Ep 40: The Drastically Changing Teaching Profession: Chronic Underfunding, Enormous Workload & Dwindling Respect

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
Adam feels like forever, so just

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the last two sat here doing.
This because it has been.

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Forever it has been.
What have you been doing?

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You selfish?
Man ohh you know, moving house.

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In house.
Just kidding, of course I have

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had a baby, so.
Oh my God.

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Stop going on about it.
Is this what I was like?

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Is this what I was like when I
was?

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With you when I made a joke.
Ohh look everything you got on

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there about.
Rory Yeah.

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Yeah.
Couldn't care less.

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Yeah, Could not care less.
Nice.

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Point So that's that's my week
done.

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Yeah.
Anyway, hello listeners.

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Thank you for being so patient.
Thank you for listening to our

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little bite size episodes for
our amazing interview with Jane

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Cornstein.
And I keep getting Constine or

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Considine right.
If you're listening, I'm sorry,

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it's one of them.
And Heather Wright reading books

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ever, ever.
Wrong.

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Good banter.
Now they're lovely.

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I'll tell you what, I'm not
gonna do it right now, but yeah.

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Yeah, this is what I was gonna.
Say a big thanks because we've

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received a package today.
Whoa, Heather from Reading

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rocks.
I'm gonna open this a bit later

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on.
If you're watching the podcast,

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we'll do a little Instagram real
opening up the little goodies

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inside.
Thank you very much.

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Heather Brilliant.
So that's gonna get some

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engagement.
Instagram popping off.

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Still love it?
Yeah.

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Go on, talk about.
You.

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No, That's all.
We're making some memes, guys.

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If you love memes, get onto
Instagram.

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We love memes.
And we finally decided to start

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making some memes.
And I can't believe one of the

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memes.
It's just this dog doing the

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most stupid laugh in the world,
even though all I did was at the

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top.
Just put when you teach your

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friends say teachings.
Easy.

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And there's a dog going 1.2
million views.

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And people like.
Oh my God the funniest thing

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I've ever seen, and it is, it
is.

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Don't, Don't rip the customers.
No, no, no, no.

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Customers over 1000.
Drinking.

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It's been long enough now that
when we say customers, people

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are like why do they keep?
Calling it kind of, but episode

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one, I've also had messages
within the last week or so from

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three different people who've
self referenced themselves.

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As customers, good.
Well, thank you to our

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customers.
Keep listening.

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You can buy absolutely nothing
from our merch store that

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doesn't exist.
But one day we're going to set

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up a merch store.
Like 2 days we'll make 5 sales.

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And that'll be the end.
We've got real customers.

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Anyway, thanks for listening, as
always.

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Hopefully you're ready for a
nice little chat.

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Hayden, we're gonna talk about a
week because I remember when I

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got to come to the podcast after
Rory was born.

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It was my time to vent and say
things that I just wanted to get

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out there.
So this is your chance, Hayden.

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How have your last two or three
weeks?

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Been I don't think I'm as quite
as delusional as.

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You.
I don't think you are.

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Either you were you'd like lost.
It I know.

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Well, here's the thing.
I did a lot for my partner.

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So yeah, I find it quite easy.
I've been sleeping every night.

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I put earplugs in.
In fact, I go to next.

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I go next door most days.
No, I think I tell you what has

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been helpful, and I've said it
before, but we.

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But listening to your ramblings
and your experiences did help us

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because it was kind of like,
well, I can probably skip a few

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of these.
Things now on the test animal.

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Yeah, you're the best animal.
Maybe not make some of the

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mistakes you made.
It would have made him the

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first.
I would have made them.

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I would have made them.
You know, steak.

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Yeah.
Anyway, how's it been now?

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How, how, How are you feeling?
Because it's bloody tough,

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right?
Ohh mate, it's the first few

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days I I was like oh this is the
biggest mistake I've ever made

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in my life during the night
times because I was like I can't

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I can't sleep in the hospital.
That was only a fleeting moment

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of of thought because when I see
her and I'm cutting ohh man, I'm

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so I'm already getting taking
the Mick out off by my family

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because I just can't I can't
leave her alone.

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I can't stop by picking her up
and giving her kisses and.

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Cuddles.
You thought I was weird saying I

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was gonna be kissing Rory and
my.

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Children, I know.
I was just like, no, no, no, you

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know, I just, I I really didn't
think I'd enjoy the newborn

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stage at all, though.
I know we briefly mentioned

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this, but I really, really
struggled on the kind of, like

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the weeks leading up to birth
for.

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I'm sort of putting on this
front of, like, are you excited?

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I'm supposed to be nothing but
this feeling.

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And I'm not because I'm just
nervous that I'm actually not

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going to enjoy it all and I'm
going to be in that massive

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statistic of parents who whose
regret is having kids.

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But you don't hear about it.
You don't hear about it.

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And it's good that even though
you might have turned the

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corner, it is good that you talk
about it because there be people

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who are we're leading up
thinking they can't say that,

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yeah, hearing hearing at that is
real and it's a it's a

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legitimate feeling.
It'll be really good.

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But so.
So post now that you've had the

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experience, have the night times
be.

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Well, they're not as bad as I
thought.

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I thought they were gonna be
Absolutely terrible.

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I think we're in this weird
routine right now, which can't

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go on, by the way, the only
reason this is OK because I'm

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still on maternity leave.
So at the moment, Lauren goes to

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bed at like 10, and I'll stay
with the baby a bit longer

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because I just to give her some
sleep, basically.

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All right?
Because she's breastfeeding.

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So it's just giving her a break
for like a couple of hours at

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least, just just getting to
sleep.

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So I'll stay with the baby for a
bit.

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But she seems to have.
I mean, it's called the witching

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hour.
Yeah, It's like an actual

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phenomenon.
And it's not an hour either.

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No, It's like 3-4, three or four
hours.

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So every single night so far we
are 12 days in now every single

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night between precisely between
10:00 PM and 1:30 AM.

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That time when you're trying to
get ready to get some.

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Sleep when Lauren gets to sleep
and then I get to the point

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where I'm really tired now, sort
of like half eleven.

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I'm like, OK, Lawrence had an
hour and a half, like I've fed

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the baby.
Hopefully now she'll sleep for

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three hours and then Lauren and
Totals had like four or five

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hours.
Of sleep.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Oh my God, she she's a different
beast.

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She wasn't stopped.
Doesn't stop fussing.

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So all day, like, right now,
she'll be downstairs.

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Super chill.
Yeah.

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Once she's had a feed, she'll
sleep for three hours.

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She doesn't care.
She's cool.

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And if she's awake, she's just
happy.

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Like, she's just sort of looking
around, flailing her arms

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around.
She doesn't really fuss. 10:00

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PM, She's like, oh, had a feed.
There you go.

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Put you down.
OK, I'll pick you back up.

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I'll Rock You.
There's rocking work.

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No screaming, screaming,
screaming.

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OK, Rocking is not good.
That's fine.

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Let's swaddle you up.
Let's get you wrapped up.

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Let's get you out.
Do you like that?

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She's like, get it off me.
Pushing her arms out.

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And I'm like Oh my God, it's
been 2 hours of you crying and I

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don't know what to do.
And I've seen a video.

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She is loud.
She is loud.

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For a tiny little Princess, she
is loud.

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Dream man she can.
Scream.

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Dreams.
But that's that's the bit.

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That's the bit I'm struggling
with.

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I'm getting to terms of it now.
The first night, I really,

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really, really struggled because
you just feel like a, I mean, I

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know you had this feeling as
well, but you feel like you're

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failing the kids.
Yeah, of course.

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Because she was screaming and
nothing I was doing was

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consoling her.
And it was part of my brain that

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was like, Oh well, stuffy then
honestly, it was so pathetic.

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I was like well.
Like again, you're getting angry

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over baby.
I've given you what you want.

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I've given you I'm.
Have you said this?

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Cause I've I've said this to
Rory multiple times.

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I like you.
Get exactly what you want as

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soon as you want it.
Every single day.

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Forever.
What are you moaning about?

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What?
I've said to you Milk.

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And you've cracked it back out.
What else?

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Do you?
I've wiped the poo off the back

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of your neck because somehow it
got up there.

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Ohh baby, let's talk, let's talk
poo.

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Let's talk.
Poo.

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Let's talk poo for me.
If you're if you're a bit

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squeamish or you just don't like
this and you know, then tough

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you got Oh my God, it's just
something else isn't it?

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Like And it's just constant, I
mean.

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And with breastfeeding, it's
relentless.

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And it's just wet as well.
It's like it's like brown water

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comes out of my baby and it
stinks and I'm like, ohh yay.

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At least that's not gonna happen
for another 19 minutes, and the

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amount of times she like, has
done it immediately after a

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change.
They know they.

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Know they they just.
Know what's that?

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What's that?
Brand new.

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Yeah.
OK, yeah.

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What's that?
Ohh, I'm putting a nappy on you,

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right?
Ohh.

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Better do that now.
Then it's the time to poo, isn't

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it?
Shall I poo once you've changed?

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Yes.
Shall I scream once Mommy's gone

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to bed?
Yes.

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Yeah.
I think you know this.

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Like, talk about how newborns
like they can't cognitively, but

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they know what they do.
Yeah, I think they know exactly

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what they're.
Doing.

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Ohh, it's just a poo smile.
No, she's smiling at me because

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she knows what she's doing.
All right.

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She knows Wendy smiles are a
conspiracy.

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Yeah, that they're not real.
Don't listen to them.

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Here's where you get your real
father and mother news.

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Yeah, Windy smiles are not real.
But getting used to it though,

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you know it's not as Again, I
was quite scared about the whole

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nappy changing thing because I
just didn't think I'd be one of

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those people.
But yeah, you just do it and

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she's just an extension of you.
It's weird, isn't it?

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If it's any consolation, I still
hate getting changed, so few

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weeks down the road it will be
exactly.

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The same at the moment.
She just doesn't like it, she

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screamed.
But I've realised is is just

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purely if she's remotely cold.
Yeah, imagine someone taking all

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your clothes off involuntarily
and like, come on then, let's

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wipe your I'm gonna hold your
legs.

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Up on your arse like you'd be
like what?

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This is horrible, horrible
experience.

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Only are you touching me?
My bum, which I hate.

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You're holding my legs up in the
air and I'm on my neck and I and

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I was fully clothed minute ago.
Now I'm freezing cold and the

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pool was warm Warm seat.
Yeah.

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Ohh man, but you still talking
about?

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Her.
Jeez.

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Ohh.
Do you wanna know?

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Something No.
Yeah.

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No.
But I will summarise, there's

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been lots of highs and lows.
Yeah, like extreme highs,

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extreme lows.
I feel like the kind of

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honeymoon period is wearing off
a little bit now because I was

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like super crazy, like euphoric
in my feelings.

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So the first thing that.
Keeps you going, though.

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Keeps you going.
Calm down a bit now I'm a bit

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more like this is my life now,
This is just this is just my

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life now.
So we have nice cuddles in the

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day and.
You've made me think because

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I've got.
Because I'm not going to lie, I

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just spoke to someone at work
who had two sets of twins.

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Yeah.
Right.

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So not only did they have twins
and I was like how did you do

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that?
Two years later fell pregnant

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again.
Twins again.

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And I was I was just talking to
her like, I I can't fathom doing

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twins once.
Now I've got Rory never mind

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then doing twins again.
And I just said to her, I I just

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because I was knackered.
I was absolutely knackered.

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And I remember we speak about
how I do still think we've got

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it easier than than the girls
being at home constantly trying

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to with a fussy baby.
Yeah yeah.

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But I think what I need to
reflect on now and really make

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clear to everyone is it doesn't
mean that our jobs easy like

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it's if if their jobs 10 out of
10 hard ours is 9.9.

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Because going to work and trying
to function without sleep it, it

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just it doesn't work for me it
doesn't work and I know I'm

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running at like 40% all the
time.

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But I asked her at what point am
I not going to be tired?

