Ep 113: Accidental Swearing, Spelling Nightmare & The Summer Behaviour Dip!

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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Stick Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden Dylan,
Where are your arms?

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Where's the enthusiasm?
And there's been a few weeks in

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a row now where it's been
mentioned how I throw my arms

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out at the start of the podcast.
I know there were on video and

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stuff where on YouTube and
Spotify but I just felt self a

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bit conscious bit self.
Conscious.

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Oh mate, you're right.
I'm fine.

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I'm sorry.
It's OK.

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Listen, listen.
I'm over it.

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It's all good.
You can be yourself.

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I'll be a shell off myself
because of the way you treat me.

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It's fine.
It's no problem whatsoever.

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I'm.
Just going to go ahead and cut

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all the clips out of this
podcast where you've told

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everyone that you do all the
work and I'm nothing.

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I'm nothing, I'm just the Co
host.

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OK, listen went, oh, this is
something we need to mention

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because we've made our own
Instagram accounts.

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So maybe we'll actually link
this down.

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What should we do?
A bit of self promotion.

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We've made our own personal,
personal professional Instagram

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accounts.
Like how would you describe

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this?
That's because I have an

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Instagram account that's
private.

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Obviously we have the Teach the
Repeat podcast Instagram

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account, which we put loads of
stuff on.

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We've made this like kind of
middle ground where maybe some

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more personal stuff that we're
getting on with in the world of

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education, etcetera.
So I'm Mr Dot, Dylan Price, and

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you came up with a really
interesting option after you saw

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mine and you went.
For Mr Dot Hayden Stevens, OH.

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Right, exactly the same.
Yeah.

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Nice one.
Yeah.

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Well, it makes sense.
Well, I've got this nice picture

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where I've got like a cut a
picture of myself with this

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classroom background.
What did you do though?

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Are you?
Trying to expose me, I'll expose

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you.
I put another.

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I put a nice picture up as well
and didn't message me saying are

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you not going to use that one
with the background?

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OK, when you say you had a
different picture up which was

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nice, what do we, what do we
mean by nice?

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It was the same picture of me
with a different background.

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You you were like, are you going
to use the one with it that I

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made you And I was like, I
forgot you made me this one.

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Of course I will thank you for
controlling my life.

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That's.
No problem, it's just much, much

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better.
So my prediction for the next

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year is on your Instagram page,
you'll.

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Post the absolutely nothing.
Yeah.

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What?
OK, do cross posts count?

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Yeah, OK, we'll do some cross
posting.

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Do they count?
Yes, they can.

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OK.
That's fine.

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I'll be more than 0, then I'll
be more than 0 on that.

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Anyway, go and follow us, go
follow our Instagram, all that

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good stuff.
And do you know what you can do

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before we crack on with this?
You can leave us a review.

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Every time we ask, we get a big
bump in reviews and it's so

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good.
I'm so grateful.

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But then we forget to ask for a
couple of weeks and it kind of.

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Just stays the.
Same.

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So I'm doing it now.
Leave us a review on whatever

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platform you listen on.
But Tatum.

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We've chatted enough now.
Now do you know what, Dylan?

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I'm going to come back because
you kind of forgot the whole

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point here, which was you were
going to take the Mick out of me

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for writing Co host in my
biography.

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Why is that so funny?
I am a Co host of this podcast,

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right?
No, because I wrote host.

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I was ready to move on before
even getting to the point of

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that whole thing.
Yeah.

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So in my bio it says host of the
teacher CPP podcast in your bio,

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which you copied off me anyway.
Yeah, but still copied it

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incorrectly because you're Co
host.

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Modest.
So all I can think of now is

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Michael Scott and Dwight Shrew
from the obviously, yeah, I'm

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assistant regional manager.
You're assistant to the regional

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manager.
No, you're regional manager.

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I'm assistant to the region
manager.

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We were joking earlier that
you're the Co host and I'm the

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assistant to the Co host.
OK.

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And then the host has just
started that Alastair Campbell

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from that one time he was on.
I don't know.

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Yeah, replacing me.
Either way, last week was SATS.

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Let's actually talk about
something to do with Education

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Channel.
You're a Year 6 teacher.

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We talked a little bit last week
about top tips for SATS and and

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getting through the week with
the children, etcetera.

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So now it's done.
Any reflection you want to talk

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about?
Any or and also maybe a bit of a

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plug for something?
Yeah, I was going to say I'm not

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going to talk too much about the
stats.

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Firstly, the embargo has not
been lifted yet anyway, so we

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can't actually remotely talk
about the content.

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Fair enough.
And we are going to be doing an

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episode soon with the Wonderful.
Bartlett, who's been on Missy B.

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Missy B, She's been on the
podcast a few times.

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She's become a really good
friend of ours.

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I guess originally from the
podcast.

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Really.
Good friend of mine.

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Really good friend of the host.
The Co host does sometimes get

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involved in the conversations.
I'm allowed in every now and

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then, aren't I?
Chat with you guys sometime?

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Rarely, probably once or twice a
year.

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But we have got an episode
coming up with her.

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So once that embargo is lifted,
check it out.

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Because she is like the analysis
person for the Sats.

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We're going to be picking her
brain.

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She's going to be picking my
brain as a person who was

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involved in the Sats.
Dylan will sort of be around as

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well in that episode and we'll
be talking all about the Sats

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and it'll be actually, in all
seriousness, it'll be good to

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get.
It would actually be really nice

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to have three different heads
because we'll have Sophie with

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her analysis, me involved in the
Sats heavily and obviously you.

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He's completely clueless.
Completely clueless.

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But outside of the SAT, it'll be
good to have your perspective.

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On it all as well, absolutely.
I'm really looking forward to

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that.
So in general, anything that

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popped out from the week that
you wanted.

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To I've only got, I've got one
story I wanted to share with you

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and it was from SAT Suite.
But it's obviously not about the

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content.
Just gonna make that really

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clear.
So classic, classic, classic

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every single year, right?
You think it's all going

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perfectly smoothly?
Our head of year put in so much

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work to make sure that the SAS
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Everyone knows where they are.
It's already good, she.

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Does a cracking job at that.
She does a cracking job.

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She puts so much time into it,
probably more than we even

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needed, but it was there as a
safety net for all of us and it

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did make it very smooth.
However, last Test of the week,

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everything has been completely
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And one of the kids who was in
the my room of of testing fell

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off a wall at break time like 3
minutes before the SAT started

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and like really sprained her arm
or something Like she was in

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enough pain where it was enough.
Discomfort writing arm.

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Yeah, writing arm.
It was enough discomfort where

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she was like, I can't just sort
of brush this off like she was

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upset and things.
And there was just that just a

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small part of me where I was
like for, for like a split

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second.
My first thought was, Oh, no,

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that's terrible for the SATS.
And, and even, and I feel like

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I'm pretty good at at like at
just being like, this is just

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the sats.
I don't ultimately care that

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much.
I care more about the kids.

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But even just for a second, my
first thought was, Oh, no, what

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we're going to do because now
she's not going to be able to do

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her SATS exam, which is so much
more important than the fact

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that she's literally crying in
pain in front of me.

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And it did make me think, God,
it's so easy to get sucked in,

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isn't it?
To this world of, of just like

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day to 1st day-to-day to day.
These children are just numbers,

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numbers, numbers, numbers.
That's the pressure that we talk

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about a lot with the Sats that
we are critical of.

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That's in Yeah, you've, you've
summed that up perfectly because

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I was guilty of it just then.
You said she fell over and

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sprained and really hurt her
arm.

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And my first question was her
writing arm.

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Yeah, exactly what?
Like, yeah, it's so, so, so

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ingrained.
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And, you know, people might
argue, well, yeah, because

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you're thinking about the Sats
right now, but that is so true

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that.
We're I guess we're in that

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system where that ultimately is
the most important thing.

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Yeah.
And yeah, that takes a bit.

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So people sort of delivered that
first aid came in and all that.

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And they were like, we think
she's OK.

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She's a bit upset still because
it's just happened.

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But we're going to sit here and,
you know, she's coming to your

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test room anyway.
We're gonna get started.

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And I'm sort of thinking, OK,
you're kind of just leaving a

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crying, a crying child here with
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But you're saying she's all
right, you've checked it out.

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And I do trust them.
And then and then that we was,

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you know, we're getting ready to
start the test.

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And I started the timer and she
was just like, I just, she tried

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to write some stuff and she was
like, I can't do it.

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It hurts too much.
And she got upset again.

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And I was, it's like, I don't, I
did January was like for a

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second, I don't know what to do
because I've not been in this

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exact situation before.
So obviously ahead of you who's

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wonderful and has read over all
of the guide, you know,

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guidelines and all that
framework and everything knew

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exactly what to do.
It was absolutely fine.

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We took her straight out of the
room and she had a scribe.

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So we had like people on tap
you.

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Can make that choice.
You can make it, yeah, for

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emergencies you can.
Obviously you do a lot of with

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Sats, you have to do a lot of
pre work, applying for all sorts

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of things for children to have
transcribes, readers, prompts

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and all this stuff.
But there are obviously

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situations where you can write
down on a form like this

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happened in the SATS, by the
way.

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It all goes off as evidence to
show that you've done the right

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thing.
Oh no, every single child needed

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a scribe suddenly and they all
fell off the wall.

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We were doing wall climbing
before the the test and they all

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fell off.
And I accidentally pushed the

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wall really hard by accident.
Accidentally, not only people to

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scribe and do the test for them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But that's why they do, I guess,
because there is that risk,

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isn't there?
Completely a.

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Scribe.
It's so much.

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It'd be so much easier for a
scribe to underhandedly or

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really explicitly be like, oh,
you sure you think that?

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Answer, you know, not writing
something immediately when

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you're like.
Yeah, yeah, those little hints,

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but yeah.
So we she went out and had a

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scribe in a, in a, in a she
write in the area.

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She was fine, like her arm was
OK, but just I just felt so bad

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for that minute and I felt, and
I felt even more guilty that

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forever moment.
My the majority of my thought

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was not just is this child OK,
this other stuff is ultimately

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meaningless really.
But and I was more worried

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about, oh, what the sats
arrangements I need to do.

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I need to do it right so that
she can do her sats.

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We can't have her not doing her
SATS.

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She might get expected.
Be careful Hayden, because if

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this does get clipped out and
put on social media, there will

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be plenty of people lining up to
tell you how bad of a teacher

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you are for saying that the Sats
are meaningless.

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How else can they prepare?
This is the snowflake

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generation, geez.
But you know, I haven't though,

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because the other, the other
team will be saying how dare you

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not think of this child as
holistic first.

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It doesn't matter.
They were doing the Sats.

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Think of her.
It turns out putting yourself

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out there on social media, it's
just opening yourself up to a

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lot of angry people.
And it is up to you how that

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gets clipped, so I'll leave that
in your hands.

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I'm saying this, I get, I clip
this thing and I get all these

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comments.
I'll clip it.

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I'll do it again.
Yeah, I'll do it again.

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Yeah, you'll clip it.
But anyway, other than that,

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like Sats was all cool.
It was a really, it was

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genuinely, other than that, a
really smooth week.

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The kids seemed cool.
We did Breakfast Club in the

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morning where they had them out.
They were happy.

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I honestly, my role in Breakfast
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jester.
I was basically just going

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around to the classes with other
staff, like on toast and other

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staff like giving drinks out and
I was just walking around trying

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to make the kids smile and make
them laugh and point.

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I could pick out those few kids.
I could just tell they're

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feeling anxious.
And you made it worse for them.

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Made it much worse.
Oh.

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God, this teacher's in my face
constantly.

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Yeah, You feeling anxious?
You feeling anxious about this

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test?
Watch me juggle that one is.

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You're trying to revise?
No, Yeah.

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And that was just my role really
for the first few.

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Days, but you play the jester
card.

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Test the card and I think, you
know, that's what they needed.

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That's what they needed.
They did.

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They needed that more than
anything.

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You could say.
Yeah, yeah, you could say you

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could not.
Anyway, how was your week?

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How's it like, I guess, you
know, being in the school as

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well, the wider impact of Sats,
Obviously you're not up there

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doing the Sats, but there's a
lot of rules and things in

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place.
Did it?

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Affect you?
I mean, wow.

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I mean, you're thinking of
someone other than year 6.

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I mean, that's pretty.
That's incredible.

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Well, yeah, we do exist.
The only SATS week.

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Yeah, time's out.
No one.

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Cares no it does.
It does have a huge impact Sats

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on the whole school, no, no
matter where you're at, because

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at the end of the day, year 6
when they're doing their Sats

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need every single pair of hands
they can possibly get.

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Whether it's the teaching
assistants going up to be

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scribes for children or, you
know, the SLT are there

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literally administering the
paper a lot of the time.

