Ep 30: Is Behaviour Getting Worse?

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Do You Sleep?
Repeat.

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My name is.
Dylan and my name is Hayden

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Hammer back in the room.
In the room sitting down this

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time in the studio, Yeah.
Is it down this time because

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he's got a long old day?
First thing Dylan did, I was

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setting up how you came in,
walked in, not hello, allegedly.

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Nothing.
I've made him a drink, left it

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there for him.
Can we sit down this week?

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Let me sound like a six year old
builder.

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He did.
You can sit down and shut up.

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I don't wanna stand up.
We had some feedback though from

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last week, didn't we?
Yeah, My favourite bit of

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feedback was, firstly there was
some nice stuff you're like, oh,

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you know, it's more
conversational.

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Yeah, having more of a chance,
more natural.

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We're not like waiting for like
the two second zoom today.

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Yeah, but my favourite one was
how someone told me that you

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look so incredibly bored and
disinterested when I'm talking

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because it's on the screen,
there's no cutting out anymore.

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I can't get rid of it.
I usually I love the idea that

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you were doing it there, but
like.

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I have no idea what you just
said.

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No idea.
Just apparently you just like

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like like you just make the
cameras off.

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You know what?
Still.

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On it's not the first time I've
had feedback that my general

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thinking and listening failure
is so like resting like.

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Like, I don't even mean to be
rude.

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Sometimes.
I am just so sometimes I am

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zoned down.
I am being rude, but you don't

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know it.
They do know it.

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Yeah, the point?
Other times, yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, so exactly yeah.
And by the way, so much better.

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I feel like I'm just having a
chat.

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The mood has changed.
I do wonder if the other bit of

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feedback I got as well was no,
no, no, OK no, it was on and

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we're probably already take it
now was, but we do it normally

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in different rooms.
Yeah, it's it's a bit more like

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proper, like more of a
conversation, whereas they said

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it's good or bad, but it's
definitely way more like we're

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just being silly like in.
School.

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I'm not.
I mean, that's probably a thing.

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But I'm not sure how much of
that is the situation of us

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being in here, and how much of
that is if you listen to every

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single episode, I would say we
steadily have become.

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Anymore, you're going back and
listen to episode one.

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Honestly, it's fine.
We could Episode one.

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Hello Haygen, what do you think
about education?

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Ohh well Dylan, I'm actually
thinking that it wasn't quite a

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state right now, isn't it?
And now we're like God teaching.

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I love it and it's exhausting
and we also hate it.

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But yeah, that that was the
generic feedback.

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It just really made me laugh.
Was like it was quite positive

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but but it just really
pinpointed.

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Yeah, absolutely.
It's.

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I just know that face and what
made me think of was how we are

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effectively shadow banned, right
from being in the same year

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group in any school we work in.
There's not like an official

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role.
Yeah, but I think it's good for

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both of us.
I think we both agree because do

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you remember those days when we
were in the same year group?

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Yeah, I remember, because you
just throw stuff.

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I think that's what I remember
being in the same year group

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that I don't know about anyone
else.

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But when I look at this I just,
I just think of target paint

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one.
It wasn't hard, so it was like a

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soft like dodgeball.
One of the kids got me to turn

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round yesterday and honestly I'm
not joking, just said see, he's

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got hair at the back, that's
what I did.

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And obviously, like a mug I just
went what turned round.

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And because they would be like
they're nice glass.

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I'm not gonna lie, We haven't.
Yeah, really.

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Answer baby bouncer.
And yeah, I was just like, but

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to me, what I love about that is
it kind of insinuates that

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they're just having a
conversation.

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Should have been doing the work
they're doing your hair minute

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like you're the teacher, Jesse.
I'm like no regard for you

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whatsoever.
One of them's like one a little

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bit of money.
They had a bet on it.

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Yeah, ohh damn it.
That's my lunch.

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Does have hair in the back.
Someone got their gammon anyway,

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that was the feedback from last
night was pretty cool.

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I I actually.
In the end I went up and down

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like a roller coaster on mine.
Boyment of being face to face.

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I think I prefer it.
And it feels more like we're

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just having a chat and it feels
like, well, those year four days

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where where we come round and
we're in the same school, yeah,

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And in the same year group.
And we would just spend 2 hours

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talking and then be moaned about
being stressed, whereas now we

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spend 0 hours talking and still
learning about being stressed.

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So that's how far teachers come,
yeah?

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Teachers got way better anyway.
Yep. age-old question.

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What's the catch up on this
week?

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Because I already know what
you're gonna say.

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I already know what you gonna
talk about because it's been my

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own week.
How was your week?

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True.
Fantastic.

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Just like your week, there's
been stress free.

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Umm, your face.
We'll get to my week.

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It's been good.
I think we're gonna talk

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obviously about behaviour and
stuff later, but just a little

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things.
My class are just lovely and you

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taught these this cohort before
as we said last week, so I'm

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just, I'm just in the way
they're lovely.

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Send it somewhere, I don't know
where or when We'll talk about

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that.
Later Yeah, yeah, OK.

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But yeah, the the main point is
the school band.

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So we just talking about our
banter.

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We're shadow banned from being
in the same year group.

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Definitely true.
Can see why, because when we're

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not causing complete chaos this,
these last two weeks, I feel

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like I should start with my
story of the lunch hall and we

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go from there.
OK.

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That was the most because we'll
bring in the customers like I

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was brought in customers back to
calling you back.

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Yeah.
Someone messages the other day

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in reference themselves a
customer.

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Ohh, brilliant.
Yeah.

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So I'm gonna bring the viewers
on a journey with me because.

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I am the listeners.
Dylan as well.

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Yeah, sorry, you're right.
But it's stressful week,

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alright.
Anyway, I walk into the lunch

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hall to have lunch with the
children and it's kind of moved.

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Around like timings and stuff.
Why do you do that by the way?

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I never actually asked what like
we all have lunch in the staff

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room.
Why do you eat all Well, I get a

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school dinner.
I just a free one.

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It's free.
Ohh if you eat with the kids.

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It's not why I get it.
I can afford a lunch.

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But I, you know, remember I said
in the podcast, I'm not sure.

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You know, he said every week
about how you should have your

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lunch prepared so you're not
stressed at lunchtime.

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Yeah.
Didn't do it.

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Yeah.
So one way to get around that is

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you get free lunch, just jump
the queue, go in, get free lunch

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10 minutes, eat it, and then.
Go I didn't do any of those tips

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that I gave.
You don't.

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So we have a fraud actually.
If you want to go, if you want

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to see how much of forces we
are, then yeah, go back and

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listen to that episode where we
give you advice that we don't

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follow.
Anyway, prepared lunch slash

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code is guaranteed for every
dinner and just sat with the

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kids.
One, because I think you get it

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for free if you with the kids.
But two also, it's just nice.

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Yeah, like it's.
Just and I love you, this

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cohort.
Honestly, honestly.

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Idolise him.
I don't.

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I don't mean to.
Like, I'm not trying to sound.

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I'm gonna sound like I'm being
arrogant.

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Yeah, I wish you are.
I am incredibly arrogant.

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But honestly, walk into that
hall with the with the fives and

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sixes who are taught in the last
couple of years and I can't go

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past the table without a kid
wanted to talk to me, but I I

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love it.
It's nice.

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Anyway, So I sat down chatting
to him and I sat down and this

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is what happened though.
They're coming up to me and I'm

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like, no, what?
They're like, no, no, they're

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coming up to me to say just to
Stevens.

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Mr Steve Mr Steve and like what?
Why has he done?

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And they're like and and then
there's one guy I told the

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deputy head.
Literally said to him, I'm.

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I'm just.
I just want to let you know that

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Mister Stevens just finds any
opportunity to mention Mr. Price

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in the lessons.
And I just.

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I'm just, you know I'm just
wanna let you know.

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I just wanna tell you so only
the kids come up to me.

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You wanna talk to Mr Stephen?
You've been talking about you.

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He's been talking about you.
Turns out I'm the hook for any

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kind of creative writing that
happens.

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In that you're pretty much so I
obviously go and find Hayden and

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Hayden, please, please allude to
the elicitors as to what's been

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happening in this.
Last.

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Well, not much.
Just like basically any.

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The English lesson,
particularly, and maths

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actually.
Any lesson lesson where there's

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anything I can model or I'm just
noticing that they're starting

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to build up a bit like remember
20 minutes into our

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prepositions.
That's boring and I'm just like,

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I just want to.
I just want to spice it up for

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five seconds to try and get
their attention.

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Of course it's it's at the
detriment of this guy.

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And today, for example, we were
writing sentences with colon to

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introduce a list.
And of course I gave them a

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prompt which was.
Something like I just saw Mr.

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Price and was terrified or
something like that.

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Something about him, and they
had to come up with the reasons

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why.
I believe this list like that's

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the thing.
It's jokes aside, it is.

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Like great and engaging for
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Like they do write some good
stuff and then I'm like, ohh,

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you can't.
They wanna be funny that you

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want to be funny.
I'm like, you know you can't

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read it out if it's not right.
Let's be punctuated correctly.

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It's spelled correctly.
You've used in conjunction.

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That doesn't make sense.
Which makes sense.

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I want to read this out.
Make it a laugh about how much

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the price is.
Is Shrek, You know, Yeah, it was

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an ogre.
That.

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That was a theme, Yeah.
And we called you an ogre.

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You.
Well, today you were you were

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wearing a mum's bikini.
Yeah, apparently.

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OK, and which the kids obviously
been hilarious?

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Brilliant.
Yeah.

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But did they do some good
writing?

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They did some good writing.
That's really good.

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I was really impressed and I
heard about this, I heard about

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this story and I thought,
alright, OK, no problem.

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Knowing that these kids can very
quickly turn.

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I've got a lot of credit with
these kids.

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So yeah, so I made I'm going to
post on Instagram.

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I went away and basically I sat
at lunch time and plotted with

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these children.
They were telling me and I was

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like, how can we get him?
How can we get back?

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Could you just get it?
I was like, OK, you know, I'm

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going to do, I'm going to make
you, I'm gonna make a few of

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your bookmark right, You know?
Like what?

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Did you tell them you were
gonna?

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Yeah, I'm gonna make a bookmark,
OK.

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And I'm gonna put Mr Stevens
face.

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On it.
It's gonna be a funny face.

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They'll know.
And they're like, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, you should do that.
You should do that.

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So today I made four bookmarks.
Postman Instagram at Street with

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Peapod.
Cost on Instagram you want to go

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and see what the bookmarks look
like, but it's just like a card

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for you, like making a silly
face.

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And it's a YouTube video, yeah,
YouTube video at the bottom.

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It just said when you read your
cliffhanger in your favourite

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book and you're like and I made
sure to put your face at the

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top, so just hang up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So to give them to these four
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apparently to year six.
And I said hide them.

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Just put them in your book and
I'll see them at some point.

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And apparently they all did it.
Yeah, they did.

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So they were in my class at that
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So we do it like a carousel
afternoon every now and then.

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So I had all the whole year
group this afternoon and I

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happened to have those four
children at that time.

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First let's first session and
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And I do love moments like this,
like these are really special to

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me, seeing kids come back in
pure like.

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Pure joy.
Exactly like the like they will

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remember that they'll laugh
about it for weeks.

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Yeah, like, absolutely.
Like one girl came in and she

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was like bright red and trying
so hard not to laugh and like

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wet herself laughing and and and
I was also aware that I wasn't a

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lesson as well.
So I was like, I knew that he'd

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done something funny.
So I thought, right, I'm going

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to let them do their thing.
But right now because I actually

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am teaching.
So I was like, come sit down.

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And I knew that that fit with
their theme.

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They're all hiding something
anyway, So I just pretended.

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But come on, sit back down.
Get on with it.

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And then, yeah, maybe like 1015
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of forgotten.
I'm not gonna lie.

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I would just got into the lesson
and I was like, walking around

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the tables and there's one boy
who's really funny.

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I really like this guy.
He's so funny.

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Just just had this bookmark just
like just perfectly poking out

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where she just put there
because, you know, was going

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around and he was like,
pretending to do it.

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Like.
Yeah, just sort of moved this

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bit like this as I'm walking
past it just moved this book

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with his hand and I saw the
thing poking out and I was like,

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what is this now?
Well I really like just went

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mental, you know?
Ohh, it was fun, but right, this

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is what they don't like.
You don't teach it in in

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university and stuff, right?
It is those moments like right

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now, I'm not gonna lie, I've
been incredibly stressed and

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we'll talk about.
I have just been so stressed

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this week.
Yeah, but that like little

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snippet there is genuinely
making heart full of like

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laughter, enjoyment.
Like it's just is genuinely so

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funny.
And the the thought of those

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kids like what is actually like
maybe this is controversial,

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right?
But the I think those kids today

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got more out of that than
anything else they did all day.

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But for them personally, yeah, I
mean, that's me.

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OK.
Yeah, sure.

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They learn how to order numbers
up to six.

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Digits, But they don't care.
Yeah, sure, they learn, you

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know, the the, the, the wives of
Henry the Eighth, whatever it is

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they were doing.
Yeah.

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But realistically that that
moment of like those connections

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in your head of laughter and joy
and enjoying themselves but long

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term was to have an effect on
their bond.

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And and I know it's a joke for
you, but it's still they only

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find it funny because they
respect.

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You.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Love you.

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It was.
It was at the.

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Was at the cost of maybe 60
seconds, umm, of a less than

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genuine.
And that's realistically like

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all it actually took up.
Because after about 60 seconds

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we thought we we'd had our laugh
and then we did just get back to

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what we were doing, right?
And I would say that 60 seconds

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was worth it, absolutely worth
it.

