Aug. 3, 2023
Ep 25: Mr P on Ofsted, AI & Growing His Online Brand
Lee Parkinson (A.K.A. Mr P) is a hugely popular primary school teacher who has grown a huge online following through offering training courses to school staff, creating funny education related memes & hosting an award-winning podcast with his brother (2 Mr Ps in a Podcast).
Lee sat down with us to chat about all things 'ICT with Mr P' and how the decade long slog got him to where he is today.
We discuss Ofsted with brutal honesty, government funding and the effect it's had on our schools and also the impact AI could have on teacher workload.
Lee was a fantastic guest and we hope you find the episode as engaging and fun as we did!
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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode
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of Tech Step Repeat.
My name is Dylan.
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And my name is Hayden.
And we are so excited because
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you know, you've seen it.
You've seen the thumbnail.
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We're not going to waffle Waffle
as we do all the time before we
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get into the guest.
Hayden Wiffle Waffle.
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There's there's no time for
Wiffle waffling, whatever that
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is because we have a super
guest.
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We're so excited.
We want to play it for you as
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soon as possible.
Hayden Aren't we all ready for?
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This ridiculous, excited.
We had this guest lined up for a
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while.
We spoke to him earlier in the
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week.
So you're listening to a
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recording and I will just say
now.
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I don't normally say before, but
I just absolutely loved it.
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He was so down to earth, the
wonderful ICT with Mr P of
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course, and and yeah, I think
you'll enjoy the chat.
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We certainly did loads and loads
of words of wisdom, some funny
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bits and anecdotes.
Just a really good chat to those
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of you.
So enjoy.
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Today we are joined by one of
the best known faces in primary
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teaching ICT with Mr P, AKA Mr.
Lee Parkinson Lee, It is great
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to have you on today.
How you doing?
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I'm good, mate, yeah, we're at
the start of the summer
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holidays.
I've been dreading these summer
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holidays.
To be honest though, because my
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heart.
I'm halfway through an extension
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at my house, so I've got the
next six weeks with one room of
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the house and my 3:00.
Children who were an age where
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their whole life seems to be
about bickering and fighting and
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arguing, and I'm currently
having solo as well.
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I'm the only pair in in my wifes
away for a few days, so yeah,
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like to be on this podcast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm just staying in here all
day.
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This is going to be the 1/5 hour
interview.
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We can make this drag out as
long as you want.
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I did hear on your on your last
podcast episode you said about
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how you've not had a kitchen for
however long and you just living
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off the air fryer.
Mate, what an invention.
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Unbelievable.
I've got one.
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I've got a kitchen.
I still don't use it.
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I've just used the air right
now.
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Yeah, it's like it's perfect.
I love the fact that it has all
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these settings, but you just
literally throw anything in 20
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minutes.
Done.
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And it's always 20 minutes,
isn't it?
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No matter what I look up, I'm
like, OK, what about this?
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Ohh, 20 minutes?
OK, cool.
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Just 20 minutes.
You did?
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It's the best thing.
Then it's up there.
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Top 3 for me.
Inventions of my lifetime, I
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reckon.
Yeah, right.
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Over the course of this episode,
we're going to fill in that over
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2 slots in that top three.
Yeah, you just feel it.
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I can feel it right now.
Anyway, Lee, I'm going to jump
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in because as always when we
have a guest on, I do this quick
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fire round.
I just say a word and you just
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say your first reaction.
Basically.
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They're all linked to school.
And Hayden's made making me stop
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this game now because apparently
it's gone on for too long and
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I'm really too long just eking
it out.
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So you're the last one, you know
it's gonna be the the best one
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as well, I'm sure.
So you all good if we crack?
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On Yeah.
Yeah.
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So it's one word or just a
couple of words, if you can do
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one word, but you know, couple
of words.
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We're not too far.
We're not too fast.
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OK, OK, ready?
Yeah, let's go, AI.
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Time saver, Ofsted.
Criminals I can't wait to I love
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this because we dive into it
after TA's.
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Underpaid iPads.
Amazing memes.
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Hilarious.
Yeah, this very government.
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Ohh, that's enough that sound.
In that in that okay strikes.
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Necessary.
Hmm.
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Teacher gifts valued.
Hmm, definitely.
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And we just kind of talked about
it some holidays.
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Gaslighting.
Ohh, Can we dive straight into
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that one?
Yeah, go.
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Can we dive straight into that
one?
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What do you what do you mean?
I mean it for two reasons,
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right?
So I don't get me wrong, I have
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a sort of love hate relationship
with summer holidays or just any
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of the teacher holidays we get.
But what really frustrates me is
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obviously with the past year and
the strikes and I've been quite
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outspoken about the strikes and
why we're striking the the
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amount of people who aren't in
education who use that ohh, well
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you get 30 weeks off paid that
trope to just deny us.
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A voice and sort of talking
about why we are straight.
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It's just so.
Bloody frustrating as a as an
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it's just a pointless argue.
I just you know it's always been
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that way but all of a sudden now
it's sort of because of the
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society we've as a society we've
accepted this thing of like as a
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work you don't have any rights
and you know zero hour contracts
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all that sort of stuff.
So you know you sort of
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manipulated into believing now
you can only be a successful
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parent if you're working every
hour under the sun.
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And I don't know the official
statistics, but I think if we
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were to look into it as a
generation of parents, we
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probably spend the least amount
of time with our kids than.
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We ever have done, yeah.
And then it's like, well, it's
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always been up, but now that you
get 12 weeks off and I don't
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that, I'm gonna use that to just
bash you as much as possible.
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Plus, I also think that for
teachers, it can be quite
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gaslight and it can almost
excuse a lot of the bad things
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that we have to put up with
during term time.
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So you've got, you're in this
never ending cycle of crawling
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to the break, normally being ill
for the first few days as your
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body just recovers from it right
now, by the way, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
And then you have a few more
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days where you sort of recover
and you start to relax and
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switch off and you're like,
actually this is pretty good.
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You know, teaching.
Teaching isn't as bad.
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And then?
And then you start again and
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you're into that cycle where
during term time you have to
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sacrifice.
And it shouldn't be that way,
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but the current system has it
where you sacrifice and you sort
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of.
Health well-being and social
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life and all that sort of stuff.
Just to crawl to next holiday,
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it's that sort of thing.
So yes, that's why I've I've
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said that for for school
holidays.
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I feel like there's a kind of
like a linear, very predictable
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conversation that I've had over
the last eight years with people
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that have that sort of opinion
of the summer holidays, like
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negative opinion of teachers,
ohh you get all this holiday.
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What normally happens is then
someone that isn't teaching says
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yeah but we work in the holidays
and we do this, this and that
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and then the next bit is them
then going ohh teachers what I
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do is moan.
Unless they get over it,
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snowflakes come up and it's like
there's no winning.
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Like where?
What is the point of this
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conversation?
What the what?
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The thing is, what people don't
realise is until you get in
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education, until you're working
education, because you know,
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teaching should be the best job
in the world, but the system is
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so.
Crap that when we're moaning,
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we're not moaning about working
hard, cause teachers are hard
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working people.
You know it.
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You're not gonna find another
profession that sort of puts the
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graft in as much as teachers do.
But I think the frustrating
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thing for us is so much of our
time at the minute is spent on
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stuff that doesn't have an
impact.
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That is just a load of rubbish
that we could easily stop doing
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it and have no impact.
But we carry on and it's like
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why are we doing this?
Why am I having to work double
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my contracted hours a week on
stuff that?
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Has absolutely no impact on
teaching learning, but it's that
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sort of blanket.
Or yeah, old teachers do his
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moment.
It's like, no, no, come and work
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a week, come and work a week,
see how ridiculous the system is
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and then you sort of get it.
For me on that point is I just
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think we wouldn't have a
retention and recruitment crisis
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right now if it was this lovey,
dovey job that everyone comes
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makes out.
That is it.
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It doesn't.
It doesn't add up, does it?
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It's like, OK, in one respect,
you're saying it's the easiest
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job in the world.
You get 13 weeks off a year, but
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then in the next breath we're
talking about how we have
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consistently, for the last 10
years, not recruited enough
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teachers.
It it just doesn't add.
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Up and and and and with the
holidays if there were this be
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all and end all that everyone
says.
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Why have we got the biggest
retention crisis we've ever seen
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in education if they are this
wonderful sort of And don't get
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me wrong they are a perk.
I'm not for one second
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suggesting we scrap him.
Please.
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I don't know.
What would you take?
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Would you take a sort of generic
what?
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What's the normal set holidays
someone will get joining
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normally 5?
Weeks. 5-6, right?
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So let's say it's 5-6 weeks but.
On on the other week she just
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work your contracted hours.
No homework, no weekend work.
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Just standard like you're in
school contract that if if it
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was teaching that we were doing
in that job right I would pick
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the probably the latter option
because I love.
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I love teaching.
I think the thing never ever do.
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I begrudge going in and teaching
the kids some maths and some
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reading and some English and
science like that's the part of
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the job we love doing.
So if that's all we were doing
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I'd happily do more of it.
I think you're right.
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But the the point now we are
being gassed aren't we?
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Because we're being although you
said it's the best job in the
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world, but you just, you know,
and you get all this time off.
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It's just that we're gonna make
this imaginary job and put a
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clause in your contract which
says you've got to do as much
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time as you need to to get this
job done that we've made-up.
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And it's just so frustrating.
So funnily enough, I don't know
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about you, Hayden.
I actually think I would pick
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the second option there with
fewer holidays, but with just
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pure teaching.
Yeah, I think so.
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I think so, because at the end
of the day, all we'd be cutting
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out is the stuff we don't like
doing.
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So it's like, yeah, I'll I'll
work more weeks, but do all of
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the stuff I like doing and have
a slightly.
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Less and and it's not even stuff
we don't like doing.
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It's stuff that we don't need to
do most of the time.
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It's.
You know what I mean?
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It's, you know, which sort of
links to.
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Like Ofsted being the main
reason for that, it was.
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You know criminals.
What?
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What made you say that?
Well, just I'm not not all of
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them, you know.
I know, I know there's some
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brilliant inspectors out there.
But yeah, there's some really
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bad ones and really bad eggs who
you know I get my since the news
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about Ruth Perry and it really
did affect me that and and you
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know I made, I made a couple of
videos about it and the first
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video I made where I sort of
talked about it, I had at least.
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Fixed half a dozen sort of
messages from the school leaders
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who said they were in the exact
same mindset and had one head
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teacher who said at the end of
the first first day of an
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inspection, he left school at
gone midnight and he knew he
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wasn't going to make it home.
Like he'd accept he wasn't going
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to make and you just think.
How can you be so tone deaf to
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not realise the sort of
detrimental impact you're having
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on the profession should be
supporting and again I'm not, I
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don't you know say every
inspectors like that because
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some are, some are amazing and
you know for every well I'd say
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pre Roof Perry for every 10
schools who say the inspection
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was really negative you'd get
one or two.
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Who said it was a positive
experience?
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I think obviously the Ruth Perry
has changed that and actually.
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On all the sort of training I've
done since and speaking schools
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who have been inspected, it
seems all of a sudden it's a
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much more positive experience,
which again is very telling and.
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But I get message from teachers
all the time.
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Like in the last week I must
have got about 5 messages about
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getting the call.
Like we've had the call.
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Any advice?
And I can't give any advice.
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All I can ever say is good luck.
And that's the problem.
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It's all about luck.
It's all about luck as far as
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whether you get the right
inspector on the right day,
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who's going to give you a fair
crack at the wit to sort of show
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and and and and give a a decent
account of what you're doing at
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your school.
And what then really annoys me
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is we all know this.
As teachers, we all know the
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systems flawed.
We all know that Austin in its
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current form is not a force for
good in education.
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I'm not against having it.
We need that level of
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accountability.
But in its current form, you
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will never convince me it's a
force for good.
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We all know it's a luck of the
draw.
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So if we get an inspector who
comes in, gives us a fair crack
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at it, we then do all right and
they say right you could
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outstanding.
What do we then do as a school?
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By a massive banner.
By a massive banner, Yeah, stick
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it outside the school.
Get the local news in and make
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this big force about a person
who's not been in a school for I
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don't know how long, Telling us
that we're good or outstanding
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yet.
We know full well on a different
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day with a different inspector,
it have been a completely
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different outcome and you've got
livelihoods on the line.
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You've got everyone's mental
health all over.
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It just doesn't make sense why
we're we're sort of our own
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worst enemies with it.
And it's frustrating because on
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that point I think teachers go
even further sometimes because I
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did and I know Hayden did that
when we were in that environment
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previously when we were younger
teachers and we were observed a
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lot, we were observed a lot in
in our school and we were given
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a grade.
So as a teacher which is not
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best practise now at all,
doesn't happen a lot now.
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But it used to happen a lot
more.
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And we were told, oh, you know,
that was that was an outstanding
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lesson.
And I remember it took about 6
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observations.
And it would kind of like a way
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to kind of dangle a carrot from
SLT as if to say, ohh, you know,
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you're good, you're you're
becoming outstanding, you're
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there.
You know these these like
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prompts in between and they all
fed into this idea of Ofsted of
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you need to get to outstanding.
When we got to outstanding, if
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SLT said that was outstanding
lesson, I remember I I'd go, I'd
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go and find Hayden.
I'd go and find my other
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teaching partner, like God
standing.
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And then I'd call myself an out
takeaway.
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Tonight.
Yeah, I know it would.
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It would be like that.
Like, wow, we're going out on
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the town tonight guys.
This random person SLT has said
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that my maths lesson on rounding
was outstanding.
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So what?
All the other staff aren't
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coming because they got told
they were not and they're all
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crying and because they were
really hard.
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In this lesson exactly.
What it says someone else
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system.
It's that grading.
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I mean that's the easiest thing
Ofsted could have done off the
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back of it.
He's got rid of the grading now,
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I don't know if you're aware.
So over in Wales, the
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inspectorate in Wales is called
testing, right?
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Which I always laugh at because
it always sounds like somebody
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got off a lads holiday in
Magaluf than it was the holiday.
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Yeah, it was good.
But let's get some antibiotics.
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Got a bit of an?
And and they they've got rid of
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the grades this year.
So they they all do a report.
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So they'll come in and do an
inspection, they'll write a
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report and it will highlight
your sort of strengths and areas
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for development, but they won't.
Sort of take a complex machine
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like a school and give it a one
word grading.
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Now that's not had any negative
impact on schools in Wales at
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all.
So why Ousted can't do that is
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because that those gradings give
Ofsted all the power.
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And it means that their, their
opinion is is valued because
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there's so much money in it.
You get us, you get an area
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where all of a sudden there's a
couple of outstanding schools,
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Every house is value can go up
10 grand.
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Could you see it on right move
or Zoopla?
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Outstanding school checker area.
Exactly.
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It it's this is, this is the
problem that we kind of
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perpetuate exactly what you're
saying.
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Like we fall into that trap of
thinking.
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It's important.
And I think what a lot of
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parents do, which I say all the
time, when I get parents ask me,
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my friends who aren't in
teaching, they'll say to me, oh,
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this school's outstanding, isn't
it?
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And I'll say on paper, sure.
But I know three people who work
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there and I wouldn't send my
child to this school.
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Or I might you might see a
school where she's good and I'd
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be like, send your child to that
school to teach.
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So Unreal support staff and
couldn't do enough for you, but
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Ofsted said they were good in
2014 and it's like, what's that
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got to do anything, the amount
of change that can happen.
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Ohh and and yeah, I mean I've
been to so many school.
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I mean I've travelled here,
there and everywhere.
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So I see it all the time.
There are some outstanding
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outstanding schools that you
couldn't pay me the world to
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teach in because it's toxic.
There's turnovers ridiculous.
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Whereas this other schools are
going where it's requires
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improvement or whatever and and
doing some amazing things for
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the kids, you know, it's just
that.
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Sort of.
That sort of league table
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comparing you know a funny one
was I was in a school just
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before Christmas and the the
part of a small Academy sort of
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group and there's only like 3
schools in the Academy in the
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local area and this school I was
at is the lead school so there
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RE teacher there has developed
this RE curriculum.
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Sort of.
Implemented it in her school.
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Implemented it in the two other
schools when they got ousted.
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It got pulled as a deep dive and
she was like pulled apart.
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It was pulled apart, it was not
good enough, blah blah blah.
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Yet the school down the road a
month later with a different
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inspection team.
What was the highlight of their
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report?
Yeah, yeah, alright, where's the
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consistency?
What?
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What?
The owners in the same trust.
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Same, same trust, same schema
work.
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But the original school who
rolled it out first, it's not
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good enough yet.
The school down the road, it's
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pretty.
I mean it's just.
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Me and Dylan had a chat recently
with with someone just kind of
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local school, who was Ofsted,
loads of our schools around here
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in Ofsted recently.
So yeah, everyone was like, oh,
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we're gonna be Ofsted.
And we were just chatting with
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someone who we knew from a
different school about their
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Ofsted experience and it was
really interesting.
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Because they were deep dived in
maths and if anyone is
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listening, we have some
listeners that aren't in the
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teaching world.
Ofsted will pick a couple of
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areas of your school and they're
really, really just literally
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dive deep into that area and
unpick it.
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So they had a deep dive in maths
and the guy said that the
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inspector that came didn't
really have any knowledge or
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experience in maths at all.
Would like to the point where
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they had no idea really what to
look for other than what was
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kind of on their script.
And he said he had, unless he if
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he wasn't confident, she would
have ripped them apart.
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On stuff that she had no idea
what she was talking about and
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he had to very much be like,
Nope, you're wrong because this.
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Yeah.
And you're looking at the wrong
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thing.
You're not.
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She was she was saying things
like, oh, you know, there's
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there's no evidence of problem
solving.
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And he was like, OK, you know,
we're looking at, so this is
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problem solving.
All of this that you're looking
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at right now, this is all
problem solving and This is why
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it's problem solving.
And he had to guide this
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inspector who was deep diving in
maths and didn't know anything
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about maths.
And he said it was a weird
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experience.
That's why I love being
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computing subject leader because
the likelihood of Ofsted
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choosing that as a deep dive
and.
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Even if they do they they
clueless mate.
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In fact, I know of 1 teacher who
sat there and did like a deep
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dive chat with and just made
stuff up.
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Just was like, I'm gonna see if
this inspector knows what
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they're talking about.
And so it's Ohh.
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Yeah.
In year five we do algorithmic
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dance sequences.
There's no such thing.
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Has made and and they're nodding
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah.
Sort of trying to type it up on
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the little tablet or whatever
they use now.
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Yeah, Couldn't turn the tablet
on, Didn't even have to do that.
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Never mind what I see dances.
But it is.
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I mean, I mean the thing with
the grading is is the parent
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side of things And and and I I
remember once I was away with my
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wife we've gone to York for the
weekend and we were sitting in a
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cafe and I could overhear this
couple and they only had like
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they had like a toddler and they
were talking about schools and
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they were sort of woman and
about which school they want to
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put the kid into.
And then they were talking about
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the Ofsted inspection.
My wife looking at me like don't
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lie, don't.
And I sort of leaned over and I
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said, listen, I'm a teacher.
If I was you, I'd take, I'd take
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it with a pinch of salt.
Nice.
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Go and go and see the school,
speak to the parents, get a feel
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for the school from the parents.
I mean it's like the the school,
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my kids, the secondary school,
my kids.
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Go to that.
How the dreadful Ofsted, which
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they tried to challenge but
couldn't end up carrying it on
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because you had to use your
school budget if you're going to
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take them to court or something.
But they've they've managed to
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not let that grade in impact the
reputation of the school and
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they're actually the most
oversubscribed they've ever been
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now.
And we were saying the other day
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how happy we were that we made
the decision to send them there
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because the kids absolutely
loving it, absolutely loving it.
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And yet they were pulled up over
some of you know.
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And I just think you gotta take
it all with a pinch of salt,
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because it is.
It's a flawed inconsistent
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system and the the biggest
problem there is not only is it
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detrimental to teachers like
you're saying in terms of the
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pressure of the one word
judgement, it's not even helpful
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like if it was helpful for
parents as well maybe maybe you
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could argue you know ohh well
yeah OK I know it's bad for
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teacher well-being but hey ho
where the government and we want
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to help the public because it's
public versus wherever you know
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it's it's not helpful for anyone
I don't think.
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Yeah, I mean the biggest lie in
education, I think.
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Is Ofsted's motto.
Ofsted's motto is Ofsted.
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Raising standards, improving
lives.
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Yeah.
And I think that's the biggest
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lie in education, because what
else to do is the check
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standards, right?
And I'm not against that.
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We need that.
Safeguarding, obviously is
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incredibly important.
You need that level of
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accountability and and that sort
of thing.
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So, you know, but don't make it
out like you improve stuff like
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you're coming into a school,
you're you're inspecting and all
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of a sudden teachers are getting
better off the back of that
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inspection.
That's not the case.
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Cheques done.
So you know, if we're being
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honest, it'd be Ofsted.
Checking standards ruining
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lives?
Yeah, not even, not even always
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doing that.
Like I'd I'd argue that that
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that, you know the analogy I
gave earlier about the the lady
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coming in and inspecting about
maths and not knowing anything
442
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,330
about maths.
If that maths lead wasn't
443
00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:35,890
particularly confident, they
might have taken on that
444
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:37,710
feedback and not challenged it
at all.
445
00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:40,720
And then gone and changed things
in their school because they
446
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:42,930
said, Oh no, they're not seeing
any problem solving.
447
00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:44,970
So we've got to do this now.
We have to do this now to make
448
00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:48,290
it visible and and done things
that didn't we've actually
449
00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:51,110
decreased.
Wanted to say what what's your
450
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:51,990
thoughts on this?
Right.
451
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,170
So I have a bit of a pet peeve
about how I feel like the
452
00:20:56,180 --> 00:21:00,210
inspection framework and a lot
of things in education is sort
453
00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:03,320
of geared towards secondary,
right.
454
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:07,710
So the current inspection
framework I think is creating a
455
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,070
lot more workload for primary
schools because they've gone
456
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,720
down this route of, you know,
subject specific deep dives and
457
00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:17,990
all this and you know which,
which is what secondary sort of
458
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,070
built for.
And I had this real annoyance
459
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,590
because obviously what I do when
I go into schools and I do
460
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,830
training, I very rarely do
anything with a secondary
461
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,210
school.
And I make it very clear that
462
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:31,150
I've never worked a day in
secondary in my life.
463
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,740
Now if a school wants to book me
in a second risk, I will go in.
464
00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:37,740
But it's very much like all I
know is the primary curriculum,
465
00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:40,050
how I use technology for that,
hopefully some of its
466
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:42,260
transferable.
But look I'm not.
467
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:45,570
I'm not an, you know, when my
hat goes off to secondary
468
00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:47,860
schools, I don't know how some
of them do it.
469
00:21:47,910 --> 00:21:50,460
Teenagers intimidate me.
I can deal with the younger one,
470
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:51,980
you know.
And I'm sure there's lots of
471
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:53,350
secondary school teachers said
the same.
472
00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:56,280
But there's so many people who
do what I do, where they go into
473
00:21:56,290 --> 00:21:59,340
schools who have never worked
today in primary, yet they'll
474
00:21:59,350 --> 00:22:02,670
come in and do a full day's
training about summer, having
475
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,580
never dealt with younger.
You know what I mean?
476
00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:07,170
And I got that.
Why are you doing that when
477
00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:10,090
you've never what you know?
And I feel like when it comes to
478
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,180
developing inspection
frameworks, curriculums, all
479
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:16,980
that sort of stuff, they don't
value primary school teachers as
480
00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:19,860
a voice with these.
Do you ever feel like, like it
481
00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:23,780
says, you know, small schools,
for example, a small primary
482
00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:25,880
schools, the ones who are
getting absolutely shafted with
483
00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:27,640
this current inspection
framework?
484
00:22:27,650 --> 00:22:31,160
Because if you're a school with
like 150 kids and so that's
485
00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:35,480
what, I don't know, six members
of staff, how many curriculum
486
00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:37,740
subjects are they 11:50.
So the likelihood is you're
487
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:40,300
doing 2.
So that's workload if you get.
488
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:42,880
Inspection.
I think that is insane.
489
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:45,860
I think it's absolutely insane.
And I think the pressure that
490
00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:48,820
comes with it is completely
unreasonable and unacceptable,
491
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:51,460
especially when, and I think
this is just like a kick in the
492
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:53,220
teeth.
This really grinds me and it
493
00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:56,490
annoys me.
So much that only some subjects,
494
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:59,560
some subject leads come with
like actual pay.
495
00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:03,340
I heard that firstly it just
perpetuates this myth that some
496
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:05,320
subjects are really important
and others just aren't.
497
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:08,380
And secondly, it doesn't make a
difference to workload.
498
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:10,700
It doesn't value the workload.
We're saying ohh, you only get
499
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:12,320
paid because that subject is
important.
500
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:16,480
Your workload is irrelevant.
Like what's that the the the the
501
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:18,520
the person that's doing PE and
geography.
502
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,440
Now you don't get paid anything.
English lead yet here you go,
503
00:23:21,550 --> 00:23:24,050
Here's extra payment.
They did more work.
504
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,260
They got deep dived in well, but
English, yeah.
505
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:29,370
Really.
And you know it used it used to
506
00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:33,260
be you'd get a TLR for leading a
subject exactly, whereas now
507
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:35,050
you're just expected to lead a
subject.
508
00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,990
Yeah, you know what?
I'll do that.
509
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,400
They'll take the TLR off the
other two and say, well, it's
510
00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:41,480
fair now, no one gets paid.
It's like it's not what we
511
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:42,610
meant.
That's not what we meant.
512
00:23:44,350 --> 00:23:46,200
It's all fair now.
It's equal, right?
513
00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:49,250
And we're like, Jesus, OK, this
is my worry if we accept the
514
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:51,760
offer.
And I'm not saying whether we do
515
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:55,900
or not, but whether it's the
right to do or not, but it's
516
00:23:55,910 --> 00:23:58,880
just, I just feel it's gonna
incentivise the government to
517
00:23:58,890 --> 00:24:01,800
say right, we've paged him more,
so you need to do more, you
518
00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:03,280
know.
That's what I'm worried about
519
00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:05,640
and I'm going to out myself as a
bit of a hypocrite now because I
520
00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:09,390
spent, I've spent the last two
months saying Rishi, come on,
521
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,920
it's been on the desk, the STR
report, it's been on the desk,
522
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:13,680
6.5%.
You need to fund it.
523
00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:14,990
You need to do this, You need to
do that.
524
00:24:15,050 --> 00:24:16,920
We can get into the debate of
whether it's funded or not.
525
00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:18,860
I still don't really understand
how it's funded.
526
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:21,540
The most confusing thing.
Yeah, I.
527
00:24:21,550 --> 00:24:24,980
Can't set it for every person
who said yeah it is funded,
528
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:27,060
someone's going but it but it's
not it's.
529
00:24:27,070 --> 00:24:30,500
Not and that that's vital right
As as his teacher that's why we
530
00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:34,260
outright denied the 4.5%.
I think we care more about the
531
00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,400
future of our schools.
I mean their own pay packet
532
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:38,320
which says something about the
kind of people we are.
533
00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:40,940
So yeah, you know the 6.5% call
we know it.
534
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:42,600
We know technically it's still a
pay cut.
535
00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:45,210
I'm willing to take that pay cut
against inflation.
536
00:24:45,220 --> 00:24:47,140
I think nearly every teacher in
the land is.
537
00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:50,140
But because I don't understand
how it's not fully funded now
538
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:52,870
and I've been saying you need to
offer the SRB and he's turned
539
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,380
around now and said OK.
And and I'm like, ohh, you've
540
00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:57,810
kind of done what I've said but
I still think I'm going to vote
541
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:59,600
to reject it for like four other
reasons.
542
00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:02,730
I I don't, I don't know it's
it's it's a tough one and I do
543
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:05,050
understand, Hayden called me out
basically and said haven't you
544
00:25:05,060 --> 00:25:06,540
been asking him to do what he's
just done?