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I know our assistant head was
heavily involved in that.

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So, you know, even the things
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English a little bit and have
smaller classes because we have

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extra qualified teachers in in
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That didn't happen because
because that extra adult had to

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go up and help.
So, you know, we weren't in our

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normal sets for maths and
English and there were some

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sometimes we were when there
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So for example, on the Monday, I
think it was just GPS on the

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Monday.
So that meant that the first

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session we didn't, the test
wasn't happening in year 6

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because you could do the test in
the second session after break

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time.
So we had lots of adults in the

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morning, then halfway through
they all went and the timetables

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go all skew.
If break time's like half an

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hour later lunchtime, you might
not actually get out to lunch on

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time because for certain reasons
the test overran because it

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didn't start at the right time
and all that kind of stuff.

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Essentially, you just got to be
really malleable.

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And this was a big thing we
mentioned before about how to

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prepare for summer term is, is
being malleable in all of the

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respects we talked about in, in
terms of trips and stuff.

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But this is the ultimate version
of that, which is at the end of

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the day, you do, you just have
to suck it up and do it.

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I don't think it's a problem at
all.

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No, I don't think there's any
other way of doing it.

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I think it's absolutely fine and
it's the right thing to do

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because the adults need to be in
that room.

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And do you know what I actually
loved doing this week?

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It was almost like a, a flipped
coin because I want to kind of

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talk about behaviour as well,
but I absolutely loved just

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having my class all day.
That's nice and a lot of schools

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do that anyway, so the class
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But like I said with us, we go
to different pupils, go to

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different teachers from maths
and English.

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I really, really, really just
purely enjoyed teaching my

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class, some maths, teaching all
of my class, some English and

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teaching all my class in the
afternoon, some art.

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So I did like what I see as like
a really traditional primary

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school.
Yeah, very traditional.

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And I really really really
really.

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Enjoyed it?
Why though?

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Like what?
What is it about that that made

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you enjoy it?
Is it just because it was a

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novelty that you don't get to
see your class as much?

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Or was there something more deep
I?

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Think, I think it was both.
I think when you stream right,

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you.
So for example, in maths, being

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completely open and honest in
maths we do stream not

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completely.
So we don't have, we don't rank

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the children in in file order.
And then there's the top percent

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there in the class, there's the
next percent.

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But we do stream in a way where
children who need more support

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are in a smaller group and have
more adult support in there.

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That that's the extent of our
streaming.

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And I have been heavily involved
in those groups over my pretty

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much my whole career because I
love maths.

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It's a strong point of mine and
I can help those children who

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struggle with maths to become
inspired by it or want to do it

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and just get better in general.
And what I miss out on a lot of

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the time in maths is as a
teacher.

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I loved being in a room with 32
children with completely

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different backgrounds in maths,
completely different abilities

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in maths.
And I kind of, I almost, I loved

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the challenge of teaching them
all one mathematical concept

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because I had some children who
finished in two minutes and I

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could use my brain to be like,
amazing.

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Why don't you go and create this
type of question or you're going

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to be the teacher now and I want
you to mark this piece of work

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I've done over here.
He go, why am I wrong?

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Dive into that, explain it.
Usual reasoning.

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OK, problem solving.
Let's think of this task while

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simultaneously having a group of
children who were struggling to

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read a pictogram.
So you know, the, the, the the

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breadth that to me was something
I was like, oh, I can't wait to

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sink my teeth into this.
I'm going to try and help as

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many children as I possibly can.
It was so different to what I'm

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I'm doing normally, which is
very focused on children who are

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narrowly grouped together in
their ability.

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I loved that ability to kind of
push some children on, help some

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children, let them crack on.
It was.

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It was fun.
I think a lot of teachers would

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find that quite terrifying,
though, yeah, because.

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Because there's a lot, isn't it?
You're kind of saying because

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you're so competent with math
and math is your thing, that you

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sort of relish that challenge.
I think a lot of teachers that

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would be quite overwhelming
because you've got so many

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different abilities going on at
the same time, but.

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For a lot of children that is
normal.

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A lot of classes, a lot of
classes do not.

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It's very mastery approach to
not stream.

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Yeah, I get the arguments again,
we've done a whole episodes

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before on streaming or not.
So it is that is that.

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But again, I didn't want it to
be like, wow, aren't I a

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superhero with a Cape?
But this is completely normal

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for a huge percentage of the
population.

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Yeah, sure.
And I really enjoyed doing it,

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basically.
And I relished it.

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And I think the other flip side
of it was there is definitely

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something to be said as a
positive when you have your

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children all of the time for all
of your lessons because it does

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really open up that cross
curricular thing a lot more.

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If you're talking to a child in
the morning about their

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presentation in maths, when it
comes to them writing their date

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in English, you can just make
those links and say, right, what

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do we say about the way you form
in these these numbers in this

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date?
Sure, let's keep up presentation

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because in maths you just let it
slip a bit.

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I know you're better than that.
So I really want to see this

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now.
And then in the afternoon when

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we're doing art again, it's
completely different.

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But you can draw on those little
things and you can have that

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narrative through the day of.
OK guys, come on, let's smash

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this.
Because then in English at the

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end, we'll read a chapter of our
book.

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Whereas you miss that a bit when
you when you stream a lot and

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some kids are dropping in and
out.

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Yeah, I never know how I feel
about that one because I totally

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appreciate that's a huge pro,
but I also find a pro the other

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way around.
Like is the fact that you can

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kind of get that from other
teachers as well.

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Like, for example, I'd say my
attention to the children's

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presentation, it's probably not
actually that great.

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Like I do forget about it quite
a lot because I'm so focused on

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just the learning.
I'm like, it's not a high

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priority maybe in my brain
naturally.

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And I do find that when when the
children go off to other

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teachers and come back and they
kind of get slightly higher

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expectations of the
presentation, it does kind of

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kick me into gear sometimes be
like, Oh yeah, Christy,

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actually.
Yeah.

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Next door they've been, they've
been saying this.

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Yeah.
Actually, guys, what am I

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talking about?
No, we do need to have these

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high expectations.
They've been doing it in their

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class.
We need to be doing it be doing

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it as well.
And I do fear that if I had all

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my children all day, they'd
actually miss out on some of the

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benefits of the qualities of
other teachers that I don't

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have.
I think that's it's a huge pro.

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No, I'm not even disagreeing
with that completely.

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I think that pros and cons, I
don't want anyone to think right

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now I'm saying this is the way
to do things.

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Yeah.
I just enjoyed that variety of

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it's a new challenge and I think
there's, like you said, there's

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pros and cons to everything.
A big thing for us recently.

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I don't know about everyone
else.

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I'm sure it's the case based on
all the research I've seen, but

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spelling at the minute in this,
it's just horrendous.

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Like I'd say post COVID from my
point of view, that's the thing

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I've seen fall off a Cliff.
I mean, it was it was, it wasn't

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great anyway, to be honest with
you spelling.

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But like my goodness me, the
baseline the average speller

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ability to spell is very low.
Across.

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The board.
And so, yeah, again, we're

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trying to combat that as much as
we can.

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We introduced explicit spelling
lessons, whereas before we do it

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as part of English, we wouldn't
not teach spelling, but we

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introduced last year specific
spelling lessons on streamed

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groups.
So some children were still

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doing phonics.
Yep.

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OK, Who still needed that just
little push?

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A lot of children.
We were like, hey, there's no

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point doing phonics anymore.
We're going to push them onto

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some very basic spelling rules
and some high frequency words

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maybe.
And then there was a group of

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children who were quite solid
with that and actually they

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could.
And this was the top set.

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The top set were just accessing
year 3-4 spelling rules like the

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top set were just doing what
they should.

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Be doing.
That's where we're at.

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That's how skewed the whole lot,
the whole cohort was.

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I find spelling, it's one of
those few areas of, of

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curriculum in general where I, I
just don't know what the

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solution is.
Because I feel like I've spent

453
00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,600
all my whole 10 years in this
job constantly thinking, God,

454
00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:43,920
kids can't spell very well, can
they?

455
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,240
And then I've seen loads of
different approaches and none of

456
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,120
them really seem to work.
And the only times I ever see it

457
00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,640
sort of work at schools are when
they have to, like greatly

458
00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,000
sacrifice time from something
else.

459
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,240
And I'm like, I, I just can't,
I, I feel like there's just not

460
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,160
an approach to spelling.
Yeah, that is like quite casual

461
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,240
and doesn't take up too much
time from other areas that then

462
00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,720
suffer.
It's hard that actually works.

463
00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:02,920
I just don't know what the
solution is.

464
00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,280
Well, this, this is the point I
was making in terms of we went

465
00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,319
down this road a bit streamed so
I'd have children come to me

466
00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,760
just for spelling.
So it wasn't even like we're

467
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,720
saying before I had them for
English and spelling.

468
00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,680
And there was that kind of
ribbon that run gone even

469
00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,640
further.
It's like I had children come in

470
00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,200
for 20 minutes everyday from
different English groups who

471
00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,319
then at the end went off to
their English group and and

472
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,760
whilst it was whilst the move
towards explicit spelling,

473
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,560
teaching based on what the
children needed was a positive I

474
00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,720
think, and we saw a movement
there actually, there was a drop

475
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,400
off again, like you're saying as
soon as you do something,

476
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,720
something else drops off because
there was no consistency.

477
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,720
Then in terms of I'd get
children from a different group,

478
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,040
I wouldn't necessarily know
exactly what spelling was the

479
00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,840
wrong because I spoke to them
and then I'd missed that string

480
00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,360
that I'm saying we get from
having our children.

481
00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:46,920
Yeah, because where do you embed
spellings in the writing lessons

482
00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,400
immediately afterwards?
So if you know what they've been

483
00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,560
doing exactly, really
implicitly, then obviously

484
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,920
you'll use it.
So what we're doing now is

485
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,080
middle ground again, changing
constantly anywhere we, we have

486
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,680
our English sets, right?
OK.

487
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,360
And we do spelling a, a full
spelling lesson.

488
00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:02,640
It's a bit chunkier once a week
with our English sets, right?

489
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,240
So with the whole group of
abilities.

490
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,600
But we're like, OK, we're just
going to go through these

491
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,000
spelling rules.
We differentiate obviously.

492
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,160
So children kind of get it.
Might maybe do some work with

493
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,440
root words or suffixes or
prefixes or putting them into.

494
00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,560
But you're staying in your
English.

495
00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,520
But they're in our sets now,
because then every single day as

496
00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,400
a starter, we go back to that
spelling rule, right?

497
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,080
So Monday we learn the spelling
rule.

498
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,520
Tuesday, start at 5 minutes.
Use that spelling rule.

499
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,520
When do they start at 5 minutes?
Use that spelling rule.

500
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:26,920
Does that make sense?
Use that spelling rule.

501
00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,120
Then next week we'll go to a new
one, do the same again and

502
00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,200
eventually over the term, those
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

503
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,440
maybe even more towards the end
of the week, we say cool, OK,

504
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,080
remember from three weeks ago we
did this, Add Ed to this.

505
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,160
Root so can I clarify do you
still also do set spelling

506
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,520
groups as well?
No, so you're you're going so

507
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,120
how is that middle ground?
So we've come back to class.

508
00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,440
We only.
Set for children who need

509
00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,800
phonics.
They're the ones who.

510
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,040
Don't do it so that should.
So the middle ground now is

511
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,600
that, OK, We're all learning
spending rules.

512
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,760
We're all going to go through
this exact set.

513
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,360
Some children might be really
good at spelling these words.

514
00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,680
Cool.
We need to differentiate for

515
00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,880
them because it is going to be a
waste of their time otherwise.

516
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,120
But the vast, I'm going to be
honest, the vast majority can

517
00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:06,280
just do the spelling rules they
need to.

518
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,800
And we dip into key stage 1
spending rules.

519
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,080
We dip into that basic, basic
spending rules because they're

520
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,440
not consistent enough.
And that's that's where right

521
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,680
now it could change again, but.
You've pulled out the children

522
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,480
who are significantly blown that
couldn't even access to that

523
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,680
level because they still need
to.

524
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,280
Learn that if there's children
who honestly can't spell AT I'm

525
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,600
not going to do a needy spelling
rule.

526
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,920
No, no, it's just pointless.
But there's children who can't

527
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,920
form the letter D.
Why am I teaching them how to do

528
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,600
Ed Like it's important but they
can do some high frequency?

529
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,600
Let's learn, Shun.
Well, yeah, I don't know.

530
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,760
Yeah, so we did shun recently
and there's definitely a handful

531
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,560
of children around, like it's
kind of pointless.

532
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,480
But then what we do is we
constantly go back to those big

533
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,240
spelling rules like that are
linked to tents, like EDING.