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It's like 60 seconds more of
learning maybe, But I think that

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had a bigger impact overall
because I think teaching, I

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always have thought this is just
a big psychological game.

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And I know I've said this
before, I'm just repeating

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myself, but I think our job is
to get.

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Children to enjoy learning and
if we have to forge situations

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where they attribute their time
in a classroom, learning with.

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I like that.
It was fun.

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Yeah, genuinely.
I think making those links yeah,

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long term is going to serve
those people better.

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It's like, OK, do you remember
learning as a fun experience or

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are you like half of the UK
culture that absolutely.

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Just to test score and then
tells our children how much they

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hate school and they're just
true.

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That's that's a cultural thing,
you know.

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Yeah.
I think it's important that we

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just don't take ourselves too.
Seriously, sometimes.

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And actually just do something
fun for the very sake of it

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being fun for the kids so they
have a funny memory to go home

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with.
Yeah, and that's fine.

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You're convincing me more and
more because, look, don't get me

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wrong, this, this.
I always feel like I'm a

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hypocrite when I say this.
Because we always talk about how

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having fun with the children is
like the number one stepping

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stone for me for so much stuff.
Whether that's behaviour,

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whether that's respect, whether
that's life lessons on how to

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get on with someone and where
the line is and how to joke with

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them and being a person who's
likeable as they grow up.

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Yeah, And also the fact that it
leads them to be learning more

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because they want to be in the
classroom with you and they hang

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off you and stuff like that,
right?

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So, like, that is absolutely my
mantra.

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But I still somehow I'm kind of
trapped in that idea.

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Yeah.
But, you know, the the idea of

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learning this thing is
sacrosanct.

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And yeah, we have to always have
the end goal of learning this

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thing.
It's obviously just not true.

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I think it's because it's our
job to teach them stuff.

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But some kids don't get that
wholesome experience outside of

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school.
Yeah.

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And you're giving it to them.
And it's not saying that they

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all don't because obviously they
have fantastic lives.

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But no matter what your
situation is going to be

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children in your cohort who
don't experience that.

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Hmm.
And they, that is everything to

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them.
And like, we can give them that

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it's.
It's a powerful thing.

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Yeah.
And it's.

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Good.
I I think you went for a bit of

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a phase and I don't mean to
trivialise you as if I know you

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better than, but just as someone
who knows you very well and we

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talk a lot about like our views
on everything with school, I do

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feel like you went through.
If I think about the end of this

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phase, or if that's just the way
you think now, but where like

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last year like you were, you
were really, really really, like

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vocal about that opinion you
were just saying before of like,

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yeah, but every minute is
learning time.

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And actually that is that is the
only unimportant goal.

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And you and I remember, I
actually remember being a bit

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like, Oh my God, like literally
think.

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Honestly, genuinely yelling at
you a little bit in my head,

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thinking I don't think I agree
with you, really.

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I think that's a side effect.
I think that's like a symptom.

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I think it's a symptom of the
wider structure of teaching

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where you you've gotta put it in
context here of every hour of

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training we get or have got,
whether it's personally or in

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general, every single thing we
have been told from the top down

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is from that perspective.
It's never Are we ever given

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training truthfully on the
feelings of the children?

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Not that I remember really.
We had, we had a bit of a mental

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health chat once but are we ever
really like every single thing

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we're told to do and that
instructs our job is from the

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idea of they have to be able to
learn this, go and show they've

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learned this skill and retrieved
this fact and do this and do

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that and do this.
And do the importance and if if

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you also marry that with the
attitude of OK, well this is a

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job we we have been striking and
I think this is it came it came

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in tandem with the strikes
right.

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Because my my idea with them was
OK I'm I'm putting less time

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into this job then because
otherwise it's just completely

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unsustainable.
So my goal had to be really, you

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know, simplified.
And it was they need to learn as

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much as possible.
And I think that's how I coped

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with trying to manage the fact
that we're striking, not going

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over and above and doing 10
hours extra every single week to

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get everything done.
Yeah.

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So I was like, cool, How can I
distil this then?

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OK, it's my job to come in and
make sure they learn this and

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learn that.
And whilst I'm doing that, I'm

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going to try and build those
relationships.

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But the end goal was always to
make them learn things.

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I still think the end goal is to
make them learn things.

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I just think that maybe I need
to vocalise more, actually.

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What I mean is that those
relationships are just so

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important.
And I think maybe at the start

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of the school year is when
that's more obvious because I

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spend so much time at the start
of the year forging those

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relationships and trying to make
them laugh and enjoy being at

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school and just showing them
that I care about them.

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Yeah.
Is more important right now than

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whether or not they know how to
add 10.

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Yeah.
And it sounds absolutely

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ridiculous to some people.
Maybe.

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But others will hear that and
go, obviously.

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Yeah.
And I think if you're a teacher,

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you can get trapped in that idea
of objectives, objectives,

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objectives, objectives right
now, you asked me, what if I had

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one thing from each kid that I
want them to have learned in

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these first three weeks or feel
in these first three weeks, is

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that they're safe in school and
they enjoy being with me.

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Yep.
Yeah, I fully agree.

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I don't disagree with you
whatsoever.

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That's number one to me, always
will be, always has been,

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regardless of anything that
else.

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Everyone says.
I'm just sort of like, yeah, OK,

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that's your opinion.
Because I know what has worked

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for me and it is the children
I've, I've had that relationship

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with have always done the best.
They just have, absolutely.

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And I think it pays dividends,
doesn't it now like now when

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they're in year six and but you
can use that hook for me to get.

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Better, Yeah, I know.
That's why I do it.

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I'm not doing it.
I was saying to someone in the

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in the staff.
I was like, I wouldn't do it

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about another member of staff.
Because it's a different, it's a

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different relationship then like
they know securely that mean you

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have that banter, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

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So they understand like properly
the relationship, you know, the

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children, they're clever enough.
I think a lot of people might be

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listening to this worried like
or does it set a precedent?

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No, no it doesn't.
That's what I mean, because

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these kids do not do this for
anyone else, because what we've

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explicitly taught them along the
way is that behaving like this

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is acceptable in certain
circumstances.

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It's a very mature way of
thinking and acting.

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Really hot on that as well.
Like for, for example, literally

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today.
Like just just made that point.

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Like what?
One kid.

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Just took it too far that
there's I make it very clear

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that there is a line like we can
have fun and these are the

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boundaries in which we and
they're learning those lines.

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So it's a learning.
Exactly.

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And that's fine.
And then, and then someone was

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just being a little bit too
silly.

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I was like, oh, OK, actually,
you need to stop because I tell

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you what you're doing.
You're starting to take the Mick

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out of me and the fact that
we've had a little bit of fun

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and now you're just taking
advantage of it.

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So we're all going to stop you
going too far, right.

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Learners boundaries and we'll
have fun.

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If not, we're just, you know,
and they were just like, because

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I've got a little bit of respect
from them.

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They were actually like, oh God.
I don't wanna do that.

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Yeah, of course.
It was nice, but it wasn't like

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a harsh crying or upset.
They were just sort of like, OK,

453
00:19:08,910 --> 00:19:11,450
I'll get that now, yeah, and
then, you know, tomorrow we can

454
00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:13,240
build on that.
But I tell you what has come

455
00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:16,500
back, what has come back to me
and you, cousins.

456
00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:21,120
Again, if you've not listened to
one of our older episodes, we've

457
00:19:21,130 --> 00:19:23,330
had a very, very long ongoing
joke.

458
00:19:23,340 --> 00:19:25,780
Ohh, yes.
In which in which we're brothers

459
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:29,400
and we tell the children that
we're brothers and then most of

460
00:19:29,410 --> 00:19:31,840
them obviously don't believe it.
And then we go, Ohh, we're just

461
00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:34,220
cousins really, but they always
believe that because someone

462
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:36,180
step down.
Only joking.

463
00:19:36,190 --> 00:19:37,340
That was the lie.
Here's the truth.

464
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:39,160
Really mean just a manipulating
that there.

465
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,170
OK, but the kids, they were
like.

466
00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:49,200
Are you are you cousins?
Because I'd always heard it from

467
00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:51,040
you years ago.
They're, aren't you?

468
00:19:51,130 --> 00:19:51,960
Aren't you?
Cousins?

469
00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:53,610
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
They're trying to do something.

470
00:19:53,620 --> 00:19:54,860
I took it really serious.
I was trying to.

471
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:59,460
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look at them thinking they don't

472
00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:01,740
believe me, do they?
They don't believe me.

473
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,410
No.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

474
00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:05,980
And then I told one of them who
didn't believe me, who do you

475
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:08,060
very well.
Was like, no, you're not.

476
00:20:08,110 --> 00:20:10,270
I was like, yeah, I know.
But it's a it's an ongoing joke.

477
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,220
So what I need you to do next
time you see Dylan is very

478
00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:16,180
convincingly say, see.
I knew you weren't cousins, but

479
00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:18,700
I never knew you were.
Do you hate Mr Stevens's dad?

480
00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:22,890
She the idea to have doing that.
Stop doing it.

481
00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:25,020
She can stop laughing.
But the idea of going to you and

482
00:20:25,030 --> 00:20:27,530
trying to be serious.
Thinking saying that you're my.

483
00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:29,990
Dad, Ohh man, it was good.
I'm having for the first time

484
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,800
because you know, I went to year
3 for one year.

485
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:34,100
Yeah, yeah.
That was that was this cohort

486
00:20:34,110 --> 00:20:36,690
who are now in year six.
Ohh.

487
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:38,100
Yeah, I keep.
Thinking you had them before.

488
00:20:38,110 --> 00:20:39,740
I feel I did.
I went up.

489
00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:42,620
Ohh yeah, 3:00 to 4:00.
So this is the first time where

490
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:46,410
I feel like I know them so well
and I already feel sad that

491
00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:47,850
they're leaving.
Yeah, and I'm not even with

492
00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:49,230
them.
Not even like you like it.

493
00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:51,360
People in year six must get this
every year.

494
00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:53,280
But like, just because I had
them when they were so little

495
00:20:53,290 --> 00:20:56,030
and they came in post COVID,
like just after the first COVID

496
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,220
year they started with us.
It's definitely a thing having

497
00:20:58,230 --> 00:21:00,140
kids two years, I don't know
what it is, but there is

498
00:21:00,150 --> 00:21:02,260
something about that, Yeah,
because I've only had that once.

499
00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:04,910
And those kids I don't.
I know it sounds biassed, but

500
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,430
they are like super special for
me.

501
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,400
Yeah, they're just, I think it's
because I had them two years so

502
00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:11,000
they just they, you know, I I
missed them.

503
00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:12,740
Yeah, so good.
Yeah, so good.

504
00:21:12,810 --> 00:21:14,140
But yeah.
Anyway, that was how the the

505
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:15,540
book OK, I will post the
bookmark.

506
00:21:15,550 --> 00:21:17,460
I mean it's been a whole week
and I was like, I've got this

507
00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:19,640
something back because these
kids were absolutely lovely.

508
00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:22,340
I had a really I had this one
thing this week.

509
00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:23,890
So I've not talked about market
too much.

510
00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:26,180
Like maybe we'll talk about in a
second.

511
00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:28,060
But it was just stressful.
It's just been stressful.

512
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:29,950
I think it's been stressful,
Week mentioned.

513
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,380
Yeah, man.
It's been stressful.

514
00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:33,340
I'm not gonna then I'm not gonna
vent to you guys.

515
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:35,020
You're here.
I'm really sorry to cut you off.

516
00:21:35,030 --> 00:21:39,650
Can I just say one last thing?
Just remember, just remember

517
00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:43,910
when you talk about your stress.
So last thing.

518
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,870
I was in Dylan's room the other
day, a great time and we looked

519
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,810
around and a bunch of kids were
just laughing at his window.

520
00:21:49,820 --> 00:21:50,920
House.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:52,040
I think they were like, ohh,
it's them.

522
00:21:52,050 --> 00:21:53,610
They're together.
They're not actually arch

523
00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:56,640
enemies or whatever.
And and they came in and one

524
00:21:56,650 --> 00:21:57,710
girl just couldn't stop
laughing.

525
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,430
You're like, what?
And she was like, it's just your

526
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,930
eyebrows.
It's just your eyebrows.

527
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,700
I got her to explain afterwards.
She can't stop laughing to you.

528
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,470
I said to her, what Pointy.
What were you laughing?

529
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,480
She was like, yeah, Mr Mr Mr Mr
Mr Price's eyebrows are just so

530
00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:14,640
like pointy and bushy.
She was like yours are really

531
00:22:14,650 --> 00:22:17,140
flat like this And she literally
put her hands up this.

532
00:22:17,150 --> 00:22:19,020
She was like, Mr Prices are like
that.

533
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:22,340
They go a bit pointier.
Like a Caterpillar they are.

534
00:22:22,350 --> 00:22:24,000
To be fair, yeah, they are
pointier.

535
00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:26,800
Mine are more like rainbows,
beautiful rainbows.

536
00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:29,880
And yours are like pointy,
pointy like Jagger.

537
00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:33,090
We've gone on and on here.
We have gone on and on.

538
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:34,880
There you go, you know.
I had a terrible joke from a

539
00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:37,410
child and it just really made me
laugh because the child was

540
00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:39,840
trying to be really funny and,
you know, just tell you a joke.

541
00:22:39,850 --> 00:22:42,880
I was like, OK, of course, on a
podcast, what do you call a

542
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:44,800
cheetah?
That's not yours.

543
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,730
I don't know Nacho cheese.
Cheese.

544
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:54,900
She got nachos wrong.
The cheese wrong.

545
00:22:54,910 --> 00:22:56,360
What do you call cheese that's
not yours?

