Ep 14: Should We Scrap The KS2 SATs?

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Dylan celebrate, this podcast
episode being the first one

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available on video.
Check us out on Spotify, by the

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way, or on YouTube.
I've got a little game to play.

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Okay, good.
I mean, I'm going to tell the

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customers right now that they
missed out on you, trying to do

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this three times because you
were nervous about the

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Caribbean.
But let's go straight into the

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game.
You know?

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I did I broke the fourth wall
like this.

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Okay, you can't do that.
What a way to switch our viewers

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off straight away.
The first ever time the viewed

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as to see your googly eyes
staring down.

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At them down the camera.
And if you're listening, this is

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all nonsense.
So, Let's get started with a

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game.
I have got three statements,

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okay?
And this first round of this

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game is this right?
You've got to guess which

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statement is something.
A child has actually said to me

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this week and which two are this
one thing?

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Yeah this is like fresh fresh
out of the kitchen.

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Well what children are said to
be the shit this week, only one

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of them's real though, okay.
So alright first statement Mr.

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Stevens, if you are a superhero,
you'd be Eggman.

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And then the child proceeded to
look at my head statement.

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Two, my dad.
Thought you were older than him

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and it's his 45th birthday
today.

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Solid solid start, and number
three, does mr.

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Price do more YouTube videos
than you?

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Because he has hair.
Which one of those statements?

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Do you think is actually
something a child said to me?

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Joints, quite sad.
All of them.

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Sound really exciting.
I know I did quite well, I think

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I think it's the more YouTube
videos one because I don't think

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that you would have wanted to
make that stat that one up.

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So I think that was true, it's
not, I've made that word up.

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I was really proud of that one
because we've been doing loads

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of YouTube videos this week.
So yeah, no, it's not.

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It was the first one.
A child randomly came up to me,

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not, you know, like they do when
they just want to roast.

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You, that's it.
Yeah.

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If you're a superhero, you'd be
Eggman.

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And then pointed pointed at my
head, I was like, I wonder what

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super-powered Eggman have.
I can fry myself on the floor.

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I made a joke.
Anyone.

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Got absolutely Stig.
Let me go rotten.

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I've got a second round.
Okay, this time.

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So it's the same sort of
principle three statements.

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This one is well, the first
round was so good.

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So I can't make me shut up
guess.

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Which statement is something
that really happened to me

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working in Schools that had to
think hard about this one,

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because we've worked together a
lot.

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So I had to try and make them
obscure enough.

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So first one really during a
snow fight with the children.

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I slipped over and I gave myself
a nosebleed.

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That's you all over.
That's you all over plenty of

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snow fights over the is always
good.

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Other teachers hate me because I
will go out and have a snow

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fight in the field.
Terrible number to a child

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brought me in a week to wear
because they thought it was

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funny.
Obviously, I like it.

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I did wear it.
So, Okay.

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Okay, another three.
I organized a school trip to the

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wrong place entirely.
And then I turn over the place.

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I thought I booked which was not
booked.

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This just did.
You're like a self-deprecating

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mode ear or not of these show
you in a good light?

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I don't think so.
But I reckon I reckon the snow

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fight one you've made up because
you've tried to be clever doing

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it close to 1 the because I know
there's loads of snow stories

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with you.
The school trip one.

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I feel like I would have known
for like I would have known that

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you were Tom.
If you put the wrong place I'm

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gonna go for the week being
true.

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Why don't you got?
That would write they did and it

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was actually this week.
Oh my goodness.

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Okay.
Well, that was a fantastic game.

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What, a way to celebrate the
video, guys.

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Hey yeah.
The whole thing's like this.

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So let's crack on, shall we?
Hello everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode
of teach seat.

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Repeat, this is episode 14.
My name is Dylan and my name is

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Hayden and it's back to the old
intro that we've loved so much.

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We were off last week, we didn't
do a podcast.

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I had literally one person.
Messaged me asking me where we

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were.
That's nice.

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Isn't it all of our all one
follower base then, yeah, so all

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them with Russia.
He was a bit bogged down full of

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stuff.
Going on local elections, but he

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found the time to message us a
really nice swing on.

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I messaged you and ask where you
were.

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Oh, what's that?
Wait.

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Wait.
Was that been pretending to be

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really soon after the last three
months?

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Am I the only person asked but
okay, you know what, ignore it.

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So thank you, customers for
absolutely not missing as

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whatsoever been a bit of a jam
packed week or two really.

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So Hayden.
What have you been up to Pal?

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Whatever the last two whole
weeks of recap for man?

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Well, and as you can tell from
my head, if you're watching the

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video which you can do by the
way, we're going to keep safe

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below.
You can watch it on video now.

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Look at moving bits.
All right, should we search?

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We should probably have a name
for the people who actually

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watch some video, some kind of,
you know, negative connotation

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because they're being creeps
really on it.

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Like, it's a podcast while
watching us so, okay, we can you

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think of a name, what come up
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Well, well, think about it.
I think about maybe the, maybe

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the viewers could come up with
their own self.

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Deprecating name will have
customers, who listen, just

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audio.
And we'll come up with some kind

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of name for the widows who like
to watch us.

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For some reason, for analysis,
and I'll chair, there you go.

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You got it.
The Widow's is like to watch a,

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some reason in there, for an
hour, sat in the chair as we

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have mouthful but which we go
for that.

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Okay.
Well if it's anything like this

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podcast, you know, check our
email address.

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Check out Instagram name in
there, really?

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I can't wait to make a YouTube
channel, we haven't even made

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you.
God knows if this is the place

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where you can get videos from
TCP podcast from Haven and Dylan

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and all the creatures want to
watch as viral video.

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Terrible anyway.
But yeah, we've been up to I

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mean, obviously, I went over the
main thing about week because

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that's the main point of this
podcast.

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Obviously, it sounds week we'll
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But other than that, got a bit
of a sunburn on my head.

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Oh no, I'm going here.
And as you can tell, I thought

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it'd be really good.
The first time we do record it

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on video If I Had A stomping
cold and I look horrible.

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So actually my crusty knows I
tell you what if you are

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listening on Spotify and you
weren't convinced before

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becoming this to come and watch
this on video cross the nose.

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I think, I think I think Spotify
automatically pays a video, but

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I was also thinking, what
percentage of our podcast is,

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you talking about your lack of
hair.

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It must be pretty high.
Pretty probably about any hairs

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I have so about 90%.
Okay, well, unless you're under

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a rock, we had a whole thing.
This week, going back to episode

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1 of the podcast.
When we had a bit of a chat with

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Charlie, I'll make down Windsor.
Give us a bank holiday.

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Give us a bank holiday because
we've managed to pass over a

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Golden Crown to a weird old man
who we all meant to sit and sing

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about.
That's cool.

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It was good.
I had really enjoyed someone

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made a cut a really, really good
edit of the moment in which he

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is crowned with the moment in
which he's crowned in the Johnny

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English film.
If you remember that from a long

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time ago, it's perfectly and
then obviously Rowan Atkinson

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like flies.
Then sits on the on the throne

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against Brown and I couldn't
believe how well this, like,

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satirical piece from 20 years
ago, cut with the real-life

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coronation of think.
That's pretty funny.

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I've seen one with Camilla
because obviously Camilla got a

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crown as well.
He managed to bag that didn't

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they didn't sell Prince, Philip
get a frantic around for several

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years.
Camilla comes in sweeps in, she

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gets a crown.
Anyways, put the crown on their

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head and I still would have
dubbed over the audio from Harry

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Potter with a sort of hat, put
streiko into Slytherin It Go.

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Those close to her Slytherin,
the bad.

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If we got any royalists, fast,
turn this off.

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Now, Dylan, if we can tear all
this fans, they your you can.

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I'm going on my word, I don't
know what to say.

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Yeah, human some kind of
Republican madman just sat if

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you in about this old bloke,
there's probably nice enough,

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but the whole thing stinks to
me, then about you actually.

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Hey, oh, cost of living crisis,
let's go and watch the golden

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Carriage go past.
How lovely?

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I did enjoy a lot of people
share that picture of that kind

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of bird's eye view shot of the
all the potholes being filled

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with sand.
Did you see that?

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We know it was the capture.
Yes.

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Like this, the iron, Me here.
We can't even afford to like

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repair our roads, but we've got
this big golden Carriage of made

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of pumpkins and pulled by a
various unbelievable.

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I think it's unbelievable.
So, yeah, you know, I spent a

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bit of time getting
unnecessarily annoyed at that

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went to a barbecue, that was a
coronation themed drink it

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drinking out of a cup of the
crown on it didn't feel right,

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but I did it anyway because
their meat and a Barbie, I'm

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gonna do it anyway.
Your morals.

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Go right out the window and
there's food.

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What's that?
What's that 17?

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Glasses of lemonade.
Okay.

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That's right up my street.
Some nice pop do love that.

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King, that's me.
So yeah, and I know bad but back

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now the back on the podcast and
I was thinking the whole time as

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I can't wait to moan about it
because actually, what is going

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to segue really nicely into is?
The bulk of this episode.

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So like you said Hayden is SATs,
week for year six, they're doing

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their key stage 2 SATs after a
short break, which is literally

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the three-second jingle.
We're going to come back and

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hold on.
Hold on guys.

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Make sure you get through it.
Every second jingle goes

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gravity.
But but three seconds.

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Come back!
We're gonna have a chat about

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all things SATs and we're going
to get deep.

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Right.
Head.

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We are So as we record this,
this is literally CS6 at speak

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and I like to call it Key Stage
2 because that is like a very

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quick thing before we get into
later.

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Yeah, you know it is testing the
whole of Key Stage 2.

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So there's questions in these
papers that you're the learning

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the history and you have for
most of it CS6.

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But it is the key stage 2 SATs.
There's a lot of controversy

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around these tests over the
years, it's kind of been

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overshadowed this year, I guess,
with the whole striking and

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coronation and all that stuff.
So it's been less of a, I feel

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like there's been less of a
discussion than it has been in

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previous years about, you know,
how useful they are or whether

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we should do them.
Not but you're literally in your

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six head and doing them this
week.

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So you know what your thoughts?
So I'm first of all, just going

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to say pepper disclaimer, just
protecting our jobs here.

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Dylan bit of a disclaimer for
everyone, we would like my job.

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Anything we talked about in
this, in this podcast, episode

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is not related to the actual
status week in terms of content.

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We cannot discuss content at the
papers during the SATs week that

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be very silly and we're not
doing that.

