Ep 16: The Truth About School Residential Trips

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Hello.
Yeah.

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Hi.
Is this the standards and

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testings agency?
Yes, that's right.

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The STA in charge of making sure
the tests are right for you.

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How can I help?
It's the government, you know,

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we gave you 35 million to sort
out the key stage 2 tests this

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year.
Thanks for that five minute, one

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second sir.
Yeah.

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Oh yeah we do have that on
account.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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Do you realize you've made a
mistake on the maths paper?

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But oh, oh, yes, yes, no, we
did.

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We've got notes here.
Actually, we did make a mistake.

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That's right.
It was actually Phil.

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He's a plonker is a plunger.
Make sure you are aware.

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We paid you, millions of pounds
to check these papers, this

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insert.
Don't worry about that.

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I would appreciate if you kept
your tone civil, okay?

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Because we are trying to explain
to you that it was Phil who made

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the mistake and if you'd like to
make a complaint that something

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we can go through with you, no
problem.

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I'll just have to transfer you
through to 70 different people

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but don't you worry?
Because what we've done to

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actually fix the mistake for
you, it's actually quite clever.

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Okay, in the mark scheme, all
we've said, is that if the

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children actually change the
question themselves, cross it

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out and put an answer that fits
then they're going to get the

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mark.
So don't worry about that.

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Sir orbital know what?
We obviously we, you know, we

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can't obviously change the
question.

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We've never done that before.
No, no sir.

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That's absolutely fine.
We've taken care of that.

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I've actually got another call,
so that's all.

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Thank you so much for your call
today and I'll see you next

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time.
Hey, Charlie.

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It's still me.
It's, you still got me.

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Oh, sorry, sir, Justin.
I was just saying that by their

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see you later.
This, this is Hello everyone and

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welcome back to another episode
of teach sleep.

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Repeat, this is episode 16.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden and that's get you heard
at the start and actual thing

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that have well, okay, maybe that
didn't actually happen.

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That wasn't actually a recording
that but wasn't there wasn't

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mistaken this.
No, no, that wasn't actually.

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That was, that was something we
recreate that.

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I know.
It's very, very realistic but we

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did recreate that.
But yeah, Hayden there was

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actually well, you can you This
is just this is just crazy.

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Right there was an actual
mistake in the SATs paper.

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I was shocked.
Not that you know what?

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Not really there's been a
mistake before a couple years

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ago but I'm shot at the fact
that they spend so much money on

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this every year.
The only data we have by the way

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is back from like 2012.
That's the last bit of data.

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I can find that's a publicly
accessible and how much they

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spend.
And it was 35 million pounds 35

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million pounds for the standards
and testing the standards and

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testing Agency for the SATs.
So the sat-sun for the same

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time, what you're calling them?
The sun, that's passed a budget

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for the literal.
The Key Safety side /.

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So the mistake just so everyone
knows the mistake was in the

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maths paper and it might sound
insignificant to people

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listening who are teachers and
stuff.

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But like you've got to remember
how specific we are.

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And we teach these children
vocabulary and maths and how we

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look out for these kinds of
things.

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And the question was, I think it
was something Square.

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I think was for squared, Or 7
squared something like that,

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plus blank squared.
So the exponent was written down

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blank squared equals an answer
and what the children had to

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realize was that it had to equal
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So something squared has to
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That's what the question was
asking, but the question said,

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write down the square number in
the Gap.

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Now, there's a problem here
because nine is three squared

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and the children had to write
down three in the For it to work

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three if you're not sure isn't a
square number.

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So the question saying, write
down a square number really

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through a lot of children off,
who were taught to very

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carefully.
Read the question.

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They know it has to add up to
answer 9, but there's no number.

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That's a square number that we
can then Square to get nine as

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an answer.
So this is a mistake on the

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paper Hayden.
Can you explain what the answer

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actual schemes?
This is crazy.

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And this is what the reason we
did this get, by the way, is

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because we think they, As this
and which will explain the mark

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scheme.
We think they realized to this

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maybe in the later stages
everything's printed

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everything's been sending, you
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can't turn back now because the
answer seems scheme says except

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three as an answer because
obviously that is the actual

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answer they were hoping for but
because it says, write a square

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number there.
The answer scheme says, if

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they've crossed out the little
to Italy, she says that, if

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they've if they've crossed out
the little too and written nine

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there, instead you just give him
that as well, they could that

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they can leave So if they've
changed a little question, if

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they change the, I love this
because if this is going to set

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a precedent and I'll teach all
my children's do this, just

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write 0 and change the question.
It is 0 plus 0 or 0 squared.

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Yeah, or one, take away.
One is fine if we change the

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question.
Good on ya, Lads.

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Let's get a Mark, I just
couldn't believe.

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You know what people listening
that aren't in?

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The teaching world are probably
thinking.

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This is pathetic.
Like why are these guys even

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riled up by this?
They've just miss the tiniest

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thing.
But you have to understand.

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It's never happened before the
children.

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Cannot change anything in the
paper.

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And we explicitly.
Teach them that.

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You cannot change the pay.
You can't just cross out part of

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the question and then put your
own number there.

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That's not right, but they
clearly made a mistake.

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There, 1.7 million Budget on
writing the papers clearly

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wasn't enough to to, you know,
to check.

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They had to, I did have to write
6 whole papers to be fair that

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I'm that's quite a lot and to be
honest with you, I think most of

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the budget went on making the
English paper as hard as

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possible, so we'll let him off
this time.

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That was one thing that happened
this week.

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Obviously the publication of all
the sets papers Hayden, how's

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your week, apart from that me,
I've been part of it.

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You know what?
It's be great.

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I don't want to go too much
detail about, you know, the main

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things.
And it's also episode the rest

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of the residential, because I
was able talk about that later.

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But I got a couple of funny
things just to, you know, to

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Enlighten you with first things
first, you know, I talked about

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my bird problem.
All right.

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Not the problem of all, you
know, you know, the women

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flocking towards me and we call
numbers all, you're not using a

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derogatory term for what.
Huh, I'm not like that.

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Oh, About the animal about
animals.

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I was specifically saying I'm
not derogatory like that he

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called in the manimals.
You disgusting man, get out of

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here.
So my bird problem right in the,

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in the roof someone wrote in and
said it was it was Andrew who's

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raised fast before he said I had
to stop your podcast when I was

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cooking my dinner to message you
because I have the same problem

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I have had for the last two
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Loads and loads of parakeet.
Nesting in the soffits of my

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roof and I cannot get rid of
them and he went into, great

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detail to tell me how originally
went up there and, you know, you

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just put some like anti nesting
stuff up there that you can buy,

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didn't do anything.
He said, they literally picked

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up and trucked out.
They chucked it back on the

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floor, it was like, well, I'm
going to be more serious now.

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So put up the classic like metal
Spike things, that they don't

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come and land there anymore.
That didn't stop them.

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Just moved up a little bit and
then sent me a picture.

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He was like, Yep, this is my
house right now and it's a

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picture and there's like, 12
parakeets living A beautiful.

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That's the thing that, you know,
that lovely green birds, that

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seem to be around here, some
reason.

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Yeah.
There's like there's like loads

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of folklore around that because
where we live, for those

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listeners where where we live
there is, there are just these

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this group of parakeets, like,
and there's like, this whole

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folklore behind why they're
here, like there was a don't

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belong here.
There's like a story that

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apparently, someone used to keep
them and they escaped, and

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they've kind of just adapted to
the world, but there are literal

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parakeets it's gone.
That's two minutes.

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I wouldn't know whether to be
like quite grateful or hate it.

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I think I very quickly.
I think he called them beautiful

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pests and it's like yeah that's
perfect as they are really

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pretty but that don't really
want them in your that's what a

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lot of people have called you an
apology.

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It's a beautiful pair style,
take it 5050 that's not too bad

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you know but one other thing
before you know let you talk

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that won't ever end and I thank
you today something really well

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actually before you carry on I
was just today, something really

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funny happened and I had to
share with you.

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I even said to you when I saw
you today I was I've got

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something funny of the Don't let
me forget.

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So, isn't that pathetic how our
relationship has descended into

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that?
Like, weird jokes aside?

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I've got something hilarious to
tell you, but I can't tell you

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now.
I'm gonna record it later.

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What a fuck, what are we doing?
We're living a lie anyway.

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I don't know the story.
I don't, I don't this better be

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worth the reaction, but I didn't
get assembly scientist.

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It's a short story.
So in maths today we this week,

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we've been learning.
It's like a money week that if

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anyone else does that.
Any teachers out there?

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My money week is a common thing
and today's lesson was all about

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in.
Lawrence and a little fun tasks,

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was the end of the lesson was,
right?

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Okay.
You guys are going to pair up.

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I mean, sorry, but insurance,
and fun tasks where they go.

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I know I thought that when I
started the lesson, but they

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will weirdly into it, weirdly
into it.

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Anyway, that's asked, was to
create their own insurance

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company.
They got to make up something

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they're going to ensure and then
I'll mate how much more fun

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could this get?
Because this is what a story at

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people at home on the edge of
their seats.

