Ep 22: The End Of The School Year - Productions, 'Winding Down' & Saying Goodbye

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Ohh yes Sats are over Aiden year
six teachers.

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We are ready for a while.
My God.

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Winding down time.
Term six, baby.

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Let's go.
We can wind down all the way to

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those seven transition days we
have for all of the kids who are

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going to 70.
Percent ohh.

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And those reports we've gotta
do.

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Don't forget to proofread mine,
by the way.

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Ohh, I've not done that yet but
I can definitely do that whilst

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I'm winding down and planning
the sports day.

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We've got to get done.
This Ohh yeah.

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And on sports day, you can think
about the leaver ceremony we've

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gotta do for the year 6.
Yeah, you've done that right.

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You've done that while you've
been winding down.

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Yeah, yeah, of course.
Right.

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It's like, totally ready to,
like, be.

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Planned, but just remember we
have got that right in

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moderation coming up, OK.
So you're around them whilst

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we're winding down, we could do
that, right, moderation.

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That's a good point because we
need that data to go along with

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our sats results data and send
that all out to.

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The UK, because it's fine cause
we'll see the parents, we'll see

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the parents on four separate
nights when doing the production

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that we've been.
Working on for the next two

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weeks.
Oh my God.

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Classic.
Like I'm so whining down right

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now.
Ohh, have you remembered that

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all we've got to do, all of
those afternoon subjects that we

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missed when we were preparing
for Sats?

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We've gotta get them in as well.
Don't worry about that, because

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when we're winding down
delivering those, we're also

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going to take all of our kids to
the Hall.

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Or three hour photo shoot for
their end of year.

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Photos.
That's nice.

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Well, at least we can plan the
school trip while you're doing

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that.
I guess so because we do have a

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residential come out, don't we
all week have us winding down

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looking after 100?
Kids, finish up with that.

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We'll wind down.
If that isn't winding now all

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that stuff, then I don't know.
Why I know mate, should we go,

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should we go to the pub?
Yeah, let's go to the pub.

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Ohh.
Sorry, I can't.

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I've got to do literally
everything I just said.

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach, Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Forehead Hayden.
Forehead Hayden?

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Yeah, Crazy Hayden.
You can lean forward so much and

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it still looks like you got the
same.

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I genuinely, Charles said that
to me today.

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Funny enough, I get ripped a
lot, don't I?

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It's really bad.
At what point in the year do you

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lose all respect?
Actually lose all respect?

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For you I will say it did start
from another teacher saying it

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first, saying ohh stereo over
there at Mr We're doing

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production practise.
Stay over there at Mr Stevens

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head.
You can even look at his face or

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the shine.
So either.

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Either.
Both as interesting as each

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other.
I'm going to come in there on

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that point because I had a fleet
of children come up to me in my

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classroom asking me why is Mr
Stevens up in the hall?

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I was like, what?
What are you on about it?

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He's on the climbing frame.
I was like, what are this image

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of you just scaling the climbing
frame for some reason, I don't

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know what was going on.
Walked into the whole 3 pictures

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of you, your display picture of
WhatsApp plastered across the

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climbing apparatus when hundreds
of children trying to have their

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lunch.
What on earth is that?

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I mean, Long story short, the
kids were all looking down.

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They did that classic thing, or
they're nervous.

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They were looking down and
saying their lines kind of

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towards the floor.
And to try and encourage them to

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kind of look above the audience
and, you know, look right back

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and cast their voices in that
direction.

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One of the other teachers just
went and printed some, like,

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mugshots of me and just stuck
them all along the back wall so

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they could look at it, made them
laugh.

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And then it kind of worked.
They did look at it.

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So two things #1 Thanksgiving
context of viewers as to what if

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you're talking about that was
good.

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And second of all, wouldn't that
put them off looking?

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Having your face.
Up.

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Ohh wow.
That's what you think.

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But actually, you know, I'm the
coolest, coolest teacher.

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In school banter for anyone who
did put two and two together,

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Hayden is in year six currently
doing the production.

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So it's not the children.
We don't make the children do

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lines as they're eating their
lunch.

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I don't think they're thinking
of us.

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But the year Sixes are
practising for their production,

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which we will get into, as I'm
sure you can see from the title

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of this episode.
But Hayden in general, how was

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your week?
Well, you'll be pleased to know.

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I've got a story involving
birds.

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I know you have, and I couldn't
believe it when I came to your

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house.
God.

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Yeah, so Dylan around the other
day and he started laughing way

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more than he should have because
he realised that once again I've

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I've got another bird related
story which is just the thing

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now we need a Jingle for for
this and.

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I got it.
Ohh ready.

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Yeah, go on.
OK, OK, Just imagine that.

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It's just starting like a slow
wisp.

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It's like whispering.
I mean, his name is Hayden, and

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he loved her words, if you come
to listen.

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Yeah, it comes the birds.
And all the birds are here with

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Hayden.
And this week, what will the

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story be?
Is it about a beat?

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No, it's about a bird.
Yeah, I tried to do bird noises

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while you're doing that and I
could only think of three and

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one of them was an owl, so can't
think of birds used to do a

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really good seagull impression,
which leads me to this story.

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My At what point did we Sorry,
at what point did this podcast

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go horribly?
Wrong downhill.

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I think when I think, I think
when we started, probably it's

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when it started going downhill.
Why are you listening?

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Why?
Ohh, you've done that thing.

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Anyway, you look, so yeah, it's
my mum's birthday.

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In fact, technically it's my
mum's birthday today.

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If you're listening to this on
Friday when we release the

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podcast.
Happy birthday mum.

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Happy Birthday.
Not that you listen.

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She doesn't listen, Doesn't
listen.

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Doesn't listen.
My mum honestly still still

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trying to work out how to use
her Nokia phone.

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She's definitely not listening
to this podcast.

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Interesting.
I hope he gets you a glass duck

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and a glass seagull for your
birthday as well, which is well

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my mum got.
No, no, no, no, no Hayden.

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I've seen this.
One of them was not a seagull.

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Right.
It was a seagull.

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No, it wasn't.
It was the first one was a duck,

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which made me laugh because my
my mum went shopping with Lauren

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and and I said to Lauren I was
like look.

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You know it's a birthday next
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If you want something, he cares.
Something we can.

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It's her birthday present
because I never know what to

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get.
And she did.

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It was perfect and she wanted a
glass duck and a glass seagull.

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OK, I've seen these.
We're going to put it on the

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screen if you're watching the
podcast right now.

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Yeah, and we will post it on our
social structures.

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And what is the most like?
It looks like it's been made by

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a four year old.
Going to say that no, my mother

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would never have something like
that in her house.

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It's very classy, no?
A5 year old day, yeah.

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Yeah, also when you're around my
house.

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I know we also had a great, a
great tournament, didn't we?

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Dylan.
Dylan likes to play a bit of

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table tennis around my house.
Got a table tennis table.

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One of those guys he likes to.
Denny's really, really sweet.

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He's really sweet.
There we go.

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He likes to make up little
tournament.

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So he goes right this Wimbledon.
This is for Wimbledon and we'll

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be, we'll play first to three
Wimbledon, right.

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And then he'll lose.
He'll because he loses all of

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them.
He will lose.

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And then he was like, OK, let's
play, let's play the the French

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Open now and then we'll place
three, you'll play three games

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again.
We'll play that and then he's

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like got charity cup one game in
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This is what he does.
Very competitive, very, very

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competitive.
Man has to make it a proper

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competition.
That comes from.

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That comes from my youth.
We used to.

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Me and my sisters, they're all
younger than me, right?

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I've got three younger sisters.
And so I was just like, cool.

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I could ever accept the fact
that they're not into their

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sports as much.
They all did dancing and stuff.

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Or or I could force them to play
my competitions that I made-up

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in the garden.
I went for the route of forcing

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them to make play my
competitions that I made-up in

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the garden.
And I remember I would set up

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obstacle courses and stuff.
Everything was to win.

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Nothing was ever to lose.
And also that kind of carried on

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like through my group of friends
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We used to go.
Mini golf in the summer and we'd

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play weekly and it would be this
is the Australian Open to the

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Australian Open.
This is the US Open.

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Yeah, this this is, this is the
Masters now this is the Masters

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got through.
We go for all the golf and the

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tennis.
Like there'll be 16 cups and I

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could eventually win.
Like, ohh yeah, we stop when it

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gets to 8787, so we stop.
Yeah, that's definitely there.

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I could have literally imagine
you being exactly like that,

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based on what you're like now,
but Speaking of sport, being up

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to this week, you've been
footballing news today or

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something.
Yeah, it made me think because.

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Hayden you'll be pleased to
know.

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So the listeners, there's one
more social media app you can

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find us on now.
Threads anyone who's got

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threads?
And even better news, because

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threads is directly linked to
Instagram, it's got the same

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handle.
Ah, that's a shame.

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You ruined.
Yeah, I like ribbing you for

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making a new handle for every
single social media platform.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.
So on threats, if anyone's on

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threats, you can find us on
threats at Teach Sleep Repeat

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Podcast, because it's the same
as Instagram.

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And it just got me thinking
because we've played football

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every Tuesday and that's a
routine.

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We play 5A side football.
And I just thought to myself, if

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I didn't have that, if I didn't
have that routine in the midweek

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of every Tuesday, no matter
what, I know I've got football.

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It's almost like work, you know,
I've got to go to work.

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Good morning.
I like to or not, I've got

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football on Tuesdays.
Is something that happens

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without that routine.
I think I would just slip into

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this kind of work mode from the
start of the week to the end of

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the week.
And I think I asked on threads.

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You know, teachers, what do you
do in the evenings?

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Like is it just work, work, work
and then you can switch off at

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the end of the week and after
the weekend?

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Or do you try and force yourself
to do stuff?

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And I don't know about you,
Hayden, how do you find yourself

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in the week?
Because I think this is even a

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teaching thing.
I think anyone working a full

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time job will find themselves
just absolutely knackered on the

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evening and kind of just wishing
away their week for the weekend

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when they can finally do
something.

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Yeah, a lot of the time.
I mean, because obviously I live

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with my partner's a teacher as
well as as is yours.

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I think we definitely fall into
that rut easily of just like

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completely exhausted.
Completely naked.

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Cooking dinner is the ultimate
chore.

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Most of the time I quite like
cooking, but I absolutely hate

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cooking in the week like we're
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Sorry, I like cooking, but I
hate cooking at all times.

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Yeah, the weekend.
I just want to do something

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else.
I hate cooking that as well, but

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I like cooking.
So true.

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I quite often don't cook at the
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apparently.
I think I like cooking, but

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clearly I don't.
But now, yeah.

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Just the idea of cooking.
Yeah, I like the idea.

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I'll get the odd time where you
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it's just a chore and then you
just you just knackered.

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I know right now, the washing up
downstairs.

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I didn't do it, didn't do it.
I left it on the side.

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That's tomorrow evening.
But his job.

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But yeah, I think I definitely
voted that stereotype of doing.

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Sweet.
Nothing.

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Well, I asked the threads, and
in general a lot of it was.

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Kind of reading.
You know there's there's low

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stakes things that you can just
do in bed.

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But one person summed up for me
and it was just like I work late

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and I just need an hour in the
evening just to sit and do

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nothing just to sit down and
decompress and just get ready

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for the next day.
And there's nothing wrong with

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that.
I just think that it's so easy

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just to fall into that rut and
then if you happen to have a

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busy weekend full of stuff you
just have to do like

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appointments or whatever it is
you can go like 2 weeks of not

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really having downtime or like
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And I just find that sport in
particular for me is that big

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driver of.
Forcing me to go out, not only

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to exercise but to socialise.
And not only those two things,

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but whilst I'm playing football,
I'm not thinking about anything.

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It's almost like mindfulness for
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Mindfulness for other people
might be colouring or sitting

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around.
I'm just thinking about

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football, like the whole world
could just disappear for an

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hour.
So I don't know, just make me

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think Very grateful.
I've played football with you a

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few times and you do like you
get into it big time.

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Like you, you seriously get into
the game, which I think is

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really cool.
I think it's important that you

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have that time and you stink
terribly afterwards.

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As well.
You smell really, really, really

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bad after playing football.
I got in Dylan's car today

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because on his way back from
football I said come on, let's.

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Get you didn't.
Play.

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I didn't play Jayden, I played
in years.

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But I said come on, let's go to
Tesco because I like like any

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six year old.
I wanted some Magic stars.

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What do you think of the Magic
Stars?

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And I was like, we can talk
about the podcast as well.

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You know, just going a little
drive and yeah, I got in the car

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the worst smell I've ever smelt,
honestly.

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And I teach you 6.
Which reminds me, I got, I've

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been teaching RSE this this
week, which is relationships and

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sex education, which we do
through most of key stage two.

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It gets more extreme as you go
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And we were talking about
puberty and how you tend to

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smell worse as you get older.
And you would have been the

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perfect example.
I should have brought you in.

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Next year.
Next year.

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Listen, listen.
Just because with your little

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video game pals on Destiny going
to Mars to defeat the White

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Witch, the Wicked Witch of the
Dark Side of Mars, and get your

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XP up to level 427, just because
that doesn't induce a sweat.

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On I mean, come to me, it does.
It depends how tricky the

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content is that we're playing,
you know?

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Six hours.
Ohh.

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I'm sweating so much.
Bring me some magic stars, love.

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Make some.
Really.

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So it's like, it just reminds me
of, you know, just that S the

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classic South Park clip, that
episode, But they're playing

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games and just just exactly
that, just sweating playing

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games for like 20 hours.
Solid.

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Yeah, I've got 111.
Last question before we move on

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and we get into the bulk of it,
yeah.

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Can you tell us how many hours
of Runescape have you played in

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your?
Life ohh God back in back in my

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childhood and early early
adulthood.

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Really mainly childhood I think.
I think people would be shocked.

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Hmm, that's maybe why I'm asking
how many.

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Days I don't know if I want to
say.

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What game time?
This game just can't.

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If you played this is playing,
the game's gone.

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Well, it's 10.
Doesn't want.

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To do it, it was it was over a
year.

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It was over a year I gained
time, and this is this is more

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than a decade ago as well.
So this is like even more

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concentrated into a much shorter
period of life.

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This is not like a game I've
played forever.

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So.
This is what you get for calling

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me smelly by the way.
Yeah, look at you.

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Yeah, you're mad.
You you were 20 years old,

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right?
You'd spent one year playing

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this game.
Right.

