Ep 109: Teacher Behaviour Hacks & Do We Teach Reading BADLY In School?

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Hey, guys, Dylan here.
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Hayden, let's get started.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome
back to another episode of Teach

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Sleep, Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
Hayden.

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I'm all right.
I've had a terrible week.

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OK, straight in.
Let's.

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Terrible week.
Oh, the week was ruined.

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You know why?
Why?

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Because I dropped my head shaver
in the bath and broke it.

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So now, as you can see, if
you're if you're watching this,

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you might have the first thing
you might have thought is wow,

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isn't Hayden's hair getting long
and luscious?

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Yes, it is because I dropped my
shaver.

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But only on 50% of the scalp,
yeah.

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I did the top, luckily I did the
top bit where there's no hair

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anyway.
I'm sorry, why do you even shave

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the top of your?
Because it's it's fun.

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I like to see how how many wisps
of hair come off every.

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Week.
Yeah, it's low, it goes.

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Down.
So I did that a bit.

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I dropped it and now I've got
extremely long side.

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So yeah, my weeks row into
yours.

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So you're going for the monk
look, aren't you?

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Yeah.
I need to get the way around.

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Heading into the summer term
with all business at the back.

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Nice and cool on the top.
Oh, yeah, Get that sweat bead

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dripping off.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Excellent.

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Well, my week's been great.
None of my equipment's broken.

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Yeah.
Good.

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So that's been good.
But yeah, I don't know.

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We're back.
New time.

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So we're back at school now, and
I think most of the country are

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back this week.
There was a bit of a discrepancy

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whether some people finished a
week before someone else, but I

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heard we get 2 weeks off for
Easter.

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I heard on the Grapevine that
some places in the country are

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only getting one week.
Yeah.

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That's mad.
Sure, they get another week

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somewhere else.
They've got to because.

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It's 190 days that we've got to
teach and we know that don't.

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We all those northerners, you
should know this.

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Your roots are there.
I don't know, maybe I should put

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some some words.
If any of you are up north and

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broke up later than anyone else,
let us know.

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When are you going?
Back.

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What's going on?
But we're back as of today.

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Well, this is technically a bank
holiday.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's talk about that, shall we?

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How are you feeling about bank
holidays?

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Well, obviously we're recording
this a few days before then.

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Bank loyalties are great.
Obviously it's it's another it's

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just another day off.
But but I am going to be using

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this whole bank holiday to do
work.

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So I, I have, we've actually, so
our daughter River normally goes

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to my mum on a Monday and
Tuesday.

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She's going to go with my mum on
Monday still, because Laura and

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I rather you can't vote to
parent because we don't want to

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parent.
We're just lazy.

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Yeah, we're sort of distant
parents.

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No, rather than rather than
taking some of the half term

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which the holidays, which is
normally what happens to do

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work, we were like, if you can
have her on Monday, Lauren and I

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will just get all of our school
work done on Monday.

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So what better than spending a
bank holiday doing all of the

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pre work so that you can do your
work at your job.

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Just enough though, so that you
don't have to take home too much

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work from your job outside of
work in the week during the

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during work weeks.
You know what I mean?

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So it's like Bank of the
Mondays.

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Is it a holiday or is it a let's
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free?
Well, also, it's not even really

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a holiday because, you know,
lots of the bank holidays are

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kind of hidden in the school
holidays, right?

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Yeah, whole thing with teachers
most of the time are like, we

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don't even really get the bank
holiday.

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We're already off, we don't get
that extra bank holiday.

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And a lot of people go, well,
you've already got all that

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time.
That's a different argument.

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But what I want to say to people
is, yeah, even this time.

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So we're heading into for us a
five week term and two of those

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weeks have a bank holiday in
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So week one for us, which is the
day this episode released is a

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bank holiday.
And then in week 3 we've got a

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Bank Holiday Monday too.
So a lot of people again were

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like, are you lucky things
you're getting them in in term

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time this year?
Again, not really, because when

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they're not in term time, sorry,
when they're not in half term

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and they push into term time
like that, we still need to have

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190 days in school teaching the
children.

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Yeah, that's true.
So for example, we've got those

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two bank holidays this term, but
our final week in school is a

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Monday, Tuesday.
It's just two days.

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Yeah, that makes sense.
I never even thought about that.

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Of course, of course it's not
really a, it's not really a like

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a, a, an actual day back.
No, not at all.

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It's just a reshuffling of
exactly they.

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Just move it around a bit, we
get a bit longer maybe.

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Well, I tell you what, thanks
for ruining the very, very last

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perk that I could think of in
school.

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It's gone.
There's nothing left.

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Now, so that bank holiday you're
spending working, don't worry,

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it's just a normal day off Yeah,
it's not a bone, it's a.

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Normal day off and just spending
it working?

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Yes, come on.
Well, one thing whilst we're

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still kind of reflecting on
this, these holidays that we've

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got, we've just had two weeks
off and it's brilliant.

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It's needed.
Don't get me wrong.

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I do think at this time of the
year, having two weeks to fully

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reset really gets us ready for
that.

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Long rubbing it into those
northerners.

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No, yeah, I do.
I just did.

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It goes two weeks.
Oh, it's beautiful.

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You just need it.
You just need it.

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But I always say this, it's not
very relaxing for two reasons.

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One reason has always been the
same, but the newest one for us

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is being a parent.
It's like, oh, finally half

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time.
What's that?

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Still up at half four.
Yeah, because I've got Roar in

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the other room going.
Dad, Dad, mate, please, please,

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please.
If I leave you for 5 minutes, he

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might go back to sleep.
Of course he won't.

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No.
Dada, whack, whack.

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Dada.
OK, I'll go in.

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But it's nice.
It's nice because I think to

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myself, do you know what he's
saying?

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Dada.
OK, OK.

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It's really annoying, but OK, I
can go in.

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I go in there and he sees me.
After saying Dada for 5 minutes,

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he looks at me and goes Mama,
it's like no sorry mummy's

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mummy's asleep, mummy's in bed.
So it's my turn because we we

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alternate days.
It's my turn today and he'll

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just go.
No, no, Mama.

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Like, OK, so I'm up early and
you don't even want me.

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Yeah.
Do you know what you should do?

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You should always meet the needs
of a child.

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So you should absolutely go wake
up, Lauren.

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Every single time.
Sorry, Lauren.

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He wants you again.
He wants.

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What's going on?
It's every day.

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Eighth day in a row.
So don't you want Mama?

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Dada.
Darling, you're saying Mama, you

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just say Mama.
Dada always changed how he said

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Mama, doesn't he?
I'm up to, I'm up to sleep, I'm

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off to sleep, son.
But the, the other thing which

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has always been there is, is
just the whole, and this is

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going to sound ridiculous, but
admin, adult admin getting life

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done.
I mean, doing anything.