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And she almost she just laughed
and she went, Nah, that's done

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now.
Her reasoning was really funny

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and I was just taken aback by
how much it made sense.

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And I was really sad after
because she said by the time you

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get over being tired, you've
either had another one gone

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through it again, yeah, And then
when they're old enough,

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eventually you're just old.
So you're just tired now?

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And I was like, oh, oh, right.
So I will never not feel tired

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again.
She was like, yeah, basically.

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Ohh it sucks.
I see.

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Ohh, it's objectively terrible
for my well-being.

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OK, it's alright.
Hopefully he becomes some kind

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of, you know, rich, you know,
businessman or football player.

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Because that's the only way it's
gonna be off.

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Look after you.
Yeah.

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The only way it's gonna pay off.
Well.

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Statistically speaking, yeah,
37.

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Sorry Dad, I can't afford the
£700,000 home because the

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Boomers have got them.
But Dad, you're a boomer.

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Will be the Boomers.
I love how the idea of Boomer is

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like it's just an old question,
nothing to do with the.

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Actual person who's a cured
wealth.

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But yeah, it made me think as
well, because the other night I

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was so tired in in the night.
I'm like, I'm a different beast.

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I'm a different beast.
And I was just knackered like

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that.
Rory's fussing with Lauren.

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She's feeding him, getting him
down.

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And I'm half awake.
And I I just hear him fussing.

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And that usually means he's in
his in his crib, wanting to be

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fed.
Yeah.

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OK, wait a minute.
Here you go.

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And I just picked up my pillow
and gave it to Lauren.

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And there's the baby.
There you go.

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There's the baby.
I was like, what?

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And I was like baby.
Take Lauren, take the baby.

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Laurence holding the baby's
feeding.

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And now she's holding the.
Other one sleep giving him a

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bellow as if that's helpful as
well.

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Ohh, he's fussing.
Ego take feed the pillow.

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I love your delusional brain.
You.

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I tell you what you reminded me
because I don't really get that.

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But I did have one thing last
night I've not even told Lauren

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yet.
Yeah, I woke up in a very, very

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well, those weird states where
I'm not actually awake.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm awake enough to
think I'm awake and.

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That's so weird mistake.
Isn't it?

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It's very bizarre because you
just hallucinate.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And I was looking at Laura and I
just remember this, it was

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really bizarre but didn't freak
me out at the moment cause I was

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half asleep and I was looking at
Lauren and she just had a giant

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head that was Rivers head.
Her face was just Rivers face.

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And I looked at it for us.
Solid, solid 10 seconds.

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Was Lauren's face on Rivers
smaller?

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So Lauren was just facing me,
you know, on the pillow like

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this.
And I was looking at her, and

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she was just riveting but giant.
Just Are you sure it wasn't

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River just really?
Close to you.

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
And and and I didn't freak out

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my my honest thought train was
ohh I guess she does look like

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her.
It wasn't it was just river.

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It was her actual face on
Lauren.

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Nonsense like the the short hair
and everything.

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Ohh, she doesn't like mummy.
OK, I'm going to.

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Sleep.
Yeah, I know.

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I was like, OK, that's fine.
I accept that.

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I accept.
Message was real, like the the

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shock and horror.
Yeah, yeah.

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Just last night as well.
I just remembered something

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else.
I had the first Holy Trinity.

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The Holy Trinity.
This the sick, the Father, the

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Ghost.
I had, I had the the, the Von

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people at the same time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That was funny, actually.
Maybe laugh.

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Quite a lot that you or river.
Yeah, it was actually.

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Lauren.
When she was.

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Stressing, she was right.
Yeah, I was changing.

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She was crying as well.
I guess that's that's yeah.

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OK, let's change the pose.
Ohh, we all.

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Ohh, you bombed as well.
OK, brilliant.

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You're covered in.
Poo.

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And you've done all that.
You're crying again.

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Yes, you're.
Crying you're crying.

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Ohh nappies on time to Yep, time
to crap.

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OK, let's do it again.
I say on average I get through.

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Yeah, on average 2 nappies per
per change.

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Every time.
Every time.

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She always immediately does
something this I'm going to bed

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for a second.
Because.

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This has boiled my blood because
it's my fault every time.

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And it happens every freaking
time.

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Every time I change her,
exaggerating every time.

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Most of the time I change her.
Keep up the.

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She wees right.
Yeah.

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And it's.
I get it.

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I know that's the thing like
it's the cold and maybe you know

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you're wiping them over the
weeks and and I'm always ready

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for it now.
And I'll I'll have that nappy.

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I'll read the the new clean one
there.

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I'm ready.
I'm like, come on you, We I'm

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gonna get this.
And every time I managed to, I

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do this and then I sort of pull
her clothes back because I just

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kind of folded.
Right, Yeah.

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And she's just weed on them
every time she's managed to get

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away on them.
And I'm like, Oh my God, because

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she hates.
Being Why you putting clothes

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back before you change the
nappy.

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What's going on?
What do you mean?

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Is she just completely naked
when you pull the clothes?

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Back.
Well, yeah.

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So.
Like unpopular.

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Up.
Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah.

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Half the half.
The new nappy underneath.

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So when's the chance to go?
Home.

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I don't know.
That's why I understand it.

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Because I'm like, surely the new
nappies catching this week.

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Yeah.
And then it's clearly just

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trickling down the back of this
new right and just about to put

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a nappy.
On like wrapped it round and

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done it.
Up.

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No, at this point she's weird.
Like I'm literally taking the

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other one away.
Nah, and she's peed everywhere.

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So I'm like, ohh quick catch it.
Yeah.

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And somehow it's gone.
Quite on her belly.

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I tried that, yeah.
She screams so much that I was

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like, I can never do this to you
again because you will explode.

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Her head was gonna explode.
Ohh, so it's been fun.

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We're working out.
I have.

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Really.
She's she's not cried once or

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twice when changing her, and
both times she's been super

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warm.
So I was like, clearly she's

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just she's cold, you know, cold
baby.

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Anyway, That's right.
Yeah, I needed that.

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OK, nice.
That nice one.

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This one.
Why my week?

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But it's not really remotely as
interesting.

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Ohh, I'm sure it is.
Yeah, So.

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Well, I've done Christmas
decorations in school.

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You're one of two types of
teachers, aren't you?

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I don't know.
Anyone listening with a teacher

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could put themselves into one of
two brackets.

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I did a little vote on Instagram
this week and it's about a

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cupboard, you know?
Is your cupboard just a hell

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hole where you shove everything?
Yeah.

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Yes.
Or is it unbelievably,

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pristinely organised people like
banners and big this is my pen

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draw and et cetera like that.
I'm definitely the chaotic

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person.
I think you're actually quite

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good.
You're probably maybe edging

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towards chaos.
Not quite that pristine.

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I always think of like a
pristine.

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Easy.
Beginning of the year The

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beginning of the year A.
Lot of people say that.

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I'm saying I do one big, big big
big, tidy.

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Hmm.
It's already a mess in right

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now.
Like, that doesn't even last

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Christmas for me.
Anyway, I was asking one of two

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types of teachers we've got to
do, and this is really like

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staple.
Anyone who's in a primary school

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probably did this.
You gotta decorate your hoops

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because your hoop in the hall.
For us, it's long pieces of

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ribbon.
And we had some amazing year

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four with my parallel teachers.
They did some beautiful wreaths.

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They looked really pristine all
around the edge, you know, I'll

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post a picture.
My other parallel teacher in

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your Ford did some snowflakes.
Beautifully folded and cut out

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with.
It just looks fantastic and they

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were kind of hung up in the
shared area next to each other.

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I was like, why is it?
That's beautiful.

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That's really nice.
Where's my one?

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Ohh.
There it is.

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The absolutely demented snowmen.
We did snowmen and I honest to

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God, snowmen are meant to be
round.

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Don't you sit circles to cut out
with your 4.

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Don't do that because they don't
have the dexterity to cut

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circles out.
It's basically hexagons.

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Nominations.
Complete nonsense.

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I tried to do in 3D as well.
So like they fold out and they

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they that that kind of worked.
But then I was like OK if

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they're hanging in the hall the
back, it's just going to be blue

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while they're on card.
That's going to look rubbish.

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So what we'll do is I'll double
up, Every kid can just pair up

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at the end.
We'll do them together at the

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back and then be like 360.
Yeah.

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Didn't think that's gonna half
the amount of decorations I.

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Have ohh yeah of.
Course, so it doesn't remotely

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fill the line anymore.
So it's just sporadic, horrible,

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Frosty the snowman.
Holy hell, half melted really

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heavy.
You gotta fall the kids head on.

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Assembly look like absolute
rubbish now.

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I was like, cool.
That's teacher B right there.

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That's A to be, don't know which
one.

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You are, and I'm not even being
there.

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I'm teaching my donkeys.
My donkeys of the year was like.

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Context.
We can pick whatever we want.

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He picked a donkey.
Why would you pick a donkey?

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Was like the last day to do
them.

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00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,520
I hadn't picked anything.
So you went on.

457
00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:42,200
What's the most horribly tricky
thing to make with LIKE?

458
00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:43,680
10 year olds.
I wasn't drinking, mate.

459
00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,120
We made, we made a great card
and they cut out like a

460
00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:58,400
trapezium shape.
The truth that makes me is as

461
00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:01,290
well like Kyle, but they were
just so crap.

462
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,070
Yeah, because mines like that as
well.

463
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,790
So you can tell it's a rubbish
Christmas decoration because it

464
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,540
was just three white circles and
I gave them felt tips.

465
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,750
Can you draw the snowman?
Everyone took the make up

466
00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:17,230
completely, completely.
I've not been this.

467
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,440
Year complete.
Nonsense Complete.

468
00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:19,690
Ohh yeah.
They've done my job.

469
00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:21,190
Share teacher will have.
They gone up this.

470
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,770
Week.
Done that.

471
00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:23,400
I don't know what they've done.
I can't remember what they

472
00:18:23,410 --> 00:18:24,890
signed up.
But it's not ours.

473
00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:26,660
It's all the better for the
school.

474
00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:31,600
Think Hayden.
What we should move on because

475
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:35,860
you've had enough out there.
Someone did supposed with their

476
00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:37,050
Spotify wrapped.
Have you seen it?

477
00:18:37,060 --> 00:18:38,560
Spotify Rap types.
You see everyone.

478
00:18:38,610 --> 00:18:40,950
It was really nice to see the
amount of people who are sending

479
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,190
us stuff saying thank you for
being the top podcast.

480
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,300
I was like, that's unbelievable.
And there's literally, I can't

481
00:18:45,310 --> 00:18:48,410
remember the exact number.
It was over 500 different people

482
00:18:48,420 --> 00:18:50,630
wearing like their top five.
Or top ten or something.

483
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,650
That is unbelievable.
Like the amount of people just

484
00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:54,730
listen to us so much.
Thank you guys, that's nice.

485
00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:57,870
One of my friends, I will say
very quickly we've produced

486
00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,620
2.2000 minutes, Something like
that, yeah, something like that.

487
00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:04,320
One of my friends sent me his
and he was in the in the top

488
00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:07,340
nought .5% of listeners saying
are you legend, Shout out, big

489
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:08,940
shout, James Brown, absolute
legend.

490
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:12,180
But then I looked deeper and
he'd listened to something like

491
00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:15,710
2.8000 minutes and I went,
you've listened.

492
00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,060
You've listened to the
equivalent of 16 hour long

493
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:20,200
episodes, something like that,
yeah.

494
00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:21,250
And he was like, yeah, listen to
it.

495
00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:23,790
Twice.
Yeah, we were like, good one.

496
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,060
But then that was we worked out
and it was like, yeah, I told

497
00:19:27,070 --> 00:19:29,330
you, didn't it?
Wow.

498
00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:33,000
I mean, he actually does, but he
he said he don't know what's

499
00:19:33,010 --> 00:19:34,490
going.
On because we picked up his.