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So just put it out there.
In case anyone thinks, hey,

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they're discussing, what's in
the papers this week, we're not,

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we might reflect Act on Old
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not talking about this week
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of the way, so, yes, we are the
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at the end of SATs week, but we
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bit strange for a start.
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We got office at speak in the
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establishment moaning because
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education is precious but we
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of a exactly.
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and have a barbecue that kind of
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Carriage going down the Mal.
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Yeah, so honest I was a bit
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bit because I keep thinking
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her or do you had weather and
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have a year really?
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it's just a bit strange at the
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but Which we'll talk about,
which what do we want to dive

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into, you know what I think.
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lots of people, if this podcast,
they want teachers, lots of

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people who are so very quickly.
Maybe we could just summarize,

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what are the key stage 2 sets?
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listening will vaguely.
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to be a six.
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what they involve and then we
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nitty-gritty of sure we put in
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because it can become quite full
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Did I want to take you on a bit
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in time a little bit, give you
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and and the your I'm looking at
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outweigh, those people listening
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bit for you he's turned it off.
He said we're gonna see a

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retention drop in the middle of
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That awkward the only time
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the eye.
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were born Dylan, before we are
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government.
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Right.
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the national curriculum, the
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curriculum was actually put in
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only a couple of years later in
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introduced the SATs.
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introduced at simply as a means
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of the national curriculum, that
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was obviously all-new.
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want to check how that's doing.
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was originally.
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play, originally involved in the
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which is now down to two
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So you'll know if, you know, if
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now, in any way or you have any
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English and maths are the core
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the time is English test, its
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science test as well up until
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That's not true.
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sets up until early.
Since I do apologize, I'm gonna

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say that was going.
That was going so well.

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And so, so boring.
They had to go wrong.

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Yeah, no, no.
The best bit was I'm wrong

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again.
Is this 2010?

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All right, I'm look at, look at
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Reading the wrong one.
So up until Berlin, stop, stop

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very quickly.
I'm going to just talk to the

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viewers right now because what's
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you guys enough how much Hayden
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according to their own videos,
we have to really care for my

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mistakes.
Okay?

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We're through really careful
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We have to do cut sort of,
that's why we're not cutting

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that.
At and that stayed in.

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All right.
So Dylan we can't be what

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mistakes.
All right, it's important to

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show our customers that our
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is that this is why I say to the
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If I make a mistake with
genuine, we all make mistakes

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and I'm sure I'm modeling to
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It's like to just own your
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All right, so in 2010 I'm sorry
no really quickly because I'm

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calling you out, I'm calling you
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teacher does the like it's
really important to make

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mistakes.
So I'm going to pretend I didn't

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it's really important to steaks
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Well, I modeled this method
actually mistake, I did it on

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purpose.
You will learn something from me

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Stevens.
You told us to leave the paper

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blank and we just handed it in.
Yes, it was called a mistake and

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we will learn from now.
Anyway, so science was, it has a

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nice 2010.
It was two thousand oaks hen

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that was removed, and it was an
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the general secretary, City of
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teachers, which is a union said
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obviously, we're just annoyed at
the fact that we just randomly

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taken out a core subjects of the
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If we think that's so important,
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that tests are turning young
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was the rationale, by the way
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for English and maths if
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said, this is run a school back
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cool to read it 12 years later,
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If anything, this move will
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further because it will
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on two subjects instead of
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I mean, talk about obvious but
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Like honestly, that's crazy,
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And then we spoke about recently
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problem.
The problem of the primary

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curriculum, have a look at the
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You haven't, and it kind of
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Because that we judge schools
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exclusively mastered English,
but then we have ofsted and

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Frameworks coming in and judging
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It's curriculum.
And it's like these two things

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can't work in tandem, what are
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What are you talking about?
How can we have League tables

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with SATs, which are just
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But then have so much pressure
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curriculum.
It's just a hot pot of of a bit

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of a mess, really.
And then on top of that, on top

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of that, just to make it, you
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apart, in terms of those two
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that it would be good to
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That is completely dependent on
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subjects.
Haha, just think, you know, I do

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get paid by performance.
I get the rationale of it, but

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like you said, it doesn't teach
you could feel Gonna Pay

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Teachers more money, each year,
based on how their children

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perform in English and maths.
Of course, we're going to get

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this narrow curriculum, that,
that just focuses on two

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subjects because that's what
people like the school's judged

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on it.
The teachers are paid based on

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it.
Like what did what they think is

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going to happen that's going to
slip towards this culture of

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what you know, we do tons of
math and English and everything

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else gets pushed out of the
curriculum and then we All sit

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around and moan that we can't
fit everything in the curriculum

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because we're doing so much
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Yeah, like I said in the last
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And the thing that frustrates me
for more about that is we but we

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still have the expectation of
the often your curriculum.

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So you're absolutely right.
Like everything's judged on the

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morning but then it's just kind
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that you.
But yeah, you've also got do

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this, and it's like, okay, are
we judge?

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Don't know, but ofsted might
come in and judge your framework

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and do a deep dive into your
coffee.

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So we have to make sure that
that is absolutely bad.

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Look, it's really frustrating
talking about it because we both

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understand and appreciate that
every subject, of course, has to

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be in a perfect place.
That's what you always have to

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strive for.
We want the best for their

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children, but it's just so
unrealistic.

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And the pressure of SATs.
We talked about this last week,

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I wanted to talk to you about
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teacher, I've never officially
taught in year six, I've done

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placements in year six, I've
helped out in your six your year

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six teacher having done the SATs
for a few years now.

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Yeah I wonder how you see
something we coin.

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A few weeks ago, one of our
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stupid trickle-down economics
was like, of course, the money

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doesn't come down but when we
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stress and then like you know
pressure and I just worry from

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the outside looking in when I
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maths and children being invited
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I just think who's that for that
is for the school's League table

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results that and you know, that
is for this arbitrary measure of

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children's Targets in secondary
school from their sat.

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Results children develop at
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I just find this pressure from
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the children and being so
counterintuitive to like our

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aims as Educators.
What do you think?

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I just feel like the whole the
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counterproductive, I think it's
a bit of a double sided coin.

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And I like, I all somewhat
disagree with you not completely

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because I your rationale behind
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But I also think that and this
goes It's everything I normally

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say, right?
But the dike hopefully

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understand.
I'm not just suddenly flipping

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sighs.
I'm a big tall right now, but I

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think anything that could be
remotely seen as like, horrible.

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I'm not at all worried boy.
Let's go.

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Tory's, got, I'm sorry.
Go without a even smaller place

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of audience.
Listen, we want an echo chamber.

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Okay, tell us were funny and
tell us where right politically

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it's all we want, but yeah, but
factors.

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That's right.
So it's a weird one because you

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talked about like halftime clubs
and doing all these extra boost.

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Things.
I do think that can go too far

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and I think that's the point
you're making like it gets a bit

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ridiculous.
Like, you know, that's not all

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schools for, and are we only
doing that because we're so

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worried about data and are paid
progression and that sort of

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stuff that we're doing this?
Or is it because we care about

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the kids but the reason I think
it's a double-edged the

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double-edged sword, a double
sided coin is because also it

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does keep us accountable as a
profession, I do think it makes

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teachers really, really think
twice about everything they're

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teaching, you know, is you Not
just take a flippant approach to

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it or whatever, what will be
will be, we all going to be

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judged in there, mate.
So, you know, you need to be,

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make sure you got the absolute
best provision in for your kids

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because if you don't, it's going
to be bad for them.

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And it's also going to be bad
for you, by the way.

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So make sure everything's in
place.

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So there's part of me that works
where it's like, I do get it and

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I do think it's great.
Actually, a lot of these kids

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Thrive, they get all this extra
stuff put in place and they

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absolutely Thrive from it and
end up doing really well.

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But I do get the pressures and
stress, you know, the I guess

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that's the point you're making,
okay?

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So cupcake or a couple of points
come back to our next.

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I find it really interesting and
you've remotely disagreed with

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me.
So I've got my backup trailer

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and so it's really interesting
to me.

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I guess, the first thing I
wanted to say, was it really

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Narrows your focus in terms of
like you know, you're going to

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be judged on this.
And like that's kind of the

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point we were just making which
is like, okay well if it does

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narrow my focus then what kind
of missing out of the kids

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holistic approach because of
that, Not just into math and

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English, for example.
But the other point I guess is

449
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,800
well, is if teachers I know for
a fact have looked at the

450
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,500
curriculum before and instead of
thinking, okay, how can I best

451
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:00,900
deliver this?
Curriculum for my children

452
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:02,700
because I need to be have the
curriculum delivered.

453
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,900
They've said, okay, what's the
best way to get more marks in

454
00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:09,100
the SATs paper?
What can I prioritize?

455
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,900
What can I maybe not teach the
children because it's not worth

456
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,200
my time because not not lots of
them will get it.

457
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,600
But if I spend more time on this
instead, Said that's going to

458
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,200
potentially get the more marks
in the test at the detriment of

459
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,300
their curriculum.
That's, that's a very good

460
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:23,800
point.
And that is widely widely seen

461
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,000
across this profession.
That's just not like low call,

462
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,500
or like, a few scores.
I have, I agree.

463
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,800
I've seen that from hundreds of
people online and things saying

464
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,200
that's what they're doing.
And yeah, you're probably right.

465
00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:36,700
I think, I think as a wider
Point, you're probably right.

466
00:22:36,700 --> 00:22:39,800
I'm going down the perspective
of I'm, I'm drawn into thinking

467
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,600
that the most important thing
that's probably what I'm doing

468
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000
right now and I'm I'm agreeing.
Oh yeah.

469
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,300
Math and English are the most
important thing they Highest

470
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,800
value.
So therefore doing all these

471
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,000
extra boosters and things is
great, objectively, great for

472
00:22:51,008 --> 00:22:53,600
the children because they're
going to be better at math and

473
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,400
English.
These really highly important

474
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,000
things but I think you've got
it.

475
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,700
Made a good point about.
Let's not forget though, that

476
00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:01,600
the curriculum is supposed to be
Broad and balanced.

477
00:23:02,500 --> 00:23:06,300
And perhaps, if we weren't paid
based on the results of these

478
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,300
and we didn't have League
tables, maybe we wouldn't think

479
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,900
these are the most important and
we'd actually not put these

480
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:14,200
things in place and instead of
doing Mass boosters, maybe we'd

481
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200
do some cool people.
Lesson or some art lesson or,

482
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,000
you know, some geography that
the children are interested in.

483
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,100
So, yeah, it's a good point,
yeah.

484
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,000
Really interests me because I,
again, I'm not someone who's

485
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
been in with the pressures of
actually being the year, 60

486
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,900
chirring, always when you're in
on the, on the front line,

487
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:32,800
things are very different.
It's a very similar thing, but I

488
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,600
went to year three and a Junior
School.

489
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,400
Everyone told me before you.
Three and a junior school, they

490
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,300
come from a different school
until Christmas sometimes,

491
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,100
that's how long it takes them to
embed routines.

492
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,100
And, you know, get out to
scratch with like, the school

493
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,700
expectations.
I thought it was nonsense.

494
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,000
And they said it will take 15,
20 minutes to write the day and

495
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,700
the learning objective.
I thought it was nonsense.

