Ep 47: The School Absence Crisis: What Caused It & How Can It Be Fixed?

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Had everyone welcome back to
another episode of Teacher

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Dylan.
Hello from the two Dylans.

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How are you doing?
My name is Aiden actually ohh

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all the new listeners.
We've had lots of new listeners.

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Yeah, really good.
The last episode went down a

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treat.
We should do serious stuff more

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often.
I always remember someone,

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someone just has mentioned how
it's slowly declined from the

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start of the very first episode
about strikes.

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And then we did the episode.
It was after the episode we did

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when Rory came and it was just
completely.

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Mad, yeah.
Yeah, so let's try and get a bit

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of a semblance of order.
So last lesson, last lesson

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last.
Lesson you slipped into,

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teacher.
Mode then right.

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Last session kids were looking
at short multiplication.

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OK, so everyone listening this
No last episode.

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Our best day one and day 2 have
been released an episode.

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So really.
Really.

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We had 10.
Lessons.

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We had ten.
I think it was Rishi and the

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rest of his.
Cabinet.

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From Gillian Keegan.
Up to 10 and your family send me

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when I say stupid stuff.
They count for about 15.

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Don't they also love how you've
not won that T-shirt since you

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got it?
Anyone doesn't know Hayden.

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It's right there so you can grab
it.

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Yeah, there is a T-shirt that my
parents I was acquitted for him.

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Parents, are you listening?
He's not watched it once.

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He's not washed it.
He's not worn it.

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It's just been sat there.
I was gonna wear it today, but

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obviously I forgot Ohh wrong
way.

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Yeah, we are looking the camera.
Also, if you're not watching on

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the camera, I wonder if it
sounds different.

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Because you might notice if you
are watching that me and Dylan

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haven't got our usual
microphones set up here.

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We've got new little pop
Shields.

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Look at us.
Yeah, we feel really

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professional.
Isn't that very professional as

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we sit in your little tiny third
red room in our studio, you

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sorry studio.
But I tell you what, I'm very

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quickly on the studio now.
You do have like sound

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protection things on your walls.
I actually thought they were

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really small showers at one
point.

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But these things?
Yeah, maybe we'll post a picture

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on the Instagram for anyone who
can't see.

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Them little Lego things you can
put on there.

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Like a miniature.
Things, you know, the the the

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boards behind me, they're just
sound boards because it's very

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boxy in here, echoes a.
Lot, and it is a studio, as

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you've been saying.
But anyway, we had a really good

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response to our last episode.
I'm here.

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I've honestly been spending the
last two minutes stalling trying

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to remember what it was about.
I can't remember.

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Absolute fool.
How could you forget all this

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sometimes?
About workload reduction.

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Task Good.
I stalled them so that you can

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remember because I forgot as
well.

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Yeah.
Anyway, I went down a treat.

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We went through all the
different things and just had a

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chat about how teacher workload.
It's all a bit of a facade,

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isn't it?
The word workload until this

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funding.
If you want to know more about

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it, check out last week's a good
one.

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It's a good one.
We talked for a long time.

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It was an extended bumper
episode.

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Anyway, only one thing this week
I want to talk about, because we

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kind of introduced it last week.
Yeah.

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Yeah, you did earlier.
OK, You forgot about that.

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You did.
Go back and listen mate, you

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did.
Hey, how's your week So?

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You know last week when we
mentioned that your class had

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just made-up this forfeit thing
for me, we're losing this

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timetables battle, which of
course did.

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Well.
We've since had the forfeit and

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basically on Tuesday when I was
on duty outside, ohh man your

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your kids were so excited at the
prospect of chasing me.

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I went outside and within 20
seconds I had 25 year fours all

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crowding me, Some of them
grabbing my arms.

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I couldn't get away and I'm
like, ohh, don't do that get off

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me please.
And they're like we give you 3

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seconds Just started counting
like 3.

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I was like I've got run over and
I've gotta run.

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I can't run too fast because if
I pelt it and run into a kid Can

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you imagine?
So I had to do that classic like

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I'm pretending I'm really old
and can't run very fast like ohh

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running and they all called me.
Yeah, that they all caught me

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and it was really sweet.
So then once I once I was like,

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oh, this is annoying, now I even
let go of me.

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I was like, right, well, let's
get Mr. Price, shall we?

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They were like, yeah, like let's
all go to his window and do

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this.
And we put our hands up to our

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noses and we all came to your
window and you.

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Saw my blinds were closed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well then they obviously then
didn't leave me alone again.

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They were let's chase you again.
I was like, no, let's not.

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Let's not chase me again.
Let's do a conga line.

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So I started a conga line and
then all the other kids from the

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playground joined in.
I had about 100 children in the

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end.
And we went back to your class

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and to walk past the all wave at
you and you weren't there

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anymore.
We were just waved.

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Your empty classroom.
Ohh.

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Anyway.
But the overall summary of this

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is isn't it nice when the kids
just it's so stupid.

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There's little thing we did.
It's nothing.

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It's nothing to you.
It was nothing to me and I

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reckon it made some of those
kids days because they were

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just.
So bad about make their week.

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I swear to you every day in
maths they were like, is it

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Tuesday yet?
Like, honestly, they were really

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cool.
And then they were saying to me,

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you're going to chase him.
And I was like, I've got a

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meeting at break.
That's what it's doing.

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My mark.
And watch out the window.

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Yeah, but I did see the conga
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Hilarious.
And then just you had I saw that

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your fires in your 60s.
Yeah, level there.

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So good.
Like a 200 child conga line out

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on the playground.
Yeah, so good.

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So that was kind of the
highlight of my week.

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Yeah, it was one of the
highlights of mine actually.

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Had a couple of things I wanted
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It just really made me.
Laugh.

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I'm sorry.
How's your week, Dan?

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Thank you.
You're never gonna ask.

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There was just one child came up
to me this week.

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It was so good.
And she had like 7 or 8 pieces

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of paper in her hand, not in a
pile.

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Obviously you've been crumbled
up or folding and stuff.

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And she was like like trying to
walk along And they were falling

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out.
She was picking up.

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She Ohh God, Mr. Price, Mr.
Price.

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So she put them down on my desk
and was training through them.

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OK, training for all these
papers looking.

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One minute I can't find your
one.

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And then she gave me a piece of
paper.

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It said best teacher ever.
Mr. Price had a football, had

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something else.
I think it was like a man with a

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beard obviously was like our
best teacher ever.

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Nice.
What's it?

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What's that in your hand?
She had a pile of best teacher

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ever posters for every single
teacher who teaches us and she

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and then she even after was
like, where can I give this to

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Missus Evans who's my partner
teacher?

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I was like, ohh why don't you
wait and not show me the other

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best teacher.
Everyone actually went driving

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through them. the PE teacher,
the music teacher, the head

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teacher, me.
Best teacher ever, best teacher

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ever with seven others who I've
got on my list.

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Yeah.
So that cracked me up.

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Also I don't have anyone else
gets who works in the school

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gets this.
I'm sure you do but it really

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made me stop and think the
amount of questions I get right

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when when any kind of
transition.

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So when they're coming in in the
morning or they're coming from

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break time or they're coming
from lunch.

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We doing.
It's one.

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Yeah.
One child after the other.

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One child after the other.
Usually something you can kind

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of just back off like ohh I feel
a bit poorly.

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OK have a drink.
Go and see how you feel.

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Ohh so and so said this in the
playground.

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Ohh where's that?
So and so let's talk to you just

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talk about it quickly.
Everything.

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It's part of the course.
There's one thing the other day

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John said to me, and I actually
replied to them something I've

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never really said before.
OK, so they.

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I don't care.
No, I said to them, OK, what?

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And what do you want me to do
about that?

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Like I was so I was like, oh,
that's so nasty.

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No, I know, I know.
But this is what they said, and

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this child can take it.
So there was no issue there.

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Yeah, they come up to me and
said, Ohh, he's handed their

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book to me.
They're reading.

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Yeah, and just to show me and as
if, as if I can solve this

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problem.
So gave me their book and goes.

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I was reading it, but I've lost
my page.

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Yeah.
OK, that's fair enough.

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Yeah.
OK.

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You tried looking for it?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
I can't find it.

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And just handing me the book.
Ohh.

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OK What?
What do you want?

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What do you want me.
I don't know where you were.

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And she went, ohh, yeah.
And then went back to see what

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do you want me to do That's like
up there when they finish their

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page and can I go to the next
one and and now say no no and

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then ohh OK most of the time
they'll just turn and.

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Laugh, obviously.
This girl this week?

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Yeah.
Went OK.

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Ohh.
So that was like, ohh darling,

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of course you can go to your
next.

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What do you do every other time
you finish page?

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Go to the next one.
OK.

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Yeah.
Carry on as ever been a problem?

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Imagine.
Wanting to do more work.

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I mean, excuse me, that's not
today's piece of A4 paper very

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much.
That that's that story is

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equivalent to me.
So our school, we do something

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called quizzing, yeah.
And the children read books,

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quizzing it just to kind of show
that they've understood it

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really.
And it's just when when a kid

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comes up and says, oh, can you
help me on this one?

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I know unless I've read the
book, which I almost definitely

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haven't.
There's about 5000 books in our

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library.
I just, I'm just going, ohh, I

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haven't read the book mate.
I don't know.

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I don't know why would I know
the answer?

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I can't.
I've got time to read the whole

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215 page.
Book Can you have with this

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quiz?
Not really.

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Yeah, to be honest with you,
it's the one of the only things

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I absolutely, definitely am
worse than you, 'cause I haven't

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read the book and you have, so I
definitely can't help you with.

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It's not funny.
So bad though, because I'm like,

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no.
Yeah, it's just we all know

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children ask useless questions
and we're just used to ban them

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off.
But that really caught me off

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guard and I just didn't know
what to say is like, OK, there

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was, there was absolutely
nothing I can do to help you

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with that.
You've had quite a funny week.

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Yeah, I know.
It's not even didn't finish.

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There.
Done.

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What else?
We did.

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We did this week.
That's a good joke.

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And we were doing fastening.
So buttons, zips, all that kind

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of thing.
We've done hinges previously.

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This is, this feels like the
next.

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I don't know why.
Why do puff fastenings feel like

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they lead on from zip from
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I don't know.
But it does feel like it does

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anyway.
So we did hinges before

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Christmas.
We're doing zips and buttons

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now.
The children will be showing a

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button onto our flannel.
And we were doing a lesson all

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about different fasteners and
the advantages and disadvantages

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and why you might use poppers
for one thing, like a baby grow

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OK and why you might use buttons
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And why is it might be more
beneficial on a coat for

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example, all these different
pros and cons and we were going

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for each one and we were getting
the children to talk to each

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other and say, OK, give me one
advantage, 1 disadvantage and

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somewhere you think we would use
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So for poppers it was one
advantage, very easy

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disadvantage.
It doesn't completely close up

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the gap between the material, so
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So that has to not be a problem.
And where would you use it?

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We set a baby grows, we talk
about Rory and that that all is

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closed.
Pretty much our pop.

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Have you got baby?
Yeah, I do have babies.

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Never mentioned it.
I've shown I showed someone 3

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pictures of him this week and it
was the same picture to the same

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person every day.
So have you seen this yet?

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And they were like.
Yeah, yeah, sorry.

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Yesterday, when I told you that,
I'd already.

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Seen it?
Yeah, yeah.

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Lovely though.
Lovely.

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Anyway, this one, this out.
We did, and I think we were on,

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maybe on Velcro by this point.
Another one, right.

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So we're on Velcro.
We're going around court.

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OK, You've all chat on your
tables.

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Give me one advantage of Velcro.
And someone was like, yeah,

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really easy to zip off.
Really awesome.

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Yeah, cool.
Give me a disadvantage because

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Velcro seems that easy.
It's actually harder for

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children to sometimes think why
Belgrove.

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Because Velcro is like the.
Ultimate star and everything.

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Yeah, literally.
It's so simple, but why would

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you not use it?
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because you can have other
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is very easy to come off, so
it's obviously not always

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suitable.
Anyway said to this charge she

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put hand up for a disadvantage
and like yes and she went.

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I was just in a hole and I saw
Mr Stevens in his shorts and he

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looked really weird.
Anyway the disadvantaged and she

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and she carried and honestly I
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to her I was like ohh OK I I
felt bad because I felt like I

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was facilitating this out of
nowhere.

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Honestly she just been out to do
a group quick come back into.

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This I was doing PE.
Yeah, she's like, yeah, he's

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wearing shorts.
He looked really weird and I was

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like.
Ohh you.

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Let's let's not be too mean to
him, OK?

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Maybe he looked a bit weird.
We don't just say it in front of

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everyone.
Really funny, if one of my kids

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that's anywhere about you would
have been like, yeah, what was

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he wearing?
His ogre.

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I'm sorry, but you were nicer
than.

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I am.
No, I just immediately felt bad

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because the whole conversation
we had before about even the

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children think it's weird when
men have like, legs out.

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And yeah, it's just it's.
It's not something that's

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normal.
Yeah.

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And I was like, ohh, my going
into this.

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It is funny though, like, I
think it's more that it's

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probably more that we wear
trousers in 1999 at the time, So

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when they do see us in something
else, especially me who wears

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the same clothes all the time,
you see me anything different

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and weird.
You in sportswear?

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Yeah, I had one sock inside out
as well.

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One of the kids on the floor,
one showing them what to do and

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the whole I'm standing up and
just put his hand up.

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One of your socks is inside out.
I was like, alright, OK, it's

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nothing that all.
The kids laughing?

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OK, fine.
Did you wanna check your

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spelling mistakes?
You independent, right?

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Or is it just my socks that you
can notice from Mark?

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Ohh Yeah.
Anyway, one last thing before we

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move on.
And this has got kind of just a

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bit of advice, I guess, to
people who maybe early on in

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their career, even you, uh, we
played this game, So we finished

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after like the first time in
about a year where we finished

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the lesson and we had a very
awkward amount of time left.

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It was like 1520 minutes.
Wow, we're reading a class book

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in English and we do English
set.

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So I didn't want to read the
class book to them because they

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would all be on different points
of the book.

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It would mess everything up.
So about 20 minutes.

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I was like, OK, listen, if you
guys can go and get your stuff

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very sensibly and come back and
sit down, I'll get a little game

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ready for us.
And we played Mad Libs for

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anyone who doesn't know, Mad
Libs is where there's a story

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with gaps, OK And you'll say to
them, OK, give me an adjective,

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give me a noun, give me a plural
noun.

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And you go through and it's like
a mini spag lesson because you

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can make it that way by talking
about I want an adjective and I

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go running.
I'm like, ohh, that's not an

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adjective.
That's a verb.

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It's it's an action word.
An adjective describes

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something.
So it's, it's still educational,

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but it's so funny.
And the kids were just, this

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always goes down so well of them
cause it's complete nonsense.

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It's like give me, give me a
noun and they go toilet.

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And I'm like excellent, cause I
know it's gonna be crazy in the

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story.
So you put toilet in, you put a

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person down.
They had Olivia Rodrigo.

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Let's put her in.
Who's a singer.

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Yeah.
All these random stuff.

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And at the end you press
generate and it generates this

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story where the gaps being
filled in by the way.

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So put it into a little.
Exactly.

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So it's now it's a small
narrative where on its own the

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narrative would be really
boring.

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Like a pizza party.
Right.

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And so our pizza party was, I
felt so lucky this week to have

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a pizza with toilets and bogeys
on them.

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And then they win.
Yeah, the kids are losing their

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minds.
And when they hear their word in

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the story, they're like, that
was my word.

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And now it's on the it's on a
pizza.

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And we can't eat it, can we?
And it was so, so, so nice.

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I had eight kids at the end come
up to me.

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Can you write it on a piece of
paper?

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I'm gonna Google it and do it at
home.

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So what is it then?
What is it a problem?

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It's just madness.
You can just Google Madlib Mad

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Libs and it's Mad Libs is like
the name, it's like charades,

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right?
So it's not like a set thing.

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It's just called Mad Libs.
So loads of people who do Mad

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Libs, other companies and stuff.
Yeah, do if your kids like a

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little mini 1015 minute GPS
thing.

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It was so engaging.
And the idea that loads of kids

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at the end were laughing
hysterically had basically just

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on the GPS and without realising
and come to us to do it at home.

