Ep 117: We Are Quitting Teaching - Here's Why

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Sleep.
Repeat.

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My name is.
Dylan and my name's Hayden.

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And it is extra.
I don't know where you are in

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the country right now, but where
we are, it is extremely hot.

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I am struggling to function as a
human being.

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I am thirsty at the best of
times.

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I'm actually really regretting
the fact that I don't have a

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drink right now in front of me
because I don't think I'm going

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to last the whole time.
So whenever there's a Jingle

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coming up, I'll be off to get a
drink because it is so hot in

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general.
And I feel like the most British

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thing in the world is to talk
about the weather and also moan

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about the weather because all of
the year saying how cold and

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miserable they are.
I wish we were just somewhere

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where it was nice.
It's finally nice.

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And I don't like you, Hayden,
but I'm struggling to function

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as a human being.
Yeah, the the thing that on top

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of this, right on top of all
this, because obviously very

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British, very British must know
about this as well, is I can't

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believe how many of us,
including me, are allergic to

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the Earth.
Like, I don't, I don't

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understand why I can, why I wake
up in the summer.

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Yeah, I've lived like, yes, come
on, 8 months of it's being cold.

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It's been so great.
Finally got some heat.

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Oh, I'm allergic to the air.
Like what?

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Why?
Hay fever?

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Hay fever?
Yeah, Like, why?

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Why?
My eyes itching?

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Come on.
We've evolved to this.

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What's happening?
It's a joke.

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It's so true.
I don't, I don't get hay fever

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luckily, but for the first time
in what I feel like is my life,

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because I don't know, I was
sneezy and had a tickly nose and

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I felt like I felt like it was
what hay fever was last week

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when I was in school and I
thought don't start now.

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I don't want to be allergic to
the.

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Grass.
One of us, one of us.

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It's just this happened though,
because I definitely what I

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definitely did not have hay
fever for a huge portion of my

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life.
That was not a thing I

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experienced and I got older
insane.

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And yeah, anyway, other than,
you know, so yeah, heat and hay

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fever have a little moan.
Well, it like, but like swerving

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this round as we always do.
It's like I made this to do at

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schools because this is a school
bucket.

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Of course, is just the heat and
teaching, right?

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Because I feel like we kind of
got we got to the end of the

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week before the heat kind of
kicked in really.

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And I'm dreading if it stays
until next week as we released

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this podcast because teaching in
a classroom of 32 children where

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there is barely enough room to
actually move, never mind

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actually, you know, have our own
space around us during what is

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essentially a heat wave, is
probably one of the worst

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experiences that you can have in
a profession.

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Yeah, yeah.
And I tell you what, Dylan,

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you've actually missed out on
just a little bit of icing on

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this cake, right?
Because you've not actually

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taught you since, and I don't
think I need to explain why.

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The older you get, the more
likely it is to be worth when

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you're in the room in the heated
room.

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After playing football for an
hour.

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On the playground, yeah, yeah,
there's, there is something

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about you see you get hardened
to it.

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Teachers do come up when at the
end of the year, a day in Year 6

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and a hot day and they go, whoa,
they walk in, they have to get

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acclimatised.
They normally sort of wear some

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sort of special equipment for 10
minutes just to get used to it.

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You know, I've got a theory
about this.

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Well, my theory is that's why
you're in year 6.

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It's so that you don't feel
embarrassed that it's actually

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you that's causing that it is
you.

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Really.
You're saying that Mister Sweat

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is saying that?
What what I love is at school,

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Hayden and I tend to on a
Tuesday, I think it's a Tuesday

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for whatever reason, we're PP as
and stuff.

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We tend to have lunch together
in my room because we don't see

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each other really in school and
we don't get all the time.

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And every Tuesday, one of our my
lovely colleagues who's a HRDA

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who is teaching that afternoon
will come around towards the end

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of lunch just to like, you know,
get the books out ready to do

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that their lessons in the
afternoon.

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And every single time she comes
in and she says, oh, it's the

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meat club.
Yeah, I knew you were going to

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say that because literally this
week we didn't do it.

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She came in and she said, oh,
and you know what?

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You know what?
I was there, but you weren't.

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And she went, oh, it doesn't
smell of meat this week, so it's

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me.
It's the meat, man.

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Can we just clarify because this
could sound right.

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The reason that it's called meat
club is because we eat.

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Our lunch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not just a sandwich sacks.
Of meat and saying what's weird

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is I was eating my normal lunch
and she didn't.

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She said it in the smell of the
packet meat club.

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Clearly I get packeting meaty,
stinky meat for lunch.

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Oh, gosh.
But you were saying how Teacher

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Tat was mentioning.
Yeah, it was AC or something.

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Yeah, I think, I think it was
maybe yesterday when we were

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recording this.
It was a question it was

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basically clearly geared towards
like, what does your school do

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about the heat?
Because one of the questions was

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about air conditioning,
something to do with air

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conditioning.
And I literally remember

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thinking about.
Oh yeah, this is clearly to do

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with the fact that schools don't
have air conditioning and it's

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horrendous in the proper heat.
Is is awful.

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Like I can I can only say you
need to experience being in that

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room.
And do you know what?

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Everyone was at school at some
point in their life.

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I remember being in secondary
school especially and Oh my

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goodness me, if it was a hot
day, everyone like ran around

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and played at break time and
stuff.

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And you're in that perfect age
of just like that room must have

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been a hot like horrendous.
There's no way.

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How come my teachers have taught
a good lesson like that?

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Can't be enjoyable.
And they'd still say you cannot

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take your blazer off.
No, insane.

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Oh my God, yeah.
I did a whole thing about that

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on social media.
And and I'm, I'm, I'm amazed at

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how many people still have that
view of no, it's it's right.

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It's the right thing to do
because it's smart.

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Even when it's like 5% of
people.

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I just can't fathom even that
amount of people thinking that

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it's OK to make a child really,
really hot because you have to

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make a jumper.
Because otherwise how will I

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have the Latin phrase on your
chest that will make you feel

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part?
Of the big group what on?

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Earth are you?
Talking about the, the problem

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is in schools with like going
back to just it being horribly

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hot and why, why it's just, it
has seemingly always been like

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this.
It's because air conditioning is

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so expensive and because I
remember speaking to a head

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teacher once I I worked at a
school years and years ago, I

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only worked there for one year.
And in terms of like heat, it

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was the worst experience I've
ever had in my life.

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I I cannot.
Wasn't that a brand new?

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Build it was a brand new.
This is what like blows my mind.

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It was a brand new school.
And I'm not saying that.

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Oh yeah, I went in there a
couple of days.

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I'm talking like literally the
the year it was built like

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brand, brand new.
I was the first person ever in

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that classroom facing the sun on
the side of the building.

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And it was like to the point
where I'm like, I actually, I,

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maybe I'm exaggerating here.
I reckon it was like over the

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like levels where you would
ethically be allowed to have

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human beings in there.
Wow.

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But I honestly thought that I
was like you.

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Were like a dog in the
supermarket who's been left in

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the car.
Yeah, literally that was me and

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all of the kids in my class.
I was like, this can't be

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allowed.
Like you can't.

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How can this be?
There must be a a cap where at

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some point it's like, Oh no,
that's like legally not allowed.

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You can't have kids in a room
that's just hot.

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Yeah, that's what it felt like.
And I said, what to the head

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teachers?
Why don't we have?

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Because what they didn't do on
purpose, they're not like, yeah,

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got ya.
Of course.

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I was like, why don't we have
air conditioning?

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And they sort of looked at me
and they were like, do you

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really need to answer that
question?

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Like what?
We don't even have necessities.

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In school, we don't have a chair
in the classroom.

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Yeah, I don't have a chair.
Like, why do you think I was

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like, Oh yeah, it's money, isn't
it?

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It's like, yeah, it costs way
too much.

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We just cannot.
Afford to and how many days of

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the year realistically?
That's what he followed it up

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with.
He was like and realistically

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like we'll have what 10 heat
WAVY kind of days in this year?

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We'll have a bunch of like
fairly hot days that are

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manageable.
I was like, Oh yeah, but it's

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rubbish though, isn't it?
Can I, can I ask you a question

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linked to this?
Because you get children when

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you have days like this and
they've been in the field and

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it's hot and they come down and
they're sweating and they've

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been enjoying themselves on the
field.

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And they're 789 years old, OK.
And they don't really have the

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forward thinking, not
maliciously, but they're just

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enjoying themselves to think,
oh, this is the time when I can

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go to the toilet and fill up my
drink and things like that.

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And break time finishes or
lunchtime finishes.

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They come into your classroom
and 15 of them want to go to the

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toilet and 25 of them want to
drink.

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Yeah.
What's what's your gut instincts

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on that in general when that
happens?

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I I let it go a long time ago,
this, this whole thing like I

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used to, I used to think I had
to care about that.

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I used to be like, Oh, the
powers that be.

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If I if I am not teaching, if
they if they catch me not

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teaching for three minutes of
this 2 1/2 hour afternoon for

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some reason that we do have kids
now, they'll be they won't like

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it.
And now I'm, I'm just the

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opinion of their, their kids,
they are, they've had a, they've

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had their lunch break their
hearts.

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Like you said, they're thirsty.
Just let them go to the toilet

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and have a drink and then just
start the afternoon.

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Just let it go.
You can actually just not get

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annoyed at it at all.
I realise it's a decision.

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I just don't get annoyed about
it.

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Now I'm like, yeah, OK.
They say, yeah, go, just go now.

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Just go slowly out.
I don't care.

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We'll just die in a couple of
minutes.

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It's literally fine.
And what do you actually gain

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from being annoyed by it anyway?
Like.

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And again, you're absolutely
right.

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The only reason I've ever, ever,
ever, ever been annoyed at that

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is because I feel like I've been
indoctrinated to be told I need

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to have every single minute on
learning.

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And actually, whenever I just
actually think about what my

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inside thoughts are about a
child saying, can I go to the

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toilet?
And by the way, I'm not going to

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lie, I don't know.
This will get me into trouble

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with other people who say this
is right or wrong.

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If a kid in a lesson says can I
go to the toilet, I just say

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yes, because they just need to
go to the toilet.

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I'm not, I'm not there to train
their bladder.

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Like, yeah, I know what?
Oh, the teacher can't go to the

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toilet.
Yeah, I'm an adult.

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There's, there's a different set
of rules for me.

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There's that doesn't
automatically means you can't.

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And I just think there's, I've
started to teach my children and

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I've said to them, and I really
trust them because we've built

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this up over the whole year now
where I'm saying to them, if

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you're desperate to go to the
toilet, of course you can.

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If you can wait until you've
done a few more questions

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because you don't really need to
go right now and there's a

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difference, then maybe could you
get these questions done for me?

