Ep 37: How Can We Fix Toxic Schools? (Problems And Solutions)

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach Step Repeat.
My name is.

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Dylan and my name is Hayden.
I'm back with Season 37, episode

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nine, Series 2.
We had a good luck too with the

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chat before trying to clarify
what it was.

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We finally looked and we were
all wrong.

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Yeah, normally you just go.
I don't know what episode we're

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on.
Good cares.

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We're all here for the good
times and the good laughs.

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Hey Hayden.
Hey man.

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Last week we did an episode.
It went down very well.

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It always seems to be this is
the horrible spiral.

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We're going down with this
podcast sometimes, but whenever

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we're a little bit negative,
seems to do quite well because I

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I suppose people just feel that
way.

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They like to have a bit of a
moan.

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Everyone loves to moan.
We all love to moan.

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So you can live through arm
moaning, yeah.

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And then carry on not doing
anything about it in your life.

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Brilliant weekend for weeks.
Let's do it Hayden.

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So you and me start of our.
Week Shall you or me do the

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starting?
I'm thinking that you will do

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the starting.
How's your week been, Dylan?

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Good.
I've got a son.

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Ah, who had one minute 10 on
their radar?

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Radar.
Can you tell that?

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The only way would say was that
last night?

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Yeah, we were up every hour and
a half of him.

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Ohh.
And that was really.

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Fun.
Don't worry.

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That will stop soon.
Ohh.

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I don't think it does.
Yeah, I'm gonna go on about it.

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But I just, you know, when you,
like, feel all the parents out

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there probably feel like, OK,
they're not routine because

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they're very young.
It's only 5 weeks old.

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No routine yet, but last few
nights we kind of know what

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we're doing.
Yeah, feeds and then I'll go

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down for three hours or so.
So I'll go down for longer.

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Oh, my baby went down for 8
hours.

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Oh, I don't care.
Shut up and don't tell me,

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please.
That would be about it.

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But you know, he's staying down
for about 3 hours.

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As I said.
We can deal with that.

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We can deal with that.
Yeah.

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Last night you fed at 10 half
1113, half four six half seven.

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And finally, Victoria Station.
Wow.

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Please.
Cool.

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You're really making me excited.
No, But here's the problem.

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Here's what I said right, And it
was backed up by Lauren's mum.

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She was saying they make them
cute for a reason.

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Because if they didn't make them
cute, I'd have chucked him out

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the window.
It'd be it'd be fine bye if he

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wasn't really, really cute and I
didn't love him so much.

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Yeah.
In the baby gone.

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In the bin, Gone.
Bye.

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See you later.
I don't wanna do this.

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Yeah, I did say before last
night, I said.

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Should we just sleep tonight?
Ohh, what's the what's the worst

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That obviously we didn't Our
baby needs food.

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BA Very sweet.
You're very involved, aren't

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you?
Not like these old fashioned,

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old fashioned dads.
I had a friend messaged me

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saying.
Last thing on Rory, I had a

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friend messaged me saying ohh by
the way we were chatting, he was

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seeing some from the podcast Ohh
by the way, you really sound

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like David Brent last.
Week, David Brand.

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Go on in the bit where he was
like, yeah, I'll help out.

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Not for praise.
Don't praise me.

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Actually, I do stuff at home.
I'm a dad who changes nappies.

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Yeah.
You've watched way too much on

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this.
I don't know.

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I don't know if I'd be
complimented or I don't know if

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I'd feel complimented cause I
love David Brent.

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Don't think it was a compliment.
Yeah, I said.

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I'm gonna have to splice them
together.

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Yeah, Dad, work from home does
the.

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Nappies being a dad, Is that the
reason that you forgot since

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last week's recording?
To read the bear story, Bring

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the best story, the story we
mentioned last week.

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Very quick.
One, any listeners that I have

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been given a Goldilocks and
three that story, but it's been

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swapped in with the Guardian and
the gorilla.

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Long story short, it's involved
with my classroom.

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Last year they remembered she
wanted to write me a story for

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our baby.
I've got it.

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It's coming.
OK, so the last thing I'm gonna

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say for my week.
Let's move from school to home.

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No, he's at home.
But then I'm not in my home now.

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So instead of home, I think it's
one week for each transfer.

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So school to home was a week,
another week for it to get here.

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As next week it will be ready
already.

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I'm trying to clarify it like
there's a guy in a gorilla

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story, no one knows what to talk
about, but the last thing,

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something like semi serious I
suppose about my week, just a

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quick win.
We did worry monsters.

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We got worry monsters in school
where they're basically just

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like decorated shoeboxes with a
hole in.

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If you've got a worry it just
allows the children to write it

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down, put it in the box without
feeling like they're making a

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thing out of it.
Just something I'd recommend to

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everyone, even if they exist in
our school.

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But just making the point of
saying them right.

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This morning I had to slide up
on my screen.

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It's like I brought the worry
monster into the class.

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It's right here.
You've all got a sheet of paper

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in front of you.
You can read your book.

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You can write, you can do it.
It's a free choice and not gonna

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force you to have worry.
You're not worried, be worried.

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It's worrying most the time.
What you worried down?

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One down, kid.
But then, turns out it was just

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you.
Sleep.

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I'm so worried, but yeah, just a
quick win because obviously

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there are some funny ones in
there, something not worried at

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all.
It's one of them just said I was

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worried because when I came into
school this morning my mum said

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it was going to be someone else
picking me up and I was like,

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ohh, OK like that's sweet.
But I very quickly said to them,

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you know, that you'll still go
home.

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And they were like yeah, I know,
I just want to see my mum was

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like, so that's like low level
worry, Yeah.

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But there were also other things
that I wouldn't have known.

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Why isn't, you know, things
going on the playground, things

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going on between children and it
just give me that insight that I

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could have just floated through
and then come April, that could

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have been a really big problem.
Because it's not been.

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You would have known.
But it's true.

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If you don't give kids the a
really, really easy way to say

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these things and they just won't
do it.

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Some of them will.
You get those.

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You always get the boys for
children who are every day

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they're there.
I wanna tell you a problem.

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And then I guess it's easy to
then think, Oh, well, you know,

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they're just like that, just
kind of a bit over the top and

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everyone else is fine.
Well, there was one goal just

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very quickly, For example, who
that morning had come in.

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I always speak to them when they
come in like, hey, how you

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doing?
You okay?

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And she was like, yeah, OK,
good.

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And she sat down.
She's presenting.

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Absolutely fine.
Then her worry was something

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that was worrying her right
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It was like something from that
morning And I'm like, why?

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I just wouldn't have known that
cause she was very smiling

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cracking up front.
Would have had a single clue.

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Kids do yeah put on front quite
quickly I find.

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So just I just fought a nice
quick win.

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Anyone at school just try out.
Just want to start.

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We all do this.
But just explicitly put 5

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minutes aside one morning just
to say.

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Guys let me know there's
something to let me know.

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All anonymous is really cool.
That's good.

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Yeah, my job.
I had a really good Ohh.

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I'd have had a really good week,
you know.

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Don't convince me mate.
Why?

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But you know it's.
Not a really good week, I

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believe.
You Mickey Mouse hot.

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Well thanks.
Well, thanks for making me

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within 3 seconds, that's why.
You know, why not choose?

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I don't wanna hear it because
I've already read it, you know?

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Come on.
Yeah, but how was your week,

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mate?
Did you manage to get any visits

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from ex pupils?
Do you have a really nice week?

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Nice kids at school realised
you're sick at the recorder.

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Did you measure around your
stomach?

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Go now, go now.
Ohh quick.

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Listen.
Quick Fire had a really nice

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week, really positive week.
I just had one of those weeks

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where I finished finished my
whole 3 days.

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Very loose definition of a week.
Ohh, I feel bad.

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Anyway, whatever, you don't.
Whatever, whatever.

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Finish my 3 days and you know,
just the kids were just so nice.

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Everyone's respectful.
Like it was just I just had a

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really good week.
I didn't have any problems.

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Yeah, it was really nice.
So that was good.

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Also been playing recorders and
I was quite proud of myself

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because I've never touched a
recorder before.

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The day I had to start teaching
recorders, it was like, only

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this, yeah.
Yeah, first time I've ever done

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it.
I've always done other subjects.

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You've been a primary school
teacher for nearly 10.

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Years.
I've never taught recorders.

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Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I know.

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So I was like, I'm gonna be
rubbish at this.

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And I just sort of stayed one
step ahead of them.

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And we got to our little final
piece yesterday that we're gonna

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be playing in a church.
I looked at the sheet music and

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it's gonna be painful.
I've got to try and teach it and

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I could play it straight away,
read it, OK, there's two parts

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of me right here.
Don't take this away from me.

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One part of me wants this really
big you up and be really nice.

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That was someone I knew less.
That's all I do.

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Yeah, that's lovely to hear.
Yeah.

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But I will just say there's a
reason we teach 7 year olds in

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the quarter.
Because you're moving on

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extremely easy.
I didn't hear that.

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Don't worry about it, mate.
You should be proud of me.

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And the other thing I want to
mention the bit bore personal

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and embarrassing.
So you know, we had a vet,

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didn't we?
We're a little bit because

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obviously both of our
girlfriends were pregnant at the

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same time.
People take like a month.

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They were, you know, very, very
similar timings.

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And we had a little bit of fun
just saying, oh, I wonder at

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what point they will overtake us
in the size of their stomach.

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Because we're just joking about
ourselves because we're big

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Bolshy made a lot of rubbish.
And it was like, Oh yeah, you

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know, we've had a sweepstake on
Abate, 4 months, four months.

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After a while it was they
obviously looked very pregnant

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and it was like of course bigger
than us.

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Well, no, turns out Ohh.
My mum's the other day and my

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sister thought it would be
really, really fun to get the

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tape measure out.
Really.

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And yeah, just because she knew
what fun event doesn't start the

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tech again.
Be It was great, but she knew

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that she would be able to
humiliate me.

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And she measured around Lawrence
Bump, right?

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And but just for context, she's
38 weeks pregnant.

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She's ready, ready to pop and
measured around me.

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And I was like 2 inches bigger.
My circumference is larger.

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Leave it.
I was mortified.

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If you were both planetary
bodies, she'd be your moon.

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Still, she's a little smaller,
yeah.

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And I've just eaten a Kit Kat
and I had another one and I put

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it back.
That's the perfect situation.

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Like summarise, Yeah, after
that, the fact you had a

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secondary cut lined up.
Get ready to go.

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Ohh.
So yeah, a bit gutted about

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that.
OK, that's my way.

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Yeah, I gotta go on a diet now
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I hope you enjoyed that.
We did say we're gonna try and

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streamline our week a bit
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habit of going on and on.
We started with that delirium,

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that delirious week, because I
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episode wasn't intro.
I don't think we had any

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structure whatsoever.
Ohh dear.

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So yeah, that was all week.
Brilliant.

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Should we get into the chunky,
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All right.
See you next time guys.

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Right.
So there's there is a danger

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hater that for two weeks in a
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spiral.
So we made an agreement weeks.

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Ohh.
We made an agreement that if

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we're going to talk about some
negative things again we have to

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either come up with some
solutions which we'll do later.

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Yes.
But also we're gonna have a nice

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little 2 minute nice little
happy thing right now.

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Happy segment.
We welcome to the happy set.

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Here we go of the angry podcast.
Hey, ready.

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So the first.
One day I'm gonna make it.

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Collection of a compilation of
all your little compilation

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little jingles that you make up.
Please do I I love it.

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This is what I do all the time.
I don't think the viewers know

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this.
This is what happens every two

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minutes.
In my house, it's great because

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we're becoming more and more
comfortable with recording this

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podcast.
We're becoming more comfortable

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talking on the.
You can't talk.

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I can't talk most of the time
anyway.

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Becoming more comfortable.
Another pressure.

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Go on, try again.
We're becoming more comfortable

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on this podcast, and you're
beginning to see more.

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Behind the Mask is slipping
Dylan.

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Ohh, soon I'll be whacking my
head and running into the wall.

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That's a story for another.
Day.

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That's for a future episodes.
Anyway, quick thing, right?

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Just wanted to do a nice little
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All right.
And I'm gonna ask you a

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question.
Yep.

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You know the question is because
you can pretend ohh question.

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You isn't listening.
Just build really good.

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Oh, no, I haven't asked you.
I'm sorry I haven't asked you.

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Got away.
OK.

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If you're gonna pretend.
Yeah.

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Yeah, We'll do it again.
Do it again.

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Here we go.
So what's 1?

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What's one thing that you do
with your class?

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Yeah, to build rapport with
Don't don't wanna.

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Fantastic.
Well that's I'll have the same

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answer.
So that's a good question.

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I don't just do one thing is the
answer.

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So I'm gonna try.
I don't find it hard to pinpoint

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but it's really it feels like a
cop out answer.

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I always say it but I think it's
such a powerful way to go about

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seeing your class and some
teachers just don't they just

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don't know.
They don't because I work with

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them and they're not bad
teachers but they just don't do

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this.
And I I just treat and see every

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single child as an.
Imaginary friend again, this is

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Brent is back.
Not everyone does this, but I

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do.
But no, you see and treat every

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single child as their own
individual personality.

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I think every teacher treats
them, does treat them as an

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individual in terms of their
ability and maths and English.

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And they can, you know, put
stuff in place with them and

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they're there to make them
better at maths, better English.

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But I just absolutely love every
single year spending the time up

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until Christmas, not only
teaching them lots of stuff,

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obviously, because that's the
biggest part of the job, but

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just building a relationship
with them where I know them

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individually.
And I'd like to think that by

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Christmas, if you said any child
in my class, I'd be able to tell

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you three or four individual
facts about them that I've got

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from them, from just talking to
them, just getting to know them.

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I think that's such a powerful
thing because I think loads

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comes from that.
So there's those little bits

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like do the register silly or
all that kind of stuff.

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But for me, that's the biggest
thing is they're their own

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individual personality and just
talk, talk to them without the

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end goal of they're going to
learn some mass by the end of

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this conversation or they're
gonna know some more history.

