Ep 12: What Is Teacher Training Really Like?

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Well, lucky listeners.
Have we got a treat for you

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today?
We've got our first caller in

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Gary gum on from Crawley.
Hi Gary.

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Thanks for calling it to the
show.

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How are you?
I'll be honest.

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Ellen, I don't normally listen,
but I'm currently disgusted at.

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What used to Sir promoting to
your woky Lefty fans?

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Oh yes, girls that then what we
promoting as if you don't know,

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you looked as bad as a bloody
nurses.

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I think it's absolutely
appalling.

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That you have got the nerve to
go on strike again.

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You got your They offer, what
more do you greedy?

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Not one Burger.
You know, some people would

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argue, there's a lot more to it
than just that you have a

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monkey's to be like stealing,
the Kings coronation is coming

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up.
We're supposed to be enjoying

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this time and now I've got
occupy my son Malcolm oh for

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another day right on the lead-up
to use year, six sets, because

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you lot are too selfish to
consider that Anya.

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Oh Gary, what do you say to you?
Perhaps the king could move his

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bank holiday, which happens to
take place on a day on the

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actual week of the Satchel
talking about your honestly, It

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just you disgusting.
How dare you insult our King

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like that?
Do you do you not think we can

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take one day out to come
together as a country for an

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important event?
Or is that too right wing for

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you know Gary Gary I guess
you're you're maybe right there.

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Maybe you do have a point and
the Kings coronation is actually

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far more important than saving
our failing education system.

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Making sure that teachers are
professionals can actually keep

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up with inflation and can afford
to heat their homes.

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I truly believe that wearing red
white and blue for a whole day

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is far more important.
Other than that and how dare we

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be striking?
God, Save the King.

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to another episode

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of teach sleep.
Repeat, my name is Dylan and my

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name is Hayden, and I'm quite
pleased to interrupt me this

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week.
Aiden, thank you.

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I was tempted.
I must admit.

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Well, you know what the script
is to say every week apparently

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and I'm really conscious of it.
Now, I think maybe next week,

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I'll try some, some kind of
different introduction than what

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it is.
Now you know how I felt when

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people you know, mocking the way
I said my name back in episode 1

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back in the day.
Well do you remember dreamt

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about then Back when TVs are
black and white, it's crazy.

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The single digits with it before
you are double digits in a

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scientist.
Just now, when I was younger,

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just made me think of this very
quickly, very, really odd

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tangent that we're going on,
literally seconds into the

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podcast.
Did you ever have those select

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quiz things?
You believe when you're younger,

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because you're a child and no
one's ever explain it to you.

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I got to about 9 or 10 years old
before I realized that the

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actual world wasn't black and
white.

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I thought the the actual planet
with if Don was black and white

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until that the 40s or 50s and
then that's what I thought

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happened.
When gotta record eyes, I can't

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think of any good ones now, but
I know for a fact that they were

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tons of those sorts of things,
but growing up, you realize

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these things.
And you realize how silly it was

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that you thought that thing for
so long.

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But I can't think any good
examples of it, if they come to

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me, I will just blurt them in
this podcast to blurt them out.

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And maybe we can ask people at
home there, something similar in

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that because it's such a common
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Like it almost is almost on par
with, you know, genuinely some

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children.
I know it's a joke but they

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genuinely don't think that
teachers exist outside of

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school, might be is no one's
ever.

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You know, when they see that
illusion shattered, that was

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actually one of the things that
did that did genuinely happen

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for me.
I remember being in your to, and

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having my world blown, when I
found out that it wasn't true,

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but I really genuinely believe
that my teacher slept in the

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Attic of the school.
And she'd always point up to

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this, like, you know, the
classic square like Square Tile

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rules, where you can just push
them.

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Obviously, she'd always say
like, yeah, I sleep in there and

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I fully believed it.
I had no reason not to.

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And then when I found out that
wasn't true, I did.

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Remember, we are raising a whole
A generation of children who

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believe that we're cousins.
So, you know, they will believe,

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whatever still happens.
Every now and then someone says,

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I was your cousin to admit it.
So your brother.

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I know they're talking about
you, it's brilliant crazy.

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But yeah.
So this is the first week back

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after halftime, and we actually
carried on the podcast for at

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the halftime.
And only when you mentioned to

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me, you're like, oh we could
have had a break and I was like,

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oh we could have, but we love
doing it, we're back, we're

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here.
And many of you might know,

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obviously, we don't record it on
a Friday morning.

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That would be ludicrous.
Because it's really sunny Friday

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morning.
It's currently Wednesday

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evening.
So we just have three days and

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how you feeling?
Hey, Mark, you know what?

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I'm exhausted.
I'm exhausted.

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It's be threat.
I just please tell me.

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If you're listening, please
write in and tell me that it's

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not just me.
And maybe Dylan who once you

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have a week off or two weeks
off, in this case, I honestly,

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I, it takes me like a week to
adjust to go to going back to

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working working full time at
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It's just so exhausting, do you
All the same.

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Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
I may be other teachers can kind

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of comment on this, but I feel
like it's a constant wave.

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I think the first week back is
just hit you like a train,

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doesn't it?
And then I feel personally.

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I really hit my groove week. 2
week 3, week 4 and then it kind

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of slides.
But it sounds pathetic, doesn't

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it?
I can imagine people listening

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to this who have four weeks off
a year and we talked about this

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with director time.
We don't need to go back in to

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justify how much work we do.
And how much time off we get

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time off in.
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But it, you know it's about
sound crazy.

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When I like, oh god, he has been
which had two weeks off my three

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weeks in.
Now, we're just knackered.

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It's like, but it's true.
It's just so intense.

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Isn't it scoffs?
I get my voice like my throat

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hurts?
I don't know about you.

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That always happens to me in
week one always within the first

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day or two, really really sore
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And I think it's just from you,
just, you talk a lot.

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You talk loudly a lot at school
with kids and and is not normal

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like you don't do that outside.
So, he relaxed with seaweed and

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normally You go back to just
constantly speaking a bit louder

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to lots of people.
I've made that point before.

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It's so true that you know what,
your base level voice is a

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teacher is twice as loud as any
other time in your life ever.

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Yeah.
And I've said before and I've

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said to the children because we
talked about this, don't we

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before about how personally, I
know you're similar.

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I don't like bellowing at the
children.

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I've always had this weird thing
of I'm this, you know, imposing

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old like old say old person.
I'm not that old imposing

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adults.
With like a booming voice.

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I want to have one.
And the idea of me, bellowing

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absolutely bellowing constantly
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I just feel uncomfortable with
doing that, but the why say to

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the children is look, I don't
like having a go at you guys.

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Whenever I have to complain
about something as I hate it, I

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don't like complaining.
And actually, when I use my

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voice, it's for safety.
John, we absolutely shout at

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them.
But then, I also made the point

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to them because they were doing
a performance.

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And you know what children are
like when they get their books

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up to the front is so Oh sweet.
Because for some children, just

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standing at the front of the
room, sit reading something,

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they've written to their peers.
That's enough for me.

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I'm like cool.
Fantastic, you know, you can

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Mumble into your page, all you
want because that's where you

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are in terms of your public
speaking and stuff.

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But I remember stood in front of
the children, making the point

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of saying can you imagine
speaking?

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Like I'm speaking now sat at the
table with your parents at

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dinner like it's completely
different.

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Yeah.
And when you come up to the

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front, you use your normal
talking points which is much

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more soft because you just turn
you just tell me you mates like

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this, but listen to what I'm
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Making sure my voice fills this
room and they were like, oh

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yeah.
And they kind of all realized,

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how a natural voice when you're
teaching is, it's actually

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really loud.
It's interesting Paradox,

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actually anyone's this thing.
Anyone, any teachers will know

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this children constantly pretty
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It can get quite frustrating,
always trying to, you know,

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quite in them down and it was
during a lesson.

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That's just a common thing.
You ask them to read something

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at the front of the class, and
if you say to them, oh, could

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you speak up, please?
It's not loud enough, 100% of

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the time.
I'm, they will net.

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They will not increase the
volume of air voice.

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I've never ever, ever actually
experience a child going, oh

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yeah, sorry, I'll be louder now.
And then being loud up.

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They don't do it.
They look at you.

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They're not.
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Carry on reading.
Exactly the same volume.

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If anyone's ever with something
different, I don't know.

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You might, you might want to be
a bit worried because that's not

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normal the best of it.
The best thing they do sometimes

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is they'll just lower their book
slightly and I'm like, oh, okay

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it's happening.
Same couldn't hear it.

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Come here.
Sad the front next to them and

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I'm like, what?
Sorry Connie.

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I'll bless them.
But yeah, I mean, in terms of

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first week back it's just, it's
just crazy.

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I felt really good actually
during the way I love it.

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When you see your class again,
for the first time after a

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break, I absolutely love it
because I just want to just want

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to see them.
That's the first thing.

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But also they're just full of
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They come in, they're making
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There's just so many funny
moments, with the children off

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the cuff, when they're just
like, just saying hi for the

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first time and they're just
acting.

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Cool.
Trying to make you laugh.

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And I just, I just love it.
And when it got to Wednesday,

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which is obviously today,
because this is the only thing

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that people always take the mick
out as about is because we start

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working on Wednesday.
And I know we walk around God.

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I'm knackered and they're like,
yes I've got two more days of

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this and already how long's it
been since We've been doing

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three days later I think a year
and a half maybe I can't imagine

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carrying on and again people
listening to this or a teacher's

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more than likely very, sorry
it's Friday for you and you've

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got your last day but it's just
crazy.

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You just fit what you're used to
do.

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Like I've kind of realized that
you know whatever you're doing

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at that time.
You just like you will fit your

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mind or just become exhausted by
the end of it.

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I think, with Dylan's trying to
say to anyone, listening is.

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Yeah, it's Friday.
You're on your way to work.

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We're not, we are sat home feet
up, probably most likely Dylan

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Only thinking about you guys and
how you're doing is not we

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having today.
Actually, we're probably still

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in bed, I'll be honest with you,
so, yeah.

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You know, it's tough doing three
days a week.

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We find it really tough.
But enjoy your work Copy, Stop

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it.
Those are those that audience

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size is going to shrink after
that.

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But I tell you what, it's a good
chance if you're listening to

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this and it is ATM on the
Friday.