496
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,100
It all turned out to be true so
it's very eye-opening being in

497
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:55,900
the job so I get that for you
six teachers listening who think

498
00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,600
maybe I'm being a bit idealistic
and I like the idea of you being

499
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,100
a bit more realistic coming back
with some, you know, the actual

500
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,800
thing that happens.
But from my point of view as

501
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,300
well that the problem I see and
it's not something people like

502
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:15,400
to talk about, but it is
absolutely true that it happens

503
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,900
when Where people are so
pressurized, whether it's from

504
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:22,900
their own, you know, self-belief
and wanting to be seen as a good

505
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:28,300
teacher, or from SLT from the
top down that, how can I say

506
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,900
this?
Not cheating, but absolutely,

507
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,400
there is such a pressure to get
the right scores that, you know,

508
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:40,100
children might be you, I would,
I want to say, it's really

509
00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:41,800
fitting correctly because I'm
not saying I've seen this

510
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,300
happen, but I know for a fact
that it does that you know,

511
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,000
people might be coerced or very
tempted to kind of guide

512
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,900
children's hands a bit and help
a bit more than they're supposed

513
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,400
to or you know, go around and
just say all chip you know,

514
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,700
check that again kind of thing
because it's so such a highly

515
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,500
pressurized job and I suppose we
see it a lot more, it's linked

516
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,700
to SATs it's how we assess the
children and we're just as

517
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:04,900
teachers but with the writing
moderations and things like

518
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:09,100
that, where it's very tempting
to just push that hand and be

519
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:14,800
like ah, Well, it's a you're
right and I'm sure, you know, I

520
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,900
imagine any normal human being
is going to feel that pressure

521
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:21,800
right to get these kids perform
and I think it hype.

522
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,000
What that does is highlight a
really fundamental flaw of the

523
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,500
SATs and kind of exams, really?
In general, which is that it's a

524
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:34,000
performance on one day to judge
children on for years of

525
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,700
learning.
And and and it is kind of crazy,

526
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:38,900
really?
Isn't it if you think about it?

527
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,200
Like let's take a typical
Grammar punctuation and spelling

528
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,500
test right so the children sit a
GPS Test it within their SATs

529
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,200
every year and quite often on
the lead-up to SATs, will do

530
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,500
mock tests and things like that
just from based on previous

531
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,200
years.
And so I've become very familiar

532
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,400
with SATs papers over the last
five, six years.

533
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,900
And each question is kind of
designed to test an area of the

534
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:03,400
curriculum, right?
So if you actually look behind

535
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,400
the scenes of the SATs, there's
always like there's always

536
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,600
coding that goes with every
question and it all it breaks it

537
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,800
down.
You can find out what the

538
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,300
purpose of a question Oh, it was
testing their ability to use

539
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:15,800
apostrophes in contracted formed
words.

540
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,700
All right and they'll be maybe
two questions on that in the

541
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,400
whole paper one.
Usually because there's so many

542
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,900
objectives to teach across the
key stage 2 and you know, we

543
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,600
know what the children can do
and I can have.

544
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,300
Can you just imagine in that
hypothetical situation?

545
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,600
We are saying, you know, people
might be tempted to kind of

546
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,500
guide children's hands where
they know that that child can

547
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,000
can do it because they've done
it consistently for the last two

548
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,700
years.
Maybe and then you see them.

549
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:44,000
It wrong and that's their one
and only chance to show that in

550
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,100
the whole four years.
They've learned how to use

551
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:47,500
apostrophes.
I think that that's the flaw in

552
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,800
the system, why really?
So that kid made a little silly

553
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,300
are all just made a mistake
we'll just midriff.

554
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,800
Misread the question and now
from as a data point that child

555
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,900
can categorically not do
apostrophes now.

556
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,200
That's what it means and it's
like, yeah that's that's that's

557
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,700
a dangerous game when you're
playing with you and beings who

558
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:06,600
have this like real close bond
with this class that they

559
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
developed over a year and they
want them to succeed and do

560
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,500
well.
And they know we know as

561
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:14,100
teachers What those children can
do like the back of our hand, we

562
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:18,000
know what they can do.
So yeah, it's a horrible.

563
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,800
I don't know how I saw him.
I saw a meme online and it was

564
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,800
very similar to this.
And this what?

565
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,300
I mean II want to make it really
clear.

566
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,400
I'm not talking about someone
said, they're telling someone

567
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,100
the answer.
I'm not talking about that,

568
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,900
that's just outright cheating.
And I don't believe anyone does

569
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,600
that.
I know the very, very few, but I

570
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,900
don't believe people do that.
I'm talking about exactly what

571
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,600
you just said, you know?
And they're saw a me and it was

572
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800
hilarious because I remember
this being in school, Or and it

573
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
was it was this guy pretending
to be a teacher and he was being

574
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,600
like a moderator walking around
right in the exam Hall and he

575
00:27:48,608 --> 00:27:50,100
walks up.
He walks up to the person.

576
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,700
He's like this, he's like
looking I could do acting now

577
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:53,900
because this is going on
Spotify.

578
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,000
Oh yeah, go on.
Then she walks up.

579
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,800
It was bent over and he just
goes and stands up and goes to

580
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,800
the front of the room turns
around.

581
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,900
And says, guys, you need to
remember to check your answers

582
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:12,500
really carefully.
Just as Yes, I remember that so

583
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:15,100
fast, it's cool, but a teacher,
but we need to make sure we

584
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,700
check our answers.
Okay.

585
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,400
Yeah.
All of our answers, especially

586
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,900
the page were on right now, like
staring at the person.

587
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:25,500
So in the real SATs we have to
there's with that, you know,

588
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,700
it's really strict for a reason
because at the end of the day is

589
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,000
much as we talk joke about it
and we say like how people might

590
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,100
be pressurized, it is imperative
that nobody does that.

591
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,300
You know, as we both agree,
we've had this discussion

592
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:40,700
before, like it can't be a
standardized like set tests.

593
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
It's if if it's not standardized
in the way, it's delivered,

594
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,200
right?
So we are literally given like

595
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,600
scripts in the morning to read
off of and it and, and we have

596
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,900
these little booklets that we
have to read through a, for

597
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,300
example, if you are a one-to-one
reader for a child because

598
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,200
certain children qualify for
having an adult, helping them

599
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,600
read that, the questions there
is like, a whole guidance,

600
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,300
booklet of things, you can and
can't do and you must follow it.

601
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,600
And I get why they've made all
these things.

602
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,700
It's to avoid people thinking,
oh not breaking the rules.

603
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:14,600
I just, you know, go and tap on
the desk and get them to reread

604
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,100
a question.
I'm not helping them.

605
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,300
I thought told them any content
I'm just, you know, I've noticed

606
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,300
that they've made a silly
mistake and I know they can do

607
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:24,400
this thing and it's to tell
trying to avoid all of that sort

608
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400
of Foul Play, that that, you
know, potentially goes on in

609
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,700
different schools, but we still
human beings.

610
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
I, I can't guarantee that across
the country.

611
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,900
There are not people doing this
sort of thing, and I do think

612
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,400
that that might be, that might
have a part to play in.

613
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,900
Why?
Why the bar Gets raised every

614
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:44,900
single year because children
seem to be, you know, doing all

615
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,500
their doing so.
Well in English and maths, the

616
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,800
back of the bar.
A what I wanted to talk about is

617
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,900
quickly actually because it's
something I really strongly

618
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:57,100
believe in which kind of then
leads to a point of view that

619
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,500
people might think my job is
pointless that.

620
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:01,200
I think I'm actually poisonous
but I don't but I'm going to try

621
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,200
and explain my point of view
here because on my huge problem

622
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,800
is year-to-year comparisons
especially within the same

623
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,200
school.
On the national scale is that

624
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,700
hundreds of thousands of
children.

625
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:16,600
Take the test on the national
scale.

626
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,600
That's enough data to make an
accurate.

627
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Judgment of, you know, whether
children are progressing or

628
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,100
regressing, whatever it is right
with like within a school.

629
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:32,200
It's so backwards because you
could just get a class who based

630
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,400
on the national average are well
above average and the next year

631
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,400
you could get a class that based
on the national average are well

632
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,600
below and In The Raw scores that
get published and that let the

633
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,100
public.
See you could go from one Year.

634
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:50,900
Everyone 90% Plus in English.
Reading in maths as well.

635
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:55,500
Ever not 100% across across the
board, amazing scores do the

636
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:58,600
exact same provision, put the
exact same amount of work in

637
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,200
place.
Do the exact same research to

638
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,400
the same amount of, you know,
guiding and helping the children

639
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,000
and doing the exact same thing.
And next year, your scores could

640
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,900
drop by 20% and it is literally
quite simply To, that's the

641
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:14,000
ability of the children in your
class and there's like,

642
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,600
comparisons made between it and
I think that's so toxic, I fully

643
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,100
agree by the way, I've always
I've always found that insane

644
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,700
even my first year of teaching.
I remember having that kind of

645
00:31:22,708 --> 00:31:26,000
thought, process of like wait,
what why do we ever why do we

646
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,400
compare year groups at all at
what that seems pointless for

647
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,500
that.
Exact reason you said, because

648
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:32,800
I've seen it every school I've
ever worked in and every school

649
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,900
I've ever heard of it happens.
Like it's completely normal.

650
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:39,300
There was one year where they
get 95% and there's like wow

651
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,800
look how well we did.
And that's always the exactly

652
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,100
how well we think that's teacher
the next year, they'll get 67

653
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:47,400
percent.
And it's know what you have to

654
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,700
say.
You have to say, if you said,

655
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,300
look how well we did.
Because of the 95%.

656
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,100
You have to then say next year,
look how badly we did.

657
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:55,900
Yeah.
But it does the same logic then

658
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,500
we go there.
Just below the cohort was lower.

659
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,500
They were lower.
Yeah.

660
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,300
I know I just I just think we
really have to take a step back

661
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,300
and just be like look, unless
something drastic has changed

662
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:07,100
Personnel is massively changed
or you know your schemes or

663
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,200
you're doing or anything like
that.

664
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,100
It unless you're looking at kind
of The tracking that year group

665
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:14,900
through year, 3 year, 4 year 5
based on averages it's

666
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:16,300
pointless.
It's just you're just going to

667
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,800
dig yourself a hole for when it
comes out, that eventually which

668
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,600
it will.
I actually don't think a lot of

669
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,200
people do.
I reckon a lot of teachers?

670
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,300
A lot of people in this
profession do genuinely, just

671
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,400
take that with a pinch of salt,
like comparing, but we do like

672
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,100
to talk about it for some
reason, but I think they do.

673
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,200
And yeah, I think my point more
was this?

674
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
These stats get pushed like they
put up on the washer percent in

675
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,700
reading but that they're,
they're like the simplification

676
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,600
of it and that Nuance,
absolutely.

677
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,100
It's of teachers, have that but
parents that don't necessarily

678
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,700
and I think some staff still
cling on to that as if well

679
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:48,800
that's our Benchmark.
And it's like well it's just not

680
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,700
though is it was a benchmark for
that cohort of children but

681
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,500
they're gone.
Now is a new coil children.

682
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,400
I think I had an old head
teacher of mine who I don't work

683
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,200
for any more made a really good
point.

684
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,700
And I really learned something
from him when he said this

685
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:04,100
because I did, I was quite new
to SATs and things at the time,

686
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:06,200
was actually my first year in
year six was all a whole new

687
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
world to me.
And I was fall into that trap of

688
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,300
being like super wide about the
Tara and like comparing it to

689
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,600
the last year and all that sort
of stuff and he said to me,

690
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,100
don't worry about all this.
Just stop worrying about this.