545
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:09,040
And I'm like, yes, but now I've
read it, I still don't like it
546
00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,310
because I just, I worry that
those small schools are going to
547
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,810
be swallowed.
Swallowed up.
548
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:15,400
Yeah, yeah.
And and the the sort of feeling
549
00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:19,000
I'm getting from talking about
is IT support staff who are
550
00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:23,800
actually really sort of worried
about if it's not fully funded
551
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:26,620
it'll be them on the on the
chopping block.
552
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:29,730
You know what I mean?
And and and the fact that they
553
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:34,730
don't get valued anywhere near
enough is just so it's so wrong
554
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:36,910
because they they are the
backbone of every.
555
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,720
Teachers aren't school teachers.
Yeah, you know, we talked about
556
00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:41,330
this on the podcast.
It shouldn't be teaching
557
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,410
assistants, it should be
assistant teachers.
558
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,850
Small change, I've heard you say
before.
559
00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:47,200
Small change.
But it makes a difference,
560
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:50,030
doesn't it?
Because they are in the first
561
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,950
one, they're assistance in the
second one They're teachers,
562
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,030
which they are to denote some
tetas.
563
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,940
I remember in my old school
there was at a a wonderful
564
00:25:57,950 --> 00:26:00,030
woman, like one of my favourite
people ever.
565
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,690
Just couldn't do enough for
anyone that basically been a
566
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,750
teacher for 30 years but never
actually been a.
567
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:07,900
Teacher and got a teacher's wage
for it and she would teach more
568
00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:10,700
than me in my NQT year because
she was basically booked out for
569
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:13,820
cover for all 10 slots, all
mornings, all afternoons, all
570
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:16,180
week.
And she would teach more than
571
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:17,900
me.
And I would leave the room for
572
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,030
my NQT time and be like, Oh
yeah, you're right.
573
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,620
And I'd walk out, you know, with
my higher pay packet with with
574
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:25,870
my title as teacher.
She'd go in just this lovely
575
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,790
one.
They couldn't care less.
576
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,720
Just like ohh yeah, gonna do
some art with the kids.
577
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:31,400
And it just felt so wrong.
And I remember in that moment
578
00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:33,140
just thinking now she's a
teacher.
579
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:35,080
She is a more experienced
teacher than me.
580
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,140
Well I have the exact same type
of TA.
581
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:41,390
When I wouldn't have got through
my QT had it not been for my TA,
582
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,240
she carried me, carried me.
Yep.
583
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,240
So the art, the worth awaiting
gold honestly and and you know
584
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:52,200
that's what that's what my worry
is, is if you know on paper it
585
00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:55,780
might be like ohh, you've made
you know provisions for a 3.5%
586
00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:57,820
pay rise.
But the reality is I don't think
587
00:26:57,830 --> 00:27:01,900
many schools have and are
already in a deficit before the
588
00:27:01,910 --> 00:27:05,960
next budget comes in.
So you know it's it's worrying.
589
00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:08,620
It is.
And even the kids miss out on
590
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:11,050
something that's vital or we
lose our support staff.
591
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:13,420
And it's like neither of those
options are something I'm very
592
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:14,880
comfortable with at all.
No.
593
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:16,620
No.
We've turned this into a
594
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:18,720
political one again, and we're
Dylan well.
595
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,450
I was saying it's no, no, no,
no.
596
00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:24,130
I do.
I do listen to these podcasts
597
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:26,300
and I'm like, this is what I'm
really looking forward to, cause
598
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:28,330
I'm very political.
Hayden's like, he's political.
599
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,030
Like he agrees with a lot of
stuff and he feels strongly
600
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,610
about it.
But it's usually me sat here
601
00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,990
going, Hayden, this is bad.
Have you always, have you always
602
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,690
been that way or was there
something that sort of triggered
603
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,840
it?
For me, it was basically so if
604
00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:44,170
you if you think I'm 29, OK,
right.
605
00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:47,310
So my, my when I first got into
politics, it was when David
606
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,070
Cameron was coming in and I
remember being in school.
607
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:54,300
Before I knew much about
politics, I 100% saw David
608
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:57,160
Cameron and I thought ohh kind
of sleep guy in a suit that he's
609
00:27:57,170 --> 00:27:59,600
quite well, he he presents
himself quite well.
610
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,040
I didn't have any idea about
politics.
611
00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:03,400
I just thought he looks like a
Prime Minister, that's cool.
612
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:05,960
But I couldn't vote in that 2010
election because I was 17,
613
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:07,760
right.
And so I kind of that kind of
614
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:09,550
peaked my interest in it was
like, I'm interested, but I've
615
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,520
come, I've come from a very,
very working class background,
616
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:15,110
no money at all and like
remotely.
617
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:18,580
So then I kind of looked into it
a bit more and I was like, this
618
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:21,890
guy doesn't represent me.
And then austerity.
619
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,700
So you like the context of my
entire adult life has been
620
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:28,710
austerity.
I work in a school since 2015
621
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:31,710
and I've seen the impact of
austerity and every single year
622
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,070
that goes by I I have been
pushed more and more and more
623
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,780
against these guys and I think
the government have been pushed
624
00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:39,080
more and more and more to the
right.
625
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:41,770
So like the difference gap
between me and what I see
626
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:45,070
happening.
And for me, I just care about
627
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,230
people.
That's why I'm a teacher.
628
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:49,650
I love helping children, I love
helping other people in general
629
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,790
and.
Yeah, I've never been more like,
630
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,170
passionate about talking out.
And This is why I really
631
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:56,920
appreciate what you do.
And we'll get on to this in a
632
00:28:56,930 --> 00:29:00,610
second, actually, is what you do
in the media.
633
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:04,150
As a teacher, I I just couldn't
applaud enough because it's
634
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800
exactly the kind of thing I want
to hear on the television as
635
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:09,240
someone who's so disillusioned.
And when someone says there's
636
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:12,010
nothing that annoys me more than
when a politician says it's what
637
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:14,610
the people want and it's like,
sorry, I'm the people and I
638
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:16,690
don't want this.
I know lots of people who are
639
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:18,430
also the people who don't want
this.
640
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,150
So, yeah, I mean maybe we could,
we could chat a bit about, you
641
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,660
know, obviously.
Everyone listening right now
642
00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:25,430
Knowsley, that you, you've, you
know grown a following.
643
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,930
Yeah, just before we do move on.
You know when it was for me?
644
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:29,570
Do you know the point where I
got really?
645
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,150
I need to know, of course the
politic was post 2012 Olympics,
646
00:29:34,420 --> 00:29:36,500
right?
So even when I became a teacher,
647
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:40,250
was never interested in politics
growing up, starting teaching,
648
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:43,510
and I'd say for the first.
So by 2012, I've been teaching
649
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,850
about five years.
And don't get me wrong, the job
650
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:46,790
was hard.
It was never.
651
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,480
It's never been an easy job but
it was manageable and the amount
652
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:53,800
of money that was going into
school sport in the build up to
653
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:58,560
to 2012 like we my, my school
were winning awards for the
654
00:29:58,570 --> 00:30:01,540
amount of PPE we were doing
because we had the money.
655
00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:04,210
You had the budget you could
take like we used to make sure
656
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:07,820
that every child was doing.
I think it was like 3 or 4 hours
657
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:11,300
of sport a week including your
PE or it might have been five
658
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,450
hours actually.
I think that was a target and
659
00:30:13,460 --> 00:30:17,040
then every school would leave
primary, having represented the
660
00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:20,380
school in in a in a every child
story would represent the school
661
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:22,990
in a competition.
That's what we prided ourselves
662
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,980
on on.
And it was just so the the
663
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,530
impact that had on on
everything, the health, the sort
664
00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:32,770
of well-being side of it.
You know, I think sport as a
665
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:35,530
parent is one of the most
important things you can get
666
00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:37,850
your kids into no matter what
the sport is.
667
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:42,750
The lessons you learn from sport
really help you in whatever you
668
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,990
choose to do in life.
I'm a firm believer in that.
669
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,110
And then the 2012 Olympics came
along, which was incredibly
670
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,030
successful and was just this
massive moment as a country
671
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,530
where we sort of one of the
proudest moments as a Brit
672
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,330
because it's all been downhill
since.
673
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,780
And then literally within weeks
the government went right we're
674
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:02,830
cutting all the school sports
partnership funding and I'm
675
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,430
going what like you've literally
just had this celebration where
676
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,600
we've done the best we've ever
done.
677
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:11,170
You know one of the best
Olympics we've ever had because
678
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:13,810
that investment's been there.
And because people from a
679
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:16,120
certain background were given
these opportunities that they'd
680
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:18,390
never have had and found these
talents and develop them and
681
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,170
gone on and won these goals and
on.
682
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:23,030
And then you just going to cut
it up and and to see because
683
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,990
it's now, it's now you're seeing
the impact 10 years on when all
684
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,230
of a sudden we're not doing as
well in the Olympics.
685
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:31,840
You've got obesity levels
through the roof all these sort
686
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:33,970
of things and it's that knock on
effect.
687
00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:36,410
And that was the first point
where I thought, this isn't
688
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:37,350
going to go well.
This is it.
689
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,690
Like these people in charge,
they're not gonna do.
690
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:41,370
Yeah.
Yeah.
691
00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:44,250
And and and it's just been and
this is probably why I'm so
692
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:49,480
outspoken and negative And about
the government because those
693
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:53,100
first five years of my teaching,
I always say like the golden
694
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:55,060
years.
Since then it's just been a
695
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:59,500
steady decline in every aspect.
Like nothing's got better.
696
00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:03,000
I I would argue that since 2010,
when these got the governments
697
00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:05,720
come in, they've not done a
single thing that's made
698
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:09,320
anything better for teachers or
schools or education.
699
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:12,090
I'm sure some people probably
disagree, but.
700
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,820
I say this to my friends all the
time who aren't in the teaching
701
00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:19,090
world and my my running joke
that just kind of a silly
702
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:22,110
analogy of this I guess is that
yeah, there's a reason the
703
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,610
schools look exactly there's
exactly the same as they did in
704
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:26,950
the year 2000 or when we were
leaving primary schools because
705
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,370
nothing has gone into them since
then.
706
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:30,050
We're still using the same bean
bags.
707
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:32,790
We're still using the same
everything like that.
708
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,170
Nothing gets put into it and and
talk about think about politics.
709
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:37,720
It's hard to avoid, isn't it?
Because I was.
710
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:40,320
I'm probably more similar to
you, Lee, rather than Dylan like
711
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:41,920
he was.
People aren't really into it,
712
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:45,130
whereas my mother have a bit
more of a slow approach and
713
00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:46,310
again started teaching.
I was.
714
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,430
I didn't really know much about
politics, but you just can't
715
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:52,920
avoid it when everyone has that,
that that moment and that for
716
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,250
you was after the Olympics where
you realised that absolutely
717
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:58,750
nothing they're doing is for the
good of the people.
718
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,560
It's only how they look in that
moment and when the Olympics
719
00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:04,790
were over and it was no longer
beneficial to look like they
720
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,290
cared about primary, like sport
in school.
721
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,110
Bye.
Done.
722
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,870
Onto new things.
Yeah, yeah.
723
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:12,170
And.
And now they've come out and
724
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,630
they've released something else.
Now going, yeah, we're gonna
725
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,330
invest more money in school
sports.
726
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:22,720
And Jillian was saying how you
know, she wasn't, she wasn't
727
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:24,770
allowed to do football when she
was at school.
728
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:28,040
And so she wants girls got and
you go in, well, you know, this
729
00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:30,200
football, this girls football
team we've had for the past six
730
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:31,790
years.
When I tell them they're not
731
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,840
that they've not been allowed to
play football, you know, it's
732
00:33:33,850 --> 00:33:36,460
ridiculous.
It's it's it's all it's doing.
733
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:37,940
I'm very quickly because we move
on.
734
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:40,140
We could go on forever.
I just feel like everything they
735
00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:41,870
do is a dog whistle to their
support base.
736
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,180
Like it's a dog whistle to the
to the Daily Mail to pick up
737
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:46,320
story.
It's a dog whistle to what they
738
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:48,840
want people to hear because
people don't work in a primary
739
00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:52,540
school and if you're 4050 and
your last experience of primary
740
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:54,140
schools when you were in primary
school.
741
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:56,570
Gillian Keegan saying girls
weren't allowed to play
742
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:58,170
football, and I'm going to make
sure they are.
743
00:33:58,180 --> 00:34:00,460
That sounds good to them because
when they were in school in
744
00:34:00,470 --> 00:34:02,320
their 80s, girls didn't play
football as much.
745
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:04,660
That's just the fact.
So they don't care about what's
746
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:07,330
true or what's helpful.
They care about what's going to
747
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:10,250
minimise damage against them or
maximise publicity for the
748
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:11,870
people they want to get to vote
for them.
749
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,130
And it just winds me up because
nothing ever comes from a place
750
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:18,030
of what's best for our kids,
what's best for the well-being
751
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,929
of the teachers who raise our
kids in school.
752
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:22,210
You know, I say raise kids.
We do, you know, we, I feel like
753
00:34:22,219 --> 00:34:24,550
we do contribute to raising
society.
754
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,150
You know, it's it's important as
that.
755
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,210
But we're just constantly, But
I'll cope because there's two
756
00:34:29,219 --> 00:34:30,449
options.
They can either give us more
757
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:34,130
money to do stuff or they can
like to have things, you know,
758
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:36,460
like we're going to talk about
technology and things like that.
759
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:39,340
Or they can keep the money the
same and our staff to do more.
760
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:40,699
It's like we haven't got the
money.
761
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:42,239
So you're gonna have to actually
do that after school club
762
00:34:42,250 --> 00:34:44,540
because we want to help parents
with, with daycare, with
763
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:46,210
childcare.
So can you do an after school
764
00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:47,830
club everyday and do we get
paid?
765
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:49,920
No, no, it's just a TS8 teacher
standard 8.
766
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:51,020
It's fine, you can just do
extra.
767
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:54,000
It's like, no, because I'm at
the point now where not only are
768
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:56,500
we striking, I think teachers
need to be.
769
00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:59,220
Do a bit more to say no to these
things as well.
770
00:34:59,230 --> 00:35:01,710
Yeah, as a as a as a front,
because we can't strike forever,
771
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,110
but we can say no to these
things.
772
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,450
Yeah.
And we were having a
773
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:07,210
conversation in our school
actually recently where, you
774
00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:12,370
know, back when I was full time,
most evenings, at least four
775
00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:17,010
nights of the week, we would be
doing some sort of after school
776
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,750
club sporting event, like 4
nights a week we'd be doing
777
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,370
something.
And we were talking about
778
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:24,060
there's no way in a million
years you could do that.
779
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:27,990
Now there is no way in a million
years you could do that with the
780
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,410
workload that's expected of
teachers on top.
781
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,230
But then there was a sort of
compromise oral.
782
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,540
If you are doing that, don't
worry so much about it.
783
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,510
Whereas now it's like, no, you
still need to do all of you
784
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,930
still need to do all of that.
And that's where we were at
785
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:42,470
rugby the other week and they
were talking.
786
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,430
Some of the parents were talking
about how the school just
787
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,650
doesn't do any sort of sports
and rugby.
788
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:50,010
And I'm like, well, because
teachers don't have the time or
789
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:52,950
there's no incentive for the.
The only the only way schools
790
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,120
are still really good at sport
is if a teacher's got a passion
791
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,310
that they're willing to give up
their time for.
792
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,990
If you've not got that in a
school, why would any teacher do
793
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,790
it?
You know, there's no other
794
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,700
incentive.
We used to talk about we.
795
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:09,060
I think we talked about it last
week, had another week before.
796
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:12,700
I worried that's what's going
missing in schools now is, you
797
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:14,000
know, teachers going that extra
mile.
798
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:17,420
Because when I was in school, I
remember so vividly all of those
799
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:19,300
sporting events and those extra
curricular things.
800
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:21,740
And that Saturday morning trip
that we did, or we went to a
801
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:24,650
secondary school after school
and we did some DT in there, you
802
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:26,740
know, their DT lab, which we
didn't have in our school, or we
803
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:29,590
went swimming in another school.
All of that happened outside of
804
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,870
curriculum time.
And and I really worry now
805
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
because the thing that's being
squeezed the most here is
806
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:37,360
teachers used to have.
Very middle class income, very
807
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:39,300
wealthy.
But like in terms of relative to
808
00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:42,320
housing, relative to food prices
and things, where actually I
809
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:44,980
think at the weekend I would
say, you know what, I'm paid
810
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:46,910
quite well.
I, I, I enjoy teaching these
811
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,870
kids.
I'm going to give them some
812
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,760
extra curricular stuff on my
Saturday morning.
813
00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:52,220
Yeah.
Now, now my only thought is, and
814
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:54,940
I don't care if this sounds
selfish because it's a fact of
815
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:58,560
the times we're living in, I
think to myself, there's a kid
816
00:36:58,570 --> 00:37:00,420
who wants me to go and tutor him
for a couple of hours.
817
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:02,500
I mean, I'm going to go and do
that and get my weekly food,
818
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:06,340
shopping, money rather than the
thing that I would love to.
819
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:08,930
Do, but I just don't want to do
it because in the week I'm
820
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:11,120
already doing too much.
Yeah, yeah.
821
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,570
It winds me up anyway, Hayden.
So we get Hayden.
822
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:15,800
You can take us off politics,
right?
823
00:37:15,810 --> 00:37:17,050
We'll be.
We'll be here forever.
824
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,290
Lee, let's let's let's dive into
the past a little bit because
825
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,150
you mentioned earlier that
you've been teaching a bit
826
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,620
longer than us.
And obviously now you know,
827
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:28,230
you've, you've got your own
brand, essentially ICT with Mr P
828
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,580
you're very well known as a ICT
with Mr P Yeah, I just kind of
829
00:37:31,590 --> 00:37:33,420
want to know a little bit about
your story, really.
830
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:35,700
Like where, where did that
start, you know, from the
831
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:40,060
beginning of your career to now?
How did ICT with Mr P get born?
832
00:37:40,070 --> 00:37:41,180
Like where?
What happened?
833
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:42,280
Yeah.
So.
834
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:45,860
So yeah, I am.
I am part of the old guard now,
835
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,860
I think at my school and the
longest serving member of staff
836
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:51,940
bar assault.
And that was made apparent at
837
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:54,980
our end of year do last week.
We sat there and one of the
838
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:57,830
teachers was doing the playlist
because again, if you if you
839
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,890
know how to work an iPad you get
given the DJ set at your end of
840
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:07,080
year do and one of the teachers
had requested pulp right as you
841
00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:11,330
do.
And this younger teacher, he sat
842
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:13,070
next to me like who's this?
I might pull up.
843
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,690
It's like who's pulp?
I'm like, you know Jarvis
844
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,080
Cocker.
Do you remember when he got his
845
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:19,440
arse out in front of Michael
Jackson at the Brits and she's
846
00:38:19,450 --> 00:38:21,290
like, no said look on it at
that.
847
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,130
What year was it?
What year was it 96?
848
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:24,850
And she went.
I was born in 97.
849
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:27,810
Ohh God.
Well, this is, this is where I
850
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:30,390
revealed to you, Lee, that I
spent that whole conversation
851
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,330
saying, I don't know what he's
talking about because I was born
852
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:34,240
in 90.
Three.
853
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,420
Yeah.
Yeah, So, yeah.
854
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:39,620
And then I never wanted to be a
teacher, to be honest, uh, funny
855
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:41,260
enough, growing up Or wanted to
be an actor.
856
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:43,010
I was.
I was quite into acting when I
857
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,120
was younger and then applied to
get on a few uni courses for
858
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:48,590
acting.
Didn't add to the audition and
859
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,970
stuff never got picked up and it
was.
860
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,730
It was purely the fact that my
girlfriend at the time, my my
861
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:57,730
childhood sweetheart as they
say, the high school sweetheart,
862
00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:02,700
she she was doing teaching at
Chester Uni and I was like ah
863
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:05,710
yeah, I'll give that a go.
And so I applied and got on the
864
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:11,080
course at Manchester Met and
yeah, I did a four year BA in
865
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:15,490
primary education and I'm not
gonna lie, I I was far too young
866
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:17,700
to do that.
Like my uni expert, I just went
867
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:21,570
full Gunco uni and it's not
quite the course to do it when
868
00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:24,810
you're expected to be on like a
ten week placement and you're on
869
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:27,140
a Wednesday night booze up with
the rugby.
870
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:30,200
You know, it was, it was yeah, I
didn't help myself in some
871
00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:33,280
respects.
Came very close to quitting the
872
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:36,220
course in my third year because
of an absolutely dreadful
873
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:41,040
placement which was my first
experience of sort of toxic
874
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:45,920
schools.
And luckily had a mentor at uni
875
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:49,840
who sort of kept me in and she
came and saw the circumstances I
876
00:39:49,850 --> 00:39:52,580
was in in the schools.
I mean I won't go into it but it
877
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,890
was it was it was like a
Catholic school.
878
00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:57,680
They'd been this new head
teacher would come in after a
879
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,160
head teacher had been there for
like 25 years wanting to stamp
880
00:40:00,170 --> 00:40:03,620
their authority and everything.
I had the worst deputy head
881
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:07,320
mentor I've ever met in my life
who within a week of me being at
882
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:10,130
the school basically said you
never pass in this placement.
883
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:13,260
There's no and you thinking it's
10 weeks give me a chance.
884
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:17,520
I had a really challenging.
Class really challenging class.
885
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,990
It was quite a a sort of rough
you know deprived area and it
886
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,940
was and they were quite dead
streetwise these kids but just
887
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:30,130
was so challenge, just really
challenging.
888
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:32,710
My class teacher was lovely but
it was a Catholic school.
889
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,810
She got pregnant halfway through
the through the placement.
890
00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:39,250
Nothing to do with me.
But she was she got, she got
891
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:41,930
pregnant and wasn't married.
Right.
892
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:45,350
And so had to then.
And this was a few years ago.
893
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:47,590
Yeah.
So then had to confront the
894
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,330
priest and there was all.
And so I just got sort of left
895
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:53,650
aside and it was it was a yeah.
That's that's a mess.
896
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Mess, yeah.
And luckily my uni mental,
897
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,590
mental mental said look just get
through this placement we'll get
898
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,850
you another school and and yeah
as I stayed in and then managed
899
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:10,310
to get a job at the school I'm
still at now and and absolutely
900
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,550
love the school.
It's it's an amazing school
901
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,790
amazing stuff amazing kids and
yeah I got married, had had the
902
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,660
triplets so I've got a 12 year
old triplets.
903
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,920
So when they came along, things
changed a lot for me and it was
904
00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:27,280
quite funny.
I look back on it now.
905
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:31,270
So at the time my head teacher,
so I we had them in the April
906
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:36,100
and then I did a year full time
in class as like class teacher.
907
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:38,540
And at the end of that year my
head teacher was like luckily I
908
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:41,160
know you're going to be looking
at going into sort of management
909
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:44,460
and deputy headship.
So what I think is going to be
910
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:48,080
best for you is if we bring you
out of class and you can get
911
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:51,500
experience teaching right across
the school, developing your
912
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:54,490
subject area.
And then you've got that.
913
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:56,860
So that when you apply, you can
show that you've moved the
914
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:59,860
subjects across the school.
And now look back and think, I
915
00:41:59,870 --> 00:42:03,580
must have been that knackered
from having three, you know,
916
00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:06,980
three babies.
That was literally like a zombie
917
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:09,340
that he's gone cut him in class
all the time.
918
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:13,450
No, I mean, he's he's framed
that really well, isn't he?
919
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:15,320
He's framed as like a really big
compliment.
920
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:16,540
He's like, we gotta get laid
out.
921
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:18,450
What can we do?
Yeah he's he's just knackered
922
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,580
all the time.
He's he's he's not with it.
923
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:23,080
He's he's a zombie and and and
to be fair my head teachers
924
00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:24,380
always been great with like
that.
925
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:27,920
He's very fair in that if you
put the graft in he will always
926
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:30,470
be you know put be fair with you
as long as you're not taking the
927
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,050
Mick is is is great and you know
I'm very grateful because I
928
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:38,120
wouldn't be where I am without
him and and and the deputy is.
929
00:42:38,130 --> 00:42:39,780
He still your head now?
Is that the same guy?
930
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:43,120
Yeah he is, yeah.
So he's he's part time now and
931
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:46,350
then the deputy sort of part
time deputy, part time head.
932
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,460
And they've always been really
supportive and so accommodating.
933
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:52,690
Because I know had I been at
other schools, I would not have
934
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:55,850
had the opportunity to build
this while still being at
935
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:58,220
school.
Whereas he's very much take.
936
00:42:58,230 --> 00:43:00,330
He's always said to me, he's
always said because he's not
937
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:02,070
into like social media or
anything like that.
938
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:05,520
You know, he was like, listen,
Lee, just whatever you do, I
939
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:08,230
don't want you doing anything on
that face tube that's gonna
940
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,030
bring disrespect to the, you
know, bring bring the school
941
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,790
into disrepute.
And he's always said that.
942
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,890
He's like, look when you're here
at school you missed the
943
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,700
Parkinson.
Everything you do outside is Mr
944
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:21,390
P and as long as that doesn't
you know crossover in a negative
945
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,970
way you know and and he sort of
sees the opportunities as well
946
00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:29,080
that you know companies will say
to me, are we alright if we come
947
00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:31,420
and do a date your school and
then if you post about and I'm
948
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:34,620
like yeah and then so the school
benefits from that as well.
949
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:36,450
You know it sort of works both
ways.
950
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:40,320
So anyway so when he said that I
was like right so ICT was my
951
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:44,280
subject area.
We had this old ICT suite with
952
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:47,860
like Windows bloody 95 in there.
It was awful.
953
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:53,110
And so is that right?
I want, I want some iPads had.
954
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,030
We'd had a training day with
Alan P and he demoed a couple of
955
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,550
things on an iPad and I was just
like, this is incredible, this
956
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,610
is this is the future.
And I started researching a few
957
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:06,850
things and seeing the potential
to these devices.
958
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,750
So I was like, can I get a class
set and then I'll go and I'll do
959
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,700
my ICT through that around the
school because it's mobile.
960
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:15,090
And.
And anyway he agreed we got the
961
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:19,330
class set of iPads and yeah, so
I was then just sort of doing
962
00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:23,410
bits of of sort of that
transition from ICT to
963
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:26,080
computing.
So everyone was sort of to their
964
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:27,580
own devices of trying things
out.
965
00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:31,340
And I really focused on using
this technology to sort of
966
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,500
support across the rest of the
curriculum because I could see
967
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:36,540
how it can help in lots of
different ways.
968
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:40,540
And and I now started just
blogging some of the things
969
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:42,400
because I couldn't stick
everything we were doing on the
970
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:44,180
iPads.
I couldn't stick in a book.
971
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:46,230
Right.
And so it's like, well, how do
972
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,400
we evidence what we're doing and
how do we showcase all this?
973
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:52,520
And so we started the school
blog and what I would do on the
974
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:56,890
school blog is I'd post the work
kids work on the school blog and
975
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:00,200
then I'd start my own teacher
blog where I'd show the how to
976
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:01,550
that, you know, this is what
we've done.
977
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,850
This is how I did it.
And obviously started Twitter
978
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:07,500
with that as well.
And then Facebook followed after
979
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:11,650
that and then just sort of took
off from there really.
980
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:14,900
So I was getting loads of views
and engagement and all those
981
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:19,530
blog posts and then started
getting asked to to sort of do
982
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:24,450
some training and actually went
to a teach meet.
983
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,270
Like one of the first things I
ever did was I went to a teach
984
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,450
meet and I presented it a teach
me and that went really well.
985
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:34,450
And next minute Alan, Pete got
got got in contact with me and
986
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:37,170
he said look we've been, we've
been told about you.
987
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:39,550
We're looking at potentially
bringing someone on board who
988
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,000
can look at you know do some
sort of tech type training.