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Yeah, I was like Christ, that is
what we need to be doing with

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these children.
Yeah, finding fun ways like we

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always do with your blow dart
maths and all that kind of

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stuff.
That was nonsense.

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It's nonsense, but it sums up
how I like to do my teaching and

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you, I think, which is if the
kids are fully engaged in

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something, you can, you can hide
the learning almost.

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Yeah, yeah, like you can just
recap stuff, get them to think.

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About learning as a requirement
almost to play the game

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properly, which they really
wanna play exactly.

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You know adjectives You can't,
really.

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Precisely.
And then you can turn around and

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say someone that said big and I
was like no, no, no, no.

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This needs to be the funniest
story ever.

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Yeah.
So then they go away and they

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think, ohh OK, even if they
think a better word than big or

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a more exotic word like you
would have seen before.

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Like yeah, we were doing some
reading and A and a one of the

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vocab words we looked at was
ancient, very simple word.

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But for children who are like 7
or 8-9, not one they'd often

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use.
And they were using words like

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ancient and flamboyant and stuff
that were on our vocab war.

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It was just nice because then it
goes in the story, it's just

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hidden learning.
And then my favourite types of

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things, I think, where the
children are almost tricked into

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learning for having a good.
Time.

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Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Can you spell flamboyant?

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Yeah, I can.
It's Ohh.

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Jingle, you could save by the
bell.

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So as you can tell from the
title, we're going to have a

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little chat about absence and I
say little chat.

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I think it's going to be another
long one.

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We're gonna try and aim for an
hour but it's a bit over.

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It's because having a good
conversation, but absence is a

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huge focal point at the minute.
In education we've talked about

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teacher workload, reduction,
strikes, all that kind of stuff

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almost come across sometimes
quite self centred, can't it?

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We're talking about our
experiences and we always trying

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to put to the front actually the
reason we're going on strike and

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the reason we talk about
well-being is because at the end

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of the day, that's what impacts
the children the most.

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Because no matter what people
say or think, I know for a fact

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that as teachers, the individual
children and all of them

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together are what is at the
front of our mind.

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That's what we want to get the
most out of this whole system.

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So absence is a big, big, big
barrier to achieving that when

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actually they're not even
getting into the school

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building.
There's a huge kind of focal on

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it right now because a post
COVID absence is worse than

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ever.
It is not recovered.

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We've got some stats that we're
gonna go through them.

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Before we go through these
stats, as a teacher, why is it

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that we wanted to have this
chat?

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Why?
Why do we think it's worth

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talking about and do the do the
stats we'll talk about in the

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future kind of reflect what you
see as a teacher?

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100% it's it is it is crazy
different and I do wonder if

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it's like that for everyone.
I clearly and we look at the

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stats, you know, on average,
clearly it is.

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But you know I'd like to know if
my experience has been similar

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to most people or worse than
maybe the.

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So what do you?
See that is different to before

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COVID.
Just, there's just, OK, two main

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things, I think maybe three.
One of them is maybe four, maybe

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four, maybe 6 when when kids are
off.

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So in the last like three years,
I've noticed that when kids are

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off, it just tends to be a much
longer period than it ever was

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before.
Right.

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You quite often used to get kids
off one day.

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It's like one day they were
they, you know, they had a

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stonking cold and but there's
that one peak day we just feel

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like rubbish and they're off
that day back in the next day.

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And at the moment it's kind of
like, Oh yeah, two weeks off.

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So two weeks, you had a cold two
week, two weeks off.

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And I'm finding that that's
happening a lot.

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But also like the threshold of
like, just what what kids are

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off for just seems to be way
more.

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That's the way I'm looking for.
Just like really?

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You're off for that.
I would never say that to a kid,

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No, of course, because we've
said before on our podcast, you

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know, 99.9% of the time it's
not, it's not really the kids

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fault like I do think it is as a
parent, especially if primary

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school, thinking of right now,
secretary school may be a bit

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different.
Is kind of the parents

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responsibility really to get
your kids to school if they're

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six years old, isn't it?
On the whole, they'll be certain

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things we'll talk about later,
SND, you know, mental health,

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00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:49,520
different illness, we know there
are, but we're talking

455
00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:51,500
run-of-the-mill.
Yeah, I'm talking right now,

456
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:53,450
just just they just the kids,
you know, they're just a bit

457
00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:54,410
poorly.
They don't want school.

458
00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:55,910
So I'm not talking to legitimate
absences.

459
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,850
I'm talking like you, just
polite.

460
00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:00,140
Sure.
You know, or maybe even going on

461
00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:02,230
holiday or something like that.
So do you think we'll talk about

462
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,480
holidays?
That's really interesting

463
00:18:03,490 --> 00:18:05,840
because I think we're gonna have
some different opinions there.

464
00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,520
But so in terms of that kind of
idea of children off for longer,

465
00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:12,760
I've not thought about that, but
that's absolutely true.

466
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:15,800
Do you think that's a hangover
from the COVID, you know, stay

467
00:18:15,810 --> 00:18:18,380
indoors thing where you know
even when you are feeling well

468
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:22,320
with COVID it was no five days
indoors, no matter how you feel

469
00:18:22,330 --> 00:18:25,040
five days indoors, do you think
that's had a bit of a hangover?

470
00:18:25,050 --> 00:18:26,680
Do you think the trust has been
eroded?

471
00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:28,500
What?
What do you think of the reasons

472
00:18:28,510 --> 00:18:29,770
for what you're?
Saying, I've not thought about

473
00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:31,200
it before, but that's gotta be,
isn't it?

474
00:18:31,210 --> 00:18:34,370
So all I have thought about is
it's not a coincidence that

475
00:18:34,380 --> 00:18:36,920
since COVID, the absence is a
massive problem.

476
00:18:36,930 --> 00:18:38,470
Sure, it's definitely linked.
Yeah.

477
00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:40,140
So what part of COVID?
I don't know.

478
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:42,610
And I think maybe that's true.
It is the whole like all your,

479
00:18:42,620 --> 00:18:44,490
you know, you've got COVID and
not even ill with COVID.

480
00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:45,960
A lot of the time.
Some people weren't ill with it,

481
00:18:45,970 --> 00:18:48,550
like they just had it stay at
home, you know, like a first.

482
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,740
Was it like 13 days?
It was.

483
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:50,900
Like at first it was about two
weeks.

484
00:18:50,910 --> 00:18:52,330
Yeah.
And it's kind of like, yeah, I

485
00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:55,530
do think maybe, maybe we've got
a bit of used to the idea of,

486
00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:57,450
ah, it's OK to have a bit of
time.

487
00:18:57,620 --> 00:18:58,900
Let's go.
If you're like a little bit

488
00:18:58,910 --> 00:18:59,850
poorly.
Yeah.

489
00:18:59,910 --> 00:19:02,220
Or you know you just you know
you wanna milk and have another

490
00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:03,300
couple of days out of it, I
don't know.

491
00:19:03,310 --> 00:19:05,420
But it's definitely a problem
since COVID.

492
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:06,700
And I think what I can say, I
agree.

493
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:09,150
And I think before we go into
these details now and break

494
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,280
everything down, we're gonna
look at a report that was this

495
00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:15,160
committee that was part of the
House of Commons across party

496
00:19:15,170 --> 00:19:18,320
thing that kind of put their
findings and their ideas towards

497
00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:20,140
the government going to talk
about in a second alterative

498
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:22,230
absence and whether we agree on
what we think can be done.

499
00:19:22,530 --> 00:19:25,120
I think what I want to lump in
with absence as well though is

500
00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:28,530
lateness.
And this idea of yeah, it seems

501
00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:32,470
to be for a lot of people now at
both children and adults that

502
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,510
they think it's OK to be late
and there's there's no, there's

503
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:37,810
no rush anymore.
Ohh, no.

504
00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:40,670
We've got to get to school on
time because, you know, every,

505
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,410
every second of learning is
really important.

506
00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,860
And in the early parts of my
career, I was definitely

507
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:46,910
someone, even as a teacher.
I kind of rolled my eyes

508
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,930
sometimes to that.
But all right, 5 minutes here

509
00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:51,850
and there is not going to hurt.
But we're talking now about if

510
00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:56,050
children are late every single
day to school and it's by half

511
00:19:56,060 --> 00:19:59,760
an hour, 40 minutes, sometimes
the entire first lesson.

512
00:19:59,970 --> 00:20:02,740
If you actually look back at a
week at the end, there might be

513
00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:05,940
some children who, although they
are in school every day, missed

514
00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:08,520
80% of their mass learning.
If you teach maths first, yeah,

515
00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:11,440
yeah, they missed every single
registration session when the

516
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:13,240
school's trying to do some catch
up groups with them.

517
00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:16,260
And inevitably, and we'll talk
about the groups who are hit

518
00:20:16,270 --> 00:20:18,990
more by absences.
Inevitably the children you want

519
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,630
to do the most work with and the
most catch up with to help from

520
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,840
the COVID absences and to boost
their their attainment are the

521
00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:28,100
children who are off.
So there's a double whammy.

522
00:20:28,170 --> 00:20:29,930
There, of course, we've got
these interventions running and

523
00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:31,830
only 30% of the children are in
for them.

524
00:20:31,910 --> 00:20:36,070
So it it's it's lateness,
absence, the whole kind of.

525
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,740
Attitude towards school and its
importance have completely to me

526
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:43,990
being turned upside down.
It's a bit too laid back now,

527
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,350
not everyone because I do seem
to.

528
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,890
I have found over the last few
years it is repeat offenders.

529
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,210
I'm not finding that all thirty
of my class are sporadically

530
00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:54,660
having different sort of days
where there maybe not in or they

531
00:20:54,670 --> 00:20:57,010
coming in quite late.
It is generally over the last

532
00:20:57,020 --> 00:21:00,530
few years, it's the same handful
of families that you know, like

533
00:21:00,540 --> 00:21:02,570
where the kids are coming in.
So really, really.

534
00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:04,860
Like, with that in mind then,
and we're gonna talk about this

535
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:07,000
later, there's got to be some
underlying things going on as

536
00:21:07,010 --> 00:21:09,280
well.
We gotta be What are the reasons

537
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:11,460
that this has happened Now?
COVID is obviously going to be a

538
00:21:11,470 --> 00:21:13,780
big one.
The erosion of trust, I think,

539
00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:16,220
between the average person and
the government.

540
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:19,080
When when you turn around and
tell people that schools closed

541
00:21:19,210 --> 00:21:23,480
for children and it's because of
this and we say it's OK, that's

542
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:25,170
going to erode trust eventually,
we're OK.

543
00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:26,660
Well, you close the schools for
two months.

544
00:21:26,670 --> 00:21:28,770
Why can't I take my kid?
Out for I'll never forget Boris.

545
00:21:28,850 --> 00:21:30,930
You know, I I know I've said
this on the podcast ages ago,

546
00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:33,010
but I've gotta say again,
because I'll never ever forget

547
00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:34,080
it.
It's like a core memory of mine

548
00:21:34,090 --> 00:21:36,180
now was when that Christmas.
I don't know what year it was

549
00:21:36,190 --> 00:21:38,710
2121.
I think it was 2021.

550
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,310
Quick Christmas 2020.
Yeah.

551
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,170
Needing only 2021 January where
he was Adam you know everything

552
00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:46,540
was saying we should not be
sending kids back to school.

553
00:21:46,550 --> 00:21:49,970
We were at like peak peak COVID
times terrible terrible time.

554
00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:53,110
Everything was pointing towards
let's not send kids back to

555
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,010
school straight away after the
Christmas holidays.

556
00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:56,830
Boris adamant we were going to
do it.

557
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,200
We were all went in for one day
and then the next day he closed

558
00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:02,590
the schools that for me just
that sort of summarises what

559
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,480
you're saying there like I I
lost.

560
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,580
I don't have much faith in it in
him anyway.

561
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:10,290
But from that point onwards I
like I absolutely had zero hope

562
00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:12,770
that even for the future of of
the country with that kind of

563
00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:15,480
leadership and I can imagine a
lot of parents that's you know

564
00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:19,120
that kind of thing Why would you
trust the government like or you

565
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,940
need to be in school.
But also, no, it's fine.

566
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:22,050
Last second.
Change it.

567
00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:25,300
Of course they're going to start
losing trust in this advice is a

568
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:27,880
bit hit and miss, really,
because last year I spent 13

569
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:30,240
days off, three times actually,
over the year.

570
00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:32,750
And kid was fine.
My kid find symptoms and they

571
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,210
missed out on all this stuff.
It must be it must be really

572
00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:36,500
frustrating.
It was frustrating for us as

573
00:22:36,510 --> 00:22:39,680
teachers I think before we get
into all details again, I know

574
00:22:39,690 --> 00:22:42,220
we're gonna have a really
interesting chat here but I I

575
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,860
really don't want this to turn
into a point the finger of blame

576
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:46,260
thing.
I know we've already said it's

577
00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:48,370
the parents responsibility to
get children in.

578
00:22:48,380 --> 00:22:50,380
That is true.
But there are going to be

579
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:53,260
reasons why there's this huge
trends.

580
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:55,580
These huge trends don't happen
for nothing.

581
00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:57,220
There's going to be some
underlying reasons.

582
00:22:57,230 --> 00:23:00,240
We're going to try and get into
them and think, OK, well, it's

583
00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:02,470
going to take a long while to
fix, but what can we do to fix

584
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,680
them?
So let's get into some

585
00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:06,410
statistics.
These can't be, you know, argued

586
00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:08,230
with this is just what has
happened.

587
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,160
So it's as simple as that.
Well, I don't know about.

588
00:23:10,170 --> 00:23:11,970
That Yeah.
Well, it was it from the

589
00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:15,390
government.
So absence has doubled from pre

590
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,080
COVID to 2023.
So just before COVID, 2019

591
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,810
absent ran at about fourish
percent 4 to 5%.

592
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,790
After COVID it's almost hitting
8%.

593
00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:28,410
So again, 4 to 8 might not sound
like a lot.

594
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,450
Think about the hundreds of
thousands of children.

595
00:23:30,460 --> 00:23:31,520
And that's affecting every
single.

596
00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:33,800
Day of the relationship.
Double, double, double, doubled.

597
00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:35,840
It's doubled, yeah.
Where you had three children

598
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:37,850
persistently absent, you know
have six in your class.

599
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:39,760
Yeah, And talking about being
persistently absent.

600
00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:42,740
And there's a threshold for
this, It simply means that this

601
00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:44,610
isn't A1 off problem.
Like you said, this becomes a

602
00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:47,080
repeat offence.
Yeah, one in five children are

603
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:49,080
defined.
As persistently absent in

604
00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:50,740
school.
One of the one of five of the

605
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:52,440
absent.
So one of five of the eight.

606
00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:55,160
No, no one in five children.
One in five children.

607
00:23:55,170 --> 00:23:58,410
One in five children, 20% of
children persistently absent if

608
00:23:58,420 --> 00:24:01,090
you walked into a school.
One in five of any of the

609
00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:02,570
children in school are
persistently.

610
00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:05,360
There's 20% off.
Kids are persistently.

611
00:24:05,370 --> 00:24:08,590
Explain why the 8% absence,
That's that's rolling.

612
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,660
So any given day, 8% of kids are
off.

613
00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:11,570
OK.
OK.

614
00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:13,640
To be persistently absent.
Yeah.

615
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:17,350
You have to be off for 10% or
more of school time of the year,

616
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:19,190
just in general.
Yeah, exactly.

617
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,110
So to be off for 10% or more, if
you think about it, that's one

618
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,010
in 10.
So one day of absence every two

619
00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:28,070
weeks, minimum for every two
weeks of a year.

620
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:29,680
That's persistent absence.
Yeah.

621
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:33,360
One in five children are missing
one day at school or more.

622
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:35,720
Every two weeks, that is.
So much more than I thought.

623
00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:37,690
It was gonna, it's incredible
when you sit down and I bet if

624
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,570
you look back at registers and
stuff, hmm, you actually sit and

625
00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:43,170
work out, you're like, yeah,
that, you know, one day out of

626
00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:44,430
two.
Weeks make sense because we like

627
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,400
we're in a culture now.
I start where we celebrate when

628
00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:48,220
everyone's in.
I know is like, hey, everyone's

629
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:49,710
in today because it's so rarely
happens.