691
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,800
He's like the only thing that
matters is their progress data

692
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:25,600
on an individual level.
Yeah.

693
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,000
And I didn't know what you meant
and he really explained to me.

694
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,700
He was like look each child is
tracked and we track their

695
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:34,900
progress and basically I don't
know how much you know about

696
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,400
this Dylan but every child gate
basically gets Like A Plus or a

697
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400
minus number at the end of Key
Stage 2 to see how much progress

698
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,500
they've made.
Since Key Stage 1, and that's

699
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,900
tracked and that's what he cared
about and I was and I was like,

700
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:46,900
you know what, actually that's a
really good approach.

701
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,700
Yeah.
Okay.

702
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,400
Our data might, you might not be
so worried about our date of the

703
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,700
stuff that goes to the public
which we should care about.

704
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:57,100
Because like you said, entered a
wider Community do form opinions

705
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,400
on it so we can't not care about
it at all but from his point of

706
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,100
view for the children and for us
as teachers, it was way more

707
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,199
relevant to look at the
individual learning progress,

708
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,699
journey of those children and
identify children.

709
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,900
And our lower down on that
Journey, they're the children.

710
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,600
If you're going to put Focus
time into any children, it's not

711
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,600
the ones is not to like sneak
them into the next band.

712
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,199
Get them to expect it or get
into greater depth.

713
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:21,900
It's no.
Look at the children that need

714
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,600
more support because I'm not
making as much progress that,

715
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,699
you know.
That's what if you've got extra

716
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:28,100
resources, put them there
because those children are not

717
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,800
making enough progress.
And I really like that, I think

718
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,199
that that actually that data
does also get published but it's

719
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,600
just way more kind of dense and
harder to, you know, take in.

720
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,600
So you're absolutely right.
And I again, 99% of school.

721
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:43,000
As will use that as the metric.
Absolutely.

722
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:45,199
And actually, from my point of
view being lower down in the

723
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,300
school, it's something we use
looking at people progress

724
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,199
throughout their Journey.
So it's not something that we

725
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,600
kind of just ignore until you
six.

726
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,300
While God, wait, they need to
get to this one.

727
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,600
Yeah, progress.
We look at it now like okay.

728
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,300
Well, what was their key stage,
1 attainment, why they tracking

729
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,600
for what do they need to get?
Which children need an

730
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,300
intervention.
Yeah, and that's the more

731
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,400
holistic way to do.
It, isn't it?

732
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,300
Because it's a classic thing of
if you just look at the results.

733
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,900
He's going to go to your bottom
Chunk on you and think, well,

734
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:15,300
they're at the bottom, so they
need more.

735
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,500
They could be making rapid
progress and your children.

736
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,300
The middle could be stagnating
and not making the progress,

737
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:22,100
they need.
And it's really nuanced.

738
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:26,100
And I just think the simplistic
way sometimes frustrates me.

739
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,500
Because I just think, okay, it's
way more complex than I can

740
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,600
think of a good analogy actually
that just kind of summarizes the

741
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,000
flaws that we should be talking
about, right?

742
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:36,400
So if we had a cohort of
children that key stage 1, let's

743
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,300
say there are really really high
ability cohort and a key stage 1

744
00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:43,500
with 95% of them across the
board was sick, was achieving

745
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,600
expected.
And then at the end of Key Stage

746
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,400
2 in year 6, we get 90 percent
across the board which looks

747
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,200
like a great number by itself.
90% is a good number in the

748
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,000
teaching World versus another
cohort that came up from Key

749
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,900
Stage 1 at 40% across, the
boards are really low and then

750
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,300
they ended at 70%.
We'd celebrate generally in the

751
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,300
teaching culture in The Wider
Community with celebrate that

752
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:08,000
90% as like a wow, well done.
But whereas objectively

753
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,500
progress, wise, the other Data
has made way more progress and

754
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:15,300
we should be way more
celebratory of, you know, a

755
00:36:15,308 --> 00:36:17,400
co-worker children.
Going for 40 percent expected to

756
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,500
seventy percent expected.
That's that's much better.

757
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:23,500
And that I think, kind of
encapsulates the whole argument

758
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,000
we were just having quite
nicely.

759
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:28,800
I guess the last thing that was
really thinking about it comes

760
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,700
to mind.
Hopefully we've kind of

761
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,200
summarize what the status is and
you know, the arguments for it

762
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000
and the problems it might face
but very quickly.

763
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Children do actually a lot of
them and it's important to say

764
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,600
this because it's true, they do
Thrive off it.

765
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:45,400
They really do, they'll be
always be children who are

766
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,000
nervous about it.
We need to detail them, but

767
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,500
you're right.
There are children who love test

768
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:51,500
week.
They love having a go, it's what

769
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,700
they do.
It's almost for them like

770
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,400
playing a game of football.
I was speaking to a child today

771
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,400
I was having Lunch in the hall
with the children and he was

772
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,800
just expressing how excited he
was that the maths paper was

773
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,400
coming up and I just thought
that's lovely and, you know, we

774
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,200
don't need to, you know, put
that person down because we have

775
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,200
a view on sats made maybe that
we think as a whole perhaps

776
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,200
there's a better way that we
could be, assessing the

777
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
children, especially, you know,
Key Stage, 1 set, when they're

778
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,800
six and they're doing a year to
SATs.

779
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:20,700
But you know, it also, there is
a body of thought that these

780
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,400
tests prepare them for secondary
school, where tests become way

781
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,800
more important way.
More high stakes.

782
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,800
When it comes to GCSE, kind of
gives them a bit of a dry run.

783
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,600
And if they're going to have
that anxiety around testing, why

784
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,300
not have it at this point when
they are old enough to kind of

785
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,300
understand what's going on, you
know, that they're very mature.

786
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,800
Lot of the ten and eleven year
old who are doing it, get over

787
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
that hopefully earlier get the
help, they need the support they

788
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,800
need, but still do it.
And then when it comes to doing

789
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Secondary School tests, it's way
more kind of par for the course.

790
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,500
And, you know, they're more used
to doing it.

791
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,600
I can honestly say I have spoken
to loads of children this week

792
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,800
who are Just thoroughly enjoying
it, to be honest with you.

793
00:37:58,100 --> 00:38:00,400
I just saw they often enjoy, but
you know, it's like I said,

794
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,700
there's two sides to every coin.
There are children also that are

795
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:05,000
stressed and nervous and, and
that they're the children that

796
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,700
we kind of focus on sometimes
when we talk about negative

797
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:10,300
sides of SATs still an auto ask
you a question, is the question

798
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,900
I get asked all the time by your
success?

799
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,300
I don't know what your
recyclables.

800
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:17,600
Yeah.
Wait, it's coming up. 92% in

801
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,700
this podcast.
Now, of me being bold.

802
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,100
So I get asked this all the time
by the children and parents to

803
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,600
be fair.
I don't know what your answer

804
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,900
is, not.
Being the Essex teacher?

805
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,100
Are you over 45?
No, I made that one up, done.

806
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,800
It is and you probably you
probably heard as well.

807
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000
It is, what's the point of the
SATs?

808
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,200
What would be your response like
as well?

809
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,400
Okay, I'm not on your 62 point.
The set from my point of view,

810
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:49,700
the the three-point, the SATs.
Like we said it tracks

811
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200
children's attainment of how,
well, they know the key stage 2,

812
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000
curriculum in English and maths.
That's that's the base one.

813
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,300
It tracks their progress from
progress points in the key

814
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:03,500
stage, 1 sets up to Key Stage 2.
So that's I would say also it

815
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:08,000
adds kind of not hidden.
But a lesser known value.

816
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Let's say and we can talk about
the value of this, but it is

817
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,300
used for predicted grades.
Isn't it in secondary school?

818
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,200
It's used as a metric for that.
I know you go to secondary

819
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,100
school and lots of, you know,
schools will have their own way

820
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,700
of, you know, taking tests in
the first few weeks to set the

821
00:39:23,707 --> 00:39:25,100
children.
However they want to set them.

822
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Don't necessarily use your SATs
data, but that data is still

823
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,500
logged, a big event website and
it's still used for Progress.

824
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,300
Like we said, it's used for out
primary school and the key stage

825
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:35,600
2 sets.
We can see how much That

826
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,900
progressed that's just another
point in the scale where they

827
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:41,000
carry on learning in secondary
school and it's used again to

828
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000
track their progress.
Right?

829
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,000
But yeah that's basically what I
say to George and I just say

830
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,400
look I look at your key stage 1
Day to all the time just to make

831
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,100
sure that you know people are
getting to the right place.

832
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,900
If you came up and as greater
depths of those aren't listening

833
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,800
greater depth is kind of like
working, well above average in

834
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,100
an area.
Then I want to make sure, you

835
00:39:57,107 --> 00:39:58,900
know, you're being pushed in
your on track to get to Greater

836
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,000
depth still because that shows
good progress and I'll say the

837
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,500
same thing happens.
Now to your key stage 3,

838
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,300
teachers.
We'll have access to this data

839
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,200
and it gives them a snapshot
into like, you know, your

840
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,400
ability and and there will be
held accountable to make sure,

841
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,800
you know, ensure that you're
making progress through key

842
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,500
stage 3.
And that's the kind of the spill

843
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,300
I give to them.
But so often I get this, like,

844
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,000
they'll come and be like, yeah,
well my mom told me that it's

845
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,500
just for the school and
spellings of you don't really

846
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:23,900
need to do it.
Don't worry about it.

847
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
I get it all the time and part
of me is like, yeah, don't worry

848
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
about it then.
Because I'm not gonna put all

849
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,400
the pressure on you, you know,
I'll say to them what I just

850
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,400
said about.
Yeah, it's a little bit

851
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,800
important because it keeps you
keeps a straight.

852
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,100
But ultimately, Yeah, yeah, it's
for the school and we really

853
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,600
want you to do.
Well, you know, I we want, we

854
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,600
want to show off how well you've
done at our school.

855
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,800
And I'll just say that and they
usually like, well fair enough.

856
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:52,700
It was mostly for us because
it's right back to the beginning

857
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,100
of this conversation.
It is mostly for us because

858
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,200
we're paid on it.
Our schools judged on it.

859
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Okay?
Of course it's for us.

860
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,500
I really enjoyed that chat is
really good because as an

861
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:07,700
on-year, six teacher, but
someone in the primary school

862
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:10,100
setting, I know we're working
towards that and I know it's a

863
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:14,700
journey for the whole of Key
Stage, 2 and yeah, so thanks for

864
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:16,300
that.
I always find interesting when

865
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,700
staff, when it comes around to
search results SLT will make a

866
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,800
really nice concerted effort to
say but it's everyone's, you

867
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,700
know, it's the whole school
journey and it really is, but

868
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,800
even as someone who's not in
year six, I kind of sometimes

869
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,300
want to say, Yeah, but mainly
it's thank you.