989
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,390
Do you mind if we come and watch
one of your sessions.
990
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:46,950
And then he was like yeah, love
it.
991
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:50,770
Would you, would you want to.
And it was what I will always
992
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,320
love Alan.
For Alan and Julie's life is it
993
00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:57,250
would have been quite easy for
for them at that time to sort of
994
00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:01,080
say rightly we want you to work
for us and you will be working
995
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,380
under the umbrella of Alan Pete
Limited and but they never did
996
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:05,900
that.
What they said was like we want
997
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:09,060
you to work with us so if you
want to do this you can set your
998
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:10,480
own company up.
We will help.
999
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:13,180
We will guide you.
We will give you all the support
1000
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:17,220
you need and then we can work
together on certain projects.
1001
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:20,120
And I just think there's so many
people out there that would
1002
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:24,280
never have done, that would have
seen here's this eager young
1003
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:26,340
sort of teach you once this
opportunity, right.
1004
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:27,860
We'll we'll, you know what I
mean?
1005
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:30,010
Like just take.
Advantage of that, Yeah.
1006
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:32,160
And they never did.
They never did.
1007
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:34,860
And I'm certainly grateful for
because we learned so much.
1008
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:39,680
And you know, my wife,
eventually she was a social
1009
00:46:39,690 --> 00:46:43,040
worker and obviously with the
three kids it was, it was tough.
1010
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:47,000
So she stopped that and started
doing all the admin side of the
1011
00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:51,310
business as that grew and yeah,
it sort of just progressed from
1012
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,230
there really.
So alongside all the useful tips
1013
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,810
and lessons and apps that were
sharing, I started doing this
1014
00:46:56,820 --> 00:47:00,030
sort of funny videos.
And that really sort of blew up.
1015
00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:03,820
And it's interesting because
I've been doing it for about,
1016
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:06,700
I'd say about a decade now,
about 10 years.
1017
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:08,940
And I was in a school last week
and this teacher came up and
1018
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:11,170
said, ohh, I love your videos.
I love everything.
1019
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:13,060
I mean, Pandemic was great for
you.
1020
00:47:13,070 --> 00:47:15,220
That's where you suddenly went
from nothing to this big.
1021
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:18,320
And I was like, no, no, I've
been doing it way, yeah, way
1022
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:21,450
long on it than the pandemic.
Yeah, eight years.
1023
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:24,880
Ago I started teaching and you
were and like I you for me, for
1024
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:26,130
my career, you've always been
there.
1025
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:28,110
Like I remember at the start of
my career being like, oh, this
1026
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,630
is he's funny like he hadn't
seen you on Facebook.
1027
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,230
I just Facebook.
Stuff he's funny and that that
1028
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,250
was like 8 years ago now.
So yeah, it makes sense.
1029
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,050
And and yeah, so it's just all
sort of evolved from there.
1030
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:43,450
And yeah, I absolutely love it.
It's it's it's hard work.
1031
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:47,140
I think, you know back in those
early days when I was doing the
1032
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:50,330
blogging that was like proper.
I mean it is still graph now but
1033
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:54,460
I remember, you know, there
wasn't any sort of rewards from
1034
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:56,130
doing that.
It was just I'd do all my
1035
00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:59,230
schoolwork and I'd be sat there
bottle feeding the kids trying
1036
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,370
to write a blog post about what
I'd been doing.
1037
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,730
Wow.
And I was like, but this summit
1038
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:05,590
here with this this this this is
gonna be something that's gonna
1039
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,190
help lots of kids and lots of
teachers and and that's what
1040
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,000
sort of really motivated me.
And and and yeah, it seemed to
1041
00:48:12,010 --> 00:48:15,190
really resonate where you know
I'm now in a position where I'm,
1042
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,950
I'm, I'm travelling here, there
and everywhere.
1043
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,190
I'm getting to meet some
incredible teachers, work with
1044
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,810
some brilliant schools.
And you know, one one thing that
1045
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:25,150
really put it all into
perspective for me was a teacher
1046
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,910
on a course once said to me like
you must love what you do.
1047
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,150
So yeah, I do, he said.
Because, you know, if you were
1048
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,080
just a classroom teacher all the
time, you'd only ever have an
1049
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:36,390
impact on 30 kids.
Whereas when you're doing this
1050
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,770
to 100 people, you're then
having an impact on, you know,
1051
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,840
3000 kids and and and when you.
Is that right?
1052
00:48:43,850 --> 00:48:47,180
Is that the right calculator?
A lot of children, yeah.
1053
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:49,530
A lot of you know, so it's good
when you put that into
1054
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:52,750
perspective.
It's quite a nice thing to know
1055
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,850
that these ideas and these
things have been able to help
1056
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,160
and support not just teachers,
but a lot of the children as
1057
00:49:00,170 --> 00:49:03,450
well.
Are there any downsides to it
1058
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:04,410
all?
Because it sounds like, you
1059
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:07,390
know, it's all very positive,
but are there any, like, really
1060
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:11,130
hard areas of what you are now,
what you've created for
1061
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:14,310
yourself?
The travelling's hard.
1062
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,770
The travelling's hard.
Now is where the pandemic really
1063
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:19,210
puts things into perspective for
me.
1064
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:24,010
So pre pandemic I would be on
the road 3-4 nights a week and
1065
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:27,010
you know, that's all I'd ever
known and it was, you know, that
1066
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:30,070
was the sacrifice we made and
and This is why, you know,
1067
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,870
people often ask me how did you
do it all, how do you fit it all
1068
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,290
in?
You know you you teacher you
1069
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:38,270
this that and the other and you
know the the the cliche of
1070
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,710
behind every great man is a
great woman and and my wife is
1071
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,010
just an absolute superhero.
Like I would not be able to do
1072
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,370
any of this without her being an
absolute rock with the with the
1073
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:52,120
kids and stuff.
So you know, and and I know I
1074
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:54,830
annoy you with it because I do
become obsessed and I get really
1075
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,200
into it and but she's never held
it against me.
1076
00:49:58,210 --> 00:50:00,410
So you get frustrated, you know,
rightly.
1077
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:02,640
It's 9:00, o'clock now stop,
stop working.
1078
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,370
But she understands that it's
something I'm really passionate
1079
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,700
about.
And you know, and again, I could
1080
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:12,730
be with 100 other people who
would just not stand for that
1081
00:50:12,740 --> 00:50:16,550
and it'd be like, but she, she
gets in, you know, and she's,
1082
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,890
she's absolutely incredible.
And the the fact she steps up to
1083
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:23,010
look after the kids and do
everything with them allows me
1084
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,690
to have that freedom to to be
here, there and everywhere.
1085
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,940
So obviously before the pandemic
that was all I ever known.
1086
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:31,070
I'd just be on the road and I'd
just be travelling here that's
1087
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,290
staying in hotels and just
eating crap out of services and
1088
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:37,200
all that.
And and then the pandemic hit,
1089
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:41,640
and I remember I was in a hotel
in Maidstone the night.
1090
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:43,030
There was near us.
There you go.
1091
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,850
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The night that Boris announced
1092
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:48,110
and I was due to have a
conference in London the next
1093
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,540
day.
And remember within an hour of
1094
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:55,010
that being announced six months
of work just completely went And
1095
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:59,310
and I had the longest and most
scary drive home where I'm
1096
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,750
thinking what what am I going to
do here where the whole business
1097
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,690
has has stopped And you know I
had a couple of weeks where it
1098
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:12,650
really did sort of worry me.
Luckily I had the website.
1099
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:16,120
So I'd had the website going for
a couple of I think I probably
1100
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:20,640
about a year where I'd started
doing sort of online tutorials
1101
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:23,100
for teachers who couldn't come
on training and you know if you
1102
00:51:23,110 --> 00:51:24,930
want to carry on the learning
journey off the back of my
1103
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:27,670
training, you could go on the
website endless tutorials.
1104
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,140
That's.
So again I channelled everything
1105
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:33,230
into developing that website.
Obviously loads of remote
1106
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,910
learning support on there and
that just about kept us going.
1107
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:40,990
But then what I realised was
being at home all the time was
1108
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,130
great.
I loved it and and I realised
1109
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:47,280
that actually these kids are
getting old really quick and you
1110
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:49,410
know, I'm getting to spend every
day with it.
1111
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:51,150
Don't get me wrong, it was a
struggle doing the home
1112
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,330
learning.
But beyond that it was, it was
1113
00:51:53,340 --> 00:51:55,750
dream stuff.
And you know, we'd go on walks
1114
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,010
every day and we just sort of
find that there was all these
1115
00:51:58,020 --> 00:52:00,470
things in our little local,
little local area where we could
1116
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,760
walk down the canal and all this
sort of, you know, doing all
1117
00:52:02,770 --> 00:52:04,300
these bike rides.
And I was like I don't want to
1118
00:52:04,310 --> 00:52:09,190
go back on the road and you know
and and so since the pandemic
1119
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:13,090
obviously do still travel but I
don't do it anywhere near as
1120
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:16,330
much and I sort of give myself
at least a day at home a week
1121
00:52:16,340 --> 00:52:20,010
now, yeah, just to be there and
be present a bit more.
1122
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,790
So that that's been a a
downside.
1123
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,880
I think the other, the other
side of it is probably the
1124
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:29,600
negativity that can come from
putting yourself out there on
1125
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:31,400
social media.
That's something I've struggled
1126
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:35,130
with a little bit.
You know, I I think I'm better
1127
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:36,470
now.
But it does.
1128
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,110
It does.
It does.
1129
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,530
I hate the fact we live in a
world where people think it's OK
1130
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,670
that if you're gonna put
yourself out there on social
1131
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,330
media for no other purpose than
just to try and raise a smile
1132
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,380
and try and, you know, help and
support.
1133
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:51,130
And that's always, you know,
been my motivating factor is,
1134
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,910
you know, if I can make a video
and get a message from a teacher
1135
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,330
who says, look, I've had the
worst day at school, this
1136
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,710
happens, this happened, came
home, sat down, stuck, you know,
1137
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,360
put Facebook on one of your
videos, popped up and it just
1138
00:53:03,370 --> 00:53:06,310
made me laugh and just made me
realise I'm not the only one
1139
00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:08,110
then that that's all I ever
want.
1140
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,530
But the way people, because he's
a term in education, I
1141
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:13,970
absolutely detest and I hate it
more than anything.
1142
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:16,390
It's an edge you celeb, right?
Ohh yeah.
1143
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,890
And people throw that at me all
the time and I'm like, I'm not,
1144
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:23,370
yeah, I'm not an edge use celeb.
You know, I I can't stand that
1145
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:25,440
term because as soon as you put
the word celebrity with
1146
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:28,180
anything, it's like you're
putting someone on a pedestal
1147
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:32,200
just to knock him down.
And I've I've, I've had it
1148
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:33,560
before.
It's like it sounds like it
1149
00:53:33,570 --> 00:53:36,470
would be nice but people use it
as a so there was a Facebook
1150
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,010
Group A while ago um that I was
actually a well no I wasn't a
1151
00:53:41,020 --> 00:53:43,560
part of but someone started
sending me screenshots and
1152
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:46,320
basically someone just gone in
there and just said something
1153
00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:49,060
negative about me said you know
just said ohh miss P this that
1154
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:51,710
and the other and it kicked off
this thread where all these
1155
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,350
teachers by the way who you know
should be setting an example I
1156
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,210
just going in on me like really
hammering me about things you're
1157
00:53:58,220 --> 00:54:00,400
not funny this that and the
other and people are saying me
1158
00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:02,830
screenshots.
So I got, I got in touch with
1159
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,930
the admin of this group and I
was like, look, I'm not, I don't
1160
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:08,170
understand where this is coming.
This is a group that's very
1161
00:54:08,180 --> 00:54:10,190
much, you know, all about
helping each other and
1162
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,770
supporting each other and being
there for future.
1163
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:14,370
Yeah, you're letting people just
slagged me off with no real
1164
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:16,360
reason.
And then I've just got blocked.
1165
00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:21,110
It's got blocked from this group
and I'm like so so that that's
1166
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,330
been hard to I mean I'm getting
better with it because it you
1167
00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:26,070
know you have to don't you
otherwise you.
1168
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,680
Can't.
I think it's.
1169
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:29,890
It's unavoidable, right?
Like it happens with anyone who
1170
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,990
gains a following.
There's always gonna be another
1171
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,050
people.
It's very cliche, but it's
1172
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:35,150
always gonna be haters.
They say that.
1173
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,910
Don't they always going to get
them?
1174
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,750
It is impossible to become.
But I've got to say, though,
1175
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,320
there are some people who.
About controversy and you expect
1176
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:47,600
that then, you know, the
political commentators might go
1177
00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:50,690
on and be like ohh say something
to like stoke someone up.
1178
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,270
You're you're posting a, you
know, renaissance meme.
1179
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:55,690
It's like, come on guys, it's
funny.
1180
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:56,770
Yeah.
And if you don't, if you don't
1181
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:58,700
find it funny for whatever
reason, just get on with your
1182
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:59,530
day.
Like why?
1183
00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:02,570
This is the thing for me, right?
I have.
1184
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:08,130
I scroll through social media
and see so much garbage and
1185
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:10,310
stuff that I just think that's
wrong.
1186
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:12,410
That person doesn't know what
they're talking about.
1187
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:15,540
That and.
But I would never, ever dream of
1188
00:55:15,550 --> 00:55:17,880
going well.
I need to now tell you my
1189
00:55:17,890 --> 00:55:20,530
opinion on why I think this is,
you know, and some of the things
1190
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:22,380
you get.
I mean, it's almost laughable
1191
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:25,070
now, but it was like I made a
video in my back garden
1192
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,420
yesterday talking about and
people that you know, like when
1193
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,500
people leave all the staples in
a staple board, right?
1194
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:35,170
Like, who are these people?
Like imagine falling in love
1195
00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:37,560
with someone and I'm realising
they do that to a display.
1196
00:55:37,570 --> 00:55:41,340
But you know, and then the
comment was, I can't believe
1197
00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:43,600
you've got fake grass in your
garden.
1198
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:46,420
This can be so and you go in.
What?
1199
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:50,780
Yeah, but nothing to do with it.
There's more to you know, and
1200
00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:53,570
and what I've come to realise is
the type of people who do leave
1201
00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:57,180
that sort of negativity, they're
just really not worth the time.
1202
00:55:57,190 --> 00:56:00,120
And and and I mean it is
annoying because you can't argue
1203
00:56:00,130 --> 00:56:02,280
back because as soon as you
engage with these people you
1204
00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:04,600
lose.
What I've come to realise is you
1205
00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:07,780
cannot win an argument on the
Internet no matter what, so
1206
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:09,330
there's just no point trying I
need.
1207
00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:12,650
I need to take something wisdom
cause I get sucked in far too
1208
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:13,770
easily to these.
Yeah yeah.
1209
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:15,730
I need to take a step back
because I think you're
1210
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:17,770
absolutely right.
It doesn't bring anything good.
1211
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:18,630
Nothing comes from.
It.
1212
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:20,990
But even when it's an argument
worth having.
1213
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,890
Even when it's an argument worth
having.
1214
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,710
What are you talking like?
I'm sorry I made a meme about
1215
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,990
staples and a board?
It's like, cool.
1216
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,600
Like, you're definitely gonna
win that argument because
1217
00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:30,890
someone thinks that's worth an
argument.
1218
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:32,270
Then just crack on with your
day.
1219
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,120
You'll be pleased to know that
the other day, when I was when I
1220
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:37,410
was messaging you lie about
coming on the podcast.
1221
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:40,960
I was on my sofa and my partner
was next to me and she started
1222
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:43,060
chuckling and she didn't know
what was doing.
1223
00:56:43,070 --> 00:56:45,110
This just complete coincidence.
I looked around and she was just
1224
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,970
watching what are your reels and
just laughing and I was like,
1225
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:49,230
typical.
I was like, yeah, I'm talking to
1226
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,550
you right now.
Thank you.
1227
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,110
Yeah, I tell you what as well,
just just on that note of your
1228
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,410
reels and stuff, there was
someone at school.
1229
00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:57,640
We were in school last week,
obviously.
1230
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:59,630
We said we're very excited to
have a chat with you, Lee.
1231
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,670
And we were saying, oh, you got,
you never guess who we've got
1232
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,000
coming on to have a chat.
And the reaction was like, you
1233
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:06,750
know, I know we don't like the
word celebrity.
1234
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,790
What?
How?
1235
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,860
And I was like, he's just, you
know, he's just a bloke.
1236
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:14,080
He's a lovely guy.
You know, I think sometimes you,
1237
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:16,460
whether you like it or not,
people will put you on that
1238
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:18,060
pedestal that you talked about
liking.
1239
00:57:18,110 --> 00:57:21,630
But what's so good is you come
across still so down to earth
1240
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,010
and the people really respect
you.
1241
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,640
And it kind of leads on to what
I wanted to talk about briefly
1242
00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:28,140
is, you know, you've you've now
started to make quite a few more
1243
00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:30,380
appearances in the media, like
on television.
1244
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:32,680
You know, almost like if they
want to book a teacher that
1245
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:34,440
you're you're kind of the guy to
go to at the minute.
1246
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:37,310
And it really interests me
because obviously a lot of your
1247
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,980
views are aligned with what we
think.
1248
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:41,150
So when we see on the
television, we think ohh thank
1249
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,660
God someone's like really
standing up for teachers, for
1250
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:46,710
support staff, saying all the
right things against maybe like
1251
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:48,870
a government spokesperson or
someone who's not been in the
1252
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,750
school for 20 years.
Like we're really grateful to
1253
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,080
have you as that voice.
But I was just just wondering
1254
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:56,110
though.
Because I think I'd struggle
1255
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,800
with it, even though it's what I
think.
1256
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,830
Do you sometimes, when you're
going on these television shows
1257
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,000
like you go on to Lorraine or
something, who's lovely and you
1258
00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:04,830
have a really good chat?
Do you feel that pressure?
1259
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,130
Because all of a sudden it's not
just your opinion anymore?
1260
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,910
Because whether you like it or
not, if you're on national
1261
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,410
television representing
teachers, do you feel the need
1262
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,790
to represent all teachers?
Or do you still manage to kind
1263
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,870
of stick to your guns and go
with what you actually think?
1264
00:58:18,490 --> 00:58:20,320
Yeah.
Because I think I I've always,
1265
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:25,680
I've always thought that my view
is just very similar to every
1266
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:27,810
other, every other teacher at
the chalk face.
1267
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:30,040
Like I just think in the same
way.
1268
00:58:30,050 --> 00:58:34,030
And and again the amount of sort
of messages and comments I'll
1269
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,040
get sent on things sort of
reflect that and almost give me
1270
00:58:37,050 --> 00:58:40,440
the confidence to think actually
this is what most teachers
1271
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:43,620
believe and and I mean there is
a bit of pressure with it.
1272
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:46,360
I I do.
I do get very sort of nervous
1273
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:50,300
because I think you know it's
not the first time someone said
1274
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:54,530
you you sort of the voice of
teachers and and and and you
1275
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:57,620
know I don't try and be
necessarily controversial with
1276
00:58:57,630 --> 00:59:00,760
what I say.
I just sort of state the obvious
1277
00:59:00,770 --> 00:59:05,050
almost and try and get it across
to people who aren't aware or
1278
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:08,210
have never worked in education.
This is the realistic picture.
1279
00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:11,760
It's not all you know, flower,
you know roses and you know
1280
00:59:11,770 --> 00:59:14,610
these parts of the job that are
absolutely incredible and make
1281
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:17,150
it the best job in the world.
But it is not perfect.
1282
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,150
And these are the reasons why.
And I think having that platform
1283
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,450
and having that support gives me
the belief, you know, you know,
1284
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,350
but also gives me different
perspectives to sort of draw
1285
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,710
upon what then forms my eye, you
know, forms the ideas that are
1286
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,180
then sort of share and talk
about, yeah, it's been good.
1287
00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:38,260
I do, I do enjoy it.
I do like it.
1288
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:40,500
It's been.
I mean the funniest one was the
1289
00:59:40,510 --> 00:59:45,390
other week I got I did a course
in Bury it was before the the
1290
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,690
last strike they on the
Wednesday.
1291
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,030
There was a strike on the
Wednesday on the Friday and a
1292
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,600
producer from Good Morning
Britain came to the hotel once
1293
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:55,610
I'd finished and she was like,
look we were wondering if we can
1294
00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:58,290
interview you for about the
strikes now stood there for what
1295
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:02,250
must have been about 20 minutes
just going on going on going on
1296
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:04,570
like like I do and in turn
right.
1297
01:00:04,580 --> 01:00:07,550
That's brilliant right.
All I need now is I just need a
1298
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:13,190
shot of you walking past the
camera and I went OK and then it
1299
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,340
was almost as if my brain.
And you don't know how to walk.
1300
01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:22,300
You do not know how honest my
hands it was just so weird.
1301
01:00:22,310 --> 01:00:24,670
So I can stand there and I can
talk to you all day.
1302
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:27,750
Well, get me to do anything.
It was just it must have talked
1303
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,480
about 7:00 or 8 takes because
she's like, no, you're going too
1304
01:00:30,490 --> 01:00:31,740
slow.
No, get your hands out of your
1305
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:33,070
pockets.
No, don't cross your arms.
1306
01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:34,820
Are you walking?
Like that's not your natural
1307
01:00:34,830 --> 01:00:36,660
walk.
And honestly, it took forever.
1308
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:39,510
Isn't it?
That's, that's the thing.
1309
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,240
I think.
I think everyone can relate to
1310
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:43,490
the point where this needs to be
our poll for the week, right?
1311
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,860
Can you walk when when you're
aware that you're walking?
1312
01:00:45,870 --> 01:00:49,010
Because we had our graduation
year sixes, right, last last
1313
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,990
week and I just, I kept them
chuckling because I was at the
1314
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,100
front like giving out stuff for
the graduation.
1315
01:00:55,110 --> 01:00:57,670
And we have it so they all walk
down the centre of this lovely
1316
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,920
church.
It's really nice.
1317
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,910
And but yeah, just seeing them
have that first experience that
1318
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,250
we've all experienced where they
had to suddenly walk and there's
1319
01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:07,490
a massive crowd and they're
doing like for a solid 10
1320
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:09,190
seconds and their hands are just
like.
1321
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,790
Yeah, I've forgotten how they're
like 4 headings through like I I
1322
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,230
don't know how to do this
anymore.
1323
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:16,930
I've seen, by the way, I've seen
the video that Lee is
1324
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:20,200
referencing.
Ohh, once you did your thing
1325
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:23,310
before, when you see the video,
it's just like wooden man.
1326
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,930
Hello.
Yeah I teach.
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I'm here to talk about teaching.
And it was, yeah, it was, yeah,
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01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:30,470
it was funny.
But no, I do.
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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,360
I do enjoy it.
And it's nice to be in that
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01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:37,180
position, to hopefully be the
voice for teachers, because we
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01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:41,190
certainly need it at the minute.
So yeah, if it can help, you
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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,770
know, love it.
No, it really does.
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01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:47,630
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
OK, one thing whilst you're
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01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,090
here, Lee, we've got to talk
about before you go, because I
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01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,400
know you've given us a lot of
your time.
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01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:54,970
We're very, very grateful.
But just in general, obviously
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01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:57,770
teammate AI, big thing in the
past few weeks, especially due
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01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:00,430
to reports, we did a little, we
did a podcast on it.
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01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,310
I know that you shared it with
your followers, really, really
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01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,470
grateful for that.
And it was just this whole idea
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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,740
of kind of trying to break down
the barriers of AI and how it
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01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:09,920
can help teacher with the
workload.
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01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:11,970
Because we're not going to get
the pay rise we need.
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01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,710
Well, why not take advantage of
some tools, whether it's AI or
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01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,970
whatever it is, to reduce that
workload for very low cost or
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01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:20,860
free in in most cases.
So just in general, I know
1347
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:24,770
you're really passionate about
this, but how can you see AI
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01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:27,250
helping us in the future in
terms of teaching?
1349
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:33,320
My main got my main focus of all
this AI that's that's come about
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01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:35,740
as purely been the workload side
of things.
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01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:38,700
Now, you know at primary school
I don't think necessarily
1352
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:42,180
children need access to these
sort of language based AI models
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01:02:42,190 --> 01:02:46,580
and I'm I'm not 100% sure of how
far we allow students further up
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01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:49,240
school to access it.
That's just not really been of
1355
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:54,400
my concern really since these
tools have come about I've just
1356
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:57,200
become obsessed with how it can
help us.
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01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:59,740
Do you know we talked about
before didn't we so much of our
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01:02:59,750 --> 01:03:02,710
work all the time he spent on
stuff that's not having an
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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,560
impact.
That sort of stuff can be
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01:03:04,570 --> 01:03:09,450
replaced by or get get a helping
hand with Dai stuff.
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01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:13,020
And so obviously I've been, I've
been experimenting and playing
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01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:16,540
around with that GPT from the
moment it launched I was talking
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01:03:16,550 --> 01:03:20,270
about sort of open AI on my
training probably for the best
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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,290
part of the past year.
Obviously when ChatGPT came
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01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:26,200
across it just made it
accessible to everyone and I saw
1366
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:28,720
the potential to it and and then
just got involved with
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01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:32,440
developing Teach Mate which just
sort of harnesses it and fine
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01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:37,510
tunes it so that it sort of
minimal input for teachers for
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01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,890
maximum output and and and
already the impact it's having
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01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,210
has because it's not going to
solve the issues and and you
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01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:49,250
know you go back to strikes like
you were saying before would you
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01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:53,410
rather take a 6.5% increase but
your workload be the same and
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01:03:53,420 --> 01:03:57,550
and funding be dreadful by or
would you rather have a reduced
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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,790
workload and workload is the
biggest thing for teachers it is
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01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:05,190
and what I've found over from
doing my training So when I
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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,420
first started doing my training
like decade ago it was very much
1377
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:13,280
like a day of just idea after
idea after idea after idea and
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01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:16,060
then I'd visit these schools
maybe a year after and nothing
1379
01:04:16,070 --> 01:04:18,840
will have been implemented.
And what I've realised is if
1380
01:04:18,850 --> 01:04:22,860
teachers don't have time and an
opportunity to build their
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01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:27,140
confidence and knowledge and try
these ideas out, my trainings
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01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:28,750
are complete and utter waste of
time.
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01:04:28,850 --> 01:04:31,930
And I want because I know the
tech can really help, but
1384
01:04:31,940 --> 01:04:34,860
teachers need the time to get
the red around it.
1385
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:37,880
And what frustrates me is a
profession is one of the worst
1386
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:39,960
professions for letting go of
things.
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01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:44,450
So I always use the analogy.
If if we were taxi drivers, we'd
1388
01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:47,060
be the worst taxi drivers in the
world because we you getting our
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01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:48,930
tax and we'd be like, where do
you want to go?
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01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:50,500
It's like, oh, we'll go to the
airport.
1391
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:52,950
So you put that in the sat NAV
because that's what everyone
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01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,280
uses.
Well then you go right, just
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01:04:54,290 --> 01:04:55,470
strap yourself in.
I won't be long.
1394
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,810
I'm just going to hand write the
root in as much detail as
1395
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:02,870
possible, just in case someone
wants to look at it, you know,
1396
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,230
And it's like, why can't we move
or what?
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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,830
So my trainings then evolved
over the past few years in
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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,070
saying look if you've invested
in this save, invest in a class
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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,200
set of iPads, right.
An iPad.
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01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:20,180
For me by far my favourite tech
tool tech device to use in
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01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:22,380
primary school.
You know I know there's a lot of
1402
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:24,620
schools go down the Chromebook
route and I get a lot of schools
1403
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:27,000
like Ohh Mr P we're thinking of
buying some Chromebooks which
1404
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:30,400
which Chromebooks should be
buying them like an iPad because
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01:05:30,410 --> 01:05:33,500
for me it can just do everything
everything an iPad a Chromebook
1406
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:36,620
can but so much more and the
sort of accessibility and the
1407
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:39,240
multimedia creation and and and
that sort of thing.
