Ep 191: The Insanity Of SATs Prep In Primary Schools

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Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to the episode of

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Teach Sleep.
Repeat.

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My name is Dylan and my name's
Tayden.

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And if you're back at school
this week, welcome back with a

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bang.
And if you're not, then shut up

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about it and don't tell
everyone.

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We don't want to hear you get an
extra week, all right?

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Just enjoy it.
Sorry, this is not how you

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introduce yourself to our
listeners.

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You're actually insulting them.
Maybe half of them, yeah.

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Yeah.
Both both types of people are

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lovely.
There we go.

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So we'll cut that bit in.
Yep, we don't use it.

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No problem, absolutely fine.
We're going to talk about

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Saturday.
Alienate the other half straight

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away.
I'll go.

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So switch that off.
No, it's going to be a chat

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about the whole school aspect of
SATS as well as narrowing down

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into actually preparing and what
you should do.

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But before we get into it, I did
just want to say to you guys

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right now that you can sign up
your school for a free trial of

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math suit.
It is completely free.

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There are no strings attached
whatsoever and it's our platform

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we built to help with
arithmetic, maths fluency.

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And at this point in the year,
let me be really straight,

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whether we like Sats or not,
schools up and down the country

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are getting ready for children
to be sitting these tests and

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what better way to help them?
And we'll talk about this later

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for the children become to
become more familiar with the

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types of questions they might
see, and also to be able to

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actually understand what
children can and can't do and

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help them.
So Matthew can do just that.

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Exactly, that arithmetic does
exist.

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There is an arithmetic paper,
OK.

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And also arithmetic is the kind
of the foundation for building

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on reasoning and problem
solving, all that good stuff we

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talked about.
Yeah, but at the end of the day,

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they're going to be sat there
doing arithmetic paper, and

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you're obviously going to be
practising arithmetic in any

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year group, especially year 6
right now.

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So why not take advantage of us?
Links down in the description

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below.
Click it.

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I'm just going to cut across him
because he's waffling right now.

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Get down there, it's completely
free.

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Like I said, get in touch and
we'll get your school using it

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as soon as possible.
But Hayden, yeah, let's talk

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about SATS then.
You spent a lot of time in Year

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6 as a teacher, and I want to
start off with a video I saw

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this week.
OK, which do you know when you

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see a video, right?
And the number of comments is

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really, really close to the
number of likes it gets?

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And you always think, OK,
something's gone on here

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engaging because usually, you
know, there's just a few

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comments compared to maybe
hundreds of likes.

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And I thought, OK, the people
are talking.

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So I watched the video and the
video said it was somebody who

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worked in a school, someone who
wasn't in year 6, who said year

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six teachers should be paid more
than other teachers in a primary

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school.
Couldn't agree more.

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I'm.
Joking, firstly that's very

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interesting because normally
rage bait videos do that kind of

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thing, but that doesn't sound
too rage baity I'm presuming

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some people got very annoyed
about.

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It no, but this person from what
I saw the video, genuinely

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thought and believed.
This and then not a year 6

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teacher.
No, that's interesting.

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Well, do you know it is
interesting because I also

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wasn't in year 6IN my career and
I looked at year 6 and thought,

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wow, they're doing way more than
everyone else.

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I looked at you and I thought,
what are you doing?

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Do you know what I mean?
Like in terms of you seem to,

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you seem to get sucked into the
whole, oh, it's the most

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important thing in the world to
do this that and we got to do

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all this extra stuff and we got
to do, I looked at you and I

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thought, you don't even think
that this is the thing to do and

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you're still being drawn into it
to a degree.

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And I just think you were just a
complete sellout fraud.

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So it was really interesting to
me.

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And I never once thought you
should get paid more either.

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I thought you were just an
idiot.

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And that again, because it was
just because it was me.

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If it wasn't me, you might have
thought that.

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OK, so just like coming.
I want to hear the end of your

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thought train here.
Other than, you know, I.

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Don't remember, I got a tangent.
So did you when you when you saw

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that, did at any point you
think, oh, this isn't fair for

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year six teachers, There should
be some remuneration.

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No, I don't think that.
I think it's, it's, I think that

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the base understanding of what
year 6 is like was completely

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true.
That was my point.

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I don't think the conclusion I
would come to personally is that

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they therefore needs to be paid
more.

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Yeah, I think that the
conclusion I come to is they

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therefore need to be treated
equally, the same as the rest of

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the school.
And you know, at the end end of

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the day, the Sats are in Year 6
and that becomes a focal point

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for year six teachers.
But the only reason it tends to

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be that they're overworked and
have to do way more is because

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of the pressures from the top
down, from the score for Sats

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results to look good.
There are loads of reasons why I

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think that's a bad thing and
that's what I'd fix and I think

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should be a culture of Year 6
not being treated that way,

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rather than it simply being,
well, no, that's acceptable and

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we'll just pay you a bit more as
well.

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Have you always been a Tory?
What are you talking about?

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Have you always been someone who
just says, yeah, we should do

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the thing that's never gonna
happen and not pay the people

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for doing the extra work when it
continues to happen?

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Have you always thought that?
Do you attribute that with Tory?

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That I was trying to say
anything where I was like, just

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not you.
It didn't really make sense, but

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do you not think there is an
element of so, yeah, that's

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cool.
That's nice to say.

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But you know, it has just
happened consistently over 20

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years.
No one's changing the system and

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they do just do more work.
Yeah, OK, sure.

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So when the MTC came in in year
4, do we just kind of pro R to

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the extra that you get for SAT
in year 6 because there's a

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little extra test in year 4 now?
So year 4 teachers get a bit

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extra as well.
And actually are we we happen to

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do residential in year 3.
So the year 3 let's pro R to

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that was a bit more or less than
the MTC.

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Oh, I just can't tell.
No cut all that Goff and just

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and just pay teachers the same.
I I go further.

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You know what I'm like in terms
of, I don't think necessarily

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just because you've been a
teacher longer, used to be paid

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more than someone else.
Yeah, I think, you know, you're,

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you're the way you are as a
teacher and the quality that you

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bring that isn't necessarily
tied to how long you've been

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doing the job.
So I think the whole pay

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system's a bit strange.
But I understand that we live in

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a culture and a society where
the more you've been doing

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something, you build up
experience, obviously the more

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you likely you are to be better
at the job.

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So therefore you get more money.
Very closely linked.

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I understand that, but I, I
thought two years into my career

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I was a better teacher than some
people who are 10 years into

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their career.
And I also thought 10 years into

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my career I was a worse teacher
than some people who were two

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years into their career.
It was it fluctuated as a

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general rule.
Fair enough.

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And that's why I'm not.
Yeah, that's OK.

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So I also think as a general
rule, you should just get paid

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what you get paid as a teacher.
And if there are external forces

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coming in, I don't think that
necessarily means you should get

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paid more.
Like for example, do you think

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teachers who are teaching GCSE
classes should get paid more and

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teachers who are teaching A
level classes should get paid

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more, even more, because it's
even more of a of a impact on a

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child's life?
That's interesting.

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You're I, I don't think so, by
the way, but I'm funny.

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Interesting that you're equating
the pay with like how much

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impact it has on the on the
kids.

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Whereas I reckon the majority of
people that are commenting on

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that and that whole point in
that video was there is just

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more workload because they end
up doing.

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Why is there more workload?
Because, because it is, because

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the that's what I'm talking
about 100%.

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So that's what I mean.
I, I, I I'm not I'm.

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Not saying it's because of the
kids.

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I'm saying because they're doing
a level, because they're doing

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GCC, because they're doing Sats.
Yeah, that brings pressure,

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which brings added workload.
Yeah, yeah.

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I'm not saying just simply
because of the the test they're

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doing OK.
I mean, because of that test,

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they're being asked to do more.
They're being asked to come in

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in the holidays.
The amount of secondary school

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teachers I know who work through
their Easter and basically do

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sessions constantly and they'll
get paid overtime for that.

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But in general, like day-to-day
time to time test to test,

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marking constant past papers,
there is obviously an increased

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workload at this point of the
year compared to maybe a teacher

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who has mainly year 78 and 9
That, that, that's that.

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That's obviously just true.
In the same way there's more

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workload right now for year six
in a lot of schools compared to

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year 2345.
Yeah, that's all true.

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But all all I'm saying with that
is it's just because of the year

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group they're in.
It's not because of the test

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they're doing.
That makes sense.

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Sure.
The way you said it at first was

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you were like, should we get
paid more if you do GCSE and

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then paid even more if you do A
levels?

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If like the harder the exam, the
more you get paid, yeah, maybe

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the more they're all equal in
terms of like, OK, there are

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some years where there's test
pressure, which might just add

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to workload.
Yeah, I don't think so.