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the beat and just crying over
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Do you think 2010 follow us for

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Who will honestly click on
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What is teacher training really
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Wouldn't so teacher training.

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I'll say that.

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It's tough.
It's not an easy year.

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I think that.
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I would say I had no life

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It wasn't it.

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I knew it.
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that I did the pgce As did you
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training course there Are
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for people.
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pgce and yeah, I got a few funny
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Now I think what we've got

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clarify Hayden and I went to
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radio and television.
So putting that to good use here

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the podcast.
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he's you see, it's just one
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status as well, but it's just, I
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giving that kind of insight into
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There.
It's really intense and what

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really interests me is as two
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kind of fresh.
We just worked a supermarket it.

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Because if Hayden eyes lives
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We also have the same job before
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It's all we knew.

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loved it.
Dedicated all the time to, it

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didn't mind putting weekend time
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passion.
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And I think as the Times Gone

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on, you, reflect back on your
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that was so intense.
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flounder a little bit and worry
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because you have to commit so
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my teacher training and it was
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very quickly.
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group of people who are going
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well.
And someone, we're really good

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friends with both of us.
Now who quit his job after

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working for 20 years as an
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understand how much work this
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in, you know, a very decent job
very well, respected job as.

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have no idea like because it was
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career is, I don't think we did
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and looking back.
Now, it's laughable, is to

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really just listen to those more
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Whether it's more experienced,
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profession telling you.
No no you need to slow down

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you're going to burn out like
they know that but also those

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profession back?
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they, what are they complaining
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In this new thing SRT of
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Where, you know, all we've got
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some marks into an Excel sheet,
what's so bad about that?

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wow.
If you're training to be a

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teacher, listen to the
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And if you Even if you think you
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moment, just take it in because
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And that's such a such a really
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wish I could tell myself that if
I went back there, anything that

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you'd want to tell yourself if
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And just think just do this
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Aw, it's a tough one.
I think I don't know.

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II got really obsessed, really
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areas of knowledge.
That sounds really silly, but I

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don't know, I don't know where I
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do you mean like specific?
Like such a privilege to teach

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subject knowledge, which is
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I don't know why I can't really
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subject on which I focused on
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percent of the subject
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your career where you change
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you change topics, you change
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You do different things.
All the time, you're constantly

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just learning and then teaching
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Just no all of it beforehand.
You just kind of have to touch

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up on these things.
And I remember being Obsessive

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like know this thing has told
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I need to know the parts of a
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I need to know the model plant.
I have it on my wall, I'll earn

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a part of my plan and I also
need to know this, like specific

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geography thing.
I have to know.

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This is told me that I've got to
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The course.
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like God, so naive like that was
like one of about 400 different

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topics.
I've now, since taught, you

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know, it's just so silly.
Like, just chill out.

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Like you said, I didn't need to
sit there stressing about this

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stuff.
What I needed to focus on was

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the pedagogy, which Still think
is a really good.

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Good advice for people.
The important stuff was that

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this is how you teach this is
psychology, this is how it

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works.
These are the different ways

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that children's brains will
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You need to understand all of
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a moment and be adaptable to a
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can provide the best learning
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Child that for me, like oh wait,
I kind of put that on par with

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all this random subject
knowledge and to me now I'm like

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cool.
The subject knowledge is almost

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like I'll learn that when I need
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It's fine.
Okay, we'll pick that up.

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I would just draw it very
quickly.

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I think, maybe you probably
think the same thing, but there

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are certain subjects on a job
would put on the same part as

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pedagogy I'm asking English, you
know, it's a bit different, I'm

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thinking, like, the plot, the
plant stuff.

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Yeah, of course, like mean
there's no, it's almost scary.

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Knowing that like that the names
that specifically remembering at

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that point, the, the names of
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I put that on the same level as
also learning about, you know,

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how the brain works.
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Safeguarding.
And Yeah, it's just that.

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If I could go back, I built it
right?

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Just chill out.
Go.

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And actually have an hour to
yourself for a start.

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Just forget about that stuff and
how you can learn that later.

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Okay.
If you got a topic coming out

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about plants, learn it.
Then you'll be fine.

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But right now, have an hour off
and then focus on the, you know,

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the more important stuff about
how teaching actually works.

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The bits that you really need to
know to be a good teacher.

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So in terms of teacher training,
okay?

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This is something we've touched
on before, but I really want to

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dive deeper into this now, if
you were to break up teacher

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training, Get into time at
University time in school.

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Yeah, time studying pedagogy
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outside of University and
outside of school and literal

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just throwing yourself into the
community of the school, talking

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to teachers, listening to them,
chatting to them.

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Informally, how would you rank
them in terms of you personally,

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how much you feel they mold you
into a good to?

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Yeah, that's a really good
question.

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So I reckon people give
different answers to this one.

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So for me and I think you might
agree with this first part the

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most valuable part of teacher
training.

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I don't know if this does this
count, correct me if I'm wrong,

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but it was the bit just after
teacher training when I was

454
00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:28,900
dumped in a school.
And it was like that's your

455
00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:30,500
responsibility now.
But if I'm going back a

456
00:20:30,508 --> 00:20:32,300
statement, let's say that b not
included because like, I

457
00:20:32,308 --> 00:20:33,800
technically have qualified by
that point.

458
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:36,300
Yes, your most valuable part was
the placements.

459
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,600
So, being in school was like, by
far for me that I did the most

460
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,500
learning.
Experience I had and I would put

461
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:47,300
s the pedagogy stuff.
I personally really enjoyed

462
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,200
learning about like, you know,
all the psychologists that come

463
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,200
up for our course and learning
about that how this all works,

464
00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:57,200
why stuff works, why we do
certain things in schools and

465
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,200
also more importantly, I found
the things to avoid.

466
00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,800
There's a lot of natural things,
I think that people would do,

467
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,100
and if someone random came into
into the classroom, and I said,

468
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:07,800
they never taught anything
before and I said, go on, teach

469
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,700
this subject are, they probably
do a bunch of things that sit

470
00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:12,100
there be like.
Clear.

471
00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:15,000
Don't know this little bit and
I'd be thinking of some pedagogy

472
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,100
that I learned.
I think it's really important.

473
00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:20,800
I know other people might not
value it as much, but no, I

474
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,900
think it's because there's got
to be something that separates

475
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:26,000
us as professionals, right?
Because realistically that's

476
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,600
strip it back.
You talked about subject

477
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,100
knowledge, right?
You don't need to know

478
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:31,600
everything off the top of your
head for certain subjects, but

479
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,700
there are certain things in
terms of math and English, we do

480
00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,500
whatever.
But my point here is that nearly

481
00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:39,800
at, you know, every single adult
in the professional world would

482
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,700
be able to teach themselves to
stuff that we're teaching these

483
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,900
That your odds, right?
We're in half an hour

484
00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:46,300
beforehand, so yeah, that that
you're absolutely right to me.

485
00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:47,900
That's irrelevant.
That is genuinely almost

486
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:50,000
irrelevant because cool.
If I'm expecting an

487
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,100
eight-year-old to cross this,
then I can still be a specialist

488
00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,900
in certain things, but there's
other stuff, which I can just

489
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,100
pick up, Average, Joe can pick
them up.

490
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,400
There's got to be something that
kind of separates us as a

491
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,800
profession and I think that
pedagogy is a huge part of that.

492
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,000
It's like, you know, but I think
also experience is a huge part

493
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,000
of that because you can be book
smart when it comes to teaching,

494
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,700
right the zone of proximal
development vygotsky.

495
00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:14,800
It was brilliant on paper and as
I cool, well, essentially boiled

496
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,200
down to was you need to
challenge the children enough

497
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,900
that they're going to make
progress, but not enough that

498
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:21,500
they're switched off and they
can't access it.

499
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,600
Like that's basically what it
boiled down to which made sense,

500
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,500
and it was brilliant to sit
there and learn on these things.

501
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,500
But I would say, from my
teaching experience working with

502
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:37,800
the children and equally if not
more having unbelievable

503
00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:44,000
teachers to watch to learn from.
And to actually get insight from

504
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,300
and for me to be able to say and
I've said it before, I know she

505
00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,000
listens to the podcast and I'm
going to name drop.

506
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,500
You don't have Donna.
Donna, name-drop you Fran.

507
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,600
I don't to make you feel cold
air.

508
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,600
And but I always say the same
thing.

509
00:22:56,700 --> 00:23:00,900
I walked in first date each
training there, I remember it

510
00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:03,700
vividly because it was that
moment where I thought, I think

511
00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,400
I'm in the right job.
I walked in teacher training,

512
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:10,400
walked around the corner.
Fran that's my teacher who I did

513
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,900
my first placement with.
Handing out, lab coats and City

514
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:16,400
goggles because her class that
morning were doing a class

515
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,100
assembly.
And just watching the way she

516
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,900
was with the children, the
Comanche had over them whilst

517
00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,500
not being stressy, not being
horrible, being lovely.

518
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,800
And then, as weeks went on
watching her teacher and deliver

519
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,800
these lessons to different
varying abilities.

520
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,500
Knowing the children Inside Out
building, the bonds with them,

521
00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,900
seeing how that all built
together to this huge massive,

522
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:40,000
like thing, with all these
moving parts that inspired me,

523
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,800
like as a as a teacher, I Take
that as number one, like above

524
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,600
everything of me just going in
the classroom, watching an

525
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,500
expert learning from an expert
and then practicing at myself.

526
00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:53,400
I put that way above uni and I
think a lot of teachers do the

527
00:23:53,408 --> 00:23:57,400
same thing because at University
whilst it was fantastic.

528
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,400
And I did maths as my specialism
as you know Hayden because I'm a

529
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,400
specialist and you are, I don't
know.

530
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,000
I just have an education.
Carry on.

531
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,600
Okay, cool.
It was it maps to shut up.

532
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,300
Yeah.
Anyway, but the point is, Some

533
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:16,600
fantastic stuff in University
but also I'm not gonna lie.

534
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,500
Sometimes we go to Art
University and we would just do

535
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,100
an art lesson.
Like I'm not joking.

536
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,100
Like we get the lecturer who had
talked for ten minutes about

537
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:26,400
what not lesson might be about.
Cool.

538
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,100
Can you make a tortoise out of
paper mache?

539
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600
And I'm like, well, I gotta, but
is this the best use of my time

540
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,900
right now?
I thought, you know, this still

541
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:37,900
the same you've literally, like,
not ruined but hilarious.