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I just talked to them as I would
talk to you.

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Well, do you have cause quite as
quite a wide point?

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Yeah, it's a very good point.
But I was thinking more to be

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fair, like like a specific
answer your question.

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Right.
It was a little point I was

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thinking of because I do it all
the time and it's just funny and

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just, I don't know, just saying
their name, slightly silly.

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And then they love it.
And there was one child who came

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up to me the other day and just
said to me in the register, I'm

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called you.
Yeah, the same Mr. Price.

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Then I answer.
OK, brilliant.

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And they love it.
Yeah.

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They have a day.
This kind of backfired slightly.

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I was just saying the register
and I was just six children in

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very close to the top and I said
a name.

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But apparently all the.
I thought I didn't, but

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obviously I did.
I said it at the start of

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accident trying to stumble over
my words and so I'd replaced the

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1st letter with the team
accident and they're like what?

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What?
What did you say?

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Was that I was like, no, no, I
didn't thank.

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You.
So I proceeded to say every name

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wrong after.
That, yeah, just changed.

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They go home.
What did you learn that?

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I don't know.
But but Mr. Price did this thing

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and it was unbelievable.
OK, OK, but we really need you

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to learn your times tables.
Did you do that?

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No, but I changed the letter to
start well name.

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Was brilliant and we did it all
day.

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Was actually.
Can't spell your name now.

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No, you've regressed.
Yeah.

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Was it funny?
Yeah.

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OK, Right.
Yeah.

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I think little things like that.
Yeah.

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Do the register funny.
And I I guess one thing I do in

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lessons is I will very happily
break for two minutes.

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And what I mean is it's not like
break, stop and just rest.

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It's like, OK, I've realised
that they're really bored.

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They're really bored right now.
So I'm going to Gee them up a

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bit.
I'll get them unsused and be

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silly or you know and and one
thing I do all of the time, my

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friends get annoyed I said it
before on the podcast is I

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constantly praise them like I,
I, I kill them with praise like

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they could be doing anything
That's right and I'll be and

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some people say don't do that
because then they do something

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no I don't care.
I'm gonna.

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I'm gonna kill them with praise
and then when they do something

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wrong call them up on it.
Yeah, but then I'm going to have

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90% of my time is praise,
praise, praise, praise.

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Particularly those children,
because I've always remember

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training years ago about the
hidden child and it's like it

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was a way to get you to think
about the the quietest child in

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your class, because quite often
they're gonna get the least

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interaction could simply because
they're just not making as much

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noise.
That's it.

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And I've always been aware of
that.

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And I quite often do exactly
what you're doing.

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And I'll actively think to
myself, Right.

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Who is it?
Because it's going to be five

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children, at least in this
class, who constantly do the

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right thing.
They never do the wrong thing,

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but they don't get much praise
for it.

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Yes.
And I'm like, whoa, you know,

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little Timmy over there, let's,
you know, can we be like him,

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please?
And he's probably thinking, oh,

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sweet, like, I've just got
praise.

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I do this all the time, but, and
some people will go well, he's

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just doing the bare minimum.
We should be praising that.

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Well, finally enough, more than
half the class aren't.

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So I'm going to praise him
actually, because that's not

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obviously the known compared to
other.

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People.
I guess positivity then is

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actually a really, really big
thing for building report.

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Like I always try to.
I think of ways where they can

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earn something as a class, like
so it develops a bit of

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community spirit and it's like,
right, if we do this and you're

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going to earn yourself, every
time I put this thing on the

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board, you get another minute
going to extra play.

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We get this work done to this
standard.

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We go outside, we have some fun
because you've done the hard

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work and they're so driven by
that sort of stuff.

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And then they like you for it
and you just build up a nice

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relationship with them because
like this teacher rewards me,

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Don't.
We don't just do more.

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Hard work as a reward for
getting the work done hard.

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I completely agree.
I I think it's it's an issue

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sometimes where there's a bit of
a bell curve like inverted where

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in the middle, if you're a
middle one, you might not get as

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much out of them but if you
shower them with praise and they

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they really, really adore you
they can get loads out of you.

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But also I saw a point the other
day and I think it's probably

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right, is sometimes the most
like staff member in school is

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actually getting the best out of
their kids because there's

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another way to make children
like you and it's just to let

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them do whatever they want
whenever they want.

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Yeah.
And then you're the walk over

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the cool teacher.
Hey, with that, we don't have to

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get our work done with this
person.

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This is awesome.
Isn't he the best?

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But then there's the other way,
which is Ohh.

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Yeah, he's really cool and
funny.

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Like, we work hard.
Yeah, but.

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Really strict rules and in
place.

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But he he is nice as well
because I think yeah I really

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want to fight against the
blanket thing of and the

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statement was basically the most
liked teacher in your school is

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probably the worst teacher.
And I was really triggered

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because I get the sentiment and
I understand there will be

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teachers like that.
But I think that sentiment feeds

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them into you've got to be a
monster.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you just.

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Don't know it's a fine line
though, isn't it?

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Between being that and.
Being a fun, respectful teacher

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that kids like who does actually
still get really good.

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Like, yeah, progress and results
from their kids.

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It's hard talking of being a
monster.

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So you've seen the title and you
clicked on it, Someone shared it

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maybe.
Or you're just an avid fan.

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Thank you for coming back.
And it is a bit negative.

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OK, so the question is loaded.
How do we fix terrible school?

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Click bait.
Click, maybe?

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And then we get with the Rory
poo story how do we fix terrible

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schools And and I think the my
favourite part of the title is

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problems and solutions because I
always feel like a bit of a a

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negative Nelly when I come to
something with just moaning,

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moaning, moaning.
But I've not come with any

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solutions.
Yeah fix it.

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So we're going to dive in.
When we say bad scores, we mean

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not underperforming schools like
how do we make progress better.

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We're gonna kind of harp on from
last week, which was quite

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positive with people, positive
feedback and that is schools

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that are just become hellish,
schools that become and negative

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place for staff and negative
place for pupils.

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How can we fix these places?
What is wrong with them in the

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1st place?
What are the problems in these

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kind of institutions and how can
we maybe try and move forward

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and what are the solutions that
are practical and that will make

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somewhere a much better place?
To be There are plenty of good

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schools, and by good again, I'm
not, we're not talking offered

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today.
We're not talking about gradings

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of schools.
We're talking about places which

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people like going to work in,
right?

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There are plenty of schools
where staff retention is great.

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People love working.
And they get good results out of

456
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,660
their kids.
And there are plenty of schools

457
00:19:16,670 --> 00:19:19,860
that are Ofsted graded good or
outstanding that are horrendous

458
00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:21,660
to work in.
We've got a really good example

459
00:19:21,670 --> 00:19:25,220
in a minute to share with you.
They still, they might get their

460
00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:27,540
progress, but they're horrible,
horrible places to work in.

461
00:19:27,550 --> 00:19:29,260
So what is the difference
between them?

462
00:19:29,330 --> 00:19:31,920
How can we make them better?
And I think one of the biggest

463
00:19:31,930 --> 00:19:34,920
rises we've seen over the last,
I guess, decade, I suppose since

464
00:19:34,930 --> 00:19:39,200
we've been in school is the rise
of the kind of really harsh

465
00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:41,900
hardline Victorian style inner
City Schools.

466
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:45,470
You think of Michaela that score
with them, the head teacher

467
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,850
who's apparently or the
strictest head teacher in the

468
00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:52,050
land and they get amazing
progress data, unbelievable data

469
00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:54,550
for children in in inner city
London, I think.

470
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,660
So this is just in London and
the name of the staff that

471
00:19:58,670 --> 00:20:01,000
worked there slipped my mind.
But if the school's called

472
00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:04,440
Michaela right, gets really good
data progress points, They were

473
00:20:04,450 --> 00:20:06,170
released recently, like,
honestly, like probably.

474
00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:09,410
I think she was one in the
country, like top ten at least.

475
00:20:09,420 --> 00:20:11,710
OK yeah.
So unbelievable results for the

476
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,610
children, which you can't turn
your nose up, like.

477
00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:15,840
No, that's fantastic.
Because that is at the end of

478
00:20:15,850 --> 00:20:18,040
the day, one of the biggest
reasons we're in school is to

479
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,310
get that.
But the very, very, very

480
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,650
negative press for how they go
about it, OK?

481
00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:25,550
And we see high levels of
exclusion that we'll talk about.

482
00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:30,270
High levels of staff turnover,
high expectations from staff,

483
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,760
horrible workload.
Horrible kind of place to be.

484
00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:35,570
If you're a staff member.
It's not a nice place to be

485
00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:39,300
unless you're in that mindset of
this work is my life and they

486
00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:41,930
get results and this.
I guess this whole point here is

487
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,830
we're going to try and balance
that.

488
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,650
And I think whilst progress is
really important, I suppose the

489
00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:50,250
foundation we're going to lay
here is we're going to come at

490
00:20:50,260 --> 00:20:52,720
this from the perspective of the
well-being of the teachers and

491
00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:54,220
the staff.
Yeah, sorry, the teachers and

492
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:55,470
the and the children.
Yeah, Yeah.

493
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,520
So of course there's different
ways to make progress.

494
00:20:58,230 --> 00:21:00,600
Fine.
But we're going to say right now

495
00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:03,220
a bad school is a school where
you hate going into work.

496
00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:06,000
Yeah, like you just said.
So we can't start this

497
00:21:06,010 --> 00:21:08,800
conversation without referencing
something that came up this

498
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:10,100
week.
So Hayden take over for?

499
00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:13,130
Well, Dylan messaged me the
other day and sent me a link,

500
00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:16,120
which has obviously gone viral
because I've seen it in loads of

501
00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:19,370
places now of it.
It was a letter.

502
00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:21,600
Was it from the union?
The actual letter it was from

503
00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:24,580
the local executive order has
NSFW.

504
00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:26,080
Yeah, yeah.
So they wrote it and it was a

505
00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:27,740
letter to the parents, right,
about what they're doing.

506
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:30,030
So.
It's based around a a trust

507
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,050
called Australia Austria and no
Australia Austria, Austria,

508
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:39,250
Austria, Austria.
It's called Australia Australia.

509
00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:42,760
A terrible joke.
No one's laughing at this point,

510
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:44,870
everyone thinking about what was
in the letter.

511
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,250
Yeah, yeah, you might have seen
it.

512
00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:48,300
So if you're in the teaching
world, you probably already seen

513
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:49,950
it.
So Super Australia, whatever you

514
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,660
want to call it.
Australia, they're a trust,

515
00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:52,380
right?
Yeah.

516
00:21:52,430 --> 00:21:55,960
And they have a big trusts in
the Midlands schools and they're

517
00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:59,360
known for being extremely
strict, extremely militant.

518
00:21:59,490 --> 00:22:03,270
And there's a particular school,
St Ivo, which is what this

519
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,440
letter is based around, who
they've had a horrendous time.

520
00:22:07,450 --> 00:22:08,610
Don't know.
They've been in the trust for

521
00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:09,750
long.
I got the impression from the

522
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,750
letter that it's been.
For the last couple of years,

523
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,430
perhaps they weren't in the
trust before, but I don't know

524
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,870
if that's true.
Yeah.

525
00:22:15,340 --> 00:22:18,000
Anyway, let's should we
summarise some of the points

526
00:22:18,010 --> 00:22:20,150
that have come out of this.
So, so like the the point was

527
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,800
the letters from the union,
because the teachers are

528
00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:23,810
striking, right?
It's got to the point where the

529
00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:26,670
teachers are striking in an
individual school because of

530
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,810
their work and condition.
Striking against the trust.

531
00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:31,850
So the trust are in charge
saying Ivo have their own

532
00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:34,490
leadership whose hands seem to
be quite tied here.

533
00:22:34,660 --> 00:22:37,090
They can't have the authority to
make any decisions.

534
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,980
But at the same time, the
leaders of the trust are saying,

535
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:40,970
well, it's a local issue, we
can't do anything, so nothing's

536
00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:43,490
getting done.
So what has been happening in

537
00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,670
this school?
Yeah, that means that we've

538
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,490
ended up having an individual
school.

539
00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:50,270
It's taking strike, actually.
It's ridiculously draconian.

540
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,390
So there's a few points and
we'll go back and forth, so I'm

541
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,030
gonna mention one.
So from this letter, apparently

542
00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:59,550
the staff there, they've
introduced a dress code that is

543
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,000
so strict that basically no one
can deviate from like one

544
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:05,610
particular outfit.
And people are saying it's

545
00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:10,290
really not very modern and it
goes against a lot, a lot of

546
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:13,100
modern rights for people and how
they want to dress and represent

547
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:14,400
them.
Especially women, apparently.

548
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:15,740
Yeah, it did say especially
women.

549
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:18,880
So I Christ knows what.
High heels and skirts, please,

550
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:20,360
probably.
It's probably is something like

551
00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:21,840
that.
Your high heels and skirts and

552
00:23:21,850 --> 00:23:24,220
and a we don't know.
Just put that out there.

553
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:25,390
No, but it's gonna be something
like that.

554
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,900
So that was one point.
And it's expensive.

555
00:23:27,810 --> 00:23:30,720
Yeah, they said the uniform is
expensive and the only thing

556
00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:33,080
they've given back on that is,
OK, we'll phase it in.

557
00:23:33,090 --> 00:23:35,070
So it's not, not.
Got a straight away I'm not

558
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,450
gonna do it.
The thing that got me this is

559
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:38,550
the most ridiculous thing I've
ever seen and it's you know

560
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,090
those those jokes you make
before.

561
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:41,460
Yeah.
And we talked about not having a

562
00:23:41,470 --> 00:23:43,000
chair and we were like, that's
meant that was real.

563
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:44,860
But that's that's that's as bad
as it gets.

564
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:47,660
Kind of start from you got chair
in classroom.

565
00:23:47,670 --> 00:23:48,660
Sit down.
No.