534
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,200
So they're, they're the big ones
where we can embed spelling

535
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,640
rules that kind of flow through
all spelling.

536
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,040
But that's why we're having an
impact now.

537
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,040
And I think I'm having way more
of an impact because I've I've

538
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,040
taught them the spelling and we
can have a non like, I hate the

539
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,840
word non negotiable, but it
really is a high standard of I'm

540
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,720
sorry, guys, we've done shun
this week.

541
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:05,960
Any words where you've got the
shun sound?

542
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,040
You might get the beginning
wrong, but you have to get the

543
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,240
end right, because we've
literally.

544
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,560
Done it.
We've just done Shun.

545
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,480
And that that accountability I
think is working quite well.

546
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,680
But it's such a slow, hard Rd.
I would love to hear anyone who

547
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,360
thinks they have crack spelling
because even all the spelling

548
00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:25,680
things out there, they're just
rules again and it's ways.

549
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,400
And I'm like, OK, I know I teach
spelling rules, but it's still

550
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,640
not having a.
Huge.

551
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,400
It's almost the wider approach
that I want to know that's been

552
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,360
done really well.
It's OK.

553
00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:38,600
How do I how do I apply this the
most effectively in school?

554
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,240
What like passive things do I
have to do?

555
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,320
How much time should I be giving
it?

556
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,720
What should we be doing with
homework?

557
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,960
Is there a parental expectation?
Is there a point where you just

558
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,200
have to go is so out of our
hands because so much it relies

559
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,320
on parental expectation and like
how much they do that.

560
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,320
Actually, depending on your
catchment, this approach might

561
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,880
not even work or work really
well for you.

562
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,840
Like there's so many factors
where I'm like, I don't, I just

563
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,560
don't know.
Have you noticed a correlation

564
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,960
between your quality spellers
and the amount they read?

565
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,120
Oh yeah, big time, right.
So I think that's very

566
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:06,760
straightforward.
So we're we're here like, oh,

567
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,800
how can we just change this
slightly and do 10 minutes

568
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,040
instead of five and have these
groups?

569
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,480
Yeah, OK.
Ultimately, 90% of the shift is

570
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,640
going to be what vocabulary are
exposed to all of the time in

571
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,440
your home life as well, and how
much you're reading.

572
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,920
Exactly.
If we actually want to make a

573
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,920
huge difference, This is why
teachers bang on about reading

574
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,840
so much, because it affects
everything.

575
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:24,960
Yeah.
That's the one thing I'd say I'm

576
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,440
very passionate about is, is the
impact we can have on

577
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,080
encouraging children to want to
read for themselves.

578
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,600
And, and you can do it in a way
where it's like you're almost

579
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,160
breaking down the boundaries of
it doesn't even matter if your

580
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,000
family's pushing you or not.
I just want to make I, my job is

581
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,520
to try and get you to love
reading so much that even if

582
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,320
you're your auntie and your dad
and your mum, whoever it is that

583
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840
looks after you, even if they're
not big readers, you still want

584
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,360
to go home and read your book
because you love it.

585
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,040
Like that's where we can have a
huge impact in terms of

586
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,680
enjoyment.
And it all just comes back to

587
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,480
just reading for pleasure.
And it's such a simplistic thing

588
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,800
that I feel like in this, you
know, in this day and age of

589
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,960
education where everything has
to to be unbelievably complex

590
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,000
and we have to measure it to the
degree we do kind of start.

591
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,960
Like we've talked about this
loads of times before where it's

592
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,760
like, oh, simple things are bad,
though, because everything is so

593
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,640
complex and we're so
professional that we have can't

594
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,680
have simple things.
I know.

595
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,680
Do you know what it is to me
with reading particularly as

596
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,800
simple as get the kids to like
it?

597
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,480
That's it.
Do whatever you need to do to

598
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,640
get the kids to like it.
Stop telling them that they've

599
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,200
they've their word count is too
low.

600
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,600
Stop telling them that, oh, they
shouldn't be reading that.

601
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,840
But I mean, there's a degree you
can do that.

602
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,360
But you know, sometimes we say
don't read that because you've

603
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,120
read lots of those genre books.
Recently we.

604
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:33,680
Want you to have a different
genre now, is that OK?

605
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,320
There is a conversation to
encourage them to read different

606
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,600
genres, but for Christ, they're
enjoying reading.

607
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,840
Just do whatever you can to get
them to enjoy reading.

608
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,080
And so much comes from it.
So much for writing, so much for

609
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,680
spelling, so much for the, the
underpinning parts of writing

610
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,760
like grammar and punctuation is
crazy.

611
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,640
The correlation is obviously
really strong.

612
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,400
I even I, I speak, I was giving
my Class A pep talk, you know,

613
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,560
before Sats and just being like,
I, I said to them because I've,

614
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,040
I've got, obviously we stream
and I have a really high ability

615
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,720
set and they are amazing class.
And I've repeatedly said to

616
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,520
them, I said, they always say
every class.

617
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,760
I said, you're the most amazing
class at English that I've ever

618
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,120
had.
You're so good at English.

619
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,720
I've never ever met a child
who's proficient in all of the

620
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,840
different aspects of English
that isn't therefore because

621
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,360
they're a good reader.
The only, the only time I've

622
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,240
ever seen some slight
discrepancies is in GPS.

623
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,280
I've seen sometimes some
children who reluctant readers

624
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,440
don't really like reading, hate
writing.

625
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,760
Typically a few boys I can think
of in my head absolutely adore

626
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,600
maths and rules and are amazing
at maths.

627
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,760
I've, I have seen them apply
that to GPS and be like, well,

628
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,800
OK, I know what an adjective is.
That's the adjective and, and

629
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,680
rules black and white.
But in terms of that tricky,

630
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,680
like spending is so tricky, it's
grey area.

631
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,120
Writing is so tricky.
That only comes from that deep

632
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:50,160
embedded nuance of reading so
much.

633
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,560
And again, I think that's where
as teachers, we just step back

634
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,920
and actually we can have much
more of a powerful impact on a

635
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720
child's outcomes by encouraging
that reading.

636
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,280
And that seems so basic and
obvious and like, but you

637
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,160
weren't working 10 times a week
to make some new plan on how

638
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,240
they can do the spelling from
all the PowerPoints we've made.

639
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,800
Listen, encourage that or have a
bigger impact than switching up

640
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,560
how you're delivering your
spelling to a new way, which you

641
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,760
going to change in six months
anyway.

642
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,160
Still do all that because we're
professionals and we're going to

643
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,320
obviously react to things.
But realistically, what's going

644
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,640
to move this the the the needle
there?

645
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,800
It is longer term, big, huge
things that we can't change

646
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,560
overnight and it is long term.
That's the point, isn't it?

647
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,920
Yeah, you summarise my point.
Nice.

648
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,360
I went off on a bit of a tangent
there.

649
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,400
But that is ultimately what I
was trying to say is that

650
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,360
reading is so important.
It's so important.

651
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,760
It affects so many other areas.
We should absolutely be putting

652
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,240
it on a pedestal how important
we we deem it to be.

653
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,960
So you said at the beginning of
this conversation, you never

654
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040
really dived into it, that there
was a bit of a flip coin to this

655
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560
and you said something about
behaviour and then you kind of

656
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,160
went off and.
Well, the the OK, yeah.

657
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,160
So that's the one side of the
coin where I really enjoyed it.

658
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,600
Yeah.
It was really nice to have my

659
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,320
class all day.
And I said to them, I feel so

660
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,560
lucky to be able to teacher all
day.

661
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,160
And I was saying how lucky their
teachers are to have them and

662
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,680
like you said, just bigger them
up, making them feel.

663
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,680
Good.
Make sure you said how lucky

664
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,880
they are.
Have you as well.

665
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,520
You guys are so lucky.
I didn't say that.

666
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,760
I just implied that heavily.
And anyway, yeah.

667
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,480
And the other side of it, and I
think maybe I'm to blame here is

668
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,680
I've noticed is it May, is it a
May thing is at the end of the

669
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,680
year, but behaviour is really,
really, really, really, really

670
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,320
dipping in general, I've got to
say.

671
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,800
And I love my class.
I, I, I always get to this point

672
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,480
in the year and I'm always like,
I love my class.

673
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,560
It's like, yeah, because you
can't spend this long with a

674
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,520
class and love children in terms
of helping them as much as we do

675
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,120
in our jobs and not end up just
having a real bond.

676
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:37,960
It's just impossible.
It's just really impossible.

677
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,680
And I'm always lucky with the
classes we get where I'm able to

678
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280
do that.
But I just felt, I, I felt

679
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,040
myself more times than ever this
week in my head thinking

680
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,000
genuinely, Oh my God, shut up.
Like genuinely in my head.

681
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,560
I would never, ever, ever.
No, of course not.

682
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,200
The children, obviously.
But do you know when you're just

683
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,400
like I'm I?
I can't believe that that you

684
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,880
would keep talking as much as
we're doing right now when I've

685
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,560
asked you.
So I'm so nice.

686
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,240
I'm genuinely so nice to these
kids and I give them so many

687
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,280
opportunities to do the right
thing and very, very strict and

688
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,920
and it because it doesn't take
much normally and I'm very

689
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,560
nicely asked them firmly and
they understand that they stop

690
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,600
straight away.
But I just feel like in is this

691
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,120
a thing in general?
I'm seeing it online a lot as

692
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,360
well where behaviour just starts
to move and I'm just like, OK, a

693
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,360
more inexperienced to me would
really take this person and be

694
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,680
like, Oh my God, I am fat.
I need to change what I'm doing

695
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,640
right my way.
I did a stupid thing this week.

696
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,800
Very, very silly of I had my
sunglasses in and I, I wore them

697
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,200
and the kids were like, oh, you
look cool.

698
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,760
And I was like, OK, this is
going to be a thing this week.

699
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,120
And I would give my sunglasses
to children working really hard.

700
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,240
And I'd be like, right, who's
going to get the sunglasses this

701
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,360
time?
Giving them out and stuff.

702
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,880
And that excited them.
But like, Oh my God, it made

703
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,760
them so happy.
And, and then they were all

704
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,320
working really hard because they
wanted the glasses.

705
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,800
It was like a win, win, win for
me.

706
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,840
More work, happy children.
At one point, side note, the

707
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,560
head teacher was showing someone
around.

708
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,760
Oh no, came to the door and was
like, it's Mr. Price the maths

709
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,920
lead.
And they given all the speed he

710
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,360
normally gives.
And I just heard, I just heard

711
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,280
my head teacher go, excuse me,
do we need to be wearing those

712
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,640
sunglasses to one of the
children?

713
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,160
Oh no.
Like the kid was like oh God.

714
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,520
Oh, that's so awful.
And I and I learned, but I had

715
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,240
to say, I had to say I was like,
oh, no, sorry.

716
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,040
That's that's me.
That's mine.

717
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,720
He's earned them for working
really hard.

718
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,680
But again, luckily, because I
had teachers so normal and cool,

719
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,800
Yeah, it just assumed it was
like, oh, nice one.

720
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,480
He was just laughing.
He was like, oh, good job.

721
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,040
And then he carried on.
But like, yeah, I, I felt bad at

722
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,320
that point.
But anyway, my point is I'm

723
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,560
doing things like this.
Yeah.

724
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200
Is Hayden, What do you think?
Is it my fault because I'm doing

725
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,440
things like this?
Can I then sit here and be like

726
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,440
oh but behaviour was so bad or
is it something else?

727
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,640
I think it's personally all
exclusively your fault.

728
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,000
No, I'm joking.
I it it.

729
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,280
It they're genuine because I
want to know if you think it.

730
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,400
Look, probably doing that
probably had an impact.

731
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000
That's what I was going to say.
Realistically, you probably, you

732
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,160
probably could have done things
differently and their behaviour

733
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,880
outcomes would have been
different, right?

734
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440
I reckon.
I don't know because I don't

735
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,040
want, I don't want to discourage
things like this because I think

736
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,200
you, what you doing that with
the sunglasses is what creates

737
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,840
real bonds.
It might just be that you need

738
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,560
to rein it in a bit more than
you would have done six months

739
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,240
ago, because six months ago they
were still a bit more like those

740
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840
relationships weren't quite as
formed as they are.

741
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,200
They didn't really know how to
test the waters.

742
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,920
Whereas they now know you
extremely well.

743
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,040
They probably know exactly what
like where, what they can get

744
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,520
away with, what they can do, and
maybe they just took advantage

745
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240
of you in that in that
situation, I I don't see it as a

746
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,040
huge problem and I'm sure you
don't see it as a huge problem

747
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,480
either.
No, it's just frustrating.

748
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,360
I never felt like, I don't often
feel frustrated.

749
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,240
Yeah, I feel like I've got
control over this.

750
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,360
I have control of this
behaviour.