630
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,270
Yeah.
So on any given day, you'll have

631
00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:55,200
two or three people off, I must
say, very quickly before we

632
00:24:55,210 --> 00:24:57,590
carry on.
I've noticed this because just

633
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,310
in my school where we the bell
goes at 8:40 in the morning and

634
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,960
then mass will start at 8:50.
It kind of gives a 10 minute

635
00:25:04,050 --> 00:25:06,780
price period.
So what I'm about to say isn't

636
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:09,150
the amount of children who are
in maths starts, but it's an

637
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,910
indication of the kind of, you
know, what we might see in

638
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,230
schools where when the bell goes
at 8:40.

639
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,310
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've started to track how many

640
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,650
children are lining up ready to
come in.

641
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,200
OK.
I had last week and my three

642
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:23,110
days in out of how many out of
3110?

643
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:27,620
Eleven and 12 ready to come,
ready to come in 840 and we

644
00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:30,690
want, you know, it's open 840
come in, the gates open at half,

645
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,550
eight for the playground.
So eight 40s when we walk in,

646
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:38,310
match starts 58840.
I had 10/11/12, yeah.

647
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,700
This week on Monday I walked in
there were five people in my

648
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:45,590
line, right, 14.
So for context, same school I

649
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,790
get consistently like 2020.
Yeah, 28 kids at 8:40, Yeah.

650
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,530
So you know we're not yours are
just not.

651
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:53,340
It's not.
Obviously it's not something

652
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:55,050
that every single person
experiencing the same.

653
00:25:55,060 --> 00:25:56,580
No, but that, but you are
experiencing.

654
00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:59,130
That, but that's you know, and
and again by the time mass comes

655
00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:00,950
around people, they stream.
Yeah.

656
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,890
Do you find that you get a lot
of streaming in the next 10

657
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:04,330
minutes?
After I got streaming in, but

658
00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:05,910
still then I send on the
register.

659
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,440
It's very, very common for me to
have at least six children in

660
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:09,120
this.
Building Wow.

661
00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:10,850
And then they have to check.
And then by the afternoon I'll

662
00:26:10,860 --> 00:26:12,510
have one or two on the building,
so you know.

663
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,630
These are coming.
They do come in, yeah.

664
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,930
So again, talk about
persistently absent and then

665
00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:21,370
severely absent even more so if
you think one in 10 days is

666
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:23,030
enough.
That's doubled the amount of

667
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,690
children who are severely absent
from 1% to almost 2%.

668
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:29,250
So it's a, it's a picture which
is very clear to see.

669
00:26:29,260 --> 00:26:32,890
And if you strip it back,
absence was going down steadily

670
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,900
from 2010.
It was something that, although

671
00:26:35,910 --> 00:26:39,420
not lots of being ploughed into
it, there was clearly still a

672
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:42,380
bond between the family, the
government and school where we

673
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:43,780
understood the importance of
getting in.

674
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:47,430
COVID completely diminished that
completely.

675
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,180
Yeah, must have done.
Because I think the culture has

676
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:50,320
changed, isn't it?
I can feel it.

677
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,160
The culture you did used to be
it was almost you almost shunned

678
00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:56,100
if if you were, if you were
bringing your kid in late.

679
00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:58,080
It was almost like, it's
embarrassing, isn't it?

680
00:26:58,090 --> 00:26:59,600
It really wasn't.
It was an embarrassing feeling.

681
00:26:59,610 --> 00:27:02,310
It wasn't as common.
Oh God, my God.

682
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,250
We woke up late.
I'm embarrassed, you know.

683
00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:06,860
But now it's kind of like we
woke up late again for the

684
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:08,920
seventh time this term.
Go on then.

685
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:10,810
You better head to school.
It's almost 915.

686
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:12,430
Go on, it'll be alright.
You'll be alright.

687
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,710
Just tell me you're late.
It's fine.

688
00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:17,010
I do feel like that is how it's.
I don't know, but there's lots

689
00:27:17,020 --> 00:27:18,290
of reasons which we'll get into
today.

690
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,110
So yeah, And I think it's
important when we have these

691
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,530
chats, we're always the first
people to say, well, there's and

692
00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:24,630
there's a reason for everything.
So those people who say with

693
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,110
behaviour, well have you tried
building a relationship with

694
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,000
them?
And it's like, OK, look, we know

695
00:27:30,010 --> 00:27:31,940
and we're going to talk about
it, so please don't get your

696
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:34,340
knickers in A twist, OK.
If you're listening to this and

697
00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:36,670
thinking, Oh no, they're they're
not thinking.

698
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,490
Yes, we know.
We're going to talk about all

699
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:40,290
the reasons why.
Everything, Right?

700
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:46,350
But there are also some people
who just need to get their kids

701
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,530
in school.
Yeah, they just need to do it.

702
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:50,270
OK.
It's it's about having a bit of

703
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,370
discipline, a bit less laziness,
and that would help.

704
00:27:53,460 --> 00:27:55,360
However, does that explain the
trend?

705
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,870
Obviously not, because the trend
wouldn't just those people

706
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,510
always exist.
Exactly.

707
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,350
Exactly.
So there's no point getting all

708
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,330
worked up and worried about all
the judges.

709
00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:04,930
So lazy.
Get them into school.

710
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,830
No, something else has happened
here and I'd love to dive into

711
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,590
it.
Yeah.

712
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960
So before we do very quickly,
there's obviously home

713
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:12,180
schooling.
Yeah.

714
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:15,330
That is another thing where that
it's not very formalised.

715
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:17,690
There's not like an official
formal education.

716
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:20,000
Not for people who aren't
receiving a formal education.

717
00:28:20,050 --> 00:28:22,200
There's not an official like
government register to kind of.

718
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:24,390
Yeah, just track and make sure
those children are still getting

719
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,160
the education.
They.

720
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:27,320
Of course, homeschooling works
for a lot of people.

721
00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:29,120
Yeah.
I'm not against home schooling,

722
00:28:29,130 --> 00:28:33,070
but I do think that it's it's
kind of it's OK to say ohh these

723
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,000
children getting the.
Right.

724
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:35,080
Kind of.
It's it's a system.

725
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:37,600
It's simple as this, isn't it?
Homeschooling objectively is not

726
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:40,700
a bad thing, but it is a system
that could much, much more

727
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:43,540
easily be abused than the school
system because there there is

728
00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:45,920
just a lack of register and a
lack of, you know, government

729
00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:48,410
wide systems to monitor.
These children are getting, you

730
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:50,580
know, a proper education for the
correct amount of time or

731
00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:52,500
whatever.
So yeah, it is a system that can

732
00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:55,800
be abused, abused and I do think
there should be some further

733
00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:58,090
monitoring.
Now more than ever, they have to

734
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,960
make sure these children are
receiving an education.

735
00:29:00,030 --> 00:29:01,790
Definitely.
Let's have a quick Jingle and

736
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,770
then we'll come in and we'll
talk about what?

737
00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:06,060
I like the phrase.
We've turned to use this phrase.

738
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:08,180
Let's have a quick Jingle like,
let's have a quick break so we

739
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:10,720
can get our thoughts together.
We're going to come back.

740
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,490
You've heard all the stats.
Now we're going to dive a bit

741
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,630
deeper.
What's causing these absences

742
00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:17,300
and what can be done about?
It And is Dylan going to go on

743
00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:21,440
holiday with his child when he's
at school in time in term time?

744
00:29:21,450 --> 00:29:26,350
Big question, right.
So we're back, Dylan.

745
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,790
Before we get into the juicy
stuff, I do want to ask you a

746
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,790
personal question because we've
got, we've both got kids now, if

747
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,790
you didn't know already.
Size 36.

748
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:36,970
Oh, no, not yet.
Not the diet.

749
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,760
Diet.
But we're not getting because we

750
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:41,660
talk about next week, right?
So holidays is obviously a

751
00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:42,400
thing.
That's the thing.

752
00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:44,710
We're not gonna talk really much
about holidays in this episode,

753
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,530
but let's just do a quick
conversation now.

754
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:49,080
So.
You mean holidays, not school

755
00:29:49,090 --> 00:29:51,660
holidays.
You mean I'm talking classic

756
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:53,380
type?
Type of absence is kids being

757
00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:54,550
away on holiday during term
time.

758
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,960
Right.
And every teacher is like, God

759
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:58,370
damn it, because you know you
want to get some stuff done.

760
00:29:58,430 --> 00:30:00,060
Ohh, really?
Yeah, that's OK.

761
00:30:00,070 --> 00:30:02,200
My question is, will you be
would you.

762
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:05,370
We have an extra week with the
way our school works out, where

763
00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:08,480
we are off for a week where most
schools are still in in term

764
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:11,440
time, holidays are cheaper.
We're going on holiday this year

765
00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:15,300
in that week together.
Would you take Rory out of

766
00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:17,490
school in that week to go on a
cheaper holiday considering they

767
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:18,850
are about 1/3 of the price?
Yes.

768
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,430
Yeah yeah I again I this is my
hope make it really clear to

769
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,410
people listening that were not
these draconian every second of

770
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:28,970
school you must be in there and
the government says so and the

771
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:32,130
the government say so you must
do if your child no we hate the

772
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:33,850
government like don't don't
worry about that.

773
00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:38,160
But my point is I have never
ever been off the impression

774
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,570
that it annoyed me when children
went on holiday.

775
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:44,550
Yeah in term time firstly it's a
capitalist absolute nightmare.

776
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,810
Hate capitalism anyway but the
disgusting price rises and hikes

777
00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:50,820
during the half.
As long as that's a thing.

778
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:53,650
I will never begrudge anyone
going on holiday without OK do

779
00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:57,080
you want to do an 80 LB fine and
a ��500 holiday or do you wanna

780
00:30:57,090 --> 00:31:00,330
do a 1500 LB holiday?
Hmm, I'll take the 80 LB fine I

781
00:31:00,340 --> 00:31:00,940
think.
Yeah.

782
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:05,040
And and if children are being in
school consistently and it's a

783
00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:07,530
pre planned holiday when you
know you'll be off for a week

784
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:10,000
and you can easily find out what
the children are doing or you

785
00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:12,690
know what not and just enjoy
your holiday and then come back

786
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:15,090
and be absolutely fine.
I've never had a problem with

787
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,680
just let the teacher stress
about catching them.

788
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:18,620
Well I'm a teacher.
I do it enough for other

789
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:19,900
children.
They can do it for my children.

790
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:22,710
Ohh I see no no.
But my point is I I've never

791
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,870
ever as a teacher felt like it's
been so so detrimental.

792
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,930
When a child's had like a lovely
holiday with their parents were

793
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:32,090
a bit and they come back.
It's not something.

794
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,390
Ohh the office.
I think my child was on holiday.

795
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:34,850
I don't.
Care.

796
00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:36,670
OK, like the like the owls
question.

797
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,650
How many hot term time holidays
until it starts annoying you

798
00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:40,740
think actually this is?
Irresponsible.

799
00:31:40,750 --> 00:31:43,810
I think 1A year is acceptable.
I think 2A year I'd be like, all

800
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:45,990
right, come on, you've had your
cheap holiday you don't need.

801
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,460
No one needs two holidays a
year.

802
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:49,390
Yeah.
Lady.

803
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,360
Yeah, no, I think, I think if
you're going on holiday you're

804
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:54,510
you're gonna do it in time, time
cause it's a third of the price.

805
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,290
Yeah.
So if you can as an adult take

806
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:57,930
your child like 3 then for a
week.

807
00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:00,350
Take three in term time across
the same as the one holiday you

808
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,080
could have done.
Not time.

809
00:32:01,090 --> 00:32:03,640
Yeah, you could do, you could do
or used 1000 lbs that you've

810
00:32:03,650 --> 00:32:06,010
saved to, you know, do something
else.

811
00:32:06,020 --> 00:32:08,770
I don't know.
Yeah, but my point is, you know,

812
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:11,730
I'm happy for that as long as
it's in reasonable, which to me

813
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:14,030
is one of the one of you.
You've gone away for a week.

814
00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:16,700
I spoke to a secondary school
teacher, funny enough recently

815
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:18,850
about this, just a friend.
And they were like, they had a

816
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:21,110
slightly different opinion.
Yeah, because there's so many

817
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,280
more like pivotal points like
GCSE's and stuff like.

818
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:24,860
That.
Is really frustrating though

819
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:26,810
when it's like a month.
Before GS, Well, we've had

820
00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:28,260
children going on.
They're doing Sats.

821
00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:29,810
Yeah, all the week before or.
Whatever.

822
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:31,900
Is it more frustrating for the
children or is it more

823
00:32:31,910 --> 00:32:33,780
frustrating for the school?
For the school, it's not

824
00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:35,930
frustrating for children.
If anything, it's even better

825
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:37,740
for the children now to do the
stupid Sats.

826
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:41,030
So who who actually cares?
Yeah, does it actually?

827
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,050
Matter if that's why I try not
to.

828
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,640
Any Any time Mike has gone on
holiday when they come back and

829
00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:47,990
their parents have told them to
pretend they weren't or

830
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,140
something and they're tanned and
they're like, ohh, I'm like yeah

831
00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:52,210
you have a nice did you have a
nice.

832
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,750
Holiday I'm just like it's just.
Cut this I'm not going to get

833
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,900
across that you've been.
It's not your.

834
00:32:55,910 --> 00:32:58,440
Fault on a holiday?
But did you know you then?

835
00:32:58,670 --> 00:33:00,980
Not really.
It genuinely would, only it has

836
00:33:00,990 --> 00:33:03,180
annoyed me a couple of times in
the past because I've had

837
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,570
children who have genuinely gone
on like three or four and the

838
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:09,980
only thing that does annoy me is
is a very rarely seen this, but

839
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:11,370
any entitlement that comes with
it.

840
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:13,390
If you take your child out of
holiday, you've got, you've got

841
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,040
to deal the repercussions of the
missing education.

842
00:33:15,170 --> 00:33:17,720
I've had parents come in and say
we're going on holiday.

843
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:20,780
I need you to prepare, you know,
a booklet of the mouse book.

844
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,530
They've worked for English so we
can do all of the stuff.

845
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:23,850
I don't want to miss out on
anything.

846
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:25,560
If you.
Do not want to miss out, yeah.

847
00:33:25,570 --> 00:33:27,110
Yeah.
And and I and I've genuinely

848
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,990
anytime that's ever happened
I've just gone no yeah I said

849
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,130
Nope because you you've chosen
to take them out of time.

850
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:33,900
It's genuinely not my.
And when they come back, you're

851
00:33:33,910 --> 00:33:35,570
going to spend some time
catching them, of course, of

852
00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:37,760
course, inadvertently will, but
that's the only that's the.

853
00:33:37,770 --> 00:33:40,170
Only adding to my workload
because you want to go on

854
00:33:40,180 --> 00:33:42,810
holiday in town.
Yeah, but you know what if if a

855
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:45,870
low income family who maybe
wouldn't get to go on holiday

856
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,910
that year if their only choices
are we don't go on holiday or we

857
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,820
go in this one time, in this one
in term time.

858
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:53,400
Would I be annoyed?
Not at all.

859
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:56,000
I'd be, I'd be like Richmond,
I'd almost on the side.

860
00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:57,480
But please do go on that
holiday.

861
00:33:57,490 --> 00:33:59,100
I'll I'll help catch your kid
up.

862
00:33:59,470 --> 00:34:01,600
Can you imagine right set
turning around and saying to a

863
00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:04,360
child and a family, you can't
have that enrichment at all?

864
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:06,530
By the way, all enrichment's
been cut and we don't do

865
00:34:06,540 --> 00:34:07,470
anything in school.
That's fine.

866
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,219
Anymore.
Anyway, enough about holidays.

867
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:13,179
So basically I just want to get
across that, yeah, it's like you

868
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:15,060
said, we're not draconian.
I I think absence.

869
00:34:15,070 --> 00:34:18,380
Look, if we can deal with some
absence, some absence is fine.

870
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:19,960
And a little a holiday every now
and then.

871
00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:22,340
Whatever, it's cheaper.
And if you're ill, you're ill,

872
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:24,850
yeah.
You're ill will be fine, but

873
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:27,639
we're talking about a massive
rise in overall absence and

874
00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:30,139
where that's come from, and
actually it is to have an impact

875
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:32,040
in general.
And you know why?

