Ep 17: Sophie Bartlett: Staying Positive, Making Mistakes & Shared Parental Leave

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of teach seat.
Repeat.

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This is episode 17 and we are
so, so so excited to be able to

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introduce our first ever guest.
So my name is Hayden.

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Oh pretty sick about me.
Mate.

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Listen, I had some feedback
recently from my own family by

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the way.
Who said I wasn't Hayden funny.

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I do interesting a lot though,
don't you?

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You do interrupt him a lot.
So I was like, oh okay, thank

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you family, that I'm kidding.
Hayden should, thank you, I'm

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talking but never in turn me but
But we do have our first ever

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guest.
We're so excited you've seen in

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the title.
But firstly Hayden.

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As always, how's your week been
Jenna?

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What my it doesn't matter
doesn't matter, I'm too excited.

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So talking will talking excuse
my truck to, that's great.

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Let's crack on.
You know, let's crack on.

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Okay, I agree.
Actually but my week was

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actually really but I did it.
You're not you're not you're not

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getting it.
Let's not talk about a week.

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So let's crack on mate.
Let's get it against.

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It was good.
It was a good week but I've

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decided that we're going to not
do anything to do with the week.

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That was my decision.
Lead anchor, so we're going to

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go straight into that so I
Hayden.

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Don't know.
Yes, she's don't hear you.

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Let's hear from our guests.
Okay, so we are super excited to

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be introducing our first ever
guest on the teach secret

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podcast.
This person here has a huge

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social media presence.
She helps out so many teachers

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by making amazing resources,
blog posts, such a positive

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influence on the community.
And we feel so lucky to have her

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as our first guest.
Hey, don't give us a drumroll

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please.
It is the one the only Sophie

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Bartlett.
Thank you very much.

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Both of you is very kind, so
thank you.

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So Much for coming on.
So we'll start off just by

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letting the listeners, know who
you are, what you do.

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And I'm just glad that.
I'll have people, stop messaging

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me saying when you get this on
the podcast, you said, you do

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it.
So it's going to happen now,

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okay?
So first things first, what got

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you into teach and how long have
you been doing it?

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So this is well, I'm actually on
maternity leave this year as

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long as you probably know, but
I'm slowly going back into

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school.
So this is technically my ninth

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year.
So when I officially go back in

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September at be my 10th year,
which sounds crazy.

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I can't because decade now And
what probably into it.

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Oh, it's time goes so fast.
Isn't it?

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My mom was a teacher.
She retired a couple of years

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ago but actually she never sold
teaching to me.

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She was purposely not positive
or not - about it cause she

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wanted me to make my own choice,
but I just always loved.

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Loved kids, read him.
And just spending time with them

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and I was actually a gymnastics
coach for about eight years

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crossed over little bit with my
teaching career.

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So obviously, you know, that's
teaching kids gymnastics,

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instead of school, and I just
love doing that.

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And so, I never thought I was
going to be a teacher, right?

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Right up until I had to decide
what I needed to do.

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And it was it was just the
obvious choice then.

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So yeah that's what got me into
it.

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It's quite a very, very, very
often.

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You ask your teacher how they
got into teaching and they say,

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my parents were teaching, it is
if it's in a family's Nellis

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interest.
Yeah.

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Your mum never kind of pushed on
you because I've got I know a

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colleague.
I used to work with whose mom

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was a teacher who taught me at
school, right?

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And when he was training to be a
teacher, he also taught me in

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the same school so he and his
mum spent the whole time trying

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to convince him, not to do it
and he Regrets it now.

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Yeah, yeah but I just it's very
often.

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Did your mom ever comment on how
teaching has changed over the

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time that you've been in the
career?

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Or since like she started to
Ashley's, just retired.

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Yeah, quite a lot actually
particularly now that obviously,

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I'm think I'm going back to work
with a child because I'm really

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worried about how I'm going to
balance, you know, working life

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and she went back straight into
full-time because they had to.

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So we often talk about how she
balance that but also just

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things like I mean she was, she
retired only couple years ago so

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she's kind of used to how it is.
Is now, but she said at the

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beginning of her career would
be, you know, they'd be in the

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staff room at lunchtime.
Go to the pub, a lot of time

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into the Friday and then just
say, oh, what we do this

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afternoon, less teaching art
lesson on.

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Yes, to some paint, some
sunflowers because it was just a

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lot more laid back and chilled,
right?

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The beginning of her career, I
think.

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So, she's been through it when
it's starting to get kind of

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more stressful and more
workload, intense, and lot more

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demands from the powers that be.
So, yeah, I don't she definitely

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doesn't miss doesn't miss it
now.

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I think.
Yeah, now that's it.

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We've had stories from our staff
who said Friday was the day

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where they did that.
Yeah.

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And I do I do think though my
gut instinct there is although

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it's funny and you laugh and you
say ha ha.

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I think it's much better that we
have more accountability now

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though.
Like oh yeah but you're right.

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It feels like it's almost gone
too far.

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Hasn't it?
And the pressures now, it's like

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two ends of the spectrum there.
I want to know the date where it

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was right in the middle, maybe
it was just one day.

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One day, one special day when it
was just about that point and

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just lit relive.
It, we started on the career

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regular bar, So obviously you
said, you've been teaching now

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for like nine come up to 10
years across that time.

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What, what roles have you been
involved in within the primary

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school?
If you always just been a

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teacher, have you ever embarked
on kind of different roles that

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time.
So I've actually always and only

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taught upper Key Stage 2, I have
tried to venture the other way,

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but especially anyone that's
been in here, six knows, it's

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quite hard to go out because not
many people want to go in.

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So I've taught year 5 and 6
together, and then the year

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group separately, And I've been
a student Mentor, a few times as

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well.
And I've LED reading separately,

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grammar, separately writing
separately, and then all of them

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together.
And So currently at the moment,

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I'm English lead and curriculum.
So bit of history, geography,

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science with my colleague.
We sort of do it all together.

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So yeah, I've never touched on
some maths.

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I love math myself, but I feel
that my strengths and More in

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English in terms of leading a
subject.

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So yeah, that's why I've done.
So in terms of like a passion

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because I do find that most
teachers have a passion, anyone

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listening will know that ermine
and Dylan's is maths.

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We even if we try to hide it is
still always comes across.

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Would you say English is your
subject?

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Is that the one?
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Reading Writing and grammar.
I do love my grammar.

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So yeah.
That would be my did you see em?

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Did you see Michael rosen's post
about the grammar test?

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I did because I quote tweeted it
as a little opportunity to

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promote my own blog as well.
Yeah I thought his blog was

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really good at picks up on some
really good points actually.

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Yeah for me as an on-year six
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So every year like all teachers
do we looking for A right and

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I'm not really massively clued
into like the niche of the

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grammar test.
Like I know all the grammar

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terms, the teacher, but the
things that really popped out

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for me.
Were the questions on formality?

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Yeah and I kind of thought it
felt like in the there was two

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questions on formality.
It felt like in the first one

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you could get rid of some
options because they were

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contractions.
That's quite an obvious way to

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kind of find out if it's let
more or less formal.

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But I really kind of struggled
to understand how I would teach

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formality in the Second
question, where there were there

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were no contractions but it was
simply just word choice and it

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felt right?
It felt a bit flaky to me, I

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don't know what.
Yeah, well it's also I suppose

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like Michael Reagan, Rosen
argued, some of it's quite

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subjective but feels like it
could be quite subjective as

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well.
And whenever I've taught it

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before and I said about you
Hayden, I basically go through a

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checklist of like formal writing
can't have contractions.

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The kind of question tags,
probably wouldn't use a dash

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like literally like a tick box
thing because some children

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really struggle to see the
Nuance in standard English.

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Actual formal formal English and
informal English.

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So the questions like that, do
just feel unfair, I mean,

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obviously I love the fact that
is, I think probably the one

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you're referring to because most
of them are tick-box questions,

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so the chances are, hopefully,
they can eliminate a couple of

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obvious ones that are wrong, and
then hopefully get the right

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one.
But it does feel like a bit of

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an of an unfair question.
I think I found as a year six

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teacher and I'm sure you have as
well.

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I'm sure a lot of our listeners
have that it you do just kind of

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fall down into this.
This whole over the years, I

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find any way of of they'd like,
what microbes are saying with

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the GPS of just like you, did
you start teaching these things

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and you go?
Well, that's a really good way

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of teaching that and then you
kind of like self-affirming all

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that.
Yeah, that's clearly important.

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I've taught that really well and
then when I, when I read his

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blog, it kind of burst my bubble
a little bit.

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I was like, yeah, God, you know
what?

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So much this stuff I want my
doing so much of this stuff

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really isn't that?
It's just not that important.

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Okay, the terminology has
changed, which I always find.

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Yeah.
Over the years and Michael

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Rosen, saying what I'd fail now
because when I was These they

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will have different names.
So what are we doing?

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Like, yeah, point I know I
remember I had like some

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resources from when I started
teaching that had connectives

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written on them and I'd gone
through and scribbled them all

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out and put conjunctions as not
elected as a conjunction.

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And then you're right when you
step back and think about, you

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think, who cares like what is
this?