542
00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,300
The kind of told a story that I
was going to tell.

543
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,500
I had it written down.
I'm gonna tell This was a funny

544
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,000
part of my teacher training was
rdt.

545
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,200
I went to my it was like the one
rdt session we got, because the

546
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,500
pgce was so cramped.
Yes, he Stone different subjects

547
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,000
and a lot of it was actual
practice, which is the best

548
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,400
thing.
Like it was, it was put that

549
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,600
way, which is good.
But yeah, like you said this one

550
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600
session, I didn't really feel
like I learn anything about

551
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,600
teaching whatsoever that I just
had to make.

552
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,300
I just basically turn myself
into a massive elephant

553
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,800
somewhere.
I will find this picture for

554
00:25:07,808 --> 00:25:09,000
you.
I also had hair so that would be

555
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000
more fun.
There's a picture of me with

556
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
hair before I Shave.
My head dressed up as an

557
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,700
elephant and that's all I did in
that two hour session on my

558
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,300
team.
My BGC, I didn't, I don't

559
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,800
honestly, I don't think I
learned a thing, but I had fun

560
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,600
making an elephant.
It was really good, fun.

561
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,600
It was really good fun, but
that's not the point.

562
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,900
The point is actually, you know
what, we've only got a year and

563
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,200
I think just in terms of teacher
training, my goodness, get

564
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,400
yourselves watching some amazing
teachers, because still to this

565
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,900
day, I find it the most valuable
thing, as a teacher to go and

566
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:41,600
see someone else doing and be
like, wow.

567
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,100
That was a, that was so good.
And then I get excited.

568
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:46,900
I get excited.
Then to go back to my children

569
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:50,000
and try the same thing.
And I think the number one thing

570
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800
that helped me.
Personally, again in teacher

571
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,100
training, another reflection is
just jumping diving head first

572
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,500
because it's scary at first.
I remember the first time I went

573
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:05,000
into a school before my official
teacher training, when I was

574
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,200
just going in to observe just to
see if I'd like to the school

575
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,200
environment.
If it's what I wanted to do, the

576
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,300
teacher asked me to read a story
to the children.

577
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:18,200
And I said no, I was so scared.
I was so nervous and it's absurd

578
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000
to me at this point to think
that it's nerve-wracking but it

579
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,700
is but all I can say is if
you're going to teach training

580
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,100
or in fact, any kind of job
where you're bit nervous, just

581
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:29,300
dive headfirst give it your best
shot because actually in five

582
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:31,400
years, time, 10 years time, when
you look back, you'll be

583
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,800
laughing at yourself because the
idea of be getting nervous

584
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,600
reading a story to the children.
Now, it's just crazy.

585
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,600
And I'm sure Hayden, if someone
asks you your teacher training

586
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,200
to pretend to blow a blow dryer,
one of the Because I didn't know

587
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,600
what I'm saying.
I mean you'd be so nervous.

588
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,000
Well, I would have been like yes
please.

589
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,900
I would have been really nervous
and I was I just just to jump in

590
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:51,900
on that.
I was also a for a long time.

591
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,000
To be honest.
If you really, really, really

592
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,500
nervous about being in front of
the kids.

593
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:59,700
I even into my actual, like
first job, I still had that

594
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,800
proper nerve of like, oh my God,
like, I'm actually gonna be in

595
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,900
front of this class, I'd say
throughout my in QT.

596
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,400
Yeah, that's the, you know, it
went throughout that year, but

597
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,900
it definitely wasn't instant,
like, it took me a long time and

598
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:14,400
I was totally He faking the
confidence for ages and then it

599
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,100
just you know it did just become
natural like you said with

600
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,200
anything you do in life honestly
just after a bit of time and you

601
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,400
just it just you know it doesn't
become as nerve-racking.

602
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,900
I'm going to jump back to
teacher training again because

603
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,700
one thing I thought about was
you were talking was and you

604
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,800
mentioned mass and obviously
what you know math we're bit

605
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,400
biased towards Mass.
We both like maths is our

606
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,700
subject?
You did a mass specialism and

607
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,300
it's always been a passion of
mine as well and a.

608
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:42,600
But I found that I learned so
much about Teaching and how to

609
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,400
teach through my mass training
and and it was almost kind of

610
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,500
applicable to all the other
subjects as well, but I felt

611
00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:52,800
like Mass was the core of me.
Like I understood so much about

612
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,100
how to present things to
children in a way that they

613
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,800
actually understand it.
How and how different that is to

614
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,700
how you present it to it.
Someone has our age and how you

615
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:03,800
actually have to consider that
in teaching but you can't just

616
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,000
that's why.
I'll, you know, I'm the guy that

617
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,300
analogy about if I think if I
just took a friend in to the

618
00:28:07,308 --> 00:28:10,100
classroom and ask them to teach
the same a subjective, I think

619
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,400
it would just be hilariously bad
quite Naturally because I don't

620
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,700
think the average person has any
understanding or doesn't have

621
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:17,500
much understanding I shouldn't
insult.

622
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:18,600
Everyone.
No, no, but you're right.

623
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,200
Have too much understanding of
the pedagogy behind it and I

624
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,900
learnt so much of that pedagogy.
And I come to so many

625
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:30,000
realizations when I was in those
Mass lectures and learning about

626
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,100
like, no, no, you should present
it like this because then you

627
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,900
can take this child on this
journey.

628
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:35,500
And this is going to make these
Connections in their mind

629
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,100
because they don't have anything
to build on you're creating this

630
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,200
knowledge for them.
Oh man.

631
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,500
I just I yeah, my mind was
always blown in those math

632
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,500
sessions.
I hugely values.

633
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,800
Those ones, but you are right,
there has to be something that

634
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,300
separates us as a professional
to someone who just knows how to

635
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:52,100
add numbers, but there has to be
something there.

636
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,100
Elsewhere, not teachers, we're
just regurgitating.

637
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:55,600
What degree would be, pointless,
otherwise wouldn't it?

638
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:56,900
Yeah, exactly that.
Exactly.

639
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,000
That, you know, I know most of
the degree is just practicing

640
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,400
it, but there has to be some
kind of differentiation.

641
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,500
And that's what we're good at.
And I remember having a

642
00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:07,500
conversation with one of my
friends actually, About this who

643
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,100
kind of scoffed at the idea
wasn't being rude or anything

644
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,500
but that and another one of
their teacher friends had said

645
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:16,700
that they didn't know anything
about.

646
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:18,900
I think it was ancient.
It's something to of ancient

647
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,600
Egypt or something like that
along those lines of history and

648
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000
they kind of scoff did it to me.
I was like, can you can you

649
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,100
believe this teacher?
This teacher said they didn't

650
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:30,100
know about ancient Greek and
they teach it in a year.

651
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:31,100
They didn't know anything about
it.

652
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,100
Like, that's crazy.
And I was just actually like,

653
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:36,400
well, it depends and there.
Like what they didn't know

654
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,800
anything about it and I was and
then their teacher friend had

655
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,700
said to them and Justified it by
saying no I don't but, you know,

656
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,500
my jobs more about learning how
to teach and then I can apply

657
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,500
that to almost anything and I
think that's the core thing to

658
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,300
get out of your teaching year is
actually, you are learning to be

659
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,800
a teacher.
You are not learning things

660
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,500
else.
You just be getting a degree in

661
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,100
history or a degree in math or
something like that.

662
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,100
You have to be learning how to
teach.

663
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,800
And then when you learn how to
teach, I think I have got a lot

664
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,000
better.
Being able to get a point across

665
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,400
simplified and, you know, that
helps when I talk to adults or I

666
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,200
discuss or debate something, you
know, when I get embroiled in a

667
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,900
pilot political debate, I feel
because of my teaching degree in

668
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,100
my profession that I'm able to
get a point across more

669
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,100
succinctly.
Let's say and that helps me to

670
00:30:26,108 --> 00:30:28,900
get my point across and really
dive deep into something.

671
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:32,500
And what I feel like I'm good at
as well as another thing that is

672
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,000
a result of learning how to be a
teacher and being at school.

673
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,500
Is taking what is a 200-page
national curriculum and being

674
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,500
able to kind of summarize what
it means in a professional

675
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:46,000
discussion with our peers.
You know that that's yeah that's

676
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,700
something that, you know, the
skills are really big part of

677
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,600
teacher training, in my opinion.
And I think you've made a really

678
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
good point there.
About subject knowledge being

679
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,300
vital in some degrees but just
to chill out a bit in others

680
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:04,300
because as a teacher, I think I
could teach nearly anything.

681
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,400
To nearly any one given the
amount of time for me to take in

682
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400
information myself.
So, I've actually got up here,

683
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,700
the Teaching Standards.
Now for those that are

684
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:18,400
listening, if this is something
you've planned and because

685
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:24,100
you're looking very, I'm so
angry, like, in a really funny

686
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:25,300
way.
Like when you say what, cause

687
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,300
you look like you've planned.
So, I got this up on a whim.

688
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,900
You look like your plans is it.
I was going to lead into a

689
00:31:30,908 --> 00:31:33,900
discussion here about how we are
judged on the teacher standards,

690
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,500
right?
And I was going Quiz you on how

691
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,000
many of the eight you could
remember.

692
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400
I wish you had now because I've
got the map in front of me, so

693
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,800
I've got, I've got a challenge
if you don't mind then with the

694
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,100
teacher standards, right?
And what we do is, I'm just

695
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:47,300
going to quickly go through them
because we did actually mention

696
00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,300
them in a previous video when we
were talking about like, teacher

697
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,000
pay.
And we were talking about

698
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,800
teacher hours and all that sort
of stuff, right?

699
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,800
So go back and listen to
episode.

700
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,100
If you're interested in how
teacher pay and holiday and all

701
00:31:57,108 --> 00:31:59,600
that stuff works.
And how many hours we really do

702
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,700
do across the year.
And one of the things I

703
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,500
mentioned was his teacher
standards because It's a weird

704
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,600
job where we are only paid for a
certain amount of hours, which

705
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,700
we call our director time.
But actually, there are way more

706
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:14,900
jobs to do that, you can't
physically fit in that director

707
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:16,800
time.
So we have, this is this wider

708
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,300
net, which is called the teacher
standards and we have to meet

709
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:22,800
these teacher standards.
If we don't meet these teacher

710
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,800
standards, then we will be
fired.

