Ep 13: The Problem With The Primary Curriculum

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Hello, valued customers and
listeners.

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Welcome back to this week's
episode of teach seat, repeat

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with your host Bill and price
and me Hayden.

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Sorry I was put off you.
Okay, yeah, I'm fine.

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I just, you know, I take things
to heart and when last week you

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mentioned the fact that I've
started every podcast with the

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exact same thing.
I just thought I'm gonna freshen

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out this week, going to be a
robot, I'll just be rubber thing

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for me smile.
Yeah, that was great.

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I loved it.
Listen, if you're gonna force me

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to break my habits of a
lifetime, then you're gonna have

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to put up with me thinking about
every single syllable that I say

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it out loud.
Okay.

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Yeah, but in so you remove the
energy and thought, Oh, I'll

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just deliver it like this
instead.

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Well, I think we should go back
to the old one.

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I hate to admit it, Dylan, but I
liked the old one better.

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Thank you.
And again, people at home

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listening, they don't see every
single week.

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Hayden always comments, because
I do the same hand gestures as

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well.
And when we're getting ready to

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go, we kind of line up our audio
recordings.

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Lot of people have asked this,
by the way, do we record in the

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same room?
A lot of people have asked me

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and we don't, we are recording
this remotely and Away.

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Clearly ha, ha ha.
Yes, I don't know why we would

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possibly lie about that, that we
don't.

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Yeah, I've been asked the same
question, by the way.

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Quite a few people and have been
shocked every time, and I say

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no.
Hmm, different rooms different

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rooms.
Anyway, most boring startup

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podcast ever.
Let's line it up, shall we?

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Let's go straight in.
I know the viewers, I call them

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viewers, they don't watch, I
guess they watch a real every

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now and then listeners want to
know Hayden, they feel invested

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in your life.
You better give them a really

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cool story.
What's going on on this week?

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That's nice.
I like that.

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I mean it's been a pretty A
bog-standard week.

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However, there's one highlight.
That is, you know, it's

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hopefully make you laugh.
I was on duty playground and oh,

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you're laughing already.
I thought that was that wasn't a

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funny bit?
No, no, that wasn't then it

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starts laughing at you actually
remembering to go for Duty.

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That's quite a fight.
Yeah, touche touche, fair

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enough.
I'll take that.

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So I was outside.
Do my usual was skating around

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making sure I was getting on.
Alright, get caught, you know,

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to stop sorry, flight attendant
to a cockney.

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You know, I respect that the
respect that the order of the

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peaky blinders, now, get off the
jungle gym.

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Yeah.
Mysterious, he's coming.

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He's coming.
He's coming.

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And that really they just carry
on doing anything like I'm not

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there.
So what's it?

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The further back the playground
she's checking in on with kids

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and rough-and-tumble all over
the place and I saw, I sort of

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had to interview, you know, he's
just get really close to kids to

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make them aware that to be,
like, come on, you need to stop

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doing what you're doing, but I'm
not gonna say anything.

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And one of them came up to me, I
don't know.

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This child and a younger group,
obviously, in your group and

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said to me, ah, right, Lord,
Baal Deluxe, firstly.

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I was like, let's say, got you
have just, I was coming over

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here because you were there,
messing around a little bit.

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I'm trying to put my Stern face
on but then I was more annoyed

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that he got it wrong.
So all I did was correct this

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child.
I said, excuse me, but I did it

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with dead stern-faced, right?
So he really did not know how to

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react.
It's I don't think he actually

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process the fact that I was
joking.

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That's it.
Scuse me that's Lord Voldemort

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to you and he apologized for
getting my name wrong as if it

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was my real name.
Oh sorry, I didn't realize this

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Baltimore.
Brilliant.

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So thanks Dylan for, I've
trained them.

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Well I wonder if I were teachers
this thing.

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You have that same that same
kind of phenomenon of the one

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place in everyone's playground
where people seem to the kids

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seem to think of anything.
She's proper rough-and-tumble.

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She's uh, Corner, you know, just
out of the site, maybe of the

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people who are on duty.
And, but there's this, there's

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always that one place and you
just you walk over there and

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there's 17 kids on top of each
other.

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Just bundling.
It was like cold.

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Stop that please.
And I'll sorry didn't realize

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they realize what that did is
thing that you tell us every

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single day when I allowed to do,
and if you notice nothing, tell

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them every single day not to do
and I've written a lot of

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schools.
I like this but we have like

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equipment at lunchtimes.
We don't really get equipment, a

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break times just because it can
be a bit of a faff.

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So break times isn't uh, you
know, just go have fun and of a

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la casa, get a bit of fresh air.
But one of our one of our school

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rules is please don't take out a
pair of gloves and start kicking

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it around as a football.
Please don't take out a water

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bottle and start kicking it
around.

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And basically, please don't play
football break time every single

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week.
I'm out there and I feel like

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this, is it just me?
I have to remove something.

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Whether it's a Pringles lid or a
piece of bark.

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Well, it's the most random
things this week.

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It was, it was a, it was a
badge, a badge, that's key.

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I was like they saw me come in
and they will start at.

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That wasn't me, I wasn't
playing.

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I wasn't actually playing.
I was watching.

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It's like yes, no I work.
You were, can you stop playing

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football with the badge?
I wonder.

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I wonder if we could get our
teacher friends.

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Who listen to this podcast to
tell us the most random thing

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being used as a football because
they will find anything.

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Anything they will use anything
tubule.

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I've seen.
Yeah, I've seen before a shoe,

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I've seen before a jumper, and I
saw them try and fold it into a

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ball shape, and kind of, you
know, tie the arms around each,

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They kicked it once and it fell
apart and they can't.

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I tell you, one of the funniest
things ever happened on the

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playground and it's funny.
It's one of those funny things

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where you can laugh about it
afterwards but as a teacher in

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the moment you had to not laugh
and it was so hard because it

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was actually for your know,
those ones.

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It's terrible was naughty, but
it was funny and it was a shoe

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right at the kids were playing
football with a shoe.

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One of the kids just had one
shoe on and they were just

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running around as you do and and
obviously, I never come on.

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No, don't do that.
Like, don't play football with

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that.
And I Promise you this happened,

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right?
Is this kid this other child?

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Who is it?
Wasn't his shoe.

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Picked up the shoe and just
nonchalantly.

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Lobbed it.
Onto the roof of the school.

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I was right, right there.
I was right there, but he did it

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as if I'd walked off.
Like he like I wasn't much

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anybody.
Yeah.

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All right.
That just lobbed on to answer,

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what what are you doing?
And it's other kids that looking

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at Shoe, like what I just I
couldn't believe it happened.

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It was It has but not hilarious.
Yeah, as well, that reminds you

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of the episode of the office
when they lose the quiz and

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veggies, there you guys are back
a free shoe over the roof.

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Yeah, that's the real quiz.
That's the real quiz and that's

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one of you for you guys out
there who've watched the office

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if you haven't ignore that last
20 seconds.

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But an excellent that's not
right.

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Dillard.
If they haven't go and watch it

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because it's a fantastic show
that.

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Yeah, you should have said.
It's the real quiz is the real

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quick but that's my weak.
Anyway.

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Digress into other stories.
Anything interesting coming from

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you?
I guess that nothing, like,

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outlandish quite a normal week,
but there was one thing that

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happened that kind of did spark
my memory of a previous

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discussion, we had in the Pod
and, and remember, one of it was

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one of the first weeks now and
we're just veterans at this what

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we at now episode 67, something
like that.

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One of the earlier episodes, we
talked about winning and losing

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and primary school and how
there's this whole perception

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that in primary school.
Maybe we're raising a bunch of

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to quote, the word I hate,
because it usually means people

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who care about things snow.
Flakes.

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Like, you can't lose basically,
everyone's a winner kind of

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thing.
And we talked about how that's

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not true, we do celebrate
success.

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We also just take into account,
you know, that people have

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individual feelings and if that
makes the snowflake then, I'm so

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sorry, guys.
But the current unit I'm

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teaching PE, is outdoor
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And essentially what that is, is
just the weather is improving.

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We got side to get the equipment
out and it's all team based

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games.
It's races, it's competition.

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It's Team building think of
classic team building where you

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go and build a raft.
We can't build a raft, of

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course, but we can do those kind
of games the idea where they're

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forced to work with each other
and we know, don't we how it's

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just such a pain for children to
work in a group like it's a it's

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a classic thing that as teachers
we always talk about a in seeing

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things on reports.
If you're a parent, you'd seen

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it before, will expand on their
own works right in the group.

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And basically what had happened
is, we do some races and we were

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split Teams of six six or seven,
they were group sizes of five

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children.
Okay?

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So five children in a group of
four or five children, and it

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was the classic, you know, get
across the river only using two

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mats and you can only move them
at one.

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Everyone stood off of it, and
you can only stand in this hoop

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and you're stood in a circle
holding hands.

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You need to get a hoop around as
fast as you can without

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unlinking although classic kind
of things which just forced

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communication.
Right?

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Hmm.
So, the first week I did it last

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week, I didn't give them any
kind of talk.

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I just introduced into the game,
put them into teams.

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And observe them and just to see
how their team team building was

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the working in groups and
whether they were good losses or

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bad losses or through a straw or
have a Paddy if they were

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losing.
Now of course.

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We know what it's like working
with a.

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You threw a party and I throw a
party.

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I got rid of they, there was a
lot of falling out and there was

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a lot of children over
celebrating the win, you know,

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really going over the top and
purpose for, you're looking at

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children who they knew they
could wind up and trying to just

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get to them.
So then, at the end of last

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week, I had a chat with them
about You know, we spoke about

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this before, there's always
going to be a winner, but

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there's ways to win and there's
ways to lose and, you know, the

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you need to learn how to develop
that.

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So this week we came along, I
reminded them of that quickly

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and they were so good.
Honestly, so good.

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They were, they were really
encouraging their teammates,

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they were losing but trying
their hardest.

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And this is the point.
I made to them trying.

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Your hardest is, is more
important than winning.

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It just is.
And some people have a different

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outlook on that.
But in terms of teaching a group

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of children, trying your
absolute hardest There's not

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much more that you can do at
that point.

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It's really hard especially laws
like skill in life.

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Isn't it to be able to work hard
at everything regardless of the

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outcome, right?
That's a good thing.

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Yeah, and I do always remember I
was younger, my mom always used

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to say that and that actually
did that did stick with me a

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lot, which was look as long as
you tried your hardest.