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But you just have to be so add
like you're so adamant that

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you're doing the right thing for
the kids and they're going to do

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well in this grammar test.
And then they go to secondary

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school and you know, grammar
well grammar is obviously

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important but some of the level
of the grammar that we're

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teaching is just ridiculous.
I think you can almost divide

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Hide it.
I genuinely reckon we could sit

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there together and go for a
paper and basically put a line

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between types of questions of
like.

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Yeah, this is actually useful
when I refer to this in her

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writing all the time, like this,
good fun tonight.

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And this is what you did.
They really need to know the

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different types of verb forms
and verb tenses.

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Like yeah, do they really need
to know the names of that as

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long as they can kind of use
them correctly in their writing?

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But that's the, you know, I know
someone usually a post we get on

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the Facebook group is how on
Earth have you taught the

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subjunctive?
And I have to admit the last few

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years I've just said, I don't
teach it.

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Because its maximum one mark on
the grammar test, which doesn't

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really matter anyway.
Or if I do, I'll just stick on

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YouTube video of Beyonce.
Singing, you know, if I were a

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boy, I just be like, look, if it
says, if I were, that's a

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subjunctive.
If you remember that great, and

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if you don't, you know, it
doesn't matter.

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I was about to say that exact
song is the one isn't it?

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Everyone uses.
Yeah.

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My father yelling make this year
because I couldn't remember who

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sung that song and they were so
offended when you're like it's

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Beyonce we've got Lich and so
we've got Miss be here.

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How come you know?
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way it's altered if educational
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your first word, one word
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Hayden, if I said Hayden Cream,
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would be passionate for his eye.
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That's my reaction to that word.
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Just first thought.
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Marking Awful good.
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I love that strong start.
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now, right?
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Staff room treats love parents
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Reports.
No SATs Change.

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Teacher well-being.
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Struggle teaching PU.
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the big one will be careful
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Ofsted controversial, good
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that is hot.
I'm sweating as the first ever

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guest to this podcast.
That is the first time we've

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done that.
And actually, I felt bad at some

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points, making you think
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Whichever one I answered are to.
I'm really sorry because that's

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not a word but that was
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I was trying to keep it I was
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something?
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sure how that was parents
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perfectly summed up because it's
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I really enjoy talking to
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gosh, it's long, isn't it?
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it differently but I do.
I do love the conversations.

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What a time.
It's just a lot at once, isn't

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it?
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Okay call.
That was fun.

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So we're going to dive straight
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Okay, so it's a bit more of a
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His I think the big reason why I
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When I want to have a chat with
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strike this really cool balance
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Because and we struggle with
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profession I feel like it's very
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almost like resentment about the
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We're at a point now where you
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are balloting again to carry on
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Nothing seems to be getting
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underfunded, you know, are real
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and for Hayden and I Why we
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that real positivity and and
love for learning because we

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still got that.
We still love teaching the

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children but it's kind of being
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it's just becoming less and less
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seriously as we'd like but the
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we get from you especially
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good balance of speaking out for
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protecting our schools but also
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producing these At this, these
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really help other teachers and
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passion of going above and
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a road of the way eventually,
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the point and I just wondering,
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that?
The kind of the the comparison

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there of wanting to go above and
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thinking.
Well, what's the point?

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Because we're not getting
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maternity leave.
I at the beginning, really?

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step take a step away from the
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don't see all the joy because
I'm sure you can agree that the

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joy for me was between 8:45 and
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Just shutting the classroom door
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that you get from that is
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That's when you don't have that
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it from the outside, it's like,
oh do I really want to go back

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to that?
Because but you say just what

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people are set sharing on social
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minute and Understandable,
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people having to put up with.
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back for Kit days and I'm
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The first time I went back in

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after that, nine months, my
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class for something, and I just
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I had a child for one, but just
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I love this.
It's like, I stood up.

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I just felt completely myself in
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I think that's why most teachers
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know, the relationship you get
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of fun that you can get from
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It and that sort of reignited.
My passion, really.

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Also just I'm genuinely
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politics behind it and just pout
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things.
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changed over the years because I
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was all about never, tell the
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Anything you have to ask
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from the children and all, you
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is and now it's well.
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other way and it's a lot of just
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them and then they've got it a
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pick at them.
Like get them to say by asking,

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questions sort of a sage on the
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that kind of that kind of
theory, but it's just

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interesting to see how that's
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You know, ten years of teaching
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of time compared to a lot of the
really experienced teachers that

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are out there in that short
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Well, from that, some people
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keeping up with different

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educational trends.
And it's just interesting.

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But I don't, I feel like I've
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The question you asked me now
just because I don't know.

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It's nice, that's me.
No, this is this is why we ask

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you though, because you're right
and that is you are answering

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the question though.
That's the reason.

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How you managed to stay
positive, keep posting things

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because we're Hayden Hayden.
I sometimes feel like when a

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downward spiral of getting
annoyed about something there

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for thinking, well I won't
bother doing that then and then

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let's do this and I'll do that
and it kind of just and then you

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won't get as much out of
Education as you would have

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before.
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If you find, you have one.
I've got I've got to do this

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whole week of planning.
All of a sudden because maybe a

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timetable changes you know five
six seven years ago that would

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excite that would excite me.
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My teeth into this so much of
this job which we've discussed

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before.
Does rely on teachers.

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Just good will doing things in
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podcast about director time and
we've kind of, we joked about

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it.
We're taking the mick out of

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how, you know, there's this
system of directed time which is

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technically kind of like you
know, I'll pay structure as well

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but then Then there's this
enormous like list of jobs that

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we actually have to do is
teachers are expected to do that

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aren't remotely factored into
this director Tom yam which is a

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full-time job.
Yeah of hours.

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And and it does if the job
relies on you being okay with

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that and doing them anyway and
yeah, definitely feeling that

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pressure of hang on a minute.
I'm seeing I'm 78 years in.

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Why am I doing this again?
Because this is, you know, this

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is impacting my life.
But then yeah, he said because

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we're exactly the same.
I'll stand in front of that

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classroom in the morning and
then the day just goes by like

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this.
I think, my God, yeah, I was in

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a different job.
I would have hated every minute

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of that.
But eight hours is whizzed past

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because I thoroughly thoroughly
enjoyed, teaching our children.

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They do give you that.
Joy of I personally really don't

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like marking or planning
depending on what it is.

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But, you know, that if you put
together a good lesson, then

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when you stand that side up and
deliver it to the kids or Joe,

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or even if you put together a
rubbish lesson and it goes

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really badly and sometimes I
don't just happen to you before.

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I've just said, you know what
that was really bad.

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Wasn't it should we do it again
tomorrow?

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And then they just laugh and you
know, it It's not going to

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impact them if they have one bad
lesson and if anything, I feel

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like, it makes them trust you a
bit more because they know that

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you're getting it wrong as well.
And it's just having such a

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special bond with the class is
something that can't be

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replicated at anything.
So, do you think as a teacher?

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So, I hated you think that that
is the number one.

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Most important thing that is, is
to build that bond with your

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children because I can't think
of, I know that, you know,

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subject knowledge, having a
pedagogy that you spoken about

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but that's very sick thicker.
That's the color that comes

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around that Surround that will
change year-on-year as long as

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we're keeping up with it and,
you know, almost like an

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arbitrary judgment because like
you said something that 10 years

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ago would have been really
frowned.

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Upon is, now is now looked as is
really good practice in the

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classroom, I see only one
constant in teaching and that's

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building strong relationships
with the children to, you know,

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bring them on the way with you.
Make sure they enjoy being in

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the classroom and then almost
from there, there's about eight

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different ways you can teach
stuff in my opinion, that was

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still going to get across to
them.

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Yeah, no completely.
I think a lot of people say

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you're not there to be their
friend.

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Which is true but also it
doesn't matter how good you are

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a subject.
If that if those children know

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that you don't like them or they
don't respect you, they're not

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gonna listen to a word, you say,
or take anything in and from

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speaking to parents and now it's
funny how much your perspective

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changes when you have a child.
I mean, I know my son's only 8

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months, but already obviously
you've got a picture of what

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they're going to be that when
they're older parents, just one

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your you to like their child
because, you know, that's their

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whole world.
So if you can and there's

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something to like, in every
single child, you know, no

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matter how difficult.
Some children can be if you can

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find something to like and find
that special bond with each

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person, their class that child
is going to listen to you.

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At least that's number one.
So I yeah, completely agree

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with.
You are saying that that bond is

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definitely most important thing.
I've also found that with just

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expanding on that point of their
something to like and every

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child in this and there's a
bond, you can make that I found

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in my career.
That's where you can make the

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absolute biggest difference to a
child's life and it's the social

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site.
For me, I there are children who

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I've seen Their behavior across
a year change enormously which

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is then impacted everything else
that they're learning behaviors

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then get better, they can make
better progress.

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Yes.
You think God?

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Yeah, it's so much that is
dependent on their relationships

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with the adults around them and
met you because you are the

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classroom teacher supermajors,
very tricky on that.

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You might come on to it, that
might cross over but we measured

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by SATs which is their academic
progress.

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And there's so many things that
to me are way more beneficial

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that you can't measure, like a
child.

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Who at the beginning of the
year, might not even sit still

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in their chair and be wandering
around or throwing things.

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Or shouting who at the end of
the year, is sitting down and

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listening and is happy and
learning.