711
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,400
I'm just kidding.
But if we have to meet these,

712
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,800
They just added as part of our
role.

713
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:29,900
So the first there's eight of
them.

714
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,800
I'm going to I'm going to read
them out to you very quickly and

715
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
then I'm going to ask you you
Dylan and it will be A hard one

716
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,600
to do.
I want you to pick one.

717
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,000
The one teacher standard that
you think is the most important

718
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,600
or this is already going to be
horrendous lead.

719
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,000
It's obviously to be hard
because they're all really

720
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,900
important as you listen to,
hopefully understand.

721
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,200
These are really important
standards, but I think, and then

722
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,600
reason I've asked you this
sentence because I think there's

723
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,100
one for me that I think is kind
of like Above the Rest.

724
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,500
This up, this will be good
because half our audience, our

725
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:05,300
teachers and I reckon honestly,
before I read them, what I've

726
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:06,900
been able to get all eight of
the top of my head.

727
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,700
Maybe we're enough time.
But I probably would have

728
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,600
forgotten one or two.
Yeah, but also for our

729
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,000
non-teacher listeners this is a
really good Insight actually

730
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000
into almost our, you know, our
kind of role has been condensed

731
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
into this A4 sheet, and these
eight standards.

732
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,300
So it'd be nice to interact.
Listen to the actual.

733
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,300
Okay, if you had to summarize
the job.

734
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
It's these eight things.
So I'm looking forward to this.

735
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,800
I'm going to try and justify it.
Remind me of a dim, go on.

736
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,900
We have to meet these eight
things, and if we can't do it,

737
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,400
do them in our director time,
which we can't, by the way, you

738
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,900
have to do them anyway.
And that's the way, the job

739
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:35,600
works.
So, here we go.

740
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,100
Teacher standard number one set.
high expectations, which Inspire

741
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,900
motivate and challenge pupils
Teachers added number to

742
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,900
promote, good progress and
outcomes by pupils.

743
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,600
Number three is demonstrate,
good subject and curriculum

744
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,800
knowledge.
Number four is plan and teach

745
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,500
well-structured lessons.
Number five adapt teaching to

746
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:04,200
respond to the strengths and
needs of all pupils Number six,

747
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:08,600
make accurate and productive,
use of assessment number 7,

748
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,800
manage Behavior, effectively to
ensure a good safe, learning

749
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,100
environment and number eight,
fulfill wider professional

750
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:16,699
responsibilities.
Good old T8.

751
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,000
They drop that one in there.
Just so you know just scoop up

752
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,500
any other jobs they want you to
do.

753
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:23,100
I can't believe that.
I remember so vividly, by the

754
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:28,199
way that they wanted me to put
in my training year, they asked

755
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,000
me to help out the Disco and
said yeah.

756
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,300
It's because TSA Yeah, anything
Falls in terms of this thing.

757
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,800
Oh, do I have to do?
It's not a direct of time.

758
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,300
Well, she just had the date.
You go fulfill what the

759
00:34:39,308 --> 00:34:41,400
responsibilities.
So it defines wide

760
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,100
responsibilities.
No, so nice, I'm struggling.

761
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,400
I'm struggling because I've said
it a million times.

762
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,199
A number one, most important
thing for me is that the

763
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,600
children in our care are in a
safe learning environment.

764
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,300
So, that's a nice straightaway
Tyree clarify.

765
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,600
My question actually, because I
feel like I set you up to not

766
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,500
succeed, very well there and it
makes it really hard.

767
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,400
I think, what I mean, what I
mean by my question is, I'm kind

768
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
of thinking along the lines.
As of teacher training which is

769
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,900
the most important skill to
develop as a teacher.

770
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Yeah.
From these colonies each, it's

771
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,900
hard.
I'm probably gonna, I'm going to

772
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,000
say one.
Okay.

773
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:16,200
I'm going to take the plunge and
do the opposite of what I always

774
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,600
do, which is chat about all of
them.

775
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,800
And then come to some kind of
clear go for the say, one will

776
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,500
go from their plan and teach
while structured Essence, cool.

777
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,700
Do you reckon that was my one or
not?

778
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,700
Oh, I don't know.
I think it was it wasn't.

779
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:36,600
Oh good.
This is the think there was

780
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,900
another one, when you read them,
I'm country which one it was.

781
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,500
Now where I thought he, I know,
he'd like this one.

782
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,500
I saw your not along it.
I so I know which one you're

783
00:35:44,508 --> 00:35:46,700
thinking is.
I literally saw use of Nod like,

784
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,000
can you read them again?
Can you beat them?

785
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,200
A short break?
So really quickly ready.

786
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,000
I'm going to go through them set
high expectations.

787
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,300
Number one number to promote,
good progress and outcomes by

788
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:55,300
pupils number three,
demonstrated subject, knowledge

789
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:57,600
and Quick Knowledge.
Number four was plan and teach

790
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600
well-structured lessons.
Number five is adapt.

791
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:01,600
To respond to the strengths and
needs of all pupils.

792
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,600
Number six, is make accurate and
productive, use of assessment,

793
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
number 7, manage Behavior,
effectively, and number 84 for

794
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,400
wider, professional response,
number two or number 6, right?

795
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,400
Oh no, it's not what it is.
Well, I feel like, you know, for

796
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,800
me the most important skill that
I feel has made me a good

797
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,200
teacher, is number five adapting
that.

798
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Oh, that's why I missed it.
I thought that was six.

799
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,400
I thought that's the five.
That's number five.

800
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,900
Where?
Oh yeah, that one.

801
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:27,900
That was for me.
Like yeah.

802
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,600
If I look back, I what I think
is the most exciting So part of

803
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:35,500
my teaching career, I think it
is the ability to because of all

804
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,600
the pedagogy that I learned and
also the experience I now have

805
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,700
is the ability to like rapidly
rapidly adapt what I'm doing,

806
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,400
based on how a child responds
verbally or through body

807
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,900
language to what I'm teaching
and adapting it so that they

808
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:52,400
learn better.
Okay.

809
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,400
I guess my only response there
is firstly.

810
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000
They are all really important
skills to learn and Actually

811
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,700
when you're doing your teacher
training, it comes from this

812
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:04,500
sheet.
I remember my observation

813
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,500
sheets, and they would have to
directly linked to one of these

814
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:08,900
standards.
Like, these are the eight things

815
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:13,100
that you're literally judged on,
but I would say, one thing that

816
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:16,700
in terms of, in your teacher
training year, I guess it kind

817
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,700
of overlaps a bit of plan and
deliver while structured

818
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:21,900
lessons, because actually
planning good lessons means

819
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,300
meeting the needs of your
children and you're going to the

820
00:37:24,308 --> 00:37:27,200
next level of course, which is
just on the spot, which I think

821
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,900
is such an important skill.
I Perhaps my response to that

822
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:36,700
would be that that kind of on
the spot changing, what you're

823
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,300
doing having the confidence to
do that and having the knowledge

824
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:42,100
of actually the curriculum and
to say, okay we're going to go

825
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,300
slower because actually this is
a priority and we need to make

826
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:46,100
sure we get this.
So I'm going to respond to your

827
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,100
needs.
I think that's something that

828
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,900
you develop over time.
Whereas I think planning and

829
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,400
delivering well-structured
lessons is something that

830
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,500
through good practice in your
teacher training and a good

831
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,800
Mentor and a good school that
you can pick up within that

832
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,000
year.
So I guess in my teacher

833
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,200
training, I wanted to finish the
and I feel like I did really

834
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,100
confident in someone giving me
an objective and I'll be able to

835
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,500
produce a good lesson for that.
Yeah.

836
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Back in back in teacher training
and maybe even your own key to

837
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:14,900
you.
Thank you.

838
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:18,100
Tia when you have to certainly
no teacher training when you had

839
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:22,500
to provide full written plan to
remember, like you don't

840
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,500
generally, I don't think there
are many schools in the country

841
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,300
where you have to provide or any
schools really where you have to

842
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:29,500
provide a full written plan.
Pearl.

843
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:33,300
Lesson per day, but when you are
training, you do have to do

844
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:35,800
that.
It's an enormous enormous

845
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,500
workload on top of the teaching
because it takes a long time

846
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,700
like how do you feel about that
kind of now on reflection and

847
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,300
also is that any different to
how you felt about it at the

848
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,800
time doing those plot writing
them out?

849
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:55,300
I think truly right now, I would
think that they are vital to do

850
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,700
when you're learning how to plan
a lesson, right?

851
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:02,100
And I think at the time, I'm I
probably was slightly resentful

852
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:07,600
of them, but equally I found
them really useful because it's

853
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,500
not like, you know, I didn't
resent it that much because

854
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,900
number one I was fresh and I was
passionate and number two, it

855
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:15,300
really helped me plan the lesson
out.

856
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,700
You know, now, like this is what
I mean about adapting and stuff.

857
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:20,600
We know the curriculum so well,
we know, teaching, so, well, at

858
00:39:20,607 --> 00:39:23,800
this point that I can open up a
SMART Notebook, which is

859
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,400
basically a PowerPoint for
teachers, and I can create a

860
00:39:26,408 --> 00:39:29,400
lesson literally, from the top
of my head, small.

861
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,500
Excusing resources that we've
bought into as a school as part

862
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:35,700
of our scheme.
Whereas absolutely could never

863
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,200
have got to that point in my
opinion, without being.

864
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,800
So granular with the detail, the
start of every step and why

865
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,800
we're doing it.
And being able to justify that

866
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,700
step and having the piece of
paper there to talk to him, my

867
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:48,000
mentor and say, well I'm doing a
starter and I'm going to do the

868
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,100
starter on this and I've written
down this because actually in

869
00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,900
the lesson we need this skill to
make sure the children can do

870
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,700
that in there in there in there
actual lesson and saying that

871
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:58,700
out loud and writing.
It was a huge workload.

872
00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:00,600
You're absolutely right.
Because it Did add a lot on and

873
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,900
if someone asked me to do it now
I'd be I'd say no because I

874
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:05,700
don't need to it's as simple as
that.

875
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,400
I think as a teacher, a trainee
teacher, sorry when you're doing

876
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,000
a much reduced workload, as in
terms of number of lessons

877
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,300
you're delivering tell me that
that individual highly detailed

878
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:23,300
plan was so important and I
would I would really from a from

879
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,800
a mental point of view.
If I had a student I push them

880
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,300
and push them and push them to
do that and and for their own

881
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,100
good and I'd be saying look this
I promise you.