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In general, I find the whole
conversation interesting because

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it to me it boils all the way
back down to how inconsistent

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the job of a teacher is in terms
of like if you just look at the

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meta level across the country,
yeah, all teachers are being

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paid other than like some areas
of London and there is like

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different bands, but generally
you're being paid to be a

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teacher, being prayed no matter
being.

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Prayed please pay me.
Please pay me in some schools.

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To get your pay packet, you have
to pledge allegiance to the

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Pope.
Yeah, yeah.

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Who's on the wall?
Who's on the wall?

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In every single.
Room in my cafe, but we don't

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indoctrinate kids here.
We're sorry there's no

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indoctrination here.
Don't bring your lefty walk

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liberal nonsense to this
classroom Now.

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Eat the bread of Christ.
Not in the eyes of the Pope.

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It's Friday, so we better go to
church.

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Anyway, when you when you start
bashing.

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Gosh indoctrination Dylan.
Oh yeah, such a bad thing to do.

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It's just awful of saying that
indoctrination bad in that way.

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But yeah, put it in full circle.
I just think I always find it

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very interesting that a teacher
can work in one school and have

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an unbelievably different
workload to a teacher who works

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down the road and in a different
school.

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They both have the same job role
and let's say they're on the

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same pay point and they're and
there's like astronomical

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difference in the hours they do.
I just find that weird in

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general.
Yeah, sure, absolutely.

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And, and I think that's maybe
boils down to why I think that

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paying someone different is just
stupid.

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Yeah, yeah, I I agree.
You're in year 6.

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I don't even think it
automatically means you're doing

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more.
I think it think it probably

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means you're doing more, but
doesn't automatically

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necessarily mean you're doing
more.

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And I just think you're going
down a, a, a, a, a path that

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it's going to be really hard to
be consistent on.

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It's already hard with the whole
experience thing that I spoke

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about.
Like that's already, to me,

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slightly flawed.
So we're just adding even more

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to it.
Yeah, it, it gets too chaotic in

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terms of trying to work out too
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If you had a graph, yeah, that

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where, where you plotted and you
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is teaching in the country,
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their year group and what their
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where some years are just sort
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than others.
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tonnes of outliers in every
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And it's like you can't really
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In year 6, the year 6, the year
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with workload as well, we talk a
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sometimes it's in the control of
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of the professional.
Like we say, a lot take control

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of your workload.
And there's a lot of people who,

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you know, learned helplessness
is a really harsh way of saying

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it, but it's, it's along those
lines of like people just

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comment saying, well, how easy
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We, we have to work 2 hours a
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day.
You actually don't like, you

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actually just don't have to do
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this threshold that you've put
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high.
And that might be for the best

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interest of the children in your
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And you think, actually, this
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the kids the most?
But you've still chosen to do

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that.
And if that threshold you've set

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yourself means you end up
burning out, then you need to

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move that threshold yourself and
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And that's not nice for some
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Same I'd say for year 6 if year
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I had a joke and a laugh earlier
about you being in year 6 and,

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and I think we have said this
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I think there are some things
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are you doing that or why are
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which you think is stupid that
we're all doing that you are

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doing.
I've done it because I've

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already met my quota of
mentioning stupid things.

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So, so, so, so my, my point is
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you, you are nowhere near like
the you still push back on a lot

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of things, but even you and
everyone who listens to this

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podcast will understand where we
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There was still some stuff like,
you know, doing booth, doing

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booster math and English in the
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You still ran some boosters, I
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So my point to you is just
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Even with the best of intentions
and we were in a lovely school

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and you had the best outlook in
the world in terms of I know you

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personally thought that we
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like it's a normal week.
It's still in that environment

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and with your attitude you still
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So do they have a point that
it's just inherently actually do

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you know what, maybe you should
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you should get a bit of extra
time out of class, at least

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something to show that you are
doing more than other teachers.

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Ultimately no, like even though
I was trying to play there was

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advocate, I do actually agree
with what you said. 2 two big

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reasons.
One, it is just different in

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every school anyway. 3 reasons
#2 we should actually be aiming

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to tackle that as a systemic
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like accepting it and then
saying cool yeah everyone has

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boosters, we just pay ES6
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Actually, that's just tackle.
But do you think there's room

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for, like, for example, I know
some ES6 teachers who over that

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Easter break were doing some
boosters, right, and got

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literally paid overtime for
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whilst I don't think year six

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teachers should just blankly get
paid more because they're year

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6, I do actually think that if
you're doing boosters in your

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half term that you should be
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So, so there's what all, all I'm
trying to get to here is that

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there is, there is some weird
grey area here where actually,

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you know, if you just castrate
someone for saying year six

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teachers should get paid more,
like castrate is such a don't

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know why you castrate them.
It's such a strange choice.

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Of verb.
Sorry, I'm just going to

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continue.
What's that?

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Imagining my balls being cut
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Carry on.
You see, you see, teachers get

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paid more, get the scissors.
It's such a shame.

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Listen, I'm sorry.
It's the rules.

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You think now Castrate.
Oh, she was going higher.

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So it's really weird.
But come back, I'm just going

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to, I'm going to cut you off
here because I because I agree.

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But I think that's almost like a
separate thing.

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I mean, it's not even
necessarily a year six thing.

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I know schools where it's like
they just open it to any skip

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teacher to come and do the
booster things.

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I don't think, I don't think, I
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doing that at all.
This is my, this is my saying,

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but I think when, when schools
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early, like literally before
your contract or directed time

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starts and do this teaching,
which you don't normally have to

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do in your contract or in the
Easter holidays or the weekend

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or whatever that has to that has
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What?
What don't you?

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What don't you think schools
should be there?

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I don't think schools should be
doing extra like booster

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sessions over the Easter
holidays.

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I don't think it's good for the
staff, genuinely all the kids.

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Just side thing, can I book onto
your SATS course for tutoring

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that you offer?
Yeah, yeah, you can.

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So what's the like, what do you
think That's OK?

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Yeah.
So do you think extra in general

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is like, I'm a director of this
tutoring company here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I'm just trying to play

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devil's advocate again here a
little bit in terms of it's a

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good question.
You know, you're just saying I

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don't think schools should be
doing boosters.

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It's like, well, you know, we
offer tutoring.

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I think there's, I think I can
understand there's a crossover.

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I think there's a very different
intent in terms of.

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Porn Houdini got this.
No, no, I think so.

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I think I think this is an
interesting discussion because

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otherwise we wouldn't do it, of
course, I don't think, I don't

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think boosters should happen
when it takes up other learning

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first time.
We'll get on to that in a bit

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because I know you're really
passionate about the whole idea

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of boosters taking up by PE and
all that sort of stuff, right?

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I don't think that really should
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I think from the school's
perspective, when you've got

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these kids, when your school is
being held accountable for the

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data and if it's a situation
where a school is putting on a

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lot of pressure during 1/2 term
or a school holiday to get all

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the kids in that are on the cusp
of expected to come in and

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they're putting on that pressure
because and for them to come in

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and do those groups.
I generally I generally don't

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like that idea.
I don't I don't inherently think

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boosters are bad by the way.
I don't inherently think giving

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children more opportunities to
learn stuff yeah is bad.

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Like I don't like that really
clear because it's.

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So just to clarify then, because
you're talking about half term,

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right?
You said about in half term what

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you mean is 1/2 term break not
like an actual when they're in

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school?
Yeah.

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So, so it's in the classic.
What you're saying is I just

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want to make this really clear
because you said you don't think

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boosters should be happening.
I think, you know, we in in the

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half term breaks we don't offer.
We have breaks as well.

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Basically we don't offer the
tuition lessons.

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I think that's because we've
always said the same thing of

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want to give, be able to give
the children a break.

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Ultimately parents can do what
they want with the children in

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half term.
Yeah, parents want to do some

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extra work with them.
They can, they have our

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catalogue of lessons, our
catalogue of homeworks and

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stuff.
A parent can log on and say to a

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kid you're doing this.
Ultimately that's not down to

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us.
We've made the decision to not

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do groups in that time and we
recommend to actually have a

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break exactly that.
Same for schools.

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We're saying here like if
schools, you know, if you're

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offering some actual half term
boosters, why?

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Like, OK, and in your point is,
it's because normally it's

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because there's a lot of
pressure and that pressure can

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lead to those boosters not being
as helpful, maybe being a bit

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stressful, being a bit boring
potentially.

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And there are some amazing
teachers out there who'd push

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back because I know I've seen
them myself who do boosters and

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have done boosters in this half
term and I've seen videos and it

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looks really fun.
It looks really nice.

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So you you're not trying to
paint.