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And I tell you what, 90% of the
time the children say, oh, yeah,

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I'll do these questions because
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they know they're allowed to go
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It's not a kind of strict, Oh my
gosh, if I can go, I'm going to

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go right now.
It's just if they're desperate,

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they can, they know they can go.
And if they're not, and if

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there's one person who takes the
mic a little bit about the fact

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that, oh, they're allowed to go
to the loo for a bit, do you

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know what?
I'd rather that one person take

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liberties.
But the six other kids who need

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the toilet, who aren't sat there
desperate, not being able to do

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good work because they really
need to go to the loo.

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That's a good point.
I was about to come back at you

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and say there'll be the people
online and say oh, wokey teacher

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doesn't have any discipline and
won't, won't let's the kids roll

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the roof.
Discipline, by the way, for

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wanting a we.
I know.

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Yeah, yeah.
And, and I actually think that

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what you said is a really good
point.

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And we should definitely like,
let's just let's make that a

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bigger point.
Like we've spoke about it so

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many times as a podcast with so
many different contexts.

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We shouldn't take away liberties
because a small percentage of

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people are abusing them like we
we'd like.

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There's so many elements of
life.

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I won't go into too much detail
where that is true.

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And that's absolutely true with
the toilet.

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Just let me go to the toilet.
And there's another aspect of

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this where it's like, oh, that
kids taking advantage, they just

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want to get out of the
classroom.

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OK, well, clearly they need to
get out of the classroom.

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Let them have a what do you
mean?

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Like, if you go on the
one-size-fits-all model, you do

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tend to, like, shoehorn yourself
into this way of thinking of

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there is only there is one rule,
and it's for everyone, and it

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can't possibly be broken.
And then you remember that we're

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all actually quite different.
Yeah.

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And do you know what?
There might just be a kid who

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genuinely needs 3 minutes out of
your lesson every time, and the

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other kids don't need it, and
that's fine.

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You can't then say, oh, you're
now naughty for it.

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Yeah.
Like, I'm not.

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I'm not going to pretend that
there's absolutely 0% chance

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that someone actually genuinely,
for no good reason takes like

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takes advantage of it.
I'm sure that happens.

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But like you said, if you
actually have a good system in

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your classroom, it is genuinely
very, very, very rare.

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So rare that it's not even a
worry that enters my head.

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And I, yeah, it just, it, it
does make me sad inside a little

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bit because again, different,
different children will come to

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you and have different
experiences from different

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teachers, whether it's in the
same year group, previous year

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groups, previous schools, even
at the being in where a child

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will say, oh, I'm not allowed to
go to the toilet in this

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situation or in that situation.
I was told no for this or that.

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And whatever situation
previously that's been in, even

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sometimes outside of school.
Yeah, I just think to myself, do

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you know what I what I can
control in my classroom here is

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that I'm OK with you going to
the toilet.

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And if you need a drink, I'm OK
if you're having a drink because

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it's just water at the end of
the day.

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And then if, if it's the fifth
time in a row in a 30 minute

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period, do you know what I'm
going to do as professional,

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start to wonder what's going on
and go and have a chat with you

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and see if I can get to the
bottom of it.

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But it's a blanket rule so
often, although maybe nice and

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easy to kind of put out there,
it's easy to say no to everyone

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all the time, isn't it?
Is it, is it realistic?

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Is it helpful?
Is it nice for your kids or

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wokey?
Wokey.

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Please let them go to the loot.
If that's woke.

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I'm woke.
Yeah, Christ call me woke like

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people go to.
The toilet.

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Because you know what?
I think you are.

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If you don't, I won't say it.
You're filling that back.

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Filling that back.
You could be that.

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No, I won't say.
Because this podcast will get

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cancelled.
Do you know what, Dylan?

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You might be surprised to know
that there is one exception to

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this rule for me.
There is one time where I where

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I genuinely quite often say no.
And that is when they ask to go

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to the toilet 5 seconds before
I'm about to dismiss them from a

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time lunchtime.
And I'm like, guys, if you let

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me finish my sentence, I'm about
to say you can go.

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Like there's honestly, you're,
you're taking longer to ask me

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to go toilet and I would have
just finished the lesson and it

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happens a lot.
And I finally worked out why.

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I don't know why it took me so
long 'cause it's quite simple.

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I finally worked out why there
was such a phenomenon of people

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asked me to go to the toilet in
the last two minutes of the

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lesson.
And I was like, what's going?

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Why did this always seem to
happen is because they don't

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waste their break time.
They want to go to the toilet so

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they can do that bit not in
their break time because you

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know what just a reminder of
everyone, even though we say why

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didn't you go on your break
time?

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You just had break.
Kids don't want to waste their

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break time going for a wee.
They want to have fun.

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Break time for them is playing
football or running around or

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playing and.
They don't get on whatever.

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And I do think this
conversation, by the way, I do

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think it's a very different
conversation.

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As they move up to secondary
school, there'll be lots of

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secondary school teachers
listening to this guy.

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Well, yeah, my kids go to the
toilet for a vape break.

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Do you know what I mean?
Like very, very, very, very,

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very different.
We're talking about 8 year olds.

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We come from the angle of an 8
year old where 99% of the time

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they just want to go to the loo
and it's fine.

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And so, yeah, I think that's a
completely different

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conversation, like you're
saying.

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But again, you're right.
You use your break.

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I'm an adult and I use my break
to go to the toilet.

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And you know, we should be
saying to the children, if you

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can wait until break time.
That's how we function in

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society.
Usually is if you're watching a

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film, you went into the
intermission, you might need the

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toilet for a bit.
It's OK to need to go to the

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toilet and not immediately be
gratified.

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Yeah.
But what I'm saying is just in

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general, if they can, why?
Why am I inventing the rule that

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they can't?
It's not like it's a show where

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the show is carrying on.
We can't miss much.

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I'm in a classroom where you can
go.

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So do you know what?
Can you hold it?

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No, I'm desperate.
Off you go.

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Yeah, and is that naughty?
No.

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God, just get over it.
Exactly.

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Anyway, that ended up but crazy
chat there.

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The other thing we're gonna
catch up about?

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Is this is the time of the year
we're past the May 31st deadline

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where you put your letters of
resignation in.

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And I'm pretty sure by now if
someone had decided that they

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were going to stop teaching, I
mean, we're a few weeks in by

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now.
You've heard about it so well,

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We.
Literally had didn't we at our

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school, the like the teacher
sheet come around this week the

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teacher did.
So everyone gets to find out our

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school, I don't know if it's the
same for you guys.

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Everyone's found out this week.
Maybe your teacher leaves it a

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bit longer because they're still
trying to figure out.

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But we found out where all the
teachers and Tas are going to be

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next year, and it's big, isn't
it?

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People saying I'm officially in
this year group or that year

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group, yeah.
And I know a lot of people will

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be listening to this and think,
I wonder what guys there, 'cause

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you're in Year 6, obviously.
Yeah, been in year 6 for five

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years now.
You've been in year 4 for

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probably quite a long time.
For a long.

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Time.
And I know you like to tell me

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that you're in six and I'm in
four.

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Yeah, superior dichotomy there.
So where are you next year?

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Funnily enough, I wasn't on
Nasheet.

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And you?
Me.

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Neither, and you weren't.
Either.

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And I did notice that and I did
think what on earth has

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happened?
So what's happening, Aiden?

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Well guys, we've got quite a big
announcement to make and we're

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making it very casually in the
middle of this episode.

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But didn't I have quit teaching?
We have quit.

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Teaching, I mean, I think my
heart's going wrong.

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No, no, it's a, it's a big
thing, isn't it?

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Because we've talked about it a
lot.

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We've talked about quitting
teaching a lot.

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We talked about the pros and
cons and I don't know, I've not

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done the title to this episode
yet, but you may won't have

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clicked it thinking, oh, I kind
of already got a hint of what's

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going on.
Yeah, maybe.

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So less of a less of a Cliff
hanger for you maybe than for

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us.
But yeah, listen, we are not

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going to be a an official weekly
classroom teacher anymore from

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next year.
We've put our notice in, and I

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think we're going to dive into
now a little chat about it.

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So there'll be a lot of people
out there.

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And we've got a lot of messages
from people in general saying,

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guys, keep fighting the good
fight.

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You know, what you're saying is
really important for teachers.

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You're doing the right thing.
We need more teachers like you.

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Well, you haven't.
Yeah.

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Because I'll tell you what, I
finally came to that message

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with the guy with the Nigel
Farage picture on his his

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profile picture that said quit
then I was like, well, all right

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then.
So.

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So let's, let's be real, let's
just rewind for a second because

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we've done a lot of a lot of
episodes on weekly episodes now

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for nearly like a year, but
missed anything.

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Yeah, we're not Mr. Not Mr B
and.

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Obviously we put our resignation
letter in before the deadline,

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so a few weeks ago now, but
we've known for quite a few

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months I think that we were 99%
going to do it again.

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We had conversations with our
head teacher.

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Nothing was a shock.
It's a long term decision.

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So what?
Hey there.

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I want you to explain because I
think there's going to be a lot

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of overlap between us why we
have decided to quit teaching.

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It's a big.
Question Bill, it's a big

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question and I, and I don't want
to do it a disservice with, with

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one answer.
There's going to be lots of

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prongs to this.
OK, But do you know what?

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If I'm going like properly, just
right at the core of this, I

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just, I just feel like I, I'm
wasting too much time.

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I, I, I just, I waste so much of
my time doing things that I just

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don't think.
And to the point where I'm so

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arrogant about it.
I know it's just not impacting

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the kids.
It's not impacting me as a

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teacher.
I'm just wasting my time

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constantly.
I'm sick of it.

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We've talked.
A lot about this exact thing and

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we've done what I think and I
hope and I know from messages

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we've got is it's helped people
a lot to kind of get to the

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bottom of what they can cut out
of the job, right.

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And I know you and I have cut
out a lot of things from the job

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which may rub people up the
wrong way, may make certain

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people think that we're not in
it properly, etcetera.

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But we back ourselves to know
we're doing the right thing for

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the kids all the time.
We've cut all that back and

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you're and it sounds like you
still think we do too much

447
00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880
rubbish.
It is a bit rubbish.

448
00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,360
Or is it that you personally
just don't want to do it anymore

449
00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,920
and that you think it's
acceptable?

450
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,599
Like, you know, is it, is it
just part of the job and you've

451
00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:07,280
just got to the point where you
don't want to do it anymore?

452
00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,480
Or is there still things in this
system now it's teaching that

453
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,640
you just think that is
completely pointless and I'm

454
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,800
still doing it a bit of
everything.

455
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,400
So let me break that down.
I think I'd like to think I

456
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,599
follow my own advice in terms of
cutting back on you do on gunk.

457
00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:21,800
We really don't need to do this
job.

458
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,520
There's a lot of superficial
stuff that we convince ourselves

459
00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,200
we have to do and we really just
don't have to do it.

460
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,680
And we talk about it a lot in
this podcast, But then there is

461
00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,000
just stuff that is baked into
the job, right?