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I've got a really cool story.
I'm talking about insurance and

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it goes out to make their own.
Shorts Company.

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What I can't wear this code,
it's all make a claim.

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The song.
Make no medical life.

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He's all right.
No, I made a claim but these two

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boys made their insurance
company and they decided they

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were going to ensure toys as
like, yeah, we're gonna make it

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a toy insurance company.
If your toys break will give you

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ten toys back, was their idea
and they decided to call their

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company.
The toy boys.

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They had obviously like no, no,
understanding of the kind of

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toys.
They were running around.

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But yeah, with the toys, we do
this wooden toys and apparently

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they went to their English
lesson as well and was still

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referred to himself as the toy
boys.

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And then the teacher is like
what?

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Like not knowing the context and
it just cracked cracked me up.

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I couldn't help but laugh they
thought their pictures was

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really funny and I was just
laughing at toy.

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Boys Highlights Highlights.
We've got to today then.

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Well, how was school today?
Yeah, not bad, mr.

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Stevens blowers are blow dryer,
and it is sometimes tables.

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And then and then we let the
other company and called us the

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toy boys.
It was lovely.

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Oh yeah, what did you sell kids
worried at this point insurance

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insurance, that's really fun.
That's all right, then?

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That to be fair was well worth
it.

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I really regret Garden.
You that I knew you between your

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face you're like shut up.
It's quite a good story.

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Maybe Giggles anything, it's
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I was going to actually
something I thought about just

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from that is we've been doing
money this week.

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I know what, when you say my
money week, that's what your 6

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after the Saturn.
It's very much like life skill

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with my.
Yeah, exactly that.

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We've been, we've been teaching.
I've been teaching money to buy

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your fours, and I'm sure, let's
teach this out.

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I can't help but put it in the
context of Because I think it's

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so important.
And, you know, when we do money

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on the curriculum, it's like
comparing amounts of money and

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and knowing how Pence and pound
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convert them and they may be
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an addition problem or
subtraction or something like

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that, but I can't help but go
into, like, almost just a

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discussion with them about money
and just to see, how they

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understand money, because the
curriculum is quite outdated,

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actually, when it comes to
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time looking at notes and coins
and albeit important. 85% of my

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transactions are cashless and in
society, it's going that way

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where, you know, children need
to kind of learn as well.

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You know, my children didn't
know this from the discussion.

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They didn't understand how a
bank work.

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Then understand what a card was.
They didn't quite understand

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that when you tap your card,
that's not just like a

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confirmation.
You want something real money is

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left your account.
And we kind of got into that

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whole discussion of.
Well how do you get money in

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your account?
And they thought the bank just

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gave people money and I was
like, no, thanks job is to hold.

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Motorbikes money is two steps to
steal your money when they need

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it.
Failure.

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And the point, the point I was
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I wrote a really want to choose
to make this point in that,

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like, more for like their
parents at home to be like when

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you're asking for something, if
you unlike if you know how much

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you get paid per month, because
they were asking me how much I

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get paid and they were like,
I'll just tell us to step.

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Just tell us, is it over 100
pounds and I was like, I'm not

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going to tell you but all I'll
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pound because I knew they think
thousand-pound was huge.

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Yeah.
And as it's more than a A

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thousand pound every month that
I get paid to do this job.

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They were like flabbergasted,
like, oh my what?

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Like, hey, what you watching?
You get like Super Soakers every

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week.
Like, what toys?

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Oh my gosh.
And I was like, okay, but I'm

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going to, I'm going to do
something now.

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I'm going to explain to you
every single thing that comes

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out of that immediately before I
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And I was like we have to pay
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that's how why we can go to the
hospital and why the police get

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paid.
We help to pay for that kind of

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thing and then I've got to pay
my bills, you know, I live in a

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house, I've got to pay I've got
to pay back the money to buy the

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house.
I've also got to pay for

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something that we like to call
eating.

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Yes.
Like I was just doing all this

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joke is, if to say it gets, it
gets taken away by everything.

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You don't take into account,
it's not just toys and stuff.

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Yeah.
Anyway, the conversation evolved

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and I haven't had my wallet with
me that day, and I had a note,

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and I had some coins and have a
bank card, so, I got it all out.

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I've got it all out for them
and, you know, they see your

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wallet there.
Like, you've got your wall, my

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God.
Yes, this is like and I so I got

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out a 20 pound note, and I was
showing it and I grabbed some

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coins and I had my card and as I
was a different It's between me.

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What can I use them for
thinking?

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I was being like, art.
Look at me.

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I like a really Hands-On teacher
when just just dropped a stack

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of 50s.
Oh, sorry kids.

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So yeah, just there's that 7
Grand.

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Sorry, it's where it's going
because there was one kid at the

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front.
No, I didn't actually do that

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but there's one could at the
front who kind of just like set

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back in his chair and we're on
video now.

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I don't have you know, so you
can actually watch this in the

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video me acting this out.
So I know I'm going to drop out

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the mic here.
So you just sit back like this,

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right?
And it just kind of like Lisa,

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as if he was like, fed up with
me, right?

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I was like, you're right, me was
what's the matter?

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And he was like, I know what
you're doing.

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What would you think I'm doing?
You just trying to show off

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because you got the money
flexing.

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That's why he banned in my hand
and I was like, he thought of

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just showing up, okay?
I would put this back and I'm

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just go back to my smart board
of a crudely drawn Queen on my

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specimen on the boards.
If I never lit up in your bag

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where you went to the bank this
morning I got your hot the whole

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life savings out.
We don't work showing that the

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idea that I was actually trying
to show off me, just call me out

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on it.
Yeah, you can't do it.

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Now, I'm not trying to show off.
I get my phone like, cancel the

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parade until the might cancel
cancel.

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Cancel the money gun.
I'm not?

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No, no.
We're not gonna do anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, it's Kris down here.
Tell Chris countdown.

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Because impressed, just don't
play the video of me a

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millionaire.
Don't do it.

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Just don't let still pull the
plug.

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Pull the plug note.
Everyone knows you're on.

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How did I say that, by the way?
Did he ever mention that?

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Did we do mention that?
You are, Who Wants To Be A

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Millionaire?
I don't think we did, we

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probably shouldn't to the
podcast listeners because they

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might think you're showing off
by the kids, like, just have

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that kid again.
Yeah, this guy.

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Yeah, sure enough.
But shop just saying so, that's

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true.
Not shown up what you did was

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essentially what we did in my
money week.

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Basically, we talked about
budgeting expenses and

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outgoings.
Well, this is the problem.

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The, the actual learning
objective, the lesson was to

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compare amounts of money.
Which we ended up doing flat 20

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minutes again because I just, I
just felt like that was like, so

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just in the grand scheme of
things.

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Yeah, I just feel like sometimes
the conversation takes you down.

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They're so engaged in like
that's good, just learning more

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about money and like, you know,
when your parents say no, we

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can't afford that and you think
well, you get paid.

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It's like doesn't work like
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That's not how real life works.
So yeah, that was really fun.

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I wanted to bring up something.
I did an assembly to you just to

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completely undermine you because
I thought it was funny.

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So we have In our school, every
time at the minute we're doing a

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timestamp, rock star
competition, and I think it's

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like correct answers per pupil
as an average per year group

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against each other and its
really to encourage the lower

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school to kind of get on the
teacher rock stars more because

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the four times table check is
coming up and but yeah, five and

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six are kind of, you know,
getting on board as well.

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So we announced this huge, we
have this huge Trophy and Hayden

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and I worry and the year, five
knew they'd won.

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So they they kind of were like
they were coming to us.

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Assembly, like giving it the
big.

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I am.
The new it was being announced.

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They were like Whispering.
Yeah, we've won.

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We've been him.
Yeah, we smashed it.

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We came from behind and I was
talking to them and I was just

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like, you know, just egging them
up a bit because it's meant to

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be exciting, but then obviously
you're an assembly is meant to

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be quiet and teachers without
noticing what was going on which

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like, she's assembly?
Sorry, sorry.

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But I got Hayden that turned
around and had this behind me

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with this trophy in his hand,
this big listening Trophy and in

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hated starts trying to like, you
know, just be fun and with the

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kids and rather much as I hated,
hey, baby.

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Sheesh.
Yeah, but it's a star for just

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trying to get them to calm down
a bit.

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I do let's not roll them up and
they do.

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Okay.
Okay, so so I immediately

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thought of an idea to roll them
up.

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No, no, don't do this.
So I took the trophy of his hand

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staring into it cuz it's like
glistening like a mirror and

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then I just turn to your five
and I just pretend to like do my

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hair and so my hair just to make
them laugh.

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I give the trophy back to Hayden
walked out.

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I was honestly looking at your
disbelief.

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I couldn't believe that within
three seconds of you and you are

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Serious as well and I know it
has been serious because he's

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serious.
Phase comes with its own.

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Actually that's not do this
because teaches you to write

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them up immediately does it and
look at you thinking are used,

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did you really just do the
thing?

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You just told me not to do it
instantly often.

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And the thing that's worse about
this is I didn't even plan it.

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I didn't plan on was being
genuinely shit.