882
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,900
This is how eventually you're
going to be able to do stuff at

883
00:40:31,908 --> 00:40:34,500
the top of your own head.
Yeah, well, I've got nothing to

884
00:40:34,508 --> 00:40:37,600
add to cuz I honestly I feel
exactly the same I would have

885
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,700
made the exact same point.
So I'm glad we agree on that

886
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,000
one.
I think so as well.

887
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,700
So on to maybe a just a more
lighthearted part of teacher

888
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:47,300
training, I've actually got a
funny story.

889
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,900
I just remembered something
earlier whenever you know, that

890
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,900
I can look back on and laugh and
laugh about an hour and probably

891
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,000
the class teacher I was with, at
the time.

892
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,600
Probably laughed at it as well,
but was really kind and never

893
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,900
made me feel silly.
About it, just let me do my

894
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:02,800
thing.
They actually told the story on

895
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,100
their podcast, have those me on,
I would have told it myself, but

896
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
you might find this quite funny
because it's just, it's just

897
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,300
classic me.
Not being aware of my, but the

898
00:41:13,308 --> 00:41:15,400
situation was just not okay, not
having knowledge on something,

899
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,400
right?
And so, when I was in my first

900
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,600
ever placement, first time I've
been dropped in a school, like

901
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,000
it was terrifying.
But exciting at the same time I

902
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,100
was with the year one, which if,
you know me, I've always thought

903
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:28,900
a key stage 2 in my, in my
career.

904
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,600
So, that's three.
That's quite an odd experience.

905
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,300
For me, even now I'd find it
quite tricky because I'm not

906
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:39,100
used to it, but I was in year
one and something I really

907
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:42,100
wanted to do because part of the
course was, like, think it was

908
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:45,200
telling me to look at like,
Behavior Awards, what Behavior

909
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,800
Awards, and what like positive
reward systems are there in the

910
00:41:47,808 --> 00:41:49,900
school?
And I, rather than, you know,

911
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:52,100
maybe just looking around the
school and finding out what they

912
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:53,700
actually do.
I just invented my own one.

913
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,700
I was like, awesome sauce has
spent a whole evening to

914
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:58,000
inventing.
This thing I was like, oh my

915
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,300
God, this teacher is going to be
so Impressed with what I've

916
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:02,200
done.
I've got this pedagogy backing

917
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,200
me up and because who knows
better than a student on their

918
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
first place.
Yeah, yeah, I thought they're

919
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,300
going to be really impressed
with this.

920
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,800
I invented something called
horse points.

921
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,900
Not even joking, not even
joking.

922
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,400
I didn't even roll, wasn't even
really aware of the connection

923
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,100
to house points which is like
the really common thing that

924
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:24,300
schools use.
I invented something called.

925
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,900
I will find a picture of this
for you didn't buy in because

926
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,900
I've got some somewhere, I
invented horse points, I spent

927
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,200
five hours, one evening, cutting
out.

928
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,500
These little horses with like
people riding them junkies in

929
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,100
card, and I laminated them.
Cut them out.

930
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:45,300
And I made one for each table
and then I met And laminated

931
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:50,600
this really janky big looking
table in which all of the horses

932
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,800
started on one side and they all
had a name for each of the

933
00:42:54,808 --> 00:42:57,300
tables.
And every time, you know, some

934
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,500
of this I go, they might have
earned a horse point for that

935
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:01,600
table and that horse.
Got to move one more along the

936
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,200
track again, wasn't it
afterwards?

937
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,400
I realize this looked exactly
what like, a gambling.

938
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,900
Like, you know, like horses
moving along like in a race like

939
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:11,400
the horse racing like gambling
thing.

940
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,400
I just created this little down
bullying looking thing.

941
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,500
NG horse points for kids.
I was so proud of myself at the

942
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,000
time and I never really
understood.

943
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,900
Why the teacher wasn't that
Blown Away by it?

944
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,900
Because I thought it was about,
it wasn't always like, this is

945
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:26,500
immense.
I spent hours on this is epic.

946
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,300
You stood there that classic
they go, you know, when

947
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,100
someone's in a room watching
you, it's not evasion or

948
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:33,500
something and you think you're
doing something well, and you

949
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:35,500
end up looking at the person in
the room more than the kids.

950
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,400
All right?
He's staring at the guy.

951
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:40,700
I've got a horse.
All right.

952
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:47,200
Look, Just imagine this point
and it took the class who

953
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,800
already used to house points,
you know, the widely accepted

954
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,700
thing across the school,
probably like, uh, like talking

955
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:56,100
to the actual teacher Miss and
I'm imagine me in the corner,

956
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:59,100
just watching this lesson.
Miss, do I get, do I get a house

957
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:00,800
point for what?
For this one and she has to walk

958
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,200
people, that know, but you you
get your horse Point.

959
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,900
Go, hey, go.
And put your horse point out.

960
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:08,200
Make sure you nail on the way
out.

961
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Mr. Stevens has come up with.
That rule wasn't me for some

962
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,400
reason done' on the way up to
put your point up.

963
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,400
I said Gallop Gallop, don't walk
get up to the ball.

964
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,300
I might I might bring it back,
you know, horse whinnies, don't

965
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,000
find it.
It's just that one crafty kid,

966
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,300
just like in it break times
taking bets.

967
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,600
Yeah, give you a hug.
Give you okay.

968
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Five mil cards of blue.
Yeah.

969
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:37,000
Also, I made it like 10 points.
It's like 10 points for a whole

970
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,300
table.
They got it in like a day.

971
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,900
So stupid what was what was it
was?

972
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:43,700
Just, I don't, I can't remember.
I live in the last one.

973
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,400
I'll bring it.
It doesn't string to this bow.

974
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:48,400
I just felt a good for making
this thing.

975
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,400
I don't think I don't think I'd
obviously hadn't thought I tell

976
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,500
you what, though Jokes Aside.
Right.

977
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,400
It is absolutely lovely.
When you get a student in who's,

978
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,500
like, really proactive like
that.

979
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:58,800
That's a net.
Good thing.

980
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,500
I know it's funny, Ha-Ha, but
getting those people in who are

981
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,900
so genuinely interested.
And I don't know about you, I

982
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:14,800
remember training me to Iowa.
That's it in my point, you

983
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:20,000
remember Trey?
I remember training as well, but

984
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:25,000
at the point, I was sad, you
know, in your student teacher

985
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,100
and you kind of sometimes feel a
little bit awkward wherever you

986
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,900
are because you're just about
place, right?

987
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:31,300
Yeah.
And at the best of times, even

988
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:34,800
when I work in a school, I just,
I'm just awkward.

989
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,900
Yeah, I brought a joke.
I'm the awkward guy.

990
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:40,100
And I just, you know, in the
first school I worked at you

991
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,000
worked out with me.
I should Sit in the corner and

992
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,300
it wasn't because didn't like
anyone.

993
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,000
It's because I just wanted to
sit like away from people.

994
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,500
I just anyway, what a lovely
depressing picture to paint now?

995
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:53,000
Yeah, you sound like, come on,
no one likes you.

996
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,800
That's why no.
What I mean is I just, I'm

997
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,400
slightly awkward as you can
tell.

998
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:01,200
But the but the the main point
I'm making your favorite

999
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,400
awkward.
Sometimes I remember being sat

1000
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,700
in the back of the room and my
student teach about the, the

1001
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,700
teacher who I was with, who I
was training with worse at her

1002
00:46:09,707 --> 00:46:12,700
computer and they Had meetings,
right?

1003
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,100
They'd had meetings going on and
I think at the time as well,

1004
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,400
something to do with pensions
was changing or something to do

1005
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,100
with pay something classic
teacher mode when you want to

1006
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:25,900
have a bit of a teacher moan and
ice at the back with my folder

1007
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,100
out, you know, probably
pretending to do some work.

1008
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:31,100
So don't feel awkward shade in
the corner here.

1009
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:33,000
And oh yeah, I'm just reading
the teacher standards for the

1010
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,300
15th time in a row because I'm
just waiting for break time to

1011
00:46:35,308 --> 00:46:36,700
finish.
And I walk we don't know what to

1012
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,700
do, but they come in what one
teacher kind of just burst in.

1013
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,600
Obviously in see me at the back
and goes to my teacher and it's

1014
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,400
just like, honestly spends five
minutes ranting about how

1015
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,000
teaching is the worst job in the
world.

1016
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:52,300
I wish they never got into this
job.

1017
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:54,600
I can't believe it, you know,
every single year just this is

1018
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,900
being cut.
That's been cut.

1019
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,700
Funny how nothing changes in
eight years, isn't it?

1020
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:59,800
But anyway, I had this whole
conversation and I remember her

1021
00:46:59,808 --> 00:47:02,400
face when she turned and saw me
the student teacher at the back,

1022
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,200
who's just paying, you know, 10
grand to go to university and

1023
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,800
that's a teacher and I'm just
like, yeah.

1024
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,600
She's like, oh God, I'm so
sorry.

1025
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,200
It's usually about again.
Why should it should have known

1026
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,900
about the ancient me?
Yeah yeah but no weed but I

1027
00:47:14,908 --> 00:47:18,300
thought you said we didn't
listen to the experience I

1028
00:47:18,308 --> 00:47:20,300
should have walked out that door
now what?

1029
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:24,600
Like I'm being dramatic and but
it's just funny it's just funny

1030
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,000
how things are cyclic cyclic
cyclic, ER cyclical sicker?

1031
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:34,100
No no son Deft sick liquor, does
it mean like kind of really

1032
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:35,700
skinny?
I think so.

1033
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:37,400
Yeah.
By the way guys, you can't see

1034
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,900
this but Dylan and I are really
happy because we're sat here

1035
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:41,700
wearing are under 40.
T-shirts.

1036
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,600
Again, if you're listening to
this in the future you can buy

1037
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,900
it from merch store with listen
to this now doesn't exist,

1038
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,500
probably really?
We just want to keep your

1039
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:51,400
calendar.
Look at your calendar if it ends

1040
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,900
in 27, there's much though.
Yeah.

1041
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,600
If it doesn't then crack on.
So we 31 this up here.