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And the reason she'd say to me
is because she knew full well

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that quite often.
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that's true because I kind of
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really good at encouraging each
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and all that, but I couldn't get
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surprised because it is the same
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this profession that children
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to work in a group.
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development of the individual
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want to do it this way and if
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to do it my way and I don't
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way and I'm just wondering
what's your thoughts on that?

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Because it was so evident that,
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to be good.
Winners and getting over bad.

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That that's quite easy children.
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understand empathy, but when it
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annoyed at their teammates are
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And I want to win.
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That they could, they do quite
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you just said there, we you do
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majority of people, I think at
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do, I mean, surely the evidence
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have team building companies for
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of providing these experiences
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assumption that a lot of people
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learn that skill even though we
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on it later on in life but I
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I think it's a social skill and
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curriculum which is something
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skills and everything else that,
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nothing that's going to segue
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just said, but I just think it's
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perhaps as staff we're not as
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delivering the math concept or
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like that in English.
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obvious and there's the whole
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certain children of a certain
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those times where they do start
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a lot more even Nursery.
Now we're getting that far away

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from covid.
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to see how how we're going to
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obsessed that and rightly.
So with plugging gaps in terms

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of attainment and education.
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I think it comes under that band
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it does is if you're going to
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If you do, learn to have to
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adequate level, you see, those
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might dip because of that, I'm
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Dylan because I actually we're
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I'm going to ask you a question
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lick, you know, make their make
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Eagle.
You're gonna come back and ask

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that question here is, do you
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well-being?
I know you will only a GSE off

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that to second wait and I do
have my answer.

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So, thanks Hayden for that
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Well, can I say, does British
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I think because of the fact
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and have polarity makes for a
good discussion, but bad

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overall.
I'm just going to give a

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one-word answer.
No, so bring it right to the

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context of primary school then
does that change in any way?

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Or were you already thinking of
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thinking of that classic yet?
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was trying to think straight
away what British culture means

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to me in terms of that kind of
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And the thing I think about
immediately is stiff upper lip,

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you know, that classic British
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You know, if you've got a
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because we're British and I
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This is a very tenuous link but
I'm going to make it because I

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know you love politics.
So very, very, very quickly

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Dominic rob.
You know, he got he got he

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resigned over a bullying scandal
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Yeah and I think the British
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droves in some of the media.
Basically this he was found of

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being horribly demeaning and
Bully, basically, pulling his

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staff and just you know
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behave in the workplace and the
amount of people who Who came

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out and said, o, Britain's
broken, all these snowflakes

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can't even put up with with
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They're doing their job badly
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There it is.
There's that massive subculture,

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we've got of that generation.
Who think stiff upper lip is an

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acceptable way to go about life.
Who think there's literally

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nothing that anyone can do with
words that can physically at

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can, sorry, emotionally and
mentally be a detriment to you

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and that if you let that happen,
you're the problem.

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I think that is so widespread in
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culture.
Still, I think it's going to

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change generation to generation.
I think the fact that he was

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found guilty for bullying shows
already that that culture is

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changing because for sure, 30 40
years ago, no one would have

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blinked, an eye lid, that your
boss treating you like, rubbish.

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That was very common.

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The fact, the fact that it's
already changing, that respect

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is good.
I think people struggle with

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that, who are older, and I
think, in general, maybe we can

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narrow this down.
Now, in general, I think we

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focus far more on outcome.
And profit and, you know how

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useful you are to the economy.
For example, in a macro level

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way, outweighs anything to do
with your well-being, for sure.

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I think it's really interesting
because I don't know, maybe it's

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just a personal experience.
Perhaps people can let us know

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if they've experienced this as
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younger Generations that those
people, you know, you just

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talked about the all those
people that is that show their

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true colors of the whole stiff
upper lip and all those

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snowflakes can't say anything
anymore, can't even get bullied

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by your boss and get on It, you
know, I mean it's like what you

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talkin about, I feel like a nice
car sounds so old now.

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But there's such a platform for
those people now, like it's so

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easy to get into the ears of
children, through things like

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Tick-Tock and Instagram rules,
and that sort of stuff, because

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it's just so easily accessible.
And it's widely accepted that

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that's just what you do.
Like honestly despite the apps

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being like, you know, usually 13
plus or whatever.

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Their age limits are the, I have
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primary school children by the
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I was go are already using these
apps and scrolling through hours

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and hours and hours, and hours,
and hours of content.

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And almost definitely coming
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usually really confident
ironically and demand a bit

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more, like all.
Yeah, listen to me and you know,

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who better to be drawn into
listening to these these people

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than young impressionable
children who see all out this

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authority authority because I
drilled to think that's what

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Authority is probably through.
I don't maybe for the schooling

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system just the way it works and
I'm just like I'm just worried

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that I Youngest generation.
It's going to like revert a

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little bit in terms of their
going to be a bit like that.

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You know.
They're gonna be.

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Yeah.
That's how you do it.

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Yeah.
You could be stiff upper lip.

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Now we do.
But I'm going to bully someone

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else because they're weak
because they're snowflakes.

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I'm really genuinely concerned
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It's good, it's a widespread
problem case in point, you know,

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in the recent months and Route 8
case in point of and Route 8 and

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the influence that he had on
children as young as primary

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school age because it's the
classic problem of well, you

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know, 80% of what he says is,
all right, because he told me to

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work hard and get my head down
and make money and that's and,

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and how can you argue against
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But then suddenly we slip in
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And and but that's all right.
Because, you know, young Lads

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with that, they need someone to
get behind.

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And you're absolutely right how
impressionable this is.

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Again we're going to go on a
million side tangent here but

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this is really interesting to me
because this is another reason

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exactly what you just said.
Hayden is another reason why I'm

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quite passionate about trying to
destroy the whole Because I Said

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So top down yeah but teaching
and Control Authority that

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because exactly because actually
if we spend eleven if we spend

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the first six years that's a
four year six charge seven years

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of their life saying to them.
Older than you.

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I'm the teacher, I'm the person
in charge.

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This is that's why if that's
ever an explanation for doing

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something, then it's going to
breed the kind of problems that

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we see of confident man on Tick.
Tock says climate change is not

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true.
Confident man.

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On Tick-Tock says horrible
conspiracy theory as I grew up

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in econ to politics and, you
know, go down, rabbit holes.

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We have to also teach our
children to listen at really

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important points, and actually
there are certain things where

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you do just listen, because
don't put your hand in fire

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because I No.
Don't you understand?

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Explain it right now because
you're doing it so it's just

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stop doing that.
But equally when I say to them

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actually I need you to stay in
to do your homework because you

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didn't do it going back to our
talk last week.

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I if I can't explain to them why
we're doing that.

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If the answer is just because I
said so and it's what you do, I

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think that long term as a
detrimental effect.

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Well we've mean you have talked
about this a lot over the years

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and I know it's a very like it's
something we're super super

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conscious of and I maybe it's
from our own experiences growing

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up.
Of that frustration I remember.

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And I know you do as well.
It's asking the question.

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Why a lot?
I was that kid and you were that

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kid?
Why?

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Why do I have to do that?
What you have is your parents or

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someone older tells you to do
something and you don't

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understand why.
So you ask why?

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And when the answer is, because
I told you do, as you're told

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like, that is an infuriating
response, I don't respect that.

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So as a teacher I will I hope I
don't I hope I don't buy in my

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head.
I never demand respect from the

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children.
And never ever, ever demand

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respect from the children.
I always go out South and go out

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of my way to earn their respect
because they are human beings.

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Doesn't matter if they're 9 or
10 or whatever I earn their

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respect and like you said I try
to show them that they all

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thought my authority in that
school is not because I'm the

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biggest loudest person in the
room.

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It's because of my credentials
of the profession I've built up

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is because I know what I'm doing
and I'm there to support them in

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these ways like yeah.
And I think there is a line.

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I think you're absolutely right
because we do Do you know,

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demanding respect?
Someone might interpret that in

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a different way and we do have
to demand a certain kind of

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respect when we walk in, because
we're there in the first place,

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right?
And but it's because of

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credentials.
And I think you your idea of

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it's not just because I'm loud.
It's not just because I'm

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confident or taller than you or
older.

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It's because I've got these X Y,
Zed credentials and what you

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said about building
relationships.

449
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,900
Number one, advice to Any
teacher who's just starting out

450
00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:39,600
ever is always for me, going to
be that Make a bond with them,

451
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:43,100
find some common ground, make
sure they like being in your

452
00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:45,800
lesson like that should be one
of your main goals.

453
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,900
Not because you want to feel
like or love and by the

454
00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:51,900
children, but because you're
going to be able to get more out

455
00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:54,800
of them, using your experience,
your professionality, you know,

456
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,000
you're going to get more out of
each child.

457
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,500
I've got a very quick story on
the idea of, you know, when

458
00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:03,800
parents just tell you because
and it's such a trivial one, but

459
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,600
it sums it up perfectly.
The kind of child, I wasn't.

460
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,800
Maybe that's why influences us.
And like you said, Ed and I know

461
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,200
I'm listening to this podcast, I
sure remember this story I made

462
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,200
a tub of Angel Delight.
Okay.

463
00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:18,400
So I made a big plastic tub of
Angel Delight which all up and

464
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,800
what I would do is it's quite a
lot and I could probably eat in

465
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,700
one sitting but I never normally
did when I was younger, my for a

466
00:21:22,708 --> 00:21:26,200
face which is loving Angels.
Now and put it, you do now.

467
00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:30,100
Yeah I mean it's in the fridge
that so I made a big tub of

468
00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,100
Angel Delight with a with a
spoon.

469
00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:33,400
I was eating it just out the
tub.

470
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,300
Classic student Behavior.
I was like probably seven to add

471
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:37,500
a know.
I was a I was a late.

472
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,100
And I'd eaten enough of what I
wanted.

473
00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:45,600
So I took the bowl with a spoon
in and I put that in the fridge

474
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,500
and the idea was I'm going to
come back to that in half an

475
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,800
hour.
I need some more of it and

476
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,700
always remember my mom over the
fridge and she's like tellin,

477
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,300
why is the spoon in here?
I was just like, what?

478
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:58,900
I just because I'm gonna want to
eat something now.

479
00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,600
Put that wash the spoon and put
it back.

480
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:05,900
I was just like why and she said
because you don't put spoons in

481
00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:08,800
the fridge and for Allah Of
people that might have been the

482
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,200
end of the conversation liked
it, you know?