500
00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:35,710
Company.
I don't know, maybe he's just

501
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,590
been sending it to to people, to
customers.

502
00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:42,260
I got this episode.
Ohh, I like I like this one.

503
00:19:42,970 --> 00:19:44,460
I'm really interested in toxic
skills.

504
00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:47,190
No, listen.
Listen to this point at 27

505
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,340
minutes into episode 40.
Two, well, quick shout out to

506
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:50,750
James, actually been helping me
a lot recently.

507
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,620
Yeah, we've been remortgaging.
Yep, need.

508
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Financial planning.
I do need.

509
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It Do you need financial
planning?

510
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,530
Yeah, go to Need financial
planning.

511
00:19:56,540 --> 00:19:58,100
He's done a fantastic job.
He's a top.

512
00:19:58,110 --> 00:19:59,480
Cheers, James.
Well done, James.

513
00:19:59,630 --> 00:20:00,680
There you go.
There you click, mate.

514
00:20:00,690 --> 00:20:02,320
It's gonna next year.
Spotify.

515
00:20:04,110 --> 00:20:06,240
Nought .1%.
Really weird because look at the

516
00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:09,980
analytics this episode 500 more
listeners are more imagine.

517
00:20:10,090 --> 00:20:11,640
Ohh cool.
Let's pick up James everyday,

518
00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:14,360
then every episode.
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519
00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:17,710
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All right.

520
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,530
OK.
We've had a debrief.

521
00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:21,450
We've had, you know, the first
half when our parenting podcast,

522
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,370
let's get on to the educational
stuff here because we did do a

523
00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:27,410
bite size episode end of last
week and it was all about things

524
00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:28,730
you can do before you quit
teaching.

525
00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:30,550
And I know we always plough in,
don't we?

526
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,400
And it feels like we go
negative, negative, negative.

527
00:20:32,410 --> 00:20:35,270
But we're still teachers, you
know, all this, all these things

528
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,080
we talk about.
There were some really practical

529
00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:39,890
steps we've taken to stay in the
profession because at the end of

530
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,770
the day, we love teaching.
It's as simple as that.

531
00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:42,870
We love working with the
children.

532
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,390
We love helping them out.
But this kind of idea that the

533
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,140
profession this kind of
sleepwalk into this horrible

534
00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:54,140
situation where we're losing a
lot of teachers, people who are

535
00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:56,600
in the job are more dissatisfied
than ever than are being

536
00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:59,650
reported, showed that.
So I thought today what we could

537
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:02,640
do was kind of lead on from last
time five ways we can stay in

538
00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:05,000
the job if you haven't listened
to listen very practical and

539
00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:07,030
send it to your teacher.
Friends who have been a bit low

540
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,850
might help them out a little
bit, But I wanted to talk now a

541
00:21:09,860 --> 00:21:12,450
bit more about in our longer
episode about how the job has

542
00:21:12,460 --> 00:21:15,960
changed because the well-being
is on the on the down, OK,

543
00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:19,600
recruitment on the down and
people are leaving in droves.

544
00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:22,880
So something's changed.
The job is getting more

545
00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,420
different and we're going to
spend it in half, aren't we?

546
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:27,860
Had in two different ideas here.
Yeah, we've kind of got this.

547
00:21:27,930 --> 00:21:29,760
We've thought about what's
changed and actually there's

548
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:32,140
these kind of macro changes.
Aren't these big changes from

549
00:21:32,150 --> 00:21:33,960
like over decades really like
that?

550
00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:36,020
If you talk to your parents and
grandparents, they might tell

551
00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:38,360
you some stories of how what
education was like then.

552
00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:43,460
But there's also been a massive
change since we have joined this

553
00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:45,140
career.
So we're talking over the last

554
00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:47,520
decade at the most and that sort
of 8-9 years really.

555
00:21:47,530 --> 00:21:50,460
And it's been intense of the
last, I'd say, Since COVID,

556
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,330
yeah.
And since before.

557
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:53,160
I think it's been even more
intense since then.

558
00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:55,340
Yeah, since about 2019, Ohh.
What happened?

559
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:56,940
Then?
Let's listen to find out.

560
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:59,080
Charlie, but realistically, it's
2014.

561
00:21:59,130 --> 00:22:00,700
It's kind of.
The the new curriculum.

562
00:22:00,710 --> 00:22:02,200
That's the new curriculum.
There was a new national

563
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:04,240
curriculum for those that aren't
in education and new national

564
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:07,140
curriculum in 2014.
And there's definitely just been

565
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:09,880
changes culturally and with
funding and everything.

566
00:22:09,890 --> 00:22:11,580
We go into those those topics a
bit more.

567
00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:15,150
So should we start then just by
let's underpin this whole

568
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,640
conversation with a bit of a
chat about the macro changes.

569
00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:21,510
What are some of the big things
that have changed over time in

570
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,770
education?
From the teacher's perspective,

571
00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:25,230
I guess mostly.
Yeah.

572
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,710
And I think this is great to
start off with because like we

573
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,310
always say, we've got lots of
listeners and education, lots of

574
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,610
listeners outside.
We can all attest to this.

575
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,910
And I think some of the big
changes in education, I'm

576
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,250
talking like over 30-40 fifty
years.

577
00:22:38,260 --> 00:22:39,990
Have been really positive, yeah,
I'd say.

578
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,890
Mostly, I think it's been really
good.

579
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,130
And the biggest thing, I
suppose, is you talk to teachers

580
00:22:44,140 --> 00:22:45,230
have been doing it the whole
career.

581
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,730
They never used to even be a
curriculum.

582
00:22:47,220 --> 00:22:50,520
They'd walk in one day.
But hmm, let's paint some Van

583
00:22:50,530 --> 00:22:51,660
Gogh sunflowers in the
afternoon.

584
00:22:51,670 --> 00:22:54,280
We do a bit of maths in the
morning and you know, what was

585
00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:57,470
expected of children was nowhere
near the levels we're talking

586
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,940
today.
We can have a discussion later

587
00:22:58,950 --> 00:23:00,820
about whether we expect too much
from children today.

588
00:23:00,830 --> 00:23:02,780
Yeah.
But I think having that kind of

589
00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:05,320
broad and balanced curriculum
that was consistent across the

590
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:08,970
country and levels and and kind
of benchmarks that we want

591
00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:11,120
children to get to clearly was a
good.

592
00:23:11,130 --> 00:23:13,210
Thing I think it was.
I'm trying to think of the day

593
00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:15,360
we didn't write it down.
Was it 99?

594
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:18,100
I felt like it was it was it?
Was it?

595
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:19,560
Was it late 80s?
I don't know.

596
00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:20,880
We're completely making this up.
So let's.

597
00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:22,120
Not pretend to know.
I can't remember.

598
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:24,600
I just was trying to think of
was was it when we were at

599
00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:26,170
primary?
School before that, I think.

600
00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:28,720
Yeah, Because if it was I I
don't remember there being,

601
00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:30,460
like, feeling like a change, but
yeah.

602
00:23:30,530 --> 00:23:32,470
Yeah, well, when when primary
school, there's things like the

603
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,760
numeracy hour and the literacy
hour, and that was embedded and

604
00:23:34,770 --> 00:23:37,130
it was really prescriptive.
So there was definitely that

605
00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:40,510
shift from kind of artsy fartsy.
Yeah, primary school.

606
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,730
Just do what?
You want life skills, you know,

607
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:44,200
talk about things and do
addition.

608
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:46,230
Roman Empire, weren't you?
Build a Colosseum.

609
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,000
That'd be nice, wouldn't it?
Yeah, And then, you know, we'll

610
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:50,300
do something else.
But think that move and that

611
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:53,200
shift especially at the start
was only a good thing having

612
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:56,770
levels of what we expect
children to get to and kind of a

613
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:59,590
balanced even when no matter
where you are in the country

614
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:00,650
you've.
Got to learn this.

615
00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:04,050
Do you mean a good thing overall
for everyone, or do you mean a

616
00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:06,100
good thing for the kids?
Good thing.

617
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,630
Listen it get it was less
autonomy to the teacher.

618
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,860
I'm sure if you're a teacher at
the time, be really annoying to

619
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:13,010
be told.
Now you've got to plan

620
00:24:13,020 --> 00:24:15,240
everything from scratch do
exactly this.

621
00:24:15,290 --> 00:24:17,540
But I think overall, I think it
has to be a good thing.

622
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:21,790
Has to be a good thing that we
have kind of what's the word?

623
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,220
I'm looking for expectations and
people will hold you accountable

624
00:24:25,230 --> 00:24:26,720
to it.
Because depending on what school

625
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:29,160
you go to, what teach you got,
I'm sure some children had an

626
00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:30,730
amazing experience.
Some children have.

627
00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:32,520
Had because there just wasn't
that structure in place.

628
00:24:32,530 --> 00:24:35,460
It was a bit more potluck, but
it was different back then I can

629
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:36,720
imagine.
Yeah, it was quite annoying

630
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:40,410
because when we we've talked
with people who actually taught

631
00:24:40,420 --> 00:24:42,270
in that time period, talk at the
end of their careers and I've

632
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,650
been doing it for 34 years and
we've heard stories of teachers

633
00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:46,680
going to the pub at.
Lunchtime.

634
00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:48,350
Yeah, I know.
And I wasn't even really that

635
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,850
long ago.
I know teachers now who are,

636
00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:52,130
who've still got a good, you
know, 10-15 years left of the

637
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:54,020
career who were like, Yep, I
remember at the start of my

638
00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:57,550
career, you know, on a Monday,
when Monday and Wednesday every

639
00:24:57,620 --> 00:25:01,010
week we'd go down the pub at
lunchtime for a whole hour and

640
00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:03,210
we'd have a beer and we'd have,
you know.

641
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,900
And I think I don't know about
you.

642
00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:07,690
I'm up for a pub visit.
You know me, Hayden.

643
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,050
We're always up for going to the
pub.

644
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:12,610
I've always felt slightly
unnerved by that and and this

645
00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:15,510
idea whenever you say it or like
Ohh then that sound great.

646
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,290
It down to the pub.
I've always deep down even if

647
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,760
I've laughed and agreed, I've
always thought oh that's not

648
00:25:21,860 --> 00:25:24,700
quite professional is it?
That's yeah, that's not that's

649
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:27,810
not the it's the beer.
The beer going out food.

650
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:29,890
Of course you can.
The idea of sinking a pint and

651
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:31,770
coming back smelling of ale.
Yeah.

652
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,970
And teaching the children to me,
that's that's a that's a step

653
00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:37,140
too far.
I don't think in in the course

654
00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:38,760
of your day teaching you should
be consuming.

655
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:40,430
Alcohol.
No, but I think that I think the

656
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:43,290
mindset of alcohol in our
country has shifted a lot over

657
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:44,970
the years anyway.
Isn't it used to be a lot more

658
00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:46,980
just downstream people.
I mean, people were drinking

659
00:25:46,990 --> 00:25:48,430
like drive their.
Car yeah.

660
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,800
Literally would do that.
And it was like not even a thing

661
00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:54,060
for quite a long time.
You know it's mad.

662
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:56,920
Definitely, yeah.
So yeah, I mean, they're,

663
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:59,020
they're some of the big changes.
Like culturally what you hear

664
00:25:59,030 --> 00:26:02,520
about, I suppose the big one,
you see a lot online.

665
00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:04,340
And again, I've always thought,
is this true?

666
00:26:04,450 --> 00:26:08,340
It clearly is dwindling respect
of the profession because I

667
00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:11,050
think if you speak to my parents
or anyone who's over just sat in

668
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:14,450
generation, the teacher said
something that was final that

669
00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:16,850
that was it and it was that.
That's it I'm afraid.

670
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:18,520
Yeah, I'm the teacher side, of
course.

671
00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:22,810
Yeah, if the teacher said my kid
has done something, my kids in

672
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:24,460
trouble.
Yeah, but I believe the teacher

673
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:27,850
that I respect them.
Thank you, Mr Teacher, Mr

674
00:26:27,860 --> 00:26:28,510
Teacher.
Whatever.