870
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,900
So all you year, six teachers
out there.

871
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,000
Yes.
It's a whole Key Stage 2 thing.

872
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,500
But at the end of the day you're
the guys slogging away for that

873
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,100
final push and we appreciate you
but not Hayden but everyone else

874
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,600
we appreciate you was about to
say, thanks.

875
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,900
But not now.
Yes, you know you do, all right

876
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:48,600
pal.
You do it right.

877
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,100
You got feel time now for eight
weeks so I'm sure that with

878
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:54,600
plain yeah.
That's like I hope this in year

879
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,000
six teachers listening to this
thinking.

880
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,700
Yeah, posts that's life if the
the stress that's gonna wear a

881
00:41:58,700 --> 00:41:59,700
little bit.
We usually do.

882
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,500
Pharmacist, schools.
That's quite a common thing in

883
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:03,900
your six.
I don't know where that came

884
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,800
from, by the way, that's it's a
very bizarre thing, but it just

885
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,900
seems to be English culture.
That's lovely.

886
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,100
You're 61 like it performance or
something.

887
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,100
It's almost as if they said,
okay, I understand how much

888
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:14,500
we've been doing maths and
English.

889
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,500
Let's do something completely
different or going to do the

890
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,400
Arts, and I think it's lovely.
Just, you know, some children

891
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,400
really, really loved and it
Sparks something is true.

892
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,900
Someone said to me before,
because I was like, oh we

893
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:24,900
probably shouldn't do because
that's not like the curriculum

894
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,200
properly and they were like
yeah, it is.

895
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
But all we've done is we've
condensed a lot of the mass in

896
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,600
English into a slightly smaller
Smaller time frame, and probably

897
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,300
sacrifice some of those other
subjects but we're going to do

898
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:35,400
those.
Other subjects were not going to

899
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,400
miss them.
Out of the year.

900
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:39,100
We're going to do them more
afterwards and I was like OK

901
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,200
that kind of makes sense like
we're still covering the right

902
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,600
things which is doing them in a
different order and and the

903
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,600
spoken word is English, it's
still English and its drama its

904
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,800
social skills.
I think it's brilliant.

905
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,100
I think it's a really cool
thing.

906
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,500
And again, another step outside
the comfort zone.

907
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,400
I'm a big fan of controlled,
stepping out of a compass that

908
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,900
comfort zone and As a school, we
can do that to a degree.

909
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:04,100
In terms of, you know, it's
definitely comfort zone.

910
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,700
Doing the test, maybe feel a bit
anxious stepping over that

911
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:09,400
coping with it.
Getting the right help.

912
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,300
Get more, I support.
I think it's the same when it

913
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:14,400
comes to drama and won't, we did
a drama and secondary school,

914
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,700
massively helped my confidence,
a hugely and I loved it.

915
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,300
And it just, you know, I think
that's something we can do in

916
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,500
our job and that is as useful as
teaching them how to add a three

917
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,100
digit number and a seven digit
number.

918
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,300
In my opinion, fair enough, even
if we have this skewed idea of

919
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,800
value, You, because of the way,
the thing works, you're

920
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,400
absolutely right.
It is just as valuable.

921
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,300
So, moving onto another
conversation.

922
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,400
I just, I know we talked about
this all the time.

923
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,800
Our listeners might be like, a,
for God's sake over at this

924
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,600
point, but it's still relevant.
Okay, this we've had all the

925
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,900
strikes, obviously, you know, if
it's like your hair, this is

926
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,400
93%.
If you're listening to this way

927
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,400
in the future, then you might,
you know, might just be a

928
00:43:50,408 --> 00:43:51,500
distant memory now about the
strikes.

929
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,300
It might still be going on to
Missouri where the government

930
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,800
has taken this.
It, we might still be striking

931
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,000
for the next six years but make
no one's listening.

932
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,100
Now, never mind.
But Someone put a post on our

933
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,500
like a Facebook group by over a
week ago now, and I saved it

934
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,900
because I knew I wanted to talk
about it.

935
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,700
I should have read it to you,
right?

936
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,900
And I just think it just
highlights the what we were

937
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:11,900
talking about in a previous
episode.

938
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,300
Here we go.
This person said I'm 26, I've

939
00:44:14,308 --> 00:44:17,900
been teaching for 4 years.
Always wanted to be a teacher.

940
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,300
My question is has teaching
always been like this.

941
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:25,900
I have zero disposable income.
I work every hour, God sends, I

942
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,400
get good results, I work all the
time.

943
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000
I work hard.
Yet we can never seem to afford

944
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,200
a holiday.
I can't even pay off my student.

945
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,900
Overdraft, I can't even pay off
the interest of my student loan.

946
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:38,800
I barely have any money left at
the end of the month at school.

947
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,000
They have to ration glue sticks
as we talked about before.

948
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,100
And so, you know, the last 20
glue sticks until summer,

949
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,000
there's no scissors left and
they'll put and they said,

950
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,300
they'll probably just have end
up paying for our own pocket

951
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:53,100
because it's not worth the
hassle doing a school and they

952
00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:55,200
finish by saying I grew up under
new labor.

953
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,900
And I'm not saying my education
was perfect but I can remember

954
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:01,400
it being better than this.
I can remember not having to

955
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,300
rush and glue sticks and that
was the kind of Tyler we grew

956
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,300
up, you know, we grew up around
then and yeah, it was that was

957
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:09,100
when everything you came in and
we got smart boards.

958
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,000
We've got computer sweets, we
suddenly got those massive

959
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,400
Jungle Gym, things in the in the
playgrounds and in our school

960
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,500
halls and stuff.
And we didn't have to ration

961
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,500
this and that, and it was, you
know, this person is basically

962
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,300
saying it was a good time.
Was it always like this, like,

963
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,100
what was I under some sort of
Illusion and and, and they I

964
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,900
quit because that's just
ridiculous.

965
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:29,600
They can't afford.
So they need to go find another

966
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:35,500
job because it's not worth it.
It makes me feel so many

967
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,000
different like emotions
genuinely, because I don't care

968
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
will get political again because
it is political.

969
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Right?
Is political The Squeeze on this

970
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,500
public service that we live in
that.

971
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:54,000
We know because we literally
work, it has been so devastating

972
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,300
and it makes me so angry that we
don't collectively think as a

973
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,200
country that our children
deserve the absolute best, not

974
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,500
just what we can afford.
Ish because we can still afford

975
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,400
other stuff but I'm going to say
it's what we can afford.

976
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,400
Not what we kind of think is
okay.

977
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,100
No, I children deserve the
literal best and she's

978
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,000
absolutely right and it's not
gross tinted glasses.

979
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,900
It's the fact because I speak to
my parents about their time in

980
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,200
school and older people, and
they have very negative

981
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,000
connotations of school, usually,
because they used to get hit

982
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,600
around the head with a
chalkboard, not a chalkboard,

983
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,700
they get hit on the head there
and then, you know, they would

984
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:33,600
say how they just Skydive it.
Just rubbish.

985
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,300
That was the teachers, you know,
we're horrible to them,

986
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:38,600
etcetera.
My time in school was

987
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,600
unbelievable and we constantly
got new stuff and it wasn't like

988
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,400
a coincidence that I have such a
positive memory of school.

989
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,000
I don't think.
And I remember it, like, the

990
00:46:47,008 --> 00:46:49,400
computer sweets coming in.
Must have cost so much money

991
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,400
back then and she's right.
It's not a political thing.

992
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,500
No one can sit there and say to
me.

993
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,300
Oh, you're just a lefty woky
teacher.

994
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,200
You sharp.
Now, it's just true.

995
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,500
It's just a fact.
So if you can't deal with the

996
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:01,900
fact, you need to get over
yourself.

997
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,800
The amount of money.
Knee in schools right now.

998
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,300
He Doom.
Sorry is so much less and the

999
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:09,900
biggest worry I have.
I've talked to my friend about

1000
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:11,900
this every day, I'm genuinely
worried.

1001
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:15,800
Now that it's been so long of
cuts Cuts Cuts cuts, it is

1002
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,000
literally insurmountable like
the amount of money you'd have

1003
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,200
to now pour back in just to get
back to 2010 levels.

1004
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:26,700
Never mind, 1990s is actually no
longer no longer affordable.

1005
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,500
We are actually no longer
afford, we have been riding off

1006
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:32,500
of the back of all that money,
we pumped in the 90s for.

1007
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:35,100
So, Long.
Now, there's a reason that

1008
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:37,500
there's a whole mean culture
around house.

1009
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,300
Primary schools, look exactly
the same as they did 25 years

1010
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:42,500
ago.
Did you know, why?

1011
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,700
Because they look exactly the
same.

1012
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:48,200
As I did 25 years ago because
everything we got new then is

1013
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,100
still the things we use now
because we can't afford new

1014
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:53,600
stuff, you know?
It's the same.

1015
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,300
It's the same smart balls that I
got when I was a probably when I

1016
00:47:56,308 --> 00:47:59,400
was 10 that we use on the walls
now, you know, and then like you

1017
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,200
said, the amount of money, it
must have cost to go from

1018
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600
nothing to that.
That, you know, in such a short

1019
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,900
space of Time Versus the last 20
years, where we've barely barely

1020
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,100
upgraded these things and said,
oh, that's not enough money in

1021
00:48:10,107 --> 00:48:12,000
the budget, we got cut a bit
more.

1022
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:14,200
It's ridiculous with you're
right.

1023
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,400
We need so much money now to
actually go to the next level.

1024
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,400
You know, if we wanted to
school, look a bit different,

1025
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400
it's the same kind of thing, you
know, with any you saying and

1026
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,400
the junior doctors saying that
they're asking for the junior

1027
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,800
doctors asked for 35% pay, rise,
and the rationale behind it was

1028
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,700
because that gets them back to
2010 levels.

1029
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,000
And it, and someone said, is
that an unreasonable?

1030
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,000
Ask and the and the guy I
remember watching he's like, no,

1031
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:39,100
it's not unreasonable.
I've just completely reasonable

1032
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:41,400
to say.
Oh can I get paid the same as

1033
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,100
what I was getting paid. 12
years ago, please, it is.

1034
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,000
That is that okay?
Like that's completely

1035
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,500
reasonable, it may not be
realistic because of the state

1036
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,800
this country is in but it's
completely reasonable.

1037
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,900
Isn't it to say?
Oh, can I have the life that my

1038
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,600
parents literally had or is
actually going to be

1039
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,400
continuously harder for me?
Because if a society has a name

1040
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:02,700
at all, surely it's to make life
better as time goes on.

1041
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,600
Not to shoot itself in the foot
by voting for brexit and then

1042
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,200
pretending everything's fine
after.

1043
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,500
Oh, lots of pictures I had
today, I've got to say this

1044
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,400
right now.
God, the David Davis, the guy

1045
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,800
who used to be used to be the
brexit secretary for the

1046
00:49:15,808 --> 00:49:18,500
conservative party, big brexit
here.

1047
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:22,100
Some was basically listing off
this thing these things to him

1048
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,900
that's worse because of brexit
and it's not even you know where

1049
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,300
five years down, those six seven
years down the line.