546
00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:58,830
Nacho cheese?
What do you call it?

547
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,040
Cheetah.
That's not yours.

548
00:23:00,090 --> 00:23:01,620
Ohh.
Nacho cheese.

549
00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:06,160
Nacho cheese.
I was like, was that good?

550
00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:10,230
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.

551
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,480
Run along.
Spelling.

552
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,250
Come on, do you spending trying
to make bookmarks?

553
00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:21,580
She just sat there.
She's just, she's just sat there

554
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:23,250
going.
I can't carry on and tell us how

555
00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:24,350
to.
I can't.

556
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,230
This is such a good joke.
I cannot carry on.

557
00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:30,820
That's not yours.
Not turkeys.

558
00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:32,860
And she's so annoying she's gone
home.

559
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:34,680
All she's thinking about is the
fact she got that joke wrong.

560
00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:36,660
It's like calling your teacher.
Mum, she thought it was right.

561
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:42,140
She was like.
Please anyway ohh dear.

562
00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:44,960
But I think what we've been
talking about actually leads

563
00:23:44,970 --> 00:23:47,380
really nicely into what this
Aren't you stressed?

564
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:50,350
I'm a bit stressed.
I'm sorry, it's just, I know you

565
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,420
don't want to talk about it,
but.

566
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:54,610
I don't want to talk about it,
but I want to know if people are

567
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:57,720
watch this guy every session.
Come on, how are you?

568
00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:59,560
I'm fine.
I'm fine.

569
00:23:59,650 --> 00:24:01,320
A lot of people have this same
thing.

570
00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:03,100
You just have a stressful week.
Do you wanna massage?

571
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:04,570
There is not enough.
Don't touch me.

572
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:07,110
There is.
Please never, ever touch me.

573
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:09,260
There's not enough time in the
week to do stuff.

574
00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:11,460
And it just winds me up.
It winds me up.

575
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:14,540
This is such a weird job.
I just don't know how many jobs

576
00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:17,010
where someone can be like.
Do that and you're like.

577
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,650
I'm already doing my job.
Yeah, my job time is filled.

578
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,350
My, my, it's filled up.
I'm not.

579
00:24:22,570 --> 00:24:23,970
I'm not in this building for
fun.

580
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:26,460
I was in.
I was in school for 10 hours

581
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:27,440
today.
Hmm.

582
00:24:27,780 --> 00:24:29,370
Yep.
I still didn't get some stuff

583
00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:33,360
done.
And I just thought, tough, yeah.

584
00:24:33,410 --> 00:24:35,880
Just it's tough, but it's but
it's it's I said this on the

585
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:38,260
Fred the other day.
It's so easy for me to say that

586
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:40,680
and for everyone to say that,
but you've still gotta live the

587
00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:42,180
stress of knowing you haven't
done something.

588
00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:44,140
Yeah, like it's easy to be like,
Oh well, it's not done.

589
00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:45,960
And I did leave.
And also having people think

590
00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:47,120
things of you because.
You have.

591
00:24:47,130 --> 00:24:49,450
I think I'm past that.
I don't care about that anymore

592
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:51,860
because I I would just turn
around and say this is the

593
00:24:51,870 --> 00:24:53,230
amount of time I spent doing
stuff today.

594
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,920
Yeah, no point any of this time
was I just.

595
00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:58,080
I don't want to be in this.
But you still carry a little

596
00:24:58,090 --> 00:25:00,120
bit, though I do.
Even though you weren't on it, I

597
00:25:00,130 --> 00:25:02,430
reckon you still care.
I mean a little bit, but I think

598
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,550
I'm at the point now where.
Like if you think that that's

599
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,650
your problem, Like if you think
that I'm being work shy or

600
00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:10,640
unacceptable for not doing
something, yeah.

601
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,900
Having been in the building for
10 hours a day this week.

602
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,760
Then I'm not the problem.
Hmm.

603
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,110
I'm not the problem.
It's true that the problem is

604
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,750
the expectation.
Yeah.

605
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,110
And I say every week, and I'm
people like a broken record.

606
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,110
Listen to this.
But I want everyone else to

607
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,130
think this.
You lost hundreds.

608
00:25:28,140 --> 00:25:30,720
If you striked.
If you didn't, then well done

609
00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:31,970
for the pay rise for doing
nothing.

610
00:25:32,020 --> 00:25:36,870
But apart from that, if you
strike last year right, you lost

611
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,300
hundreds and hundreds of pounds.
He's, I'm just, he's really

612
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:44,240
grumpy.
All right, he's saying he's.

613
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:45,050
Grumpy.
It's fine.

614
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:46,650
It's fine.
I don't mind losing hundreds of

615
00:25:46,660 --> 00:25:50,240
pounds so they gain 100.
It's not love me if if you

616
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:53,340
strike the last year you lost
hundreds of pounds to just get a

617
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:57,140
bit less of a pay cut and I'd
say every week and workload has

618
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:59,630
not changed.
Don't.

619
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,110
You don't need to accept the
fact that the strikes are over.

620
00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:04,190
Hmm.
I voted no for that deal.

621
00:26:04,260 --> 00:26:07,550
You didn't.
So I said OK, cool, this is what

622
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,270
I'm doing now.
I'm not doing work outside of my

623
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,300
10 hours a day.
Yeah, because that is way more

624
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,320
than my director time.
I'm already doing more than

625
00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:17,290
directed time.
If something needs to be done

626
00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:19,450
outside of that, I don't have
time to do it.

627
00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:22,270
It's not an endless pot.
Let's make it clear for non

628
00:26:22,580 --> 00:26:26,600
educational people.
Part time, 30 hours people are

629
00:26:26,610 --> 00:26:30,740
like, yeah, of course, yeah, but
Dylan's not saying that he'll

630
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:33,860
only do those those directed
hours of like, well, you're like

631
00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:36,610
directed hours for most schools
are gonna be something like 8:30

632
00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:39,030
to 3:30, right?
He's not saying he's only gonna

633
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,050
do that.
He's he's already saying he's

634
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:44,490
gonna put in like an extra 2-3
hours a day for free.

635
00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:47,670
And if that's not enough, and I
agree with this, if that's not

636
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,070
enough, I'm not the problem.
If that's not enough, I think

637
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,740
I've had that opinion and kind
of acting on it for like a

638
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:58,120
couple of years to an extent.
Have you done work outside of

639
00:26:58,130 --> 00:27:01,020
school every week?
Weekends.

640
00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:02,710
Yeah, that's what I mean.
I'm not there.

641
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,960
Ohh wow.
Even the weekends I thought you

642
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:06,620
were factoring in, like.
A planning No, I'm not doing it.

643
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:07,810
I'm not doing it.
Wow.

644
00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:11,550
I don't.
And and look, will I fold after

645
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,980
four weeks maybe because.
Here's the point.

646
00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:18,940
I'm not relishing this.
Yeah, I'm not revelling in this

647
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:20,600
choice.
Yeah, I'm stressed.

648
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:23,080
I'm so stressed because I've
implemented this thing on

649
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:24,890
myself, not doing it right.
I've got principles.

650
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,120
Yeah, I've got principles.
It's nothing to do with the fact

651
00:27:27,130 --> 00:27:28,120
I don't have a computer right
now.

652
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:30,780
That's a coincidence.
Days.

653
00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:31,860
What?
Started off, I physically

654
00:27:31,870 --> 00:27:33,790
couldn't do stuff.
Yeah, but then I'm like, wait,

655
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,240
why am I doing it?
So I made the choice.

656
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:38,330
I've made the choice this year.
Sorry, I'm going on now.

657
00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:39,420
But I've made the choice this
year.

658
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:41,200
I'm getting an earlier than I've
ever got in.

659
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:45,070
I'm getting in at 727.
Ten, 720 people would be

660
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,680
laughing at that, by the way,
because I know we're getting

661
00:27:46,690 --> 00:27:48,330
6:30.
It's not a race to the bottom.

662
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:49,820
Yeah, I know, this is the other
thing.

663
00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:51,780
Don't compare me to.
If you want to compare me to

664
00:27:51,790 --> 00:27:54,920
other people, I'd say cool.
Anyway, back to my literal facts

665
00:27:54,930 --> 00:27:56,720
and arguments here, because
that's irrelevant.

666
00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:59,460
If someone else wants to do
more, that's nothing to do.

667
00:27:59,770 --> 00:28:02,660
Not really relevant.
If someone else to work 74 hours

668
00:28:02,670 --> 00:28:04,760
a week, yeah, not really
relevant because that's not the

669
00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:07,040
gold bar.
I'm talking about pure hours.

670
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:10,930
It's just mad.
It's just mad to me how it's

671
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:14,360
this job where it's just like
and it's random.

672
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,730
It's completely random.
It it doesn't matter like you,

673
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:19,420
you could have something to do,
like you could have a parent who

674
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:21,750
wants a meeting, you could have
a document.

675
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000
You've got to fit in right?
That someone else just doesn't.

676
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:26,950
They're already stressed,
working hard.

677
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,170
I don't want to give them
anything.

678
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,580
So I'm not saying give everyone
something.

679
00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:32,470
I'm saying I've got this extra
thing now.

680
00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:36,510
My time is not worthless.
I'm sorry, my time is not

681
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,130
worthless.
And there's a lot going on at

682
00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:41,520
the minute.
In terms of both our lives and

683
00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:43,240
like, we just moved house and
everything.

684
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:47,900
And I'm just getting ready now
to be like, like, look, I've got

685
00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:50,540
to go home and do decorating.
Otherwise I don't have a

686
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:52,560
kitchen.
Yeah, yeah, I've got to go home

687
00:28:52,570 --> 00:28:55,720
and, you know, look out for
everyone else or do this or do

688
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:58,260
that because otherwise that
doesn't happen.

689
00:28:58,770 --> 00:29:00,680
So actually, yeah, I'm not doing
it.

690
00:29:00,910 --> 00:29:03,170
Yeah, and he's stressed.
I'm stressed.

691
00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:06,030
I'm stressed because it's a
stressful burden to take on and

692
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,160
I really respect people who've
done it for so far because it's

693
00:29:08,170 --> 00:29:11,230
not nice being in a school.
Like you might feel like you're

694
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,380
the minority of like ohh,
workshy.

695
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
It's like no, look at the look
at the numbers.

696
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:18,280
No teacher is work Shy.
No, by definition, no.

697
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,840
It just can't happen.
No.

698
00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:21,460
And that is a stigma that gets
put on teachers.

699
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:23,940
I think sometimes they don't do
as much as the ones that do.

700
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:29,270
Tonnes of time I think as well
what you're experiencing at the

701
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,600
moment because you've just moved
out like you've got you have

702
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:35,420
actually got on as much as I
like to joke but a lot of you

703
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:38,040
know we've we've been very, very
lucky we're we're we're very

704
00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:42,230
lucky people in terms of in our
whole career really we've not

705
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,200
had that much like outside
stress to deal with no maybe a

706
00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:48,040
house move 5-6 years ago.
Give us like that.

707
00:29:48,050 --> 00:29:50,340
You know I'm not being funny.
Moving into your first time.

708
00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:51,770
Very different from moving a
house.

709
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:53,300
Yeah, true.
You move from one bedroom,

710
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:54,500
basically.
You look at your mums or

711
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:55,470
whatever.
Exactly.

712
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,230
That's much easier, isn't it?
Yeah, but it just really

713
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,330
highlights that.
It makes it a bit more aware, I

714
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,230
guess, of other people who are
potentially in these kinds of

715
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,000
stress for whatever reason.
There are stresses.

716
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:08,210
You are was like stuff outside
of work more regularly all the

717
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:09,770
time.
You don't then works you some

718
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:11,850
piled on top and like people
like some people and some people

719
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:14,790
don't have that at all.
And then and then they have the

720
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,120
expectation of expectation of
like well I'm you know I'm

721
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:19,240
putting in the work.
I'm putting 12 hours in a day on

722
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:20,460
average.
Why aren't you doing It's like

723
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:23,530
well maybe their life outside of
work is very very, very

724
00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:24,270
different.
Yeah.

725
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,650
And it's not fair to expect them
to live up to that as well.

726
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:31,070
And maybe it's not and they just
don't want to do that because

727
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,690
it's a job.
Like I'm not being funny.

728
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,110
Like that is the point.
We've got to like how crap is

729
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,830
your life?
Outside of teaching for you to

730
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,590
justify not doing this, that's
where we're at.

731
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,720
That's true.
That's where we're at.

732
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,430
Where what's what's the awful
thing that's going on that

733
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,030
you're not doing 12 hour life.
Fine.

734
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,230
Come on.
Ohh, Sundays just got planning.

735
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,130
Yeah, there was a cut there
because I went off on one.

736
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:53,030
We gonna do about it?
I'm sweating.

737
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:55,130
I think that's the longest we've
ever done.

738
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:00,710
There's like a.
Theme We get on to what we're

739
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,510
actually talking about.
I think it's time to play the

740
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:08,460
Jingle everybody, don't you?
Hello, we're back after that

741
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:12,770
short break.
Why I pet I just said I can't do

742
00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:14,800
the accent.
Why Ant and Dec are not

743
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:17,800
returning returning?
Someone message on Freds.

744
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:19,840
They posted like what are you up
to?

745
00:31:21,550 --> 00:31:26,360
Why I packed with like a deck.
Ohh man ohh we yeah this anti

746
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:28,110
neck sweats like this on
television.

747
00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:34,460
No, they get their foundation
people into pat them down to two

748
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:38,300
men dripping in a in a studio
which is just a tiny room in.

749
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:40,320
My house, bedroom, a massive
light.