462
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,200
That I also just hate doing,
like marking.

463
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,960
And that sounds silly.
It's like you're a teacher.

464
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,040
Of course you're marking.
Get over it.

465
00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,000
Marking.
It's like, yeah, OK, do you know

466
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,560
what?
10 years ago, five years ago,

467
00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,520
even I could get over it.
I was like, it's not that

468
00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,240
unenjoyable.
But I'm at the point now where

469
00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,480
with marking and even down to
like planning, like I think

470
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,160
because I because I've always
planned at home.

471
00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,200
And maybe this is this is the
fault of my own, right?

472
00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,000
Because I really struggled to
plan at schools.

473
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,400
I have to just be in my own
space.

474
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,520
And I find I'm easier if I'm at
home just planning my lessons.

475
00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,240
I just don't want to do it
anymore.

476
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,920
I don't enjoy it.
I love being with the kids, but

477
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,920
I just don't want to do the
stuff around it.

478
00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,040
And a lot of that stuff is
actually reasonable, which has

479
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,720
made me think, am I?
Have I just been in this game

480
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,360
too long?
I don't know did that.

481
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,120
That kind of ticked over for us,
didn't it?

482
00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,520
I can talk from from my own
experience here that I think I

483
00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:18,000
was good 234 years ago, probably
around COVID time to be fair, of

484
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,240
realising what was really
impactful for the children and

485
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,800
cutting back what I didn't want
to do anymore.

486
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000
But this, there is certain parts
of this job now where I can't

487
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,920
sit here on this podcast and
say, oh, don't do that.

488
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,840
It's just a nonsense because
it's probably helpful and

489
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,480
there's probably parts of the
job that are good in terms of

490
00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,600
that, you know, looking
obviously looking at books and

491
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,880
knowing children's gaps and
things.

492
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,560
Yeah, that is helpful, isn't it?
Like, that is the extra mile you

493
00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,440
want to go to replanning things
to be more in line with new

494
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,920
curriculums and stuff.
That is obviously a good thing

495
00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,040
that we need to do.
And I, I can't sit here and say

496
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,400
we shouldn't do that.
But what I can sit here and say

497
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,000
is I don't want to spend my time
doing it.

498
00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:53,360
Yeah.
I don't want to do.

499
00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:56,600
It and if it was just a case of
turning up to teach the children

500
00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,120
and and almost having that
freedom of 20-30 years ago, you

501
00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,360
know, pre curriculum, even that
people talk about that freedom

502
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,360
people used to have, I think it
would be a 10 out of 10 job.

503
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,720
But there's just too much stuff
that I'm not even now at this

504
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,320
point saying is completely
pointless.

505
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,160
What I'm saying is I simply
don't want to spend my time

506
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,800
doing it.
Mind the compounding of stuff

507
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,160
that I should reasonably just be
doing that I don't really enjoy

508
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,960
doing anymore.
Like the stuff that goes around

509
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,440
the actual, you know, the good
bit with the kids.

510
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,400
Plus genuinely all of the
pressure of all of that extra

511
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,200
stuff that we're constantly
trying to help you guys like get

512
00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,400
rid of that you can actually
justifiably get rid of.

513
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,160
There still exists though.
There's a pressure.

514
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,360
It's not like you get to say no
and then no one ever talks about

515
00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:34,200
it again.
All of that stuff still exists

516
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,200
and you still get people looking
down their noses at you because

517
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,040
you're not doing these things.
They're going so above and

518
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,120
beyond and staying till 6:00
every night and do it's like,

519
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,680
OK, look, you're still like, it
still makes me feel a certain

520
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,400
way even when I choose not to do
them.

521
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,880
And I think the kind of
combination of that, whatever

522
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,000
that line is in my head,
something's changed over the

523
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,800
last year or so where I was
like, I just don't think, I

524
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,680
don't think the the pros
outweigh the cons anymore to me,

525
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,040
despite there still being the
thing inside of it, which is

526
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,400
like the thing I literally love
doing the most in the world,

527
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,320
which is teaching kids.
Which is why this whole

528
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,360
conversation feels so hard
because I feel like a hypocrite.

529
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,040
I genuinely feel like a bit of a
hypocrite.

530
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,320
Like sitting here saying all
this, but I'm trying to justify

531
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,000
how I still love you all the
kids, but I just can't justify

532
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,320
as from the holistic view of my
life.

533
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,000
I just think now is the time for
me to leave the classroom.

534
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,920
Yeah.
We've, we've had so many

535
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,840
conversations about this.
This has been a long time coming

536
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,360
for us.
We've we've probably spoken

537
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,760
about when and how and if we can
quit teaching.

538
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,480
Like having long term plans, it
is something to celebrate for us

539
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,720
honestly, in terms of we were
going to quit teaching when we

540
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,160
got to the point where other
things we wanted to do were at

541
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,320
the point where it could sustain
us.

542
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,840
So it is a celebration in itself
that we've managed to get to

543
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,840
this point through other things.
And we'll talk about that in

544
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,760
more detail.
But I, I want to just highlight

545
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,760
what you said there about it is
difficult as well, though, like

546
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,480
my, my first thought here,
you've, you've talked really

547
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,200
nicely about why we've quit, why
your main reason is, and we'll,

548
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,720
we'll talk in more detail about
other things.

549
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,280
But a big forefront of my mind
for the big thing in the

550
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,040
forefront of my mind for the
last year or so even has been

551
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,160
stopping me from confirming
quitting is that I love teaching

552
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,240
so much.
I, I, I, I don't think ever I

553
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,760
will replace that being a job
that I love.

554
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,080
And there's nothing better like
being in front of the children,

555
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,200
teaching them a maths lesson,
which I think is really useful

556
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,880
for them and will help them
become more rounded.

557
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,520
And then getting something And
even for me, going in everyday

558
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,760
and building these relationships
with these really amazing young

559
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,160
people and just getting to know
them and helping them develop,

560
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,360
whether it's maths, reading,
English, science, finding their

561
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,840
interest, knowing them really
well, helping them, being a safe

562
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,280
space for them, looking after
them.

563
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,800
That is just the ultimate
service job for me that I think

564
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,440
hits every single box of what I
want to do in my life.

565
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,200
It and I find it so sad and I
really, really wrestled with it

566
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,200
that it's got to the point where
this is baked into a system that

567
00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,120
I think is inherently broken and
there are children falling

568
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:02,600
through the gaps, whether it's
the SEM register growing, not

569
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,720
enough funding to actually give
these kids what they need.

570
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,000
Too much pressure being put on
me as a as a teacher.

571
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,880
And I don't mind saying that
there's just too much pressure

572
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560
for me to deliver everything.
It's really hard to do that.

573
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,920
I've got to put in so much of my
own extra time to get this job

574
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,520
done.
The pay is not kept up with

575
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000
inflation remotely.
You're getting attacked from

576
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,040
left, right and centre whenever
you talk about these problems

577
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,320
from stupid people online who've
never been involved in education

578
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,600
in their life.
When everything is fundamentally

579
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,160
rooted in me wanting to help the
kids.

580
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680
I really, really struggle.
And I still struggle now,

581
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,920
despite the fact we are quitting
teaching with that decision.

582
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,840
And that there's a part of me
that feels a bit of guilt, I

583
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,960
suppose, that I'm stepping away
from that role where I can be

584
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,760
that for the kids.
Yeah.

585
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,880
Because you know.
What people are going to say,

586
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,440
you know that, you know, the
same people that do all the

587
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,040
guilt tripping online and like
try to convince teachers,

588
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,000
gaslight teachers into thinking
that they're only doing it for

589
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560
the kids and nothing else.
They should be selfless martyrs

590
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,440
and take whatever pay you're
given and suck it up.

591
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,280
You know, that kind of rhetoric.
It's like you just know what's

592
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,320
going to happen is, well, if you
love that, if you love giving

593
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,120
that to the kids so much, then
you wouldn't quit.

594
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,200
And you know, that's there.
And I think that's where that

595
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,480
guilt comes from because I get
it as well.

596
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,600
And on top of that, I, I don't
know if you feel this, but I

597
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,280
feel really anxious that I'm
just wrong.

598
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280
Like, because I do feel the same
with you as you about how much I

599
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,040
love being with the kids like
it, it, it fulfils me.

600
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560
So like the the fullest amount
is, is a strange feeling.

601
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:26,040
And, and I do worry that even
though I think the cons outweigh

602
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,480
the pros from that being the
pro, I do worry that come

603
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,920
September or maybe even a year
down the line, that if I didn't

604
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,680
have any of that in my life,
there is literally no like

605
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,640
better alternative where, where
it's kind of like, oh, you can

606
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,200
have the best job in the world,
but it's still just not as

607
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,960
wholesome as those, those that
bit of the job where you got to

608
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,840
teach kids and it was even worth
all of the rubbish on top.

609
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,040
That's what I'm battling with in
my head.

610
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,560
I don't think I'm wrong because
I want to give myself some

611
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,400
credit.
And I thought about, you know,

612
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760
we, we've both been thinking
about this and toying with this

613
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,080
idea for a long time.
We nearly quit last year.

614
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,480
We nearly quit.
I don't think we talked about

615
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,680
this.
We nearly quit three years ago.

616
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,880
Yeah, three years ago before we
went part time, we were either

617
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,800
going to go part time and if
that wasn't available, we were

618
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,160
going to quit.
We were going to take the plunge

619
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,160
at that point.
Going part time saved our career

620
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,920
for a bit, I must say.
But yeah, you're right.

621
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,720
We've got to that point now
where we just think, look, it's

622
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,240
I think it's best for us.
And what I don't want to do is

623
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,720
get to 4550, look back and think
that was the chance where we

624
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,200
could have tried it and we're
going to try it now.

625
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,960
And OK, so coming back then to
kind of almost a response to

626
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,960
ourselves there talking if if
we're that, you know, that

627
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600
engaged with the children, we
love it so much, not even being

628
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,800
these people who are getting
annoyed at us now, but people

629
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,640
who are in the education system
saying, well, how can we keep

630
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,680
you?
One of the first questions, and

631
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,520
I get asked this a lot now when
we talk about potentially

632
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,120
quitting in the past, Why don't
you just stay and climb the

633
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,400
ladder?
Why don't you just, you know,

634
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,840
why don't you stay in teaching
then and, and move on to a

635
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,200
different role, become a SENCO,
become a head of year, become an

636
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,400
assistant head, become a head
teacher in the long term?

637
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,400
Is that viable?
Like, why did you choose not to

638
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,520
do that?
It's it's.

639
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,240
Just not desirable enough.
It's simple as that, really.

640
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,520
And I think it's the same for
the stats speak for themselves.

641
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,240
It's not desirable enough, you
know, make that career desirable

642
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,520
for me and, and I'd consider it.
But at the end of the day, you

643
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040
know, you can't, you know, you
can't offer me a, a tin of beans

644
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,360
and a penny and say, oh, and
we're going to double your

645
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,440
workload.
Do you want to come do this?