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So like I've been waiting for
what feels like months to like

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sort out my drawers and stuff in
the kitchen.

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Do you know those drawers that
just fill up with nothing?

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I mean, yeah, you, you're,
you're, you're on the worst end

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of that spectrum.
What do you mean?

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Like you are quite a cluttery
untidy.

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I don't know what you mean.
You put it on the drawer and

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it's all the way, then it's in
the drawer.

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Yeah, you're the kind of person,
though I'm trying to a good

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example of drawers.
Like it might be in the right

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drawer and there might even be a
space in that drawer for it.

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Yeah.
But you won't put it in that

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space.
You'll put it upside down front

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in another bit and you'll and
you'll put three other things on

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top of it and be like, oh.
But it's still away.

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Yeah.
And so I opened my drawer and

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I'd see things like, do you know
that green tape that helps you

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do decorating?
Yeah, that'll be next to like a

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paper clip.
Next to the paper clip will be

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one of his old bottle
sterilisers.

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OK, this is the drawers I.
Tell you what I tell you what,

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Dylan, I was around your house
the other day.

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You don't know this because you
went in the room and we were

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about to leave, go on a walk and
I said to Lauren, I said, oh,

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have you got any paracetamol?
I've got a bit of a headache and

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we went into your kitchen and we
bought over this massive drawer.

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Is that maybe first of all, it's
not even a yes or a no, It's a

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could be.
So no.

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And this that drawer was a tip
it had.

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It just made no sense.
It just had like random

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instructions in.
It made them.

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Old, old boxes of paracin or no
paracin momentum.

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Just the boxes.
You know you'll be taking them

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out.
But you might need them for you.

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Yeah, you might need those
boxes.

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You might need.
Those cardboard might fail,

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yeah.
Fortunately, the drawer, despite

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being completely full, had no
had no medication.

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So, well, you'll be pleased to
know part of my sorting there is

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now a medical draw which has
plasters and boxes and but and

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no, still everybody in the
house.

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But that's one thing, you know,
just getting a dentist

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appointment.
You just you're still reeling

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from the whole draw thing,
aren't you?

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Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just thinking of your

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house.
Yeah, go.

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On my house is a bomb site
anyway because of all the work

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that's been going on.
But anyway just doing adult

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stuff.
It's so much harder again with a

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child and I want to go back and
shake my 29 year old self by the

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shoulders and just say do this
stuff now whilst you can because

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I would just sit there and do
nothing about that clean that

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draw and that draw's fine.
Isn't half term lovely?

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I can just sit and watch Netflix
all day, mate.

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Go and do something because you
can't.

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You can't now.
You can't do it now.

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But yeah, adult admins.
Sucks and you hurt yourself

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every day, didn't you?
Oh.

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My God.
OK, this is when I knew I was

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old.
So yeah, I'm 31 now.

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Anyone listening?
And for a lot of people, it's

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quite sad to think that a lot of
people think he's over the hill.

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That's old enough.
But Oh, my God, in my 30s, I

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knew I was old yesterday when I
was emptying the bin and the bin

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it got, it got, you know, like
sometimes you take the bin liner

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out and it gets a bit caught.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I'm like, annoying, like
trying to reshape my bin to get

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it out because something's
getting caught.

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And I was pulling and I was
pulling and I was pulling and

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I've genuinely like pulled a
muscle in my shoulder.

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What the way?
It used to be, how did you get

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your shoulder injury?
Oh, I don't know.

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I was playing squash or
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I was doing something athletic.
When I had myself.

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I was taking a bin bag out of a
bin and it wouldn't come out.

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And I really had my shoulder to
the point last night I was lying

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there up asleep and I was
obviously drifting off.

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And I'd move and I would just
go, oh.

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No, and I bet you got no
sympathy.

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Lauren turned over.
Yeah, of course.

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He's like, is that Rory again?
Dasha is.

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That yeah.
Just remember, it's your turn to

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get up as well.
Mate, get on with it.

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Actually started passing empty
boxes of paracetamol.

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Go on, deal with it.
Oh look, you can help it with

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this.
Go on, take imaginary.

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Yeah, I'm sorry about that.
No, no, it's fine.

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But I'm ready.
I'm ready to go for this new

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time.
I like summer time because loads

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of stuff happens.
Yeah, we've got sports day

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coming up.
It's like the culmination of all

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your efforts as a teacher.
All seems to come together.

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And there's something nice about
when the weather just turns.

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We always say every year.
But oh, my God, just in my

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personal life, it makes me feel
better.

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Yeah.
And I just love it when the

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kids, the kids are happier.
Yeah, I'm happier.

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I finish my day at work and it's
still lovely outside.

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We can go into the field.
We can do bits and bobs like

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that.
I'm really excited, and the

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thing I love most about teaching
is being with the kids and

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helping them out.
And I feel like the summer term,

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yeah, it gets hot and stuffy in
the classroom, but it just gives

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so much more opportunity for the
kids to be happier and more

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content at school, and that
makes me happier as a teacher.

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We've got a gruelling 3 weeks
ahead.

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Most teachers in the country, if
you're in primary, you'll know.

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It's it's it's the Sats bit,
it's the bit where the year

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sixes dominate the school and
it's Sats.

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It's Sats coming up.
We've got three weeks of like

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left of revision, then it's
actual Sats.

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I like when when when year 6 do
really well with the Sats, the

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children.
It's like, wow, Year 6, 6,

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Aren't they amazing?
It's brilliant.

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But when they don't do as well,
it's like what's the whole

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school?
It's the key Stage 2 Sats.

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It's everyone.
Don't worry about it.

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Don't worry about it.
Did well, take all the credit,

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did badly.
It's everyone, Yeah.

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Everyone.
Fortunately I always do well so

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I take the credit every year.
Get over it mate, get over.

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It no, I always take the mic and
it's because you're a year 6

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teacher, but the pressure must
be unreal.

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It is nice to get it done, I'll
tell you that.

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Once it's done, I'm like, oh.
My do you still feel the

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pressure now like you used to
because you've been year 6 for a

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while?
But but do you still not even

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know you're in control of your
thoughts about it?

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And you can be like, well, I
know that I can.

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I can put this on this pedestal
here where I know it's

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important, but it's not going to
take over my life.

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Yeah.
Does it still seep?

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Through, though it's still
through a bit like, does it

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affect my workload?
Yeah, we'll do like literally

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on, you know, one of my jobs on
Mondays is to plan a bunch of

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extra maths, English.
And so in those, in those three

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weeks before we do, I'm going to
say a little low, is we do three

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extra maths lessons and three
extra English lessons basically

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in that whole three-week period.
A lot of schools will do 5.

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Weeks, honestly, some schools
will do like the whole term 3

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and term 4 doing boosters, all
of this so boring, so boring.