483
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,300
I understand it to her.
It's like, yeah.

484
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,100
You don't put spoons in the
fridge so put it out and my I

485
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,200
was that annoying kid.
I was like, yeah, but why can't

486
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,100
I put in the what's going to
happen?

487
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,100
This means I'm going to combust
in the fridge is not going to

488
00:22:19,108 --> 00:22:21,400
Krakow microwave.
I want to use that spoon.

489
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:23,300
Yeah.
But our use that spoon in 20

490
00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:25,500
minutes.
I agree again and it was just so

491
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:29,000
funny seeing, you know, that the
person who's kind of say just do

492
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,600
this thing, kind of realized
that other than just doing this

493
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,900
thing, there isn't actually a
reason for doing this thing.

494
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,700
That's not there for good enough
reason to do it.

495
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:40,200
But I was 16 so I took this been
out.

496
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,000
I'm sure and I put it I put it
back in the cupboard.

497
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,100
Got it back. 20 minutes later.
That's just a classic example.

498
00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:47,200
Yeah, when I edit this podcast
I'm gonna go from me asking the

499
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,200
question does breadth of British
culture, family well-being, and

500
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800
I'm going to cut straight to
that spoon story and see ya.

501
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,200
That's where we got to.
That's something that's really

502
00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,200
good.
But like bringing do we do bring

503
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,800
it back to that though that
there are kind of original point

504
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,400
of the discussion?
What we really want to talk

505
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,500
about in this podcast is, is
that is the curriculum?

506
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800
And so we talked about
well-being 20 minutes and we

507
00:23:10,808 --> 00:23:12,500
want to talk about the crew.
Yeah it's linked.

508
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,300
It's linked you know because and
I will make the links ooh, nice

509
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:19,100
not to make it too quickly but
we want to talk about the kind

510
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:22,700
of ever increasing expectations,
perhaps of the curriculum and

511
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:23,900
and it also just gives some of
this.

512
00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:25,800
We have a lot of listeners that
aren't teachers aren't in the

513
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,600
educational world.
Thank you for listening, but the

514
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,200
way quick story on that, by the
way, got a coming straight away.

515
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,800
Because last week I think you
used the word pedagogy 27 times

516
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,500
and not once, did we tell our
listeners what pedagogy was and

517
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:40,600
I had For I think five messages
from five different people talk

518
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,900
about the fact.
They didn't know what put the

519
00:23:41,908 --> 00:23:43,700
Gaggia meant.
So having what's pedagogy

520
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,400
pedagogy is our God?
How do you define that?

521
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,700
It's actually, it's actually a
digimon.

522
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,000
This is the evolution of
pedagogy better Gadget, your

523
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,400
pecans pedagogy guys, really
hard to Define it.

524
00:23:54,408 --> 00:23:59,500
It's like teaching Concepts.
It's what it's it's different

525
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,000
ways of teaching.
Yeah of course a point.

526
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,300
Yeah different pedagogy seen.
At the way you might teach in

527
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,900
different styles.
Different ways.

528
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:07,900
I did post a Google definition
of It.

529
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,100
So if you didn't like that,
really bad.

530
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:11,800
Definition of pedagogy go to
Google.

531
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,200
You made me realize how hard
that is to explain.

532
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:19,400
Anyway, so a lot of people who
are listening, might not know

533
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,200
much about the curriculum.
How it actually works at Primary

534
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,400
School's, you probably think of
secondary school being the last

535
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,300
place you were and in primary
school.

536
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,600
We the expectation is as
teachers that is that we teach

537
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,100
everything we teach every
subject.

538
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,100
Basically we have our core
subjects which are math English

539
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,000
and science.
But we do have all of the

540
00:24:36,008 --> 00:24:38,400
foundation subjects which
consists of Nothing else in

541
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,200
geography history.
There are more subjects in

542
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,400
secondary that, you know, might
you might start studying but we

543
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,500
do the basics so history,
geography, R DT music for modern

544
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,100
modern foreign languages, which
sometimes, French?

545
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:53,900
Or Spanish, depends on the
school, really what I missed.

546
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600
Probably miss won't be Computing
pee yet PE.

547
00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:58,400
So we gotta teach older than
basically.

548
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,800
If you're lucky, you might have
a specialist teacher, that works

549
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,200
at your school and takes maybe
one or two of those subjects

550
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,800
away.
But generally teachers, teach, A

551
00:25:07,808 --> 00:25:10,500
thing.
Now one of the biggest kind of

552
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:14,400
discussion debates or issues, I
guess in primary education is

553
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,800
this kind of ever-rising
expectation to teach all of this

554
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,100
stuff in a timetable that is
restricted by time.

555
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,100
Like there's only so much time
in a week, those darn timetables

556
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:32,100
restricted by time, goddamn it
to teach these the only subjects

557
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:35,700
and it's just a constant
constant problem across the

558
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,500
country of.
Okay, cool.

559
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:38,400
Thanks.
This government.

560
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,100
When do you want me to do this
new thing that I now have to

561
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,800
teach geography.
Like what?

562
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,100
So when you when you're talking
about.

563
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:49,200
So again we say new thing, we're
a bit context for everyone.

564
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:52,000
The curriculum does get updated.
You know, there was a time when

565
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,300
we didn't have a national
curriculum.

566
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,400
Yeah, but the curriculum was
last updated in 2013.

567
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,100
I believe it was a year or two
before we started teaching.

568
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:00,700
So we've only ever known this
curriculum.

569
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,500
And basically, we've got to
follow this curriculum as a

570
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,300
state funded school.
So we've got to follow the

571
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:09,500
curriculum and like Hayden said,
the idea is we've got to fit

572
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,000
everything in now Hayden and I
wanted to clarify now is okay.

573
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,800
You want to want to kind of send
to this discussion about

574
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,200
well-being and I suppose those
two routes to go down there.

575
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:20,300
One route would be the
well-being of the staff,

576
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,400
delivering, the curriculum.
And the other route would be the

577
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,300
well-being of the children, who
are receiving the curriculum?

578
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,100
Sure.
So, you know, where did you want

579
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,600
to start?
I think both would be

580
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,500
interesting but maybe we.
Maybe we start with the children

581
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,900
for this one, I know it make
more sense that the adults by

582
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:36,800
kind of want to just route it
back to the kind of original

583
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,000
point of this.
Because when I was saying, do

584
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,900
you think British culture values
well-being?

585
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,400
What I was really getting at
here was my actual like feeling

586
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,300
about this, which is, I don't
think the British government

587
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,400
value or even maybe understand
they might pretend to Value, but

588
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,400
I don't think they do the
well-being of children like our

589
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,400
Learners.
I just don't think they do value

590
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,400
that because I think their
response to Any problem for

591
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,800
example League tables, which is
just a nightmare.

592
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,500
We're always comparing ourselves
of ourselves and also other

593
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,200
countries and well you know,
when we're not performing as

594
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,100
well as another country, I think
our government's response to

595
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,200
that is cool well-being out the
window, let's do more.

596
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,100
Absolutely.
Let's just do more, that's your

597
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,700
response.
What's that you only doing eight

598
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,700
hours that it clearly we need to
do nine hours a day then,

599
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,900
because I'm not learning enough.
It's counterproductive.

600
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,400
It was the same narrative after
covid.

601
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,300
You know, obviously covid
exposed huge old created, huge

602
00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:34,900
gaps, rather in children's
knowledge and you know the

603
00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:38,300
curriculum is very intricately.
Designed more for some subjects

604
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,100
as well come on to and you know
missing out certain gaps

605
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,700
especially in maths and also in
English and times you know

606
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,800
spending progression and Grammar
and Writing there was huge hits

607
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,300
to them and we have to do
something to fill those gaps,

608
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:54,100
but I always always thought
straight off the bat that when

609
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,700
they said, Okay.
Long booster sessions before or

610
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,100
after school and lengthening the
school day which was a thing

611
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,800
that came in.
Yeah, I just thought that was.

612
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,500
It's just so counterproductive
because the people making these

613
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,600
decisions, I just feel half the
time, don't have to teach a

614
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,400
class after having taught them,
Maths for an hour and 20

615
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
minutes, taught them English for
an hour and 20 minutes.

616
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,700
They've had a short break after
eating their lunch and then had

617
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:21,300
to sit down and do a turn off
our lesson in the afternoon.

618
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:24,500
I don't think these people
absolutely agree with you.

619
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Hayden are thinking of the
children's well-being because it

620
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800
is a slog and children should
work hard at school and children

621
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,700
should be pushed to achieve
their best at school, but there

622
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:38,400
has to be a line.
And I think that the curriculum

623
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,100
although it's not always
changing.

624
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,100
I understand what you mean about
ever, increasing expectations.

625
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,000
And that comes down to ofsted
there.

626
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800
Every single change ever that
I've seen in schools, that have

627
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,800
been massively driven, workload
up and added stress and

628
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,600
well-being.
Has been by ofsted in our

629
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,300
expectations and now actually,
what we need to see is this

630
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,300
progression map on paper pleas
of these skills, which is

631
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,400
important.
Sure, but it's another thing

632
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,300
you've got to do.
And then also in geography, by

633
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,600
the way, it's another thing
you've got to do.

634
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,100
And actually, by the way, in
spin PE, we now need to have

635
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,100
more P.
There's a huge drive to get two

636
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,300
hours a week in because not all
schools doing two hours a week

637
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,300
and you know, why not all
schools have been 2 hours of PR

638
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,000
week because they literally
can't deliver the curriculum

639
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,100
that you've set.
And it's just this constant

640
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,700
tug-of-war of the government
trying to say the right thing in

641
00:29:23,708 --> 00:29:27,200
the Media to get the right
attention in the mail to make

642
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,400
the old people say I asked they
do deserve the best.

643
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,900
Are these teachers not giving
our kids the best, and the kids

644
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,500
are at a detriment as well.
You're absolutely right.

645
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:37,400
Not just yeah, but yeah, but
Dylan, you're wrong because

646
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,700
ofsted said res, very recently.
They came out and said in their

647
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:45,000
own report on themselves that
they wasn't negatively affecting

648
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,100
well-being of anyone.
So we've been getting it wrong.

649
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,800
Like we've teachers, if you're
listening for you, you're gonna

650
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
feel so silly right now because
off steam cabinet.