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Yeah, Ohh yeah, game time.
But you gotta remember 7 years

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of that was spent sleeping.
Yeah, I was gonna say in a In a

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year of real life, I haven't
spent a year playing real life.

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You spent seven years sleeping.
Sorry.

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Probably another six years at
school.

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Yeah.
And the rest of it, one year.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, OK, that'll.

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Teach, I tell you what teachers
out there right into us, because

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I want to know, is it just me?
Am I the only person that still

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plays games?
Or am I sadder with my Magic

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stars and playing games?
What do you guys do in your

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spare time?
I know Denny's already said

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this, but I'm gonna pretend it's
my idea.

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Now what do you do in your spare
time?

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Right in.
Let us know and if it's

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something funny or embarrassing,
we'll pick on you and we'll put

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it on the podcast.
So we do not remotely.

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Maybe something not remotely
interesting or funny.

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We'll ignore you.
Yeah, for being a normie.

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Right, guys, let's let's move on
to the bulk end of term, end of

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year, let's go.
Welcome back from the jungle.

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In that time Dylan wiped his
head with a towel because

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apparently sitting there is he's
making him sweat something.

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Viewers, there it is.
Wiping himself down.

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Anyway, welcome back.
That's all I've got to say.

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Dylan, take back over.
Please.

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Fantastic.
Fantastic.

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Thank you.
That's why I'm the lead anchor.

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Anyway, we referenced it in our
skip that we had and it's that

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idea of it's the end of the year
and lots of mixed emotions.

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We're going to go through all of
the different parts of the end

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of the year and discuss them in
detail.

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But the number one thing I see
online, and to be honest with

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you actually, funnily enough, I
see more people explaining why

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it's not true than I do.
People actually thinking it is

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true, but it's still the meme,
which is that in primary school

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last term you've done the Sats
in Turn 5.

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Time six.
It's the easy road, right?

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We're just winding down right
here and feeling the Essex

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teacher.
We just wind.

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It's yeah, it's fine.
We're just winding down.

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We haven't got like 19 things
today.

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We're just winding down.
No, it's good.

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Not 19 things to do, yeah.
But in all seriousness, Hayden,

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what's your opinion on summer
too?

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Because mine is that it's as
busy as not busier than

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anything.
It's definitely, it's definitely

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a busy and I think it's actually
probably probably because quite

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often the timetable, get
timetable can't speak gets

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changed up and there'll be a lot
of other things that just come

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into play.
There aren't necessarily.

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They're not.
They might not even be things.

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We have to put loads of planning
in and there's loads of marking

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at the end, but they're just
different and they just take a

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different mind space to keep on
top of and organise.

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Not that I do much of that
organisation because I work with

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a fantastic team who do it for
me.

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Very good, very good head of
year.

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But for that person in
particular, you know it can be

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really, really stressful making
sure all these different things.

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Happen.
Yeah.

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And you know there is a
balancing act especially for

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those ahead of year six.
I mean it's just different in

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year six no matter what people
say that, you know, summer two

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is different for everyone, but
especially year six because you

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know transitions such a bigger
thing in my opinion and it has

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such a bigger impact on the
curriculum.

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So you know in general Hayden,
just for all the listeners who

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aren't necessarily working in
schools, what what do we see in

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summer two that we don't
necessarily see in the other.

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Terms.
You know, I can talk about it in

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two layers really.
Obviously though there is just

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six and year six will have
things like a graduation quite

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often or or some sort of leavers
celebration that's just

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different to other year groups.
And that's usually not just like

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a really simple little thing.
There's often quite a few like

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layers of what needs to go into
that they'll make end of year

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hoodies.
So we've got to organise a shirt

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signing day.
We're gonna if you're a church

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school, you quite often go to a
church and do a little sing song

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there or some sort of ceremony.
And then there's year six

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production some sort of
performance and ohh, it's mad.

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Obviously transition day they go
to another school and they come

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back and then you've got to.
The whole, like, behaviour

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management I find is so
different in Term 6 because the

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kids come back and they're
ready, they're ready to go and I

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don't blame them.
They just, they want to go to

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secondary school now.
Their expectations feel

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different to them and there's
just a few things and you've got

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obviously, like sports day, what
else?

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I can't even think of this one.
Now you probably got some on

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your mind, but there's just all
these little things that come

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into play.
Well, like from our point of

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view, it's just little things.
Like there always seems to be

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something popping up, you know,
coming up to say, oh, we got

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this by the way, the case in
point this week, and it's

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absolutely lovely and I'm not
against it.

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At all.
But we we're going to watch the

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year 6 performance before the
year.

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Sixes do that with their parents
in the evening.

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It's like a like a run through
with the whole school.

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Yeah, one of my favourite parts
of the year because I often know

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the children in year six having
taught them previously and this

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idea of OHH, it's amazing seeing
them on stage and doing what

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they do.
But you know that does have an

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impact on the children's
routine.

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And I think the biggest thing
that I notice in summer too this

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last term is the those routines
are are stretched to the Max and

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I know as teachers we really
focus on trying to keep those

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incredibly high standards.
Keeping behaviour exactly where

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it should be.
But children thrive off routine

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and as soon as that routine is
busted, it is an uphill struggle

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trying to keep those children on
side.

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And I'm sure every teacher in
the country and I was thinking,

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my goodness, behaviour.
No matter how good your kids

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are, no matter how amazing they
are, my kids are lovely.

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I'm very lucky with my class,
they are really lovely children

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but and no one will mind me
saying their behaviour is

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dipping right now.
Of course it is.

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It's hot, it's stuffy, we've got
performance, we haven't got

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English as normal.
We're going to do an afternoon

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lesson in the morning for
whatever reason.

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Because we got the summer fair
coming up.

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All of these things just add up
to yeah summer fair, all of

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these things just add up to
children's routines going and

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therefore behaviour dips and
it's just inevitable.

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And what I want to say is if
teachers are thinking,

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especially ects seeing a lot of
posts lately about behaviour

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saying guys I'm really
struggling, my class are lovely,

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but behaviour lately it's just
gone to pot.

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It's so normal and from your
point of view having of year 6I

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imagine it's just exaggerated.
Yeah, big time.

454
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,690
I'm just trying to think of more
stuff while you were talking

455
00:19:15,700 --> 00:19:17,910
there.
We even have things like the

456
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,560
secondary schools come in.
And it's not 1 secondary school

457
00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:22,840
kids are going to like 12
different secondary schools.

458
00:19:22,850 --> 00:19:25,860
So they quite often book a time
to come in and those kids have

459
00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:28,440
to go out and like, meet these,
meet this little team and stuff

460
00:19:28,450 --> 00:19:30,420
like that.
And we arrange extra changes,

461
00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:32,520
transition days for children
that have those additional

462
00:19:32,530 --> 00:19:34,610
needs.
And there's all these just so

463
00:19:34,620 --> 00:19:36,860
many things.
And every week you think you've

464
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:39,070
got the plan for the week.
And it's like, Oh no, this is

465
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,520
happening as well.
And you're like, Oh yeah, I

466
00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:42,240
didn't factor that in.
I've still got to teach this

467
00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:43,800
history topic on top of all
this.

468
00:19:43,810 --> 00:19:45,980
I've still got to like, teach
the curriculum, which is

469
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:48,500
obviously something you do,
which leads me to.

470
00:19:49,670 --> 00:19:52,720
I I guess the discussion point
about term 6.

471
00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:57,280
Which has caused a lot of
debate, I guess online and in in

472
00:19:57,290 --> 00:19:58,820
the career.
Which is?

473
00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:04,320
Is it acceptable in term 6 to
traditionally wind down and

474
00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:08,020
maybe reduce the mass in English
you teach, reduce the curriculum

475
00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:10,610
you teach in place of all these
other things?

476
00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:13,800
What do you think?
I think the answer has to be

477
00:20:13,810 --> 00:20:16,820
yes.
When these other things, it's a

478
00:20:16,830 --> 00:20:20,360
it's a caveat, OK?
When these other things are are

479
00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:22,770
are vital and I know it's a bit
of a cop out because you know

480
00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:25,380
well what's vital, then that's
just that's just nonsense.

481
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:28,860
I think as much as possible we
should keep the routines in

482
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:31,380
place and that is English maths.
I think we should continue

483
00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:33,390
teaching English and maths
because there's always more

484
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,360
English and maths to teach.
Like just because we might think

485
00:20:35,370 --> 00:20:37,660
that we've taught the curriculum
up until the key stage two Sats,

486
00:20:37,910 --> 00:20:40,200
there's always going to be
things that we can teach these

487
00:20:40,210 --> 00:20:43,340
children to further their
understanding of mathematical

488
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:47,360
knowledge and English and
reading and writing and and and

489
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:51,360
Tots, we can do that.
Links into transition still, I

490
00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:55,020
think, but.
I really value those other

491
00:20:55,030 --> 00:20:56,860
things like the end of year
performance.

492
00:20:56,870 --> 00:21:00,970
I think children can get so much
from that and I think it's very

493
00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:03,740
easy sometimes for people on
both sides to say ohh, it should

494
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:05,800
stay exactly the same because
English and maths is the most

495
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:07,750
important thing and we need to
make sure it's delivering the

496
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,320
whole curriculum, and I get
that.

497
00:21:09,370 --> 00:21:12,910
But I think the idea of there'll
be children in every cohort,

498
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,840
every year group who will thrive
in that environment of putting

499
00:21:17,850 --> 00:21:20,520
on a show that that will not
thrive in the environment of

500
00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:22,720
academia, necessarily in the
classroom.

501
00:21:22,790 --> 00:21:26,520
And there'll also be children.
To make such progress with their

502
00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:29,920
confidence, and I'll always
remember because I did drama in

503
00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:32,500
GCSE before that.
Not remotely confident.

504
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:34,680
Confident now.
Can't stop talking.

505
00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:36,540
You won't get me off this
podcast.

506
00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:38,160
Shush.
I'm talking, you won't get me

507
00:21:38,170 --> 00:21:42,150
off.
But you know, that was really

508
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,370
big for me.
And I think that in general

509
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,730
there's so much to get out of
it.

510
00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:47,640
And I think really good
transition, like we spoke with

511
00:21:47,650 --> 00:21:50,180
Emily last week, was amazing
chat as a transition teacher,

512
00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:52,460
really good transition can be
really powerful and put them on

513
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:54,290
the right step for the next few
years.

514
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,210
So an answer to your question, I
think yes, these things are

515
00:21:58,220 --> 00:22:01,170
vitally important.
I think that just as teachers,

516
00:22:01,180 --> 00:22:02,650
it's a juggling act and it
always will be.

517
00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:04,140
Yeah, that's it, isn't it?
Really.

518
00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:05,810
It's a juggling act.
There is a line.

519
00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:08,090
There is a line at some point.
I don't know where that line is

520
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:11,020
in which it probably is quite
bad if you're not teaching.

521
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,580
Any maths or English in terms
there's a point where you can't

522
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:15,560
justify anymore.
It's what I'm trying to say but

523
00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:16,550
you can't.
You can't be like, yeah, but

524
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,400
we're doing this and these are
all great experiences.

525
00:22:18,410 --> 00:22:21,320
Like I'd be like, well, yeah,
but we are you know you do have

526
00:22:21,330 --> 00:22:22,720
to teach the national
curriculum.

527
00:22:22,990 --> 00:22:26,050
You can't just not teach it at
all in terms of and I'm worried

528
00:22:26,060 --> 00:22:28,540
that year, the year 6 culture
across.

529
00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:31,040
I've worked in a few schools and
I see it's talked to a lot of

530
00:22:31,050 --> 00:22:32,840
teachers in other schools in
year six.

531
00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:35,520
And I do get the gist that the
general culture of year six is

532
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:38,420
sats is done now who cares?
No more mass in English Bay.

533
00:22:38,430 --> 00:22:41,780
We'll just do other stuff.
And I don't, I don't know if I

534
00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:45,340
like that.
I I get, I do get that from

535
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:48,760
experience that you do tend to
teach the national curriculum in

536
00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:52,040
a just a slightly shorter time
frame because for some reason we

537
00:22:52,050 --> 00:22:55,460
have the SAS more than a term
before the end of year six.

538
00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:59,360
And it's a stupid system really.
But I don't know.

539
00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:01,700
I just feel uneasy about this
precedent that sets to the

540
00:23:01,710 --> 00:23:04,520
children that the only purpose
of learning this stuff is so you

541
00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:06,750
can pass tests and after that it
just doesn't matter anymore.

542
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,020
Like you just mess around for a
whole term then bye, off you go

543
00:23:10,030 --> 00:23:13,920
to secondary school with this
terrible now feeling, I guess

544
00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:15,580
towards these subjects.
I don't know, it just feels a

545
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:17,930
bit weird.
If you break it down there's two

546
00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:19,020
things.
One to make a point to there,

547
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:21,380
because if you break it down
from if you don't do maths or

548
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:22,870
English in time 6.
Now I don't think lots of

549
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,610
schools actually do this, I
think they do a little bit of

550
00:23:24,620 --> 00:23:27,360
maths or English, but imagine
you don't do master English for

551
00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:29,320
time 6 because you think you've
done this at.

552
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:34,120
Those children won't have done
maths or English for 14 weeks

553
00:23:34,350 --> 00:23:38,120
before they go to secondary
school 14 weeks now.

554
00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:40,480
We've had children before go on
holiday for a week and a half,

555
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:42,400
come back and we thought, gosh,
they're a bit behind and we

556
00:23:42,410 --> 00:23:45,990
really had to try and catch them
up. 14 weeks of no matter

557
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,410
English than going straight to
secondary school and thinking OK

558
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:51,840
and and the other thing that I
wanted to say is I think there's

559
00:23:51,850 --> 00:23:54,810
really important now to draw to
kind of separate two things

560
00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:56,640
because I completely agree with
what you're saying.

561
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:59,580
But what you're not saying is
that those schools wind down.

562
00:23:59,630 --> 00:24:01,220
I think there's two different
things here.

563
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:05,120
Those schools stay as highly,
you know, working as hard as

564
00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:07,510
possible.
But just another stuff you're

565
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,250
not saying.
Ohh yeah.

566
00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:10,700
This culture in year six is they
just wind down and don't worry

567
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:12,900
about master English.
No, they're working just as hard

568
00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:15,060
but on other things.
That that is really.

569
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,660
Be fair, genuinely true.
Because the kids don't actually

570
00:24:17,670 --> 00:24:20,960
do nothing in those scenarios.
They are still doing things.

571
00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:23,160
It's just that the focus is no
longer the Sats.