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So I've got to plan those and
that's different I suppose,

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rather than just using like some
top unit of like geography or?

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Something that we, but it's
coming to your plan like stress

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levels and stuff.
Yeah, your workload might

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increase a bit, but if you
managed to really control now

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where you're just like.
What's going to teach them?

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I don't care anymore.
Genuinely, it's not that I don't

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care.
I don't care.

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I don't care enough to get
stressed.

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Sure, like I, I know what I've
done with the kids is right.

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I know that I'll give them the
best possible that I can to help

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them.
I also know quoting us from

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literally like an episode ago is
that there is only so much

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difference we can make.
And in the last three weeks,

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there's only a very, very, very
small difference you can make on

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top of that small difference.
You know what I mean?

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Like it's three.
It's like people on, on Facebook

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at this point.
I, I always say every year the

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panic sets in or post things
like, Oh my, my reading data is

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really, really, really low,
especially reading.

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I want to get, I need to get it
up by like 20%.

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What can I do in these last
three weeks?

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What quick tips do you have?
Nothing.

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And honestly, people are always
polite and they'll try and do

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some like helpful advice, but
it's, I just want, I don't, I

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never do this, but I would like
to be like literally nothing.

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They had six years to get to
this point.

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What do you mean 3 weeks?
Why would you do a comment to

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one person on Facebook when you
can say to thousands of.

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People on the podcast, I can
just do it right here, I know

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because there's more nuances,
but when it's on Facebook, it

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feels like keyboard warrior but.
But there is not.

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There is nothing.
There's nothing.

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There's nothing.
What do you mean we're reading?

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Reading that thing that that
famously takes an unbelievable

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amount of time to master over
over time, you need like

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exposure to tonnes of books and
it's like you can't do anything

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in three weeks.
What you're talking?

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About with maths, I feel like
there are gaps you can fill.

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There's stuff you can do in
maths, like you can focus on

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arithmetic.
If if you know for example your

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children are really getting low
scores and they're long

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division, let's say you can do a
lesson or two, a long division

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which might, which might
actually boost some marks up.

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There's something tangible you
can do that.

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But even that, like if you've
got to this point and the

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children still can't do
something, you've probably done

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it a lot already.
Yeah, like it's it's going to be

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minimal movement at that point.
I mean, it's still worth doing.

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Whereas reading, it's like you
think of maths, right?

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All of the different micro
strands, we can do gap analysis

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and you can, like you said, you
can be like, OK, they can't do

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multiplying fractions, let's do
more of that reading.

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It's like since reception,
they've basically, they've done

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3 skills essentially.
There's a couple more that don't

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really come into the test that
much.

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They've done a word meaning
they've done retrieval and

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they've done inference.
They've had six years to do it.

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So what you're going to do in
these last three weeks to boost

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it suddenly get like double the
scores?

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Honestly, nothing, some test
technique maybe of like playing

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the game as they're not even,
you're not even doing anything

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to make them better readers at
this point.

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It's just like can you play the
game or familiarisation To get

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free marks you need to do 2
points and one with evidence.

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So if you know that kids and
you're more likely to get OK,

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it's like, yeah, all right,
yeah, that might make a bit of a

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difference, but you're not
actually going to improve that

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reading a bit.
But what's, yeah, what's the

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goal like?
The goal seems to shift to me.

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And this is where I don't like
our school culture in general.

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Not our school we work in, but
the school in this country,

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education culture, which is so
driven by numbers and data and

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scores and tests that that is
seen as a really good use of

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time.
Like it's seen as an amazing use

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of time from from leadership and
from schools that are trying to

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get good marks that yeah, you
know what?

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Yeah, we will do a lesson on
answering 3 mark questions

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objectively.
That's bloody nonsense.

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Yeah, it is.
Of course, there is absolutely

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no inherent skill or outcomes
for the children long term.

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Yeah.
That they get out of knowing how

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to answer A3 mark question in
the SAT's properly.

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That is pure technique, driven
exactly to the SAT only to

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improve SAT scores, which we've
made-up.

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Like we've made-up these tests.
Yeah, They're made-up by people.

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We have decided what these tests
look like.

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The framework questions could
look different.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And then we've been doing
something different.

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And you're right, because if the
goal is to create better

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readers, we would never spend a
minute doing anything like.

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No, of course, a single second.
I truly believe that as well.

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I've, I've, I mean, our leaders
at school must get sick of it

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because I've spouted the same, I
say I've said the same opinion

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for years and I constantly say
to people at our school, any

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other school talks about it,
stop teaching them test

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techniques, stop doing it.
Stop doing whole lessons on

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comprehension where they have a
one text and there's all

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retrieval questions.
It's boring.

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It's really, really boring.
Just literally encourage them to

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read, enjoy reading and
therefore get better at reading.

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And I like I always say, kids
that can read will pass the

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reading test.
Yeah, that there is no more to

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it.
But is it as simple as that?

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Because I'm But I know kids who
can read, who won't pass, and

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they can read.
But then they're not reading to

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the right standard.
That's what I'm saying.

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So when you say when you say a
statement like, yeah, kids who

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can read will pass the test,
that's untrue.

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Kids who can read at age
expected standard will pass the.

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Test.
Well, that's just the

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definition, isn't it?
Yeah, but so are you saying, are

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you saying without test
technique?

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Yeah, absolutely.
Because you only need half the

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marks to pass the test.
Yeah.

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So there's test techniques.
There's no way test techniques

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are making that much difference.
Yeah, honestly.

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Maybe for great.
To depth, OK, maybe because that

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threshold's really high, but I
don't really care about that.

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Like greater depth is like a
vanity thing to me.

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Expected like, OK, we're saying
children need to be at this bar

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to be graded deemed as expected
for their age is OK if they just

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if you have a kid that's never
had been taught test technique,

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but they're just they're strong
reader because they just enjoy

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books and they read lots, right.
So they're just they are just

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age expected readers.
They get it.

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They will pass that test.
So did you?

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So then this sounds to me as if
inherently what you're saying

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here is the test is doing it's
job.

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Because if you're saying that
you are just a good reader, that

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you will just pass this test and
expected the test is almost a

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good thing.
And the test is finding those

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children for you.
And the problem comes with the

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obsession from people in the
middle to try and move the dial

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tiny amounts obsessively doing
pointless stuff that doesn't

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really have an.
Impact.

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It's the interpretation on how
to get kids through the test.

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The test itself, I'd like in an
ideological world, it's a it's a

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good idea because in an
ideological world, every teacher

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will fundamentally understand
that the best thing you can do

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for the children is expose them
to books and get them reading

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lots and basically foster their
love of reading, because if they

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do that, they will naturally
pass the test anyway.

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Unfortunately, that doesn't
happen in the real world.