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That is such a huge impact, but
it's not measured by anyone.

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So, it's just so frustrating.
I think the really wide

452
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,600
perspective now just think about
the UK and our culture of

453
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,300
teaching and education.
Do you think we've gone too far

454
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,800
down?
The SATs root of like data is

455
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,300
the most important thing,
academic progress is the is the

456
00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:24,700
most important thing.
Do you feel like we've got the

457
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:27,600
balance there, or do you really
just feel like we absolutely

458
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,000
don't do any of the other stuff
at all.

459
00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:33,700
No I think I mean I think some
it's obviously very school by

460
00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:37,200
school but from a bigger picture
I do think data has become far

461
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,300
too like it's too much waiting
as put on data.

462
00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:44,000
Obviously yes, we need to hold
schools accountable for things

463
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,900
and we need to measure School
somehow and judge them, but you

464
00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:50,100
can't just do that by numbers.
And I've seen, you know,

465
00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:54,000
teachers or leaders then just
they see children as a number or

466
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,700
a piece of data because that is
what they're being measured on.

467
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:59,200
You can't blame them for doing
that because they're held to

468
00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,000
account by that.
But it just I feel like it just

469
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,700
changes the whole vibe because
they're not there.

470
00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:07,400
Now, 2% of your data, they're
not this child that has

471
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,700
difficulties here and strength
here and that going on in this

472
00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:12,200
going on.
So, yeah, definitely changes

473
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,600
some people's perspectives.
I think, of teaching, it's so

474
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,700
true.
Don't I get the X sometimes and

475
00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:18,000
I like you said, I completely
get it.

476
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,900
But when we start referring to
children as lower cheevers or

477
00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:23,400
yeah, or, you know, higher
better T, you know, that word of

478
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,800
ability, it's like cool.
That's that's high ability in

479
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,800
something really specific that
the school has been pressured to

480
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,900
have Pedestal, and it's like,
okay, what's their ability to

481
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,600
make a friend, what's their
ability to?

482
00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:37,500
Yeah, you know, comfort someone
and, and yeah, I think like we

483
00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:41,300
can become obsessed with the
small margins on an Academia.

484
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:44,100
And that's our main job, isn't
it really is, you know, we are

485
00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:46,900
there to be teachers and
academics eyes but I value all

486
00:21:46,908 --> 00:21:50,000
the other stuff just as equally
and you know, how do we need to

487
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,800
sit there and measure that?
I don't think we do but I think

488
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,000
we just need to put the respect
on it.

489
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,700
Like you've been saying, yeah,
you know that is progress, isn't

490
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:56,700
it?
It's different progress.

491
00:21:56,700 --> 00:21:59,400
But yeah, progress and I think a
lot of parents would Would

492
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,800
probably put maybe maybe equal
or maybe more emphasis on that.

493
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,400
I mean I know academics is
obviously important but I think

494
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,800
a lot of parents would prefer
that their children be happy and

495
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,600
know how to make friends and be
resilient rather than be able to

496
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,100
pass a test at the end of the
year.

497
00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,300
So and we're catering for
parents, you know, our services

498
00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:18,400
for parents.
So you think we would want to

499
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,700
know what they want us to do
with their children but it's so

500
00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:24,700
true that kind of for me at the
start of my career when I did

501
00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,600
parents evenings and stuff, I
wrote reports I would kind of

502
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,200
think it was really important to
like put into If objectives and

503
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,100
stuff.
And I would say like oh no

504
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:33,700
they're doing really well with
place value actually.

505
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:35,600
And and actually all they need
to work a little bit on dab.

506
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,700
It, it's like, well, that's my
job.

507
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,400
My job is to that's why I'm
going to react to that and I'm

508
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,700
going to do that in my lessons
actually, from a parent's point

509
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:43,400
of view.
And this is what we need every

510
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,800
parents evening with now.
And what I focus more on because

511
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,800
it's report writing season.
I'm doing now is a lot more on

512
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,000
the whole picture of actually
you know, what's your child done

513
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,300
as a human being?
You know, one part of it is

514
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,200
Academia but the other part is
I'm going to talk about their

515
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,000
friendships.
I'm going to talk about how

516
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,100
they've got on on the play.
A ground they're going to talk

517
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:04,300
about their work because yeah
and in real life a lot of stuff

518
00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,200
you know the academic stuff you
can pick that up later, children

519
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,800
aren't as good at it and in that
at that point in their in their

520
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,100
time in school.
I just think that whole picture,

521
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,800
you're right.
It's much more powerful.

522
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600
And then I think that must that
does lead back into it about

523
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,900
being passionate and positive,
still is no matter what happens

524
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,600
with the government or the
politics, or the newspapers,

525
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,200
we're on Ground Zero.
We're studying front of the kids

526
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,100
that makes us happy, right?
Yeah.

527
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Yeah, absolutely.
I've got a good You had

528
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,600
obviously, you've got quite a
big following on Twitter and

529
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,500
just social media in general and
I'm sure a lot of those people

530
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:38,600
are teachers maybe in their
first couple years of teaching

531
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,700
and they might be looking up to
you for advice as we do as well.

532
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:43,600
You know, that's what we've got
you on the show because we think

533
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,800
you give really good advice, but
if you are able to go back in

534
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,100
time and speak to, your ECT self
would have been an amputee, then

535
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,500
your first year of teaching, and
you could pick a piece of

536
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,500
advice, to kind of give
yourself, or even it's your big

537
00:23:58,500 --> 00:24:00,600
or small.
So, what do you think?

538
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,200
That would be given your
experience?

539
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,900
Now, that's a good question, a
question.

540
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:08,700
And what would it be?
I think it would be to not

541
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,700
stress so much about every
single lesson and what goes

542
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:14,700
wrong in every single lesson.
Because sometimes I get to the

543
00:24:14,708 --> 00:24:17,500
end of the day, and rather than
going, rather than picking out

544
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,500
all the positives, that would be
well, five children didn't

545
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:23,500
understand that math at all.
This person left upset, because

546
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:25,700
of this friendship thing that I
go through.

547
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:29,100
All the things that went wrong
when actually, you know, that in

548
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,300
the On scheme of things.
Yes, that's pretty big deal for

549
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:34,300
that child on that day or they
need to learn that Matt at some

550
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,000
point.
But that's one day out of

551
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,200
however, many across the school
year, 130 196 or whatever it is

552
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,500
and you can just start afresh
the next day and really it's

553
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,000
about the the journey over the
entire year.

554
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,800
Not just that one day and don't
beat yourself up over a bad

555
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,100
lesson, a bad day or a bad week
because you've got time to fix

556
00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,600
it because you can put so much
especially at the beginning of

557
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,100
your career, put so much energy
into individual lessons and yeah

558
00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:00,400
that is really good but you you
need to save yourself a little

559
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,600
bit of you're going to burn out
really quickly on its listen,

560
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,200
guys.
You heard it here first.

561
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:09,800
I remember my very first day
that I did a full day in my pgce

562
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,400
and I went home and I genuinely
thought I got this.

563
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,100
Can't be a job.
This is not okay.

564
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:16,600
Did you just flop on the sofa
and lightly now?

565
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,300
Get up.
I couldn't believe it.

566
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,400
And like almost going to what
you're saying there of just

567
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,700
telling yourself.
It gets better.

568
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:24,100
Don't worry about it because you
put so much that you into every

569
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:27,400
man.
Yeah I know I mean I think now I

570
00:25:27,408 --> 00:25:28,800
mean you've probably done this
too.

571
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,600
I do put a lot of effort into
the mornings and it gets the

572
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,700
afternoon and sometimes it will
just like pick up the lesson

573
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:38,900
plan, five minutes before I
teach the lesson or sometimes

574
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,300
make up on the spot.
Not gonna lie.

575
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:43,500
I made up a lesson on the spot.
The 90s all over again.

576
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,500
We're going to do some flowers,
we've all done it.

577
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,600
I think that's the good thing
about being a bit more

578
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,600
experience but also having a
good relationship with your

579
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,000
class because if things go wrong
then they don't care because you

580
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,300
know that you can control the
behavior and you're still teach

581
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,000
them because as a teacher you've
got those instincts of teaching

582
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,900
something.
But sometimes you have to just

583
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:04,300
make things up as you go along,
even if you've got a lesson plan

584
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:06,300
and it goes wrong, you've got a
suddenly change the director of

585
00:26:06,308 --> 00:26:09,300
the lesson, haven't you?
So I can't plan everything.

586
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,000
I've spent a lot of time before
well, every week making my

587
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,300
slides.
And when we were younger newer,

588
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,200
we put so much effort into these
slides and over the years, you

589
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800
know, you realize actually the
best bit is coming from the

590
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,900
teacher and them, and a quiz.
And there's a lot more strict

591
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,700
back now on the slides, but even
to the point now where our

592
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,400
planning is our slides.
So, that's, that's what we But

593
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,900
even to the point where I'll
make some slides and I'll find

594
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,300
that 45 minutes into the lesson.
I've just been modeling things

595
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:37,000
on the board up, they've been
doing stuff in front of them

596
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,400
with their manipulatives, then
we just been doing mashed

597
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,500
together and I've kind of LED it
in a way that they're going to

598
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,300
learn what they're doing.
And then I realized, like I've

599
00:26:44,308 --> 00:26:47,000
got six, six slides here and I'm
not going for any of them, but

600
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000
that it was one of my best
lessons that I've taught.