566
00:23:48,670 --> 00:23:51,280
I guess What You can't have
lined paper on your desk.

567
00:23:51,610 --> 00:23:54,470
What What kind of lined paper?
Not allowed.

568
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,080
You know what It's a distraction
from the learning.

569
00:23:57,090 --> 00:23:58,450
You can't have lined paper.
Yes.

570
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,260
And did you just move the bin
from the assigned place for the

571
00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:04,270
bin to be in the classroom?
That the letter said that if the

572
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,890
bin wasn't in the assigned place
then it would be disciplinary

573
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,450
action for the staff member in
disciplinary action.

574
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:11,650
Do you know what I want to put
in the bin?

575
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:16,190
Ostrich, Australia, Australia.
Australia, Australia, Australia

576
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,370
can go in the bin, OK.
Unbelievable.

577
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,200
MAD and also posters.
Apparently they're not allowed

578
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:26,130
posters on the walls unless it's
like the Trusts own posters.

579
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,460
Propaganda isn't.
This is like Mussolini in Italy.

580
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:33,600
She she Austria, Austria,
Austria.

581
00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:36,080
That's unbelievable, man.
Apparently is a lot more.

582
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:38,520
But yeah, yeah, so it's it's
horribly militant.

583
00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:41,480
And treat the school, treat the
staff awful.

584
00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:43,380
Treat the children.
Awfully high levels of

585
00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:45,420
exclusion.
Yeah, we see this a lot in Multi

586
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:47,500
Academy Trust where they come in
and like, cool, we gotta make

587
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:49,780
data better.
How can we make data better?

588
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:51,840
Hmm.
Let me think, What are we going

589
00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:53,500
to do with the children?
Have low data.

590
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:55,080
Bye bye.
See you later.

591
00:24:55,090 --> 00:24:58,940
What's really interesting was
they did so typical.

592
00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:01,270
Kind of trust where they only
care about the progress data,

593
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,810
right?
That is the only thing that's

594
00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:04,310
important.
Well, they did a survey in the

595
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,500
school.
I was reading through the

596
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:08,930
website, like the parent website
they've got from the school and

597
00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:11,010
they did a survey in the school.
And I was just looking at some

598
00:25:11,020 --> 00:25:13,890
of the data from the survey and
they were asking children and

599
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:16,170
parents and families things
like, is your child happy at

600
00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:18,870
school and do they suffer with
any like mental anxiety and

601
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,130
depression?
What sorts of things?

602
00:25:20,140 --> 00:25:23,780
And it was so high.
Like horribly, horribly high

603
00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:26,050
where these kids are not
enjoying being at this, this

604
00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:29,490
work, that this school.
And that's to me is the crux of

605
00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:32,490
the issue.
OK, as teachers, we're adults.

606
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,070
We can vouch for ourselves.
You know, we can argue against

607
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,370
something.
We can take them to the union

608
00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:40,130
and strike.
The children don't have a voice

609
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:42,010
here.
They're born in that area.

610
00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:44,000
That's their local school.
There's no other places.

611
00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:46,170
They've got to go there and it's
horrendous.

612
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,140
And and that's where it kind of
kicks in for me and stop being

613
00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:50,810
funny and starts being serious.
Yeah.

614
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:54,270
And I know you spoke to a mum
from the area because you spoke

615
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,940
online to one of the parents
from someone whose child goes to

616
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:59,310
that school and she was
devastated.

617
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,820
Yeah, yeah.
She said it was.

618
00:26:00,830 --> 00:26:03,030
I mean, she didn't say much
other than agreeing with

619
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,350
everything in this letter and
saying it is just, she said it

620
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,580
was a nightmare.
Was her word a nightmare that

621
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:09,160
her child goes there?
Because I've got lots of

622
00:26:09,170 --> 00:26:10,120
schools?
Yeah, I think.

623
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:11,840
I think it was that school.
It was one of the other schools,

624
00:26:11,850 --> 00:26:14,260
Yeah, but, but, but, but they
OK.

625
00:26:14,270 --> 00:26:16,900
What other schools have we got?
Another Austria school, Yeah.

626
00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:19,600
Well, under Austria, yeah.
Never got 41.

627
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:21,380
Austria, like all the schools in
one area.

628
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:22,720
Sorry mate.
Do you wanna go travel now?

629
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:24,390
An hour and a half?
This is dreadful cause.

630
00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:26,480
I mean, we've talked about this
a lot and we've kind of

631
00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:28,780
mentioned it already ironically
at the start of this episode

632
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:31,380
about trying to make your kids
happy and and that's how you

633
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:33,550
build good rapport with them.
And these, these these staff,

634
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,100
they're not allowed to do that.
They're just not allowed.

635
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:39,560
Which would if if you were told
no, next time you do the

636
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:41,780
register like that again and
that's disciplinary action.

637
00:26:41,790 --> 00:26:44,420
Take their names silently and if
they answer you back, they're

638
00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:47,370
out of the park.
When they said take the name

639
00:26:47,380 --> 00:26:49,400
silently and mouth it to them.
Yeah.

640
00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:52,490
Yeah.
Then that's it.

641
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:53,410
You're out.
You're fired now.

642
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:54,940
OK, bye.
But you're being horrible, isn't

643
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:56,400
it?
Taking away your autonomy, Yeah,

644
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:58,380
yeah.
And I think this links really

645
00:26:58,390 --> 00:27:01,340
nicely into the kind of the list
we've put together.

646
00:27:01,490 --> 00:27:04,340
So this whole thing kind of
sparked this idea of Hayden and

647
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:05,680
I.
We've worked in different

648
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:07,260
schools.
We've seen first-hand how

649
00:27:07,270 --> 00:27:09,160
schools can be very different
from one another.

650
00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:14,080
And I think we've got a nice
list here about what you would

651
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,470
see in a school where you do not
want to work.

652
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,450
Yeah, What are you gonna see?
And we've taken some ideas from

653
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:22,260
other people because I know last
week, unbelievably, we finished

654
00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:23,480
the top five reasons people are
quitting.

655
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:25,270
And I was like, we didn't talk
about behaviour.

656
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,780
That's a huge thing right now.
So we put ourselves out there a

657
00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:30,780
bit, asking people for some
advice and we've got a list

658
00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:33,850
we're gonna work through.
So for anyone who's working in a

659
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,880
school, that's awful.
Do you see yourself here, anyone

660
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:39,030
who's working in a school that
they think is bad?

661
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,910
Well maybe you'll read this and
you think, well actually it's

662
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,140
not too bad and if your parents,
this is something to look out

663
00:27:45,150 --> 00:27:46,590
for and it's something I'm
really passionate about.

664
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,790
Hayden is any parents listening?
Do not just go off the one word

665
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,030
Ofsted report.
You want to be looking for these

666
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,410
kind of things because if your
staff are not happy in a school

667
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,030
it will feed down to the
children and that's important.

668
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,510
And even progress data, like
we're saying right now even

669
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,100
progress data isn't the be all
end all because if your child is

670
00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:07,160
not happy at school, there's
like are we just going to

671
00:28:07,170 --> 00:28:09,870
pretend that's not important?
I'll let you decide.

672
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,740
So yeah, I asked a few people
online kind of what their

673
00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:13,870
experiences were.
And.

674
00:28:13,980 --> 00:28:16,380
What they thought it was a
mixture of teachers and parents.

675
00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:17,650
Wasn't it?
Yeah, it wasn't there.

676
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:18,800
Yeah, it was.
Yeah.

677
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,440
And here are some things.
If you want to jump in at any

678
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:22,390
point, feel free.
I'm gonna read off this list.

679
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:25,220
So the first one was that the
terrible score is when there's

680
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:28,590
an embedded expectation that you
will sacrifice your time for the

681
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,320
job.
I think, I think what would be

682
00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:32,450
good if we go through this, I'm
going to try and play the

683
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:35,330
opposite, OK, So I'm going to
come through and be like I agree

684
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:39,460
with this, but I suppose
embedded expectation is that not

685
00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:41,590
the same everywhere.
Is that not just part of being a

686
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,100
teacher?
Or part of working in a way.

687
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:45,560
It's kind of an expectation in
there.

688
00:28:45,570 --> 00:28:49,060
I guess it was the IT was the
idea that you will sacrifice any

689
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:51,760
time for the job.
And I suppose systems in other

690
00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:55,260
jobs outside of teaching are in
place that if you do have to

691
00:28:55,270 --> 00:28:57,820
sacrifice your time, here you
go, here's more money over time

692
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:59,260
because we will pay you for that
overtime.

693
00:28:59,270 --> 00:29:00,530
Yeah.
But I agree.

694
00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:02,560
This person, yeah, they were
just making a really good point.

695
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:05,690
I think about just there was
just it's not even a question

696
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:06,810
embedded.
It's not even asked.

697
00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:09,000
Would you mind?
I know this is more work and

698
00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:11,330
your timetable is already full,
but there's this thing that's

699
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:12,410
happened.
Would you mind dealing with

700
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:13,990
this.
It's just well, of course you

701
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,260
will.
You're a teacher, for example.

702
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:17,260
There is someone joining your
class, someone joining your

703
00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:18,650
school.
You're in charge of their, you

704
00:29:18,660 --> 00:29:20,450
know, programme that you're.
You're their teacher.

705
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,350
Yeah.
And you know, they've got some

706
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,790
additional needs that either
aren't funded or are just not

707
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,690
not not well known yet.
And then it's kind of just like,

708
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:32,650
here you go, OK, that that only
adds to what I've got to do.

709
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:35,610
Now if I've got to do anything
bespoke for this person, which

710
00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:37,090
I'm a teacher, of course I want
to do.

711
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,980
That's why I'm teaching, to want
to help every single child.

712
00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:43,210
But that does mean that that
overrides my actual time.

713
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,910
We talked last week.
We mentioned we about how.

714
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,660
The makeup of your class, which
is potluck, complete potluck, it

715
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:53,360
is a factor in in terms of like
why some teachers are quitting.

716
00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:56,390
Because if you're just unlucky.
And in terms of you have a class

717
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,200
that just requires 10 more hours
a week of your time because

718
00:29:59,210 --> 00:30:02,020
you've got to plan individual
things for children, which is

719
00:30:02,030 --> 00:30:03,560
part of your job and you have to
do it.

720
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:06,040
And we agree that it should be
done because it's about outcomes

721
00:30:06,050 --> 00:30:09,240
for these children, but it's 10
more hours of your of your week

722
00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:10,860
and you're not getting paid
anymore for it.

723
00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:12,440
So it's that kind of point.
I think it's just an

724
00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:14,920
expectation.
Now you're just sacrifice that

725
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:16,500
time.
Well that's time of your newborn

726
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:17,500
baby.
Exactly.

727
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:20,360
And that now that's the thing
now where I, you know, honestly

728
00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:24,070
beforehand I was kind of moving
towards saying no, umm, at this

729
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,450
point I I will not do it like
I'm I just won't.

730
00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:30,260
And if it is an issue, I'd like,
I won't go with it ballsy and

731
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:33,440
say, well I'm not no, it's wrong
because I know things have to

732
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:34,130
get done.
Yeah.

733
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:37,370
I will go to it with the idea of
OK, how can we solve this then?

734
00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:40,210
Yeah, because it will not be
solved by me doing 5 hours of.

735
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:42,410
Extra on Sunday.
Yeah, that's not solution.

736
00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:46,150
So let's think of a solution
where it's built in, and I'm not

737
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,860
doing that actually, because I'm
not gonna do it.

738
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,820
I think the next one I'm gonna
come in cause the next two kind

739
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:52,350
of go together, I think.
Yeah.

740
00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:55,490
And it's something I really feel
passionately about and because

741
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:59,100
I've seen it first hand and I
know how I react to management

742
00:30:59,110 --> 00:31:03,030
who do this and it's it, it
forms how we manage our tutoring

743
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,690
business.
I think.

744
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,350
I hope.
I really hope it does, and how

745
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,610
we interact with people as mass
leads and things like that is

746
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,310
the idea that working in a
school where it feels like the

747
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,510
only thing that ever comes down
from the top is negativity.

748
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:20,450
Things that have to improve,
things that have to improve,

749
00:31:20,490 --> 00:31:22,580
only ever things have to
improve, have to improve.

750
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,920
And this idea that, you know,
the baseline is this is not good

751
00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:29,060
enough.
Yeah, that's the idea ahead.

752
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:31,360
And some would say that's a
healthy thing in some

753
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:32,790
businesses.
Yeah, you can always improve.

754
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,430
Yeah.
Yeah.

755
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,300
But as a staff team, that is.
Exhausting.

756
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:38,500
It's been really taken out of
proportion because I would agree

757
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:41,180
it is a healthy thing to have a
mindset of I can always be

758
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,360
better.
I do think that's healthy, but I

759
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:45,410
don't think it's healthy when
that's the only mindset.

760
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:48,850
Your mindset is also I I can, I
can be better.

761
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,660
Because I'm so terrible all the
time.

762
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:52,580
That's what's really happened,
isn't it?

763
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:55,680
You're not terrible all the
time, and it's it manifests

764
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:57,780
itself in things like support
plans.

765
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:59,490
Yeah.
Observation, right?

766
00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:02,860
If you are, I'm sorry.
I again, maybe I'm wrong and I'd

767
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:03,880
love to hear someone come back
at me.

768
00:32:03,890 --> 00:32:07,120
Maybe you can come back to me at
this if you give feedback to

769
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:10,570
someone about their lesson and
they cry.

770
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,610
Yeah.
Over 90% of the time that's your

771
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:18,140
fault for your feedback.
Like I I I really do think that

772
00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:20,790
that is you've got to look at
yourself when that happens.

773
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,140
There are some situations,
obviously, where someone's maybe

774
00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:24,390
going through something else and
it triggers.

775
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,950
Something or to be fair, some
people are just really hard on

776
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,060
themselves and it doesn't matter
what the outcome was going to be

777
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:31,950
like, you know, in terms, it
doesn't matter how you

778
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,290
delivered.
If there was something slightly

779
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,600
negative, you could have said 19
positive things.