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What happens is children's love
for reading doesn't get

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fostered, maybe straight away,
maybe maybe family input is more

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than we ever factor in And, and
that's having a really negative

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impact because they hate reading
at the home.

450
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And it's OK, we're battling with
us now.

451
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,400
And then they resort to what can
we do?

452
00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,040
What's a quick win?
What's a quick fix?

453
00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,320
It's quick fixes.
It's not real fixes.

454
00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,080
It's well, if we, we can teach
them like how to pass the test

455
00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,000
and that might give them an
extra two or three marks, which

456
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,800
might be enough to push them
through that threshold.

457
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,400
We haven't developed their
reading ability anymore, but we

458
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480
have now we've, we've taught
them a few test tips.

459
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,080
And then what happens is, oh, to
do that though, we need some

460
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,840
time.
Let's take time out of them

461
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,360
reading books to teach them
these test techniques.

462
00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,720
And it's like a circular way of
thinking because it's like, OK,

463
00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,640
well, now you're doing this, but
at the sacrifice of more of

464
00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,800
their actual reading time, which
ultimately is the only thing we

465
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,080
really want them doing.
And we get to this culture of

466
00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:03,600
we're teaching for the wrong
reason.

467
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,680
We, we now teach test techniques
and strategies.

468
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960
We go through past papers and we
do millions of retrieval

469
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,800
questions.
We look at summarise questions

470
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,320
and then we give them all these
questions.

471
00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,080
We have to order things in
paragraphs because we know these

472
00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,120
types of questions come up and
it's like we're not this.

473
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,160
This isn't what reading is
supposed to be.

474
00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,480
This is not reading.
This is tests.

475
00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,200
I'm learning how to pass a test.
Yeah, because I essentially what

476
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,040
you're saying here is if you
have a good solid understanding

477
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,480
of the text, let's think of that
summary type question, which

478
00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,560
always, well not always, but
often will come up and it will

479
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,240
say order these events in the
order it happened in the.

480
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,840
Text.
If you are are a are a solid

481
00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,000
reader who reads and understands
texts well, you'll be able to

482
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,560
answer that question within 10
seconds because you'll remember

483
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,160
it or you'll know to go back and
find it.

484
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,040
You mentioned, I want to put, I
want to dive a bit deeper whilst

485
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,200
we're on this topic of you
mentioned the three big strands

486
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,600
of reading.
Yeah, the retrieval, the

487
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,240
inference and the word meaning.
So very quickly for anyone

488
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,680
listening who's a little bit
sketchy on what they all mean,

489
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,520
retrieval are questions which
simply are in the text and you

490
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,000
literally go and retrieve them.
What colour was the car?

491
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,560
And you go to the text and it
will say driving his maroon car

492
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,560
through the city and you can
just find it, just find it.

493
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,760
Inference is slightly harder in
that you've got to work

494
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,680
something out based on evidence.
So it might, it might be

495
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,880
something like what emotions
were Jack feeling?

496
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,920
And you look at the text and you
find out he was crying.

497
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,040
Your shoulders were slumped and
you've got to work something

498
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,920
out.
That's just a very, you know,

499
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,760
basic explanation of inference.
And then word meaning is again.

500
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,360
What is the definition of this
word?

501
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,640
How is the word used in this
sentence to work out?

502
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,800
So you're talking about those
three things and you say like

503
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,960
our test technique, we're just
doing just retrieval, we're

504
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,560
doing just inference.
It's boring.

505
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,280
Those three kind of encompass
nearly every question you could

506
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,600
possibly ask about a text
anyway.

507
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,000
So pretty much wouldn't you be
doing, wouldn't you still be

508
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,400
doing them in your ideal world?
Are you are you've got, have you

509
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,560
got more of an issue with doing
them in general or have you got

510
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,240
more of an issue with us
labelling them, telling the kids

511
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,120
this is all retrieval,
retrieval, retrieval, retrieval,

512
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,440
like what's your problem?
I have an issue with doing

513
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,480
lessons based on a question
type, let's say retrieval, not

514
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,320
to inspire the children to read
and enjoy reading and therefore

515
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,000
get better at reading, but to
show children the best

516
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,080
techniques on how to solve those
questions.

517
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,840
Like guys, underline the
questioning word and now we're

518
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,520
going to skim and scan and we're
going to find the word around

519
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:17,840
this one.
And we're going to read

520
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,360
backwards and forwards like like
strategies where I'm like, these

521
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,400
things don't make children
better readers.

522
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,840
They just don't.
Why?

523
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,680
Because they're not being
exposed to new vocabulary.

524
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,960
They're not being engaged with
fun stories.

525
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,600
They're being told to underline
words.

526
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,400
They're doing like.
Whatever child can't answer that

527
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,240
retrieval question, but then can
with these strategies.

528
00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,440
Well, that's what happens.
But is that not improving their

529
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,960
comprehension?
No, it's improving their score,

530
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,720
but they're not getting better
at reading.

531
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,680
But but are they, but aren't
they getting better at

532
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,960
comprehension?
Because if if we were to ask a

533
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,480
question, OK, you know, I was to
say, for example, how many

534
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,400
wolves were there?
OK, And you're reading through

535
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,440
the text and there's a bit of a
trick.

536
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,680
Maybe you talk about two who are
having a conversation with each

537
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,400
other.
But then later on in the text,

538
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,320
it explains how there were three
more in the background doing

539
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,720
something right.
And that child says 2.

540
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,120
OK, so cool.
I know it's 2, but I'm going to

541
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:15,200
explicitly teach you now and
improve your comprehension by

542
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,440
expanding your mind a bit to
think, well, we need to make

543
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,040
sure we take into account the
whole text and we need to

544
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,720
understand how there might be
trick questions in here.

545
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,680
And I'm going to actually
improve your comprehension

546
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,640
because your comprehension of
this text right now is solely,

547
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,080
you've gone to find that there's
two.

548
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,120
You've underlined 2.
Like you're saying this is maybe

549
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,080
what you're getting at and you
just think there are two because

550
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,000
you've been taught to underline
something and you've got the

551
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,720
answer of 2.
But is it still test technique

552
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,240
to you to sit and say to the
children, here are some trick

553
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,800
questions then, and here's what
we have have to do to be able to

554
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,280
improve our comprehension.
Because if you get the answer 2

555
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,040
compared to someone else who
gets the answer 5, the person

556
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,240
who gets the answer 5 is better
at comprehending.

557
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,680
So what?
Yeah.

558
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,400
So my point here is just
ultimately, you know, how much,

559
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,080
what input can we have as the
teacher then to improve that

560
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,160
comprehension that you don't
necessarily just dismiss as, oh,

561
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,560
it's test technique, It's
pointless, OK.