646
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,720
No, of course I don't.
But it's for the kids who will

647
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,720
impact more kids.
OK, well, I can go and impact,

648
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,440
you know what?
I can go and impact more kids

649
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,480
honestly, out out of working out
of school as well.

650
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,800
Like, it's almost patronising to
suggest the only possible way I

651
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,760
could impact more my kids is
becoming SLT at school.

652
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,840
Oh, do you know what?
No, that's not it.

653
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,920
There's more ways to do that
sort of thing, and that's one of

654
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,560
the things I'd like to do when I
leave teaching.

655
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,640
But yeah, no, I don't want to
work up a ladder.

656
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Would you?
Ever would you ever could you

657
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,160
ever see yourself as being ahead
of school?

658
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,760
I.
Consider this is going to sound

659
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,160
really arrogant.
That sounds like everything you

660
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,520
say.
I think I would probably enjoy

661
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,400
being a head teacher.
I don't think I'd enjoy any of

662
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,200
the roles in between teaching
and being a head teacher.

663
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,240
I don't know people like who do
you think you are?

664
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,960
Go straight to the top.
I think I would enjoy.

665
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,640
I don't think maybe I don't
think I can go straight to the

666
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,520
top, but I think I'd enjoy the
head teacher role.

667
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,640
But but again, I see it as a
burnout role.

668
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,040
And you know what, Isn't that
crazy that that is normal?

669
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,440
That's normal conversation.
If I talked to her, I spoke to

670
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,400
someone recently, funnily
enough, who said where I said,

671
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,480
Oh, you know, maybe I would
probably enjoy being a head

672
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,960
teacher and they said, oh, no,
don't do that.

673
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Do that when you're 50 and it's
the last four years of your

674
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,160
career.
It's a burnout role.

675
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,520
Isn't that what do you mean?
It's a burnout role?

676
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,920
That shouldn't be a burnout
role.

677
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520
That should be something where
like, anyone who's got the skill

678
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,440
set and passion to do that, we
should be getting them people in

679
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,920
that role and keep them there
for a long time.

680
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,800
Crazy.
So, yeah, couldn't be a head

681
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,880
teacher.
I don't know about, I don't know

682
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,000
about you.
Like, what's your opinions on

683
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400
the whole thing, the whole
scale, moving up the system,

684
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,320
being a head teacher, all of it.
I don't want to do it.

685
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,320
We talked about it a million
times.

686
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,920
I don't want to do it.
Is middle leadership worth it?

687
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,360
No.
You've got to be stuck in middle

688
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,000
leadership for three, 4-5 years.
I'm not going to do it.

689
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,560
And I think this is the it's
going to come back to, we're not

690
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,400
even mentioning this yet.
The thing that I'm most strongly

691
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,120
passionate about is the my
actual child.

692
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,800
You know, we've got, I've got a
child now.

693
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Rory is nearly two.
He's only going to be in them

694
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,120
preschool years for four years,
right?

695
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040
So we've got a couple years now
where we can be more flexible.

696
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,400
And this is a big part of it is
this flexibility that we're

697
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,680
going to have because teaching
it sounds great.

698
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,120
Oh, 13 weeks off a year, isn't
it good?

699
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,320
It's probably one of the least
flexible jobs out there.

700
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,760
You can't choose when your time
off is.

701
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800
No, if we're always ill or
something or, you know, you need

702
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,920
to book something out or Rory's
got a class that we're going to

703
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560
go to.
There's there's no physical way

704
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760
I can book that time off.
If it's in time time.

705
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,080
It's not flexible at all.
I some days and this, this was a

706
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480
kicker for me where I really
kind of ticked over to be like

707
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,440
I'm quitting Was there, there
are some days in term time where

708
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,520
I get up and get ready and leave
before Rory's woken up and I get

709
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920
home and Rory's just had his
bath and he's going down to bed.

710
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,800
And I, I just personally don't
care.

711
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,040
And you can come to me with your
hustler mindset all you want or

712
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,680
like getting out there and
getting out pee and stuff.

713
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
I, I don't even disagree.
Like you do you, right?

714
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,600
You do you.
And there's a benefit to that,

715
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:52,840
putting food on the table,
etcetera.

716
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,000
And that's a role of a person in
a family that is really

717
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840
important.
If there's a way for me to not

718
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,840
have to do that and still
support him and still, you know,

719
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,120
be there for him financially.
But I can also be there with him

720
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,000
in person more whilst he's still
not in school.

721
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520
And in those formative years
that is worth more than anything

722
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,520
to me.
So even if it means that, OK,

723
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600
look, I've got rid of my, my
teacher pension, everyone says

724
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520
so amazing.
I don't have those 13 weeks off

725
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,040
a year guaranteed anymore.
I'm missing out on that part of

726
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,760
the job, which I love, which is
with the kids added onto that

727
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,520
cons that we talked about the
things we don't want to do in

728
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,320
the job anymore, how much stress
there is, how much burnout there

729
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,560
is in term time, the cognitive
load we can talk about.

730
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,560
The biggest thing for me is the
time I lose with my son in term

731
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,400
time.
And do you know what I can do?

732
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720
I can just be more flexible with
him.

733
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,280
He's only little once that that
was a big, big decider for me

734
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,840
where I'm like, OK, I'm only
ever going to be in that

735
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,960
situation again ever again if I
choose to be.

736
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,760
And I'm not choosing at the
minute and there's no

737
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,160
flexibility there.
So big thing for me is young

738
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,160
family and I don't think, I
don't think I'll ever look back

739
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800
and think wish I just wish I was
in school longer.

740
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000
No, I'm going to look.
Back and think I just wish I'd

741
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,040
left and didn't do that part of
marking which had no impact on

742
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,040
32 kids but meant I didn't get
to have bath time with my son.

743
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Realistically I don't really
care.

744
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,880
Me personally, I'd rather go and
have bath time with my son every

745
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,320
day of the.
Week it's real, it's raw and

746
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160
it's not something we probably
would have been able to say a

747
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
few years ago because we just we
just you know even hearing about

748
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,960
it you're just just not the
same.

749
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,480
Is it you're in that situation
now and it's real for you and

750
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,160
you can't invalidate that like
no one can say now you're wrong.

751
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,840
What do you mean he's no that's
just how you feel and that's

752
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,600
completely acceptable and and I
I feel the same.

753
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,240
There's one more thing that I
guess I want to mention as a as

754
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400
a as a reason for I just don't
want to be in this job anymore

755
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120
and this one's a little bit not
as much about me, I guess and my

756
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
experience with it.
It's just I, I just can't deal

757
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880
with the fact that the entire
time I've worked in this job,

758
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,520
it's just been underfunded
constantly.

759
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,440
I'm actually just like losing
the will to live with how I just

760
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,760
have to go to a workplace that's
falling down and kids don't have

761
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,800
any stuff.
And like, and, and it's not,

762
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
it's not for any fault of anyone
in our school.

763
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720
It's because the powers that be
don't fund it properly.

764
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,120
And I'm just like, I can't, I
can't do this anymore.

765
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,520
Like even down to, OK, let's
bring it to a selfish level,

766
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,000
even down to like, you know what
your payback is?

767
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,680
You start teaching, you know
what your pay is going to be in

768
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,920
six years because it's capped
out.

769
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,960
Well, it's done.
It's like, OK, there's no,

770
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,600
there's no money in it.
It goes down every year,

771
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,160
respectively.
You speak to your teachers that

772
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,040
you know on their way out when
you start, and they're like, oh,

773
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,640
yeah, I used to have a fantastic
lifestyle in this profession,

774
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,920
which is a profession, by the
way, and which is essential for

775
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,560
society, doesn't exist anymore,
though.

776
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840
I can barely make ends meet now.
Oh, OK.

777
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,120
Right.
So just that the lack of funding

778
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,280
in schools and how it impacts me
and how it impacts the kids and

779
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,960
that therefore impacts just a
wider profession and the

780
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,480
experience of this job.
I'm just not about it.

781
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,680
And I'm, I'm bored of it.
I'm sick of it.

782
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,040
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

783
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,760
I, I, it's, it's another
depressing fact where I live my

784
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,320
life, my work life, having to
ignore the fact that I can't

785
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,400
cater to everyone.
And it's so easy online.

786
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,840
And do you know what parents,
parents of especially parents of

787
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,920
children with Sen needs, I can't
fathom what they have to go

788
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,640
through to get to even get a
slight modicum of what their

789
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320
child needs for supporting
schools.

790
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840
But I can promise you, I can
promise you right now that every

791
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,080
single teacher or by the vast,
vast majority of teachers want

792
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,400
what's best for your children as
well.

793
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440
And it is just so, so hard right
now in school financially.

794
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,960
And just like you're fighting
for your child, and you should

795
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,120
continue to fight for your child
and you should continue to be

796
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960
the voice for that child, I
promise you, teachers want the

797
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720
best for for your kids as well.
We've got 32 of them.

798
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360
We've got 32 of people's worlds
in front of us.

799
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,320
And a bunch of them won't need
any extra support.

800
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,880
And you know, you shouldn't need
an EHCP to be meeting the needs

801
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,680
of all the kids.
No.

802
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,280
OK, I know that.
But an EHCP comes with funding,

803
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000
so it's really vital that kids
who need that get that kind of

804
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,400
support.
And there are going to be then

805
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,760
the children who aren't on the
EHCP register in terms of

806
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,080
getting that support, but are
still on the special educational

807
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,960
needs.
There was news this week of it

808
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,840
going up to 20% of children are
special educational needs.

809
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,000
We need to have inclusion 20
percent, 20%, one in five, which

810
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,680
which sounds right and if
anything low based on what I've

811
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,120
seen in terms of being in a
class of 30 children.

812
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,200
That's six kids.
I can.

813
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,240
I can.
Yeah, I think that's about, I

814
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,560
suppose.
When you put it like that, I

815
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,120
wouldn't have, if you said guess
the number, I would have

816
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,480
probably would have got under
10%.

817
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,480
Yeah, yeah.
But when you actually think

818
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000
about your class and maybe
profile it in your head six

819
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,040
hours, yes, it's about right.
It's about right.

820
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920
I'd say for that kind of thing
and, and those those that

821
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,320
overlap there where they don't
get the funding, but they need

822
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,160
that extra support.
Absolutely.

823
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Schools should be putting things
in place for them them, but but

824
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,040
how we don't have the adult
support in classrooms anymore.

825
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,440
Teaching assistants have been
decimated.

826
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,240
I'd I would love to know what
percentage of teachers have the

827
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,360
same teaching assistant all
week.

828
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,680
That used to be a thing when I
was at school.

829
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,200
It was a teacher and a teaching
assistant and they were a team

830
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,520
and they were together all week
and they just taught everything

831
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,560
together.
It doesn't happen anymore.