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Oh, I don't get the kids in
trouble when it starts writing

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that.
But then I just thought of

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something funny and I was like,
oh, that ways.

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It funny thing.
But, yeah, I like that you just

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left.
You did believe straight after

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as well, left me with it.
A group of kids waiting in my

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car.
I need to go and teach some

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apps, but yeah, those there was
one other thing from this week.

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I know it's been a long catch
up, but I thought it might just,

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you know, important to say.
And it was I thought was really

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useful and that was our staff
meeting.

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We had this week, I thought was
really good and it was just

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highlighting about mental health
and I think we always do this,

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we plant the seed for a future
episode.

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I'm going to get too deep into
it now, but it was just, it was

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just around the mental health of
our young people in the country

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and that the Outlook it just
looks quite bleak.

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I mean, I came out of it, full
of, you know, lots of cool ideas

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ways, to help children, but we
do have a bit of a mental health

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crisis in this country, don't
worry?

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Yeah, for sure.
I mean, some of the graphs we

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saw, they showed us in the
presentation, we're really

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alarming.
What they, in terms of the

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difference is even in the last
five years, I could see it was

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like, a huge spike in in
people's or self, identifying or

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being diagnosed with any kind of
sort of mental health issue.

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Yes, it was scary.
As it was like twenty percent in

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some of the fuck up member like
what the group of people it was?

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I think it was it was like,
Likely to have flat based on

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statistics and stuff because
it's so hard to get diagnosed

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because of backlogs and waiting
times, some people not coming

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forward.
It was like, best guess kind of

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thing, and it was a huge
proportion and, you know, covid

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had an impact, but I think lots
of things are calm, and I don't

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think it's as simple as to say,
well covid.

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I think that was definitely a
factor, but there's lots of

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stuff in our society.
That, you know, it's good that

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we're getting the training.
Basically is what I thought.

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I thought this is called because
there's certain things I need to

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take out of this ways to
approach children, ways of

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living Get amazing, their
emotions which we've always

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said, haven't we understand?
That's important.

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But it's and there's one
example.

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I just want to say which I know
everyone does.

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And it'd be really interesting
to hear what everyone like who's

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listening to this, then probably
say, oh I've done that before,

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which is, we think is helpful,
but it's quite harmful.

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And the example given was when a
child kind of comes up to you

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and says, Ah, I'm such an I'm so
stupid.

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I'm such an idiot.
I'm this, I'm that and they talk

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negatively about themselves.
Mmm.

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And our natural reaction is to
kind of immediately jump.

450
00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:50,900
Now, you know?
No, you're not.

451
00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:54,300
No, no, you're not, you're not.
And it was just this idea of

452
00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,100
they immediately don't feel
listened to.

453
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,800
And and there whether it's true
or not, we're not.

454
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,300
And the joke was don't agree
with them that we're not saying,

455
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,300
say, you watch it, but but I
thought the Outlook of actually,

456
00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:09,600
you need to legitimize those
thoughts and say, wow, I

457
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,900
understand what you're feeling
and that must step must be

458
00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:15,300
horrible to have those thoughts
about yourself and always ground

459
00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:16,900
something in concrete evidence
about.

460
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,800
But, you know, last last week,
actually, you are so, Helpful,

461
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,100
when these two, these two girls
needed needed.

462
00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:24,500
Someone to talk to.
You are such a good friend to

463
00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:27,000
them and I think they really
appreciated that and instead of

464
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,300
just kind of brushing off, I
don't know that stuck with you

465
00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,600
as well.
You know, funny enough.

466
00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:32,600
I'm kind of glad you said that
because I was also thinking of

467
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,000
the same example and that's
trying to put into practice, I

468
00:20:35,008 --> 00:20:38,500
was like what happens in my
classroom where maybe, I, maybe

469
00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,900
I don't give enough or the right
response to certain things and

470
00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:44,000
it really made me reflect on my
practice, like, immediately from

471
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,400
that day.
And I thought the classic is up

472
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,700
on other thing.
I reckon a lot of people

473
00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:52,400
experience is If someone is
someone that sounds really

474
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,200
awful.
But if you have a child that

475
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,200
complains quite a lot about
various minor things, like, I

476
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,700
don't wanna go outside today.
I don't want to do that.

477
00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:02,600
I don't even do that.
Oh, this person doesn't like me

478
00:21:02,608 --> 00:21:04,500
anymore, and it's like the fifth
time they've fallen out this

479
00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,600
month.
You can very quickly and easily

480
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,100
and not really realize it become
a little bit like, oh yeah,

481
00:21:09,100 --> 00:21:11,500
you'll be right?
Because because because you are,

482
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,900
this happens all the time and
actually probably we shouldn't

483
00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,900
do that.
We should actually legitimize it

484
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:18,100
and talk them through every
single time genuinely.

485
00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:19,300
I actually think we should do.
Have that?

486
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,400
At time and it made me think I
was like, yeah, I reckon I've

487
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,300
done that in the last week or
two I reckon someone has come up

488
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:26,400
to me and I've dismissed it a
bit more than I should have

489
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,200
thinking.
Are they?

490
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,000
You know, they always find, they
will sort this thing out.

491
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,400
So no actually stop for a second
and go.

492
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,900
Oh, you're feeling like, that's
interesting.

493
00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:34,800
You you felt like this again,
you felt like this a few times

494
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,800
recently, haven't you?
I'm really sorry you're feeling

495
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,000
that way, that must stop my
suck.

496
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,500
Like, I wonder, we can what we
can do to try and help that

497
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:42,800
rather than just our you'll be.
All right, go on, go outside the

498
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,000
city.
The classic response to

499
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,900
anything?
You'll be a cool guy.

500
00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,100
So I guess a fresh air you'll be
right get-go.

501
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,200
Every towel on it.
I'm sorry.

502
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,400
I said I feel sad when Talent is
true when I was younger.

503
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,000
I had the same kind of, you
know, when you're younger and

504
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,500
you're forming your opinions and
I think when you're like a late

505
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:02,200
teens early early, like
adulthood, it's really easy to

506
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200
jump on, like, you know, those
slogans like I'm thinking of

507
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,300
things like immigration.
It's very easy to, but that's

508
00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:08,300
wrong.
Okay.

509
00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,800
And like, when you see like
these commentators say, no, it's

510
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,800
wrong, it's don't do that.
I think, when you're young it,

511
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,400
you can latch onto something
without thinking too deeply

512
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,200
about it.
And the one thing that always

513
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,400
sticks with me surrounding me.
Mental health is I remember when

514
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,100
I changed my mind on this, and I
just kind of felt like I became

515
00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:27,200
more mature.
Was there was a lot of kind of

516
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,800
talk around mental health issues
back.

517
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,400
Then, there was, they weren't
talked about as much as they are

518
00:22:30,408 --> 00:22:33,100
today even 10 years ago, but
they were like, starting to

519
00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:36,500
become legitimised and I
remember someone said something

520
00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:39,000
about our there, just
attention-seeking, you know,

521
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,100
when they, when they say like,
oh this, oh, that owe me.

522
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,200
It's very easy to be like, oh,
you just seeking some attention

523
00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:48,800
and I remember the day that my
thought on that switched and it

524
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,500
and it To thinking.
Okay.

525
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,300
So yeah, like that, that was,
that was so.

526
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,200
So what?
Like okay, so there's two

527
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,200
options here they're just
they're just seeking attention

528
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,000
and I'm going to give it to
them.

529
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:04,600
And oh, aren't I have fool for
falling into the Trap and giving

530
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,300
them attention no harm done?
Yeah, or they really do need

531
00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:09,800
attention there.
They're seriously in a

532
00:23:09,808 --> 00:23:13,200
conundrum, they get that
attention they need and their

533
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,900
helped and it's like cool that
is without doubt better than the

534
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:19,200
other option which is I just
assumed they don't need it.

535
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,900
It and they need help and they
don't get it.

536
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:23,000
It's like cool.
Give everyone that helped and

537
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,600
attention.
We're going to catch the people

538
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,400
who need it.
Some people who don't need it.

539
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,900
Got it.
And all they've got a bit of

540
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:29,000
attention.
They were craving.

541
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:29,700
Yeah.
Cool.

542
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,400
That's better though, isn't it?
That that is better than the

543
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,900
other option of our, they're
just all speaking Italian.

544
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:36,900
Yeah it's all rubbish in it and
those people go through the

545
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:37,800
state for the net.
Yeah.

546
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,800
And assuming that they don't
know, one needs help and no one

547
00:23:39,808 --> 00:23:42,300
gets any help.
We have this toxic culture form.

548
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:44,000
Where are stiff upper lip?
Everyone don't tell you about

549
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,800
your problems because you just
attention-seeking.

550
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,300
I agree.
I do find it weird that

551
00:23:47,308 --> 00:23:49,200
attention-seeking even has a
negative connotation.

552
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,400
Doesn't it?
It sounds like a bad thing.

553
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,200
I'm conditioned to think that's
a bad thing.

554
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,900
Attention seeking that literally
sounds like a negative thing to

555
00:23:56,900 --> 00:24:00,400
me, it's mad, is that why is
that - they need some attention?