675
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,850
Because why on earth would you
make that up?

676
00:26:29,860 --> 00:26:31,870
And even if you haven't made-up
my kids going to take on the

677
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,680
chin?
Yeah, because you know, OK, no,

678
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:35,150
no, no, listen, don't, don't
hear it.

679
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,210
Teachers dealt with it, and this
is the conclusion they've come

680
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:38,390
to?
Yeah, that's the conclusion

681
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,990
they've come to.
You're gonna have to learn.

682
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,400
Sometimes it's not fair, Yeah.
But most of the time, the

683
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:43,740
teacher's not making something.
Up.

684
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:44,870
Definitely, definitely change
now.

685
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,800
I mean, I made a meme recently.
Didn't do as well as yours,

686
00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:49,490
obviously, but you know it was.
At 1.2 million.

687
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:51,800
Views.
No, it was about 4000 so mine

688
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:53,630
was close.
Yeah, 1.2.

689
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,070
What's more, 1.2 million?
Ohh no 1.2 million bit.

690
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,010
More no, we need a national
curriculum so that we can both

691
00:26:58,020 --> 00:26:59,960
do.
That anyway.

692
00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:03,320
I mean, the whole point is me
was about I literally said in

693
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:07,210
it, the child has been caught
shoving glue sticks into someone

694
00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:09,810
else's shoes and then the
parents like my my kid, would

695
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,930
never do that.
My kid told me he didn't.

696
00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:13,230
Ohh.
That's fine then.

697
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,770
Ohh, sorry your kid told your
kid told you He didn't.

698
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:17,780
I must have not seen that.
Kids don't lie.

699
00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:19,950
I forget as a teacher when I
taught 1000 children.

700
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,970
The kids don't.
Like it's weird.

701
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,400
And teachers?
Do teachers do teachers?

702
00:27:23,410 --> 00:27:24,330
Do.
What's that?

703
00:27:24,340 --> 00:27:27,010
You saw him do it.
You do teachers eyes, they're

704
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:27,790
weird.
They've got these.

705
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,380
There's something about teachers
eyes.

706
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:31,390
They don't see things properly.
Don't get it.

707
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,250
I don't get it.
I think linked to that though.

708
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:36,620
The kind of idea of the respect
of the teacher.

709
00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:39,240
Yeah, There is something though,
both ways.

710
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,740
Yeah, because I do think that it
was very militant back then.

711
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,860
And I don't necessarily think
it's bad that we shifted from

712
00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:48,220
complete 100%.
Oh my gosh, the teacher's word

713
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:49,240
is final.
That's the end of it.

714
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:51,700
It's awful because I also think
teachers a lot.

715
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:55,680
Back then the attitude was if a
child couldn't do something,

716
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,430
this transform.
Yeah, you're not trying hard

717
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,450
enough.
What do you mean you can't?

718
00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:01,230
What do you mean you can't do
this math because you're not

719
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,990
trying hard enough.
And I'm gonna tell your parents

720
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,470
you're not trying hard enough in
class.

721
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,810
And that links in with SN ASD
autism.

722
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:12,920
I think ADHD, I think a lot more
people back in the day.

723
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:14,890
When I've been back in the day,
I'm talking like more than 20

724
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,450
years ago, I guess.
Yeah, I think a lot more people

725
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:20,690
had a very negative experience
of school and possibly even

726
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:22,530
traumatic, you know, to the
point where people grow up and

727
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:25,130
they really, really hate the
idea of school and then they

728
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:27,980
pass that down, that fear and
that anxiety to their kids.

729
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:31,900
They had such a bad time.
Everyone in the country right

730
00:28:31,910 --> 00:28:34,690
now, me and you, everyone knows
of someone in the older

731
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,360
generations of their family
talking about having a rubber

732
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:39,540
thrown at their head.
Yeah, talking about being caned

733
00:28:39,550 --> 00:28:42,290
by the head teacher.
That stuff doesn't leave you.

734
00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:45,210
It's unbelievable to think that
back then that was acceptable.

735
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,840
And it's another example of how
the big change in education have

736
00:28:47,850 --> 00:28:51,050
been unbelievably good that we,
of course, we can't lay our

737
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:54,450
hands on children anymore.
That is unbelievably crazy to me

738
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:56,650
right now.
And I don't believe that back

739
00:28:56,660 --> 00:28:59,030
then there weren't people who
thought that's wrong.

740
00:28:59,150 --> 00:29:00,530
Yeah, I know.
And it's funny because it's the

741
00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:02,670
irony is like, you know, people
like my grandad are saying, well

742
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,390
say, I mean he won't actually.
But people of that kind of age

743
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,380
will say things like, yeah, I
remember, you know, I got bored

744
00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:09,790
rubber throat in my head when I
was chatting to SO and so it's

745
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,910
good.
We need to bring this stuff

746
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,420
back.
Yeah.

747
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:13,410
And it's sort of like, ohh,
wasn't a bit traumatising.

748
00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:15,140
No, it's like, aren't you?
Aren't you remembering?

749
00:29:15,150 --> 00:29:16,460
This Are you still talking
about?

750
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:18,270
It And you tell me this every
single year.

751
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,270
It sounds like it was a bit
traumatising, actually, and it's

752
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,970
really stuck with you.
And that's not good.

753
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:24,530
Like, you shouldn't really
remember being told off.

754
00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:27,430
You should just be.
And just because you remember,

755
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,670
it seems like it's a good.
Thing.

756
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,460
Yeah, it's like.
Ohh, I didn't do it.

757
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:32,000
Yeah, because you were hit in
the head.

758
00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:34,240
Yeah, and you were lucky enough
to be alright afterwards.

759
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:36,030
Some people would have been
horribly traumatised and it

760
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760
genuinely, genuinely would have
like set them up for a very

761
00:29:38,770 --> 00:29:41,530
different life after that
because they've been literally

762
00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:44,040
physically abused at school.
Like, that's not cool.

763
00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:46,720
No, it's unbelievable.
And I think that the last macro

764
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:48,360
change that we want to talk
about before we get into our

765
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:51,460
experience and again, we hear
this all the time.

766
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:54,790
There was no such thing as
autism back in my day.

767
00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:56,450
Well, these kids just badly
behaved.

768
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:59,980
There's should be ADHD.
Just making excuses for these

769
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:01,250
kids.
Yes, there was.

770
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,210
Yeah.
And those kids were left behind.

771
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,870
Yeah.
And those kids weren't given the

772
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,130
provision they need.
They were the naughty kids.

773
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,900
They were the kids who didn't
try their hardest.

774
00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:10,870
They were the kids who didn't
achieve well.

775
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,770
They still had the.
Needs they What also happened

776
00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:14,430
with those kids, they didn't go
to school.

777
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,150
Yeah.
Yeah.

778
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,710
Sometimes there was so much
shame in it.

779
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,330
Yeah, that's OK.
That doesn't go to school.

780
00:30:18,340 --> 00:30:21,060
Or they get sent to a different
specialist provision school and

781
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:23,490
they maybe don't really need to
be there because they're just a

782
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:26,160
bit naughty.
But yeah, there's a reason these

783
00:30:26,170 --> 00:30:27,960
things just haven't.
They haven't just appeared.

784
00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:30,170
I think people need to kind.
Of you telling me it wasn't the?

785
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:31,910
Vaccines.
Yeah, alright.

786
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,780
People need to kind of get over.
It's a I think it's a really

787
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:37,110
immature thought process.
When I hear people say that, I'm

788
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,770
like, have you really come to
that conclusion If you're not,

789
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:42,600
if you not spent like 10 seconds
thinking about how that's

790
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:43,340
that's.
Ludicrous.

791
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:46,020
When was the last time you were
in a classroom with 32 kids?

792
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:48,240
And from our point of view, we
can.

793
00:30:48,250 --> 00:30:50,220
We notice when there are needs,
right?

794
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:52,150
When was the last time those
people saying it doesn't

795
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,980
existed, that it doesn't exist?
You Have you seen them?

796
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:58,060
No.
Just badly paid, not even badly

797
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:59,510
behaved.
I know they just have needs like

798
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,150
they're not even bad behaviour,
you know such.

799
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,190
A horrible thing to say, isn't
it?

800
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Badly behaved?
What just like can't hold their

801
00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:07,970
concentration for more than 10
seconds because of a literal

802
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:09,740
disposition, like a chemical
disposal?

803
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:12,130
Yeah.
So what we're gonna do as staff,

804
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:13,190
and this is something that's
changed.

805
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,890
I think teachers now think, OK,
if a child doesn't get

806
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,370
something, it's my job to find a
different way.

807
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:22,830
It's my job to kind of help them
find a way to do it.

808
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,040
It's never ever The child can't
do it, though.

809
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,710
It's your fault for not doing
it.

810
00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:30,670
And that has detrimental effects
on our well-being when funding

811
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,500
doesn't happen and we don't get
the help need.

812
00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:35,800
But yeah, overall, it's one of
those big macro changes.

813
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:39,120
I think if you go from general
education, 5060, seventies

814
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:42,700
general education, Northeast,
tens, 20s, it's incomparable.

815
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:45,120
Yeah, it's been for the best.
Yeah, I agree.

816
00:31:45,130 --> 00:31:47,260
I think most of the changes are
for the good.

817
00:31:47,790 --> 00:31:50,420
People might disagree, but what
about recent?

818
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:52,770
Years they've been.
Should we dive a bit?

819
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:56,040
Into OK, let's have a quick
Jingle, get our brains together

820
00:31:56,110 --> 00:31:57,780
and come back and talk about the
recent years.

821
00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:02,700
All right, Hayden.
So there, there's like general

822
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:05,560
macro events that have happened,
the things that have changed in

823
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:06,790
teaching.
But I think what's going to be

824
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,620
really interesting for people
now and hopefully we can really

825
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:12,000
lay this out and articulate it
because teachers will be feeling

826
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:14,780
this and maybe just not being
able to say, well, what, what is

827
00:32:14,790 --> 00:32:17,680
it?
That's why am I so, so, so much

828
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:21,220
now more stressed than I've ever
been, especially in these more

829
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:23,290
recent years.
So we've really thought hard,

830
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,570
haven't we, about what exactly
has changed because we started

831
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:29,320
teaching in 2016, ish
20/15/2016.

832
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:34,610
We're now in 2023.
And I do think that the job of

833
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:38,770
being a teacher is at this point
almost impossible.

834
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,950
I think what is literally laid
out as expected from us.

835
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:46,370
Yeah, I I actually, I'm gonna go
out on a whim now and say it is

836
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:50,370
impossible to deliver all parts
of our job to a high

837
00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:52,320
professional standard all of the
time.

838
00:32:52,530 --> 00:32:53,730
It is impossible.
It is.

839
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,270
Something has to give and people
find that really hard.

840
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,130
I think part of maturing as a
teacher is realising that

841
00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:01,440
something has to give, otherwise
it's you.

842
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:04,760
It's kind of like something's
gotta go or you're leaving this

843
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:06,890
profession, you know?
And that's hard because you

844
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,150
wanna do a really good job.
Of course we do.

845
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,660
We all wanna wanna do a really
good job.

846
00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:11,130
Let's talk about some of the
things.

847
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:14,160
Then we've kind of divided it
into 3 categories and there's a

848
00:33:14,170 --> 00:33:15,460
few little things we'll talk
about each one.

849
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:17,300
So we're going to start by
talking a bit about money, a bit

850
00:33:17,310 --> 00:33:20,120
about funding, because.
We're not talking salaries.

851
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:20,620
No.
Yeah.

852
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:22,460
We're not talking about us, not
about our money here.

853
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:26,620
We're talking about a chronic
and consistent underfunding of

854
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:29,400
schools in the last decade.
And it does go back further.

855
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:31,200
You can go back further, but
let's just think about it in

856
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:31,810
recent.
History.