572
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:25,880
The focus like you said, might
be something else like building

573
00:24:25,890 --> 00:24:29,010
confidence.
I actually wrote down some pros

574
00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:32,420
and cons of specifically
thinking about the production at

575
00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:35,220
this point, but it kind of just
applies I guess to those

576
00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:38,740
typically like more creative
kind of end of year six, term

577
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:41,680
six kind of activities.
I want to share them with you.

578
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,340
So I wrote down some pros as
development and.

579
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:48,890
Element of confidence as you've
already said, creativity and

580
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,520
expression.
Because maths and English, when

581
00:24:51,530 --> 00:24:54,330
it gets really heavy, Maths and
English, I do feel like they're

582
00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:58,310
not the most creative expression
at subjects you do.

583
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,110
You do miss out on art and DT
and all that kind of stuff and I

584
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,920
feel like with productions you
get way more opportunity to do

585
00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:07,470
that sort of stuff and you get
lots of kids that then thrive in

586
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,710
those situations.
And also teamwork.

587
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,530
I have always found that the end
of term in all of the groups

588
00:25:13,540 --> 00:25:16,470
I've taught for some reason just
teamwork comes into play way

589
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,200
more and I always think.
We should be doing this all

590
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:21,700
year, like encouraging this
really good teamwork, but it

591
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:23,420
only seems to happen in term.
Six, they say.

592
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:26,360
Same, same teamwork again.
Teamwork.

593
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:30,330
And I was trying to get away
with it a little.

594
00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:33,680
Bit little pause, no, yeah.
But in terms of the cons though

595
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:36,160
and I'll just, I'll just see if
you agree.

596
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,230
The time commitment with
productions involved for whoever

597
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,830
ends up planning the production
is absolutely horrendous,

598
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,110
absolutely horrendous.
There are a lot of schools

599
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:51,290
nowadays that are just saying,
no, we're not, we're just not

600
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,010
doing a production.
We're just not doing it anymore.

601
00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:55,000
I've heard of there's been a
Lowe's online this year.

602
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:57,090
They've been like.
We're not doing a production

603
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,150
this year.
It costs the school quite a lot

604
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,520
of money, usually to buy in a
script unless you're lucky

605
00:26:01,530 --> 00:26:03,760
enough to have someone write it,
which is quite uncommon because

606
00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:07,700
it's a lesser big old job.
And God, just the amount of time

607
00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:09,310
that has to go into it outside
of school.

608
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,210
To get everything ready.
It's just on.

609
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:16,450
It's completely unreasonable and
I think it's so fair that people

610
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:18,850
say, no, we're not doing one.
And if anyone goes, ohh, you

611
00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:20,770
should be doing it for the kids.
OK, you do it then.

612
00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:24,020
Honestly, because it is so.
It is nothing to do with my job,

613
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,700
it's nothing to do with my job.
It's completely out of paid

614
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,810
hours.
The whole job is already paid

615
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:29,890
for.
Do you know what I mean?

616
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:31,370
Like that's the way I feel about
it.

617
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,150
It's almost like a favour.
It's like this is a completely

618
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,730
extra.
I don't think it should be an

619
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:38,130
expectation.
I really worry about these types

620
00:26:38,140 --> 00:26:40,570
of things in this profession
because I think we are at the

621
00:26:40,580 --> 00:26:43,600
crunch.
Right now of no one wanting to

622
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:46,140
do them and they're so
enriching.

623
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:49,450
Like I would be a bit gutted
honestly as a parent if I had a

624
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:52,350
child in year six and the school
turned around and said we're not

625
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,760
doing a production because it's
such an like, it's such an

626
00:26:54,770 --> 00:26:56,770
ingrained thing in our culture
that when you finish your six

627
00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:58,000
you go and watch your child do a
production.

628
00:26:58,010 --> 00:27:00,020
It's like a send off.
It's just the thing that's done.

629
00:27:00,270 --> 00:27:04,290
The biggest problem I find is
that we've got to remember the

630
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,350
context of the current situation
in terms of the strikes and the

631
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:11,530
funding in school and the decade
of squeeze, OK?

632
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,310
I think 15 years ago, 20 years
ago, it was a very well paid job

633
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,620
in terms of your lifestyle that
you could have from being a

634
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:20,990
teacher.
And the idea of volunteering to

635
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,610
do things was would have been
much more kind of appealing I

636
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:26,850
think because you think, well,
you know, I'm very comfortable

637
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,570
financially, absolutely fine.
I feel like I'm playing really

638
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:31,690
well for this job.
I love the idea of giving to my

639
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,690
kids and you know, I'm willing
to go the extra mile because

640
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:35,860
we're the type of people as
teachers who want to put on

641
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:38,490
these things for the children
because we like them and we want

642
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:40,950
to see them develop.
And I really worry and I wonder

643
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,130
what you think about this that.
You know, I've seen things

644
00:27:43,140 --> 00:27:45,220
online about the Duke of
Edinburgh Award and people are

645
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:46,700
asking uh, do I get paid for
this?

646
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:49,200
Because it's a huge amount of
time, it's a volunteered role,

647
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,950
you do it the weekend, you go
camping and people said do I do

648
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,450
I get paid for this because
those same people the week

649
00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:57,020
before had two day striking
because they're fed up of not

650
00:27:57,030 --> 00:27:59,690
being paid enough.
They lost £200 and then they're

651
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,150
thinking wait, what?
Why am I going on this Duke of

652
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,070
Edinburgh trip for the weekend?
For nothing.

653
00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:07,930
And I think that's what's being
squeezed now, right away now the

654
00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:10,840
the attitude, especially me.
I used to be the first one to

655
00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:12,640
say I'll come to a football
tournament at the weekend, I'll

656
00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:14,010
come to cross country at the
weekend.

657
00:28:14,380 --> 00:28:16,530
And I just don't now.
And you know what?

658
00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:20,240
I'd like to, but I just have
that little twink, little

659
00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:22,310
twinkling of justice, resentment
of justice.

660
00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:26,510
Yeah, you know, but I feel like
I'm get taken the mark.

661
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,130
Taken as a mug for what I get
paid for this job anyway.

662
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,510
So I'm sorry guys.
I'm going to go and do something

663
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,220
else in that time.
I'm going to go and shooter for

664
00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:34,650
an hour and actually make some
more money.

665
00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:37,390
So you know, it's not a nice
situation to be in.

666
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,930
I wish it was different, but I
completely get people who are

667
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:42,730
saying no, I'm going to put my
put my foot down.

668
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Sorry.
No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just

669
00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:49,780
putting my foot down.
I'm just putting my foot down,

670
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:50,840
OK?
Why?

671
00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:54,880
Can't I get through an episode
just saying words properly?

672
00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:58,490
My good friend James, I'm going
to say it now because this is a

673
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,420
really good time to say it had a
BBQ at the weekend and I,

674
00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:04,020
obviously you named dropped
James.

675
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:05,780
James is one of my very good
friends.

676
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:08,620
He listens to the podcast every
week and he was just, he was

677
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:10,620
saying, oh, I kind of wish you
said the name of my company.

678
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:12,500
So you don't need financial
planning if you want any.

679
00:29:12,540 --> 00:29:13,910
Mortgages.
I do need financial planning.

680
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,990
What's the name of the company?
Planning.

681
00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:19,050
You do.
Ohh that's there was coupling.

682
00:29:19,060 --> 00:29:22,590
Yes.
So James was very pleased.

683
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,750
And then my friend Liam, who was
hosting the BBQ was on the

684
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,310
barbecue and he was like, yeah,
you've said about three of my

685
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,740
stories or anecdotes about
mentioning me once.

686
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:32,480
And I was like, Liam, I'm going
to sell this story on the

687
00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:33,810
podcast.
There you go, mate.

688
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:35,130
I've done it.
There you go, Liam.

689
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,790
Thanks for listening, pal.
And next time don't be such a

690
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,310
sore loser.
You know, if you provide Hayden

691
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,570
with mortgage, then maybe you'll
get another name drop.

692
00:29:43,580 --> 00:29:45,680
But until then.
It's a shame we're gonna cut

693
00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:47,020
that whole segment because it
was so boring.

694
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:50,940
But we're going to move on now.
They'll have to get a mention

695
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:54,240
another time.
I think we're, I think we're

696
00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:57,280
done here in your here in our
rants about the production.

697
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,020
Should we talk about something
else?

698
00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:02,400
Yeah, I think I'm talking about
the production a bit more.

699
00:30:02,410 --> 00:30:05,000
OK, so I've got a few more cons.
Um.

700
00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:10,020
Actually have so unequal
opportunities for all is another

701
00:30:10,030 --> 00:30:11,100
car.
That's my point.

702
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:15,520
OK, that's a point, especially
in larger schools because really

703
00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:18,240
if you have like a three form or
four form entry school, that

704
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,520
means you have three or four
classes in the year group.

705
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:25,590
Are you really, is there really
a show out there where like 100

706
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,230
children can have a meaningful
role?

707
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,270
Probably not.
The most I've ever seen is like

708
00:30:31,340 --> 00:30:33,270
30 kids that have like a main
role.

709
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,650
And after that it's just it's
just you can't, you can't make a

710
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,420
story, a show with that many
main characters.

711
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:42,840
So what happens is tonnes of
kids spend 5 weeks when you're

712
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:45,520
when you're like preparing for
this show, basically sat on a

713
00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:48,890
bench occasionally joining in
with a song or or doing like a

714
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,230
choral thing and it's
horrendously boring for them.

715
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:55,550
Horrendously boring for them.
So that's a massive con that

716
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,720
really puts me off of doing
shows like that productions.

717
00:30:59,470 --> 00:31:02,600
And, um, not.
Yeah, like I said, not everyone

718
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:05,060
enjoys that.
And my last point we've kind of

719
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:06,990
talked about it was what happens
to the other subjects, but I

720
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,800
think we've sort of covered that
in our Term 6 discussion anyway

721
00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:11,620
really, But it's still a valid
point.

722
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,930
Another staple of end of year is
transition day, and we did talk

723
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:19,450
about that last week, Emily, and
we had it this week.

724
00:31:19,460 --> 00:31:21,030
We met our new classes for next
year.

725
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,710
It's always so exciting and
every single year that

726
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,410
excitement doesn't go for me.
And I really do look forward to

727
00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:29,960
meeting the kids for the first
time because when they're sat in

728
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:33,130
the classroom, you know,
beaming, they're always smiling.

729
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:35,020
They're always excited.
Might be few tears, but you can

730
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:38,170
get over that very quickly.
I absolutely love transition

731
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:39,550
day.
I love meeting my new class.

732
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,270
I love getting to know them.
How did you find it, Hayden?

733
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,100
Because obviously you're selling
6, so you had.

734
00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:46,170
A lot of children who I've
taught previously.

735
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,470
Yeah, exactly the same.
I like, I don't know what it is

736
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,050
about transition.
A lot of teachers get really

737
00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:52,570
nervous and I definitely have
have had those nerves in in the

738
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:54,630
past years, but they've kind of
gone now.

739
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,890
But I absolutely love transition
day for the exact same reason as

740
00:31:58,900 --> 00:31:59,940
you said.
I mean, we've got a bit of an

741
00:31:59,950 --> 00:32:03,470
advantage, I will say, because
being one of two male primary

742
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,270
school teachers in the school,
it just is an advantage for some

743
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,940
reason.
It's like the scarce scarcity.

744
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:12,410
Is that the right word?
It's like the scarcity of you

745
00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:14,420
one of two.
So I want that one because

746
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:16,570
there's not many of them.
And we just they just

747
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:19,640
immediately like, ohh, I've got
that teachers it's it's it's Mr

748
00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:22,130
Stevens or it's Mr. Price.
Which is always a really nice

749
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:25,280
feeling in a selfish way.
But they're on their best

750
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:28,250
behaviour so you get you get to
see them in their absolute best

751
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:30,170
light.
They couldn't be more happy and

752
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:32,670
excited and intrigued and
curious about being in there.

753
00:32:32,740 --> 00:32:36,480
I love me and the kids.
However, I will say not the best

754
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:38,970
start this year.
My kids have already already

755
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:42,530
completely and utterly rinsed me
already my next.

756
00:32:42,540 --> 00:32:44,810
Class.
There is such a theme here.

757
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:46,020
Well, it's are you just like
you.

758
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,370
Would be so, so lovely and
approachable that they just

759
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:49,230
think they can.
Absolutely.

760
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,500
Yeah but not in like a not in
like the classic one that you

761
00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:54,800
really get to know me that you
know maybe I'll make a bald joke

762
00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:56,860
and then they're like OK we can
make ball jokes because he made

763
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:58,130
a bold joke like that's
acceptable.

764
00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:00,340
It was nothing like that because
I would at this point in the I'd

765
00:33:00,350 --> 00:33:03,340
actually say to ohh that's rude.
Like don't you don't do that We

766
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:05,290
haven't made a bond yet we
haven't we haven't got mutual

767
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:07,530
respect but you don't do that.
That's not how you start a

768
00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:12,170
relationship with someone.
However my job share teacher who

769
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,560
was also in for transition day
put together just a really small

770
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:17,740
get to know you quiz just
something fun to get them.

771
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:20,610
Into the afternoon and she did
message me first and said can I

772
00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:22,610
get them to get our age.
And I was like, yeah, go for it,

773
00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:24,180
but I know what's going to
happen.

774
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:26,690
Here, she knew what she was.
Doing ohh yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:29,690
So just for context, Julie, who
I think listens to the podcast

776
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:30,680
as well.
So hi Julian.

777
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:31,690
Thanks for doing this.
It's very.

778
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,440
Funny Julie Lovely Julie.
You know what?

779
00:33:33,670 --> 00:33:36,470
Can I say very quickly, Julie,
the queen of the meme.

780
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:38,590
I must say the queen of the
meme.

781
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,560
If I ever get a message from
Julie, it's going to be some

782
00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:41,760
kind of meme.
Wow.

783
00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:43,460
And she never messages you, so
that's weird.

784
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:47,530
So she put together this little
quiz and the and just for

785
00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:48,770
context and she won't mind me
saying.

786
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,380
He's 38, I'm 30.
So she put the first question

787
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:55,200
was how old do you think she is?
And it was on Kahoot.

788
00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:59,820
So there were four options on
this quiz and there were 273038

789
00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:02,500
and 44.
And it was the same options for

790
00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:04,890
both of us.
And they were very kind to her.

791
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:07,760
And she does look very young.
Anyway, Julie does not look 38,

792
00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:11,000
So the kids naturally went for
30, which was probably an

793
00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:12,980
appropriate guess for what she
looks like.