876
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:33,260
Why is it happening?
So, Dylan.

877
00:34:33,350 --> 00:34:36,940
Yeah, the top, the top reason
children are off is illness.

878
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:38,920
It was illness before.
It's illness now.

879
00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:42,500
However, what's really
interesting about this is the

880
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:45,440
amount of children who are off
ill has massively increased its

881
00:34:45,449 --> 00:34:47,350
COVID.
So again, it's tracked with a

882
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,260
doubling pretty much.
OK, so our children twice as

883
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:51,520
well as they were before.
A bit.

884
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,850
No, I don't think that they are.
Maybe.

885
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:55,920
Obviously there's COVID now, so
there might be a bit more

886
00:34:55,929 --> 00:34:57,960
illness going round.
Yeah, but we've always had flu

887
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:59,340
seasons, we've always had cold
seasons.

888
00:34:59,350 --> 00:35:01,600
We've had children, tonsillitis,
children off for different

889
00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:04,140
reasons, poorly tummies, body
headaches, whatever it is.

890
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:06,480
We've always had illness and
we've still got it.

891
00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:10,570
But why is there more authorised
illness right now than there was

892
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:13,540
before COVID?
Clearly COVID had an impact.

893
00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:17,610
So the threshold for what we
would say as parents for keeping

894
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:20,420
children home, that threshold
has lowered massively.

895
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:20,870
I.
Think so.

896
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,480
What do we do?
What do we do about it?

897
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:23,290
I.
Think Can we do?

898
00:35:23,350 --> 00:35:26,850
The committee said this, and I
think it's excellent advice and

899
00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:28,080
there's going to be a running
theme here.

900
00:35:28,090 --> 00:35:30,170
Hayden, very much like last
week, we talked about the

901
00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:32,380
workload reduction.
There's lots of fantastic ideas.

902
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:35,360
Yeah, nothing will happen.
I say what?

903
00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:37,100
Nothing will work.
Don't say it.

904
00:35:37,110 --> 00:35:39,180
Go on, don't say it.
What do you think?

905
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:41,520
Yeah, listen to the first point.
Maybe listen to the first

906
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:43,010
couple.
Then we'll say why now?

907
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:44,540
This will happen.
The one thing that's going to

908
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:47,550
stop this everything from.
Happening after 13 years of a

909
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,490
Tory government what could it be
so obviously moved big thing the

910
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:56,850
committee have have said needs
to happen is really targeted

911
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,650
like kind of investment almost
and and this idea of we need

912
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:07,130
parents to know exactly through
guidance when to and when not to

913
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:09,790
send your child to school.
What is it that might be

914
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,990
contagious and therefore be a
bit of a a vector in school and

915
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,620
spread illness and more children
are off.

916
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:17,300
Therefore you keep your one
child at home, or when it's

917
00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:19,450
actually OK, you've got a bit of
a poorly tummy.

918
00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:21,320
Let's see how you get on.
Crack on going to I think

919
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:23,850
they'll be really effective.
I genuinely think that you know,

920
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:25,740
something as simple as that
would be really effective.

921
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:28,590
A little poster that goes home
to every kid, it goes put up

922
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,680
around schools and maybe there's
a couple of adverts on it, you

923
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:32,760
know, like they did during COVID
with the guidance.

924
00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:34,140
Most people did follow the
guidance.

925
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,270
Obviously you get people that
don't and the loudest people,

926
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:38,820
but the majority of people do
follow it and actually listen to

927
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:40,230
it.
And it's subconsciously, even if

928
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,740
they're like, oh whatever, well,
it will go in.

929
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:44,500
This is when you should send
your kids to school.

930
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:46,840
This is when you can think about
not sending them to school.

931
00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:48,960
It's got to meet these kind of
threshold because the threshold

932
00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:51,880
has moved.
As a teacher how confident are

933
00:36:51,890 --> 00:36:54,710
you with knowing when to send a
child them Because they're not

934
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,500
how confident am.
Yeah how confident are you to

935
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:59,610
look at a child they present to
you they say ohh I'm feeling

936
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:01,550
this this or that you can see
their symptoms.

937
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:05,140
As class teacher it's down to us
to say OK look carry on with

938
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:08,210
your work we'll get to lunchtime
or OK go down to the office

939
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:10,460
we'll ring parents.
I'm how how do you.

940
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:12,140
Because this is the same thing.
Hard.

941
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:14,230
This is the same thing.
I never ever want to send a

942
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,720
child home.
I don't I want them to be in

943
00:37:15,730 --> 00:37:18,570
school as much as possible.
I I maybe put it off more than I

944
00:37:18,580 --> 00:37:20,610
should.
Sometimes I say OK we're in

945
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:22,430
maths OK and that's I'm feeling
a bit poorly.

946
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,180
Ohh, wait till break time.
Get some fresh air.

947
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:26,250
Run about always they'll wait to
break time coming for English.

948
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,620
Well, you know it's nearly
lunchtime now.

949
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:30,110
So we see how we feel at lunch.
Get a bit of food down you

950
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,910
lunchtime comes.
Well eat your food and go

951
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,210
outside a bit of fresh air.
See afternoon or you know, it's

952
00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:35,560
the afternoon.
Now I've only got a couple of

953
00:37:35,570 --> 00:37:36,440
hours.
Should we do our hand?

954
00:37:36,450 --> 00:37:38,520
We don't wanna ring parents now
cause gonna be no, they're gonna

955
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:40,160
pick you up.
In a kind of kick the can down

956
00:37:40,170 --> 00:37:41,930
the road, yeah, all whilst
obviously making sure the

957
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:42,570
children.
Are feeling.

958
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:47,380
I do that probably 99% of the
time and the kids 100% of the

959
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:49,340
time of my whole career.
Have never not been fine.

960
00:37:49,390 --> 00:37:50,560
Yeah.
So there's the confidence.

961
00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:53,070
I guess the confidence comes
from 9 years of doing of doing

962
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,040
that and they've never, never
once not been.

963
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:57,110
OK.
So when would you send someone

964
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,530
home?
But do do you feel like you

965
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:00,610
would benefit as well from any
guidance?

966
00:38:00,620 --> 00:38:03,270
I definitely would because I am
still blagging it really.

967
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,590
If you think I'm just maybe I'm
just lucky that actually those

968
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,580
kids are fine.
I think I've obviously, you

969
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:09,010
know, taught thousands of
children.

970
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:11,830
Now I am starting to recognise
signs when children are just

971
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
blagging it a bit.
Maybe they're just common in

972
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:16,070
there, what's it called?
But they're persistent,

973
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,690
persistently absent children.
I'm like, OK, you're clearly not

974
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,680
constantly all the time, you're
actually just OK.

975
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,910
But I would, I would benefit
from some guidance because I'd

976
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,090
like that to be a bit more of a
clear threshold because I am

977
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,100
just kind of on my own.
Yeah, I'm understanding.

978
00:38:29,110 --> 00:38:31,840
But it's when normally when kids
have actually been sick.

979
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:33,260
Yeah, and and so.
Honest.

980
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:35,240
That's a red card.
For me is, in terms of cake,

981
00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:37,740
vomited straight home to me,
straight home.

982
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:41,520
When children have any kind of
diagnosis or any sort of medical

983
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:44,550
history that I know about where
it's flaring up, it's flaring up

984
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
and I'm like, OK, this actually
is a condition.

985
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:52,260
What typically if it's a child
who has really good absence

986
00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:54,180
that?
Would be for dependence.

987
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:55,400
Really good attendance.
Sorry.

988
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:57,530
They got really, really like
really good attendance.

989
00:38:57,540 --> 00:39:00,730
Those kids that are in, when
they've got a sniffly cold, if

990
00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:03,290
they they have a bit more
credit, I think, well, I think

991
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:05,700
that's just how life works.
You know when when I know their

992
00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:07,660
parents send them in, even when
I'm thinking they are quite

993
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:11,080
poorly, if they are really
complaining about being feeling

994
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:13,800
really ill and I've done the
whole, I've banned it off till

995
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:15,710
break time over and there's
still like I've really feel

996
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,460
good.
I do generally consider bringing

997
00:39:17,470 --> 00:39:20,670
home and but I don't even then
don't say they need to come

998
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,710
home.
It's sort of like, oh, this is

999
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:22,650
the situation.
What?

1000
00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:23,710
What do you think?
Parents.

1001
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,770
Sure, because they might go.
No, they're putting it on this

1002
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:30,000
morning because they wanted to
watch the new Pok��mon. 1998.

1003
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:33,260
They wanted to watch that No
poking Man.

1004
00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:38,150
The Milky Bar kids on TV said
no, that's something 1950s.

1005
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Yeah, I guess.
I guess that's right.

1006
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:42,470
But my point is that's not
something I'm really, really

1007
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,960
confident.
And it's a theme we're gonna

1008
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:47,970
come on to again in terms of
provision and stuff like that in

1009
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:51,000
terms of a teacher for sure.
I think just to summarise that

1010
00:39:51,010 --> 00:39:54,260
point, really good idea.
But a lot of that trust has been

1011
00:39:54,270 --> 00:39:57,480
broken, I think.
I don't know what we can do to

1012
00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:59,700
build those gaps with the
government again, because even

1013
00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:01,610
when the government releases
guidance, I can imagine there

1014
00:40:01,620 --> 00:40:03,810
are a whole bunch of people go
whatever, whatever.

1015
00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:06,030
You made my kid miss months of
education.

1016
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,760
Yeah, So.
So nothing you say about how

1017
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:09,430
important education is going to
resonate with me.

1018
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,550
Because my kid was fine, and
they were.

1019
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,130
School.
I guess if schools take about

1020
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:14,330
proactive about it, it might
come from a different Ave.

1021
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:17,180
You know schools used to be
really hot on and I don't see

1022
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:18,860
this as much anymore.
This was clearly maybe an

1023
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:20,880
initiative that came from the
government Once Upon a time.

1024
00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:23,610
The whole like the posters that
were like if you miss, if you

1025
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,980
miss one day equates to this.
And the whole reading ones as

1026
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:29,110
well, like the opposite ones,
like you read for more than 10

1027
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,930
minutes a day, all these vocab
words.

1028
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:33,520
But yeah, those those kind of
like stat posters, I reckon they

1029
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:35,790
probably trickle down and I
think they had quite a big

1030
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,230
impact because I still think
about them and I think you

1031
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,610
could, yeah, I think it could
work.

1032
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:41,820
Having some guidance, I reckon
that will tackle a big chunk of

1033
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:45,460
those parents that we were
talking about earlier who really

1034
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,250
they just need to get the kids.
The kids, their kids are fine.

1035
00:40:48,260 --> 00:40:51,140
Maybe they're a bit anxious now,
but health anxiety definitely,

1036
00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:53,160
and they're and they're not
sure, so they keep them home.

1037
00:40:53,170 --> 00:40:55,400
But guidance would help them.
You guys would help those kind

1038
00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:56,410
of people.
It wouldn't help.

1039
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:59,920
We're gonna talk about now other
reasons that children are off.

1040
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,790
We're gonna talk about SND.
So children with special

1041
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,350
educational, educational needs.
Yeah.

1042
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:10,760
And also we're going to talk
about lower, lower income

1043
00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:12,060
families.
Yeah, we'll come on to that.

1044
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:14,270
We'll talk about the whole
deterrent of fines and stuff.

1045
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,010
Yeah.
And how that guidance maybe

1046
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:17,620
wouldn't.
Yeah, because it's not, that's

1047
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:18,690
not the reason they're not
coming in.

1048
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:19,790
So we get to that in a bit.
Exactly.

1049
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,980
I think what we talked about
there is very much on the

1050
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:24,640
increase in children who are
actually ill and have authorised

1051
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:26,690
illness.
There's got to be a reason why

1052
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,700
that seems to have doubled.
Kids aren't twice as sick as

1053
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:29,980
they were.
The threshold has just moved

1054
00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:31,540
back down.
Exactly right.

1055
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:34,130
So let's move on then to what
you just said because I think

1056
00:41:34,180 --> 00:41:36,900
some of the biggest barriers
that we have to absence right

1057
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:41,090
now a certain groups of
children, especially post COVID

1058
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:45,500
who are way, way, way more
likely to suffer from absence

1059
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:46,810
than any other groups of
children.

1060
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,690
And this is where I think we
need to stop pointing the finger

1061
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,410
at children parents and start
looking at the systems that we

1062
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:54,290
have in place.
So this is definitely now where

1063
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,790
we're going to be shifting from
any kind of blame on parents at

1064
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,750
all or children to systemic
failures I think.

1065
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,780
So a big I, I'd say the three
things going to talk about just

1066
00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:05,490
to talk about what you just said
there.

1067
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:08,090
SND children have special
educational needs.

1068
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:11,860
Mental health.
Yeah, since COVID is just

1069
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:16,940
unbelievable in the worst way
possible and low income and and

1070
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:18,900
the worst thing is when we have
things overlapping.

1071
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:21,250
Yeah, low income SND children
who are struggling mental

1072
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:25,190
health, it's like OK, you you're
in a situation where lower,

1073
00:42:25,330 --> 00:42:28,140
lower, lower tendencies, you
know, very understandable.

1074
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:30,860
So let's start off with these
barriers that we have.

1075
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:34,210
So with special educational
needs, this is a big thing.

1076
00:42:34,220 --> 00:42:35,520
We talked about wanting to do
something.

1077
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:36,900
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1078
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:39,460
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1079
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:40,800
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1080
00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:41,900
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followers.

1081
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:44,760
Hello everyone of you sing in
your brand new but on Instagram

1082
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:46,410
we got some messages got message
again from Kizzy.

1083
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:48,750
One of the person I talked about
how sent us an e-mail remember.

1084
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,670
Yeah and and yeah we've we've
SND.

1085
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,460
She said look guys when you do
this she's really looking

1086
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:56,010
forward to it.
When you do this you've got to

1087
00:42:56,020 --> 00:43:00,090
talk about how we are failing
our SND children essentially and

1088
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:06,160
we truly are SND children.
As class teachers we now are the

1089
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:09,910
central focal point for
providing these children with

1090
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,230
all the provision that they
need.

1091
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,740
We're the people who write there
and their IP, their health

1092
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:17,150
plans, yeah, Where the people
who write their targets, where

1093
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,870
the people who will, you know,
track how we're going to meet

1094
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,210
those targets and what we need
to put in place, whether it's

1095
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:23,960
assistance, whether it's us,
whether it's time.

1096
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:26,020
Before also have to action it
because we are their.

1097
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:27,320
Teachers, We're with them every
day.

1098
00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:28,540
And you know what?
That's that's.

1099
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:30,980
No, I don't think anyone
requires that being part of

1100
00:43:30,990 --> 00:43:33,280
their job.
The worst thing in the world

1101
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:35,720
that's happening with our send
children is now we are

1102
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:38,280
systemically failing them
because of such a lack of

1103
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:41,010
training.
Since this came in, this idea

1104
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:46,130
that the class teacher is the
lynchpin to end provision, how

1105
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:50,900
much training have we received?
As a nation funded training.

1106
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:51,980
Nothing.
Nothing.

1107
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:53,780
Nothing.
It's classic government saying

1108
00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:59,240
ohh we could just make them in
charge what this huge, huge

1109
00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:02,480
where these children are our
most needy children in the

1110
00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:05,480
country in our classroom, who of
course we put everything in for

1111
00:44:05,490 --> 00:44:08,140
them we possibly can do and
they're the the bulk of our

1112
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:09,800
attention anyway because they
have to be.

1113
00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:11,700
Yeah.
Suddenly we are now the people

1114
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:14,040
in charge of all of that with no
formal training.

1115
00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:16,910
Yeah.
If there are SND children who

1116
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,570
are struggling to get into
school because their needs are

1117
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:22,220
not being met in school and
mainstream school, which is what

1118
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:24,350
we want them to be, and we'll
come on to that in a second

1119
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,600
there.
There's nothing we can't

1120
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:29,760
magically make them get in.
I can't magically be the person

1121
00:44:29,850 --> 00:44:31,760
to get that child in on into
school.

1122
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:35,260
Yeah, it's not going to happen
until we have systemic and

1123
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:37,720
you're gonna know what it is now
in terms of what we need to have

1124
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:40,830
to solve this problem.
Money needs money.