857
00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:34,560
I'm wearing the, you know, when
we're in primary school,

858
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:38,680
education was ploughed with
money and I felt it, I felt it.

859
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:41,860
I felt we got new things.
We got computer suites, we got

860
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:44,500
new playground equipment,
playground, We got stuff all the

861
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:46,740
time.
And it was really, really good.

862
00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:49,240
And Blair had that whole thing
with the Labour government of

863
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:51,300
education, education, education.
It was.

864
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:54,920
There was a huge drive since
2010.

865
00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:56,220
Austerity.
Hmm.

866
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:58,790
It just, it has been
consistently, if you look at

867
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,850
every graph possible, this isn't
a political spin.

868
00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:04,320
It is a fact.
Every graph possible.

869
00:34:04,330 --> 00:34:06,510
It's been squeezed and squeezed
and we feel.

870
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,810
It do, you know, to be a really
good experiment for people to

871
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:10,210
do.
If you could ever be bothered to

872
00:34:10,219 --> 00:34:13,110
do this, go back.
If you're an adult listening, go

873
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,969
back to your primary school,
right.

874
00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:17,770
And you know, I don't know what
age you are.

875
00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:19,170
This could be like recent
history.

876
00:34:19,179 --> 00:34:21,310
Whatever.
Go back to your primary school

877
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,620
and look around it and I promise
you that there is a very high

878
00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:28,360
chance that you will go around
and it looks exactly the same.

879
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:31,770
Same carpets, same building.
Like there's no new building

880
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:33,300
work, that it's all just a bit
more crumbly.

881
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:35,110
Same roof, same crumbly
concrete.

882
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,460
Same crumbly concrete.
It will be the same kinds of

883
00:34:37,469 --> 00:34:39,610
things on the walls, the same
whole equipment.

884
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:42,929
You know, in the early 2000s
when every single score hall

885
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:46,080
ever, the wooden floor got one
of those wall wall equipment

886
00:34:46,090 --> 00:34:48,210
things installed that no one
ever used because it was too

887
00:34:48,219 --> 00:34:50,679
scary to pull out?
That's still there and there's

888
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:52,040
not been any advancement since
then.

889
00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:54,920
And and I've said this before in
another episode ages ago, that

890
00:34:54,929 --> 00:34:57,440
there was a a TikTok meme of
OHH.

891
00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:59,710
It was supposed to be nostalgic
and like remember, remember all

892
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,190
these?
And it was showing pictures,

893
00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:03,340
benches.
Yeah, 6 benches in year sixes.

894
00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:05,910
Ohh, it's the same.
The little beanbags, the wall

895
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,350
equipment.
And it was like, yeah, none of

896
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,300
that's.
Changed that's not.

897
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,220
The little blue chairs with the
holes in and those tables and

898
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:12,990
the green carpets, it's all
there.

899
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,670
It's all there and just rotted
now.

900
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:17,450
But we have to use it because
there's no funding for

901
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,630
equipment.
There's no funding for tech.

902
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:22,690
It's so hard.
There was a push about 10 years

903
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,880
ago that got iPads in loads of
schools.

904
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,770
I mean, if, if, unless those
iPads are still running, good

905
00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:29,690
luck, yeah, because it's hard to
get any more funding.

906
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:31,190
From you know what did happen as
well?

907
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:33,190
Worst thing that's ever gone
into schools, ever.

908
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:36,070
Chromebooks.
Everyone got a Chromebook.

909
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,200
They never worked.
They never worked.

910
00:35:38,210 --> 00:35:40,190
They cost about £0.10 each, I
think, to run.

911
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,970
Yeah, they they everyone got a
Chromebooks.

912
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:44,150
Cool.
We got a Chromebook each, but

913
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,710
57% of them don't work ever.
And the other lots aren't

914
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,490
charged.
So there's your Chromebook.

915
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,990
God, but yeah.
So chronic underfunding, even in

916
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,450
things like research and having
specialists in your school.

917
00:35:59,460 --> 00:36:03,050
There used to be just a lot more
budget for a school to be like,

918
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:04,510
haha, there's this need in our
school.

919
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,730
We're going to spend 12 grand
this year having this group come

920
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:09,780
in and this specialist, and
we're gonna do these little

921
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:13,180
workshops and bits and bobs to
enrich this part of our culture.

922
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:16,070
Cultural capital of the school
can teach that can teach.

923
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,270
Yeah, that's it.
Now teach that.

924
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,500
Please don't identify the gap.
OK.

925
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,050
What we gonna do about it?
Well, what you put in your

926
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,030
planning.
You do that.

927
00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:24,530
Can you?
Not do specialist music

928
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:27,320
teaching.
No Ohh.

929
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,470
Not gonna get it then because
I've got no money.

930
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,060
I think the number one way for
me as a teacher, I noticed this.

931
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:37,740
So I notice everything you've
been saying.

932
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:41,330
The thing that really, really,
really, really gets me is

933
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:43,180
teaching assistants.
Teaching assistants.

934
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:47,040
It's the number one way where I
think back to me being at school

935
00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:49,520
and I think now teaching
assistants.

936
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:52,290
I felt like at my school when I
was younger, outnumbered

937
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,700
teachers like two or three to
one.

938
00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:56,800
There was like a whole army of
them and they all had specific

939
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:58,760
jobs.
It might be 1 to one, it might

940
00:36:58,770 --> 00:37:01,860
be that they're just literally
assisting in the class as a

941
00:37:01,870 --> 00:37:04,940
teaching assistant.
That's the one thing to me

942
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:08,350
that's absolutely crazy because
I look at maths and English and

943
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,760
we're going to talk about Ofsted
later on in the expectations of

944
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,620
afternoon lessons.
But the big thing for me is I

945
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,690
think what would transform my
job is having a teaching

946
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,700
assistant who is my teaching
assistant all day, works with me

947
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:25,380
as a teacher and we are a team
and we can plan.

948
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:27,930
I'm going to do the planning on
the teacher of course, but we

949
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:32,300
can literally together plan out
our day and and we work as a

950
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:34,760
team.
Not shared with the other year

951
00:37:34,770 --> 00:37:36,110
group for the rest of the year
group.

952
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,350
Sorry, yeah, because at the
minute I think I probably get a

953
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,700
TA for 50% of my morning
lessons, not even every maths

954
00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:46,200
lesson in your lesson.
And never once for an afternoon.

955
00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:48,310
Lesson and that standard by the
way, that's not just our school.

956
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,680
That's just that's just pretty
standard.

957
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:51,820
Depends, you know just depends
where you are.

958
00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:54,490
Depends what class you got.
And it's quite reasonable now

959
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,470
for people to have nothing at
all at all times in the day.

960
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,750
Maybe you're in a school that
sets viability and the TAS have

961
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,560
just been that, you know,
they're they're limited resource

962
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:05,760
and they've all gone to the the
lower sets that need more handle

963
00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:07,320
support.
And you happen to be teaching

964
00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:09,700
higher sets all morning and and
you just don't.

965
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:12,800
Have any By the way, I still 8
years old and need help.

966
00:38:12,810 --> 00:38:13,460
Yeah.
Yeah.

967
00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:16,120
And you also the point is and
here's here's the big change

968
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:19,820
right not only has the has the
funding you know caused us to

969
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:25,690
have less TCAS fewer fewer TA
always catches now we do on

970
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,120
purpose now that's my my rules
for.

971
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:31,690
Notice the mistake?
Well done, yeah.

972
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,110
Fewer mistakes from me, please.
Yeah.

973
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:35,490
Yes.
Confused.

974
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,620
Me.
Yeah.

975
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:39,960
So not only the funding has
affected a it's it's their role

976
00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:41,900
as well.
So like you were just saying I

977
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:44,090
it definitely used to be a team.
There was a team spirit.

978
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,860
It was like the TA and the
teacher, they were just this

979
00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:48,220
little unit and between them
they did what they needed to do.

980
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:49,780
It doesn't feel like that
anymore.

981
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:52,900
That you'll be very lucky to
have that is very much.

982
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:55,310
You might have a little bit of
support and they're not really

983
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,020
your tea.
They're also being pulled from

984
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:57,930
pillar to.
Post and they're doing

985
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:00,220
interventions and probably
taking some children out in the

986
00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:01,790
afternoon to do some extra maths
or something.

987
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,570
Yeah, Or you know, but it's just
gone.

988
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:08,340
Says where it might be that the
teacher just needs some literal

989
00:39:08,350 --> 00:39:11,420
assistance, not with the kids
from and it just literally they

990
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:14,420
need help because they've got
tonnes of jobs to do and they're

991
00:39:14,430 --> 00:39:15,600
in charge.
They're the manager of the

992
00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:18,720
classroom and they need someone
to go and pick up this.

993
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:20,460
Could you print that?
Would you mind just putting this

994
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:21,680
up on the wall for me?
Can you go and get the

995
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:24,040
medication for that kid and just
sort this out for me?

996
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,160
You just can't do that anymore,
I think.

997
00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:28,330
We're going to talk more about
this later, I think, when we

998
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:30,760
talk about afternoons, sure,
because that would be really

999
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:32,500
interesting.
But I guess the last thing to do

1000
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:37,970
with funding for me, and it's a
huge gaping gap because whilst

1001
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:41,880
we talked in the gaping gap, I
don't know what gap isn't

1002
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:43,340
gambling.
This is a gaping gap.

1003
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:46,760
And the point though is we
talked about our macro change of

1004
00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:49,620
SEM provision, special
educational needs being a lot

1005
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:52,540
more on the map and and us being
way more aware of it.

1006
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:55,000
Yeah, which is great, which is
absolutely fantastic.

1007
00:39:55,090 --> 00:39:58,660
What's horrendous is that then
it stops.

1008
00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:02,320
So as a teacher, from my point
of view, what's happening is OK,

1009
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:05,400
this child's getting a provision
plan.

1010
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:07,840
Fantastic.
Getting this education, health

1011
00:40:07,850 --> 00:40:10,040
and care plan amazing.
Getting diagnosis, brilliant.

1012
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:11,370
I think we know all about their
needs.

1013
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,800
Down we can really cater to
that.

1014
00:40:13,650 --> 00:40:17,460
How are we going to cater to
that and what what do you mean?

1015
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:19,620
We this lower case it really.
Yeah, there you.

1016
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:20,880
Go, mate.
Off you go.

1017
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:22,010
No.
Look, there's the report.

1018
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:22,920
Now.
We gonna take you to it?

1019
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:24,010
No.
They've given you.

1020
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:25,360
Sorry.
Have you got any funding for me

1021
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:27,600
to implement any of?
Yeah, we spent on getting the

1022
00:40:27,610 --> 00:40:28,740
report.
OK.

1023
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:30,500
Yeah, that's all we've got.
And isn't it something crazy

1024
00:40:30,510 --> 00:40:34,680
like the 1st 10,000 lbs of
someone's need has to be funded?

1025
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:36,570
By the school, I think that's
with educational healthcare.

1026
00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:38,360
Plans.
So what they're basically saying

1027
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:41,900
is that if you go through the
rigmarole of helping a child

1028
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:44,450
needs an education health care
plan, you're gonna put a 10

1029
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:46,380
grand hole in your.
Budget on the school budget?

1030
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:48,450
Yeah, it really takes a hit.
It makes it very hard.

1031
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:51,340
For So what?
What if you have seven children

1032
00:40:51,350 --> 00:40:53,500
in your class who absolutely
need support?

1033
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,330
Sorry, 70 grand before we do
anything.

1034
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:56,080
Tough.
We've seen it.

1035
00:40:56,090 --> 00:40:57,840
We've seen it happen year after
year after year.

1036
00:40:57,850 --> 00:40:59,580
I've seen it happen every single
year in my career.

1037
00:40:59,590 --> 00:41:01,770
Children get left behind.
Yeah they do and it's horrible.

1038
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:02,710
Look at them.
I think.

1039
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,060
Ohh, you deserve it just as much
as.

1040
00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:04,920
That person.
And you know what?