1050
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,100
Now from brexit vote and four
years down the line from

1051
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:31,400
actually leaving or whatever it
is.

1052
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,400
Like there is actual data now
but it's not just a projection

1053
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,900
that life's going to get worse.
There's actually data now where

1054
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:40,800
it is life's got worse and it's
because of these things that

1055
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,300
came from brexit.
So this guy's reading off the

1056
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,700
list, you know the the cues in
Dover, the limited amount of

1057
00:49:46,707 --> 00:49:48,500
time you have over in the
European countries.

1058
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:52,600
Now the loss in trade the the
amount of money we've lost

1059
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,400
because it's no longer easy.
Just to trade with our biggest

1060
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,100
trading partner and his response
made me want to reach through

1061
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:02,900
the camera and give him a piece
of my mind because his Ponce was

1062
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,900
back in 2019 when they 2016,
sorry.

1063
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,600
George Osborne said that it's
going to cost each family, 4,000

1064
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,000
pounds brexit and that was the
scaremongering then and I went

1065
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,100
back to my house where there
were Builders working on a

1066
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:21,800
building site and one of the
build is said to me, 4,000

1067
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,500
pounds The Cost of Freedom
that's good by me.

1068
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:31,600
What?
Like I said, his response to the

1069
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,200
list of things that's worse
because of practice, it was.

1070
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:36,700
Yeah.
But people don't mind because

1071
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:39,800
it's their freedom, this one guy
and I this one guy, I met didn't

1072
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,000
mind, so everyone doesn't mind.
Yeah, it was probably, you know,

1073
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,100
I think he even said by the way
that he was like, the, the

1074
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,200
project manager, the guy, who's
probably on 90k doing this job

1075
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,800
for four grand, for our freedom,
what are you talking about?

1076
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:57,000
You're free.
Adam.

1077
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,500
What do what are you on about,
LOL, less free.

1078
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,100
Now make you have to work more
together.

1079
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,600
T around.
Yeah, what are you talking

1080
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,300
about?
Honestly, yeah, I just it

1081
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:09,800
Beggars belief.
It really does well relating

1082
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,400
back to that post that I read
you two things.

1083
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,700
Really?
I want to come back to student

1084
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:14,700
debt.
Maybe I'll talk about that

1085
00:51:14,707 --> 00:51:18,800
another time, but someone in my
family recently got into

1086
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,800
teaching and she's like, she's
really, really intelligent

1087
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,500
woman, and she bawled, she knows
she's not born yet.

1088
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:29,100
My family's both actually, okay,
Fun, Factory one.

1089
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,800
You might have thought that I
understand why people have

1090
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,300
assumed that.
But yeah, she's not because and

1091
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,800
94%.
So she recently got into

1092
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,100
teaching she qualified last year
and secondaries teaching

1093
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,700
science.
So I call a very important

1094
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:44,900
subject.
Science is something that people

1095
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:48,100
are screaming out for as well.
I saw some again, just a slight

1096
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,400
side point here, some of the
other day was talking about how

1097
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:54,100
their science department has not
been fully staffed for like

1098
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,300
eight years or something.
Like as they just cannot get the

1099
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:59,100
staff.
Half the specialists in to do is

1100
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:02,700
to teach science properly.
Why would you why exactly?

1101
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,100
And this one about to say,
proves exactly that because she

1102
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:08,400
did one year one year teaching
and then on reflection went.

1103
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Wow, this workload is
ridiculous.

1104
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,100
The pay doesn't remotely reflect
it.

1105
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,500
The media just despises us and
doesn't remotely show us in the

1106
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:19,000
right light.
So, see you later.

1107
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,500
I'm gonna go be a chartered
accountant.

1108
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,400
Exactly what I said before.
Skilled professionals the people

1109
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,400
we need because we want to Give
our children, the best

1110
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,700
education.
Don't want to do this job

1111
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,100
because they can get paid more
doing other things government.

1112
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,500
That's why we need more money.
It's not so that I can line my

1113
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,300
pockets.
It's to extract better people to

1114
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,400
this profession to teach the
future carried.

1115
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,700
You can line your pockets and
take a lot of pockets that is

1116
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:45,900
part of it.
Okay.

1117
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:50,700
But there's so much more to it.
I hate I hate the state of what

1118
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,400
we're in.
I i summarize why I strike.

1119
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,200
I remember this in last episode,
but it's my new go-to now

1120
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,400
because I've kind of I've kind
of tried to narrow down.

1121
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,300
Why I'm striking many when asked
me, and I'm striking to keep

1122
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:06,700
this job.
You know, you gotta remember the

1123
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:10,500
way you said it.
You forgot it to keep the job in

1124
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:14,100
the in the because the Builder,
I spoke to said the 4,000 pounds

1125
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:21,400
is worth.
The freedom is something by

1126
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,500
saying how I've really narrowed
it down to something.

1127
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:32,300
So say that I remember what you
said to make this job, something

1128
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,000
that you still want to do
basically like, Yeah, so that's

1129
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,800
it.
I've fought the word now that

1130
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,000
I'm striking because I want to
keep this job desirable for me

1131
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,500
to do.
I'm not, I'm not striking

1132
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,100
because I just am greedy and I'm
at all.

1133
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,200
I have a couple hundred quid.
Although it would be nice.

1134
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,900
Another couple hundred quid are
give her Pockets because I'm

1135
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:54,000
striking, because I want to want
to do this job.

1136
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,100
That's why I said, I'm striking
because I want to want to do

1137
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:02,300
this job and very soon, very
soon that want to do the job

1138
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,200
will be lower than the rear.
Mystic like what you said with,

1139
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,900
your family member, the
realistic liar of a job doing

1140
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:09,900
something else.
Exactly.

1141
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,600
Therefore less stress and more
money will very soon.

1142
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,500
Be overtaking it, if not
already, and I'm just kind of

1143
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:16,500
ignoring it.
Yeah, I fully agree that there

1144
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:18,000
is a point.
I know what my skill set is.

1145
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,100
And so do you because we're
eight years into this career, I

1146
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,800
know that my skill set is.
I know I'm capable of there is

1147
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,800
going to be a point eventually
where if this pay keep

1148
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,400
stagnating, I will be stupid not
to go and take the job.

1149
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,500
That pays double that requires
my skill set.

1150
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:31,800
Yeah, you know, that's that.
That's business.

1151
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,600
That's business baby, that's how
it works.

1152
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,500
But it is true, isn't it?
It's a pit of people always say

1153
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,100
and this is true because it's
why we're still here right now.

1154
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:41,000
Teachers Do It For the Love of
the year.

1155
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,100
We do it because we love the
job, and that is true.

1156
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,900
But there is a line.
There is a point in which people

1157
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,800
won't do that anymore, because
it's so silly to do it based on

1158
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,000
the workload in the pay that
they're they're obviously,

1159
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,800
they'll just go do something
else and be like, oh, it would

1160
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,000
have been nice to be a teacher,
but I'm not stupid.

1161
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,600
And I do want to pay for my
house that I live in.

1162
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,000
So I went and did this.
I'm going to became a chartered.

1163
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,800
Yeah, it's like there's certain
percentage.

1164
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,400
I'm not going to put a number on
it right now but you know, if

1165
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,200
someone offered me a 10%, pay
rise to go and do a job in an

1166
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,200
office somewhere that I thought
might be more boring.

1167
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,500
I absolutely wouldn't take it.
I'd be like now that's that's

1168
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:16,500
not the threshold, right?
There's just not.

1169
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,900
I do love this job.
I don't want to go into a new

1170
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:24,500
career path. 12 million pounds,
I'll be there when I, but my

1171
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,800
point is, you do when you are,
someone are, would you are, but

1172
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,700
you drink a cup of off Milk, 450
Equivalent know and you're like,

1173
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,900
well, okay, we did it for 1,000
pounds, but yeah, obviously 900.

1174
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,200
Yeah, you find that, they don't
read.

1175
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Find the line.
Jellify, the limit, I'm

1176
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,200
wondering what while it would be
in the job.

1177
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:44,200
I think, you know, it wouldn't
be that much though.

1178
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,100
It would just be enough to be
like, oh well, that's just,

1179
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,800
that's, that's going to make a
significant change to my life

1180
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,600
and my pay the government treat
us.

1181
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,600
Absolutely terribly.
And don't want to listen to us.

1182
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,000
I'll give us anything that's
remotely useful.

1183
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,000
So at what point do you say,
okay, I love this.

1184
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,400
Stop packing.
You know what I can point it as

1185
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,700
well.
It's a shame that, you know,

1186
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,200
opposites there's so many of us
that on an individual level.

1187
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,900
It feels like it doesn't really
make an impact, but I'd love to

1188
00:56:07,908 --> 00:56:11,200
be like cool by the way, really
skilled at this job, because I

1189
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,800
do it for eight years, I'm
leaving, and you're going to get

1190
00:56:13,808 --> 00:56:15,200
someone else in.
They might be as good as me.

1191
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200
They might not be good luck with
a gamble, I'm gonna go do

1192
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,300
something else.
Like I always put your but that

1193
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,100
they don't care because they
will just, you know, get someone

1194
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:22,600
else.
But you do, I don't care.

1195
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,500
Because I'm getting now.
And again, I'll guys I don't

1196
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:27,800
think, well, I'm saying this.
I'm not detrimental to eat it.

1197
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,900
EC T's at all.
We absolutely.

1198
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,100
Lee Thrive off, these amazing
young people who come into our

1199
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,700
profession but they are you just
need the balance of them and if

1200
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:40,400
we are constantly swapping
extremely experienced Primary

1201
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,800
School staff for ects constantly
rate which is outstripping, then

1202
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,800
our profession becomes more
inexperienced, there's not

1203
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,300
enough people for you guys to
learn off.

1204
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,000
There's not enough people for
you to inspire us again because

1205
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,100
that keeps us fresh when.
When when new teachers come in,

1206
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,500
I love it.
I love talking to them because

1207
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:59,500
they have these ideas that I had
five years ago.

1208
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:01,300
That's slow.
Olli of just eroded because I'm

1209
00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:04,700
more concentrate on the job now
and it's just like a breath of

1210
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:07,900
fresh air, but you need that
kind of synergy you need that

1211
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:10,200
right balance.
And the more that we take away

1212
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,300
those experienced teachers it's
just going to have a detrimental

1213
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:17,900
effect in a profession.
Okay.

1214
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:21,200
So I've got story was a message
in a couple of weeks ago but

1215
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,600
obviously where I need to get a
chance to say now so Hayden.

1216
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,800
It's just a story from the
classroom, one of the classic

1217
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,000
ones, we love it because as well
this person's wrote it in a way

1218
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,200
where I can just read off the
phone because that's always good

1219
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,500
here.
Is guys, there is got my little

1220
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,500
story in a single unified.
You're going to sing the jingle

1221
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:40,000
to throw some Carson.
Now that we've got video audio,

1222
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:41,300
okay?
He's ready.