780
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,980
One negative thing really tried
hard and they will still cry.

781
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:40,620
So I think there are going to be
people who, I suppose, react

782
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:41,680
different.
Moving on to that, then, what

783
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:43,940
would that look like in a school
that's awful to work in?

784
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:45,880
It would look like that
consistently.

785
00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:48,400
Whenever there's a yeah,
whenever there's observations,

786
00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:49,980
someone's crying.
Yeah, And it's a cross.

787
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:52,590
And I tell you what it looked
like is those same people, when

788
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,580
observation is coming up,
extremely anxious, already

789
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:58,100
getting upset.
If if that's a massive sign.

790
00:32:58,150 --> 00:33:00,550
If someone getting upset
beforehand hasn't even happened

791
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,980
yet, then you know that they
that they know.

792
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:05,280
The only thing is going to be
the culture is negative.

793
00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:08,940
But moving on to the next point,
micromanaging this.

794
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:10,620
This came up a lot when I was
talking to.

795
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,590
People, it's just that idea of
and again it goes removing

796
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,960
point, removing autonomy, being
micromanaged too much makes the

797
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:20,660
workplace horrendous people.
So do you think there's any, do

798
00:33:20,670 --> 00:33:23,250
you think there are any
positives ever to a school

799
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,310
having really fine rules details
in place that they say you have

800
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,910
to do this?
I mean, I I, I think the kind of

801
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,490
have to have that and I I think
micromanaging to me is you can

802
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,240
have those things in place, but
it's not letting people just go

803
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:40,010
and do them and explore and find
the mistakes themselves and and

804
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:42,430
just learn how to do.
Maybe there is a really, really

805
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,190
strict policy and it's super
fine, all these little details,

806
00:33:45,540 --> 00:33:48,600
but just let OK, give them the
policy, let your staff do it.

807
00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:51,040
Let them have a go and then
review it in a few months, OK,

808
00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:54,130
well, that's not working.
I wonder why it's all either all

809
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:58,030
of my staff are terrible or
maybe maybe my policy is a

810
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,460
little bit too bitty.
Rather than just constantly

811
00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:04,250
being on your car every single
day, micromanaging.

812
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:06,350
Have done this, done that.
I've checked this, but I've done

813
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,980
this.
No one likes that.

814
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:12,580
The ultimate example of that is
when something's introduced, OK?

815
00:34:12,620 --> 00:34:17,179
And as professionals you feel
not heard because something

816
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:20,020
might be brought into with
really good intent, Really good

817
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:21,900
intent.
We're going to start doing this

818
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:25,820
in our music curriculum, OK?
When the staff team turn around

819
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:29,280
and all of them think that
that's a bad idea and they say

820
00:34:29,290 --> 00:34:31,860
no, I don't think so.
Because XI don't think so.

821
00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:35,190
Because of Yi don't think so
because of ZI think in a bad

822
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,969
school that's completely
ignored.

823
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:39,530
Yeah, in in a school that's
awful to work in your

824
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:42,409
professional judgement as the
literal people who deliver the

825
00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:46,610
change that's being implemented.
So the teaching staff who are

826
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:48,550
going to be delivering this
change, you're trying to put in

827
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,060
place, if they are saying no,
that needs to be top of the.

828
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:53,770
OK, well, why?
Let's find out.

829
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:56,139
Yeah.
Because then a good leadership

830
00:34:56,150 --> 00:34:58,380
might come along and say, well,
we wanted to introduce this

831
00:34:58,390 --> 00:35:01,020
because we need to do that.
And then the teacher can say,

832
00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:02,310
OK, well, maybe we can do it
this way.

833
00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,820
Maybe it's that way because the
way you're telling us to do this

834
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:06,820
now is not gonna work.
Yeah.

835
00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:08,600
And here are the reasons.
To add to that point slightly

836
00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:10,140
more, because you did kind of
address it really.

837
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:13,420
I think it's also bad management
though to do the complete

838
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:15,960
opposite, which is all your
staff team say no, so you don't

839
00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:18,320
do it automatically, yeah.
It has to be, and you were

840
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:20,550
basically just fleshing that out
right then.

841
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,360
There has to be a middle ground
of if all of your staff are

842
00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:26,870
saying no, the least you can do
is listen to their concerns and

843
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,510
as a as a good manager try to
come to a conclusion about right

844
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:34,250
is there validity in why
everyone thinks is bad?

845
00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:36,760
The chances are there is if
everyone thinks it's bad for

846
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:38,190
sure.
What often happens in schools.

847
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,730
I know this is every school ever
I've hopefully people nodding

848
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:42,920
like, yeah, there's always going
to be one staff member that

849
00:35:42,930 --> 00:35:46,370
resists any change anyway
because it's just different and

850
00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:47,530
it doesn't mean that.
Bad.

851
00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:48,240
Does it?
No.

852
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,170
Yeah, doesn't mean it's bad, but
like, yeah, so I suppose in in a

853
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,450
in a school that's terrible to
work in things to look out for

854
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:57,250
red flags, when when management
basically work completely

855
00:35:57,260 --> 00:36:00,260
separately to the teaching team,
Yeah, there's no, they're

856
00:36:00,270 --> 00:36:01,990
completely separate.
Like our government.

857
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:05,230
Our government.
So the education secretary, who

858
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,910
is completely disassociated from
all of us, has nothing to do

859
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,180
with teaching anything about it.
It's the same thing.

860
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:13,640
And we none of us respect her.
Yeah, If literally 10s of

861
00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:15,510
thousands, I think, if not
hundreds of thousands of

862
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,690
teachers are saying this, the
thing we do 60 hours a week

863
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:25,040
isn't is completely broken.
And then the people in charge

864
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:27,590
go, no, I think you're the
problem.

865
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,850
Yeah, one person.
I worked in a school, don't

866
00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:36,750
really visit them often.
Maybe it can't be me, maybe the

867
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,790
teachers are the problem.
Maybe it is the 100 thousands.

868
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,230
Maybe it is the four days they
head off instead of the millions

869
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,730
of pounds they've lost.
I I think it is actually.

870
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,780
I'm going to record a video and
post it on X GET in the bin GET.

871
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,580
In the bin, just quick side
point, did you see that video of

872
00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:56,470
Rishi Sunak with the transition?
So good, so good, so good.

873
00:36:56,620 --> 00:37:00,700
He's clearly got a team around
and got right Gen Z, they're

874
00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:03,980
doing transitions non-stop, so
whenever you want to make a

875
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:06,000
point, you just go up to the
camera.

876
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:07,260
There you go.
I'm doing it right now and

877
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:09,240
watching.
Your hand to the camera.

878
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:16,640
Also, I'm going to be stopping
the boats and I'm going to be

879
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:20,320
halving the inflation, which I
don't have control over going

880
00:37:20,330 --> 00:37:22,900
up, but when it goes down, I'll
pretend I have control over it

881
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:25,580
and it'll be good for me and
also.

882
00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:27,860
For anyone listening, he is
putting his hands on camera.

883
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:34,070
I'm going to also did I say stop
the boats, Please vote for me.

884
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,510
What's the thing that will get
the most votes?

885
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,620
Just say five things over and
over and.

886
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:40,680
I'll fix it.
You know, I just, I know we got

887
00:37:40,690 --> 00:37:42,430
off 1 slightly, but I promise I
won't be too long.

888
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,660
But I had a interesting
conversation with my mum.

889
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:46,310
Don't hear it.
You were like, this is

890
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,270
political.
He loves a political thing.

891
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,020
And we were talking about like,
we're going to the elderly

892
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:54,370
drivers.
OK, all right.

893
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:55,530
Really random, random
discussion.

894
00:37:55,540 --> 00:37:58,570
And my mum was just basically
quick to say, oh, a few years

895
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:01,950
ago there was definitely talk of
introducing a test for people

896
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,490
over a certain age.
Still drive or whatever,

897
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:07,400
essentially safely.
Because there was a rise in

898
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:08,530
crashes and things.
Yeah.

899
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:10,610
And.
And she was like, yeah, I know

900
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:13,140
that's not coming.
I was like, OK, who, who's the

901
00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:15,090
primary voters for?
For the Tories there?

902
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:18,120
Ohh, obviously older people.
OK, well there you go then

903
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:20,980
nothing will ever get done.
If it affects the largest voter

904
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:22,620
base, that's as simple as that.
As well it was.

905
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:25,010
Teachers on the whole are never
going to vote Tory.

906
00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:27,460
Yeah, so why would they bother
ever giving us anything?

907
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:29,080
Of course.
Why do you think Rishi Sunak is

908
00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:31,960
going back on all the green
pledges after doing loads of

909
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:34,020
green stuff as the Chancellor
under Boris Johnson?

910
00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:36,690
Incredibly green, like
government to be fair, did a lot

911
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:38,800
of green stuff.
Why do you think now he suddenly

912
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:40,390
doesn't care and cares about
them?

913
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,990
Won't somebody please think of
the motorist?

914
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:45,390
Won't somebody please think of
the person in the one tonne

915
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,970
metal vehicle?
Ohh.

916
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:48,690
What they going to do?
Just that they're gonna go

917
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:52,180
slower for a bit, mate.
Yeah, they're gonna go a bit

918
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:56,020
slower and and the world's gonna
carry on, for God's sake.

919
00:38:56,070 --> 00:38:58,740
Yep, Honestly.
Anyway, back in the bad school,

920
00:38:58,750 --> 00:39:00,720
Yeah, basically Soon.
That would be in charge, yeah.

921
00:39:00,730 --> 00:39:02,430
And he would just completely
change his mind every three.

922
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Seconds, got some bad news for
you, Yeah.

923
00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:08,180
He's done everything of the
whole thing.

924
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:11,940
So yeah, I mean, we're going off
on a bit because it's easy too.

925
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:14,940
But in a bad school, this is
what we see.

926
00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:18,640
Management separated from staff,
no autonomy for teachers,

927
00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:22,500
micromanagement to the empty
degree, general negative vibes

928
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:25,680
around the place and that can
seep even from the staff room.

929
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:30,500
And the baseline of teachers,
Yes, you are doing a bad job.

930
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:35,500
You have baseline and I suppose
what I wanted to do was OK,

931
00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:37,720
everything there is to do
management and I think it's

932
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:40,570
really easy for us to just say
OK, what makes a bad school

933
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:43,590
management.
I wanna kind of push the boat

934
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,010
out a bit and and think what
else what, what other factors

935
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:48,790
are there as to why schools
become a place that we don't

936
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,490
want to work in.
And I think the majority, sure,

937
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,950
it's down to management.
But there's a lot of extreme

938
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
like extremity factors.
Extreme factors factors on the

939
00:39:57,170 --> 00:40:00,220
outside that I think really can
have a big part and you can work

940
00:40:00,230 --> 00:40:03,770
in a school with really strong
leadership but this can still

941
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:05,890
make this make you dread going
into work.

942
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:06,570
Yeah.
OK.

943
00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:08,570
And I think the biggest one at
the minute, we missed it last

944
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:10,390
week is behaviour.
Yeah.

945
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:14,820
That can really get people down.
And the point, I guess links

946
00:40:14,830 --> 00:40:16,940
into something else.
If you're in a year group that

947
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:19,280
you simply don't want to teach
because you can just be moved,

948
00:40:19,330 --> 00:40:20,420
Yeah, that's very, very.
Easy.

949
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:21,880
You might just have a
preference.

950
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:24,320
Yeah, I have a preference.
And it doubles up with behaviour

951
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:26,220
though.
So you're in a year group, you

952
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:28,260
don't wanna teach and you've got
a class which again, like you

953
00:40:28,270 --> 00:40:30,840
said, potluck just happened to
be the most disruptive class

954
00:40:30,850 --> 00:40:32,850
possible.
Yeah, that's gonna affect your

955
00:40:32,860 --> 00:40:34,800
mood.
That's gonna affect your outlook

956
00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:36,750
and the school, no matter what's
happening.

957
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,040
From and you happen to be
working with a team that you

958
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:41,070
just don't gel with?
Yeah, that's not because you're

959
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:41,880
horrible.
Horrible.

960
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:43,800
But you know, we don't.
We're not all best friends,

961
00:40:43,810 --> 00:40:45,280
everyone.
We don't always gel with people.

962
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:47,380
We have different personalities
and people who work differently

963
00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:48,940
to you.
I've had this for sure, and I

964
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:51,230
know that I've been the person I
think I I.

965
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:52,190
Definitely.
You're the outlier.

966
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,920
Yeah.
I've been the person who does

967
00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:58,520
differently to like the other
two or three, and maybe that

968
00:40:58,530 --> 00:41:00,340
might be that the other two or
three are just much more

969
00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:04,180
organised and planned way ahead
and then we share planning and I

970
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:06,680
just don't.
And it doesn't get to them in

971
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:08,880
the same timely manner as it
gets to me.

972
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:11,990
I end up feeling bad because of
it and they end up feeling rest,

973
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,390
I imagine because it's not how
they would.

974
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,790
Do it.
And you made them quit, so they

975
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,990
quit cause you're the problem.
That's the answer to the

976
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,100
question, yeah.
What though, because I was

977
00:41:21,110 --> 00:41:23,060
thinking about this, you did.
You did mention this to me when

978
00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:26,830
I was discussing ideas about the
the, the episode, and I think,

979
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,870
pretend that we know what we're.
Talking, yeah, I still think

980
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,590
they're really, really separate.
I I kind of put all those things

981
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,450
into just like a potluck
category, whereas I think the

982
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:39,440
management thing not potluck.
It's I guess it's potluck, no.

983
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:41,070
But I think it can be really
easily controlled.

984
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,460
You can't change the behaviour.
It is kind of just luck, right?

985
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:45,570
Good point.
You can't really change, like

986
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:48,300
it's not up to you as a staff
member that you can't change the

987
00:41:48,310 --> 00:41:50,400
other staff members like
personalities, really.