601
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Yeah, I remember once because I
used to go and watch my mom,

602
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000
teach before I qualified and I
said, I'm all, can I see your

603
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,500
lesson plan for this?
And she literally just held a

604
00:26:56,508 --> 00:26:58,400
Post-It note and had like two
bullet points on it.

605
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,500
She's like, yeah, plan.
Yesterday, I was thinking, I

606
00:27:00,508 --> 00:27:03,000
can't wait to get to that point.
And now, I'm at that point and I

607
00:27:03,008 --> 00:27:05,900
think it's great to have that
experience behind in that bank

608
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:09,100
of knowledge of ways of teaching
that you can just go yet, my

609
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,600
lesson on triangles is this and
this and it's just in my head

610
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,400
obviously a different the
different story when a school

611
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:20,000
requests planning but also being
in like kind of like that that

612
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,100
training period of time.
And I know a lot of other people

613
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:26,300
were actually quite resentful of
the more experienced teachers

614
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:28,600
that were doing those sorts of
things but I felt like I

615
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,300
understood Early on and I think
you were this quite similar

616
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,900
Dylan that we will get there
eventually but it wouldn't be

617
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:37,500
good practice for us as brand
new teachers to do that yet.

618
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:40,000
And I understood that balance.
I was like the reason they can

619
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,700
write a post it notes because
they've taught this 17 games and

620
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,100
they absolutely know that the
subject in and out and they will

621
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,600
be able to adapt that lesson.
So amazingly well, you know, and

622
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,800
you might have spent three hours
on a slide show.

623
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:55,900
Yes.
But they're to slideshow, but

624
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:58,900
going off, you know, after that,
we'll probably best.

625
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,900
A off, it does pay off, I just
remember being so frustrated if

626
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,100
a lesson took me longer to plan
than it did to teach I thinking

627
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:07,400
like when is this going to end?
And sometimes that is still the

628
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200
case because you get into a bit
of a brain you know not

629
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,100
sometimes don't you but I'm not
very funny laughing you know

630
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,200
that's exactly.
Exactly.

631
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,100
Hey we can't we can't we can't
turn this into another director

632
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,300
time right?
Let's let's move on let's move

633
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,800
on to another discussion point.
So in general this this this is

634
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,500
something I've always been
always thought about and and

635
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,100
this is where maybe you can come
in as an English leader.

636
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,400
To meet because I've always
struggled with this sheer amount

637
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,100
of incredible children's
literature and there are some

638
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,700
unbelievable books.
And every time a books

639
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,500
recommended I used to read them
a lot more because I just wanted

640
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,000
to go and get into a bit more.
No.

641
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,200
And no, the subject but I'm
definitely not in that world as

642
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,100
much as I'd like to be and the
idea of picking suitable, you

643
00:28:53,108 --> 00:28:55,400
know, fiction or nonfiction text
for your class.

644
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,800
If you're doing whole class
reading, for example, it can be

645
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,400
really quite daunting.
And I've seen stories before,

646
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,600
especially of more, you know,
newer newer teachers who kind of

647
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,300
have been told, okay, well whole
class, you know, pick a book and

648
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:08,600
then we'll do some work from
that.

649
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,100
And that, that is, you know, a
faster amount to pick from and

650
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
this idea of, okay.
So you know, where do you start

651
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,700
with that?
You know, how do you pick a good

652
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,600
book?
That's a appropriate and B can

653
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,900
be turned into something that's,
you know, suitable for UFO class

654
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,700
or es6 class and it's quite
quite tricky balance.

655
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:27,900
So, as a curriculum leader in
English State, how would you

656
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:28,800
maybe?
Go about that.

657
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Well, I'll be the first to
admit.

658
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,100
I am not great at reading
children's books.

659
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:34,600
I'm fret, you know, a couple of
my friends.

660
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,700
You might know on Twitter to
Emily, primary, teach and Cass

661
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:40,800
and Ashley.
They read children's books at

662
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800
like loads of them and I am in
all of them.

663
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,300
It's not just that.
I feel like I don't have the

664
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,100
time because no one has time but
I just want to read, I'm just

665
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,000
selfish and want to read my
books.

666
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,000
But so I rely on them and social
media in general for advice and

667
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,400
opinions or what books to use.
Because there's a wealth of

668
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,800
experience in a Vice out there
to choose from but also just

669
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,300
experience of using books.
I have repeated loads of books

670
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,900
really, you know, holes
obviously is it is a gem

671
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,900
classic.
Yeah, things like Skellig, we're

672
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:13,300
doing.
I know when I go back to school

673
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:16,400
in September, so there are just
your Classics which, you know

674
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,600
would be worth doing year upon
year, but we are also putting

675
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,900
new books in the curriculum as
well.

676
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,300
And for that, I think as much as
I said, I don't have time to

677
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,100
read a book.
I would, if I'm planning it to

678
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:31,200
teach I would always Read it
first and then go on social

679
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,900
media and find out other
people's opinions of it

680
00:30:32,908 --> 00:30:37,100
especially people who have used
it to teach before things.

681
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:41,000
Like I know some schools use
Lexile, I personally don't like

682
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,900
using neck cells but I know some
schools use them to see if

683
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,300
they're high enough quality for
like what?

684
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:47,000
Vocabulary wise for the
children.

685
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,200
But yeah, I mean it can be, you
know, it's a bit of a some

686
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,600
people can be a bit of a loose
cannon was just picking a random

687
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,500
book especially we see it quite
on the Facebook group.

688
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,400
I'm just going to teach from
this and then you see people go,

689
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,000
oh please don't, please don't
use this instead.

690
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:01,900
Use instead.
So I would always advise asking

691
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:03,500
other people.
What has worked before?

692
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,200
Have you read this and is it
appropriate?

693
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,700
And if not, why not?
So yeah, use the advice that's

694
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:10,200
out there.
That's what I always do because

695
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,000
I'm not so good at it, myself.
I'll be honest.

696
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,600
I think it's so important that
people hear that message, you

697
00:31:14,608 --> 00:31:17,500
know, even even made me feel
better, just hearing you say

698
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,700
that because, you know, I look
at you as quite an influential

699
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:24,800
person in the kind of teaching
world and I do sometimes see

700
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400
people like Ashley booth and Rob
Smith from literacy shed and

701
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,200
that, you know, people that are
like Nibble at that.

702
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400
It's so good as reading
childhood children's literature

703
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,300
and posting about it and being a
font of knowledge.

704
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:38,200
And sometimes I'm like, oh God,
I feel terrible, I know, I

705
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,700
haven't done that.
Like I didn't mean I haven't

706
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,400
read any of these books or post
a list of 60 bucks and I think.

707
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,700
Yeah, but any of these and this
is the fourth list almost.

708
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,300
So it's really nice to hear from
someone like yourself who's also

709
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,900
really passionate about English
that it's just okay, is it is

710
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,400
okay to rely on each other?
Sometimes we act do absolutely

711
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,100
everything and yeah that's made
me feel this much better.

712
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,000
Oh no, I I just think it's a lot
to expect with, so busy as it is

713
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,000
it's a lot to expect teachers to
read children's book and books

714
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,100
in their own time.
Someone else is doing it for

715
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:09,800
you, like go to that, I trust
them, implicitly at like, use

716
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,700
their advice, and I would always
go to them first, but I think I

717
00:32:13,708 --> 00:32:14,900
actually put up a tweet a while
ago.

718
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:19,500
Someone said never, never read a
book without never teach a book

719
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,100
without reading it first.
And while I do agree with that,

720
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,100
usually sometimes I have picked
up a book and read it because I

721
00:32:25,108 --> 00:32:27,100
know that I've asked about 10
people first.

722
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:30,000
If they think it's a good book
and that That particular week or

723
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
so many likes people go.
Oh thank goodness because I've

724
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,100
done this to I've done this.
Doing it felt really taboo to

725
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,900
admit that you have read a book
to a class that you personally

726
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:38,700
haven't read.
And I just think it's great.

727
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,500
I get to find out all the things
at the same time.

728
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,400
As the children do, this is a
book reading for pleasure by the

729
00:32:43,408 --> 00:32:45,300
way, rather than actually
studying it because I would have

730
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,200
read that first.
But sometimes it's nice to

731
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,600
sharing a book with the children
and going on the journey with

732
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,200
them.
As long as you know, like I said

733
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,000
before, you've asked people, and
it's appropriate and it's got

734
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000
good content.
So I think it will be in there.

735
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,500
I've been there myself as well,
having gone to a new school and

736
00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:00,500
they've got a rigid System in
place already that I know has

737
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,600
been used in previous years.
I very much trust the school and

738
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,800
the system.
Oh, yeah.

739
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,000
Give me a book that I will be
able to enjoy and read with the

740
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,700
children the first time.
So I know what you mean.

741
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,600
That's what you do.
You feel a little bit like, or

742
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,900
be naughty.
Is this the right?

743
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:13,900
Yeah, I know.
I felt like that too.

744
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,700
It's not.
It's absolutely fine.

745
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,800
Yeah.
No that's really interesting.