794
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:15,320
And it was like, OK, fair
enough, OK Or they're just being

795
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:16,699
nice because, you know, it's
transition day.

796
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:18,030
I was thinking, right.
They've been nice.

797
00:34:18,070 --> 00:34:20,860
Comes to me, right, Same
question, same options.

798
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:23,199
I'll stand into the side of the
classroom at this point, kind of

799
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:25,810
looking over the shoulders of a
couple of boys and how much this

800
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:28,100
one boy and and this is what he
was doing.

801
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:30,520
If you're not watching then
tough he was going.

802
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,489
Hate is hovering his finger over
two options.

803
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:37,790
Right, yeah.
Hovering his finger over two

804
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,000
options, I looked at them a bit
more like, you know, squinting.

805
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:45,530
Have a look, 44 and 38.
I was like, he's he's wondering

806
00:34:45,540 --> 00:34:48,310
seriously, ohh, which one is it?
And then confidently.

807
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,260
Yeah. 44.
Ohh, I think.

808
00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:53,310
All right, yeah.
Cheers, mate.

809
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:56,090
Yeah, we've got the funny one.
Got the Joker in the classroom.

810
00:34:56,100 --> 00:35:00,190
Have we looked at the screen?
It shows the results 50 to about

811
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,730
60% of them 44.
OK.

812
00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:06,350
And they weren't.
They weren't even ripping you.

813
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,130
They were like.
Yeah, I know some of them might

814
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:11,670
have been trying to be funny
that many of them, though, no,

815
00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:14,740
there's not 50% jokers in that
classroom on the first day.

816
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:17,360
That's that's ballsy.
They just thought I was 44.

817
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:19,580
So I cried.
And I did.

818
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:22,430
Yeah.
Well on that note I guess

819
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,060
because I'm thinking about how I
how I was on transition day

820
00:35:25,070 --> 00:35:27,330
because I assume you obviously
didn't take that to heart, you

821
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:29,780
weren't then mean to the.
Children, Of course not.

822
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:31,650
Don't.
Care and it it made me think

823
00:35:31,660 --> 00:35:33,740
about when I was in the
classroom, the children, because

824
00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:36,080
it was the 1st 1520 minutes of
them being in the room.

825
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:39,810
And I don't know about you, but
on transition day there's a lot

826
00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:42,330
of different things that you can
kind of do as a as a teacher and

827
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:44,560
there's always a lot of teachers
asking online well what what's a

828
00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:45,960
good thing to do in transition
day?

829
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:49,260
What's seen as a sensible thing
to do with your children and for

830
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:51,140
right or for wrong.
And I'll be interested what your

831
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:55,710
opinion is Hayden.
I make it my aim to make sure

832
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,130
those children can go home and
when their parents say ohh you

833
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:00,890
meet your new teacher, how was
it today?

834
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,740
I want the first thing they say
to their mum or dad or whoever

835
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:07,220
it is asking them to be.
Oh my gosh it was the best we

836
00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:08,890
did.
We did this with like

837
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:12,970
overwhelmingly positive and as a
result I think perhaps maybe

838
00:36:12,980 --> 00:36:15,130
sometimes, I don't know, but
this is just the way I am and

839
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:16,610
that's what I think works for
me.

840
00:36:16,690 --> 00:36:22,270
I am overly silly, overly
ridiculous and just constantly

841
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,510
trying to make them.
After trying to be a bit funny,

842
00:36:24,830 --> 00:36:27,010
but also, you know, setting
those routines and those

843
00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:28,780
standards and I think you can do
both.

844
00:36:28,850 --> 00:36:30,680
And I wonder what your opinion
is, Hayden, because there's a

845
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:33,880
lot of chat in the teaching
world about where's that line,

846
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:36,180
where do you go?
Well, there's an old saying,

847
00:36:36,190 --> 00:36:37,640
isn't there, Dylan?
And I know you would have heard

848
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:40,060
it, and most teachers out there
will, if you want, not a

849
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:41,480
teacher.
You might even have heard this

850
00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:44,520
phrase anyway, which is don't
smile until Christmas.

851
00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:46,880
And that's a very old piece of
advice.

852
00:36:46,890 --> 00:36:49,690
It was actually some advice I
was genuinely given, really near

853
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,110
the start of my career.
Don't smile until Christmas and

854
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,570
breaking that.
Down all it.

855
00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:58,510
All it suggests is you don't do
what Dylan has done there.

856
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,750
You go in very hard with your
expectations, very stern.

857
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,170
You don't show your nice side,
yet you don't make them laugh

858
00:37:06,220 --> 00:37:09,470
because you set this precedent,
which is going to work in terms

859
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,130
of they're going to be a bit
more bit careful about how they

860
00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:15,930
behave in your classroom.
They have very high expectations

861
00:37:15,940 --> 00:37:18,440
of themselves thinking, OK, this
teacher strict, like we've got

862
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:21,750
to work hard this year and the
idea is that's going to be

863
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,410
better for you and teaching them
which isn't.

864
00:37:24,490 --> 00:37:28,560
Strictly untrue.
But I don't like it and I don't

865
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:31,540
think, I think it comes back
down to I think we've had this

866
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:34,700
conversation in the past of like
this whole demanding respect

867
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:38,260
versus earning respect kind of
thing in my head.

868
00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:42,070
And I think that falls into the
category of the whole mantra of

869
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,660
like, yeah, I demand respect and
this is how this is how I do it.

870
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:48,720
I don't really like it.
I do think there is an element

871
00:37:48,730 --> 00:37:51,010
of it which is true.
Like for example, earlier when I

872
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:53,560
said I wouldn't, I would be
cross if someone made a ball

873
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:57,420
joke to me, Yeah, in that new
class versus someone in my

874
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:59,030
current class.
Won't be cross at all, as long

875
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,880
as it was in the right sort of
time and place, and they need to

876
00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:03,260
understand that context.
But it would be cross if it was

877
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:05,020
a new one because, like, you
haven't developed a relationship

878
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:07,180
with me yet, which means you're
literally just taking the Mick

879
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:08,930
to try and get a rise.
I'll try and get a laugh at

880
00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:10,760
other people.
That's not, that's not nice.

881
00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:12,740
That's not how humans are
supposed to interact.

882
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:15,470
So it would be a little bit
stricter in that in that

883
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,910
scenario.
But I certainly don't follow the

884
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,930
advice of don't smile until
Christmas.

885
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:22,110
I don't think new teachers
should be given that advice.

886
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,170
I think it's poor advice that is
not going to allow you to

887
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:29,070
develop a meaningful, real
relationship with the kids.

888
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,030
I think they'll see right
through it and just think it's

889
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,420
an act and not respect you for
it.

890
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:37,300
Yeah, a lot of people as well
who I speak to, who aren't

891
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:40,050
teachers necessarily, and I
thought the same myself when

892
00:38:40,060 --> 00:38:42,180
they were saying this.
When you think back to your

893
00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:45,810
teachers at school, I I feel
like I can really easily tell

894
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:48,880
those who were genuine and
lovely and nice and kind and

895
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:52,340
enjoy teaching, apart from the
ones who I think we're putting

896
00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:55,400
on a bit of an act being
honestly just just a bit mean.

897
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:58,900
And I felt like those teachers
didn't want to be in the room

898
00:38:58,910 --> 00:39:01,920
almost and almost like it was a
chore for them to do their job.

899
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:05,040
And I I very, very clearly
sorry, remember.

900
00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:07,890
I was thinking, why?
Why are you in that you don't

901
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,570
like children?
You don't seem to like me or any

902
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:12,450
of us here.
What on earth are you doing?

903
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:14,750
And clearly they were following
that, that advice of just, you

904
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,850
know, be really strict.
You're there to get results out

905
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:20,230
of them, which is true.
But I think for my style that

906
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,900
involves building really good
bonds with the children, making

907
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:27,070
them enjoy being in school, but
also maintaining those really,

908
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,690
really strong standards, those
really high standards.

909
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,510
And I don't think it's either
or.

910
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:34,930
I think you can have those
really, really rigid barriers,

911
00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:36,920
but still.
Try and get on with your class

912
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:39,040
and try and enjoy their company
because guess what?

913
00:39:39,090 --> 00:39:41,640
You're going to be spending
hundreds of hours with them.

914
00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:45,000
Why do you want a dynamic where
you're kind of controlling it in

915
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:47,910
terms of no, no, you're way
below me where I am and it's

916
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,180
because I say that's true and
you're going to do this right

917
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:52,060
now.
It just makes me feel

918
00:39:52,070 --> 00:39:53,460
uncomfortable.
I don't know.

919
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:55,660
It's definitely something I've
developed and it's taken me a

920
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:58,340
long time, probably longer than
the average teacher I think.

921
00:39:58,350 --> 00:40:03,590
I reckon for me to develop that
actual line, I think when I

922
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,010
started my career for the first
couple of years I was way too

923
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:09,910
friendly.
Like way too friendly and pally

924
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,260
with the kids.
And I remember being observed

925
00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:14,460
and someone's feet and I got
really uptight about it, as I

926
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:15,980
always do.
I, you know, very defensive

927
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:17,680
person.
I hate it about myself, but I

928
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:21,720
just am quite defensive.
And and they and some of their

929
00:40:21,730 --> 00:40:25,120
feedback, it was in my NQT year.
My first year of teaching was

930
00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:27,540
yeah, it was you know, we liked
this and this and this.

931
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:30,800
You shouldn't let that that
child spoke to you in this way.

932
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:33,440
That child spoke to you in this
way and that was not good.

933
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:36,740
And in my head I was like.
I remember exactly what the

934
00:40:36,750 --> 00:40:38,640
person said.
I'm at this boy said he was just

935
00:40:38,650 --> 00:40:41,540
like making a joke he but he
shouted out it was mid meat

936
00:40:41,550 --> 00:40:43,510
teaching.
I just kind of responded to it

937
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,630
as a bit of banter like you
would like a friend like you

938
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,490
interrupted me.
I'd respond to it in that way

939
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:51,030
but there's people watching, the
teachers watching it didn't like

940
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,710
it and I remember being like
well you don't have the right

941
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:54,890
mantra.
That's just difference of

942
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,090
opinions.
You just don't know you're

943
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:57,320
doing.
I'm developing a nice

944
00:40:57,330 --> 00:40:59,460
relationship with that kid and
you clearly just don't do that.

945
00:41:00,150 --> 00:41:03,090
But looking back, they were
absolutely 100% right.

946
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:06,260
That kid crossed the line and
ended up disturbing everyone

947
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:08,590
learning.
But I I took it.

948
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,480
I valued way more.
Ohh, I don't want the kid not to

949
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:13,630
like me.
Don't kid not to like me.

950
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,310
So I'm not gonna tell them off.
I'm just gonna be like, yeah,

951
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,510
yeah, and then like return the
banter and then carry on and

952
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,850
hope they don't shout out again,
Which obviously they did.

953
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,710
Of course they did.
And then all of the children

954
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,770
start shouting out and and
generally being disrespectful.

955
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:28,310
So there has to be a line.
But it took me a long time to

956
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,410
develop that line.
But I like to think I didn't go

957
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:34,910
too far and stop having any kind
of fun.

958
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,910
Stop earning their respect by
being nice and being silly and

959
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,430
having jokes and stuff like that
with them.

960
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,430
I don't know about you.
Did you feel like you had the

961
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:42,860
same?
Sort of.

962
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,370
Journey of that.
I don't know what it was like

963
00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:48,740
really for you.
Yeah, very much so.

964
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:51,940
I think I, I I'm not trying to
dig you out at all because you

965
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:54,540
said this a million times, but I
think you definitely were

966
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:57,400
someone who you really did like.
You know, the idea of being

967
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:59,140
liked and being that teacher
who's like, ohh, yeah.

968
00:41:59,210 --> 00:42:01,070
And so do I.
Like don't get me wrong, I love

969
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,190
that.
But I was very conscious of

970
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:07,330
trying to keep those standards
consistent.

971
00:42:07,340 --> 00:42:09,380
That's what I focused on.
I think for the first few years

972
00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:12,270
of my career was I was a bit
inconsistent with those

973
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,720
standards and and I kind of had
them there, but like you, I'd

974
00:42:15,730 --> 00:42:18,870
kind of let it slip at times.
And then it was really unfair of

975
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,210
me when I then decided those
standards came back in the next

976
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:23,180
day.
And and I realised that was

977
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:25,750
really weak practise for me
because I would accept it at

978
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,310
points where I felt like in the
mood to have a bit of a joke.

979
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:30,800
But then I wouldn't accept it at
other points where I thought, oh

980
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:32,210
gosh no, I really want to get
this done.

981
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:34,890
And that wasn't a consistent
message for the children.

982
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,290
And I think at me trying to call
them out for doing something

983
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:40,580
which for the last two days I
for some reason just thought it

984
00:42:40,590 --> 00:42:44,310
was acceptable, really kind of
ruined that expectation dynamic

985
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,910
of the behaviour now I think
getting children to like you.

986
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:50,220
Isn't the hardest thing in the
world, is it?

987
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:52,640
Realistically, you've just got
to be a bit silly, you know,

988
00:42:52,650 --> 00:42:54,980
talk about what they want to
talk about and they'll enjoy it.

989
00:42:55,070 --> 00:42:57,500
And there's a little bit in
there of the children like you,

990
00:42:57,510 --> 00:43:00,880
because ohh, I can shout out to
Mr. Price and that's not

991
00:43:00,890 --> 00:43:03,820
acceptable like you said.
And if I had to give, if I had

992
00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:08,830
to give any kind of advice to to
teachers who are new, is to do

993
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,340
not budge from the expectations
that you set.

994
00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:13,180
Now you can set what
expectations you like.

995
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:14,920
There's always usually a bare
minimum.

996
00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:18,770
For us it's do not talk when
someone else is talking, do not.

997
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,100
Count out.
Do not go out.

998
00:43:20,110 --> 00:43:22,300
If you see you know, they're
they're like the what I can

999
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:24,880
distil it down to don't just get
up out of your seat for no

1000
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:27,700
reason.
And I think being really,

1001
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:29,720
really, really strong and
setting those on transition day

1002
00:43:29,730 --> 00:43:32,290
is really important.
But there's absolutely no reason

1003
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:33,860
why.
I, on transition day, for

1004
00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:37,400
example, just walked around the
room and I did like 5 minutes of

1005
00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:39,640
just getting the children's
names wrong on purpose.