832
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,160
Have a teaching assistant X
percent of the time and it just

833
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
doesn't happen.
These little tiny things that

834
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
I've been eroded and picked away
at and picked away at and picked

835
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,600
away at.
And I've been in this job for

836
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,240
nearly a decade now.
And I have seen how those small

837
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,600
pickings away every single year
have impacted now long the long

838
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,840
term.
And we are in a situation where

839
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040
we need radical change if we're
going to keep up with the needs

840
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,920
of our children.
Yeah.

841
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880
And it and it is just ultimately
tips the job to a point where

842
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,960
it's just undesirable for me
now.

843
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,560
That's it.
You know, at the end of the day,

844
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,800
I am a human being as well.
We're not these selfless martyrs

845
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,400
that everyone seems to want
teachers to be.

846
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,680
I am just a guy doing a job, in
all honesty.

847
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,880
And I've got my own life, I've
got my own family, and I've got

848
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,440
other aspirations that I want to
achieve and things.

849
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,360
And it's just a point where it's
like it's tipped too far.

850
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,080
If you know what, if they want
to keep in education, they could

851
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,800
honestly have made any more than
0% effort over the last 10 years

852
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,760
because that's what's happened.
That's what's happened in this

853
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520
country.
It's not keeping teachers who

854
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,800
love doing this job anymore.
It's not keeping skilled

855
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,480
teachers like I'm good at what I
do.

856
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,800
I've done it for 10 years.
And again, very arrogant.

857
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,120
I'm really running the theme of
arrogance.

858
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,000
I can think of the.
Title now in the Daily Mail.

859
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Arrogant teacher leaves job and
moans.

860
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,240
But I'm good at what I do, and
you're good at what you do as

861
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,080
well.
We actually shouldn't be.

862
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,080
You're good at what you do as
well.

863
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,720
Sorry, but we shouldn't be
leaving this job like the system

864
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,320
should be keeping us I think.
A huge problem with the current,

865
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040
the way that education is
structured and because of the

866
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,960
erosion over time and because of
what things have been put in

867
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,239
place to try and solve the
retention and recruitment

868
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,639
crisis, etcetera, like the
starting salaries being boosted

869
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,639
up, the bursaries for training
and things like that.

870
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,880
It's, it's just a complete wrong
approach.

871
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,719
You're trying to funnel more
people into a system that's

872
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,840
completely broken.
That's famously fixed his

873
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,679
machines, doesn't it?
If there's a machine in a

874
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,719
factory that's broken, why don't
we run more things into the

875
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,639
front of it?
More pressure on?

876
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,679
It of course.
Not and, and I think I would say

877
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,800
alongside, I mean, there's loads
of jobs.

878
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,880
I'm not going to sit here and
say this is the one job on

879
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719
education which has been
squeezed out because there were

880
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,199
15.
But from my point of view and my

881
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,199
experience of being a teacher,
experienced classroom teachers

882
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,440
are seen as completely
dismissible because, you know,

883
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,440
you go and look for a job.
Now as a teacher, it used to say

884
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,720
main pay raise to upper pay
scale and maybe the school can

885
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,160
make a decision based on how
much experience they wanted.

886
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,240
You look at jobs now, over half
of them will just say M1 to M4

887
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,560
Ects needed because they're
cheaper, because we can't

888
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:08,800
afford.
You basically we can't afford

889
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,760
you can't afford experience to
the point where like, yeah, it's

890
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,360
not even valued anymore.
So you get.

891
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,840
To the point where you've been a
teacher like ours for 10 years

892
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,160
plus, that's where you get guilt
tripped and thought, oh gosh, I

893
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,360
need to be doing loads more jobs
to make myself viable in this

894
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,960
school now because I'm not going
to be able to move anywhere

895
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:23,840
else.
And all of those are going to

896
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,520
take me off UBS if I don't do
all this extra stuff.

897
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,040
That's where academies and
trusts and people from the top

898
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,920
down can really exploit
experienced stuff, overwork

899
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,040
them, burn them out, squeeze
them for as much as they can

900
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,080
whilst they're selling in the
school and then guess what, when

901
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,320
they quit replacing with
someone.

902
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,760
Is 15 grand a month cheaper?
Woohoo Yeah 15.

903
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,200
Grand a month?
Crikey, that's a lot of money to

904
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,120
my 15.
Grand a month?

905
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,800
Hang on a minute, how much you
been earning this job?

906
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,040
I'm actually staying and
teaching.

907
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Yeah, crikey.
Do you know one thing I want to

908
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,600
come back on as well?
Because I think I can imagine it

909
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,320
left thoughts of people's head
is when you were talking about

910
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,400
kind of like the the big why,
right?

911
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,240
Why you, why you're going to do
it.

912
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,640
And you were talking about your
son and that flexibility.

913
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,440
You want to have that time at
home with him rather than being

914
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,800
in this job.
But there's no flexibility and

915
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,720
you're going to miss out on
stuff.

916
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,440
It kind of gave the impression
that you're going to quit

917
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440
teaching and just sit around at
home and what are you like, live

918
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,440
off the millions?
Yeah, hang on a minute.

919
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
Because teaching is.
So bloody lovely, so amazing.

920
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Yeah, you're.
Going to just live off your your

921
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,200
pension part 3231, however old
you are.

922
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,720
I don't know, but really let's
just talk about then like what

923
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,680
are we going to do?
Like our plans, You know, first

924
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,120
of all, like if you've been
listening to this for a long

925
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000
time, you'll know, you'll know
that we went part time because

926
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,240
we have a tutoring company.
So obviously we have another

927
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,360
income stream there because
that's the reason we went part

928
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,280
time in the 1st place.
So that is going to be helping

929
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,760
keep us afloat massively.
And we're going to continue to

930
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,680
try and expand and grow that
tutoring and and just put more

931
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,800
of our thought and effort into
that.

932
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,000
But it's not anything we're
going to do.

933
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Dylan, do you want to talk about
some of our other?

934
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200
Yeah, yeah, I just.
Want to clarify that tutoring

935
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,360
thing as well, because I think a
lot of people were listening,

936
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,560
going well, I'm thinking of
leaving teaching and I don't

937
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,520
have anything to fall back on.
And I wish I could.

938
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,600
And what I would say to you is
this is not a Willy nilly quit

939
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,600
that we we don't just thought
on.

940
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,840
Yeah, let's just quit.
It's fine.

941
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,480
We have meticulously over years
put, you know, extra work into

942
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,280
growing something to be able to
be in this position.

943
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,760
OK.
And you might be in a position

944
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,640
where you quit because you're
going to find a different job.

945
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,240
We're in a position where we've
built something up.

946
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,920
The tutoring from the numbers
we've run and how we built it up

947
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,520
should hopefully, you know, we
can survive.

948
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,280
Yeah.
OK.

949
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,360
So then it's a pay.
Cut, but we can, of course.

950
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,480
It's a pay cut because currently
we're doing the tutoring and

951
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,560
when we're teaching, but the
time's going to be the pay off.

952
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200
But if we can cover our
mortgages and survive, that's

953
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,400
all good.
So that's the first thing I say.

954
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,840
If you're thinking of teaching,
just think about what kind of

955
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920
side bits you can do just to
boost yourself that you have

956
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000
control over because I think
that's really, really powerful.

957
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,480
A huge thing for me, and this
links back with the fact that I,

958
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,200
I love teaching so much, is that
I'm very passionate about this.

959
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,000
I'm going to sign up to do some
kind of supply.

960
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,280
Now, we've talked about it a lot
in terms of the benefits of

961
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,480
signing up for a supply company
when they take a certain

962
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,040
percentage of the profits.
I saw the stats again, it was,

963
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,880
it was crazy.
I'm going to say the stats from

964
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,360
the average for secondary
school, because this was the

965
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,440
biggest gap was schools are on
average paying about ��290.00 a

966
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,040
day for for supply.
But a teacher's average take as

967
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,600
a supply teacher in a second in
a secondary school was about 140

968
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,240
lbs.
So it really was double.

969
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,120
Yeah, it really was like a 50%
cut.

970
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,840
And there'll be lots of reasons
why supply companies try and

971
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920
justify with it.
I just think that's incredibly

972
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
like for for the for the job of
the person doing the day's

973
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,080
teaching and the job of the
person finding someone to do the

974
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,600
day's teaching.
They're not equal, are they?

975
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,920
There can't.
Be there's got to be, there's

976
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,120
got to be a better system there
out there.

977
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,840
So I don't.
Know if I will sign up to a

978
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,240
company, but what I will
definitely do is get the

979
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,360
enhanced DBS check get my name
out there move schools and just

980
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,760
say look, if you're looking for
any kind of cover, maybe we

981
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,000
could do it even together and
just say a little bit hit hit

982
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920
one of us up or e-mail this and
we'll have maybe we can do you

983
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,120
know what I've been thinking
about a lot and this is just ad

984
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Lib now on this podcast is
thinking about just getting some

985
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,760
other contacts for a list and
instead of signing up and you

986
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,880
know a company where they've got
1000 teachers and obviously

987
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,560
they'll find someone if we can
somehow find, you know a group

988
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,560
of a group of 678 teachers who
are quite local in our area and

989
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,840
just say like what will come
through US?

990
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320
I'm not going to take a cut.
This is just a lot of us would.

991
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,800
If me and you.
Can't do it.

992
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,800
Would you just quickly send out
a WhatsApp in the morning or

993
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,480
something?
But I, I think there's a way

994
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,720
round where then I can actually
get paid for my day's work that

995
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,560
school is paying.
I think cutting out that

996
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,320
middleman, I get why that
middleman exists at ease, mainly

997
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,480
from the school's point of view.
But, you know, I really want to

998
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,520
do supply.
Yeah, yeah.

999
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,360
And.
Ultimately, like I'm, I'm the

1000
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,320
same.
Like we've obviously talked

1001
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,040
about doing supply before we
ever agreed that was a good

1002
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,560
option because I just thought
because I, I don't, I don't want

1003
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,640
to be out of the classroom.
I will, I will miss the kids.

1004
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,800
I know it like I haven't done
this job for 10 years and put up

1005
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,200
with some of the stuff that I
hate for so long.

1006
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,040
We still will be.
Teaching.

1007
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,520
Yeah, like.
Realistically, and we said all

1008
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,920
this like, yeah, I'm going to
try and be in the classroom

1009
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,640
still, but we are quitting.
We are quitting classroom

1010
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,520
teaching and we are buying back
that complete freedom of our

1011
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,560
time.
Ultimately, if I don't want to

1012
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,200
do supply for a month, I'm not
doing supply for a month.

1013
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,440
So that's the freedom I'm
getting there to continue, you

1014
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,560
know, expanding our choosing
company.

1015
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360
And do you know what, I'm not
going to go into the details of

1016
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,440
it right now because even we, we
don't really know exactly yet,

1017
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,640
but we are sticking around in
education like we are not, we're

1018
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,120
not going to go off into a
different industry here.