1223
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,900
Here we go.
Yeah, stories from the

1224
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,200
Classroom.
If you've got a story for us and

1225
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,400
it's really funny tell us the
story and we will give you money

1226
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,500
money, not guaranteed.
The fact that you did just make

1227
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,800
that up is quite impressive nice
and long again, fits with our

1228
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,800
podcast.
I'm not finished.

1229
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,700
That was a dramatic interlude,
right?

1230
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,100
God, I've buzzing for a story.
Have another story ages.

1231
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,000
Okay, this is a good one, this
is good.

1232
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,500
So okay, let me set the scene,
so I'm the teacher now.

1233
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:18,100
Okay?
Okay, right right, this isn't my

1234
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:19,900
thory.
Obviously, this is someone that

1235
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:21,600
I'm pretending to be.
Here we go.

1236
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,600
Let me set the scene re day.
We do a full day focused around

1237
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,900
one element of Let just
education for us.

1238
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,700
We're learning about Islam to be
specific.

1239
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,800
We're actually learning about
the prophet Muhammad and his

1240
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,000
important to the Islamic faith.
A sensitive subject.

1241
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:43,400
Something you need to approach
with maturity and respect one

1242
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,700
boy in my class, lovely.
As he is likes to think he's a

1243
00:58:46,707 --> 00:58:50,400
bit of a Class Clown at times
and he likes to play up to an

1244
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,300
audience.
He'd spent most of the morning

1245
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:56,000
trying to call out little quips
and make jokes here and there

1246
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,100
that he thought to be hilarious
such as in response to my

1247
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,700
question.
Okay, what do we know about

1248
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:02,400
Muhammad?
He'd reply?

1249
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,100
O Muhammad Salazar?
Well, good footballer, classic

1250
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,200
response.
Trying to be funny anyway after

1251
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,600
a while of trying to humor his
attempts of being funny, it was

1252
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
beginning to get irritating, we
know that feeling right when

1253
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,800
someone just won't let it go,
you kind of give them an inch

1254
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,800
and they take a mile and you're
like oh I shouldn't have done

1255
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,700
that in the first place.
So after its attempts, trying to

1256
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,300
be funny trying to humor him, it
was beginning to get irritating

1257
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:28,000
and it was more importantly,
detracting from the learning now

1258
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,300
so it's distracting other
children.

1259
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,900
So he'd explained.
Sorry.

1260
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:36,500
It, her patients was waning, I'd
explained the role of a prophet.

1261
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:38,300
Was to spread the message of
God.

1262
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,600
Up goes the boy's hand again
after me telling him to stop.

1263
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,200
What he's up to.
So tentatively I asked him what

1264
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,100
he wanted to say and his reply
was so Muhammad's a bit like

1265
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,400
Hermes then at this point I was
done.

1266
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,400
I held in my desire to shout out
it's not even Hermes.

1267
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,100
Now the delivery service it's
called every and I told him to

1268
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:01,000
stop trying to be funny and
focus on what we're learning

1269
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,400
about sheepishly.
He stopped talking and looked at

1270
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,400
me like I done something wrong.
Our girl, the angel child put

1271
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,600
her hand up so the profit is a
little bit like the Greek God

1272
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,900
Hermes.
This point I realized that my

1273
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:20,200
class Cloud, that's that my
class clown had been making the

1274
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,400
most meaningful Learning Link to
their prior learning of the

1275
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,100
Greek gods.
Thank you wanted made all day

1276
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,500
and that ever done before, and I
absolutely register in front of

1277
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,300
the whole class for it public.
That's a classic thing.

1278
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,500
Jumping the gun.
They just had a whole, you know,

1279
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,300
God said he was making this
unbelievable.

1280
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,100
Cross-curricular link.
Stop it.

1281
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:42,800
Stop that howdy.
It's not even called that's

1282
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,700
called every now.
Luckily the teacher didn't say

1283
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:48,900
that they just they managed to
hold that energy Spike.

1284
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:51,600
Stop, stop doing that.
But it's absolutely crap me out

1285
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,600
there and it made me think of so
many times before in the

1286
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,800
classroom I've done it before
like to the extremes as well.

1287
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:00,400
Where a child will say put the
hand up and said, how can I go

1288
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,700
to the toilet?
I'm like, yeah, sure.

1289
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:02,800
A middle of doing something.
Yeah, sure.

1290
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,400
They stand up.
Walk across the classroom and I

1291
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:12,000
go, why don't you see?
And they just got you just said,

1292
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,600
I could go to the toilet and
I've said it before.

1293
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:17,200
Did I they say yes?
I'm like, okay, so the point

1294
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,100
now, where someone could just
say to me, I'd be like, wait to

1295
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:21,400
see.
They could literally just say to

1296
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:22,100
me.
Oh, you just told me.

1297
01:01:22,107 --> 01:01:23,300
I'll go to the toilet and I
believe them.

1298
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,000
Okay.
Yeah, a few weeks ago, I had a

1299
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:31,000
very similar situation, right?
I've boy in my class, who is who

1300
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,400
can sometimes get himself in
trouble but he's nice enough

1301
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,100
boy, he wanted to show his work.
To the Head teacher, he doesn't

1302
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:38,800
make it work.
I was like.

1303
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,500
Yeah, awesome.
But I was kind of in the middle

1304
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:42,000
of doing something.
When he asked I think I was like

1305
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,200
getting the register ready or
something.

1306
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,400
So I can I go and she can, I go
show this to head?

1307
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Teacher was like, yeah,
brilliant course.

1308
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:47,700
Yeah, go on off.
You go.

1309
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:48,900
Yep.
Carried on doing the things I

1310
01:01:48,908 --> 01:01:53,400
was doing and then he came back
into class like a 55 minutes

1311
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,400
later and I instantly went.
Oh, why are you coming back in

1312
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,600
late thinking that he'd like
interesting out during lunchtime

1313
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,600
or something and he'd been
naughty and he's hope, you know

1314
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,500
that he's coming back into class
because the head teacher sent it

1315
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:08,200
back as I want.
I was putting on my Stern faces

1316
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,700
to be like, you know, really
disappointed that, but, you

1317
01:02:09,707 --> 01:02:11,400
know, I've been bad behavior
choice.

1318
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:13,200
And he really sheepish.
He's went.

1319
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,800
I was just asking, I was just
using my work and I was like,

1320
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,300
oh, of course I did.
I'm so sorry.

1321
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,600
I'm so sorry.
Importantly, I literally just

1322
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,000
apologized.
I'm really sorry.

1323
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,200
I don't know why I jumped at you
like that, and that's the other

1324
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,700
thing I thought about.
When I read that story, I was

1325
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:32,300
like, I think that's so
important to the children and it

1326
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,600
jokes aside about.
I made that mistake on purpose.

1327
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,200
I think when you do something
like that, Because that is a

1328
01:02:37,207 --> 01:02:38,400
position of power there, isn't
it?

1329
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,400
And you've got the power and you
can, you know, tell someone off,

1330
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,800
because you're in charge.
I think when you do that

1331
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,500
incorrectly and wrongly, I think
it's so powerful.

1332
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:50,000
Just to say, to the children,
oh, I'm really sorry.

1333
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,800
That was my, I was wrong.
Yeah, you've done nothing wrong.

1334
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:55,400
I'm sorry rather than brush it
off because I think as soon as

1335
01:02:55,408 --> 01:02:57,900
you brush it off you kind of
lose that respect then yeah

1336
01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:00,500
church is later on down the
line.

1337
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,100
So when you when you have to
actually tell them it's going to

1338
01:03:04,107 --> 01:03:06,400
hold more weight when you say no
no no you do.

1339
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,400
You have to stop doing that
because of this and that

1340
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,200
children, like you said you
mentioned it earlier but they're

1341
01:03:10,207 --> 01:03:13,000
more mature than you think they
cleverer than you think they are

1342
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,400
at the age.
They are they might seem like

1343
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,700
small and cute and silly
sometimes what they say.

1344
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:21,000
But with those sorts of things
they're not silly, they do know

1345
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,600
when you're clearly just liking
it and you actually just wrong

1346
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:24,500
and you're embarrassed, you
don't?

1347
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:26,200
You just want to get it.
So I agree.

1348
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:28,000
Always add up to your mistakes
honest.

1349
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,400
Unless you are having a literal
that exact a joke that we

1350
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,500
mentioned, where you pretend
that you're making a mistake,

1351
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,200
it's a massive mistake.
On the board is different is

1352
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,400
that you having a laugh?
But we've All mistakes that you

1353
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,100
make, yeah.
Okay.

1354
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:40,900
You might be a bit embarrassed
because you just made a mistake

1355
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,100
in front of 30 kids, say, sorry,
and own up to it because even if

1356
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:46,900
they go that I promise you, they
won't do it for many times.

1357
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:48,900
They might find it funny.
The first time we teach men

1358
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,300
mistake once or twice though,
but again there anymore, who

1359
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,300
cares?
If you're a bit embarrassed that

1360
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:57,600
that's a feeling people feel.
Sometimes they would feel

1361
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,100
embarrassed because you wrongly
told them that they did

1362
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:02,300
something, they didn't exactly
just just own up to it.

1363
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:06,200
I'd something today, very
similar where, you know, I had

1364
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,300
to Remind someone of the right
behavior in class A few times in

1365
01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:12,700
a row, someone that doesn't
normally need reminding.

1366
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,100
And they, when I when I then
said, okay, look, you've done

1367
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:20,600
this this, this repeatedly and
you're really letting me down

1368
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,000
here and add a little bit of
spiel about how, you know, I

1369
01:04:23,008 --> 01:04:25,900
don't expect that from from
anyone, especially I must say,

1370
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:27,700
I've never expected from you,
something like that, you know,

1371
01:04:27,707 --> 01:04:30,100
that kind of just saying, this
is unacceptable though.

1372
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,600
And I've never had to use this
kind of tone with you before,

1373
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,400
but that needs to stop.
Yeah, and I loved it.

1374
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,900
Because immediately this child
said, I'm really sorry and they

1375
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:42,700
really meant it.
And I was like that that right

1376
01:04:42,700 --> 01:04:45,500
there that moment of them
saying, sorry is the exact

1377
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:47,400
reason why?
As as teachers we need to be

1378
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,300
apologetic and say, sorry,
because that was really nice

1379
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,000
because, you know, what children
do their children.

1380
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
They're a bit, you know, upset
about something.

1381
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,600
I don't like being told off and
they won't say, sorry.

1382
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,500
They'll just kind of go into
their own little introspective

1383
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:01,400
cave and be like or say, oh, it
wasn't me do the opposite and

1384
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,700
just kind of reflect anything.
But that moment of this child

1385
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:06,100
saying, oh, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry.

1386
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:07,800
Mister Price.
I was like, cool.

1387
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,800
It's over.
Now it immediately over.

1388
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,600
I feel much better.
Thank you so much.

1389
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,400
You still might have to do this
for me, my have to do that

1390
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,600
because you did cross the line
too much, but I made a huge

1391
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,000
point of big and I said, thank
you.