1006
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,480
And it was absolutely,
absolutely the only reason was

1007
00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:45,740
to make them laugh and you know,
just getting the wrong letter at

1008
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:46,980
the front and then calling
someone.

1009
00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:49,920
I had about for the first time.
I had about 8:00 kids in my

1010
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:51,480
class.
While I have taught their older

1011
00:43:51,490 --> 00:43:53,530
siblings where I've been
teaching for long enough now.

1012
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,110
So I spent the whole time
calling them their siblings name

1013
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,180
and they loved it and it was
hilarious to them And they're

1014
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:59,790
like what?
That's not my name, that's my

1015
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,250
sister's there.
What are you doing?

1016
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,260
But it was funny but if someone
then shouted out and they said

1017
00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:10,310
ohh my names are very quickly
said ohh no we don't do that.

1018
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,640
If I'm talking you've got to
listen.

1019
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,970
Yeah if I'm talking to you, you
can talk and if you've got

1020
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:17,100
something to say you can stick
your hand up and if we have time

1021
00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:19,790
we'll talk about it.
But you can't shout out can you

1022
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,350
Jenny?
And I'd get their name.

1023
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:23,540
And they'll laugh again.
And it was fine, yeah, but it's

1024
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:27,200
still just getting those
expectations in line and not

1025
00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:29,310
budging from them.
But it doesn't mean you don't

1026
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,940
have to smile.
Yeah, I agree.

1027
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:32,600
I I love.
I love that approach, by the

1028
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:33,900
way.
It's something I try to do all

1029
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:35,540
the time.
When you want to say something

1030
00:44:35,550 --> 00:44:37,560
serious and just reading the
room as well, like you gotta

1031
00:44:37,570 --> 00:44:39,710
know the kids.
Like I've got, I've got boys in

1032
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,970
my class and over the years
certainly, who just don't want

1033
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:44,960
to take that shirt in.
Obviously I was like that.

1034
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:46,260
Why would you want to tuck your
shirt in?

1035
00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:48,970
It's not comfortable.
You don't care what it looks

1036
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:49,770
like.
It's a uniform.

1037
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:51,390
Like, why would a kid ever care
about that?

1038
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:54,270
Which I fully empathise with.
Yeah, but rather than just

1039
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,370
constantly being tuck your shirt
in and being like straight, I

1040
00:44:58,380 --> 00:45:02,290
always just, I always say, oh,
whoa, nice dress, you're going

1041
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:05,210
to tuck it in, just something
silly if they got a long shirt

1042
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:08,240
on because it's like, it looks
like a dress and then I'm like,

1043
00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:10,250
oh, you got, you got your big
shirt on, you grow into it,

1044
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:12,520
whatever.
And they're just like, oh, it's

1045
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:14,540
funny, but but the but the
message still gets across.

1046
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:16,460
Ohh, you calling address.
But it's just a shirt.

1047
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:16,910
Yeah.
Yeah.

1048
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,540
OK, yeah.
OK.

1049
00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:19,350
So take your shirt in now and
then.

1050
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,600
But then it's dead serious like
you said.

1051
00:45:20,610 --> 00:45:22,960
If they didn't then do it, I'd
then immediately flip back to

1052
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:24,200
you.
OK, you actually got stuck in

1053
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:25,670
though.
Get that down before you sit

1054
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,010
down.
But I like the adjust approach

1055
00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:30,450
of trying to be a bit like do a
little bit silly is ingest.

1056
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:31,850
I'm not constantly telling you
off.

1057
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:35,180
You know there's there's there
we can we can be a bit silly as

1058
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:36,620
long as you actually follow the
rules and.

1059
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:37,140
And be.
Yeah.

1060
00:45:37,150 --> 00:45:40,400
And I think like you said,
Hayden, that's what took took me

1061
00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:44,320
a few years and maybe for you as
well is being really consistent.

1062
00:45:44,330 --> 00:45:46,600
And I just want to go back to
that point again for anyone

1063
00:45:46,610 --> 00:45:48,800
listening who's thinking, oh
gosh, I want to be that teacher

1064
00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:51,840
who's nice and care for their
children because I love these

1065
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:52,940
children, I love working with
them.

1066
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:55,400
And I don't want to be seen as
this, you know, wicked person

1067
00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:57,160
who's just constantly moaning at
them.

1068
00:45:57,330 --> 00:46:00,320
I think, you know, it's not easy
and it will take time and it

1069
00:46:00,330 --> 00:46:02,350
will take a few years probably
for you to absolutely get it

1070
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,440
right for you.
But consistency is the number

1071
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:09,240
one thing I'd say is if you say
something is expected in your

1072
00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:12,920
classroom, it has to always be
expected for everyone.

1073
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:16,180
And if you have any exceptions,
then you can deal with that.

1074
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:19,040
You can deal with that child in
whatever way, deal with each

1075
00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:21,000
child individually.
Doesn't have to be this

1076
00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:23,560
draconian rule, but it has to be
consistent and fair.

1077
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:26,220
And you have to, in my opinion,
I've said this a lot of times in

1078
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:28,520
this podcast.
I don't think children are

1079
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:30,920
beneath explanation.
No, I, you know, I think we can

1080
00:46:30,930 --> 00:46:34,320
explain to them exactly why we
expect that, and I think that.

1081
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:35,870
Reasoning helps in the long.
Run.

1082
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,030
Funny enough, that leads
perfectly into what I was just

1083
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,100
thinking as you were talking
then, which is I've casually

1084
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:44,130
developed this really strong
meta approach to teaching.

1085
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:47,230
I do it all the time now, all
the time where I am.

1086
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,590
It's like I just stopped for a
second and I explain precisely

1087
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,130
what I'm thinking to them and
why I'm doing something and

1088
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:56,390
what's going to happen if this
happens or whatever route we go

1089
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,590
down.
And I just find it works a lot

1090
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,930
of the time.
Just like, oh, actually going to

1091
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:02,580
stop for a second because what's
happening right now is this

1092
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:04,750
table.
Keep talking over me and if that

1093
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,070
keeps happening.
My mood is going to go down and

1094
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,840
all of this fun we're having is
just going to stop.

1095
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,120
We're not going to do this
anymore because I'm not prepared

1096
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:14,120
to teach you and have a bit of a
laugh with you if you don't have

1097
00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:15,680
any respect for me at the at the
front.

1098
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:19,390
So I can quite easily slip back
into let's just work silently

1099
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,160
and do this and do whatever.
Or you can have a bit of

1100
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:25,330
respect, don't talk when I'm
talking and we can carry on

1101
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:26,920
having fun.
And like you said, then I'll go

1102
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:29,640
straight back into a joke
because I've got my point across

1103
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:32,520
now, and then I'll say something
silly again, but they understand

1104
00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:34,630
it and then if they were silly
again, like you said, you have

1105
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,030
to stick to expectations.
If they then completely ignore

1106
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,370
that.
Yeah, OK, whatever.

1107
00:47:38,380 --> 00:47:39,350
And then carried on doing
anything.

1108
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,950
Ohh.
No, I've told you once, I'm not

1109
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,470
saying it again.
So we're going to stop now.

1110
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,540
So everyone stop.
Close your book, do whatever

1111
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:47,030
you're doing.
You just go back into and you

1112
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,590
have to stick to it, even if
you're not really cross, not

1113
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,430
really crossing that moment.
I don't really care.

1114
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,660
But it's part of the act and and
I'm trying to teach these

1115
00:47:54,670 --> 00:47:59,750
children, I'm trying to teach
them how to socialise, how to be

1116
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,270
in a room full of 30 people and
have respect for the person

1117
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,950
speaking or the people around
them.

1118
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,880
Like we have to teach these kids
these things.

1119
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:09,950
They don't just know them.
Some kids will pick it up, but

1120
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,400
most people don't just know how
to do that.

1121
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:14,910
You have to show them and teach
them.

1122
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:19,180
And when you say you don't care,
I'm gonna clarify it for you,

1123
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:21,240
because I know you do care.
You do care that the children

1124
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:23,540
learn to do that.
I assume you mean you don't

1125
00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:25,580
personally take offence.
At that's what I think.

1126
00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:28,420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think a lot of I felt a

1127
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:30,800
lot of the time at school that
there were just a few teachers

1128
00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:33,740
who had just personal vendetta
and like really took it

1129
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:35,840
personally.
And I just, you know, that's up

1130
00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:36,920
to them.
Fine, whatever.

1131
00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:39,740
But I just think from my point
of view, these are children who

1132
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:42,560
I'm trying to teach you how to
behave as well as what to learn.

1133
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:44,160
And that's part of the job, you
know?

1134
00:48:44,170 --> 00:48:47,860
Would you get annoyed if a child
really sat there and didn't know

1135
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:49,070
how to do short?
Classification.

1136
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,580
After you talked to them?
No, you wouldn't.

1137
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:53,360
You'd help them doing it.
So if a child is consistently

1138
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:56,530
still not following the class
rules, I see it as the teacher's

1139
00:48:56,540 --> 00:48:59,270
job to help them get to the
point where they can follow the

1140
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,120
class rules properly, deciding
to get angry over that.

1141
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:05,220
I'm not saying I never get angry
because I'm a human being.

1142
00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:07,500
It can get frustrating when it
seems something as simple as

1143
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:10,140
don't shout out.
But some children struggle with

1144
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:13,340
that, and I always have the
mantra of trying to treat that

1145
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:15,820
as a learning opportunity, just
like if they don't get

1146
00:49:15,830 --> 00:49:18,380
fractions.
Something I always say to my new

1147
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:21,270
maths class actually.
Every year, right at the start,

1148
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,930
because also because I'm very
aware that just children have a

1149
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:26,230
lot of maths anxiety in this
country and I like to try and

1150
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,970
make them enjoy the subject,
something I'll always always say

1151
00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:32,430
to them and I think it works is.
I'll say right everyone stop.

1152
00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:37,920
If like my my rules for my
classroom, if you are listening

1153
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:39,910
and taking part in this lesson
and you don't understand

1154
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,840
something, I will never ever,
ever, ever get cross at you for

1155
00:49:42,850 --> 00:49:45,760
asking for help or not having
any clue of what you're doing

1156
00:49:45,870 --> 00:49:48,200
and therefore not producing the
same as everyone else.

1157
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:50,280
If I feel like you've just given
it a go and you've listened.

1158
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:54,890
If the exact same end scenario
happens, and it's because you've

1159
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,600
consistently been messing around
in the lesson, you've been told

1160
00:49:57,610 --> 00:49:59,690
four times to start doing
something you haven't listened,

1161
00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:01,090
I'm going to get really cross at
you.

1162
00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:03,500
That's it.
There's the there's the two

1163
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:05,170
scenarios.
Like you both ended up with the

1164
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:07,800
same finished piece of work.
This person I'm gonna go sit

1165
00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:08,920
down with.
I'm gonna be really nice.

1166
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:10,900
I'm gonna help them.
This person, you're gonna come

1167
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:12,120
back at lunch time.
You're gonna do it and I'm

1168
00:50:12,130 --> 00:50:13,280
gonna, I'm gonna make sure you
do it.

1169
00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:15,900
You waste your time.
Because you've been rude and

1170
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:18,040
it's like and I just like to
distinguish that with the kids

1171
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:21,240
because sometimes they just need
to understand that even though

1172
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:25,660
the outcome is the same.
You know as in like their work

1173
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:28,940
my my response both different.
Yeah, they've both done 4

1174
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:29,600
questions.
They.

1175
00:50:29,610 --> 00:50:32,180
Say Yeah, yeah, exactly that.
Because you get that.

1176
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:34,640
You get that kid that goes.
What you're keeping them in.

1177
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:36,650
Why have they only done three?
I've done 5.

1178
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:39,500
Literally done more work.
Always get that kids, don't you?

1179
00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:41,300
That's such an impression of
that kid.

1180
00:50:41,310 --> 00:50:42,890
We know that kid.
Everyone knows that kid.

1181
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:45,060
But did you look at it?
He wasn't even.

1182
00:50:45,070 --> 00:50:46,760
He's copied.
He's doing 3.

1183
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:48,960
And I'm thinking like, he
doesn't know.

1184
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:51,390
Yeah, they copied because
they're really struggling and

1185
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,180
they're really anxious now about
getting it wrong.

1186
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:54,740
They just want to do the right
thing.

1187
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:57,810
They've been listening really
hard and I'm not going to tell

1188
00:50:57,820 --> 00:51:00,360
them off because I know that.
But this kid said here is the

1189
00:51:00,370 --> 00:51:01,970
Ohh, that's just not just this
is it.

1190
00:51:02,110 --> 00:51:04,420
I've done more because they
think the only important thing

1191
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:06,690
is the outcome in the.
Book and I think that's like

1192
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,400
kind of honestly by the
profession.

1193
00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:12,040
We drill that into them a little
bit because it's something I've

1194
00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:13,560
changed in my career off my own
back.

1195
00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:15,370
So I don't like it.
And it's linked exactly to what

1196
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:18,600
you just said, a huge thing said
to ECT and I can see why.

1197
00:51:18,610 --> 00:51:22,290
And it does work to a degree, is
you always set expectations when

1198
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:24,560
you start a task.
So you'll start a task often you

1199
00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:26,280
say, right, I need everyone to
get to at least.

1200
00:51:26,350 --> 00:51:28,350
Question 5.
And and, And the reason that

1201
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,140
we're taught to say that is so
that every child has something

1202
00:51:31,150 --> 00:51:33,990
to work towards.
Yeah, but who are we kidding

1203
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,330
when we pretend that that's an
acceptable thing to do in terms

1204
00:51:37,340 --> 00:51:40,890
of differentiation and
children's needs and children's

1205
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:44,360
ability to get that far.
You know exactly what you just

1206
00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:48,470
said, one child might get to 5.
And I'll let them go to lunch.

1207
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,860
So I'm using that old rule.
Hmm.

1208
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:53,280
Another child gets to four, but
has worked so hard.

1209
00:51:53,290 --> 00:51:55,310
And and, you know, maybe it's
just a bit slow because they're

1210
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,140
really taking their time.
They're thinking, what's the

1211
00:51:57,150 --> 00:51:59,140
best use of the conjunction
maybe in that sentence.

1212
00:51:59,230 --> 00:52:01,480
And I've completely flipped how
I do that now.

1213
00:52:01,570 --> 00:52:03,650
And I say something really
simple to the children, but I

1214
00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:06,340
still say it every day.
When we start a task, I say to

1215
00:52:06,350 --> 00:52:09,240
them, OK, guys, we're about to
do the task now.

