Oct. 26, 2023

Ep 35: Our Ofsted Experience

Show Notes
Transcript

Every single teacher in the country knows the impact of *that call*. We reflect on our recent Ofsted inspection in detail & give valuable insight to the procedure and what we experienced as maths leads involved in a maths deep dive. Whether you work in a school who are due an inspection or just want to know what the process involves, this is a must listen episode! If you have any questions about the process and want to know more, get in touch! Teachsleeprepeatpod@gmail.com @teachsleeprepeatpodcast on Instagram and Threads.

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
the episode of Teachers Step

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Repeat.
My name is.

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Dylan and my name is Hayden and
I'm getting quicker and quicker.

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Yeah, I was gonna say you kind
of mumbled that, that it was

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like, hey, you repeat imaging
people loudest or to like,

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what's that?
Ohh, it's been a long week.

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Imagine, Yeah, alright mate.
He's having one of those

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migraines I had.
Imagine if people do listen to

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it on times two.
Hmm, I'm already going at times.

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Two times.
Four.

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Ohh.
Anyway, got some really good

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feedback from last time.
Yeah, probably the most amount

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of messages I've ever received
about people laughing at how

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funny it was.
Yeah, including us.

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Yeah, we messaged ourselves,
yeah.

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I was told that the episode was
unhinged.

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Unhinged.
I get using that word, and when

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I described it, it was
completely unhinged.

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I think we just we just lost the
plot.

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I don't know what it was.
If you haven't checked out last

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episode, please do go and check
it out and let us know if you

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like it or not, because it was a
little bit different to normal.

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We weren't as serious.
Well, there wasn't really a

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serious Wait, sorry, when was
the last episode?

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No serious.
We usually have like one bit

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that's, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
just, we just lost the plot

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because I don't know if you
know, but Dylan's just moved

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house.
Ohh sorry.

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And he said that as well.
I think, yeah, it was just like

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I had a lot of people messaging
me saying who'd have kids,

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saying it took them back to that
time of newborn.

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And they were just like, yeah,
it is just like, unlike anything

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you've ever experienced.
And I was like, yeah, because I

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wasn't.
I don't think I was like,

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conscious in that last episode.
I think I was just still

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classed.
As well, give it four weeks and

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we'll have another episode
exactly the same where I am in

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that position.
I am looking forward to that.

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But I'm also thinking, I don't
know how this, like, equilibrium

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is going to work when we both
have essentially what's gonna

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happen with our like
organisation.

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Because you've been really good.
You've brought us food you like,

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you know that, done bits for us
that just keep us sane, and then

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suddenly you're be there.
Yeah, and you won't be doing

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that.
I know it's good.

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You're being a conversation over
there.

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Like, I don't know how we're
going to be as helpful.

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We're we're fully, fully not
expecting.

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Good, because that's good for
you.

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But I feel.
I feel a bit more human this

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week.
Yeah, I feel a bit more with.

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It you look a bit more human.
You had a haircut.

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I've had a haircut.
That's one of the things we talk

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about.
My week.

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I literally managed to get a
haircut.

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It's in fact looking at your
notes.

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You know, I noticed there it's
the only thing that's not to do

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with your child.
So I don't know if This is why

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it's gonna be like, every
episode now, we're usually recap

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on our week.
Rory Ohh, Rory.

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Oh, that's about all that one
about your child as well.

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Well, when you're within two
week old, it's all you.

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Do is up, then literally back to
work next.

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Week.
Ohh.

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I spoke to just quickly.
Ohh.

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Slight tangent, but maternity
now.

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Ohh.
Yeah, we don't do that.

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Yeah, we had the midwife round
yesterday.

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Yeah.
Community midwife.

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And she was utterly shocked at
what teaching maternity leave is

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like.
Oh yeah, like genuinely she

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couldn't.
But she didn't believe she was

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like, oh you must get it wrong.
Isn't no two weeks full pay for

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women and then 90% for four
weeks.

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And we explained that going to
cost to 50% pretty quickly and

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then nothing.
She was like, what I said, what

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was it like for you then?
She was like, well thinking.

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Ohh.
It's another job that's very,

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like populated by women.
I think that's probably equally

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rubbish because that's why
teaching so bad.

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Yeah.
No, six months full pay, Yeah,

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mentally.
And then and then it goes to 50%

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for a bit or something like
crazy, crazy.

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How is it not consistent
underneath government

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departments?
I know it's public service job.

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Yeah.
It's like for some reason you're

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not worth that.
Yeah.

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I'm sorry.
Yeah, mad.

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But the police have a year,
yeah.

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We're on the same pay scale.
Anyway.

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I'll go.
Haircut.

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Yeah, so that was good.
I went the guy I got my haircut

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from, his brother works there as
well.

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He just had a kid.
Ohh.

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And it's about babies as well.
Sorry, I thought this was the

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one thing that carry on, you'll
know soon you'll.

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Know.
OK, I'm not there.

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And yeah, he had a kid and we
were chatting and we just had

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this like you know, proper 5
minute frank chat about how hard

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it is basically.
He was just like he was really

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relieved he went, ohh, I'm
relieved you've said that.

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Yeah, because he kind of said
the same thing around people.

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That it was tough, like was
basically like negative

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basically, and everyone might
turn their nose up at him.

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Apparently the most magical
thing in the world.

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It's like, yes, it can be
amazing whilst simultaneous

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being really tricky.
Yeah, I'm not gonna go over what

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I said again last week, but
like, it's not easy.

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It's not an objectively nice
thing to be doing to get up

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every 2 1/2 hours and changing
poo off a piece of fabric.

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That's not really what I want to
do.

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With my time, is it?
Yeah, like it.

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It's a lovely and I love cuddles
and stuff and he'll grow up

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into, you know, our child, which
is.

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Amazing.
Our child give it a couple of

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years with no.
But yeah, it's not nice.

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Like, it's not how you would
choose to spend your time.

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Yeah, like we were trying to
watch a TV show.

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A TV series, right.
So on Netflix, there's a TV

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series called Bodies.
It's just like this Detective

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Ohh Yeah, but it's like across
Time Zone.

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It's really cool.
We've watched two episodes now

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and we've been trying to watch
it for about 10 days.

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So that sums up my point.
Is that the Times?

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Not that's the issue we're
watching in four different time

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zones.
By the time he goes to school,

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would have finished this.
But I hate, I don't know about

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you.
What's your opinion on watching

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shows?
Because I hate not watching an

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entire episode.
I mean, you mentioned this.

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I.
Think I'm sure we've had this

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conversation.
I am weird ohh.

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I don't mind.
I obviously, I would prefer to

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watch a whole episode because
generally they're constructed in

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a way that they they leave the
big thing.

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They are literally.
But quite often, I think it's

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become so ingrained that you
have to have a cliffhanger at

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the end that's so ridiculously,
like, unfulfilling that you kind

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of have to watch the 10 minutes
that the next episode to find

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out the actual ending to what
you were hoping that episode was

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going to be.
So quite often we'll we'll be

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like ohh.
Well, we've got 20 minutes.

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Let's just watch the next, see
what happens, and then we'll

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pause it.
We'll pause it when the new

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scene starts.
You're just basically

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reimagining the whole structure
of the.

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Show.
Yeah, because it's got so

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ridiculous.
You'll enjoy having a child and

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being able to watch it in 5
minutes Snippets, right?

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Yeah, because yeah, we're trying
to watch this show and we

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managed to watch two episodes in
literally about a week and a

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half.
Because every single time we try

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to watch it, it's like he knows,
he's like, ohh, I'm so peaceful

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and he hears a TV going because
I'm not looking at.

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Him.
The old pig, they're getting

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back at the head.
So that's that's tricky.

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And apart from that, look at my
notes.

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Yeah, Rory, Rory, Rory.
Yeah.

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Anything else you want to talk
about, Rory, but well, this is

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one thing.
There's Rory.

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Sorry, Rory's my Ohh two things,
right?

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That's all I want to say about
him.

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And one, he's a boy.
Yeah.

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Two.
Every every time.

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Every time we change him.
Hmm.

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He had a fountain a week like
that.

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Honestly.
To the point where I'm actually

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impressed.
And I kind of want to get in

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touch with general Records
because the height he gets on

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his way when he weaves, I swear
to God, it's impressive.

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Yeah, it's like over a metre.
Has he got has he got you

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covered in what you presume?
Yeah.

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Ohh.
Yeah.

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Completely got everything
covered in me, right.

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Like the other day.
So what you do is when you're

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changing them right, you get
them undressed and you get the

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button.
He keeps his top on here, so

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just lift up the bottom.
So I wouldn't know.

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Yeah, did it.
Didn't happy.

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And before you did an apple you
get a cold wet wipe, you just go

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across his tummy and the idea is
that it's meant to stimulate him

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to wee.
So if you do that, he'll then

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wee and then when you change him
he's got no where.

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Does that work?
Yeah, most for the most time.

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Apart from the odd occasion
where you don't do it, and every

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single time you don't do it, he
wears on.

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You.
So the advice is actually don't

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do that, then no.
Do it.

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Well, it doesn't work.
I'm saying every time I don't.

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Do it, He wees, Yeah.
So every time you don't do the

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white that's supposed to
simulate him wearing, he wees,

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Yeah.
So the white one is not doing

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much when I change him.
I see what you mean, right?

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OK, what?
Who's unhinged now?

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So you do it and you're we and
then you change.

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His name, right.
So you don't do it.

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You change him, You gets a bit
cold.

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He pisses everywhere.
You're right.

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OK, so just go, like literally
covers you, gushes you.

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Other day you did it.
It's just changing.

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He cries every time you change
it, alright?

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And I took off his nappy, yeah.
And he weed up himself onto the

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mat right on his on his side
here.

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So he's like, he's like that in
a puddle of wee.

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And I moved his head and it's
all wet here.

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Yeah, he's just got a wee all
over him and I was just like

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straight.
Up.

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Yeah, Do you write?
Are you supposed to rub their

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noses?
That advice?

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Ohh no, it's dogs.
The dogs.

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Also, he absolutely stinks at
the minute.

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Like, absolutely stinks.
Where I'm like, has he pooed?

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Like I think he's pooed.
I checked.

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Nothing there.
Just fighting.

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Constantly, constantly fighting.
Farting.

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Disgusting, horrible.
So I got my.

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I got my own back now.
Ohh yeah, yeah.

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So every time I feed him I let
one out.

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Right?
Disgusting.

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I might actually answer.
Yeah, smell that, mate, Because

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I get the whole of you and
you're pooey nappy and pooey

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bum.
So I hold it in until I feed.

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Him.
It's like it's like a human

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centipede, but just changing
numbers.

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I'm changing.
I'm changing his nappies.

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Has become.
I don't know what this podcast

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has become.
Sorry, you probably started this

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thinking educational.
Yeah, they talk about serious

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topics every now and then.
God, that's what love, I think

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my mum went away.
Sorry, it's nothing to do Rory.

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My mum went away really quickly.
Get Your Week.

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My mum went away this week and
was with like she's she works

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with Mencap which is a charity
right with adults with learning

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learning needs and stuff like
that, supporting them in the

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community.
And she's currently working with

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the University of Kent like
professors and stuff and it's

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something to do with like work
experience for the people or

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something like that but with
these academic people.

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And she went to a meeting in
Birmingham right with her and

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some people from charity and
lots of professors and stuff

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from like obviously social care
and all that kind of thing.

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And she just happened to mention
the podcast because she just

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listened to my podcast last week
about the ohh I'm a bit I guess.

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So I've just become a Nan for
the first time and listening to

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my son's podcast, right?
And apparently all these, like,

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you know, highbrow educators.
Like ohh what's the what's it

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about And I'm like ohh primary
education like ohh let do let me

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know what it is.
Ohh yeah, imagine what it's like

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educators.
But ohh, that's all the pedagogy

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and the learning.
And the most recent episode?

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Click Human Centipede for
nappies.

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So if you're listening, Doctor
Hiya.

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Welcome, welcome.
How was your week I?

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Did well.
I don't want to talk about what

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I've got now cuz I need to be
more eyebrows.

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Gonna talk about my ear canals.
You know what?

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Has anyone ever used right and
get out the packet?

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Has anyone ever use an ear
candle?

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Not doing it live.
Boy, no, I'm just.

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I can't do these things where
you fire.

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It.
Yeah, fire it where you where

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you fire, where to put the fire,
Yeah.

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So it looks like this.
OK, remember, some people do not

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watch.
The podcast.

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If you're not watching then you
missing out.

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So describe it.
OK, describe it.

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It looks like it looks like a
McDonald's straw that's been in

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the.
Describe.

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Looks like a, yeah, big, big
soft straw.

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And you put it in your ear, so
it's all on your side, in your

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ear.
And then you light the top and

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it takes about 10 minutes and it
burns, right?

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And the idea is it creates a
vacuum and it's so good.

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I mean, if you're one of those
people.

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But the idea of, like my ears
being clean is just is divine to

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me.
I've never really thought about

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it.
It's just like the idea of then

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nothing, nothing in there.
I mean a lot of people are the

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same, like you just want to get
it all out.

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And yeah, they're safe.
They're safe.

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So you put it in your ear.
You said you set your ear

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online.
Fine.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I I feel bad saying the

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next sentence after saying it's
safe.

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Yeah, it's safe.
You put them in your and you set

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it on fire and then you lay
there for 10 minutes and it does

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it cause paper doesn't go
towards your ear.

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Yeah, but really slowly.
Really slowly.

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And get to the red line.
That's me.

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Take it off.
How can you see that?

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What's in your?
Ear.

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You need someone else, or by or
buy a mirror.

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You just be near a mirror.
How can you see?

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They paid draws all the backs
out and I tell you, where does

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it go?
Just in this in but it's being

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burnt.
No, but like, it just sucks it

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up and then but it all kind of
goes to there.

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Well, after the first night,
yeah.

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OK.
So and honestly, sorry about

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this, it's unreal.
It is.

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You should do it, because this
is amazing experience.

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OK, if I do it, we'll make it
into a real.

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OK, we're gonna do it.
You can use.

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So that was the first thing this
week.

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Unbelievable.
Like I can hear better now.

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Never, ever known about me
talking about my son again.

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If that's what you can't do.
Candles.

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What else have I got here
looking at?

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My name's Roy.
Roy.

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Roy just got past the rorys.
Ah, so we had parents evening.

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Obviously you don't know because
you got out of it.

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Mr Paternity out of it.
I had a child.

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You had your own parents
evening.

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I sat with him.
He could do better on the poo

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front.
The smell quite a bit.

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Stop weighing on your face.
Yeah, that'll be a good one.

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Next step.
But good.

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Good effort, but just a quick
thing, really, really nice for

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both of us I guess.
Obviously I teach year six and

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we had a lot of parents saying
that they really enjoy our

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YouTube videos, that their last
year when their kid was like

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preparing for the 11 plus and
things like that, they were

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watching our YouTube videos and
yeah, it was just really nice.

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I felt famous because three
parents, Three parents.

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You felt famous.
Yeah, because people in whose

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children are in your class know
who you are.

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Yeah, OK.
Yeah, that was nice.

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Parents evening was very
positive.

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Yeah.
Long.

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Yeah.
As always.

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Always long.
It's a long good this

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conversation threads.
What's your overall thoughts on

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parents evening?
Is it towards the positive or

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the negative?
Yeah, yeah.

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I very rarely have a.
There's always this one.

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There's always no, I don't, I
don't.

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I don't even mean are the
parents positive.

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I mean, do you think it's an
objectively good thing for us

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to?
Be doing Ohh 100% because it

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needs to be done with marking
and time.

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I'm like that's almost never
useful.

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Yeah, but your parents evening
on.

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It's a slog, but I think it's
really.

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Good, yeah, if it was that.
If it was a choice between do

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this six hours like 2 * a year.
Or we don't do that.

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But you just constantly need to
catch up with the parents after

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school all the time, like
informally.

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Or they can just make a meeting
with you whenever.

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I think I'd hate that.
Yeah, cause that would become so

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just unmanageable and big thing
in schools, isn't it?

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Like, you know, parent calls a
meeting and you just do it.

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Yeah, you could just get a
parent and calls a meeting every

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two.
Weeks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I tell you what, I was gonna do

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this later, but can I can I do a
roll you up thing?

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Because you didn't beat or we
doing it right.

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No, we're doing it right now.
OK, I'm changing the format of

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Ohh, My gosh.
It's not like I like things in

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order and knowing.
Exactly.

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I know I can see you tweaking
out, so I was gonna do this at

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the end, but it just relates to
this conversation, so I'm gonna

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do it right now.
It's called riling up Dylan.

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Let's Ryan up Dylan.
I forgotten the Jingle.

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How does it go?
Give me a Pringle.

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He is.
He has lost it.

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So someone wrote this.
I'd screenshot it cause I

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thought, ohh that will make
Dylan mad about that's what goes

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through.
Your head?

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Yeah, I do.
I literally read Ohh, that's

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such a good one.
So this is what it says they

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put.
I literally can't do this

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anymore apparently.
As I did on that point, replies

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going well don't then thinks
he's probably the answer to

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that.
Yeah, stop it then.

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We all need to band together.
And telling the school no, I'm

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not doing it.
That's his answer.

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That's because it might well be.
So I literally can't do this

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anymore.
Ohh Apparent emailed me asking

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for my lessons and resources up
front so that he could decide if

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he wanted his child to
participate.

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What?
No in what?

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I don't know.
It just says lessons.

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It's gotta be something.
I don't know.

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Genuinely, I think it's
everything.

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This must be like PSHE or
something.

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I don't know.
I get the impression all of it.

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He was referring to me.
Oh, here we are.

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He was referring to me reading
books and having conversations

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that are all inclusive and talk
about differences that exist in

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our class and everyday life.
So classic parent who's scared

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of someone saying that people
are.