750
00:31:40,670 --> 00:31:43,350
Who do we think we are?
There's like 10 people gonna

751
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,330
listen to this, I tell you.
We think ohh mate, there's a lot

752
00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:46,490
of people copying us right now,
isn't?

753
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:48,180
There Ohh mate.
A lot of people.

754
00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:50,160
A lot of people.
White Rose Education.

755
00:31:50,210 --> 00:31:51,460
Ohh got a podcast?
Yeah.

756
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:56,110
Listen, listen, we did it first,
alright?

757
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,690
We did it first.
We did it.

758
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:03,230
But Mr P, copy this new season.
Come on, Mr P Yeah, we referred.

759
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,490
We've been in a podcast for
like.

760
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,990
Months.
All these people, God do.

761
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,330
I'm doing a podcast now.
Listen, listen.

762
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,590
Do you wanna do a podcast and
ask us?

763
00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:15,460
Speaking of Mr P, love him if
you.

764
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:18,210
Yeah, go back a few episodes.
He came on, he chatted to us.

765
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:20,960
He was great.
This time we just say that joke

766
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:22,200
because they'll laugh.
They'll laugh.

767
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:24,530
He's gone on tour, by the way.
I really, I wish I could go on

768
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:25,390
tour.
I literally can't go.

769
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,210
I would have gone and watched
him.

770
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:27,580
You wanna go?
No.

771
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,760
That's all we do.
One we're gonna fill out the the

772
00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:35,380
town hall, 10 people and their
dog.

773
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,470
Well, we just turn up.
Should we buy a ticket with Mr

774
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,170
Pete and just go on the stage?
Hello.

775
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,760
Hiya, it's Mr P Mr Rest.
Ohh yeah, that was a joke.

776
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:50,980
One three piece.
Yeah it's great.

777
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:53,620
He's his podcast is smashing it.
Yeah he's podcast is bad.

778
00:32:53,630 --> 00:32:55,980
Listen to the first episode it's
just it's classic there's

779
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:57,620
there's they get so many
stories.

780
00:32:57,690 --> 00:33:00,150
I know I'm very clear.
Like can we have one please?

781
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,530
Yeah, I'm asking if we can have
the dregs.

782
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,540
Yeah, like I was worried about
copy was like, can you write us

783
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:07,180
your funny stories?
Isn't really an education

784
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,660
podcast, which is absolutely
nailed that.

785
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:10,410
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Isn't it massive?

786
00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:14,200
We're gonna do it anyway.
No, he's great.

787
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:16,660
He's such a great guy.
One of those things like we said

788
00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:19,370
I know we're not talk about Mr
this whole thing but classic

789
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,550
thing of when you speak to
someone who has that kind of

790
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,270
following.
I I just thought, I always think

791
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,070
with those people, like, they're
probably a little bit, maybe

792
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,740
aloof bit, like, yeah, you know,
I'm busy doing this.

793
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:31,160
But he was just such a nice, he
was really cool.

794
00:33:31,170 --> 00:33:33,510
I messaged him, not remotely
expecting a reply.

795
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,480
Like, yeah, he's got like
400,000 followers.

796
00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:38,440
And all our people who come on,
yeah, I know everyone's been so

797
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,120
good, but I was least expecting
a reply from him purely because

798
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:42,500
of that reason.
Yeah, but the more followers

799
00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:44,430
got, just generally the more
messages you're gonna get the

800
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,880
more you've got three right?
And yeah, he was just like

801
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:48,730
alright pal.
Yeah, yeah, it sounds cool.

802
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:49,740
He was like, yeah, I listen to
that.

803
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:50,990
I was like, ohh, it's just
enough.

804
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,110
He's human being.
Ohh yeah, people are just

805
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,140
normal.
People are like you, very

806
00:33:56,150 --> 00:33:58,220
cynical all the time.
I'm like, no, no, we've got like

807
00:33:58,230 --> 00:34:00,740
100 followers now.
I don't talk to you, you or you.

808
00:34:00,810 --> 00:34:02,050
We've got more than 100
followers.

809
00:34:02,270 --> 00:34:02,960
Have we?
How many?

810
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:04,740
I don't.
Know more than 100?

811
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:07,460
I honestly, I don't look
anything ever.

812
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:09,580
I couldn't even tell you if a
person listening to.

813
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:11,480
This.
I'm just doing it for laughs.

814
00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:14,810
This podcast has been streamed
in 40 different countries.

815
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,940
Now that means nothing to me
because I just presume everyone

816
00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:20,340
on the VPN even.
OK, it's that one person that.

817
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:22,889
Just pretend it sounds good.
OK, sounds good.

818
00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:25,920
In 40 different countries it was
me and my VPN.

819
00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:30,550
I went on my.
Anyway, behaviour.

820
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:32,770
Yeah, right.
Is linked is linked to the same

821
00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:34,920
before wrapping up there.
Should be, yeah.

822
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,530
I'll be really honest with the
customers, the consumers, yeah.

823
00:34:38,540 --> 00:34:41,510
You're listeners, consumer, we
we've been zonked.

824
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,710
Like this week we do actually.
We do actually find this podcast

825
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,409
and you won't believe it, but we
do actually plan it out and we

826
00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:50,250
did not plan one this week.
And we sat and we said what's

827
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:52,500
something that we can just talk
about having had so much

828
00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:54,770
experience and literally just
have a conversation about it

829
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:56,060
Because this is more
conversational being.

830
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:57,620
Yeah.
And we thought behaviour was

831
00:34:57,630 --> 00:35:00,250
such a good one.
Because we've had a lot of

832
00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:03,120
feedback previously when we've
mentioned behaviour just in

833
00:35:03,130 --> 00:35:04,870
passing, maybe at the end of an
episode or something.

834
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,410
And someone basically saying,
ohh, you know, we love your

835
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:08,930
approach to it and things like
that.

836
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,020
Because there's a lot of debate
at the minute and there's just

837
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:17,450
this idea with behaviour and
maybe we can talk about our own

838
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,930
experiences.
But there's definitely this idea

839
00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:22,930
that's floating around, very
popular, that behaviour is

840
00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:26,590
getting a lot worse, parental
engagement is getting a lot

841
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,150
further away and maybe the onus
is being placed much more now

842
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,850
onto the teacher rather than the
person or the child, you know,

843
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:37,370
exhibiting those behaviours.
And there's a lot of reasons for

844
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:39,990
that, but just in general with
behaviour.

845
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:44,350
We talked about our mindset of
positivity and yeah, and and and

846
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,250
it being key.
But if you could distil your

847
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:49,040
behaviour into like a simple few
sentences maybe.

848
00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:50,350
I know you struggle with my
behaviour.

849
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:52,020
No.
Your behaviour, Your your

850
00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:55,380
attitude towards behaviour.
Yeah, what would you say?

851
00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:57,940
I hate the word non-negotiable
because there's a whole debate

852
00:35:57,950 --> 00:36:00,730
around things that's in my
expectations on the kids.

853
00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:03,970
Yeah, and you're like, cool.
This is exactly what I expect.

854
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:06,200
I give you this, I'll give you
that.

855
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:10,670
But what I expect from you is
this just I honestly one word

856
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,250
just like just mute No2 words
mutual.

857
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:13,690
Respect.
One word I was gonna say.

858
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:14,970
Respect.
And I was like, actually, no, I

859
00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:18,440
specifically mean respect.
I respect you.

860
00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:20,050
You respect me.
Does that work when they ask you

861
00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:21,390
to turn around and check your in
your head?

862
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:24,010
No.
That's just bullying me.

863
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,170
Thanks for reminding me.
I don't know.

864
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:27,590
I was probably more to it.
I'm pick it.

865
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,150
But realistically that's what it
always boils down to for me.

866
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,790
It's like we're all different.
And I've said to children

867
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,190
before, I've had a I've had a
boy in my class once who was

868
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,090
just just swore a lot.
Just classic.

869
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,470
Like people have different
backgrounds.

870
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,060
I don't care.
Personally, I always go back to

871
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:43,990
like me on a personal level,
like I don't really care.

872
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,450
Outside of the job, outside of
the job, like as a person, as a

873
00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:47,850
person, as a human being.
I'm not.

874
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:50,590
I don't really care if someone
says a word that we've decided

875
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,230
is offensive like the to
whatever, like people would use

876
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,760
it all the.
Time the F word.

877
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,720
I mean, for you.
Let's go all the way through the

878
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:00,330
alphabet.
Yeah, exactly.

879
00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:03,110
Like, I swear a lot outside of
outside of my job in this.

880
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,100
Podcast very quickly though.
We've had meetings before

881
00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:09,370
through business and stuff, and
maybe it's someone we've had a

882
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:11,690
meeting with a couple of times
or, but sometimes maybe it's a

883
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:12,810
tutor we're talking to and
stuff.

884
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:15,330
And although we know them and
stuff, I feel uncomfortable when

885
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,120
you sweat.
Do you?

886
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:20,430
Yeah, just because I just think.
Like what we're talking about

887
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,100
now basically I'm ohh they.
It's not that I care, but I'm

888
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:25,410
like ohh in this setting they
might care.

889
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:28,260
Yeah, think of us differently
because of your, I guess.

890
00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:30,610
I guess I just, I don't know.
In the moment I think I'm

891
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:32,390
comfortable.
If I'm swearing, it's usually

892
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,410
cuz I'm comfortable and I'm also
usually like subliminally quite

893
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:39,000
certain that they're not or or I
don't care.

894
00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:40,790
Yeah, if they judge me, I'm
like, well, it's a relevant.

895
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,660
This is my choice of language.
Equally I'm in the same

896
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:45,360
situation.
I'm like, are we there?

897
00:37:45,370 --> 00:37:48,320
Yeah, maybe some.
Yeah, sure, just a bit quicker.

898
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:52,440
But I've had a kid before who
swears a lot and some people

899
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:55,520
might be like very unacceptable,
like Oh my God, go crazy.

900
00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:59,740
And I just took the kid to the
side and I just explained I.

901
00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:04,150
Was like bellowed out.
I'm tired of it outside.

902
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,340
Yeah.
I just very like calmly cause I

903
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:07,620
don't really care.
Yeah.

904
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:09,330
Yeah.
And I didn't want him to just

905
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:11,680
completely disengage with me as
a human immediately because I

906
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:14,180
don't speak like him and and I'm
pretending not to be like him.

907
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:15,860
I'm not even being truthful.
I'm just lying.

908
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:17,160
Like, yes, I don't speak like
this.

909
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,100
Absolutely.
Course I.

910
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:20,140
I don't even speak like this.
Yeah.

911
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:23,260
Yeah, yeah.
And I just said to him, look,

912
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:24,760
this is how it works in the
school.

913
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:26,560
I was like, I love swearing.
That's how I said it.

914
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:28,230
And I was like, this is risky.
If someone else heard me say

915
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,190
that, they might be like.
But it's the same thing only

916
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080
because of the preconception.
Effectively.

917
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:36,380
Is that wrong to say?
No, I surely not.

918
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:37,950
This kid got it.
Like, maybe I wouldn't say it to

919
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,620
someone a bit younger.
Yeah, but I just said I love

920
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:41,740
saying and but this is the
situation.

921
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:44,490
I don't swear here and here's
why and here's why you need to

922
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:46,810
not do it as well.
This is the stigma that you're

923
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:48,200
going to get.
This is the reactions people

924
00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:50,040
have to just not worth it.
It's just language.

925
00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:53,930
So you've gotta understand that
and genuinely, honestly,

926
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:56,010
honestly, didn't swear again.
And I was like, oh, that was

927
00:38:56,020 --> 00:38:57,430
easy.
He's been told off for three

928
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,730
years.
Was shouting as well.

929
00:38:58,740 --> 00:39:01,300
He didn't swear again maybe like
once or twice in the playground

930
00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:03,450
slipped out, but generally in
the classroom just didn't

931
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:04,900
happen.
I was like, cool, there we go.

932
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:06,650
Didn't ruin my relationship with
it.

933
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,490
And it's just, I don't know, I
just try and get that mutual

934
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:11,350
respect.
He could see I wasn't actually

935
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,480
demeaning him as a human and
saying what you, how you sound

936
00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:16,510
and communicate is wrong.
Don't do it.

937
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,770
I was just saying I get it.
I'm like, you know, we can

938
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:21,890
connect, but maybe don't do it
in here.

939
00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:25,160
And you know you're going to
like success stories, which is

940
00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:28,150
great.
But I'm wondering, I'm diving

941
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,390
more now into that feeling that
all teachers have had.

942
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,130
If you're a teacher, listening
to this, if you're a parent,

943
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:35,770
listening to this tenfold
because from what I hear from

944
00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:37,970
parents.
It's even harder at home to kind

945
00:39:37,980 --> 00:39:41,590
of behaviour of things.
So I guess what I'm saying is,

946
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,930
you know, we've been a teachers
for a long time now and we've

947
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:48,910
gone through enough cohorts,
enough classes to understand

948
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,530
that the way I feel towards
behaviour management isn't

949
00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:54,930
consistent.
And what I mean is so my

950
00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:57,730
attitudes are and what I expect
are my expectations.

951
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,890
I always think of having clear
rules, as few rules as possible,

952
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,390
but that are really important
and you adhere to and everyone

953
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,730
sticks to.
But I've had enough reactions.

954
00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:10,810
From the ways of doing stuff to
understand that there's more to

955
00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:12,090
it.
OK, what do you mean?

956
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:17,370
So I I don't think, again,
people feel free to discrete

957
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:19,240
talk to me, tell me if there's a
way to do this right.

958
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:22,710
Yeah, but I don't think there is
one set way to do something in

959
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,350
terms of behaviour where you're
gonna catch everyone in the net.