651
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800
They just, they told us, they
haven't been sorry, it's not

652
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,700
them.
They said I was crazy because I

653
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:02,700
do.
I swear, I swear that I felt

654
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,900
stressed and overworked.
No, clearly, I have awesome told

655
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:05,900
us.
It wasn't you.

656
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,700
Weren't you actually find the
whole time.

657
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400
So offset.
It came out and said no, no, no,

658
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,800
and they admitted that the only
time that teachers might feel

659
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,900
slightly stressed due to a died
as a direct result of ofsted is

660
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:18,300
when they're actually in the
school.

661
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:23,500
So guys, you know, yeah, stiffen
that upper lip and crack on with

662
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,700
it.
Right, to be honest, I haven't

663
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,600
even I don't really hear the
word offset or even think about

664
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,800
it until they don't rock up.
No, it definitely doesn't taste

665
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:35,400
anything that school does?
Oh, wait a minute.

666
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:37,500
It affects literally okay.
Yeah.

667
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,100
Okay, cool.
It's like the only trickle down

668
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:41,700
version of anything that works
in our country.

669
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,600
It is trickle-down economics.
We've got trickle-down work load

670
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,600
and stress.
That one works, we've proved it

671
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,700
work somehow.
The problem is government works

672
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,400
in Really weird way in our
country because we get, you

673
00:30:56,408 --> 00:30:59,800
know, we've had eight or nine
education secretaries in like

674
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,800
seven or eight years.
There is no consistent thread

675
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600
and because the whole you know,
the Civil Service are the people

676
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,700
who are constantly working and
they're just employed, they work

677
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,200
in the department for Education.
They'll work on this with

678
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,900
ministers to deliver the
government's Vision but the

679
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,200
ministers and their Department
of Education Secretary.

680
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,800
So the education secretary might
change frequently.

681
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,000
The people actually implementing
these changes are just like a

682
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
consistent group.
Happy.

683
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,200
I'd be really interested to find
out more about who these people

684
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000
are because they are at the will
of the government at the end

685
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,400
because, you know, the
government are voted in and they

686
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,200
want to say, okay, actually
we're going to make this happen

687
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,100
and then The Minister's make
sorry, the work, the Civil

688
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:41,700
Service make that happen.
But I don't know, I think, and

689
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:43,900
I, maybe it's a really cynical
view of politicians in general.

690
00:31:43,908 --> 00:31:47,400
But I can't get over my
overriding thought of.

691
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,800
I think they say, and do exactly
what they think will look good

692
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,900
way more than what they think
is.

693
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,100
Good.
I think I think from that point

694
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:00,300
of view being able to release a
press saying that they've learnt

695
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:05,500
from the school day by half an
hour or 45 minutes will not to

696
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,700
lose the many votes and it will
strengthen their base of people

697
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:10,900
who think teachers are lazy
anyway and should work more.

698
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
And also people who are just
like ya off.

699
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,900
Ya 45.
I've never worked in the school

700
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:18,300
my life but I absolutely think
that an extra 45 minutes is

701
00:32:18,308 --> 00:32:19,600
going to help the children do
stuff.

702
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Yeah, I think I think that's
what it is.

703
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,700
It's hard because it because I
can understand the logic there.

704
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,100
Because in a lot of things in
life, when you do more, you get

705
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,800
more outcome.
But it is, is like that.

706
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,400
So all of us working people.
So I imagine you imagine, you

707
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,200
know, a carpenter, it's like yes
if you did put in an extra hour

708
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,700
day, you would literally make
more stuff that is how it works.

709
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:41,900
But if you know, I just, I
strongly disagree with the idea

710
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:46,400
that more time at school, equals
more learning, I don't think it

711
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,300
is anywhere near as simple as
that.

712
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,400
And I think that is hugely
backed up by other other places

713
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,700
around the world.
Now, I'm no expert on this and I

714
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,400
No, there are other factors like
a lot of people often compared

715
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,800
with China.
I don't know why.

716
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,600
But that's just seems to be
quite a common one to compare

717
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,200
with and people often say well,
you know, in China, they do this

718
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,800
and they do that.
But you do have to take into

719
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,600
account like The Wider culture,
as well as people like that does

720
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,200
obvious impact hugely how
children grow up, like it's not

721
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,600
just school, but like, but there
are places that are a bit more

722
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,000
close to home, I guess.
Like, Finland is often quoted

723
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,300
Denmark the Netherlands that
area, right?

724
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000
No tourist in famously have the
Shortest kind of primary school

725
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,200
days, I very short days, some
places.

726
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,300
I think it's Denmark have
something like as reduced like

727
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,200
20 hours a week in some cases I
do.

728
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,800
I'm not sure that's like
consistent for the country but

729
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,800
I've heard like I've seen
reports the things of that.

730
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,700
And you think?
Wow.

731
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,400
Okay.
That's like wildly different.

732
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,000
Finland will have some school
days at like, 4 hours, 4 hours

733
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,600
long.
And that's just like standard or

734
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,800
they'll start school a bit
later.

735
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,200
But when it comes to league
tables, they can they

736
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,100
continuously outperform.
Most of the Like they do really

737
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,800
well.
And again we have to consider

738
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,100
the idea that okay maybe a lot
of that has to do with culture

739
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,200
as well.
Perhaps sure culture outside of

740
00:34:01,208 --> 00:34:04,200
the school also hugely impacts
that but I do find it really

741
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,900
interesting.
I think I think you hit the nail

742
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:11,300
on the head and if I'm going to
bring it back to England, I

743
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,600
don't like being this - I
actually don't.

744
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:17,900
I really hate moaning and
complaining but I can't help but

745
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:22,400
think that England has the
perfect mix of absolute garbage

746
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,900
when it comes to our children's
well-being.

747
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:27,600
I know the perfect me there's a
bit of banana skin in there.

748
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,000
There's leftover dinner from
yesterday and there's that

749
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,100
bottom of the bin juice.
That's just constantly lingering

750
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,600
just like my dream.
Is absolutely rubbish.

751
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,199
Let's just think about it for a
minute again.

752
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,800
We're not experts on this, but
it's just so blindingly obvious.

753
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,900
Think about those countries,
they don't go to school until

754
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,900
they're at 7:00, right?
They start school at 7:00,

755
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,300
that's the three for us, that's
year three and these countries

756
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,800
who are performing as well, if
not better than eyes are

757
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,400
starting school at 7:00.
Here's the horrible, horrible

758
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,300
mess.
We have some of the most

759
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:06,500
expensive child care in the
world, children are From a state

760
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:09,900
point of view, a burden, they
are a burden.

761
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,100
If you're thinking of having a
child in this day and age, you

762
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,900
have to really think about
whether you can afford it or not

763
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,200
even if you know both of you are
in full-time work.

764
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,600
If both partners are in
full-time work, and it's still a

765
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,900
stress because we get situation
in this country and it's usually

766
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,800
predominantly women who want to
get back into the workforce, but

767
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,900
it doesn't make sense for them
to do so, because it ends up

768
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:35,200
costing them nearly as much to
put their child in daycare.

769
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,200
R, as it does to actually go
back to work.

770
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,700
There's not this staying at
home, as a parent, for numerous

771
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:46,100
reasons of wanting, to empower
the female Workforce more often

772
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,600
than not.
And also the fact it's

773
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,600
unaffordable is less and less
attractive.

774
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Okay?
It's less and less attracted to

775
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,200
stay home and less able for
people to do that as much as

776
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,400
possible.
Yeah, because we have terribly

777
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,400
expensive.
Childcare, we just don't have

778
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,800
the infrastructure and when it
Stu, I'm thinking of strike

779
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,900
days.
Again, there's another strike

780
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,900
tomorrow as we record this.
So this week when you're

781
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,300
listening that again the thing
straight away is our childcare,

782
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,700
our childcare.
And you know, we need a culture

783
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,200
change of whatever going to
reach the levels of Finland.

784
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,300
We're turning around now to the
British population and saying,

785
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,800
okay, we're going to a 20-hour
week for all school children

786
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,900
would be impossible.
It would be completely

787
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,200
impossible through what would
happen to work, what would

788
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,800
happen, you know to all those
things that cost so much now,

789
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,100
where would the children go?
I just think as a culture we are

790
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,200
nowhere near being able to
introduce anything like that.

791
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,200
And I think the idea of longer
days and wraparound care is all

792
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,000
linked to getting people back to
work.

793
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000
And it's what we said at the
start in terms of well-being in

794
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,600
this country, you are a cog in
the economic wheel and all the

795
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,600
government care about is getting
you back into work.

796
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,900
Getting you back into work and
you work in as long as possible,

797
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,400
get into get into these, you
know, 4050 our weeks.

798
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,800
It's fine because we'll Nanny
your children for a bit from

799
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,200
8:00 to 4:30 with this metal
mask.

800
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Of them will be great.
I just think well-being is

801
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,300
completely shot and it's the
lowest lowest thing on the Run

802
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,000
lowest thing on the ladder.
And there, you know, happy

803
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
living index, there's this index
where it takes in everything and

804
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
it's basically a how happy your
country is.

805
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,700
These countries that you've just
explained, are always ranking

806
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,600
High Scandinavian countries
because they put these things

807
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,100
first.
I'm not going to lie.

808
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,900
I don't want to work 50 60, 70
hours a week.

809
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,100
And it's another very British
thing to be ashamed to say that

810
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:40,100
sometimes.
And it's celebrated, ah, he

811
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,500
works 70 hours a week for his
whole life, and he's got a, he

812
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,700
deserves a good retirement at
74.

813
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:49,400
And I saw articles, the other
day of, you know, 87 year old

814
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,700
woman, still working and shop
and I'm like, cool.

815
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:55,600
There are benefits to that, but
the moment that someone who's 87

816
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,800
feels like they have to go to
work to survive.

817
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,800
Our country is broken.
So if you're not a teacher and

818
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,300
even if you are, it's good to
reflect in this, I suppose, the

819
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,900
national curriculum is a
document that we work from its

820
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,500
200 pages long, the primary
National curriculum.

821
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:16,000
So going from years, 12 years,
six Haydn Beethoven pop quiz for

822
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,300
you.
Okay, let's see.

823
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:21,300
Just now that's a No-No.
You don't have this one up.

824
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:25,200
I hope I'm going to read to you
just, just the listeners and for

825
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,100
you to refresh your memory from
earlier every single subject.