1042
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Yeah, go on, then.
No, I let's say that this play

1043
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,700
little jingle, shall we?
All right, I'll do it myself

1044
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:05,100
five.
If you asking, boom.

1045
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:08,700
Boom.
After training, obviously one of

1046
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:12,500
the most important things is to
find an actual job was kind of

1047
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:14,600
kind of worth nothing.
Really you gotta find shelter.

1048
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:17,100
I just thought we'd get in huge
amounts of debt and not do the

1049
00:48:17,107 --> 00:48:19,200
job.
Yeah, just do a podcast instead.

1050
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,200
Guess we Fair cost money or that
customer interaction on the

1051
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,700
merch store looking at cast
because we want to make that

1052
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:29,700
podcast money.
If we ask them, share it with

1053
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:32,200
us.
They know if we ask we probably

1054
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,300
shouldn't ask them to share the
podcast.

1055
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:35,400
That we come across needed, so
much so much 1982.

1056
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,200
The please share it.
Please.

1057
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,600
No we won't we won't say that
Dylan, that's an example, but we

1058
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,700
won't say because it's needy.
So we're going to tell them to,

1059
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,700
please share it with your
friends so they stay, they

1060
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:49,600
listen and write stuff in any
way jobs.

1061
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,000
So, I had a bit of a rough
experience.

1062
00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:55,500
I'll be honest with you, you
know, walking in with my

1063
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:58,500
portfolio of horse points.
Another thing is that invented I

1064
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,200
thought I'd walk into a job
easily.

1065
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,200
Excuse me, horse points and I've
talked myself into an elephant.

1066
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,300
Give me a job, please?
Yeah, hello.

1067
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200
So I I did, I actually fell into
quite a classic trap.

1068
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,500
I know other teachers have
talked about this and it's just

1069
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:13,800
a trap I fell into and I did not
listen.

1070
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,100
So at the placement school that
I was working in, which I had

1071
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:19,300
developed a really nice
relationship with, it was also

1072
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,500
the school I went to as a child.
So I had this lovely

1073
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,900
relationship long-standing
relationship this with this

1074
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:27,300
school.
I had just convinced myself that

1075
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:30,000
I was going to get a job there.
There was a job going.

1076
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,100
My placement was going fine, you
know, I was receiving good

1077
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,600
grades.
I was like cool.

1078
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,500
That's my job then.
That interview came up.

1079
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:41,200
Obviously other people went for
the job as well, outside of the

1080
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,200
school and and I just didn't get
it.

1081
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,200
I didn't get the job, I didn't.
And looking back, I did not put

1082
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,900
enough effort in.
I gave that into 90%, I think I

1083
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,000
gave a lot to the the teaching
part because you have put a lot

1084
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,300
of time into that element, but
the interview I completely

1085
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,100
stuffed it up.
I did not practice.

1086
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,500
I did not, you know, look into
what kind of questions I might

1087
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,100
be asked.
And I remember feeling

1088
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:05,500
embarrassed because I just
didn't know the answers to these

1089
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:07,700
questions.
Do you have more of the But left

1090
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,400
after the interview that you had
to get a.

1091
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Yeah, I did say even more
Awkward because I had to, then

1092
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,300
go back in the next day that
literal next day.

1093
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,100
Knowing, I didn't get the job
and carry on doing my placement

1094
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,300
working, there for free.
What I was paying to work there

1095
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,800
to learn so that was really
awkward but you get over it.

1096
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,700
If it happens to you, if you're
listening to this and this

1097
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:27,900
science come out, do you know
what is I look back at it?

1098
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:30,200
It's nothing to me now at the
time it was horribly

1099
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,500
embarrassing but this is I
didn't care.

1100
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,500
Hey, did we can't all get a job
at the school that we worked out

1101
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:36,800
with my trainer.
Okay, we can.

1102
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,800
All right.
The first time, it's the first

1103
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,100
time.
Well you'll be pleased to know

1104
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:41,800
that I do.
I also found my second interview

1105
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,300
as well, so you know, cutting
weight and I think, you know,

1106
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,400
just to is where I attended by 3
because I got my third, one

1107
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,500
sure, he needed the Jolly of,
it's okay.

1108
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:51,100
I need it.
I need it.

1109
00:50:51,107 --> 00:50:54,500
I need a job.
So I just make it worse right?

1110
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:56,900
In the pgce.
We had to do an alternative

1111
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:58,700
placement.
So although we did most of our

1112
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:01,200
placements at one school, we did
have to go and spend two weeks.

1113
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:03,700
Another school just to get a bit
of experience somewhere else.

1114
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,600
So Lo behold guess where I
interview guess where I applied

1115
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,500
for my Job.
No, your contrast.

1116
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,300
It was, it wasn't.
It was the contrasting

1117
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:14,200
placement, the alternative one.
I was like, yeah, I was actually

1118
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,500
there at the time of that one,
as well.

1119
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:17,900
Funny enough, I would just be in
there.

1120
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:19,800
Anyway, recently, I think I was,
like, a couple of weeks out of

1121
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,100
that placement.
So, as far as a fresh face, went

1122
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,300
to that one.
And this is how I completely

1123
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:28,000
mucked up this one.
I'm prepared for my interview

1124
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,700
this time.
I like to talk, honestly, the

1125
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:35,200
worst lesson I've ever taught my
career in this in this

1126
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,300
interview.
It happens, guys, I just The

1127
00:51:37,308 --> 00:51:39,900
state did not reflect my
teaching ability but I just

1128
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:44,200
taught the worst lesson ever.
And it was because I was being

1129
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,700
far too adventurous.
I recently discovered Singapore,

1130
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,400
Mass, which was like the
buzzword at the time and I was

1131
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,100
like, oh bar modeling which
again, was really kind of A New

1132
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:54,700
Concept to a lot of us at the
time.

1133
00:51:54,700 --> 00:51:56,800
I'm sure other people had
experience with it, but it was

1134
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,000
brand new for us and it was
like, oh this is cool.

1135
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,700
I'm going to, I'm going to wow
these with this school with this

1136
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:04,300
brand new pedagogy.
I didn't really know what I was

1137
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,100
doing because by modeling is one
of those.

1138
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,300
Things where you don't just, you
don't just go in and teach a 20

1139
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:11,900
minute lesson.
Expect children to know how to

1140
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,200
do it.
It takes a long time to build up

1141
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,500
that skill set with children.
I would in there, the kids had

1142
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,300
not a foggy assist of what on
Earth I was talking about they

1143
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:23,700
you know who else doesn't think
anyone who's not a teacher this

1144
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:25,100
thing.
So it has to look up.

1145
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,100
Look up with my modeling, is,
doesn't matter.

1146
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,600
Yeah, don't do that, anyway.
It just just know this.

1147
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:30,900
I went in there.
I taught something that I

1148
00:52:30,908 --> 00:52:33,400
absolutely shouldn't have talked
to has been waited Venture as it

1149
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,400
was terrible lesson and I didn't
get the job there, either I was

1150
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,600
feeling a bit.
After that, I didn't give up the

1151
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,900
moral of the story is don't give
up the moral of the story here

1152
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:45,600
is if you're Hayden and you want
a job, go to Sonny's, never seen

1153
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,000
you actually teach four weeks
and then don't do it.

1154
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,100
The placement schools do it
somewhere else.

1155
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,200
I'll tell you what though from
my point of view having got a

1156
00:52:54,200 --> 00:53:00,600
job at a placement school really
like I'm kind of just having you

1157
00:53:00,607 --> 00:53:04,000
struggled.
Massively helped me possibly

1158
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,000
happen.
Oh yeah.

1159
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:11,000
Conference did it?
No, no, not even not necessarily

1160
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,200
the confidence but I didn't make
you feel like a failure.

1161
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,700
Yeah, it didn't make me feel
like an abject failure.

1162
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,400
Know what?
Massively helped me was

1163
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:20,700
everything.
I kind of learn by osmosis and

1164
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,600
the way they do stuff, I didn't
have to go into another school,

1165
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,400
not only having the pressure of
being a brand new teacher in a

1166
00:53:25,408 --> 00:53:27,600
school, not only having the
pressure of being a brand, newly

1167
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,900
qualified teacher just in my the
start of my career but then I

1168
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,500
didn't have to learn from
scratch the way the school does

1169
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:36,900
stuff but that was that was
hugely beneficial and the other

1170
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:37,700
thing.
Is heightened.

1171
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,900
If you hadn't felt those two
interviews, we might not be sad

1172
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:43,900
here today, doing a hard class
isn't that love?

1173
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:48,100
Do you feel like, just kind of
ignoring that, do you feel like

1174
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:53,500
it's a net like game like
positive or negative to get a

1175
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:55,300
job in the only School?
You trained in?

1176
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,700
Firstly, it's never the only
school because as you just said

1177
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,000
you do have a contrasting
placement.

1178
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,800
So you you have always been in
at least two schools in your

1179
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,100
training, you.
I understand what you mean,

1180
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,800
because for 80%, at least of
that time, Or in one school.

1181
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,500
So you mean like in the school?
You spent most of your time in,

1182
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:11,400
right?
Yeah.

1183
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,000
I'm just saying you think it's
like overall a good thing or bad

1184
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,700
thing to?
I think job because it's a

1185
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:17,800
purple.
What I'm saying is people might

1186
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,900
argue that going to a completely
fresh.

1187
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:22,500
School is a subjective, a good
thing because then you get to

1188
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,800
learn more stuff that a new
stuff there, and reflect on your

1189
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,400
experience from the other school
trained in.

1190
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,300
I think it would be really
stupid to give a blanket answer

1191
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:32,400
to that, which is such a
cop-out, but it's true.

1192
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:33,900
If you had a really good
experience.

1193
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,800
Like I loved my trading year.
I absolutely loved it because

1194
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,500
I'm Punch myself into it.
I felt like I made good

1195
00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:43,900
relationships with, you know,
you but like a lot of people, a

1196
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:47,300
lot of people in that school, I
felt comfortable there from my

1197
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:50,000
point of view of like, you know,
the idea of starting a new

1198
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,300
school is quite daunting, in
terms of just having to rebuild

1199
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,200
like those connections with
brand-new people's stuff at the

1200
00:54:55,207 --> 00:54:57,200
start of my career.
I've been more confident doing

1201
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,400
now.
I'm sure but like for me

1202
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:05,200
absolutely was the right thing
to do and also the thing is, you

1203
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,300
know, having the confidence to
make that Jump is a big thing.