1041
00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:06,820
Do you know what?
Obviously I'm not gonna pretend

1042
00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:09,080
that we are more of a detriment
than the child who might be

1043
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,970
getting what they need.
But that's on us mentally that

1044
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:14,680
we know that these lovely
children who are under our care,

1045
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:17,720
who we are paid to look after
every single day and help

1046
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:20,860
develop and meet their needs, We
physically cannot do that

1047
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:24,740
because we don't have what's in
place needed, that we have all

1048
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:26,660
agreed because there's been a
plan approved.

1049
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:29,380
Everyone in the system agrees
that the child needs this, but

1050
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:31,400
it's down to you to do with no
funding and no help.

1051
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:32,620
Yeah, no.
And UTI's gone.

1052
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:34,740
Yeah, and there's no, there's
no, there's nothing there.

1053
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:38,060
We are at the end game of the
funding crisis and I think to to

1054
00:41:38,070 --> 00:41:42,610
summarise this whole funding
thing it it is completely broken

1055
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:45,930
and we are not making when we go
on strike and when we shout out

1056
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:48,470
about this, we're not doing it
because we're lazy, we're not

1057
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,490
doing it.
We like moaning.

1058
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,490
We're doing it because we live
this job.

1059
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,050
We are.
We love this job and it is

1060
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:55,010
completely.
Broken.

1061
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:57,350
It's failing the kid.
We get to watch it first hand,

1062
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,210
fail a lot of these children and
you just think, God, there

1063
00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:02,550
could, there could be so much
more in place for these children

1064
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,100
with just a little bit of money,
a bit of funding and it's not

1065
00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:06,610
there.
So it's double edged blade.

1066
00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:11,030
Yes, we think it's great blade,
double edged sword, sword, same

1067
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,050
thing.
All right, all right.

1068
00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:14,210
Let's just stick from now on and
the same.

1069
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:15,700
Who are you?
Who are you calling me out on

1070
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:18,920
these gaping gaps?
You crazy, man.

1071
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:23,890
It's a double edged sword
because yes, overall the change

1072
00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:27,460
towards SEM provision has been
great because it's way more

1073
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:28,840
recognised now.
Capability.

1074
00:42:28,850 --> 00:42:32,110
Yeah, you know, that's great.
But the funding availability?

1075
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,470
The funding.
The funding hasn't kept up with.

1076
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,190
It.
I meant accessibility, vision,

1077
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,510
you know, we.
Just say what someone else is

1078
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,860
saying.
Like, yeah, yeah, but that's the

1079
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:43,800
problem.
It's not kept out.

1080
00:42:43,810 --> 00:42:46,590
The funding hasn't kept up with
the research and understanding

1081
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,840
of these children's needs, which
is really hard because then we

1082
00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:51,850
just get to watch the system
fail, great part of teaching.

1083
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:54,250
In the 70s it didn't exist.
We were blind to it.

1084
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:56,300
Now we know it's there and it
still doesn't get.

1085
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:57,430
Sorted.
Yes, woo.

1086
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,310
Brilliant.
Right.

1087
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,020
Let's talk about our next sort
of topic of conversation.

1088
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:03,550
I guess so.
Since we started, since we

1089
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,710
started school, this has been,
it's unimaginable to me this

1090
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,430
change it.
I I can't actually fathom it.

1091
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,610
Looking back now that it used to
be.

1092
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:16,230
We teach maths and English and
then we do some topic in the

1093
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,280
afternoon and with some science.
It wasn't low stakes, OK?

1094
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:21,310
We still want to make some
fantastic and we have some fun

1095
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,310
lessons.
We might do some geography where

1096
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,660
we looking at some maps and we
go outside for a bit history.

1097
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:29,210
We'll get some artefacts out and
discuss them and that's cool

1098
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:32,440
because these are 7 year olds so
that is all they need to do is

1099
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:34,510
just have a little chat.
About actually need to remember.

1100
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,130
Certain facts?
No, they do.

1101
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:38,290
They do now.
Yeah, because in 2019 there was

1102
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:42,440
a new Ofsted and that framework
has single handedly ruined this

1103
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:44,850
profession in my opinion.
No, we I do.

1104
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:46,260
Think big words and.
Doesn't.

1105
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:47,540
No, no.
Because we talk about the

1106
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:49,560
funding.
Yeah, that you know, teachers

1107
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:51,520
with miracle workers and will
always put the kids first.

1108
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:53,520
And we are professionals and we
do make sure children get what

1109
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:57,020
they need.
So jokes aside and stress aside,

1110
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:59,960
the annoying thing about the
underfunding is they're such a

1111
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:02,810
fantastic teachers out there
that we are kind of plugging

1112
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:04,110
those.
Gaps and pick up the slack.

1113
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,300
Picking up the slack and and
that's why we're so stressed.

1114
00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:08,910
That's why we're so stressed.
But however with the Ofsted

1115
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,670
unless you follow this
framework, you're at risk of

1116
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,650
your score being deemed requires
improvement and then head loses

1117
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:17,470
their job.
Everything down the pan.

1118
00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:19,250
Yep.
So Hayden can you just very

1119
00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:21,930
quickly summarise for anyone who
doesn't know what we're talking

1120
00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,110
about.
Firstly, what do we even mean by

1121
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,470
a framework?
What happened in 2019?

1122
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,770
How did this shift and change
our job a lot when it comes to

1123
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,800
afternoon.
Lessons.

1124
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:33,050
So you probably know what often
is and you know their job is to

1125
00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:35,430
keep schools accountable and
they have their own framework

1126
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,440
documents so that when they go
into schools that all of their

1127
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:39,780
inspectors, they're all
consistent and they know what

1128
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:42,190
they're looking for.
And what I guess the major

1129
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,600
change in 2019 was this idea
that any sub they can look at

1130
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:50,730
any subject, including all of
the afternoon subjects in

1131
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:55,250
extreme detail and they will
scrutinise at any one subject to

1132
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:58,010
an extreme level.
Whereas before there was a there

1133
00:44:58,020 --> 00:44:59,630
was a bit more of a kind of a
surface approach.

1134
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,640
They might, they might do that
with English because they are

1135
00:45:01,650 --> 00:45:03,490
the core subjects, and with
science.

1136
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,320
But when it comes to those
afternoon subjects, when it

1137
00:45:06,330 --> 00:45:09,880
comes to maybe PE and geography,
history and music and languages

1138
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:12,070
and RE, it might to be a bit
more of A.

1139
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,270
Let's just check that you've got
a curriculum you're following

1140
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,720
and the children are being
enriched and they're they're

1141
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:19,030
developing some understanding of
of these subjects because they

1142
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,110
are primary school that they'll
go to secondary school and

1143
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,720
become a bit more specialised in
areas in those.

1144
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:27,490
Subjects with specialised.
Teachers with teachers who only

1145
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,450
teach that thing.
So what it's done is it's put

1146
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:34,250
this immense pressure on schools
to make sure that every teacher

1147
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:38,140
is an absolute specialist in
every single subject, which is

1148
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:39,970
which you might think, wow,
that's great.

1149
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:43,470
And yeah, I in the ideal world,
that is great, isn't it?

1150
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,580
That does sound good.
Imagine having skilled teachers

1151
00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:47,200
that well, it's like Kate.
Cool.

1152
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,360
It's not real though, is it?
And also where where does that

1153
00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:51,400
come from?
It's Ohh.

1154
00:45:51,410 --> 00:45:53,320
Suddenly I'm just going to be
that skill now.

1155
00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:54,940
It's no, no.
It's going to come out of my

1156
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:56,790
time and it's going to be very
stressful.

1157
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,290
And it manifests in the idea
then since then, leading a

1158
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:03,300
subject has become the most
toxic thing you honestly could

1159
00:46:03,310 --> 00:46:05,820
possibly do to someone's
well-being, because you don't

1160
00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:08,740
get paid for it.
You simply don't get paid for

1161
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:11,070
it.
So you've got to do this change

1162
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,250
in school progression documents,
make sure everything is really

1163
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:16,390
clear between year three and
year four, then your five.

1164
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,080
And how is that going if you're
in history?

1165
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:19,510
How's the chronology getting
better?

1166
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,690
And how's their understanding of
sources getting better?

1167
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:23,630
And how's all the, you know, all
the different strands of

1168
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,810
history?
There's gotta be progression

1169
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:26,880
throughout the whole school.
You're in charge of that, by the

1170
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:28,000
way.
You've got, you've got to make

1171
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:31,560
that OK.
Not only am I not a history

1172
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:34,730
specialist, so I don't know what
you're talking about, I also am

1173
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:37,770
just delivering my job of
teaching, which is all my time

1174
00:46:37,780 --> 00:46:39,550
already.
That's all my time gone already.

1175
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:42,700
And now you want me to be a
specialist in history And I made

1176
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:45,700
a meme about this.
The joke was you know, a a head

1177
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:47,500
teacher buttering up someone
saying how ohh.

1178
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:50,860
Who's that wonderful girl?
Because my dad's asked you to

1179
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:51,780
leave geography.
For nothing.

1180
00:46:51,790 --> 00:46:54,300
Yeah, yeah, it's it's the fact
that it doesn't come with pay

1181
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:56,400
your time.
It's just insanity.

1182
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:59,660
Even just time is a bit like a
bit cheeky, Not actually paying

1183
00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:02,480
me for it, but at least I'm
reducing time from my other job

1184
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:05,140
and just pay is still a bit like
what's a bit cheesy because I do

1185
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:07,690
work full time hours already.
You are just kind of paying me

1186
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:10,100
to do it my weekends.
And it's never it's never worth

1187
00:47:10,110 --> 00:47:11,480
it.
No, Not at all.

1188
00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:12,590
Never.
Never perfect.

1189
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:15,350
So yeah, Office 2019 did mess
things up a little bit.

1190
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,650
We've definitely felt the
change, especially post COVID

1191
00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:22,390
when those when it was even more
imperative to catch these kids

1192
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,350
up.
But I think the main issue I

1193
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,490
have is it's become really
knowledged based.

1194
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:30,990
And boring, Yeah, it is.
On the whole, I think there's

1195
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,970
big changes you can make to
curriculums to make them better.

1196
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:37,050
And I think progression is cool
and I understand it, but the

1197
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:41,190
lead into knowledge.
I agree with you more and more

1198
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,330
as time goes on.
I don't care if a child doesn't

1199
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:46,330
know when Tutankhamun's tomb was
found.

1200
00:47:46,340 --> 00:47:48,390
Umm.
However, what would be really

1201
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,340
cool would be to talk about what
was in the tomb.

1202
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:51,310
Hmm.
And why they?

1203
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,580
Went and found it.
And knowing the ancient, what

1204
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:55,790
the ancient Egyptians were,
Yeah, just having that kind of

1205
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,610
more interesting level of
knowledge.

1206
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:59,430
Do you know what?
7 year old.

1207
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,190
If you really find this
interesting, you can go and do a

1208
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,490
bit more research on it.
And you might even do it in the

1209
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,750
next five years of secondary
school when you have a

1210
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,770
specialist history teacher that
knows loads about.

1211
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:11,670
It I think the job has to be
right and this is where it's

1212
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,240
changed and it's more stressful
than ever.

1213
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,460
I would love my job to be to get
children to be able to read,

1214
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:19,620
understand well, to be able to
do the most basic of maths and

1215
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:21,300
understand that there are
problems that they can work

1216
00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:24,680
towards and have methods on how
to solve them and have a love of

1217
00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:28,160
learning other things.
And that's enough.

1218
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:31,260
They they don't have to leave
second primary school, sorry,

1219
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:36,440
knowing what the rock formation
was in an ancient in Pompeii.

1220
00:48:36,490 --> 00:48:39,610
I don't care if they know that's
metamorphic or not.

1221
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:42,190
Or sedimentary or whatever.
I don't actually care.