562
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,480
Look, everything you, I think
that's a really good example by

563
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,880
the way of like that that pushes
it as far to the boundary I

564
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,240
think as possible away from like
that really abstract stuff I was

565
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,160
talking about.
The problem I have with all of

566
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,720
it is it's still all within the
confines of the test that we've

567
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,120
made-up.
Like in real life, how many

568
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,840
times genuinely has a situation
like that?

569
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,640
Like has someone asked you a
question where like a trick

570
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,520
question about something that
you've had to read And it's

571
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,520
like, oh, didn't check the next
paragraph though, did you

572
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,120
tricked you?
It doesn't happen in real life.

573
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:36,240
People just read things.
And you either like you'll just,

574
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,960
you'll read the whole, you're
reading something in real life,

575
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,200
you'll read the whole thing
anyway.

576
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,320
If you only read half of the
thing and then make an

577
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,360
assumption and then go online
talking about it, you're going

578
00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,200
to be made to look like a fool
because you didn't read the

579
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,560
whole thing.
But I think that's a massive

580
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,880
problem.
What's the matter?

581
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,120
Problem doing that, what you've
just said, if you just read half

582
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:52,200
of it, come to a conclusion,
have bad comprehension.

583
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,360
Let's just use the context
together of going online.

584
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,080
There are two wolves.
I can't believe there are two.

585
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a big issue of our time,

586
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,680
which is not reading the whole
article, which is just seeing a

587
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,280
click bait title, reading the
first paragraph, coming to an

588
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,920
assumption, and then going off
and spouting that opinion

589
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,160
everywhere with bad
comprehension.

590
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,920
Yeah, it's better comprehension
to have read the full text,

591
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,680
understand the full nuance and
got the entire picture to build

592
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,520
your comprehension and
understanding of something that

593
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,640
that is better comprehension.
And I think that's a good thing.

594
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,880
And I think we can separate that
from passing a test because I

595
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,080
think that does have real world
connotations of I am actually

596
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,720
improving your comprehension by
by teaching you this.

597
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,120
Yeah, in the context of we're
only doing SATS papers and only

598
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:37,240
in this way of doing it because
you're doing a SATS paper at the

599
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,720
end of the year.
I think that's bad.

600
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Yeah.
But I do think there's got to be

601
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,200
room.
Skills.

602
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,040
Improving skills in terms of
comprehension and and just

603
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,640
where's that grey area or the
overlap between the test and

604
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,960
actually?
What is better comprehension?

605
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,840
Well, there definitely are,
because think of all of

606
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,880
secondary school.
Yeah.

607
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,520
Like when you're, when you're
like unpicking literature, I

608
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,240
think that's great.
I don't think that's bad.

609
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,640
Yeah.
But I just don't think at

610
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,240
primary school when this when we
where the like the point of

611
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,160
primary school is the
fundamentals is I don't think we

612
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,200
should we need to be doing that
right now.

613
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,920
I don't think we need to.
We can do a little bit of it

614
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,120
just for the basics.
So I think that is a good skill

615
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,440
and you know how to understand a
text.

616
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,400
That's like the meta analysis of
text, isn't it?

617
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,400
But really I just the kids just
to go back to the SAT to pass

618
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,160
the SAT paper.
If that's the thing that we care

619
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,640
about.
They just need to be able to

620
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,000
read age expected.
They don't need full marks.

621
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,320
So do you know what if there is
the odd question?

622
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,720
There never is many if there is
an odd question that requires

623
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,840
knowledge of the whole text
because it's got something at

624
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
the start and a trick later on
and they have to really have

625
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,880
comprehended the whole thing to
get the nuance of that point.

626
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,760
Maybe they won't get that mark.
Maybe they won't and maybe some

627
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,840
of them will because it's like
it's a it's a good skill to

628
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,880
learn.
But to pass the Sats test, my

629
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,480
original point was they just
need to be.

630
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,200
They just need to enjoy reading
and just be good at reading.

631
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,960
Just age expected readers.
We'll pass that test.

632
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,680
Do I think that's a good skill?
Yeah.

633
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,120
But you know what?
We're doing more of that in

634
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,680
secondary school.
We can touch on it if we want

635
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
to, but I'd rather we just got
kids liking books.

636
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,120
Yeah, it's, it's really
interesting.

637
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,280
I, I guess the only thing that
the only thing I care about is

638
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,400
that.
And I just, I want to by the end

639
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,240
of primary school kids to be
able to read and enjoy texts and

640
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,600
get something out of them and
understand them.

641
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,640
And I guess what I'm saying here
is I just what is the overlap of

642
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,720
what we're already doing?
I think there's probably some

643
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840
overlap, but I just think we
obsess.

644
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,480
I completely agree with you.
We obsess about this test.

645
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,280
And it's really interesting
point that you mentioned about

646
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,680
passing and being age expected,
because if we are as a culture

647
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,880
so obsessed with this age
expected grade, which we are,

648
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,960
but that at the end of the day,
that is what defines our

649
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,920
education system right now,
rightly or wrongly.

650
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,280
I think wrongly, but that is
what we're all aiming for.

651
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,800
So you only need to get half
marks.

652
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,360
I don't think people understand
how many relatively simple

653
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,080
questions you have.
You can get wrong and still be

654
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,640
age expected.
The bar isn't that high.

655
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,880
No, it is genuinely half marks.
And we've looked at it before,

656
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,920
we talked about again, word
meaning retrieval and inference.

657
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680
I'm fairly sure we looked at it
one year where you could get

658
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,560
every single word meaning
question wrong and still get age

659
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,280
expected.
You could get every single

660
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,080
inference question wrong and
still and still get passed

661
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,040
because you've got your
retrieval.

662
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,120
So you you could have the most
basic understanding of a text at

663
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,840
a certain level and get the age
expected store score.

664
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,320
So a lot of the work we're
obsessing over and doing

665
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,680
boosters about and sacrificing
time in the wider curriculum,

666
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,200
which benefits so many children
in so many ways, is for small

667
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,080
gains within an expected
boundary anyway.

668
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,360
We're taking time away from
children doing art, which the

669
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,320
child might be gifted and
talented about, is already age

670
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,720
expected, but might boost up two
marks, might go from 24 out of

671
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160
40 to 28, about 40.
Absolutely no different

672
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,480
whatsoever.
Yeah, because it's still age

673
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,320
expected.
But what did make a difference

674
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,080
for that child is the art that
they're gifted and talented at.

675
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,120
They missed out for three times.
I just, I think, I think the

676
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,920
whole system's really, really,
really.

677
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,160
Broken.
Do you know what my ultimate,

678
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,720
we're talking about this for
ages now, but do you know what

679
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,200
my ultimate problem with with
primary schools is?

680
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,120
Is that especially through
schools, right?