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Different.
Yeah.

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OK, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't.

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I don't want my child to believe
in differences.

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I'm sorry, but OK And we're
gonna come in right now because

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this, like, when someone's like,
I don't want my child to be

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exposed to different things.
Like, I I do actually think

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there is a point to have when
teachers preach stuff to kids.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And like for example, I'm quite
political myself.

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Hmm.
I have views on religion example

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for myself, but I really
passionately believed that as a

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teacher, my job is to teach
children facts and say this is

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what people believe, this is
what other people believe, this

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is what other people believe.
Here's how they show that

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through their practise and what
they do.

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And when it comes to inclusivity
and stuff, there's nothing wrong

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with saying these are people who
exist.

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Yeah, yeah, like you.
You don't.

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It's different to saying this is
how you should live your life,

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kids ignore your parents.
You should lead this life.

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No.
Yeah, simply just saying that

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these people exist in your
society and it's good to know.

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That, and that's again, slightly
different as well to the other

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argument we've had before about
books, which is these are people

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that exist and we don't like
them or we're going to say

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negative things about these
people.

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Like the whole David William
stuff that we talked about.

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Roald Dahl, all that in the
past.

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It's like, that's a bit
different.

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Yeah.
But then people take it as if

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it's not negative.
Well, then it's celebrating it

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and it's pushing it.
Yeah, I'm sorry.

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These people just exist in
society and we're gonna read a

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book which involves them.
Umm, and yeah, that's that.

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Sorry.
Sorry that it doesn't say that.

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The horrible.
People and you know what happens

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normally when we're not aware of
people that don't exist we we

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tend to as humanity be really
really horrible to them and

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cruel.
So anyway back to this.

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So it's clearly about that and
and this teacher said I asked my

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admin for support in replying.
Like this every single week, of

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course.
Obviously you can't provide your

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planning.
You don't even need to provide

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your planning to your school,
yeah.

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Ohh, it's unsustainable.
This is what they drafted for me

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to reply with, which goes
against my boundaries because

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when I leave the building for
the day or weekend, I have

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communicated to families that I
do not respond to emails in

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order to have a healthy work
life balance.

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Very good.
Good for this person, right?

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And those boundaries, now I
haven't.

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Got the screenshots.
I've got the emails open, but

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essentially the e-mail that was
drafted by her manager to send

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to this parent was like really
nice at the start.

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It was very much like, ohh,
thank you so much for taking

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interest.
Bloody blah.

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What's wrong with that?
It was fine.

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It was, you know, worldwide.
Been very careful clearly of how

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they worded it to this parent
and then it says.

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The teacher will try her best to
send you a list of the topics

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that we will be covering on a
Sunday Ohh specifically.

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Says on Sunday, On Sunday, once
the planning done, they'll

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they'll e-mail you the staff so
that you can from that

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conversation, yeah.
Yeah, whoever her manager is.

456
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:17,280
I don't know, that's like or
whatever.

457
00:18:17,290 --> 00:18:19,630
Yeah, but someone who's supposed
to be looking after you just

458
00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,160
think.
What?

459
00:18:21,170 --> 00:18:25,000
Yeah, that's crazy.
Like, firstly, like this, it's

460
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:27,310
it's in its own right.
You could have a discussion

461
00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,820
whether it's right or wrong to
dictate that your staff send

462
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:31,280
planning home to parents every
week.

463
00:18:31,290 --> 00:18:33,740
Hmm, that's a really weird
standard to live by and not

464
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:35,960
something that we should
remotely be promoting.

465
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:38,620
I I always think maybe I'm wrong
here.

466
00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:41,300
Maybe someone in HR can write
into Word or Admin can tell us.

467
00:18:41,550 --> 00:18:44,770
I feel like HR and Admin's job
is first and foremost to be

468
00:18:44,780 --> 00:18:47,480
protecting your colleagues, to
be protecting the people who

469
00:18:47,490 --> 00:18:50,100
work in your establishment.
It sounds here like we're

470
00:18:50,110 --> 00:18:52,400
protecting the parents or
protecting me.

471
00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:53,820
Image of the school.
Yeah.

472
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:56,160
It's like you need to have
certain things you do, certain

473
00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:59,620
lines you do not cross, and
that's not dictating work

474
00:18:59,670 --> 00:19:02,760
unreasonably beyond what even
the school asked for.

475
00:19:02,770 --> 00:19:04,320
I tell you what it's.
Hard though, and I've always,

476
00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:06,670
always struggled with this, is
having a bit of a backbone when

477
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,720
it comes to talking to parents.
Definitely it's hard because I I

478
00:19:09,730 --> 00:19:11,720
really feel the pressure of a
parent wants something, I don't

479
00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:13,070
let them down.
That's like the worst possible

480
00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,020
thing you could do, have an
argument with someone at work

481
00:19:15,030 --> 00:19:17,380
about like a colleague about
something, just because I think

482
00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:18,530
we have that professional
discourse.

483
00:19:18,540 --> 00:19:21,440
But when it comes to parent,
yeah, the idea of upsetting them

484
00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:22,870
or saying something.
You wanna hear?

485
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,710
It does make me feel horrible.
Yeah, well, I get that pressure.

486
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,390
Yeah.
No, it's a tough one because

487
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,720
like you said, it's easier to
bow sometimes, isn't it?

488
00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:32,160
It's easier just to be like, OK,
we're.

489
00:19:32,170 --> 00:19:34,290
Doing anyway.
OK, they can just send it

490
00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:36,800
somewhere, but you can't tell
someone to send it on a Sunday,

491
00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:38,570
no?
No, Like, I don't understand

492
00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:40,630
what these people go.
I really want to get one on the

493
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:41,760
podcast.
We've got guests coming up by

494
00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:43,580
the way.
Side note coming up on the

495
00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:46,490
podcast again, restarting now
back on our feet for a couple of

496
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:49,010
weeks until you're off your feet
and we'll have some guests. 2

497
00:19:49,020 --> 00:19:50,710
guests.
Booked in, two guests, booked in

498
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,760
and more that I know absolutely
want to come on and I would love

499
00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:57,360
to have them on.
But yeah, I mean, yeah, you have

500
00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:59,520
Rob up a bit.
It's the same old, same old, but

501
00:19:59,530 --> 00:20:04,340
I want to get on a HR manager or
a CEO of a mat or I really,

502
00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:07,480
really, really want to get them
on and just talk to them.

503
00:20:07,550 --> 00:20:10,420
I want to get into the head
because I'm sure there are so

504
00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:13,580
many leaders who have the
absolute best of intentions.

505
00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:15,280
We literally work with some.
Yeah, exactly.

506
00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:19,060
But I mean, even the ones who
seem to have these kind of

507
00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:22,500
reputations of a bit much
million people too hard.

508
00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:24,600
Militant.
I want to pick their brains,

509
00:20:24,610 --> 00:20:27,060
yeah, because I'm sure they have
an amazing rationale.

510
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:30,180
But when like I don't understand
how you can be in charge of a

511
00:20:30,190 --> 00:20:33,600
school.
Where firstly, you can't read

512
00:20:33,610 --> 00:20:36,920
the room that everyone is
absolutely on their last legs

513
00:20:36,930 --> 00:20:38,820
hating it.
Because I've heard of many

514
00:20:38,830 --> 00:20:43,960
schools like that where the
teachers absolutely hate it and

515
00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,110
imagine, I can't imagine being
in charge of that, not being

516
00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,710
able to see it and being like,
oh, we should do something about

517
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:49,440
it.
That's what good.

518
00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:51,790
I think they know it though.
Like just thinking.

519
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,120
Back I want to pick their
brains.

520
00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:55,240
Think about one of my
experiences in a previous

521
00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:57,070
school.
I think that's exactly what it

522
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,240
was like.
I think they knew that if they

523
00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:02,150
just got NQT Asian and got rid
of, got rid of the staff that

524
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,060
were moaning and wanted genuine
change for good reasons, they

525
00:21:05,070 --> 00:21:07,040
can get in anxieties, they're
cheaper and they're malleable

526
00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:08,680
and they'll just do what they
want for a couple of years and

527
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:09,730
then they need to get rid of
them.

528
00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:11,110
You're.
An M4 Bye.

529
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:13,370
I think that's.
I think that's a conscious

530
00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:13,940
effort.
Yeah.

531
00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:15,410
Yeah.
I don't maybe not for everyone.

532
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:17,790
I just think for some people I
get to that position, they think

533
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,470
this is the best course of
action that will get the best

534
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,530
outcomes for these kids at the
sacrifice of these adults.

535
00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:27,160
So I just think people make that
decision would be interesting.

536
00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:29,810
I wanna just talk to them
because I don't know, I can't

537
00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:31,930
see anything more important than
well-being of your staff

538
00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:34,690
because.
Is first, how do you get good

539
00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:36,790
lessons to children?
You staff are on it.

540
00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:38,350
Hmm.
You staff are feeling good?

541
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,050
Yeah.
That is the first port of call

542
00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:41,690
to me.
I've always, always said to have

543
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:43,030
life.
I've ever lead a school and

544
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,280
we've got this imaginary school
that we sometimes come to.

545
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,590
I would absolutely go in with
the approach of staff first.

546
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,450
Yeah.
And probably people be like, oh,

547
00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:54,380
no, kids first, no start first
because I guarantee that that

548
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:56,050
will have better outcomes on the
kids.

549
00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:58,640
If you, if you treat your staff
like royalty, like they are the

550
00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,080
most important people there,
that's great.

551
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,370
But that's what I think.
That's just my.

552
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:05,660
Don't be surprised if you don't
see that as a real thing.

553
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:11,420
Just edit it so it's like, I
don't think kids are good.

554
00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:13,760
I think I want the staff to be
better.

555
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:18,710
OK, yeah, but hopefully you
understand what I mean.

556
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,580
One minute.
I didn't say that.

557
00:22:22,590 --> 00:22:27,860
And now Ohh man, people lose
their careers, You know, deep

558
00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:29,540
fakes.
Because we're so big people.

559
00:22:29,550 --> 00:22:31,360
Deep fake.
But you just said it.

560
00:22:32,770 --> 00:22:36,690
You just said it.
Yeah, because we we've actually

561
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:39,740
not remotely touched upon what
this episode is called.

562
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:41,420
No, because I'm excited for
this.

563
00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:43,080
Yeah, let's talk about deep
dives, baby.

564
00:22:43,090 --> 00:22:48,470
Let's do it.
So yesterday I was supposed to

565
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,280
go and see.
In fact, we were supposed to go

566
00:22:50,290 --> 00:22:54,190
and see Mr P He's tall and we're
invited, which we were really

567
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,610
excited to go on.
Obviously you couldn't make it.

568
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,550
I.
Really wanted to but I can't

569
00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,750
leave.
You got baby.

570
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,590
He's got a baby.
And I had full intentions of

571
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,970
going.
In fact me and Lauren were gonna

572
00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:06,840
go and we got to the train
station yesterday and was like,

573
00:23:06,850 --> 00:23:09,170
ohh trains been cancelled.
So right another one in 18

574
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:12,620
minutes.
Waited 18 minutes, It's been

575
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:14,810
cancelled.
Waited like another 20 minutes.

576
00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:17,140
Was it strikes?
I don't really know.

577
00:23:17,150 --> 00:23:18,470
I don't think it was.
I didn't hear it.

578
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,120
So when when I was on the
platform we're waiting for the

579
00:23:21,130 --> 00:23:23,680
third train, we looked sort of
look to the left and noticed

580
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:26,490
there was a train on on the line
and and I was thinking the whole

581
00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,850
time like trains not gonna come
if that's there though is it

582
00:23:29,860 --> 00:23:32,890
Because that is literally on the
line the only one the the the

583
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:36,470
the train track that we need to
use thinking I don't know what

584
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,010
the plan is here and sort of
spoke to the guy and he was

585
00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:41,250
literally getting live updates
at the time and he was and there

586
00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:44,070
was basically saying yeah we're
going to cancel all the trains

587
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,690
to London because we can't get
any drivers to come and move

588
00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:50,070
that train.
Ohh, because there's loads of

589
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,360
things.
There's loads of like emergency

590
00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:52,720
maintenance happening in
Faversham.

591
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:55,800
I don't really know the full
details, but in the end we're

592
00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:58,000
there for like 45 minutes, an
hour and was like, yeah, so The

593
00:23:58,010 --> 00:24:00,630
upshot is never was.
Ready to see it?

594
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,890
So never want to see him.
Really sorry about that, missus.

595
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,390
Smashing.
Apparently really good pitches

596
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,160
are amazing.
He's fully, fully booked out.

597
00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:08,360
Unbelievable.
That's really good.

598
00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:12,110
So he he was. 17 in all Podcasts
on Apple Podcast the other day

599
00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:14,770
Ohh yeah I saw that it all
podcast it was above like some

600
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:17,520
massive ones.
Well, I saw it was like annoyed.

601
00:24:17,530 --> 00:24:21,240
And that was down there when I
was thinking, yeah, I think we

602
00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:24,280
were #2 two.
Yeah, I think we were.

603
00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:27,520
Thousand.
I think just behind the other

604
00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:30,160
one.
Yeah, it was Joe Rogan than us I

605
00:24:30,170 --> 00:24:34,380
think.
No, you're listening.

606
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:36,720
Thanks.
But anyway, the point here was I

607
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:41,760
also spoke to Lee Mr P and said
to him when we had Ofsted last

608
00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,770
week and and his words were just
kind of made me laugh.

609
00:24:44,780 --> 00:24:47,920
And it is something he says a
lot, which was he said good luck

610
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:50,670
and it is mostly luck because it
depends on the inspector you

611
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,220
get, he said.
That on our we interviewed him

612
00:24:53,610 --> 00:24:55,900
and he says it often in his
roles and things as well.

613
00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:58,500
He's quite strongly opinionated
about the reform of Ofsted.

614
00:24:58,510 --> 00:25:01,220
He's not against Ofsted, he's
just thinks it needs to be

615
00:25:01,470 --> 00:25:03,380
reformed as far as I'm aware.
So I thought that was

616
00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:05,100
interesting and I thought it'd
be quite nicely into a

617
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:07,480
discussion about our experience
of Ofsted.

618
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:09,860
And obviously we have to be
careful because there's no

619
00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:11,720
official report out yet.
So we're not going to talk about

620
00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:13,110
any kind of grade or anything
like that.

621
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,250
But we are just going to talk
about our experience through

622
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:19,490
Offset because we were deep
dived and we were deep dived in

623
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,550
maths, which is our subject
area.

624
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,550
So Dylan, yeah.
We'll start with an overview, I

625
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,020
think before we get into it.
I mean a lot of people

626
00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:29,610
listening.
How does talk a lot about Ofsted

627
00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:31,750
in the past?
Emotions run high.

628
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,250
Don't know, especially after.
Big time, Perry.

629
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,050
A lot of controversy across, you
know, and the amount of stress

630
00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:41,750
that an Ofsted visit can induce
over years, you know, not

631
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,800
knowing when they're going to
come is a really bizarre factor

632
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:47,640
in my opinion, because schools
are working hard constantly.

633
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,490
I don't think we need that layer
of mysterious and like it made

634
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:53,240
no difference to us, did it?
Mysterious, mysterious ISM.

635
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,280
It's a new word.
Nice.

636
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,560
But you know, I think giving
schools a slot in the first half

637
00:25:59,570 --> 00:26:02,710
of this year, even, I don't
think that's going to make

638
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,280
practise well, when obviously
the whole stuff with Ruth Perry,

639
00:26:06,290 --> 00:26:08,730
yeah, was horrendous.
You don't know much about it,

640
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:10,550
just look it up.
It was horrible, had a bad

641
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,190
outcome for the school and she
lost her life because it was, it

642
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,790
was horrendous.
And then they went back and and

643
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,200
decided to grade it good few
months later or something.

644
00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:24,590
It was just such a it's.
Situation because it's very easy

645
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,490
Ofsted, and I've said this
before, to fall into the trap of

646
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,410
negative, negative, negative,
all these objective facts about

647
00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:33,850
Ofsted which you think need
changing, I think that needs

648
00:26:33,860 --> 00:26:34,990
huge.
Overhauling think.

649
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,640
We both do, yeah and but it's
very easy for us to come and you

650
00:26:38,650 --> 00:26:40,840
have a positive experience with
them to kind of forget all that.

651
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:42,200
But ohh, we're alright.
Yeah.

652
00:26:42,210 --> 00:26:44,720
And I'm really, really
passionate passionately against

653
00:26:44,730 --> 00:26:47,090
that because you're about to
hear a really positive

654
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,150
experience.
We really did have a positive

655
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,860
experience boosted and I don't
want to hold back on that.

656
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:55,340
In fairness Ofsted as well.
I think if we're going to be

657
00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:58,410
picking apart things that we
need improving, I think we need

658
00:26:58,420 --> 00:26:59,680
to praise them when they get
something.

659
00:26:59,690 --> 00:27:02,360
Because actually Mr P was right
in terms of it is a bit of

660
00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:04,820
lockdown to down to the
inspector because it is just a

661
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:06,230
human being doing a job at the
end of the day.

662
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,750
And we happen to have a really
good human being.

663
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,930
He was doing his job really
well.

664
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,110
Because ultimately, I'm ask you
this question.

665
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,070
Do you think Ofsted should
exist?

666
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,330
Yes.
OK.

667
00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:17,650
So we and I agree, like there
needs to be something to monitor

668
00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:19,890
schools and hold schools
accountable, I think.

669
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,590
It's really, really naive to
suggest that with no

670
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,270
accountability, things wouldn't
slip.

671
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,290
Yeah, I I think that the current
method of accountability is not

672
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,160
in the right balancing scale
that Ofsted.

673
00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:32,710
It flips the other way with
Ofsted in its current form.

674
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,870
It's way too much pressure, too
much worry.