556
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,300
Like what mad fish went about
children is all I wanted to say,

557
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:07,800
like, you know, there's so the
developing so much emotionally

558
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,200
hormone development and things.
Yeah.

559
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,400
Okay.
It might be annoying and they

560
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,100
might be, they might be seeking
attention.

561
00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:15,700
Cool.
Yeah.

562
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,000
Give it to them.
Oh yeah, just give them the

563
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,200
attention.
So there.

564
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,900
There was one other stat that I
thought was interesting in are

565
00:24:21,908 --> 00:24:23,600
trying to get your thoughts on
it, really?

566
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,300
If I don't, if you noticed it in
the in the training but it was

567
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:31,400
that it was a status code across
three years.

568
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,000
Hello?
Sorry.

569
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,700
Three age groups.
That's what it was.

570
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,600
It was like really early
children like teenagers and then

571
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:40,200
late teens, which are 16 to 18,
and it showed that whole, like

572
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,200
likely to have mental health
problems or issues.

573
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:47,800
And I thought it was so
interesting how the boys bar

574
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,500
Started fairly high and it was
higher than the girls bar in

575
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:54,900
young, like primary school age,
just slightly higher than the

576
00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,100
girls bar.
And then when it got to the

577
00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:01,300
teenage years, the boys bar was
basically the exact same size

578
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:03,200
and the girls bar had like
nearly doubled.

579
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,300
And then when it got to 16 to
18, the girls bar was like,

580
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:08,900
astronomically High.
And the boys went down, it was

581
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:11,300
like, what?
It was like a fifth, the size of

582
00:25:11,308 --> 00:25:14,400
the girls bar, and I was just
like, I can't believe there is

583
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,300
that much difference in, in the
genders, you know?

584
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:19,300
I mean, and how the boys have
gone down over Time that there's

585
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,900
generally less mental health
issues, in the girls had rapidly

586
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:25,100
gone up in primary school.
I just, I don't know if you had

587
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:26,900
any thoughts about that, or
notice that yourself?

588
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,500
Now, I did, I did notice it, and
he kind of referenced it again,

589
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:32,600
and I think there's multiple
things you can point to here.

590
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,200
And the number one thing he was
talking about is, how in general

591
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:40,400
Women's Health tends to be
diagnosed later, it on nearly

592
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,400
every respect.
Like, it tends to be much later

593
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,000
on down the line.
If you think about ASD

594
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,700
diagnosis, has ADHD, you think
about the Preschool setting it's

595
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:52,400
so heavily weighted towards boys
getting a diagnosis for that.

596
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,000
Right?
Yeah.

597
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,200
And I think girls tend to get
diagnosis for that kind of thing

598
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,100
later on.
I think it's the same kind of

599
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:01,100
idea of it.
You know, they can kind of cope

600
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:02,500
with it.
Early slip through the net, a

601
00:26:02,508 --> 00:26:05,500
lot of attention goes on to boys
and then later on and you gotta

602
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:09,600
think with young women as well.
Obviously starting to go through

603
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,600
changes and stuff as they go
through their age Gap.

604
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,400
No expert on this but he kind of
touched on it a bit and said,

605
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,100
there are various reasons for
this.

606
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,500
It's just crazy, isn't it in
this world?

607
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:22,400
Are, you know, we are very much
conditioned to because of the

608
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,400
right for you, no charge for
equality and making sure

609
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,600
everything equal opportunities.
Making sure everyone has the

610
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,500
same kind of, you know, rights
and things like that.

611
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:36,000
Which is so important that it
does kind of juxtapose to this

612
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,000
this idea sometimes with some
stats are so split by gender,

613
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,900
like call.
We need all of this.

614
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,500
We need all this quality and
stuff, but there are Stark

615
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,800
differences in the needs and the
outcomes for different genders

616
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,000
still now So we still need to
address them.

617
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,500
Yeah, no, that's cool.
It was, I found it.

618
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,900
Yeah, super interesting.
And I'm definitely gonna be a

619
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,700
lot more aware of it.
I think it's cool and

620
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:59,700
particularly aware of that that
stat with the girls and boys.

621
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,600
I just, I don't know, I don't
know what it's gonna do to me,

622
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,800
but I'm but I'm more aware of it
now, shall we?

623
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,200
Give the viewers and the
listeners, a little break,

624
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:09,900
through the jungle, like it like
that.

625
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:11,600
You know, they do the usual go
get a Cuppa.

626
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:14,600
So each we do not think that,
that we do where we do the same

627
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,400
joke for six episodes in a row,
actually, become bored a bit,

628
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,700
never mention it again, but I
the prefix, we do that with

629
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:22,900
which story.
Okay.

630
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:25,200
Yeah, jingle time, guys.
Go and grab a drink.

631
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Alright, now we've actually just
ended up doing the mental

632
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,400
episode future as we're talking
about it for ages.

633
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,200
Let's go into the bulk of this
one.

634
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,900
You all clicked on this episode.
I by the way, very quickly last

635
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:41,600
week and a few weeks before
Hayden sometimes there's like

636
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,900
all don't wanna spoil what we're
talking about, guys, keep in

637
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,000
touch.
They've clicked the episode

638
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,900
mate, it's in the title 19
around.

639
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,400
I knew that Dan and I just
didn't want to talk about the

640
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,200
content early on our side.
Anyway, you've clicked on it.

641
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,000
We're half an hour into I meant
I've helped podcast episode

642
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,100
which is called residential so I
supposed to talk about the

643
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,100
residential you won't, you went
on one last week, Hayden.

644
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,000
I'm going to throw it straight
over to you, obviously,

645
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,800
residential's huge part of a
kid's development.

646
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,000
I think every person in the
country, remember their Primary

647
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,000
School develop, Primary School
residential trip like really

648
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,100
formative memories for them.
Really like big steps, you know,

649
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,400
overcoming fears, hey into
having a thing happened when you

650
00:28:20,408 --> 00:28:22,300
went well, they all remember
something.

651
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,600
They'll remember the day that I
got noticed.

652
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800
I got recognized.
What you mean the most important

653
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,500
thing that happened there all
about me.

654
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,400
I was selfish, but something
cool.

655
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,700
That happened was wait.
Is this actually about you?

656
00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:44,400
Yeah, it's actually about me.
I knew you'd take the mixer

657
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,100
going.
There we go, go ahead.

658
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,400
All right, so I'm not even Jack.
This is so cool.

659
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400
I feel famous, right?
I was standing in the little

660
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,300
playground area where we all
star lineup and meet the next

661
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,300
instructor for the thing.
And I Random child from another

662
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:57,600
school.
Came out to me.

663
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,300
I thought maybe that an issue,
maybe there's something happened

664
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,000
with one of our children or
something and said, excuse me

665
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,500
really polite.
Excuse me.

666
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,200
And I are you okay if hello did
not knowing who this child was

667
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,800
at all?
He said, are you do I recognize

668
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,900
you from Top Dog and my face lit
up?

669
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:19,700
I was like yeah you do how and I
was just like flabbergasted

670
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:23,200
there's some random person top
fan obviously had had

671
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,400
recognized.
You seen me across the

672
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,800
playground I thought Is that
guy?

673
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,100
I've watched their YouTube
videos that unbelievable.

674
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,200
So there you go.
It's amazing first time.

675
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,400
So for those that don't know.
Yeah, it says it in the bottom

676
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,300
left corner of our podcast.
But we have we, you know, we run

677
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,700
the company Tata title podcast,
title, yet.

678
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:41,700
Podcast podcast, thumbnail
podcast thumbnail.

679
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:42,700
Yeah.
Thanks for interrupting with the

680
00:29:42,708 --> 00:29:45,700
wrong.
Don't answer, don't you touring?

681
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:48,100
And we make YouTube videos for
children is not possible to talk

682
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,300
about that again, in the future.
But yeah, I recognized you

683
00:29:50,308 --> 00:29:52,200
recognize me from it.
So I felt quite famous and the

684
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,500
kids from our school, a lot of
them like words, Kind of

685
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,200
earwigging, obviously, and saw
that I was talking to her

686
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,600
another run, some random child
and they were like, getting

687
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,900
getting Territorial and
defensive.

688
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:01,700
Yeah.
Yeah.

689
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:02,400
Yeah.
Ready ready?

690
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,800
Ready to fight for their
teacher?

691
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,900
And they were like, hey, when I
came back over and one of them

692
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,800
came, a big pat on the back and
was like, really miss is Divas

693
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,000
in the presence of a famous.
Man having me, Chris is one kid

694
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,800
that's seen our videos and and
that was the highlight for

695
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,100
everyone.
Oh yeah for sure.

696
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,500
Yeah.
Forget like kids conquering

697
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:23,900
their abseiling fears or
anything?

698
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,500
Yeah a guy recognized me from
YouTube people.

699
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,000
Yeah yeah I can I see this is so
sad.

700
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,900
And again if you don't have
children you'll be like what

701
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:33,900
really is this anything but any
teachers will know how much more

702
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:34,500
win.
This is.