988
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:52,490
Like whether you tell them or
not, it's kind of a you problem,

989
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,980
but you can't change the
leadership's personalities and

990
00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:55,620
the way.
They no.

991
00:41:55,630 --> 00:41:57,580
But we can change the
leadership, we can change the

992
00:41:57,590 --> 00:42:00,350
staff.
That's the, that's the, that's

993
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,300
the outlook of some.
People, yeah, I don't know.

994
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:03,760
It still feels different.
I can't really work it.

995
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:06,200
It just feels different to me,
like it's good for a podcast.

996
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:08,500
You can't wear something.
Ohh wait.

997
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:11,350
I don't know if you're not, No.
I'm playing out of gear.

998
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,110
I think you're right.
I think it can be more of a

999
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,950
system.
It's more systemic, the other

1000
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,150
things.
And with systemic stuff, you can

1001
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,610
uproot the systems and change
them.

1002
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:20,090
Yeah.
Whereas, you know, no matter

1003
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:22,990
what systems are in place,
you're gonna get a child like a

1004
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,950
class.
That's boisterous.

1005
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,600
You're gonna get individuals
that you just don't get on with.

1006
00:42:26,610 --> 00:42:28,190
Like you said, that's not bad.
Not bad.

1007
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,690
Teachers.
There, but it might be because

1008
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,520
my point there, I guess it's
because of your personality for

1009
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:33,650
those teachers didn't get on
with you.

1010
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:36,200
Your personality.
We might have gone, but I don't

1011
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:37,530
know, it just seems different to
me.

1012
00:42:37,540 --> 00:42:40,190
Yeah, it's the systems in place.
You can change the policies.

1013
00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:42,560
And if you've got a poor
management team resisting these

1014
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:44,560
changes, it just makes a
horrible place to work.

1015
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:46,580
OK, so how about this one then?
This is, I suppose, my last

1016
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:48,590
point here about what makes bad
schools before we go into our

1017
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,930
solutions.
What about then, if that's the

1018
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:53,790
case?
The only way that we're ever

1019
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,050
really going to change that is
if the staff make a point and

1020
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:00,590
almost like they have at Saint
Ivo and gone on strike and said

1021
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,980
no, this is unacceptable.
Yeah, because as long as there's

1022
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:07,170
a lack of a drive to change
anything, then that those things

1023
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:08,850
at the top that can change
won't.

1024
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:11,730
So it is is one of the biggest
problems.

1025
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,780
And I don't necessarily think
this I'm asking you is is one of

1026
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:17,970
the biggest problems that as
teaching staff we tend to be a

1027
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:21,260
bit more passive, a bit more
likely to sit in the staff room

1028
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:23,550
and have a moment of each other
and a bit more likely to go home

1029
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,430
and, you know, let it affect our
personal lives.

1030
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,350
But realistically, from the top
down, they think, well, they're

1031
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,310
all doing it, isn't that.
Great.

1032
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,350
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
I think absolutely on something

1033
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,230
in terms of our culture that we
impact, we all impact the

1034
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,320
culture.
For sure.

1035
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:39,510
And if, yeah, you're right, it
does happen a lot doesn't it?

1036
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,710
Just moaning and then ohh, have
you have you told the head

1037
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,160
teacher what you think?
No.

1038
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:47,000
Yeah well you money then.
Like I suppose if they're if

1039
00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:49,840
you're in a good school, brings
it back around.

1040
00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:52,340
If you're in a good school,
maybe you people do go and speak

1041
00:43:52,350 --> 00:43:55,160
and they feel like they can.
The heads more proactive in

1042
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,360
asking.
But there is the middle ground.

1043
00:43:57,370 --> 00:44:01,410
You can still have schools where
you do have a nice SLT team, but

1044
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:04,070
they just don't action anything.
I think that because we sort of

1045
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,740
wrote that down, it is that lack
of drive.

1046
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,410
Yeah, OK, You recognise these
problems?

1047
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:09,760
We agree their problems are
problems.

1048
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:10,970
Six months later, nothing's
changed.

1049
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:13,430
Yeah, it's like, OK, that's
probably a quality of a bad

1050
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,820
score.
It's just not maybe as bad as

1051
00:44:14,830 --> 00:44:17,080
the ones that are like, no, we
have, we absolutely disagree

1052
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:18,390
with you.
And now you're on a support plan

1053
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,800
for mentioning it because that's
absolutely right.

1054
00:44:20,810 --> 00:44:22,670
That lack of drive.
The drive would just mean that

1055
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,480
your life is even worse.
Yeah, people just make that

1056
00:44:24,490 --> 00:44:28,190
choice of, OK, my life like a
three out of 10 now in this job.

1057
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,430
But if I kick up a fuss, it'll
be a solid one out of 10.

1058
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,140
So I'll just keep the three out
of 10.

1059
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:33,470
Yeah.
And then that's just the worst

1060
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,590
place to be in.
So I I I don't think it's as

1061
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,360
simple as me sitting here like I
sometimes do.

1062
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:40,430
You've just got to not do it.
It's like, I know, I know, it's

1063
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,990
tricky.
Yeah, I reckon there are staff

1064
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,470
like you and I that would be in
places like St Ivo and

1065
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,710
absolutely have been so ground
down.

1066
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,830
We have no possible way of of
being like that.

1067
00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:52,110
So now we've done all the.
Negative stuff.

1068
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,490
Yeah, only 50 minutes of it.
So we spend.

1069
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:58,130
I think I want to spend the next
little bit just thinking, OK,

1070
00:44:58,180 --> 00:45:00,850
ideal school.
What does it look like?

1071
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,670
What can we do?
How can we fix these problems?

1072
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,030
I know we do this.
It's all really positive.

1073
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,560
Now let's play the Jingle and
have a merry time.

1074
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,740
Are you single?
Then go on.

1075
00:45:10,330 --> 00:45:16,400
Didn't.
Didn't let's be positive.

1076
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:19,280
How can we run a school still
going?

1077
00:45:19,290 --> 00:45:22,740
We will make it good, but not
good like Ousted.

1078
00:45:22,810 --> 00:45:24,330
Good.
Like what I think?

1079
00:45:26,830 --> 00:45:29,180
Yeah, yeah.
Good luck.

1080
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:29,790
What?
I think.

1081
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,140
I love that.
That summarises you well,

1082
00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:35,430
doesn't it?
Not anybody else's opinion, but

1083
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,430
mine.
Dylan Price, That's me.

1084
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,450
I'll spend 5 minutes trying to
convince you that I'm right.

1085
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,740
If you agree, then that's OK.
If you don't, then you're wrong.

1086
00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:48,770
I'm not going to find it now
this last minute, but yesterday

1087
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:50,900
you said something to me.
We were talking and I didn't

1088
00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:54,470
call you out on it, but it made
me laugh so much you said the

1089
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,740
phrase.
You said actually, yeah, you

1090
00:45:59,750 --> 00:46:01,450
said Ohh, come on, I'm gonna get
it wrong.

1091
00:46:01,460 --> 00:46:02,740
I'll get it wrong.
But it was.

1092
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:07,050
I think it was something like.
You're absolutely, you're

1093
00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:10,140
absolutely right, because I
agree that was the phrase you

1094
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:16,640
used and I I remember typing.
Right now you agree.

1095
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:19,750
So I'm right because you made a
point that was slightly

1096
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,040
different to mine.
And I couldn't just say yeah,

1097
00:46:22,050 --> 00:46:24,020
I'd say yeah, I also had that
train thought.

1098
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:25,880
Yeah, and therefore it's it's
more valid now.

1099
00:46:25,890 --> 00:46:27,420
It's more valid now.
Cause Dan Price agrees.

1100
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:31,810
Laughed.
But let's fix this bloody

1101
00:46:31,820 --> 00:46:33,690
school, shall we?
Let's fix them, shall we?

1102
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:37,620
Move on from you.
Embarrassing, right?

1103
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:42,360
So I'm sufficiently embarrassed.
Good Hayden, What can we do to

1104
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:43,630
fix these problems in the
school?

1105
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:44,860
What is it?
Good school look.

1106
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:48,780
Like, it's all about trust.
All about award loyalty,

1107
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:49,870
satisfaction.
Yeah.

1108
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,610
Well, when when I was having the
conversations with people about

1109
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:55,520
what makes negative schools,
they were then inadvertently

1110
00:46:55,570 --> 00:46:58,440
telling me what a good school is
and the good schools I've worked

1111
00:46:58,450 --> 00:46:58,780
in.
Sure.

1112
00:46:58,790 --> 00:47:01,140
And the biggest thing that came
from it was this idea of trust.

1113
00:47:01,150 --> 00:47:02,520
And I think it's quite a wide
point.

1114
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:04,620
Maybe we can delve into it a bit
more.

1115
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:06,140
But it was always, yeah, just to
trust.

1116
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:08,270
Trusting me, trusting me as a
teacher, trusting all your

1117
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,440
staff, trusting that the right
things are going on.

1118
00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:12,800
So like, should we break that
down a bit more?

1119
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:15,150
I suppose the opposite to that
baseline which I spoke about,

1120
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:17,730
where a lot of schools and I've
worked in a school where the

1121
00:47:17,740 --> 00:47:20,490
baseline was, It's not good
enough that I have thought very

1122
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,610
felt very clearly that it was
cool.

1123
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:24,290
Fix that.
And then I knew, OK, what's the

1124
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:25,490
next thing?
It was never cool.

1125
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:26,850
It's working.
Yeah, Never ever.

1126
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:28,450
Were you feeling like you're in
a state of.

1127
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,030
I'm just delivering and doing a
good job, which is fine.

1128
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,030
You can think that for even a
term.

1129
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,700
But there are some places where
you can't think that for a day

1130
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,350
and that's perpetuated by the
top.

1131
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,610
So I guess in a really good
score whilst to trust, What do

1132
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:44,840
you think here?
To me, trust doesn't mean we

1133
00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:46,240
leave you to it all year.
That's it.

1134
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:47,530
Yeah.
And it's just then it's potluck

1135
00:47:47,540 --> 00:47:49,440
from the SLT point of view,
whether you're doing a good job

1136
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:50,490
or not.
Yeah, I agree.

1137
00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:53,310
Trust is is exactly what I'm
gonna say.

1138
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,620
What you're saying now is just
the assumption that you're doing

1139
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:59,420
a good job already.
That's the that's the baseline

1140
00:47:59,430 --> 00:48:00,760
assumption.
You're doing a good job.

1141
00:48:00,770 --> 00:48:02,420
We trust you cause we've
employed you.

1142
00:48:02,430 --> 00:48:04,490
If we didn't, we've done a
terrible job of employment.

1143
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,540
Haven't we really Exactly.
Like, we've known that.

1144
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:09,020
Linked to that is the idea of
autonomy.

1145
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:10,570
So what would what would
autonomy look like?

1146
00:48:10,580 --> 00:48:12,120
Because I'm.
I'm really interested in this

1147
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:15,550
because I think that if I was a
member of SLT, in charge of a

1148
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,460
school, I think that would be, I
would very easily fall into the

1149
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:20,080
trap.
Jokes aside, like what you're

1150
00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:23,800
saying, I will just think, well,
this is the way I do it, so it's

1151
00:48:23,810 --> 00:48:25,160
too inconsistent.
I can't be.

1152
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:26,540
I can't be sure that it's
happening.

1153
00:48:26,550 --> 00:48:28,400
So, OK, you're all gonna do
this.

1154
00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:30,420
So where's the line for you of
autonomy?

1155
00:48:30,430 --> 00:48:31,020
In a good.
School.

1156
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:32,880
I find this one really hard.
I think you probably will as

1157
00:48:32,890 --> 00:48:35,420
well for the same sort of
reason, because I don't think

1158
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:38,500
it's good practise to have too
much autonomy.

1159
00:48:38,570 --> 00:48:40,420
OK, I don't think it would be
good, right?

1160
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:41,900
If me and you weren't went to
school.

1161
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:44,860
And between us and all the other
teachers we all had a completely

1162
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:46,150
different way of teaching
English.

1163
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,960
Like you were like, hey, we've
got, we've got a book for this

1164
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:49,180
time.
We're going to do that and I'm

1165
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:51,360
like, no, I don't, I don't do, I
don't do texts at all.

1166
00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:53,880
We do everything sentence level
and then we do a bit of writing

1167
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:55,790
at the end and someone else has
done something completely

1168
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,660
different.
I think that would be terrible

1169
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:02,110
because I don't think.
That SLT, other than Potluck

1170
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,150
because they could everyone
could just be happened to be

1171
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,350
really good at doing those
things.

1172
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,310
I think there's I don't think
they could have a really good

1173
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,930
hold on what their staff are
doing and a good management

1174
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:11,690
system.
They're OK.

1175
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:12,930
We can assess this.
Well.

1176
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:14,620
So what does autonomy look like
then?

1177
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:17,110
Because I suppose what we're
saying is there'd be some

1178
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,890
baseline rules in charge, like,
you're going to use this text,

1179
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:22,770
OK And we want you to make sure
you're covering these kind of

1180
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:25,280
strands with your questioning.
We want to make sure that you're

1181
00:49:25,290 --> 00:49:26,890
covering the curriculum and
you're writing.

1182
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:29,970
So what will autonomy look like
in terms of, let's say, a

1183
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:32,940
parallel class?
Yeah, or even year groups,

1184
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:35,030
whatever you want it to be.
You walk through a school.

1185
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,170
How would it be different then?
My opinion on how autonomous

1186
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:42,690
something is is pretty much
based on the point in which we

1187
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,530
stopped getting involved as
management.

1188
00:49:44,570 --> 00:49:48,270
So that point for me is you can,
you can be quite prescriptive

1189
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,710
all the way down, I think even
to the learning objectives.

1190
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:53,360
And at that point if you stop,
it's it's autonomous for me

1191
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:56,210
because it's like cool.
As a teacher, we trust you to

1192
00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:59,070
deliver this curriculum in a
really good way.