675
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:39,550
And I think staff would do a
fantastic job without even 110th

676
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,950
of that scrutiny and and and
pressure that they're on.

677
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:44,090
I think we, I mean to summarise
something I'm sure we've said on

678
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,700
the previous episode of an
opinion that we came to was that

679
00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:50,680
the main problem is the fact
that the school gets summarised

680
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:53,280
with a word at the end of it.
And on a really, really

681
00:27:53,290 --> 00:27:55,640
arbitrary scale, like a small
scale as well, like you have a

682
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:58,660
rubbish good or great.
It's like really?

683
00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:00,540
For some reason you've gone for
different words.

684
00:28:00,550 --> 00:28:03,560
I know you're.
Right, though, because it is as

685
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:05,960
simple as the bottom line.
And then there's five

686
00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:07,940
categories.
In the leadership and yeah

687
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:10,810
education safeguarding.
But it is just you know headline

688
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:14,870
outstanding headline good yeah
And and it's it's very much like

689
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,490
when we talk about the children
maybe they reach expected

690
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,930
standard.
OK, two children who happen to

691
00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:23,720
be expected standard in maths
can have very, very, very

692
00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:27,190
different ability in maths.
Very different strengths, very

693
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,390
different reasons why they've
got to expect a standard.

694
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,370
One could be really close to a
greater debt and being really

695
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:34,730
top level, one could have just
got into the expected standard

696
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:36,890
because their athletics really
good or something like that.

697
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:39,550
And and the same has to be
applied to schools where it's

698
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,060
not very useful to put two good
schools next to each other and

699
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:47,110
assume that they're the same.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely not.

700
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,060
And the same outstanding as
well, yeah.

701
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:51,700
And then there's the last
element that comes into play

702
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:53,930
here, which just makes the whole
thing a fast, which is that it's

703
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:55,660
a game and you can just play the
game.

704
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,590
Like some schools are really
good at ticking boxes and

705
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,860
they'll get the good or the
outstanding and not even be

706
00:29:00,870 --> 00:29:02,850
remotely comparable with another
school that's good or

707
00:29:02,860 --> 00:29:04,330
outstanding at the same the same
level.

708
00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:06,170
So I I.
Personally, think before we dive

709
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:07,680
in very quickly.
I really do.

710
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:11,990
Believe that there can be an
outstanding school and a good

711
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,490
school where the good school is
doing things and getting much

712
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,290
more out of the children.
And the children are loving

713
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,480
them, living their lives and
getting lots of quality

714
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:24,450
education every single day.
Better than the outstanding

715
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:26,510
school who happened to have
played the game.

716
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,310
Yeah, high staff, turn around.
Yeah, yeah.

717
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,790
Look at staff turnover.
OK.

718
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,870
If the school's outstanding, but
the turnover of staff is

719
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200
extremely high, don't go there.
That's going to tell you.

720
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:40,870
Something about it as a teacher,
as a parent, yeah, maybe they

721
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,170
get a fantastic deal.
As a teacher.

722
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,080
Don't go near it because there
is that is that clearly they're

723
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:49,370
getting an outstanding grade
through jumping through boxes

724
00:29:49,380 --> 00:29:52,270
and be able to put a big banner
up to say outstanding at the

725
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,330
detriment of the well-being of
the people who literally deliver

726
00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:59,030
that outstanding.
Yeah, so that's my disclaimer

727
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,690
Ofsted.
Nothing changes.

728
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,320
But we've said offset before,
but we've now had our experience

729
00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:05,180
of it.
We have and.

730
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:06,670
It's the first time we've gone
from Ofsted.

731
00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:10,790
Both qualified.
Well qualified in 2016.

732
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,690
Yeah, Qualified in 2015, Yeah.
We joined schools which had just

733
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,330
had Ofsted and then we joined
another school which had just

734
00:30:17,340 --> 00:30:18,010
had Ofsted.
Yeah.

735
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:20,850
So this is the first time I've
worked with three schools, and

736
00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:24,110
the first two schools I worked
at got Ofsted Eva just before I

737
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,670
joined or immediately after I
left.

738
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,750
And it was like, oh, I just
missed those two.

739
00:30:27,820 --> 00:30:29,710
Yeah, so.
First experience of state and we

740
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,690
are middle leaders in terms of
where intelligent maths and I

741
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,250
never know middle leaders sounds
weird.

742
00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:37,390
I don't feel like a middle
leader.

743
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,650
I'm a teacher who does.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, subjective.

744
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:43,260
But subject leaders and yeah,
first and foremost, we got the

745
00:30:43,270 --> 00:30:45,290
call.
Obviously, I was off and you

746
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:48,610
were in school and the overview
was that we were getting just

747
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:50,110
one person because we're a good
school.

748
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,100
So again, just one inspector,
it's not a fully blown

749
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:55,940
inspection.
He simply comes in and there are

750
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:57,330
4 outcomes.
I can't think of the name of it,

751
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:59,710
but there are two types of
inspections, 1 to give you a new

752
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,880
grading and one just to
basically renew the grading

753
00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:04,300
around just to see if you're
still at the standard which we

754
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:06,800
learned on the day.
Interestingly, if if the

755
00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:10,540
inspector decides that your
school either way, there's more

756
00:31:10,550 --> 00:31:11,330
here therefore.
Quickly.

757
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:13,240
So I'll take the four, then you
can tell the outcomes of each

758
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:14,980
one.
So the four options the guy had

759
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:18,410
when he came were number one,
you're a good school and you'll

760
00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:20,280
remain a good school.
Done.

761
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:21,700
Yep.
He doesn't come back.

762
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,760
Yeah.
Option two, you're a good

763
00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:26,100
school, but there's evidence
that you could be an outstanding

764
00:31:26,110 --> 00:31:29,350
school and then that would
trigger another Ofsted within

765
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,220
the next two years.
So not even close of three day

766
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:34,240
full inspection to come back and
see if you are at that

767
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:36,440
outstanding in our opinion more.
Stress.

768
00:31:36,450 --> 00:31:38,200
Yeah.
Third option.

769
00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:41,070
You were good.
But there are there is some

770
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,730
evidence that you might have
slipped down the grade.

771
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:46,120
Same outcome.
Ofsted will come again within

772
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:48,370
two years and check to see if
that's the case.

773
00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:50,150
But you're making good.
Until then, you remain good and

774
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,130
in the 4th.
Outcome the one no one wants,

775
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,670
which is serious usually to
safeguarding.

776
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,030
Yeah, serious issues that will
trigger an inspection

777
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,690
immediately, the next day,
within 48 hours, he said.

778
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,950
If, yeah, seriously, like you
said, usually with safeguarding,

779
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,690
but it could be anything.
If there was loads of evidence

780
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,220
across all of the areas he looks
at like leadership curriculum,

781
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:09,500
all those sorts of things.
Well, they.

782
00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:10,940
Wasn't really looking at
leadership too.

783
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,390
Yeah, the the, the big thing in
these ones is quality of

784
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,200
education.
Yeah.

785
00:32:14,210 --> 00:32:15,100
Yeah.
And safeguarding.

786
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:18,070
We had a one day inspection with
one guy So what we wanna do two

787
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,040
sorry because I had a school
trip the next day with a 2 day

788
00:32:21,050 --> 00:32:23,660
inspection with with one
inspector and what all we want

789
00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:26,350
to do really for the next 1015
minutes is just kind of running

790
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,450
for our experience.
Because you might be someone if

791
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:30,610
you're if you're in the teaching
world that's never been frosted

792
00:32:30,620 --> 00:32:33,220
or expecting it soon or maybe
had it recently and you want to

793
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:35,660
compare or we've got lots of
listeners that are in the

794
00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:38,800
teaching world what they just.
Want to know what happens?

795
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:40,800
I think we should give a really
quick overview of actually for

796
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:42,830
two days.
Structure and then we'll go into

797
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,990
real detail about our own
experience with maths, sure.

798
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:49,430
So in terms of what happened was
he did 3 dives explained that.

799
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:52,930
So deep dive when it is an
inspector comes in and obviously

800
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:54,980
even 2 days we cannot check
every single part of the

801
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:56,750
curriculum.
We can't go through music and BT

802
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,700
and art and history and
geography and science and maths

803
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:01,730
and English in detail.
So what offers they do now is

804
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:06,790
this kind of deep dive scheme.
Where they will pick a certain

805
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,440
number of subjects and spend
half a day diving into that

806
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:13,550
subject tends to deep dive.
So our deep dives were in maths,

807
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,790
yeah, History and reading.
Yeah.

808
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:18,250
And offset inspectors tend to go
towards reading.

809
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:21,190
Always something to do with that
because it's such a vital part

810
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,630
of the curriculum and if there's
one thing we want children to

811
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,840
finish school doing, it's
reading.

812
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,170
And interestingly we were
allowed, and I think this is

813
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:30,590
normal practise, we were allowed
to pick a subject to be deep

814
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,250
dived in as well.
So it's almost like a chance for

815
00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,150
the school to say look at this
subject because we feel strongly

816
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,980
about this one.
We picked maths because it's a

817
00:33:36,990 --> 00:33:38,880
well developed area of our
curriculum.

818
00:33:38,890 --> 00:33:41,730
Not, not not saying because of
us, but just over the years it's

819
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:43,520
been a well developed, it had
really strong.

820
00:33:43,530 --> 00:33:45,580
Leadership even before there.
It's been good place.

821
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:47,200
Yeah.
So and obviously we've hopefully

822
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:49,580
maintained that reading like you
said.

823
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:52,120
And then the last one is
supposed to be an area that you

824
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:53,980
want to show the Ofsted
inspector that you're developing

825
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:57,300
at the moment.
And we picked history and he was

826
00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:59,480
happy to do that.
So we had a lot of choice really

827
00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:02,090
in in what areas he spent a lot
and I think.

828
00:34:02,150 --> 00:34:05,220
Again, this is the overall his
kind of word.

829
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:06,720
His leading word was.
Collaborative.

830
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:10,260
He said he really wanted it to
be a collaborative effort.

831
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,860
Not him finding something out,
not him trying to catch us out,

832
00:34:13,870 --> 00:34:16,320
not him trying to find something
that will degrade us.

833
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,710
Yeah, it was a collaborative
effort where actually we go

834
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,040
through as a team and he might
have questions, but it's because

835
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:24,139
he wants an answer, not because
he's trying to trip us up.

836
00:34:24,150 --> 00:34:26,739
And he said one thing didn't
that really calmed me down

837
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:28,420
because I was, I was very
nervous, obviously.

838
00:34:28,429 --> 00:34:31,179
I think most people were quite
nervous because you want to show

839
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:34,580
yourself in your best light and
what was it that you said

840
00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:36,940
specifically?
He said really stuck with him.

841
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:38,860
Really start.
Yeah, I know I'm gonna get wrong

842
00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:41,270
because you make the make cause
I'll get I'll get the wording

843
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,909
completely wrong.
There's not one thing.

844
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:47,310
But he said that there's not one
thing that will be bad enough to

845
00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:50,960
to like to impact the overall
grading or something like that,

846
00:34:50,969 --> 00:34:52,030
if only you write down your
notes.

847
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,199
Did I actually write it
realistic?

848
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:54,350
No one thing.
Did I write it?

849
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:56,030
Ohh yeah.
No one thing will be enough to

850
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,290
ruin the outcome.
I thought I wrote it.

851
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,770
I couldn't see it.
And that made me feel really

852
00:34:59,780 --> 00:35:01,890
good because I had this.
I had this preconception of

853
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,900
Ofsted that if there's one area
of the like 19 things that

854
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:07,380
they're looking at that's just
unsatisfactory, it'll be like,

855
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:10,120
oh, oh that's it you're gonna
nail down into.

856
00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:11,520
That your school's rubbish,
yeah.

857
00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:13,420
And he and he said there's not
one area, obviously.

858
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:15,480
I think that's excluding
safeguarding because that always

859
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:17,840
has the highest precedence.
If, yeah, if safeguarding is not

860
00:35:17,850 --> 00:35:19,690
good enough, then that's it.
You know your your schools well,

861
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:20,560
there's no.
Safeguarding.

862
00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:23,160
Not one thing, yeah, yeah.
But in terms of all the subject

863
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:24,740
areas for.
Example.

864
00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:28,160
If he does, I assume if you
looked at one book and there was

865
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:30,380
no evidence in that book of all
of these amazing stars you're

866
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:32,460
saying you're doing, he's not
going to suddenly think that you

867
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:34,250
are lying.
And one thing I was really

868
00:35:34,260 --> 00:35:37,320
worried about, and we kind of
got over this a while ago

869
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:39,480
because we spoke to a leader
from a different school, Ofsted,

870
00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:42,290
that they'd recently had.
I was really worried that if one

871
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,020
single child said just some
negative things about the

872
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:46,150
school, like, yeah, I just hate
it here.

873
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,630
Teachers are horrible, you know,
for whatever reason.

874
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,560
Maybe they've had that
experience or they're just just

875
00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:54,230
being annoying, then then they
take that super seriously.

876
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,170
But, like, there's a massive
concern at the school.

877
00:35:56,220 --> 00:36:00,030
But I learned from our Ofsted
and also our friends Ofsted that

878
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,420
they're just, they're they're
realistic.

879
00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:03,590
They're human beings.
They aren't.

880
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,470
They've worked in schools
generally after inspectors have

881
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,130
a long career in teaching
before.

882
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,400
And they know that it's
obviously saying that sort of

883
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:11,690
stuff.
And it doesn't always mean if

884
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:15,090
there's a pattern.
Yeah, exactly. 25 children are

885
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,170
raving about the school and then
one child saying I don't like

886
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:19,460
it, but they happen to also be
the child doesn't behave very

887
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:22,110
well in class.
You know, they're usually go,

888
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,790
OK, I can understand why that
child might be annoyed right

889
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,770
now.
So.

890
00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:27,370
Yeah, around those deep dives as
well.

891
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,470
And there are different parts of
it where the inspector would

892
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,730
just go out on the playground,
playtime, just observe the

893
00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:35,550
children, talk to the children
in that environment, just check

894
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,030
the children are safe.
Things like that.

895
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,210
He would talk to staff.
Yeah, talked.

896
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:43,480
To teaching assistants get their
kind of view on the school and I

897
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:46,280
think what what we noticed and
we'll talk more about our deep

898
00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:48,480
dive in a minute.
But with him talking to the

899
00:36:48,490 --> 00:36:51,170
children and him talking to the
star and him talking to the

900
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:54,970
teaching assistants, a huge
thing for him was seeing that

901
00:36:54,980 --> 00:37:00,810
what we say as subject leaders.
Staff saying as staff, teaching

902
00:37:00,820 --> 00:37:03,300
assistants say teaching
assistants, children see that,

903
00:37:03,310 --> 00:37:05,190
let's say that they they do in
lessons every day.

904
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,350
Yeah.
So it almost, I guess the

905
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,910
overarching message we've got
for people going through Ofsted

906
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,810
is as long as you're delivering
good practise, they don't really

907
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:16,090
care how you're doing it as
such.

908
00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:18,930
You can set, you can work from a
scheme, you can do this, you can

909
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:21,030
do that.
As long as you have a rationale,

910
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:25,370
you can back it up and it's
consistent, then they're going

911
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:26,820
to be happy with it.
You can't blag.

912
00:37:26,860 --> 00:37:29,140
No, I think we learned very
quickly, and I'm glad we didn't

913
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,160
anyway.
But you have to be truthful and

914
00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:34,580
honest because he was absolutely
out there to see if the things

915
00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:35,580
we were saying were true.
Yeah.

916
00:37:35,590 --> 00:37:37,200
And if they weren't true, I
imagine that would have had

917
00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,830
repercussions, I think.
Us saying something wasn't true.

918
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,400
Would would have more of an
impact negatively on us than us

919
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:45,450
saying we do something that he
disagrees with.

920
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:47,650
Yeah, or even just saying, not
being honest, like, yeah, we

921
00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:49,130
don't really think this area has
been very well developed.

922
00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:51,130
We're gonna work on it rather
than pretending that it is well

923
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:52,470
developed in any finds out that
it's not.

924
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,450
Because then it's like the
leaders don't know we're talking

925
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:57,410
about now.
It's OK to have your own points

926
00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:59,870
for development as long as you
know them and you can explain.

927
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,130
Of course.
Have action plan, right?

928
00:38:01,180 --> 00:38:04,210
Every school has an action plan.
There's always in progress.

929
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,650
No school was gone.
Completed it.

930
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:09,630
We've done, everything's done.
Our school is complete.

931
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,870
There's always action plan.
Would be nice imaginary school

932
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,670
like that.
Yeah, yeah, that was good.

933
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,440
But it would it be very naive to
go in thinking that the Ofsted

934
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:20,390
inspector is, is expecting
perfection from you, is

935
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,470
expecting a realistic approach
like ohh, these areas are good.

936
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,130
In our subject.
We're also class teachers.

937
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:28,120
We don't have, you know, crazy
amounts of time to sort it out.

938
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:29,650
So we're trying to work on these
areas.

939
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:31,930
This is our plan.
And he was very much like that.

940
00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:34,330
So should we run them through?
Yeah, kind of like a in

941
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,140
chronological order I guess from
the call.

942
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:39,930
So we had the call at about
10:30 the day before.

943
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,110
Monday.
Tuesday.

944
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,850
Yeah, it's it was a Monday.
Mom had the call.

945
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:45,450
Yeah, it was first day of the
week, though, 'cause he came in

946
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:48,480
Tuesday, Wednesday.
And so I guess the first thing

947
00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:51,680
to talk about is that time
between having the call and him

948
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:54,570
being there in the morning that
sort of prep because so 24 hours

949
00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:56,940
basically.
Yeah, The first thing I did was

950
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:59,730
I messaged you because obviously
Dylan was at home on paternity.