1019
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,400
Like that is not our plan.
Our master plan here is very

1020
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,640
much to be working full time
across our different ventures

1021
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,640
within education, whether it's
Ed tech or curriculum stuff or

1022
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,760
supply or whatever it is like
we're going to be staying in

1023
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,160
education.
And of course, this podcast.

1024
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,160
That's a big one, you know.
I think.

1025
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,400
I think.
We should just take a minute to

1026
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
reflect on and people listening
who've got this far.

1027
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,840
You know, I think probably the
reason we're even in this

1028
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,280
position right now to be so
confident we can quit teaching

1029
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,200
is because of this podcast is
because of what we've built on

1030
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,560
social media is because of the,
you know, the amazing people

1031
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600
we've met throughout our whole
journey of building this podcast

1032
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,800
up from literally nothing.
And I know I say this a lot

1033
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,640
because, but it's because I'm
really quite proud of it is you

1034
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000
get a lot of people who do
amazing work on social media,

1035
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,920
lots of kind of educational
stuff that they post and they do

1036
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,720
unbelievable work and they build
up a, a community around, you

1037
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,080
know, a day in the life of a
teacher or these, these, you

1038
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,240
know, websites that are really
cool to use, etcetera.

1039
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,560
And then those people kind of
get to that point and they

1040
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,320
think, well, what else can I do?
And they'll start a podcast

1041
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,200
maybe, and, and they'll have a
bunch of big followers maybe,

1042
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,400
and they'll, they'll just start
their podcast up from there.

1043
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,360
That what I'm really proud of is
that we started this podcast

1044
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,720
with nothing.
We, we had nothing.

1045
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,360
We did, we did nothing and we
just had this passion and desire

1046
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,920
and love of this job of
teaching, which is still there,

1047
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,240
We still love this job so much.
But this, this see people around

1048
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,800
us burnt out and completely
ruined from this job.

1049
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,600
And I was just fed up with it.
And I, I love how many people we

1050
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,880
have now reached through social
media, through being passionate

1051
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,560
about education, through doing
this podcast for 2 1/2 years at

1052
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,640
this point.
And it is because of all of

1053
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,200
those people and the confidence
we have and the love we get from

1054
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,360
you guys, which you know, you,
you messaging us saying you

1055
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,920
helped me, you, you've made me
have more time with my son.

1056
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880
You let me stand up to SLT when
I knew they were wrong.

1057
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,840
You gave me the confidence to do
something.

1058
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,520
And we know that we can continue
to do that and, and expanding

1059
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,560
this podcast and continue
because this podcast is going

1060
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,920
nowhere.
Guys, we're going to carry on

1061
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,520
saying what we need to say for
education.

1062
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,200
We're going to be in the
classroom still.

1063
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,160
We're going to have your back.
We're going to be the people who

1064
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,160
can speak out for teachers all
the time and, and just be behind

1065
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,560
them and help them as much as
possible.

1066
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,320
So we want to do more.
I mean, again, like you said,

1067
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Hayden, we haven't actually
fully decided exactly, exactly

1068
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,440
the avenues we're going to go
down.

1069
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,080
But there's going to be more
series that we're going to do.

1070
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,080
There's going to be there's
going to be extra things that we

1071
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,240
put in place to get content out
there for you guys.

1072
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,120
I want to.
Use my time to do realistically

1073
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:18,640
why I started this podcast with
you.

1074
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,680
And it was very much your
passion.

1075
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,200
When we started this, you were
the one that was like

1076
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,120
spearheading like, come on,
let's do this podcast.

1077
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,440
And for me, I was like, OK, I
need to find like a purpose for

1078
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,520
this as well.
I'm not just going to do it

1079
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,440
winning the images for a laugh.
Like it needs to be something to

1080
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,960
me as well.
And to me, it was about being

1081
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,640
the voice.
Like I was like, OK, I'll speak

1082
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,400
out then about things that maybe
people feel awkward about.

1083
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,480
I'll speak out about the
troubles and education that

1084
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,720
maybe people don't know about,
and we'll try and reach as many

1085
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,280
people as possible.
And I just want to be a voice

1086
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640
for people in education, kind of
like what you were saying.

1087
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,440
So for me, whatever we do with
this podcast, any expansion that

1088
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,960
comes, it doesn't matter if I'm
in the classroom one day a week,

1089
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,880
three days a week or five days a
week or one day a month,

1090
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,280
honestly, because we're going to
continue talking to teachers,

1091
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,520
continue talking to people
working in education in general.

1092
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,800
And we're going to be that
voice.

1093
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,240
And with my free time that we're
going to get from this, I'm

1094
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,400
going to be pushing that
narrative out harder than ever

1095
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,520
before because I still, I'm not
going away from education,

1096
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,880
neither are you.
Like, we're still going to be

1097
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,720
here.
We're just not going to be

1098
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,240
spending three days a week in
the classroom.

1099
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,240
We'll be that voice and we'll
and we'll make your voices very

1100
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,600
clear.
So keep running to us.

1101
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,040
So to.
To round this off, I guess just

1102
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,880
chat about why we're quitting,
etcetera, because we'll have a

1103
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400
little bit of something else in
a second for the let's finish

1104
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,520
off this podcast.
But basically what I want you to

1105
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,280
do now is people have listened
to this, people have clicked on

1106
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,200
it.
We're leaving teaching.

1107
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,320
Here's why, here's what we're
doing.

1108
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Someone out there now listening
is thinking, wow, they've done

1109
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,280
it.
They've quit teaching.

1110
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:40,440
I wonder if I should, what would
you say to someone that they

1111
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,520
should be thinking and having a
thought train of when coming to

1112
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,160
a conclusion whether they should
continue teaching or stop?

1113
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,840
What would you say to that
person?

1114
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Where's your line?
I, I, I spoke earlier about my

1115
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,680
line.
I, I, what I can't tell you is,

1116
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,200
is exactly the criteria at which
point you have to say, Oh yes,

1117
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,760
now I'm quitting.
It is totally subjective,

1118
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,120
completely up to you.
Where's your line?

1119
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,680
There was a line for me where
the cons outweigh the pros.

1120
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,240
My cons might be different to
your cons.

1121
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:10,480
My pros might be different to
your pros.

1122
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,200
But there was a point where that
happened.

1123
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,320
Firstly, I also didn't do it
immediately.

1124
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,960
I did spend a quite a lot of
time I said and said, you know,

1125
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,920
we didn't talk about it much in
this podcast because we kind of

1126
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,000
wanted to leave it until we've
actually decided whether or not

1127
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,840
we're you're gonna do it and.
We, we honestly basically did do

1128
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,080
all that discussion on the
podcast pretty much just in a

1129
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,840
way where that's what a lot of
people are talking about.

1130
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,440
That is quite.
Funny.

1131
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Yeah, it moulded a lot.
Of our opinions, didn't it?

1132
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,800
Our our minds have been like
completely unfiltered out on

1133
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,680
this podcast.
So you like, there's no fake in

1134
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,320
it.
Everything we say is is on here.

1135
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
But yeah, find your line.
That's my advice anyway.

1136
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,840
Find your line and really sit
down and think about the pros

1137
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,280
and cons and the whole wider
side of life as well Enough for

1138
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,560
Dylan.
The huge part was one of the

1139
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,400
massive pros was he gets to
spend time for his son who's

1140
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,200
only this age once.
This could be a different

1141
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,440
conversation if it was in six
years time and your son is just

1142
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,040
at school anyway.
Like that might not be a bigger

1143
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,440
a bigger factor for you and it
might change your whole opinion.

1144
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,080
So think about that for
yourself.

1145
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,600
That'd be me.
Did you want to add anything to

1146
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,520
that?
I think.

1147
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,320
I think if I'm talking to
someone who's thinking about

1148
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,040
quitting, what I would say to
what I'd say to you is run the

1149
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,080
numbers.
This is so important and a lot

1150
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,000
of people, again, kind of they
don't live life blase because

1151
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,280
we're a lot of people are living
paycheck to paycheck, etcetera

1152
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,880
like that.
But what I'm saying run the

1153
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,840
numbers really carefully and and
really think about what your

1154
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,240
minimum level you can drop to is
really, really look at what your

1155
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,960
rent monthly payments or your
remortgage.

1156
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,480
Your remortgage is coming up.
What's it going to go to?

1157
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Look at how much money you need
to live and survive and then

1158
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,160
add, I would say 30% on top of
that and just say, OK, that is

1159
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,840
my bare minimum in my household.
How can I reach that bare

1160
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,320
minimum?
If I can't reach that bare

1161
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,920
minimum through quitting
teaching, I need to be working

1162
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,800
on that as I'm still teaching.
Yeah, absolutely.

1163
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,280
Right.
And if.

1164
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,880
My aim is to quit teaching.
There's your goal.

1165
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,040
Have a goal.
What you can't do is just think,

1166
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,160
oh, well, I can't get there.
I'll just hope one day I can,

1167
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,480
because I tell you now, you
won't.

1168
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,280
The way teaching is funded and
the way our pay has been

1169
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,520
squeezed over and over again and
the way inflation is going and

1170
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,640
interest rates, etcetera, you
will not end up leaving

1171
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,480
teaching.
You have to have an actionable

1172
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,240
plan.
So go away, run your numbers,

1173
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,920
see what your baseline is.
I think it's called pit Pony

1174
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,240
method if you want to search
that.

1175
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,360
It basically works out what your
absolute minimum actually is

1176
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,760
because for a lot of people, you
can earn less than you think and

1177
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,640
still stay afloat and still be
OK.

1178
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
There might be some sacrifices
you make and do you know what?

1179
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,600
You might look at it and go,
well, I can quit teaching, but I

1180
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,040
have to sacrifice this part of
my life.

1181
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,400
I won't be able to go out as
much.

1182
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Do you know what the pros of
teaching outweigh the cons At

1183
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,760
that point?
I'm going to stay in teaching.

1184
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,800
You have to do what Hayden has
said.

1185
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,720
Find your line.
But I think you can only find

1186
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,360
your line when you look at the
black and white money you can

1187
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,480
actually afford to do.
And if you can't afford to do it

1188
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,640
and you really want to quit,
start doing that side hustle

1189
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,280
idea.
Start doing a bit of tutoring on

1190
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,240
the side and start getting your
CV up on jobs, online, on

1191
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,600
Indeed, go on LinkedIn.
Put yourself out there because

1192
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,640
you won't regret it.
If you want to quit teaching,

1193
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,720
don't think that it will just
happen.

1194
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,080
You have to just do it.
And when people look at us and

1195
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,360
the things we've achieved and
the things we've done, and if

1196
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,400
ever anyone tries to belittle it
by saying, Oh yeah, well,

1197
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,640
anyone, anyone could have done
that, my response is always,

1198
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,520
yeah, but I did and you didn't.
And that is it.