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01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:42,770
So, so if you've invested in a
class set of iPads, the first
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01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:46,610
thing you need to start with is
how this tech and help teachers
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01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:48,840
do their job more efficiently
and more.
1411
01:05:48,850 --> 01:05:50,690
Don't even worry about the kids
to begin with.
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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,390
What are the tools that are
going to save teachers time?
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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,730
Because if you can do that,
you're going to get teachers on
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01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:59,120
board with the tech for one and
two.
1415
01:05:59,130 --> 01:06:02,690
They're then going to have time
to sort of play around and
1416
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:05,810
experiment and and sort of build
their confidence and knowledge
1417
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:07,810
and other apps.
But what tends to happen is we
1418
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:09,700
buy these iPad, it's like,
right, you gotta start using
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01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:12,820
this in your class and teachers
are already, they've got no time
1420
01:06:12,830 --> 01:06:14,950
anyway.
So and it's like, yeah, you
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01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,020
gotta use this as well as doing
everything else you've always
1422
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:20,050
done.
So for the majority of schools
1423
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,990
who buy all this tech rather
than reducing workload it ends
1424
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,290
up adding to your workload And
and so you know for years I've
1425
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:30,940
been campaigning about how tech
can help us sort of work smarter
1426
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:34,560
not harder is my sort of mantra.
But I honestly believe there's
1427
01:06:34,570 --> 01:06:37,740
not been anything that's been
that's come along that's had
1428
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:41,460
such an immediate impact on
saving teachers time more than
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01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:44,230
this sort of language based AI
stuff.
1430
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:47,460
And it is just, you know, I know
there's a lot of apprehension
1431
01:06:47,470 --> 01:06:49,830
and there's a lot of teachers
who because I think you talked
1432
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,720
about and you put on that
episode you did, which was which
1433
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:55,290
was brilliant about, you know,
some teachers saying they
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01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:57,740
weren't allowed to use it.
And you just sort of thinking
1435
01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:00,510
where's that coming?
And it comes from that fear,
1436
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,240
doesn't it?
It's that fear of the unknown.
1437
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:04,570
I I did a training session of
the week where a teacher was
1438
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:06,480
like, ohh, I'm not touching that
AI stuff.
1439
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:08,540
They want the robots to start
killing us all.
1440
01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:12,950
And I'm like, listen to it.
Terminator is not a true story,
1441
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,990
you know, and it's not.
He's really good at writing
1442
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,110
reports.
He's great, yeah.
1443
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:20,100
And it's not going to be the AI
that's going to be the downfall
1444
01:07:20,110 --> 01:07:22,550
of humanity.
It's going to be how we choose
1445
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,770
to use it as humans, you know?
Exactly.
1446
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:27,140
And don't get me wrong, I'm sure
there's going to be in the same
1447
01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,030
way that social media can do
amazing things, can do dreadful
1448
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,470
things, AI, AI will be the same.
And it's all about how we choose
1449
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,630
to use it.
And if we can embrace it and
1450
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,670
allow it to to to do some of the
heavy lifting with certain admin
1451
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,630
tasks so that teachers have time
to do whatever it is that's
1452
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,870
that's going to help them.
Because this is where I take a
1453
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,610
very sort of frank approach with
well-being because I find that
1454
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:53,250
to be, you know, majority of
things schools do for well-being
1455
01:07:53,260 --> 01:07:56,250
tend to do the complete opposite
of what they're supposed to do.
1456
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,630
Because, you know, luckily at my
school, we don't do any of that
1457
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,830
rubbish.
But there's absolutely no point
1458
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,810
in putting a mug on my desk with
some chocolates in with a little
1459
01:08:06,820 --> 01:08:08,770
post it note saying you've been
mugged.
1460
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,370
If I'm, if I'm the biggest mug
stuck in school till half six,
1461
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:15,290
7:00 o'clock every night
pointlessly marking books, No,
1462
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:18,550
my kids can't even read it.
Yeah, and we don't see the irony
1463
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,720
in it, you know.
Yeah, don't get me started on
1464
01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:27,029
yoga.
Have you ever, very quickly,
1465
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,029
have you ever found yourself in
an hour long meeting on
1466
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,830
well-being?
I'm thinking the only thing that
1467
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,250
would help my well-being right
now is if you let me leave like
1468
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:33,800
that.
Yeah.
1469
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:36,060
Number one thing you can do
Don't talk to me about
1470
01:08:36,069 --> 01:08:38,300
well-being.
Luckily I've never sat through a
1471
01:08:38,310 --> 01:08:41,149
staff meeting myself because
we're we're not we're not like
1472
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,300
that.
But I've had messages like it's
1473
01:08:43,310 --> 01:08:44,880
one of the most common messages
I got sent home.
1474
01:08:44,890 --> 01:08:47,620
Must be have been been asked to
do so to lead a work a staff
1475
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:49,560
meeting on well-being.
Can you recommend anything?
1476
01:08:49,569 --> 01:08:52,540
And my my response is cancel the
bloody meeting.
1477
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:54,260
Yeah.
And stop my best at 9:00 PM
1478
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:56,250
about it, Yeah.
You're not yourself.
1479
01:08:56,290 --> 01:08:59,890
It's the best thing you can do.
So there was a teacher who
1480
01:08:59,899 --> 01:09:03,810
subscribed to, so she got this
teacher recently, got a little
1481
01:09:03,819 --> 01:09:08,000
bit of budget to do some sort of
staff, well-being staff meeting
1482
01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:09,729
or Twilight or something like
that.
1483
01:09:09,939 --> 01:09:12,630
And she just signed a school up
to teach mate, got the whole
1484
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,569
school subscription, spent the
first part of the staff meeting,
1485
01:09:15,580 --> 01:09:18,189
teaching staff how to use it,
how to navigate the site.
1486
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:20,729
And it's like, there you go.
If that can save you 10 hours a
1487
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:23,450
week, then use that 10 out.
Because this is the thing about
1488
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:26,180
well, you can't force it on
someone is completely and
1489
01:09:26,189 --> 01:09:29,710
utterly subjective.
Like some people will find
1490
01:09:29,779 --> 01:09:33,050
listening to this podcast that
you do good for the well-being.
1491
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:36,140
Other people would be like, no,
no, I can't think of anything.
1492
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:38,240
But you know, that's the because
it's each to their own.
1493
01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:40,510
And you know, some people love
the yoga.
1494
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:42,560
They love it.
I can't think of anything worse
1495
01:09:42,569 --> 01:09:45,020
than being in a hall, doing the
downward dog and farting in
1496
01:09:45,029 --> 01:09:47,510
someone's face.
You know, I'm not flexible.
1497
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:51,430
Just like thinking about my my
own, just me.
1498
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,149
Like if, if, my well-being and
what my subjective experience of
1499
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,710
that has changed.
But if you ask me eight years
1500
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,870
ago at the beginning of my
career, to do certain things or
1501
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,730
if I was struggling with
something, like no, I'm loving
1502
01:10:01,740 --> 01:10:02,740
this because I was at that
point.
1503
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:05,470
Honeymoon period of the career
where I worked every single
1504
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:08,100
working waking hour on it and I
loved it.
1505
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,250
And I wouldn't do that now.
I'd resent that completely.
1506
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:11,510
So yeah, you would.
Absolutely.
1507
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,910
Right.
It's a completely subjective
1508
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,350
experience and you just have to
provide those tools.
1509
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,770
One thing I've really liked that
you've been doing recently,
1510
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,190
actually, and.
And it's just, I'm not like a
1511
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,750
really personal level.
It just did something in my
1512
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,760
brain.
I was like, oh, that's a good
1513
01:10:23,770 --> 01:10:26,640
way of doing it because it made
me think about it was you've
1514
01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:28,960
been making a lot of videos
recently about, like, actually
1515
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:32,420
showing how to use teach my AI.
Yeah, like properly, like being
1516
01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:35,240
like, this is this tool, this is
how you do it.
1517
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:37,410
And then just filming you
literally doing it and using it
1518
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:39,570
and saying I'm gonna use this
now in this lesson or whatever.
1519
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:41,830
It's gonna save me some time for
this.
1520
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,050
And as a teacher who is at that
point where you know and just
1521
01:10:46,060 --> 01:10:49,250
working with Dylan as well, like
we fill our we fill our weak all
1522
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:50,280
the time.
Constantly.
1523
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:53,520
Really busy.
Um, I just hadn't had time to.
1524
01:10:53,530 --> 01:10:56,160
I like the idea of doing it, but
I was like, oh look, another
1525
01:10:56,170 --> 01:10:57,700
time I'll look.
Another time at all.
1526
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:59,080
I'll look, it's been 5 weeks
now.
1527
01:10:59,090 --> 01:11:00,240
I'll look another time on that
tour.
1528
01:11:00,370 --> 01:11:04,130
But seeing your video and just
the way we all consume media, I
1529
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:05,920
was like, oh, I've just done
that thing that I meant to do
1530
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:07,810
for five weeks because you did
it for me.
1531
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:09,600
Ohh that.
Yeah, I can use that tool, yeah.
1532
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:11,750
Yeah.
And that was really good.
1533
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:15,030
And what I like about, I think
one of the biggest sort of
1534
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:19,420
selling points almost of it is
the resources it creates are so
1535
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:23,360
bespoke to you what you want.
So you know, you've got all your
1536
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:26,100
big resource websites out there.
We know, we, we know who they
1537
01:11:26,110 --> 01:11:27,880
are.
But there's certain topics you
1538
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:30,700
will do in class that they won't
have.
1539
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:33,360
They're not going to have a
local history resource for where
1540
01:11:33,370 --> 01:11:36,040
you are in, in Kent compared to,
you know, we do something about
1541
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:38,360
style, Milliman not going to
have anything about that.
1542
01:11:38,430 --> 01:11:41,580
But with this tool now you're
able to curate resources that
1543
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:45,310
are completely bespoke to what
you're covering or what the
1544
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,270
interest is of the children or
whatever it might.
1545
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,380
And I think that's such a
powerful, powerful thing.
1546
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:53,800
So obviously the time saving
element is the the top one.
1547
01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:58,360
I mean anything that can be used
to save teachers time and you
1548
01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:01,610
know it's not going to solve all
of the problems we're facing as
1549
01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:04,340
as educators it's not.
But if it can give teachers that
1550
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:07,600
time back, you know, I think
it's a really good thing.
1551
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:10,940
But also the fact and this other
bits, so you know a lot of the
1552
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:13,580
feedback we're getting from CT
sort of young teachers.
1553
01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:15,680
I don't know if it was the same
with you when you came in.
1554
01:12:16,190 --> 01:12:19,490
It's it's like watching a Line
of Duty episodes sometimes isn't
1555
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:21,750
it, where there's all these
acronyms and they're talking and
1556
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,310
what seems like a foreign
language.
1557
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:28,270
We're going what's what's an NQT
PSC you know ECT and and and
1558
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,290
these tools there that can you
know explain certain terms or
1559
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:35,490
give you a breakdown of you know
what what am I supposed to be
1560
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:39,790
looking at or what does this
mean or what is the you know KSI
1561
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:41,840
children safe and.
You know, we're going to have to
1562
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:45,280
use that for our we get a lot of
people listen to the podcast who
1563
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:48,310
are teachers, and after every
episode, what is it?
1564
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:50,610
What is pedagogy?
What are you talking about?
1565
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:51,560
Ohh, Yeah, sorry.
Forgot.
1566
01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:53,850
You've got no idea what we're
talking about the time.
1567
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:57,010
So it's good for that and and
also sort of some of the send
1568
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:59,860
support that's there as well.
So we've built some tools that
1569
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:03,330
you know if you are noticing
that a child is behaving in a
1570
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:06,610
certain way or this certain, you
know, you can go in there and
1571
01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:09,400
sort of say look this child is
presenting with this, this, this
1572
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:11,730
and this.
And it will, you know, use its
1573
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:14,350
data to sort of say, well, it
could be this and this is, you
1574
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,400
know, there's one where if you
say, right, I've got a child in
1575
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:21,090
my class who's got ADHD.
And then the the AI will create
1576
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,170
a number or you know, generate a
number of ideas for how you can
1577
01:13:25,180 --> 01:13:29,180
make your classroom more
inclusive and and best support
1578
01:13:29,190 --> 01:13:31,410
the children.
Which you know you could go on
1579
01:13:31,420 --> 01:13:33,810
Google and you could fat but
this is just doing it at the
1580
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,350
speed of light you know so.
So I think it is a really,
1581
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,830
really positive tool obviously
where it goes the it's sort of
1582
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,530
exciting and scary at the same
time.
1583
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:48,050
It just how quickly things are
developing and you know and and
1584
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:51,540
we do obviously need to be aware
of certain things and you know
1585
01:13:51,550 --> 01:13:55,720
people have commented on some of
my posts about uh oh be careful
1586
01:13:55,730 --> 01:13:58,130
because next thing I will take
over your job and I was like
1587
01:13:58,140 --> 01:14:01,060
well it won't will it because
the main part of our job is the
1588
01:14:01,070 --> 01:14:03,020
human connection we have with
these kids.
1589
01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:04,880
You know and that's never going
to go away.
1590
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,470
You're always going to need
that.
1591
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:09,820
We just search quick side thing
for part of our tutoring stuff.
1592
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:11,580
We we make a lot of YouTube
videos as well.
1593
01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:15,360
Yeah we just for fun.
Last year, when ChatGPT was like
1594
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:18,350
first hitting the media, we just
made a silly video of Will Will
1595
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,540
AI replace teachers?
And we got ChatGPT to write us.
1596
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:25,190
A script to follow as a teacher
on how to teach five things.
1597
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,050
So we gave him, he said, ohh,
write me a script on how to
1598
01:14:28,060 --> 01:14:30,830
teach children how to tell the
time, for example.
1599
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,130
And it was hilarious because it
got one or two of them right.
1600
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:36,520
Anything really procedural was
quite good, like how to find the
1601
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:38,570
interior angles of a triangle,
you know, whatever.
1602
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,430
But yeah, it was a real laugh
because it just got it
1603
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:46,950
completely, completely wrong.
It can, it can be erratic
1604
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,880
sometimes.
It can come out with some stuff
1605
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:50,690
and you're like, where's it got
that from?
1606
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:51,960
So.
Conclusion.
1607
01:14:52,030 --> 01:14:53,670
It's it's not gonna replace
teachers.
1608
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,130
It's a Turner.
It's a team.
1609
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:56,170
Yeah.
It's not us.
1610
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:59,130
Yeah, absolutely.
It's a great tool and it really
1611
01:14:59,140 --> 01:15:01,790
powerful tool, but ultimately is
a tool.
1612
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,690
It's like I said in a video
about it, sort of being like a
1613
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:07,050
calculator.
Calculators haven't replaced
1614
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:09,060
mathematicians.
Yeah, you've still got
1615
01:15:09,070 --> 01:15:11,730
mathematicians, but it's just a
tool that they can use to help
1616
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:15,020
with what they're doing.
So I think a I can certainly
1617
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:19,510
help with that and and and and
and sort of the impact it's
1618
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,910
having has been amazing sort of
the feedback we've been getting
1619
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,410
from teachers.
Like I had a message from a
1620
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:26,040
teacher who said it's it's
literally kept her in the
1621
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,160
profession.
She was so close on it a day and
1622
01:15:29,170 --> 01:15:31,680
having a tool now that giving it
gives her a week, evenings and
1623
01:15:31,690 --> 01:15:33,150
weekends back.
He's just unreal.
1624
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,410
So you know it is.
It's great.
1625
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:37,650
Lee, we are so grateful for your
time.
1626
01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:38,970
I think we're going to wrap it
up there.
1627
01:15:39,820 --> 01:15:43,490
It's it's it's been like amazing
to talk to you and again, just
1628
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:46,310
wrapping it up with the thanks
for all your insight with AI.
1629
01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:47,750
Thanks for all you're doing on
the media.
1630
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:50,240
Stuff because, you know, we're
going to be the voice of the
1631
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:52,640
teachers who aren't on the media
now and say you're doing such a
1632
01:15:52,650 --> 01:15:54,460
good job for us.
So we really, really appreciate
1633
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:55,460
it.
Thank you.
1634
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:56,720
No problem.
I really do.
1635
01:15:56,730 --> 01:15:58,810
And yeah, Hayden, anything
before we go?
1636
01:15:59,010 --> 01:16:01,680
Well, I just wanna ask one quick
question.
1637
01:16:01,690 --> 01:16:04,440
The final point.
OK, what's in store for the
1638
01:16:04,450 --> 01:16:05,900
future?
What can we expect to see from
1639
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:10,110
ICT, Mr P?
Just more of the same, really.
1640
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:16,250
We've got another podcast tour
happening in October and that's
1641
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:18,350
going to be that.
We're playing some quite big
1642
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,170
venues with that one, which I'm
absolutely cracking it, but
1643
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,930
hopefully people can We're
we're, we're doing it.
1644
01:16:23,940 --> 01:16:27,850
So the first tour we sort of
agreed to do it.
1645
01:16:27,860 --> 01:16:30,460
During lockdown, when I just
wasn't sure of where the
1646
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:32,430
training was going to go.
I didn't know whether I'd be
1647
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:34,530
back on the road, I didn't know
whether schools would.
1648
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,860
So I sort of had that offered
and we were like yeah, well then
1649
01:16:37,870 --> 01:16:41,530
you know something guaranteed
And then because it was sort of
1650
01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:44,910
selling so well they kept adding
dates and dates and I think we
1651
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:50,390
ended up doing close to 70 dates
over sort of best part of a year
1652
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,850
which was incredible.
But it really started to take
1653
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:56,050
its toll a little bit.
So it was sort of still
1654
01:16:56,060 --> 01:16:58,970
travelling during the week doing
my training and then Friday
1655
01:16:58,980 --> 01:17:02,830
night, Saturday night, Sundays
were were on the road, you know
1656
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,820
and I made clear to my brother
that when when we are on the
1657
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:09,800
road we we're back every night
like I'm not staying out.
1658
01:17:09,810 --> 01:17:13,120
So even if we don't get home
till 3:00 in the morning and
1659
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:16,070
want to make sure I'm there with
the kids on a Sunday and we have
1660
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,260
a full day which sort of
backfired because I would be
1661
01:17:18,270 --> 01:17:21,910
there but I'd be so tired.
I think that's not being there
1662
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,090
And it was amazing and and and
sort of the reaction to it and I
1663
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,460
thought it really sort of came
at the right time where post
1664
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:32,720
COVID when teachers had you know
really worked their arses off
1665
01:17:32,730 --> 01:17:36,080
and stepped up and you know it
was really you know cannot
1666
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:38,870
underestimate what an incredible
job teachers and schools have.
1667
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,810
Did you know having an
opportunity to come together and
1668
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:44,880
just sort of not not reminisce
that makes it sound like it was
1669
01:17:44,890 --> 01:17:47,530
a pleasant experience but sort
of talk about it and have a bit
1670
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:50,270
of a laugh and a bit of a giggle
and have a few drinks.
1671
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:55,220
It really did seem to resonate
and help and so but, so when
1672
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:57,130
they approached us and said you
want to do another tour, I was
1673
01:17:57,140 --> 01:18:00,700
like, yeah, but there's no way
I'm doing you know 6-7 months of
1674
01:18:00,710 --> 01:18:01,710
every.
Weekend.
1675
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,740
Condense it to two weeks during
the October half term and then
1676
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:08,270
they've gone right.
OK, but we'll book you it.
1677
01:18:08,890 --> 01:18:11,630
Venues that double the size of
what you were doing last time.
1678
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,670
So we've got like, the London
Hackney empire we're doing.
1679
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,010
Whoa.
Yeah, I think I've, I think I've
1680
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:19,350
been there.
That's not small.
1681
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,230
No, no, that's what I mean.
So that's amazing.
1682
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,670
So we've got that in the
pipeline.
1683
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,030
Some other sort of exciting
projects have been working on
1684
01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:32,500
and obviously exciting to see
where the AI stuff goes and
1685
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:34,100
obviously really developing
that.
1686
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:37,590
I mean we've got some really
exciting updates on Teach Mate
1687
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,550
happening over the summer and
and sort of looking at building
1688
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,730
that and just making it as, you
know, I think what what sets it
1689
01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:47,070
apart because these sort of AI
teacher tools are popping up
1690
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,630
here there and everywhere.
Yeah.
1691
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,990
But what I really think sets us
apart from all the others is,
1692
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,060
you know, it's made by teachers,
for teachers.
1693
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:58,860
So it's sort of exactly sort of
getting the best out of this
1694
01:18:58,870 --> 01:19:01,570
sort of technology.
And and what we've been able to
1695
01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:05,030
do now is bring on a really
experienced sort of coder and
1696
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,970
programmer who's able to build
stuff that we could only dream
1697
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:10,510
of.
And so we're sort of going
1698
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,950
actually, would we be able to do
this?
1699
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,740
And he's like, yeah, just give
me a couple of weeks and I'll
1700
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:16,330
build it.
So if you do go on the platform
1701
01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:20,090
now compared to maybe when you
made that episode a few weeks
1702
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:23,820
ago, you'll see the drastic
difference in in all elements of
1703
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:26,370
the website.
Thanks to Ian, who's just been
1704
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,820
an absolute godsend.
So that would be exciting to see
1705
01:19:28,830 --> 01:19:31,240
where that goes.
And then yeah, I suppose just
1706
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:36,120
continuing to to represent the
the profession and and and sort
1707
01:19:36,130 --> 01:19:39,430
of help and support.
However, however, I can really.
1708
01:19:40,150 --> 01:19:42,130
So we like to hear.
It's what we like to hear.
1709
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,170
Ohh amazing.
It's been so good talking to you
1710
01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:47,550
and thank you so much and.
Happy down to earth as we we
1711
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,030
thought you would be who you
would be and it's been a really
1712
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,030
good chat.
Yeah, and keep doing what you're
1713
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,570
doing guys.
I've been enjoying listening to
1714
01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:55,210
the episodes.
Thank you.
1715
01:19:55,930 --> 01:19:56,700
No.
Cheers, mate.
1716
01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:58,370
We, we now we we do appreciate
that.
1717
01:19:58,380 --> 01:20:00,840
That's really cool and we don't
need to tell you how good your
1718
01:20:00,850 --> 01:20:02,740
podcast is.
So thank you.
1719
01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:03,740
Brilliant.
Yeah.
1720
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:09,290
Cheers.
OK, now as always, every single
1721
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:11,280
guest we've had on this podcast,
we've been so lucky.
1722
01:20:11,290 --> 01:20:12,990
Haven't we had him?
Because afterwards I just feel
1723
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,820
like I get so much out of it.
But the one thing I will just
1724
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:18,850
say that I felt was amazing
about that from my point of view
1725
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:22,410
is I felt like I had someone on
my level of my political anger
1726
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:24,970
and it just felt so good to have
that discussion.
1727
01:20:24,980 --> 01:20:27,010
I know you, I know you care
about these things either, but I
1728
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:30,210
just, it was like 2 Mr P's.
I'm an honorary one now with Mr.
1729
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:34,600
Price and I just felt like I say
yeah, yeah, he just, he gets it.
1730
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:36,360
He he he gets it, he gets the
anger.
1731
01:20:36,370 --> 01:20:38,140
And I like said millions of
times, No.
1732
01:20:38,150 --> 01:20:41,570
Just so grateful that he's on
online, on the media, spreading
1733
01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:43,930
our word.
I I was gonna try and make a
1734
01:20:43,940 --> 01:20:45,810
joke at one point and I just
said, you know, when you get the
1735
01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:47,530
right moment to jump it in.
So I didn't.
1736
01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:50,480
But I was gonna say it's like
talking to two Dylans is I've
1737
01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:52,690
got two of you now because you
had very much the same
1738
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,400
ideologies, same ideas and there
are points where you two are
1739
01:20:55,410 --> 01:20:58,130
just going off on having a
really interesting conversation
1740
01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:00,490
about politics or whatever.
So I actually thoroughly enjoyed
1741
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:02,740
listening to it and I can't wait
to see the next installment of
1742
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:06,290
three Mr P's in a podcast and.
And everyone else gets a list.
1743
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:07,850
I'm gonna do this solo from now
on.
1744
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,660
I was gonna join them.
We've got some on that.
1745
01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:13,330
On that note, I guess some sad
news for a lot of people.
1746
01:21:13,340 --> 01:21:15,760
This podcast is ending this week
because I have been off the
1747
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:19,370
contract and unless you change
your name to something, gonna
1748
01:21:19,380 --> 01:21:21,820
pay Mr Stevens if.
You're not involved, right?
1749
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,730
No, that's it.
I'm out of the game.
1750
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:26,570
It was a good run.
Thanks everyone, for listening.
1751
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:28,390
Thanks.
Rishi Sunak being our biggest
1752
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,380
listener, bringing that joke
back.
1753
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,110
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's what
1754
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:33,710
comedians call a callback,
apparently.
1755
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,970
And if you give you callback
stuff enough, it's funny
1756
01:21:35,980 --> 01:21:37,770
apparently.
Is this the point then, where
1757
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:40,850
you are and you say things like
thinking of callbacks?
1758
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,710
This is where you can check our
old episodes and stuff like
1759
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,190
that.
Is that we do, Yeah, definitely,
1760
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,660
definitely.
So you know, if you did enjoy
1761
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that and you know and you enjoy
Mr Peace podcast and why not 21?
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That's a sub tier version of it
and that's our podcast Teach,
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Seat Repeat.
So if you come from being a fan
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of Mr P and his amazing podcast,
this one, OK, so why not?
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Why not check out all of our
previous episodes and and yeah,
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we'd love to have you and love
for you guys to stay.
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Anyway, Aiden, I've seen that's
it for this.
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Week.
Yeah, nice one.
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I meant the social media stuff,
but that's fine.
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I don't need to know where to
find us on social media.
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It's down a link below.
I really don't want to say it
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again, so.
We have to watch that.
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I'm gonna finish with this if
you've got some funny stories
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from the classroom that you'd
like to share with us.
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Bought some cringe worthy
moments, Awesome toxicity in
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schools that you want us to out
because you know, which is well
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then do write to us and we will
definitely share them on a
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podcast because we love it.
See you next time.
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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode
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of Tech Step Repeat.
My name is Dylan.
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And my name is Hayden.
And we are so excited because
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you know, you've seen it.
You've seen the thumbnail.
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We're not going to waffle Waffle
as we do all the time before we
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get into the guest.
Hayden Wiffle Waffle.
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There's there's no time for
Wiffle waffling, whatever that
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is because we have a super
guest.
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We're so excited.
We want to play it for you as
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soon as possible.
Hayden Aren't we all ready for?
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This ridiculous, excited.
We had this guest lined up for a
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while.
We spoke to him earlier in the
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week.
So you're listening to a
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recording and I will just say
now.
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I don't normally say before, but
I just absolutely loved it.
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He was so down to earth, the
wonderful ICT with Mr P of
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course, and and yeah, I think
you'll enjoy the chat.
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We certainly did loads and loads
of words of wisdom, some funny
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bits and anecdotes.
Just a really good chat to those
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of you.
So enjoy.
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Today we are joined by one of
the best known faces in primary
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teaching ICT with Mr P, AKA Mr.
Lee Parkinson Lee, It is great
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to have you on today.
How you doing?
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I'm good, mate, yeah, we're at
the start of the summer
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holidays.
I've been dreading these summer
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holidays.
To be honest though, because my
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heart.
I'm halfway through an extension
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at my house, so I've got the
next six weeks with one room of
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the house and my 3:00.
Children who were an age where
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their whole life seems to be
about bickering and fighting and
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arguing, and I'm currently
having solo as well.
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I'm the only pair in in my wifes
away for a few days, so yeah,
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like to be on this podcast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm just staying in here all
day.
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This is going to be the 1/5 hour
interview.
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We can make this drag out as
long as you want.