960
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,690
Yeah, sure.
And I think from year to year

961
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:30,030
you will have different
children, different needs,

962
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,950
different kind of they behave
differently.

963
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,690
That's not a constant you're in
control of.

964
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:38,670
That's not something you can,
you know, that's a variable.

965
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,550
That's something that is out of
your control.

966
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,110
So the way you do things might
hit 95% of your class one year

967
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,640
and it's breezy.
And you think I'm the best

968
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:47,990
teacher in the world that have
management.

969
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,210
And guess what, guys, it's me
because I did this and someone

970
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:53,190
asked you, how did you do it?
Well, I just built a

971
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,310
relationship with them and I
just had three simple rules and

972
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,880
they all did it.
And I think that we've been

973
00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:00,600
through the mill enough to know
that that can be really

974
00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:02,870
disheartening to hear when you
feel like you're doing the same

975
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,030
thing but not get the same
outcome.

976
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,470
Yeah.
And I don't think it's, it's the

977
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,860
same thing.
I don't think it's down to you

978
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:11,190
and those outcomes because I can
do the same thing the year after

979
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,920
and really struggle.
Yeah, I I've had exactly that.

980
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:16,280
So I have had both ends of the
spectrum.

981
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,310
Like right now the class I have
this year are really nice.

982
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,460
They are on that level where
it's like, yeah, I can just take

983
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:23,950
these three things.
They all immediately do and we

984
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,620
have a great time.
Honestly, that's just the level

985
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:26,850
of people come to you.
How do?

986
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:27,780
You do it.
Yeah, I know.

987
00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:29,730
As if it's me.
It's not remotely me.

988
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:33,770
They're in Year 6.
None of my input has got them to

989
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:35,650
this this point After 10 days
anyway.

990
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,840
Yeah, 10 days.
Not after me being constantly

991
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:39,180
having taken the Mick out of
you.

992
00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:40,850
But that's also the reason that
I can do that.

993
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:45,180
Whereas I've had classes before,
like cohorts I've taught in the

994
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:49,110
past, where I absolutely,
absolutely cannot treat them in

995
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,620
the same way that I'm already
treating these kids.

996
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:52,140
It doesn't work.
And it would.

997
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:54,360
You would get nothing done.
Everyone would get stressed.

998
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:56,930
I'd be constantly crossed other
kids to be angry at the

999
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:59,830
behaviour, like the culture in
that cohort is different.

1000
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,620
And again, it had nothing to do
with my actual input.

1001
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:05,330
Like the reason their behaviour
was like that and I would go as

1002
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,400
far as arguing that it didn't
have much.

1003
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:11,210
There wasn't much impact from
the previous teachers as well.

1004
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:13,830
Like I don't think we should.
We could go back and pinpoint

1005
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,750
like ohh, there's the teacher
that messed it all up.

1006
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,630
Yeah of course.
They're the two teachers that

1007
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,980
then back-to-back.
They complete all those children

1008
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:21,570
can't behave now because of them
too.

1009
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,110
It doesn't work like that.
I do think you can have a little

1010
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,950
impact.
You can, but I don't think it's

1011
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,710
much, honestly.
Think of it this way.

1012
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,610
If you were just joking
constantly, there were no

1013
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:32,500
repercussions.
There were no clear

1014
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:35,190
expectations.
Those are the basic building

1015
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,770
blocks where if you're not doing
that, then focus on that.

1016
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,810
I think there's a lot of
teachers out there who are doing

1017
00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:43,310
those things and I felt like
this in the last couple of

1018
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,780
years, numerous times where I'm
like, am I actually bad at

1019
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:48,700
behaviour management?
Yeah, because I've always

1020
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:51,450
thought since, you know, since
my early days, that was one of

1021
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:53,080
my strengths.
I've always thought that.

1022
00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:56,220
I just think I do think
naturally as a man, I do think

1023
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:58,840
there is that just 10% that you
start off a bit higher on

1024
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:01,360
because your voice naturally
cuts through and stuff like

1025
00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:03,640
that.
I do think we have those natural

1026
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:07,260
kind of benefits, benefits just
from the off without doing any

1027
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:10,100
kind of, you know, actual
putting things in place.

1028
00:43:10,410 --> 00:43:13,410
But yeah, I just think, I don't
know.

1029
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,770
I've had those moments where I'm
like really experienced and

1030
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:18,210
stuff worked before.
And then I've had those

1031
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,260
interactions with children where
I'm like, nothing's working and

1032
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:25,350
I'm just getting annoyed and I
think with less experience.

1033
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,480
You look at that and you go,
it's me, what can I do?

1034
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,670
And as a teacher, you're always
going to ask yourself, because

1035
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,990
it's your.
Job and you blame yourself.

1036
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,050
I have this mantra as well.
I remember one of the Tas I

1037
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:36,460
worked with always reminded me
of it.

1038
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:38,020
And I was like, that is
important when I was like an

1039
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:40,530
input.
And it was If the children don't

1040
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:43,210
understand something, hmm, it's
my problem.

1041
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,570
You know, If they, if they don't
get something, it there's no

1042
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:49,150
good being annoyed at them.
If they don't get it, then it's

1043
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,090
my job.
Yeah, literally my job to find a

1044
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:53,330
different way to try and.
Do you tell?

1045
00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:55,870
Do you sell that to the kids?
Yes, because I see you better.

1046
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,090
It's just better.
It's like I said to him this

1047
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,450
week when I was setting
expectations.

1048
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:03,330
I said I promise you all and I
looked at them and I promise you

1049
00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:07,630
that if you do not understand
something and you have tried to,

1050
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,170
I will never.
I know.

1051
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:13,100
I said to him, do you think I
will ever get annoyed or tell

1052
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:17,070
you what if that's the case and
they were like, no, no, no, of

1053
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,610
course I won't.
I will never ever do that.

1054
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,090
But what do you think I'm going
to do if you don't understand

1055
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,140
how to do something but you
weren't paying attention or you

1056
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:27,830
haven't even tried it or you
haven't even put pen to paper or

1057
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,270
you show me.
You've shown me a choice where

1058
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,570
you haven't given it a go.
And they were like, ohh, yeah,

1059
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:34,260
of course.
And I'm like, that's when we're

1060
00:44:34,270 --> 00:44:37,530
gonna have a conversation.
Because we boil it down to the

1061
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:39,350
rules where you always have to
try your best.

1062
00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:43,270
You always have to respect other
people.

1063
00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:45,650
And that comes in with listening
when they're talking.

1064
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,090
And.
And that's almost it.

1065
00:44:47,140 --> 00:44:48,630
Yeah.
Because if you get out of your

1066
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,070
seat, I'm like, you're not
respecting me.

1067
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,570
Hmm.
You're not respecting the

1068
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:52,480
person.
Next you've been put off.

1069
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:54,410
Now you guys see.
Yeah, you're shouting out,

1070
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:56,810
respecting everyone else's time.
Someone's talking and you're not

1071
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:59,050
listening, not respecting them.
You can almost encompass

1072
00:44:59,060 --> 00:45:00,490
everything in these really basic
rules.

1073
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:03,300
And we had a message from Kyle,
Kyle, one of the people listen

1074
00:45:03,310 --> 00:45:05,590
to the podcast.
Really nice guy.

1075
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,310
Just basically saying he was
listening to our podcast about

1076
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,570
Simple Rules, and he put a
picture of his three rules up

1077
00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:14,260
there.
Hmm, you can't go wrong because

1078
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:15,740
you just point to it.
And I was like, he's gonna have

1079
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:17,530
a good year because he's just
very clear.

1080
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,880
And you know, as long as your
rules cover everything, such an

1081
00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:23,250
impact.
And yeah, I think understanding

1082
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:26,460
that even with this attitude and
clear expectations, high

1083
00:45:26,470 --> 00:45:31,320
expectations, you're gonna get
some children who make wrong

1084
00:45:31,330 --> 00:45:33,990
choices.
Yeah, of course and and I'm, I'm

1085
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,060
wondering your your ideas here
just going into the meta.

1086
00:45:36,070 --> 00:45:37,130
Now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1087
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:40,470
You know, there's a lot of
people, myself included, a lot

1088
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,760
of the time.
Yeah, who like to look for.

1089
00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:45,700
There's a reason it's not an
excuse.

1090
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:48,500
The reason It's a reason this
person's misbehaving.

1091
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:51,700
What's your opinion on that
attitude of there's always a

1092
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:54,710
reason there's not, not always
just a, you know, goes right.

1093
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:58,370
There is always a reason, but
the reason isn't always an

1094
00:45:58,380 --> 00:46:00,430
excuse.
I think that's the way I see it.

1095
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,970
OK, so can it be you're saying
the reason can be an?

1096
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:07,070
Excuse the the reason.
The reason can be the reason can

1097
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,190
be they wanted to annoy you.
Yeah, yeah.

1098
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,050
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

1099
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,640
And it's like, cool, it's not an
acceptable reason.

1100
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,910
But I don't like the excuse
culture that happened.

1101
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,430
I don't know.
I don't know if it's, you know,

1102
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,620
you earlier on you said about
how maybe the culture over time,

1103
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:27,530
like there's a bit of stigma or
a stereotype that that parenting

1104
00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:30,450
is becoming more like lenient.
And it's the teachers problem.

1105
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:32,670
It's teachers fault the kid
before.

1106
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,050
The kid?
Yeah.

1107
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:35,820
And it used to be more You
listen to the parents, listen to

1108
00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:37,690
the teacher, and then they
believe the teacher.

1109
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:39,930
I don't know if that's true.
No, I don't either, because I

1110
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:41,930
haven't talked long enough.
I think it's been exactly the

1111
00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:43,970
same the entire time I've been
teaching and again, I feel like

1112
00:46:44,020 --> 00:46:47,460
I've the vast majority of
parents then, absolutely

1113
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:48,540
fantastic.
Yeah, yeah.

1114
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:50,350
And I think it's very easy to
latch onto the few.

1115
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,870
Yeah, a couple and and and like
because the end of the day

1116
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,890
parents are just people.
Yeah.

1117
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:56,590
I'm who are we kidding if we
think every single person.

1118
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,960
It's lovely and polite.
Of course they're not.

1119
00:46:57,970 --> 00:46:59,430
Some of those people are gonna
be parents sometimes.

1120
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Like of course I've had a few
fallings out, but overall like

1121
00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:06,410
on the whole, 99% lovely
interactions with but going back

1122
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:10,950
to like reasons and excuses I
don't like and it really grinds

1123
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,560
my gears when very very very
obvious behaviour like bad

1124
00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:18,820
behaviour that is just.
For the sake of like arrogance

1125
00:47:18,830 --> 00:47:23,120
or being obnoxious or just being
rude because those children

1126
00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:27,020
haven't been taught manners.
When they get excused for staff,

1127
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:30,800
it angers me to my soul because
as a professional, I always feel

1128
00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:35,540
that horrible burden of I better
not annoy the parent or the

1129
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:37,140
person who's challenging me on
this.

1130
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:39,280
Because, you know, I don't want
to complain about me or

1131
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:41,240
something like that.
And I hate that because it

1132
00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:42,370
always puts me in an awkward
position.

1133
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:43,980
But at the end of the day, if
someone come up to me and

1134
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:46,960
saying, well, my child got told
off for this today, they weren't

1135
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:49,340
doing that.
Oh, I hate it.

1136
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:52,620
I'm like, oh, sorry, sorry,
yeah, no, my eyes, the thing I

1137
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:54,910
saw, are relevant because your
child has told you.

1138
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:57,640
Happened before.
So ignore everything I said that

1139
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:59,830
I saw.
Let's go with your account,

1140
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,240
which is based on your child's
account.

1141
00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:04,020
Like, what are you?
And I find that so rude, So

1142
00:48:04,030 --> 00:48:05,230
rude.
And that's a little bit

1143
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:05,970
different.
Mining.

1144
00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:07,030
Undermining.
Yeah, I don't.

1145
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,740
I wanna make it clear, though,
that's not the same as like a

1146
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:11,470
situation where something
happened and I'm already going

1147
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,060
off secondary information from
different kids accounts.

1148
00:48:14,070 --> 00:48:15,360
Yeah.
And then maybe the parents just

1149
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:17,320
chipping in saying actually
there's a bit of history here.

1150
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:18,540
Maybe this has happened in this
session.

1151
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:19,800
That's just helpful.
That's helping the

1152
00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:21,770
investigation.
I don't mind that.

1153
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:25,160
So yeah, back to your original
question, I think.

1154
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:27,010
Everything has a reason.
I just don't think they're

1155
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:28,950
always acceptable.
Devil's advocate here because I

1156
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,770
I agree.
I think I think what what's

1157
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:32,990
happened is, and again correct
me wrong, people who have been

1158
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,930
teaching a lot longer than we
have back in the day.

1159
00:48:36,020 --> 00:48:38,390
Yeah, it would be that the
teacher said something that was

1160
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,740
unquestionable.
Clearly some teachers took

1161
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:42,360
advantage of that.
We're talking about a time when

1162
00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:45,540
you could throw a rubber a kids
face like I'm joking.

1163
00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:49,450
Cheers as well, like you could
get the cane right because the

1164
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:51,960
teacher didn't quite like the
look of you everyone.

1165
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:54,060
Everyone's Nan and Grandad got a
story and they hate school.

1166
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:55,770
Yeah, so clearly that's
horrendous.

1167
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:59,230
Yeah, it's it's shifting.
So there's a, it's a fact that

1168
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,050
it's shifting towards more, you
know, I wanna say restorative.

1169
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:04,300
A big thing at the minute.
Yeah.

1170
00:49:04,310 --> 00:49:05,650
Schools having restorative
things.