1199
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,800
Just lucky.
You've got to try.

1200
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,760
You're just lucky.
Do you know what?

1201
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,040
I am lucky.
I want to talk.

1202
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,120
This kind of winds me up a
little bit because I am lucky

1203
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,360
and I'm never, ever going to
turn into that person.

1204
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Like you see millionaires who
say how did you get that hard

1205
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,840
work?
No, no, you were lucky as well.

1206
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,640
You were very, very lucky.
Almost always.

1207
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,120
You, you're lucky for a reason.
And you seem to be a bit self

1208
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,680
respected there and say, yeah, I
was lucky.

1209
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,320
But you know, but I worked hard.
I gave myself the opportunity to

1210
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,760
be lucky.
Give yourself the opportunity to

1211
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,520
be lucky.
I applied to a gun who wants to

1212
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480
be a millionaire 7 times.
I got rejected 6 times, finally

1213
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,280
got on it, want some money.
Very, very, very lucky.

1214
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,800
But I could have stopped after
12345.

1215
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920
I could have stopped and said,
oh, it's not for me, I can't do

1216
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,520
it.
Yeah, no doing it.

1217
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Yeah, I mean.
Similar to our children company,

1218
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,320
it's seven years old now.
Sometimes I forget to mention

1219
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,520
how long last.
We started our children company

1220
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,200
7 years ago, two years into
teaching.

1221
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:06,800
Yeah, exactly 2 years for
teaching.

1222
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,000
So it's taking every year for
me.

1223
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,120
So it's taking a long time to
build the position it's in and

1224
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960
it's still not done.
Like I said, it's still going to

1225
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,480
be like a risk, risk as
sacrifice to our salaries to to

1226
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,800
drop to drop down to that
amount.

1227
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,760
But yeah, I like how I kind of
went down the emotional route

1228
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,360
there.
Find your line.

1229
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,440
You went down a very logical
path there and it was good.

1230
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,120
I think a bit of a bit of all of
that.

1231
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,040
It's probably how we've come to
good conclusions together

1232
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,240
because we've kind of done that
thought process between us.

1233
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,160
I think you've got to do.
Both you've got to do both and I

1234
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,960
think you can only do the
emotional one if you have your

1235
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,680
black and white.
If you go down the emotional

1236
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,360
route too early, you might just
be like, right, I'm quitting.

1237
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Put my hand noticing I oh gosh,
I'm done my numbers.

1238
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,120
This isn't going to work.
I can't do it.

1239
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,520
You have to do your numbers.
And then you can be emotional

1240
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,440
and let that kind of lead
yourself, definitely, but do it

1241
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,240
in the parameters of your
current situation.

1242
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,840
Hayden's right.
We can't tell you.

1243
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,920
You have to work that out
yourself.

1244
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,040
All right, Dylan, just before we
finish up this episode, I want

1245
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,880
to ask you one question.
You might think it's quite

1246
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,520
funny, given the context of the
last 50 minutes of this episode.

1247
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,800
Do I want air?
Conditioning in this room?

1248
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,840
Yes, I'm like please.
I'll tell you what, that

1249
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120
classroom I worked in I told you
about was hotter than this.

1250
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,400
Really.
So much.

1251
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,800
OK, Well, yeah, that's just just
saying because I.

1252
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,760
Feel like I've lost 7 litres of
water.

1253
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,280
Yeah, you're.
Going to be very thirsty but

1254
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,280
here we go.
Someone asked me recently, would

1255
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,480
you recommend teaching to a
friend?

1256
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,680
And for full context, this
person is close to me, knew I

1257
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080
was, knew I was quitting.
So they were kind of asking me

1258
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,360
with that, with that in mind,
which is why I'm going to now

1259
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,800
pass it over to you.
With that in mind, would you

1260
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:34,640
recommend teaching to a friend?
This is a really hard question.

1261
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
We've touched on this before.
Would I recommend teaching to a

1262
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,760
friend?
Blanket friend?

1263
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,120
I don't know blanket answers in
I don't they don't have a prep.

1264
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,360
They don't want to.
They're just thinking.

1265
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,360
Would you recommend it?
Yeah, no.

1266
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:54,720
OK friend who I think has the
profile that matches the best

1267
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,680
things about the job.
Even though I'm quitting and I

1268
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,880
feel like I profile the best
things about the job, what I

1269
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,840
like, so I know that I'm ending
up quitting, I would still

1270
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,440
recommend it to that person.
So I hope that makes sense.

1271
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,760
If I think that person has the
right profile to enjoy the

1272
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,880
amazing bits about teaching, I
think it's worth doing to a

1273
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,120
certain degree, yeah, to a
certain level, for a few years

1274
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,800
at least.
But if I was just saying blanket

1275
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,400
to someone, one of my mates who
is just random thinking, Oh

1276
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,760
well, I don't want career to go
down, I wouldn't go to it

1277
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,200
immediately.
It's like, well, you have to do

1278
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,000
this.
Yeah, yeah.

1279
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,840
Someone who's thinking I've got
these five options, I might

1280
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,400
consider that one.
And you can see the other

1281
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,600
options.
You probably just say like, no,

1282
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:32,800
don't do that.
Go and do one of these other

1283
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,040
things you're interested in.
Yeah, I guess an interesting way

1284
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,960
to explore the idea that you can
say that whilst also just

1285
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,840
spending 50 minutes saying
you're quitting teaching, right?

1286
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Because I can see that the the
irony there is you're in a

1287
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,880
different position to right now
to where you were nine years ago

1288
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,200
and you started.
So if you could go back in time

1289
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,800
and you're your own friend, your
only friend, which is real, if

1290
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,840
you could go back in time and
speak to Dylan nine years ago as

1291
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,680
you now, Dylan, who was
passionate, like about to go

1292
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,160
into teaching, he loves the idea
of teaching.

1293
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Would you try and steer him away
from it or would you still

1294
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,240
recommend that older Dylan?
Yeah, you should go into

1295
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:06,120
teaching.
I'd probably.

1296
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,600
Say, mate, ditch the tie.
Makes no difference to your

1297
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,080
teaching.
Don't worry about wearing that.

1298
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,360
Yeah, don't.
Don't wear a full suit.

1299
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,400
Don't buddy up.
With this guy I.

1300
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,800
I see, OK, this is a great, this
is a great question now and I

1301
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,480
love people's thoughts about
being hypocritical.

1302
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,440
I don't think I would change my
career path because do you know

1303
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,440
what?
And then another reason why I'm

1304
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,760
so excited by moving on to
different things is it's still

1305
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,920
in education.
And I don't think I'd be in a

1306
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,240
situation right now where I feel
like I can still have a massive

1307
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,120
impact on the education world if
I hadn't done teaching for that

1308
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,280
long.
So do you know what, if

1309
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,760
anything, maybe do you know what
maybe I would say to myself is

1310
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,760
when COVID came around, quit.
Do your four or five years,

1311
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:47,240
maybe I would say to myself, you
could have quit sooner.

1312
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,720
Maybe I could have said it to
myself and maybe I could have

1313
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,440
quit before I had my my son
because I think my partner

1314
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,600
falling pregnant and knowing
that Rory was on the way.

1315
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,720
Definitely, definitely,
definitely, definitely at that

1316
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,000
point made me think, oh, OK,
look, I'll just stay for a year

1317
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,320
or two then because I've got a
son on the way and this is the

1318
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,400
security that I need.
So maybe a couple of years

1319
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,920
beforehand, maybe leave this,
leave a bit earlier maybe.

1320
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Potentially, I don't know.
I reckon you give yourself more

1321
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,640
credit, I think.
I think you did the right thing

1322
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,360
at the time your line moved
because you were having a child.

1323
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,560
That's a huge, that's a huge
thing.

1324
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,720
And your line just moved.
And it's OK to say that, like

1325
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,360
we're saying to other people,
consider everything.

1326
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,440
No, I considered everything.
Yeah, I suppose.

1327
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,880
I'm saying I think I did the
right thing at the minute, but

1328
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,320
leave two years before that,
Right.

1329
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,680
So like, you know when, when it
was 2-3 years?

1330
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,240
Yeah, right before we even
thinking about having children.

1331
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:30,720
Yeah.
At that point, I could have quit

1332
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,080
and tried something.
But you know what?

1333
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,320
If I look back, look at the
situation I'm in now, we've

1334
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,720
built this podcast.
This podcast took 2 1/2 years

1335
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,080
for us to get this point that I
think everything, you know, has

1336
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,400
led to this point where I, I
can't really look back and say,

1337
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,040
oh, well, I could have done that
differently because I don't know

1338
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:45,760
what have happened.
Yeah.

1339
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,480
You wouldn't be here right now.
I might have a different job in

1340
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,000
education, not even in
education.

1341
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,680
And I might have hated that job.
And I might have gone back to

1342
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,880
teaching and not slowly built up
everything else and been in a

1343
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,360
situation where I'm stuck as a
classroom teacher or having to

1344
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,520
move up and do year group leader
and taking all my time away.

1345
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:01,440
So do you know what?
I'd go back to myself and I'd

1346
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,280
say no, Keep it the same.
Keep it the same.

1347
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,240
Same.
Yeah.

1348
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,680
I don't regret any of my like
career moves and decisions in

1349
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,720
all honesty.
Like I don't regret having ten

1350
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,640
years in in this career.
I've loved this career.

1351
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,120
I've loved so much about this
job.

1352
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,680
I hope, I hope that's come
across quite clear in this

1353
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,520
because it could maybe see been
seen as quite negative, but I've

1354
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,960
loved it and I wouldn't change a
thing.

1355
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,280
I just think the right move for
me now, it's like a chess game.

1356
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,000
It's just the right move for me
now is to come out of the castle

1357
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,320
for lots of different reasons.
The castle, but do it wrong.

1358
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,000
Can't use it as a Knight Queen's
Gambit.

1359
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,440
Yeah, Rook to 85 could show
that.

1360
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,440
Yeah.
Never was it, but would you?

1361
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,120
So would you?
What would you say to a friend?

1362
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,040
Because I would have
reservations.

1363
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,080
OK, here.
OK, here's the big question.

1364
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,000
Would you, would you be
disappointed, happy, neutral?

1365
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,840
What would your reaction be if
River, as she grew up River got

1366
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,840
to 1516 doing her options, she
said.

1367
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,240
Do you know what that I think?
I think I'm going to go into

1368
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,840
teaching.
I don't think my opinion really

1369
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,480
changes if it's River or not, in
all honesty.

1370
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,160
I think I'm quite objective with
this, which is fairly similar to

1371
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,800
yours, which is if I looked at
River when she was 15 and

1372
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,200
knowing what teaching was like,
maybe it's changed then probably

1373
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,640
not worse.
Yeah, worse.

1374
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,600
And I looked at her and I
thought, yeah, you're absolutely

1375
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,320
suited for that.
You know, you remind me of a

1376
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,560
young me and I was super
passionate.