951
00:38:59,810 --> 00:39:02,530
And I was like, you'll never
guess what's just happened

952
00:39:02,540 --> 00:39:05,510
because we joked about the idea,
one of us being off and officer

953
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,180
coming in and you were like, no
way, no.

954
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:08,880
And I was like, seriously?
We're going for having a quick

955
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:09,680
emergency meeting.
What?

956
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:11,470
Happened in school, yeah, so
after that.

957
00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:15,340
Ohh yeah obviously you said that
one of the office staff kind of

958
00:39:15,350 --> 00:39:17,600
goes around the school and tells
all the yeah just told us all

959
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:20,520
and then what happens.
So luckily it was it was

960
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:23,990
literally right before our
assembly slot that we were told

961
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,260
so that so they offer staff just
said having a quick meeting in

962
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:28,480
the staff room during assembly.
Our deputy head's going to run

963
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:31,240
assembly and and the head
teacher just wants all the stuff

964
00:39:31,250 --> 00:39:33,100
in there so you can tell
everybody that officers coming

965
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:35,300
in and just kind of what the
rough plan is because Ofsted.

966
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:38,220
Currently I'm wrong.
They have like almost like a

967
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:40,500
phone interview, don't they?
Yeah, on that day.

968
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:43,530
So at the start.
So our head teacher would have

969
00:39:43,540 --> 00:39:45,760
been called like an hour before
this, right before we found out,

970
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:48,780
yeah, to have the call.
And they just asked, I think a

971
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:51,000
series of questions on the phone
to the head teacher to get an

972
00:39:51,010 --> 00:39:53,320
idea of the school, to get an
idea of the head teacher.

973
00:39:53,590 --> 00:39:55,570
I think the deputy and the
assistant head are in there as

974
00:39:55,580 --> 00:39:58,230
well on that call.
And they also explore like what

975
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,800
they're going to deep dive and
all that sort of stuff.

976
00:39:59,810 --> 00:40:01,580
So they sort out all of that
first.

977
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:04,200
Then the head teacher comes and
sort of tells us all that this

978
00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:06,580
is what's happening.
And then and then we were kind

979
00:40:06,590 --> 00:40:09,690
of left to our own devices.
And I had our schools super

980
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,040
chill.
Like it was actually really nice

981
00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:13,830
environment like.
I was probably the most panicky,

982
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,270
yeah, like anyone really.
I'm thinking about what I was

983
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,860
doing and going.
Around being funny, we've done

984
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:18,610
enough.
We're ready.

985
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:20,080
I know.
And that's what it turned out

986
00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:21,590
like.
I felt fine within a few hours,

987
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,450
but our head teacher at no
point, at no point, came round

988
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:29,060
instilling any sort of fear or
panic at any point, which I

989
00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:30,290
thought was really good.
If anything I.

990
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,910
Thought he became super chill
when he was happening.

991
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,330
Yeah he was like finally let's
just do this show them what we

992
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:37,390
will be because we've been
waiting for ages frosted and it

993
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,020
is it is just an annoying
experience.

994
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:42,720
But in terms of prep though so
obviously we spoke a lot and

995
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,230
them very, very kindly I will
say because it was really nice

996
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,350
of you did say I'm going to come
in and help you prep for a

997
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,060
couple of hours and then I'll
come in tomorrow as well.

998
00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:53,780
And to do to do the actual bit
with the inspector because we

999
00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:56,230
were being deep dived, which I
massively appreciated because I

1000
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,460
was starting to get a bit like
ohh God, I've got to do this

1001
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:59,590
stuff now.
I think it's more.

1002
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,670
You would have been absolutely
fine.

1003
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,760
But I think it's more having
years of knowing it's both of

1004
00:41:02,770 --> 00:41:03,560
us.
Yeah.

1005
00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:06,200
To suddenly the day before being
like ohh God it's just what have

1006
00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:08,270
I forget there what have I do
this exactly and we normally

1007
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,120
quite good at one of us is
talking just thinking about the

1008
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:16,160
next thing to say as you can
yeah so prep that evening and

1009
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:21,000
that day all we did really was
#1 get all of our documents

1010
00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:22,440
together.
So we had our progression

1011
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:24,220
document.
We had our action plan.

1012
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:26,440
We had any kind of lesson
monitoring and pupil

1013
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,560
conferencing evidence that we
had of our lead of our subject

1014
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:31,220
leadership.
And we just kind of printed it

1015
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:32,720
all because normally we're all
very digital.

1016
00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:35,580
But I just wanted a hard copy
just in case you wanted to see

1017
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:37,620
it which he didn't by the way at
any point really.

1018
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,860
We just talked about those
things unless the structure

1019
00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:41,890
policy.
Yeah, because he's.

1020
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:43,440
Not trying to catch you out like
you said.

1021
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,450
You know you are allowed to look
at your policy on a piece of

1022
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:46,820
paper.
Don't be afraid to print that

1023
00:41:46,830 --> 00:41:47,850
stuff.
And we wrote notes as well.

1024
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:49,250
Yeah, and it's fine to read
notes.

1025
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,420
I was sat there with my bullet
points of things I want to

1026
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:54,230
mention to him to show that, you
know, because he's a human

1027
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,090
being, he knows that people
forget stuff and get nervous and

1028
00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:57,910
again.
We could have made that up and

1029
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,290
he would have found this out
within one hour.

1030
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:01,740
Yeah, so he wasn't made-up
exactly, was just organisation.

1031
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,680
And the 2nd thing we did was
just sent a very, very, very

1032
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:08,970
short summary e-mail to staff,
just outlining the kind of key

1033
00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:11,010
points of the mass curriculum
that we've been developing.

1034
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:14,050
Just just as a reminder, because
at the end of the day we love

1035
00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:19,130
maths and we live maths as, as
an also, as a teacher I don't

1036
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:22,250
have that level of like
involvement in every single

1037
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:24,310
subject right where I can just
remember off the top of my head

1038
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,070
all of the things we've done for
the last four years.

1039
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,180
I do need to be just reminded.
But straight.

1040
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:30,110
Yeah, exactly.
And it was really useful when

1041
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,350
when I saw just a couple of
notes on the things we've been

1042
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,170
doing in history like, yeah, of
course we have been doing that.

1043
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:36,180
Oh yeah, of course I've been.
I've implemented this already.

1044
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:38,770
But on the spot, if I was asked
by the inspector, I probably

1045
00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:41,350
would have frozen, like I don't
know what we do and of course I

1046
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,900
do.
I just needed that reminder.

1047
00:42:42,910 --> 00:42:45,720
So I sent a very very short
summary e-mail to to start

1048
00:42:45,730 --> 00:42:46,500
script.
Really.

1049
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:48,130
No, it wasn't.
You hear some?

1050
00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:50,850
People say they send out scripts
and they're like, you will be

1051
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:53,510
found out.
Yeah, like I know schools where

1052
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,770
staff have been given scripts
and questions and answers.

1053
00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:58,230
If you get asked this, answer
this.

1054
00:42:58,740 --> 00:42:59,510
How are you?
How?

1055
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,010
What?
No, it was, it was actually

1056
00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:03,520
just, it was a bullet point list
of things like this is where our

1057
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:06,570
progression document is in in
the, in the in the Stafford

1058
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:07,660
area.
This is where you're going to

1059
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:09,290
find this document if you need
to have a look at it.

1060
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,580
Our vocab progression is here.
Just stuff like that, where it

1061
00:43:11,590 --> 00:43:13,680
was like people might want to
have these things on hand

1062
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:15,290
tomorrow if they're being asked
about it.

1063
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,030
So that was that.
Was that because?

1064
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,340
Very quickly I think maybe you
can address this.

1065
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:23,000
There is a feeling sometimes and
someone outside of school might

1066
00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:25,980
think, well, if you're told the
day before, can't you just fudge

1067
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:28,640
it like you know, what do you
mean prep what, What prep is

1068
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:29,720
there to do?
Yeah exactly.

1069
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:31,980
But it's it's just organisation
I would say.

1070
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:34,040
Yeah, more than anything, I
suppose the nice thing about

1071
00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:36,760
them is a nice thing.
But from their point of view,

1072
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:39,200
from Office's point of view,
about that's good for them

1073
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:42,380
coming or telling you 24 hours
before they come is you can't

1074
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:44,680
really forget.
It would be very, very hard if

1075
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:47,930
you were genuinely genuinely,
like, not in the right to be

1076
00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:50,570
able to, within 24 hours, fix
all of those things.

1077
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:52,170
It's not going to happen, Not
when you.

1078
00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:54,980
Factor in he talks to the kids
and stuff like exactly because

1079
00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:56,960
the blagging is out the window.
Yeah, through through their

1080
00:43:56,970 --> 00:43:58,530
approach.
So I thought it was a very good

1081
00:43:58,540 --> 00:44:02,510
approach to, you know, stop.
I guess as much of the fudging

1082
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,510
of the system as possible I
wanna talk about.

1083
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,650
Our leadership team, because we
got a lot of people writing in,

1084
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:09,890
it's very easy for us to jump on
the bandwagon sometimes.

1085
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:12,010
But like, how ridiculous are
this leadership team?

1086
00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:14,250
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think our leadership

1087
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:18,870
team could have done any better
for us in that process of making

1088
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,820
it as chilled out as trustworthy
and positive because they

1089
00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:24,650
trusted us.
They they really did.

1090
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:26,670
And I'm talking about as a
leader and a teacher.

1091
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,990
I I felt completely trusted when
I went in there.

1092
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:32,440
There was no.
None was under my back.

1093
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:33,400
None.
So make sure you say this.

1094
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:34,340
Make sure you say that.
Yeah.

1095
00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:35,160
It was No.
No.

1096
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:38,410
You got and the only thing SLT
repeatedly said to us you guys

1097
00:44:38,420 --> 00:44:40,280
gonna be absolutely fine.
Yeah, they're really nice.

1098
00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:43,900
Our assistant head is just so
involved in our school.

1099
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:45,920
She's amazing.
And it was really, really nice

1100
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:49,270
actually, to see her super
positive, like buzzing around

1101
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,000
the school and she wasn't even
feeling well that week.

1102
00:44:51,010 --> 00:44:52,460
She was really poorly.
She's amazing.

1103
00:44:52,510 --> 00:44:54,960
And she stayed in school anyway,
and she wanted to be there.

1104
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:57,020
And she was so positive.
And I think she made everyone

1105
00:44:57,030 --> 00:45:01,130
feel good because, yeah, our
school is good, you know, And we

1106
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:04,040
did, we did everything we needed
to do on that day.

1107
00:45:04,090 --> 00:45:05,900
So let's go through the day,
shall we?

1108
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:07,180
Yeah.
This is exciting.

1109
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:09,150
So, you know, I think a lot of
people.

1110
00:45:09,850 --> 00:45:11,990
Here, deep dive.
If they're teachers, they hear

1111
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
deep dive and and it gives me a
sense of dread.

1112
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:16,900
It really did like, what do you
mean deep dive?

1113
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:20,460
It sounds horrendous.
Yeah, I really enjoyed the

1114
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:21,380
process.
Me too.

1115
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:23,540
I didn't think they dived as
deep as I thought they would.

1116
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:25,800
Well, yeah.
There's a lot of accountability,

1117
00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:28,160
a lot of straight questions.
You've got to know your stuff,

1118
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:32,830
but if you know your stuff, if
you know your curriculum and

1119
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,060
your intent and why are you
doing things, it's really

1120
00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:40,220
enjoyable because you're
basically we love maths.

1121
00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:42,140
Hmm.
And we love, we, we think maths

1122
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:45,130
and our school's great.
We got to show off to an expert

1123
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:47,000
for half a morning.
Yeah, this is what we do and

1124
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,490
This is why we do it.
That's all we were doing all

1125
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:49,920
morning.
So for his first question was

1126
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:51,020
interesting.
We had a meeting with him.

1127
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:54,450
We were the first deep dive.
So it was like 9:00 and we had

1128
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:57,000
about 2 1/2 hours blocked out
with this guy, which at first I

1129
00:45:57,010 --> 00:45:58,330
was like, Oh my God, that's so
long.

1130
00:45:58,340 --> 00:46:02,070
But it went no so quickly.
The 1st 20 minutes, Thirty

1131
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,520
minutes of that.
Yeah, I think it's a bit longer.

1132
00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:06,130
Maybe you might think about half
an hour in the end, because

1133
00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:08,230
about half nine we were out, we
were gone round round

1134
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,370
classrooms.
He just met with us and just

1135
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:14,000
asked us questions and again
that time went so quick and the

1136
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:16,160
first question was, do you
remember it?

1137
00:46:16,890 --> 00:46:19,310
I think it was what's the intent
of what's the purpose of your

1138
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:19,890
curriculum?
Yeah.

1139
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:21,760
The intent what is really broad
question.

1140
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:22,910
Yeah.
And we, we almost felt like,

1141
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,380
ohh, that's caught off guard.
But it was quite simple really.

1142
00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:26,900
What is the intent of your
curriculum?

1143
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:29,860
And you, I think you jumped in
straight away of like the intent

1144
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:32,600
is that every single child makes
progress at this school in

1145
00:46:32,610 --> 00:46:34,140
mathematics and they love the
subject.

1146
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:36,960
And I was like, yes, still go
online, but it's true.

1147
00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:38,620
That's exactly what we do do it
for.

1148
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:41,940
And then from there, he just
kind of dictated his questions

1149
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:44,300
to go in this sort of flow
because he just wanted to find

1150
00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:46,120
out what we did, I thought.
They were blocked.

1151
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:48,040
The questions, it was like a
theme.

1152
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:50,140
You answer.
I asked a question about it.

1153
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:51,560
You answer a question, Answer a
question.

1154
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:52,580
Yeah.
New thing.

1155
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:53,800
Yeah.
So the first thing about the

1156
00:46:53,810 --> 00:46:56,120
intent was really cool because
it really opened up the whole

1157
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:59,800
curriculum because we could talk
about fluency, problem solving,

1158
00:46:59,870 --> 00:47:01,780
children from different
backgrounds, children from

1159
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:04,400
different abilities, staff
making sure they're, you know,

1160
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:06,300
really good.
And I feel like that question

1161
00:47:06,310 --> 00:47:08,510
was a really good one to open
with because it opened all the

1162
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,120
avenues I thought.
I thought he was very equally

1163
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:16,890
interested, which should be in
just your average child, but

1164
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,210
also children with
disadvantaged, from

1165
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:22,430
disadvantaged backgrounds and
children with additional needs.

1166
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,780
And he was very, very like on it
all the time about talking about

1167
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:28,290
those three groups of children
very equally and wanted to see

1168
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,490
evidence of, you know.
And and also I think maybe from

1169
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,130
COVID especially, it's been
exacerbated also children, just

1170
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:37,290
just children in general who
have gaps in, yeah, you

1171
00:47:37,300 --> 00:47:39,530
mentioned it a lot, didn't he?
Gaps, how are you plugging gaps?

1172
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,150
How are you plugging gaps?
How are you catching kids up?

1173
00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:44,920
How are you?
Ensuring in a class where

1174
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:48,120
someone understands something
someone doesn't, that you don't

1175
00:47:48,130 --> 00:47:50,170
leave anyone behind.
And he didn't try and catch us

1176
00:47:50,180 --> 00:47:53,240
out like we'd give an answer.
And if he, if he got the gist of

1177
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:55,320
what we were saying, he wasn't
being like he wasn't trying to

1178
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:57,310
catch that thinking all.
They didn't use this word so

1179
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,360
I'll write down they've not got
the right answer.

1180
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:01,380
He was just, it was very
collaborative.

1181
00:48:01,390 --> 00:48:02,840
He understood what we were
saying.

1182
00:48:02,890 --> 00:48:05,460
And every now and then he'd even
put words in our mouth a little

1183
00:48:05,470 --> 00:48:07,420
bit where he was trying to
summarise what we were saying to

1184
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:08,720
make sure that he agreed.
Yeah.

1185
00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:12,200
Not in a bad way but just so you
are you so you're saying this

1186
00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:12,710
and we're about.
Yes.

1187
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,240
That's what we're trying to say.
And and he was very trusting

1188
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:17,020
that that, you know, is
truthfully what we were trying

1189
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:19,050
to say wasn't, you know, we
weren't, I thought.

1190
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:23,270
A good a big thing, he said.
A lot of was, you know, OK, what

1191
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,920
are we going to see?
You know because we had that we

1192
00:48:25,930 --> 00:48:28,100
had that discussion together
knowing full well mass was going

1193
00:48:28,110 --> 00:48:29,870
on.
So like he, I think he almost

1194
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,500
said it one in in as many words
he said OK so if we if we went

1195
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:35,920
round now into a classroom what
would I see in every classroom

1196
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:38,500
And that gives us a really good
opportunity to kind of show off

1197
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:42,440
what we've what we've given
staff as development, what we

1198
00:48:42,450 --> 00:48:45,880
expect from maths lessons.
And it felt like every time we

1199
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:47,680
asked the question I was excited
to answer it.

1200
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:49,880
Yeah there was no dread it was
ohh no.

1201
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:52,030
We do this at this school and
we've worked really hard on

1202
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,200
making sure there's a lot of
children talk.

1203
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:56,120
Yeah, we've we've worked really
hard at making sure that.

1204
00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:59,280
Actually, if you walked through
the school you'd notice that

1205
00:48:59,290 --> 00:49:02,270
we're all using a scheme.
But if you walked through a year

1206
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,770
group you might notice varying
abilities, working off the

1207
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:09,410
curriculum in different ways.
You might see one class with

1208
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:12,980
manipulatives out doing maths at
a level that's appropriate to

1209
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:14,780
them.
You might walk into a next

1210
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:18,390
classroom and they're doing
problem solving from the offset,

1211
00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:21,870
really securing their maths and
wherever you go.