1171
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,750
It's not just punishment,
punishment, wrong, bad

1172
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,090
punishment, wrong bad
punishment.

1173
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:12,580
It's wrong, bad understanding.
Yeah, that's obviously a good

1174
00:49:12,590 --> 00:49:14,530
thing.
Again, I'm talking very

1175
00:49:14,540 --> 00:49:17,750
specifically about, you know,
you said it's not the child's.

1176
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,270
You know, child might not been
taught manners.

1177
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,610
Yeah, and they're just being
rude.

1178
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:23,220
Hmm.
Is that the child's fault that

1179
00:49:23,230 --> 00:49:25,530
they've chosen then not to do
something if they need to be

1180
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:27,330
taught like like we're teaching
them the line.

1181
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:28,550
Yeah.
You know, in the same way that

1182
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,010
you're, you know, do do we go
down that route or should we go

1183
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:33,470
down that route of, well,
they've not been taught, OK,

1184
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,790
look, nurture, help, No one's
ever going to say that's a bad

1185
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,790
thing.
But there is obviously a line

1186
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,340
when someone has been taught
here.

1187
00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:43,270
We've been.
I've been that kid.

1188
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,870
You've been that kid at school
who did something simply because

1189
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,330
they wanted to.
And it was funny to break the

1190
00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:48,770
rule.
Yeah.

1191
00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:50,630
Well, it wasn't because of
something at home that morning.

1192
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,700
Yeah.
It was because you went in and

1193
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:55,010
you chose chaos.
Yeah, I I exclusively from

1194
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,190
exclusively from about the age
of 10 I'd say cuz I was really

1195
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,990
good before that.
From the age of 10 until I left

1196
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,350
school, the only thing that
mattered to me was making my

1197
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:10,320
friends laugh at any expense.
That's in and you still fail.

1198
00:50:10,930 --> 00:50:13,780
Yeah, didn't do that.
Is that 50 years practise?

1199
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:15,240
But it was.
It was, though, like.

1200
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,480
And I'm not saying I wasn't
like, the proper horrible Kimi

1201
00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:19,500
was definitely rude.
I looked back and I cringe at

1202
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:21,460
some of my memories of, like,
things I said to teachers.

1203
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:22,900
But imagine what you chose in
that day.

1204
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:24,070
You just wanted to make mates
laugh.

1205
00:50:24,110 --> 00:50:26,410
Yeah, right.
There's that.

1206
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:30,780
The memes right now of the
naughty kid who managed to leave

1207
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:33,330
less and get chips.
And it's like because that whole

1208
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:35,110
restorative thing of you know,
we come out of lesson, you've

1209
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,680
been completely rude and
horrible.

1210
00:50:36,730 --> 00:50:40,120
You've you've like and I'm like.
Jokes aside now there's massive

1211
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:43,380
huge rising rates of children
abusing teachers, especially

1212
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:46,080
secondary school.
And they do that and they get

1213
00:50:46,090 --> 00:50:49,660
taken out, Arm around them, have
some crisps, go for a walk.

1214
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:53,350
And it's like, let's not pretend
there's not a line because

1215
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,520
there's some people out there
who will jump down your throat

1216
00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:57,240
if you say we should be doing
that.

1217
00:50:57,350 --> 00:50:58,740
Yeah.
No, no, no.

1218
00:50:58,830 --> 00:51:01,760
Everyone, everyone.
There's a reason for every

1219
00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:03,070
single behaviour.
Hmm.

1220
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,100
We treat them beautifully.
Nice, restorative.

1221
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:08,120
All good.
There's a place for restorative.

1222
00:51:08,170 --> 00:51:11,900
But if someone's choosing to be
a little bugger, sometimes they

1223
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:14,570
need to be told and punished.
Yeah, and don't do that.

1224
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,020
Don't do that.
No, that's unacceptable.

1225
00:51:16,070 --> 00:51:17,190
You do it again.
Cool.

1226
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,180
You're gonna lose this.
You're gonna lose that.

1227
00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:21,850
Yeah, well, you're not gonna get
crisps and ice cream.

1228
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,280
That's more reflective of real
society in my opinion.

1229
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:27,260
I think, like, you know, good
countries around the world have

1230
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:30,800
really good restorative like
prisons and things.

1231
00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:32,390
Netherlands, I think have.
Really good, yeah.

1232
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,540
You know, the Nordic, that kind
of area in general is always

1233
00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:37,220
quite quoted, isn't it?
I think the success probably

1234
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:39,090
comes from the fact that you're
still punished.

1235
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,740
There's a law and you are
punished for it, like you're

1236
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:45,170
going to prison, but you are
also given the opportunity to

1237
00:51:45,210 --> 00:51:47,220
restore yourself rather than
just being labelled as you're

1238
00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:48,240
just nothing now.
You're worthless.

1239
00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:49,260
Well done.
You've messed up your whole

1240
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:50,580
life.
You're nothing that happens in

1241
00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:53,360
this country like that is the
prison system in this country.

1242
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:56,260
There are.
So the the rate of reoffenders

1243
00:51:56,270 --> 00:51:57,780
is huge.
Hmm.

1244
00:51:57,890 --> 00:52:00,960
Restorative help is so good.
Yeah.

1245
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:02,380
It's so good.
Yeah.

1246
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:06,720
But we we we can't just pretend
that there are not some children

1247
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:09,450
out there who don't just
misbehave because they want to,

1248
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:10,670
you know?
It's.

1249
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,720
As a cultural impact, I'm
thinking about school now.

1250
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:16,840
I think even though you send it
with, it said it was a meme,

1251
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,580
like the impact it would have on
a child who's really trying to

1252
00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:24,140
behave in a class seeing one of
their peers.

1253
00:52:24,310 --> 00:52:28,370
Who's just done something vile
in the classroom then having

1254
00:52:28,380 --> 00:52:30,570
some sort of treat within even
like a week.

1255
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,050
Yeah honestly I'd be if I was
that kid as someone who's quite

1256
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:36,000
switched on to that sort of
thing would be like that's

1257
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:38,790
completely unjustified.
Like that kid just threw a chair

1258
00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:41,510
at a teacher and now they're
having they're going like a

1259
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,680
special ice cream treat with
this like behavioural unit.

1260
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,010
What on earth?
What I'd be like why are they

1261
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:47,750
getting that?
I would understand it as good

1262
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,030
and sometimes kids don't
understand it and there is a

1263
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,930
bit, there is a wider thing
there and it's like you don't

1264
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:53,530
understand it, but this is still
the best decision.

1265
00:52:53,540 --> 00:52:55,860
I do think there are situations
like that, and I'm not saying

1266
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:58,230
restorative is bad.
No, never mind, but but but

1267
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,330
there, there just has to be
common sense.

1268
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,390
If you're doing solely
restorative and someone doing

1269
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,580
that is on the same level as
someone who maybe is going

1270
00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:08,830
through something at home, who
maybe has some kind of

1271
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,350
diagnosis, some kind of need, we
can't group these things

1272
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,070
together and we can't pretend
that the same.

1273
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,210
And we can't just say it's only
ever because of a reason that's

1274
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:19,110
justified.
It's not.

1275
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:22,050
They need to sometimes learn.
And there's this, my favourite

1276
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:25,990
thing, amazing teacher we work
with who is fantastic for

1277
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,930
children with certain needs.
Yeah, always, always says that

1278
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,180
the world isn't going to change,
that the wider world isn't going

1279
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:36,490
to change.
And what she means by that is

1280
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:40,540
simply these children, no matter
what, no matter if they're a

1281
00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:43,780
diagnosis of ADHD, maybe ASD, we
give them all the help and

1282
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:47,070
support they need, but they need
to learn that in the real world

1283
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,250
there are rules and there are
consequences and they still

1284
00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:53,020
apply and they still apply.
You know, there are things we

1285
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:56,230
can put in place to support, but
you know, there are things we

1286
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,020
have to expect from everyone.
Yeah.

1287
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,220
And I think sometimes the idea
of that restorative justice in

1288
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:04,860
schools is we have, you know, we
have these really high

1289
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:06,610
expectations.
Everyone's gonna be brilliant.

1290
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:07,900
Ohh my gosh, we have this
mantra.

1291
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:10,690
Everyone's, you know, attitude
towards it and just teach the

1292
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:13,240
Staffs all on the same level and
if you break it.

1293
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:15,790
Yeah, OK.
I agree.

1294
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,750
I'll make two points.
Cause one point I wanted to make

1295
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,750
the whole way through and I was
eventually getting to it because

1296
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,920
I don't, I don't want anyone to
think that I don't like

1297
00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:24,310
restorative Yes.
I'm actually more profit yes

1298
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,840
than anything.
But the thing I hate and I just

1299
00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:30,380
don't know schools that do this
right.

1300
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,570
I don't like overarching
behaviour policies like as in

1301
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:37,680
really simple ones as in like
where the whole thing is we do

1302
00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:41,530
restorative here and that's it.
Or we have this particular

1303
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:44,350
thing, and this is the only
system we use for everyone

1304
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,110
because it goes back to that
thing you said right at the

1305
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,130
start of.
Yeah, but you're never gonna

1306
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:50,710
catch 100% of children that.
Do you know what that policy

1307
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:52,240
might apply.
You might get the best one, and

1308
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:54,610
it applies to 96% of your kids.
Hmm.

1309
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:57,660
But there's still 4% the kids
where that policy is rubbish for

1310
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:59,670
them and it's never gonna help
them.

1311
00:55:00,330 --> 00:55:02,120
Can I come in?
I mean, cause cause case in

1312
00:55:02,130 --> 00:55:04,650
point of nearly every single
primary school in the country.

1313
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:06,820
Nearly every single primary
school in the country.

1314
00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:08,840
Think of the system you have in
school for behaviour.

1315
00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:10,880
Yeah?
What percentage of children

1316
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:12,940
actually go through that
formality of that system?

1317
00:55:12,990 --> 00:55:16,140
And what I mean is, whatever it
is, whether it's warning, going

1318
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:19,470
to this room, having this
punishment, whatever it is,

1319
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,180
detention, whatever you do,
yeah, whatever the system is.

1320
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:25,070
What percentage of your kids
actually make their way through

1321
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,780
that step by step of the paving
system?

1322
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,290
Less than 10%.
Hmm.

1323
00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:33,550
The vast majority of children,
just the fact that it exists and

1324
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,620
they know that they have to
behave a certain way is enough.

1325
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:38,180
Yeah.
So if we're talking a small

1326
00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:40,280
percentage of children actually
making their way through this

1327
00:55:40,290 --> 00:55:44,730
process, yeah, if there are
repeat offenders constantly

1328
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:47,260
doing the same thing, then we
can go into those root causes,

1329
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:49,280
can't we?
But that's when we can step in

1330
00:55:49,290 --> 00:55:51,870
and help those 4% who clearly
this isn't working for.

1331
00:55:51,970 --> 00:55:54,050
But for the majority, just
having something in place, it's

1332
00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:57,590
going to catch them then, you
know, then dive in, then look

1333
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,460
for the reasons, OK.
And if it is just that the kids

1334
00:56:00,470 --> 00:56:03,030
being annoying because they want
to be funny, yeah, we can sort

1335
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,600
it in some way.
If it's because they have a

1336
00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:06,130
diagnosis, we can sort it in
that way.

1337
00:56:06,140 --> 00:56:09,090
Yeah, because of this or that.
We then need the specific range,

1338
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:11,460
but resources.
And yeah, just in the individual

1339
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:12,950
case, there's no resources in
school.

1340
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,500
That's why it's so hard.
That's why you need an

1341
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:17,010
overarching thing, because it's
just a simple.

1342
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:19,910
Policy anyway to stay with it?
I'm sorry, I can't go into this

1343
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,090
case because I've got 17 kids so
I need to do 1000.

1344
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,050
Who comes?
To school, yeah, it's it's just

1345
00:56:24,060 --> 00:56:25,770
unmanageable.
So that's why we step into that.

1346
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:28,570
I just realised I'm going into
my like gawping thinking face.

1347
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:30,700
Ohh yeah yeah we're.
Gonna so thanks thanks for you

1348
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:31,750
know taking the Academy
everyone.

1349
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,580
I'm aware of it now.
I am listening.

1350
00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:36,860
I'm just going into when I go
into deep thought I my face just

1351
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:38,060
goes.
I'm just thinking about you

1352
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:43,990
saying I'm like I am listening.
What I'm saying is so boring,

1353
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,810
boring.
So if you had to you know,

1354
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:49,930
summarise your your, your kind
of top tips are behaving them.

1355
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,330
Because I always think about
teachers listening to this,

1356
00:56:52,340 --> 00:56:55,230
because I know for a fact we
have a whole bunch of teachers

1357
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,650
who like less than three years
experience who are watching

1358
00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:59,410
this.
And we've got between us nearly

1359
00:56:59,420 --> 00:57:02,530
20 years now.
Yeah, we've talked about how

1360
00:57:02,740 --> 00:57:05,400
don't beat yourself up too much
if you're doing the basics and

1361
00:57:05,410 --> 00:57:07,810
you're doing them consistently
and there's still some problems,

1362
00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:09,670
it is out of your hands
sometimes.

1363
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,270
Whatever reason it could be,
whether it's the child's fault,

1364
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360
whether it's their conditions
fault, whatever it is, don't

1365
00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:17,960
beat yourself up, because I've
done that plenty of times and I

1366
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:19,720
know I'm following policies and
doing things.

1367
00:57:19,830 --> 00:57:21,590
So what would be your top tips
then?

1368
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,310
To those people You say, OK,
you're struggling with behaviour

1369
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,080
or you think you're worried
about it, you're training and

1370
00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:28,080
you're thinking, how am I gonna
control 30 kids?