826
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:29,700
So I think you've got them all
earlier, but I'm not sure if you

827
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,800
missed one.
So in a national curriculum, we

828
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,500
have English maths science Art
and Design Computing, DT

829
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,300
geography, history languages
music and PE.

830
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,300
There are obviously other
requirements in there that don't

831
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,300
go into much detail.
Like you know schools have to

832
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:50,100
teach re there's not necessarily
an exact set set of, you know, a

833
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:51,600
curriculum to follow.
Basically each school.

834
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200
Can decide how they do that but
they're there.

835
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,600
The subjects they are the
lessons.

836
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:58,700
Now it's a 200 Page document.
Obviously, there are some,

837
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,100
there's some Preamble, there's
some references Etc, right?

838
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:08,700
How many pages out of 200?
Mmm, do you think is dedicated

839
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,200
to English math and science?
So the core subjects and

840
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,700
obviously I know it's going to
be weighted more towards them.

841
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,600
I know it is.
So I'm gonna go for like a

842
00:39:17,607 --> 00:39:21,600
percentage.
I reckon I deny record honestly.

843
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,800
It's what it's gonna be crazy
high even though it's only three

844
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,600
of like what 12 subjects is
going to be like 40% of the of

845
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,200
the documents.
Oh My Sweet Summer child.

846
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:34,800
What is it?
Lower 175 Pages out of 200. 000

847
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,500
is dedicated to English maths
and size.

848
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,300
It really that much.
Yeah.

849
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,400
It just under 90 percent of the
dockyard.

850
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,400
I knew it, I knew it'd be a lot
and science.

851
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,700
Yep.
Wow.

852
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:50,200
So 175 pages, to the most
granular of detail.

853
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,600
It's to the point where you
could pick up year for maths.

854
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,100
Look at the bullet points of the
strands and probably plan Lesson

855
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,000
by lesson your year, okay?
That's how granular it is, for

856
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,500
Maths for English.
There's progression on all the

857
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,000
spelling rules or of the grammar
and punctuation terms.

858
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,400
This glossaries, there's
everything you need to do in

859
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,600
terms of the strands.
For reading, there's everything

860
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,100
you need to incorporate into
your writing and every single

861
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,200
year group so that's very, very
particular as well.

862
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,200
Yep, science as well.
It tells you exactly what

863
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,500
subjects to cover at what time
in the curriculum, which is As

864
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:22,700
much detail as we go into four
other ones as we'll talk about

865
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:25,400
in a minute.
So basically, you can dive into

866
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,700
math English and Science and
pretty much any school, you kind

867
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,700
of know what you're going to get
in your for there's far.

868
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:33,800
Less room for wiggle room.
Basically, you know, we all know

869
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,600
we're doing in those subjects.
What I find, really fascinating?

870
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,800
As a flip side of that is, for
example, the entire geography

871
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,800
curriculum for primary school is
on three sides of a 4 and that's

872
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,300
just a primary school is a long
time.

873
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:52,600
Let's just reiterate Like how
much of a time span is as well?

874
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,800
Six years.
Six years of your learning for

875
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,600
geography, condense, the three
pages, history for Pages

876
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:05,000
languages, two pages music, two
pages, p�� de PE, by the way, the

877
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,400
huge drive to get children
active and fit two pages, happy

878
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,700
for for D and T, 2 for computing
to for Art and Design.

879
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,900
Wow.
And, you know, I understand and

880
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,100
we know, don't we Hayden?
We teach math every single day.

881
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,800
We teach English Today we teach
science more than we teach the

882
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,100
other subjects.
However, that is

883
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:29,100
disproportionate and when we're
thinking about the curriculum,

884
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,300
we have to deliver, it's a huge
workload to interpret that

885
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:37,400
curriculum for subject leaders,
and the point I wanted to make

886
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,700
Hayden and maybe you could
elaborate on this and what you

887
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:44,300
think, I think straight away
here in terms of History, has

888
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:48,000
some very specific skills that
we need to teach our children

889
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,100
that aren't necessarily
transferable.

890
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,200
You know, you know, interpreting
sources, primary sources,

891
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,700
secondary reliability, thinking,
historically, exactly thinking

892
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,000
historically, as well.
And those strands of, you know,

893
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,600
power Invasion, Community, very
specific to history topics.

894
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,400
And then you dip into geography,
as well, which were supposed to

895
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,000
deliver.
And we're supposed to be going

896
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400
through all of the thinking
geographically strands, which,

897
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,800
you know, using reading Maps
thinking about communities

898
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200
thinking about their
interactions with the physical

899
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800
world and the man-made world and
it's very specific.

900
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,700
Hi Awful stuff that we have to
be able to master and deliverer

901
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,400
to our children.
And I just, I just can't help

902
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,500
but think just to compare two
secondary.

903
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:29,900
I'm not suggesting, it's much
easier because a secondary

904
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,100
teacher is a specialist in
geography, has to know a huge

905
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:34,700
amount in each of the Year
groups.

906
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,800
So I understand from their point
of view, but I find it really

907
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,000
tricky as a primary school
teacher, to be able to know.

908
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,900
So accurately, all of those very
specific strands and deliver

909
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:48,500
them all, when actually I've got
to teach, you know, 12 different

910
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,900
subjects across the term.
Well, it reminds me actually

911
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,200
here for last week's
conversation, little bit where

912
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,300
we mentioned the idea of we were
talking about, like, when your

913
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,900
teacher training and are saying,
just hold back on the subject

914
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:01,700
knowledge, just focus on
learning how to teach.

915
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,400
And I made that point, I've
like, you're going to teach 200

916
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,600
different subjects and we kind
of joked about it, but it is

917
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,900
true.
We are, you are going to teach

918
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:13,200
like 200 different units within
the 12 subjects across, you

919
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,100
know, across a few years and I
agree with you.

920
00:43:16,107 --> 00:43:19,200
In terms of is a little bit mad,
really isn't it?

921
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:21,500
I don't know if there is an
expectation.

922
00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:24,700
But to have any expectation that
Primary School teachers, you

923
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:27,200
know, are masters of all of
these subjects and have that

924
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,300
really deep specific knowledge
of everything because it's a

925
00:43:29,308 --> 00:43:31,700
very hard thing to do.
And like you said, Secondary

926
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,400
School teachers, although they
have a much wider cut, you know,

927
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,700
subject knowledge base to, to
know, off the back of that hand

928
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:39,600
because they are a specialist in
that subject.

929
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,700
At least it's one subject that
you can really just dig dive

930
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:47,300
deep into it, you know, I mean,
Yeah, I suppose my wider point

931
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:51,200
was there's almost too, too kind
of pulls of knowledge as a

932
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,900
teacher right there.
Is that actual knowledge of, for

933
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:58,200
example, how long is the Nile
and how did communities, you

934
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,800
know, live around them and why
was it useful and why did it

935
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,800
encourage, you know, migration
or whatever it is that specific

936
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,900
you know, fact knowledge factual
knowledge still I think it's

937
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,300
acceptable to be like, okay well
you know you have to just learn

938
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:15,100
that the time but very
specifically just the strands of

939
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,300
of Kills, that's specific to
geography, specific to history,

940
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,100
specific to Art, and Design
specific to DT, specific to

941
00:44:22,107 --> 00:44:25,900
music, specific to PA that those
strands, that go through the

942
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:29,200
whole kind of Journey Through
year, 3 year, 4 year, 5 through

943
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,100
different teachers, that's kind
of missing in terms of that

944
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:36,200
Mastery because in a secondary
school of you, teach geography

945
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,800
to your seven, eight nine ten.
You could see the kind of

946
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,600
progression there of in history,
how we teach communities, and

947
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,900
how it how it gets more
complicated and and it goes It

948
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,000
moves through we've kind of got
to try and pick that up.

949
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,500
I was like if I'm a year for
Teacher I've got to think about

950
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,900
how actually they were talking
unities with a different teacher

951
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,500
last year, how they might be
taught in next year and make

952
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,000
sure the pitch is absolutely
right here.

953
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,700
And it's and and that's where
the kind of organization of the

954
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:02,200
subject leads.
We're very lucky in our school.

955
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,000
We have a mazing subject leaders
who put so much time into these

956
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,100
amazing documents where we can
kind of click on and find out as

957
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,400
we're planning.
But in terms of just retaining

958
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,500
it in our head and being able to
naturally do that and in a way

959
00:45:13,508 --> 00:45:15,600
that we can for maths let's say
or for English.

960
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,100
Shhhh shhhh those core subjects
where it's so meticulously laid

961
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,900
out.
I think that idea of giving a

962
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:23,900
school, two pages for history,
curriculum and expecting this

963
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:28,500
beautifully designed like, you
know, well, coherent thing that

964
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,300
works like clockwork.
There's a huge gap, there and

965
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:33,100
workload that is just expect
that happened.

966
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,500
And the idea that Asik ofsted
might scrutinize you on the

967
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,800
effectiveness of this, of what
you do and it's like I got a

968
00:45:37,808 --> 00:45:38,500
minute.
Sorry.

969
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,500
Have you seen the document that
you gave me?

970
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,200
The government, have you, have
you seen the document that I was

971
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,000
actually given?
I think I've done a pretty good

972
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,900
job considering The two pages
that they gave me, this is what

973
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:51,000
I've created from it, like it,
give it, give it, give me a

974
00:45:51,008 --> 00:45:53,300
break, you know, I mean, but in
terms of the specialist

975
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,000
knowledge, are you mentioned,
English and maths?

976
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600
And I do think, like, if I was
to describe a primary school

977
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,900
teacher, what's their specialist
knowledge?

978
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:00,900
A lot of people, I think would
say, oh, nothing, you know, we

979
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,600
teach me everything I love you.
That's true.

980
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:06,900
I think we are really
specialized in teaching early

981
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,300
math and English Core math score
English, the foundations that is

982
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:13,100
our special specialism, you
know, I think that's what we do

983
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,200
but but when it comes to the
other subjects it just Can't be.

984
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:18,600
You might have an invested
interest in one or two other

985
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,100
subjects, right?
And that's just, that's a,

986
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,100
that's a bonus.
That's if we can get that we,

987
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,200
you know, we love those teachers
because if we can get a teacher

988
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,100
in, that is like, super
passionate about history.

989
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,600
It's like brilliant, because
we're going to go, we're going

990
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600
to draw on that knowledge and
that passion.