1222
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:45,250
What I care about is, I imagine,
if they were hooked by the

1223
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:47,030
story.
Are there any volcanoes in Peru

1224
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,130
and are they active or dormant?
They kids don't care, yeah, why

1225
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:52,890
would they care about that?
Yeah, it's so uninteresting and

1226
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,430
boring.
But kids to most.

1227
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,430
People, but I've seen kids and
this is the beauty of being in a

1228
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,630
primary school.
They can get hooked on a rocks

1229
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,300
lesson.
They can get hooked on it

1230
00:49:01,310 --> 00:49:03,730
because they're going to just go
and get some rocks from the

1231
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:05,480
playground.
Whenever I've done rocks with

1232
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:08,370
children before for weeks
afterwards, I get children come

1233
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:09,660
in the morning.
I found a rock.

1234
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,720
Yeah, they just bring me a rock
and it's like that.

1235
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:14,400
That is all I care about.
Yeah, you, if you couldn't tell

1236
00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:15,940
me, how old do you think that
rock is?

1237
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:18,860
Because based on the lines and
the sedimentary build up, I

1238
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:20,860
couldn't care.
Less, but if you could tell me

1239
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:25,000
if a kid said to me I want to go
and find out excellent X or Y

1240
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:26,580
about this, then I'd be like
I've done my job.

1241
00:49:26,590 --> 00:49:28,220
Well good.
I don't care if they memorised

1242
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:29,420
it now, but this is just a
memory test.

1243
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:31,440
It's all a memory test.
Now we're really going down this

1244
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:34,570
rabbit hole in education of test
and memory on everything.

1245
00:49:34,580 --> 00:49:37,240
It's such a stupid way of
standardising children.

1246
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,760
And I suppose to summarise how
has that changed over our

1247
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:41,570
career?
I think it's just it's it's

1248
00:49:41,580 --> 00:49:46,080
workload and its expectation
with absolutely no extra

1249
00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:47,700
support, and it links back to
what we're saying.

1250
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:50,460
And that's the point I wanted to
make about a because we have

1251
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:53,010
this really high bar now.
That bar has been raised and

1252
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:55,220
raised and raised for afternoon
lessons.

1253
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,330
You can come at me and tell me
that's a good thing, all you

1254
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:58,950
want.
And I'd be hard for me to argue

1255
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,620
against it, to say for the same
reason it was good that

1256
00:50:01,630 --> 00:50:04,090
curriculum came in general, of
course.

1257
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,070
Is it good that we have higher
standards for history and

1258
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,090
science?
Of course.

1259
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,810
It's hard for me to argue, no,
but it has to come alongside.

1260
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:13,070
Funding has to come alongside
support, because I bet you now

1261
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,460
if you're a teacher listening to
this podcast, you have help in

1262
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:18,740
the mornings for English and
maths at some point.

1263
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:21,520
And you probably have smaller
groups because you might have

1264
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,860
people premium funding to get an
extra teacher and do sets and

1265
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:26,380
things like that.
I bet you have nothing in the.

1266
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:29,100
Afternoon, and I bet it's your
longest subjects as well.

1267
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:32,820
The idea of an 8 year old doing
a two hour 20 or two hour 30

1268
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:35,800
lesson in the afternoon where
it's pure, you've got to

1269
00:50:35,810 --> 00:50:38,890
remember all these historical
facts is mental.

1270
00:50:40,090 --> 00:50:41,540
Without break, Yeah.
Without break.

1271
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:43,590
Some schools have breaks.
Most schools don't know in the

1272
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,120
afternoon.
It's just like a big chunk.

1273
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:47,420
Of we got loads of support,
loads of extra input from maths

1274
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:49,640
and English, real with help, and
it's only for an hour and a half

1275
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:51,850
ish, but in the afternoon you're
on your own.

1276
00:50:51,860 --> 00:50:52,900
It's 2 1/2 hours and got to
know.

1277
00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:54,740
Everything and make sure you
don't forget the three hours of

1278
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:56,270
English did before.
That I know.

1279
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,740
Already exhausted, Tough.
You're really tired and you

1280
00:50:58,750 --> 00:51:00,560
don't want to work hard to OK,
cool.

1281
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:02,780
Well, that's tough because I'm
going to get judged on it.

1282
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:04,820
And by the way, afterwards I
need to assess you on every

1283
00:51:04,830 --> 00:51:06,400
single tiny strand in.
Every single.

1284
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:13,220
My happy memories of school are
100% doing nice fun things in

1285
00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:16,620
the afternoon that got me
interested in the stuff that

1286
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:18,590
that is it.
Yeah, I know I did Tudors,

1287
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,470
right?
Yeah.

1288
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,670
I couldn't tell you now.
I probably could.

1289
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,070
So it's bad example, but I
couldn't tell you.

1290
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,690
For example, when Queen
Elizabeth was born, I'm sure I

1291
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,150
got taught.
But do you know what I remember

1292
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,650
that she was a leader who never
married and she was part of the

1293
00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:35,600
Spanish Armada.
And we had this whole thing was

1294
00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:38,040
like, wow, that's cool.
That's really interesting.

1295
00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:40,350
And what, You know, Henry the
Eighth was this unbelievable

1296
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,350
tyrant.
They were just split from the

1297
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,610
church and made-up this new
religion.

1298
00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:45,620
Like, wow, I remember that.
That's really interesting.

1299
00:51:45,630 --> 00:51:47,480
Yeah, I don't remember the
single.

1300
00:51:47,490 --> 00:51:49,380
Remember the the type of
material that was used to make

1301
00:51:49,390 --> 00:51:51,880
his his cloaks.
That's the kind of random.

1302
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:53,520
Nonsense.
What was the chronological link

1303
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:55,380
between that and the Victorians?
He shot.

1304
00:51:55,390 --> 00:51:57,530
Yeah, Tell tell me about
democracy in that time.

1305
00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:01,570
How did democracy change from
the Stone Age?

1306
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:03,220
Yeah, to the victory Don't.
Care.

1307
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:05,530
And you know what?
I don't even have a huge problem

1308
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:07,570
with having those discussions.
I just don't like when it's

1309
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:09,810
forced in.
If there's a time where you

1310
00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:11,450
think this is, the kids are
really interested in this, and

1311
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:13,730
this is a good way to talk about
democracy, That's an important

1312
00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:15,710
concept to understand.
Cool.

1313
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,780
It's just.
But it doesn't matter if a 10

1314
00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:20,030
year old cannot make a
democratic link throughout

1315
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,100
history, no.
No, of course it doesn't.

1316
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,370
Let's go into the last.
One, let's be quick here because

1317
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:26,290
we are coming towards the end of
the episode.

1318
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:29,580
But there is one more thing.
I think it's huge think this is

1319
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:33,320
could have sneaked into macro,
but I do think that there's a

1320
00:52:33,330 --> 00:52:35,400
part of this which really has
been intensified, especially

1321
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:36,860
since COVID in my opinion.
Yeah.

1322
00:52:36,930 --> 00:52:40,520
And that is the digital age, OK.
I think the digital age in

1323
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:42,920
general, we can talk about all
the positives and the ways that

1324
00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:44,300
we can use technology to help
us.

1325
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:46,330
But I think there's two strands
to this.

1326
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,920
And the first one is direct
access to your teacher.

1327
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:51,660
I don't think that was ever a
thing previously.

1328
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:54,320
The idea now that in a lot of
schools, luckily not our school

1329
00:52:54,330 --> 00:52:57,000
very well managed, I think every
school should be like this, but

1330
00:52:57,010 --> 00:52:58,660
a lot of schools just 24/7
access.

1331
00:52:58,670 --> 00:53:01,930
You could receive an e-mail at
9:00 PM from SLT saying do this

1332
00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:04,200
for tomorrow.
You could receive an e-mail at

1333
00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:05,970
6:30 in the morning from a
teacher saying, ohh, my son's

1334
00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:08,000
going to be doing this today.
Can you please make sure that

1335
00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:09,010
you keep an eye on him?
Hmm.

1336
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,090
Can you please make sure you
don't message me because I'll do

1337
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,150
my job?
Without you telling me, that's

1338
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,130
not even the worst here.
That's a bad tear, by the way.

1339
00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:15,920
And if that happens in your
school, you just say no, it's

1340
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:17,990
not my working hours.
You absolutely never, ever, ever

1341
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,390
report response.
You might want to read it.

1342
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,390
That's why it's up to you.
Yeah.

1343
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,310
Don't respond to an e-mail at
9:00 PM because then it will

1344
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,470
just set this precedent.
But that's that's Tier 1.

1345
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:26,900
Tier 2 is that happens.
And also parents have direct

1346
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:28,970
access to you as well and
through whatever system your

1347
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:31,240
school has.
And we'll and can just message

1348
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:34,510
you at any point in the day.
And again if there's a bad

1349
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,540
culture in your school, they
will expect a reply.

1350
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Yeah, certain point you just
think that's mad.

1351
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:41,220
That did not happen before back
in the like the the macro

1352
00:53:41,230 --> 00:53:42,540
conversation titled.
Isn't.

1353
00:53:42,550 --> 00:53:45,880
It yeah, is extremely entitled
as if we're just.

1354
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:48,710
Ohh, just yeah.
Would you ever just message your

1355
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,770
doctor at half six going excuse
me?

1356
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:53,060
Yeah, That thing you tried, it's
not working.

1357
00:53:53,070 --> 00:53:54,170
No, you'd be on the phone for
10.

1358
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:54,850
Minutes.
Yeah, Yeah.

1359
00:53:54,860 --> 00:53:55,440
The next.
They have.

1360
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:58,430
They have a reception putting
you in to not even book you in.

1361
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,820
Yeah, so.
Not only are you talking to

1362
00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:02,520
someone else, you don't even get
to talk to the doctor at the

1363
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:03,990
end.
It's like, at what point did we

1364
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,060
become these fools who just
again, just from a parent

1365
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:09,250
saying, ohh, I'm sorry my
daughter said that this thing

1366
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:10,690
happened today and she wasn't
happy about it.

1367
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:12,400
Yeah, all right.
Quick thing, by the way, it's

1368
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:14,590
really, really short.
I rang 2 dentists yesterday

1369
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,540
really bad toothache.
I'm not signed up for the just.

1370
00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:19,770
E-mail them direct e-mail.
Yeah yeah I just messaged

1371
00:54:19,780 --> 00:54:22,890
message rang 2 dentists and I
explained my situation said I

1372
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,410
don't think I remember can I can
I get some sort of NHS

1373
00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:28,290
membership because obviously I
am I I do I am a paying member

1374
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:30,730
of this country.
And the answer hilariously it

1375
00:54:30,740 --> 00:54:33,730
was like ohh no.
That was it.

1376
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:37,270
Is there a way to get?
Is there a way to get in No

1377
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:38,590
fully?
Fully.

1378
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:42,650
I've got a hole in my tooth.
Ohh ah bye.

1379
00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:45,050
That's a shame.
Can I get, can I get on that

1380
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:47,110
list?
No, there's no space.

1381
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:49,610
No dentist, OK can no get a
list.

1382
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:51,600
Thank you.
Bye bye.

1383
00:54:51,610 --> 00:54:53,510
Now I've just got a horrible
toothache and I don't really

1384
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,790
know what to do.
I have to pay private but.

1385
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,670
Maybe you'll start screaming
like river.

1386
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,030
Every time you change your
nappy.

1387
00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:03,640
Last thing on this, because I
think this is LinkedIn something

1388
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:05,870
that's changed a lot and it's to
do with the whole media thing

1389
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,710
culture.
It's just it's just smartphone

1390
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:12,130
usage and and I think why that's
changed in the last few years is

1391
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:14,790
it used to be when Maria school,
there's still mobile phones but

1392
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
it was literally a mobile phone.
I could call someone like a text

1393
00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:19,980
someone there might be some
things going on all texting each

1394
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:23,320
other inappropriate things might
be bullying or going on and

1395
00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:26,420
that's to do with the teachers.
But but these days if there's

1396
00:55:26,430 --> 00:55:28,850
something going on WhatsApp
group chat, suddenly it's the

1397
00:55:28,860 --> 00:55:31,510
teachers problem to try and sort
out if it's outside of work.