1371
00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:29,280
How am I gonna stay on top of
it?

1372
00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:32,610
What would you say to them as
your top tips as someone who's

1373
00:57:32,620 --> 00:57:33,910
more experienced?
OK, so.

1374
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:37,760
Whatever your blanket rules are
cause we've already said there

1375
00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:39,900
are going to be some things
where it's just like this is

1376
00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:42,040
just a non negotiable.
You just don't shout out when

1377
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:43,980
I'm talking.
I don't care.

1378
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:45,310
I don't care what your reason
is.

1379
00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:48,180
OK, maybe you've got ADHD.
OK, you still don't shout out

1380
00:57:48,190 --> 00:57:50,150
when I'm talking because it's a
choice.

1381
00:57:50,410 --> 00:57:52,070
It might be a bit harder for
you, and we can put some

1382
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,050
restorative processes in to help
you as an individual get around

1383
00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:56,040
that thing, but that's the
thing.

1384
00:57:56,050 --> 00:57:58,740
And you might not be punished,
like you might not be literally

1385
00:57:58,750 --> 00:58:01,720
punished harshly because you do
all the time that, like you

1386
00:58:01,730 --> 00:58:03,600
said, restorative can come into
play.

1387
00:58:03,610 --> 00:58:05,770
I want to justify that because I
don't want anyone to think that

1388
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:08,100
we're punished.
Thinking of advocating punishing

1389
00:58:08,110 --> 00:58:10,670
people who literally have a
disadvantage, A disadvantage and

1390
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,600
this.
Of course not, but but they.

1391
00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:15,290
But what the message?
They shouldn't get is it's

1392
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,850
because you've got this thing
then.

1393
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:20,910
Therefore you don't have to
follow this simple rule.

1394
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:22,910
It's just you gotta follow this
simple rule.

1395
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,910
It might be a bit harder for
you.

1396
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,930
Here are some things to help
you.

1397
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:27,150
Exactly.
That's how it should be so.

1398
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,270
But whatever.
Those rules are consistent, be

1399
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,330
consistent.
And it's so much harder to do

1400
00:58:33,340 --> 00:58:36,050
than it is to say genuinely so
true.

1401
00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:39,630
So hard I struggle now.
To be consistent, parents do

1402
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:41,330
have one child.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1403
00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:42,990
Yeah.
Like, seriously, if any parents

1404
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,380
are listening, how hard is it to
be?

1405
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:46,710
System of your kid in terms of
like the boundaries,

1406
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,790
expectations or to get in.
Right.

1407
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,490
Do you cave?
Because you do.

1408
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:51,490
Right?
Now imagine having 32 of them 8

1409
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:53,170
hours a day.
Not that many, but six hours a

1410
00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:55,130
day.
Whatever, by the way, trying to

1411
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:56,690
make them do work that sometimes
they just don't.

1412
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:58,110
Wanna do?
Yeah, it's hard.

1413
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,880
So don't make your rules too
ridiculous.

1414
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,890
Make them really fair for every
child in your class that they

1415
00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:05,300
could achieve.
Yeah, it might be harder for

1416
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:07,970
some of them, but they can still
achieve that rule, maybe with

1417
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:10,870
some support and be very, very,
very consistent.

1418
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,570
Like, just stick to it.
Don't start making excuses left,

1419
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:16,880
right and centre.
But equally, I'm going to

1420
00:59:16,890 --> 00:59:18,660
completely contradict myself
here.

1421
00:59:18,730 --> 00:59:20,300
There we go.
Because every child is

1422
00:59:20,310 --> 00:59:21,460
individual.
Hmm.

1423
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:25,280
And the reason I don't like
blanket policies is because in

1424
00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:29,530
those situations.
Maybe due to the reasons some

1425
00:59:29,540 --> 00:59:31,710
children might just need a
little bit more TLC or a

1426
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,360
different approach.
That that they understand, yeah.

1427
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:36,830
Whereas other children, it's
like, cool.

1428
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,900
You are just choosing to do
this, to make your mate laugh.

1429
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,210
So I'm going to tell you off,
That's it.

1430
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:43,240
And then you're done.
That's it.

1431
00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:44,570
You.
You'll respond to that and you

1432
00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:45,910
won't do it again.
I don't think there's a

1433
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,530
contradiction there.
I'm gonna come in and just

1434
00:59:47,580 --> 00:59:49,210
clarify.
It just sounded like it does a

1435
00:59:49,220 --> 00:59:51,270
bit.
But I think your expectations

1436
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,950
and constant from the front,
delivering on the front line can

1437
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,290
constantly be that way.
I think you're talking then,

1438
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:58,950
about how you react to that.
Yeah, that's it.

1439
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,160
So, like, from the point of view
of the children, they have to

1440
01:00:01,170 --> 01:00:03,310
know it's unacceptable because
otherwise they'll do it like you

1441
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,320
said.
Yeah.

1442
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:05,510
You have to know some
acceptable.

1443
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,070
But then how are you gonna try
and solve that?

1444
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,440
I think that's less.
It's less easy for us to give

1445
01:00:10,450 --> 01:00:12,630
tips at that point.
Yeah, because they're so unique.

1446
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,710
Because I've had certain
children where it's just

1447
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,030
clicked.
I've tried something.

1448
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,690
Ohh OK that's a sticker chart
did actually work for you

1449
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:21,560
because for whatever reason
that's enough of a hook for you

1450
01:00:21,570 --> 01:00:24,100
to become fixated on that and
want to do that and then that's

1451
01:00:24,110 --> 01:00:26,720
good for another child.
It would just be me being

1452
01:00:26,730 --> 01:00:29,160
brutally honest with them.
Like you said, the child who's

1453
01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:30,940
swearing.
I might say to someone I've I've

1454
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:33,770
said this before and I thought I
might going too far and I've

1455
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:36,600
just thought no because it's and
and I've said this and I said

1456
01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:37,770
this to parents and parents
evening.

1457
01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:42,290
I've said children will stop
liking you Hmm.

1458
01:00:42,340 --> 01:00:44,570
And and I'm not and I say to I
don't want that to happen.

1459
01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:47,110
You don't want that to happen.
No one wants that to happen.

1460
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:49,640
But you've got to understand the
way you're behaving and treating

1461
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:52,670
other people.
They will stop wanting to spend

1462
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,650
time with you and at break time
it's a choice.

1463
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:56,910
It's a very small time.
There's a very subtle difference

1464
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,290
between that and something that
people would be like, oh, that's

1465
01:00:59,300 --> 01:01:01,850
terrible.
And this is is really clear if

1466
01:01:01,860 --> 01:01:04,990
you said to a kid no one likes
you, oh gosh, that's awful.

1467
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:06,680
Don't do that, please.
Please be careful with your

1468
01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:08,770
wording.
But if you're explaining to them

1469
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,110
that their actions, the
consequences of their actions,

1470
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,050
which might result in like
social, it's embedded in praise.

1471
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:17,900
Yeah, it's like, you know,
you've got a lot of friends.

1472
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:18,710
Yeah.
And you're lovely.

1473
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,350
Yeah.
You're you're so, like right

1474
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,070
now, having such a nice chat.
But these choices you're making,

1475
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,150
they're going to have a
consequence.

1476
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,790
And they are choices, aren't
they?

1477
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,290
And you talk to them.
You say you chose to do this,

1478
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:32,790
you could have chosen this, and
you give them things they could

1479
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,810
have done.
It's always so carefully

1480
01:01:34,820 --> 01:01:37,580
structured.
Because if we simply go up to a

1481
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:40,420
child and essentially tell them
they're bad, yeah, And then walk

1482
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:42,280
away, that's just negative.
It's negative.

1483
01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:43,480
It's horrible.
I'm an adult.

1484
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:45,840
They're a child.
And I don't like you now, right?

1485
01:01:45,850 --> 01:01:49,000
So I think the the thing I wanna
come back full circle to is we

1486
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:52,260
spoke about how I expect them to
behave in lessons and to learn

1487
01:01:52,270 --> 01:01:55,380
things and stuff like that.
In the same way we teach

1488
01:01:55,390 --> 01:01:59,120
children how to interpret
primary and secondary sources in

1489
01:01:59,130 --> 01:02:01,640
history.
I think it's our job to teach

1490
01:02:01,650 --> 01:02:05,700
children how to behave.
And would we ever say that every

1491
01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:07,570
child ends in the same way when
it comes to maths?

1492
01:02:07,580 --> 01:02:08,880
Yeah, no, of course, of course
you wouldn't.

1493
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:11,270
So why are we?
Why are we pretending that every

1494
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,710
child learns in the same way
that you just behave and half

1495
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,730
the time will not even teaching
them we just say do this?

1496
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:18,470
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Imagine going to Mass and saying

1497
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,640
add four.
Yeah, never done it before.

1498
01:02:20,650 --> 01:02:21,790
Add 400.
Con.

1499
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,490
You can't do it.
Detention.

1500
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:25,730
Yeah, OK.
Those kids can praise, praise,

1501
01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:26,770
praise, praise, praise.
Exactly.

1502
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:29,490
So I just think there's got to
be a mixture of stuff.

1503
01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:31,890
I think the extremes on both
ends are ridiculous.

1504
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,870
So the 1970s from the rule at
someone's face Don't.

1505
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,450
Do that physical punishment
horrible.

1506
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:38,320
Stupid conditioning.
Silly.

1507
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:39,470
Yeah.
Ohh.

1508
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,660
Are are some things moving too
far the other way now?

1509
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:44,200
I think so, yeah.
I think we've just got to fight

1510
01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:46,640
to keep common sense.
Yeah, yeah, that's it, isn't it?

1511
01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:49,860
Everything's common sense.
Stop blanket thinking about

1512
01:02:49,870 --> 01:02:52,080
anything.
Just put like just individually

1513
01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:54,000
think about the they're they're
human beings.

1514
01:02:54,070 --> 01:02:56,360
They have an entire life like
you and all your whole

1515
01:02:56,370 --> 01:02:58,300
everything complex about you.
They have that as well.

1516
01:02:58,310 --> 01:03:02,280
I think that would be my #1 tip
to an ECT if someone had to say

1517
01:03:02,290 --> 01:03:06,340
to me you've got an ECT and you
can say one thing to them.

1518
01:03:06,350 --> 01:03:10,060
One bit of advice, I think that
encompasses enough to say to

1519
01:03:10,070 --> 01:03:13,900
them, treat them like this
sounds so condescending.

1520
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:15,290
Cause I don't.
I'm not saying that everyone

1521
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:16,900
doesn't do it, but I just
remember being at school and

1522
01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:19,300
thinking, I can't believe you're
not treating me like I'm human.

1523
01:03:19,350 --> 01:03:22,740
Yeah, yeah, treat them like
individual human beings.

1524
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:24,880
Yeah, and that encompasses so
much.

1525
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:26,580
That encompasses
differentiation, that

1526
01:03:26,590 --> 01:03:29,050
encompasses their needs, that
encompasses understanding them,

1527
01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:30,790
that encompasses building
relationship with them.

1528
01:03:30,830 --> 01:03:34,200
Everything comes down to treat
every single person in your room

1529
01:03:34,210 --> 01:03:39,200
like an individual human being.
So for me that is very powerful.

1530
01:03:39,350 --> 01:03:43,100
And I think when I was learning
to teach someone asked me cause

1531
01:03:43,110 --> 01:03:45,480
I cause my PC year finished and
we had a meeting with my link

1532
01:03:45,490 --> 01:03:49,060
tutor and she had she was such a
nice question because it was a

1533
01:03:49,070 --> 01:03:51,840
question embedded in like a bit
of praise because she wasn't

1534
01:03:51,850 --> 01:03:53,500
someone that like she was so
lovely.

1535
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:56,020
I like I was so influenced by
this woman, Gina Donaldson.

1536
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:58,330
I don't know you're not gonna be
listening, but you're you're

1537
01:03:58,340 --> 01:03:59,280
amazing.
She will.

1538
01:03:59,450 --> 01:04:02,180
She's amazing, like math
specialist, so good like me, my

1539
01:04:02,190 --> 01:04:02,940
specialist.
You.

1540
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,580
Ohh.
Well, anyway she would you have

1541
01:04:05,590 --> 01:04:07,180
like a debrief at the end
qualified.

1542
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:09,500
And she's so lovely.
And I always remember the

1543
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:12,210
questions she asked me and the
question was, what do you think

1544
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:15,010
made you had such a successful
year, right.

1545
01:04:15,020 --> 01:04:18,110
And that was just like I was
like just taking.

1546
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,350
It yes access embedded in the
thank you and and but she's

1547
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,170
asking me why as well she's like
ohh that's not only did you have

1548
01:04:23,180 --> 01:04:24,720
a good year I wanna hear from.
You.

1549
01:04:24,730 --> 01:04:26,500
She was talking to the person.
Ohh.

1550
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:27,780
Sorry, we'll come to you in a
minute.

1551
01:04:27,790 --> 01:04:32,410
Just work.
Possibly Pasty brought food, but

1552
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:36,930
no, she she asked that question
and I just remember saying I

1553
01:04:36,940 --> 01:04:39,910
think it's because I said two
things.

1554
01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:44,460
I copied really good teachers.
Yeah, which is literally, I did,

1555
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,360
umm, Fran Pettit.
Nicole Mannings.

1556
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:49,400
Not Mannings anymore.
But yeah, they all my two

1557
01:04:49,410 --> 01:04:50,460
people.
I just copied them.

1558
01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:53,360
I was like, you're amazing.
I'm gonna copy.