1377
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,720
And I tell you what, I
absolutely loved those first

1378
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,160
years of my career in terms of
there were some drawbacks in

1379
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,000
terms of, you know, toxicity in
schools I worked in.

1380
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480
But I loved the the I loved my
job like I massively loved and

1381
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800
lived and breathed it.
If I looked at her and she and I

1382
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,600
thought, yeah, she's got the
right sort of skill set.

1383
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,480
She's in the right idea there.
Like she's definitely built for

1384
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,920
this kind of job.
I'd be like, yeah, go for it.

1385
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,840
But if I looked at her and I and
I and I thought, I was worried

1386
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,480
thinking she's being naive and
this is totally not the kind of

1387
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,880
skill set.
Like she's been building up this

1388
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,920
other skill set, which is
perfect for these other things.

1389
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,840
And teaching is not going to be
it.

1390
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,960
And she can have a horrible
time.

1391
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,680
I might, I'm disappointed, but I
might just try and would you be?

1392
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,200
Wise.
I'd be wise and just try to put

1393
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,840
all the facts out there and be
like this is you might

1394
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,280
experience this, this is this
and I probably in my head be

1395
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,440
worried that she's gonna do
something that could be really

1396
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,680
bad.
But you know, I mean, that's my

1397
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,360
answer to that one.
But going back to just a friend

1398
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,000
in general, yes, same as you.
I think if if it looks like a

1399
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,880
career they'll enjoy, I'd
absolutely recommend it.

1400
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,600
So I guess I want to make it
really clear that our answers

1401
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,080
aren't no, yeah, we're not just
blanketing.

1402
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,800
We're not allowed now.
Like taking the high horses.

1403
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,480
No, I'm now quitting teaching.
So I think everyone is a stupid

1404
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,680
career choice.
Not amazing.

1405
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,640
Absolutely not.
It's a fantastic career choice

1406
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,240
to make.
It still is a fantastic career

1407
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,880
choice to make, just not for me.
Yeah.

1408
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,080
And if you've got that profile,
like you said there, I see so

1409
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,160
many and I love that we have so
many Ects who listen to this

1410
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:30,520
podcast and seem to get so much
out of it because I just, that

1411
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,240
doesn't change in me, you know,
like I, I love being with the

1412
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,120
children and teaching them
because I love helping them and

1413
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,560
moulding them.
I love the idea of people

1414
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,840
listening to this right now who
are earlier on in their career

1415
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,960
who want some help navigating
teaching.

1416
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,200
And I want to be that voice for
them.

1417
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,680
I want to help them stay in a
bit longer, even if it's an

1418
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,400
extra 234 years, even if they
stay nine years instead of six

1419
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,800
years, even if they stay five
years instead of two years,

1420
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,640
whatever it might be.
And they still enjoy themselves

1421
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,920
and they still get the amazing
parts of this job, which are the

1422
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,520
best things in the world because
they've listened to what we've

1423
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,640
said or other people people have
said about bending this off

1424
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,480
because it doesn't matter or
standing up for themselves.

1425
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,280
That is such a win, not only for
them, but for the children who

1426
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640
they get to teach as well.
That's why I'm so passionate

1427
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,400
because I want to help people.
I fundamentally.

1428
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,400
So I read, I got a book about
Stoicism.

1429
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,720
OK, so I'm a bit going from my
Stoic phase right now.

1430
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,120
So anyone who doesn't know what
Stoicism is, look it up.

1431
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,920
It's like a old philosophy.
It's this idea of you're in,

1432
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,880
you're in charge of yourself and
external factors are hard to

1433
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,840
control.
And if you chase trying to

1434
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,600
change things, you can't change.
You just lead into a life cycle

1435
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,880
of just anger and, and, and bad
habits and disresentment, right?

1436
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,520
So, and, and, and you know,
listen to the podcast.

1437
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,560
You know that we need that
sometimes.

1438
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:39,720
We're talking about a machine
here.

1439
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,880
It's like it's hard to actually
influence when it, when it comes

1440
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:49,160
to that kind of idea of being in
control of what you can do that

1441
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,920
I think, I think there's so much
we can take from teachers in

1442
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,160
that respect of that helped me
get another 2-3, four years out

1443
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,200
of my career knowing what I'm in
control over and being able to

1444
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,720
say, OK, look, I'm not in
control of that, but I'm going

1445
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:05,720
to enjoy and do what I can do.
And a big thing of stoicism, a

1446
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:07,720
huge question.
And I'd love everyone who's

1447
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,400
listening to ask themselves this
question.

1448
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,720
And I want you to think about
this as well.

1449
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:12,640
Maybe we'll come back to it in
the future because it's not

1450
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,720
something you can answer easily.
It sounds like a basic question,

1451
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,360
but the question is, who are
you?

1452
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,120
Who are you?
You know, don't, don't just say

1453
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,760
I'm a, you know, I'm a dog mum,
I'm a teacher.

1454
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,320
I'm a, I'm a, I'm a job.
I'm a, you know, caps

1455
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,080
dysfunction in this gear of
society.

1456
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,400
Who are you?
Essentially?

1457
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,120
What do you want to be defined
by?

1458
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,640
What are your goals?
What do you want to do and

1459
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,640
achieve in life?
What do you want to be known

1460
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,280
for?
Who are you?

1461
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,360
And I've really been thinking
about this question and I've a

1462
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,360
look at the things that I get
the most joy out of and what I

1463
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,840
can control role it is helping
other people.

1464
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,840
It it it comes down to that.
And like this, and like we

1465
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,040
always said, this act of service
and doing things for someone

1466
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,920
else and this idea of it's
always feels better to do and

1467
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,200
give than it should be to
receive.

1468
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,840
And I'm guilty of wanting to
receive things and seeing value

1469
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,880
in stuff that doesn't have
value.

1470
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,280
Ultimately, who are you?
Like, what do you want to be

1471
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,400
known for?
And I think the reason why you

1472
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,480
and I and other people who I see
this kind of profile in and why

1473
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,520
I'd say to them going to
teaching is if you have that

1474
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,600
ultimate desire to give to other
people and to help them and to

1475
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,560
improve them through what you
can control.

1476
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,280
Teaching's the best job in the
world.

1477
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,600
And if you can have that stoic
attitude of I can control what I

1478
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,520
can control, and I'm OK with the
fact that I can't control other

1479
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,240
things.
And if you can get over the fact

1480
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,400
that that can be heart wrenching
to see kids not getting what

1481
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,320
they need.
And it is true that is not nice.

1482
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,360
And you don't have to think it's
nice, but you just have to

1483
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,640
realise you can't control that.
So control what you can give to

1484
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,800
the right people in our society
to help them and ignore the

1485
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,040
noise.
It it can be the best job in the

1486
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,560
world.
I've just got to the point now

1487
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,240
where I've done that enough.
I need to remove myself because

1488
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,520
I'm finding it tricky to do.
Yeah, that's.

1489
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,720
Brilliant.
I think at the point of the

1490
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,800
podcast now where we can say
we're transitioning into a

1491
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,520
philosophy no longer, I didn't
want to interrupt you at all

1492
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,440
because I had a few think I was
going to take the mic at one

1493
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,240
point.
I thought, you know, actually

1494
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,360
you're making a genuinely
really, really, really good

1495
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,600
point.
And I think, yeah, I want to

1496
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,000
reflect on that.
I'm going to go and think about

1497
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:15,520
that.
Like who?

1498
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,080
Who am I at that deepest level?
You're right.

1499
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,000
It's so easy to be superficial
and answer, but who are you?

1500
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,920
Maybe.
Who are you?

1501
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,440
Who am I?
Who want to be and I think yeah,

1502
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,760
that drives me it drives you as
well.

1503
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,680
We have these conversations a
lot, you know in within the

1504
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,360
parameters of that question, I
think, but we're not going

1505
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,600
anywhere.
I think that's really, I just

1506
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,200
want to finish up by saying and
making it extremely clear that

1507
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,720
yeah, we we run a podcast called
Teach sleep, repeat and I'll

1508
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,760
still be sleeping.
I I'll be repeating that.

1509
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Actually.
We want a really conscious and

1510
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,920
we are going.
To teach them and I and I.

1511
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,040
Get exactly we're still going to
be in classes and we're still

1512
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,600
going to be in education.
I want to make that really

1513
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,000
clear.
Like this isn't the end.

1514
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,840
If anything, honestly, we are
going to it's just going to get,

1515
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,120
we're going to go harder.
And you know what?

1516
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,160
I.
Generally I I want and maybe

1517
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,680
need is.
If listeners have got this far,

1518
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,560
can you just send us a message?
Can you just let us have we

1519
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,480
achieved some of the things
we've sought to achieve?

1520
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,440
Do you feel heard?
Do you enjoy what you hear?

1521
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:07,960
What do you want to hear more
of?

1522
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,240
What can we do to help?
Because we've got a lot of.

1523
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,600
Time to kill.
We've got a serious amount of

1524
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,520
time to fill up, so if you could
just give us some ideas.

1525
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:16,680
I'll tell you what mate.
Well, do you know?

1526
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,800
What?
We've got some holidays coming

1527
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,920
up and I keep saying, oh, in the
summer we'll have time to fit

1528
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,880
this in.
And then I suddenly remember,

1529
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,000
no, no, that's it though.
Yeah, we don't, we don't go back

1530
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,120
in September.
Yeah, that carries.

1531
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,320
On we also teach you how you
know.

1532
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,320
Time for us and we want to make
a change we want to serve

1533
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,920
people.
We want to help you help us help

1534
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,200
you get in touch give us
prompts, give us ideas because

1535
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,680
we've got a whole bunch in my
notes right now that we didn't

1536
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,000
get a chance to do today but I
keep everything guys.

1537
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,680
I really do even if we don't do
it straight away we might do it

1538
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,440
at some point and I appreciate
it yeah.

1539
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,320
Hayden, where can they find us?
They can I.

1540
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,560
Don't do this to me.
I've.

1541
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,160
Never done this.
Where can we find us on?

1542
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,680
Instagram but teach the repeat
POD.

1543
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,800
No cast.
Yep.

1544
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,360
Teacher repeat podcast.
It's got the Gmail.

1545
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,240
Is that without the pod?
TikTok at teach sleep repeat

1546
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,120
podcast.
Correct.

1547
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,000
Same thing.
E-mail and e-mail

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teachsleeprepeatpod@gmail.com.
Absolutely, I think.

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We might need to spend some of
our time, Yeah, aligning those.

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Yeah, it's quite.
Running meme that isn't it.

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And do you know what's?
Gonna really, really help us,

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especially because we won't have
a job soon, is if you just give

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us a review.
Wherever you are, guys, you're

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gonna ask for money.
Then I was like, we can't be

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snooping to this level already,
surely?

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No, just a review.
It's free massively, guys.

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That was big for us.
Let us know what you think and

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we will see you next time.
So yeah.