1398
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,800
And I'm sorry, it's the parents
job.

1399
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:34,720
Don't give your child WhatsApp
if they can't handle it.

1400
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:37,510
Yeah and if there's a problem
going, don't come to me, go to

1401
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,040
the other parents.
You know it's it's not I I I

1402
00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:41,260
find it crazy.
That's even in our.

1403
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:43,350
Jurisdiction primary school
drives me crazy of these things.

1404
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,650
Secondary schools are different
game because they are at the age

1405
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:46,710
where they can actually have
these things.

1406
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:48,920
But primary school drives me
insane because it's like it's

1407
00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:51,200
quite clearly they're very well.
They're very well advertised as

1408
00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:54,220
being like 13 plus quite or 11
plus or whatever.

1409
00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:57,320
I'm like no one at primary
school is actually technically

1410
00:55:57,330 --> 00:55:59,100
should be like.
So it's never my problem.

1411
00:55:59,110 --> 00:56:01,300
I literally, I'm like, no, they
shouldn't.

1412
00:56:01,380 --> 00:56:03,810
You're choosing that your kid
used that thing.

1413
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,580
It is not absolutely not my
problem now if if some drama

1414
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:09,310
happens outside of school, but
it's the thing, isn't it?

1415
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,490
That's changed a lot over the
years.

1416
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,010
It's just this expectation that
we will get.

1417
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:14,510
Involved somehow it's because
they're just children in our

1418
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,470
class and I get we we we do.
I don't know what to think.

1419
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,530
We don't feel this bond with our
children that we want to help

1420
00:56:20,540 --> 00:56:23,770
them whenever we can.
But there is a line is is my job

1421
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:27,790
to teach them stuff.
I'm It's not my job, I don't

1422
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,230
think.
Or it shouldn't be, at least to

1423
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,340
solve issues outside of Go on
apps you let your children

1424
00:56:33,350 --> 00:56:35,220
download on phones you.
Buy that we don't let them use

1425
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:37,090
in school.
If it was on an iPad in school,

1426
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:38,870
my job.
My job completely, yeah, yeah,

1427
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,310
it's on an internal system.
My.

1428
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:41,380
Job.
And The thing is, I say that I

1429
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:43,850
know I've never said no, I've
never once turned down that

1430
00:56:43,860 --> 00:56:45,120
help.
I've always got involved in

1431
00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:46,190
help.
But there is that in the back of

1432
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:47,450
my head.
I'm like for God's and again.

1433
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:49,690
Of course we'll help cause we're
then kind of people, but I just

1434
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,630
that's another thing.
It's another string to our bow

1435
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,890
right now, which we it's just
adding to our workload

1436
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:56,430
relentlessly.
So and the one last thing with

1437
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,960
smartphones and we'll finish
this bit the worst thing now and

1438
00:56:58,970 --> 00:57:01,190
this has changed and we're
talking like three or four years

1439
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,030
now even from when we started.
And smartphones are already a

1440
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,430
problem is it is those is TikTok
and Instagram reels and things

1441
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,110
because they are so unfiltered
and driven by an algorithm of

1442
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,670
what you like watching.
As soon as a kid gets fed

1443
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,630
something and they remotely
linger on it a bit too long.

1444
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,630
Feeds them more.
Feeds them more so much

1445
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,110
inappropriate content.
On TikTok I use TikTok and it's

1446
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,620
horribly inappropriate.
I'm an adult and I can philtre

1447
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:27,450
that content myself and I.
But I often will be scrolling

1448
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:29,680
through and I'm thinking through
the lens of a kid in my class.

1449
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:32,350
I feel like, you know what if if
some of these videos popped up

1450
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,280
that are just genuinely
violence, you'll get one that I

1451
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:36,690
get.
I'll get think something like

1452
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,350
racist or something.
I'm like that someone's making a

1453
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,560
racist joke in in a in a on a
little tick tock video here to

1454
00:57:41,570 --> 00:57:44,940
get some laughs, hopefully by
people that maybe understand the

1455
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:47,300
nuance or they're just being
horribly racist and you think

1456
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,750
kids can consume that?
Yep.

1457
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,620
And they don't have the
intelligence, the philtre to be

1458
00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:53,750
like, oh that's disgusting.
That's someone that's just free

1459
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,440
media that someone put on there.
And I'm like kids can watch this

1460
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:59,610
stuff, man.
And it really impacts them.

1461
00:57:59,620 --> 00:58:00,970
Of course they talk about it.
How many?

1462
00:58:00,980 --> 00:58:05,870
Children mention Elon Musk got
Andrew Tate, Ohh Andrew KSI,

1463
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,330
Logan Paul.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1464
00:58:07,390 --> 00:58:08,510
I'm sorry.
I don't care.

1465
00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:09,790
I'm in France.
They are for adults.

1466
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,200
If you like them, crack on mate.
Don't bother me for the fact

1467
00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:16,480
that the way that the people
like KSI and Logan Paul pretend

1468
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:18,730
that they're marketing to
adults, when really they're just

1469
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:21,220
absolutely rinsing.
Kids watch time on for ad

1470
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:22,900
revenue.
It's weird and prime and things

1471
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:27,070
like that, but the things they
churn out is just adult content.

1472
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,630
It's not appropriate, disgusting
because I have no problem with

1473
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,560
people, obviously, because kids
TV, the kids media exist and

1474
00:58:33,570 --> 00:58:35,840
adult TV can exist and adult
content can exist.

1475
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:39,100
But there is a chasm right now
on YouTube and TikTok that we

1476
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:42,460
have these influencers who are
absolutely rinsing child's watch

1477
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:45,420
time for ad revenue whilst
pretending it's for adults and

1478
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:47,670
they know full well that they
are marketing to kids.

1479
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,000
There's no way Prime is not
marketed to children with

1480
00:58:50,010 --> 00:58:51,530
Bright.
Yellow colours under 10 years.

1481
00:58:51,540 --> 00:58:52,910
How many adults have drank
prime?

1482
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:53,760
Gone.
All that's delicious.

1483
00:58:53,770 --> 00:58:55,690
Yeah, I'll keep buying those.
No, it's.

1484
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:58,150
I'll collect the bottles.
It's for 12 year olds and and

1485
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,670
let's stop pretending it's not.
And then when they they release

1486
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,120
their podcasts and things,
they're just talking like in a

1487
00:59:03,130 --> 00:59:06,690
very inappropriate about adult
content, knowing full well that

1488
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:09,060
their audience are 12 year olds.
It's.

1489
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:10,600
Disgusting.
It's Dodge and it seems his way

1490
00:59:10,610 --> 00:59:11,800
into school.
That's a big change.

1491
00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:16,000
We've seen smartphones and their
usage is becoming a real problem

1492
00:59:16,750 --> 00:59:19,640
both in cyber bullying and the
things they can access on them

1493
00:59:19,650 --> 00:59:22,720
so easily now.
Ohh dear, do you want to finish

1494
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:23,800
a quick story?
Let's finish.

1495
00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:25,330
Very quick story.
What about now?

1496
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:27,750
Yeah, we're gonna go.
This is a really short story,

1497
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,730
but it made me laugh so much.
So I'm gonna tell this story,

1498
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:30,850
then we'll wrap it up and we'll
come.

1499
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:33,670
OK.
So I was talking to one of my

1500
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,730
friends the other day came to
see Rory, we having a chat and

1501
00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:39,150
they had this story for me that
as soon as it happened they said

1502
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,130
to their friend, I've got, I've
got the podcast.

1503
00:59:42,180 --> 00:59:45,950
So really short one.
There was something went on at

1504
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,170
school, OK.
Between a few children.

1505
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:50,850
And as you know, we've got to
contact parents sometimes,

1506
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,450
depending on what it is.
So it's OK.

1507
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:53,890
It's gonna let parent know what
happened.

1508
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:54,990
Cool.
After school, Yeah.

1509
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,290
We'll go and get the number of
the parents.

1510
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:58,250
So this teacher went along, got
the number for the parent.

1511
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:00,240
Ready to have a really serious
conversation about what?

1512
01:00:00,250 --> 01:00:01,710
You know.
This did happen today.

1513
01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:05,130
Blah, blah blah.
So sat down, tucked in the

1514
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,440
number ringing.
Ring, ring, ring, ring.

1515
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:12,580
Person picks up.
Make me a winner, teacher.

1516
01:00:12,590 --> 01:00:13,720
Put the phone down straight
away.

1517
01:00:13,790 --> 01:00:18,000
Didn't say anything before.
It was a radio show about to

1518
01:00:18,010 --> 01:00:19,580
give him money.
That's what is that on there?

1519
01:00:19,690 --> 01:00:21,700
Ohh yeah.
Ohh my.

1520
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:24,580
Gosh, the teacher put the phone
down, went to their mates.

1521
01:00:24,590 --> 01:00:26,180
I can't call them, I can't call
them back.

1522
01:00:26,190 --> 01:00:26,740
So.
Funny.

1523
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:28,530
Do you know what?
I, I I love that happened

1524
01:00:28,540 --> 01:00:30,440
because I thought so many times.
I've listened to the radio

1525
01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:32,120
thing.
I'm like, there's gotta be some

1526
01:00:32,130 --> 01:00:34,140
people who have just
coincidentally been listening

1527
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:36,320
to, had a phone call from
someone and then shouted it and

1528
01:00:36,330 --> 01:00:38,640
embarrassed themselves.
Oh, sorry, no, you haven't got

1529
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:42,630
the.
Job, that is make me, you know,

1530
01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:45,270
I'm not a winner.
I haven't won and I don't.

1531
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,930
Have the job, mate.
I tell you what, if if someone

1532
01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:50,050
did that to me, if someone
answered the phone to me saying

1533
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:53,100
make me a winner, there's no way
I would be able to resist the

1534
01:00:53,110 --> 01:00:55,250
urge to go along with it.
For a minute.

1535
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,430
I pretend I'd be like yes, well
done, You have one.

1536
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:01,670
A child who broke the rules.
This is your teacher speaking

1537
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,600
here, apparently, by the way.
Yeah, if you ask people, you can

1538
01:01:06,610 --> 01:01:08,090
tell them that.
People don't always watch

1539
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,570
Hayden.
Ohh yeah, if you're not watching

1540
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:12,360
then you're missing out.
So I'm making a phone.

1541
01:01:12,370 --> 01:01:13,880
Simple.
If you're not watching, make a

1542
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:16,530
phone symbol to here, right?
Now is it with your small finger

1543
01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:18,020
and your thumb, That means
you're old.

1544
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,960
Yeah, because you're used to
like that kind of flip phone.

1545
01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:22,220
What kids do now, apparently, is
just flat palm.

1546
01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:24,440
Flat part they make like a claw.
Well, you know, like same

1547
01:01:24,450 --> 01:01:25,760
planet, Yeah, just where you
holding.

1548
01:01:26,050 --> 01:01:26,830
Yeah.
Wow.

1549
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,300
There we go, Boomers.
Boomers, We're all one now.

1550
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:33,650
We're all one eventually, so it
works.

1551
01:01:34,050 --> 01:01:35,870
It works, boy.
Ohh dear.

1552
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:38,830
What age were we all vote Tory?
Hmm, I don't know.

1553
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:42,990
Never.
Let's wrap up Ohh political ohh

1554
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,390
in there that you get that right
in.

1555
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,830
There, don't forget, Rishi does
listen.

1556
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:46,730
Does listen.
Yeah.

1557
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:48,330
Does this joke.
I think you're doing an

1558
01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:51,710
absolutely stop now.
Terrible.

1559
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,630
Job.
OK, guys.

1560
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,420
Thank you so much for listening.
Thanks for making it this far.

1561
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:57,790
And we'll see you again next.
Time Check out our bite size

1562
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,860
episode as well if you haven't
already.

1563
01:01:58,870 --> 01:02:00,350
This week is really fun.
Bye.