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I did hear on your on your last
podcast episode you said about
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how you've not had a kitchen for
however long and you just living
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off the air fryer.
Mate, what an invention.
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Unbelievable.
I've got one.
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I've got a kitchen.
I still don't use it.
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I've just used the air right
now.
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Yeah, it's like it's perfect.
I love the fact that it has all
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these settings, but you just
literally throw anything in 20
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minutes.
Done.
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And it's always 20 minutes,
isn't it?
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No matter what I look up, I'm
like, OK, what about this?
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Ohh, 20 minutes?
OK, cool.
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Just 20 minutes.
You did?
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It's the best thing.
Then it's up there.
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Top 3 for me.
Inventions of my lifetime, I
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reckon.
Yeah, right.
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Over the course of this episode,
we're going to fill in that over
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2 slots in that top three.
Yeah, you just feel it.
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I can feel it right now.
Anyway, Lee, I'm going to jump
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in because as always when we
have a guest on, I do this quick
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fire round.
I just say a word and you just
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say your first reaction.
Basically.
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They're all linked to school.
And Hayden's made making me stop
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this game now because apparently
it's gone on for too long and
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I'm really too long just eking
it out.
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So you're the last one, you know
it's gonna be the the best one
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as well, I'm sure.
So you all good if we crack?
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On Yeah.
Yeah.
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So it's one word or just a
couple of words, if you can do
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one word, but you know, couple
of words.
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We're not too far.
We're not too fast.
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OK, OK, ready?
Yeah, let's go, AI.
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Time saver, Ofsted.
Criminals I can't wait to I love
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this because we dive into it
after TA's.
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Underpaid iPads.
Amazing memes.
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Hilarious.
Yeah, this very government.
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Ohh, that's enough that sound.
In that in that okay strikes.
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Necessary.
Hmm.
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Teacher gifts valued.
Hmm, definitely.
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And we just kind of talked about
it some holidays.
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Gaslighting.
Ohh, Can we dive straight into
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that one?
Yeah, go.
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Can we dive straight into that
one?
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What do you what do you mean?
I mean it for two reasons,
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right?
So I don't get me wrong, I have
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a sort of love hate relationship
with summer holidays or just any
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of the teacher holidays we get.
But what really frustrates me is
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obviously with the past year and
the strikes and I've been quite
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outspoken about the strikes and
why we're striking the the
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amount of people who aren't in
education who use that ohh, well
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you get 30 weeks off paid that
trope to just deny us.
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A voice and sort of talking
about why we are straight.
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It's just so.
Bloody frustrating as a as an
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it's just a pointless argue.
I just you know it's always been
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that way but all of a sudden now
it's sort of because of the
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society we've as a society we've
accepted this thing of like as a
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work you don't have any rights
and you know zero hour contracts
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all that sort of stuff.
So you know you sort of
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manipulated into believing now
you can only be a successful
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parent if you're working every
hour under the sun.
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And I don't know the official
statistics, but I think if we
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were to look into it as a
generation of parents, we
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probably spend the least amount
of time with our kids than.
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We ever have done, yeah.
And then it's like, well, it's
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always been up, but now that you
get 12 weeks off and I don't
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that, I'm gonna use that to just
bash you as much as possible.
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Plus, I also think that for
teachers, it can be quite
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gaslight and it can almost
excuse a lot of the bad things
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that we have to put up with
during term time.
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So you've got, you're in this
never ending cycle of crawling
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to the break, normally being ill
for the first few days as your
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body just recovers from it right
now, by the way, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
And then you have a few more
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days where you sort of recover
and you start to relax and
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switch off and you're like,
actually this is pretty good.
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You know, teaching.
Teaching isn't as bad.
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And then?
And then you start again and
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you're into that cycle where
during term time you have to
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sacrifice.
And it shouldn't be that way,
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but the current system has it
where you sacrifice and you sort
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of.
Health well-being and social
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life and all that sort of stuff.
Just to crawl to next holiday,
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it's that sort of thing.
So yes, that's why I've I've
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said that for for school
holidays.
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I feel like there's a kind of
like a linear, very predictable
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conversation that I've had over
the last eight years with people
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that have that sort of opinion
of the summer holidays, like
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negative opinion of teachers,
ohh you get all this holiday.
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What normally happens is then
someone that isn't teaching says
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yeah but we work in the holidays
and we do this, this and that
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and then the next bit is them
then going ohh teachers what I
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do is moan.
Unless they get over it,
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snowflakes come up and it's like
there's no winning.
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Like where?
What is the point of this
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conversation?
What the what?
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The thing is, what people don't
realise is until you get in
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education, until you're working
education, because you know,
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teaching should be the best job
in the world, but the system is
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so.
Crap that when we're moaning,
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we're not moaning about working
hard, cause teachers are hard
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working people.
You know it.
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You're not gonna find another
profession that sort of puts the
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graft in as much as teachers do.
But I think the frustrating
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thing for us is so much of our
time at the minute is spent on
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stuff that doesn't have an
impact.
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That is just a load of rubbish
that we could easily stop doing
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it and have no impact.
But we carry on and it's like
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why are we doing this?
Why am I having to work double
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my contracted hours a week on
stuff that?
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Has absolutely no impact on
teaching learning, but it's that
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sort of blanket.
Or yeah, old teachers do his
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moment.
It's like, no, no, come and work
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a week, come and work a week,
see how ridiculous the system is
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and then you sort of get it.
For me on that point is I just
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think we wouldn't have a
retention and recruitment crisis
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right now if it was this lovey,
dovey job that everyone comes
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makes out.
That is it.
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It doesn't.
It doesn't add up, does it?
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It's like, OK, in one respect,
you're saying it's the easiest
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job in the world.
You get 13 weeks off a year, but
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then in the next breath we're
talking about how we have
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consistently, for the last 10
years, not recruited enough
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teachers.
It it just doesn't add.
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Up and and and and with the
holidays if there were this be
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all and end all that everyone
says.
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Why have we got the biggest
retention crisis we've ever seen
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in education if they are this
wonderful sort of And don't get
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me wrong they are a perk.
I'm not for one second
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suggesting we scrap him.
Please.
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I don't know.
What would you take?
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Would you take a sort of generic
what?
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What's the normal set holidays
someone will get joining
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normally 5?
Weeks. 5-6, right?
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So let's say it's 5-6 weeks but.
On on the other week she just
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work your contracted hours.
No homework, no weekend work.
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Just standard like you're in
school contract that if if it
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was teaching that we were doing
in that job right I would pick
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the probably the latter option
because I love.
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I love teaching.
I think the thing never ever do.
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I begrudge going in and teaching
the kids some maths and some
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reading and some English and
science like that's the part of
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the job we love doing.
So if that's all we were doing
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I'd happily do more of it.
I think you're right.
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But the the point now we are
being gassed aren't we?
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Because we're being although you
said it's the best job in the
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world, but you just, you know,
and you get all this time off.
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It's just that we're gonna make
this imaginary job and put a
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clause in your contract which
says you've got to do as much
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time as you need to to get this
job done that we've made-up.
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And it's just so frustrating.
So funnily enough, I don't know
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about you, Hayden.
I actually think I would pick
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the second option there with
fewer holidays, but with just
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pure teaching.
Yeah, I think so.
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I think so, because at the end
of the day, all we'd be cutting
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out is the stuff we don't like
doing.
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So it's like, yeah, I'll I'll
work more weeks, but do all of
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the stuff I like doing and have
a slightly.
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Less and and it's not even stuff
we don't like doing.
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It's stuff that we don't need to
do most of the time.
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It's.
You know what I mean?
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It's, you know, which sort of
links to.
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Like Ofsted being the main
reason for that, it was.
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You know criminals.
What?
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What made you say that?
Well, just I'm not not all of
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them, you know.
I know, I know there's some
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brilliant inspectors out there.
But yeah, there's some really
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bad ones and really bad eggs who
you know I get my since the news
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about Ruth Perry and it really
did affect me that and and you
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know I made, I made a couple of
videos about it and the first
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video I made where I sort of
talked about it, I had at least.
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Fixed half a dozen sort of
messages from the school leaders
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who said they were in the exact
same mindset and had one head
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teacher who said at the end of
the first first day of an
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inspection, he left school at
gone midnight and he knew he
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wasn't going to make it home.
Like he'd accept he wasn't going
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to make and you just think.
How can you be so tone deaf to
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not realise the sort of
detrimental impact you're having
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on the profession should be
supporting and again I'm not, I
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don't you know say every
inspectors like that because
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some are, some are amazing and
you know for every well I'd say
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pre Roof Perry for every 10
schools who say the inspection
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was really negative you'd get
one or two.
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Who said it was a positive
experience?
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I think obviously the Ruth Perry
has changed that and actually.
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On all the sort of training I've
done since and speaking schools
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who have been inspected, it
seems all of a sudden it's a
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much more positive experience,
which again is very telling and.
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But I get message from teachers
all the time.
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Like in the last week I must
have got about 5 messages about
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getting the call.
Like we've had the call.
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Any advice?
And I can't give any advice.
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All I can ever say is good luck.
And that's the problem.
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It's all about luck.
It's all about luck as far as
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whether you get the right
inspector on the right day,
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who's going to give you a fair
crack at the wit to sort of show
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and and and and give a a decent
account of what you're doing at
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your school.
And what then really annoys me
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is we all know this.
As teachers, we all know the
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systems flawed.
We all know that Austin in its
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current form is not a force for
good in education.
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I'm not against having it.
We need that level of
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accountability.
But in its current form, you
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will never convince me it's a
force for good.
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We all know it's a luck of the
draw.
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So if we get an inspector who
comes in, gives us a fair crack
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at it, we then do all right and
they say right you could
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outstanding.
What do we then do as a school?
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By a massive banner.
By a massive banner, Yeah, stick
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it outside the school.
Get the local news in and make
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this big force about a person
who's not been in a school for I
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don't know how long, Telling us
that we're good or outstanding
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yet.
We know full well on a different
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day with a different inspector,
it have been a completely
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different outcome and you've got
livelihoods on the line.
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You've got everyone's mental
health all over.
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It just doesn't make sense why
we're we're sort of our own
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worst enemies with it.
And it's frustrating because on
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that point I think teachers go
even further sometimes because I
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did and I know Hayden did that
when we were in that environment
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previously when we were younger
teachers and we were observed a
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lot, we were observed a lot in
in our school and we were given
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a grade.
So as a teacher which is not
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best practise now at all,
doesn't happen a lot now.
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But it used to happen a lot
more.
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And we were told, oh, you know,
that was that was an outstanding
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lesson.
And I remember it took about 6
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observations.
And it would kind of like a way
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to kind of dangle a carrot from
SLT as if to say, ohh, you know,
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you're good, you're you're
becoming outstanding, you're
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there.
You know these these like
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prompts in between and they all
fed into this idea of Ofsted of
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you need to get to outstanding.
When we got to outstanding, if
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SLT said that was outstanding
lesson, I remember I I'd go, I'd
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go and find Hayden.
I'd go and find my other
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teaching partner, like God
standing.
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And then I'd call myself an out
takeaway.
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Tonight.
Yeah, I know it would.
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It would be like that.
Like, wow, we're going out on
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the town tonight guys.
This random person SLT has said
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that my maths lesson on rounding
was outstanding.
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So what?
All the other staff aren't
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coming because they got told
they were not and they're all
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crying and because they were
really hard.
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In this lesson exactly.
What it says someone else
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system.
It's that grading.
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I mean that's the easiest thing
Ofsted could have done off the
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back of it.
He's got rid of the grading now,
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I don't know if you're aware.
So over in Wales, the
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inspectorate in Wales is called
testing, right?
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Which I always laugh at because
it always sounds like somebody
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got off a lads holiday in
Magaluf than it was the holiday.
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Yeah, it was good.
But let's get some antibiotics.
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Got a bit of an?
And and they they've got rid of
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the grades this year.
So they they all do a report.
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So they'll come in and do an
inspection, they'll write a
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report and it will highlight
your sort of strengths and areas
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for development, but they won't.
Sort of take a complex machine
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like a school and give it a one
word grading.
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Now that's not had any negative
impact on schools in Wales at
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all.
So why Ousted can't do that is
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because that those gradings give
Ofsted all the power.
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And it means that their, their
opinion is is valued because
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there's so much money in it.
You get us, you get an area
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where all of a sudden there's a
couple of outstanding schools,
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Every house is value can go up
10 grand.
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Could you see it on right move
or Zoopla?
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Outstanding school checker area.
Exactly.
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It it's this is, this is the
problem that we kind of
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perpetuate exactly what you're
saying.
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Like we fall into that trap of
thinking.
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It's important.
And I think what a lot of
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parents do, which I say all the
time, when I get parents ask me,
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my friends who aren't in
teaching, they'll say to me, oh,
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this school's outstanding, isn't
it?
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And I'll say on paper, sure.
But I know three people who work
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there and I wouldn't send my
child to this school.
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Or I might you might see a
school where she's good and I'd
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be like, send your child to that
school to teach.
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So Unreal support staff and
couldn't do enough for you, but
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Ofsted said they were good in
2014 and it's like, what's that
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got to do anything, the amount
of change that can happen.
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Ohh and and yeah, I mean I've
been to so many school.
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I mean I've travelled here,
there and everywhere.
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So I see it all the time.
There are some outstanding
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outstanding schools that you
couldn't pay me the world to
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teach in because it's toxic.
There's turnovers ridiculous.
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Whereas this other schools are
going where it's requires
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improvement or whatever and and
doing some amazing things for
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the kids, you know, it's just
that.
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Sort of.
That sort of league table
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comparing you know a funny one
was I was in a school just
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before Christmas and the the
part of a small Academy sort of
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group and there's only like 3
schools in the Academy in the
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local area and this school I was
at is the lead school so there
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RE teacher there has developed
this RE curriculum.
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Sort of.
Implemented it in her school.
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Implemented it in the two other
schools when they got ousted.
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It got pulled as a deep dive and
she was like pulled apart.
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It was pulled apart, it was not
good enough, blah blah blah.
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Yet the school down the road a
month later with a different
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inspection team.
What was the highlight of their
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report?
Yeah, yeah, alright, where's the
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consistency?
What?
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What?
The owners in the same trust.
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Same, same trust, same schema
work.
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But the original school who
rolled it out first, it's not
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good enough yet.
The school down the road, it's
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pretty.
I mean it's just.
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Me and Dylan had a chat recently
with with someone just kind of
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local school, who was Ofsted,
loads of our schools around here
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in Ofsted recently.
So yeah, everyone was like, oh,
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we're gonna be Ofsted.
And we were just chatting with
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someone who we knew from a
different school about their
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Ofsted experience and it was
really interesting.
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Because they were deep dived in
maths and if anyone is
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listening, we have some
listeners that aren't in the
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teaching world.
Ofsted will pick a couple of
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areas of your school and they're
really, really just literally
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dive deep into that area and
unpick it.
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So they had a deep dive in maths
and the guy said that the
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inspector that came didn't
really have any knowledge or
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experience in maths at all.
Would like to the point where
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they had no idea really what to
look for other than what was
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kind of on their script.
And he said he had, unless he if
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he wasn't confident, she would
have ripped them apart.
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On stuff that she had no idea
what she was talking about and
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he had to very much be like,
Nope, you're wrong because this.
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Yeah.
And you're looking at the wrong
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thing.
You're not.
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She was she was saying things
like, oh, you know, there's
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there's no evidence of problem
solving.
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And he was like, OK, you know,
we're looking at, so this is
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problem solving.
All of this that you're looking
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at right now, this is all
problem solving and This is why
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it's problem solving.
And he had to guide this
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inspector who was deep diving in
maths and didn't know anything
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about maths.
And he said it was a weird
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experience.
That's why I love being
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computing subject leader because
the likelihood of Ofsted
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choosing that as a deep dive
and.
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Even if they do they they
clueless mate.
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In fact, I know of 1 teacher who
sat there and did like a deep
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dive chat with and just made
stuff up.
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Just was like, I'm gonna see if
this inspector knows what
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they're talking about.
And so it's Ohh.
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Yeah.
In year five we do algorithmic
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dance sequences.
There's no such thing.
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Has made and and they're nodding
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah.
Sort of trying to type it up on
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the little tablet or whatever
they use now.
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Yeah, Couldn't turn the tablet
on, Didn't even have to do that.
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Never mind what I see dances.
But it is.
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I mean, I mean the thing with
the grading is is the parent
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side of things And and and I I
remember once I was away with my
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wife we've gone to York for the
weekend and we were sitting in a
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cafe and I could overhear this
couple and they only had like
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they had like a toddler and they
were talking about schools and
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they were sort of woman and
about which school they want to
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put the kid into.
And then they were talking about
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the Ofsted inspection.
My wife looking at me like don't
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lie, don't.
And I sort of leaned over and I
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said, listen, I'm a teacher.
If I was you, I'd take, I'd take
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it with a pinch of salt.
Nice.
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Go and go and see the school,
speak to the parents, get a feel
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for the school from the parents.
I mean it's like the the school,
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my kids, the secondary school,
my kids.
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Go to that.
How the dreadful Ofsted, which
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they tried to challenge but
couldn't end up carrying it on
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because you had to use your
school budget if you're going to
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take them to court or something.
But they've they've managed to
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not let that grade in impact the
reputation of the school and
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they're actually the most
oversubscribed they've ever been
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now.
And we were saying the other day
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how happy we were that we made
the decision to send them there
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because the kids absolutely
loving it, absolutely loving it.
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And yet they were pulled up over
some of you know.
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And I just think you gotta take
it all with a pinch of salt,
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because it is.
It's a flawed inconsistent
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system and the the biggest
problem there is not only is it
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detrimental to teachers like
you're saying in terms of the
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pressure of the one word
judgement, it's not even helpful
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like if it was helpful for
parents as well maybe maybe you
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could argue you know ohh well
yeah OK I know it's bad for
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teacher well-being but hey ho
where the government and we want
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to help the public because it's
public versus wherever you know
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it's it's not helpful for anyone
I don't think.
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Yeah, I mean the biggest lie in
education, I think.
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Is Ofsted's motto.
Ofsted's motto is Ofsted.
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Raising standards, improving
lives.
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Yeah.
And I think that's the biggest
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lie in education, because what
else to do is the check
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standards, right?
And I'm not against that.
429
00:20:00,350 --> 00:20:04,180
We need that.
Safeguarding, obviously is
430
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:06,180
incredibly important.
You need that level of
431
00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:08,520
accountability and and that sort
of thing.
432
00:20:08,530 --> 00:20:11,650
So, you know, but don't make it
out like you improve stuff like
433
00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:14,360
you're coming into a school,
you're you're inspecting and all
434
00:20:14,370 --> 00:20:16,690
of a sudden teachers are getting
better off the back of that
435
00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:18,170
inspection.
That's not the case.
436
00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:20,050
Cheques done.
So you know, if we're being
437
00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:23,170
honest, it'd be Ofsted.
Checking standards ruining
438
00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,920
lives?
Yeah, not even, not even always
439
00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:26,890
doing that.
Like I'd I'd argue that that
440
00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:29,450
that, you know the analogy I
gave earlier about the the lady
441
00:20:29,460 --> 00:20:31,710
coming in and inspecting about
maths and not knowing anything
442
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,330
about maths.
If that maths lead wasn't
443
00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:35,890
particularly confident, they
might have taken on that
444
00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:37,710
feedback and not challenged it
at all.
445
00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:40,720
And then gone and changed things
in their school because they
446
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:42,930
said, Oh no, they're not seeing
any problem solving.
447
00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:44,970
So we've got to do this now.
We have to do this now to make
448
00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:48,290
it visible and and done things
that didn't we've actually
449
00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:51,110
decreased.
Wanted to say what what's your
450
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:51,990
thoughts on this?
Right.
451
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,170
So I have a bit of a pet peeve
about how I feel like the
452
00:20:56,180 --> 00:21:00,210
inspection framework and a lot
of things in education is sort
453
00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:03,320
of geared towards secondary,
right.
454
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:07,710
So the current inspection
framework I think is creating a
455
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,070
lot more workload for primary
schools because they've gone
456
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,720
down this route of, you know,
subject specific deep dives and
457
00:21:14,730 --> 00:21:17,990
all this and you know which,
which is what secondary sort of
458
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,070
built for.
And I had this real annoyance
459
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,590
because obviously what I do when
I go into schools and I do
460
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,830
training, I very rarely do
anything with a secondary
461
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,210
school.
And I make it very clear that
462
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:31,150
I've never worked a day in
secondary in my life.
463
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,740
Now if a school wants to book me
in a second risk, I will go in.
464
00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:37,740
But it's very much like all I
know is the primary curriculum,
465
00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:40,050
how I use technology for that,
hopefully some of its
466
00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:42,260
transferable.
But look I'm not.
467
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:45,570
I'm not an, you know, when my
hat goes off to secondary
468
00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:47,860
schools, I don't know how some
of them do it.
469
00:21:47,910 --> 00:21:50,460
Teenagers intimidate me.
I can deal with the younger one,
470
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:51,980
you know.
And I'm sure there's lots of
471
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:53,350
secondary school teachers said
the same.
472
00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:56,280
But there's so many people who
do what I do, where they go into
473
00:21:56,290 --> 00:21:59,340
schools who have never worked
today in primary, yet they'll
474
00:21:59,350 --> 00:22:02,670
come in and do a full day's
training about summer, having
475
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,580
never dealt with younger.
You know what I mean?
476
00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:07,170
And I got that.
Why are you doing that when
477
00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:10,090
you've never what you know?
And I feel like when it comes to
478
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,180
developing inspection
frameworks, curriculums, all
479
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:16,980
that sort of stuff, they don't
value primary school teachers as
480
00:22:16,990 --> 00:22:19,860
a voice with these.
Do you ever feel like, like it
481
00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:23,780
says, you know, small schools,
for example, a small primary
482
00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:25,880
schools, the ones who are
getting absolutely shafted with
483
00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:27,640
this current inspection
framework?
484
00:22:27,650 --> 00:22:31,160
Because if you're a school with
like 150 kids and so that's
485
00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:35,480
what, I don't know, six members
of staff, how many curriculum
486
00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:37,740
subjects are they 11:50.
So the likelihood is you're
487
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:40,300
doing 2.
So that's workload if you get.
488
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:42,880
Inspection.
I think that is insane.
489
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:45,860
I think it's absolutely insane.
And I think the pressure that
490
00:22:45,870 --> 00:22:48,820
comes with it is completely
unreasonable and unacceptable,
491
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:51,460
especially when, and I think
this is just like a kick in the
492
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:53,220
teeth.
This really grinds me and it
493
00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:56,490
annoys me.
So much that only some subjects,
494
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:59,560
some subject leads come with
like actual pay.
495
00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:03,340
I heard that firstly it just
perpetuates this myth that some
496
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:05,320
subjects are really important
and others just aren't.
497
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:08,380
And secondly, it doesn't make a
difference to workload.
498
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:10,700
It doesn't value the workload.
We're saying ohh, you only get
499
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:12,320
paid because that subject is
important.
500
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:16,480
Your workload is irrelevant.
Like what's that the the the the
501
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:18,520
the person that's doing PE and
geography.
502
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,440
Now you don't get paid anything.
English lead yet here you go,
503
00:23:21,550 --> 00:23:24,050
Here's extra payment.
They did more work.
504
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,260
They got deep dived in well, but
English, yeah.
505
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:29,370
Really.
And you know it used it used to
506
00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:33,260
be you'd get a TLR for leading a
subject exactly, whereas now
507
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:35,050
you're just expected to lead a
subject.
508
00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,990
Yeah, you know what?
I'll do that.
509
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,400
They'll take the TLR off the
other two and say, well, it's
510
00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:41,480
fair now, no one gets paid.
It's like it's not what we
511
00:23:41,490 --> 00:23:42,610
meant.
That's not what we meant.
512
00:23:44,350 --> 00:23:46,200
It's all fair now.
It's equal, right?
513
00:23:46,210 --> 00:23:49,250
And we're like, Jesus, OK, this
is my worry if we accept the
514
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:51,760
offer.
And I'm not saying whether we do
515
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:55,900
or not, but whether it's the
right to do or not, but it's
516
00:23:55,910 --> 00:23:58,880
just, I just feel it's gonna
incentivise the government to
517
00:23:58,890 --> 00:24:01,800
say right, we've paged him more,
so you need to do more, you
518
00:24:01,810 --> 00:24:03,280
know.
That's what I'm worried about
519
00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:05,640
and I'm going to out myself as a
bit of a hypocrite now because I
520
00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:09,390
spent, I've spent the last two
months saying Rishi, come on,
521
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,920
it's been on the desk, the STR
report, it's been on the desk,
522
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:13,680
6.5%.
You need to fund it.
523
00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:14,990
You need to do this, You need to
do that.
524
00:24:15,050 --> 00:24:16,920
We can get into the debate of
whether it's funded or not.
525
00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:18,860
I still don't really understand
how it's funded.
526
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:21,540
The most confusing thing.
Yeah, I.
527
00:24:21,550 --> 00:24:24,980
Can't set it for every person
who said yeah it is funded,
528
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:27,060
someone's going but it but it's
not it's.
529
00:24:27,070 --> 00:24:30,500
Not and that that's vital right
As as his teacher that's why we
530
00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:34,260
outright denied the 4.5%.
I think we care more about the
531
00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,400
future of our schools.
I mean their own pay packet
532
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:38,320
which says something about the
kind of people we are.
533
00:24:38,370 --> 00:24:40,940
So yeah, you know the 6.5% call
we know it.
534
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:42,600
We know technically it's still a
pay cut.
535
00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:45,210
I'm willing to take that pay cut
against inflation.
536
00:24:45,220 --> 00:24:47,140
I think nearly every teacher in
the land is.
537
00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:50,140
But because I don't understand
how it's not fully funded now
538
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:52,870
and I've been saying you need to
offer the SRB and he's turned
539
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,380
around now and said OK.
And and I'm like, ohh, you've
540
00:24:55,390 --> 00:24:57,810
kind of done what I've said but
I still think I'm going to vote
541
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:59,600
to reject it for like four other
reasons.
542
00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:02,730
I I don't, I don't know it's
it's it's a tough one and I do
543
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:05,050
understand, Hayden called me out
basically and said haven't you
544
00:25:05,060 --> 00:25:06,540
been asking him to do what he's
just done?
545
00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:09,040
And I'm like, yes, but now I've
read it, I still don't like it
546
00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,310
because I just, I worry that
those small schools are going to
547
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,810
be swallowed.
Swallowed up.
548
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:15,400
Yeah, yeah.
And and the the sort of feeling
549
00:25:15,410 --> 00:25:19,000
I'm getting from talking about
is IT support staff who are
550
00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:23,800
actually really sort of worried
about if it's not fully funded
551
00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:26,620
it'll be them on the on the
chopping block.
552
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:29,730
You know what I mean?
And and and the fact that they
553
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:34,730
don't get valued anywhere near
enough is just so it's so wrong
554
00:25:34,740 --> 00:25:36,910
because they they are the
backbone of every.
555
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,720
Teachers aren't school teachers.
Yeah, you know, we talked about
556
00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:41,330
this on the podcast.
It shouldn't be teaching
557
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,410
assistants, it should be
assistant teachers.
558
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,850
Small change, I've heard you say
before.
559
00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:47,200
Small change.
But it makes a difference,
560
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:50,030
doesn't it?
Because they are in the first
561
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,950
one, they're assistance in the
second one They're teachers,
562
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,030
which they are to denote some
tetas.
563
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,940
I remember in my old school
there was at a a wonderful
564
00:25:57,950 --> 00:26:00,030
woman, like one of my favourite
people ever.
565
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,690
Just couldn't do enough for
anyone that basically been a
566
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,750
teacher for 30 years but never
actually been a.
567
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:07,900
Teacher and got a teacher's wage
for it and she would teach more
568
00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:10,700
than me in my NQT year because
she was basically booked out for
569
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:13,820
cover for all 10 slots, all
mornings, all afternoons, all
570
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:16,180
week.
