It is boring and it is quite as
and there's so much out there

1658
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:09,820
now yeah and the more you books
the more you have to sit and.

1659
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:11,810
Mark, which is just ridiculous.
Yeah, yeah, just get on it.

1660
01:03:11,820 --> 01:03:13,140
I mean just one last example.
Right.

1661
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:16,380
Me and Dylan and I have been
making loads of education.

1662
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:18,600
We got a YouTube channel, we've
got like over 200 videos on

1663
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:20,900
there now.
And when the kids in over 11,000

1664
01:03:20,910 --> 01:03:22,800
subscribers.
Ohh right.

1665
01:03:23,050 --> 01:03:25,130
Because when the kids like.
See it?

1666
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,470
They love it.
I've put a video on in my class

1667
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,230
before because you did like an 8
minute video on finding

1668
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,330
fractions of amounts.
Sure, years ago on our channel.

1669
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,310
And I literally thought to
myself, what would be more

1670
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,370
effective, Me reciting that
video because obviously I know

1671
01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:40,530
how to teach it as well.
Or just putting the video on and

1672
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:43,830
the kids were literally glued to
the screen watching you solve

1673
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,320
fractures without questions.
I pause every now and then get

1674
01:03:46,330 --> 01:03:47,980
wiped out.
You have a go at that before he

1675
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:50,780
does it on the screen and just
it's just mad.

1676
01:03:50,790 --> 01:03:55,200
I can't I can't stress how much
how much more kids engage with

1677
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:57,470
with stuff when it's on the
screen or just just taking

1678
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,260
general anyway.
So kids always gonna be that

1679
01:03:59,270 --> 01:04:00,750
way.
Let's take advantage of as.

1680
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,300
A teacher absolutely last point
from me and this is a really big

1681
01:04:03,310 --> 01:04:04,640
point.
I wish someone stressed to me a

1682
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:10,630
lot is how can I put this.
Don't believe the fear mongering

1683
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:14,430
on angry parents, OK?
I I think there's a lot these

1684
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,510
days where people say ohh
parents aren't like they used

1685
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,770
to.
They're always on the kids side.

1686
01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:20,650
They said they should be on the
teachers side.

1687
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:23,530
I'm not saying that's wrong.
I'm not saying it hasn't shifted

1688
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,850
in certain respects.
What I am saying is in my 9

1689
01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:31,150
years of teaching I have very
very rarely interacted with the

1690
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,370
parent who is completely beyond
reasoning with.

1691
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:36,420
Yeah, horribly rude.
Yeah So what?

1692
01:04:36,430 --> 01:04:37,860
I would say straight.
Away 8% of.

1693
01:04:37,870 --> 01:04:41,470
Parents, 95% of parents are
either completely neutral or

1694
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,140
extremely supportive and nice
and really lovely and and always

1695
01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:46,150
listen to what you've got to
say.

1696
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,510
If the child were misbehaving,
it's an easy conversation to

1697
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,160
have with them.
So that's the first thing I'd

1698
01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:52,260
say.
You're always going to get some

1699
01:04:52,270 --> 01:04:55,330
parents and maybe you'll have
more just through luck, like bad

1700
01:04:55,340 --> 01:04:58,210
luck rather that are more tricky
to deal with.

1701
01:04:58,220 --> 01:05:01,690
And as an NQT, what I'd say to
you is in those situations,

1702
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:05,030
write everything down, get
someone with you as quickly as

1703
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,990
possible.
So if you're isolated on the

1704
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,260
playground, an angry parent, try
and get someone close to you.

1705
01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:12,700
If you're dismissing the
children, dismissing at least

1706
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:14,280
twos.
Because we've had this a million

1707
01:05:14,290 --> 01:05:16,280
times where I've had to not step
in.

1708
01:05:16,290 --> 01:05:19,320
I don't interrupt the
conversation, but both people

1709
01:05:19,330 --> 01:05:21,780
know I'm near and I can hear
exactly what's going on.