1125
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:44,300
It's it's not a joke anymore.
This is look at the numbers.

1126
00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:47,880
So some stats SND have
significantly higher rates of

1127
00:44:47,890 --> 00:44:50,930
absence than everyone else.
A big part of that are

1128
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:52,980
legitimate absences.
So it's something we need to be

1129
00:44:52,990 --> 00:44:54,150
careful of when we talk about
this.

1130
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,130
Yeah, SND children are far more
likely to have appointments, to

1131
00:44:57,140 --> 00:45:00,770
have health visits that mean
their absence is higher and it's

1132
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:03,120
authorised.
Yeah, so we need to not make.

1133
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:05,940
Comparisons of their life that
we cannot discriminate them

1134
00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:08,780
against just because they have
like they can't help not being

1135
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:11,290
in school for those appointments
and those anything related to

1136
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:13,010
the to the reason they're you
know.

1137
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,090
And I think one of the biggest
issues we've got with SND

1138
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:20,160
children, and that rate of
absence is mainstream schools

1139
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,600
have to be the place where we
aim to have children.

1140
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:24,800
Hmm.
However, for that to be the

1141
00:45:24,810 --> 00:45:26,480
case, we need the correct
support.

1142
00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:28,790
Umm, we're in a real limbo at
the minute.

1143
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,250
We're in a massive limbo in
education where we're failing

1144
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,470
these children because we're not
providing enough support in

1145
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,980
mainstream schools for them.
But we're pretending that that's

1146
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:37,080
still the place for them right
now.

1147
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:39,560
Yeah, it needs to be the place
for them.

1148
00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:43,060
But they there's simply not
enough funding or money in place

1149
00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:45,720
to be able to do that.
It it it we're not magic.

1150
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,440
We can't magic up this.
Support.

1151
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:51,430
It's like, it's like having a GP
who hasn't done the training

1152
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,090
yet.
Well, you know, do you know what

1153
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:56,850
I mean in terms of like if we're
sat there, if you just happen,

1154
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,570
if you just happen because it's
potluck.

1155
00:45:58,660 --> 00:46:01,230
If you just happen to have four
children in your class with

1156
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:05,510
very, very individualised
learning needs that it's crucial

1157
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,880
that we meet for them right as
an individual.

1158
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:10,360
And it's so important and it and
it should be so important and

1159
00:46:10,370 --> 00:46:11,670
what I'm saying we should take
this away.

1160
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,850
Absolutely.
Absolutely is our job to meet

1161
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:17,790
those children's needs.
It's not going to happen if no

1162
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,890
one has given the teacher me
whoever is in this situation any

1163
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:24,110
training on it other than his.
Here's a report that you can

1164
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,230
read about their their his
report.

1165
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,040
You can read our news.
You've got to write the next

1166
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:29,050
three.
Yeah.

1167
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:30,130
Yeah.
And know exactly what they.

1168
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:33,040
Sometimes I find it's like ohh
here's here's eight page report

1169
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:35,650
like the summary of the
diagnosis child they now you

1170
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:37,420
know what condition they have or
whatever it is.

1171
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:40,050
Yeah, I'm like.
So I've got to write a report

1172
00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:45,730
for some of ADHD and some with
high functioning ASD and also

1173
00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:50,070
someone who's got a medical, you
know, a diabetes, you know,

1174
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:52,120
monitor.
And we need to be sure, oh oh,

1175
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:54,330
I've got to completely
understand all three of them and

1176
00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:56,340
put things in place and have no
extra funding or training

1177
00:46:56,350 --> 00:46:57,680
whatsoever.
All time to do so.

1178
00:46:57,690 --> 00:47:01,430
Ohh, OK And then their parents
keep them at home because maybe

1179
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,610
their needs aren't being
completely met by the system.

1180
00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:05,560
Ohh, I wonder.
Yeah, should we fix that?

1181
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:06,770
Let's just get them in, shall
we?

1182
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:07,800
Let's just point the.
Finger.

1183
00:47:07,810 --> 00:47:10,140
Ohh Dylan, it costs money.
It costs money.

1184
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:11,460
It costs money.
It costs money.

1185
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:13,070
I It makes me.
Angry.

1186
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,980
That means we can't.
It makes me angry though.

1187
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:18,030
I I'm actually getting annoyed
just thinking about it, that if

1188
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,740
there are children who have
special educational needs, who

1189
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:26,900
it Hello, it's in the title.
We cannot pretend that these

1190
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:30,730
needs can be met Willy nilly
until the government step up and

1191
00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:32,320
put funding in place in the
right places.

1192
00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:33,850
Don't just throw money at
nothing.

1193
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,820
Training support.
Mm-hmm. 1 to 1 provision when

1194
00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:41,340
needed.
If the aim is going to be to

1195
00:47:41,350 --> 00:47:44,040
have them in the mainstream,
which it should be, as much as

1196
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:45,280
it's possible.
For every child.

1197
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:48,030
Obviously not for every child,
but for most children, the

1198
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,930
number one aim should be
mainstream until then.

1199
00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:53,470
I'd be interested just before we
move on to the next point about

1200
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,270
mental health.
Just sticking with that for a

1201
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,360
second.
The mainstream school, that's

1202
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:58,140
only part that triggered me when
I was reading that committee

1203
00:47:58,150 --> 00:48:00,620
report when it when it was
saying these children should be

1204
00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:04,140
in mainstream school and only be
using specialist schools as like

1205
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:06,270
intervention almost rather than
in all the time.

1206
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:09,710
And I was like no because I
would I'd like to know based on

1207
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,710
the system.
I mean how many times is all our

1208
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,670
teacher listeners out there.
Have you in the past had a child

1209
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,910
in your class where you've maybe
had a conversation with that and

1210
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,690
be like oh they just need to be
they shouldn't be here they

1211
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:22,490
shouldn't be here they should be
at a specialist school and and

1212
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,160
that really if you really break
that down.

1213
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:26,570
I've done that many, many, many
times over my career.

1214
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:28,390
That shouldn't be the
conversation we're having.

1215
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,310
The conversation should that we
should be having is cool.

1216
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,590
So what can we access now?
This I've, I've entered,

1217
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,380
identified that this kid is not
coping well just in the

1218
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:38,360
mainstream setting with no
extreme intervention.

1219
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:40,620
What what have we got in place?
What can we do?

1220
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:42,600
What funding have we got?
What training and resources have

1221
00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:45,900
we got to help them.
If we had a good government we

1222
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:48,190
would be able to have that
dialogue and it wouldn't result

1223
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,950
in us being like, I feel like
I'm failing this child because

1224
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,630
I've got nothing that I can do
in my resources or my time or

1225
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:56,840
train.
There's nothing's been put in

1226
00:48:56,850 --> 00:48:59,400
place for this kid.
That's the problem.

1227
00:48:59,470 --> 00:49:01,410
It's really changed my mind on
it because I was a bit triggered

1228
00:49:01,420 --> 00:49:04,010
at first about that and now I'm
like, no, it's just the system's

1229
00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:04,720
broken.
It's not.

1230
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:06,940
It's not.
It's not me I I should be

1231
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:08,750
getting the training, I should
be getting the resources.

1232
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,540
I can help that kid happily and
not feel like I'm letting them

1233
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:13,340
down.
It's teacher guilt is the worst

1234
00:49:13,350 --> 00:49:14,620
thing in the world.
Yeah, it's the worst thing in

1235
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:16,850
the world.
Because as soon as those 30 odd

1236
00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:19,890
kids walk through your door,
they're your children for three

1237
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,350
years, and no matter what their
needs are, you want to meet

1238
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,770
every single of those child
needs.

1239
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:28,310
It might be that one child has a
need of simply having a chat

1240
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,670
with them every now and then,
and then not on an SD register,

1241
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,430
but you individually learn their
needs.

1242
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,610
Because good teachers do that.
There's another child who needs

1243
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:38,560
1 to 1 support every single day.
I'd feel you don't have that

1244
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:40,040
either.
So stressed.

1245
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:43,360
If I just happened to have a
class in the future where where

1246
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:45,500
it was like, OK, you got five
children in your class with

1247
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:49,130
individual healthcare plans, I'd
be like, I'd feel really, really

1248
00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:50,800
stressed and I'd almost I'd
panic about.

1249
00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:52,570
I don't want to do it.
Because also you've got a child

1250
00:49:52,580 --> 00:49:54,590
who's got English as initial
language, by the way.

1251
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,740
Yeah, class as well.
And also you've got a class

1252
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:59,090
where there's just consistent
absences and just because.

1253
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,400
They could be really easy to for
someone to turn around to me and

1254
00:50:01,410 --> 00:50:03,370
be like, ohh, you just wanna
help, you don't help those kids.

1255
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:04,520
Yeah.
It's like, no, no, that's not

1256
00:50:04,530 --> 00:50:06,400
what would make me stress.
I'd be stressed because I know I

1257
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:08,640
won't get any support and I've
just got to do it off my own

1258
00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:10,980
back and I'm somehow and I might
not do it very well because I

1259
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:13,320
don't know.
I need the training when, when

1260
00:50:13,330 --> 00:50:15,780
their needs aren't met, the
finger points to you.

1261
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:17,860
Yeah, Not the system that's
broken.

1262
00:50:17,950 --> 00:50:19,510
No, no, no.
Because we made the teacher that

1263
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,310
you're in charge.
Yeah.

1264
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,630
So there's a reason why it's,
obviously.

1265
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,190
All falls on you now anyway.
The whole, yeah, it's all a big,

1266
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,010
horrible circle there.
I think maybe you can see that

1267
00:50:26,020 --> 00:50:28,510
from our analogies, but it's
very broken.

1268
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,930
We need an intervention of
funding and training from the

1269
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:31,650
government.
Guess what?

1270
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:32,690
We won't get it.
We might get it.

1271
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:34,470
Actually, we might get it just
before the election.

1272
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,340
When?
They re election.

1273
00:50:35,350 --> 00:50:38,070
No one's gonna vote for.
Them this election year guys

1274
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,390
might get something from the
frontline here to teachers.

1275
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:41,750
It's broken.
It's broken.

1276
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,510
Another big thing obviously send
provision for a long time.

1277
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,890
I think it's become more and
more mainstream in terms of

1278
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,650
this, this, you know, these
children have these needs.

1279
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,320
It was brushed under the carpet.
It still existed back in the 70s

1280
00:50:53,330 --> 00:50:55,210
and 80s and 90s.
But it's much more in the

1281
00:50:55,220 --> 00:50:57,970
forefront now, much more
accepted, much more mainstream,

1282
00:50:57,980 --> 00:51:00,170
let's say, for it to be
accepted.

1283
00:51:00,180 --> 00:51:02,390
And yeah, OK, we, we understand
this.

1284
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,170
Do we get the help?
No.

1285
00:51:03,180 --> 00:51:05,920
But we know it's a thing.
Sorry, one really quick point I.

1286
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:08,270
Know you want to move on, but
I've spoke to a lot of older

1287
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,770
people who say to me, yeah,
those kids just weren't at

1288
00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:14,510
school back in my day and they
almost see it as a it's such a

1289
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,750
detriment for these kids to be
in mainstream school.

1290
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,960
And the irony is, right, those,
I've seen so many children on

1291
00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:23,990
the SND register with severe
needs that have absolutely

1292
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,270
thrived at mainstream school and
and almost definitely achieved a

1293
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,390
better, the best version of
themselves at that school.

1294
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,630
Maybe compared to if they went
to a special school where they

1295
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,910
might have been, they might just
not have had as many, you know,

1296
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,900
the same social aspects.
Everything.

1297
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:39,450
Yeah.
And but it's funny because

1298
00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:41,350
people would be like, oh, it's
such a detriment, isn't it?

1299
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,640
They've now been shoved into
mainstream school and it's like,

1300
00:51:43,650 --> 00:51:45,920
no, it shouldn't be because if
the funding was there, would be

1301
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:47,570
the best thing ever happened to
them.

1302
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,410
It just isn't quite there.
I think on that point, there are

1303
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:53,220
some children who thrive going,
especially schools.

1304
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:55,120
Yeah, of course.
So I think the overall point

1305
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:56,800
here has to be, yeah, guess
what?

1306
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:59,000
Special educational needs is
really individualised and

1307
00:51:59,010 --> 00:52:01,110
there's no shortcut to doing it
properly other than fully

1308
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,510
funding.
And it's not doing what used to

1309
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,360
happen, which is anyone remotely
come all the way to put them all

1310
00:52:05,370 --> 00:52:07,330
into the specialist.
Some of those children probably

1311
00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:09,060
shouldn't be there.
They would actually be better in

1312
00:52:09,070 --> 00:52:10,460
mainstream school with a bit of
support.

1313
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:14,380
Every individual child with
special educational needs really

1314
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:15,370
does need.
Yeah, of course.

1315
00:52:15,380 --> 00:52:18,260
So special attention, individual
plan, It's unbelievable.

1316
00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:19,540
Anyway, go on.
Yeah, yeah.

1317
00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,980
Since COVID I.
Think this is a big thing for.

1318
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:22,600
Adults as well.
So obviously listening to this,

1319
00:52:22,610 --> 00:52:23,900
you're an adult.
Hello adult.

1320
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:27,360
You also have noticed a big dip
in the mental health of the

1321
00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:29,140
nation ever since.
And again, I think this is

1322
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:31,840
slightly behind SND becoming
more mainstream and acceptable,

1323
00:52:31,890 --> 00:52:33,460
but we're definitely getting
there rapidly now.

1324
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:37,000
I think especially after COVID
where it's OK to say mental

1325
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:38,970
health is physical health and
it's just as important.

1326
00:52:38,980 --> 00:52:41,960
And they're both intertwined
mental health since COVID.

1327
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:46,160
Again, huge rise and I think
this is indescribably linked.

1328
00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:47,980
Indescribable in deniable.
Linked.

1329
00:52:48,050 --> 00:52:50,090
Undeniably linked To get my
prefixes right.

1330
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:53,800
Words undeniably linked to the
COVID pandemic and being trapped

1331
00:52:53,810 --> 00:52:55,640
indoors.
Yeah, we did it for a reason.

1332
00:52:55,650 --> 00:52:57,460
Which was good.
I'm not one of these people who

1333
00:52:57,470 --> 00:53:00,000
think that COVID was made-up.
I'm not one of these people

1334
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:02,740
who's gonna be like, ohh, there
was all these bloody scientists.

1335
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:05,140
No, no, no, it was for a really
good reason.

1336
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:07,640
But let's not pretend that it
didn't have a massive detriment

1337
00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:09,380
in a different way.
Which was meant we need to deal

1338
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:10,240
with now.
Yeah, we have to.

1339
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:11,480
Deal with that now.
We can't pretend.

1340
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:13,580
It was not a thing just because
we had to do it.

1341
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:16,460
So again, another one of these
things.

1342
00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:18,880
It's funding and going to sound
like a broken record.

1343
00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:22,180
The child of mental health
service CC AMHS.

1344
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:24,280
You may have seen it, especially
if you're a teacher.

1345
00:53:24,730 --> 00:53:28,450
This is a service where it's to
help mental health with

1346
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:30,560
children.
And the amount of children

1347
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:33,560
experiencing mental health
problems has rocketed both in

1348
00:53:33,570 --> 00:53:35,560
primary school and especially in
secondary schools.

1349
00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:38,540
Reach adolescence even more so.
I'm a secondary school teacher

1350
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:39,240
now.
Sure.

1351
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:42,200
I've got a child, I've
identified maybe over a series

1352
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:45,540
of time, who is whose mental
health is seriously declining

1353
00:53:45,550 --> 00:53:47,190
and it's affecting their
absence, affecting their

1354
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:50,060
massively.
So what you're telling me is I

1355
00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:53,180
can contact child mental health
services and they all be able to

1356
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:54,900
receive some services to help?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1357
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:57,640
In about three years, Yeah.
Because the waiting list for

1358
00:53:57,650 --> 00:54:00,520
these things.
Because post COVID huge need for

1359
00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:02,420
it.
But nothing's happened in terms

1360
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:04,260
of funding.
Nothing's happened in terms of

1361
00:54:04,270 --> 00:54:06,940
widening this.
It's inaccessible.