991
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,700
But generally speaking, no, we
can't be masters of all of these

992
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:38,200
things.
So, we need a well designed

993
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,700
curriculum.
Thanks government for not giving

994
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,600
us that, it's just what it is,
which is why schools will often

995
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,500
buy into schemes and things and
stuff.

996
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,200
Changes a lot over the years
because it is just isn't doing

997
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,900
what you said.
Maybe a scheme doesn't provide

998
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:54,800
that can really good coherence
through the year groups because

999
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,700
it's not going to be the same
person teaching it unlike in

1000
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:59,700
secondary school.
You know.

1001
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,100
I don't know what the year
threes are doing in something of

1002
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,200
I'm in year six.
I can't kind of tweaked my

1003
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,700
teaching on both of those year
groups to so it flows better.

1004
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,600
There has to be a coherence
through the scheme that your

1005
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,700
schools using the teachers can
just pick up.

1006
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,800
And and that's where the work of
subject leaders is just so

1007
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,400
invaluable but it but it is That
it's hours and hours and hours,

1008
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,500
and hours of work.
And I just feel like sometimes

1009
00:47:22,300 --> 00:47:24,500
they're, you know, they've done
it for maths.

1010
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,700
They've, you know, math is like,
you know, about 60 pages of that

1011
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,200
document.
Mmm.

1012
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,700
I just feel like we could get a
bit more detail and it would

1013
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:34,000
just help us out so much in
terms of well-being, a question

1014
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,900
for you.
Why do you think given the fact

1015
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,600
that the curriculum is actually
so short for the foundation

1016
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,600
subjects?
Generally, why do you think we

1017
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,400
do struggle as you know, as a
profession?

1018
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,900
So often and he's always He
seems to have been a problem

1019
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,700
like the last 10 years.
Anyway, we're always harping on

1020
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,500
about how much we struggle to
fit everything in.

1021
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,700
Why do we struggle to fit
everything in?

1022
00:47:53,900 --> 00:48:00,000
Why do you think that is?
I think although it's two pages

1023
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,400
in the curriculum it kind of
leaves.

1024
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,500
So much stuff, open to
interpretation.

1025
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,100
And I think what you've got to
match the curriculum up with is

1026
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,800
various ofsted Frameworks and
ofsted it, you know,

1027
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,900
expectations and I just I can't,
I'm break that link.

1028
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,500
I can't um, break that link of
having worked as a primary

1029
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:22,300
school teacher for many years
and spoken to many teachers in

1030
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,500
lots of different schools.
This isn't just a personal kind,

1031
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,500
Of reflection, it's just an
effect as a teacher being a

1032
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,900
forum seeing lots of people, the
pressure to deliver, all of

1033
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:36,500
these things comes from the
pressure of what ofsted will

1034
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:40,000
expect to see when they come in,
because there's plenty of

1035
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,400
things, I think in the afternoon
curriculum where you could

1036
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,300
probably draw a line much
earlier but it won't be accepted

1037
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,300
and schools fear that it won't
be accepted if ofsted came in

1038
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:51,800
and said, right?
We're going to Deep dive into

1039
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,700
geography, I think a lot of
schools will be very scared and

1040
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:59,600
I think 90% Of what happens half
the time is kind of cover for an

1041
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
offset come in.
As if to say look okay, we

1042
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,300
understand what we just said.
We can't have 16 geography

1043
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,100
Specialists.
That's impossible.

1044
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:12,300
So we have gone out of our way
to create 6789 documents so that

1045
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:15,100
our teachers can click in and
see exactly what they did in

1046
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:16,900
last year.
In this exact topic that kind of

1047
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,000
goes through the whole year
group.

1048
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,000
I think that the problem is
well, being it's just cool, that

1049
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,000
2-page Document Plus ofsted
framework has just created This

1050
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:29,100
horrible cycle of just and I
think the other problem is

1051
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,500
despite it not being you know
very very granular.

1052
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,000
It is very clear.
What you have to do still is

1053
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,500
like in for example, in history
you have to do, you know, a

1054
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,900
British base module and a rest
of the world base module and you

1055
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:45,300
have to go into detail, about
you know, how invasions happen,

1056
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,600
how power struggles happened.
It does manage to fit a lot into

1057
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,900
that, but it doesn't necessarily
tell you how to do it and that's

1058
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,400
where the work that comes in.
I've Got a Theory, right?

1059
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,000
And it might be a little bit.
Specialist in the is just my

1060
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,200
opinion.
Okay, so I want to share with

1061
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,200
you.
I reckon I could fix it.

1062
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:04,300
All right guys, I'm sorry.
Pop up the phone guy.

1063
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:06,400
Hey, hang on, not in this case
only one second.

1064
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Oh yeah, I might no, no listen.
Listen, strikes well-being

1065
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,700
workload mate.
Hold the phone line.

1066
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:15,300
Okay.
Tim Stevens, teach the repeat

1067
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:16,700
make.
This is the this episode.

1068
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:17,700
Here we go.
Ready.

1069
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:19,700
I was gonna play now.
Put your loudspeaker make one

1070
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,900
second and Irish you mate.
Listen, I've got a solution.

1071
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:25,800
No in all seriousness, right?
This is just in time, Just going

1072
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,800
off on here, but just just hear
me out, don't you know?

1073
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,900
Laughing a little straight way,
but if I could go to alternate

1074
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:31,400
universe, this thing is this
can't happen.

1075
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,500
What about to say?
Just won't ever happen, right?

1076
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,700
So I can say hello, because no
one's ever gonna be able to do

1077
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,600
it.
We can't prove me wrong, but I

1078
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,200
think I really do think.
Maybe we do struggle to fit it

1079
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,500
all in.
And I think I've huge problem of

1080
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:47,600
that is the fact that we, that
we have to do, and I say have to

1081
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,800
do in inverted commas, we have
to do so much English and maths

1082
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,100
like that.
Take, it takes up so much of our

1083
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:57,500
daily time.
And I do think that that comes

1084
00:50:57,500 --> 00:51:00,300
from a few different Avenues of
pressure.

1085
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:03,800
For example, the fact that we
are just a judged against it, on

1086
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,800
the teacher level and on a
school level, we just are judged

1087
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,900
on our Master, English results.
So, of course, they're going to

1088
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,800
get an unfair proportion of
like, how much we do have them,

1089
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:15,200
but I truly think if we take the
holistic view of children,

1090
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,100
right?
And we think about you Finland,

1091
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:18,900
the Scandinavian countries, and
all the stuff we were talking

1092
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:22,200
about earlier, and how that,
maybe we should value well-being

1093
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,500
more, because we just don't seem
to do it.

1094
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,900
And we don't seem to link
well-being, to You actually

1095
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:28,300
learn more if you if you are
happy right?

1096
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,800
I would, if I was in charge, I
would massively reduce how much

1097
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,800
math English.
We teach, I reckon, we could

1098
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,800
still hit the same, the same
targets ironically of maths and

1099
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,900
English.
I reckon sure you can still

1100
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:43,800
learn the same amount with
considerably less lessons on it.

1101
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:48,000
And that one phenomenon I've
experienced in my career with

1102
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,000
children is quite often.
When I'll teach something, maybe

1103
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,100
near the end of a term and after
half term that we really solid

1104
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:57,900
in that, Where they've had a bit
of consolidation time where

1105
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,100
their brains just had an actual
moment to just like let it

1106
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:04,600
almost like let that sink in you
know that classic phrase and I

1107
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,000
really I would love to test it.
I wish I could just go and be

1108
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,500
that in charge of my own made-up
universe and do this and I would

1109
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:13,400
I be like cool, right?
Let's massively reduce the

1110
00:52:13,408 --> 00:52:15,300
amount of mass in the issue that
shortened the day a little bit.

1111
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,000
Let's introduce way more fun
stuff.

1112
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,700
That is topic-based.
Centered around the other

1113
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,400
subject still geography, history
and all that but way more of the

1114
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,400
day are these cool.
All fun projects.

1115
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,400
I feel like school for that.
But for me was a bit more like

1116
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,300
that to be honest with you I
think it's changed a lot since I

1117
00:52:30,308 --> 00:52:32,900
was at school a little bit less
maybe you'd have to do maths and

1118
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,500
English every single day for
like an hour and a half each and

1119
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,000
I think I don't think you'd see
a massive decrease in

1120
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,200
performance in math and English
and I think you'd see a huge

1121
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,300
increase in children enjoying
learning enjoying school and

1122
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:48,000
just their well-being will be
better.

1123
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,600
That's my theory.
It's interesting.

1124
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,100
It's interesting, that's wasting
our time on a pipe dream.

1125
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,100
Like I said that you were
drinking in the hope some you

1126
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:04,300
must figure out what.
Yeah, now I've not going to add

1127
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:05,400
to that.
I'm not going to go into it.

1128
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:06,700
I think it's a really
interesting.

1129
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:13,600
I do think you're onto
something, I just look at the

1130
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,300
curriculum.
Then he had to that to kind of

1131
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:20,400
back you up a bit is how the
curriculum since I was at school

1132
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,500
and I'm That old ladies and
gentlemen, has massively dipped

1133
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,100
down.
And what I mean by dip down is

1134
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,900
there's genuinely things that I
did in year 7 and 8 that we now

1135
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:30,800
do in year 4, 5 & 6.
Yeah.

1136
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,900
But that is just a fact that the
level we aspire to reach to

1137
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,800
because governments feel like
they have to be doing something

1138
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200
to show that we're making
progress, we have to reach this

1139
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,100
by.
Then genuinely the stuff in

1140
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:45,300
primary school, that I never did
until secondary school, and it's

1141
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,100
just not necessary.
I'm here.

1142
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:50,700
Hello, nothing changed.
Because I didn't do congruent.

1143
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,800
Goals quicker.
Yeah, yeah.

1144
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,600
I think you're my biggest gripe
and I reckon so many teachers

1145
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,400
that are listening to this right
now.

1146
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,700
I'm going to be like yes because
I just I think this is gonna

1147
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:04,500
nail on the head right.
Writing attainment, I think

1148
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:08,000
being a year, six teacher and it
would don't have any SEC just

1149
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,800
work in a primary school, right?
The level in which the bar has

1150
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,400
become to reach like greater
depth, which anyone listening is

1151
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,800
kind of like above average is
like the highest grade you can

1152
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,700
get in writing by the end of
year.

1153
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,500
Six, I am not joking.
When I say this you have to be a

1154
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:27,800
perfect writer.
Yeah.