1212
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:24,730
I think the point we wanted to
make was what you should see is

1213
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:27,220
children in their zone of
learning.

1214
00:49:27,350 --> 00:49:30,360
Now, whatever that is for them,
you're not gonna walk into every

1215
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:32,900
classroom and see them doing the
same thing, but you are gonna

1216
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:35,890
walk into every classroom and
see each child stretching

1217
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,590
themselves.
Yeah, learning basics or seeing

1218
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,560
what they can in zone of
proximal development zone

1219
00:49:40,570 --> 00:49:44,040
approximately.
But it was really passionate

1220
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:46,550
because I want you to talk about
now, Hayden cause another big

1221
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,070
part.
Big controversial thing in in

1222
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,400
maths is whether you should set
from ability or not.

1223
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,790
Yeah so huge thing.
Do we simply have a mixed class

1224
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,570
mobility?
It's just as it is and you teach

1225
00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:03,470
maths to them and you support
children who struggle or stretch

1226
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,160
children who do really well or
should you set them?

1227
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:09,730
There are pros and cons to both.
The flavour of the last few

1228
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:12,700
years has to been to not set and
almost some people turn their

1229
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:14,660
nose up at setting.
Like, no, Everyone should be

1230
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,590
doing the same thing we set in
our school.

1231
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:20,340
Something we've thought about
for a while that would be

1232
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:22,260
flagged up of Ofsted was flagged
up.

1233
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:23,580
Hmm.
But how did you find that

1234
00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:25,620
process with him?
I thought it was really

1235
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:28,680
interesting how he had maybe
maybe he had a slight

1236
00:50:28,690 --> 00:50:31,440
preconception about the idea of
setting because he was a little

1237
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:34,440
bit concerned about the idea and
he really wanted to see how he

1238
00:50:34,450 --> 00:50:36,880
approached it.
But I loved that through our

1239
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:39,240
justifications and we'll talk
about that in a minute.

1240
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,400
By the end of our conversation
with him, like a professional

1241
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:45,300
dialogue and going around the
school, he was really pleased

1242
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:47,600
with the way we approached it
and thought that it was

1243
00:50:47,610 --> 00:50:50,480
absolutely acceptable and fine.
So even though you had a bit of

1244
00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:52,580
OHH setting, I don't know he
didn't let that get.

1245
00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:53,710
In the way didn't.
No, no he didn't.

1246
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,060
He didn't just have that
preconception.

1247
00:50:55,070 --> 00:50:57,330
And then and then that was the
end result as well and I think

1248
00:50:57,340 --> 00:50:59,110
sometimes.
That's what Mr He's alluding to.

1249
00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:03,050
If some inspectors have this
preconception of what they

1250
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:06,560
expect is good, Yeah.
Anything diverting from that

1251
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,540
doesn't match up with the idea
that Ofsted should be not

1252
00:51:09,550 --> 00:51:11,550
looking for certain things, but
looking for consistency.

1253
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,070
And perhaps they're not
confident in that area as an

1254
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,280
inspector, so they just kind of
stick with what they know.

1255
00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:18,510
Yeah.
But this guy, you know, he was

1256
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,520
very interested in hearing our
reasoning to everything.

1257
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:23,460
Hey then why don't you tell
people at home?

1258
00:51:23,530 --> 00:51:26,920
Yeah, in our school you know,
what do we do in maths?

1259
00:51:27,470 --> 00:51:28,780
What is in terms of?
How do we set?

1260
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:33,600
Your could we have three form
entry, so we have four adults in

1261
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:37,400
the morning where we set
teacher, where we can split

1262
00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:39,720
children, 96 children however we
like.

1263
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:42,480
We could just stay in classes.
In English it's completely

1264
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:44,170
mixed.
What do we do in maths?

1265
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:46,320
I think it'd be really
interesting to see what you guys

1266
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:48,910
do if you're in the teaching as
well and how it compares to us.

1267
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,210
But we have quite a simple
procedure I think really and

1268
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:57,490
that is we look at the data at
the end of the previous year, so

1269
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:01,130
our summative data of that
cohort of children and we simply

1270
00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:05,070
use that it's bespoke every
single time to divide them into

1271
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,530
sets as we see according.
So we have four teachers in each

1272
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:09,990
year group and we just look at
the data and go right, what do

1273
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,210
these kids need?
What should we put in place for

1274
00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:14,080
them rather than what a lot of
schools do is they have an

1275
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:18,100
approach of like ideological.
The sets already exist and we

1276
00:52:18,110 --> 00:52:20,380
put the kids into the sets.
Yeah, rather than let's look at

1277
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:21,930
the kids and make sets based on
that lately.

1278
00:52:21,940 --> 00:52:24,010
So that's what we do.
And that really, he really.

1279
00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:26,560
Appreciated that.
Yeah, he does something, he

1280
00:52:26,570 --> 00:52:29,580
said, which I thought was almost
like a tagline I wanna take from

1281
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:33,160
him.
He was saying you're responsive,

1282
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:35,800
not reactive.
Yeah, and I spent the whole time

1283
00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:40,310
thinking, what's the difference?
Reactive is like ohh God we

1284
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,320
didn't think this through and
we're gonna just put a a plaster

1285
00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:44,650
on that and fix that and change
it.

1286
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:46,570
Ohh God no, no, this isn't
working properly.

1287
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,590
Ohh we need to really quickly
change that and that mindset

1288
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,010
school's getting which is like
ohh gosh we've got to fix these

1289
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:53,290
things within 3 minutes and and
not have a plan.

1290
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:56,500
His point was we're responsive
in that we look at the data, we

1291
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:59,030
have a well thought out plan and
we just roll with that.

1292
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,010
Yeah, respond to the needs of
them at the time and then we put

1293
00:53:02,020 --> 00:53:03,090
things in place.
It's.

1294
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:05,810
Thoughtful.
It is based on what he sees, but

1295
00:53:05,820 --> 00:53:07,650
it's not reactionary.
Really.

1296
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:09,910
Quick Gosh, let's change.
Just change that, Yeah.

1297
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,830
We have a rationale that we
stick with.

1298
00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:14,810
I think if we said we just set,
that would be really weak

1299
00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:16,820
practise and I think could have
easily picked it apart.

1300
00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:20,490
Yeah, but we explained why we
set, we went and showed him the

1301
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:23,890
classes and in every class
children were doing something

1302
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:25,970
appropriate to them and it
backed up.

1303
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:28,150
And he even said I can see how
this works.

1304
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,410
I can really see how this works
here.

1305
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:31,620
So there's one more area that he
was really interested in,

1306
00:53:31,630 --> 00:53:33,750
because I don't know where this
conversation is going on Forever

1307
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:36,660
One.
People on this podcast, podcast,

1308
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:39,430
but you know so the other area
he was really interested in when

1309
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,330
he was going was our
intervention group.

1310
00:53:42,340 --> 00:53:45,580
So he was very interested in how
we plug gaps via some, you know

1311
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:47,920
additional groups and things.
Now most schools will run some

1312
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:51,080
sort of intervention group at
some point in the day.

1313
00:53:51,090 --> 00:53:53,980
It's the magical group.
So intervention group is that

1314
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:56,450
magical thing that's supposed to
happen but also not supposed to

1315
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:58,540
happen in during the day.
So what is it?

1316
00:53:58,750 --> 00:54:01,580
Well, intervention group is just
when some children may be a

1317
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:04,280
group of six group of eight
children are taken to plug a gap

1318
00:54:04,290 --> 00:54:05,950
in their learning.
Basically, they don't quite get.

1319
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,240
Something some extra help you
might remember in primary

1320
00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:09,870
school.
Some kids might go off with an

1321
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,950
assistant.
Teacher and just practise

1322
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,220
something again.
His his first question about

1323
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:16,290
this, and I knew it was loaded
because I've heard about this

1324
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:19,730
question before, was who runs
your intervention groups and it

1325
00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:22,670
was very loaded because he was
because I know it's seen as a

1326
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,270
negative practise if the only
people that are running your

1327
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,650
intervention groups for the
children that need teaching the

1328
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:31,260
most are your least trained
teachers, which are generally

1329
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:33,890
your teaching assistants rather
than the teacher themselves.

1330
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:36,170
Fortunately for us, you know, we
have both.

1331
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:38,830
So our teachers run our, which
is best practise intervention

1332
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,100
groups and we also have our
teaching assistants and in

1333
00:54:41,110 --> 00:54:43,010
groups as well.
Yeah, so when we say main.

1334
00:54:43,020 --> 00:54:46,500
Intervention groups.
We mean for example in maths if

1335
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:49,860
children didn't get something
that day, in maths most of the

1336
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:53,150
time in the week we have a slot
where as the teacher we can keep

1337
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,600
them for 10 to 15 minutes and
explicitly go over that again

1338
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:59,430
the same day.
Whereas we might have teaching

1339
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,910
assistants sometimes do
something similar but they'll be

1340
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,770
doing something more pre
planned, maybe like a

1341
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:07,140
handwriting scheme, maybe
reading with children, but that

1342
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:09,980
direct teaching that we have
delivered the children didn't

1343
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:11,540
care.
It's important that you can

1344
00:55:11,550 --> 00:55:13,530
justify.
Ofsted that it's the teaching

1345
00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:15,210
themselves who are plugging the
gaps as well.

1346
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:17,150
Exactly.
He also asked how we assessed

1347
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,450
the children, which I thought
was a really interesting

1348
00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:21,150
question because, and it was
really.

1349
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,350
That was that vague, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was.

1350
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:27,030
Most of the questions were, so
my fears were very much that he

1351
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,950
was gonna be really unpicking
stuff and just like trying to

1352
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,110
get to the point where he
catches us out.

1353
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,290
And it wasn't like that at all.
He was just asking genuine

1354
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:36,410
questions.
So if you remember our response

1355
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:38,730
to assessment, yeah, well, you.
You jumped in with.

1356
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:40,530
It was good.
It was about testing for

1357
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:42,310
success, yeah.
So I mean.

1358
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:44,210
You started off very quickly.
You can talk about testing

1359
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:46,790
success, but the general spiel,
you might not know this.

1360
00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:51,650
We do tests 3 * a year, but we
do ongoing assessment from

1361
00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:54,170
lessons, from feedback, from
marking, from talking to the

1362
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:57,550
children, from doing groups, all
that general stuff.

1363
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,840
But then you really went into
detail about something I thought

1364
00:55:59,850 --> 00:56:01,730
was good.
Yeah, well, we've recently, one

1365
00:56:01,740 --> 00:56:04,110
of our most recent things we've
introduced, I guess, and we'll

1366
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,630
just put a bit more training on,
is that when we do weekly

1367
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,270
arithmetic tests, which not
every school will do, but in our

1368
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,930
school we have sort of just
identified that 10 minutes, 50

1369
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:15,370
minutes every week, once a week
where we just, yeah, just go

1370
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:16,690
over some fluency.
It's not the only.

1371
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:18,950
Time we do athletic.
It's just something where we can

1372
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,250
do what you're about to say.
Yeah, gives us a bit of data and

1373
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:23,450
we call it testing for success
because the idea is it's

1374
00:56:23,460 --> 00:56:25,190
cumulative.
We're not, we're not chucking

1375
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,200
loads of content in these tests
that the kids haven't done yet

1376
00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:29,430
just to see if they can do them
so that we can track progress

1377
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,310
over time.
It is literally just for

1378
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,970
formative assessment straight
away.

1379
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,600
Here's, here's 10 questions, You
have taught you all of them,

1380
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:36,770
Let's see if you can still do
them.

1381
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:39,870
And then from that we can gap
analyse that very, very easily

1382
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,210
and go, ohh, look, 50% of the
kids are still getting question

1383
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:43,310
9 wrong.
What of that?

1384
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,430
Ohh.
OK, I'm going to do a bit more

1385
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,400
of that.
I'm gonna teach a bit more of

1386
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:47,400
that then because I've taught
that they're not getting it.

1387
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:48,430
Yeah, so we're gonna do it
again.

1388
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,470
Whereas.
Sometimes in a test where taking

1389
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,390
off the shelf, you might get
loads of getting question 9

1390
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,410
wrong and loads of getting
question 5 wrong.

1391
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:58,010
Well, question five was column
addition with two exchanging.

1392
00:56:58,020 --> 00:56:59,610
We've just done that.
That's a worry.

1393
00:56:59,780 --> 00:57:02,650
Question nine was fraction.
We haven't done fractions yet.

1394
00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:05,330
Yeah.
So on paper, those 20, gosh,

1395
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:06,800
we've got these two gaps.
You haven't.

1396
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:09,410
You've got one gap.
You've got one gap really,

1397
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:12,070
because now for testing with
success, you walk into a

1398
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,320
classroom and I think you really
liked this as well.

1399
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:17,290
It's another thing that we can
say what we set as well is you

1400
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:20,260
will see children doing a
repetitive test where every

1401
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:22,820
single child in the school that
aim is to get 10 out of 10.

1402
00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:24,490
Yeah, so it's a really clear
goal.

1403
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,010
It's like everyone can get 10
out of 10 every week.

1404
00:57:27,060 --> 00:57:29,330
If they don't, they get help.
If they do, they get celebrated.

1405
00:57:29,340 --> 00:57:30,810
Simple as that.
So as soon as a negative

1406
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:33,210
practise just for those thinking
about maybe even a maths deep

1407
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:35,730
dive, it's seen as negative
practise to be regularly

1408
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:38,060
assessing children on content
they haven't even been taught

1409
00:57:38,070 --> 00:57:39,300
yet.
It's not seen as a good

1410
00:57:39,310 --> 00:57:43,470
practise, so yeah, we did.
The walk, you suppose there was

1411
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,580
a lot.
There's loads of other stuff

1412
00:57:44,590 --> 00:57:45,560
there.
I mean, if if you guys are

1413
00:57:45,570 --> 00:57:47,290
having a deep dive, you want
more, you get in touch with us.

1414
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:48,070
Yeah.
You spoke to kids.

1415
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,030
I've got the kids, yeah.
We talk about that, but in terms

1416
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,790
of our walking around with him,
I meant that as well.

1417
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,240
Just just going around chatting
to kids.

1418
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:55,090
Ohh yeah.
Walking with him, that was a big

1419
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:56,650
thing I thought was really cool
as well.

1420
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:58,800
I liked that he had the same
sort of two questions, didn't

1421
00:57:58,810 --> 00:57:59,630
he?
Yeah, yeah.

1422
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,520
What are you?
Learning.

1423
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,940
Yeah.
What have you been?

1424
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:03,880
Learning.
What are you learning?

1425
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:06,550
So children being able to
articulate, and it's a really

1426
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,710
good point that if a child in
your class doing the task can't

1427
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,850
see what they're doing.
Yeah, there's a missing link

1428
00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:12,890
there somewhere.
Yeah.

1429
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:15,340
And the other one was, you know,
how's your teacher helping?

1430
00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:18,730
Yeah, well, I thought that was
really good question because if

1431
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:22,070
a child doesn't know how your
teacher can help you, that is a

1432
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,470
huge gap or what they're
learning.

1433
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:25,310
Yeah, I think he was kind of
doing them in pairs for a

1434
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,630
reason.
If they couldn't answer those

1435
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,210
questions as a bit of a flag of
like, OK, something's not quite

1436
00:58:29,220 --> 00:58:31,690
right here because it's mid
lesson, so that was interesting.

1437
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:34,320
Luckily, the kids were great 11.
Question quickly before we move

1438
00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:36,780
on, I suppose was he asked very
briefly about parental

1439
00:58:36,790 --> 00:58:39,190
engagement.
Not something that's really high

1440
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,690
on the list, I think when you're
preparing it.

1441
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:42,570
Deep dive because you think
about the quality of learning,

1442
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:46,010
but as long as you have ties
with your parents and their

1443
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:49,410
efforts and through open
evenings and things like that,

1444
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:51,250
that was an easy enough question
to battle.

1445
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:53,790
Yeah.
But the thing that I found

1446
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,910
really interesting again was he
obviously the pupil voice.

1447
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,860
So he spoke to children.
He asked for eight children, 2

1448
00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:03,530
from each year group were Junior
School. 3456 And he just said

1449
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,510
eight children, please.
I want a few children who are

1450
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,510
people.
Premium, yeah.

1451
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,510
I want a few children who are
additional needs and I want a

1452
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,310
few children who aren't a number
of registers.

1453
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,440
Just mix them up, send them in.
He didn't.

1454
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:17,490
He didn't ask who was who.
He didn't ask for names.

1455
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:19,670
He didn't ask for anything like
that.

1456
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,880
He just wanted to know that in
that group of eight children,

1457
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:23,890
there was a broad variety of
children from different

1458
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:26,470
backgrounds in school.
And we weren't in that

1459
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,700
conversation with them.
Yeah.

1460
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:29,970
We sort of let the children in,
thinking we were being in the

1461
00:59:29,980 --> 00:59:32,650
room with them as well, just
just to be there as a familiar

1462
00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:35,130
face really.
And he was like, OK, off you go.

1463
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,070
Yeah, we're like ohh, OK, bye
obviously.

1464
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,030
Safeguarding thing, Yeah, yeah,
he kind of stuff that maths.

1465
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,300
So, yeah, we just, we just sort
of they were in there for a good

1466
00:59:42,340 --> 00:59:43,730
half an hour.
Yeah, good half an hour.

1467
00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:45,630
We just kind of lingered outside
with their books.

1468
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,370
Books open.
Yeah, they took their books with

1469
00:59:47,380 --> 00:59:50,890
them and I thought it was a
really nice experience in terms

1470
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:53,070
of it was a bit, again, a bit
more holistic.

1471
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,910
I was a bit more confident that
the children had everything they

1472
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,410
needed with them to be able to
answer these questions as well.

1473
00:59:58,420 --> 01:00:01,450
So I imagine just from
experience of talking to other

1474
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:02,950
staff that have been for
offsets.