1710
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:24,100
I can just corroborate a bit
better and that's just the extra

1711
01:05:24,110 --> 01:05:26,210
person there.
So if you find yourself in a

1712
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:29,860
situation with a parent like
that in the moment, trying

1713
01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:32,430
everything written down or
straight after, try and get

1714
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,450
someone to witness it.
And also go straight to your LTM

1715
01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:39,370
and be a whole, you know, have a
joint for in actually doing that

1716
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:40,500
don't try and deal with it
yourself.

1717
01:05:40,510 --> 01:05:43,360
There's no point because yeah,
people can bend what you say and

1718
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:45,900
and you know it can be a whole
nightmare because there are

1719
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:49,260
obviously some parents out there
who will, you know push the boat

1720
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:52,760
out and and are not very you're
not you're not actually their

1721
01:05:52,770 --> 01:05:54,760
servant.
Yeah, you know with public

1722
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:57,100
service, you're not actually
their personal servant where you

1723
01:05:57,110 --> 01:05:58,540
just have to sit there and take
it.

1724
01:05:58,910 --> 01:06:00,730
Like I've not been very
confident with that sort of

1725
01:06:00,740 --> 01:06:02,750
stuff over the years, but I
think I'm more confident now.

1726
01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:05,300
If you are in a dire situation
maybe you are isolated or

1727
01:06:05,310 --> 01:06:08,580
whatever it you can honestly
just say excuse me, sorry,

1728
01:06:08,650 --> 01:06:10,740
you're you're shouting at me and
I'm not gonna have a

1729
01:06:10,750 --> 01:06:12,410
conversation with you when
you're like this like this.

1730
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:14,980
So come and see me in the office
or let's let's book a meeting.

1731
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:17,320
I'm not talking to you now like
you're not gonna lose your job

1732
01:06:17,330 --> 01:06:18,870
over that, you know.
I mean, just by being a bit

1733
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,090
because they might then shower
you even more and you can walk

1734
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:21,770
away.
Yeah.

1735
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:23,310
No, you know you're not gonna
get in trouble.

1736
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,110
Basically don't be don't be
thinking if I don't want to say

1737
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,370
anything to upset this parent
mate.

1738
01:06:27,380 --> 01:06:29,190
They're already shouting at you
screaming at you.

1739
01:06:29,230 --> 01:06:31,110
It doesn't matter at this point.
You just need to diffuse the

1740
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:32,790
situation.
Get away if you're if you're by

1741
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,230
yourself, you know, tell between
your legs crying about it.

1742
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,150
Because that's the worst option.
Yeah, Like.

1743
01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:40,480
And I'm not saying that crying
it would be a bad reaction.

1744
01:06:40,490 --> 01:06:43,520
Some people get really upset by
these bad interactions because

1745
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:45,970
because you put your life on the
line with this job, it's not a

1746
01:06:45,980 --> 01:06:47,940
normal job, will get upset about
it, at least afterwards.

1747
01:06:47,950 --> 01:06:49,860
But what I mean is.
Don't just accept that.

1748
01:06:49,870 --> 01:06:50,940
Don't just.
Think that's OK?

1749
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:52,820
Yeah.
Let's not treat me like not part

1750
01:06:52,830 --> 01:06:54,550
of the job to feel.
That way from, especially if

1751
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,050
they're.
Wrong.

1752
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:56,960
Which the chances are, they're.
Shouting at you.

1753
01:06:56,970 --> 01:06:58,870
They've misunderstood something.
Maybe you have done something

1754
01:06:58,880 --> 01:06:59,940
wrong.
You need to own it and have a

1755
01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:01,650
meeting.
And I'm not saying teachers are

1756
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:02,840
perfect.
They probably have been lots of

1757
01:07:02,850 --> 01:07:04,820
teachers over the years that
have just made a bad decision.

1758
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:06,260
Yeah, it's impacted their
career, whatever.

1759
01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:08,100
But you know what?
The chances are, if you're a new

1760
01:07:08,110 --> 01:07:09,500
teacher, you're trying your
hardest.