751
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,120
And I know if it goes wrong, I
can say, excuse me, thank you.

752
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,640
But like, but this week, it was
very much like I was in my head.

753
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160
I was like, OK, this is where I
feel like a fraud.

754
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,520
And I've talked about this
before because my usual thank

755
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960
you, like because I rely so much
on that, that understanding and

756
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680
that respect and that bond that
we build up as soon as that

757
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,280
doesn't work, like the kids are
being nice, the kids are being

758
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,080
lovely.
I really like my class.

759
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,200
Then honestly, they're just
chatting when I'm like, don't

760
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200
talk.
As soon as it flipped and they

761
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,640
did and I was like, oh, I am a
fraud.

762
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,240
And I think that's a bad thing
to know.

763
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,400
I can't help but go to.
OK.

764
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,880
I'm in the same position by the
way.

765
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,200
I'd say at this point of the
year, I consistently say that

766
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,480
every year and I do, I do partly
put it down to because I've had,

767
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040
because I do have a quite a
friendly relationship with the

768
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,960
kids, but I don't feel that bad.
I just don't feel too bad about.

769
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,400
I think it depends on what you
do next.

770
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,120
Now you've identified it, I
think that's where the

771
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,960
experience comes in.
What are you gonna do about it?

772
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,560
What are you gonna do next week
now?

773
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,480
Because I know, I know you and I
know that you will probably go

774
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,200
in now obsessively thinking
about the fact they were really

775
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,880
taking the Mick last week and
actually completely took

776
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000
advantage of my goodwill and
good nature that we've built up

777
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,360
all this year.
And I know you'll go in and make

778
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,720
sure they understand that.
And from a like a mutual respect

779
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,520
point point of view, I can
imagine you'll go in and do some

780
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,560
sort of talk of like guys last
week, right?

781
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,080
You know, how we built up this
mutual respect and, and I really

782
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,440
care about you and you guys
really care about me.

783
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,200
You really took advantage of
that of last week.

784
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,200
And it's maybe not want to do
anything fun of you this week.

785
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,520
So for this week only, we're
going to reset ourselves.

786
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,360
And actually, I'm not going to
be handing out the sunglasses

787
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,240
because you took advantage of
it.

788
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,760
We're not going to be spinning
the wheel over here.

789
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,440
You took advantage of it.
We're not going to get Mr

790
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000
Stevens face in here and print
them into little cards and throw

791
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,520
them out here.
I love that you're low key

792
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,680
exposing all of the nonsense I
do.

793
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,240
But I could, but I don't know.
It's amazing.

794
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,320
I.
Don't want to stop doing that,

795
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,160
that's my point.
No, but you can use it as a

796
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,120
tool.
I think you can say actually

797
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,240
just to remind you kids, right?
I was giving you something.

798
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,400
I was giving you this thing here
as like a sign of respect.

799
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,240
And all you had to do back was
show me the same sign of

800
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,520
respect.
You've kind of broken that

801
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,560
agreement that we've all sort of
come to as as a group of people.

802
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,640
It's not about your
authoritarian approach and their

803
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,160
children, silly children can't
think of themselves and you tell

804
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,280
them what to do.
It's so we're all people here.

805
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,720
We've kind of agreed how we
speak to each other.

806
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,640
You've broken that agreement and
I'm and I'm like, I'm going to,

807
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,440
I'm going to track myself a
little bit from that as well now

808
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080
until you understand again,
because we're teaching them the

809
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,200
ideas of like socialising.
Right, yeah, I agree.

810
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,760
It's, it's that idea of, you
know, I still think our job as

811
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
teachers is to teach more than
just the curriculum.

812
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,800
Like there's a lot of people out
there who do push back when we

813
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,760
post stuff about this.
And they'll be like, now my

814
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,320
job's to deliver the curriculum.
That's it.

815
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,280
I'm like, OK, right, all right.
If a child's been rude and not

816
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,680
had not doesn't have table
manners when they're eating

817
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,080
lunch in the lunch hall, OK, you
could sit there and say to me,

818
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,880
that's not my job, I'm there.
Had to deliver the maths

819
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,520
curriculum and then the English
and then the afternoon

820
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,960
curriculum.
OK, right.

821
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,360
But it is though, isn't it like
it?

822
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600
But it is like, you know, part
of your job can be to instil

823
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
these values.
And it's the same thing now with

824
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,040
behaviour and stuff.
What I want to teach them it's I

825
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,240
don't want them to teach them.
You listen to me because I'm in

826
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,760
charge and that's the end of it.
I don't think that moulds good

827
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,480
side of people in our society.
I agree.

828
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,080
I think what would mould good
people in our society is to

829
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480
understand that is a mutual
agreement coming on here.

830
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,600
I'm in a position where I know
more about this thing than you

831
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,560
and that's why I'm your teacher
at the end of the day.

832
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,680
But you're still a person here
is the benefit of acting this

833
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,920
way.
When you act that way, you don't

834
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,640
get the nice things that you
think we get all the time.

835
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,000
We, there's five different paths
we can go down.

836
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760
And it is also down to you which
path we managed to get ourselves

837
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,920
down.
And you're absolutely right.

838
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,800
That is what I'd go to.
And again, I want people

839
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,680
listening.
I'm nearly 10 years into this

840
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,240
job and I still have these self
doubts.

841
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,720
And we talked real about this
before.

842
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,240
And you might be 15 years in, 20
years in one year in and you're

843
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,240
having these doubts.
You need to know it's normal.

844
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,640
And actually, it's good practise
to reflect on that kind of thing

845
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,160
and just just back yourself a
bit because I think I, I, I

846
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680
would never, although I say all
that, I would never choose to

847
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,280
not be silly in those moments or
have those because, because to

848
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,960
me, that's what defines me as a
teacher.

849
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,800
That's how I build that bonds
with my class.

850
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,080
It works for me.
But there's going to be pros and

851
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,040
cons to every aspect.
What I don't want is someone

852
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,280
coming along and hearing me say
this and go see.

853
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,400
That's why you've got to be
authoritarian from the stop and

854
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,240
never smile till Christmas and
not give them an inch.

855
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,720
Well, I could sit here and say
how that's got cons as.

856
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Well, massive cons because I
tell you what something I do and

857
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,040
it has a a tonne of power,
right?

858
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,000
In those situations where I have
been obviously nice

859
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,200
relationships and maybe someone
is really disrespectful later on

860
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,840
in the year is I can say to them
things like that really hurt my

861
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560
feelings and it actually means
something to them because

862
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
they're people and I've built a
real relationship with them.

863
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,000
And not if I had an
authoritarian approach the whole

864
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,560
way through, they wouldn't care.
They wouldn't care.

865
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,480
They'd probably snigger about it
and laugh.

866
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Hurt his feelings.
We hope his feelings, we hate

867
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,840
him.
We just do as are told because

868
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,840
I'm sorry, I'm getting into my
mind.

869
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,600
We just hate him.
We hate Mr Stevens.

870
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,800
It's my dreams.
We really do expose in this

871
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,080
podcast your need for
validation, though it's not that

872
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,920
true.
It's not that.

873
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,480
And then you'll see the bit
hates me.

874
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Yeah, but in serious point,
right, authoritarian approach is

875
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,760
like you're just masking it.
The kids are just pretending to

876
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,120
be nice to you because you've
told them they have to behave

877
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,680
this way.
I'd much prefer a class than

878
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,400
where the kids actually just
like me.

879
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,720
Like for example.
Again, you're not helping

880
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,280
yourself.
No, it's, it's real.

881
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,240
But what I mean, it's just the
way you said it, you could have

882
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,880
framed it like a classroom where
they choose to do it because we

883
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,560
built a bond.
You know what I mean?

884
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,040
I prefer when they like.
Me.

885
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Yeah.
For real.

886
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,120
Not faith.
Yeah.

887
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,280
No, you know what I mean.
No, but but, but I'm just going

888
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,680
to really clarify it.
What you mean is they like being

889
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,160
in the room.
They see you as another person.

890
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,600
They want to do the right thing.
It's mutual respect.

891
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,400
So when you say things like, oh,
I actually hurt my feelings as a

892
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,160
person, they're like, oh,
crikey, OK, I'll think about

893
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,360
that because I don't actually
want to do that.

894
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,600
Yeah, just one more example.
The other day is with me now,

895
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,200
but we've got a job share.
We have job shares and my job

896
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,200
has just been off for a couple
of weeks for for certain

897
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,960
reasons.
And they said, oh, when, when's

898
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,040
she when's, you know, miss
coming back?

899
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,680
And I said, oh, she'll be back
next week.

900
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440
And a couple of the kids I saw
in the back and went yes.

901
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,239
And I was like, you know what I
need to share.

902
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,040
I haven't shared that with her
yet, but I keep meaning to text

903
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,600
her because that to me is like,
yeah, that's that show.

904
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,440
Doesn't that just show that
there's a real relationship?

905
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,880
They actually like, they value
her as a as a human being.

906
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,960
They just want to know that
she's back in the building so

907
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520
they can they can have a chat
that she's OK, they can catch up

908
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,800
because they miss her.
And that to me is what it's all

909
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,040
about.
And I think, you know that

910
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,600
coming, coming full circle.
You can have a really good, the

911
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,080
behaviour can can slip.
It's normal for behaviour to

912
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,280
slip.
It doesn't mean you have to go

913
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,719
down to the extremities now, OK,
authoritarian approach is much

914
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,040
better.
We have to be horribly strict

915
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,520
and not make any friendly.
No, that's not the way because

916
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,320
there are cons to that which
we've just described.

917
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,400
It's just now from wisdom,
perhaps from time in the game,

918
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,280
like what you do next is going
to have a big impact because if

919
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,360
you now let them walk all over
you, OK, Well, then actually

920
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,800
they might, they might start
losing their respect for you as

921
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,960
the leader of the classroom and
and then then things can go

922
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,760
horribly wrong.
So it's all about now what you

923
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,720
do next and how you helped them
to learn that what what they

924
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,240
were doing and how they're
making you feel is not OK.

925
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,080
And your feelings are just as
valid as a teacher.

926
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,120
That's kind of what I was
getting at.

927
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,280
That's lovely.
And and that they love you and

928
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,600
they have to, they have to all
think I'm best teacher and they

929
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,040
have to, I have to be their
favourite or it's not worth it.

930
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,200
Right, let's have a quick break.
We'll continue a chat.

931
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,040
We've got a few emails and some
bits and bobs we want to talk

932
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,560
about after.
I think now's a good time to do

933
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,760
a couple of message writings
that we've received.

934
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,440
So I've got one from Instagram
and it's referencing something

935
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,880
we talked about recently.
So I'm gonna read the whole

936
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,640
thing out to you.
Sure.

937
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,480
Hiya.
Relatively new to the podcast

938
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,600
firstly, but firstly, absolutely
love it.

939
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:39,880
Always nice to see that.
Thank you.

940
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,240
Your views and points resonate
so much with me and sometimes

941
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,840
give me the sort of validation I
need when the system infuriates

942
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,400
me.
Literally what we're trying to

943
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,680
do.
So that's so nice to read.

944
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,600
I love it when, in the spirit of
your funny stories, I couldn't

945
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,920
help but laugh about the story
of the teacher who asked the

946
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,000
children to write their names
backwards on their mock set.

947
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920
Yeah, if you don't know that
story, go listen to the last one

948
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,920
because that is just hilarious.
It reminded me of a not too

949
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,960
dissimilar situation in my NQT
year.

950
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,960
So new teacher, The best stories
always happened with my year

951
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,440
five class where for whatever
nonsense reason we had a chat

952
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,320
about how girls are called Miss
up until they're married, in

953
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,280
which case they can choose to
become misses.

954
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600
And then.
So then I got asked why are boys

955
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,120
always Mr though?
And I explained that until that

956
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,920
about 12 is actually boys are
technically called master which

957
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,000
we know out of loads of like
bank statements saying master

958
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,720
price and stuff like that.
And I remember the day it

959
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,280
changed and I thought oh I'm
growing up now.

960
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,360
So they had a laugh and then
carried on with their morning.

961
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,320
Then at lunchtime I did my usual
silly register and I decided to

962
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,000
greet them as Master or miss.
About 3 names in I realised we

963
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,240
had a boy with a surname Bates.
Oh no, that's such a classic I

964
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,040
can't even say it.
I can't even say it.

965
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,000
You can imagine it.
Never repeated that exercise

966
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,920
again.
That is so funny.

967
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,880
Do you know what it reminds me
of?

968
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,960
Do you know what that reminds me
of?

969
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,480
Do you remember at school?
Maybe it was just my immature

970
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,240
cohort, right when when you used
to try and combine the words a

971
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,600
debate in maths.
Do you know what I'm talking

972
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,640
about?
When it was like a.