And she would teach more than
571
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:17,900
me.
And I would leave the room for
572
00:26:17,910 --> 00:26:20,030
my NQT time and be like, Oh
yeah, you're right.
573
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,620
And I'd walk out, you know, with
my higher pay packet with with
574
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:25,870
my title as teacher.
She'd go in just this lovely
575
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,790
one.
They couldn't care less.
576
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,720
Just like ohh yeah, gonna do
some art with the kids.
577
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:31,400
And it just felt so wrong.
And I remember in that moment
578
00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:33,140
just thinking now she's a
teacher.
579
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:35,080
She is a more experienced
teacher than me.
580
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,140
Well I have the exact same type
of TA.
581
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:41,390
When I wouldn't have got through
my QT had it not been for my TA,
582
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,240
she carried me, carried me.
Yep.
583
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,240
So the art, the worth awaiting
gold honestly and and you know
584
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:52,200
that's what that's what my worry
is, is if you know on paper it
585
00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:55,780
might be like ohh, you've made
you know provisions for a 3.5%
586
00:26:55,790 --> 00:26:57,820
pay rise.
But the reality is I don't think
587
00:26:57,830 --> 00:27:01,900
many schools have and are
already in a deficit before the
588
00:27:01,910 --> 00:27:05,960
next budget comes in.
So you know it's it's worrying.
589
00:27:06,170 --> 00:27:08,620
It is.
And even the kids miss out on
590
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:11,050
something that's vital or we
lose our support staff.
591
00:27:11,060 --> 00:27:13,420
And it's like neither of those
options are something I'm very
592
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:14,880
comfortable with at all.
No.
593
00:27:14,930 --> 00:27:16,620
No.
We've turned this into a
594
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:18,720
political one again, and we're
Dylan well.
595
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,450
I was saying it's no, no, no,
no.
596
00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:24,130
I do.
I do listen to these podcasts
597
00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:26,300
and I'm like, this is what I'm
really looking forward to, cause
598
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:28,330
I'm very political.
Hayden's like, he's political.
599
00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,030
Like he agrees with a lot of
stuff and he feels strongly
600
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,610
about it.
But it's usually me sat here
601
00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:34,990
going, Hayden, this is bad.
Have you always, have you always
602
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,690
been that way or was there
something that sort of triggered
603
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,840
it?
For me, it was basically so if
604
00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:44,170
you if you think I'm 29, OK,
right.
605
00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:47,310
So my, my when I first got into
politics, it was when David
606
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,070
Cameron was coming in and I
remember being in school.
607
00:27:50,170 --> 00:27:54,300
Before I knew much about
politics, I 100% saw David
608
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:57,160
Cameron and I thought ohh kind
of sleep guy in a suit that he's
609
00:27:57,170 --> 00:27:59,600
quite well, he he presents
himself quite well.
610
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,040
I didn't have any idea about
politics.
611
00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:03,400
I just thought he looks like a
Prime Minister, that's cool.
612
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:05,960
But I couldn't vote in that 2010
election because I was 17,
613
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:07,760
right.
And so I kind of that kind of
614
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:09,550
peaked my interest in it was
like, I'm interested, but I've
615
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,520
come, I've come from a very,
very working class background,
616
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:15,110
no money at all and like
remotely.
617
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:18,580
So then I kind of looked into it
a bit more and I was like, this
618
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:21,890
guy doesn't represent me.
And then austerity.
619
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:24,700
So you like the context of my
entire adult life has been
620
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:28,710
austerity.
I work in a school since 2015
621
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:31,710
and I've seen the impact of
austerity and every single year
622
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,070
that goes by I I have been
pushed more and more and more
623
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,780
against these guys and I think
the government have been pushed
624
00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:39,080
more and more and more to the
right.
625
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:41,770
So like the difference gap
between me and what I see
626
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:45,070
happening.
And for me, I just care about
627
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,230
people.
That's why I'm a teacher.
628
00:28:46,290 --> 00:28:49,650
I love helping children, I love
helping other people in general
629
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,790
and.
Yeah, I've never been more like,
630
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,170
passionate about talking out.
And This is why I really
631
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:56,920
appreciate what you do.
And we'll get on to this in a
632
00:28:56,930 --> 00:29:00,610
second, actually, is what you do
in the media.
633
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:04,150
As a teacher, I I just couldn't
applaud enough because it's
634
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800
exactly the kind of thing I want
to hear on the television as
635
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:09,240
someone who's so disillusioned.
And when someone says there's
636
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:12,010
nothing that annoys me more than
when a politician says it's what
637
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:14,610
the people want and it's like,
sorry, I'm the people and I
638
00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:16,690
don't want this.
I know lots of people who are
639
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:18,430
also the people who don't want
this.
640
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:21,150
So, yeah, I mean maybe we could,
we could chat a bit about, you
641
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,660
know, obviously.
Everyone listening right now
642
00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:25,430
Knowsley, that you, you've, you
know grown a following.
643
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,930
Yeah, just before we do move on.
You know when it was for me?
644
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:29,570
Do you know the point where I
got really?
645
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,150
I need to know, of course the
politic was post 2012 Olympics,
646
00:29:34,420 --> 00:29:36,500
right?
So even when I became a teacher,
647
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:40,250
was never interested in politics
growing up, starting teaching,
648
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:43,510
and I'd say for the first.
So by 2012, I've been teaching
649
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,850
about five years.
And don't get me wrong, the job
650
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:46,790
was hard.
It was never.
651
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,480
It's never been an easy job but
it was manageable and the amount
652
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:53,800
of money that was going into
school sport in the build up to
653
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:58,560
to 2012 like we my, my school
were winning awards for the
654
00:29:58,570 --> 00:30:01,540
amount of PPE we were doing
because we had the money.
655
00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:04,210
You had the budget you could
take like we used to make sure
656
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:07,820
that every child was doing.
I think it was like 3 or 4 hours
657
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:11,300
of sport a week including your
PE or it might have been five
658
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,450
hours actually.
I think that was a target and
659
00:30:13,460 --> 00:30:17,040
then every school would leave
primary, having represented the
660
00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:20,380
school in in a in a every child
story would represent the school
661
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:22,990
in a competition.
That's what we prided ourselves
662
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,980
on on.
And it was just so the the
663
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,530
impact that had on on
everything, the health, the sort
664
00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:32,770
of well-being side of it.
You know, I think sport as a
665
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:35,530
parent is one of the most
important things you can get
666
00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:37,850
your kids into no matter what
the sport is.
667
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:42,750
The lessons you learn from sport
really help you in whatever you
668
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,990
choose to do in life.
I'm a firm believer in that.
669
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,110
And then the 2012 Olympics came
along, which was incredibly
670
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,030
successful and was just this
massive moment as a country
671
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,530
where we sort of one of the
proudest moments as a Brit
672
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,330
because it's all been downhill
since.
673
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,780
And then literally within weeks
the government went right we're
674
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:02,830
cutting all the school sports
partnership funding and I'm
675
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,430
going what like you've literally
just had this celebration where
676
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,600
we've done the best we've ever
done.
677
00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:11,170
You know one of the best
Olympics we've ever had because
678
00:31:11,180 --> 00:31:13,810
that investment's been there.
And because people from a
679
00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:16,120
certain background were given
these opportunities that they'd
680
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:18,390
never have had and found these
talents and develop them and
681
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,170
gone on and won these goals and
on.
682
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:23,030
And then you just going to cut
it up and and to see because
683
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,990
it's now, it's now you're seeing
the impact 10 years on when all
684
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,230
of a sudden we're not doing as
well in the Olympics.
685
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:31,840
You've got obesity levels
through the roof all these sort
686
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:33,970
of things and it's that knock on
effect.
687
00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:36,410
And that was the first point
where I thought, this isn't
688
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:37,350
going to go well.
This is it.
689
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,690
Like these people in charge,
they're not gonna do.
690
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:41,370
Yeah.
Yeah.
691
00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:44,250
And and and it's just been and
this is probably why I'm so
692
00:31:44,610 --> 00:31:49,480
outspoken and negative And about
the government because those
693
00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:53,100
first five years of my teaching,
I always say like the golden
694
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:55,060
years.
Since then it's just been a
695
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:59,500
steady decline in every aspect.
Like nothing's got better.
696
00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:03,000
I I would argue that since 2010,
when these got the governments
697
00:32:03,010 --> 00:32:05,720
come in, they've not done a
single thing that's made
698
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:09,320
anything better for teachers or
schools or education.
699
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:12,090
I'm sure some people probably
disagree, but.
700
00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,820
I say this to my friends all the
time who aren't in the teaching
701
00:32:14,830 --> 00:32:19,090
world and my my running joke
that just kind of a silly
702
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:22,110
analogy of this I guess is that
yeah, there's a reason the
703
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,610
schools look exactly there's
exactly the same as they did in
704
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:26,950
the year 2000 or when we were
leaving primary schools because
705
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,370
nothing has gone into them since
then.
706
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:30,050
We're still using the same bean
bags.
707
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:32,790
We're still using the same
everything like that.
708
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,170
Nothing gets put into it and and
talk about think about politics.
709
00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:37,720
It's hard to avoid, isn't it?
Because I was.
710
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:40,320
I'm probably more similar to
you, Lee, rather than Dylan like
711
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:41,920
he was.
People aren't really into it,
712
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:45,130
whereas my mother have a bit
more of a slow approach and
713
00:32:45,140 --> 00:32:46,310
again started teaching.
I was.
714
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,430
I didn't really know much about
politics, but you just can't
715
00:32:49,540 --> 00:32:52,920
avoid it when everyone has that,
that that moment and that for
716
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,250
you was after the Olympics where
you realised that absolutely
717
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:58,750
nothing they're doing is for the
good of the people.
718
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,560
It's only how they look in that
moment and when the Olympics
719
00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:04,790
were over and it was no longer
beneficial to look like they
720
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,290
cared about primary, like sport
in school.
721
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,110
Bye.
Done.
722
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,870
Onto new things.
Yeah, yeah.
723
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:12,170
And.
And now they've come out and
724
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,630
they've released something else.
Now going, yeah, we're gonna
725
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,330
invest more money in school
sports.
726
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:22,720
And Jillian was saying how you
know, she wasn't, she wasn't
727
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:24,770
allowed to do football when she
was at school.
728
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:28,040
And so she wants girls got and
you go in, well, you know, this
729
00:33:28,050 --> 00:33:30,200
football, this girls football
team we've had for the past six
730
00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:31,790
years.
When I tell them they're not
731
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,840
that they've not been allowed to
play football, you know, it's
732
00:33:33,850 --> 00:33:36,460
ridiculous.
It's it's it's all it's doing.
733
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:37,940
I'm very quickly because we move
on.
734
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:40,140
We could go on forever.
I just feel like everything they
735
00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:41,870
do is a dog whistle to their
support base.
736
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,180
Like it's a dog whistle to the
to the Daily Mail to pick up
737
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:46,320
story.
It's a dog whistle to what they
738
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:48,840
want people to hear because
people don't work in a primary
739
00:33:48,850 --> 00:33:52,540
school and if you're 4050 and
your last experience of primary
740
00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:54,140
schools when you were in primary
school.
741
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:56,570
Gillian Keegan saying girls
weren't allowed to play
742
00:33:56,580 --> 00:33:58,170
football, and I'm going to make
sure they are.
743
00:33:58,180 --> 00:34:00,460
That sounds good to them because
when they were in school in
744
00:34:00,470 --> 00:34:02,320
their 80s, girls didn't play
football as much.
745
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:04,660
That's just the fact.
So they don't care about what's
746
00:34:04,670 --> 00:34:07,330
true or what's helpful.
They care about what's going to
747
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:10,250
minimise damage against them or
maximise publicity for the
748
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:11,870
people they want to get to vote
for them.
749
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,130
And it just winds me up because
nothing ever comes from a place
750
00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:18,030
of what's best for our kids,
what's best for the well-being
751
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,929
of the teachers who raise our
kids in school.
752
00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:22,210
You know, I say raise kids.
We do, you know, we, I feel like
753
00:34:22,219 --> 00:34:24,550
we do contribute to raising
society.
754
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,150
You know, it's it's important as
that.
755
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,210
But we're just constantly, But
I'll cope because there's two
756
00:34:29,219 --> 00:34:30,449
options.
They can either give us more
757
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:34,130
money to do stuff or they can
like to have things, you know,
758
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:36,460
like we're going to talk about
technology and things like that.
759
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:39,340
Or they can keep the money the
same and our staff to do more.
760
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:40,699
It's like we haven't got the
money.
761
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:42,239
So you're gonna have to actually
do that after school club
762
00:34:42,250 --> 00:34:44,540
because we want to help parents
with, with daycare, with
763
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:46,210
childcare.
So can you do an after school
764
00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:47,830
club everyday and do we get
paid?
765
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:49,920
No, no, it's just a TS8 teacher
standard 8.
766
00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:51,020
It's fine, you can just do
extra.
767
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:54,000
It's like, no, because I'm at
the point now where not only are
768
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:56,500
we striking, I think teachers
need to be.
769
00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:59,220
Do a bit more to say no to these
things as well.
770
00:34:59,230 --> 00:35:01,710
Yeah, as a as a as a front,
because we can't strike forever,
771
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,110
but we can say no to these
things.
772
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,450
Yeah.
And we were having a
773
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:07,210
conversation in our school
actually recently where, you
774
00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:12,370
know, back when I was full time,
most evenings, at least four
775
00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:17,010
nights of the week, we would be
doing some sort of after school
776
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,750
club sporting event, like 4
nights a week we'd be doing
777
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,370
something.
And we were talking about
778
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:24,060
there's no way in a million
years you could do that.
779
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:27,990
Now there is no way in a million
years you could do that with the
780
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,410
workload that's expected of
teachers on top.
781
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,230
But then there was a sort of
compromise oral.
782
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,540
If you are doing that, don't
worry so much about it.
783
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:37,510
Whereas now it's like, no, you
still need to do all of you
784
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,930
still need to do all of that.
And that's where we were at
785
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:42,470
rugby the other week and they
were talking.
786
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,430
Some of the parents were talking
about how the school just
787
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,650
doesn't do any sort of sports
and rugby.
788
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:50,010
And I'm like, well, because
teachers don't have the time or
789
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:52,950
there's no incentive for the.
The only the only way schools
790
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,120
are still really good at sport
is if a teacher's got a passion
791
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,310
that they're willing to give up
their time for.
792
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,990
If you've not got that in a
school, why would any teacher do
793
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,790
it?
You know, there's no other
794
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,700
incentive.
We used to talk about we.
795
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:09,060
I think we talked about it last
week, had another week before.
796
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:12,700
I worried that's what's going
missing in schools now is, you
797
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:14,000
know, teachers going that extra
mile.
798
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:17,420
Because when I was in school, I
remember so vividly all of those
799
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:19,300
sporting events and those extra
curricular things.
800
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:21,740
And that Saturday morning trip
that we did, or we went to a
801
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:24,650
secondary school after school
and we did some DT in there, you
802
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:26,740
know, their DT lab, which we
didn't have in our school, or we
803
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:29,590
went swimming in another school.
All of that happened outside of
804
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,870
curriculum time.
And and I really worry now
805
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
because the thing that's being
squeezed the most here is
806
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:37,360
teachers used to have.
Very middle class income, very
807
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:39,300
wealthy.
But like in terms of relative to
808
00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:42,320
housing, relative to food prices
and things, where actually I
809
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:44,980
think at the weekend I would
say, you know what, I'm paid
810
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:46,910
quite well.
I, I, I enjoy teaching these
811
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,870
kids.
I'm going to give them some
812
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,760
extra curricular stuff on my
Saturday morning.
813
00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:52,220
Yeah.
Now, now my only thought is, and
814
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:54,940
I don't care if this sounds
selfish because it's a fact of
815
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:58,560
the times we're living in, I
think to myself, there's a kid
816
00:36:58,570 --> 00:37:00,420
who wants me to go and tutor him
for a couple of hours.
817
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:02,500
I mean, I'm going to go and do
that and get my weekly food,
818
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:06,340
shopping, money rather than the
thing that I would love to.
819
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:08,930
Do, but I just don't want to do
it because in the week I'm
820
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:11,120
already doing too much.
Yeah, yeah.
821
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,570
It winds me up anyway, Hayden.
So we get Hayden.
822
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:15,800
You can take us off politics,
right?
823
00:37:15,810 --> 00:37:17,050
We'll be.
We'll be here forever.
824
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,290
Lee, let's let's let's dive into
the past a little bit because
825
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,150
you mentioned earlier that
you've been teaching a bit
826
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,620
longer than us.
And obviously now you know,
827
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:28,230
you've, you've got your own
brand, essentially ICT with Mr P
828
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,580
you're very well known as a ICT
with Mr P Yeah, I just kind of
829
00:37:31,590 --> 00:37:33,420
want to know a little bit about
your story, really.
830
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:35,700
Like where, where did that
start, you know, from the
831
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:40,060
beginning of your career to now?
How did ICT with Mr P get born?
832
00:37:40,070 --> 00:37:41,180
Like where?
What happened?
833
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:42,280
Yeah.
So.
834
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:45,860
So yeah, I am.
I am part of the old guard now,
835
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:48,860
I think at my school and the
longest serving member of staff
836
00:37:48,930 --> 00:37:51,940
bar assault.
And that was made apparent at
837
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:54,980
our end of year do last week.
We sat there and one of the
838
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:57,830
teachers was doing the playlist
because again, if you if you
839
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,890
know how to work an iPad you get
given the DJ set at your end of
840
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:07,080
year do and one of the teachers
had requested pulp right as you
841
00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:11,330
do.
And this younger teacher, he sat
842
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:13,070
next to me like who's this?
I might pull up.
843
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,690
It's like who's pulp?
I'm like, you know Jarvis
844
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,080
Cocker.
Do you remember when he got his
845
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:19,440
arse out in front of Michael
Jackson at the Brits and she's
846
00:38:19,450 --> 00:38:21,290
like, no said look on it at
that.
847
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,130
What year was it?
What year was it 96?
848
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:24,850
And she went.
I was born in 97.
849
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:27,810
Ohh God.
Well, this is, this is where I
850
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:30,390
revealed to you, Lee, that I
spent that whole conversation
851
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,330
saying, I don't know what he's
talking about because I was born
852
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:34,240
in 90.
Three.
853
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,420
Yeah.
Yeah, So, yeah.
854
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:39,620
And then I never wanted to be a
teacher, to be honest, uh, funny
855
00:38:39,630 --> 00:38:41,260
enough, growing up Or wanted to
be an actor.
856
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:43,010
I was.
I was quite into acting when I
857
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:46,120
was younger and then applied to
get on a few uni courses for
858
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:48,590
acting.
Didn't add to the audition and
859
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,970
stuff never got picked up and it
was.
860
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,730
It was purely the fact that my
girlfriend at the time, my my
861
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:57,730
childhood sweetheart as they
say, the high school sweetheart,
862
00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:02,700
she she was doing teaching at
Chester Uni and I was like ah
863
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:05,710
yeah, I'll give that a go.
And so I applied and got on the
864
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:11,080
course at Manchester Met and
yeah, I did a four year BA in
865
00:39:11,090 --> 00:39:15,490
primary education and I'm not
gonna lie, I I was far too young
866
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:17,700
to do that.
Like my uni expert, I just went
867
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:21,570
full Gunco uni and it's not
quite the course to do it when
868
00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:24,810
you're expected to be on like a
ten week placement and you're on
869
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:27,140
a Wednesday night booze up with
the rugby.
870
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:30,200
You know, it was, it was yeah, I
didn't help myself in some
871
00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:33,280
respects.
Came very close to quitting the
872
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:36,220
course in my third year because
of an absolutely dreadful
873
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:41,040
placement which was my first
experience of sort of toxic
874
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:45,920
schools.
And luckily had a mentor at uni
875
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:49,840
who sort of kept me in and she
came and saw the circumstances I
876
00:39:49,850 --> 00:39:52,580
was in in the schools.
I mean I won't go into it but it
877
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,890
was it was it was like a
Catholic school.
878
00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:57,680
They'd been this new head
teacher would come in after a
879
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,160
head teacher had been there for
like 25 years wanting to stamp
880
00:40:00,170 --> 00:40:03,620
their authority and everything.
I had the worst deputy head
881
00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:07,320
mentor I've ever met in my life
who within a week of me being at
882
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:10,130
the school basically said you
never pass in this placement.
883
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:13,260
There's no and you thinking it's
10 weeks give me a chance.
884
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:17,520
I had a really challenging.
Class really challenging class.
885
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:22,990
It was quite a a sort of rough
you know deprived area and it
886
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,940
was and they were quite dead
streetwise these kids but just
887
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:30,130
was so challenge, just really
challenging.
888
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:32,710
My class teacher was lovely but
it was a Catholic school.
889
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,810
She got pregnant halfway through
the through the placement.
890
00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:39,250
Nothing to do with me.
But she was she got, she got
891
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:41,930
pregnant and wasn't married.
Right.
892
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:45,350
And so had to then.
And this was a few years ago.
893
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:47,590
Yeah.
So then had to confront the
894
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,330
priest and there was all.
And so I just got sort of left
895
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:53,650
aside and it was it was a yeah.
That's that's a mess.
896
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Mess, yeah.
And luckily my uni mental,
897
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,590
mental mental said look just get
through this placement we'll get
898
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,850
you another school and and yeah
as I stayed in and then managed
899
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:10,310
to get a job at the school I'm
still at now and and absolutely
900
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,550
love the school.
It's it's an amazing school
901
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,790
amazing stuff amazing kids and
yeah I got married, had had the
902
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,660
triplets so I've got a 12 year
old triplets.
903
00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:25,920
So when they came along, things
changed a lot for me and it was
904
00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:27,280
quite funny.
I look back on it now.
905
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:31,270
So at the time my head teacher,
so I we had them in the April
906
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:36,100
and then I did a year full time
in class as like class teacher.
907
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:38,540
And at the end of that year my
head teacher was like luckily I
908
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:41,160
know you're going to be looking
at going into sort of management
909
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:44,460
and deputy headship.
So what I think is going to be
910
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:48,080
best for you is if we bring you
out of class and you can get
911
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:51,500
experience teaching right across
the school, developing your
912
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:54,490
subject area.
And then you've got that.
913
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:56,860
So that when you apply, you can
show that you've moved the
914
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:59,860
subjects across the school.
And now look back and think, I
915
00:41:59,870 --> 00:42:03,580
must have been that knackered
from having three, you know,
916
00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:06,980
three babies.
That was literally like a zombie
917
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:09,340
that he's gone cut him in class
all the time.
918
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:13,450
No, I mean, he's he's framed
that really well, isn't he?
919
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:15,320
He's framed as like a really big
compliment.
920
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:16,540
He's like, we gotta get laid
out.
921
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:18,450
What can we do?
Yeah he's he's just knackered
922
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,580
all the time.
He's he's he's not with it.
923
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:23,080
He's he's a zombie and and and
to be fair my head teachers
924
00:42:23,090 --> 00:42:24,380
always been great with like
that.
925
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:27,920
He's very fair in that if you
put the graft in he will always
926
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:30,470
be you know put be fair with you
as long as you're not taking the
927
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,050
Mick is is is great and you know
I'm very grateful because I
928
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:38,120
wouldn't be where I am without
him and and and the deputy is.
929
00:42:38,130 --> 00:42:39,780
He still your head now?
Is that the same guy?
930
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:43,120
Yeah he is, yeah.
So he's he's part time now and
931
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:46,350
then the deputy sort of part
time deputy, part time head.
932
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,460
And they've always been really
supportive and so accommodating.
933
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:52,690
Because I know had I been at
other schools, I would not have
934
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:55,850
had the opportunity to build
this while still being at
935
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:58,220
school.
Whereas he's very much take.
936
00:42:58,230 --> 00:43:00,330
He's always said to me, he's
always said because he's not
937
00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:02,070
into like social media or
anything like that.
938
00:43:02,190 --> 00:43:05,520
You know, he was like, listen,
Lee, just whatever you do, I
939
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:08,230
don't want you doing anything on
that face tube that's gonna
940
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,030
bring disrespect to the, you
know, bring bring the school
941
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,790
into disrepute.
And he's always said that.
942
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,890
He's like, look when you're here
at school you missed the
943
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,700
Parkinson.
Everything you do outside is Mr
944
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:21,390
P and as long as that doesn't
you know crossover in a negative
945
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,970
way you know and and he sort of
sees the opportunities as well
946
00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:29,080
that you know companies will say
to me, are we alright if we come
947
00:43:29,090 --> 00:43:31,420
and do a date your school and
then if you post about and I'm
948
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:34,620
like yeah and then so the school
benefits from that as well.
949
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:36,450
You know it sort of works both
ways.
950
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:40,320
So anyway so when he said that I
was like right so ICT was my
951
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:44,280
subject area.
We had this old ICT suite with
952
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:47,860
like Windows bloody 95 in there.
It was awful.
953
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:53,110
And so is that right?
I want, I want some iPads had.
954
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,030
We'd had a training day with
Alan P and he demoed a couple of
955
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,550
things on an iPad and I was just
like, this is incredible, this
956
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,610
is this is the future.
And I started researching a few
957
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:06,850
things and seeing the potential
to these devices.
958
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,750
So I was like, can I get a class
set and then I'll go and I'll do
959
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,700
my ICT through that around the
school because it's mobile.
960
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:15,090
And.
And anyway he agreed we got the
961
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:19,330
class set of iPads and yeah, so
I was then just sort of doing
962
00:44:19,340 --> 00:44:23,410
bits of of sort of that
transition from ICT to
963
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:26,080
computing.
So everyone was sort of to their
964
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:27,580
own devices of trying things
out.
965
00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:31,340
And I really focused on using
this technology to sort of
966
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:34,500
support across the rest of the
curriculum because I could see
967
00:44:34,510 --> 00:44:36,540
how it can help in lots of
different ways.
968
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:40,540
And and I now started just
blogging some of the things
969
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:42,400
because I couldn't stick
everything we were doing on the
970
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:44,180
iPads.
I couldn't stick in a book.
971
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:46,230
Right.
And so it's like, well, how do
972
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,400
we evidence what we're doing and
how do we showcase all this?
973
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:52,520
And so we started the school
blog and what I would do on the
974
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:56,890
school blog is I'd post the work
kids work on the school blog and
975
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:00,200
then I'd start my own teacher
blog where I'd show the how to
976
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:01,550
that, you know, this is what
we've done.
977
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,850
This is how I did it.
And obviously started Twitter
978
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:07,500
with that as well.
And then Facebook followed after
979
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:11,650
that and then just sort of took
off from there really.
980
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:14,900
So I was getting loads of views
and engagement and all those
981
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:19,530
blog posts and then started
getting asked to to sort of do
982
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:24,450
some training and actually went
to a teach meet.
983
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,270
Like one of the first things I
ever did was I went to a teach
984
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,450
meet and I presented it a teach
me and that went really well.
985
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:34,450
And next minute Alan, Pete got
got got in contact with me and
986
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:37,170
he said look we've been, we've
been told about you.
987
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:39,550
We're looking at potentially
bringing someone on board who
988
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,000
can look at you know do some
sort of tech type training.
989
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,390
Do you mind if we come and watch
one of your sessions.
990
00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:46,950
And then he was like yeah, love
it.
991
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:50,770
Would you, would you want to.
And it was what I will always
992
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,320
love Alan.
For Alan and Julie's life is it
993
00:45:54,330 --> 00:45:57,250
would have been quite easy for
for them at that time to sort of
994
00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:01,080
say rightly we want you to work
for us and you will be working
995
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,380
under the umbrella of Alan Pete
Limited and but they never did
996
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:05,900
that.
What they said was like we want
997
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:09,060
you to work with us so if you
want to do this you can set your
998
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:10,480
own company up.
We will help.
999
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:13,180
We will guide you.
We will give you all the support
1000
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:17,220
you need and then we can work
together on certain projects.