681
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,960
Is the majority of them will
spend the whole child's career

682
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,720
in that school Career, career is
career and whatever the whole

683
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,920
time that child is at school,
they, in most schools, I'd say

684
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,080
they will be doing these test
style lessons all the way

685
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,440
through.
And honestly, like we, we

686
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120
obviously make YouTube videos
sometimes I did like 3 YouTube

687
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,160
videos that were like 45 minutes
long each.

688
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,960
And I, and I'm not even joking,
I couldn't think of any more

689
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,920
stuff I could possibly teach
regard and they were, they were

690
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,360
just test style stuff.
I was like, OK, let's get a

691
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,840
couple of videos out on the test
style stuff.

692
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,920
I wonder how quickly I can
summarise it. 3 videos and I was

693
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,400
like that that encompasses
honestly everything I'd ever

694
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,120
want to teach kids about
comprehension in primary school.

695
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,600
If we're doing the test style
Ave, how are we eking this out

696
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,000
over six years?
It's so boring, it's

697
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,840
uninspiring.
They don't need to be doing this

698
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,280
for six years.
Honestly, you could just do it

699
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,880
for a couple of weeks before the
before the real SAT says, by the

700
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,240
way, you, you'd all love reading
now because you spent six years

701
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,800
just reading books and analysing
together and talking about them

702
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,800
doing the stuff you're talking
about.

703
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,280
To be fair, naturally when
reading books, we're just

704
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,520
talking about characters and oh,
why did the author do this?

705
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,880
We've just read this earlier on.
How does that change things?

706
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,360
Just good questions about books
that get them engaged.

707
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,760
And then in the last three
weeks, we can be like, by the

708
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,400
way, this, this test that we're
about to do.

709
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,360
Here's a couple of tips.
I've made a few 45 minute videos

710
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,080
on it.
Watch it.

711
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,560
Here's a few tips you can do
just to help you like maximise

712
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,280
your Marks and like really show
off your intelligence.

713
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,600
Here they are.
So what role do you think across

714
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,560
the the school career as we're
going to call it?

715
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,480
You mentioned like we we're
always doing test technique.

716
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,800
It's boring.
We need to be engaging our kids

717
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,960
in books.
I think a lot of people can get

718
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,160
behind that idea of just getting
children enjoying reading and

719
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240
immersed in it with quality
teaching in terms of asking the

720
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,400
right questions at the right
time.

721
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,080
Still doing inference retrieval,
Word meaning through your

722
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,520
discussion.
Through your discussion.

723
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,640
Brilliant.
What place do stand alone texts

724
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,960
and questioning have then across
someone's school life?

725
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,880
So I would argue, for example,
my year fours, we've been doing

726
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,480
a lot of work with a novel that
they're really interested in.

727
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,960
We've done Varjak Poor, they
absolutely adored that book.

728
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440
We've been doing How to Train
Your Dragon, they love that book

729
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,320
as well, really engaged,
fantastic work.

730
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,920
Their assessments for reading
have been really good.

731
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,280
We're very pleased with how
they're getting on.

732
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,400
I think it's working really
well.

733
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,120
However, I still think there is
a huge need and almost a

734
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,680
necessity to every now and then,
not consistently, but maybe once

735
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,200
or twice a term.
Just have a lesson where they're

736
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,000
given a text they've never seen
before.

737
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,120
They read through it and they
and they do answer questions and

738
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,000
they are test style to in a way
because we'll answer a couple of

739
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,840
retrieval kind of inference, the
kind of stuff we've been

740
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200
discussing and doing.
I think that really, really

741
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640
helps them.
Do you think we shouldn't do it

742
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:39,800
at all?
Well, my question is why?

743
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,360
Why do you think they need that?
I think they need it more

744
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,560
because they've never ever seen
that text before.

745
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,560
And I think a huge part of
comprehension is being able to

746
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,880
read and understand the text
that you've not seen or

747
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,640
understood beforehand.
So the idea, for example, we're

748
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,440
going through Varjak poor, lots
of class discussion, lots of

749
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,760
teacher LED stuff.
I'm reading the book to them.

750
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,040
I might be explaining rightly,
by the way, to children who are

751
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,960
7 or 8 saying, oh, what do we
think cunning means?

752
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,400
Why is this cunning?
Yeah, cunning means this, and

753
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,320
the reason the author has done
that is because this character,

754
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,600
we want to give off this vibe,
and isn't that interesting?

755
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,360
I wonder what do you think this
character will do if the

756
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,000
author's describing them as
cunning, building all of that

757
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,400
in?
But I do think if I'm building

758
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,440
children who are good at
comprehension and good readers

759
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,200
and quality readers, I want them
to be able to go to the library,

760
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,800
pick out a book about lizards
that they've never seen before,

761
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,640
and read and understand more
about lizards.

762
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
That's ultimately my aim.
My ultimate aim is they can

763
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,720
become readers themselves, pick
books they like, that is

764
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
individual to them, and get
something out of it.

765
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,800
So I think that's a huge part.
Of comprehension.

766
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840
I think they do that without the
need for doing random standalone

767
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,520
lessons on text, genuinely.
But we can't do this obviously,

768
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,720
because we can't just change
reality.

769
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,000
But I would love to.
I would.

770
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,600
My prediction would be if we got
rid of the way the Sats are,

771
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,000
maybe we got rid of Sats
completely, right?

772
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,920
And they didn't have a test
anymore that required them to

773
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920
read a piece of text that's
about one or two pages long and

774
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,800
answers some questions on it.
I reckon no teacher would ever

775
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,960
justify doing that lesson.
They would no longer need it.

776
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Because I think as much as we
try and see the good in it, I

777
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,880
think ultimately the only reason
anyone does lessons where it's

778
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,960
like, oh, we happen to have this
one page long text every single

779
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,240
time and we're all going to read
it and answer some questions on

780
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,920
it.
I think the only reason we do

781
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,760
that is because of the end
result, which is they're going

782
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,360
to be tested like that.
And if they weren't tested like

783
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,680
that, I bet nobody would ever
integrate that.

784
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,760
They'd just be like, no, we're
just, we'll just use that.

785
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,160
We'll just read more books.
Do you?

786
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Every time we read, it's new.
Do you not?

787
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Do you not feel like I just

788
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,440
explained it without using the
Sats though?

789
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160
In terms of I just want them to
be able to go and pick up a book

790
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,920
and on their own and read it and
understand it?

791
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Not really because I just
because I, I think that you're,

792
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,680
I think you've simultaneously
said that you already do that.

793
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,640
You're just saying, oh, we need
to do it a little bit more and

794
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,760
just happens.
To be not on their own.

795
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Without teacher LED.
Yeah.

796
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Without, without a teacher at
the front, reading it with them,

797
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,280
yeah.
And explaining as we go.

798
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,800
They read books all the time.
So they.