973
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,280
Huge debate.
Sir, Sir, what do we call it if

974
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,760
we had a debate in this lesson?
What do you mean?

975
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,760
You know what's the subject
we've had?

976
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,200
This is a maths.
This is a maths lesson, what we

977
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,240
call it.
If you had a debate in here and

978
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,560
you get in the same.
Yeah, honestly, I love it.

979
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,440
The big one for me was like,
what if we have a small debate?

980
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,160
What have we got?
Loads of people involved.

981
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,600
Like like a huge, like a mass
gathering of people.

982
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,800
Yeah, mass gathering of people
having a debate.

983
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,040
What would we call that?
What would we call that?

984
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Yeah, completely.
That's unbelievable.

985
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,080
And that that is I've had that
multiple times.

986
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
I can't even do you know what,
because the feeling is so

987
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,400
intense of almost embarrassment
when that happens.

988
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,720
Yeah, I, I know I've done that
multiple times, but I actually

989
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,200
can't remember what it was that
happened.

990
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Yeah.
Yeah.

991
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,720
Because that feeling of like, Oh
my God, what have I done?

992
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,360
Dread where you're like, you set
yourself up to do this silly

993
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,600
thing with all these kids.
Yeah.

994
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,880
And you know that it's going to
have to be inappropriate and you

995
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,480
just have to, you have to stop.
And the kids are like, no, go

996
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,160
on, do it.
Do it.

997
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,680
I'm like, God, the more you
think about it, the more you

998
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,280
realise why I'm stopping and you
have to deflect.

999
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,960
It's like the amount of stories
I've heard in my career, because

1000
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,560
I think this is not going to
normalise this because it's

1001
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,640
like, oh, but the amount of
stories I've heard from people

1002
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
in my career where they've,
they've accidentally sworn.

1003
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,320
Yeah, they've actually sworn and
they've been in the school, in

1004
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,920
the school environment and
they've just that one second of

1005
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,440
the day, they've their their
normal self because human self

1006
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,760
has slipped out and they've said
a swear word.

1007
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,120
And then just like the utter
dread that they feel, I mean,

1008
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,280
because a child has heard it and
they're like, did you just

1009
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,240
swear?
You know, and you think the

1010
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,080
world's ending and then
actually, you know, you realise

1011
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,360
that it's just, it's just a
word.

1012
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,840
And most head teachers are like,
yeah, OK.

1013
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,720
Have I told you the story when I
did that?

1014
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,920
I don't know.
Like when I was training, I

1015
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,880
think I might have said the
story before I say again, before

1016
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,240
you go to do your PGCE.
So I was in my year between

1017
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,080
university ending when I started
my PGCE.

1018
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,000
You had to go to schools and get
a bit of just experience.

1019
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Yes, 10 days I think.
So I went into a local primary

1020
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,680
school and at one point I think
a child was, I think a child was

1021
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
misbehaving or something, I
can't remember.

1022
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200
But anyway, I got asked to go
outside and play a board game

1023
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,680
with this child I'm already
imagining.

1024
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,400
Like so many avenues of this.
Me and this child were in the

1025
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,080
corridor playing Snakes and
ladders and obviously I'm a

1026
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,760
young, but I'm just out of
university.

1027
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,280
So I'm still a young adult and
I'm my back when I had my

1028
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,240
competitive edge and there was
no like there was I wanted to

1029
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,600
beat this child snakes and
ladders.

1030
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,320
So I was rolling, rolling up and
down.

1031
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,280
You want snakes and ladders like
you get to the toddler, blah,

1032
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,640
blah, blah.
We got to the end.

1033
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,880
We're both on the top right.
So he rolled it and he didn't

1034
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,120
get exactly to 100 right.
So whatever was happening.

1035
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Still have a chance to win.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1036
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,680
And, and then I rolled mine and
I rolled a number where I landed

1037
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,000
on that big fat snake on 99 or
whatever.

1038
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,960
On 99, you go down to like 20.
Yeah, yeah.

1039
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,840
And I remember I did that and I
went, did I went.

1040
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,920
Oh, fuck yeah.
Right.

1041
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,880
And then immediately I was like,
because I this is the first time

1042
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,320
probably honestly, I was with a
kid and the did you just say no,

1043
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,680
no, no, no, no, no, no, I
didn't.

1044
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,000
Yeah, you did.
And I made-up something and the

1045
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,400
kid was like, no, I heard you,
you said.

1046
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,760
And I was like, let's go back
into class, show how to go and

1047
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,920
explain how to go and explain
this guy who's going for

1048
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,160
experience.
Honestly, yeah.

1049
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,640
I just full on was like, because
in my head that's what I say

1050
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,640
when I'm losing.
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't have

1051
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,920
that built up professional kind
of.

1052
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,280
Thing yet I bet you're a child I
bet you're like that's my career

1053
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,280
I've started this career yeah
it's.

1054
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,000
Over There's a point where
you're just like, have I ruined

1055
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,960
everything?
Have I done it wrong?

1056
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,680
Yeah, but no, I, I, I'm 10 years
down the line, look at look

1057
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:15,200
what's.
Happened.

1058
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,000
Well, I tell you what, thank you
for that story because that's

1059
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,560
really funny.
I think it's always nice for

1060
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,160
other teachers to hear that
sometimes we do just everyone

1061
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,800
messes up.
Like, you know, it's not

1062
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,120
intentional what happens
sometimes.

1063
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,720
I'm sure you went very red when
I did in that, in that moment,

1064
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,400
you and and this person, it was,
it was well, kind.

1065
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,320
We've had we've had an e-mail.
So once again, I've intercepted

1066
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,200
an e-mail.
This seems becoming a running a

1067
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,880
running theme, right?
I saw this e-mail and luckily I

1068
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,520
was out on my phone and it
pinged through.

1069
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,800
Yeah, I read it and I
immediately replied saying can I

1070
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,760
use this to read out to Dylan in
an episode?

1071
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,280
And they said yeah, as long as
it's kept anonymous.

1072
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,040
So I've got to read the whole
thing to.

1073
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,040
You.
Isn't it great when they say

1074
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,440
keep it anonymous?
Come like this juicy.

1075
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Yeah, exactly, exactly that.
And I remember, by the way,

1076
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,320
anyone thinking, are these guys
staging these?

1077
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,920
No, because literally Hayden
immediately as well voice noted

1078
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,240
me and said do not read our
emails.

1079
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,680
Yeah, so I've.
Mentioned it was, it was at

1080
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,280
school and I think it was on
lunch break or something.

1081
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,200
I said don't read that.
I was, I was doing, I was doing

1082
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Golf Club.
Oh yeah, because I'm at school.

1083
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,560
No.
I'm at golf.

1084
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640
I'm seeing it.
OK, so you'll like this story

1085
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,240
though, and when I read this I
thought Dylan's going to love

1086
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:09,840
this.
So here we go.

1087
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,800
I'm going to try my best to keep
this anonymous because he

1088
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,800
doesn't use names and things for
it.

1089
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,800
I'm going to take them out as I
go.

1090
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,800
He says hi guys, hope you're
both well.

1091
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Keep up the good work of
pointing out insane practises.

1092
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,920
I have some something of a perla
for you and I was like where we

1093
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,320
go.
I was hooked.

1094
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,440
Well, never hooking me in.
For some background, I was a

1095
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,280
teacher for seven years and I
quit at Christmas.

1096
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,160
I'll be taking up a post doing
some research internationally in

1097
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,800
August and figured it was worth
a last hurrah to respond to an

1098
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,400
advert I saw for a local school
doing exam invigilating.

1099
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,200
For reference, the school is the
mothership of one of these

1100
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,440
multinational chains.
I was reading that slowly

1101
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080
because he names it here to make
sure I didn't read out and it

1102
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,760
seemed like a sensible choice
for some.

1103
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Steady income, ��13.00 an hour if
you're interested whilst I

1104
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,520
whilst I get myself prepared for
new adventures in the summer.

1105
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,880
I was like OK, cool to set the
scene.

1106
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,320
Lovely hot 25�� day and I turned
out in my absolute finest shirt,

1107
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,600
tie and chinos combo.
Invigilating went superbly with

1108
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,560
seemingly every stereotype hit
over the course of the two hour

1109
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,400
English lit paper.
A child had a Nosebleed, a phone

1110
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,920
was ringing in a bag and said
bag needed to be removed from

1111
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,520
the hall.
I felt like a bomb disposal

1112
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,400
expert, many pens running out of
ink having seemingly written

1113
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,320
nothing.
See it, say it, sort it.

1114
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,880
I'll tell you what.
Just that is a thing.

1115
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,320
That is a thing.
My pen doesn't work.

1116
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Can you show me?
Works fine.

1117
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,440
Oh no, it's got it's flat on the
end.

1118
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,480
What just it works.
Just use the pen.

1119
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,960
I'm not giving you a new pen for
that wasting pens.

1120
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,360
But anyway, this aspect of the
job, invigilating went fine and

1121
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,600
I was even thanked for locating
the nuisance of a phone with my

1122
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,320
superb hearing.
Being 30 puts you at quite an

1123
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,200
age advantage as it turns out
when trying to find a vibrating

1124
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,640
phone.
Where I imagine the average age

1125
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,880
of invigilators was about 65 in
the room, it was older people

1126
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,360
doing it.
So he was the youngest person

1127
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,160
there by far.
On leaving the building, I was

1128
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,760
approached by a member of staff
who who had that mischievous SLT

1129
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
glint in her eye.
It really made me laugh.

1130
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,880
An air of arrogance and a
sprinkle of thinking that she

1131
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,680
held a role of significant power
and superiority.

1132
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
We all know the type, right?
We all know.

1133
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,200
We call them out on this
podcast.

1134
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,320
We did.
You know what she'd say to you?

1135
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,400
Learn how to pronounce
mischievous properly, that's

1136
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,120
what.
She'd say even the kids tell me

1137
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,720
that.
All right, Mischievous.

1138
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,880
It's just spelt not like that
and not pronounced like that.

1139
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:32,360
No, it isn't my world like me
anyway, so this is a bit you're

1140
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,120
gonna like.
OK, ready?

1141
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,840
So this is what the SLC?
She said with a half smile, half

1142
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,040
scowl.
You you know where that.

1143
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,120
Is I need to put can?
You imagine that the half smile

1144
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,120
scowl.
I know that.

1145
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,280
I imagine this person right, I
need to put, I need to get to

1146
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,880
justice the voice.
The dress code says you should

1147
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,720
wear a jacket and tie and then
ask if you can remove them on a

1148
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,240
hot day like today.
Oh my God.

1149
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,080
He put in brackets.
I checked and can can can

1150
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,640
confirm it does not say this.
Oh my God, it doesn't even say

1151
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,280
it.
They're the worst of both.

1152
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,000
You can have a policy, but there
and then having done sorry, I

1153
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,880
know, having done no research,
he said.

1154
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,760
I faced the choice.
On the one hand, I could leave

1155
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,040
quietly and just say oh sorry
about that.

1156
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,240
And just it.
Doesn't matter who cares, right?

1157
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,520
Or or, he said with your two
voices acting as my conscience

1158
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,480
go out in a blaze of glory with
0 consequences as I didn't want

1159
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,240
to come back anyway.
Too hot and boring as a job, he

1160
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:27,760
said.
I chose the latter with a

1161
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,240
renewed sense of IDGAF ISM,
which I'm not going to say out

1162
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:32,760
loud if you can work out the
acronym yourself.

1163
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,680
With the hopes and dreams of all
those teachers stuck with

1164
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,000
leaders like this, I thought
this was my small chance to

1165
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,160
challenge the the idiocy of
daring to allow teachers the

1166
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,920
autonomy to not wear suit
jackets on a day where the

1167
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,800
temperature was, I repeat, 25��
in a school with 0 ventilation.

1168
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,240
I said.
Oh, that makes absolutely zero

1169
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:54,840
sense as a policy.
And perhaps that's something

1170
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,760
that should be looked at by the
insert name of the chain here.

1171
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,720
Overlords.
How?

1172
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,160
Funny.
Is that brilliant?

1173
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,120
How?
Funny.

1174
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,720
The member of staff froze for a
second, a look of confusion and

1175
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,240
horror in her face, as though
her brain had momentarily

1176
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,200
malfunctioned and needed a
manual reset.

1177
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,440
And she's put, she said.
But but the policy very clearly

1178
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,160
states that you have to ask a
member of SLT to remove your

1179
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,960
jacket.
Unbelievable.

1180
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,520
I paused.
I watched her face contort and

1181
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,120
shrivel with a genuine sense of
anger and echoed the words of

1182
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,400
you 2 Maybe, just maybe, the
policy is a load of.

1183
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,080
Yeah, you're saying that?
Yes.