1193
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,950
Here is the curriculum and you
have to deliver this.

1194
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,900
Curriculum, you got to deliver
this curriculum, Here it is.

1195
00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:06,570
Here are all the objectives.
I'll even let you decide how

1196
00:50:06,580 --> 00:50:07,720
long you're gonna spend on the
objectives.

1197
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:10,370
But here they are in order
across two terms.

1198
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:13,790
You've got to teach this and the
autonomy for me is saying to the

1199
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,380
teacher, giving them all that
and saying go on then off you go

1200
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:18,990
and not getting involved every
day and micro manage and say, Oh

1201
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,620
no, I think you should spend 15
minutes on that task, 20 minutes

1202
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:23,640
on this one.
That's a bad lesson.

1203
00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:25,500
Because of that Well, I'm
thinking back to observation

1204
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:28,380
feedback I've had before where
there there there really are two

1205
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:31,140
types of observation feedback
ones where it's like, OK,

1206
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:32,960
actually, yeah, that's really
useful.

1207
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,020
I, you know, I did spend too
long on that.

1208
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:38,150
But because you explained to me
that that had a detrimental

1209
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,600
effect then on their task,
detrimental effect on their

1210
00:50:40,610 --> 00:50:43,550
independence, but that's that's
really useful good feedback.

1211
00:50:43,610 --> 00:50:46,360
But when it's not useful is.
I always remember a lesson you

1212
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:50,190
had with metaphors and similes,
and you simply got the children

1213
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,760
to write down a definition of a
metaphor and simile in their

1214
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:55,270
book so they could refer back to
it and understand because

1215
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,460
they're working with both that
took a.

1216
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:59,480
Minute, a minute.
And I really wanted them to

1217
00:50:59,490 --> 00:51:00,830
write it.
And that's because it was

1218
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:04,130
autonomy to say, OK, I'm going
to use that as a learning tool

1219
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:06,650
for them to come back to in my
lesson that I've planned.

1220
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,870
And that was a problem.
Yeah, I got told it was a waste

1221
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,550
of a minute.
And bear in mind I'd really

1222
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,700
meticulously thought about my
lesson.

1223
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:16,380
It was observation and and I
specifically, I'd already run

1224
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:18,260
through the options of.
I could just give it to them on

1225
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:20,510
a bit of paper and stick it in
and I was like, no, I want them

1226
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,700
to write it down because it
literally is going to force them

1227
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:24,270
for one whole minute to think
about that.

1228
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,910
Like the worst case scenario is
someone manages to write that

1229
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,470
down and not blindly and not
think about it, but most kids

1230
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:31,300
are going to be reading the
words.

1231
00:51:31,660 --> 00:51:33,810
And I wanted them to do that.
Not terrible.

1232
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:36,050
I got bad feedback for that
lesson because that should have

1233
00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:38,670
been on a sticker or a bit of
paper and just stuck in their

1234
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,980
book.
So you could get on and do you

1235
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:41,350
want.
The worst thing is in these kind

1236
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,490
of schools where that's a
problem, depending on who's

1237
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:45,550
seeing you, if you've done a
sticker, someone would have said

1238
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,690
it was a problem.
Yes, of course.

1239
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,750
Someone else would have been
like, why don't you get to write

1240
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,150
down it will embed it more.
It's so objective.

1241
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,010
And I think in a good school you
get rid of the subjective stuff

1242
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:55,710
because you just trust your
professionals.

1243
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,850
You can judge them on, oh gosh,
you're a year four teacher and

1244
00:51:58,860 --> 00:52:00,410
you didn't.
You've not taught this objective

1245
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:02,500
in addition and subtraction, but
they need to know this.

1246
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:05,930
Yeah, that that should never be
offensive to someone because you

1247
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:08,470
need to cover the curriculum.
If you go in and you say, well,

1248
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,280
actually I did think that the
fact you spoke about your

1249
00:52:11,290 --> 00:52:13,930
weekend for a couple of minutes
halfway through the lesson, I

1250
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:15,710
don't think that was on.
I think we could have spent

1251
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,090
that.
They weren't learning.

1252
00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:17,900
Yeah.
Get over.

1253
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:20,300
IT yeah, the teachers
professional.

1254
00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:22,000
Yeah, exactly.
And I think it really nicely to

1255
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:25,240
the next point about having
clear systems in place.

1256
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,400
So I guess for me, autonomy
stops at the point of AS

1257
00:52:29,410 --> 00:52:32,170
management, you've got really
good policies and systems.

1258
00:52:32,250 --> 00:52:35,530
Place that your staff can follow
easily, so that they can be

1259
00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:37,090
autonomous with the delivery of
those lessons.

1260
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:40,080
That's such a good point,
because in itself, having a

1261
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:43,780
system that everyone follows
isn't autonomy, but it allows

1262
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:46,310
for good autonomy.
It's interesting, So how would

1263
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,720
that look in your score?
So are you talking about a

1264
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:50,070
scheme of work?
Are you talking about a

1265
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,610
behaviour system?
Like what do?

1266
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:54,800
You mean, OK, I'm right?
Now the example I'm thinking of

1267
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:56,140
is something like a scheme of
work, right?

1268
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:59,150
Because we have subject leaders.
Now I'm thinking back to a time

1269
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,380
when I first became maths
subject leader and I was super

1270
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:03,690
super.
Super passionate about the

1271
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:06,150
subject, yeah.
And I just had this assumption

1272
00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:09,430
that everyone else was, was
passionate and I look back at it

1273
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,950
and and I learned a lot from
that time because I think we

1274
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,710
lead maths quite differently now
to how I LED maths way back

1275
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,080
then.
Because back then, and I think

1276
00:53:17,090 --> 00:53:21,590
this was terrible, was I put in
place loads and loads and loads

1277
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,590
of really intricate things that
were just amazing.

1278
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,210
They're very time-consuming but
really, really good passionate

1279
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:27,230
things.
Because I was so passionate

1280
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,500
about maths and I was like
everyone has to do this now I've

1281
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:31,490
given you this resource, right?
You've got to before you plan,

1282
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:32,970
you gotta check this, this and
this.

1283
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:34,490
And you've got to get one of
these in.

1284
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:36,670
And I was like, this is great,
like as if because if everyone

1285
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,430
does that, these maths lessons
will be perfect.

1286
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,390
But really in reality no one was
anywhere near as passionate as I

1287
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,070
was at that time about maths.
And it was just a huge burden

1288
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,970
and it was a really, really
complex policy that no one could

1289
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:52,270
actually get their head round
and follow properly.

1290
00:53:52,540 --> 00:53:57,950
So I think that coming back full
circle a better system in place

1291
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,630
would be, would have been much
more simple.

1292
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:02,200
Maybe sacrificed a few of those
things that I know are really

1293
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:03,370
great.
But you know what?

1294
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:06,120
Teachers can be autonomous and
put those things in if they

1295
00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:07,340
want.
Because if your system's really

1296
00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:09,750
good, there might just be a
little vocab, a little Bank of

1297
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,800
resources there they can use if
they want to have that autonomy.

1298
00:54:12,810 --> 00:54:14,370
Yeah.
But here's the core system in

1299
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:15,820
place.
Yeah.

1300
00:54:15,860 --> 00:54:17,400
No, I think that's really
powerful.

1301
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,030
I completely agree with that
journey.

1302
00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:22,550
And I think a lot of people
listening who do work in the

1303
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,200
school or in any kind of job, I
suppose, is when someone puts

1304
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:29,190
their passion or their, you
know, job description onto other

1305
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,690
people.
And it's like, OK, I understand

1306
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:33,690
how much you're passionate and I
actually know that what you're

1307
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:36,230
doing is really good.
But that does not mean that it's

1308
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,800
going to be beneficial if you
force everyone to do it because

1309
00:54:38,810 --> 00:54:41,460
what happens to history happens
to science, happens to English.

1310
00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:43,950
Yeah, it's just too much.
And I think you're absolutely

1311
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,380
right about clear systems which
feel sometimes maybe you're

1312
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:49,870
taking autonomy away.
Good leaders will make it very

1313
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,140
clear that there is autonomy
built in because you can do X,

1314
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:54,710
you can do you can do Z.
From our case in maths, it's the

1315
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,310
pitch, it's the pace, it's what
you want to alter.

1316
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,810
There's a curriculum and
progression.

1317
00:54:58,820 --> 00:55:01,460
You've got to use it.
Yeah, but how will you think you

1318
00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:02,630
need to deliver it for your
children?

1319
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,350
Even in that lesson, you think,
OK, we need a practical lesson

1320
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,730
here.
I'm going to go off script

1321
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,870
because I know the end goal is
given to me and I need them to

1322
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,890
get there, but I know that my
children will get there this

1323
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:13,810
way.
So I'm going to do it If we

1324
00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:17,330
walked in and we saw someone
going completely off script, but

1325
00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:19,030
we just watched it and went, oh,
I get that.

1326
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,840
Yeah.
Yeah, which is very different to

1327
00:55:21,850 --> 00:55:23,990
Imagine we were in a poor
school, Imagine we were the bad

1328
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:25,480
management.
We walked in, we saw them going

1329
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:26,860
off script and we told them that
was terrible.

1330
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:29,000
They didn't stick to the script.
That's awful.

1331
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:31,140
You've now made.
You've started a terrible

1332
00:55:31,150 --> 00:55:35,680
culture, and good teaching is
often painted in a bad light.

1333
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:37,620
That's objectively good
teaching.

1334
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:41,140
If you make that choice for your
children, you would be making

1335
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:43,120
people scared to make good
choices for their children

1336
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:46,140
through being scared of.
The risk of or it could be a bad

1337
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:47,490
choice.
You know what it might not be

1338
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:50,570
though.
How about then when we're

1339
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:51,730
thinking about what makes a good
score?

1340
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:54,100
And I guess it's the kind of
antithesis of everything we just

1341
00:55:54,110 --> 00:55:56,850
said about bad score.
But I think this is so important

1342
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,890
is we talked about positivity
with the children.

1343
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:01,440
Yeah.
OK Yeah.

1344
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,280
And I'm really, really
passionate about this.

1345
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:05,910
And I know sometimes it can
become quite condescending to my

1346
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,770
friends who laugh and joke.
They they understand why they

1347
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:10,450
think it's nice.
But I always say this when I

1348
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:13,430
play golf with my friends, they
hit a good shot.

1349
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,250
I kind of feel like going to
teacher mode.

1350
00:56:15,450 --> 00:56:17,340
Ohh, what a shot.
What?

1351
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:20,370
Unbelievable.
That's so good because I just go

1352
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:22,280
into that.
I feel like I want to praise

1353
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:24,200
everything because I get the
most out of my kids.

1354
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:28,430
With adults it can be seen as
condescending and we can be seen

1355
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,520
as very professional, especially
in these schools were not nice

1356
00:56:30,530 --> 00:56:34,350
to be in and you know you talked
about the baseline of negative.

1357
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,260
It's something's bad.
So my job, by definition, is to

1358
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:41,430
fix things as SLT in a good
school.

1359
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,370
What does that relationship look
like between management and?

1360
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,130
Teaching it looks exactly the
same as the relationship between

1361
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,630
you and your kids in a good
school.

1362
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,030
Tell them what to do and they do
it.

1363
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,150
The same year?
Yeah.

1364
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,570
Not that it's the same thing,
because it's just psychology.

1365
00:56:53,580 --> 00:56:55,590
That point we made at the
beginning of this episode about

1366
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,170
building good rapport with your
kids?

1367
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,470
Really, It's not really about
kids at all?

1368
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,970
No you don't.
You don't want 30 mate to A7.

1369
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:03,580
Yeah, exactly.
That's not really what why are

1370
00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:04,870
you building?
It's psychology.

1371
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:08,390
It's because people feel good
when they've been told they're

1372
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,890
doing things well.
That is really quite simple.

1373
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:12,620
And when people feel good, guess
what?

1374
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:15,020
They do things well, yeah, yeah,
there's a cycle, right?

1375
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:17,260
And when people feel bad about
stuff, it's the classic thing.

1376
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:20,440
You're a teacher, think right
now how many kids can you list

1377
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:24,000
on the back of your hand who are
are not very good at reading

1378
00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:26,320
than they hate reading.
It's a cycle.

1379
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:29,580
I'm not very good at PE, hate
PE, not very good at math, hate

1380
00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:30,800
maths.
Of course they do.

1381
00:57:30,850 --> 00:57:32,140
Teachers.
I'm not very good at teaching

1382
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:33,560
now.
I hate teaching and I've quit.

1383
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:35,860
It's the same thing.
So I've just think.

1384
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:37,340
I don't think it's condescending
really.

1385
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,990
I live life like that as well.
I really, I really try to go out

1386
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,780
of my way to look.
I'm sorry.

1387
00:57:41,790 --> 00:57:44,980
Yeah, you're you're literally
the only person who I'm, like,

1388
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:47,630
constantly brutal, brutal.
Because we have a deeper

1389
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,530
connection, we have a deeper
connection.

1390
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,460
But it's true.
When my friends do stuff, I

1391
00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:53,680
always try to like big them up
and be nice.

1392
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:55,470
But I might have the odd joke,
but I actually hate it.

1393
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,230
I find it cringe when you have
those friends or people that

1394
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,720
hey.
But you know what I mean?

1395
00:58:01,730 --> 00:58:05,200
There are those people out there
who they only they only ever

1396
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:07,800
make things like Take the Take
the Mick out of good things like

1397
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:08,920
Ohh.
Well, we've done that for.

1398
00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:11,730
It's like.
That's because it's an affront

1399
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:13,690
to them.
Again, I feel like I did this to

1400
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:16,010
you, but it's because we're, I
feel like we've gone past it,

1401
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:18,000
but like, it's an affront when
they've done something.