1761
01:07:09,630 --> 01:07:11,490
You might have just done
something that unsavoury.

1762
01:07:11,540 --> 01:07:13,360
Yeah.
And a parent didn't like it and

1763
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:14,750
get someone else in the room.
Yeah.

1764
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,870
Get involved and and but but
going back to my original point,

1765
01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:19,150
you know, being on guard for
that.

1766
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,790
But please guys understand that
most parents are so nice.

1767
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,670
I've, I think Hayden and I over
the years have built such nice

1768
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,230
relationships with parents.
We built a tutoring business

1769
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,270
based on our relationship with
parents who who were so had such

1770
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,430
a positive relationship with
them.

1771
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,650
They wanted us to keep teaching
their child and they couldn't.

1772
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,650
So we built our teaching
business around and we did and

1773
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,900
and you know that's one.
I'm not saying you should do it.

1774
01:07:39,980 --> 01:07:41,060
You can build a tutoring
business.

1775
01:07:41,070 --> 01:07:43,880
What I'm saying is, you know you
can put effort in, can't you

1776
01:07:43,890 --> 01:07:45,580
Hayden, to build that?
Yeah, 100%.

1777
01:07:45,590 --> 01:07:47,220
I realise it's a bit of a theme
going.

1778
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:49,880
Through this whole episode,
really, which, you know in in .1

1779
01:07:49,890 --> 01:07:52,200
we talked about building the
right relationship with the

1780
01:07:52,210 --> 01:07:54,220
school, that you're looking
around asking questions in the

1781
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:56,390
right way so you don't give the
wrong impression, but you still

1782
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,980
come across confident.
We've talked about building

1783
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:59,940
relationships with the children
and how that will make a huge

1784
01:07:59,950 --> 01:08:02,080
impact in your world, your
well-being and also the

1785
01:08:02,090 --> 01:08:04,000
experience of the children.
And now we're talking about

1786
01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:05,300
building a relationship with the
parents.

1787
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:08,620
It's all a conscious effort.
You do have to think about it.

1788
01:08:08,790 --> 01:08:11,000
I'm sure some people are just
naturally, you know, some

1789
01:08:11,010 --> 01:08:12,480
teachers that way.
I can think of something just

1790
01:08:12,490 --> 01:08:14,460
naturally, like the nicest
people on the planet.

1791
01:08:14,610 --> 01:08:15,860
But most of us are just
horrible.

1792
01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:16,880
How do you do?
I'm horrible.

1793
01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:19,080
Yeah, most of us just quite.
Normal and we do have to really

1794
01:08:19,090 --> 01:08:19,800
go our.
Ways.

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01:08:19,859 --> 01:08:22,920
So how could our last bit bit
then how can we actually build?

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01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:24,760
What can we do?
What things can we do to build a

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01:08:24,770 --> 01:08:27,640
nice relationship with a parent?
And this this goes with nice

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01:08:27,649 --> 01:08:29,069
relationship with the.
Class, even with your

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,160
colleagues, keep positivity on
them.

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01:08:31,229 --> 01:08:33,290
That that's that's my number one
thing all the time.

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01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,620
If someone deserves praise, give
it to them.

1802
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:36,939
You don't need to make up
praise.

1803
01:08:37,029 --> 01:08:38,630
You don't need to manufacture
it.

1804
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,370
If they've been awful or just
pretend they're nice, that.

1805
01:08:40,380 --> 01:08:41,520
No, no, that's not what I'm
saying.

1806
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,430
But if they're doing the right
thing, heap praise on the

1807
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,260
children.
Yeah, And this goes with the

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01:08:45,270 --> 01:08:47,279
parents as well.
If a child's been amazing that

1809
01:08:47,290 --> 01:08:49,680
day or just gone above and
beyond and and has just, you

1810
01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:52,600
know, wow, you were so nice to
that other child who was upset,

1811
01:08:52,609 --> 01:08:53,779
you know you didn't need to do
that.

1812
01:08:53,790 --> 01:08:55,260
That's nothing to do with
learning today.