1475
01:00:03,370 --> 01:00:06,880
That the approach is very much
like if he if he says what we've

1476
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:08,830
been learning recently, the kids
are allowed to open their book

1477
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,700
and be like this is what I've
been learning recently, like

1478
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:12,650
that That is OK.
It's not a memory test.

1479
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:14,590
Well, a big.
Part for us was we talked about

1480
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,450
our starters and it's a really
big part of how we're plugging

1481
01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:21,080
gaps across the school is that
we have that unmovable, almost

1482
01:00:21,090 --> 01:00:24,450
like a lesson, that 20 minute
slot at the start of every day

1483
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,170
which you go to your math set
and you're with your teacher and

1484
01:00:27,180 --> 01:00:30,230
you recap stuff you need to or
completely free for staff to do

1485
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,290
if they want.
And those starters are in the

1486
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:35,450
back of their book.
And I just had this vision of

1487
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:37,250
him asking that because we said
to him.

1488
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:39,050
We do this starters.
It's in the back of the book.

1489
01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:40,080
Yeah.
And he was like, oh, have I

1490
01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:41,880
going, will I go and see that?
And like, yes.

1491
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:43,880
But we missed that time because
we have the meeting so we can

1492
01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:44,780
see the stars.
Yeah.

1493
01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:46,980
But there's a really nice vision
of him saying, ohh, so do you do

1494
01:00:46,990 --> 01:00:48,830
any starters and the kids, like,
yeah, in the back of my book and

1495
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,880
they open the back of the book.
Really visually show them.

1496
01:00:50,890 --> 01:00:53,440
And each kid has something
different even in the same year

1497
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:55,730
group cause they might be from
different sets like Oh well look

1498
01:00:55,740 --> 01:00:57,700
I've been doing loads of times
table practise and whereas this

1499
01:00:57,710 --> 01:01:00,740
child I've been to reasoning and
problem solving stuff in my my.

1500
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:03,640
Start time.
It was just totally positive.

1501
01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:05,300
I think it was good.
I tell you, it's just thinking

1502
01:01:05,310 --> 01:01:08,360
of that, if you're maths lead or
whatever, that was a really

1503
01:01:08,370 --> 01:01:10,720
positive change and an easy
thing we did with the school.

1504
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:14,600
Because the reason that kind of
idea got born of having the back

1505
01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:17,080
of the book for the starters was
because when we were looking at

1506
01:01:17,090 --> 01:01:20,140
books a couple of years ago, it
just wasn't very clear.

1507
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:22,340
When looking through the books,
kind of where the main objective

1508
01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:24,840
of the lesson started, because
we'd often do starters and we'd

1509
01:01:24,850 --> 01:01:26,160
write things in our books as
well.

1510
01:01:26,430 --> 01:01:29,170
And the kids also struggled to
say this is what I've been

1511
01:01:29,180 --> 01:01:31,060
learning in this lesson because
they're looking at their own

1512
01:01:31,070 --> 01:01:34,060
book and there's maybe that
maybe it was a mixed starter of

1513
01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:36,580
a couple of recap things that's
right there in that book.

1514
01:01:36,590 --> 01:01:38,500
And then immediately transitions
into their main task.

1515
01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:40,950
And they were a bit I forgot
what I was learning.

1516
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,790
I was learning fractions.
I know that was a recap cause it

1517
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,290
might say.
We are learning to add

1518
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:46,090
fractions, yeah.
And then underneath for six

1519
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:47,480
questions of short
multiplication.

1520
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:48,450
Yeah.
And shape.

1521
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:50,650
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So putting it in the back of

1522
01:01:50,660 --> 01:01:53,260
their books is really clear for
us and it's really clear for the

1523
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:55,380
kids as well.
This is your main objective and

1524
01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:57,480
this is.
Learning the learning journey is

1525
01:01:57,490 --> 01:01:59,530
really clear in there, and it's
not.

1526
01:01:59,540 --> 01:02:01,610
We don't write things down in
the book just for Ofsted or to

1527
01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:03,170
show.
We write things down in the book

1528
01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:05,370
for starters.
Because actually, again, this is

1529
01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:08,170
my personal thing.
I think it's way better than

1530
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:11,390
whiteboards, yeah, on a
whiteboard there's no squares,

1531
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,150
there's no presentation to
practise.

1532
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,840
Yeah, presentation is hugely
important in maths and I think

1533
01:02:15,850 --> 01:02:18,560
it's overlooked sometimes
because the amount of marks

1534
01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,130
missed or questions wrong.
Because children can't read

1535
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:23,580
their own writing because it's a
line up that columns properly

1536
01:02:23,710 --> 01:02:24,800
doing.
It in the back of their books.

1537
01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:27,560
It's on paper.
It's on squares constantly.

1538
01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:30,360
And getting the children to
write down their working hours.

1539
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:32,930
It can be very tempting to print
sheets and just write their

1540
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:34,870
answer on the sheets it's
already laid out for them.

1541
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:36,880
Get them to do it every single
day.

1542
01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:40,600
Just a slight slightly higher
level of accountability as well

1543
01:02:40,610 --> 01:02:42,860
for the kids.
I think with whiteboards I do

1544
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:45,680
like the white boys have their
place but when it comes to

1545
01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:48,300
starters that I do actually care
about, like recapping something,

1546
01:02:48,310 --> 01:02:49,480
I want to make sure they've got
it.

1547
01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:53,560
I think when they if if I if me
as a kid right lazy as anything,

1548
01:02:53,610 --> 01:02:57,910
if I knew that in that in 25
seconds the thing on my

1549
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,200
whiteboard is going to be rubbed
out.

1550
01:02:59,250 --> 01:03:01,340
No pride.
I'm putting no effort into that.

1551
01:03:01,350 --> 01:03:03,850
I'm not going to write anything
cause the other it's won't even

1552
01:03:03,860 --> 01:03:06,080
notice, I say to the kids.
It's in your book.

1553
01:03:06,090 --> 01:03:07,340
I'm gonna check through these
after.

1554
01:03:07,870 --> 01:03:10,480
Yeah, I'm gonna check through.
These after I'm gonna take a

1555
01:03:10,490 --> 01:03:13,140
look so you know and and I walk
around every day cause on your

1556
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:15,860
four so team points still matter
and I walk around with my huge

1557
01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:18,380
tub I've got a huge tub of
chambers and I walk around

1558
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:21,000
shaking.
I'm like any anyone I see who's

1559
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:22,540
doing 1 digit power box.
Really neat.

1560
01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:25,720
Yeah, for a team, point on that
and they're like, oh and they're

1561
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:29,100
all doing it, but it's any way
to get the kids to do work

1562
01:03:29,110 --> 01:03:32,320
neatly, practise, do as much as
they can, practise, speed,

1563
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:34,590
practise, writing it down.
You're going to see a benefit in

1564
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,360
the long run.
Kind of separate what we're

1565
01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:37,950
saying, but the kids could show
that.

1566
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,970
Yeah, and.
And that's the expectation of

1567
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:43,270
all children, of all abilities.
They're proud of their work.

1568
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,730
It's neat.
They're doing their best.

1569
01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:46,890
They're doing loads of it.
They feel good in the subject

1570
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:49,310
exactly, which is part of the
cumulative cumulative testing.

1571
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,580
And get anything about that kid
that finds maths really hard.

1572
01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:54,480
And 90% of the content they
can't do not feel good, Not

1573
01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:56,750
gonna feel good for them.
But anyway, so that was kind of

1574
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,070
our 2 1/2 hour experience.
We had the meeting, we had the

1575
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,180
walk around the school, we had a
lot of questions and talking to

1576
01:04:01,190 --> 01:04:04,170
kids, and then he specifically
took kids away and talked to

1577
01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:05,830
them and looked for their book
for about half an hour.

1578
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,460
And that was kind of the the
chunk, wasn't it of time with us

1579
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:11,620
the only.
Other thing extra that was still

1580
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:14,540
to do with maths was he spoke to
teaching assistants and and

1581
01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:17,360
staff at the end of the day,
yeah, but he did that talking

1582
01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:19,000
about history as well, yeah.
Do you know what?

1583
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:20,380
I don't.
I ever spoke to you after this.

1584
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:22,340
He didn't ask a single question
about in the end, did he?

1585
01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:24,420
Not to the staff, No.
He said he would, but he

1586
01:04:24,430 --> 01:04:25,870
obviously didn't.
In the end, he focused on

1587
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,490
something else.
Yeah, I think he's responsive as

1588
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,270
well, yeah.
And I think not to jump the gun

1589
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,620
or anything, but I think he was
quite pleased with what he saw,

1590
01:04:33,630 --> 01:04:36,220
the way he spoke to us.
And you know, we'll see the

1591
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:37,590
report soon, see how it came
out.

1592
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,920
Yeah, but I think probably.
He'll use that.

1593
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:42,440
He uses his time really well.
He was very, very organised,

1594
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:45,480
very strict state his times and
I think they're trained really

1595
01:04:45,490 --> 01:04:48,380
well in actually OK if this
popped up, that's where my time

1596
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:49,220
needs to go to.
Yeah.

1597
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:50,860
So potentially a good.
Thing maybe.

1598
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:53,070
And then in the afternoon he
then deep dives histories, which

1599
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,200
obviously wasn't really to do
with us.

1600
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:55,790
Hilariously, I was teaching
history.

1601
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,010
So he came and observed my
lesson.

1602
01:04:57,020 --> 01:04:58,720
I was thinking I can't get away
from that really.

1603
01:04:58,730 --> 01:05:02,990
Like, yeah, that's fine because
the next day, yeah, yeah, 61

1604
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,910
school trip.
So we went on a school trip and

1605
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,730
I was like, we see everybody.
Reading I'm Off to the RAF

1606
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:11,370
Museum.
Yeah, we got a lot of history,

1607
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:13,080
but yeah, that.
That was, you know, that was our

1608
01:05:13,090 --> 01:05:15,880
experience of Ousted.
Yeah, we get the report soon.

1609
01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:21,840
But I would say that, you know
my my overall kind of idea to

1610
01:05:21,850 --> 01:05:25,790
anyone who's got Ofsted coming
up and is a subject leader.

1611
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:28,730
If you know your stuff, if you
have a rationale, you can

1612
01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:30,990
justify it.
And if you're consistent, Hmm.

1613
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:34,910
You'll be fine, yeah, Unless
you're unlucky enough to get an

1614
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,900
inspector that just isn't of the
same standard.

1615
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:38,970
So that's, that's where, you
know, going back to Mr P's

1616
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:41,290
thing, right the start there is,
you know that that's where the

1617
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:43,980
reform is needed in Ofsted.
Still think it needs reforming,

1618
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:46,910
even though we had a fairly
positive experience personally.

1619
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:53,240
Cool, sweet, sweet Jingle.
Yeah, that's Jingle, right.

1620
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:55,600
I hope you're really enjoying
this extended episode.

1621
01:05:55,890 --> 01:05:57,490
We're not finished.
No, we're not finished.

1622
01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:59,620
That's that's not the end.
We've got more to do because

1623
01:05:59,630 --> 01:06:02,560
we've got a Q&A section because
last week they forgot to

1624
01:06:02,570 --> 01:06:04,940
actually ask.
The questions on Instagram story

1625
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:07,630
out and didn't look, you were
like no 30 minutes till the

1626
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,060
episode.
If you got a burning question,

1627
01:06:09,070 --> 01:06:11,000
get it in now didn't ask
questions.

1628
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:14,010
But before we do that, there is
another thing we're going to do

1629
01:06:14,020 --> 01:06:15,940
first, which is talk about
politics.

1630
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:17,960
Because Dylan hasn't had the
opportunity to talk about

1631
01:06:17,970 --> 01:06:19,980
politics for seven whole days.
I mean, I don't.

1632
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:23,220
Know if, you know, I've had a
child, so yeah, so.

1633
01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:25,540
I was in my own little bubble
and I thought, well, you know,

1634
01:06:25,590 --> 01:06:27,830
I'll go into the world of social
media.

1635
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,030
And he was going on, was
positive about the world.

1636
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,100
See what's going.
Ohh Gillian Keegan, The

1637
01:06:32,110 --> 01:06:35,300
education she's she's tweeted
ohh and there was a nice glossy

1638
01:06:35,310 --> 01:06:38,540
video underneath and I thought,
I wonder if she's announcing a

1639
01:06:38,550 --> 01:06:41,720
new scheme to rebuild our
falling schools or making us up.

1640
01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:44,820
You know how she got boost your
attention by paying us a fair

1641
01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:46,060
way.
Surely that's the job of the

1642
01:06:46,070 --> 01:06:48,160
education secretary, isn't it?
To make it better to be, really.

1643
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:50,290
Positive about teachers?
Let's have a look shall we?

1644
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:52,730
Ohh last year school strikes
resulted in 24.

1645
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,660
Let's talk about strikes.
25,000,000 school days being

1646
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:57,140
lost.
Cumulatively pointless.

1647
01:06:57,150 --> 01:06:58,810
Number really good.
Use of mass.

1648
01:06:58,820 --> 01:07:00,900
There, my friend.
Children should not have to

1649
01:07:00,910 --> 01:07:03,420
suffer repeat disruption.
They shouldn't.

1650
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:05,920
They really shouldn't.
Yeah, it's your job.

1651
01:07:05,970 --> 01:07:08,940
I'm announcing that we will
introduce minimum service levels

1652
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:11,250
in schools so that pupils get
the education they need and

1653
01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:15,080
deserve.
I can't explain how much this

1654
01:07:15,090 --> 01:07:17,030
ripped me up.
Yeah, because.

1655
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:21,560
Anytime this Conservative
government talk about what

1656
01:07:21,570 --> 01:07:25,990
children deserve, umm, I can't
help but want to shout in their

1657
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,910
face.
We know.

1658
01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:31,870
That's why we're striking.
Can we have some more money?

1659
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,850
Please?
Can we have the things that

1660
01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:36,090
you've cut for the last 13
years?

1661
01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:37,970
Children deserve to not be
disrupted.

1662
01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:40,650
Children deserve to not have a
roof fall on their head when

1663
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:43,550
they're learning about maths.
Children deserve to not be in a

1664
01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:47,120
porta cabin for seven years for
a bit, but it's actually for

1665
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:49,650
longer than they expect.
Children deserve to have a

1666
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:52,150
qualified teacher in the subject
teaching them.

1667
01:07:52,220 --> 01:07:54,260
I'd love to know the cumulative
number of the amount of maths

1668
01:07:54,270 --> 01:07:56,750
lessons that I've been taught
and science lessons by teachers

1669
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,910
who aren't qualified in maths or
science.

1670
01:07:59,060 --> 01:08:02,500
So when she talks about what
children deserve, can we just

1671
01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:05,540
sit down for a minute and
actually you do your job and

1672
01:08:05,550 --> 01:08:08,410
give them what they deserve in
the 1st place and not blame us,

1673
01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:10,510
the people who are delivering it
on a shoestring?

1674
01:08:10,580 --> 01:08:14,130
Yeah, I mean, wow, why do you
got really passionate there?

1675
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:16,560
I fully agree, though I think I
found it so offensive because it

1676
01:08:16,569 --> 01:08:18,390
was like what that we were
striking for.

1677
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:20,160
Minimum has to improve where
the.

1678
01:08:20,170 --> 01:08:21,200
Problem.
Yeah.

1679
01:08:21,250 --> 01:08:23,200
Mad, isn't it?
What's minimum service do you

1680
01:08:23,210 --> 01:08:24,729
like?
Minimum service to me is like

1681
01:08:24,790 --> 01:08:26,720
literally a building that
doesn't fall down.

1682
01:08:26,729 --> 01:08:29,899
Minimum service to me is is that
when the class happens to have

1683
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:31,960
four children with additional
needs in it, that they actually

1684
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:34,700
get additional support.
It's not just potluck, not when

1685
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:37,340
you literally apply, apply,
apply, rejected, rejected,

1686
01:08:37,350 --> 01:08:39,109
rejected.
And this is the same government,

1687
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,640
by the way, who are going to put
a cap on how many EHCP's could

1688
01:08:42,649 --> 01:08:45,370
be granted, as if there's a
magic number of children who

1689
01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:47,120
need extra help?
The government didn't want to

1690
01:08:47,130 --> 01:08:50,830
feed children during COVID.
Who needed feeding?

1691
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:52,670
Do you remember when?
Like, these are the kind of

1692
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:56,250
idiots who go stick to football.
Thank you.

1693
01:08:56,260 --> 01:08:58,779
Leave the politics to me.
Who are these people?

1694
01:08:58,790 --> 01:09:01,310
What do you?
Are they qualified in politics?

1695
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,170
No, they're just spout rubbish.
They spout stuff to get the

1696
01:09:04,180 --> 01:09:06,330
Daily Mail front page and just
wind us up.

1697
01:09:06,380 --> 01:09:09,270
Gillian Keegan is the exact
opposite of the analogy I gave

1698
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,609
earlier about what kind of
leader I'd like to be if I was

1699
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:13,810
leading a school.
It's the same thing if I was

1700
01:09:13,819 --> 01:09:17,580
leading the country of teachers.
I'd put the teachers first so

1701
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:20,689
that they do a really, really
good job and improve the minimum

1702
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:23,380
service level that the children
receive if you're.

1703
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:25,960
Going to be in charge of a
government which continuously

1704
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:30,040
strangles any form of funding or
help, not only for the children

1705
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:32,260
who need it the most, but for
everyone.

1706
01:09:32,310 --> 01:09:34,640
Hmm.
And instead spout statistics,

1707
01:09:34,649 --> 01:09:38,060
which are complete nonsense.
We're investing more than ever

1708
01:09:38,069 --> 01:09:41,479
before to our Yeah, but there's
more people than ever before.