1392
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,800
I really appreciate that and I
thought that was really a model

1393
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,300
of it.
Saying, sorry isn't just the

1394
01:05:23,308 --> 01:05:25,700
thing is actually, thank you,
but you knew worse.

1395
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:27,900
Yeah, I know, we're going to end
of our podcast.

1396
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:29,900
I've got one sort of
heartwarming but just a nice

1397
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:31,400
thing that happened actually
this week that I have just

1398
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:32,800
thought of based on your story
there.

1399
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:34,600
I'm going to share with you.
But before I do that, if you

1400
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,500
want to write in your story,
These, we've got something funny

1401
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,900
to share, even if you think, oh,
maybe it's not funny, right?

1402
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:40,700
It in any way.
Okay.

1403
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:42,100
If we think it's rubbish, we
won't read it.

1404
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,600
All right, so don't worry about
it, I'm joking, I'm joking, I'm

1405
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,700
joking we won't but you can
write into us at our dinner, I'm

1406
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:51,100
gonna get it wrong again.
You've heard some if you've

1407
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:52,200
heard some of the stories we've
read.

1408
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,500
Yeah, there's a pretty low bar,
right dinner?

1409
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:58,000
Correct me if I'm wrong, is I'm
terrible.

1410
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,800
Because you know why did I just
say that?

1411
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,000
I know.
I'm never going to learn so our

1412
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,400
Instagram.
Not that.

1413
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,600
No, it's teach sleep.
Repeat pod.

1414
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:14,000
No past, just do it.
Ellen just do it right.

1415
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,900
Instagram.
Teach, sleep, repeat podcast.

1416
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,100
Email.
Is that repeat part at,

1417
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:19,700
gmail.com?
What you've got to remember?

1418
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:22,500
Hayden, yeah.
Is I made it longer when it was

1419
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:24,200
shorter when it didn't have the
end rhyme.

1420
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:25,100
That's what I was trying to
think.

1421
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,200
And I couldn't remember what you
said.

1422
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,700
So the bulk of it is longer when
there's no Gmail at the end.

1423
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,100
Okay, so Hayden, what it?
Tell the viewers and listeners,

1424
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:35,900
and the creeps and where We're
going to call you.

1425
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:37,500
It's quite grown name.
I'm staring at you.

1426
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,200
Now, if I swear, I swear if
you're watching this right now

1427
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,900
and you see me staring into your
soul, I can't believe you just

1428
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:45,900
sit for an hour and watch this
video of us just sitting here.

1429
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:48,200
I appreciate you.
But I don't know what you think.

1430
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,800
You could tell your friends and
come watch it.

1431
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:53,600
You could tell them I wouldn't
yeah after I wouldn't but you

1432
01:06:53,607 --> 01:06:56,400
could because we do want more
people to watch and listen.

1433
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:58,700
So, that would be nice.
I'm not gonna embarrass

1434
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:00,400
yourself.
Didn't you said, what the, the

1435
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,900
handles are?
And I'm not gonna do it, I'll do

1436
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:03,500
it.
I'll practice for next week, but

1437
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:05,000
I'm going to finish up with a
little story, okay.

1438
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,800
It's just really it's basically
continuing from the

1439
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,000
conversation.
We just had so sorry for

1440
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,800
completely ruining the flow.
I had today, I spoke to somebody

1441
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:16,600
that I teach and I had a really
nice conversation based on a

1442
01:07:16,607 --> 01:07:19,500
reflection of a conversation.
We'd had three four months ago,

1443
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:21,400
right?
And this is a child who

1444
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,700
continuously continuously gets
himself in trouble.

1445
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:27,700
I particularly like this child
and I think they're a lovely

1446
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:30,600
lovely young person, but they
always seem to get themselves in

1447
01:07:30,607 --> 01:07:33,300
trouble like wrong place, wrong
time and also just doing silly

1448
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:35,500
things all this, we all know the
type that Tweet.

1449
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:38,200
And, and as your 6, I found that
I could have with particular

1450
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,300
children, if I sort of identify
their maturity, as a being quite

1451
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:44,100
mature, I will have this
conversation with them, right?

1452
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,400
If I won't do it with younger
because I don't think it's

1453
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,000
beneficial yet.
And basically, I sat down with

1454
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,600
him and he'd been like, sent
out, or something like that.

1455
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,300
And I happened to be walking for
our side past.

1456
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:55,000
I said, why are you know what's
going on?

1457
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,300
You've been set out again and he
had a bit of a bit of a tear

1458
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:01,500
and, you know, we had it with a
chat and I just explained to

1459
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,800
him, that reputation is
important.

1460
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,800
I need because we have this
thing of like do, yeah, everyone

1461
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,000
is be treated the same on this
be treated the same, but I just

1462
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,900
broke it to the him in the, in
the real world.

1463
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:15,500
By the way, everyone just has a
reputation and whether you like

1464
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:17,800
it or not, you'll be treated
differently differently based on

1465
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
our reputation.
Not necessarily on purpose,

1466
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,600
that's when it gets into problem
area.

1467
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:23,800
But subliminally, people will
treat you differently.

1468
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:27,399
And I said, do you think maybe
the reason that you know, you've

1469
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,500
been caught or whatever doing or
sent out so quickly recently of

1470
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:32,899
these lessons?
Because he was really frustrated

1471
01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:34,899
that other people have done what
he did, but he will send out.

1472
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,500
Out.
I said, yeah, because your

1473
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:37,899
reputation is not good at the
moment.

1474
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:40,800
People have got shorter fuses
with you and they don't mean to

1475
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,800
do it, but people have got short
of users with you because of

1476
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,700
your reputation recently where
you have been doing silly

1477
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:46,700
things.
You've been making silly

1478
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:50,000
decisions at any possible
opportunity, and I had this

1479
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
conversation with him and he did
really understand.

1480
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,600
He was like, yeah, okay.
That makes sense.

1481
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,300
They're not just picking on me
because that's what people think

1482
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:58,899
all that teachers picking on me.
No, they're not, they didn't

1483
01:08:58,899 --> 01:09:01,600
even think about it.
It's just, that your reputation

1484
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:03,899
has led them to believe that
you've done something silly

1485
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:04,899
quicker, maybe that they would
do.

1486
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,700
The child that never gets in
trouble.

1487
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:09,300
Never gets in trouble, they've
got more leeway because they've

1488
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:14,200
got a good reputation and since
then this particular child has

1489
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,200
really thought about it and came
up to me today and said, mrs.

1490
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,899
Stephens have you noticed I was
like what?

1491
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,100
I've been in a lot less trouble
recently as I do.

1492
01:09:23,100 --> 01:09:25,300
That's really good.
He was like my reputations

1493
01:09:25,300 --> 01:09:31,100
getting better, isn't it?
It is it is getting better.

1494
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,600
Well done.
You like people people and I

1495
01:09:33,608 --> 01:09:34,899
said and you get a fresh start
you know?

1496
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,700
When you go to your next school,
you're gonna get a fresh start,

1497
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:40,000
and your, you know, your
reputation is whatever you

1498
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,399
choose to 4G.
I said, but so I'm so proud of

1499
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,500
you for right now, trying to
better your reputation.

1500
01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,899
So that people don't treat you
in a different way automatically

1501
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:51,800
based on their experiences if
you in the past and I was really

1502
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,200
really proud of him.
And I was so impressed.

1503
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,300
That you know I thought that was
part of it at the time frame the

1504
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:58,200
conversation is like it did.
None of this is going and he's

1505
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,700
just thinking he's just annoyed
that you got sent out but

1506
01:10:00,700 --> 01:10:03,200
really, really listen to it.
And that just made my day and

1507
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,900
that's what those and again we
talk about those reasons.

1508
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,900
I love this job and why I
wouldn't go into an office job

1509
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,100
for, you know, ten percent more
money.

1510
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,700
It's those little, those little
moments like that.

1511
01:10:12,700 --> 01:10:15,100
I try telling Steve from
accounts, those reputations bad,

1512
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,500
you won't change it.
Exactly.

1513
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:19,100
When you get out, you're
arrogant by then stubborn.

1514
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,100
This kid I listened and I loved
that moment and I hope it wasn't

1515
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,700
pretty.
Sorry no.

1516
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:26,600
Did it really did actually that
was really nice.

1517
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,600
In fact, if I was standing
assembly, now I'd be crying, but

1518
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,500
I'm not, but now that's that's
lovely and and it is I'm just

1519
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:37,300
going to kind of one thing.
With that, it is so true and

1520
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:40,100
it's nice to teach them that
kind of personal accountability.

1521
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,300
A sometimes we could fall into
the Trap of pointing at everyone

1522
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:48,200
else, and being like, you're
doing this wrong to me, which as

1523
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,100
you said is really important,
because sometimes it is way past

1524
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,900
the line discrimination, all
that kind of stuff, it's

1525
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:56,500
completely wrong than them.
And there's no victim blaming at

1526
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:59,200
all there, but if someone has a
pattern of getting themselves

1527
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,100
into trouble because of choices,
they're making such a powerful

1528
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,500
thing, you've opened up for him.
There is to think he has

1529
01:11:04,500 --> 01:11:06,700
control.
Over that and he seen the

1530
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:09,000
benefits.
And, you know, that's the kind

1531
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,700
of thing in 5, 10, 15 years, he
might still remember.

1532
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:16,400
And like you said, you're going
to maybe remember that story and

1533
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,700
that's why this job is amazing.
And if you notice, I will say

1534
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:22,900
that I'm really careful of and I
talked about this sort of thing

1535
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:25,800
because if you're not are the
right, sort of maturity, I can

1536
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,200
understand why.
Child might just go ahead and

1537
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,500
say let's teach us, I've got a
bad reputation and they're

1538
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:32,100
picking on me for it because he
has to be have to be really

1539
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:33,300
careful because that's not what
it is.

1540
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:35,300
Like you said that, you know,
There is it?

1541
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:37,900
There is a fine line between
having a bad reputation and

1542
01:11:37,900 --> 01:11:40,500
actually people just being
discriminatory towards you for

1543
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:43,600
whatever reason, so you don't
want to teach a child that if

1544
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,700
you're being discriminated
against, it's okay, it's your

1545
01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:47,700
fault.
Like that's a really, really,

1546
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:49,900
really bad thing to teach be.
So true cannot do that.

1547
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:52,300
But the idea of reputation, I
think he was old enough to

1548
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:55,200
understand it and it all stems
from my experience at school.

1549
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:57,300
I did the same thing.
I did the thing I was at

1550
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secondary school and I'd always
come home.

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I was that annoying kid, I'll be
like, yes, he's picking on me.

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Teach picking on me.
They sent me out because I did

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this.
Our children.

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I was always like that and
looking back at it, I feel like

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such an idiot is that, of
course, they sent me out is

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because I messed around 50 times
in the in the previous four

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weeks, do you know what I mean?
So I've yeah, of course they had

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a shorter fuse of me because I
constantly showed them that I

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was a nuisance.
They won't pick it up and it's

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all your still insufferable.
So we will end the podcasts

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there.
Thanks for listening.

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See you next week, guys.