1204
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,400
And what I mean is by making the
jump making the jump from your

1205
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,000
training Year to nqt in another
school, that's actually an

1206
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,900
easier jump.
I think what you did starting as

1207
00:55:18,900 --> 00:55:22,600
an ink UT or a newly qualified
teacher ECT, whether it's called

1208
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,400
now in a brand new school after
training is easier in my

1209
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,100
opinion, what's the hardest
thing to do is to do your nqt

1210
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,600
year, do your ECT year, and then
have the guts to move.

1211
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Once you've really plowed in and
you've become like a property.

1212
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,100
John moving school.
After two to three years.

1213
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,000
That is a that is a big plunge
because you're just starting

1214
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,300
out, you're still learning,
you're inexperienced.

1215
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,000
That's just the fact and it can
be quite daunting.

1216
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,900
I've had a lot of people say to
me, I'd like to move.

1217
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,800
I'd like to try something else,
but I'm going to stay in my

1218
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,400
comfort zone and it takes them.
A lot of time to build up the

1219
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,000
confidence to make that jump.
So, I would say if you're having

1220
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,900
a really positive experience in
your school that you're training

1221
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:06,700
in, go for it states.
That let's go.

1222
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:08,400
There's a job.
And if they give you a job,

1223
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:14,500
brilliant, if you are having a
less good for want of a better

1224
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,800
word experience, some people
call that - that's the word I'm

1225
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,100
deaf.
If you have an under the

1226
00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:23,200
experience at your school, you
need to, in my opinion, look

1227
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,500
house where you know, Branch out
because then you can have raised

1228
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:30,100
that, you know, be brave early
getting somewhere else, learn it

1229
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,600
while she still inexperienced
because you can get stuck in

1230
00:56:32,607 --> 00:56:35,800
schools that is just the truth.
Yeah, I think it was a blessing

1231
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,900
in disguise that I Get the job
in the placements called the

1232
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,300
first one I really wanted to is
that is that to thing that's

1233
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,900
like a personal thing or do you
think that extrapolates to do

1234
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:45,600
you disagree with me?
That's a good.

1235
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,300
Now, I don't know, I think
you're probably right in terms

1236
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,300
of there isn't really a blanket
answer for me personally, it

1237
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,300
definitely was a good thing
because I think there was

1238
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:53,700
already a hint of complacency in
me as you can tell from the

1239
00:56:53,707 --> 00:56:56,600
interview process already.
I was starting to be a bit like

1240
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,100
I you know I've got this job in
the bag like know.

1241
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:03,500
It really be woke me up.
It may be like I gave 110% that

1242
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:05,300
third interview.
I did when I learned from my

1243
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:09,200
first to the mistakes I made.
I I gave everything to that to

1244
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,100
that interview and that teaching
process, like, I gave so much.

1245
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,000
And then I, and I really valued
the fact I got that job, I don't

1246
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,300
know, maybe it, maybe it
wouldn't be that different, but

1247
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,700
I am glad that I didn't get a
job there in the end and it and

1248
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:22,200
I went somewhere else.
And I was able to draw on that

1249
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,200
experience, which was really
different, by the way, to the

1250
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,200
actual teaching experience.
I then kind of gained at this,

1251
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,200
you know, the school, that we
both worked at where I work,

1252
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,600
where I learned so much stuff
about teaching, so much stuff

1253
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,500
about teaching.
Like, I had a brilliant verse

1254
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,200
first.
Yeah, I think maybe that the

1255
00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:42,000
kind of what will be a nice way
to round this off.

1256
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,300
Almost talk to you about talking
about teacher training.

1257
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,400
Maybe we could have a very, very
quick just back and forth about

1258
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,400
how actually I probably learned
most of what I learned in my

1259
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,400
first two years of being, an
actual teacher.

1260
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:57,700
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I learnt 80%, I'd say faster for

1261
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:01,600
a random number on it. 80% of
the, of the, my understanding of

1262
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,000
how to teach.
Well, came from my ink you to

1263
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,800
you, for sure.
So, you know, One finishing

1264
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,600
their training here and
thinking, oh, am I ready?

1265
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,200
Honestly, probably not.
But no one is no.

1266
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,100
One is, no one's ready.
Pasta salad, right?

1267
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:19,700
I had that 100% hundreds of fake
it till you make, it became the

1268
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:21,100
justification for a lot of
stuff.

1269
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,300
I remember very quickly on this
point of building up confidence,

1270
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:27,400
right?
And you know I finally you get

1271
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,000
to the point where I'm from your
class, you're fine because

1272
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,100
they're your children that your
first, you always remember your

1273
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:33,900
first class, always will
remember those children because

1274
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,600
you make such a bond with them
and it's such a emotional time

1275
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,200
for you.
You're given in so much of your

1276
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,300
life in yourself.
You'll never forget your first

1277
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:44,700
class but I remember the first
time this is so ridiculous.

1278
00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:46,300
These specific and I do love you
Baby.

1279
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:48,200
Have a similar memory and maybe
other teachers this thing.

1280
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:54,100
I remember the first time, I
felt confident enough to shout

1281
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:58,400
like as in raise my voice over
the entire School in assembly.

1282
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,600
I remember it because I did it
and then I walked off and I was

1283
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,000
like I was almost shaking.
I was like shaking a bit like

1284
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,700
with adrenaline because
basically Lee they were very

1285
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,100
loud coming out of assembly.
I think it was you and I maybe

1286
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,700
we'd be what we've been.
We've been doing something you

1287
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,400
were there, I think.
But they're basically.

1288
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,800
We were that, was it?
We were giving out certificates,

1289
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,100
just simple stood there, given a
certificate just like, oh, and

1290
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,000
this person's one this well
done.

1291
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:25,200
And they finished.
And they stood up and it was

1292
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,300
just really, really loud and
like the head walked out or

1293
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:28,800
something.
I don't remember but there was

1294
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,900
no like, you know, clear SLT
leading and I would have been

1295
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:36,200
really rude and really loud and
I Rose I spoke up really that

1296
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:38,300
raise my voice.
Cut across, and they all went

1297
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,400
quiet.
And I remember, I'll always

1298
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,500
remember kind of look to the
side at one of the teachers, one

1299
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:45,400
of the teachers, much more
experience kind of just, like,

1300
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:48,000
kind of smirked and give me the
nod, like nice.

1301
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:50,300
Like, yeah, the good world.
I didn't expect that from you.

1302
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,400
Yeah, too bad.
You were crying at the time,

1303
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,500
right?
Dylan.

1304
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,900
Before we finish up this
podcast, I have prepared

1305
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:03,300
something, you have no idea what
this is, but I found a post.

1306
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,100
You know what I do?
I scroll through forums and all

1307
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,900
sorts of things all the time.
Looking for interesting.

1308
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,300
Stuff.
This was a nun Anonymous post

1309
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:11,500
and I've any I thought so
interesting.

1310
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,800
I have to I have to just read
this to you on the podcast and

1311
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,700
get your thoughts on it because
it really subverts some of the

1312
01:00:16,707 --> 01:00:18,200
kind of things we've had on here
before.

1313
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200
So you're going to ask me a
question or am I just going to

1314
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,600
reply to this cold?
Well my question I'd no, not

1315
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,200
really, not really a question.
It's just, I'm going to get your

1316
01:00:24,207 --> 01:00:26,000
reaction.
I'm going to read you this some

1317
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,500
of this panel to summarize it.
Okay.

1318
01:00:27,900 --> 01:00:32,200
And see what you think.
Cool it says, help.

1319
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:36,200
I left teaching and I think I
regret it.

1320
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,900
I left my last school in a way,
not too dissimilar from many of

1321
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:44,100
the stories that we hear lots of
shenanigans followed by an exit

1322
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:45,700
agreement, just really bad
terms.

1323
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:49,400
You know, things have gone wrong
support, plan, all that rubbish.

1324
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,300
And now work for a charity it's
only been a few weeks but I'm

1325
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:56,200
just not enjoying it.
I'm working from home, I'm flexi

1326
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,200
time.
I've got like an amazing role.

1327
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:01,700
Amazing job, the pay is good.
You know, things that people

1328
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:05,100
dream for working from home,
flexible time, however,

1329
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,100
everything and everyone operates
At snail's pace, there was no

1330
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:11,600
hand over for my predecessor.
There's lots of chatting about

1331
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,400
abstract ideas and very much,
very little doing.

1332
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,300
The things are getting stuff,
done, everything seems really

1333
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:20,800
disorder than slow pace.
And some days I just find myself

1334
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,900
Source at the laptop kind of
bored.

1335
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:25,600
Like, there's not much
happening, it's all very slow,

1336
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:29,100
and this person then just goes
on to just give a little bit

1337
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:32,400
more detail about how they then.
They're then Reminiscing on the

1338
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,700
things they actually miss about
teaching, which they didn't

1339
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:36,400
consider when they were leaving
teaching.

1340
01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:39,700
They were just thinking of the
negative stuff and they said,

1341
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,600
I'm kind of missing the drama.
I miss the chaos, I miss how

1342
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,800
speedy everything was at school.
I missed the structure and the

1343
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,400
clear objectives where you can
actually see children learn

1344
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,200
things.
You can see that progress, I

1345
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,100
missed the fact that something
no matter how big or small would

1346
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:56,200
make me laugh every single day,
and that's true.

1347
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,100
We've said this before, I miss
the in the trenches karate with

1348
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:03,800
some of my amazing colleagues.
And I'm a bit better, that I

1349
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,200
worked really hard towards
building.

1350
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,900
There's respected career, and
then kind of packed it all in

1351
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,500
because of the sort of negative
experience I had at school and

1352
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,700
they were left it with.
I'm almost tempted to go back

1353
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:17,800
into teaching, I'm not sure to
to initial thoughts.

1354
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:24,200
Firstly, I am kind of sad kind
of always worried about this

1355
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,400
sometimes when we talked on this
because we get carried away in

1356
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,200
the podcast, don't we, you know,
classic like get into the rabbit

1357
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,100
hole.
I'm kind of sad that you store.

1358
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,000
Thought, which is true.
That that was like, almost the

1359
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,500
antithesis of the kind of things
we saying this podcast.

1360
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,400
That that first, my first
thought is our, that is sad

1361
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,700
because I completely agree with
that.

1362
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,000
And what I'm going to say here
again.