1001
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:20,120
And I just think there's so many
people out there that would
1002
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:24,280
never have done, that would have
seen here's this eager young
1003
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:26,340
sort of teach you once this
opportunity, right.
1004
00:46:26,350 --> 00:46:27,860
We'll we'll, you know what I
mean?
1005
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:30,010
Like just take.
Advantage of that, Yeah.
1006
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:32,160
And they never did.
They never did.
1007
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:34,860
And I'm certainly grateful for
because we learned so much.
1008
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:39,680
And you know, my wife,
eventually she was a social
1009
00:46:39,690 --> 00:46:43,040
worker and obviously with the
three kids it was, it was tough.
1010
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:47,000
So she stopped that and started
doing all the admin side of the
1011
00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:51,310
business as that grew and yeah,
it sort of just progressed from
1012
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,230
there really.
So alongside all the useful tips
1013
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,810
and lessons and apps that were
sharing, I started doing this
1014
00:46:56,820 --> 00:47:00,030
sort of funny videos.
And that really sort of blew up.
1015
00:47:01,470 --> 00:47:03,820
And it's interesting because
I've been doing it for about,
1016
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:06,700
I'd say about a decade now,
about 10 years.
1017
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:08,940
And I was in a school last week
and this teacher came up and
1018
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:11,170
said, ohh, I love your videos.
I love everything.
1019
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:13,060
I mean, Pandemic was great for
you.
1020
00:47:13,070 --> 00:47:15,220
That's where you suddenly went
from nothing to this big.
1021
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:18,320
And I was like, no, no, I've
been doing it way, yeah, way
1022
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:21,450
long on it than the pandemic.
Yeah, eight years.
1023
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:24,880
Ago I started teaching and you
were and like I you for me, for
1024
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:26,130
my career, you've always been
there.
1025
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:28,110
Like I remember at the start of
my career being like, oh, this
1026
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,630
is he's funny like he hadn't
seen you on Facebook.
1027
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,230
I just Facebook.
Stuff he's funny and that that
1028
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,250
was like 8 years ago now.
So yeah, it makes sense.
1029
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,050
And and yeah, so it's just all
sort of evolved from there.
1030
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:43,450
And yeah, I absolutely love it.
It's it's it's hard work.
1031
00:47:43,460 --> 00:47:47,140
I think, you know back in those
early days when I was doing the
1032
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:50,330
blogging that was like proper.
I mean it is still graph now but
1033
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:54,460
I remember, you know, there
wasn't any sort of rewards from
1034
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:56,130
doing that.
It was just I'd do all my
1035
00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:59,230
schoolwork and I'd be sat there
bottle feeding the kids trying
1036
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,370
to write a blog post about what
I'd been doing.
1037
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,730
Wow.
And I was like, but this summit
1038
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:05,590
here with this this this this is
gonna be something that's gonna
1039
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,190
help lots of kids and lots of
teachers and and that's what
1040
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,000
sort of really motivated me.
And and and yeah, it seemed to
1041
00:48:12,010 --> 00:48:15,190
really resonate where you know
I'm now in a position where I'm,
1042
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,950
I'm, I'm travelling here, there
and everywhere.
1043
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,190
I'm getting to meet some
incredible teachers, work with
1044
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,810
some brilliant schools.
And you know, one one thing that
1045
00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:25,150
really put it all into
perspective for me was a teacher
1046
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,910
on a course once said to me like
you must love what you do.
1047
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,150
So yeah, I do, he said.
Because, you know, if you were
1048
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,080
just a classroom teacher all the
time, you'd only ever have an
1049
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:36,390
impact on 30 kids.
Whereas when you're doing this
1050
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,770
to 100 people, you're then
having an impact on, you know,
1051
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,840
3000 kids and and and when you.
Is that right?
1052
00:48:43,850 --> 00:48:47,180
Is that the right calculator?
A lot of children, yeah.
1053
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:49,530
A lot of you know, so it's good
when you put that into
1054
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:52,750
perspective.
It's quite a nice thing to know
1055
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,850
that these ideas and these
things have been able to help
1056
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,160
and support not just teachers,
but a lot of the children as
1057
00:49:00,170 --> 00:49:03,450
well.
Are there any downsides to it
1058
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:04,410
all?
Because it sounds like, you
1059
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:07,390
know, it's all very positive,
but are there any, like, really
1060
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:11,130
hard areas of what you are now,
what you've created for
1061
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:14,310
yourself?
The travelling's hard.
1062
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,770
The travelling's hard.
Now is where the pandemic really
1063
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:19,210
puts things into perspective for
me.
1064
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:24,010
So pre pandemic I would be on
the road 3-4 nights a week and
1065
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:27,010
you know, that's all I'd ever
known and it was, you know, that
1066
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:30,070
was the sacrifice we made and
and This is why, you know,
1067
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,870
people often ask me how did you
do it all, how do you fit it all
1068
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,290
in?
You know you you teacher you
1069
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:38,270
this that and the other and you
know the the the cliche of
1070
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,710
behind every great man is a
great woman and and my wife is
1071
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,010
just an absolute superhero.
Like I would not be able to do
1072
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,370
any of this without her being an
absolute rock with the with the
1073
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:52,120
kids and stuff.
So you know, and and I know I
1074
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:54,830
annoy you with it because I do
become obsessed and I get really
1075
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,200
into it and but she's never held
it against me.
1076
00:49:58,210 --> 00:50:00,410
So you get frustrated, you know,
rightly.
1077
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:02,640
It's 9:00, o'clock now stop,
stop working.
1078
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,370
But she understands that it's
something I'm really passionate
1079
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:09,700
about.
And you know, and again, I could
1080
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:12,730
be with 100 other people who
would just not stand for that
1081
00:50:12,740 --> 00:50:16,550
and it'd be like, but she, she
gets in, you know, and she's,
1082
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,890
she's absolutely incredible.
And the the fact she steps up to
1083
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:23,010
look after the kids and do
everything with them allows me
1084
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:25,690
to have that freedom to to be
here, there and everywhere.
1085
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,940
So obviously before the pandemic
that was all I ever known.
1086
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:31,070
I'd just be on the road and I'd
just be travelling here that's
1087
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,290
staying in hotels and just
eating crap out of services and
1088
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:37,200
all that.
And and then the pandemic hit,
1089
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:41,640
and I remember I was in a hotel
in Maidstone the night.
1090
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:43,030
There was near us.
There you go.
1091
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,850
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The night that Boris announced
1092
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:48,110
and I was due to have a
conference in London the next
1093
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,540
day.
And remember within an hour of
1094
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:55,010
that being announced six months
of work just completely went And
1095
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:59,310
and I had the longest and most
scary drive home where I'm
1096
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,750
thinking what what am I going to
do here where the whole business
1097
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,690
has has stopped And you know I
had a couple of weeks where it
1098
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:12,650
really did sort of worry me.
Luckily I had the website.
1099
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:16,120
So I'd had the website going for
a couple of I think I probably
1100
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:20,640
about a year where I'd started
doing sort of online tutorials
1101
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:23,100
for teachers who couldn't come
on training and you know if you
1102
00:51:23,110 --> 00:51:24,930
want to carry on the learning
journey off the back of my
1103
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:27,670
training, you could go on the
website endless tutorials.
1104
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,140
That's.
So again I channelled everything
1105
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:33,230
into developing that website.
Obviously loads of remote
1106
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,910
learning support on there and
that just about kept us going.
1107
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:40,990
But then what I realised was
being at home all the time was
1108
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,130
great.
I loved it and and I realised
1109
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:47,280
that actually these kids are
getting old really quick and you
1110
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:49,410
know, I'm getting to spend every
day with it.
1111
00:51:49,420 --> 00:51:51,150
Don't get me wrong, it was a
struggle doing the home
1112
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,330
learning.
But beyond that it was, it was
1113
00:51:53,340 --> 00:51:55,750
dream stuff.
And you know, we'd go on walks
1114
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,010
every day and we just sort of
find that there was all these
1115
00:51:58,020 --> 00:52:00,470
things in our little local,
little local area where we could
1116
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,760
walk down the canal and all this
sort of, you know, doing all
1117
00:52:02,770 --> 00:52:04,300
these bike rides.
And I was like I don't want to
1118
00:52:04,310 --> 00:52:09,190
go back on the road and you know
and and so since the pandemic
1119
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:13,090
obviously do still travel but I
don't do it anywhere near as
1120
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:16,330
much and I sort of give myself
at least a day at home a week
1121
00:52:16,340 --> 00:52:20,010
now, yeah, just to be there and
be present a bit more.
1122
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,790
So that that's been a a
downside.
1123
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,880
I think the other, the other
side of it is probably the
1124
00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:29,600
negativity that can come from
putting yourself out there on
1125
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:31,400
social media.
That's something I've struggled
1126
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:35,130
with a little bit.
You know, I I think I'm better
1127
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:36,470
now.
But it does.
1128
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,110
It does.
It does.
1129
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,530
I hate the fact we live in a
world where people think it's OK
1130
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,670
that if you're gonna put
yourself out there on social
1131
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,330
media for no other purpose than
just to try and raise a smile
1132
00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:48,380
and try and, you know, help and
support.
1133
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:51,130
And that's always, you know,
been my motivating factor is,
1134
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,910
you know, if I can make a video
and get a message from a teacher
1135
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,330
who says, look, I've had the
worst day at school, this
1136
00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,710
happens, this happened, came
home, sat down, stuck, you know,
1137
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,360
put Facebook on one of your
videos, popped up and it just
1138
00:53:03,370 --> 00:53:06,310
made me laugh and just made me
realise I'm not the only one
1139
00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:08,110
then that that's all I ever
want.
1140
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,530
But the way people, because he's
a term in education, I
1141
00:53:11,540 --> 00:53:13,970
absolutely detest and I hate it
more than anything.
1142
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:16,390
It's an edge you celeb, right?
Ohh yeah.
1143
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,890
And people throw that at me all
the time and I'm like, I'm not,
1144
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:23,370
yeah, I'm not an edge use celeb.
You know, I I can't stand that
1145
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:25,440
term because as soon as you put
the word celebrity with
1146
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:28,180
anything, it's like you're
putting someone on a pedestal
1147
00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:32,200
just to knock him down.
And I've I've, I've had it
1148
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:33,560
before.
It's like it sounds like it
1149
00:53:33,570 --> 00:53:36,470
would be nice but people use it
as a so there was a Facebook
1150
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,010
Group A while ago um that I was
actually a well no I wasn't a
1151
00:53:41,020 --> 00:53:43,560
part of but someone started
sending me screenshots and
1152
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:46,320
basically someone just gone in
there and just said something
1153
00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:49,060
negative about me said you know
just said ohh miss P this that
1154
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:51,710
and the other and it kicked off
this thread where all these
1155
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,350
teachers by the way who you know
should be setting an example I
1156
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,210
just going in on me like really
hammering me about things you're
1157
00:53:58,220 --> 00:54:00,400
not funny this that and the
other and people are saying me
1158
00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:02,830
screenshots.
So I got, I got in touch with
1159
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,930
the admin of this group and I
was like, look, I'm not, I don't
1160
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:08,170
understand where this is coming.
This is a group that's very
1161
00:54:08,180 --> 00:54:10,190
much, you know, all about
helping each other and
1162
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,770
supporting each other and being
there for future.
1163
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:14,370
Yeah, you're letting people just
slagged me off with no real
1164
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:16,360
reason.
And then I've just got blocked.
1165
00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:21,110
It's got blocked from this group
and I'm like so so that that's
1166
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,330
been hard to I mean I'm getting
better with it because it you
1167
00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:26,070
know you have to don't you
otherwise you.
1168
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,680
Can't.
I think it's.
1169
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:29,890
It's unavoidable, right?
Like it happens with anyone who
1170
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,990
gains a following.
There's always gonna be another
1171
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,050
people.
It's very cliche, but it's
1172
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:35,150
always gonna be haters.
They say that.
1173
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,910
Don't they always going to get
them?
1174
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,750
It is impossible to become.
But I've got to say, though,
1175
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,320
there are some people who.
About controversy and you expect
1176
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:47,600
that then, you know, the
political commentators might go
1177
00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:50,690
on and be like ohh say something
to like stoke someone up.
1178
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,270
You're you're posting a, you
know, renaissance meme.
1179
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:55,690
It's like, come on guys, it's
funny.
1180
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:56,770
Yeah.
And if you don't, if you don't
1181
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:58,700
find it funny for whatever
reason, just get on with your
1182
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:59,530
day.
Like why?
1183
00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:02,570
This is the thing for me, right?
I have.
1184
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:08,130
I scroll through social media
and see so much garbage and
1185
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:10,310
stuff that I just think that's
wrong.
1186
00:55:10,380 --> 00:55:12,410
That person doesn't know what
they're talking about.
1187
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:15,540
That and.
But I would never, ever dream of
1188
00:55:15,550 --> 00:55:17,880
going well.
I need to now tell you my
1189
00:55:17,890 --> 00:55:20,530
opinion on why I think this is,
you know, and some of the things
1190
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:22,380
you get.
I mean, it's almost laughable
1191
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:25,070
now, but it was like I made a
video in my back garden
1192
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,420
yesterday talking about and
people that you know, like when
1193
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:32,500
people leave all the staples in
a staple board, right?
1194
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:35,170
Like, who are these people?
Like imagine falling in love
1195
00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:37,560
with someone and I'm realising
they do that to a display.
1196
00:55:37,570 --> 00:55:41,340
But you know, and then the
comment was, I can't believe
1197
00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:43,600
you've got fake grass in your
garden.
1198
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:46,420
This can be so and you go in.
What?
1199
00:55:46,810 --> 00:55:50,780
Yeah, but nothing to do with it.
There's more to you know, and
1200
00:55:50,790 --> 00:55:53,570
and what I've come to realise is
the type of people who do leave
1201
00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:57,180
that sort of negativity, they're
just really not worth the time.
1202
00:55:57,190 --> 00:56:00,120
And and and I mean it is
annoying because you can't argue
1203
00:56:00,130 --> 00:56:02,280
back because as soon as you
engage with these people you
1204
00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:04,600
lose.
What I've come to realise is you
1205
00:56:04,610 --> 00:56:07,780
cannot win an argument on the
Internet no matter what, so
1206
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:09,330
there's just no point trying I
need.
1207
00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:12,650
I need to take something wisdom
cause I get sucked in far too
1208
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:13,770
easily to these.
Yeah yeah.
1209
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:15,730
I need to take a step back
because I think you're
1210
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:17,770
absolutely right.
It doesn't bring anything good.
1211
00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:18,630
Nothing comes from.
It.
1212
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:20,990
But even when it's an argument
worth having.
1213
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,890
Even when it's an argument worth
having.
1214
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,710
What are you talking like?
I'm sorry I made a meme about
1215
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,990
staples and a board?
It's like, cool.
1216
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,600
Like, you're definitely gonna
win that argument because
1217
00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:30,890
someone thinks that's worth an
argument.
1218
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:32,270
Then just crack on with your
day.
1219
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,120
You'll be pleased to know that
the other day, when I was when I
1220
00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:37,410
was messaging you lie about
coming on the podcast.
1221
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:40,960
I was on my sofa and my partner
was next to me and she started
1222
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:43,060
chuckling and she didn't know
what was doing.
1223
00:56:43,070 --> 00:56:45,110
This just complete coincidence.
I looked around and she was just
1224
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,970
watching what are your reels and
just laughing and I was like,
1225
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:49,230
typical.
I was like, yeah, I'm talking to
1226
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,550
you right now.
Thank you.
1227
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,110
Yeah, I tell you what as well,
just just on that note of your
1228
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,410
reels and stuff, there was
someone at school.
1229
00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:57,640
We were in school last week,
obviously.
1230
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:59,630
We said we're very excited to
have a chat with you, Lee.
1231
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,670
And we were saying, oh, you got,
you never guess who we've got
1232
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,000
coming on to have a chat.
And the reaction was like, you
1233
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:06,750
know, I know we don't like the
word celebrity.
1234
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,790
What?
How?
1235
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,860
And I was like, he's just, you
know, he's just a bloke.
1236
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:14,080
He's a lovely guy.
You know, I think sometimes you,
1237
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:16,460
whether you like it or not,
people will put you on that
1238
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:18,060
pedestal that you talked about
liking.
1239
00:57:18,110 --> 00:57:21,630
But what's so good is you come
across still so down to earth
1240
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,010
and the people really respect
you.
1241
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,640
And it kind of leads on to what
I wanted to talk about briefly
1242
00:57:25,650 --> 00:57:28,140
is, you know, you've you've now
started to make quite a few more
1243
00:57:28,210 --> 00:57:30,380
appearances in the media, like
on television.
1244
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:32,680
You know, almost like if they
want to book a teacher that
1245
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:34,440
you're you're kind of the guy to
go to at the minute.
1246
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:37,310
And it really interests me
because obviously a lot of your
1247
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,980
views are aligned with what we
think.
1248
00:57:39,050 --> 00:57:41,150
So when we see on the
television, we think ohh thank
1249
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,660
God someone's like really
standing up for teachers, for
1250
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:46,710
support staff, saying all the
right things against maybe like
1251
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:48,870
a government spokesperson or
someone who's not been in the
1252
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,750
school for 20 years.
Like we're really grateful to
1253
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,080
have you as that voice.
But I was just just wondering
1254
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:56,110
though.
Because I think I'd struggle
1255
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,800
with it, even though it's what I
think.
1256
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,830
Do you sometimes, when you're
going on these television shows
1257
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,000
like you go on to Lorraine or
something, who's lovely and you
1258
00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:04,830
have a really good chat?
Do you feel that pressure?
1259
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,130
Because all of a sudden it's not
just your opinion anymore?
1260
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:09,910
Because whether you like it or
not, if you're on national
1261
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,410
television representing
teachers, do you feel the need
1262
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,790
to represent all teachers?
Or do you still manage to kind
1263
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,870
of stick to your guns and go
with what you actually think?
1264
00:58:18,490 --> 00:58:20,320
Yeah.
Because I think I I've always,
1265
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:25,680
I've always thought that my view
is just very similar to every
1266
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:27,810
other, every other teacher at
the chalk face.
1267
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:30,040
Like I just think in the same
way.
1268
00:58:30,050 --> 00:58:34,030
And and again the amount of sort
of messages and comments I'll
1269
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,040
get sent on things sort of
reflect that and almost give me
1270
00:58:37,050 --> 00:58:40,440
the confidence to think actually
this is what most teachers
1271
00:58:40,530 --> 00:58:43,620
believe and and I mean there is
a bit of pressure with it.
1272
00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:46,360
I I do.
I do get very sort of nervous
1273
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:50,300
because I think you know it's
not the first time someone said
1274
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:54,530
you you sort of the voice of
teachers and and and and you
1275
00:58:54,540 --> 00:58:57,620
know I don't try and be
necessarily controversial with
1276
00:58:57,630 --> 00:59:00,760
what I say.
I just sort of state the obvious
1277
00:59:00,770 --> 00:59:05,050
almost and try and get it across
to people who aren't aware or
1278
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:08,210
have never worked in education.
This is the realistic picture.
1279
00:59:08,220 --> 00:59:11,760
It's not all you know, flower,
you know roses and you know
1280
00:59:11,770 --> 00:59:14,610
these parts of the job that are
absolutely incredible and make
1281
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:17,150
it the best job in the world.
But it is not perfect.
1282
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,150
And these are the reasons why.
And I think having that platform
1283
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,450
and having that support gives me
the belief, you know, you know,
1284
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,350
but also gives me different
perspectives to sort of draw
1285
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,710
upon what then forms my eye, you
know, forms the ideas that are
1286
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,180
then sort of share and talk
about, yeah, it's been good.
1287
00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:38,260
I do, I do enjoy it.
I do like it.
1288
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:40,500
It's been.
I mean the funniest one was the
1289
00:59:40,510 --> 00:59:45,390
other week I got I did a course
in Bury it was before the the
1290
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,690
last strike they on the
Wednesday.
1291
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:50,030
There was a strike on the
Wednesday on the Friday and a
1292
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,600
producer from Good Morning
Britain came to the hotel once
1293
00:59:52,610 --> 00:59:55,610
I'd finished and she was like,
look we were wondering if we can
1294
00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:58,290
interview you for about the
strikes now stood there for what
1295
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:02,250
must have been about 20 minutes
just going on going on going on
1296
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:04,570
like like I do and in turn
right.
1297
01:00:04,580 --> 01:00:07,550
That's brilliant right.
All I need now is I just need a
1298
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:13,190
shot of you walking past the
camera and I went OK and then it
1299
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,340
was almost as if my brain.
And you don't know how to walk.
1300
01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:22,300
You do not know how honest my
hands it was just so weird.
1301
01:00:22,310 --> 01:00:24,670
So I can stand there and I can
talk to you all day.
1302
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:27,750
Well, get me to do anything.
It was just it must have talked
1303
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,480
about 7:00 or 8 takes because
she's like, no, you're going too
1304
01:00:30,490 --> 01:00:31,740
slow.
No, get your hands out of your
1305
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:33,070
pockets.
No, don't cross your arms.
1306
01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:34,820
Are you walking?
Like that's not your natural
1307
01:00:34,830 --> 01:00:36,660
walk.
And honestly, it took forever.
1308
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:39,510
Isn't it?
That's, that's the thing.
1309
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,240
I think.
I think everyone can relate to
1310
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:43,490
the point where this needs to be
our poll for the week, right?
1311
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,860
Can you walk when when you're
aware that you're walking?
1312
01:00:45,870 --> 01:00:49,010
Because we had our graduation
year sixes, right, last last
1313
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,990
week and I just, I kept them
chuckling because I was at the
1314
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,100
front like giving out stuff for
the graduation.
1315
01:00:55,110 --> 01:00:57,670
And we have it so they all walk
down the centre of this lovely
1316
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,920
church.
It's really nice.
1317
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,910
And but yeah, just seeing them
have that first experience that
1318
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,250
we've all experienced where they
had to suddenly walk and there's
1319
01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:07,490
a massive crowd and they're
doing like for a solid 10
1320
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:09,190
seconds and their hands are just
like.
1321
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,790
Yeah, I've forgotten how they're
like 4 headings through like I I
1322
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,230
don't know how to do this
anymore.
1323
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:16,930
I've seen, by the way, I've seen
the video that Lee is
1324
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:20,200
referencing.
Ohh, once you did your thing
1325
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:23,310
before, when you see the video,
it's just like wooden man.
1326
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,930
Hello.
Yeah I teach.
1327
01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:28,730
I'm here to talk about teaching.
And it was, yeah, it was, yeah,
1328
01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:30,470
it was funny.
But no, I do.
1329
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,360
I do enjoy it.
And it's nice to be in that
1330
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:37,180
position, to hopefully be the
voice for teachers, because we
1331
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:41,190
certainly need it at the minute.
So yeah, if it can help, you
1332
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,770
know, love it.
No, it really does.
1333
01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:47,630
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
OK, one thing whilst you're
1334
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,090
here, Lee, we've got to talk
about before you go, because I
1335
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,400
know you've given us a lot of
your time.
1336
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:54,970
We're very, very grateful.
But just in general, obviously
1337
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:57,770
teammate AI, big thing in the
past few weeks, especially due
1338
01:01:57,780 --> 01:02:00,430
to reports, we did a little, we
did a podcast on it.
1339
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,310
I know that you shared it with
your followers, really, really
1340
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,470
grateful for that.
And it was just this whole idea
1341
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,740
of kind of trying to break down
the barriers of AI and how it
1342
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:09,920
can help teacher with the
workload.
1343
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:11,970
Because we're not going to get
the pay rise we need.
1344
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,710
Well, why not take advantage of
some tools, whether it's AI or
1345
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,970
whatever it is, to reduce that
workload for very low cost or
1346
01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:20,860
free in in most cases.
So just in general, I know
1347
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:24,770
you're really passionate about
this, but how can you see AI
1348
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:27,250
helping us in the future in
terms of teaching?
1349
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:33,320
My main got my main focus of all
this AI that's that's come about
1350
01:02:33,330 --> 01:02:35,740
as purely been the workload side
of things.
1351
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:38,700
Now, you know at primary school
I don't think necessarily
1352
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:42,180
children need access to these
sort of language based AI models
1353
01:02:42,190 --> 01:02:46,580
and I'm I'm not 100% sure of how
far we allow students further up
1354
01:02:46,590 --> 01:02:49,240
school to access it.
That's just not really been of
1355
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:54,400
my concern really since these
tools have come about I've just
1356
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:57,200
become obsessed with how it can
help us.
1357
01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:59,740
Do you know we talked about
before didn't we so much of our
1358
01:02:59,750 --> 01:03:02,710
work all the time he spent on
stuff that's not having an
1359
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,560
impact.
That sort of stuff can be
1360
01:03:04,570 --> 01:03:09,450
replaced by or get get a helping
hand with Dai stuff.
1361
01:03:09,540 --> 01:03:13,020
And so obviously I've been, I've
been experimenting and playing
1362
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:16,540
around with that GPT from the
moment it launched I was talking
1363
01:03:16,550 --> 01:03:20,270
about sort of open AI on my
training probably for the best
1364
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,290
part of the past year.
Obviously when ChatGPT came
1365
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:26,200
across it just made it
accessible to everyone and I saw
1366
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:28,720
the potential to it and and then
just got involved with
1367
01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:32,440
developing Teach Mate which just
sort of harnesses it and fine
1368
01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:37,510
tunes it so that it sort of
minimal input for teachers for
1369
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,890
maximum output and and and
already the impact it's having
1370
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,210
has because it's not going to
solve the issues and and you
1371
01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:49,250
know you go back to strikes like
you were saying before would you
1372
01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:53,410
rather take a 6.5% increase but
your workload be the same and
1373
01:03:53,420 --> 01:03:57,550
and funding be dreadful by or
would you rather have a reduced
1374
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,790
workload and workload is the
biggest thing for teachers it is
1375
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:05,190
and what I've found over from
doing my training So when I
1376
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,420
first started doing my training
like decade ago it was very much
1377
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:13,280
like a day of just idea after
idea after idea after idea and
1378
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:16,060
then I'd visit these schools
maybe a year after and nothing
1379
01:04:16,070 --> 01:04:18,840
will have been implemented.
And what I've realised is if
1380
01:04:18,850 --> 01:04:22,860
teachers don't have time and an
opportunity to build their
1381
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:27,140
confidence and knowledge and try
these ideas out, my trainings
1382
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:28,750
are complete and utter waste of
time.
1383
01:04:28,850 --> 01:04:31,930
And I want because I know the
tech can really help, but
1384
01:04:31,940 --> 01:04:34,860
teachers need the time to get
the red around it.
1385
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:37,880
And what frustrates me is a
profession is one of the worst
1386
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:39,960
professions for letting go of
things.
1387
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:44,450
So I always use the analogy.
If if we were taxi drivers, we'd
1388
01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:47,060
be the worst taxi drivers in the
world because we you getting our
1389
01:04:47,070 --> 01:04:48,930
tax and we'd be like, where do
you want to go?
1390
01:04:48,980 --> 01:04:50,500
It's like, oh, we'll go to the
airport.
1391
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:52,950
So you put that in the sat NAV
because that's what everyone
1392
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,280
uses.
Well then you go right, just
1393
01:04:54,290 --> 01:04:55,470
strap yourself in.
I won't be long.
1394
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,810
I'm just going to hand write the
root in as much detail as
1395
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:02,870
possible, just in case someone
wants to look at it, you know,
1396
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,230
And it's like, why can't we move
or what?
1397
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,830
So my trainings then evolved
over the past few years in
1398
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,070
saying look if you've invested
in this save, invest in a class
1399
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,200
set of iPads, right.
An iPad.
1400
01:05:16,210 --> 01:05:20,180
For me by far my favourite tech
tool tech device to use in
1401
01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:22,380
primary school.