1402
00:58:18,010 --> 00:58:21,380
Well, yeah, you ever get that.
And I know people where if I

1403
00:58:21,390 --> 00:58:24,330
were to say and I don't even
like saying, like I've achieved

1404
00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:26,930
this, I don't really like that.
But if I were to say that there

1405
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,860
are some people I know who would
like really picked me up, and

1406
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:32,430
there are some people I know who
their first thought would be,

1407
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,250
what have I done that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1408
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:39,490
And it's that kind of all right.
I've had a kid constantly.

1409
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:44,560
I'm having a kid.
Yep, that's me, baby.

1410
00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:46,240
But yeah, no going back to that
kind of thing.

1411
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:49,290
Yeah, it when you got that
feedback from your English

1412
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:50,630
lesson about your metaphors and
similes.

1413
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,670
Yeah, right.
Did you After that, I think, Oh

1414
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,640
my gosh, I'm transformed now I'm
going to teach English so much

1415
00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:57,500
better because you've told me I
can't write it down.

1416
00:58:57,690 --> 00:59:00,990
Or did you think, OK, screw it,
boring lessons from now then I'm

1417
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,430
not gonna.
Bother I actually thought I lost

1418
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,980
complete faith in this city
because they didn't, because I

1419
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:07,380
thought I did plenty of good
stuff.

1420
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:08,940
I don't think I'm perfect where
we're.

1421
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:10,820
Lesson was perfect.
I reckon they're always.

1422
00:59:11,050 --> 00:59:12,730
I can look back now and reflect
on that lesson.

1423
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:13,870
Yes.
And teach it way better.

1424
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,070
Yeah.
But they didn't give me that

1425
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,630
feedback.
Yeah, they didn't give me those

1426
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,230
constructive things.
They just picked on something

1427
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,370
really arbitrary that I thought
was just pointless point to

1428
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:21,910
make.
And they didn't mention anything

1429
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,010
good.
So I was like, cool.

1430
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:27,450
I don't like being bolshier, I
guess, and quite stubborn and

1431
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:29,550
arrogant.
I just took that as cool.

1432
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,450
You have no idea to talk about.
I literally don't respect

1433
00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:33,580
anymore.
I have no, I do not care what

1434
00:59:33,590 --> 00:59:35,310
you say to me, right or wrong,
OK?

1435
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:38,510
That's clearly a bad environment
to work in.

1436
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,570
So no matter.
Doesn't matter if you're right

1437
00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:43,650
or wrong in that situation.
If SLT are giving that kind of

1438
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:45,990
feedback, you're going to get
that kind of response.

1439
00:59:46,060 --> 00:59:47,850
That's not a nice situation.
No.

1440
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,450
And if I was less arrogant and
stubborn, big if, yeah.

1441
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,980
If I were less arrogant and just
basically a normal human being,

1442
00:59:54,990 --> 00:59:56,950
normal teachers, I probably
would have taken that feedback

1443
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,900
really badly and then made sure
to never do that thing again.

1444
00:59:59,910 --> 01:00:02,380
Which I thought was good about
getting children to write things

1445
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:04,560
down because I think there's
value in them writing it.

1446
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:06,730
Always put on stickers and then
my teachings.

1447
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:07,490
Worse.
Yeah.

1448
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,450
That's such a good point.
There's too much autonomy,

1449
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:12,600
actually squashes teachers.
So I guess OK And me kind of

1450
01:00:12,610 --> 01:00:15,940
playing this role of well, OK.
But you know it's all well and

1451
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:19,720
good saying to someone.
Well done, well done you.

1452
01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:21,380
Thank you.
Did you do all that planning?

1453
01:00:22,010 --> 01:00:23,110
Well done.
Well done, though.

1454
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,730
What did you do that planning at
weekends.

1455
01:00:24,740 --> 01:00:25,780
Did you know that planning
though.

1456
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:26,780
Yeah.
Well done though.

1457
01:00:26,850 --> 01:00:29,420
Yeah.
What about, you know, I, I know

1458
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:33,280
a lot of you know people in
those kind of positions from

1459
01:00:33,290 --> 01:00:37,420
previous life, let's say, where
I'm like, OK, you present very

1460
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:38,160
nice.
Yeah.

1461
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:41,640
But you perpetuate this toxic
environment, so it'll be real.

1462
01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:42,990
So what?
What?

1463
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,190
OK, what can we actually do?
Yes, we're gonna be positive to

1464
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,810
our staff, but it's that W word.
Hmm.

1465
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,550
You know what word I'm talking
about?

1466
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:50,510
What?
What can?

1467
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,850
What does that look like in a
good?

1468
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:53,150
Score.
Well, yeah.

1469
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,150
OK.
So just gonna go back a step

1470
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,800
because that's awkward because.
I don't know.

1471
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,610
Workload.
OK.

1472
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:00,950
I was thinking what you talking
about?

1473
01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:04,060
I was thinking, hopefully you'll
think about my point as well.

1474
01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:06,890
So.
The fakeness.

1475
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,500
It's so easy to spot, isn't it?
Insidious.

1476
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:11,350
Yeah.
Ohh God, it's like I I genuinely

1477
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,270
think if like if our head
teacher right now said something

1478
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,060
nice to me, I would take that,
I'd believe it 1% because I

1479
01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:17,920
think it's genuine.
But I have definitely been in

1480
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:19,790
situations before where someone
could say something.

1481
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,360
I'm like cool, this is a mask.
Get to the point then what's

1482
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:24,330
what's the negative thing you
want to save underneath.

1483
01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:26,060
So true all I think it's not
real.

1484
01:01:26,070 --> 01:01:27,180
You don't really think this
about me.

1485
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:30,390
You know that classic like,
sandwich of of feedback?

1486
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,410
Relative sandwich, Negative
sandwich.

1487
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:34,570
Yeah, because I like that it's
from my uncle.

1488
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:36,820
Because he was like, he's right,
you don't All the sandwich,

1489
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:38,300
what's on the outside, it's not
bread sandwich.

1490
01:01:38,350 --> 01:01:40,220
So yeah, the whole positive
thing.

1491
01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:42,260
How many times do you see this?
You'll get an e-mail, right?

1492
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:46,260
I have seen such fantastic
things from you.

1493
01:01:46,330 --> 01:01:50,550
But one one amazing week.
We've had amazing teaching from

1494
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,230
the top down.
However, here's 17 things you've

1495
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:53,800
done.
Wrong.

1496
01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:56,820
And it's like, OK, completely
contradicts what I've just said.

1497
01:01:56,910 --> 01:01:59,740
And at that point, the whole
sandwich doesn't work anymore

1498
01:01:59,750 --> 01:02:01,580
because it's got to be genuine.
When you do that, yeah.

1499
01:02:01,590 --> 01:02:04,320
And I think the sandwich, the
positive bit on the outside

1500
01:02:04,330 --> 01:02:05,920
can't be contradicted by the
little bit.

1501
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:08,250
Yeah, if I was giving.
Feedback about maths, right?

1502
01:02:08,310 --> 01:02:10,500
I said wow, your maths teaching
was fantastic, And then I

1503
01:02:10,510 --> 01:02:13,000
immediately told them something
was terrible about that matches.

1504
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:14,720
It's like the first bits now, a
lie.

1505
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:17,010
What you should do is pick out
something that was genuinely

1506
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:18,640
good and unaffected by the
negative thing.

1507
01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:24,030
I thought you had lovely hair.
Those heels and that skirt look,

1508
01:02:24,590 --> 01:02:25,560
that's.
Fantastic.

1509
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:28,180
I'll tell you what so good that
the the policy now in school was

1510
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:30,120
going to be that everyone has to
wear these heels and these

1511
01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:31,180
skirts.
God, you know what?

1512
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:33,330
The makes me cringe even you
saying that.

1513
01:02:33,340 --> 01:02:35,010
But that's that's.
What happened at this school, we

1514
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:36,530
don't know.
We're assuming that was a Hills.

1515
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:39,670
Yeah, but something like that
with the with the uniform.

1516
01:02:39,740 --> 01:02:42,090
But what it has to be if you're
doing the negative sandwich.

1517
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:43,450
I like it.
Sounds nice.

1518
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:48,610
Is if you you know.
It's wrong, Dylan said.

1519
01:02:48,620 --> 01:02:50,030
It it's wrong, he agrees.
It's wrong.

1520
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,260
I've said it.
What's a ham sandwich?

1521
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:52,440
Is it ham, Bread.
Ham.

1522
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:55,060
Don't think so.
Blooming should be.

1523
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,680
Yeah, more how this is great.
Anyway, just to summarise, it

1524
01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:03,060
should be that you pick
something out that's genuinely

1525
01:03:03,070 --> 01:03:04,730
positive that you actually think
you're not.

1526
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,770
Just it's not just a game.
I really like the way you book,

1527
01:03:07,780 --> 01:03:10,610
report and you're startups were
fantastic in the main lesson.

1528
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,700
I just wonder what happened here
this bit and you have a

1529
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:14,790
negative, but at the end of the
lesson you really pulled them

1530
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,810
back and this was crap.
This bit in the middle.

1531
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,510
Shocking.
Shocking if you ask me, but I've

1532
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,510
not finished my sandwich, so
here's something nice.

1533
01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:25,840
Some more families, Yeah.
But yeah, no.

1534
01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:27,390
OK, so.
Absolutely right.

1535
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,190
But the workload very quickly.
Last two things.

1536
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,320
Yeah.
Second to last workload.

1537
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:33,060
How is that managed in a good
school?

1538
01:03:33,130 --> 01:03:33,660
What?
What?

1539
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:35,940
What can we do?
Because the job is hard,

1540
01:03:35,950 --> 01:03:38,040
actively.
We've got lots to do, right?

1541
01:03:38,050 --> 01:03:39,680
We've got lots to do in our
role.

1542
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:44,340
We can't suddenly just say, OK,
just don't plan English.

1543
01:03:44,350 --> 01:03:45,520
Well, no, I need some English
lessons.

1544
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:47,060
So what?
So what does it look like

1545
01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:48,920
effectively in a school?
Knowing that we have a high

1546
01:03:48,930 --> 01:03:51,030
workload, how can it be managed?
Effectively, first of all, it's

1547
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,280
acknowledged.
Hmm.

1548
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,630
And I don't mean the classic and
well done.

1549
01:03:54,810 --> 01:03:57,210
No, not even that.
God, I hate this one.

1550
01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:58,800
Bringing me out.
And people, nice people do it.

1551
01:03:58,810 --> 01:03:59,940
And I know they don't mean
anything by it.

1552
01:03:59,950 --> 01:04:02,750
We've said it before, which is
go on, It's 5:00.

1553
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Go home.
Go home, your Rascal.

1554
01:04:05,330 --> 01:04:07,800
Go on, go on.
Ohh, you are the person in

1555
01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:08,810
charge of why I'm.
Here.

1556
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:09,960
Yeah.
Can I not mark it?

1557
01:04:09,970 --> 01:04:12,000
No.
Go home now.

1558
01:04:12,010 --> 01:04:14,070
Go on, When can I mark?
It does.

1559
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,350
Stop it.
You get it done.

1560
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,600
Get it, don't get, don't get.
Well, you're still here.

1561
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:20,090
We've got marked by tomorrow.
Yeah, yeah, that's the fake.

1562
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:21,200
That's the fakeness again, isn't
it?

1563
01:04:21,210 --> 01:04:23,250
It's that it's that playing the
game of positive sandwich,

1564
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:26,480
playing the game of.
I'm supposed to tell them to not

1565
01:04:26,490 --> 01:04:28,330
work too much, but I'm not going
to reduce it so good.

1566
01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:32,450
Schools are active in the
reduction of workload, so they

1567
01:04:32,460 --> 01:04:34,610
will monitor it.
There has to be something in

1568
01:04:34,620 --> 01:04:37,760
place.
Yeah, OK, employ someone to do

1569
01:04:37,770 --> 01:04:39,270
it.
Or as the head teacher, that's

1570
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,940
that's part of your workload.
Now monitor it.

1571
01:04:42,030 --> 01:04:43,880
Do something about it.
When it gets too much.

1572
01:04:43,890 --> 01:04:46,340
Don't just do the thing that a
lot of schools do is they go, Oh

1573
01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:49,890
yeah, it's bad isn't it?
Yeah, Ohh, it's bad.

1574
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:51,580
Let's have a meeting about it
next time.

1575
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:54,840
And then the term after we'll
think about implementing it and

1576
01:04:54,850 --> 01:04:56,550
hopefully by the time after that
you forgotten about it.

1577
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,180
We've implemented 7 other things
since then.

1578
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,030
You know what we'll do is we'll
implement 7 other things, then

1579
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,220
we'll get rid of one of those
things.

1580
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:03,810
A good thing is time costing,
isn't it?

1581
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:05,080
Yeah, that's a good way to do
it.

1582
01:05:05,090 --> 01:05:07,630
It's like OK, if you're going
to, you have to have a baseline

1583
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,680
of it takes you X amount of time
to plan lessons, right.

1584
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,940
If you're going to introduce
something that literally adds an

1585
01:05:11,950 --> 01:05:14,950
hour a week, yeah, time costing
would be you'd have someone look

1586
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,450
at it and say OK, we need to
save an hour somewhere else.

1587
01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:19,310
If we can't save an hour
somewhere else, we're not

1588
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,530
introducing and you have to be
bullshit to do that because

1589
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,190
quite often things are
introduced with the creeping

1590
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,270
shadow of Ofsted.
So you saying OK, no we're not

1591
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,970
going to do it because of
workload is you essentially as

1592
01:05:30,980 --> 01:05:34,110
an SLT saying no we're not going
to make our curriculum better.

1593
01:05:34,340 --> 01:05:37,270
So where's the line for you?
Because you have to say, no,

1594
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,300
we're not going to make things
better because of workload.

1595
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:41,080
Yeah, where's the line?
I don't know.

1596
01:05:41,090 --> 01:05:42,480
You gotta be smart with it I
guess, haven't you?