1813
01:08:55,270 --> 01:08:57,040
Do you know what?
End of the day, I'm gonna come

1814
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:58,979
and talk to your parents and
tell them how amazing you are.

1815
01:08:59,050 --> 01:09:01,240
I'm gonna send home a
certificate that week with an

1816
01:09:01,250 --> 01:09:03,790
explanation as to why someone
told me when I started teaching

1817
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:04,710
and it stuck with me.
They.

1818
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:10,200
Said, bear this in mind that
most parents will assume that if

1819
01:09:10,210 --> 01:09:12,029
you call them over the end of
the day, that's a negative

1820
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:13,600
thing.
And they were really like they

1821
01:09:13,609 --> 01:09:15,460
trying to say to me, they're
like, let's let's try and change

1822
01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:18,060
that because that's actually not
a good thing and it does show

1823
01:09:18,069 --> 01:09:20,960
that we tend to ignore the good
stuff and we and we pick out bad

1824
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:22,220
behaviour.
Same with kids, you know, we do

1825
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:24,029
it all the time.
We tend not to say anything

1826
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,760
about the kid that's just
perfectly behaved every single

1827
01:09:25,770 --> 01:09:27,810
day, but when the naughty kid
does something good but like,

1828
01:09:27,819 --> 01:09:29,939
wow, well done and then that
other kid is always well

1829
01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:31,510
behaved.
It's the same with parents and I

1830
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,500
think little activity for you.
If you are an ET already, you've

1831
01:09:34,510 --> 01:09:35,990
got a class.
Or if you've maybe got a

1832
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,729
training class, whatever.
Have a little look through the

1833
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:40,370
class list and genuinely try to
think about how many times

1834
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:43,680
you've interacted with their
parents, because you might be

1835
01:09:43,689 --> 01:09:45,970
surprised to realise that
actually 90% your class you've

1836
01:09:45,979 --> 01:09:47,729
either not spoken to their
parents outside of parents

1837
01:09:47,740 --> 01:09:50,870
evening, or maybe you've only
ever spoken to them if it's a

1838
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,870
negative thing and try to go out
of your way, maybe even once.

1839
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,390
Maybe even make it a ritual like
once per week, Every week I'm

1840
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,530
gonna pull up kids parent over
at the play from the playground

1841
01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:00,910
and say something nice about
them.

1842
01:10:00,950 --> 01:10:03,570
It goes such a long way.
And you know what?

1843
01:10:03,630 --> 01:10:07,060
Even one or two parents I found
you do that with, they then tell

1844
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:08,950
all the other parents, Ohh,
isn't that isn't that Mister

1845
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,110
Stevens lovely?
Gee, probably.

1846
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,220
Do you know what he did today on
their social media?

1847
01:10:12,230 --> 01:10:13,250
For another, all the parents
are.

1848
01:10:13,260 --> 01:10:14,800
They've always got something,
haven't they?

1849
01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:17,780
It goes a long way to to
building a nice relationship

1850
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:19,260
with all the parents in the
class.

1851
01:10:19,410 --> 01:10:21,680
So yeah, try that.
Do it this week.

1852
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:24,200
Amazing guys.
That's our tips and that is.

1853
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:26,440
Actually the end of episode now,
we've had a long chat there,

1854
01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:27,860
really hope you found this
useful.

1855
01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:30,880
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1856
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:34,440
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1857
01:10:34,450 --> 01:10:37,580
Can think of the word then and
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1858
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:39,930
you've got this fine you found
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1859
01:10:39,940 --> 01:10:42,390
us yeah we're we're we're
buzzing for some reviews

1860
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:43,790
especially.
On Apple, we've got a bit less

1861
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,110
on there, so if you're great,
we've got a bit.

1862
01:10:48,530 --> 01:10:50,500
Yeah.
So guys, thank you so much.

1863
01:10:50,590 --> 01:10:51,720
We'll see you again next week.
We.

1864
01:10:51,730 --> 01:10:55,120
Have a guest next week.
Ohh see you then.

1865
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:55,770
Bye, bye, bye.