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No, I, I think it's actually a
really complex issue genuinely.

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And I think there are obviously
situations where it's fine and

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there are even situations where
I might look at them and go,

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well, that's stressful.
Kids are not very nice.

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And some of those kids still
enjoy it and it's actually good

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for them.
I think there was lots of loads

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of crossover.
I just think in general, in

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general, we should be
prioritising maybe having an

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actual break in those holidays.
Like you said, you can't control

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every variable.
There are going to be parents

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who just who would literally say
to the teachers, can we have

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something though for over the
half term?

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I want, you know, we just want
to do literally like an hour

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over half term.
Is there like a little pack or

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something we can work on?
And I don't think it's the worst

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thing in the world for a school
to say, yeah, sure, here's an

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optional little pack of stuff.
It's like a revision booklet if

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you really want to.
And they really want to do it

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because it's because it's kind
of you can't control everything.

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If the parent wants to do that
with that child, whether the

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child likes it or not, that it's
under the parents control at

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that point.
And I think going back to our

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tutoring service, ultimately,
although we, yeah, we do offer

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basically booster sessions.
We offer extra learning

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opportunities after school in
term time.

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We do also have a bunch of
resources you can download and

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pay for on a website.
And will some people pay for the

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pay for those and use them over
the half term?

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Yes.
Does that make us automatically

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awful?
I don't think so.

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I still think it's good for us.
When we recommend our parents,

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we literally say to them, please
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Breaks are really important for
your children.

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Let's drill down to term time
then because we are obviously

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our our Year 6 lessons are
English and Maths and they are

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during term time.
They'll be after school at some

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point.
If the equivalent was happening

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and a school was putting them
on, is that acceptable?

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So for example, if a school is
saying, OK, OK, kids on

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Wednesday, after school, SAT
booster revision club.

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I've I get the impression that
your base reaction to that would

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be don't do that because what's
going on, you know, if a school

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is paying the teacher over time
to do it and the children are

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choosing to go, is there a
problem with that?

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In principle, no, genuinely no,
like otherwise we'd be a massive

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hypocrite.
Everything we offer, like we

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literally offer a service where
people could get one or two

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hours a week of extra learning
outside of school times, after

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school hours.
And it's and it's obviously

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optional because it's a
business.

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We make, we make money from it,
right?

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You're not going to pretend it's
also always we're such good

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people.
We're just doing it for the

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love.
No, we are making profit from

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that and tutors are getting paid
and a service is being delivered

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to paying customers, parents of
of children, right?

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That exists.
I obviously don't think that's

450
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terrible, otherwise I wouldn't
do it.

451
00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,480
So in the same light, I don't
think it's terrible if schools

452
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,280
have some.
If anything it's great because

453
00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,320
it it's probably free for the
children at school, right?

454
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,840
If they're often that thing
after school.

455
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,040
The only time I get sceptical is
when that comes with because a

456
00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,920
school is inherently held
accountable by those stats.

457
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,280
We're not we're held, we're held
accountable by the profit we

458
00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,400
make, right.
So I get it right.

459
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,440
But we even with that, I mean
maybe just table businessman, we

460
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,560
don't, we don't market these
groups at all.

461
00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,040
If anything, just clarification.
We spent about three years

462
00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,120
basically not offering this
service because we didn't want

463
00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:57,840
to fall in.
We didn't want to do what we

464
00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,320
think is bad.
Like regarding like, you know,

465
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,000
actually like really making kids
feel like overly pressured and

466
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,160
overwhelmed, which is what some
schools I think can do.

467
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,840
When they put on these extra
groups, they put the pressure

468
00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,240
with it and it's a net loss.
We spent years bang parents off

469
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,080
basically because they were
literally asking us to.

470
00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,200
Like we had people coming for us
from year 4, Year 5, and they're

471
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,680
saying, oh, my kid loves this
club, which is what it was for

472
00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,560
them.
Can you do it in year 6 as well?

473
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,240
And we're like, no, we don't
want to because we don't want to

474
00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,120
be pushing.
That's pressure.

475
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,400
And actually in the end we were
like, well, they literally just

476
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:27,640
want to learn more English and
maths.

477
00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,400
So we started that service.
So I still think there's lots of

478
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,120
nuances and little
clarifications.

479
00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:33,840
I think there are plenty of
schools who do it great.

480
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,440
And I don't think inherently
it's a bad thing.

481
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,680
It's, it's, it can be a nice
option for, you know, kids to

482
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,880
come after school if anything,
if that means they're not doing

483
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,320
it in their afternoon time and
ruining their curriculum.

484
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:44,520
Yeah, exactly.
Like history and stuff.

485
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:45,640
I'm like, OK, actually, you know
what?

486
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,080
Do that instead because at least
then this is optional and the

487
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,320
kids that want it can.
Come and fundamentally, the

488
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,920
teachers should be getting paid.
If they're not getting paid,

489
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,480
they're not being exploited.
There's lots of other things

490
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,520
along with it.
So in terms of actual SAT

491
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,800
boosters, you're not then
necessarily just against all SAT

492
00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,880
boosters ever?
No, it's, it's the context in

493
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,680
which they give it as well.
And if the context exactly lines

494
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,480
up with our private tutoring
company, then it's obviously

495
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:05,920
good.
That's the good one.

496
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,280
That's the good version.
Do you know how I can summarise

497
00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:07,920
it genuinely?
Right.

498
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,200
The context is this number one,
are the people providing the

499
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,480
service being paid fairly for
it?

500
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,760
Cool.
That has to tick a box #2 Are

501
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,160
the children that are going
happy to go and they want to go

502
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,560
like genuinely, that's it.
And #3 is, is the school making

503
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,040
some effort, some effort to
think about the, it might be

504
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,600
putting on staff, the pressure
it might be putting on children

505
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,600
and just factoring that into the
decision.

506
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,360
If they're not factoring in at
all, I think it's a dangerous

507
00:19:30,360 --> 00:19:31,760
game.
They are factoring it in.

508
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040
I think they can come to very
sensible conclusions and offer

509
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,880
really lovely booster services
for children to learn more

510
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,560
English, maths.
I think it's there's a nice

511
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,320
middle ground there.
Yeah, we don't not think

512
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,240
intervention should exactly go.
So obviously it can be good.

513
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,840
It's just because it's got that
SAT booster against it.

514
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,120
That's the reason because
ultimately I think most teachers

515
00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:51,680
think the Sats are a complete
waste of time.

516
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,160
Yeah.
So when it's got that attached

517
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,680
to it, it's like, but no, when
you actually dive into what

518
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,720
you're doing in those lessons,
and I can only talk from our

519
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,360
experience of our lessons of
English and maths.

520
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,760
They're learning English and
maths.

521
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,960
Yeah, they're doing about
English and maths.

522
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,920
So it, it can be good.
But you know, ultimately it's

523
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,600
still, it is still frustrating.
And you're absolutely right.

524
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,760
I've got notes here with this
whole thing's about SAT.

525
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,280
The biggest thing that comes to
my mind is please stop taking my

526
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,960
children from my lesson out of
my afternoons to do more English

527
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,760
and maths.
Just to be clear, yeah, it

528
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,440
literally wrote the words.
Including the F word in this

529
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,120
document multiple times because
that is what is so annoying to

530
00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,240
me.
And that's how people can be

531
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,120
like, well, you do tutoring.
Yeah.

532
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,360
After school.
It doesn't eat into their PE

533
00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:33,160
time.
Yeah.

534
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,640
What are we doing?
In a school?

535
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,480
Children will do six hours of
maths a week and probably more

536
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,720
than that of English a week.
Yeah.

537
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,120
OK.
Do we need to really ever be

538
00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:47,000
taking children out of afternoon
lessons to teach them where a

539
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,760
comma should go in a relative
clause?

540
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,640
No, of course we shouldn't be
doing that.

541
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,480
What?
No one can convince me.

542
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,120
I've heard no convincing
argument yet as to why that's an

543
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,400
acceptable thing to do, and I'm
talking specifically when it

544
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,840
takes away from the other
lesson.

545
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,720
Imagine being a child who is
less confident in English, which

546
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,400
is the reason they're in the
group, by the way, in the first

547
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,680
place, and therefore means you
miss other lessons because of

548
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,680
it.
English becomes it's almost like

549
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,920
you've committed a crime, here's
your punishment, even more of

550
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,200
the thing you hate and you're
not very good at.

551
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,240
Let's try it for another half an
hour.

552
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,120
You still probably won't get it
because you didn't get in six

553
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,040
hours you did this week.
In place of the lesson that you

554
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,240
do actually like and feel.
Constantly.

555
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,000
You love PA, you're fantastic at
tennis.