1363
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,000
You know people can write in and
tell us if we're being

1364
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,800
hypocritical or anything here,
but I don't think we are because

1365
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,300
you're allowed to moan about
something which you love you're

1366
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,900
allowed to complain.
And if anything even applying

1367
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:04,000
for example, yeah, and I
absolutely I can't even just say

1368
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,800
that love just, it would just
meet can't say that's it.

1369
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,700
But I think for me, personally,
I get more riled up, more

1370
01:03:12,700 --> 01:03:16,200
annoyed, more in search of
answers, or wanting to fix

1371
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,200
something, the more I care about
it.

1372
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,100
So when I, when I'm getting in a
rut and I'm getting annoyed and

1373
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:23,600
I'm getting frustrated and I why
is this happening with teaching?

1374
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:25,600
Why can't they give us a decent
pay offer?

1375
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,800
Why can't they fund the school's
correctly?

1376
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,900
Why can't these children get the
absolute best that they possibly

1377
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:32,000
can.
Why are we not?

1378
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,800
Prioritizing the Next
Generation.

1379
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:37,300
Why can't we give children free
food because their children and

1380
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:39,600
you know, nourishing them is an
important step to their

1381
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,300
development.
Why can't we invest in

1382
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:44,900
education?
Why can't we become more

1383
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,000
actually as a culture respectful
and endearing towards this

1384
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,800
profession?
Why can't we just value these

1385
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,100
professionals still going as
they are why I hate it.

1386
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:57,500
You know?
I'll do it right now because I

1387
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,000
love it and I am a teacher.
I will never not be a teacher.

1388
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:03,600
I will never not be.
You'll never not be a teacher

1389
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,800
because it's kind of a way of
you doing stuff.

1390
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:13,400
I love teaching children and
seeing progress and helping

1391
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,700
other people, right?
I cannot imagine for a second

1392
01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:20,400
because guess what, I would have
done it already, I would have

1393
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,700
done it over.
I would have quit teaching by

1394
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:25,400
now, I would have done it and
you no matter how much you gain

1395
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,300
ground down.
And the sad thing is, I can see

1396
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,600
myself going past that line in
the future.

1397
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,600
If things don't change, okay, I
can see that be Be perfectly

1398
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,600
honest.
But can you Hayden?

1399
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,000
Imagine sitting 925 in an office
job.

1400
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,100
Not put anything against that,
if that's what you do for your

1401
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:42,800
job.
You crack on, good on you.

1402
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:47,000
But, but as a teacher, can you
imagine transitioning to that?

1403
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,900
Not?
Not easily.

1404
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,900
Because it is so different.
And I think that's what that

1405
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:55,400
person has come to the
realization of, I think they've

1406
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,000
realized that even though it
within the chaos You know, there

1407
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
were actually really great parts
of the job and sometimes a lack

1408
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,300
of chaos is boring and I think
some people do naturally find

1409
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:11,300
that I speak to so many people
including teachers, who say to

1410
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:15,800
me, I would honestly love to
retire and just go and work in a

1411
01:05:15,808 --> 01:05:17,900
shop.
And I like that.

1412
01:05:17,900 --> 01:05:19,900
So I'm happy with that.
They're like that is a dream to

1413
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:21,800
me and I'm like cool.
Fair play to you.

1414
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
I can't think of anything worse.
Having worked in a shop.

1415
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,700
Now, I don't want to do that
anymore.

1416
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:27,800
I found something else.
I like doing which is teaching

1417
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,000
and it is chaotic.
I know I'm used to it, so I

1418
01:05:30,008 --> 01:05:32,400
couldn't go back.
I this is this is what I do now

1419
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,600
is just this chaos of teaching.
So yeah, I think I'd find it

1420
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,600
really hard and I can I related
to that post even though I

1421
01:05:39,607 --> 01:05:43,000
haven't quit teaching and, like,
being in that same situation.

1422
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,400
I felt like I could understand
it, I can put myself in the

1423
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,800
shoes of You know what, like you
I do get really frustrated this

1424
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,400
job and I have become really
frustrated this year of all

1425
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,400
specially with all the politics
going around around this job,

1426
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:56,600
and it has made me think about
those sorts of things.

1427
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,800
I maybe a maybe, I will go past
that line and tip over and maybe

1428
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,000
I will be the one of those
people that quits and in that

1429
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,800
huge statistic of people that
quit.

1430
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,000
But I think I probably be a more
like this person.

1431
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,300
I reckon, I'd regret it.
I really do.

1432
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:11,500
I think I'd get bored.
We spoke about it before,

1433
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:12,900
haven't we?
In?

1434
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:15,400
Obviously, I know, we will see
work full-time for many years.

1435
01:06:15,700 --> 01:06:18,900
We went part-time, That seems
like a nice kind of Middle

1436
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:23,500
Ground of, I can't imagine I
can't just I just can't imagine.

1437
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:25,300
Never having my foot in the
classroom.

1438
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:29,500
And I think that's why I really
am passionate about fighting in

1439
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:32,800
this political sense of these
strikes these funding, because

1440
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,800
I'm trying to fight to keep my
passion and my love as something

1441
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,000
that's worth my while doing and
and is good enough to stay in.

1442
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,600
As a profession, I want to
finish up this little

1443
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,200
discussion.
Now by talking directly to one

1444
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,700
of our - Richie sooner, who we
know is one of our listeners,

1445
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,200
right?
So on behalf of the government,

1446
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,400
I'm talking to the government
now.

1447
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:54,900
Wait, wait.
On behalf of the government, not

1448
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:56,000
on behalf the world.
No, no, sorry.

1449
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,700
He's on behalf of the
government.

1450
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:00,400
Okay, I'm I'm talking to Richie
senac.

1451
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:05,000
So, this is a statistic that
came out of a very, very recent

1452
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,000
study on teachers.
And I think it is deeply related

1453
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,200
to the story.
We just read and the discussion.

1454
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:16,100
We just had About teaching.
Here's the stat, a quarter

1455
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,300
twenty five percent of teachers
and leaders reported, that they

1456
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:24,300
were considering leaving the
profession within the next 12

1457
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:29,100
months.
That's not surprising.

1458
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,200
That's, you know, that's my
first of all, not surprising,

1459
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:37,200
but sad, sad, because a lot of
those people won't want to leave

1460
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,300
the profession.
There is a difference.

1461
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,600
Isn't there between saying I'm
considering leaving this

1462
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,200
profession and saying, Want to
leave this profession and it is

1463
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,400
a lot of people in the camp of
considering who don't want to.

1464
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,300
That's why I've got such a big
turnout for strikes.

1465
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:54,200
That's why we got such a big
feeling behind this because

1466
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,700
we're trying to save this
profession that we love.

1467
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,700
No one wants to get out of it,
we would rather it be fixed.

1468
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,100
I did actually find out in the
studying.

1469
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,600
I've got it right here.
Like why what that what the core

1470
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,400
reasons were?
They got the top reasons.

1471
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,000
I've not seen this.
Trying yes them.

1472
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,500
I bet I could tell you, I bet I
could say that one workload.

1473
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:13,000
One.
Okay, as a three three separate,

1474
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,800
there's three, three, three
things yet workload, workload

1475
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:23,000
one it's off to do workload.
Really God while they up to.

1476
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,500
So what code is number one
ninety two percent of the people

1477
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,899
that said that the said they
were considering leaving what

1478
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:31,500
and they stated the reason is
because of increasing workload

1479
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:35,300
76%.
The people said because of

1480
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:37,100
government initiatives or policy
changes.

1481
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:41,500
Mmm, and the third most popular.
One 69%.

1482
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:45,899
Said, pressures relating to
pupil outcomes or inspection or

1483
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:47,200
hostile.
Basically should have got that

1484
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,600
one.
It's so true.

1485
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,700
How much how much of the stress
that you've experienced in a

1486
01:08:52,707 --> 01:08:54,899
school?
If you look back is heavily

1487
01:08:54,899 --> 01:08:58,000
weighted to when your schools in
a window frosted yet,

1488
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,700
hilariously.
I think all of it I think is

1489
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:04,200
top-down all of it comes.
That genuinely all of it.

1490
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:07,300
I think the high workload comes
as a result of leaders,

1491
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:09,500
stressing out about ofsted
coming in and doing and the

1492
01:09:09,508 --> 01:09:13,399
workload increases I really do.
I think it's just yeah, it's it.

1493
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,800
I don't know, something needs to
change in my opinion but we can

1494
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,399
talk about that.
I think another episode that's

1495
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,200
12 discussion, you know, it's
happening.

1496
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,800
Next week, right?
Another strike.

1497
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,600
So I'm sure we'll touch on this
in the next podcast.

1498
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,600
Yeah, let's do it.
Will talk about ofsted will talk

1499
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,800
about offset next week and those
strikes.

1500
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,500
Really nice chat there.
I did love that.

1501
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,600
I do love it when we just get
our teeth into something and we

1502
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,600
just get carried away, was
really really good.

1503
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,100
It's such a big part of, you
know, my teaching experience was

1504
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:45,000
that training because you know
what, it helps me fall in love

1505
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,000
with teaching because I realized
it's something I really enjoy

1506
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,500
doing and it's probably why
we're so passionate now, aren't

1507
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:53,600
we about trying to save this
profession again?

1508
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,300
One last thing before we go,
guys, you've got this far and

1509
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:59,000
you haven't already given us a
five star review on Spotify or

1510
01:09:59,008 --> 01:10:01,800
wherever you, listen it.
Is so helpful to us?

1511
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,600
I can't tell you how many
people.

1512
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,900
I've had literally come up to me
and say I can't believe how many

1513
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:09,100
reviews you've got as out.
Yeah, cuz I don't shut up about

1514
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:10,500
it.
I asked everyone who could

1515
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:13,100
possibly listen.
It's so helpful and if anyone's

1516
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:16,400
a across the podcast and they
see the reviews, they will click

1517
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,100
on it.
So thank you so much for

1518
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:21,600
everything you've done so far.
Follow re all that good stuff

1519
01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:25,400
and I want to say we don't say
it enough, I guess because we're

1520
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,300
being genuine.
Thank you so much for listening,

1521
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:29,000
guys.
Thank you.

1522
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,400
See you next time.
See you next week, next time.

1523
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,200
See you next week.
Bye, guys.

1524
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:37,100
That's right.
But