703
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:38,200
I can honestly say every single
child that we took, which was

704
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:45,200
like Fifty four kids, ate their
food without any trouble, every

705
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,100
lunch and dinner time, no one
had any problems.

706
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:52,200
They all just got food.
Sat down and ate it all and it

707
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400
was amazing because that never
happened that ladies and

708
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,500
gentlemen, is the bar that we
set our children.

709
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,700
If you've got a, if it doesn't
happen, you know, there's a

710
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,200
food, you know this.
If you're listening to this

711
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,800
you're thinking why are you
know, there's always but I can't

712
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,700
eat any of this or I feel sick.
I don't have any of that or

713
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,200
someone refuses.
Amazing.

714
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,300
And the second best bit actually
this is the best bit.

715
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,700
That was the second best bit.
They all went to sleep.

716
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,300
They all hold my goodness.
Went to sleep our children, ate,

717
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,700
and slept ate, and teacher of
the year slept.

718
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,700
Okay?
We always joking, reside

719
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:24,500
ourselves, huge that when you
were you on a residential last

720
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,800
year and we do we know where we
prepare ourselves mentally as

721
00:31:26,808 --> 00:31:29,100
teachers, like, we're going to
be able to am because the

722
00:31:29,108 --> 00:31:31,700
children are just going to be
just constantly annoying and up

723
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,600
and excited, which I'm all for,
by the way.

724
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,900
I actually like I love that the
children do it because it's

725
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,500
often their first experience
remotely if I doing in something

726
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,500
like this, so I'm like, yeah,
whatever, you know, there's got

727
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,000
to be boundaries, but This is
the time to let them have a

728
00:31:43,008 --> 00:31:45,300
little bit of fun, you know.
But they weren't absolute was

729
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:47,300
like it got like 11 p.m. and we
were sort of sat in the

730
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:49,300
corridors thinking, right?
When we better go and check and

731
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,200
everyone was asleep both nights
and I was like oh this is bliss.

732
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,000
This is bliss.
So yeah, great I had a great

733
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,100
time.
So I mean what a residential

734
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:00,900
trip you've got noticed.
And the kids ate and slept.

735
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:02,000
Yeah.
I mean yeah.

736
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Oh they did do some activities
in the middle as well.

737
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,900
They were good to yeah.
But other than that is a symptom

738
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,300
like like, you know, like real
like team bonding like about is

739
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:13,900
that comes That data is but
sleep early.

740
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,600
No, it's tea party.
So congratulations.

741
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Congratulations.
Big.

742
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,900
I just thought that we could
like kind of expand on this a

743
00:32:20,908 --> 00:32:22,800
little bit more and just talk
about residential's in general

744
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,700
because they are unbelievably
like important, right?

745
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:29,200
I think there's no doubt about
that unbelievably important.

746
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,900
But as always, in this podcast,
we like to talk about the things

747
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:34,600
that slightly annoyed sometimes,
so I'm going to dive straight

748
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,700
in.
Oh yeah, no complain about

749
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,200
something Domo mildly
inconvenient, love it.

750
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800
For the first time the other
day, by the way, someone said,

751
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,800
oh yeah, it's making me question
my, whether I'm going in the

752
00:32:46,808 --> 00:32:49,800
right career or not, and I'm so
awful, I felt awful.

753
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,100
But the context was that she'd
kind of come to the Cod crossed

754
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:56,000
a bit later, might be listen to
this right now, Color cast and

755
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
the kodkod class because I can't
talk properly for more than 10

756
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,800
words and arrived.
So obviously I got that one

757
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,700
right on the podcast.
And she was up to I think that's

758
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:07,400
just finished episode 7 and 8
and I think that's what we kind

759
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,700
of realized that it might be
coming across it Moni and I

760
00:33:10,708 --> 00:33:13,000
think episode 10, Is like our
favorite Primary School memories

761
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,400
ever.
Yeah, so I was just like, oh,

762
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,300
keep going because I think we do
realize this and we get very

763
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:22,000
much more purposely positive.
But anyway, lost track of what I

764
00:33:22,008 --> 00:33:25,400
was saying now, it's going back
to the residential and I think

765
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,800
it's, I think it's such a good
thing for the children, but I've

766
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:35,500
got to come in with something.
I see consistently which is that

767
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:38,700
if you happen to be put in the
year group, in which the

768
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,700
residential happens, sometimes
here, for some 06 all the time.

769
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:46,300
No I'm showing other schools.
You know any point the

770
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:51,500
expectation there for to go on
the residential trip as if it's

771
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,200
not hours and hours of extra
work that you're just expected

772
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,500
to do because you're literally
leaving your house and going and

773
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,200
and staying and facilitating a
holiday for your children.

774
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,400
Yeah, this really splits
teachers.

775
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,800
I think teachers right now very
heavily towards workloads to hi.

776
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,199
It's unacceptable.
That's why there's so many

777
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,400
strikes but this is a real
leveler.

778
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:13,199
I see a lot of people Arguing
say no, this really is, you

779
00:34:13,207 --> 00:34:15,500
know, it's for the children.
It's part of the job.

780
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:18,400
You should just do it.
What are your thoughts on the

781
00:34:18,408 --> 00:34:20,400
whole situation of just kind of
the expectation?

782
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:22,699
Well, I'll just say firstly.
I've been very fortunate in my

783
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:24,900
career to have never experienced
that pressure.

784
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:27,100
So the school's I've worked and
I've been on I've been on

785
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:30,300
residential of all the schools
I've worked at and not once have

786
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,300
I felt like it was an
expectation of me to go.

787
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,800
It is always been very much or
will you know in a question

788
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,800
which is really nice.
So clearly a lot of schools are

789
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,199
doing it right.
But I agree and I have seen and

790
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,400
we I think we've even seen maybe
the Online discussion, where low

791
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,100
the teachers were pitching in
with their opinions.

792
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:49,699
On this, my personal opinion is
that, of course, it should not

793
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:53,000
be an expectation.
Like you said, some residents

794
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
was a five days long, we saw
teachers there that were like,

795
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,100
yeah, we're on day four and I
was thinking Christ day for like

796
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,300
three days.
Feels a lot like a long time to

797
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:03,800
be away from home and basically
working 24 hours a day.

798
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,500
You know, that obviously even
when you're sleeping, you can be

799
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:08,500
woken up by the children that
need things, you have to be

800
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,600
ready.
So you are working the whole

801
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,100
time.
So That reason, I think it's

802
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:14,800
ludicrous.
If there are any schools out

803
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,400
there or any members of SRT that
may be organized a trip that

804
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,000
actually expect their teachers
to go on it without, you know,

805
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,500
asking them essentially because
it's just, it's just mad.

806
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:27,400
And I know there's lots of
teachers as well and place

807
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:32,000
positions where they just can't
they just can't they have life

808
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200
commitments.
Perhaps they're a carer or they

809
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,200
have like animals and things to
look after and they just can't

810
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,400
like, it might cost them loads
of money to permits.

811
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,500
Put the animals in kennels or
something like hot dogs.

812
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,200
It's just it's not fair to say.
Oh no.

813
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,000
Yeah, but you're in your 60s.
You got to say okay, well it's

814
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,100
still just a job like, okay?
Take the three teacher.

815
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:55,700
Why is that different?
Yeah, and at what really there

816
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,300
was one point, there are certain
points, I get when people are

817
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:00,400
like you know it's such an
important thing for the kids

818
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,300
schools have to make it happen
actually agree with that.

819
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,500
I think schools should do what
they can to make it happen.

820
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:06,800
Even if it means like you said,
taking a teacher from a

821
00:36:06,808 --> 00:36:08,500
different year.
Group who can do it or wants to

822
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:11,100
do it and then duck shifting
around your staff for the week

823
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:15,700
like I That's absolutely fine.
But you know, the idea of, you

824
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:17,400
know, you're expected to do
something.

825
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:21,100
I just really, really don't like
it because especially when

826
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,700
there's nothing given in kind of
Lu, let's say in low days and

827
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,200
then yes, that was it.
That was the discussion point.

828
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:31,400
It was someone said couch.
It should, I should I went on

829
00:36:31,408 --> 00:36:33,300
the kit I went on a residential
trip.

830
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,500
Should I be expected to get a
day in low back and that was the

831
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:38,500
argument.
People haven't, sorry, exactly.

832
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:40,200
And the no, no, that was that
was exactly it.

833
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,800
And but the response to Is that
I really didn't like was it was

834
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,300
almost condescending and it was
kind of like, well, you know,

835
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:48,600
it's part of the role of being a
teaching or wider

836
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
responsibilities.
We have an obligation to do this

837
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,700
and someone made the point.
Now at that another point was

838
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:57,200
and it's really fun.
They were like oh it's fine,

839
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,200
it's really fun.
Like but why not just go and do

840
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,400
it is such a great experience
and I wanted to just reply.

841
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,400
I can't remember, I did, I think
I just stayed out because it was

842
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,800
like one of those classic
hundreds of comments threads as

843
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,400
like there's not get involved
and but what is replying to say?

844
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:16,200
So at what point does it become
irrelevant relevant of how fun

845
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,000
the job is like it's a job,
right?