799
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,600
So again, this is this is what I
was trying to get at is, are you

800
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,360
separating very much here?
The teaching comprehension

801
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,040
lessons, Yeah, with their
constant home reading books from

802
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,400
the library, etcetera.
So this all goes on

803
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,360
simultaneously, right?
This is already happening.

804
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,320
So this the, the, the children
reading stuff standalone.

805
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Yeah.
You're not bothered about it

806
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,240
being in the comprehension
lessons too much because you

807
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,000
know that they're standalone
reading all the time because

808
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,600
they've got their own They're.
Standalone reading all the time

809
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,760
and all of the skills they need
that you want to develop in

810
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,480
these standalone lessons, you're
doing that all the time when

811
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,560
you're doing your class reading
stuff.

812
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,480
So you're hitting your with
these two strands.

813
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,160
You're hitting, Yeah.
Honestly, that's, that's truly

814
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,800
what I believe.
I think you are absolutely

815
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320
hitting all of it.
And the only reason we feel the

816
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760
need to do the little stand
alone, it's not like they're

817
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,200
stand alone 8 page texts, is it?
They're, they're never anything

818
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320
other than stand alone
specifically SAT style length

819
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,240
tests really, aren't they?
And that that's not a

820
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,120
coincidence.
That's because we are preparing

821
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,880
them for the test, not because
we think I, I don't think, I

822
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,840
don't think it's because we
think that oh, this is a

823
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,560
necessary for them to enhance
our skills.

824
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,720
No, just keep doing the lovely
reading lessons you're doing and

825
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
letting them read their own
books, applying all those skills

826
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,840
that you taught them naturally
when you were doing reading

827
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,080
lessons with them.
Do you OK, here's finish off on

828
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,680
this question.
You're gonna come down on one

829
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,040
side, OK?
I don't think you'll want to.

830
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,040
Is it inherently bad practise to
do those stand alone texts once

831
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,160
or twice a time?
Just give it to the children,

832
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,480
see what they understand
themselves and almost assess

833
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,480
them that way.
For that reason, absolutely not

834
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,520
because the end of the day,
we're teachers.

835
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,680
We do also need to know where
the kids are with like hard

836
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,960
assessment points.
So just doing them occasionally

837
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,440
for the, for the sake of, I just
want to roughly see where these

838
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440
kids are in terms of their
ability to understand something.

839
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,640
I need something standardised
and it needs to be short enough

840
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,440
to fit in a lesson.
I don't think there's any

841
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,360
problem with that at all.
But when it's daily, weekly and

842
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,360
it's riddled with and the kids
are bored because it's like

843
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,480
we're going to do.
We're looking at 8 retrieval

844
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,080
questions today on this new
text.

845
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,320
Here's your new text, everyone.
You've got 25 minutes to do it

846
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,120
silently, and then we're going
to mark it, and we'll do the

847
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,120
same again next week and next
week and next week and next

848
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,000
week.
I don't need that many

849
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,640
assessment points.
Seriously.

850
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,360
Yeah, like you said, probably
like 3 * a year.

851
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,960
Yeah, OK.
It's like the standard isn't

852
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,040
That would give me enough data?
To just to see summative tests

853
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,400
be enough for you?
Or would you be happy?

854
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Again, more than enough.
More than enough Summative tests

855
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,640
would be more than enough in my
opinion.

856
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,800
That's really interesting.
We ended up with a really good

857
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,600
chat there.
I I liked picking your brain

858
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,040
because I honestly I'd say so
much of our opinions and stuff

859
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,000
overlaps that I do find it
fascinating talking to you

860
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,280
sometimes about things I have
less experience with because I

861
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920
just haven't been in year 6 that
much at.

862
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,440
All my career and we've not
really talked about that.

863
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Have we no and, and reading
we're getting we're mass leads

864
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600
together.
So reading, you know, is a huge

865
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,280
part of the primary school
curriculum.

866
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,480
I found that really interesting.
I'd love to hear people think at

867
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,400
home about both of our points of
view, because I think we're

868
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,960
slightly.
I think that's possibly the

869
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,719
thing where have have most
differing opinion on, even

870
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,440
though a lot of overlaps I.
Think yeah, I think overlaps

871
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,719
more than more than, but I.
Just think that normally we're

872
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,239
so In Sync that it's quite
interesting to to hear you

873
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,400
saying what you're saying in
terms of I.

874
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,480
It's opened my mind a bit to
that maybe we're doing stuff

875
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,679
that we don't.
Know, I'll leave it at this,

876
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,120
which is my very, very first
thing.

877
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,520
What I often say to teachers is
I, I, I take a greater depth

878
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,480
child from that class in reading
someone that got a greater

879
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,080
depth.
And I just say to them, if you

880
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,680
never taught this child a single
comprehension lesson, because

881
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,200
this kid loves reading because
that's how they got greater

882
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,760
depth, would they still have got
greater depth?

883
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600
And I just leave them with that
question and and usually the

884
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,640
answer is, well, yeah, because
they're just really they're just

885
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,240
reading into books and really
good at reading.

886
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,080
And that's normally where I
leave it and go, OK, cool.

887
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,720
I think, I think.
And then I say, you think, you

888
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,800
know, think about how many,
think about how much time you

889
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,240
wasted with them, like doing
these, these, these lessons.

890
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,960
And is your point the wider
point in there?

891
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,880
If we can somehow try and foster
that through a good book choice,

892
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,440
teacher LED quality questioning
then that will see the benefit.

893
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,040
Yeah, absolutely.
They'll pay dividends.

894
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,760
But it's a long game, isn't it?
No one likes long games.

895
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,080
We want short, quick wins.
That's the problem, right?

896
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,120
Let's let's move on to the
actual bulk of our lesson, shall

897
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,560
we?
After that lovely chat.

898
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,960
We've got a career in school and
we do a weekly lesson to all of

899
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,440
our lovely customers.
Yeah.

900
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Our customers, yeah, let's play
the Jingle and we're going to

901
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,320
come back and we're going to go
through your and our top

902
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,440
behaviour hacks.
We'll call them things you might

903
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,680
not have heard before to
hopefully help with your

904
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,280
behaviour management.
Nice, I'm absolutely loving

905
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,120
social media at the minute.
I'm a I'm a big person.

906
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600
I go through ups and downs of
social media where sometimes I

907
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,360
think it's the worst place in
the world and I get caught in a

908
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,440
rut replying to trolls and stuff
and I but when I'm over that

909
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,840
I've I've we've managed to build
up basically so many of you

910
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,840
listeners and people who are on
social media who are willing to

911
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,400
give your Nuggets, your golden
Nuggets of information.

912
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,160
And I've done quite a few posts
recently saying teachers, give

913
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,720
me your best blank.
Give me your most unhinged

914
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,320
blank.
What's happened then?