1362
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:09,340
This service is now.
It's years for rating this year

1363
00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:11,530
like 18 months.
That is too.

1364
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:14,020
That's 18 months of children not
getting into school.

1365
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:16,180
And more importantly by the way,
I know we're focusing on

1366
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:18,640
children getting into school.
That's 18 months with someone

1367
00:54:18,650 --> 00:54:21,510
suffering from mental health
problems without being helped.

1368
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,980
Yeah, like, just look at the
bottom line here of we're not

1369
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:26,540
helping our children who are
suffering from mental health

1370
00:54:26,550 --> 00:54:28,420
issues.
It's disgusting.

1371
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:31,660
And one of the things the
committee say here is hello.

1372
00:54:31,710 --> 00:54:34,020
This by the way this also needs
funding.

1373
00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:37,060
Please government, can you
please put some money into this.

1374
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,270
It was a really good thing I
think from the committee which

1375
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,230
which has to happen.
They said every secondary school

1376
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,650
urgently, never mind primary
school by the way, just

1377
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:46,750
secondary school cause it is a
big problem in secondary school

1378
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,810
and we know it's problem in
primary.

1379
00:54:48,820 --> 00:54:51,850
But at least they said every
secondary school urgently their

1380
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:55,750
words needs funding for mental
health provision by 2025.

1381
00:54:55,830 --> 00:54:58,890
That includes training staff on
what to look out for, where to

1382
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,070
go.
And there's no point training

1383
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,890
staff and making sure as
teachers know what to look out

1384
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,470
for mental health unless
professionals are going to come

1385
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,270
in and help them as well.
We need money ploughed into

1386
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,210
this.
Isn't there a hilarious loop in

1387
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:13,520
this?
System as well as even even

1388
00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:16,280
worse, where I know we've write
down notes, but you know more

1389
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:17,640
about this about them.
Not so.

1390
00:55:17,650 --> 00:55:21,340
Currently an absence for mental
health is recorded as an

1391
00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:24,820
unauthorised absence because you
need medical, you need medical

1392
00:55:24,830 --> 00:55:28,620
evidence for it to go to go down
as a legitimate medical reason

1393
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:30,200
and you can't get the medical
evidence.

1394
00:55:30,210 --> 00:55:31,310
There's a two year waiting.
Exactly.

1395
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,920
I'm just like, Oh my God, that's
horrible loop of a lot of the

1396
00:55:33,930 --> 00:55:34,920
unauthorised.
Absences.

1397
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:36,060
Our mental health?
Yeah.

1398
00:55:36,070 --> 00:55:37,920
So a big thing the committee
have said as well is they need

1399
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:39,760
another code.
You see voter registers anyone

1400
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:42,200
doesn't know when you do
register M is absent for

1401
00:55:42,210 --> 00:55:43,880
medical.
Yeah, C might be like an

1402
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:45,230
authorised absence for a
different reason.

1403
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,030
Maybe you're going to like a
family in different schools have

1404
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,000
different.
Yeah, different.

1405
00:55:48,010 --> 00:55:50,630
So it's all coded.
But they're saying we need a

1406
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,080
code for mental health issues so
that it is authorised still and

1407
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:56,110
then we can track it because at
the minute it's just down as an

1408
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,170
authorised.
It's the same as someone just

1409
00:55:58,180 --> 00:56:00,080
being late.
Yeah, it's the same as someone

1410
00:56:00,340 --> 00:56:01,830
not being bothered to come in
from warning.

1411
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,060
It's the same on the register as
someone who's suffering from

1412
00:56:04,070 --> 00:56:05,670
mental health and we're not
tracking it properly.

1413
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,530
Then it is.
Stupid.

1414
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:08,440
It's a stupid start, isn't it?
We're not tracking it properly,

1415
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:11,170
then we can't really make proper
analysis of what's going on.

1416
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:13,000
No, not at all.
I just think.

1417
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:16,760
One of the overarching themes
here is obviously funding

1418
00:56:16,830 --> 00:56:19,360
another overarching theme for
me, and it's something I'm

1419
00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:21,840
really frustrated with as
someone who cares.

1420
00:56:21,850 --> 00:56:24,850
And I said this on our story,
right, that we became teachers

1421
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:26,300
because we care about children,
right?

1422
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:28,680
We came teachers because we want
what's best for the children.

1423
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:31,620
I think it's really important as
someone, as people who care

1424
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:35,400
about our kids massively seeing
this happen is is so

1425
00:56:35,410 --> 00:56:37,900
frustrating.
And what's even more frustrating

1426
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:41,000
is when the government
especially tried to pretend that

1427
00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:43,270
we're the experts and
everything, and I think we need

1428
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,870
to normalise as teachers, saying
that we absolutely are not the

1429
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,910
experts.
Everything.

1430
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,490
I'm really good at planning and
delivering maths lessons.

1431
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,890
I'm really quite good at taking
a curriculum, understanding how

1432
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:58,490
children learn, mapping that out
to my class, responding as I go,

1433
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,490
assessing as I go, changing my
learning as I go, getting the

1434
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:04,020
children to an endpoint.
And by the way, as I've been

1435
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:06,090
going through, not because of
any formal training, but I feel

1436
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,510
like I'm good at building
relationships with children and

1437
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,440
knowing their needs and meeting
their needs as much as possible.

1438
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:14,070
I'm an expert in teaching, an
expert at teaching.

1439
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,480
Like, there's a lot of really
good, amazing teachers out

1440
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:18,490
there.
Everyone I've worked with is an

1441
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,110
expert teacher.
They're fantastic and if they're

1442
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,650
early in their career they're
learning and they're bloody

1443
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:25,830
brilliant as well because
they've got the drive and the

1444
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,640
passion.
What I cannot pretend that I am

1445
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:32,960
is someone who can adequately
spot mental health trauma.

1446
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:36,260
I'm not someone who can
adequately adequately say what a

1447
00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:39,100
child needs in terms of a
provision for a very, very

1448
00:57:39,110 --> 00:57:41,280
individualised special
educational need they have.

1449
00:57:41,350 --> 00:57:43,070
I'm not trained properly in
that.

1450
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,870
So when probably do it to a
surface.

1451
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,700
Level, but not an expert.
I'm not an expert, so we.

1452
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:51,860
Need to stop pretending that
this can be brushed under the

1453
00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:54,610
carpet.
This, this cannot be solved by

1454
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:56,760
just saying, well, you know,
here are the problems.

1455
00:57:56,770 --> 00:58:00,940
Teachers, if you go, no, we need
people in school, experts in

1456
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:03,970
school training delivered to
make me an expert in something,

1457
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:07,290
if you want me to be or people
who are experts because you know

1458
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:10,000
what, it's a whole profession.
Understanding mental health is

1459
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:12,410
an entire profession.
Understanding dyslexia is an

1460
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:15,190
entire profession.
Understanding ADHD is an entire

1461
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,750
profession.
Like to be an expert, that takes

1462
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,040
years and years of learning
about it and doing it in

1463
00:58:20,050 --> 00:58:22,390
schools.
We cannot pretend that class

1464
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,380
teachers are that we are not.
We need support.

1465
00:58:25,390 --> 00:58:28,340
It's the only way this is ever
going to change that my brother

1466
00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:30,000
I'm into.
That well, Dylan, that was that

1467
00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:31,040
was very passionate.
Very good.

1468
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:32,900
I enjoyed listening to that.
We are gonna have a quick Jingle

1469
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:35,330
break.
No, it's this is normally about

1470
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:37,340
how long our episodes are.
But join us after the jungle

1471
00:58:37,350 --> 00:58:38,980
because we're gonna carry on.
We got one more topic we're

1472
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:41,910
going to be talking about.
Find out after the Jingle.

1473
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:46,150
OK, Welcome.
Back Well done for the whole

1474
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:46,920
second to.
Find out.

1475
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,710
We know how to keep you here.
Anyway, Dylan, got a question

1476
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,750
for you.
The problem You can be a bit

1477
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,680
embarrassed now because you've
been talking about this for an

1478
00:58:54,690 --> 00:58:56,110
hour.
Government have kind of solved

1479
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,170
it, haven't they?
Have already solved this issue.

1480
00:58:58,180 --> 00:59:00,050
What have they done?
Have missed it.

1481
00:59:00,220 --> 00:59:02,050
When?
When kids don't come to school.

1482
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,290
You just give them a.
Fine.

1483
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,620
Ohh I.
Have solved the problem because

1484
00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:08,300
if you.
Don't bring your kids to school.

1485
00:59:08,310 --> 00:59:10,560
We're gonna find you.
As the government said, fines

1486
00:59:10,570 --> 00:59:11,950
are famously great.
Yeah.

1487
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,920
For deterring everything, yeah.
So.

1488
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:14,810
But someone?
What was it?

1489
00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:16,500
Someone.
Said to me before, like find

1490
00:59:17,290 --> 00:59:19,300
finds out only a system for the
poor.

1491
00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:21,560
Yeah, that's all they are
because the rich don't care.

1492
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:23,580
Think about traffic, traffic
fines, right?

1493
00:59:23,590 --> 00:59:27,420
Parking fines, OK, if you're if
you're incredibly rich, right?

1494
00:59:28,050 --> 00:59:29,820
OK, let me start this whole
analogy again.

1495
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:32,600
If you go and put on a double
yellow line, let's say it's a

1496
00:59:32,610 --> 00:59:34,980
��60 fine.
OK, if you go and pay for

1497
00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:39,430
parking, it's like 3 LB.
Yeah, so oz, ��3.60 quid lemon

1498
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,690
out.
I'm going to go and get my gonna

1499
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:43,820
go and pay my 3 lbs.
I don't get 6 LB point when you

1500
00:59:43,830 --> 00:59:48,370
earn 100 times more than I do.
Yeah, 3 LB is 60 LB and the

1501
00:59:48,380 --> 00:59:50,370
rest.
So it's that, you know I don't

1502
00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:53,030
have to pay anything because I'm
rich and if I do get caught

1503
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,830
every now and then it's less
proportionately than that.

1504
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,530
All you guys are going OK.
It costs me 60.

1505
00:59:57,540 --> 00:59:59,240
Pounds to park my car here.
That's the way that's the

1506
00:59:59,250 --> 01:00:01,640
analogy when I get caught.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1507
01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:02,460
Which?
Is not even all the.

1508
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:05,550
Time, so you know.
What do you think about in terms

1509
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,860
of that?
Would you have a, a, a scale for

1510
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:11,080
rich people like a percentage of
your income for like parking

1511
01:00:11,090 --> 01:00:13,080
fines and stuff?
Imagine it's a big thing.

1512
01:00:13,090 --> 01:00:14,960
Well, because speeding fines
like that.

1513
01:00:15,050 --> 01:00:17,020
And I think you know that now
they they've changed over the

1514
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:19,500
years like speeding fines used
to be flat fees but now they are

1515
01:00:19,710 --> 01:00:23,140
like over certain types of fines
anyway, certain such as speeding

1516
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:24,400
things.
It's like it's on your weekly

1517
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:25,460
income now.
Yeah, I think it's good.

1518
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:27,220
It's like you get fined a weeks
income.

1519
01:00:27,230 --> 01:00:29,150
I saw someone trying to defend
that I think is one of the.

1520
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,480
Side men that's we're gonna have
a whole episode by the way and

1521
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:33,540
side men and their influence on
children.

1522
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:35,590
It wasn't.
It was another one of the crew

1523
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,760
that do he tried to.
Defend on a.

1524
01:00:38,770 --> 01:00:41,320
YouTube short that absolutely
shouldn't be to do your money.

1525
01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:43,100
It's not my fault that I've got
more money than you.

1526
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:46,180
I was and then and then his
co-host was like yeah, but it

1527
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:47,830
obviously should though
shouldn't do you know what a

1528
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,440
deterrent is.
It's not a deterrent for you

1529
01:00:49,450 --> 01:00:50,690
because you're talking about
doing it.

1530
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:52,510
Yeah, it's not a deterrent you
anymore.

1531
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,120
Then it's not a.
Deterrent Exactly.

1532
01:00:54,130 --> 01:00:56,140
It has to be a deterrent for
everyone because you might have

1533
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:57,660
to scale.
Ohh, it's only for poor people

1534
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:59,600
Anyway, why are we talking?
About the terms and fines anyway

1535
01:00:59,610 --> 01:01:01,600
because OK, so the current in
the current.

1536
01:01:01,610 --> 01:01:04,190
System.
You know schools are able to

1537
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,100
issue a fine.
So if you're if you're

1538
01:01:06,110 --> 01:01:09,220
persistently and we'll talk
about the kind of rules I guess

1539
01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:11,140
of like when you're supposed to
find and and the committee is

1540
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:15,400
given guidance on it, fine.
So fines have been proven to

1541
01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:19,240
have an impact in getting
children back to school so that

1542
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:22,270
they're not completely useless.
But you know with everything

1543
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,080
there are pros and cons and
there are a lot of cons to

1544
01:01:25,090 --> 01:01:27,090
fines.
Yeah, I don't like them.

1545
01:01:27,870 --> 01:01:29,240
So you've got.
Yeah, I'm just gonna.

1546
01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:30,570
Jump the gun.
Here and just kind of.

1547
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:33,220
I think that's what you were
getting because I don't really

1548
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:34,280
like them.
No.

1549
01:01:34,330 --> 01:01:37,100
I think there's two reasons for
this.

1550
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:40,970
Number one I would say on the
current climate everything we've

1551
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:43,820
just spoken about Do you think
are fine would solve them

1552
01:01:43,830 --> 01:01:45,960
problems.
So do you think are fine would

1553
01:01:45,970 --> 01:01:48,610
solve the problem of send
children not get their prison

1554
01:01:48,620 --> 01:01:50,180
they need.
Do you think are fine would then

1555
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:53,580
be like ohh suddenly my kid can
come in my my answer is just

1556
01:01:53,590 --> 01:01:55,700
reality the.
Finds existed before COVID, They

1557
01:01:55,710 --> 01:01:57,870
existed through COVID.
They still still exist now and

1558
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,430
all these problems will happen.
So I don't think they'll fix it

1559
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,810
because they aren't fixing it
and they exist.

1560
01:02:01,890 --> 01:02:03,980
Yeah, that's such a good point.
But they do have some impact.

1561
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:06,010
You know, I don't think I.
Don't necessarily think, I

1562
01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:08,020
wouldn't jump straight to you
get rid of them because I do

1563
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:09,500
think they probably have a
place.

1564
01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:13,950
There are probably some specific
situations in which maybe a

1565
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,490
parent is taking the Mick, We'll
come on to that because, OK,

1566
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:19,320
let's do it right now actually.
Because there are some.

1567
01:02:19,550 --> 01:02:23,280
There are some instances where
you might be in a primary

1568
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:25,810
school, let's just say, and then
two roads away there's another

1569
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:28,050
school.
The exact same absences have

1570
01:02:28,060 --> 01:02:31,990
happened and because at the
minute it's down to the whim of

1571
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,850
the head teacher to decide when
is suitable for a fine, they've

1572
01:02:34,860 --> 01:02:37,510
got to meet a threshold.
But once that threshold is met

1573
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:40,800
they don't have to issue a fine.
It's still down to the head

1574
01:02:40,810 --> 01:02:42,270
teacher.
Yeah, so you could have two

1575
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,490
schools, 2 absences, 2
backgrounds, exactly the same

1576
01:02:44,500 --> 01:02:46,970
low income families.
One's getting shafted for ��80

1577
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,310
which is a huge proportion of
their weekly income of their

1578
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,020
monthly income.
It might mean that they go

1579
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:52,480
without food for a bit.
Hmm.

1580
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,590
And one family is just getting
away Scott free.

1581
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,070
What you're saying is OK, yeah,
there should be some fines, but

1582
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,570
maybe it should be like
individualised basis.

1583
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,820
That's kind of what we've got
now.

1584
01:03:01,830 --> 01:03:04,100
And it's not, yeah, I guess so.
It probably isn't working very

1585
01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:05,410
well, so.
Maybe we do need again a bit

1586
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:08,110
more guidance on where and how
this is to be used or like you

1587
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,300
said, just a better system
maybe.