746
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,200
I can it's like Hayden said it's
really nice to hear from you

747
00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:24,200
know, an English either
curriculum need and I think it's

748
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,300
important as experienced
teachers that we spread this

749
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,400
kind of message because I
certainly felt that I freaked

750
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,900
out and I still feel that way.
Now, I sometimes feel like a bit

751
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:37,400
of an impostor teaching reading
when I don't think that I'm a

752
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,700
specialist in it, if that makes
sense.

753
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,300
Yeah, and it's kind of the
nature of primary teaching, no

754
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:43,000
way.
Can we all be?

755
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:46,400
We teach what nine?
Ten different subjects and I

756
00:33:46,408 --> 00:33:49,200
think that kind of imposter
syndrome almost never leaves

757
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,200
you, you know, like yeah, like
we joked earlier about in the,

758
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,000
in the quick response teaching
PE.

759
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:58,600
Now I am, I love sport.
I watch sports, I play sport but

760
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,900
I am Not an amazing PE teacher
and I have to really go in

761
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:06,800
before every unit that we do.
Study it, read through the

762
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,900
objectives.
Think about what the end goal is

763
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,000
and then apply my pedagogies to
it.

764
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:12,500
Yeah.
And I'd like you say your

765
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,900
curriculum need as well.
How did you find that kind of

766
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,699
leading English as maybe like a
passion and then doing bits with

767
00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:19,600
geography and history?
Did you find that tricky to go

768
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,199
into as a leader or?
Oh my goodness!

769
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,100
It's so difficult!
And because we had offset a

770
00:34:23,107 --> 00:34:26,500
couple of months ago, and our
Deep dive was in history and my

771
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:30,100
historical knowledge is almost
non-existent Anytime I teach a

772
00:34:30,107 --> 00:34:33,400
topic I have to reset or teach
it myself before hand, if the

773
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,000
kids ask me questions, I just go
I don't write that down and find

774
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,900
out for you or let's Google it
now because I just I don't and I

775
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,699
openly admit that to them.
I don't know it myself but I

776
00:34:41,707 --> 00:34:44,500
think the joke when you said
about teaching PE so I used to

777
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,300
gymnastics coach.
So there you go.

778
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:50,600
Thanks but things like Invasion
games football rugby stuff like

779
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,199
that.
Absolutely clueless.

780
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,800
Not not got the foggiest, but
the funny funny story is we

781
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,400
ought to teach obviously DT
which are Kind of hate it and I

782
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,100
had to order all the equipment
for it and didn't know what I

783
00:35:03,107 --> 00:35:05,300
was doing.
Got my dad to pre-cut all the

784
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:06,900
bits of wood that they needed
because I thought that's gonna

785
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:08,300
be a disaster student in the
classroom.

786
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,000
Anyway, we've got to the day
where they got their pre-cut

787
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,100
bits of wood, I counted them
out, they got the good, all the

788
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:16,200
resources and it turned out.
I'd ordered 15 of the wrong type

789
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,000
of saw.
So we couldn't do any not only

790
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,600
did I wasted my school does know
this not only did we waste money

791
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,400
on that but like we couldn't
even go ahead with the project.

792
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,700
So then I had to take all of
those back to my dad to do the

793
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:28,900
bit that we were supposed to
doing.

794
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,100
It was just awful, I just think
someone else should be doing

795
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:34,000
this because I am totally
messing this up for the

796
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,200
children, but at least it was
funny, isn't easy measure for a

797
00:35:37,207 --> 00:35:39,700
DT lesson, when, when some of
the children start crying

798
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:43,100
because they can't make any of
the things all being.

799
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,700
Now, I know exactly.
You forget, I've got a story

800
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:47,900
based on this very quickly.
I remember, from last year, it

801
00:35:47,908 --> 00:35:50,400
was so funny because I had a
class last year.

802
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,400
We had a couple of adults in the
room, always, you know, that

803
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,400
some support stuff.
They're always with us in the

804
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,000
classrooms, there are 3 adults
in the room, all time and I done

805
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,900
what we mentioned earlier.
Yeah, I know that I'm not afraid

806
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,000
to say this that with this
particular lesson, it was

807
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,800
something that we taken from
last year and we taught it last

808
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,300
year.
Well, I was new to the year

809
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:08,700
group.
So this is where this is where

810
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,600
it comes in.
It would've been taught last

811
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,300
year.
Perfect.

812
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,100
Okay, cool.
I'd looked at the first few

813
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,100
slides because in the first
slide, it had a list of things

814
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,300
we need for the lesson and it
was a nice lesson because we

815
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,300
were making something.
I think it was I can't remember

816
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,400
what lesson would fit, space HG
or re or something along those

817
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,700
lines and the children had to
make an origami Pikachu.

818
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,100
And I was like, oh, that's quite
cool.

819
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:31,000
And I don't know why.
My car going Pikachu's, but we

820
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,700
all make an origami Pikachu at
the end.

821
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,500
And I was like, oh, that's
awesome.

822
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:35,700
Cool.
And there was a YouTube link and

823
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:37,900
I was like called no problem.
YouTube links, they're nice one

824
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,800
taught the lesson and I said I
really hope them up.

825
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,000
I was like guys, there's a
really it's a really cool top.

826
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,400
You'll never guess what the task
is it?

827
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Understandable that?
Okay, I'll let it gonna be and

828
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,200
we've got that as I write.
I press next on the slide

829
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,200
picture of Pikachu.
Comes out.

830
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,900
We're going to make one of them
and they go mad.

831
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,300
They they're so happy.
What would make it a Pikachu?

832
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,900
Anyway, four minutes into the
video 15 kids in tears the most

833
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Leslie hard bit of origami of
ever sit.

834
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,900
Not one of the children made a
piece of origami funny and

835
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,700
honest about folding paper.
Kids, and following me, though,

836
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,300
to be honest, it's so
complicated, but it was like,

837
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,800
you know, it wasn't the kids,
they can do a paper airplane,

838
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,500
all my good, but I couldn't do
it.

839
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,600
And to the point where I sat
there at the front, I had three

840
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,400
adults helping me.
We're trying to make them for

841
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,900
the kids so they could just take
it home.

842
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:25,300
Not only one Pikachu, not one.
This is like, remember that show

843
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:29,700
Art Attack with Neil?
Yeah, he kind of is If I'm going

844
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:32,600
to do alt or DTI try and do it,
this is what I made earlier

845
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,800
from, like lunchtime.
Not eating my pastor, and trying

846
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,900
to like Focus that paper plates.
Like, just so I know that I

847
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:40,200
could at least try and help the
kids when they do it.

848
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,400
But we've all been there before
I was going to say, say, what

849
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,000
you mean?
Teachers don't get lunch breaks

850
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,300
what you on about.
Yeah, so right or doing

851
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,200
something.
Yeah, but yeah, that's great to

852
00:37:51,207 --> 00:37:52,400
hear.
And I really want to break that

853
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,100
stigma as well because I'm I
still fall into that trap of

854
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,500
thinking.
Okay, I don't really, I'm not an

855
00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:59,700
expert.
This I feel much more

856
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,400
comfortable doing this lesson,
but as teachers, there's so much

857
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,600
we can do to still deliver
really good lessons and it goes

858
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,100
back to what you said earlier
about the relationship with the

859
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,500
kids, how important that is to
be able to say, to them, what

860
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,600
you said.
You know, guys, I'm not sure we

861
00:38:11,607 --> 00:38:14,500
can find this out together by
doing this, although it's such a

862
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:16,600
nice way to approach it rather
than trying to pretend.

863
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,600
I don't think there's a need for
that now.

864
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Absolutely Sophie brilliant.
You work in a 14-minute, rewrite

865
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,200
school.
Half woman half or mentary, even

866
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,500
lower.
Yeah, right.

867
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,500
Yeah, the question you and
question for you and this is

868
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:30,300
just me.
I'm curious now and hopefully

869
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,300
those people listening thinking
I'd love to know as well.

870
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:37,200
How on Earth do you manage that?
Because there is so much stop

871
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,100
there.
Stop there.

872
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:40,000
That's it.
How did you manage it?

873
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200
This is just such a great job.
I know.

874
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,700
I know.
So my previous goal is to form

875
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,200
entry and I moved to this
school, which I love by the way.

876
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,600
But in my first week there, I
think, I cried every day just

877
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,300
putting out there.
It was so different in my

878
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:57,000
previous school, not only to be
work which was to ferment.

879
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,800
We didn't work just as a year
group team, we worked.

880
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,100
A phase team.
So it's four of us doing all the

881
00:39:01,107 --> 00:39:03,800
foundation's subject planning.
And then obviously, we'd share

882
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800
with my year group partner, the
core subject planning, but

883
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,700
you're doing everything on your
own and because it was we were

884
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,500
rewriting the curriculum.
At the time, there wasn't really

885
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,100
any previous planning, you can
use either, which is good in a

886
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:17,600
way because obviously, you know,
you get to do anything you want.

887
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,900
That is one pro that you have
complete autonomy, but it was it

888
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,100
is insane.
And I do, I think I would if

889
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:27,900
you're an EC t.i., wouldn't
personally recommend going to

890
00:39:27,908 --> 00:39:30,000
such a tiny school I think it's
great.