1184
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Safe to say I wasn't contacted
again to complete any more

1185
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,560
invigilation work, but I left
with a warmth in my heart that

1186
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,600
I'd done a small part sow a seed
of doubt in the policy police

1187
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,920
types of leaders.
Thank you for continuing to

1188
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,960
share common sense ideas and
fingers crossed teachers realise

1189
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,520
that they have autonomy to push
back against bullied being

1190
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,960
bullied by these specimens.
Believable.

1191
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,040
The idea of a miniature like 5
inch hater on someones shoulder

1192
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,920
and I'm on the other side both
saying the same thing, Yeah.

1193
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:03,720
It's not the.
Two devils.

1194
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,080
That is an unbelievable story
and okay, that's hilarious.

1195
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,400
And actually, there's an
argument to say that's warranted

1196
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,440
in that case, but that's the
ultimate version of what we're

1197
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,000
talking about in terms of you
don't have to just go into if,

1198
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,760
if, if that is an actual problem
from a actual adult human to

1199
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,560
another adult professional.
Yeah, who's doing a job?

1200
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,120
There's only one person in the
wrong there.

1201
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,040
If there's only one person in
the wrong, and it's it's that

1202
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,760
SLT member who's like.
You ask an SLT member, do you

1203
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,560
think I'm a child?
Yeah.

1204
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040
What do you mean you ask an SLT?
No one.

1205
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,720
Do you think we're preparing you
for the real world?

1206
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,120
If that's what you think is a
normal aspect of someone's job.

1207
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Are you insane?
I can't believe it.

1208
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,440
Crazy.
I couldn't believe it.

1209
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,400
That's one of my favourite
e-mail.

1210
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,560
I think we get some
unbelievable.

1211
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,880
Yeah, we've got some such good
ones, but those ones, I'm glad

1212
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,440
when I can get them before you
see them.

1213
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,840
Yeah, yeah.
I just think, oh man, I've got,

1214
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,600
I've got to save it.
It's nice for me to like, not

1215
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,120
know what's coming with the
podcast every now and then.

1216
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,200
So oh.
Here we go.

1217
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,560
I couldn't go 11 podcast.
That would be horrible.

1218
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,960
It's nice every now and then for
that to happen, dude.

1219
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,320
Guys, do get in touch with us.
It's our e-mail

1220
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,720
teachseekrepeatpod@gmail.com or
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1221
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,240
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1222
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,040
Podcast and get you get in touch
if you have any confessions, any

1223
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,040
dilemmas, any stories like that,
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1224
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,800
And also follow our personal
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1225
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,880
Now, if you want to see some
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1226
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,720
If you want to see it reposted
on mine, follow mine as well.

1227
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,280
You know, get involved.
Go have a look in the bio.

1228
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,360
We're going to have another very
quick Jingle before we get into

1229
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,760
a nice little Q&A from our
lovely listeners who've got in

1230
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,240
touch.
With us.

1231
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,800
Love it.
All right, so sporadically on

1232
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,960
the Instagram every now and
then, I'll say hit us up with

1233
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,520
some questions we can answer
from the podcast.

1234
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,800
Did it recently.
You guys did not disappoint as

1235
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,680
always.
So do get involved because we do

1236
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,560
use them.
I'm going to start off reading

1237
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,680
some questions.
Some of them are, as always,

1238
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,160
quite serious, good topics.
Some of them are absolutely

1239
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,400
hilarious nonsense.
So we'll get in there.

1240
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,520
I want to start off with
something dead serious and this

1241
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,800
honesty.
This was this this question, I

1242
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,640
piqued my interest straight away
and I thought, oh, that's such a

1243
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,640
good question.
OK.

1244
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,240
And this is actually from one of
our tutors who we work with.

1245
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,200
OK.
So this question is, do you ever

1246
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,760
regret becoming a teacher?
Was there another career path

1247
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
that you wish you took?
And I said, that's a deep

1248
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,120
question.
It's really deep.

1249
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,240
Do you try and guess?
Who that is?

1250
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:18,400
I'm thinking who that wrote
that.

1251
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,440
Yeah, I'll tell you that.
Do I realise that's so hard?

1252
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,520
Have there been moments where
I've regretted it?

1253
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,720
Probably Right.
Do I like Because maybe I've had

1254
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:30,240
a really stressful day.
OK, but is that do you regret?

1255
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,520
I know that's what I'm saying.
Like do I deep like, no, I don't

1256
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,520
think I do.
I don't think like deep down you

1257
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,960
get you get base level me.
I'm not having like a super

1258
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,680
stressed day.
I'm not having a really euphoric

1259
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,480
day.
I don't think I regret it

1260
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,440
because I I very much see like
this is going to sound really

1261
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,040
corny, right, But what whatever
you do in life, right, it's just

1262
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,440
a sum of all your achievements
before, isn't it?

1263
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,480
I feel like I'm happy with where
I am right now.

1264
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,520
I'm really pleased with the
stuff we're doing and I and I

1265
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,440
just simply wouldn't be exactly
right here in my life situation

1266
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,200
without everything before it
happening.

1267
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,040
So I don't regret being a
teacher.

1268
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:02,760
You wouldn't have a teacher
podcast if you weren't a

1269
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,520
teacher.
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't

1270
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,520
know.
It's a package.

1271
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,240
Isn't it?
I find it hard to separate.

1272
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480
I find the whole thing hard
because if I think about if I

1273
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,440
didn't become a teacher, right,
I wouldn't have met my partner

1274
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,640
and had my child.
Yeah, that's what I mean.

1275
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,960
So it's I find it really hard to
separate.

1276
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:22,240
If we're talking purely, purely,
nothing changes at all apart

1277
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,480
from the fact you just chose to
go and take your career a little

1278
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,920
bit, a little bit then because I
do look back and I think, I

1279
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,120
think.
Classic 8 I didn't know what I

1280
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,000
wanted to do and when I was 21
I'd finished, you know, I'd

1281
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,560
managed to to long out another
three years of not knowing what

1282
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,320
the hell I wanted to do by doing
a media degree.

1283
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,080
Getting into 40 grand, what's a
debt?

1284
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,720
Yeah, getting 40 grand of debt
and not knowing what you're

1285
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,560
doing.
And then, and then I was just

1286
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,080
desperate to find something in
all honesty.

1287
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,080
And I and I and I maybe I
latched onto it too quick.

1288
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,040
So I, I, there's been lots of
moments that I've loved in this

1289
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,920
career and I genuinely love
teaching kids.

1290
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,600
I feel like maybe maybe this was
meant to be, maybe this was a

1291
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,520
career meant to be.
But could I have, if you, if you

1292
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,440
value different things like I
don't know, maybe I'd be in a

1293
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,640
bigger house, have a bit more
money.

1294
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,320
Like I could have gone and done
mathematics.

1295
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,440
That was the other thing I was
good at.

1296
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,840
And maybe there was a job that
maybe have been a successful

1297
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,360
accountant or something, but.
It's just one aspect, isn't it?

1298
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,320
Yeah, it's one aspect and I do
genuinely also think in life

1299
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,680
that it's so easy to believe the
grass is greener.

1300
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,560
The grass is always green on the
other side and I constantly see

1301
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,320
people making decisions and then
and then three years later

1302
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,160
realising that they don't feel
any more happy and in fact they

1303
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,680
have probably maybe even
preferred what they've done

1304
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,560
before, whether it's like moving
to a different location or

1305
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,080
getting a different job or
whatever.

1306
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,600
So I think it was a deep
question.

1307
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,080
I had to kind of explore it out
loud with you.

1308
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,760
I think ultimately I'm going to
stick with I don't regret being

1309
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,520
a teacher.
I have thoroughly, thoroughly

1310
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,520
enjoyed the majority of this
career.

1311
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,800
Yeah, completely agree with you.
I I agree with you.

1312
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,360
I don't regret it because I
absolutely love it.

1313
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,400
I, I feel at home when I'm
teaching genuinely.

1314
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,880
So like what I mean, I, oh, I
might have got that in a

1315
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,680
different job, I might not have.
I don't know.

1316
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,640
What do I enjoy?
I enjoy being creative.

1317
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,400
I and I get to do that in
teaching.

1318
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,000
I get to do that with the
podcast, I get to do that on

1319
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,880
social media, etcetera.
I like the idea of performance.

1320
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,920
I'm performing all of the time.
I love maths.

1321
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,280
I love, I love, like, I love
quizzes and knowledge.

1322
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,960
And it's like it's the ultimate
amalgamation of.

1323
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,400
Everything.
I love being liked by everybody.

1324
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,440
I know you.
Didn't you get a lot of that?

1325
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,040
You get a lot of that.
There's a lot of people around

1326
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:09,560
there that are like.
You.

1327
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,120
So yeah, ultimately, no, I don't
regret it for all the reasons

1328
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,720
you're saying.
But will I do this job forever?

1329
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,840
No.
So I, I think that's a different

1330
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,440
question.
I think it's easy to conflate

1331
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,560
the fact that I know I won't
teach forever.

1332
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,880
No.
And I will choose one day to

1333
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,880
stop doing it.
Yeah.

1334
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,000
I I I.
That doesn't mean I don't

1335
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,360
regret.
It.

1336
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,240
Yeah, that's the thing, isn't
it?

1337
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,600
I was sort of thinking, is it
sustainable?

1338
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,720
Will I be teaching for much
longer?

1339
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:28,920
Honestly.
No, seriously.

1340
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,760
But I don't regret it.
Oh, go on, tell me who it was.

1341
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,840
I'm sure they remind.
It was Chloe.

1342
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:32,880
Chloe.
Thanks, Chloe.

1343
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,480
Good.
Question.

1344
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,000
I know Chloe, lovely Chloe,
right.

1345
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,960
Next question.
It's it's 2 for one, and I'm

1346
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,840
going to start off with the
funny version of the question.

1347
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,520
Serious one.
This ones from Luke is the

1348
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,520
podcast too focused on teach and
not enough on sleep.

1349
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,600
Both both both titled equally.
Is focused too much on repeat.

1350
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,000
We're saying the same things
ever again.

1351
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,680
Yeah, that's funny.
But the the real question from

1352
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,280
Miss M creates on Instagram, how
do you get enough sleep as a

1353
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,760
teacher?
And I thought, OK, actually,

1354
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,520
these are great questions put
back-to-back.

1355
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,560
I mean, we have sleep in the
title, Hayden as a teacher.

1356
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,680
Let's just take away the fact
that we're parents now and

1357
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,080
sleep's a foregone member.
Oh you ruined my joke.

1358
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,520
I'm sorry.
I was going to say step one.

1359
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,400
Don't have?
Kids, yeah, ignore all that.

1360
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,280
Let's just go back yo sleep.
How do you get enough of sleep?

1361
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,040
Because, you know, we're working
late and again, some people do

1362
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,040
prefer working in the evenings,
etcetera.

1363
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,840
I, I feel like that's a question
that's in most careers, it's

1364
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,600
easy to not get enough sleep.
Yeah.

1365
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,400
How, how do you, I don't, I
don't want to be patronising or

1366
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,240
condescending because I, because
I feel like the answer is quite

1367
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,320
simple of just no, but no.
But it's good to know because

1368
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,400
again, I don't think you're
being condescending because some

1369
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,080
people do struggle.
With it, I, I think you have to

1370
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,000
work, just work.
If you struggle with it, work

1371
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,600
exclusively work on your
boundaries.

1372
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,440
I think you just have to work on
your personal boundaries.

1373
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,800
You have to make a work life
balance.

1374
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,880
And if your work life balance is
not there, that it's affecting

1375
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,280
your sleep, which means it's
affecting you right up until the

1376
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,760
end of your day.
And I think that's a wider

1377
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,280
problem there that that your
work life, but your work is

1378
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,520
seeping into your lifeway too
much and there needs to be

1379
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,560
stricter rules.
Everything we talk about all the

1380
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,080
time on this podcast about
getting control of your life and

1381
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,360
getting control of your work
life balance and learning to say

1382
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,320
no to things and doing
everything that you can do to

1383
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,840
keep on top of that I think
should be your highest priority

1384
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,240
if it's affecting your sleep, in
all honesty.

1385
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,800
So you're, you're what we're
essentially saying here is it's

1386
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,000
a, it's a work problem, not a
sleep problem for a lot of

1387
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,160
people.
It's, it's like the the, the act

1388
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,880
of not being able to sleep.
If you if you struggle with

1389
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,000
sleeping in general, but you've
got time to do it that you need

1390
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,600
to sleep specialist.
Yeah, I was gonna say go to the

1391
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,840
doctors.
Yeah, but if it if it's

1392
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,560
impacting because your work, you
have to say no.