556
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,320
And.
And the worst thing I absolutely

557
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,920
hated was when you'd get them
ready, get their change for PA.

558
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,640
You're going outside, you got
all the equipment ready, right,

559
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,200
guys?
First drill and then someone

560
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,480
comes out.
Can I have this place, this,

561
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,880
this, this person, please.
Yeah.

562
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,480
The kids look like they want to
cry because they just want to

563
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,800
join in with the PA lesson.
I hate that and we are taking

564
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,680
them away from that because they
need to go and sit in a dingy

565
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,800
room with someone and look at a
past spag paper.

566
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,680
It is absolutely disgusting and
I hate it and there is no one

567
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,200
who can convince me otherwise
and I don't care how much

568
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,440
pressure there is on a school.
I don't care.

569
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,200
There comes a point where the
pressure stops being an excuse

570
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,680
because I see it too often with
people online with comments

571
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,360
saying you can't moan it,
teachers or leaders because it's

572
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:08,040
the pressure from the top.
OK, but there is a line where it

573
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,280
is, it becomes unacceptable.
There's certain stuff the

574
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,640
pressure can affect you doing,
but when it comes to a child

575
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,320
starts crying because they're
only PE lesson this week that

576
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,360
they're really looking forward
to.

577
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,200
They can't do it anymore because
you're going to take them to do

578
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,400
an extra bit of English.
And instead of having 6 1/2

579
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,880
hours of English that week and
one hour of PE, which is

580
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,600
disgusting already, let me make
that clear.

581
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,480
One hour of PE is not enough.
Instead of that, they've now got

582
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,400
7 hours of English, an extra
half an hour of maths and

583
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,160
they're not going to miss their
PE completely.

584
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,520
What world are we living in
where we think that's

585
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,200
acceptable?
There's no amount of pressure

586
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,760
that makes you think it's OK to
inflict that on a child, make

587
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,600
them upset because it's the only
lesson they look forward to that

588
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:45,520
week and they just sat in a
room.

589
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,520
You're not fostering a love for
master English, you're in

590
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,880
creating pressure for a test
that they're struggling with

591
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,240
anyway and you're taking away
the one thing they love.

592
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,400
Every week in the classroom is
disgusting.

593
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,360
Yeah.
And let's not forget the nice

594
00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:00,040
little bit of extra context.
The icing on the cake is the

595
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,800
fact that that child that's been
taken is only only being taken

596
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,560
because their number is close to
100.

597
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,400
Yeah, yeah.
Because they're close, they'll

598
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,960
be children who, if you looked
on paper, would technically

599
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,960
maybe need more support.
Yeah, and they're not getting.

600
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,760
Left behind, then I'll gain it
because I didn't know I would

601
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,720
give.
I can't get those.

602
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,360
PE is important.
How many can't?

603
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,160
Take them out.
PE is important.

604
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,200
For them, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's that?

605
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,560
They can't, they can't read
properly yet.

606
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,280
Well, they need PE, don't they?
What's that?

607
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,520
They don't know how to tick
twice in a box.

608
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,160
Let's do that test technique
because that's really important

609
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,880
all of a sudden.
Yeah.

610
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,280
It is an absolute game.
It's an absolute sham.

611
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,800
There's it doesn't wash with me.
Oh, pressure from the top.

612
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,840
Look out for the kids.
Part of your job should be to

613
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320
absorb that pressure because
it's children that's involved.

614
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,160
There has to be a barrier
between pressure from top.

615
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,320
You child, it's your job to
absorb that pressure.

616
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,920
So when it when it, when you
just say, oh, people from the

617
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,240
top are making my life hell.
So you're going to make the kids

618
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,800
life hell?
Do you think that's OK?

619
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,320
Who are you aiming this at right
now?

620
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,040
Because what's interesting?
Teachers and leaders.

621
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,760
You, you never taught in your
six, No.

622
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,440
So you've got a unique
perspective here where you can

623
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,040
say this kind of from a high
horse perspective of you never

624
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,200
actually taught your six
yourself.

625
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,760
I taught this for a long time
and I never in multiple schools

626
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560
and I never ever taught a year
of your 6 where there weren't at

627
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,520
least some of these boosters
that you're describing that I

628
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,880
had to do.
But my point is these boosters

629
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,920
and things still happen in the
lower year groups as well.

630
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,040
Yeah, boosters and English
interventions and maths boosters

631
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,560
still happen in afternoons in
those lessons.

632
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,640
So I see it happening even when
there's no pressure at all.

633
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,160
That's why I get even more
you've done more angry I hate.

634
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,000
It yeah, I hate it, but you've
done them because.

635
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
It's my job and I got told to do
it and I didn't.

636
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,960
What I'm saying is I didn't make
it into a thing where it's huge

637
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,440
pressure and I'm going to put in
the kids now.

638
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,160
And, and I'll be perfectly
honest with you, I practise what

639
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,960
I preached because when the kids
are doing PE, I didn't take them

640
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,920
out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

641
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,280
I didn't do it.
I didn't take them out.

642
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,320
And I and I carouseled over
lessons.

643
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,200
Yeah, Yeah.
And I said, OK what, what did

644
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,600
you miss last week?
You won't miss it this week.

645
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,880
And when it came to PE and I, I
can't say this now because I'm

646
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,520
not in the job anymore.
Every single time I took kids

647
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,720
out of PE, I said to them, do
you want to do PE or do you want

648
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,360
to do the group?
And if they said they wanted to

649
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:03,400
do the group, they came into the
group.

650
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,640
If they said they wanted to do
PEI said go and do PE.

651
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,840
Yeah.
Every time.

652
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,320
Yeah, yeah.
And that was when it got to the

653
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,200
end.
Like obviously I'm not going to

654
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,840
pretend I was an ECT.
I was doing that because I

655
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,960
didn't have the confidence to do
that.

656
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,680
But when I got to the point
where I'm actually, actually

657
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,080
like, well, you know, I'm in a
professional here and I am

658
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,120
taking this child out of their
only PE lesson this week.

659
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,920
I I refuse to do that.
So when you say I did it, I did

660
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,160
to it.
Yeah, of course I offered them.

661
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,960
But I, I equally I, and if
someone pulled me up on that,

662
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,280
I'd say, yeah, they'd get 10
minutes to PE otherwise this

663
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,200
week.
So I'd stand to PE.

664
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,480
But ultimately, you still took
kids out of afternoon lessons.

665
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,360
Yeah.
Regardless, even even it wasn't

666
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,080
PE.
Yeah, so you never.

667
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,400
Spanish and Spanish is.
Right.

668
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,360
But just a minute ago you very
passionately, I'm just

669
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,160
challenging a little bit.
You very passionately said it

670
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,640
doesn't wash and you don't think
it.

671
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,600
You don't think teachers can
have the excuse of oh, well,

672
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,720
there's all the pressure from
top down.

673
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,360
But you literally said, oh, I
have to do it, it's my job.

674
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:50,880
Yeah, Yeah.
So.

675
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320
When I when I talk about I'm
saying adults in a school, do

676
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,400
you want to say teachers and
leaders?

677
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,400
Yeah, I think adults in the
school as a whole, Yeah.

678
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,480
Think I want to band together
ultimately hide a boss.

679
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Yeah.
And that's what I mean when

680
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,040
people say, oh, the pressure
from the top down means I have

681
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,800
to do this.
Dah, dah, dah, dah.

682
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Yeah, Yeah.
OK.

683
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,920
I turned around and told him I
didn't want to do it.

684
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,200
Yeah.
And you still have to and.

685
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,720
But then I got moved off it and
it became my my Ugrid leader did

686
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000
it in the second part as well.
I still enjoyed doing them.

687
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760
I still enjoyed doing boosters.
But ultimately my point ended up

688
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,520
being that I did give the kids a
choice.

689
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,880
Yeah, I did Like, I literally
said to them, like, look, and

690
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320
and I carouseled it around
today, we're missing less of

691
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,520
every subject.
Yeah, yeah.

692
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Yeah.
So I don't, I completely

693
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,680
disagree with them.
Absolutely.

694
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,760
And I think you should push
back.

695
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320
And I did push back.
And I think there are some,

696
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,120
there are some lessons.
And I'm going to be perfectly

697
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,760
honest again, I'm sorry, Spanish
or MFL people right?

698
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,000
But to to me PE was a court in
my head.

699
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,720
Of course, subject Yeah, a kid
should not be missing they.

700
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,880
Just cannot for.
Anything for anything it would

701
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
be like that you you would not
get someone coming into your

702
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,080
English lesson to take them out
for for PE booster.

703
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,200
Yeah yeah, yeah, that wouldn't
happen yeah right.

704
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,840
So I in my head, it appears
sacrosanct to me.