891
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,800
If you're an experienced teacher
and you want the autonomy, but

892
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,400
if you either want more of an
easy life, I'm sorry.

893
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,500
It's not easy working a bigger
school, but in terms of

894
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,100
planning, I would say from
experience, it differently.

895
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,800
Yeah.
Yeah, it's fine to say, it's

896
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,200
like when you say you're 6 and
the start the the SLT will say

897
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,900
Well done to year 6 or less at
to be like, well, it was

898
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,200
everyone and I was like yeah, it
was, but it was mainly U6 as

899
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,800
well.
So we can say, you know, we can

900
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,200
say that some things easier is
easier in.

901
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:57,700
Yeah, that's funny, there's pros
and cons, but yet in that, in

902
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,800
that way, is easier and How do I
cope?

903
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,000
I don't know.
I think it was great that I

904
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,600
started when I didn't have a
child or anything to go home

905
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,700
before, and the fact that I, you
know, I'm quite passionate about

906
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:10,800
it.
Meant I didn't mind spending so

907
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,300
much time on it and my
colleagues were amazing as well,

908
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:17,600
which really helped, but we did
start with quite a few schemes

909
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,800
so that we could get things up
and running and a slowly sort of

910
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,900
phasing out the schemes or
keeping schemes that we really

911
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,000
liked.
But I don't know how I came

912
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,800
because I just cried a lot.
But do you feel like SLT huh?

913
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,700
Part to play though in, like,
managing that workload a bit for

914
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:35,400
you, or you very much left, it
just like crack on, you know,

915
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,400
get it done.
So thing.

916
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,600
No, I mean, again, because we're
so small, we pretty much just

917
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,600
have a head teacher.
That is kind of our only SLT but

918
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,500
she is just amazing in terms of
expectations, because she knows

919
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:50,100
that it's difficult.
And she also, like, in terms of

920
00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:52,900
SATs as well, there's no, like,
pressure to perform a certain

921
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,600
way, and that's because she
knows all the children.

922
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,700
All the families really, really
well because we're such a small

923
00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,400
school so it does help.
And and she teaches as well,

924
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,300
still in the classes.
So because she keeps a toe

925
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,900
dipped in, she knows what it's
like so it definitely helps

926
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:07,300
having an SLT that completely
understands and is really

927
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,100
supportive as well.
Yeah, that kind of thing.

928
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:11,800
Does often come from the top
down, doesn't it?

929
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,300
And it can be, it can be easy.
Sometimes we've talked about

930
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:18,700
this before, this balance,
between letting staff, go above

931
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,100
and beyond consistently every
week, putting hours and hours

932
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:22,200
in.
And whether they, you know, they

933
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,300
say, oh I want to it's fine, but
there's there also comes a point

934
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,500
as sot.
Think, well, that's hit the

935
00:41:26,508 --> 00:41:28,100
jackpot there.
This person doesn't mind doing

936
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:29,700
this.
This and this But then there's

937
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:31,900
also a point where they've got
to be like, well, you know, we

938
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:33,100
can, we can click this down, the
road.

939
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,900
We've got a plan, this is our
priority.

940
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:38,400
Now our next priority, next term
can be this, and that management

941
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,200
has such an effect it for you to
kind of be like, okay, that's

942
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,800
also part of being a good
manager, isn't it?

943
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,400
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's also
have eyes open door policy.

944
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,100
I don't really like the phrase,
but I know that I can go to my

945
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:50,300
head teacher.
If I'm struggling.

946
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,900
If I don't like something, I
think it's a rubbish scheme.

947
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:55,600
I can openly say that and she'll
actually not just go.

948
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:57,000
Yeah, okay, that's great.
Send me away.

949
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,800
She'll actually take my opinion
into consideration.

950
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:00,700
Ation.
So, having being able to have a

951
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,600
two-way conversation, not just
being told what to do is has

952
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,700
really helped as well.
Okay, before we move on to the

953
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:12,600
discussion point, I'm actually
most excited to talk about.

954
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,500
I just want to say to any
listeners out there, if you

955
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:18,800
would like, to follow Sophie on
Twitter, you can find her at and

956
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,700
at underscore Missy beasts.
Miss emis, s, IE b e, amazing.

957
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:25,600
I highly recommend it because
Sophie does share loads of

958
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,000
resources and I know recently
you made some analysis of the

959
00:42:29,008 --> 00:42:31,400
SATs as well, which I put I
personally as a 60-acre farm

960
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
really just really handy.
It was it was just awesome to

961
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,100
look through purely out of
curiosity, LED anything else?

962
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,900
So yeah, thank you for I know a
lot of people really appreciate

963
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:40,800
it.
So we're going to move onto our

964
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,500
last discussion point now, and I
know this is something you're

965
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,700
passionate about because we've
seen you post about it.

966
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,100
And, and I think it's just one
of those topics that not a lot

967
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:52,600
of teachers know about.
And those that do there's a lot

968
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,000
of controversy perhaps around it
or how the way, people think

969
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,200
about it.
So we're going to talk now about

970
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,100
shared, parental leave or SPL as
it's often often.

971
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:04,300
Shortened to.
Yeah, I'm not going to say too

972
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,900
much because I know usually you
might just want to talk about

973
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,000
it.
But I would like to start off.

974
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,300
Start you off with a question,
really, just to explain to the

975
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:13,100
listeners.
What is shared parental leave

976
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:15,000
and what does it have to do with
teaching?

977
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Well, I actually only found out
about it when I when I got

978
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,000
pregnant my.
So it's as the title might

979
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,600
suggest it's mainly for well,
not just women but women going

980
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,800
maternity leave and then any
partners that they have to take

981
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
leap parental leave as well as
you can share the leave.

982
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,400
But particularly for teachers
it's a great opportunity to add

983
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,600
additional Come to your
maternity pay, which is

984
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,500
notoriously poor.
So I found out about it from a

985
00:43:42,508 --> 00:43:45,200
colleague and my school have
never done it before so it's

986
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,800
completely new to my school and
when I talk to other people, not

987
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,200
many people knew about it either
and my husband's in the RAF and

988
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,100
he managed to do it as well.
I don't think anyone he knew who

989
00:43:54,107 --> 00:43:56,300
had done it before.
So but it's one of those things

990
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,900
that I think people may have
heard of but it just sounds like

991
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,000
something that's too much work
and isn't worth it.

992
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,100
Let me tell you now, it is
definitely worth it so look into

993
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:09,500
it but it is Is obviously it
works differently for different

994
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:13,000
people situations but for a
teach you but you can basically

995
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,500
share your parental leave.
So as a woman going on maternity

996
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:20,800
leave, you can take up to four
teaching 39 weeks, you'll get

997
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,900
some sort of pay and then you
can get 52 weeks.

998
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:26,900
But you can share that first 39
weeks with the other parent of

999
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:28,700
the child.
So that while one of you is at

1000
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,400
work, the other person is at
home and you can, you can swap

1001
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,000
that and I think up to about
three blocks.

1002
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,600
So it's particularly beneficial
for teachers because we're

1003
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,000
Contracting Today with the
holidays, we can return to work

1004
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,000
during the holidays, in inverted
commas, return to work, but get

1005
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,800
paid for that.
So you can get paid for being at

1006
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,500
work but you're not actually in
work because it's during the

1007
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,600
holidays.
So that's a way of getting extra

1008
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000
pay but it can also benefit you
in the way.

1009
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,600
It's benefited us that my
husband has done it and whilst

1010
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,600
I'm at work, he is at home with
my child.

1011
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,800
So he's managed to get that time
off at the same time, so that's

1012
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,600
been Been particularly
beneficial for us.

1013
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,100
So actually in that in that
example, you're both at home

1014
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,200
together, aren't you?
Because you're actually at work.

1015
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I've seen some examples that

1016
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,500
case studies not case studies,
but just examples of people

1017
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:22,800
talking about it, where they've
actually ended ended up getting

1018
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,100
like five, six more weeks across
the year of paid maternity

1019
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:29,900
leave, and let you said,
maternity leave in teaching is

1020
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:34,100
so terrible compared to a lot of
other private and public

1021
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:35,600
services.
You know, we've compared to

1022
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:39,300
before I think the police force
And so I don't blame anyone

1023
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,800
wanting to do it but I think the
controversy comes a little bit

1024
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,700
around it feels really cheeky
because you're technically

1025
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:49,200
returning to work when you know
you when we know we're at home

1026
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,900
and I think that puts off a lot
of people.

1027
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:54,100
Yeah.
How do we get around this?

1028
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:55,900
How do we convince more people
that he teaches?

1029
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,900
We do so much work like this is
you know this is the least that

1030
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:01,400
could be done for us as
teachers.

1031
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,400
What do you do?
I kind of the way I've kind of

1032
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,500
looked at it is because
obviously the I sort of Thought

1033
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:09,600
all the more money they're
paying me, the less money that's

1034
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,200
going to the kids.
That's the kind of way that I

1035
00:46:11,207 --> 00:46:13,700
sort of thought about it, but
then I thought well, firstly

1036
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,100
I'm, I am contracted for those,
you know, that is part of my

1037
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:18,800
work.
I'm contractor for those times.