You know I know there's a lot of
1402
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:24,620
schools go down the Chromebook
route and I get a lot of schools
1403
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:27,000
like Ohh Mr P we're thinking of
buying some Chromebooks which
1404
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:30,400
which Chromebooks should be
buying them like an iPad because
1405
01:05:30,410 --> 01:05:33,500
for me it can just do everything
everything an iPad a Chromebook
1406
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:36,620
can but so much more and the
sort of accessibility and the
1407
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:39,240
multimedia creation and and and
that sort of thing.
1408
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:42,770
So, so if you've invested in a
class set of iPads, the first
1409
01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:46,610
thing you need to start with is
how this tech and help teachers
1410
01:05:46,620 --> 01:05:48,840
do their job more efficiently
and more.
1411
01:05:48,850 --> 01:05:50,690
Don't even worry about the kids
to begin with.
1412
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,390
What are the tools that are
going to save teachers time?
1413
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,730
Because if you can do that,
you're going to get teachers on
1414
01:05:56,740 --> 01:05:59,120
board with the tech for one and
two.
1415
01:05:59,130 --> 01:06:02,690
They're then going to have time
to sort of play around and
1416
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:05,810
experiment and and sort of build
their confidence and knowledge
1417
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:07,810
and other apps.
But what tends to happen is we
1418
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:09,700
buy these iPad, it's like,
right, you gotta start using
1419
01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:12,820
this in your class and teachers
are already, they've got no time
1420
01:06:12,830 --> 01:06:14,950
anyway.
So and it's like, yeah, you
1421
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,020
gotta use this as well as doing
everything else you've always
1422
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:20,050
done.
So for the majority of schools
1423
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:22,990
who buy all this tech rather
than reducing workload it ends
1424
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,290
up adding to your workload And
and so you know for years I've
1425
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:30,940
been campaigning about how tech
can help us sort of work smarter
1426
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:34,560
not harder is my sort of mantra.
But I honestly believe there's
1427
01:06:34,570 --> 01:06:37,740
not been anything that's been
that's come along that's had
1428
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:41,460
such an immediate impact on
saving teachers time more than
1429
01:06:41,470 --> 01:06:44,230
this sort of language based AI
stuff.
1430
01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:47,460
And it is just, you know, I know
there's a lot of apprehension
1431
01:06:47,470 --> 01:06:49,830
and there's a lot of teachers
who because I think you talked
1432
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,720
about and you put on that
episode you did, which was which
1433
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:55,290
was brilliant about, you know,
some teachers saying they
1434
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:57,740
weren't allowed to use it.
And you just sort of thinking
1435
01:06:58,750 --> 01:07:00,510
where's that coming?
And it comes from that fear,
1436
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,240
doesn't it?
It's that fear of the unknown.
1437
01:07:02,250 --> 01:07:04,570
I I did a training session of
the week where a teacher was
1438
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:06,480
like, ohh, I'm not touching that
AI stuff.
1439
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:08,540
They want the robots to start
killing us all.
1440
01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:12,950
And I'm like, listen to it.
Terminator is not a true story,
1441
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,990
you know, and it's not.
He's really good at writing
1442
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,110
reports.
He's great, yeah.
1443
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:20,100
And it's not going to be the AI
that's going to be the downfall
1444
01:07:20,110 --> 01:07:22,550
of humanity.
It's going to be how we choose
1445
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,770
to use it as humans, you know?
Exactly.
1446
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:27,140
And don't get me wrong, I'm sure
there's going to be in the same
1447
01:07:27,150 --> 01:07:30,030
way that social media can do
amazing things, can do dreadful
1448
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,470
things, AI, AI will be the same.
And it's all about how we choose
1449
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,630
to use it.
And if we can embrace it and
1450
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:39,670
allow it to to to do some of the
heavy lifting with certain admin
1451
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,630
tasks so that teachers have time
to do whatever it is that's
1452
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,870
that's going to help them.
Because this is where I take a
1453
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,610
very sort of frank approach with
well-being because I find that
1454
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:53,250
to be, you know, majority of
things schools do for well-being
1455
01:07:53,260 --> 01:07:56,250
tend to do the complete opposite
of what they're supposed to do.
1456
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,630
Because, you know, luckily at my
school, we don't do any of that
1457
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,830
rubbish.
But there's absolutely no point
1458
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,810
in putting a mug on my desk with
some chocolates in with a little
1459
01:08:06,820 --> 01:08:08,770
post it note saying you've been
mugged.
1460
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,370
If I'm, if I'm the biggest mug
stuck in school till half six,
1461
01:08:12,380 --> 01:08:15,290
7:00 o'clock every night
pointlessly marking books, No,
1462
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:18,550
my kids can't even read it.
Yeah, and we don't see the irony
1463
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,720
in it, you know.
Yeah, don't get me started on
1464
01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:27,029
yoga.
Have you ever, very quickly,
1465
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,029
have you ever found yourself in
an hour long meeting on
1466
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,830
well-being?
I'm thinking the only thing that
1467
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,250
would help my well-being right
now is if you let me leave like
1468
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:33,800
that.
Yeah.
1469
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:36,060
Number one thing you can do
Don't talk to me about
1470
01:08:36,069 --> 01:08:38,300
well-being.
Luckily I've never sat through a
1471
01:08:38,310 --> 01:08:41,149
staff meeting myself because
we're we're not we're not like
1472
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,300
that.
But I've had messages like it's
1473
01:08:43,310 --> 01:08:44,880
one of the most common messages
I got sent home.
1474
01:08:44,890 --> 01:08:47,620
Must be have been been asked to
do so to lead a work a staff
1475
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:49,560
meeting on well-being.
Can you recommend anything?
1476
01:08:49,569 --> 01:08:52,540
And my my response is cancel the
bloody meeting.
1477
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:54,260
Yeah.
And stop my best at 9:00 PM
1478
01:08:54,270 --> 01:08:56,250
about it, Yeah.
You're not yourself.
1479
01:08:56,290 --> 01:08:59,890
It's the best thing you can do.
So there was a teacher who
1480
01:08:59,899 --> 01:09:03,810
subscribed to, so she got this
teacher recently, got a little
1481
01:09:03,819 --> 01:09:08,000
bit of budget to do some sort of
staff, well-being staff meeting
1482
01:09:08,010 --> 01:09:09,729
or Twilight or something like
that.
1483
01:09:09,939 --> 01:09:12,630
And she just signed a school up
to teach mate, got the whole
1484
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,569
school subscription, spent the
first part of the staff meeting,
1485
01:09:15,580 --> 01:09:18,189
teaching staff how to use it,
how to navigate the site.
1486
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:20,729
And it's like, there you go.
If that can save you 10 hours a
1487
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:23,450
week, then use that 10 out.
Because this is the thing about
1488
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:26,180
well, you can't force it on
someone is completely and
1489
01:09:26,189 --> 01:09:29,710
utterly subjective.
Like some people will find
1490
01:09:29,779 --> 01:09:33,050
listening to this podcast that
you do good for the well-being.
1491
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:36,140
Other people would be like, no,
no, I can't think of anything.
1492
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:38,240
But you know, that's the because
it's each to their own.
1493
01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:40,510
And you know, some people love
the yoga.
1494
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:42,560
They love it.
I can't think of anything worse
1495
01:09:42,569 --> 01:09:45,020
than being in a hall, doing the
downward dog and farting in
1496
01:09:45,029 --> 01:09:47,510
someone's face.
You know, I'm not flexible.
1497
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:51,430
Just like thinking about my my
own, just me.
1498
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,149
Like if, if, my well-being and
what my subjective experience of
1499
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,710
that has changed.
But if you ask me eight years
1500
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,870
ago at the beginning of my
career, to do certain things or
1501
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:01,730
if I was struggling with
something, like no, I'm loving
1502
01:10:01,740 --> 01:10:02,740
this because I was at that
point.
1503
01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:05,470
Honeymoon period of the career
where I worked every single
1504
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:08,100
working waking hour on it and I
loved it.
1505
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,250
And I wouldn't do that now.
I'd resent that completely.
1506
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:11,510
So yeah, you would.
Absolutely.
1507
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,910
Right.
It's a completely subjective
1508
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,350
experience and you just have to
provide those tools.
1509
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,770
One thing I've really liked that
you've been doing recently,
1510
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:20,190
actually, and.
And it's just, I'm not like a
1511
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,750
really personal level.
It just did something in my
1512
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,760
brain.
I was like, oh, that's a good
1513
01:10:23,770 --> 01:10:26,640
way of doing it because it made
me think about it was you've
1514
01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:28,960
been making a lot of videos
recently about, like, actually
1515
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:32,420
showing how to use teach my AI.
Yeah, like properly, like being
1516
01:10:32,430 --> 01:10:35,240
like, this is this tool, this is
how you do it.
1517
01:10:35,250 --> 01:10:37,410
And then just filming you
literally doing it and using it
1518
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:39,570
and saying I'm gonna use this
now in this lesson or whatever.
1519
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:41,830
It's gonna save me some time for
this.
1520
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,050
And as a teacher who is at that
point where you know and just
1521
01:10:46,060 --> 01:10:49,250
working with Dylan as well, like
we fill our we fill our weak all
1522
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:50,280
the time.
Constantly.
1523
01:10:50,290 --> 01:10:53,520
Really busy.
Um, I just hadn't had time to.
1524
01:10:53,530 --> 01:10:56,160
I like the idea of doing it, but
I was like, oh look, another
1525
01:10:56,170 --> 01:10:57,700
time I'll look.
Another time at all.
1526
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:59,080
I'll look, it's been 5 weeks
now.
1527
01:10:59,090 --> 01:11:00,240
I'll look another time on that
tour.
1528
01:11:00,370 --> 01:11:04,130
But seeing your video and just
the way we all consume media, I
1529
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:05,920
was like, oh, I've just done
that thing that I meant to do
1530
01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:07,810
for five weeks because you did
it for me.
1531
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:09,600
Ohh that.
Yeah, I can use that tool, yeah.
1532
01:11:10,420 --> 01:11:11,750
Yeah.
And that was really good.
1533
01:11:12,090 --> 01:11:15,030
And what I like about, I think
one of the biggest sort of
1534
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:19,420
selling points almost of it is
the resources it creates are so
1535
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:23,360
bespoke to you what you want.
So you know, you've got all your
1536
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:26,100
big resource websites out there.
We know, we, we know who they
1537
01:11:26,110 --> 01:11:27,880
are.
But there's certain topics you
1538
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:30,700
will do in class that they won't
have.
1539
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:33,360
They're not going to have a
local history resource for where
1540
01:11:33,370 --> 01:11:36,040
you are in, in Kent compared to,
you know, we do something about
1541
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:38,360
style, Milliman not going to
have anything about that.
1542
01:11:38,430 --> 01:11:41,580
But with this tool now you're
able to curate resources that
1543
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:45,310
are completely bespoke to what
you're covering or what the
1544
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,270
interest is of the children or
whatever it might.
1545
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,380
And I think that's such a
powerful, powerful thing.
1546
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:53,800
So obviously the time saving
element is the the top one.
1547
01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:58,360
I mean anything that can be used
to save teachers time and you
1548
01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:01,610
know it's not going to solve all
of the problems we're facing as
1549
01:12:01,620 --> 01:12:04,340
as educators it's not.
But if it can give teachers that
1550
01:12:04,350 --> 01:12:07,600
time back, you know, I think
it's a really good thing.
1551
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:10,940
But also the fact and this other
bits, so you know a lot of the
1552
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:13,580
feedback we're getting from CT
sort of young teachers.
1553
01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:15,680
I don't know if it was the same
with you when you came in.
1554
01:12:16,190 --> 01:12:19,490
It's it's like watching a Line
of Duty episodes sometimes isn't
1555
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:21,750
it, where there's all these
acronyms and they're talking and
1556
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,310
what seems like a foreign
language.
1557
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:28,270
We're going what's what's an NQT
PSC you know ECT and and and
1558
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,290
these tools there that can you
know explain certain terms or
1559
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:35,490
give you a breakdown of you know
what what am I supposed to be
1560
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:39,790
looking at or what does this
mean or what is the you know KSI
1561
01:12:40,020 --> 01:12:41,840
children safe and.
You know, we're going to have to
1562
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:45,280
use that for our we get a lot of
people listen to the podcast who
1563
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:48,310
are teachers, and after every
episode, what is it?
1564
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:50,610
What is pedagogy?
What are you talking about?
1565
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:51,560
Ohh, Yeah, sorry.
Forgot.
1566
01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:53,850
You've got no idea what we're
talking about the time.
1567
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:57,010
So it's good for that and and
also sort of some of the send
1568
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:59,860
support that's there as well.
So we've built some tools that
1569
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:03,330
you know if you are noticing
that a child is behaving in a
1570
01:13:03,340 --> 01:13:06,610
certain way or this certain, you
know, you can go in there and
1571
01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:09,400
sort of say look this child is
presenting with this, this, this
1572
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:11,730
and this.
And it will, you know, use its
1573
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:14,350
data to sort of say, well, it
could be this and this is, you
1574
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,400
know, there's one where if you
say, right, I've got a child in
1575
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:21,090
my class who's got ADHD.
And then the the AI will create
1576
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,170
a number or you know, generate a
number of ideas for how you can
1577
01:13:25,180 --> 01:13:29,180
make your classroom more
inclusive and and best support
1578
01:13:29,190 --> 01:13:31,410
the children.
Which you know you could go on
1579
01:13:31,420 --> 01:13:33,810
Google and you could fat but
this is just doing it at the
1580
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,350
speed of light you know so.
So I think it is a really,
1581
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:42,830
really positive tool obviously
where it goes the it's sort of
1582
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,530
exciting and scary at the same
time.
1583
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:48,050
It just how quickly things are
developing and you know and and
1584
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:51,540
we do obviously need to be aware
of certain things and you know
1585
01:13:51,550 --> 01:13:55,720
people have commented on some of
my posts about uh oh be careful
1586
01:13:55,730 --> 01:13:58,130
because next thing I will take
over your job and I was like
1587
01:13:58,140 --> 01:14:01,060
well it won't will it because
the main part of our job is the
1588
01:14:01,070 --> 01:14:03,020
human connection we have with
these kids.
1589
01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:04,880
You know and that's never going
to go away.
1590
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,470
You're always going to need
that.
1591
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:09,820
We just search quick side thing
for part of our tutoring stuff.
1592
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:11,580
We we make a lot of YouTube
videos as well.
1593
01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:15,360
Yeah we just for fun.
Last year, when ChatGPT was like
1594
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:18,350
first hitting the media, we just
made a silly video of Will Will
1595
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,540
AI replace teachers?
And we got ChatGPT to write us.
1596
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:25,190
A script to follow as a teacher
on how to teach five things.
1597
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,050
So we gave him, he said, ohh,
write me a script on how to
1598
01:14:28,060 --> 01:14:30,830
teach children how to tell the
time, for example.
1599
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,130
And it was hilarious because it
got one or two of them right.
1600
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:36,520
Anything really procedural was
quite good, like how to find the
1601
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:38,570
interior angles of a triangle,
you know, whatever.
1602
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,430
But yeah, it was a real laugh
because it just got it
1603
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:46,950
completely, completely wrong.
It can, it can be erratic
1604
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,880
sometimes.
It can come out with some stuff
1605
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:50,690
and you're like, where's it got
that from?
1606
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:51,960
So.
Conclusion.
1607
01:14:52,030 --> 01:14:53,670
It's it's not gonna replace
teachers.
1608
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,130
It's a Turner.
It's a team.
1609
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:56,170
Yeah.
It's not us.
1610
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:59,130
Yeah, absolutely.
It's a great tool and it really
1611
01:14:59,140 --> 01:15:01,790
powerful tool, but ultimately is
a tool.
1612
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,690
It's like I said in a video
about it, sort of being like a
1613
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:07,050
calculator.
Calculators haven't replaced
1614
01:15:07,060 --> 01:15:09,060
mathematicians.
Yeah, you've still got
1615
01:15:09,070 --> 01:15:11,730
mathematicians, but it's just a
tool that they can use to help
1616
01:15:11,740 --> 01:15:15,020
with what they're doing.
So I think a I can certainly
1617
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:19,510
help with that and and and and
and sort of the impact it's
1618
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,910
having has been amazing sort of
the feedback we've been getting
1619
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,410
from teachers.
Like I had a message from a
1620
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:26,040
teacher who said it's it's
literally kept her in the
1621
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,160
profession.
She was so close on it a day and
1622
01:15:29,170 --> 01:15:31,680
having a tool now that giving it
gives her a week, evenings and
1623
01:15:31,690 --> 01:15:33,150
weekends back.
He's just unreal.
1624
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,410
So you know it is.
It's great.
1625
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:37,650
Lee, we are so grateful for your
time.
1626
01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:38,970
I think we're going to wrap it
up there.
1627
01:15:39,820 --> 01:15:43,490
It's it's it's been like amazing
to talk to you and again, just
1628
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:46,310
wrapping it up with the thanks
for all your insight with AI.
1629
01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:47,750
Thanks for all you're doing on
the media.
1630
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:50,240
Stuff because, you know, we're
going to be the voice of the
1631
01:15:50,250 --> 01:15:52,640
teachers who aren't on the media
now and say you're doing such a
1632
01:15:52,650 --> 01:15:54,460
good job for us.
So we really, really appreciate
1633
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:55,460
it.
Thank you.
1634
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:56,720
No problem.
I really do.
1635
01:15:56,730 --> 01:15:58,810
And yeah, Hayden, anything
before we go?
1636
01:15:59,010 --> 01:16:01,680
Well, I just wanna ask one quick
question.
1637
01:16:01,690 --> 01:16:04,440
The final point.
OK, what's in store for the
1638
01:16:04,450 --> 01:16:05,900
future?
What can we expect to see from
1639
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:10,110
ICT, Mr P?
Just more of the same, really.
1640
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:16,250
We've got another podcast tour
happening in October and that's
1641
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:18,350
going to be that.
We're playing some quite big
1642
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,170
venues with that one, which I'm
absolutely cracking it, but
1643
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,930
hopefully people can We're
we're, we're doing it.
1644
01:16:23,940 --> 01:16:27,850
So the first tour we sort of
agreed to do it.
1645
01:16:27,860 --> 01:16:30,460
During lockdown, when I just
wasn't sure of where the
1646
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:32,430
training was going to go.
I didn't know whether I'd be
1647
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:34,530
back on the road, I didn't know
whether schools would.
1648
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,860
So I sort of had that offered
and we were like yeah, well then
1649
01:16:37,870 --> 01:16:41,530
you know something guaranteed
And then because it was sort of
1650
01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:44,910
selling so well they kept adding
dates and dates and I think we
1651
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:50,390
ended up doing close to 70 dates
over sort of best part of a year
1652
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,850
which was incredible.
But it really started to take
1653
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:56,050
its toll a little bit.
So it was sort of still
1654
01:16:56,060 --> 01:16:58,970
travelling during the week doing
my training and then Friday
1655
01:16:58,980 --> 01:17:02,830
night, Saturday night, Sundays
were were on the road, you know
1656
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,820
and I made clear to my brother
that when when we are on the
1657
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:09,800
road we we're back every night
like I'm not staying out.
1658
01:17:09,810 --> 01:17:13,120
So even if we don't get home
till 3:00 in the morning and
1659
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:16,070
want to make sure I'm there with
the kids on a Sunday and we have
1660
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,260
a full day which sort of
backfired because I would be
1661
01:17:18,270 --> 01:17:21,910
there but I'd be so tired.
I think that's not being there
1662
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,090
And it was amazing and and and
sort of the reaction to it and I
1663
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,460
thought it really sort of came
at the right time where post
1664
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:32,720
COVID when teachers had you know
really worked their arses off
1665
01:17:32,730 --> 01:17:36,080
and stepped up and you know it
was really you know cannot
1666
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:38,870
underestimate what an incredible
job teachers and schools have.
1667
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,810
Did you know having an
opportunity to come together and
1668
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:44,880
just sort of not not reminisce
that makes it sound like it was
1669
01:17:44,890 --> 01:17:47,530
a pleasant experience but sort
of talk about it and have a bit
1670
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:50,270
of a laugh and a bit of a giggle
and have a few drinks.
1671
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:55,220
It really did seem to resonate
and help and so but, so when
1672
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:57,130
they approached us and said you
want to do another tour, I was
1673
01:17:57,140 --> 01:18:00,700
like, yeah, but there's no way
I'm doing you know 6-7 months of
1674
01:18:00,710 --> 01:18:01,710
every.
Weekend.
1675
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,740
Condense it to two weeks during
the October half term and then
1676
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:08,270
they've gone right.
OK, but we'll book you it.
1677
01:18:08,890 --> 01:18:11,630
Venues that double the size of
what you were doing last time.
1678
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,670
So we've got like, the London
Hackney empire we're doing.
1679
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,010
Whoa.
Yeah, I think I've, I think I've
1680
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:19,350
been there.
That's not small.
1681
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,230
No, no, that's what I mean.
So that's amazing.
1682
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,670
So we've got that in the
pipeline.
1683
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,030
Some other sort of exciting
projects have been working on
1684
01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:32,500
and obviously exciting to see
where the AI stuff goes and
1685
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:34,100
obviously really developing
that.
1686
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:37,590
I mean we've got some really
exciting updates on Teach Mate
1687
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,550
happening over the summer and
and sort of looking at building
1688
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,730
that and just making it as, you
know, I think what what sets it
1689
01:18:43,740 --> 01:18:47,070
apart because these sort of AI
teacher tools are popping up
1690
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,630
here there and everywhere.
Yeah.
1691
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,990
But what I really think sets us
apart from all the others is,
1692
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,060
you know, it's made by teachers,
for teachers.
1693
01:18:55,070 --> 01:18:58,860
So it's sort of exactly sort of
getting the best out of this
1694
01:18:58,870 --> 01:19:01,570
sort of technology.
And and what we've been able to
1695
01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:05,030
do now is bring on a really
experienced sort of coder and
1696
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,970
programmer who's able to build
stuff that we could only dream
1697
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:10,510
of.
And so we're sort of going
1698
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,950
actually, would we be able to do
this?
1699
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,740
And he's like, yeah, just give
me a couple of weeks and I'll
1700
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:16,330
build it.
So if you do go on the platform
1701
01:19:16,340 --> 01:19:20,090
now compared to maybe when you
made that episode a few weeks
1702
01:19:20,100 --> 01:19:23,820
ago, you'll see the drastic
difference in in all elements of
1703
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:26,370
the website.
Thanks to Ian, who's just been
1704
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,820
an absolute godsend.
So that would be exciting to see
1705
01:19:28,830 --> 01:19:31,240
where that goes.
And then yeah, I suppose just
1706
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:36,120
continuing to to represent the
the profession and and and sort
1707
01:19:36,130 --> 01:19:39,430
of help and support.
However, however, I can really.
1708
01:19:40,150 --> 01:19:42,130
So we like to hear.
It's what we like to hear.
1709
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,170
Ohh amazing.
It's been so good talking to you
1710
01:19:44,230 --> 01:19:47,550
and thank you so much and.
Happy down to earth as we we
1711
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,030
thought you would be who you
would be and it's been a really
1712
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,030
good chat.
Yeah, and keep doing what you're
1713
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,570
doing guys.
I've been enjoying listening to
1714
01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:55,210
the episodes.
Thank you.
1715
01:19:55,930 --> 01:19:56,700
No.
Cheers, mate.
1716
01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:58,370
We, we now we we do appreciate
that.
1717
01:19:58,380 --> 01:20:00,840
That's really cool and we don't
need to tell you how good your
1718
01:20:00,850 --> 01:20:02,740
podcast is.
So thank you.
1719
01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:03,740
Brilliant.
Yeah.
1720
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:09,290
Cheers.
OK, now as always, every single
1721
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:11,280
guest we've had on this podcast,
we've been so lucky.
1722
01:20:11,290 --> 01:20:12,990
Haven't we had him?
Because afterwards I just feel
1723
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,820
like I get so much out of it.
But the one thing I will just
1724
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:18,850
say that I felt was amazing
about that from my point of view
1725
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:22,410
is I felt like I had someone on
my level of my political anger
1726
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:24,970
and it just felt so good to have
that discussion.
1727
01:20:24,980 --> 01:20:27,010
I know you, I know you care
about these things either, but I
1728
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:30,210
just, it was like 2 Mr P's.
I'm an honorary one now with Mr.
1729
01:20:30,220 --> 01:20:34,600
Price and I just felt like I say
yeah, yeah, he just, he gets it.
1730
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:36,360
He he he gets it, he gets the
anger.
1731
01:20:36,370 --> 01:20:38,140
And I like said millions of
times, No.
1732
01:20:38,150 --> 01:20:41,570
Just so grateful that he's on
online, on the media, spreading
1733
01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:43,930
our word.
I I was gonna try and make a
1734
01:20:43,940 --> 01:20:45,810
joke at one point and I just
said, you know, when you get the
1735
01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:47,530
right moment to jump it in.
So I didn't.
1736
01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:50,480
But I was gonna say it's like
talking to two Dylans is I've
1737
01:20:50,490 --> 01:20:52,690
got two of you now because you
had very much the same
1738
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,400
ideologies, same ideas and there
are points where you two are
1739
01:20:55,410 --> 01:20:58,130
just going off on having a
really interesting conversation
1740
01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:00,490
about politics or whatever.
So I actually thoroughly enjoyed
1741
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:02,740
listening to it and I can't wait
to see the next installment of
1742
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:06,290
three Mr P's in a podcast and.
And everyone else gets a list.
1743
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:07,850
I'm gonna do this solo from now
on.
1744
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,660
I was gonna join them.
We've got some on that.
1745
01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:13,330
On that note, I guess some sad
news for a lot of people.
1746
01:21:13,340 --> 01:21:15,760
This podcast is ending this week
because I have been off the
1747
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:19,370
contract and unless you change
your name to something, gonna
1748
01:21:19,380 --> 01:21:21,820
pay Mr Stevens if.
You're not involved, right?
1749
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,730
No, that's it.
I'm out of the game.
1750
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:26,570
It was a good run.
Thanks everyone, for listening.
1751
01:21:26,580 --> 01:21:28,390
Thanks.
Rishi Sunak being our biggest
1752
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,380
listener, bringing that joke
back.
1753
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,110
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's what
1754
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:33,710
comedians call a callback,
apparently.
1755
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,970
And if you give you callback
stuff enough, it's funny
1756
01:21:35,980 --> 01:21:37,770
apparently.
Is this the point then, where
1757
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:40,850
you are and you say things like
thinking of callbacks?
1758
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,710
This is where you can check our
old episodes and stuff like
1759
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,190
that.
Is that we do, Yeah, definitely,
1760
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,660
definitely.
So you know, if you did enjoy
1761
01:21:45,670 --> 01:21:48,770
that and you know and you enjoy
Mr Peace podcast and why not 21?
1762
01:21:48,780 --> 01:21:51,290
That's a sub tier version of it
and that's our podcast Teach,
1763
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:54,670
Seat Repeat.
So if you come from being a fan
1764
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,180
of Mr P and his amazing podcast,
this one, OK, so why not?
1765
01:21:58,310 --> 01:22:02,030
Why not check out all of our
previous episodes and and yeah,
1766
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,470
we'd love to have you and love
for you guys to stay.
1767
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:05,970
Anyway, Aiden, I've seen that's
it for this.
1768
01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:07,050
Week.
Yeah, nice one.
1769
01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:08,830
I meant the social media stuff,
but that's fine.
1770
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,980
I don't need to know where to
find us on social media.
1771
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,390
It's down a link below.
I really don't want to say it
1772
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,620
again, so.
We have to watch that.
1773
01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:17,490
I'm gonna finish with this if
you've got some funny stories
1774
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:19,350
from the classroom that you'd
like to share with us.
1775
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,620
Bought some cringe worthy
moments, Awesome toxicity in
1776
01:22:21,630 --> 01:22:24,180
schools that you want us to out
because you know, which is well
1777
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:27,640
then do write to us and we will
definitely share them on a
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01:22:27,650 --> 01:22:30,270
podcast because we love it.
See you next time.