1588
01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:12,910
I guess my point is I wouldn't
want to scrap finds if we had

1589
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,570
nothing else in place.
Sure, if we had, if the other

1590
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:19,330
option was 0 to Terrence, I just
don't think you know it has some

1591
01:03:19,340 --> 01:03:21,120
impact.
Can I explain why I think we

1592
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:22,900
should get rid of.
Them and I'm absolutely on the

1593
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:25,130
side of, even if there was
nothing in place, I think.

1594
01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:28,030
Just get rid of them.
Because although there's been a

1595
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,590
minimal, minimal difference
here, I do think that, and this

1596
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,160
is backed up by the evidence of
the committee, Low Income

1597
01:03:34,170 --> 01:03:36,900
Families, one of the last kind
of groups of people we're going

1598
01:03:36,910 --> 01:03:40,360
to talk about who have been much
more impacted by absence,

1599
01:03:40,570 --> 01:03:42,840
They're much more likely to
receive, receive fines because

1600
01:03:42,850 --> 01:03:44,260
they're much more likely to be
absent.

1601
01:03:44,370 --> 01:03:49,420
I think the impact of a fine on
a low income family is

1602
01:03:49,470 --> 01:03:52,560
unbelievably huge, to the point
where even as now as

1603
01:03:52,570 --> 01:03:55,640
professionals who aren't
incredibly rich people, but we

1604
01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:57,840
are bloody well off compared to
what the people we're talking

1605
01:03:57,850 --> 01:03:59,350
about.
We've got children living in

1606
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,350
poverty who already aren't
getting enough nutrition, who

1607
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,680
already we're fighting, arguing
that we should be getting free

1608
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:08,240
meals for those people.
Yeah, if they're missing school,

1609
01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:11,650
do we think that it's ever
remotely good to say, OK, ��80

1610
01:04:11,660 --> 01:04:13,980
for these parents, I guess in my
little analogy.

1611
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:16,280
In my brain earlier, keeping the
fines, I'm never finding those

1612
01:04:16,290 --> 01:04:17,830
people.
Sure, that's the problem, but

1613
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,000
then this is the same problem.
It's down to the winner.

1614
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:23,540
I wouldn't, I wouldn't be.
When I'm talking about looking

1615
01:04:23,550 --> 01:04:25,330
at individual situations,
they're the ones I wouldn't be

1616
01:04:25,340 --> 01:04:27,170
doing it to.
But there might be other parents

1617
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:29,030
where, you know, maybe they are
well and they're on their 4th

1618
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,260
holiday.
So would you have a scale?

1619
01:04:30,270 --> 01:04:32,000
And I'd be like, oh, you've.
Got you know, you're just

1620
01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:33,320
taking.
Them because the committee say

1621
01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:34,790
it needs to be more consistent.
How it's.

1622
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:37,440
It's labelled and it feels like
what you're saying, although

1623
01:04:37,450 --> 01:04:39,590
coming from a good place is very
inconsistent.

1624
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:43,060
Yeah, which isn't Would would
you have still some rules then,

1625
01:04:43,070 --> 01:04:45,630
but just hire the if you could?
That's the problem I.

1626
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,260
Don't know if you could so my
point is because you can't just.

1627
01:04:48,270 --> 01:04:50,720
Don't have to, yeah, yeah,
Because if if one.

1628
01:04:50,730 --> 01:04:53,220
Family get.
Fined 80 quid who literally

1629
01:04:53,230 --> 01:04:55,850
can't afford ��80 and they're
behind in their rent now or the

1630
01:04:55,860 --> 01:04:59,580
child didn't get one dinner that
would annoy me more than five

1631
01:04:59,590 --> 01:05:01,200
rich families getting away on
holiday.

1632
01:05:01,210 --> 01:05:02,750
What They could just sent their
kid into school.

1633
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,510
So what are the barriers?
My question here So what are the

1634
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:06,800
barriers?
Why are these kids not going

1635
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:08,030
mental health?
Everything.

1636
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,710
We just talked.
About, Yeah, there's definitely

1637
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,810
authorised, right, the fine.
Isn't isn't talking about

1638
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:13,270
wouldn't be.
No, mental health wouldn't be

1639
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,650
SND if the things aren't in
place for our mainstream school.

1640
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:17,670
We see it all the time.
If the mainstream don't have the

1641
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:18,810
funding, we just talked about
it.

1642
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,910
They're they're going to be
unauthorised absence because the

1643
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,560
kid doesn't want to come in
because it knows that he's going

1644
01:05:22,570 --> 01:05:23,900
to have the worst time ever in
school.

1645
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:24,860
There's nothing in there to
help.

1646
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:26,770
So for low income families, what
other barriers are there?

1647
01:05:26,780 --> 01:05:28,770
Then to their attendance, well,
we've got the ones you know

1648
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:31,450
because yeah, income families is
higher proportion.

1649
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,740
So everything we talked about,
it's more like.

1650
01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:35,990
Affect them so far.
But there's other things in the

1651
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,830
cost of living crisis right now.
Transport.

1652
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,810
Getting into school?
Yeah, If the car breaks down,

1653
01:05:39,820 --> 01:05:41,290
you don't have money to fix the
car.

1654
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:43,650
You can't enter school unless
you use public transport.

1655
01:05:43,660 --> 01:05:45,170
Use public transport.
There might be delays.

1656
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:46,960
You might be late to work.
You've got.

1657
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:49,290
You there's other stuff that you
you need to get into work for

1658
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:50,990
certain.
Times like that, the other thing

1659
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,890
uniform costs through the roof.
If you're in a draconian school.

1660
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:56,170
And I know if these schools
where they're very, very, very

1661
01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:58,210
strict on what you've got to
wear and where it's got to come

1662
01:05:58,220 --> 01:05:59,590
from.
It's got to come from this

1663
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,390
school shop, which, by the way,
we're affiliated with.

1664
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,450
And we take a profit from making
school, by the way, not free at

1665
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:06,130
the point of delivery because
you're forcing them to spend

1666
01:06:06,140 --> 01:06:08,480
hundreds of pounds on uniform.
But you've got to get from this

1667
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:11,040
supplier who we work with and
it's got to be a a blazer with

1668
01:06:11,050 --> 01:06:13,170
our badge on it and it's got to
be a jumper with our badge on it

1669
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:15,280
and a tie.
It's absolute nonsense.

1670
01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:17,680
So, you know, uniform costs,
that's one thing that can come

1671
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:18,830
in.
I think it should be a

1672
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,360
government.
I think it should be a law, I

1673
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:22,730
guess, where schools aren't
allowed to have branded things

1674
01:06:22,810 --> 01:06:25,790
as as compulsory.
They can have them, but they

1675
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,750
cannot be compulsory.
You should be allowed to go into

1676
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,910
next.
Sorry.

1677
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,570
Go into what's the Florence and
Fred in Tesco.

1678
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:32,810
Yeah.
You should be allowed to go into

1679
01:06:32,820 --> 01:06:36,140
George Asda, get a 3 LB example
of that screen and that should

1680
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:37,800
that should be absolutely fine.
Yeah, couple of them up.

1681
01:06:37,810 --> 01:06:39,680
Done.
So really then we can summarise

1682
01:06:39,690 --> 01:06:44,280
that any, any cost associated
with attending school is

1683
01:06:44,290 --> 01:06:47,190
obviously a huge part of the
reason that low income families

1684
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,660
have have worse attendance,
absolutely and guess what the

1685
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:52,210
committee are.
Suggesting that that cost is

1686
01:06:52,220 --> 01:06:55,860
covered by the government.
There is no quick fix to this

1687
01:06:55,930 --> 01:06:59,010
like so much in our society
these days with NHS waiting

1688
01:06:59,020 --> 01:07:03,440
lists, with GP practises, with
schools, there is no fix other

1689
01:07:03,450 --> 01:07:07,090
than stumping up the money.
We've got to stump up the money,

1690
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:09,420
we've got to pay for low income
families to get their children

1691
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:11,910
into school.
If there's any cost incurred

1692
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,530
from getting your child to
school, which is a basic human

1693
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:19,210
right by the way, an education
should be covered in my opinion

1694
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,270
in these instances.
Now devil's advocate right now

1695
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,590
cuz you're good at playing this
role in terms of arguing against

1696
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,780
it and we just said what we
said.

1697
01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:28,410
I think we're pretty much on the
same page.

1698
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,690
I know there were people out
there who are from low income

1699
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:33,490
families whose children go to
school every single day.

1700
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:35,300
It's a priority.
They have that mindset.

1701
01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:36,430
They're going to get in.
Cool.

1702
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:38,380
OK, We're gonna get them into
school because I'm the parent.

1703
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:40,580
I'm gonna make sure.
And we talked about at the

1704
01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:43,190
start, there is some attitude
that are a problem as well.

1705
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,350
But the low income family?
No attitude problem at all.

1706
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,170
And get my kid into school, No
problem.

1707
01:07:47,220 --> 01:07:50,840
OK Why on earth don't I get some
tax credit then why don't I get

1708
01:07:50,850 --> 01:07:52,390
some?
You know I'm spending ��30 a

1709
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,160
week, I'll get my kid into
school on transport and and and

1710
01:07:55,170 --> 01:07:56,830
and I've got them new shoes
straight away.

1711
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:58,580
When they head teacher said they
need new shoes.

1712
01:07:59,330 --> 01:08:01,280
Why is that getting paid for by
the person next door?

1713
01:08:01,290 --> 01:08:02,760
Yeah, what would be your reply
to that?

1714
01:08:02,830 --> 01:08:04,740
Well OK it's hard isn't it?
Cause the.

1715
01:08:04,750 --> 01:08:07,090
Opinion there it goes down to
the classic why are they there?

1716
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:09,580
Because they're less organised
than me and we're in the same

1717
01:08:09,590 --> 01:08:11,140
situation.
They're getting something I

1718
01:08:11,150 --> 01:08:13,100
don't get.
That's a tough one.

1719
01:08:13,110 --> 01:08:14,900
Firstly, I've.
I think if that was to come into

1720
01:08:14,910 --> 01:08:17,080
play, if it was to be funding,
then I think it should just be a

1721
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:20,200
blanket actual like an income
amount, like like a lot of

1722
01:08:20,210 --> 01:08:22,979
things are in society, like
every school in every kid.

1723
01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:24,140
In school, getting free school.
Yeah.

1724
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:25,760
I mean, yeah, it's
understanding, you know, income.

1725
01:08:25,770 --> 01:08:27,950
People, premium, whatever.
So I do think actually it's just

1726
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,479
well regardless of organised you
are, you do get that well done,

1727
01:08:30,490 --> 01:08:32,180
you managed to you were going to
sort out yourself anyway.

1728
01:08:32,189 --> 01:08:33,920
But here's the funding is
actually we want to support you

1729
01:08:33,930 --> 01:08:36,010
as a family, being a low income
family, it's fine.

1730
01:08:36,020 --> 01:08:38,149
You know maybe, maybe maybe they
can have a you can get now you

1731
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,350
can get a second jumper so when
they lose it they have to go for

1732
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,510
three days whilst you find it.
Just think you know what I mean,

1733
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,220
whatever.
So I think that that shouldn't

1734
01:08:44,229 --> 01:08:46,060
be an individual basis.
Maybe there should just be a

1735
01:08:46,069 --> 01:08:48,200
straight up threshold of for
help.

1736
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,069
Well, the committee did say.
Before fines are issued, fines

1737
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,260
should be a last resort.
So the committee stopped short

1738
01:08:53,270 --> 01:08:55,149
of saying get rid of fines.
Maybe I'm extreme with the view

1739
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,439
that we should have any fines at
all.

1740
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:59,300
Probably what you're saying is
maybe more sensible in terms of

1741
01:08:59,310 --> 01:09:01,550
there has to be something.
That deterrent at the end, yeah,

1742
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:02,970
fine.
But they're saying, you know,

1743
01:09:02,979 --> 01:09:05,680
attendance, mentor programmes
are coming in, attendance times

1744
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:06,590
are coming.
This attitude.

1745
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:07,060
Right.
This is.

1746
01:09:07,069 --> 01:09:08,800
So now we think about the
attitude you are saying and it

1747
01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:10,680
is true and it sounds really
harsh to say this and sometimes

1748
01:09:10,689 --> 01:09:12,460
we're really careful on this
podcast, don't offend anyone.

1749
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:14,430
But actually, end of the day,
yeah, some people do just have a

1750
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,520
terrible attitude.
They school, they're just not do

1751
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:18,439
it.
They're not doing the role.

1752
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:20,140
They're supposed to be doing
very well and they could be

1753
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:21,750
doing it better.
Their attitude is not very good

1754
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,060
towards getting their kids to
school.

1755
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,229
That is a thing.
I'm not afraid to say that, Not

1756
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,859
afraid to say no, you're right.
But so.

1757
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:28,689
So what we need to do though, is
not just moan about them.

1758
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:31,140
That's that's a terrible,
terrible Tory mindset.

1759
01:09:31,210 --> 01:09:33,040
He's moan about them and say,
well, they should be better.

1760
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:34,029
Like me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1761
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,050
That's not how it works.
We should then be doing

1762
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:37,410
something.
So what you were saying there,

1763
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:39,229
trying to interrupt you?
No, no, you start that list

1764
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:40,970
again.
These are things that, well,

1765
01:09:40,979 --> 01:09:42,770
they're already starting to be
rolled out in some.

1766
01:09:42,779 --> 01:09:45,210
Places, so attendance, mentors,
programmes.

1767
01:09:45,220 --> 01:09:47,050
You get like a professional to
be your mentor.

1768
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:49,750
You're the person they go to.
We we struggle getting up.

1769
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,890
This morning I'm gonna, I'm
gonna talk to Vicky because

1770
01:09:51,899 --> 01:09:54,290
Vicky's my mentor and Vicky will
talk to me and she'll keep me

1771
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:56,650
accountable, like we've always
said, with health and stuff,

1772
01:09:56,660 --> 01:09:58,100
yeah.
Or, or marketing with our

1773
01:09:58,110 --> 01:09:59,770
business.
Having someone who's gonna keep

1774
01:09:59,780 --> 01:10:03,070
you kind of culpable instead of
just drop your kids off or run

1775
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,490
off from the sequel.
Sorry they're late again.

1776
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:05,950
Yeah.
Having someone who's a mentor,

1777
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:08,710
having an attendance hub where
you get information and help

1778
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,830
from someone on how to get your
kids to school on time and

1779
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,210
things like that, that's gonna
be really important.

1780
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:15,740
And they say the committee say
this is working really well

1781
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:17,570
where it's rolling out.
Yeah, of course it is code.

1782
01:10:17,580 --> 01:10:19,430
We need it national.
Yeah, we need.

1783
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:22,050
It to be funded and we need to
be national and targeted to the

1784
01:10:22,060 --> 01:10:24,370
children who are missing.
So think about how many rich

1785
01:10:24,380 --> 01:10:28,130
people have.
Coaches because they because the

1786
01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:30,860
system of having someone to help
you think through another mind

1787
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:32,840
that keep you accountable.
I'm your coach something.

1788
01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:34,990
Look how much you and I'm your
coach is crazy.

1789
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,800
We're just like self fulfilling
prophecy.

1790
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:38,940
But yeah I think this is great.
I think this is what we need.

1791
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:42,260
But again it costs money.
It costs money to have a mentor.

1792
01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:43,430
It costs money if you can have
them.

1793
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:47,120
If you imagine you have a member
of staff every school whose job

1794
01:10:47,130 --> 01:10:48,870
from like family.
The family.

1795
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:50,920
Yeah.
Basically, but imagine if.

1796
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:53,680
Every work falls on them, yeah.
I know it does the problem, so

1797
01:10:53,690 --> 01:10:55,420
imagine had a.
Dedicated staff member or even

1798
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:58,000
just they had a dedicated amount
of funding and time to get them

1799
01:10:58,010 --> 01:11:00,340
in where every morning their
sole job is is attendance and

1800
01:11:00,350 --> 01:11:02,590
just keeping those records and
and dialogues with those

1801
01:11:02,660 --> 01:11:04,180
somebody's going and visiting
him if they need to.