1038
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,800
I go over and above all the time
as it is but also it is a

1039
00:46:22,808 --> 00:46:25,000
legitimate thing.
It's a government scheme,

1040
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,600
scheme, or policy, whatever you
wanna call it.

1041
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,300
It's not just for teachers, it's
something that the government

1042
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,500
allowing anyone to do in the
public sector.

1043
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,800
So why would you not take
advantage of that in the end?

1044
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,900
I sort of see it as money,
that's going to benefit me.

1045
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,300
Child.
So why would I turn that down?

1046
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,800
Because I feel a bit guilty
because other people are doing

1047
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,700
it.
So I'm not going to get on my

1048
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:44,900
moral high horse and be like
well I'm not going to take that

1049
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:47,200
money because you better
believe, I undertake that money

1050
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,800
if I can get it, it's a bit like
returning to work, which again,

1051
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,100
is what I'm doing.
And I was a bit dubious about it

1052
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,700
until a few people, convinced
me, it's normal.

1053
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:57,900
I'm returning to work at the
beginning of the summer

1054
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,500
holidays.
Because why would I not get that

1055
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:02,600
money over summer holidays and
then actually go back in

1056
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,500
September, which feels again, it
does feel cheeky but I think

1057
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:10,400
we're so So used to feeling
guilty all the time as teachers

1058
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,900
for doing things that we think
are, maybe taking away from

1059
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:15,400
school or taking away from
children.

1060
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,800
That we forget to look after
ourselves and you would

1061
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,100
recommend it to family and
friends.

1062
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:20,500
So why would you not do it for
yourself?

1063
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:24,100
Basically, it's so true and I
think something that I want to

1064
00:47:24,107 --> 00:47:28,000
touch on there, what's really
powerful is and maybe you can

1065
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,300
talk to this as someone who's
now had a child.

1066
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,300
Do you feel like because you
alluded to it they're like I'm

1067
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:34,600
going to take the money, it's my
kid.

1068
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,300
Do you feel like when you Now
you've had your child and, you

1069
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,600
know, you've read about these
schemes and it became more real

1070
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,100
that you are going to have this.
You know, person is dependent

1071
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:45,100
on.
You did you feel more confident

1072
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:48,600
then to be able to go to SL T
and kind of in a way there'll be

1073
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,000
some people out there at schools
who are scared to do that who

1074
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,500
like they have that Open Door
pot like you described it as I

1075
00:47:53,508 --> 00:47:55,600
think where you can speak to
your SLT.

1076
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,300
I know a lot of women who I've
spoken to about it, who's

1077
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,900
responses, they didn't
necessarily feel guilty, but

1078
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,500
they don't feel like they can do
that in their school.

1079
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,800
They feel like they're rocking
the boat.

1080
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,000
They feel like, yeah, it's going
to be detrimental stem.

1081
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,900
And I've had someone say to me,
well, I'm worried because even

1082
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:12,400
if they do put it through,
because it's all okay.

1083
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,300
And I know it's legal that
they're going to treat me

1084
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:15,400
differently when I go back a
bit.

1085
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,700
Yeah, I mean I've had a few
messages on Facebook about that

1086
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:20,900
because I think I post about it
once and quite a few people

1087
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:24,700
deemed me and said the similar
thing, I mean, I totally get it

1088
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:27,900
because you don't want to rock
the boat and I do think I can

1089
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,600
only speak on behalf of being a
woman but I do think being a

1090
00:48:30,607 --> 00:48:33,300
woman as well.
You don't want to you know that

1091
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,800
you feel like you're taking the
mick taking nine months plus out

1092
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,400
of I could being paid even
though it's not very much but it

1093
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,000
is a full-time job and you need
that time off to look after a

1094
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,800
child.
And it's just, you know, kind of

1095
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,300
basic you need the money to do
it as well, but I just think

1096
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,000
it's is actually like the
government have allowed it to

1097
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,300
happen.
So why should you ask for it?

1098
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,500
The website teacher SPL has
loads of advice and help on

1099
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,800
there and I think the lady who
runs it called Kinser, runs a

1100
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,300
service where she will write
write the letters for you, write

1101
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,500
the email for you, so that
you've got all All the proper

1102
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,800
language in place if you wanted
to do it via email rather than

1103
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,500
in person.
But it is, it does take bravery

1104
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:17,400
to be the first person to step
up and do it, but you just, I

1105
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,000
don't know.
It's just I get it.

1106
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,600
It's a brave thing to do but
you're going to benefit from the

1107
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,200
end of the day.
And you think if you want other

1108
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,600
women in your school, other
women in other schools, be able

1109
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,700
to benefit from it, which you
think most people do, then we

1110
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:30,800
need to make it more widely
known and more people need to

1111
00:49:30,808 --> 00:49:33,700
take the step and actually asked
for it and you're doing that.

1112
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:34,800
Now that's what you're doing
right now.

1113
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,700
Which is why, you know, we
really wanted you to get you on

1114
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:38,400
here.
And talk about it because what

1115
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,200
you've done is really powerful.
You've got to think, like you've

1116
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,100
put a lot of money and a lot of
mums Pockets.

1117
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:47,300
Hey yeah, it's really good and
it's, you've been brave and be

1118
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:50,300
the first person to do it
yourself and I think the more we

1119
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:52,700
normalize it the better because
like you said, the government

1120
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,800
don't give us much.
Do they know they're gonna let

1121
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,900
us do this?
Then absolutely.

1122
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:57,700
We should be taken up.
Yeah, I think the most powerful

1123
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,600
what you said there and the one
that I would use now if I'm ever

1124
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,700
talking to someone who's a bit
like, well I don't know about it

1125
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:07,200
to try and convince them is the
fact that you said, This, you

1126
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,200
know, we already work in the
holidays, we already give so

1127
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,600
much to this job.
This job takes advantages of

1128
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,900
teachers to the nth degree.
You know, don't feel bad about

1129
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:20,800
this very, very, very small
thing that you can take

1130
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,000
advantage of because it's still
a drop in the ocean compared to,

1131
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,500
you know what, your Goodwill is
going towards in this job.

1132
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:28,500
It's the least.
Yeah, you are owed in this job.

1133
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:31,000
So, take it take, I'm sure you
are entitled to it.

1134
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,100
It's not them going over and
above and doing your favor.

1135
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:36,100
You're actually entitled to it's
a bit like saying, oh, don't pay

1136
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,700
me over the summer.
Take off, six weeks off my like

1137
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:39,900
you're not going to do that, are
you?

1138
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:41,700
So you're entitled to it.
It's just a shame.

1139
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:43,400
It's not something that's a
given.

1140
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,200
We actually have to ask for it
rather than it being an

1141
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,700
automatic thing.
So they're not be really

1142
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:50,400
powerful and if schools to kind
of take that approach of taking

1143
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,500
this stepping out of the, you
know, the backseat and saying

1144
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,200
guys, you know, this is a thing
that happens if anyone is

1145
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,900
thinking of going on maternity,
we're actually going to suggest

1146
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:00,600
this because it can only help
you guys.

1147
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,100
I think that would be such a
powerful thing.

1148
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:05,500
If maybe talking about it more,
we can get more SLT, more people

1149
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:08,400
in charge to kind of Be the
first step so that they don't

1150
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,800
feel as awkward that be really
powerful.

1151
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,900
I think.
Yeah, definitely.

1152
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:14,500
So interested to know and maybe
we've got some SLT listeners out

1153
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:16,300
there headteachers, maybe and
Dylan.

1154
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:19,000
We usually do a poll on Spotify
underneath underneath the

1155
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,500
episode.
I think we might do this as a

1156
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:23,500
pole because I'm so curious as
to just who's heard of it

1157
00:51:23,508 --> 00:51:26,200
before, particularly SLT, have
you even heard of it?

1158
00:51:26,207 --> 00:51:29,400
Because I am willing to bet just
from my limited experience of

1159
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,800
schools and knowing staff that a
lot of SLT and head.

1160
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,200
Teachers have never even heard
of it before.

1161
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,300
Yeah, my school hadn't and they
To go.

1162
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:41,000
I sent them the websites to say,
me, they weren't unwilling, but

1163
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:42,800
they just wanted to know more
about it, so I sent them the

1164
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,300
government website and the
teacher SPO website and they

1165
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,300
read up about it in cells
because they had no idea about

1166
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,100
it.
So, maybe this is a change.

1167
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:51,800
We can push, you know, maybe
anyone out there doesn't matter

1168
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,000
if you're benefiting from it or
not, there's no harm in going to

1169
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,400
your SLT, you know, next week or
whenever you're in and saying

1170
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,600
that this is a thing, I think it
would be a really, really good

1171
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,500
thing for wellbeing, and
something very nice for our

1172
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:05,400
school to promote and and like
taking the lead on for teachers,

1173
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,800
you know, that could be a good a
good mood.

1174
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:08,600
Yeah, good change.
Can I just add something on in

1175
00:52:08,607 --> 00:52:10,500
case anyone's listening?
That is thinking.

1176
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,800
Can they do it?
I think you've got, you need to

1177
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,800
apply at least eight weeks
before the first kind of Chunk

1178
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,000
that you want to take.
So if you've already had a baby,

1179
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,800
it's not too late.
You don't have to just apply

1180
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,400
when you're pregnant.
So I obviously Summers think

1181
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,500
Summers less than eight weeks
away actually, but the next one

1182
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:31,200
would be Autumn half-term.
So as long as you apply at least

1183
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,800
eight weeks for Autumn halftime,
you can get that week paid.