1393
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,760
Yeah.
And that that's the ultimate

1394
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,400
thing that comes down to us.
Like honestly, like that e-mail

1395
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,240
we just read.
Yeah, that person decided had to

1396
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,440
as a fork in the road.
They could have just gone now,

1397
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,200
OK, and carried on with your
life and that person carried on.

1398
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,960
Or sometimes you take a stand
and you don't need to make maybe

1399
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,920
say it like that person did.
Sure, I think it was brilliant.

1400
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,440
But same as you're asleep,
you're not getting enough sleep.

1401
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,480
You have to turn around and be
like, OK, like what can I get

1402
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,040
rid of then?
You know, little things because

1403
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,680
I don't think I get enough sleep
now, even even ignoring the fact

1404
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,160
I've got a child because I still
choose to.

1405
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,520
A big thing for me is I get
annoyed that I don't get my own

1406
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,040
time as much.
So therefore I will justify

1407
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,320
staying up instead of going to
bed at half nine when I probably

1408
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,320
should.
Do I need enough sleep?

1409
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,320
I'll stay up to half 11 because
in my head I'm like, no, no, I'm

1410
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,920
going to have those two hours
because they're my two hours.

1411
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,520
And I don't care if I'm just sat
on YouTube watching something or

1412
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,280
maybe there's a new show that
I'm going to put on in the

1413
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,520
background, or maybe I'm just
sitting doing nothing for a bit

1414
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,760
or reading a book because that's
my time.

1415
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,960
But then that detriment's been
the long run because I'm tired

1416
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:24,760
the next.
Day exactly.

1417
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,880
I was going to say my last point
here is if you need any words of

1418
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,560
encouragement because you know
what, it's tough to say no.

1419
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,440
Not everyone's predisposed to
just say no.

1420
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Maybe maybe that's keeping you
up all night because you're

1421
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,880
thinking I'm going to, I'm going
to have a conflicting, I'm going

1422
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,800
to have a conflict at school
tomorrow and it's really

1423
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,720
weighing you down.
The only encouragement I, I can

1424
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:42,160
give you is that if you, if you
feel like it will negatively

1425
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,880
impact your school or your class
because you're maybe they're not

1426
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,680
doing as much work as you're
doing, I'm telling you right

1427
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,600
now, tired teachers don't
perform as well as as well slept

1428
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,080
teachers.
You need to, you're being not

1429
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,400
tired.
Being energetic is genuinely

1430
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,640
going to impact your class in a
more positive way than it will

1431
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,360
do if you're like, Oh yeah, I
did that extra mark and change

1432
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,720
those slides and change that
font, but I am really tired now.

1433
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,440
So like, it's a good thing not
to be tired.

1434
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,600
You should absolutely set
boundaries.

1435
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,080
You're a better teacher if you
have a really healthy work life

1436
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,880
balance and have good sleep.
So try and try and work towards

1437
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,520
that, on the idea that I'm going
to be an even better teacher

1438
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,840
teacher if I nail this.
That's all I can say really.

1439
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,960
Okay, brilliant.
Next question you will know who

1440
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,360
this is from.
Okay, if you are a kebab

1441
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,640
fitting, what would you be and
why?

1442
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,080
The real problem is here,
there's so many people that take

1443
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,840
the nick out of me that I don't
know who this is wrong.

1444
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,160
That mystery, I'm gonna leave it
a mystery.

1445
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,080
And if they're listening, they
can, they can reply and reach

1446
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,200
out to you on your personal
Instagram, Mr Hayden Stevens.

1447
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,000
Should we just repeat this?
Extremely serious.

1448
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,280
Question.
Very very serious question.

1449
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,160
If you were a kebab fitting
because it's the teach, seek

1450
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,680
kebab, repeat.
Come on, if you were a kebab

1451
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,120
fitting, what would you be and
why?

1452
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,440
Oh, I think I'm gonna be the
chicken cheese.

1453
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,600
What the actual chicken is.
I mean, I'm the chicken Cheech

1454
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:52,960
baby.
The main bit.

1455
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,800
The bit that everybody likes.
OK, leave me alone.

1456
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,320
Chicken cheese grilled to
perfection, Mr Kebab head there

1457
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,240
now.
Sorry.

1458
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,880
It's just a it's a promo itself.
Just I had work been working on

1459
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,200
it.
All right.

1460
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,680
Oh gosh, I would be the rapper,
the pitter, because I hold

1461
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,520
everything together.
Well done.

1462
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,760
OK.
Who's it from?

1463
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:11,600
Come on.
No, no, no.

1464
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,440
I'm going to reach out and
Hayden can't get it.

1465
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,880
You got to work out, man.
Right.

1466
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,040
Next one again.
This, this was this was a theme

1467
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,960
of a few questions.
One one of them was worded like,

1468
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,000
what's the best way to get rid
of OK, so that was hilarious.

1469
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,520
But the idea here is if you have
a toxic boss at work, OK, but at

1470
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,120
school or otherwise, and you,
you you can't quit.

1471
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,680
Yeah, I'll quit and go to
somewhere you can't for whatever

1472
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,680
reason.
There's no, there's not a job

1473
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,280
somewhere else, not a situation,
not a situation where you can

1474
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,920
quit.
OK, but you have a toxic boss.

1475
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:47,400
What is your advice to that
person?

1476
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,920
Like, because ultimately the
e-mail we read earlier, that guy

1477
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,920
could do that because he's
walking out the door and never

1478
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,400
coming back.
Yet no consequences.

1479
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,040
What what is genuinely your
advice to someone now is saying

1480
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,760
guys I listen to your stuff and
you're spot like that.

1481
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,000
You are right that it's toxic
but I work here and this pays my

1482
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,440
mortgage and I can't go anywhere
else.

1483
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,800
I'm staying for at least three
more years.

1484
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,880
What can I do?
Fight fire with fire, baby out

1485
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,200
toxic them out toxic them all
the way to the moon.

1486
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,840
I know that's a very big
question.

1487
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,160
I think and it and it you've
got, OK, firstly, it's probably

1488
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,480
going to be mostly case by case.
Depending on what the toxic

1489
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,840
behaviour is like with some
situations, it might be that

1490
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
it's just like mildly toxic and
you can just have a conversation

1491
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,000
and squash it.
The awkwardness with that

1492
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,280
conversation might be enough for
them to be like, oh, I didn't

1493
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,080
really think about this before.
If they're being ultra, ultra

1494
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,240
toxic, I think you have to go
down the proper channels.

1495
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,560
I think you have to just do it.
I think you just have to

1496
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,560
sometimes you don't want to be
like, it's like when you're at

1497
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,360
school, right?
There's this, the culture, I

1498
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,040
feel like, of like being a narc.
It's like, oh, you're you're the

1499
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,400
one telling.
Oh, don't be that.

1500
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Why are you such a telltale?
Don't be the one that tells and

1501
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,160
it spoils everything.
There's this feeling, I feel

1502
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,280
like for our culture where you
grow up and I still have that in

1503
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,360
me somewhat where it's like, I
don't know you.

1504
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,360
You don't want to be the one
that's like going rocking the

1505
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,240
boat and challenging it.
I'll just leave it.

1506
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,480
Why are you telling on them?
Why go to a union?

1507
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,160
I feel like that now and I'm
quite confident.

1508
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,760
I can imagine a lot of people
feel that pressure.

1509
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,440
I don't be that guy.
I don't be that person that does

1510
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,920
that.
But you just have to, when it

1511
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,800
gets to the point that's
impacting your life and probably

1512
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
everyone else is, if there's a
really toxic person at the, at

1513
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,160
the leadership point, then
you've just got to be brave and

1514
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,080
be like, cool, I'm going to go
above you.

1515
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,960
You're irrelevant to me now
because you're being toxic.

1516
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,120
And that needs to be taken care
of.

1517
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,240
I can't talk to you.
So I'm going to do go through

1518
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,720
all the proper channels, go to
the unions, go to the governors,

1519
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,160
go to the local council,
whatever it is that is in your

1520
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,040
power to do and really challenge
it and stick up for yourself and

1521
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,280
say, hi, I'm, I am speaking on
behalf of a lot of people at

1522
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,880
this school.
This is what we're challenging.

1523
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,240
This is I accept what needs to
change.

1524
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,160
You'd hold me accountable
because you're my boss in this

1525
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,680
job.
I'm holding you accountable now

1526
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,040
because you're not doing your
job properly.

1527
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,640
And we're just at the end of the
day, we walk out of this school

1528
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,560
and we're just people.
It's easy to think put people on

1529
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,440
pedestals sometimes or they've
got this big important job.

1530
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,160
It is just a human being though.
They're just another human being

1531
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,840
going like you, going home like
they, they're happy to challenge

1532
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,400
you and pick you up.
You are, you should be happy to

1533
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,280
challenge them, pick them up
because they're just doing a job

1534
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,360
like you.
So fill yourself with a bit of

1535
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,960
confidence and just just do it.
It's those two prongs for me.

1536
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,920
Prong one, get people with you
to do some kind of thing in a

1537
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,520
group.
That's always good for people.

1538
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,800
Because if, if it's a truly
toxic workplace, then it is all

1539
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,600
going to be for a lot of people
get a group of 678 of you who

1540
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,320
say this isn't acceptable
numbers or you do less of

1541
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,920
something else.
And, and I would push back on

1542
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,840
the question itself where it
says I can't quit.

1543
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,920
My argument would be that
there's, there's going to be

1544
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,960
very few situations where you
actually can't quit.

1545
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,000
Like, you know, I know it's
scary to quit sometimes, but

1546
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,160
they'll, you know, they'll be
different job.

1547
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,600
If it is that toxic.
It does actually get to the

1548
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,760
point where you do just have to
quit because there are other

1549
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,560
jobs you can find if it's that
bad and you've tried different

1550
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,160
things else.
Your life is more important than

1551
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,720
it's true.
But get it?

1552
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,520
You're totally understand that
that is can be really hard.

1553
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,920
You can be in a very tricky
situation.

1554
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,560
It might mean that quitting is
OK.

1555
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,120
It's not immediate, but it might
take a year or two.

1556
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,360
You can certainly start looking.
Yeah, brilliant.

1557
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,360
OK, let's do one more.
All right.

1558
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,920
What are your thoughts on
teacher recruitment and the

1559
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,320
process around it, especially
day long interviews?

1560
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,320
So as in putting to context, I'm
going for a job at a school just

1561
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,240
the the the interview that
process of doing today.

1562
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,280
So they might, they might for
example, say, I think

1563
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,720
specifically like what should it
look like?

1564
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,440
Because you again, you're
getting quite different.

1565
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,520
Some schools it'll be you come
in for you teach half an hour of

1566
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,160
a maths lesson and have a 15
minute interview.

1567
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,240
Other schools it's all day.
You've got to write a policy,

1568
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,320
you've got to run an assembly,
you've got to meet student

1569
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,600
council groups.
You've got to then have an you,

1570
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,200
some, some people set a SAT
test.

1571
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,520
So where's the line here?
Like how?

1572
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,240
How in depth should an interview
process be for finding a good

1573
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,360
teacher?
I think it's a tricky 1 because

1574
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,080
I don't want to put, I actually
don't think we should put a

1575
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,480
specific measure on it.
I think people, I think leaders

1576
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:42,800
have very different skill sets,
right?

1577
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:47,240
I think some leaders are
unbelievably adept at like,

1578
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,080
understanding someone's
personality in five.

1579
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,800
Members What recruitment?
Basically in recruitment

1580
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,000
basically, and other people, it
takes them a bit longer to get

1581
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,920
to the same result.
So I don't want to penalise

1582
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,640
people and say yeah, leader, it
should be this exact thing.

1583
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,320
And if you can't do it, tough,
you've got to employ someone

1584
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,320
that you've got to take a
gamble.

1585
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,040
There's probably a cap
somewhere.

1586
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,760
I think a full day is probably
the maximum.

1587
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,120
I think it gets a bit out.
You see, so just genuinely of

1588
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,320
interest, you think a full day's
interview is acceptable for a

1589
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,560
teacher role?
Yeah, I think I, I genuinely

1590
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,240
think it is.
I think because it's such a a

1591
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,440
permanent role you'd like.
Isn't every job?

1592
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Yeah, in a, in a way, I think, I
think with teaching it is you're

1593
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,680
very locked in.
Like it's, it's, you can't like

1594
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,520
in a lot of private enterprises,
you can't just sort of fire

1595
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,160
people if they, if they're not
meeting simple KPIs and things

1596
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,000
like you're not firing a teacher
for many reasons.

1597
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,960
Realistically, especially even
if they're not, even if they're

1598
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,600
underperforming in their job,
you're not, you're not firing a

1599
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,480
teacher.
You've got to be really, really

1600
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,800
sure when you hire a teacher.
I don't necessarily, if it was

1601
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,040
me, I don't think I'd need a
whole day of interviews.