705
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,040
Yeah.
And there are certain lessons

706
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,280
that are sacrosanct and I
completely.

707
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Disagree, it's true isn't it?
You in in in maths and English.

708
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,480
You don't get people coming in
to take those kids out to do

709
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,360
boosters in other subjects.
Yeah, well, sometimes you get

710
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,040
people to come in to take them
out for a music lesson.

711
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,640
Yeah, that's true.
Music has always had this

712
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,520
universal like, yeah, Trump
telling, doesn't it?

713
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,560
Especially when it's like a
private.

714
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,440
By the way, I I liked.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

715
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,200
Because we did nothing.
Not the end of the world, is it?

716
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,440
We did nothing but.
But yeah, in general though, in

717
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,160
general, it's a lot more like
straightforward.

718
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,160
It's a lot more expected that if
you're teaching a history

719
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,320
lesson, that four of your kids
at any point could be taken out

720
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,760
to some random group you didn't
even realise.

721
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Exactly.
Whereas that is very unlike less

722
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,720
likely to happen during a maths
lesson.

723
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,760
Someone takes them out to, we
got to do a French intervention.

724
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,400
Yeah.
So he's like, no, sorry, they

725
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,120
don't do maths.
And interventions do have to

726
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,520
happen at some point in the day.
Yeah, of course.

727
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,240
I'm not an idiot.
I understand all of this.

728
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,000
But I just think it needs to be
done in a way where it's not

729
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,040
every single week as well.
And it's because you you're

730
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,880
arbitrary next to this line.
Yeah, the interventions I did

731
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,360
were really are targeted and
short.

732
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,120
They weren't ongoing
interventions for weeks and

733
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,200
weeks and weeks and weeks.
It was, here's a group of

734
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,960
children who need this gap
addressed.

735
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,040
I'm gonna address it with them.
It's gonna be a small part of

736
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,480
the afternoon, and I always did
it at a point in the afternoon

737
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,880
where it wasn't disruptive to
the lesson.

738
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,120
And if it wasn't a lesson that I
deemed as just too important and

739
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,400
I'm, I've got no qualms in
saying this PE was on that

740
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,640
pedestal.
I always gave the kids choice.

741
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,880
And sometimes I said to them,
just going to PE.

742
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,320
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

743
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Because actually, if they wanted
to, they needed to.

744
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,680
PE because we had a carousel at
our school where they'd do like

745
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,080
PE for a certain part of the
afternoon.

746
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720
If I ever had to take kids out,
I'd be like, you literally are

747
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,280
going to go and join the other
class now and do PE.

748
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,240
Yeah, I I made sure no one ever
missed out on APE.

749
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,120
Yeah, exactly.
But OK, let's let's take to the

750
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,440
next level because ultimately
it's quite.

751
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,840
It's more common in year 6
during that SAT window, however

752
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,160
long that is.
Might be a month, might be two

753
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,800
terms.
Some schools it's more, it's

754
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,400
more more systematic in terms of
it's quite often that a whole

755
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,440
afternoon every single week or
multiple afternoons a week will

756
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,800
divert from whatever the normal
curriculum was and become

757
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,200
additional English and maths
lessons.

758
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
That's, that's like quite a
standard practise across a lot

759
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,880
of schools to some extent,
right?

760
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,160
It's some give and take.
That's a little bit different I

761
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,320
think from to a like a 20 minute
intervention every now and then

762
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,680
or once a week, right?
It's, it's, it's all the kids

763
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080
missing out on everything
constantly for weeks on end

764
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,360
preparing for that.
So do you think I, I, I did that

765
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,400
for my whole career?
Yeah.

766
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,120
Not because I wanted to, yeah,
but very much because like, like

767
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,480
literally that's what I've been
told to do.

768
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Like, I have to do as I'm told.
So do you think I'm a shill for

769
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,720
like and I'm AII should be
accountable for that?

770
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,520
Only a teacher.
Only if you rolled over and

771
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,400
didn't say anything about it.
If if you just rolled over and

772
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:20,200
went I hate this but hey ho.
My point is in the day you're a

773
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,960
teacher who knows the kids
better than anyone who's a

774
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,080
professional.
And you and I clearly thought

775
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760
this is bad.
So when I did the groups myself,

776
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,280
I tried to manage those things
that I think were bad and I took

777
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,160
it upon myself that if someone
moaned at me it's my fault.

778
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,360
It's not the kids fault.
I'm not going to make the kids

779
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,440
miss PE constantly because of
it.

780
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,600
If someone came out and said oh,
why didn't you do that group

781
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,000
with them?
I'd say because otherwise I

782
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,800
wouldn't do PE this week.
And I've made that decision.

783
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,440
And it doesn't have to be
anything to do with the kids.

784
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,160
There has to be some shielding
from you as the adult sure to

785
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,800
give the kids the best thing.
What if you work in a school

786
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,680
where where?
Because we work in a very nice

787
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,240
school.
So what if you work in a school

788
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,680
where that results in a
disciplinary action?

789
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,320
You get three of those and you
go to a hearing and you get

790
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,160
fired and it's like horrendously
toxic.

791
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480
I don't work in a school.
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to work

792
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,280
on.
That we need a job and they

793
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,400
haven't got another job coming
up.

794
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,080
Right now you're just, you are
just in that school right that

795
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,240
moment.
Like, do you make that decision?

796
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,720
Life.
Life's too short.

797
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,440
I'm not going to make kids
life's hell because I've got a

798
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,760
crap boss.
End of story.

799
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,400
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to do that.

800
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,120
So if it was that bad, yeah,
that you had to be doing these

801
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,920
things that were just completely
detrimental to the kids

802
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,400
constantly.
And I just refused to do it.

803
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160
And then they somehow got around
somehow that's disciplinary and

804
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,240
they managed to fire me somehow.
See you later.

805
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,440
I don't want to work in that
school.

806
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,320
And there's other schools who
won't hire me because of that.

807
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,520
They don't work in that school
either.

808
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,000
So I'm not, I'm not.
I just don't want to become

809
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,480
this, this shill of like going
completely against all of my

810
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600
morals and values because I have
a bad boss that lets the bad

811
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,440
boss get away with it.
And I can, by the way, I

812
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,040
completely understand there were
people listening.

813
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,960
I know I just got on with it.
I understand.

814
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,800
I don't understand most people.
I don't know.

815
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,560
I genuinely understand that.
I I honestly do honestly,

816
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,560
because I've just got a certain
personality type where I'll be

817
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680
spiteful for the sake of it.
And I don't even think this is

818
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,600
for the take of it at this
point.

819
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,600
I think it's justified my point
as well.

820
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,720
When I said teachers and
leaders, I'm just saying as a

821
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,000
whole, there is clearly
something in that system in that

822
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,400
hierarchy before it gets to the
kids really broken there.

823
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,360
And if you're just a part of
that broken cog that doesn't

824
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,200
even attempt to try and fix
something, then I think it's not

825
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,160
necessarily your fault because
it could be coming from above

826
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,240
you, but you are part of the
problem.

827
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,760
And and there has to be a point
where you look at it and you go,

828
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520
this is literally we're talking
about toxic schools, but not

829
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,400
just a generic school right now.
I'm talking about a horrible

830
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,880
system where kids are not given
what they need and made them

831
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,600
feel like crap because they've
constantly got so much pressure

832
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,000
on them.
They don't do any afternoon

833
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,480
lessons at all.
It's just constant English and

834
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,520
maths and they're burning out
and they and they're upset

835
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,800
because they're not getting any
like PE are kids upset because

836
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,920
we're bit you're dragging out PE
to do more English and maths.

837
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,160
OK, ultimately for the school
stats to look about.

838
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,520
Yeah.
Not because if we stripped

839
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120
everything back and just looked
at it, what's better for that

840
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,160
kid to do right now?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 99% of people

841
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,280
would say PE.
Yeah.

842
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,760
OK.
If we're if we're not doing that

843
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,720
simply because of the pressure
from the school, the school need

844
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,840
to look at themselves in the
system and do something about

845
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,240
it.
Yeah, yeah.

846
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Instead of just washing their
hands and saying, oh, the system

847
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,480
pressure.
No, I agree.

848
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,680
So we have to do something and
you can even carry on doing

849
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,160
those groups and no, I've got to
do something.

850
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Arrange a meeting with your with
your line manager.

851
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,160
It can carry on for a bit.
I'm obviously that has to happen

852
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,240
sometimes.
But you try and do something

853
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,720
about it, try and improve it.
And if you don't, you just roll

854
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,720
over and you accept it.
And you get annoyed at people

855
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,200
like me online for raising it
and saying, well, don't blame me

856
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,960
when you've not tried to do
anything yourself.