1184
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,400
So if anyone's listening and
they've had a baby that they

1185
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,800
think they can.
That you can just saying that I

1186
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,700
will just reiterate the website
as well because I know it's so

1187
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:46,500
helpful, and you mentioned
earlier, it's www.hsn plural,

1188
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,500
SPL .co.uk, so do visit that we
will put a link in the

1189
00:52:50,508 --> 00:52:52,500
description as well as podcast.
So if you're listening to, this

1190
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:57,100
will have a link there as well.
Okay?

1191
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,400
So every guest we get on to the
podcast, we have asked to come

1192
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,900
with their favorite story from
the classroom because I know you

1193
00:53:02,908 --> 00:53:04,800
guys love listening to these
stories.

1194
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:06,800
It can be funny, it can be
embarrassing.

1195
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,500
It can be really heartwarming.
We've told a lot of different

1196
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:11,700
ones.
So for you, what kind of story

1197
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:15,500
of you brought for us today?
Embarrassing Slough, family

1198
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:18,800
favorites.
Yeah.

1199
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,700
So I still look back on this one
and cringe and just want to be

1200
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:25,000
swallowed up into a hole.
So I was an unqualified teacher

1201
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,000
at the time, it was like, June
or July.

1202
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,500
And I qualified to start in
September, but my school had

1203
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:32,700
employed me to do some cover.
So the teacher had left me, I

1204
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,200
can't, I think it was a science
lesson, they were doing research

1205
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,800
on infectious diseases.
So, All the children had an

1206
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,300
individual Act of out and I was
so conscientious because I knew

1207
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,500
my head was just going to come
in and check on me to see if I

1208
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:44,600
was okay.
And obviously I was going to be

1209
00:53:44,607 --> 00:53:46,500
employed probably by that school
in September.

1210
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,500
And I thought in my head and I
know now it's almost when you

1211
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:53,500
think you've checked on every
single child, you haven't, you

1212
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,400
think you have but you haven't.
So I was going on looking at

1213
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,100
every single child watching what
they were doing and writing down

1214
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,300
the notes.
Anyway, I collected all the

1215
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,100
notes at the end on their
research, on infectious diseases

1216
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:06,100
to look through it and I found
two boys.

1217
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:08,700
Who sat next to each Each other
and they done research about

1218
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,400
STIs.
Way that prostitutes can also

1219
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,000
share STIs with each other and
some of the words that they'd

1220
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,500
written down, I can't repeat
forecast and I honestly, I did

1221
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,800
not know what to do with myself.
And I went straight to my head

1222
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,500
and just admitted it.
I think I was probably even

1223
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:28,300
crying and luckily, he found it
funny because thank goodness,

1224
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:30,800
the two boys.
Their parents are both teachers

1225
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,100
so he said they will understand,
trust me.

1226
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,500
So he sat with me and I phoned
them both to say, I'm really

1227
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:38,100
sorry.
They probably know these words

1228
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:39,800
and this is what they looked up
and thank goodness.

1229
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:44,400
They both found it funny but
that was so embarrassing and I

1230
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,000
don't think I live that down for
a while you've been so careful.

1231
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,100
Ever since any research, let's
go to this website.

1232
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:54,700
I just thought the school
filters would pick up.

1233
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:56,600
I don't know how that went
through the school filters but a

1234
00:54:56,607 --> 00:54:59,900
lesson learned from then on.
So that is good though that

1235
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:01,800
their parents were teachers are
not prostitutes because then it

1236
00:55:01,808 --> 00:55:09,600
would I just, I love going off
on a tangent, like imagination

1237
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,900
in my head and just imagine it,
you never clocked on how far

1238
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:17,000
would have got exposed to you
like, yeah, I read all of them.

1239
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,100
I read all of your research what
was so good and the boys,

1240
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:20,800
they're like, oh, I'm going to
do a presentation.

1241
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,700
Now, these two boys are
volunteer to present in front of

1242
00:55:22,707 --> 00:55:27,400
the whole school.
Imagine thinking about that was

1243
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,300
a very good story.
You set a very high bar there

1244
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:32,600
from future guests, thank you
for sharing.

1245
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,800
So if you want to say before we
face because going to finish up

1246
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:36,700
there.
Thank you so much.

1247
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:38,700
Or coming on, we really
appreciate your time.

1248
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,200
It was so so useful and I hope
anyone listening has got as much

1249
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,700
out of that as we have.
So thank you so much, I'll thank

1250
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:45,900
you for having me.
It's been really fun.

1251
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:49,600
I really enjoyed it.
Did I make?

1252
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,000
I don't know about you but I
absolutely loved every single

1253
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,900
minute of that chat.
Sophie, you're a fantastic

1254
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:55,200
guest.
Thank you again for coming on.

1255
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,100
I really really particularly
enjoyed the conversation about

1256
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,400
SPL because I'm just hoping that
there are some teachers out

1257
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,800
there that have now listen to
this.

1258
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,800
And I've got the courage to just
go and talk to the SLT or do

1259
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,900
whatever it is to get the ball
rolling with their shared

1260
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,700
parental leave.
So I thank you for sharing your

1261
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:13,800
wisdom.
My favorite part of that podcast

1262
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,900
was certainly the kind of idea
of you know, Sophie Has this

1263
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:19,500
Aura of this.
Unbelievable teacher.

1264
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,700
And she is amazing.
But she wasn't afraid to just

1265
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:23,800
say, well actually, I do like
this sometimes and it doesn't

1266
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,000
always work out and that idea of
actually being reflective and

1267
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,100
there's no do you know the
social media platform, sometimes

1268
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,800
can kind of give this idea of
almost, sometimes a toxic

1269
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,500
positivity of you go above and
beyond and do all this and you

1270
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,400
can feel a bit, you know, I
might, am I up to the standard

1271
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,200
and she was so, so, so good at
showing, how she's amazing at

1272
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,500
her job, but a realist as well.
And I think that will help a lot

1273
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:47,300
of people.
Yeah, just a normal teacher, she

1274
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:48,800
made.
I felt better just listening to

1275
00:56:48,808 --> 00:56:51,200
our cause I'll thank God.
She's just does these things

1276
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,600
that I do as well, you know,
we're all human.

1277
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,400
We can only do so much.
I also particularly enjoyed the

1278
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,900
story.
So thank you, Sophie for setting

1279
00:56:57,900 --> 00:56:59,600
the bar really high.
That was really funny.

1280
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,000
Yeah, I've asked me popping
chuckling phrases that that it

1281
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,100
did make me think though, if you
guys have got any stories, this

1282
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:07,200
is what we want them.
This is what we need.

1283
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,800
We need you to write in with
your stories from the classroom.

1284
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,000
It can be funny.
It could be anything for you

1285
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,800
that you want to share and if
it's good, we'll share it.

1286
00:57:13,808 --> 00:57:16,100
If it's not, we just won't.
So don't worry about that.

1287
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:19,700
It's time, I can't do this.
You know, I can't.

1288
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:21,600
All right.
And maybe one day I'll have the

1289
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,800
courage.
I think you Dylan need to share

1290
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:28,000
them handles for social media.
Now, I've got a confession to

1291
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,300
make butter in a minute.
Okay, so first of all,

1292
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:35,100
Instagram, teach sleep, repeat
podcast, she'll find us there,

1293
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:40,000
Gmail is always teach seek.
Repeat POD, at gmail.com and

1294
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,500
here's my confession.
Big news.

1295
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,300
We're on Twitter now greatness.
Right.

1296
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,700
Nice.
But we have a new handle.

1297
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:46,400
We have another new handle, two
reasons.

1298
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,600
Number one, I want to annoy you.
Cause you really don't.

1299
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,200
Like the fact, we have lots of
different animals, but number

1300
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,400
two, the other ones weren't
actually available.

1301
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,700
Okay, well, they were too long,
so if you want to find us on

1302
00:57:54,707 --> 00:57:55,700
Twitter, which is where we're
at.

1303
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:57,400
Now, please do come and follow
us.

1304
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,600
We will follow you back of
course the handle and I'm gonna

1305
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,000
get this right is at teach Sr
podcast, come find us on

1306
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,700
Twitter.
Is that all right, listen if

1307
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:11,200
there's any, like budding
podcasters out there, take this

1308
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,100
one bit of advice from us and
this is that's the number one,

1309
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:15,400
bit of advice that we listen to
when we started the podcast,

1310
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,200
which is, if you want to grow,
you want Be consistent.

1311
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,200
Make sure that you have really
long complex, different handles

1312
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,700
for all of your social media.
So you heard it here first,

1313
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,300
folks, this, that's how you run
a podcast, that's right, isn't

1314
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:28,700
it?
Make yourselves as hard to find

1315
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:33,500
as possible?
It's that's the anyway, really

1316
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:35,300
enjoyed that can't wait for more
guessing the future.

1317
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:38,800
Guys, let us know if you enjoyed
listening to Sophie because I

1318
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,000
certainly absolutely loved being
a part of that conversation.

1319
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,200
We'll see you again next time
for another episode.

1320
00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:45,000
Bye everyone.