1709
01:09:41,490 --> 01:09:43,740
Yeah, like, we have more
teachers than ever in the

1710
01:09:43,750 --> 01:09:46,040
profession.
We have more pupils than ever.

1711
01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:47,740
Yeah, and that's outstripping
with teachers.

1712
01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:50,000
And we have done every single
decade since.

1713
01:09:50,010 --> 01:09:52,560
Humanity like, of course think
increasing.

1714
01:09:52,569 --> 01:09:55,150
I'm sorry.
One government and one out of

1715
01:09:55,160 --> 01:10:01,810
touch MP is not more viable and
trustworthy on this subject than

1716
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,550
hundreds of thousands of
teachers who do it every single

1717
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,460
time.
Get what they expect, They're

1718
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:08,090
just soaking.
Up to have the Education

1719
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:10,950
Secretary demonising the
education so.

1720
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,570
Before this philosophy video, I
don't know when they do these

1721
01:10:13,580 --> 01:10:16,450
videos, these Tory MPs, Sunak
has a video every two days.

1722
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,170
Go on your job, please.
She did this video saying, you

1723
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:22,250
know, we're going to the unions
and we're going to ask them.

1724
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,210
Are voluntary minimum service
level.

1725
01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:27,200
Didn't ask these unions before
she did this video and published

1726
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:28,660
it.
Didn't even go talk to unions

1727
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:32,060
and then she said if they don't
agree I'll just use my powers.

1728
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:34,660
With the new anti strike clause
we have to make sure there are

1729
01:10:34,670 --> 01:10:37,360
minimum service levels.
So it's essentially just the

1730
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:41,580
just bullying threat.
She is a disgrace.

1731
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:45,600
I've never been so angry
listening to someone before who

1732
01:10:45,610 --> 01:10:47,260
was supposed to be in our
corner.

1733
01:10:47,310 --> 01:10:49,800
And now I'm not the biggest fan
of the Conservative government

1734
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:52,200
and I've never hit that right.
But if.

1735
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:55,880
Education Secretary came in and
was remotely on our side and

1736
01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:58,500
wanted to work with us.
I'd be the first person to stand

1737
01:10:58,510 --> 01:11:01,480
up and say thank you.
Let's do this then let's solve

1738
01:11:01,490 --> 01:11:03,060
this.
Because I don't care about

1739
01:11:03,070 --> 01:11:04,790
political point scoring.
Yeah, yeah.

1740
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,840
I think you're rubbish.
You're proving it, by the way,

1741
01:11:06,850 --> 01:11:08,900
that I was right.
But your job to prove that

1742
01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:11,860
people like us are wrong.
It's your job to be in charge

1743
01:11:11,930 --> 01:11:15,620
and come up with solutions that
we can work together on and we

1744
01:11:15,630 --> 01:11:18,250
can be energised by.
You're my boss.

1745
01:11:18,770 --> 01:11:20,860
What?
You're looking at me on this

1746
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:23,980
video going You made children
lose their education.

1747
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:27,070
Get in the bin.
Yeah.

1748
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,710
Winds me up.
Let's hope that if I was, if I

1749
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,720
was the unions being the bitter
man I am and the spiteful man

1750
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:35,620
that I would try and be in this
situation, I would, I would

1751
01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:39,300
draught up a minimum service
agreement that is 100% entirely

1752
01:11:39,310 --> 01:11:41,430
down to the government.
But you're like, OK, this is our

1753
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,170
minimum service agreement that
don't leak.

1754
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,750
And all the things, the stuff
that only the government can

1755
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,490
fix, because they're all the
things that are actually the

1756
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:48,730
problem with the education
sector.

1757
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:51,920
Because all they care about is
that general average show

1758
01:11:51,930 --> 01:11:53,480
doesn't have their kid off
school.

1759
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,900
We haven't enough qualified
teachers, so we're going to used

1760
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:58,390
to pay to make the job more
attractive.

1761
01:11:58,550 --> 01:12:00,340
Ohh there you go teaching.
Pay more minimum service.

1762
01:12:00,350 --> 01:12:02,300
Of having the minimum amount of
children in a school.

1763
01:12:02,350 --> 01:12:04,100
Yeah, that's the first thing we
should do.

1764
01:12:04,190 --> 01:12:05,550
Yeah.
Let's have the minimum amount of

1765
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,960
qualified teachers in the
building.

1766
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:08,720
That would be a good minimum
service level, wouldn't it?

1767
01:12:08,730 --> 01:12:11,080
Yeah, we're going to get more
funding from the government so

1768
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:14,280
we can employ staff to help the
children that are most

1769
01:12:14,290 --> 01:12:16,480
vulnerable and most need that
additional support who are

1770
01:12:16,490 --> 01:12:18,560
failing in our schools at the
moment when they don't have the

1771
01:12:18,570 --> 01:12:20,640
support, Hayden.
All of this requires money and

1772
01:12:20,650 --> 01:12:22,710
input.
Ohh, look, the teachers want

1773
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,230
money again.
Yes, of course we want money.

1774
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,040
Yeah, yeah.
We don't even want.

1775
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:27,830
We don't even want money all the
time, right?

1776
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,490
We just want other people in the
building with us to deliver by

1777
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:31,630
money.
I mean, I mean, they're funding.

1778
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:32,890
Yeah, funding.
That's all I meant.

1779
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:34,730
Don't care about this in my
pocket or not really.

1780
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,520
You know, truthfully, you know
that that is quite low on my

1781
01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:38,990
list.
I still want a inflation pay

1782
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,030
rise, but if you were to tell me
right, there's a choice between

1783
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:46,480
you get 6.5% pay rise and every
child who needs EHCP is fully

1784
01:12:46,490 --> 01:12:49,690
funded and gets the support they
need, or I get a 12% pay rise

1785
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:52,200
but none of the other stuff
happens every single day of the

1786
01:12:52,210 --> 01:12:54,910
week. 99.9% of teachers would
choose the less money.

1787
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,410
But everyone gets support.
Yeah, but.

1788
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:59,980
That's a it's not gonna happen
because she would rather stand

1789
01:12:59,990 --> 01:13:03,130
there and say 25,000,000 days
were lost.

1790
01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:05,140
But what they'll do is though,
and this, this is what always

1791
01:13:05,150 --> 01:13:06,860
happens, the rhetoric is or
what?

1792
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:10,260
No, you take 0% pay rise and
we'll give that money to the

1793
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:11,620
kids.
And it gets to the level where

1794
01:13:11,630 --> 01:13:14,960
it's like, ah, but you've done
that for 10 years and now people

1795
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:17,800
can't afford to take a 0% pay
rise anymore because you've

1796
01:13:17,810 --> 01:13:20,980
whittled it down to the point
where lots of teachers who are

1797
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:23,100
in, you know, everyone has a
different family setup.

1798
01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:26,080
Lots of teachers in their family
are on the absolute line of

1799
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:28,750
every single penny is already
accounted for each month in

1800
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,550
their family, and they literally
now can't afford to take any

1801
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,780
more pay cuts.
Yeah, because it's been cut and

1802
01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:35,900
cut and cut and cut and cut and
and remember.

1803
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:38,270
That 6% pay rise?
Yeah, either pay, you know,

1804
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,070
happened 10 years ago, they had
the option take a 0% pay rise

1805
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,780
and give the money to kids.
Alright, do you have a nine

1806
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:45,640
years ago that again you have
eight years ago that just seven

1807
01:13:45,650 --> 01:13:49,040
years ago it happened for 10
years and now no one has any

1808
01:13:49,050 --> 01:13:51,260
money left so they can't take a
0% pay rise anymore.

1809
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:54,250
That's all it's about, and.
And simultaneously inflation

1810
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:57,860
went to 10% or.
But it's the war, is it?

1811
01:13:57,910 --> 01:14:01,250
Or is it literally?
Or chronic underfunding and

1812
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:04,210
maltreatment of this entire
country.

1813
01:14:04,220 --> 01:14:06,090
Never mind this education
sector.

1814
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,710
Hmm.
It's embarrassing.

1815
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,630
You're blaming the wrong people.
I can't wait until we get to

1816
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,670
vote you out.
But also Dylan 25,000,000 days

1817
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:15,930
were lost.
Oh, really?

1818
01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:19,480
Most of that is a number.
How hilarious.

1819
01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:19,910
I know.
How?

1820
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,440
They got there but like that is
peak government just absolution

1821
01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:28,300
manipulation of you know they
they they never ever manipulate

1822
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:30,640
numbers in a way that's like
normal.

1823
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:33,120
They always manipulate,
manipulate to make their point

1824
01:14:33,130 --> 01:14:34,400
better.
It's really, it's okay.

1825
01:14:34,410 --> 01:14:36,600
Every child must like four or
five days.

1826
01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:41,520
So here we go. 25,000,000 days
of school will also there are

1827
01:14:41,530 --> 01:14:44,100
more teachers than ever.
Also, we're putting more money

1828
01:14:44,110 --> 01:14:46,880
than ever into schools.
But when you literally dive into

1829
01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:48,740
those numbers.
Yeah, they're all bad for the

1830
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:50,460
government.
Yeah, the more money than ever,

1831
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:52,200
OK.
But like, based on how much

1832
01:14:52,210 --> 01:14:56,460
money is now worth, right?
You can't say in the 1970s we've

1833
01:14:56,470 --> 01:15:00,200
put 1 billion into education and
today we put 2 billion in.

1834
01:15:00,310 --> 01:15:02,770
That's not how money works.
Here are two facts that are

1835
01:15:02,780 --> 01:15:05,090
true.
Ready Teachers now earn more

1836
01:15:05,100 --> 01:15:06,660
than teachers that ever and ever
before.

1837
01:15:06,670 --> 01:15:07,760
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah.

1838
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:10,310
Yeah, yeah.
We got ��30,000 starting wage for

1839
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,960
new stuff.
More than ever before is also

1840
01:15:12,970 --> 01:15:16,820
true, comparatively to the
inflation teachers earn the

1841
01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:18,260
least they've ever earned.
Exactly.

1842
01:15:18,270 --> 01:15:20,870
And you can say both of those
sentences and technically be

1843
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,720
true when you're the literal
government it all they care

1844
01:15:24,730 --> 01:15:27,910
about is staying in power.
Umm, all they care about is PR.

1845
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:32,340
Not one of them cares about what
good for this country or the

1846
01:15:32,350 --> 01:15:35,140
people in it.
They only and every now and then

1847
01:15:35,150 --> 01:15:37,880
what's good for the people does
overlap with what's good for

1848
01:15:37,890 --> 01:15:39,690
their PR and stuff.
So they will do that every now

1849
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:41,670
and then.
The vast majority of the time.

1850
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,700
It's just, well, what can be
easier for us to fix all of

1851
01:15:45,710 --> 01:15:48,300
these problems or to point at
the teachers who are at their

1852
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:50,450
last rag?
Of all these problems and say

1853
01:15:50,460 --> 01:15:52,450
your fault.
See your fault, your fault.

1854
01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:54,230
You were off.
And if you weren't off for then

1855
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,010
four days, everything would have
been fine.

1856
01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:56,810
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

1857
01:15:56,820 --> 01:15:58,250
Ohh this.
Would Would the roof have not

1858
01:15:58,260 --> 01:15:59,630
been collapsing?
Did we?

1859
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,490
Did we spend months off school a
couple of years ago and we seem

1860
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,420
to be OK with that.
We've plugged the gaps. 5 days

1861
01:16:06,430 --> 01:16:07,270
though.
Terrible.

1862
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,030
The worst thing that could ever
have happened.

1863
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:11,730
Like, let's not pretend COVID
wasn't bad.

1864
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,790
Like it was.
It was awful, but it was huge in

1865
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,490
comparison to the strike days,
yeah.

1866
01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:17,750
Fix it?
Honestly.

1867
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,160
Let's move on.
We're getting up.

1868
01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:21,520
Let me finish this episode.
There's very, very long episode

1869
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:25,680
with you and last week, So this
Q&A I did ask.

1870
01:16:25,690 --> 01:16:27,920
It last week with half an hour,
yeah.

1871
01:16:29,380 --> 01:16:34,090
I did also just immediately.
Not look at it.

1872
01:16:34,210 --> 01:16:36,180
So I said I'll do it next week,
we'll do it next week.

1873
01:16:36,250 --> 01:16:39,120
So my keynotes, here we go on my
phone, yeah.

1874
01:16:39,130 --> 01:16:42,120
First one, Snickers.
And no stop.

1875
01:16:42,130 --> 01:16:45,800
Sorry the first one.
I've given Hayden one of them

1876
01:16:45,810 --> 01:16:48,780
because it's something I want us
to pre do and again.

1877
01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:50,760
Gonna make this into a real
Hayden.

1878
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:53,020
You need to be on your ball
Please don't do that thing where

1879
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:54,780
I tell you we're gonna do a real
needs to be less than a minute

1880
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:57,360
and you go.
And in the 1st place we have a

1881
01:16:57,370 --> 01:17:01,340
chocolate that I have sometimes
one time and decided I like to

1882
01:17:01,350 --> 01:17:04,290
eat And I'm going to say about
the chocolate, Hey don't I need

1883
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:07,570
to cut this into a minute?
Ohh reels ohh you'll see I asked

1884
01:17:07,580 --> 01:17:09,820
you cause someone said to us can
you rank the celebrations?

1885
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:12,320
In order, it's that time of year
where celebrations start

1886
01:17:12,330 --> 01:17:14,280
appearing in the shops.
We've already gone through two

1887
01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:18,360
boxes in our house, so
celebrations, there's eight in

1888
01:17:18,370 --> 01:17:19,680
total.
I want you to.

1889
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:20,750
Break them.
Hmm.

1890
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,370
OK, From worst to best, reverse
order.

1891
01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:27,090
I've ranked mine.
Off you go.

1892
01:17:27,690 --> 01:17:29,280
Are you gonna guess mine or am I
just doing it?

1893
01:17:29,290 --> 01:17:30,850
Pardon.
I thought you were gonna play a

1894
01:17:30,860 --> 01:17:31,500
game.
No, no.

1895
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:33,410
I want you to go from the top.
From the bottom.

1896
01:17:33,420 --> 01:17:34,580
Down in 8th place.
Worst.

1897
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:35,400
The best.
I got it down.

1898
01:17:35,410 --> 01:17:36,060
You ready?
Yeah.

1899
01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:37,680
Absolute worst.
Disgusting Snickers.

1900
01:17:37,690 --> 01:17:39,560
Correct.
Followed by bounty.

1901
01:17:39,610 --> 01:17:40,870
Absolutely right.
Could eat it.

1902
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:42,220
Could eat it.
Twix.

1903
01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:44,720
Same.
Nice, but Mars?

1904
01:17:44,770 --> 01:17:48,120
Correct.
Milky Way, yes.

1905
01:17:48,430 --> 01:17:50,710
Oh my God that we're in the nice
territory now.

1906
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,660
Walk away is nice Galaxy
caramel.

1907
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:55,650
Swear to God I got the same
Galaxy.

1908
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:01,370
Nice one, Multi.
Right on the screen I have

1909
01:18:01,380 --> 01:18:02,340
written this.
You can't even.

1910
01:18:02,350 --> 01:18:05,260
See it I've written down, I've
got the exact same order.

1911
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:09,260
The exact same as Bounty Twix,
Mars, Milky Way, Galaxy, Caramel

1912
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:10,700
Galaxy.
I Really wanted to call you out.

1913
01:18:10,710 --> 01:18:12,360
I thought you gonna say
something Bounty second there.

1914
01:18:12,370 --> 01:18:13,660
You go, that's the definitive
list.

1915
01:18:13,670 --> 01:18:15,570
Then if anyone disagrees with
that, you're wrong.

1916
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:18,770
Let us know in the comments.
But that is 100% of people think

1917
01:18:18,780 --> 01:18:21,640
that.
Do you know I wouldn't have to

1918
01:18:21,650 --> 01:18:25,410
say I thought we would because
we eat a lot of sweets and me

1919
01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:28,330
and you will consistently eat
the same ones and then be left

1920
01:18:28,340 --> 01:18:31,140
with the ones we don't like.
So it happens a lot.

1921
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:33,930
Man, I was really hoping to
controversy, but we've just.

1922
01:18:33,940 --> 01:18:37,360
Decided the definitive list.
Didn't know if anyone asks and

1923
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:38,380
they don't say that.
They're not.

1924
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:40,030
The only one that's
controversial is Snickers.

1925
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,970
Because I know that people that
like like nutty things will

1926
01:18:42,980 --> 01:18:44,290
often rank that quite a lot
higher.

1927
01:18:44,340 --> 01:18:46,190
But if you don't like it,
obviously it goes to the bottom.

1928
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,090
Don't like nuts?
That's this tends to be how a

1929
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:49,100
list works.
Or preference.

1930
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:50,340
Yeah, if you.
Don't like them?

1931
01:18:50,350 --> 01:18:51,850
No.
Nothing like Mars bars.

1932
01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:54,470
Like, nuts are very like, nuts.
Make something.

1933
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,030
Yeah, especially if you're
allergic to them.

1934
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,660
Yeah, exactly.
That's why.

1935
01:18:57,670 --> 01:18:58,650
Sneakers.
Often at the bottom?

1936
01:18:58,660 --> 01:19:01,090
Yeah, I was actually gonna put
Bounty bottom below Snickers,

1937
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:02,270
even though I'm.
Allergic to Snickers?

1938
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,490
Really.
Because I hate Bounty Bounty.

1939
01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:06,850
But I don't like them.
They're just when they're there.

1940
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:08,160
Yeah.
And it's been 4 days of no

1941
01:19:08,170 --> 01:19:09,620
chocolate nothing left.
Yeah.

1942
01:19:09,630 --> 01:19:11,410
I'll start picking up the
boundaries we've got.

1943
01:19:11,420 --> 01:19:12,880
We've got the definitive list.
Yeah.