846
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,500
It's a job.
It's a job.

847
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,900
We are away on work 24/7,
looking after the kit.

848
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:25,300
Yeah, it's fun.
Does that mean I suddenly don't

849
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:28,500
get paid or am expect that to
Triple my hours for no reason.

850
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,300
It's irrelevant that person is
going to be shocked when they

851
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,900
find out the staff that work at
the residential actually get

852
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,900
paid as well.
They don't just do it brings

853
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:36,400
fun.
Wait, what?

854
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,700
It's fun though?
It's like cool fun will pay.

855
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:42,600
My bills fan will mean that the
the You know, the things I have

856
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,700
to change in my life for that
week to go away and

857
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,300
presidential.
It just would never happen,

858
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:49,300
right?
You'd get compensated, I just

859
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,100
don't understand this Outlook
that we have, it's lovely,

860
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,400
right?
And it's that classic thing.

861
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,700
We always say of when someone in
the school goes above and

862
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,900
beyond, who are we to put them
down for doing that like that?

863
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:01,200
And that's lovely.
If they if they want to do an

864
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,700
after school club or before
school club for no money because

865
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:04,900
they're passionate about
something.

866
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,700
It's a passion project, they
want to get the kids involved

867
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:09,300
in.
Like, you know, it might be like

868
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,400
a science club that they just
got this love for.

869
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,700
That should never be put down.
I really hate the attitude of

870
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,100
saying, oh, don't go extra
because then we all have to go

871
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:21,400
extra that, don't do that.
But equally when that's used as

872
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600
something against someone, it's
so toxic is horrible.

873
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,300
It's like, well, you know, every
other year or the year, six

874
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,600
staff have gone cool and and
they want to do it for free.

875
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,600
Nice one.
Yeah, I don't.

876
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,900
Yeah, I'm not going to I know.
And that's, that's the thing.

877
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:36,900
Isn't people.
Often said to me in my career

878
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,000
I've heard it from multiple
experience people over time,

879
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:43,900
which is that It is nice when
people do things that are above

880
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,100
and beyond the contract.
And what we need to do, you

881
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:47,800
know, about what we require to
do.

882
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,100
But when it sets a new
precedent, then it's a problem

883
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:55,000
and and unfortunately, we're
human beings.

884
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,100
It does tend to do that.
So I do understand why people

885
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,900
say, you know, you know, people
get annoyed at people that go

886
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,700
above and beyond.
I do actually get that because

887
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:05,100
maybe they've just experienced
in their career are, you know,

888
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,700
every other time that's
happened, a new president, slips

889
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,600
in and now that's the new
standard and suddenly everyone's

890
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,900
workloads higher.
Just passively because enough

891
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:16,000
people did this free thing.
So I think we have to really,

892
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,300
really care for that in this
career.

893
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,400
A career.
That's probably exclusively got

894
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,800
the state.
It's in because of people's

895
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,300
Goodwill just being taken
advantage of and then becoming

896
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,400
expectation over time.
So it's a really hard one isn't

897
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,800
because like you said, are you
clearly don't want to put those

898
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,300
people down because they're
passionate and they're doing

899
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,700
something amazing.
So, where is the line?

900
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:38,300
Where's the middle ground of?
I think to me, the middle ground

901
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:42,000
in that situation, is allowing
that to happen and especially

902
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,200
thinking, from a leadership
position of of, absolutely

903
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,900
loving someone doing that.
Imagine being a leader and

904
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,600
putting someone down for going.
The extra mile.

905
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,300
You like, put going extra miles,
amazing.

906
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,500
I think that the middle ground
is leadership making it

907
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,400
abundantly clear that this
person is going out of their way

908
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
to do this and it is absolutely
not the expectation and I

909
00:40:00,008 --> 00:40:01,600
absolutely want to put on
record.

910
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,700
Don't just assume this put on
record that yet.

911
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:05,400
It's amazing.
They've done.

912
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,800
So, I'm praising them, but I do
not think any less of the job

913
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,700
anyone else is doing.
Yeah.

914
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,800
That's like that's it, isn't it?
I think praising them is good

915
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,600
but it doesn't have to be
praising them and then suddenly

916
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,800
thinking, oh, you're not up to a
stand.

917
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,900
That it's praise that person and
then praise the rest of them.

918
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:20,500
Something else they're doing
really well because we all go

919
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:21,600
above and beyond in different
ways.

920
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,500
I think you're right.
That's it.

921
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:24,000
That's you've nailed it on the
head leadership.

922
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,900
It has to be done.
It has to be leadership taking

923
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:29,500
control of that situation.
So, another thing I want to talk

924
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,900
about with residential's, it's
bit more like more weighted

925
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:35,300
towards kind of families and
children, now, rather than sort

926
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:39,800
each, Teachers and staff is a
constant problem across again.

927
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,100
Across my career is that it
costs a lot of money, and I

928
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:47,300
always feel a bit rubbish.
I always do this, is little bit

929
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,100
of guilt in me, because not all
the children can come and I hate

930
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,800
that.
I hate that because it's okay,

931
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,600
of course, it costs money, like,
it can't be free.

932
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,100
It just with it, you know, it's
not going to work like that, but

933
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,700
I really, really, really, really
hate that.

934
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,800
There are latino children every
year that can't come and I know,

935
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,900
I just know that the only reason
they're not coming.

936
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:05,400
It's because the family kind of
thought.

937
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,100
To send them on that trip.
That just, I don't know it.

938
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,500
I don't really I don't know what
I say about it, but it's just

939
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:13,700
one of those things I want to
highlight and I don't know if

940
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:15,200
you've got anything to say on
that topic.

941
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:17,700
You just you just showing your
human right.

942
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:20,700
That's simple as that.
And it is that it's this, it's

943
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:24,200
this its life, it is life, its
this world, we live in.

944
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:27,400
It's this, you know, let's go
meted out.

945
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,100
It's capitalism.
Like, it is the world we live in

946
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,900
and the problem is from our
point of view is we work in

947
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:36,500
state schools, right?
Where, it's Everyone comes to a

948
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:40,300
state school, no matter their
background and they get the the

949
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,900
input and the education that
they deserve of the highest

950
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:44,500
standard that we could possibly
give them.

951
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:48,900
And you know that we have pupil
premium funding in schools to

952
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:51,200
help those disadvantaged to give
them extra steps.

953
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,800
Give them extra help to kind of
try and bridge that Gap because

954
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,800
there is not only the Gap in
what you're saying there.

955
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,400
In terms of experiences like the
trip, there's the gap which

956
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,200
comes with being less well-off
on the whole is attainment.

957
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Slow That is a fact that's why
we have this pupil premium fun.

958
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,700
So, there's always that Gap.
And as teachers we're all

959
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,700
passionate about trying to close
that Gap, as much as possible to

960
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:16,700
try and help social Mobility.
No one wants the fact that

961
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:20,600
there, you know, their parents,
you know, wealth to negatively

962
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,300
impact them.
And it's almost the same kind of

963
00:42:23,308 --> 00:42:24,900
logic as what we just talked
about.

964
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,500
If someone is from a wealthy
background, I also don't like

965
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,800
the idea of holding them back
because it tastes like it leaves

966
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,600
a bad taste in the mouth.
Okay?

967
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:38,300
I don't want to Kind of hold
people back from excelling but

968
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:41,000
I'm really really really
passionate about not letting

969
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,300
people dip because of their yeah
lack that wealth inequalities.

970
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,700
Yeah, I think that's really
important and we're always

971
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,100
trying to bridge that Gap.
We're trying to close that Gap

972
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,000
and as Society becomes less and
less equal that gaps going to

973
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,800
get bigger and bigger.
And you know what you're saying,

974
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,000
is One symptom of that, where we
work in a state school, where we

975
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,900
provide everyone with an equal
education apart from, by the

976
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:06,800
way, this really important
social Social aspect which like

977
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
molds you as a person and you
get to go away from home for the

978
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,500
first time and yeah you learn is
that apart from that.

979
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,800
You can't get that, sorry,
because you can't afford it.

980
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,700
And that that is just, it's,
it's just from our point of view

981
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:20,500
is Teachers, that's always going
to sit badly.

982
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:22,500
Because over the years, I know,
there are other children.

983
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,700
I can just think of in my head
now that I know, haven't come on

984
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:26,900
the trips over the years who I
just think God, they would have

985
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:30,600
benefited so much socially from
that trip and they didn't get to

986
00:43:30,607 --> 00:43:32,200
come.
But the two things that I've

987
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
experienced that the schools
have done because obviously I

988
00:43:34,408 --> 00:43:35,400
like I said, I've worked in
different.

989
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,700
Schools.
I've had residential's are as

990
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:39,500
follows, and I think they're
really a pretty decent work

991
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:41,700
around to be fair.
So one school, I worked at one

992
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:43,900
year.
We had a really, really high

993
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,900
percentage of people premium
children at the school at that

994
00:43:46,908 --> 00:43:50,500
time and we were able to
allocate the funding to

995
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:53,000
basically pull together enough
money that they could all go.