857
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,320
You can fuck off.
Like it's not my fault.

858
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200
It's not my fault.
What I'm saying is what I'm

859
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920
saying here isn't unreasonable.
And if you don't even bother to

860
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,880
try and fix it or do anything
about it, then why you moaning

861
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,400
at me?
You've decided to not bother

862
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200
trying to do anything about it.
Why are you moaning at me?

863
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,760
I'm just raising it.
I'm not even blaming you.

864
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,280
If you listen to what I said,
there were people who get

865
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600
annoyed at what I've just said.
They've not listened to what

866
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,600
I've said clearly.
Yeah.

867
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,440
Because if you think children
are getting a bad deal, do

868
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,040
something about it because
you're an adult.

869
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,600
As a professional who's in
charge of them.

870
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Yeah.
Try and do something about at.

871
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,600
Least try and be a voice.
Try in that school.

872
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,080
You might fail.
Try, because what's going to

873
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,240
happen otherwise?
Well, sorry Jimmy, no.

874
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,200
PE for you for two months it's
my job to do what's worse for

875
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,280
children, I.
Know I hope what I'm saying

876
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,200
comes across.
I get frustrated because

877
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
ultimately it's the kids who
have a crap time in these

878
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,000
situations.
And it is ultimately, I thought

879
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,240
always my role as a teacher to
be protecting the children as

880
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040
much as possible.
And I didn't find it acceptable

881
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,360
to just simply say, well, I've
been told, yeah, I didn't.

882
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,880
I didn't watch for.
Me, one thing I've always liked,

883
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,720
if you know, if you're
listening, thinking, Oh my God,

884
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,840
like this is overwhelming.
What do I do?

885
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Like if you're in that
situation, One thing I always

886
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,040
helped found helped my brain and
also was a good thing, a good

887
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,960
conversation starter with
leadership.

888
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,440
If you want to open the doors to
let's try and maybe change

889
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,080
something about the system.
Because if we are in a school

890
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,880
where actually, yeah, the kids
get this crap deal because we

891
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800
serve SAT's data rather than
serving actual children's needs,

892
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,800
which is generally what happens.
The conversation I always find

893
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,520
very, very interesting is for
this key Stage 2 paper, remember

894
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,800
there's, there's four years of
that.

895
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Remember that when it's a month
before and, and it's the worst,

896
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,960
biggest pressure in the world
and you feel all the personal

897
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,760
burden as the year 6 teacher of
of course I have to, I have to

898
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,600
cave and roll over and do all
these SAS boosters because

899
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,200
ultimately they need to make
this progress because it's so

900
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,080
important.
Just remember that there were

901
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,199
four years before that where
they were also learning.

902
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,400
And all of those years were
literally equally important in

903
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,679
terms of getting them ready for
this test.

904
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,280
Half of the key Stage 2 paper is
year 3-4 and five content.

905
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,159
You could not even do two year 6
and have mastered year 3-4 and

906
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,719
five everything, which is
obviously a silly reality but as

907
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,280
as an analogy and technically
still get expected on that exam.

908
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,040
So when that pressure is on a
month before Sats in year 6, use

909
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,760
that as a conversation starter
of OK, cool, I get the pressure

910
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,120
on this year.
What can we do next year to help

911
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,840
alleviate this in this four year
process?

912
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Why are we leaving it to the
last month or the last term or

913
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,480
the last two terms to feel all
the pressure and make and

914
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,600
literally ruin the children's
days when we could have maybe

915
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,400
tried to tackle this problem
over 4 years rather than two

916
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,560
terms.
Like I find that's a good a good

917
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480
conversation.
And that's why I like maths too,

918
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,800
because you can get it in early,
you can get them really good at

919
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,920
arithmetic from from down below.
It's all the way through school.

920
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Arithmetic's just sorted.
It's all about foundations.

921
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,360
It's all about the foundations.
I'm really solid at it.

922
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,560
You don't need to be cramming
arithmetic when it comes to the

923
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960
end of year six.
You can spend your time then in

924
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,960
lessons really thinking about
how to solve problems and reason

925
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,280
and become better
mathematicians.

926
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,680
So I'd say yeah, well, just try
maths.

927
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,320
So down in the description
below, click the link.

928
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Get a completely free trial for
Term 5.

929
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,360
Why not?
It's free.

930
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,880
There's no strings attached.
Help your kids.

931
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Maybe you could do it at maths.
So as an intervention in the

932
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,160
afternoon?
Yeah, Instead of instead of PA.

933
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000
Split the script, baby, We got
to make money.

934
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,400
I feel like I got really annoyed
at someone imaginary in that in

935
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,800
that rant.
It was very passionate and.

936
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,480
I care about kids and their
outcomes so much.

937
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,960
So much.
I know that that that's where

938
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,040
all this comes from because it
just winds me up when we wash

939
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,600
our hands of stuff because it's
uncomfortable for us and we're

940
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,400
happy seeing that
uncomfortableness pass on to

941
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,040
children.
Don't like it?

942
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,400
Let's finish this part of the
conversation by maybe then just

943
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,680
talking about on a slightly more
positive note than I guess at

944
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,320
the end of the day, positive.
At the end of the day, as you

945
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
said with Matsu, the SAS do
exist.

946
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,360
Though yes, of course.
You will actually be held

947
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,120
accountable for it and so will
the school.

948
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,680
And it is ultimately in the
system in the best interest for

949
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,840
the children to be as prepared
as they can be and feel good

950
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,000
going into that exam and just
doing the best they can, right?

951
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,560
It's not good for them to be
feeling stressed, overwhelmed,

952
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
and feeling all the pressure,
the school's pressure on them.

953
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Like really, it doesn't actually
affect them that much, right?

954
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,480
So let's talk about in that, in
that lead up then what can we

955
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,520
actually do with the kids to
help them relax?

956
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,480
OK, even in SAT's week itself or
in the I.

957
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Mean you're literally a year 6
teacher.

958
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,800
Sophie you.
Should.

959
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,760
Yeah, sure.
But I will just start with my

960
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,360
view of a general thing where
you can go into more detail.

961
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,400
My, my, my generic advice for
everyone in this, in this

962
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,320
period, because ultimately you,
you all, all your groups do an

963
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,080
end of year tests.
That is ultimately what you're

964
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,400
judged on to your progress
meeting, etcetera.

965
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,200
So we feel it to a degree.
Yeah, My my main advice here is

966
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,520
teach normally, plug gaps that
you normally would do what you

967
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,400
normally do in lessons because
you wouldn't normally do it if

968
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,440
it was bad.
Yeah.

969
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,240
Don't just think, oh, oh, sorry,
it's a month before SAT, so I

970
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,440
better completely, fundamentally
change how I teach to the good

971
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,280
version.
No, you've been doing the good

972
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,760
version of.
She wouldn't have been doing

973
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,000
that for eight months.
Yeah.

974
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,160
So just back yourself.
What you've been doing for eight

975
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,600
months is good.
You can't magically make kids

976
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,520
learn more because if you could
magically make kids learn more

977
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,000
in a short period of time, you
just have done that from

978
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,600
September.
Yeah.

979
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,160
So you know, it's not the best
thing to do.

980
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,520
In in November, do you just
randomly put a lesson in your

981
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,440
week where the whole lessons
were about cramming a bunch of

982
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,560
knowledge for the next day for
some reason?

983
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:28,800
Exactly.
We're going to cram loads of

984
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,840
knowledge today for today so
that tomorrow we've got all this

985
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,080
knowledge fresh in our head for
that reason.

986
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,240
Yeah, but you?
Don't.

987
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,760
You don't do that.
You only do that for a test.

988
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,360
Yeah, yeah.
And and you know, OK, there is,

989
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,560
there's obviously some room for
a bit of revision and they still

990
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,880
got to come up and stuff.
But it we know it's not the best

991
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,800
way of teaching kids.
So if you've got a month left

992
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,880
until the test, just keep
teaching them like the way you

993
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,440
know is good because that's what
you've been doing.

994
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,200
So yeah, that's my generic 1 is.
Just don't fall into the trap of

995
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,960
thinking you need to completely
transform what you're doing,

996
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,760
because if that was the case,
you would have transformed it

997
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,120
six months ago.
Here's an interesting one.

998
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,800
Do you think it's bad to show
kids because you wouldn't

999
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,960
normally do it in November or
you wouldn't do it the year

1000
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,120
before?
You think it's bad to show them

1001
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480
like test questions?
I would normally do it November.

1002
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,520
There you go.
So I think it's absolutely fine.

1003
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,680
It's just another tool of it's
maths at the end of the day.