1155
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,100
Like you could, you have to be
at the level in which you could

1156
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,700
literature book, and it would
come across as an adult.

1157
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,600
No one would even know you.
I'm not joking, I'm not

1158
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,200
exaggerating.
I'm not exaggerating that people

1159
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,900
that don't.
I want to add something to that

1160
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,300
as to professionals here, you
would agree with me, okay?

1161
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:46,100
The great, the greater depth
barrier for what we're judging

1162
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:53,900
10 year olds on Is higher truly
then ever, I reached until I

1163
00:54:53,908 --> 00:54:57,400
became a teacher and saw what
you needed to do to get there.

1164
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,000
I would never have produced
writing that, that included

1165
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,400
everything that has to be
included to be greater depth

1166
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,600
naturally.
I never ever would have done

1167
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,800
that unless I had the list in
front of me and even then I

1168
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,100
would, I would struggle to get
everything incoherently to make

1169
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:14,900
it, make sure it makes sense.
Once I became really confident

1170
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:17,300
with the kind of Greater depth
standard of teaching, you're

1171
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:20,200
sick, X.
I did actually go back and look

1172
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,600
at some of my old essays and
things that I wrote a university

1173
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,000
before I started teacher
training and I thought because

1174
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,900
my theory was these aren't going
to be as good.

1175
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,500
These the essays I wrote at
University level are not going

1176
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:34,800
to be as good as honestly, the
expectation that we have for

1177
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,100
these children.
So that for me and it's true by

1178
00:55:37,107 --> 00:55:39,300
the way, they weren't a good.
I mean you know maybe it's just

1179
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,900
me but I did but I got through
University just fine and it just

1180
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:43,900
think Christ.
And then I went back and for a

1181
00:55:43,908 --> 00:55:45,700
bit of fun.
With the kids, I found my your

1182
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:47,500
seven books, I still got them
all in the loft.

1183
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:51,500
I found my year 7 because I went
to grammar school and I had my

1184
00:55:51,500 --> 00:55:54,000
English books out.
And I looked at them with the

1185
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,300
children and I was like, I
could, I was almost a bit

1186
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,100
embarrassed, really?
But I just wanted to show you

1187
00:55:58,107 --> 00:55:59,100
because they were feeling a bit
down.

1188
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,700
At this time, they were like,
really hard on themselves and I

1189
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,000
was like, you, I doing so
amazing.

1190
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,800
It's not your fault that the bar
is like, unacceptably high.

1191
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:10,500
You're doing so well, just look
at what I did in year 7, and

1192
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,600
it's right was rubbish.
At my punctuation was all over

1193
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,700
the place.
I did, I honestly didn't know

1194
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,300
what I was doing.
I did not write particularly

1195
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:19,500
well but it wasn't as valued.
Then what I was good at was just

1196
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:22,300
being creative.
I had really nice creative

1197
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:24,400
sentences, they weren't
punctuated very well and they

1198
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,200
didn't always make perfect
sense.

1199
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,100
But yeah, well, that's what I
always heard.

1200
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,200
You know, you've had it as well.
That curriculum did move towards

1201
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,300
more of a, you know,
old-fashioned include this

1202
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,800
punctuation.
That bind us were type.

1203
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:40,200
We need to know what knocks
other auxiliary verb is guys

1204
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,500
because that's more important
than this.

1205
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,400
Massively interesting piece of
writing you're doing, I need to

1206
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,000
do a check box of this this
this, and this to tick you off

1207
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,800
it.
Yeah.

1208
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,300
You know, it's just it's what it
is.

1209
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:57,000
It's this is the problem when
politics and education are so

1210
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,600
entwined.
You know it's always going to be

1211
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,800
the case that we're going to be
at the whim of the government's

1212
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,000
fancy at the time to prove a
point that may be nothing to do

1213
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,000
with education.
It's just a point of, you know.

1214
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:10,200
Yeah, one thing that always
stick to Me, Maybe we can finish

1215
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,700
up very soon.
We've got a couple of stories

1216
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:12,800
this week and then we'll finish
up.

1217
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,000
Maybe, but one thing that always
sticks, me is in the new

1218
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,700
curriculum when I was at
University, so they The

1219
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:19,800
curriculum was brand-new pretty
much because I went to

1220
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,400
University in 2014 or 15 for
teaching.

1221
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,600
And so, the curriculum is one or
two years old.

1222
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:26,600
They always were saying, the new
curriculum, the new curriculum

1223
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,100
which to us was just the
curriculum.

1224
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:30,800
And one of the lecturers made
this point.

1225
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:33,600
He was talking about how we're
trying to encourage children to

1226
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,900
be active, and to be fit and to
move more, so big Drive.

1227
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,900
Okay, showed how old school.
This was, we go obviously the

1228
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,700
education sector at the time.
Who, you know, this curriculum

1229
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:47,500
was his baby, very Victorian,
very old-fashioned.

1230
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,200
And and it was summed up by
this.

1231
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,000
It was given as an example in
one of the documents at the

1232
00:57:53,008 --> 00:57:56,200
time, of a way to discipline a
child for doing something wrong

1233
00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:59,000
was to send them to do laps of
the field.

1234
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:04,100
In 2013 that was published as a
punishment.

1235
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,500
And the idea was, what are you
doing?

1236
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,700
Making exercise running a
punishment, like what is that

1237
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:12,100
saying again?
From the T know, whatever time

1238
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,100
for our, you know, they love
what his thought.

1239
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,800
I did get some movie.
No, did it?

1240
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,200
It takes two boxes, two birds
with one stone.

1241
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
I don't it.
Yeah, I don't even think it was

1242
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,200
that.
I don't even.

1243
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,500
Give them that much credit.
I think they went.

1244
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,100
Well, I did it when I was at
eated, we turned out.

1245
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,100
All right.
Did we know you didn't make it.

1246
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,500
So do one.
His eye, when he said, I've

1247
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,000
talked to my granddad or
something like that, and it will

1248
00:58:32,008 --> 00:58:34,400
say things like, oh, yeah, it
was telling the same story every

1249
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,100
time.
You know, I remember getting me

1250
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:40,700
Knuckles rapped by a cane or I
do you see a board rubber like

1251
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:43,700
flying across the room?
It hit you in the head but they

1252
00:58:43,707 --> 00:58:45,500
don't, but my granddaughter.
She doesn't look back at that

1253
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,900
fondly.
He looks back at that as I thank

1254
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:49,500
God it changed because that was
Dreadful.

1255
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:52,600
Yeah, it made me hate being at
school so I was actually quite

1256
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,600
relieved to hear that did it.
Yeah.

1257
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:59,100
Oh, what being hit on the head?
70 years later, they also do all

1258
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:00,000
bitter.
That?

1259
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,500
Yeah, it was a terrible
experience, wasn't it?

1260
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:02,900
It's like you're literally cause
it's wrong.

1261
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:05,300
I like this ridiculous.
Of course, we need to move away

1262
00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:09,900
from Google goes old school.
Victorian methods of teaching,

1263
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:12,300
what a ridiculous time, anyway,
Hayden, I've got a couple of

1264
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:15,200
story, so we'll play the jingle
and we'll wrap it up and there's

1265
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,500
some good ones, there's some
good ones.

1266
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:24,500
So, guys, stick around past the
jingle, Wow guys, you made it

1267
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:27,600
your back again, after through
all the ads, the three seconds

1268
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:29,200
every second.
What's going on?

1269
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Dylan what was your stories may?
Come on.

1270
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
I wanna hear some good stuff.
So I loved it this week, I

1271
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,200
absolutely love that this week
last week, we talked about

1272
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,500
teacher training and again,
every now and then.

1273
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:40,700
I asked her story.
Some people send us some I

1274
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:42,600
didn't even ask for any of this
week and we got one of our

1275
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,800
listeners who messaged us.
How does it go again?

1276
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Oh Instagram, which is teach
sleep.

1277
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Repeat podcast, find us there
and send us messages.

1278
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,600
We love it but this listener got
in touch and it was leaked to

1279
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,000
teach training because she is
training to become a teacher.

1280
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:02,400
So I'm going to read this to
you.

1281
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Hey, Adam, I just I love these
stories.

1282
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,200
I also love it when people send
a stories and have written it in

1283
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,000
a way that we read it because I
can just sit here on my phone

1284
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,800
and tell you.
So I've read this, you haven't,

1285
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,900
I just loved it.
So I'm going to start from the

1286
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:15,900
top.
Hey guys, I'm a regular

1287
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:18,200
listening to your podcast and
I'm a teacher in training doing

1288
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,100
a three-year-long degree.
I absolutely love your podcast

1289
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:24,100
and it says the reality are both
positive and negative of

1290
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:27,000
teaching that they don't prepare
you for in universities.

1291
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,200
I know that these stories are
probably a bit too late for the

1292
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,500
teacher training episode, but I
wanted you to have them.

1293
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Anyway, I didn't have to read
that but it's really lovely.

1294
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,500
So I wanted to let everyone know
especially said it was really

1295
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,900
nice to read so thank you
anyway.

1296
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,800
The first one, some background
information so it's public

1297
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,100
knowledge that my favorite
animals are cows.

1298
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,900
I I have a cow print, Apple
watch strap and often wear cow,

1299
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,200
print clothing, as a teacher as
a training teacher.

1300
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,400
I like to ask her children
random questions to get to know

1301
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:54,700
them.
I used to love that part, you

1302
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:57,300
know, when you first went into
school and you start building

1303
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:59,700
relationships with the first
time, the class is so good.

1304
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,100
Anyway, she likes to end them
last time random questions to

1305
01:01:02,107 --> 01:01:03,600
get to know, like, what's your
favorite color?

1306
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,200
Animal's food.
So she's in a history class and

1307
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,000
there was one child who they
were just a bit aware of would

1308
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,100
be shouting, would kind of have
no filter.

1309
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,700
Yes, Was aware of this child,
very lovely kid, but just kind

1310
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,000
of wasn't able to keep thoughts
in their head sometimes which is

1311
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000
also always a recipe for a good
story.

1312
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:26,600
It was also well known.
That, his favorite animals are

1313
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,800
pigs.
So everything he has is pig

1314
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,300
related.
So he it's a good combo here.

1315
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:33,700
The teacher has a favorite
animal of cow and he has a pig.

1316
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:38,000
Anyway, now I call the children
chickens, I refer to the whole

1317
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,800
class as my flock.
I love that, I love that.