1802
01:11:04,190 --> 01:11:06,860
They're not tied down to seven
other jobs and our our right now

1803
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:09,190
where they couldn't possibly do
that but they have this time OK

1804
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,050
we're gonna go and see this
family because they're really

1805
01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:13,930
struggling that child you know
that there's maybe there's

1806
01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:16,090
something undiagnosed here we
don't know yet They're a bit

1807
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:18,260
young but they're really
challenging in the morning and

1808
01:11:18,270 --> 01:11:20,720
and the and the family are
struggling to get into school

1809
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:23,390
and quite often they're just
giving in because it's upsetting

1810
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,000
them.
They're stressed, they've got to

1811
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:27,260
go to work, they get in the van
round bang, you gotta look, you

1812
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:30,930
know there's these situations
where these innocent people who

1813
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:34,820
are struggling just need help.
So you've got all these layers,

1814
01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:37,980
you've got poor attitude, you've
got genuine people who just

1815
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:39,820
really, really struggling near
the help.

1816
01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:42,220
You've got people that are just
mucking through but actually

1817
01:11:42,230 --> 01:11:44,130
still deserve the funding are
from low income families.

1818
01:11:44,140 --> 01:11:46,740
You've got 7 children, you got
children with undiagnosed

1819
01:11:46,750 --> 01:11:48,870
unauthorised mental health
issues which should be not

1820
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,270
unauthorised, they shouldn't be
getting fined because of this,

1821
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,050
they should be getting help.
So many layers and every single

1822
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:57,360
one of those layers needs money.
Precisely, precisely, you've

1823
01:11:57,370 --> 01:11:58,260
summed.
Up really well.

1824
01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:01,180
I think we can add to that list
though, because this is huge.

1825
01:12:01,330 --> 01:12:04,780
I again I'm not afraid to say I
I I come from a background when

1826
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:06,700
I was very young would be people
premium.

1827
01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:09,870
I was free school meals you know
for a long time when we were

1828
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,290
very young it was just my mum me
and my sister.

1829
01:12:12,340 --> 01:12:15,540
I benefited from a lot of things
that I'm really passionate about

1830
01:12:15,550 --> 01:12:18,800
kids getting today and and one
of the biggest things that I

1831
01:12:18,810 --> 01:12:20,850
remember from primary school
we've said this a million times

1832
01:12:20,860 --> 01:12:23,790
on the podcast is the amount of
enrichment that I thought I got.

1833
01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:28,250
I felt like my when I went to
school I loved maths I loved I

1834
01:12:28,260 --> 01:12:29,670
was that kid.
I loved learning.

1835
01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:31,740
I'm not the typical person to
talk about this I suppose

1836
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:34,050
because on the classic like if
it is just maths.

1837
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:37,800
I was happy I was there, but I
remember from from primary

1838
01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:40,470
school is going to London to
Nation Museum.

1839
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,210
I remember when we got our own
caterpillars, each in a little

1840
01:12:44,220 --> 01:12:45,530
aquarium thing.
Terraria maybe.

1841
01:12:45,540 --> 01:12:48,250
It's quite, I don't know, the
one about water where we watched

1842
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:50,280
our Caterpillar turn into a
crisis and turn into a

1843
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:52,310
butterfly.
Unbelievable things.

1844
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,490
But these these vivid, vivid
memories I have of school are

1845
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:57,730
always the enrichment.
It's when we got brand new toys

1846
01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:59,700
on the playground.
It's when we got our computer

1847
01:12:59,710 --> 01:13:01,750
suite in our school about that
means you wanna go into school,

1848
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:02,390
right?
Yeah, yeah.

1849
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,710
Literally, I just wanted to go
in and see my Caterpillar.

1850
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,870
Yeah, it was the best thing
ever, jumping on the same.

1851
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,610
Points You know, my memory is
terrible.

1852
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:11,400
My memory, for those who haven't
been with the podcast for a long

1853
01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:14,420
time, yeah, is is like scarily
bad.

1854
01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:16,430
I actually don't remember most
of my childhood.

1855
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,480
I actually think if we could get
a GP appointment, you would.

1856
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,390
I just forget.
I forget yesterday.

1857
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:23,830
I forget everything anyway, so I
don't.

1858
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,180
I don't remember.
You've already said this.

1859
01:13:25,190 --> 01:13:28,910
Go away.
But I tell you what I do

1860
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,150
remember.
I remember when I was in year

1861
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,210
four and we had this You're
going to forget no, no, no, no,

1862
01:13:34,220 --> 01:13:35,480
no.
And we had I think the year

1863
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:36,950
group was.
Definitely younger than six,

1864
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,490
yeah.
Form we had this this little

1865
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:42,010
this guy came in to do a science
workshop and we got to it was

1866
01:13:42,020 --> 01:13:43,670
like lab equipment and it felt
so cool.

1867
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,910
We were making little potions
and like we were learning to tap

1868
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,240
them to allow like the to to
knock the mixture around so the

1869
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:51,430
smell came out so we could we
could get a whiff of out like

1870
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,180
putting our nose, all these all
silly little things.

1871
01:13:53,190 --> 01:13:54,860
I remember that.
I also remember every single

1872
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:58,050
year when we had like a drama
group come in and they actually

1873
01:13:58,060 --> 01:14:00,000
made like, they made like a
proper setup in our little

1874
01:14:00,010 --> 01:14:01,610
school.
And you did drama and CI did

1875
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,430
drama, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I remember all that.

1876
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,620
I remember that stuff.
I remember the Christmas party

1877
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:07,330
because they were fun.
These are all like things.

1878
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:08,070
I don't.
I don't.

1879
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,070
I tell you what, I cannot
remember a single lesson I ever

1880
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,490
learned other than the ones that
are really fun, like making a

1881
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:17,420
book about World War 2.
And again, we know that the

1882
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:19,190
lessons you don't.
Remember, you still learn stuff,

1883
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,240
of course, but the point when
they weren't.

1884
01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:22,930
The reason I was coming?
Exactly, exactly.

1885
01:14:22,940 --> 01:14:24,640
And and this is the point we're
making here.

1886
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:29,080
Enrichment is so important to
keep children engaged keep them

1887
01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:31,020
wanting to come in their
children.

1888
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,370
At the end of the day just think
about it for a minute I had a

1889
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:35,550
couple of years ago.
I just this is.

1890
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,900
Perfect.
This is the perfect example of

1891
01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:39,650
this Couple of years ago
severely absent so would fall

1892
01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:43,110
into that category, severe
absence and was off honestly for

1893
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,800
about four weeks.
And then we had an enrichment

1894
01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,980
activity planned for for the
afternoon of one day.

1895
01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:51,680
Guess when they came in
specifically for the after

1896
01:14:51,690 --> 01:14:54,160
didn't come over the morning of
that day they only came in and

1897
01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:56,350
they were well enough completely
fine.

1898
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,640
Came in for the afternoon that
day really difficult child of

1899
01:14:59,650 --> 01:15:02,230
extremely challenging behaviour
at home family really really

1900
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,150
struggled to get this child in.
Yeah yeah exact pinnacle

1901
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,250
situation there is like cool
that could have been at school

1902
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:09,390
for four weeks if there was like
a little more for help them

1903
01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:12,090
enrichment at school and someone
go and help them at home.

1904
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:13,900
It's just but no they missed
they missed four weeks of

1905
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:15,270
school.
So the point of us talking about

1906
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,310
this is that.
There's there's stats behind

1907
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,730
this.
In the last decade ��1 billion

1908
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:25,250
less has been spent or provided
this funding to schools. 1

1909
01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:28,390
billion in the last decade
ignore inflation, 1 billion

1910
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,000
less.
If it was the same, it would

1911
01:15:30,010 --> 01:15:31,170
still be less because of
inflation.

1912
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:33,230
Yeah.
Has been spent on enrichment

1913
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,970
activities in school.
We're talking arts, music, the

1914
01:15:36,980 --> 01:15:41,670
things like drama, the things
that children love doing that

1915
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,340
engage children the most that
we've just worked out.

1916
01:15:44,350 --> 01:15:44,870
It's not.
Yeah.

1917
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,450
Tory mindset maths.
You do.

1918
01:15:46,460 --> 01:15:48,050
You do economy edition.
Can you read?

1919
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:49,870
Do you know what our front left
verbal is?

1920
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:51,700
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Sorry.

1921
01:15:51,710 --> 01:15:53,810
You're not going to pretend to
be a Roman Viking for a day.

1922
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:55,870
Excuse me.
Can you add four and seven Is

1923
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,870
that science lab thing?
Whatever.

1924
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,010
That is going to help us beat
the Chinese and the league

1925
01:16:00,020 --> 01:16:01,050
tables.
Yeah.

1926
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:03,220
Do we Really?
On So if you're a child, right?

1927
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:04,880
Who cares?
That's alright.

1928
01:16:04,930 --> 01:16:08,440
I'm only missing arithmetic,
practise and reading this this

1929
01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:09,960
text that I've got no interest
in.

1930
01:16:10,410 --> 01:16:13,200
You know, I love art.
I I love, I love, I love drawing

1931
01:16:13,210 --> 01:16:14,270
things.
I love making things.

1932
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,230
We're not doing that for for six
weeks.

1933
01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:18,060
Alright, well I can't be
bothered then.

1934
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:20,140
Yeah, all feeds in and guess
what?

1935
01:16:20,230 --> 01:16:22,400
Low income families are the ones
where school is the only

1936
01:16:22,410 --> 01:16:24,690
opportunity to do these things
they love.

1937
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:27,210
Imagine loving art.
Imagine loving drawing.

1938
01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:28,680
You used to love drawing
younger.

1939
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:31,060
OK drawing.
Thankfully, quite a cheap thing

1940
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:32,850
to be able to do.
Imagine someone came in and

1941
01:16:32,860 --> 01:16:34,260
showed you sculpting.
Yeah.

1942
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,630
Oh my God, I don't get the
chance to do this at.

1943
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,370
Home if you're on a low income.
Family, the only enrichment you

1944
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:42,090
get is the stuff you get through
school and it's just being

1945
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:44,590
squeezed and squeezed and
squeezed, OK?

1946
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,070
It's been squeezed.
Squeeze into death.

1947
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,270
It's been squeezed into death.
And I think that's another

1948
01:16:49,340 --> 01:16:51,710
string to the bow as to why
children aren't coming into

1949
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,690
school.
They need enrichment.

1950
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:55,710
They are little children.
Does it cost money?

1951
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,640
It costs money.
It costs money to not to not

1952
01:16:58,650 --> 01:17:01,010
spend a billion pounds less.
It's a lot of money, guys.

1953
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:02,190
You felt it.
I know.

1954
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,620
I know every teacher watching
this right now.

1955
01:17:03,690 --> 01:17:06,870
Well, if you've been teaching
for more than two years, you

1956
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:10,690
probably know, yeah, even in my
time as a teacher, I have seen

1957
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:12,470
those enrichment activities
disappear.

1958
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:14,540
Unless you work at a school
who's really passionate about

1959
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:17,050
these things and they and they
go out of their way to fight the

1960
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:19,250
trend and and do it because I've
heard some schools do that.

1961
01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:21,680
But often they detriment.
Yeah, some of the things they

1962
01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:22,950
got something else they don't
have.

1963
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,190
They don't really have the money
to do it.

1964
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:25,460
They're finding the money in
different ways.

1965
01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:28,050
And it's just that's not how it
should be, you know, it should

1966
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:30,310
be funded.
So there was there was basically

1967
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,510
one finding in this committee.
We can finish on this because

1968
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,560
which was it was this?
Goal, but I think to.

1969
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:39,900
Summarise before we go into the
last one, it less finger

1970
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:41,700
pointing.
Because even when it's the fault

1971
01:17:41,710 --> 01:17:44,420
of the parent, even when you
exhaust all options and they

1972
01:17:44,430 --> 01:17:46,480
just need to buck their ideas
up, get their children into

1973
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:48,620
school, pointing the finger will
still do nothing.

1974
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:51,890
Yeah, so it's a it's a it's a
process where there's going to

1975
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:54,750
be lots of slow gains, hopefully
over the next few years.

1976
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:57,760
But it's only going to happen.
Like with a lot of things in

1977
01:17:57,770 --> 01:18:00,960
education, if we stop pretending
that we can just put a plaster

1978
01:18:00,970 --> 01:18:02,860
over it, we can't put a blue
paper towel on it.

1979
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:05,810
It's not going to fix itself.
It needs huge amounts of

1980
01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:07,510
funding.
And it this, this was just

1981
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,550
hilarious to me because it's
gonna go into the wider context.

1982
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,560
Now.
The biggest thing they said from

1983
01:18:11,570 --> 01:18:14,550
the committee that would have
the most impact on, you know,

1984
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,090
combating low income families,
not getting their children to

1985
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:19,770
school is to properly tackle
child poverty.

1986
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,850
And the idea that after 14 years
of of Conservative government

1987
01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:27,470
austerity that, you know, the
the disparity is bigger than

1988
01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:29,670
ever.
And we have millions of children

1989
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,890
in this country, the United
Kingdom.

1990
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:36,310
We have millions of children.
Living in poverty is disgusting

1991
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,290
to me.
I I I can't believe it's not the

1992
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:40,840
number one thing that we're
sorting out.

1993
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:46,490
Yeah, I don't care if you earn
80 or 100 grand or more a year

1994
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,070
and you're scared that people
are gonna come for your taxes.

1995
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,930
You need to get over yourself.
You need to go over yourself

1996
01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:55,050
because there are people living
on 12 grand a year maximum

1997
01:18:55,060 --> 01:18:57,080
spending, not sending their
children to school, not sending

1998
01:18:57,090 --> 01:18:58,260
their kids.
To school and that cycle is

1999
01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:59,650
going to continue because unless
we break.

2000
01:18:59,660 --> 01:19:01,420
That cycle, there's no social
mobility.

2001
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:04,170
They're not gonna, we're gonna
just make them out to be the

2002
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,030
villains of our society because
they're leeches and they're not

2003
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,090
putting anything in this.
This cycle will go on forever.

2004
01:19:10,140 --> 01:19:13,840
No, these are very normal people
until you experience it and you

2005
01:19:13,850 --> 01:19:17,960
see it for what it is, which are
just children struggling and

2006
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:21,540
parents struggling, single
parent sometimes on one income

2007
01:19:21,790 --> 01:19:25,140
who can't afford anything.
If you think the answer is the

2008
01:19:25,150 --> 01:19:28,710
point of them and blame them and
say he's ��80 fine, he's buck

2009
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,280
your ideas up because that is
absolutely ridiculous to me.

2010
01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:33,060
You can serious over here.
It's ridiculous.

2011
01:19:33,070 --> 01:19:34,810
Thank you for listening.
Hope you enjoyed this episode

2012
01:19:34,820 --> 01:19:36,960
because it has been really fun.
It's really fun for us as well

2013
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,220
just to get our teeth stuck
into.

2014
01:19:38,230 --> 01:19:41,110
This is certainly just the
research process of this episode

2015
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,300
and talking about it has really
really changed my mindset and I

2016
01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:45,460
think I'll think twice the next
time.

2017
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:48,000
A kid you know, persistently
absent of me being ohh for God's

2018
01:19:48,010 --> 01:19:49,140
sake, just get your kid in
school.

2019
01:19:49,150 --> 01:19:50,760
Do you know what?
There's there's twelve other

2020
01:19:50,770 --> 01:19:54,160
factors I should consider about
why this isn't happening and and

2021
01:19:54,170 --> 01:19:56,240
pointing the finger just isn't
isn't the answer.

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Absolutely.
Adam.

2023
01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:59,380
Thank you guys.
Please do find us an.

2024
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Instagram teach St podcast and
if you got this far, surely

2025
01:20:02,530 --> 01:20:04,690
we'll have a bit of a review.
You know we don't do sponsor.

2026
01:20:04,700 --> 01:20:06,960
Maybe even a full review.
Yeah, maybe like like a five

2027
01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:08,580
stars on.
Spotify, but if you have.

2028
01:20:08,590 --> 01:20:11,870
Apple Apple Podcasts should be
really good if they give us a

2029
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,350
fast overview and write a little
paragraph.

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Unless they're toxic, healthy
ohh cause then we might get one.

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Star that's happened before, so
we don't want that guys, thank

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01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,140
you so much for.
Listening, and this is

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01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:24,040
definitely something, as always,
that we'd love to hear your

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01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:25,490
thoughts on.
Let us know.

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01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:28,030
Find us on Instagram as always,
and see you next time.

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Goodbye.