1216
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:11,340
And I'm watching all of you
working.

1217
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:15,700
And if you work hard for the
next 15 minutes, that's amazing.

1218
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:17,650
Thank you so much.
If you work your hardest and try

1219
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:20,220
your hardest. 15 minutes.
That's all I want from you.

1220
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,630
But if I remotely think that
you're not working hard, you're

1221
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,770
being a distraction, distraction
to your partner or you're not

1222
00:52:26,780 --> 00:52:30,330
putting your top effort in, then
that's when I'm going to have a

1223
00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:32,410
problem and I'm going to have to
talk to you and ask why it's

1224
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:34,210
happening.
If you're stuck, put your hand

1225
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:37,030
up and I'll help you straight
away or I'll get your partner to

1226
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,050
help you or I'll sort it out.
So I've.

1227
00:52:39,060 --> 00:52:41,590
I've just flipped that.
I think it it loses a bit for

1228
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,930
some children because some
children do like Question 5.

1229
00:52:43,940 --> 00:52:45,840
But you know what?
I go up to those three kids and

1230
00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:48,610
I say, I think you can get to
question 5 today or I'll draw.

1231
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:50,340
You know, just draw a little
line.

1232
00:52:50,530 --> 00:52:53,340
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that's when you're

1233
00:52:53,350 --> 00:52:55,570
starting as an act cool.
Set that, you know, five

1234
00:52:55,580 --> 00:52:56,640
questions.
Awesome.

1235
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:58,500
But don't be afraid to move away
from that.

1236
00:52:58,510 --> 00:53:00,490
Once you learn your children and
once you know what they're up to

1237
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:02,520
and you can actually, you know,
for this child here, I'm going

1238
00:53:02,530 --> 00:53:04,520
to work with them and I'm going
to say to them straight away, we

1239
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:05,930
don't have to get to Question 5
today.

1240
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:08,380
We're going to do as much as we
can and that child immediately

1241
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:10,020
at ease.
Yeah, no, I agree.

1242
00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:12,910
I couldn't agree more and I
think my my sort of practise has

1243
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,210
changed in the same way.
I try not to do minimum

1244
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:18,620
expectations anymore in terms of
quantity of work and it is just

1245
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:20,420
about quality of.
Their effort and.

1246
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,050
And the work they're producing,
I agree.

1247
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:27,670
So Dylan, I know you really want
to talk about the kind of like

1248
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,540
the saying goodbye part of the
end of term 6, but there's just

1249
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:32,860
one more thing because it's
super relevant right now,

1250
00:53:33,070 --> 00:53:36,220
particularly for year six
teachers is SAS and SATS

1251
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:38,310
results.
So at the end of term 6 you get

1252
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,480
your SATS results for the school
which can be the cause of a lot

1253
00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:45,480
of stress, a lot of pressure,
you know just like a mixed

1254
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:47,820
emotions.
And we quite often see online in

1255
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:50,820
Facebook groups some of the
admins will say things like

1256
00:53:50,830 --> 00:53:54,870
please just bear in mind not
everyone's gonna don't brag.

1257
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:57,090
Basically about results.
Not everyone's gonna be in as

1258
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:58,780
good a position as you and some
people are gonna be feeling

1259
00:53:58,790 --> 00:54:01,800
really rubbish about the results
that they've got and they're

1260
00:54:01,810 --> 00:54:04,870
just not gonna wanna see it.
But it is a big thing.

1261
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:07,350
Our Sats results came out this
week and.

1262
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,570
Everyone's worried.
I can't.

1263
00:54:09,580 --> 00:54:10,750
I can't pretend I wasn't
worried.

1264
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,190
I'm not gonna say like, yeah,
no, I'm just cool is what it is.

1265
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,070
Of course I was worried.
You taught these kids for a

1266
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,140
whole year and we know that's
the big thing, that we haven't

1267
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:22,450
used six and it was quite scary.
But one thing I did want to talk

1268
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:28,050
about was Sophie, as in Sophie
Bartlett, who we interviewed.

1269
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:29,950
I hate the word interviewed.
We need a better word.

1270
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,970
Interviewed, we had a chat.
We had a chat.

1271
00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:34,660
We had a chat with Sophie a few
episodes ago, so go back and

1272
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:36,090
listen.
It was a really good episode.

1273
00:54:37,450 --> 00:54:40,000
Number one now, by the way, #1,
it's overtaken.

1274
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:42,060
Is it our Dylan's?
Obsessed with our stats?

1275
00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:44,380
Is our number one.
I love numbers #1.

1276
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:47,760
Listen to episodes, So big up
Sophie for that one.

1277
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:51,620
But she released an analysis
today which was really a really

1278
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:53,750
good read.
She released it on the Learning

1279
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,650
by Questions website, which is
quite cool.

1280
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:59,730
And yeah, anyway, so in our
analysis, it was really

1281
00:54:59,740 --> 00:55:03,260
interesting because this year
and a lot of you might remember

1282
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:05,650
from one of our earlier episodes
where we talked about how

1283
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:08,890
difficult.
The reading paper was this year.

1284
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:13,160
It caused a lot of controversy
but the pass marks for each of

1285
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:17,150
the papers went down quite a
bit. 5 marks in reading Dylan.

1286
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,730
So it's out of 50.
So for the past month to drop by

1287
00:55:20,740 --> 00:55:23,040
5 marks, that's that's quite a
chunk, yes.

1288
00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:24,700
What do they go from?
And two for everyone.

1289
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:28,610
Who's In 2022, the Reading Pass
mark was 29 out of 50.

1290
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,750
And this year has gone down by
5:00.

1291
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,000
So it was 24 out of 50, not the
lowest ever.

1292
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:35,160
The lowest ever was 21 out of 50
back in two.

1293
00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:37,610
Thousand was that 2016?
Yeah, a bit of an anomaly.

1294
00:55:37,620 --> 00:55:39,840
Famously tricky.
Yeah, Yeah, so I thought was

1295
00:55:39,850 --> 00:55:41,830
interesting and it went down in
the other papers as well.

1296
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,440
All except for a + 1 in the
grammar punctuation spelling

1297
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:48,170
paper, which is out of 70s.
I'm going up by 1.

1298
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:49,770
Mark is very insignificant
really.

1299
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:53,310
But the thing I thought was so
interesting in her article and

1300
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,810
it's so interesting that I
wanted to share it in this, and

1301
00:55:55,820 --> 00:56:00,180
I know you'll be fascinated as
well, is in maths Sophie.

1302
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:03,740
Has worked out that because it's
a key stage two test, which

1303
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:07,160
means technically there is
content from year 345 and six in

1304
00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:08,660
there.
It's not just a year six paper,

1305
00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:10,220
which is a very common
misconception.

1306
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:13,020
You could have passed the maths
test.

1307
00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:18,040
Without ever going into your
six, if you were like 100%

1308
00:56:18,050 --> 00:56:22,060
secure on the year 3-4 and five
content, wow, I thought that was

1309
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:23,310
really.
Crazy.

1310
00:56:24,260 --> 00:56:26,040
That is crazy.
And you know what that leads me

1311
00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:29,720
to think straight away is all
this pressure on year six

1312
00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:32,430
teachers as if it's like their
test, you know, I mean as if

1313
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,040
it's their thing and they play a
huge role.

1314
00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:37,900
And it don't get me wrong, but
it really is a test of the

1315
00:56:37,950 --> 00:56:43,660
entire key stage and to suggest
otherwise and to kind of almost

1316
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:47,200
get really high rate with your
year six staff as SLT.

1317
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:49,880
If it's not something you like
seeing at the end, I think it's

1318
00:56:49,890 --> 00:56:53,490
it's just ridiculous, isn't it?
And it's properly toxic not to

1319
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:55,670
look at the macro level of.
Well, you know what?

1320
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:58,190
This is a whole school thing and
you're the leader of the whole

1321
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,860
school, so maybe a bit of
introspection at that point.

1322
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,670
Yeah, I agree.
Another really just a fun fact,

1323
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,990
and I like this one because I
think it leads into a

1324
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,270
conversation about the game of
Sats.

1325
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,060
Right is you also could have
passed the maths papers.

1326
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:16,800
Only having ever been taught
that the unit on fractions,

1327
00:57:16,810 --> 00:57:20,420
decimals and percentages across
key stage two.

1328
00:57:20,460 --> 00:57:23,180
So for context of those non
teachers out there, maths is

1329
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:26,680
split up into like 8910 ish
strands.

1330
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:29,720
Things like place value the four
operations, so adding,

1331
00:57:29,730 --> 00:57:31,640
subtracting.
Then you've got a whole big

1332
00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:33,800
strand on fractions, decimals
and percentages which is

1333
00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:36,460
arguably the biggest strand
there because there's a lot of

1334
00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:40,380
learning objectives around that.
But if you had only been taught

1335
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:42,640
and were a master of the
fractions, decimals and

1336
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:44,840
percentages objectives in key
stage 2.

1337
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,010
There were enough marks in the
papers that you could have come

1338
00:57:48,020 --> 00:57:51,470
out as expected passing the mass
papers despite having zero

1339
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,130
knowledge in any other strand of
mass.

1340
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:56,360
And I just thought was really
interesting because my first

1341
00:57:56,370 --> 00:57:59,900
thought on that was.
You could just imagine someone

1342
00:57:59,910 --> 00:58:01,460
playing the game.
They'd be like, cool.

1343
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,510
I I reckon I can teach every kid
in our school all of the

1344
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,900
fractions, decimals and
percentages objectives.

1345
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:11,560
Over four years we'll get 100%
pass rate on the Sats.

1346
00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:14,470
None of them know anything else
about maths, but we've played

1347
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,220
the game and we've got the best
data in the in the county.

1348
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:20,810
It it really plays into that
thing we talked about doesn't it

1349
00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:25,630
of you know is it acceptable to
drop the curriculum if you think

1350
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,390
it's not worth it for the Sats.
You know it's that thing of and

1351
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,890
and and yes is the answer for
this is what we're judging

1352
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,910
teachers off if we're judging
schools off this of course it's

1353
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,530
going to happen that staff think
ratio.

1354
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,590
Ratio and proportion.
Now that's something marks mark

1355
00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,530
yeah let's do another week on
fractions decimals percentages

1356
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:44,440
because guess what it can
literally be the difference

1357
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:47,490
between passing or not.
So until the system changes

1358
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:49,430
we're always going to have.
These stories.

1359
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,320
And do you know what?
I can't blame them just because

1360
00:58:52,330 --> 00:58:55,130
I don't think it's true.
Would I fall into that same trap

1361
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:57,560
in that same school with same
SLT putting pressure from the

1362
00:58:57,570 --> 00:58:59,490
top down?
Probably, yeah.

1363
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,410
Probably, yes.
Yeah, of course you would.

1364
00:59:01,450 --> 00:59:03,630
Of course you would.
And it's so true, isn't it?

1365
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:05,090
1 mark.
Quite yeah.

1366
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:06,920
Question.
Strands of maths to get you one

1367
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:09,370
mark.
I value intrinsically as less

1368
00:59:09,380 --> 00:59:12,250
valuable.
To the OHH, it's a lesson that's

1369
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:13,860
less important.
Maths to learn.

1370
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,250
Of course it's not terrible.
There is no hierarchy, like, not

1371
00:59:17,260 --> 00:59:19,200
really.
I guess you could put like the

1372
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:21,750
foundations up there, like your
operations, just knowing how to

1373
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,790
calculate the number.
But yeah, sure to know.

1374
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,570
It's weird isn't it?
But that's definitely plays on

1375
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:29,170
that, even in my mind as an
athlete who's passionate about

1376
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:32,430
it, it definitely, definitely
impacts the way I think about

1377
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:35,390
what units should be taught
because you get more marks in

1378
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,450
SAS.
It's terrible.

1379
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,180
I read a story online about
someone who got beckoned into

1380
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:41,040
the office.
This is a bit of a.

1381
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,420
And many toxic SLT now got
beckoned into the office this

1382
00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:46,700
morning because of their SATS
results.

1383
00:59:46,810 --> 00:59:50,120
OK, achieved very well in
writing.

1384
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:52,200
Achieved very well.
We shall know of because it's

1385
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:54,000
all moderated and kind of done
yourself.

1386
00:59:54,070 --> 00:59:58,690
Achieved Achieved very well in
maths, over 70% over the

1387
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:01,740
national average.
GPS over the national average

1388
01:00:01,930 --> 01:00:03,680
but they're reading was in the
60s.

1389
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:08,140
OK so it's a bit lower and.
So beckoned into the room.

1390
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:10,520
This is not acceptable.
How on earth could these

1391
01:00:10,530 --> 01:00:12,060
children get come out with this
in reading?

1392
01:00:12,070 --> 01:00:13,630
It's terrible.
Not one word about anything

1393
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,600
else, not one word about
anything else.

1394
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:18,760
Just absolutely rinsed in the
morning end of the year.

1395
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:20,500
Nothing left to do.
Anyway, the results are already

1396
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:22,810
in.
I can't get my head around these

1397
01:00:22,820 --> 01:00:27,190
types of leaders who instead of
ever thinking what could I have

1398
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,430
done, You know, what could I
have done as the leader of this

1399
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:35,030
whole entire school that my my
cohort for the key stage two

1400
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,610
Sats over four years has come
out significantly below average

1401
01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:41,300
on reading.
As the six teachers fault, what

1402
01:00:41,310 --> 01:00:42,900
are you doing, you absolute
idiots.

1403
01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:45,140
Get it in now.
It's true, isn't it so toxic?

1404
01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:47,990
They they, they have been the
leader of that year group for

1405
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,780
the whole four years,
technically cause the head

1406
01:00:49,790 --> 01:00:51,980
teacher or whatever.
Yeah, it's such a good point.

1407
01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:56,950
We could stop there, Hayden, but
I thought, why not make this

1408
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,430
into another extremely long
podcast?

1409
01:00:58,580 --> 01:00:59,870
So I haven't really good chat
though.

1410
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,530
Really enjoying this.
Hope everyone at home is as

1411
01:01:01,540 --> 01:01:02,820
well.
I'm not last thing I wanted to

1412
01:01:02,830 --> 01:01:04,130
talk about.
OK, you would leave.

1413
01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:06,290
Honestly, I'll do a monologue.
I might as well do monologue.

1414
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:11,400
Nothing I thought we could talk
about is Again, I see a lot of

1415
01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:13,020
effects talking about this all
the time.