1004
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520
It's a type of question.
You see, when I do arithmetic

1005
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,680
starters with my class, I
constantly do them in the start

1006
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200
of what would come up in the
test because why wouldn't I?

1007
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160
It's just arithmetic.
When it comes to reasoning and

1008
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,520
problem solving, the types of
question that I ask, it's a

1009
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,000
mixture of stuff.
Stuff I write myself, stuff I

1010
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,800
get from providers like maybe
White Rose etcetera.

1011
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,280
And lots of stuff is past test
papers because they're all maths

1012
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,800
papers.
And I think familiarisation is

1013
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,360
not the same as cramming.
I think children being able to

1014
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,000
see what questions will look
like and knowing what the test

1015
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600
paper will look like and looking
what the answer box will look

1016
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,640
like and what it means to show
your method etcetera.

1017
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,920
All of these things are useful
things You should drip feed over

1018
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,600
time.
Yeah, you should be, you should

1019
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,760
be doing it in November.
I, I, my first lesson of the

1020
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,760
year, I'd have I, I would not be
against you having a test

1021
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,080
question up, because it's just a
question at the end of the day

1022
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,760
and you normalise it through
doing that.

1023
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,320
Yeah, yeah.
So.

1024
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,280
Possibly.
That's fine familiarising

1025
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,440
really, because ultimately like,
yeah, why would you, why would

1026
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,160
you not want them to be familiar
with the layout?

1027
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Like I don't want them to be
stressed on the day if that that

1028
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,840
would help them not be stressed.
Is that they know what this kind

1029
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960
of format looks like kind of.
Makes sense if you would have

1030
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,840
been answering that type of
question anyway, yeah.

1031
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,960
Why can't it just look like a
test start question?

1032
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,080
That's no problem.
Great.

1033
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,240
And any last wise words from you
in, in terms of, you know, not

1034
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,080
making the kids feel rubbish?
This is based on my little rant

1035
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,160
I had a minute ago.
Yeah.

1036
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,320
But remember, I think people do
forget sometimes that we, it's

1037
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
me and you in my loft and we're
not teaching kids right now.

1038
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,880
People do forget that it's like
how these guys would be like

1039
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,840
this in the classroom.
I'm not remotely like this in

1040
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,280
the classroom, obviously.
So the biggest thing I always

1041
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,960
say to people is control your
emotions and your stress because

1042
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,360
it will drip down to the kids.
Yeah.

1043
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,160
Do you think I would dream for a
second of talking what the the

1044
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,120
way I am in this podcast you've
seen me teach.

1045
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's it is completely different.

1046
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,440
You are that classes vessel of
education.

1047
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,720
You're you're their beacon.
You're their guide.

1048
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
You're the head of the class.
You're the person they look to

1049
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,880
when they learned for the year.
Yeah.

1050
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,760
You're the person who is between
them and the curriculum and the

1051
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,200
government and the SLT everyone.
You're you're you're the you're

1052
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,840
the face of everything.
You.

1053
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,120
So the way you act and the way
you are will.

1054
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,600
Seep into your kids.
So do you know what?

1055
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,560
Absolutely.
Year six teachers up and down

1056
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,760
the country will be in
environments where they feel

1057
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,360
extremely stressed.
They'll be in environments where

1058
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,000
they feel like they're at the
end of their tether, they're

1059
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,560
overworked, they're tired,
they're knackered, snappy,

1060
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,720
snappy, horrible, etcetera.
And it's it's not what they're

1061
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:39,040
like, but they're in their
environment as best as you can.

1062
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,360
Firstly, obviously try and fix
it obviously, because we don't

1063
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,680
want you to be over overtired or
banged out etcetera.

1064
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
But secondly, and the teachers
do this, I'm teaching me with

1065
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,800
the suck eggs put on that show
for the kids.

1066
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,360
Definitely, yeah.
As best as you can.

1067
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,600
It's got to be in the forefront
of your mind, no matter how you

1068
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,280
feel, not dripping down the
pressure like you.

1069
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,240
Like you literally said, right?
That passionate rant you had on

1070
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,200
this podcast is obviously
because we're in a room as a

1071
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,000
podcast, right?
You wouldn't talk like that,

1072
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,040
never to 30 kids, but you would
do it to thousands of listeners

1073
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,720
and dripped, I'm dripped down
that you know that that anxiety

1074
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,320
and that anxiety, I'm joking.
Anxiety is the opposite of.

1075
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Anything that you spent the
whole time talking.

1076
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,280
Then I was thinking, I really
want to make this little joke.

1077
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,400
I really want to make this
little joke.

1078
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,640
At first it started off with you
don't mind doing it to me.

1079
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,000
And then I was like, hang on,
hang on.

1080
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Thousands of listeners.
No, but you're absolutely right,

1081
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,600
you know, at the end of the day.
Yeah, and I'm talking to adults.

1082
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,640
Yeah, speaking to 8 year olds
is.

1083
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,360
Different.
Exactly.

1084
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,720
I do think that's also a very
big difference a lot of time.

1085
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,200
Yeah, definitely.
I think there are also a few

1086
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,880
things I'll just go through.
I just wrote a little list of

1087
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,080
like actually in SATS weeks, OK
because.

1088
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,320
You've done this.
Yeah, it's true.

1089
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,200
My experience, you know, and
again, I've, I've taught Sats,

1090
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,520
I've taught year 6IN different
schools as well.

1091
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,280
So I've had some different
experiences under different

1092
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,360
leaders, all sorts of things,
right?

1093
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,080
And there are some things where
I'm like, you know what, these

1094
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,160
are just nice practises because
the Sats does exist and the kids

1095
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,920
are going to be there doing it.
So there are some things you can

1096
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,320
obviously do just to make it a
bit more relaxing children,

1097
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,440
right, on top of all the stuff
you said that we should be doing

1098
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,680
really just in the whole year
leading.

1099
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Up to it #1 Cheat number.
One cheat, yeah #1 cheat, yeah

1100
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,280
#2 cheats and more no #1
communal breakfast.

1101
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,040
There was something about it.
We've done that a few years of

1102
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,040
my career and there was
something about just offering a

1103
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,880
breakfast to the children when
they come in and they're all

1104
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,560
together and the whole point is
you make it really light hearted

1105
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,120
and fun and chilled.
And as teachers, you're just

1106
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,320
wandering around, milling around
with them as well, showing them

1107
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,680
how relaxed you are about the
day.

1108
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,160
I'm so relaxed, I'm really
relaxed.

1109
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,320
Shaken by sausage, Saani, shaken
in your mouth.

1110
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
It's kind of important.
So it's no, it's fine kid.

1111
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,760
Just remember, just remember,
there are 1000 millimetres

1112
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,160
millimetres.
Yeah, so very important context.

1113
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,440
The whole point in the communal
breakfast is to get them in

1114
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,000
talking to each other so they're
not sat at home thinking about

1115
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,080
stuff, they're worrying about
it.

1116
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,400
They're you're modelling to them
being calm and how the day is

1117
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,760
just chill.
It's, you know, yeah, it's a

1118
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:40,960
test day, but we're just gonna
try.

1119
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,160
Our best And I suppose you don't
want to walk into school and

1120
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,520
then into the test seat.
Yeah, like the.

1121
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,200
Test environment set up and
they've got the pencils there.

1122
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,880
Oh, no, we're not sitting in
normal registration places today

1123
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,920
because this is all set up.
Yeah, just get them into the

1124
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,960
hall or whatever.
That would work.

1125
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Like, obviously you get the
hall, you get the sandwiches and

1126
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,000
stuff, and the kids would just
sit there and it would just be

1127
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Chai.
I've watched through the hall.

1128
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:56,880
It's always buzzing.
Yeah, exactly.

1129
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,560
But the kid is actually really
good for the kid.

1130
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,280
It's fantastic.
So then do they go to, like, do

1131
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,120
they go straight to the test?
No, we should go outside.

1132
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,480
For a bit.
So we get them in.

1133
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,360
So we get them in.
So we have like normal morning,

1134
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,480
you know, when kids drip in the
going anyway, we just come in,

1135
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,680
we offer it, open it a bit
earlier so they can come in as

1136
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,560
early as they want, basically up
to like another 20 minutes or

1137
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:11,840
so.
Yeah.

1138
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,200
And for us, to be fair, we did
it in like a year group shared

1139
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,920
area, but you can do it.
In a hall as well.

1140
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,560
We've done it.
Yeah.

1141
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,640
I've seen it in the hall.
Yeah.

1142
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,360
So, yeah, the kids just come in,
they have some breakfast.

1143
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,440
We, you know, give them some
cereal.

1144
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,680
Some fruit, yoghurt, all that
sort of stuff.

1145
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:22,960
Is it also to try and make
people?

1146
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Not late for the test.
Is that part of it?