1944
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:13,640
I'm buzzing.
I'm.

1945
01:19:13,650 --> 01:19:14,880
Actually buzzing.
Definitive list.

1946
01:19:14,890 --> 01:19:17,020
My gosh, my microphone just came
off.

1947
01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:20,740
What are you standing?
Here we go.

1948
01:19:21,150 --> 01:19:22,500
Ohh dear.
Right, Hayden.

1949
01:19:22,510 --> 01:19:25,380
Should we carry on with the Q&A?
Ohh, no, I wanna watch you

1950
01:19:25,390 --> 01:19:26,870
struggle first.
Ohh, it's back.

1951
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,360
And he didn't quite easily.
OK And what else we got them.

1952
01:19:29,370 --> 01:19:31,600
OK.
So Q&A, let me get it back up.

1953
01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:34,900
We have got sorry to everyone,
by the way, who sent one in?

1954
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:37,800
I did answer a few.
OK Claire, I went through then

1955
01:19:39,060 --> 01:19:40,280
just.
For the notes.

1956
01:19:40,290 --> 01:19:43,790
OK, so roses, Roses.
Ohh God ohh God, what do you

1957
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,010
buy?
OK, there's there's a quick one.

1958
01:19:45,020 --> 01:19:46,350
Here we go.
Because the choice is

1959
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,090
realistically, are heroes.
Yeah.

1960
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:50,950
Celebrations, Roses and Quality
St Yeah, they're the four.

1961
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,530
Honestly Roses and Quality
Street.

1962
01:19:53,660 --> 01:19:56,540
But don't think.
About, think about, these are

1963
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:57,470
quite nice.
No, no, no.

1964
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:59,820
When you go into the shop, slide
tackle them, slide tackle.

1965
01:19:59,830 --> 01:20:04,610
That pallet horrible quality St
and rubbish.

1966
01:20:04,660 --> 01:20:07,830
But I would say quality St 4th
Rose's third.

1967
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:12,000
Probably this is where it's
tough because I bought.

1968
01:20:12,010 --> 01:20:15,120
A celebration box, right?
But I think heroes are better.

1969
01:20:15,130 --> 01:20:16,940
Yeah, me too.
Me too.

1970
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:19,550
However, I eat.
No, actually, it's true.

1971
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,860
I eat everything in the hero box
and enjoy it.

1972
01:20:21,870 --> 01:20:23,880
Yeah, that's.
True, but I think the individual

1973
01:20:23,890 --> 01:20:25,600
top tier celebrations are
better.

1974
01:20:25,670 --> 01:20:30,560
Yeah, so Martiza, Galaxy Galaxy
Caramel, Top Tier, Creme Egg and

1975
01:20:30,570 --> 01:20:33,350
Caramel though Cream heroes, you
have them at your house every

1976
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,560
day like very very quickly ate
all of those good ones.

1977
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,880
Yeah, honestly, in.
Front of him was 3 creme egg

1978
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:43,950
wrappers, 3 camera rappers and I
was like, are you joking?

1979
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,540
You only got 3 in the pack.
Yeah, none.

1980
01:20:47,550 --> 01:20:49,490
None of this.
I have one, unless someone no.

1981
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:55,350
Anyway, question answer good.
Yeah, OK, First one's advice.

1982
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,620
It was a real one.
OK, advice for someone who in

1983
01:20:58,630 --> 01:21:00,290
the school has been put into a
year group.

1984
01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:04,010
They really don't want to be in
a really long hair coming out

1985
01:21:04,020 --> 01:21:07,490
between your eyebrows and it's
amazing nice thought the light

1986
01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:10,610
grow that we'll grow that grow
that angler fish Yeah it's

1987
01:21:10,620 --> 01:21:13,490
really good Sorry got distracted
Advice for someone in a year

1988
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:15,670
group in school has been put
there and they really don't want

1989
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,950
to be in that year group quite
common because the start of the

1990
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,230
school year we need to move you
to.

1991
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:22,660
Be one if you're in a free
school.

1992
01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:25,660
I found that if you just go to
another year group and start

1993
01:21:25,670 --> 01:21:28,560
teaching the class, eventually
they just leave you alone.

1994
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:30,460
Would you just take someone
else's class?

1995
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:32,740
Just go and teach other aspect
here?

1996
01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:35,600
No, I was put here.
That's probably my advice to

1997
01:21:35,610 --> 01:21:37,780
just ignore it.
I mean, you're 3.

1998
01:21:37,950 --> 01:21:40,020
I don't know what my advice is.
Do you have advice for that

1999
01:21:40,030 --> 01:21:44,760
person would say is #1.
It's unfortunate, but it's.

2000
01:21:44,770 --> 01:21:47,680
Completely legitimate, Yeah.
Like I I would say in the 1st

2001
01:21:47,690 --> 01:21:50,430
place I'd be like unless a
leader really has to.

2002
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,850
That's pretty annoying because I
think most good leaders ask what

2003
01:21:53,860 --> 01:21:56,250
your preference is and then
would preface it with a

2004
01:21:56,260 --> 01:21:57,930
discussion if they had to put
you somewhere.

2005
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,180
I've been put into a year group
that wasn't necessarily my first

2006
01:22:00,190 --> 01:22:03,410
choice, but I did what I was
asked and I did say you know

2007
01:22:03,420 --> 01:22:05,150
what?
Anywhere that's necessary.

2008
01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:07,150
Turned out I was the only one
who said that I went to.

2009
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,580
The hard thing is I don't know
if this person is in that

2010
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:11,290
situation.
When you do have that

2011
01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:14,090
preference, but you say one
thing so some sometimes the

2012
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:16,330
teacher, head teacher come round
and be like where do you wanna

2013
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:17,730
be?
I only wanna work in your five.

2014
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,350
Yeah, it's OK.
You're not really giving them

2015
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,630
much choice now because if they
can't put you in that one thing,

2016
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:23,920
then to them, well, they're all
equally bad.

2017
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:25,730
So I'll put you in the worst one
because you might have thought

2018
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:26,970
year four would be fine, but
God, no.

2019
01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:28,030
Year one.
Yeah, I often.

2020
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,110
Ranked ahead.
No idea if you've got a

2021
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,910
preference I think in this
situation.

2022
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,770
It was a primary school and the
person had been put into key

2023
01:22:34,780 --> 01:22:38,300
stage one and they're very much
preferring had donkeys these

2024
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:40,600
two.
My advice was a lot of this

2025
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:43,750
stuff transferable.
You know, put yourself into it.

2026
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:44,660
Do it.
You're good at.

2027
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:46,900
Teach the children and build
relationships quickly.

2028
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:49,010
I think you build different
types of relationships depending

2029
01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:49,960
on the age.
Yeah.

2030
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:51,900
But I think that's still the
number one thing I would say for

2031
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:53,700
me to enjoy my job.
Right.

2032
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,280
What I enjoy in my job is
building relationships with the

2033
01:22:56,290 --> 01:22:58,130
children.
I know them really well, and

2034
01:22:58,140 --> 01:22:59,980
then they can get as much out of
me as possible.

2035
01:22:59,990 --> 01:23:02,660
That's how I feel good in my
teaching job is when I feel like

2036
01:23:02,670 --> 01:23:05,420
I'm giving lots.
I'd say do that and also speak

2037
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:07,750
to the head teacher and just be
really honest with if they can

2038
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,570
see that you're trying your
hardest and you're really not

2039
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:12,040
enjoying that role and you think
you could do a better job in

2040
01:23:12,050 --> 01:23:13,810
another year, make that clear.
Show the evidence.

2041
01:23:13,820 --> 01:23:15,260
I think I performed better in
this group.

2042
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:18,110
I'll get better outcomes.
Maybe next year I can, you know,

2043
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,630
move back and just see what they
say and don't kick up a fuss and

2044
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,210
not give you all.
Because that gives them a reason

2045
01:23:24,220 --> 01:23:25,490
then, to be like.
Well, it's your fault.

2046
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:27,890
Actually, you're not.
You're not even trying to throw

2047
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:29,590
yourself into it if it's not for
you.

2048
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,810
Hopefully next year.
Your head will understand that

2049
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:37,970
next one made me laugh was have
you ever been tempted to join in

2050
01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:40,620
playground games on break duty
when the children are playing

2051
01:23:40,630 --> 01:23:42,720
like you used to?
Like you used to.

2052
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:44,950
You know, when you were in
school, I used to play Bulldog.

2053
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,390
I really want to join.
Ohh yeah.

2054
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,110
Yeah.
Well I I used to a lot and when

2055
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:49,760
we started our career, I think
you probably did as well.

2056
01:23:49,770 --> 01:23:52,900
I used to go out quite a lot at
lunchtimes and just mingle with

2057
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:54,930
the kids a bit like me.
Yeah, it was.

2058
01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:56,390
I think it was like that, but I
would.

2059
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,130
I'd go and play football with
them all the time.

2060
01:23:58,140 --> 01:24:00,310
I don't do it at all anymore.
I just leave him alone.

2061
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,150
I just realised I don't think
they actually want.

2062
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,310
You to Of course they don't.
They don't want that teacher.

2063
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:06,430
They wanna go and play.
They'll be.

2064
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:07,460
Nice to you.
And pretend.

2065
01:24:07,470 --> 01:24:08,900
Ohh, Sir, I'll pass you the
ball.

2066
01:24:08,910 --> 01:24:10,120
Really.
They just want they're they're

2067
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:11,480
they're mate.
Who was gonna get the ball?

2068
01:24:12,490 --> 01:24:14,060
I could have, you know, scored
whatever.

2069
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:19,220
What age do you think that?
People, when they get a break,

2070
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:22,960
stop thinking that sprinting as
fast as they can is the way to

2071
01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:24,930
have a break because it always
makes me laugh.

2072
01:24:24,940 --> 01:24:27,720
When you're like, right kids,
it's break time and they Sprint

2073
01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:30,310
and scream out the door and if
you say to me it's breakdown

2074
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,690
like, OK, thank you.
Sit down for a drink?

2075
01:24:32,740 --> 01:24:34,150
Yeah.
And what, at what point do you

2076
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,410
think sprinting is not the first
thing I reckon I've.

2077
01:24:38,420 --> 01:24:40,510
I think I probably did that.
Like all that.

2078
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,440
I was like, yeah, most because,
yeah, yeah, yeah, all the

2079
01:24:44,450 --> 01:24:46,100
secondary school.
I would say that the idea of

2080
01:24:46,110 --> 01:24:48,010
running around was like, quite
good.

2081
01:24:48,020 --> 01:24:50,690
You imagine it like the staff
room got a treadmill.

2082
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:55,420
That break time.
Yeah.

2083
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:59,620
Ohh it just makes me laugh.
Although, although, if that was

2084
01:24:59,630 --> 01:25:01,200
the culture.
As in if there was a culture of

2085
01:25:01,210 --> 01:25:03,860
imagine it what break?
No, just just hang on, right.

2086
01:25:03,870 --> 01:25:05,050
Imagine it.
Break time, right.

2087
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,700
It was just the thing that all
the staff and outside and played

2088
01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:10,820
like a really funny silly game
of like tag or like dodgeball or

2089
01:25:10,830 --> 01:25:12,270
something and that was the
option.

2090
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,370
Or you can go and sit in the
staff room.

2091
01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:15,400
I think I'd probably choose the
dodge I think would be quite

2092
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:16,770
fun.
Just can't get English prep.

2093
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:19,810
Then yeah, what is break?
And it would be one time, then,

2094
01:25:19,820 --> 01:25:20,750
the novelty.
Aware of.

2095
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:24,620
OK, so I guess the answer is
yes.

2096
01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:27,470
Tempted.
But I'm like, no, I've got other

2097
01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:31,070
things to do, but I do see them
play Bulldog and it's such a

2098
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,790
simple game.
I'm like as you watch them trip

2099
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,640
over on I always get banned.
And yeah, I know why people get.

2100
01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:40,850
That time where people, sort of
people who are, you know,

2101
01:25:40,860 --> 01:25:42,470
classic people who aren't in
schools, hear a story.

2102
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:45,290
I think it's almost impossible.
People thought British Bulldog

2103
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:47,550
was being banned because it was
called the British Bulldog.

2104
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,480
Like because ohh British, Yeah,
yeah.

2105
01:25:50,490 --> 01:25:52,270
And this whole thing, ohh I
can't even have.

2106
01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:54,580
British things anymore in the
stores?

2107
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:57,240
No, it's just because the amount
of kids who fall over and graze

2108
01:25:57,250 --> 01:25:59,360
their knee, Yeah, we don't have
enough ice packs to match their

2109
01:25:59,370 --> 01:26:00,560
faces.
It honestly, it's horrendous.

2110
01:26:00,570 --> 01:26:02,660
I've seen it first hand multiple
times, yeah.

2111
01:26:03,130 --> 01:26:06,500
Then we stop playing this game.
I'd love to join in, but it's

2112
01:26:06,510 --> 01:26:10,000
not safe kids, so yeah.
Safety first.

2113
01:26:10,110 --> 01:26:12,830
Also, just one quick one, Deputy
Head said to us a long, long

2114
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,760
time ago.
You got to be really careful

2115
01:26:14,770 --> 01:26:16,490
because you're responsible.
If you're playing Bulldog with

2116
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:19,580
the kids and you actually ran
into one of them and seriously

2117
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:21,260
hurt them, you're losing your
job.

2118
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:24,710
Like that's gone.
So maybe just don't put yourself

2119
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,320
in the situation situation next
one.

2120
01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:29,750
I thought this was a good one.
Do I know?

2121
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,990
I think I know your answer.
And this is someone from someone

2122
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,350
who we're gonna have in the
podcast soon.

2123
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:36,930
We're gonna have more of a
discussion there.

2124
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:43,700
Do teachers need to be readers?
Ohh, I think we should.

2125
01:26:43,710 --> 01:26:46,340
I'm gonna answer it very simply,
but I actually really wanna talk

2126
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:48,190
to Yeah, the guest about that
question.

2127
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,260
That's a really good one.
Yeah, here we go.

2128
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:52,240
This will just be a prompt then
for the conversation.

2129
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:55,680
No, that's interesting because I
think like.

2130
01:26:55,690 --> 01:26:57,980
Every good question.
We're gonna have to clarify what

2131
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:59,780
we mean here.
If I said yes, I would be

2132
01:26:59,790 --> 01:27:01,020
telling myself I'm a bad
teacher.

2133
01:27:01,030 --> 01:27:05,040
So it's not the same as Do
teachers need to be able to?

2134
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:05,900
Read.
Yeah.

2135
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:08,140
Do teachers need to be exposed
to lots of books?

2136
01:27:08,530 --> 01:27:12,640
That's all different questions.
Do teachers have to be readers?

2137
01:27:12,650 --> 01:27:15,420
I think my really really short
like summary answer that's a bit

2138
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:19,420
more than no would just be.
I think statistically you're

2139
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:23,380
more likely to be a much better
teacher of if you of of reading

2140
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:26,100
and writing if you read a lot
yourself.

2141
01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:28,600
But I don't think those things
are mutually exclusive.

2142
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:32,970
I don't think you have to to
still be able to be a good one

2143
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:34,990
way to be able to say you're a
good teacher, I'd.

2144
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,620
Like to think I'm not.
Yeah, and I don't get into the

2145
01:27:37,630 --> 01:27:39,700
conversation.
We'll do it next time, TuneIn,

2146
01:27:39,770 --> 01:27:42,590
when we're not next episode,
whenever we have this guest on

2147
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,660
soon, which will be the next
guest, I presume.

2148
01:27:44,670 --> 01:27:46,490
Maybe, I don't know, one of the
next guests?

2149
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:47,790
We'll see.
We've got a few lined up.

2150
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,910
How exciting.
Yeah, that's the end of the Q&A.

2151
01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:51,410
I enjoyed that.
Ohh cool.

2152
01:27:51,420 --> 01:27:53,550
That's really abrupt.
That's the end of the Q&A.

2153
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,790
Bye.
It's been a long episode.

2154
01:27:58,380 --> 01:28:01,410
I've enjoyed it.
Yeah, hopefully people get

2155
01:28:01,420 --> 01:28:03,290
something out of that.
He was unhinged, though.

2156
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,510
Wasn't unhinged.
No, it was quite serious today.

2157
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,090
I do have.
An unhinged story about my son.

2158
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,970
I've got a son.
Ohh yeah, we'll save it for next

2159
01:28:09,980 --> 01:28:11,590
time.
OK, that's good.

2160
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:12,960
TuneIn next week to teach the
repeat.

2161
01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:14,490
Where can they check us out,
Dylan, before we go because

2162
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:17,610
we're terrible at plugging our
Instagram teach repeat podcast

2163
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,290
on threads.
Teach, Podcast and you can

2164
01:28:20,300 --> 01:28:24,230
e-mail us.repeatpod@gmail.com We
had a lovely couple of emails

2165
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,860
this week from listeners.
Not even giving us stories.

2166
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:28,640
Just when we say we wanna hear
you say hi.

2167
01:28:28,650 --> 01:28:31,560
Yeah, we literally do love to
hear you say you say hi.

2168
01:28:31,630 --> 01:28:33,830
Yeah.
If you can rate US on on all

2169
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your podcast platforms, that
would be really helpful.

2170
01:28:36,610 --> 01:28:38,520
If people ranking up share it as
well.

2171
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:40,160
Yeah, share the podcast with
someone.

2172
01:28:40,230 --> 01:28:42,120
It's half term.
Share it.

2173
01:28:42,210 --> 01:28:44,160
But we are trying to grow an
audience, so we do appreciate

2174
01:28:44,170 --> 01:28:44,650
it.
Thank you.

2175
01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:46,430
And we love you all.
OK.

2176
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:49,430
Well, most of you, yeah.
OK.

2177
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Bye.

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