1416
01:01:13,070 --> 01:01:15,820
I saw one today on threads, by
the way, you know, followers on

1417
01:01:15,830 --> 01:01:18,640
Fred, Please do.
And it was an ET basically

1418
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:21,970
saying that they got a message
from a parent today saying how

1419
01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:24,910
the parents gutted that they're
not going to be teaching their

1420
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,800
child next year.
And they really hoped that it

1421
01:01:26,810 --> 01:01:30,000
would.
And and they spent the afternoon

1422
01:01:30,070 --> 01:01:33,840
in tears, you know, sad about
the fact that in a good way,

1423
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:36,930
very happy with the compliment,
but just sad that they're losing

1424
01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:40,330
their first class.
And I want to talk about saying

1425
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:43,350
goodbye because you know, as
teachers, like we said, hey, we

1426
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,350
always pride ourselves, don't
we, on trying to build a bond

1427
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,810
with as many children as
possible, spending a lot of time

1428
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:51,090
with these kids.
And the idea that the end of

1429
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,610
year, but it comes around so
quick as soon as you're in term

1430
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:55,350
six.
I kind of was in school today

1431
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,330
saying guys, I've got like 6
days left teaching you and

1432
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:00,950
they're like, yeah.
And it was, it was crazy for me

1433
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,940
to think about how.
Yeah, woo, it was crazy for me

1434
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:06,870
to think about how quickly it's
come round and saying goodbye.

1435
01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:09,430
It's not nice, is it, Once
you've built that relationship.

1436
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:12,120
With those children.
But this ECT was basically

1437
01:02:12,130 --> 01:02:15,460
saying, does it get easier?
And although I still don't like

1438
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:18,300
saying goodbye to my class and I
love teaching them, I think it

1439
01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:19,930
does get easier.
What's your experience?

1440
01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:22,370
With that ohh big time it it
definitely gets easier.

1441
01:02:22,410 --> 01:02:25,440
My first class still have such a
place in my heart and for no

1442
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:27,660
reason.
Realistically there's no reason

1443
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:29,200
for it other than they were my
first class.

1444
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:31,100
Or they're listening and they
got they.

1445
01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:32,700
Got Yeah.
No, I mean, they're great.

1446
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:35,070
The best ever, as every class is
when I tell them the end of the

1447
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,300
year.
But realistically, I've had lots

1448
01:02:37,310 --> 01:02:39,120
of lovely classes over the
years.

1449
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:41,190
But.
But because it was my first

1450
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,790
class, I did develop a special
bond with them because I was

1451
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,610
learning as well, so much stuff
and it's different.

1452
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,010
But when you know you're a
seasoned vet like we are now,

1453
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,140
it's just it is I'm less
emotionally of the because I'm

1454
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:55,450
just and I think I know you're
gonna at this point because

1455
01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:58,320
you're really passionate about
purposefully.

1456
01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:02,340
Not, you know, you explain it.
I, you know, I'm gonna say so

1457
01:03:02,350 --> 01:03:04,570
talk about how you feel at the
end of the year and what you

1458
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:07,320
actively don't do with your
class, which I probably would

1459
01:03:07,330 --> 01:03:09,760
have done in my first year.
Yeah, I think, I think it's like

1460
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:12,040
we said, you know, that the idea
of you're starting off, you want

1461
01:03:12,050 --> 01:03:15,140
them to like you.
I really, really, really believe

1462
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:18,240
passionately that no matter how
well or how good you feel about

1463
01:03:18,250 --> 01:03:21,260
your class or how gutted you are
about them leaving as the

1464
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:24,020
teacher to not join in with that
conversation as much as they

1465
01:03:24,030 --> 01:03:26,090
are.
Because it's very easy when

1466
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,440
they're saying, oh, you know,
and and they do say this every

1467
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:29,540
year, they say it to every
teacher.

1468
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:31,710
It's not just me.
It's every teacher like, ohh,

1469
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:33,510
can you not come with us to year
five?

1470
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:36,060
Who's our teacher going to be?
They're worried about it.

1471
01:03:36,070 --> 01:03:37,730
They don't know it's before
transition day.

1472
01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:39,410
Maybe you could come up with us.
Yeah.

1473
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:43,040
I hope you're a teacher again
and it's you can you can accept

1474
01:03:43,050 --> 01:03:44,270
that?
You can say, Oh yeah, no, that

1475
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,110
would be lovely, wouldn't it?
But you know what?

1476
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:48,710
You're going to love you 5.
You know, it's very different.

1477
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,230
It is very different.
You're going to meet some

1478
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,770
amazing teachers.
There's going to be so many so

1479
01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:55,250
lucky to be taught by all of
these different teachers.

1480
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,430
And especially at the end of the
year when there may be a little

1481
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,070
bit upset.
But the fact they're leaving you

1482
01:04:00,220 --> 01:04:02,600
and you also wish that you were
going up with them.

1483
01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:04,870
Sometimes, depending on the
class or the child and you

1484
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,510
really do miss them.
I let them know that by always,

1485
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,490
always, always caveat it with
how amazing it's going to be for

1486
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:13,450
the next year.
Because what I don't want to do

1487
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,850
is kind of lead them down the
path of oh, I know, yeah, it

1488
01:04:15,860 --> 01:04:18,190
will be worse when it should be
very easy to do if you wanted to

1489
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:20,170
take all the praise and feel
good about yourself, Oh yeah,

1490
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:22,730
but it's not going to be me,
guys, so it's going to be worse,

1491
01:04:22,740 --> 01:04:24,130
isn't it?
I'll be all right.

1492
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:27,470
Exactly.
You, I think you're very, very

1493
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,530
actively have to just step out
of that and step out of your ego

1494
01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:33,370
if that's something that's
driving you in that moment.

1495
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:37,180
And put the children 1st and
really big up where they're

1496
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:40,290
going and next year as well.
I always do this with the kids.

1497
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:42,250
Maybe they'll come and see me
there in year five.

1498
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:45,450
My question is always, always,
always, always how good's year

1499
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:47,330
five what you up to what you're
doing.

1500
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,830
Whereas I think at the start of
my career a number of times I

1501
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,730
say to him, you're missing year
four, you're missing me, you're

1502
01:04:52,740 --> 01:04:54,310
missing being in my class.
What?

1503
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,990
What?
What's the point in asking that

1504
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,490
question, you know, even trying
to trying to.

1505
01:04:58,500 --> 01:04:59,630
Yeah.
Trying to trigger them in some

1506
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:00,380
way.
Always.

1507
01:05:00,390 --> 01:05:02,030
Now frame it as what have you
done this week?

1508
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,030
How you know what's the what you
looking forward to now in year.

1509
01:05:04,110 --> 01:05:06,950
Ohh, isn't that cool?
You get on with your teachers.

1510
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,320
Isn't that amazing you know?
You're 6 is like a heightened

1511
01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:11,000
version of that because
obviously they literally leave

1512
01:05:11,010 --> 01:05:14,440
the school and they and as you
can imagine there are even more

1513
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:15,580
anxious and nervous about
leaving.

1514
01:05:15,590 --> 01:05:17,650
And I do find that when I'm
talking to you 6 there's the

1515
01:05:17,660 --> 01:05:20,600
kids are a lot more like clingy
to than those last couple of

1516
01:05:20,610 --> 01:05:23,010
days have been like ohh yeah I
do wish I was staying here

1517
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:24,660
though can I stay with you
You're my favourite teacher I

1518
01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:26,880
wanna do this and that and they
do all of those things and like

1519
01:05:26,890 --> 01:05:29,620
ohh latching on to you and I've
done exactly the same thing as

1520
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:33,270
you now I always just go ultra
positive about secretary school

1521
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,180
and I'll just say guys.
I've loved having you this year,

1522
01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:38,720
but you are going to have such a
good time next year.

1523
01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:41,220
There's so many things that I
can't provide to you in primary

1524
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:42,940
school that you're gonna get now
in secondary school.

1525
01:05:42,990 --> 01:05:44,670
It's gonna be epic.
I'm gonna meet new people.

1526
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,230
You're gonna love it.
And I always do that exactly

1527
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,740
what you said there rather than,
Oh well, I'm still here if you

1528
01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:53,500
want, you know, you just come
back and you can be in my class

1529
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:54,580
again.
That would be funny, wouldn't

1530
01:05:54,590 --> 01:05:56,320
it?
Like making that joke.

1531
01:05:56,370 --> 01:05:58,260
Whereas funny enough, I will
make that joke to them when I

1532
01:05:58,270 --> 01:05:59,990
see them a year later and
they're completely settled into

1533
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,100
their school.
Be like, if you want to come

1534
01:06:01,110 --> 01:06:04,720
back in a, you know, I'll say
stuff like that, but in that

1535
01:06:04,730 --> 01:06:06,590
moment you've just got to show
them.

1536
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,600
You've got you've.
It's.

1537
01:06:07,610 --> 01:06:08,870
It's hard.
It's tough love, isn't it?

1538
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,190
It's tough love.
You've just gotta be like.

1539
01:06:10,990 --> 01:06:12,960
Off you go.
Like, you've got to be confident

1540
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:14,670
with this.
You can't be thinking that I can

1541
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,970
be a crutch for you because I'm
not literally not going to be

1542
01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:19,060
here in a few weeks time for
you.

1543
01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:20,440
So you've gotta, you've gotta be
ready.

1544
01:06:21,730 --> 01:06:24,610
Definitely.
And as you say to ACT it does

1545
01:06:24,620 --> 01:06:25,630
get easier.
It really does.

1546
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,960
It doesn't mean you care any
less but it just means you know

1547
01:06:27,970 --> 01:06:29,840
what to do and what's best for
the children for sure.

1548
01:06:30,530 --> 01:06:34,200
LinkedIn with saying goodbye.
I've got a bit of a story here

1549
01:06:34,210 --> 01:06:38,000
Hayden and it's this is a really
touchy subject and I know that

1550
01:06:38,010 --> 01:06:40,500
when we were discussing what to
talk about today because believe

1551
01:06:40,510 --> 01:06:42,720
it or not guys we do actually
kind of plan these podcasts.

1552
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:45,150
I know it sounds like rambling
sort of Mad Men but we do

1553
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,420
actually plan these podcasts and
when I mentioned this to you you

1554
01:06:48,430 --> 01:06:51,500
you you seemed a bit unsure
whether to kind of dive into

1555
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:53,270
that subject and.
Just want to address it right

1556
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,970
now because it's about gifts at
the end of the year as teachers

1557
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,790
and I just wanted to unpick
them.

1558
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,470
Maybe you could explain why it
is a bit of a touchy subject for

1559
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,550
teachers to even talk about.
Ohh, isn't it?

1560
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,190
I just.
I think you have to be a bit

1561
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,030
careful because end of the day
gifts are gifts and I think

1562
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,510
teachers.
I don't know, I don't think they

1563
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,710
mean to be, but I have seen a
lot of posts over the years on

1564
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,750
Facebook and things of people
judging gifts in certain ways

1565
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,390
and I'm sort of like, ah, should
probably be careful though,

1566
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,790
because someone has spent money
on that.

1567
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,170
Regardless of whether you like
it or not.

1568
01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:24,640
I think it's.
Tacky or you think they have

1569
01:07:24,650 --> 01:07:26,900
much thought into it.
They still done the thing.

1570
01:07:26,910 --> 01:07:29,310
Like you probably shouldn't be
slagging it off and saying ohh

1571
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,120
wait, I've only got me this,
only got me that and that.

1572
01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:33,060
I've got ten of these.
I don't know.

1573
01:07:33,070 --> 01:07:35,600
So when you said it, I was like,
I was thinking, ohh, OK, just be

1574
01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:37,620
careful because I don't want to
actually make anyone feel like

1575
01:07:37,630 --> 01:07:38,880
we're unappreciative.
Hmm.

1576
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:41,160
Which we're not, of course.
No, not at all.

1577
01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:43,790
And I think it, you know, we've
seen some people do that, but

1578
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,680
that's not, that's not at all
what we're like obviously.

1579
01:07:45,690 --> 01:07:48,310
And I think in terms of gifts,
there's kind of two things to

1580
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,370
think about is receiving gifts.
Right.

1581
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:57,980
So receiving gifts from children
is when I was younger again.

1582
01:07:57,990 --> 01:08:00,250
I always go back to my T days
now because it's it's changed a

1583
01:08:00,260 --> 01:08:02,150
lot easier.
My first few years of teaching,

1584
01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:05,850
I absolutely was.
That teacher got all my gifts at

1585
01:08:05,860 --> 01:08:08,930
the end of the year.
I would, you know, purposefully,

1586
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,770
This seems so cringe now.
Line them up on the table.

1587
01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:13,730
Yeah.
Bottles at the back, chocolates

1588
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:15,670
at the front, little plushy,
plushy over there.

1589
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:16,970
A little bit of this little bit
of that.

1590
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,590
Getting that really good
Instagram post.

1591
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,490
Take a picture and post it
online and that cringes me out

1592
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:23,520
now and again.
Lots of my friends do it.

1593
01:08:23,569 --> 01:08:27,060
So you're listening to this
podcast and you cringe about me?

1594
01:08:27,109 --> 01:08:28,819
Yeah, they're talking about me.
That's about me.

1595
01:08:28,830 --> 01:08:34,210
Yes, I am.
But no, I get it because it's

1596
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:35,830
it's lovely, isn't it?
It is lovely.

1597
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,069
The fact that you've got these
gifts from the children who

1598
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,170
you've made this really special
bond with.

1599
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,130
You're showing it online.
People, you know, we we barely

1600
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:45,870
post online personally.
So maybe it's just that that we

1601
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,260
don't kind of get anymore, but
at the point being.

1602
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,540
There's always going to be those
children who aren't children are

1603
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:56,750
never in control of buying
gifts, you never in control of

1604
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,470
buying.
It's always apparent and there's

1605
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,689
going to be different situations
where some children don't get

1606
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:04,569
you a gift, some children do,
and it's just this idea of kind

1607
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:07,029
of glamorising gifts.
I think as teachers again, it's

1608
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,770
our job to not do that.
We can be really thankful,

1609
01:09:09,859 --> 01:09:13,090
accept them.
But I really do struggle now or

1610
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,630
I'm very reluctant to kind of go
over the top publicly and and

1611
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,630
say, oh look at this, what this
person got me is amazing.

1612
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:22,750
I think I'll do that directly to
the child or direct to the

1613
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,689
parent.
I really appreciate it, but I do

1614
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:25,609
cringe.
I don't know about.

1615
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:27,149
You.
Yeah, I definitely do.