1318
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,200
Yeah, I pet names from like
icicle and chicken nuggets for a

1319
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,000
bit.
And now just like Yeah, they

1320
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,800
were just like obsessive it.
So she calls her two children

1321
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,300
chickens and then they have
flock, I don't know why I do it

1322
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:55,900
but the histories find it
hilarious.

1323
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:59,000
Anyway, I was having my observed
English lesson with my mentor.

1324
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,200
My University lecturer.
The lesson was going great and I

1325
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,800
gave them a think, pie, share
activity.

1326
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,100
I think this is just where they
basically go off and share their

1327
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:08,400
ideas.
I've never heard of this, so I'd

1328
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,900
be interested to know what that
is exactly, but basically the

1329
01:02:10,908 --> 01:02:13,300
children were discussing their
thoughts on a on something.

1330
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:15,700
They just covered And all was
fine.

1331
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,900
I regained The Chosen attention
and obviously there are a few

1332
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:21,900
that are really deep into
conversation and just use this

1333
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:24,400
opportunity for chat General
chitchat and chatter.

1334
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:26,900
So she begins to say right
chickens.

1335
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:31,500
Next, we're going to and that
one child, that loves Pig's

1336
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:33,400
blood out.
I'm not a chicken.

1337
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:39,800
I'm a pig and you're a cow.
Now, the whole class is in days

1338
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,700
dying with laughter and she had
to tell the class teacher, the

1339
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:46,300
background, X so that she
wouldn't just go and tell him

1340
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:51,400
how is like an insult as well as
it you can tell you're a cow.

1341
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:55,200
Oh God, oh my gosh.
That's so funny.

1342
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,200
I just, I loved, I didn't even
think about that.

1343
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,500
But to you even through the
story, I was like walking.

1344
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:00,500
Yeah.
Call me.

1345
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:02,500
Yes, she's a cow, she's a couch.
She got cash.

1346
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:03,800
Drop on.
She's wearing a cowboy dress

1347
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,600
because it shall not.
Wait a minute.

1348
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:09,300
That's pretty love that are not.
It's so nice.

1349
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,800
It's on listening to our podcast
and and also the fact they said

1350
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:14,500
it's nice to hear the positive
and negative.

1351
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:16,800
Because we do worry sometimes
because we do like to most.

1352
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,200
Everyone loves moaning, right?
We love moaning is great but we

1353
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,200
do also think very highly of the
profession as well.

1354
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,700
So, it's glad I'm glad someone
picked up on that.

1355
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:27,900
I've got a, I've got another one
from her because she sent to,

1356
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:29,900
and I said, I'd say them both
because they did really make me

1357
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:30,700
laugh.
Yeah, sweet.

1358
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,500
So this one, this one's more.
This one's more embarrassing for

1359
01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,100
the teacher.
We have about 80 really exact.

1360
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:40,500
I can imagine doing this so my
other placement story there.

1361
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,300
Sorry my other story in the
placement school is they have

1362
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,100
this A system of behavior.
Basically of give me five.

1363
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:49,500
So when you say give me five to
the children, they know they

1364
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:52,200
have to stop talking.
Listen, put down whatever is in

1365
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,600
their hands, put the hands in
the air, you know, five

1366
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,400
different.
The show me.

1367
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,400
Show me three good things that
kind of thing, just to get their

1368
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:58,200
attention.
Basically.

1369
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,400
Yeah.
And so, the saying they're

1370
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,300
saying, the school is give me
five.

1371
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:05,000
Now, I had a lesson that went
really well and my mentor

1372
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,700
quickly just was giving me
feedback via the sheet as the

1373
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:11,500
children were tidying up at the
end of the lesson, gave me a few

1374
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:14,800
points from it and the children
was getting ready for Next

1375
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,900
lesson, basically, for English
whilst my class teacher is

1376
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,500
talking to me and given me my
positive feedback.

1377
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:23,100
She says, give me five and puts
a hand up.

1378
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,400
So I high-five her, we both look
at each other.

1379
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Like, what the hell is just
happened?

1380
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,600
Because she was just saying it
to give feedback about the, give

1381
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:39,600
me 50, the kids, the kids start
with a day.

1382
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,800
Or look, I was really confused
with two adults at the front,

1383
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,100
just giving five.
I ended up hiding in the supply

1384
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:48,600
cupboard for 10 minutes.
Pretending to read my feedback.

1385
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Try not to laugh or cry with
embarrassment.

1386
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,600
It's like you and it's time for
me to buy.

1387
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,200
Oh, that's so awkward.
I had a feeling.

1388
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:00,100
It was gonna be something like
that.

1389
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:02,700
I was like, give me five.
That's that's really ambiguous.

1390
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:03,900
Yeah, the content.
Yeah.

1391
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,000
I think it was really good.
How, you know, you said, give me

1392
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:14,100
50 smack awkward.
And we thought that before every

1393
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:16,300
time Times a day early in your
career and especially when

1394
01:05:16,308 --> 01:05:18,300
you're training and in the
school you don't quite know.

1395
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,300
I spent so much of my time just
pretending to do something

1396
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:25,000
because sometimes you just sit
around like, oh and I just, I

1397
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,500
just really my, I'm reading my
feedback 54 times in a row about

1398
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:31,500
my Pace needs to improve.
Yes, my Pace some yes.

1399
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,000
Pretend to think about it.
And yeah.

1400
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,700
So hilariously, let's give it up
for.

1401
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:38,700
Give me five things.
Like a very similar thing

1402
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:40,700
happened in my class today
between two children, I can't

1403
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:42,900
stop giggling for a few minutes
afterwards because it was just

1404
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:46,400
funny and it was just a simple
Or as this we just played times

1405
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,300
they will shoot out right?
And the person that went in my

1406
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:51,200
class are obsessed.
As you know, with this game like

1407
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,100
they all they want to do is play
these games.

1408
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:55,000
I have to let them occasionally
by occasion.

1409
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,500
I mean, every day all day.
No and neither to the child

1410
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,400
walked back to her place.
And one of the other kids are

1411
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,200
really nice, just when are well
done and put his hand up to like

1412
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,100
give to give a high-five to this
kid and they just didn't see.

1413
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:09,500
And I was watching from the, you
know, I had the perfect

1414
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:13,100
spectator position.
I was watching I'll see again

1415
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,700
normally The if you, if you go
to your high five, to someone,

1416
01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:18,900
they don't do it within like two
seconds, firstly, you're

1417
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:21,400
horribly embarrassed and
secondly, you give up like, you

1418
01:06:21,408 --> 01:06:22,500
do.
There's nothing worse than

1419
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:27,600
lingering and this kid bless
him. 10 seconds went past and he

1420
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,500
was like all, like, moving
around as well, trying to get

1421
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:31,500
the attention still.
Like if I did leave this, but

1422
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:33,400
and they just didn't notice.
They were, like, not in the

1423
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,000
zone.
I had to intervene because it

1424
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,100
was so awkward.
As I do.

1425
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,500
Oh, look around.
You gonna made the person notice

1426
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:42,300
as, oh, that's nice, isn't it?
But like cringing inside a, how

1427
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,400
long you waited?
And he was like, yeah, I know, I

1428
01:06:45,408 --> 01:06:46,400
saw him.
I don't want to.

1429
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,300
Yeah, I don't want a child only
95.

1430
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,100
So, yeah, I just thought as
well, two things from that.

1431
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,000
Those stories really made me
crack up.

1432
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,200
I read them in school from the
enough before meeting, I was in

1433
01:06:58,207 --> 01:07:00,700
between the end of school and
meeting and I just sort of pop

1434
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:03,000
up.
I was just laughing at myself,

1435
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:07,400
but also, just half the time
when I asked for stories, we get

1436
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,200
a couple, but the best stories
of always come randomly, and it

1437
01:07:11,207 --> 01:07:13,500
was really nice to hear from
that listener that she likes the

1438
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:15,400
podcast.
So guys, if you do this, we know

1439
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,000
you're out there we do, Ulysses
are out there.

1440
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,900
I'm the same.
When I listen to podcasts, I

1441
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:20,600
just listened to them.
I'm a huge fan.

1442
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,000
I don't normally get in touch,
but now I do my own podcast.

1443
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:27,700
I understand how much it means
to them when people get in touch

1444
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,200
and especially as we've kind of
like still, like I'm nicely

1445
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:31,900
tight, tight knit community of
listeners.

1446
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,100
It's we love reading your
stories.

1447
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,200
So even if you just want to get
in, touch to say hi stroke.

1448
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,800
Our ego a little bit.
Make us feel good about

1449
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,400
ourselves.
You know, just do it guys.

1450
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,800
Just do it and if you've got an
amazing stories, please do send

1451
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,900
them.
I'm because I know Hayden.

1452
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:47,900
I still have loads to tell my
still going to spread them.

1453
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:50,100
I can probably go for 100
episodes of stories but we want

1454
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,700
your ones as well.
So yeah, thanks for getting in

1455
01:07:52,707 --> 01:07:53,700
touch.
That was really cool.

1456
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,500
Guys, thanks for making it this
long.

1457
01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:00,800
We actually started off Hayden
said before this very episode.

1458
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,000
Let's make it a short one.
We can't we just can't do it

1459
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,900
anymore.
We just get too far into it but

1460
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:07,400
another great discussion
absolutely love that.

1461
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:10,100
And would you know we've done
guys I'm going to tell you now

1462
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,800
because we always have these
loads of ideas for podcast.

1463
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,300
We've sat down and we've mapped
out the next 12.

1464
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,600
So we are here for the Long
Haul.

1465
01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:23,500
We are going to make it happen.
We're 12.

1466
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,700
Also done.
We've also measured someone

1467
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:28,700
about coming up to the podcast
with the very first time.

1468
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:29,899
Yeah.
Heard nothing.

1469
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:32,300
Back from them - yeah, that's
good.

1470
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:34,399
Well, we've got a few others in
the pipeline owe me.

1471
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,399
So I haven't had any do.
So it is if we got no guests,

1472
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,399
ignore this but just just
hopefully didn't listen to this

1473
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,100
podcast, right guys?
Let's wrap it up.

1474
01:08:41,108 --> 01:08:46,100
Let's wrap it up.
So I've had enough guys to know

1475
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:47,100
what?
Hayden.

1476
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:49,399
Yeah, listeners.
Yeah customers.

1477
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:50,600
Yeah.
See that.

1478
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Bye.