1597
01:05:42,490 --> 01:05:44,850
This is where it just takes
really good managers to be able

1598
01:05:44,860 --> 01:05:48,520
to time cost and also cost it
based on how much impact it will

1599
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:50,670
have.
And also just everything else

1600
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:51,860
that already exists in your
school.

1601
01:05:51,870 --> 01:05:53,770
Just every now and then
reevaluate them maybe and be

1602
01:05:53,780 --> 01:05:56,320
like how much impact, how much
this is costing us like 2 hours

1603
01:05:56,330 --> 01:05:58,660
a week on average for staff.
How much impact does this really

1604
01:05:58,670 --> 01:06:00,410
having?
Because this other thing I want

1605
01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:02,580
to bring in is going to have way
more impact.

1606
01:06:02,810 --> 01:06:05,550
OK, let's swap them.
I think it just is just down to

1607
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,200
good management.
There's no there's no easy

1608
01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:08,520
answer.
I don't think it's easy

1609
01:06:08,530 --> 01:06:11,500
sometimes with our podcast when
we sit chatting to be like

1610
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,560
aren't we putting the world to
rights really easily.

1611
01:06:13,650 --> 01:06:16,760
But I I think this is a really
big problem that a lot of really

1612
01:06:16,770 --> 01:06:19,740
good leaders are really good
heads have where they actively

1613
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:21,640
know because you're saying don't
just know it.

1614
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:24,760
Well, there is a problem where
heads know there's a problem but

1615
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:27,230
there is not an easy solution
because the easy solution and I

1616
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,480
said is the only solution is to
do less.

1617
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,060
That's what I always say and
it's easy for me to say that

1618
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:34,860
because me doing this means what
there's less planning.

1619
01:06:34,910 --> 01:06:36,880
We don't have an English lesson
on Friday.

1620
01:06:37,090 --> 01:06:39,360
We don't have a maths.
Everything we're doing already

1621
01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:41,450
feels exactly.
I'm already doing what I need to

1622
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:42,780
do.
That's why I'm doing it, Yeah.

1623
01:06:42,830 --> 01:06:45,160
So I suppose, yeah, I don't.
Know someone online?

1624
01:06:45,170 --> 01:06:48,700
I'll just finish with this.
Again, talking about the whole

1625
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:51,670
question about all this stuff,
talking about workload.

1626
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,110
And he was saying that he worked
in a really bad school in the

1627
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,600
past, really, really bad.
And he's like, you know, mental

1628
01:06:56,610 --> 01:06:59,890
health was terrible.
And then he restarted, refusing

1629
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:01,770
to do all these extra things.
And I'm not doing it anymore.

1630
01:07:01,780 --> 01:07:03,370
He's fed up with it.
I'm not, I'm not doing a club

1631
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:04,760
anymore.
No stuff your club.

1632
01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:06,690
You know, it's one of those
schools where it is voluntary

1633
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,610
and a great side effect, a win,
win situation really for good

1634
01:07:11,620 --> 01:07:13,960
schools is that he was saying
that when he worked in a

1635
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:17,690
positive school, he was actually
really happy to give up his

1636
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:19,820
time.
Into a club because he felt

1637
01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:23,120
trusted and respected and he
wanted to give something back to

1638
01:07:23,130 --> 01:07:25,220
the school because he really
felt valued there.

1639
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:27,340
And isn't that funny?
Like how much of emotional

1640
01:07:27,350 --> 01:07:29,180
reactions we have to stuff.
It's like in the other school,

1641
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:31,240
ironically they got less out of
him, even though they were

1642
01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:34,300
trying to work him harder.
He didn't do the club and now

1643
01:07:34,310 --> 01:07:36,740
he's doing the club.
Why are you a teacher?

1644
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,590
The money.
I'm joking should be the worst

1645
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,920
answer possible.
I'm a teacher, but two reasons.

1646
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:49,380
I absolutely love teaching.
As in I love seeing people learn

1647
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:51,960
things.
I just like helping people, so

1648
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:53,530
do the podcast.
You learn so much.

1649
01:07:53,540 --> 01:07:54,610
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

1650
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:57,450
And the second thing is, I
really like the autonomy.

1651
01:07:57,700 --> 01:08:00,550
I like having a day where every
day is a bit different.

1652
01:08:00,620 --> 01:08:03,760
I don't really know what's gonna
happen other than the lesson

1653
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:04,530
deliver stuff.
But the.

1654
01:08:04,540 --> 01:08:07,570
Children's very different
because I hated.

1655
01:08:07,850 --> 01:08:10,760
A job that I had before where I
was just I I knew my whole week

1656
01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:12,120
already.
I haven't been doing this, but

1657
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:13,650
beans on the.
Showing put beans on shelf, I'm

1658
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:15,510
gonna, you know, scan customs
things.

1659
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,760
I just didn't like that.
And other people loved it, but

1660
01:08:17,770 --> 01:08:19,410
it wasn't for me.
So they're the two things.

1661
01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:24,680
And I'm a teacher because I did
a week when I graduated.

1662
01:08:24,689 --> 01:08:27,560
When I didn't know what I wanted
to do, I did a week in London,

1663
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:29,740
in a recruitment firm, in an
office.

1664
01:08:31,270 --> 01:08:32,640
I did a week.
I probably told you, probably

1665
01:08:32,649 --> 01:08:35,140
forgot I did a week.
Well, I said I did a week.

1666
01:08:35,149 --> 01:08:37,359
I was lined up to do a week.
Did a week, four times, mate.

1667
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:39,939
I've got a week.
I've had a baby, right.

1668
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:43,460
I got to Tuesday lunchtime.
Yeah.

1669
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:45,399
And I walked into the guy who
owned it, nice guy.

1670
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:47,370
And I was just like, Nah, it's
not for me.

1671
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:50,740
Because all we had to do all day
was pick up the phone, cold call

1672
01:08:50,750 --> 01:08:53,569
people with jobs, right.
You were trying to sell jobs.

1673
01:08:53,580 --> 01:08:55,340
You were head hunter.
You're trying to sell jobs in

1674
01:08:55,350 --> 01:08:56,950
it.
I knew nothing about it.

1675
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,060
So I'm trying to go, yeah, it's
a it's a C job, Yeah.

1676
01:09:01,069 --> 01:09:03,279
Just rest of the day, OK?
I don't know what I'm talking

1677
01:09:03,290 --> 01:09:03,950
about.
Yeah, that's.

1678
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,130
No, that's a coding language.
JavaScript and Orange Peel,

1679
01:09:07,540 --> 01:09:09,689
whatever.
So I'm trying to sell it jobs,

1680
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:11,810
cold calling people.
Yeah, because I get a Commission

1681
01:09:11,819 --> 01:09:13,450
every time we play someone a
job.

1682
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:15,810
And the base Saturday was
rubbish and you just basically

1683
01:09:15,819 --> 01:09:18,130
all day.
Phone, phone, phone, proper,

1684
01:09:18,140 --> 01:09:20,390
like city, like job with eight
other people around you on the

1685
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:24,580
phone I said not conduit.
And teaching was always this job

1686
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:27,660
where I thought, OK, not only
can I have an impact, I feel

1687
01:09:27,670 --> 01:09:31,170
like I have an impact because
it's in my control to make, you

1688
01:09:31,180 --> 01:09:32,899
know, I can teach children to
read.

1689
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:36,680
How good is that?
You can help someone learn to

1690
01:09:36,689 --> 01:09:38,979
read, but that's unreal when you
think about it.

1691
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:43,609
I can help someone to enjoy
maths but that's so powerful to

1692
01:09:43,620 --> 01:09:45,870
me to be able to be in a
position where I'm like, OK,

1693
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,010
you're gonna start with me and
you don't like maths and after a

1694
01:09:49,020 --> 01:09:51,880
year you're going to love doing
maths and you are going to be

1695
01:09:51,890 --> 01:09:54,170
better doing maths and you're
gonna have an outlook in the

1696
01:09:54,180 --> 01:09:55,840
future where you think you can
do maths.

1697
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:58,760
Friend again?
Friends back, maybe.

1698
01:09:58,950 --> 01:10:03,660
Friends back, but that.
But that is why, and I fear, and

1699
01:10:03,670 --> 01:10:06,060
I've said this before when we
talked about why we're striking,

1700
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:08,200
you're absolutely right.
Because everything that's being

1701
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:10,860
eroded in a profession is
everything that makes it good.

1702
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:13,030
It's the autonomy, it's the
trust.

1703
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,710
You're professional.
You're going to get on with your

1704
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,500
job and do the things that are
important to you.

1705
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,580
You're being ground down.
You're not going to go the extra

1706
01:10:18,590 --> 01:10:21,080
mile.
I will be really honest right

1707
01:10:21,090 --> 01:10:24,160
now.
I don't go anywhere near as far

1708
01:10:24,170 --> 01:10:28,470
in this job as I did when I was
123 years experience, nowhere

1709
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,460
near as far.
And I put that down to two

1710
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:32,580
things.
One was the environment that I

1711
01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:37,020
worked in for a few years.
And two is that it's the chronic

1712
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:38,640
underfunding from the
government.

1713
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:41,960
And I don't just mean my pay, I
mean the underfunding of the

1714
01:10:42,030 --> 01:10:44,180
entire thing.
I mean if you worked in a

1715
01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:46,770
private company and they
squeezed funding as much as it's

1716
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:49,360
been squeezed in education, you
would feel it around.

1717
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:51,820
You want to get that across to
people As to why we're striking.

1718
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:54,620
If you're if you are suddenly
squeezed so much where there

1719
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:57,310
were layoffs and you didn't have
the right thing to do and now

1720
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,640
you're doing 3 jobs instead of 1
because they got rid of some

1721
01:10:59,650 --> 01:11:02,260
people and actually the roofs
leaking but they can't fix it

1722
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:04,740
cause they've got you would
notice that it would affect your

1723
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:06,320
life and that's what's happening
in teaching.

1724
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:09,970
And not only is it then just I'm
not being horrible to people who

1725
01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:12,820
work in office jobs but that's
affecting your office job where

1726
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:15,920
the world will go on Virgin
Media can't ring someone in a

1727
01:11:15,930 --> 01:11:17,510
day.
This is affecting, like the

1728
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,740
livelihoods of children, the
next generation, the next

1729
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:21,610
generation leaders.
Point.

1730
01:11:21,670 --> 01:11:26,000
So it's really it's heartening
and I'm, I'm just worried that

1731
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:29,390
all of this mixed in with the, I
think the control we have from

1732
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:31,550
what we've talked about
management and external factors

1733
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,940
in the school with what's
happened with the government

1734
01:11:33,950 --> 01:11:37,270
over the last 13 years, I just,
I'm really worried.

1735
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,610
Yeah, I agree.
Bye.

1736
01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:42,550
That's my contribution.
No, no, no, I do.

1737
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,290
I I was, yeah, very interested
in what you saying.

1738
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:45,410
But I do.
I fully agree.

1739
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:47,650
And I think it would be really
nice to hear from you guys

1740
01:11:47,820 --> 01:11:50,130
because almost definitely.
Like, we finished our last

1741
01:11:50,140 --> 01:11:51,990
episode and we thought we didn't
mention this one thing.

1742
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,240
That's probably a few things
we've not really mentioned that

1743
01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:56,530
you might have been thinking and
screaming at the screen or

1744
01:11:56,540 --> 01:11:59,230
whatever through this episode.
Please write to us.

1745
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,070
We'd love to hear what What is
it that's made your experiences

1746
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,850
good or bad, in schools?
And if you don't work in a

1747
01:12:04,860 --> 01:12:06,600
school, are we being a bit
dramatic?

1748
01:12:06,610 --> 01:12:07,820
Is this just the same
everywhere?

1749
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:08,480
Yeah.
We see.

1750
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:09,990
I've been listening to Adam
Kay's book.

1751
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,660
This is going to hurt an ex
Doctor Who's like a TV comedian

1752
01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:14,420
writer.
Sorry, I can't meditate and hate

1753
01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:16,860
it when I met with the
microphone who's been who wrote

1754
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:21,080
a memoir a few years ago.
And it is horrendous being a

1755
01:12:21,090 --> 01:12:23,460
doctor.
Like the workload and say is, is

1756
01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:25,050
it's five times worse than being
a teacher.

1757
01:12:25,230 --> 01:12:28,360
So all this, you know, these 37
episodes we've had times that by

1758
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:29,480
five.
And the doctor.

1759
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:30,890
Oh, no, sorry, the Doctor can't
do a podcast.

1760
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:32,400
He's working 24 hour shifts.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

1761
01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:34,420
So like, you know.
Something into perspective

1762
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:35,130
sometimes.
Good.

1763
01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:36,690
Yeah, for sure, but.
How can I get to us?

1764
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:37,830
How can they write to us?
Dylan?

1765
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:39,830
Find us on Instagram.
Always the best place.

1766
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,690
Teach.
Seek repeat podcast, guys.

1767
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:46,920
I asked for guys, I asked for
some Q&A's recently and we've

1768
01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:48,860
got them all.
We didn't have time today, but

1769
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:50,480
I'm banking them and we'll be
using them.

1770
01:12:50,490 --> 01:12:53,730
So every time I ask for a Q&A
and I don't ask it, don't think

1771
01:12:53,740 --> 01:12:55,260
there's no point.
There is because they're going

1772
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:57,920
in a bank.
OK, so keep asking us questions

1773
01:12:57,930 --> 01:13:00,500
and send us some lovely stories.
When we eventually get time to

1774
01:13:00,510 --> 01:13:02,140
stop moaning, we will go through
them.

1775
01:13:02,150 --> 01:13:04,830
And also enjoy the memes.
Dylan's being creative, making

1776
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:05,960
me talk about them.
Next week.

1777
01:13:05,970 --> 01:13:08,600
Go on, go to our Instagram and
like my memes, please.

1778
01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:09,640
I enjoy them.
Good.

1779
01:13:09,650 --> 01:13:10,680
Well, I hope you enjoy the
episode.

1780
01:13:10,750 --> 01:13:12,080
Thanks for joining us.
See you next time.