996
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,300
And a lot of that came from
pupil pupil premium funding

997
00:43:56,300 --> 00:44:00,300
which is and it just it just
worked out and I are so pleased

998
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:01,800
because everyone got to come on
the trip.

999
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,000
So that was like a dream
situation but typically Happens.

1000
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:07,400
And it happened this year with
us.

1001
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,800
When children don't come, is the
children, stay behind equally,

1002
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,000
do something fun and adventurous
and I must say, the teacher in

1003
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,200
our group, who stay behind this
year, went to so much effort, to

1004
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,700
genuinely put on an apt and
actually amazing few days for

1005
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,000
the children, stay behind.
So the point where so I was

1006
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,900
actually worried that some
children will be like we're

1007
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:31,700
coming on the trip but will be.
It'll be like, can I stay?

1008
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Because that sounds really good.
They had such a good time like

1009
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,500
they, like They went outside and
did lots of activities and team

1010
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:40,000
building stuff and and they also
got to go on like a little

1011
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Cinema trip.
You just felt that it was like

1012
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,600
they had and I'm so glad and it
makes me feel so much better,

1013
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,800
that they actually did have a
good time and they weren't just

1014
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,500
out of school thinking, I wish I
was on that trip.

1015
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:56,800
Yeah, you know, and how much so
much of our job is like I think

1016
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,100
I think it's underestimated and
I underestimated in myself how

1017
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,600
much of like an emotional toll
things have because it like, it

1018
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,900
does really emotionally affect
me seeing in a quality, like, in

1019
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:14,400
front of me, mmm, and I it makes
me feel horrible that I'm so

1020
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,100
powerless and I think that's
what makes me feel so

1021
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,000
passionate.
Like, you know what, I'm like

1022
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,800
Hayden in terms of political,
like, my political Outlook.

1023
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,700
I'm quite outspoken and I love
talking about it and I'm very

1024
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,000
passionate about these things
because because I literally see

1025
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,800
it in front of me.
And I think every school teacher

1026
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,600
can say, the same thing that we
get to see such a cross-section

1027
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,700
of society and they'll be some
schools in affluent areas some

1028
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:41,000
school, in poor areas, but most
schools, you'll see a cross

1029
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,600
section of a Every background
you can and you see some

1030
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,700
children in your class who you
make such a bond with that.

1031
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:54,500
You try so hard to make such an
impact on their lives and you

1032
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,500
love these kids.
By the time, you know, after a

1033
00:45:56,508 --> 00:45:59,800
few months you make such a bond
with them and but it's so

1034
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:04,000
emotionally wrenching when you
just make that realization that

1035
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
there's only so much you can do
because of the social structures

1036
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,400
and the social limitations on
their background and you know

1037
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,400
where they've come from.
And you've, you're putting,

1038
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,500
you're applying Band-Aid
sometimes you're like, just

1039
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,700
trying to get them through and
you want the best for them.

1040
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,800
And it's so frustrating when
that has to come from structures

1041
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:26,100
that you don't have control
over, like social care and

1042
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:30,000
education as a whole and it
that's where my passion comes

1043
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
from.
It's like these are the most

1044
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,400
disadvantaged kids in the
country.

1045
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,700
I don't care.
I will argue to the hill that

1046
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,300
it's a relevant, their parents
situation, and whether they do

1047
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,200
you think they deserve, It or
not.

1048
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,200
There's a kid here.
There is a literal child here

1049
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,800
and it's the kind of argument
that makes me think of course

1050
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,300
School dinners need to be free
for children.

1051
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,900
They are children who need to
eat food and that's one way as a

1052
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:59,000
society that we could just make
sure they get one good meal a

1053
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,800
day.
Is that like too much to ask

1054
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,400
really that as a society, we can
club together to feed our kids

1055
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,500
and if you don't want to take
that up because you're wealthier

1056
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:10,100
or you want to have your own
fine do that then.

1057
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,900
But like, but oh no, someone got
a free dinner and their parents

1058
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:17,800
might have afford it, get over
yourself, give the kids food.

1059
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,300
Like it it just gets simple as
that for me.

1060
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,200
And this is small things we can
do.

1061
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,300
And I'm going on the right now
because it does, it does really

1062
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,100
affect me.
It does really affect me when I

1063
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:32,400
see such unfairness and I'm so
passionate about trying to make

1064
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,000
a difference, but I only know,
there's only so far, one person

1065
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,700
can go and like, an
individualistic time.

1066
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,800
We need like wholesale change.
I feel like I might have rolled

1067
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,500
you up.
By telling you that obviously

1068
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,200
not all the children are school.
Got to witness me being

1069
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,400
recognized.
So I apologize it if that's a

1070
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,900
major step because I understand
that obviously that was it would

1071
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:52,700
have been a huge life-changing
moment for our children are not

1072
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:55,300
and that is social injustice.
That's social injustice at its

1073
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,700
heart.
I know we need more kids seeing

1074
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,300
teachers getting recognized for
YouTube videos.

1075
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:01,200
Yeah yeah.
So I do apologize for writing

1076
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,100
about them but I think it's time
to move on.

1077
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,200
We've got one final section
before we leave, you lovely

1078
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,600
viewers and listeners today and
today we've got a little bit of

1079
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:14,900
toxicity in schools.
But before we do that though, I

1080
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:18,300
know before we do that, Dylan,
you're going to come in and plug

1081
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:20,400
all of our channels and stuff,
guys.

1082
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,800
Plz I'm going to be really quick
and to the point today, okay,

1083
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,000
which is hard with the length I
usernames by am, can you please

1084
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,100
give us a review on Spotify?
It really helps us.

1085
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,100
Illegitimate has us.
It's going to help us get more

1086
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:33,500
guests on the show.
I say more guests because we

1087
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:37,000
have three guests lineup.
We have three guests coming on

1088
00:48:37,008 --> 00:48:39,600
the podcast in the next few
months, so watch out for them.

1089
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,900
Please give us a review.
Please share it with your

1090
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:43,000
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1091
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,200
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1092
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,200
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1093
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,900
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1094
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:53,500
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1095
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,000
week.
Hayden back to you guys, as you

1096
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,900
can tell, you know, Dylan loves
having a bit of a rant, a rant,

1097
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:02,600
as he calls it.
So, I thought, what better ways,

1098
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,100
when this podcast and with a bit
of toxicity in schools, Actually

1099
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:07,700
Dylan I think this will spark a
nice conversation.

1100
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:10,600
So I'm going to read to you
something that as always, I've

1101
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,500
read on a forum and I thought
well, that's interesting.

1102
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,200
Interesting opinion moment
before you start, I'll just get

1103
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,500
my blood pressure monitor,
ready?

1104
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:20,200
Yeah.
I've also just realized it

1105
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,000
wearing it under the T-shirt, I
love that, by the way go and

1106
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,300
check out our earlier episodes.
If you have no idea what Dylan's

1107
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:28,200
t-shirt means, it's taking them
right back out of Wreck.

1108
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,000
It Ralph ready.
If you know what I mean when I

1109
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,900
say Wreck-It Ralph, then you are
an OG G listener.

1110
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:36,100
But you ready for this, telling
you gonna get You're gonna get

1111
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:40,500
all understand riled up.
This person said I work mornings

1112
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:42,000
every day.
No point for contracts.

1113
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,400
Quite common.
Okay, goddess are annoying.

1114
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,700
Try to get me.
Riled up already.

1115
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,500
You haven't done that, but yeah,
me, I understand that.

1116
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,400
I, that I do not have to attend
after school.

1117
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,200
Meetings, obviously part of
their contract.

1118
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,700
I've offered to join on Zoom,
but this has been turned down on

1119
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:59,100
the grounds that if I'm granted.
This then all those would start

1120
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:00,800
expecting it.
I hate that excuse by the way,

1121
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,700
sorry, so yeah.
Oh my gosh, hate that.

1122
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:05,600
Well if we give you this thing
that's perfect.

1123
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,100
Seasonable everyone else might
want this perfectly reasonable

1124
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,100
thing, hate that, by the way,
very toxic straight away and

1125
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:12,400
they put I don't get why.
That's a problem.

1126
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:14,800
Anyway, also offer to stay at
the meetings are held at

1127
00:50:14,808 --> 00:50:17,900
lunchtime or I can catch up by
basically, I don't want to hang

1128
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,900
around all day is their point
because they only work trapped.

1129
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:22,500
I'm right trapped on exactly
that.

1130
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:27,000
So, the upset from this person
comes from this, that wasn't

1131
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,300
accepted.
She's been harassed and

1132
00:50:29,308 --> 00:50:32,600
harassing arrest of emails from
like certainly SLT around the

1133
00:50:32,607 --> 00:50:33,900
school.
Being like, Oh, you really do

1134
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,600
need to be at these meetings.
And she wait, I thought it was

1135
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,900
that she didn't have 20.
She saying she shouldn't have to

1136
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:40,400
come.
Yeah.

1137
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,400
She's saying, she's alright.
Yeah, side.