1602
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,960
I think I'd want to see someone
teach for maybe half an hour and

1603
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,120
then have a good conversation
with them and that personally

1604
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,680
for me would probably be enough
to judge.

1605
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
I think the.
Teaching almost it's like all

1606
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,800
you're doing with the teaching
is making sure they can't teach

1607
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,400
because it's really hard to
judge on a one off lesson.

1608
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,880
Someone could pull out a
blinder, but you don't really

1609
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:55,920
know what you're getting there
today.

1610
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,600
So I guess, I guess my my only
push back here would be like how

1611
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,920
useful are the things you're
doing?

1612
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,800
Everything you do has to be for
a reason in my opinion.

1613
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,360
For a reason for sure, and.
Alongside that is, you know,

1614
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,880
I'm, I'm going to ask you now,
do you think a school has a

1615
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,880
responsibility to streamline
that as much as they can,

1616
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,560
knowing that there are people
out there who honestly apply for

1617
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,920
like 8 scores in a row, don't
get it, and are putting in

1618
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,280
basically two weeks of free work
on interviews if they're all day

1619
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,040
long?
Or do you just think that's just

1620
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:23,800
the game?
Whatever.

1621
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,520
Yeah, I think I'm probably
probably got a different

1622
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,680
opinions of what you think.
No, I don't.

1623
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,320
Yeah, but I think it's pretty
much the game.

1624
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,000
I think I think a day is
probably pushing on being a bit

1625
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,200
excessive, but I don't think
it's that crazy really when

1626
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,480
you're looking for a permanent
teaching job that I imagine on

1627
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,160
average, I don't know what the
average is, but I imagine it's

1628
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,600
years that people stay in these
jobs.

1629
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,520
I don't think a day is a
necessary, but certainly if

1630
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,800
you're you are going from one
school to another, I know that

1631
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,600
those days are generally paid as
well because you'll be paid.

1632
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,400
I can't remember how it works,
but I'm pretty sure you don't

1633
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,480
have to take an unpaid day to go
do an interview at another

1634
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,600
school.
I'm sure that either that school

1635
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,400
subsidises it for your school
because you've been at theirs or

1636
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,760
it gets paid like so.
I don't even think there's a.

1637
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:58,600
Well, you haven't got a job yet
if.

1638
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,920
You haven't got a job yet.
I don't think you do.

1639
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,560
Yeah, I think you just have to
take you just have to take the

1640
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,240
hit.
It's unpaid, but presumably you

1641
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,120
haven't got a job.
So anyway, I don't know.

1642
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,120
I'm not, I'm not too bothered
about it.

1643
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,520
I imagine most schools don't do
whole days anyway.

1644
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,200
But if they do, I'd I'd probably
just challenge a little bit and

1645
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,760
be like, OK, which would work.
What?

1646
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,680
It depends what it is.
Because if they, if they're

1647
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,480
justifying the whole day as
well.

1648
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,560
You're applying for this really
intricate job that is like you

1649
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,120
are going to be writing policies
and you are going to be the

1650
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,880
leader of this subject and
you're going to be in the

1651
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,720
classroom three days a week and
you're going to be a deputy for

1652
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,200
one day.
And they were like, we need a

1653
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,360
whole day to explore this.
I'd be like, fair enough, but if

1654
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,880
it's just a classroom teacher,
right.

1655
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,640
OK.
I would OK that.

1656
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:31,440
There you go.
There's my line.

1657
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,320
There's my line.
If it was just a classroom

1658
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,200
teacher.
Oh, just if you're so rude to me

1659
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,120
and no other roles, right,
You're just going in.

1660
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,920
Does that existence teacher?
Yeah.

1661
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:39,360
OK.
Yeah.

1662
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,200
Then I think a day is excessive.
Half a day maximum to have the

1663
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,480
teaching part and an interview
and a conversation to get to

1664
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,680
judge characters would be
completely acceptable.

1665
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,360
Yeah, I, I, my, my view on
interviews are they're so

1666
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,680
limited anyway, but you could do
stuff, you know, bar them coming

1667
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,000
to work for you for two weeks.
You can't learn that much from

1668
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,800
an interview, whether it's an
hour, 2 hours or a day.

1669
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,600
I think the big thing for me in
terms of if I was recruiting for

1670
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,440
a school, I would want to see
what they're like around

1671
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,600
children.
Whether that's, you know, you

1672
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,640
know, part of the process would
be going on a tour of the

1673
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,040
school, maybe at break time, you
know, do they interact at all

1674
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,400
with the kid?
Do they look like the kids are

1675
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,160
below them kind of thing, Like
just the basic interaction, a

1676
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,640
little bit of teaching?
Maybe that's why they do a full

1677
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,640
day then, yeah, potentially all
those elements.

1678
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,200
But I feel like you can do that
a couple of hours because,

1679
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,320
again, teaching as well.
I'd be like, look, I don't need

1680
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,600
you to teach a maths lesson.
Yeah, All I want to see is your

1681
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:30,720
demeanour in front of the
children.

1682
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,640
But OK, cool.
I can get over in 10 seconds.

1683
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,040
Yeah.
Like then genuinely.

1684
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,720
Yeah.
And then the big one for me

1685
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,280
comes at the interview process
itself.

1686
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,760
I think that's where I would be
really getting an insight into

1687
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,320
their personality.
And I suppose for me that that

1688
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,720
would hold the biggest weight in
terms of, again, of course,

1689
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,240
everyone can fake every part of
an interview, but you can really

1690
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,880
dive into their answers and
their understandings of stuff.

1691
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,000
And I think that would be
important, I think, writing a

1692
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,600
policy.
Yeah, I can't, I think, Did I

1693
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,040
do.
I feel like I this is a long

1694
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,120
time ago now and I can't
remember if someone's told me

1695
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:03,840
this.
Oh, I actually did it.

1696
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,000
That's how bad my memory is.
But for an interview for a

1697
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,920
school, yeah, it was me, I had
to do a piece of writing.

1698
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,120
About how everyone likes me.
Yeah, everyone likes me.

1699
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,320
I had to actually do a piece of
writing.

1700
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,960
Like literally just a piece of
writing to show that I was

1701
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,480
competent.
Wow at English.

1702
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,400
That's it.
OK, so there's there were people

1703
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,320
saying yeah, OK, So what?
Yeah.

1704
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,120
So.
So you're.

1705
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,440
Yeah, if you're good, you've got
nothing to worry about.

1706
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,960
You've only got something to
worry about if you're crap at

1707
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,880
writing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1708
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,520
And it's like my gut instinct is
don't you dare insult me.

1709
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,200
But actually, you do need to be
able to have a certain level.

1710
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Yeah, it's like when people get
annoyed, like they made the

1711
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,480
teachers sit and do SAT papers.
And I'm like, OK, I understand

1712
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,480
how that is very condescending
for a lot of people.

1713
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,400
But if you score 30 out of 50 on
a SAT paper and you're a teacher

1714
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,600
teaching the SAT curriculum,
that is a problem.

1715
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,960
Yeah, that is a that is
terrible.

1716
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,520
Like, we should be doing it
honestly.

1717
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,120
Every year 6 teacher should get,
should get full marks in the

1718
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,440
SATS.
Yeah, you, you should, yeah, of

1719
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,880
course, because you're teaching
every single contents strand in

1720
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:02,760
that Sats paper.
Yeah.

1721
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,280
So like when people are like, Oh
yeah, wait, of course.

1722
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:08,120
I I I don't know that thing
should be 1/6 teacher then.

1723
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,000
Yeah.
And if you don't know it, you

1724
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,160
need to learn it sort of quickly
before you teach it, really.

1725
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,840
I'm a surgeon and I don't know
how to do the lungs.

1726
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,480
I'm sorry.
We we have got to do a lung

1727
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,440
operation though.
Yeah, quite an extreme analogy,

1728
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,040
but yeah, no, no.
What I mean is I feel like

1729
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,600
people will really not like that
point I'm making some people,

1730
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,560
but all I'm saying is, but there
is a line like I don't expect a

1731
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,480
year 6 teacher to know
everything about the Maya that

1732
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:30,560
they're doing.
They're going to teach in the

1733
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,560
afternoon.
That would that's too far.

1734
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,520
I think that's, I think that's
not necessary.

1735
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,480
I think you should teach
yourself stuff before you teach

1736
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,160
the lesson and be at a certain
level.

1737
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,160
But I do think in general you
need a really solid

1738
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,760
understanding of the key Stage 2
curriculum, especially in your

1739
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,120
maths and your English, which
you teach every single day.

1740
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,600
I think it has to be
enlightened.

1741
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,640
I think with a lot of year six
teachers just put back on this a

1742
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,360
little bit more.
I think with English, maybe

1743
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,440
there are lots of little nuances
that you pick up by being a year

1744
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,480
6 teacher.
And maybe when you start the

1745
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,560
year, maybe you do year 6 for
the first time, right or

1746
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,880
something.
You might go into year six.

1747
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,320
Yeah.
So I don't think it's

1748
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,280
objectively bad that they might
not know all of it straight

1749
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,360
away, but I think as long as
they make a conscious effort

1750
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,640
that by the end of that year,
they've always been one step

1751
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,040
ahead of the kids with the
things.

1752
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,800
Yeah, at least.
Yeah, I do think it's better to

1753
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,000
know all of it because because
so much of education is like

1754
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,000
passive things.
You drop in before you've even

1755
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,680
taught that thing.
There'll be some things that you

1756
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,000
might not know that you think I
would have been useful if I knew

1757
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,520
that two months ago.
Actually, now I think about it

1758
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,280
now, when we did that bit of
writing, I kind of wish I knew a

1759
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,760
bit more about passive voice, so
I could have really referenced

1760
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,280
the fact that this author kept
doing it.

1761
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,400
It makes you a much better
teacher to have that big

1762
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:32,720
knowledge and you build that
over time.

1763
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,480
And I'm happy to admit that.
I just think there has to be a

1764
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,920
line where it's like, OK, you,
you need to be able to complete

1765
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,400
a year 6 maths tax paper to be a
teacher.

1766
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,240
Of course you do.
Like, are we pretending you're

1767
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,960
like, come on, Who?
You don't really.

1768
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,840
You're going to tell me you
don't like, Oh, I can't really,

1769
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,080
I can't.
I'm not very good with time

1770
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,320
problems.
Why are you a teacher then?

1771
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,240
Genuinely, I'm not.
I'm not sure.

1772
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,960
There has to be a line.
There has to be a line.

1773
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,520
And again, you can be not very
good at it.

1774
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,960
Please, please, please don't
misconstrue what I'm saying.

1775
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,920
You're allowed to be less
confident with maths and not

1776
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,480
very good at it.
You have to have a way of

1777
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,320
working out the answer because
you're going to be teaching kids

1778
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,800
to do the same thing.
I think there's power in being a

1779
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,840
teacher actually, who didn't
like maths and wasn't very good

1780
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,680
at it, but is now a teacher
because the power is how are we

1781
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,600
going to get over that and still
be able to to do it?

1782
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,560
So you, you have to be able to
do it.

1783
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,720
Yeah, it's it's.
Simple, Yeah, No, I think so.

1784
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,560
Mass is different to English as
well, I think.

1785
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,319
Yeah, sure, sort of long term, I
do.

1786
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,319
I do think it's better if you've
got a year 4 teacher that

1787
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,240
genuinely knows the end of year
6 expectations really well and

1788
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:30,600
they know exactly how to do all
those things.

1789
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,960
I do think it probably bleeds
into their teaching a little

1790
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,359
bit.
Does it make the massive impact?

1791
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,640
Not really, but I think it is a
good thing to be able to do.

1792
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,399
But anyway, back to the original
sort of point where they're just

1793
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:40,040
wrap this.
Up Wrap this.

1794
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:43,720
Up wrapping it up, like
ultimately, I don't think I

1795
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,399
don't think there's much like to
stand on to be like really a

1796
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,840
whole day interviews.
I think you you could choose not

1797
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,479
to go to that school if you
think that's an indicator of

1798
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,800
them being a bit over the top.
But I don't really think it's

1799
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,560
that much of A Mickey take.
I don't like that interview.

1800
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,439
I don't like them.
That's the fact then, because I

1801
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:58,279
said it.
Fair enough.

1802
01:08:58,279 --> 01:08:58,760
There you go.
There.

1803
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,200
It's true.
Everything I said redacted.

1804
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,439
All gone because I want to be
liked by Dylan, so I need to

1805
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:03,840
have.
Oh yeah, yeah, the same opinion

1806
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:04,880
guys.
Think them out.

1807
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:05,920
Thank you so much for this
thing.

1808
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,760
Go and follow us, do all that
good stuff, leave a rating, blah

1809
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,000
blah blah, and we'll see you.
Next time, blah blah blah.