1147
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,760
I think that probably is part of
it.

1148
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,680
I've never really thought that
myself.

1149
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,400
But it absolutely makes sense,
Yeah, Like, just do that because

1150
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,440
if they're going to be late, at
least they're late and then they

1151
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,320
do the test rather than they
come in. 20 minutes, so true,

1152
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,880
I've never even thought about
that, but that's definitely a

1153
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:34,960
passive benefit.
And then, yeah, generally we

1154
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,000
have to have a chat and go
outside and play for a bit and

1155
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000
then we come in and, you know,
and then we start the day.

1156
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,720
But it just gives them that.
I don't know.

1157
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,480
I just, I found with a lot of
George, when they come and they

1158
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600
look worried and by the end of
the breakfast they're chilled

1159
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,120
out.
I'm glad we had that period of

1160
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,200
time and then not coming in and
looking that worried and then 3

1161
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,160
minutes late they're doing a
test.

1162
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,080
Yeah, that's good.
That's bad.

1163
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:56,120
That's one thing I think
reminding, reminding the kids of

1164
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,200
the things that you might not
think of, right?

1165
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,800
They're not highest priority to
you, but they're the things that

1166
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,040
really the kids actually care
about #1 is how, how long when

1167
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,000
they can use a toilet.
I know it sounds so silly, but

1168
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,560
like you can forget how much
like how much of them will just

1169
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,960
be worrying like God, there's a
40 minute timer on the board.

1170
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,200
I need to wait.
What if I need to wait 20

1171
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,920
minutes in?
Just tell them all, just tell

1172
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,640
them all.
This is the toilet procedure.

1173
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,720
Whatever is in your school, you
know, this is how you use the

1174
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,120
toilet and goes the toilet and
say what?

1175
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,880
Just so they know and they come
for when break time is they want

1176
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,640
to know how long the test is it
is it break after?

1177
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,400
Do we do another lesson?
Are we doing math lesson after

1178
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,200
this?
Just tell them the schedule for

1179
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,320
the day.
That was pretty straightforward,

1180
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,600
but, you know, you've got to say
it sometimes.

1181
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Yeah.
How many exams there are on that

1182
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,560
day?
How many are left for the end of

1183
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,640
the week?
A lot of kids don't know the

1184
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,520
SAT's timetable like you do.
They don't know.

1185
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,320
Well, it's completely new to
them.

1186
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,160
It makes sense.
Like to be really, really clear.

1187
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,560
Like that's just good practise
in general.

1188
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Like even when you get
repetitive timetables, it's good

1189
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,400
practise to have a visual
timetable exactly because one

1190
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,040
thing might change, but this is
huge.

1191
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,360
A lot of SAT teachers might
think SAT teachers, a lot of the

1192
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,040
SAT teachers might think, well,
we've done a couple of mock Sats

1193
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,040
across the yes, they should
know.

1194
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,040
They don't know.
It isn't like it's not as

1195
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,680
important to them.
They might not remember.

1196
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Oh yeah, the last time we did
SAT if we did this test on this

1197
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,560
day, like just tell them.
They're coming to school every

1198
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,160
day for 120 days.
They should know.

1199
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,840
You still do a visual timetable
on the board, don't you?

1200
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,160
Exactly.
Exactly right.

1201
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,560
So that's that's another thing
you can do.

1202
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,960
Longer break times I think is
always a nice level, like just a

1203
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,200
nod to them, you know they're
doing something that's quite

1204
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,760
stressful.
Can I add one thing into this,

1205
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,120
which is it's not in here, but
I've seen a lot of people talk

1206
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,200
about it is splitting the cohort
up into when they do the tests.

1207
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,200
So a lot of a lot of people sort
of had two different start

1208
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,480
times, right.
The kids can't mingle at all.

1209
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,400
So they split year 6IN half.
Yeah.

1210
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,720
The first lot set off of the
test at a certain point.

1211
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Yeah.
And the second lot set off

1212
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,040
later.
It helps with adults.

1213
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,320
You get more adults per kid.
Oh.

1214
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:31,680
OK.
Because you just basically

1215
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,800
stagger it a bit.
Yeah, rather than all doing it

1216
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,040
at once.
Let's say you've got, let's say

1217
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,480
you've just got 20 adults with
everyone.

1218
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,040
You can have 20 adults with half
the cohort and then it staggers

1219
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,400
the next half start their test
straight away and you get more,

1220
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,040
more adults with the kids.
OK, so it's a logistical thing

1221
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,320
to give kids not even
necessarily just not even just

1222
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,600
logistical, but like if there's
six adults in a room compared to

1223
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,400
three, you can read questions
more to them if you need to.

1224
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,480
That's.
What I mean by the just like you

1225
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,360
can just get more.
Adults and it's just like fewer

1226
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,160
children in the room.
It's it's, it's just, it seems

1227
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,240
to be better for the kids
because they get more support.

1228
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,480
That's interesting, my my gut
reaction to that was what if

1229
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,400
their what if their mates in the
other one and they don't get to

1230
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,760
mingle with them all day?
Yeah, yeah.

1231
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,880
But I mean, before maybe as
teachers, obviously you choose

1232
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,600
wisely.
Yeah, of.

1233
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,800
Course, yeah, that doesn't make
sense a lot of people.

1234
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,400
Speak really highly of that as a
good way of, you know, giving

1235
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,800
kids more support within the
rules.

1236
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It makes sense because I know

1237
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,720
one struggle we've always had
always is getting literally

1238
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,360
getting enough adults to give
the children what they.

1239
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,800
Literally are entitled to I've
I've taught year 4 during SAT's

1240
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,920
week with a skeleton crew where
we barely even have teachers.

1241
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,520
Yeah, Oh yeah, sorry.
Actually nothing on this list of

1242
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,560
how would how to help the kids
relax in SAT's week is take

1243
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,280
every single TA from every other
year group and just let them

1244
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,560
around.
So now the other groups have

1245
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,200
them Yeah, but then last couple
from me really normal routines

1246
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,800
outside of the test.
You've already said that just

1247
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,920
keep it light, don't do a bunch
of cramming.

1248
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,320
Just try to keep the rest of the
day fairly normal so they can

1249
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,600
relax a bit, Get back into
normal routine till the next day

1250
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,720
and then just.
Oh, last one, but two?

1251
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,600
Last one, praising everything
you can other than knowledge I

1252
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,560
Sometimes we just want we just,
we're so intense.

1253
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,400
Mr Stevens, I've got this really
hard question mark.

1254
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,120
Don't care.
Don't care obviously you can

1255
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,120
still praise knowledge but try
and do other things like really

1256
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,960
try and praise the kids on
things like resilience in this

1257
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,720
week because it will mean a lot
more character yeah character,

1258
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,960
yeah exactly that that that
summarises the issue all of it

1259
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,200
determination or all of it you
know just like go out of your

1260
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,880
way to do that because it can be
easy to forget that because

1261
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,800
you're as a teacher are so
obsessed in that moment of the

1262
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,880
only thing that matters to me
right now is is the sats like

1263
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,800
it's so easy to fall into that
so I'm.

1264
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,240
Be a nice person, just be
supportive of being.

1265
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,800
Your normal nice person.
Got a few weeks until the Sats

1266
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:27,760
anyway.
Yeah, exactly.

1267
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,400
So, you know, there's a lot of
people going to be thinking

1268
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,440
about that SATS prep now in this
in these last few weeks.

1269
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,880
And I hope this episode has been
somewhat helpful at least.

1270
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,760
Just insight into Dylan's ranty
brain about what you shouldn't

1271
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,960
do and how you're a terrible
person if you do any of the

1272
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,120
things he said.
I might.

1273
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,280
I'm worried I said that now I,
you know, Yeah, hopefully it's

1274
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,480
clear to you what I really
think.

1275
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,120
I just think we should be
helping the kids.

1276
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,840
If we're adults in a school and
we see kids getting upset about

1277
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,120
stuff we think is wrong as well,
I don't think we can just wash

1278
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,480
our hands of it and just say
that's what it is.

1279
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,120
I agree, I think it's a very
good point to make.

1280
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,720
I think people will struggle
with that more than you do, but

1281
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,520
I don't think it's a bad thing
to hear genuinely.

1282
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,400
I don't think it's a good
reality check sometimes to be

1283
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,280
actually, hey, what am I doing?
Why am I just rolling over to

1284
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,720
this system that I literally
hate Got so bad that I didn't

1285
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,880
want to do the job anymore.
Get some, get some morals and

1286
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,240
stop being a shell, no?
No, just quit.

1287
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,240
You don't have to deal with it.
You have to think about it like

1288
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,800
us.
Cool, see you next time.