1138
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,800
Like she's saying it's very much
in her Conrad doesn't have to

1139
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:47,300
but the school now that her head
of Department, I think it's a

1140
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:51,300
secondary school is really peed
off basically and upset that

1141
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,400
this person isn't attending
these meetings because I need to

1142
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,200
get the information cool and has
had loads and loads of emails

1143
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,500
about it in the week and now
they're saying things.

1144
00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,700
Like are you need to get
explicit like permission written

1145
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,000
down that you don't have to be
at the meetings and all this was

1146
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,900
rubbish and it's I just making
this person's life he'll

1147
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:06,800
basically.
And she's Just said, I'm being

1148
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,400
made to feel that I'm difficult
and that I'm not a team player

1149
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,900
and I don't want to have this
talk with this person like it's

1150
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:16,400
making me really uncomfortable
and I feel harassed. so, there

1151
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:23,500
you go, it, I just Let me start
off by saying, okay, it's like a

1152
00:51:23,508 --> 00:51:25,300
needle, a Rigo's.
I read it.

1153
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:28,200
I realized that I go off on one
and maybe it's emotional

1154
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,300
sometimes and I think once or
twice I've said things that

1155
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,400
maybe I look back and I'm like,
oh maybe I'm overreacting but

1156
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,900
I'm gonna do anyway for the
memes.

1157
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:42,600
Gonna do it in?
I am I struggle to Understand,

1158
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:49,800
let me put it mildly how those
people literally exist, mild

1159
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:54,600
ii-i'm, nice and Mild.
I really struggle to understand

1160
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,200
how someone can be in that
situation where they know the

1161
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,500
contract of this person instead
of just being a normal human

1162
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:09,100
being and conversing with them.
Like a human rather than a child

1163
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,400
and maybe realizing that it's a
job.

1164
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,700
This sounds like the kind of
person who maybe takes their

1165
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:16,500
job.
Very, very over-the-top.

1166
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:18,000
Seriously.
Like we were saying earlier goes

1167
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,300
above and beyond perhaps its
head of a head of a department

1168
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:24,100
because they've worked
incredibly hard and all fair

1169
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:26,000
play to them.
But seems to think that

1170
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,200
projecting that onto other
people as acceptable.

1171
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,100
Mmm, it's not for a start.
It's not acceptable.

1172
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,300
You are there to fulfill a role
as she is fulfilling her role

1173
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:37,800
this person.
Much as she needs to.

1174
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,100
If she has offered so many
solutions to this problem, which

1175
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,100
don't involve her wasting four
hours of a time to what is

1176
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:47,300
essentially becoming full time.
Because she's in school that

1177
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:50,000
whole time, she's not cutting,
but that's ridiculous to expect

1178
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,700
her to have to stay that long
without compensation.

1179
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:55,100
At least there could be a
discussion of well perhaps you

1180
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:58,100
know, perhaps we could move your
PPA to this afternoon and you're

1181
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:01,500
getting paid therefore to stay
in school and do your stuff that

1182
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,300
there's look at that.
You can we just think about this

1183
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:07,200
when the meta perspective?
Now of we do, so So much out of

1184
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,500
school.
Anyway.

1185
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000
Why are you trapping my time?
Also, like this woman has

1186
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,500
marking to this woman has
planning to do, she might have

1187
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:17,600
an afternoon where she's agreed
this contract, because it's a

1188
00:53:17,607 --> 00:53:20,900
morning nor point for contract.
Therefore, she has to go and do

1189
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:23,700
something, which can't be moved,
but even if she doesn't have

1190
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,900
something which Can't Be Moved,
it's not her job.

1191
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:30,100
Let's repeat that one more time.
It's not her job.

1192
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,300
Yep.
She could.

1193
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:34,500
She I don't understand it.
I'd loved.

1194
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:37,400
I really want to have someone on
I truly do.

1195
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:40,300
Who has this kind of mindset of
this person whose head of this

1196
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:44,200
department and just, and I'll
pretend to be civil for five

1197
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,300
minutes with her talking, but I
just want to hear like their

1198
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:51,400
rationale because maybe I'm
missing something here, maybe

1199
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,000
I'm really out of touch, but to
me, the argument always seems to

1200
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,900
be well, it's work.
Well, what are you gonna do?

1201
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:02,400
Well, isn't it a tough one
sport, but that's when the

1202
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,200
meaning at that doesn't wash
with me.

1203
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,100
I don't get you need to
explicitly Lane how it's

1204
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:09,100
acceptable for you to expect me
to do something which is

1205
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:13,000
literally not in my contract
just because get over yourself.

1206
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,800
I'm not doing it.
Well Done Hayden, you got me

1207
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,600
riled up.
Do you want to carry on with

1208
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,300
this and thank you for listening
to this episode of Dylan's

1209
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:23,300
rants?
I mean I'll just touch on one

1210
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:25,400
point a bit more which is you
mentioned trapped time.

1211
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,600
I think it's interesting, I
think it's good to talk about

1212
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,800
it.
I don't think everyone knows

1213
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,600
what trapped time is
necessarily, but for those

1214
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,600
listening, it might apply to
your jobs as well.

1215
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,000
I don't know, but it certainly
doesn't teaching, so the any you

1216
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,100
guidance?
Says that trapped time.

1217
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,200
Is any use the union for
teachers?

1218
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,900
Just was Hayden.
Let's say things and even tell

1219
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:43,700
you what the mean, okay, I'm
just gonna say the union the

1220
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:47,000
union let's say we well you
know, all right.

1221
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,400
You can't say words.
So the Union's defined trapped

1222
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,500
time essentially as time in
between two expert expected,

1223
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,500
part of your contract where that
you're not paid for that time

1224
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:01,700
but it's not enough time to
actually go home or like

1225
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:03,800
basically have a life.
So it's trapped time because

1226
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,500
what, you know, you don't
actually have to do anything and

1227
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:07,100
that.
So this is a Perfect example.

1228
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:09,600
If you finish your contract
finishes that that's a 12:30

1229
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,500
okay and especially the teaching
world you're probably realistic.

1230
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:15,600
Not going to leave the building
at 12:30 on the dot.

1231
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,600
It's more likely the kids are
going to go out to lunch at that

1232
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,400
time and then you've got you get
yourself sorted, right?

1233
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,800
And then you expected to go to a
meeting at 3:15.

1234
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:25,600
All of that time in between that
is not long enough that's not

1235
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,400
reasonable amount of time for
that person to go and carry on

1236
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,800
doing whatever they have a
commitments.

1237
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,400
They might have with their day,
so it's called traps time.

1238
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,900
And if time has been trapped, it
is a requirement that Is now

1239
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:38,700
part of your director time and
you're paid for it.

1240
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,000
So that's the argument people
are constantly having and what

1241
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
they're battling against them,
this woman clearly battling

1242
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,400
against this because she's being
asked to have trapped time every

1243
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,300
single week with absolutely no
remuneration or any

1244
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,700
consideration or compromise that
you said for that time which is

1245
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:56,000
just completely unfair.
And I'm on her side and I think

1246
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,600
it's ridiculous.
Well I guess at the end of the

1247
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,300
day all I can say at least a
director time system is

1248
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:02,700
completely fair and works
perfectly.

1249
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:04,400
So I mean do you just take the
risk?

1250
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:08,800
Yeah, don't Go there.
Okay, I think it's time to wrap

1251
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,200
it up there.
So before we finish a couple of

1252
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,900
things, guys, please get in
touch with a story from the

1253
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:13,400
classroom.
I know there are so many

1254
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,200
listeners.
I say it every week that kind of

1255
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,300
listen along, love the podcast.
If you have a story, it can be

1256
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:20,100
anonymous so it can be
embarrassing.

1257
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:22,200
We won't reveal your name.
Well, no, because we're message

1258
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,900
us but we won't stay on the
podcast.

1259
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:27,100
Please get in touch with us.
We are so excited to get guest

1260
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:28,600
on the podcast.
We're not going to say who yet,

1261
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,800
but some really exciting people
are coming on here to share

1262
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:33,700
their wisdom, share their
stories were.

1263
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:35,600
So looking forward to bringing
it to you guys.

1264
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,100
So stacks of Listen again to
what was a 50-50 episode?

1265
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:41,500
They really, I guess we're a
little bit of chat and the 50%

1266
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:45,800
you chatting 50% you ranting.
So it's good which I know just

1267
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,600
1% of you in there somewhere.
Was it?

1268
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,600
My baldness wall?
We nearly went an episode.

1269
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,500
Oh, that mentioning it.
We were so close.

1270
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:53,600
I'm actually annoyed that you've
done.

1271
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:54,900
No I don't actually really
annoyed me.

1272
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:57,100
Ask you why don't you wrap me up
one more time?

1273
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,700
I think I think there's actually
going to be a different title

1274
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,900
for this podcast.
Anyway, I'm getting riled up,

1275
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:04,300
just thinking about it.
Dylan gets riled part 1.

1276
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:07,700
I don't know, residential's it.
If you're still listening, it's

1277
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,000
unbelievable.
If you're still watching, get a

1278
00:57:10,008 --> 00:57:12,000
life when I see you next week.
What you doing?

1279
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:12,800
Bye, guys.