1559
01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:57,440
You did as best I could.
And the other thing was I got on

1560
01:04:57,450 --> 01:05:02,960
with the children I I made an
effort to understand them and

1561
01:05:02,970 --> 01:05:05,040
know them.
Rather than it's a number of 32.

1562
01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:08,430
Yeah, they're just like data.
I've got 32 individual children

1563
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,100
in there.
Yeah.

1564
01:05:09,150 --> 01:05:11,240
And I love the idea of being
able to.

1565
01:05:11,250 --> 01:05:14,470
Any one of them have.
I'd be by the end of the year.

1566
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,360
I want to be able to have a 5
minute conversation with any of

1567
01:05:16,370 --> 01:05:19,410
them and not before and be like,
I know exactly what your

1568
01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:20,400
interests are.
You can talk to me.

1569
01:05:20,410 --> 01:05:22,500
I can talk to you just chilled
out, have a chat.

1570
01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:25,620
And that's what happens now when
I walk through the corridor and

1571
01:05:25,630 --> 01:05:27,550
one of the kids stops me.
Like I've done my job.

1572
01:05:27,610 --> 01:05:28,360
Yeah.
I've done my.

1573
01:05:29,390 --> 01:05:31,670
A kid came back to school today,
but I thought three years ago.

1574
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:33,520
Ohh.
And you know what happened in

1575
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:36,080
the school you saw.
Yeah tall girl next to me.

1576
01:05:36,090 --> 01:05:37,500
Oh my God.
Ohh, no, no.

1577
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:39,890
Because I I didn't tell you.
So the podcast exclusive.

1578
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:41,880
Exclusive.
Don't wait for this news.

1579
01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:43,920
You haven't come out yet.
And I was already out.

1580
01:05:44,090 --> 01:05:45,040
And this girl.
Yeah.

1581
01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:48,280
And that girl came up to me and
said, excuse me, Mr. Price.

1582
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:50,350
And I kind of recognised that.
I don't think I taught her.

1583
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:51,760
Kind of recognised and.
OK.

1584
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:55,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Does Mr Stevens still work here?

1585
01:05:55,530 --> 01:05:58,280
And I went warms my heart and I
said yeah, he does actually,

1586
01:05:58,330 --> 01:05:59,580
yeah.
He'll be out in a minute.

1587
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,650
And she literally turned around
to her Mama now, like.

1588
01:06:01,660 --> 01:06:03,670
Chess.
Yeah, yeah, come on.

1589
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,600
She said that she'd come back a
few times and I hadn't just.

1590
01:06:05,610 --> 01:06:07,030
It was just like days.
Obviously we're not there.

1591
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,530
Yeah.
Ohh, I love that.

1592
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,730
Yeah.
Ohh yeah, obviously.

1593
01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:12,690
Thursday, Friday, yeah.
She she like she she celebrated

1594
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,860
like my team had scored a goal.
Yeah, of course.

1595
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:16,910
And then her mum.
Ohh.

1596
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,470
OK, wait, wait and wait for you
to come out.

1597
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,080
Nice relationship with her and
her family.

1598
01:06:20,090 --> 01:06:22,310
So it was really nice.
It was one of the COVID years,

1599
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,080
so it was like our online year.
So just a different bond, wasn't

1600
01:06:25,090 --> 01:06:26,540
it?
Like I spoke to the parents a

1601
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:28,130
lot more online.
We were just chatting

1602
01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:31,570
differently really.
Have a little chat with her and

1603
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:32,920
she was just, yeah, just
buzzing.

1604
01:06:32,930 --> 01:06:34,870
And I just, I loved that she was
buzzing to see me because it

1605
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,610
means I did what you said.
I did my job properly.

1606
01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:37,930
She enjoyed our time.
Yeah.

1607
01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:40,050
Because if we get a short time
really together yeah.

1608
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:42,540
I think one of the most power
just finished with my last one

1609
01:06:42,550 --> 01:06:46,060
of the most powerful things I've
done with behaviour once I've

1610
01:06:46,610 --> 01:06:49,580
developed some sort of mutual
respect relationship with the

1611
01:06:49,590 --> 01:06:49,890
kids.
Right.

1612
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,020
And we've got a bit of trust
going on is do a comparison

1613
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:56,040
where I directly talk about
myself but with them.

1614
01:06:56,090 --> 01:06:59,120
So I'm like the most powerful
thing I've ever said to someone.

1615
01:06:59,130 --> 01:07:01,270
I've seen their face drop and
they understand what I'm saying.

1616
01:07:01,340 --> 01:07:03,800
Or rather than just telling them
off, is they've come to me upset

1617
01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:07,000
that they're in having a having
a tiff with a friend or whatever

1618
01:07:07,210 --> 01:07:09,030
and they've done something.
So in my head, I'm thinking,

1619
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,940
right, you're the problem.
But kids don't like to hear

1620
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:11,810
that.
They don't like to hear

1621
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:14,010
actually, it's your fault.
You started this.

1622
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,980
You you're the one that took
this too far and you did a thing

1623
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,280
and it annoyed that, you know.
And now they're annoyed at you

1624
01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:19,810
basically.
And they come to you saying

1625
01:07:19,820 --> 01:07:21,450
they're annoyed at not being my
friend.

1626
01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:22,480
And I said.
You know what?

1627
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:24,210
Based on what?
Her?

1628
01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:27,500
Based on what you told me, if I
was, you're the problem, yeah?

1629
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:29,220
Yeah, you ever know, start
everything.

1630
01:07:29,230 --> 01:07:32,510
Like, yeah, I love swearing and
you're the problem.

1631
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:36,600
No, no, I've just said I've
been.

1632
01:07:36,610 --> 01:07:38,660
It's that, you know, you said
about being brutally honest.

1633
01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:41,870
Well, yeah, this is brutal in
the way of just like you don't

1634
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,400
wanna.
Hear it but in but in a good way

1635
01:07:43,410 --> 01:07:46,500
as in like in a restorative way.
In a constructive way.

1636
01:07:46,550 --> 01:07:49,190
I've said to a few children in
the past when it's the right

1637
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,430
situation they've explained
something and I've gone.

1638
01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:55,760
If I was your friend I would
also my feelings would be hurt

1639
01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:57,520
right now.
I wouldn't want to talk to you

1640
01:07:57,530 --> 01:07:59,460
right now.
And they've got it because I'm

1641
01:07:59,470 --> 01:08:01,600
I'm someone they trust right now
and they actually want me to be

1642
01:08:01,610 --> 01:08:03,940
their friend almost in a way and
and I've said to them as an

1643
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:06,160
adult.
Do they are looking for advice?

1644
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:08,800
I've said if I think if I was
your friend, I wouldn't want to

1645
01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:10,610
talk to you right now because
that was really mean.

1646
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,110
And they're like, whoa, OK And
adults would do the same thing.

1647
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,800
And I've seen kids faces sort of
be like.

1648
01:08:16,500 --> 01:08:19,890
Realised penny drops maybe.
Maybe.

1649
01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:22,240
And there's that moment of in
your life where you realise

1650
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:23,910
you're not introspect ways
right.

1651
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,830
Yeah, maybe.
I maybe I was actually the main

1652
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,450
problem.
I it was my fault.

1653
01:08:28,540 --> 01:08:29,750
And that's really important in
life.

1654
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,600
Is that what you think every
time one of the podcast episodes

1655
01:08:31,609 --> 01:08:32,010
is?
Bad.

1656
01:08:32,060 --> 01:08:35,410
No, Because unfortunately, maybe
nothing's my fault.

1657
01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:38,740
I never went through that phase,
so I just get to tell.

1658
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,430
I did tell the people I'm like,
God, they're lucky they got me.

1659
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,700
And if, if that was me, I would
have hated this podcast episode.

1660
01:08:47,859 --> 01:08:51,050
Yeah, so that's good.
Jokes aside, I mean, when we're

1661
01:08:51,060 --> 01:08:52,990
serious with all three minutes,
wanna say jokes, that's why.

1662
01:08:53,069 --> 01:08:54,979
Yeah, but it's absolutely true
and I think.

1663
01:08:54,990 --> 01:08:57,109
You gotta be careful.
You got me really care but but

1664
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,870
but like you're right and I
think sometimes though what is

1665
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,100
still acceptable, some parents
might find wrong.

1666
01:09:05,149 --> 01:09:08,100
Yeah and and and whether it's
acceptable or not, you'd never

1667
01:09:08,109 --> 01:09:10,020
want to cross that line because
you wanna work with the parent.

1668
01:09:10,069 --> 01:09:12,580
So you've got to just pick and
choose your things and and just

1669
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:17,819
make sure everything's rooted in
truth, reason and help.

1670
01:09:18,090 --> 01:09:20,660
Like, if you're doing something
to be spiteful, what are you

1671
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:22,240
doing as a teacher?
You're gonna get caught out.

1672
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:24,979
And yeah, more for you.
Genuinely.

1673
01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:26,180
I tried everything I tried to
do.

1674
01:09:26,189 --> 01:09:28,120
Try to be constructive.
And sometimes, yeah, the truth

1675
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:30,100
hurts a little bit.
Well, I'm dripping.

1676
01:09:30,569 --> 01:09:33,939
We're over an hour.
So what we call it, well, over

1677
01:09:33,950 --> 01:09:35,920
an hour.
I think we had one jingo in that

1678
01:09:35,930 --> 01:09:37,970
whole thing.
Yeah guys, one edit as well

1679
01:09:37,979 --> 01:09:39,590
where you made a mistake.
You spat on my face.

1680
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,859
Actually, I did actually.
I'm sorry about that, but I'm

1681
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:46,240
thinking next week, potentially,
yeah, because the man's coming

1682
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:49,160
tomorrow to mention out.
Ohh, I wanna know.

1683
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,029
Although this is kind of
answering the question for me,

1684
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,150
I'm gonna go back to my room.
Yeah I've enjoyed face to face.

1685
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,100
I really wanna know what people
think cause we had some feedback

1686
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:58,570
and it was good.
I want more.

1687
01:09:58,620 --> 01:10:00,490
So genuinely, yeah, face to
face.

1688
01:10:01,170 --> 01:10:03,120
How did you find the episode and
if it was worse?

1689
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:06,880
Tell us, just be honest long
term, cause long term if you

1690
01:10:06,890 --> 01:10:09,270
really like it we would, we
would quite like to actually set

1691
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,240
up a bit of a studio.
Yeah with the equipment we've

1692
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:13,160
got we just need a different
location.

1693
01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:16,250
Someone I know actually just
bought a new house so everyone

1694
01:10:16,260 --> 01:10:18,810
might have some room, I don't
know.

1695
01:10:18,850 --> 01:10:20,180
Do you know him?
No.

1696
01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:22,500
No.
God, I bet he's stressed though.

1697
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:24,450
Yeah, he told me, moving on the
last day.

1698
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,730
Horrible Guy, moaning mother
kids.

1699
01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:31,860
You know you got no friends.
Never tell you what, very

1700
01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:34,470
quickly, no matter how stressed
you get as a teacher, this kids

1701
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,460
come through the door, bang,
yeah, straight back onto it.

1702
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:38,730
Horrible.
Horrible shooting straight.

1703
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:43,230
But when they're back onto it, I
forget about it.

1704
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,620
Yeah, I really do.
Like they're so funny.

1705
01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:46,630
I love them, yeah.
So good.

1706
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,990
I look at them, I see they, they
look to me like just marking.

1707
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:51,740
I see.
Just like their face just blurs

1708
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:54,160
into a book and I'm sort of
seething thinking I've got a

1709
01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:58,530
mark that later every single one
of you is another green.

1710
01:10:58,540 --> 01:10:59,810
Tick.
Yeah.

1711
01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:07,390
Put three lessons today.
Look, anyway, I did enjoy that

1712
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,270
and I hope people found it
useful not only just to think,

1713
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,730
ohh, I'm doing a good job.
Yeah, I'm doing this.

1714
01:11:12,740 --> 01:11:13,710
I'm doing.
That and also that.

1715
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:14,870
We're doing a good job.
Yeah, yeah.

1716
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,590
Please tell.
Us.

1717
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:16,630
How much of a good job we're
doing?

1718
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,960
But you know the people, they
want to talk to me when I go to

1719
01:11:18,970 --> 01:11:21,170
canteen, yeah.
I think it's time we go for a

1720
01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:25,020
shower.
I'm already having a shower feel

1721
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:27,520
like and and this is true.
I've just looked at them.

1722
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:30,220
I've got wrinkly fingers like
I've been in the in the swimming

1723
01:11:30,230 --> 01:11:34,560
for too.
Long ohh wow.

1724
01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:36,070
Like a prune.
Your mum's going to start

1725
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,680
thinking you got hand problems
as well.

1726
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:40,680
Don't tell him if it's a
condition, but his hands are

1727
01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:44,410
like prunes and he's not been in
the bath Anyway guys, listen, go

1728
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:46,420
and check out our episodes as
the good stuff in the past.

1729
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:48,400
We have some really good guests
on as well and there are some of

1730
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:50,760
my favourites out.
We're gonna get some more guests

1731
01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:52,470
on soon, which had a little bit
of a break because we had so

1732
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,780
many in such a short time.
We kind of as we always do.

1733
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:58,200
We get a bit obsessed.
We exhausted everyone we spoke

1734
01:11:58,210 --> 01:11:59,840
to and it was summer.
Quick people checking out

1735
01:11:59,850 --> 01:12:01,840
summer, You've moved house.
I've got a few lined up.

1736
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:03,320
Have you?
Yeah.

1737
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:04,170
Nice.
Let's go.

1738
01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:05,470
That's a lie.
See you later, guys.

1739
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,690
Alright, see you later.
It's a lie.

1740
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:08,350
It's not really.