1616
01:09:27,979 --> 01:09:28,930
Yeah.
I don't do anymore.

1617
01:09:28,939 --> 01:09:30,729
I I used to do.
I used to do that cause I still

1618
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:32,630
get Facebook.
Memories come up from like 8

1619
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,569
years ago.
Seven years ago showed me this

1620
01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:37,750
picture of all this beer and
chocolate and stuff that I got

1621
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,430
from one year.
Yeah, I just.

1622
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,359
I just don't like it anymore.
I think it's a bit strange.

1623
01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:43,510
Like you said, I'll just speak
directly to the to the children

1624
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,250
and parents who are willing to
do that.

1625
01:09:45,260 --> 01:09:47,770
And even in my class, like, I
just don't make a thing of it

1626
01:09:47,779 --> 01:09:49,279
whatsoever.
I don't make a thing of it.

1627
01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:51,460
I don't, I don't want to make
any child feel bad that they

1628
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:53,779
haven't got me a gift.
As if that's the expectation is

1629
01:09:53,790 --> 01:09:56,810
not the expectation whatsoever.
And when children say ohh well

1630
01:09:56,820 --> 01:09:58,440
you know what do you want What
can I get you.

1631
01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:01,590
I always just give the most
simple response which is either

1632
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,740
ohh I'd have to get me anything.
I'll be more than happy if you

1633
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:06,900
just seen you on the last day or
I'll say make me a nice card.

1634
01:10:07,090 --> 01:10:09,530
I'd really like a nice card like
me a little message because I'll

1635
01:10:09,540 --> 01:10:12,060
keep that and just something
sentimental that doesn't cost

1636
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:14,110
anything.
I'll say that and if they want

1637
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,790
to go above and beyond and great
because I love gin but you know

1638
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:20,670
if if they don't make.
Me feel bad which which leads me

1639
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,980
on very quickly or this or that.
Yeah, yeah, so this out, send

1640
01:10:24,990 --> 01:10:27,430
this out.
But one thing I've noticed quite

1641
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,810
funny, having flitted between
lower school and upper school

1642
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:32,870
quite a lot in my career, I've
noticed a bit of a trend.

1643
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,530
Like in in year six where the
kids are a bit older, I quite

1644
01:10:35,540 --> 01:10:38,750
often get the cartoon, but like.
Yeah, right, Stevens, here.

1645
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,470
Mum says, do you like gin or
beer?

1646
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,930
Like, it really just straight to
the cut throat, to the point,

1647
01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:45,580
right.
And then you're 4.

1648
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,210
When I've been in year four,
I've, I've, I've had kids come

1649
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:51,760
to me and say stuff like Miss
Stevens, I've got you this and

1650
01:10:51,770 --> 01:10:54,040
they're really excited.
It's a poster I made for your

1651
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:57,430
bedroom and it's of me and you
and with firefighters on Mars

1652
01:10:57,470 --> 01:11:00,570
and it's just like some just
crazy painting of like nonsense.

1653
01:11:00,580 --> 01:11:03,590
And it's just the difference
between even just a couple of

1654
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,850
years when the kids like, yeah,
yeah, Mum says, you want that.

1655
01:11:08,170 --> 01:11:10,700
Yeah, OK, cool.
But I'm not even.

1656
01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:13,680
I'm not being ungrateful or
anything but I prefer those

1657
01:11:13,690 --> 01:11:14,840
gifts.
I prefer them.

1658
01:11:14,910 --> 01:11:16,550
Don't get me wrong.
I'm gonna drink that chin or

1659
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,800
that beer and I'm very grateful.
But there's just something

1660
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:21,380
wholesome about you've taught me
all year and I wanted to draw

1661
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:24,000
you this thing because that's my
thing to you and it's it's just

1662
01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:26,280
it's just lovely.
And I've actually been thinking

1663
01:11:26,290 --> 01:11:28,680
about the gifts I've got over
the years and and again it's

1664
01:11:28,690 --> 01:11:31,930
always very, you know, treading
lightly of you know what, being

1665
01:11:31,940 --> 01:11:34,150
grateful or not.
But I've come up with some of my

1666
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,420
favourite gifts.
OK.

1667
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:38,960
And the the the theme here
though is that you know.

1668
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:41,800
Always teachers get wine, beer,
chocolate.

1669
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:44,080
These are like the unique gifts
that I've got, which aren't, you

1670
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:47,160
know, particularly expensive,
but just my top three that I

1671
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:49,530
thought about, instantly
honourable mention.

1672
01:11:49,540 --> 01:11:52,320
I got a T-shirt, I posted it on
our Instagram and it was a

1673
01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:56,100
drawing that a child had done
that their mum then got printed

1674
01:11:56,110 --> 01:11:59,950
onto a T-shirt and it was like,
yeah, it was, it was Mr. Price

1675
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:01,840
and just little message on it.
And that was so lovely because

1676
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:03,940
it came with the picture as well
and I still got the picture on

1677
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:06,020
the paper and I wear the shirt
around the house.

1678
01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:07,720
It's lovely.
But here, my 3:00 that I put

1679
01:12:07,730 --> 01:12:11,590
together #1.
A bottle of strawberry Ribena.

1680
01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:16,400
I got a bottle of story Ribena
from one child.

1681
01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:19,400
It probably my first or second
year of teaching because in

1682
01:12:19,450 --> 01:12:22,470
February of that year he came in
at break time and saw me

1683
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,480
drinking a bottle of Ribena.
Ohh.

1684
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:28,020
We did not mention it one more
time that entire year.

1685
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:31,000
Just said, ohh, you like Rabina.
I was like, Yep, end of the year

1686
01:12:31,010 --> 01:12:33,400
he'd wrapped up a bottle of
strawberry Ribena, which is what

1687
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:35,140
I was drinking and said, oh you
like that?

1688
01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:37,380
And I was just like, Oh my God,
my inside.

1689
01:12:37,390 --> 01:12:40,820
Like the fact you just off the
cuff saw that once and

1690
01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:44,400
remembered it and then would
have had to say to your parent

1691
01:12:44,410 --> 01:12:46,570
or someone at home.
Mr. Price, He'd like strawberry

1692
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:48,470
Ribena.
I was like, Oh my God, it was

1693
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:52,130
just so sweet number two.
Yeah, a jar.

1694
01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:54,640
A jar of Pickles.
A jar of pickled gerkins.

1695
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:57,570
Because I told my class the
story of why my nickname was

1696
01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:59,420
jerking and they just thought it
was hilarious.

1697
01:12:59,430 --> 01:13:00,830
I'll tell you one day in the
podcast.

1698
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:04,450
So a child at Christmas brought
in a jar of pickled gerkins

1699
01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:07,290
wrapped up another child.
By the way, honourable mention

1700
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:08,720
got me some socks with burgers
on them.

1701
01:13:08,730 --> 01:13:10,450
And I was like, burgers.
I was like that's cool.

1702
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:12,050
And they're like, yeah, cause
gerkins are in burgers.

1703
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:15,690
And I was like, Oh my God, it's
even more cool and and.

1704
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:18,420
The last one, and I guess the
most sentimental one.

1705
01:13:18,430 --> 01:13:21,200
I suppose that I just loved it
because it was just the the

1706
01:13:21,210 --> 01:13:24,070
thought again was just I was in
school.

1707
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,420
It was one of the last days.
Again, not making a fuss about

1708
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:30,300
anything.
But when there's six 7-8 bags on

1709
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:32,600
the floor next to your desk of
gifts, you know the children

1710
01:13:32,610 --> 01:13:35,480
notice that, right?
And always that day you'll get

1711
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:37,840
like a little something from a
kid who just wants to give you

1712
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:40,100
something because like, oh, I've
not got something for you, I

1713
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,830
want to give you something.
This child had got the most

1714
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,940
scraggy piece of paper from the
tray of scrap paper scribbled on

1715
01:13:47,950 --> 01:13:50,040
it.
Dear Mr. Price, thank you so

1716
01:13:50,050 --> 01:13:52,400
much for teaching me, blah blah
blah blah blah.

1717
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:55,280
And then had five P in their bag
and they set a tape.

1718
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:57,010
Five people at the bottom.
On the go.

1719
01:13:57,060 --> 01:14:00,280
So they had five P they said
they sellotaped it to the bottom

1720
01:14:00,290 --> 01:14:02,470
and they were like, here's my
gift to you and I just.

1721
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,150
Ohh, thank you so much.
And again, not degrading the

1722
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,030
other gifts, but those kind of
moments there where, you know,

1723
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,850
pure thoughtfulness from the
children.

1724
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:13,330
Yeah, I think that's the biggest
gift that the children can give

1725
01:14:13,340 --> 01:14:15,970
us is, you know, when they're so
grateful and thoughtful.

1726
01:14:15,980 --> 01:14:19,040
And that's where.
It just feels nice.

1727
01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:22,850
It's the thought that counts.
As they say it is my top three.

1728
01:14:22,860 --> 01:14:25,950
Whilst she did that, I quickly
wrote some down top three.

1729
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,990
I've got a week last year.
It's nice.

1730
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,470
There we go.
Yeah, before that someone came

1731
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:34,550
in with shampoo.
Bottle of Head and Shoulders.

1732
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,250
Ohh big theme here.
And and the same year, another

1733
01:14:38,260 --> 01:14:40,390
child came in with a nice wooden
hair brush.

1734
01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:44,870
So as you can tell, kids are
probably more sentimental for

1735
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,460
me, I guess, than you.
I think they're probably nicer

1736
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:48,410
than your guess.
But in all seriousness, I've

1737
01:14:48,420 --> 01:14:49,530
got, I've had some really nice
stuff.

1738
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:51,950
I still literally have a pillow
on my bed that.

1739
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:55,660
I say the child.
I think the mum knitted it for

1740
01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:58,620
the child, but we're not knitted
it, but they're just sewed on Mr

1741
01:14:58,630 --> 01:15:00,220
S and thought it was a really
nice pillow.

1742
01:15:00,230 --> 01:15:02,020
I still use it on my bed.
It was great.

1743
01:15:02,090 --> 01:15:04,940
Still got a coaster for my first
year of teaching the child.

1744
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:07,540
May be it was reasons why we
love Mr Stevens and it was like

1745
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:09,350
3 just silly things that
happened in the year.

1746
01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:11,180
There's just nice, isn't it?
That little.

1747
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:13,360
They're just little things.
It's not about the sort of

1748
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:17,070
monetary value of them, no.
It's just yeah.

1749
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,940
Although we we do accept
cheques.

1750
01:15:19,570 --> 01:15:22,420
Yes, cheques are great as well.
Ohh dear.

1751
01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:24,780
I've seen a lot of people
actually lately have sent

1752
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:27,840
letters out and I always worry
doing it cause I'm kind of

1753
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,060
assuming someone's going to get
me a gift.

1754
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:31,440
So I don't like putting out
there.

1755
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:34,500
But I've seen people do this to
good effect and it's just if you

1756
01:15:34,510 --> 01:15:36,610
if you were thinking of getting
something, please don't feel the

1757
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:37,950
need to do that.
But if you were thinking of

1758
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,750
doing something, I'd love you to
donate to this charity.

1759
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:43,480
And I just think that that's
really nice, isn't it?

1760
01:15:43,490 --> 01:15:46,660
That's such a lovely idea and
you know, is it something I do

1761
01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:47,720
in the future?
Maybe.

1762
01:15:47,730 --> 01:15:50,420
But just this idea of, you know,
as teachers, we are absolutely

1763
01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:53,520
not expecting gifts at all.
Yeah, and we're very grateful

1764
01:15:53,530 --> 01:15:57,340
for them, but it's not something
that we expect or think

1765
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:59,670
differently of anyone for doing,
for not doing.

1766
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,180
And we're just very grateful.
For you to do controversially, I

1767
01:16:02,190 --> 01:16:03,500
don't like it and I'll never do
it.

1768
01:16:04,410 --> 01:16:05,770
It makes you don't.
I don't like it.

1769
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:07,910
It makes me feel awkward.
I think it mainly it's the first

1770
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,690
thing you're about to say which
was yeah, yeah, I think it's it

1771
01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:12,620
ironically sets a weird
expectation.

1772
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:15,450
And two I don't know what it is.
I find it really hard to

1773
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:17,060
articulate it but it just makes
me feel weird.

1774
01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:19,850
It's like I don't want your kids
because the ones that were maybe

1775
01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:21,780
gonna do something thoughtful.
Yeah, I don't want that.

1776
01:16:21,790 --> 01:16:23,040
Just some money in the charity
instead.

1777
01:16:23,050 --> 01:16:24,860
And I don't have to have any of
your tap.

1778
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,740
I get this weird weird feeling
that that's like a message that

1779
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:29,660
comes across Maybe I'm thinking
too much into it because

1780
01:16:29,670 --> 01:16:32,060
obviously giving money to
charity is nice but makes me

1781
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:35,250
feel a bit strange so I usually
just avoid that even though.

1782
01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:36,820
I'll big up someone else for
doing it.

1783
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:38,620
Now I get that.
I get that.

1784
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:40,810
I mean I I completely agree
because that's the awkwardness.

1785
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:43,580
I feel just like ohh put it out
there that I know you thinking

1786
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:46,060
get me something Ohh God.
No, just you know.

1787
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:47,070
Yep.
I'm.

1788
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:48,390
I was gonna get you some nice
little thing.

1789
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,960
Now I've got Chuck a tenner in a
in a charity thing.

1790
01:16:50,970 --> 01:16:52,960
I ask my kid was actually do
this little picture for you.

1791
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:55,180
So.
Yeah.

1792
01:16:56,020 --> 01:16:56,850
Get it?
They could do either.

1793
01:16:56,860 --> 01:16:58,520
Can't.
We get it, Hayden.

1794
01:16:58,530 --> 01:17:01,360
You hate charity.
If the charity is not me, I'm

1795
01:17:01,370 --> 01:17:04,800
not interested.
And with that I think please

1796
01:17:04,810 --> 01:17:09,080
don't clip that out of the.
The charity is not me not

1797
01:17:09,090 --> 01:17:11,320
interested.
Oh, guess who's in charge of the

1798
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:12,190
clips?
So.

1799
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:14,280
Remember when we started this
episode and we were like, it's

1800
01:17:14,290 --> 01:17:15,700
gonna be a shorter one today.
It's nice, isn't it?

1801
01:17:15,710 --> 01:17:16,990
We planned a bit of a shorter
one.

1802
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:19,360
Long, long.
Sorry guys.

1803
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:22,590
Long Hope you enjoyed it though.
Bye.