915
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,840
What's happened here?
And one I did recently was about

916
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,120
behaviour and I basically said
to people, look, can you give me

917
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,200
your #1 unhinged 10 out of 10
behaviour technique that works

918
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,080
all the time.
And what I was looking for is

919
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,200
those little Nuggets that, you
know, as a teacher, you just get

920
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,320
so excited by when you see
someone do something, you're

921
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,680
like, oh, that's I'm going to do
that because I would.

922
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Never afford something.
You thought I do this and I'm

923
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,280
the only person in the world
that does this.

924
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,840
And then someone comments and
you're like, what?

925
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,520
I do that as well, and this is
the bizarre thing that I thought

926
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,880
I'd made-up.
Exactly that.

927
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,680
So before we dive in into all of
your amazing suggestions, we've

928
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,880
got loads that we're going to
read through.

929
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,880
Some are funny, some are really,
really quite good as well.

930
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,520
I just wanted to have a very
quick chat about behaviour in

931
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,280
general, Hayden, because I think
sometimes it's one of those

932
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,800
things.
Again, I'm hopping back to a

933
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,480
recent podcast episode where we
talked about how much of an

934
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,600
impact we truly have as
educators and where we can move

935
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,840
the needle and things like that.
And I do think that a lot of the

936
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,400
time teachers can really beat
themselves up about bad

937
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,720
behaviour and, and we can really
take the blame ourselves and,

938
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,240
and place that onus on us as bad
teachers.

939
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,120
I know I do it all the time.
I'm going to be really honestly

940
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,880
open here.
Over my over the years, I've

941
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,720
been a teacher, it's been nearly
10 years now.

942
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Behaviour management, always
something that I was seen as

943
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,160
good at.
I was strong as a student.

944
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,840
That was like not one of my
things that I should focus on

945
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160
because that's quite good.
Maybe I could focus on my pace

946
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,400
or, or something else, but
behaviour management is always

947
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,880
seen as quite good.
And you know, I started off my

948
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,640
career knowing that I was like,
yeah, I'm quite good with

949
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,280
behaviour management.
Yeah, I can build bonds with the

950
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,320
children.
I just, I naturally get on with

951
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,120
them, which helps.
And then I can have strict

952
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,000
boundaries, blah, blah, blah.
And I remember 3 or 4 years into

953
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,160
my career, I got a class that
was just trickier, just

954
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,520
behaviour was harder to manage.
And I remember starting off

955
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,800
thinking it's OK, it's Mr.
Price.

956
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,040
I've been told I'm good with my
behaviour management.

957
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,800
Two times in behaviour was still
awful with that class.

958
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,440
And it really personally struck
me.

959
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,000
It really knocked me down a peg
almost to say, oh, maybe I'm not

960
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,120
this good behaviour management
person.

961
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,280
I think I am.
Do you think you've been lucky

962
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,320
before?
That yeah, I've been lucky

963
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,840
before.
Maybe it's just, you know, I've

964
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,120
got the right kids and I could
build those bonds in the right

965
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,640
ways and I really worked here.
Their behaviour improved over

966
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
the year, but it was a slog.
The whole year was a slog and I

967
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,600
felt I wasn't quite getting
there with some children and I

968
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,720
felt like a failure because of
it.

969
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,960
The next year comes along,
probably my best class ever,

970
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,280
perfect.
And I very soon realised that

971
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,720
it's a bit of potluck.
My teaching quality didn't

972
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,240
change, my ability to control
behaviour didn't change.

973
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,520
What did change was my cohort.
And I just want to say to

974
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,160
teachers right now, thinking
you've clicked on this, looking

975
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,800
for behaviour techniques and
little hacks and stuff because

976
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,640
you might be thinking, oh, it's
the end of my class.

977
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,880
I can't do anything.
The fact you're even on this

978
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,080
podcast goes to show that you're
a very professional person who

979
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,120
wants help with with their
behaviour.

980
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,960
And I just want to take away
some of that personal onus on

981
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,200
you and how you judge yourself
based on how well your class

982
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,520
behaves because it's not always
in in most of the time.

983
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,280
In fact, it's not down to you as
an individual.

984
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,600
No, no, it's not entirely in
your control.

985
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,840
There's a small again, it's it's
with everything, there's a small

986
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,040
spectrum in which we can make
this difference.

987
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,520
You know, we can make a bit more
of a distance difference than

988
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,080
someone else.
You want to make a bit you.

989
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,000
Know a bit less.
This is the other side of the

990
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,120
coin.
How many times have you felt

991
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,120
like you've really connected
with someone, or maybe a group

992
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,720
of children and have really
improved their behaviour?

993
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,560
Honestly, loads of times, yeah,
exactly.

994
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,840
Loads.
Like they're in some equally the

995
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,640
other way around.
Yes.

996
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,840
Because at the end of the day,
right, we're just human beings.

997
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Yeah.
We cannot completely gel with

998
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,640
every single other human being
on this planet.

999
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,480
And some of those human beings
happen to be children.

1000
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,360
Yeah.
Like we can't just.

1001
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,640
I think sometimes we separate
that we're like with adults.

1002
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,600
We accept, Oh no, I can't be
best mates of everyone.

1003
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,200
Some people just don't like me.
We just don't have the same

1004
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,480
personality when it comes to
children.

1005
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,800
We take it extremely personal
with.

1006
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,720
Failures because we haven't made
this amazing bomb with a child.

1007
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,200
And it's like, well, they are
just a human as well.

1008
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,960
They're just younger than you.
Like they've are the same.

1009
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,000
They you might just never quite
gel.

1010
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,480
There'll be one child in your
class who prefers a loud, bubbly

1011
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,520
teacher with a big personality
who likes to have a laugh and

1012
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,840
then trust children to get on
when doing the right thing.

1013
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,720
And there'll be another child in
the same class who much prefers

1014
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:25,320
that.
Strict.

1015
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,320
Quieter.
Yeah.

1016
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,400
Calmer.
Exactly.

1017
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080
No, there's no friendliness.
There's just like a mutual

1018
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,120
respect.
I like you.

1019
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,800
You like me.
But we're.

1020
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,120
Not afraid to do work, we get on
the.

1021
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,160
Work, shush, be quiet, silent.
And you cannot possibly appease

1022
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,880
both of those children.
It's impossible.

1023
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,000
So that that's the point I
wanted to make basically before

1024
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,160
we dive in.
Yeah, sure.

1025
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480
Let's just take a little bit of
the personal onus off it.

1026
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,320
We can still make gains.
We can still look at these hacks

1027
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,840
and improve our behaviour
management, but we're moving the

1028
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,480
needle.
We're not transforming our

1029
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,160
entire lives or changing that
class overnight.

1030
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
It's not going to happen.
Do you know, I'm glad you said

1031
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,520
this because you kind of you've
kind of prefaced like the first

1032
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,600
comment we've we've picked up
here, we've kind of put

1033
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,080
separate.
I won't talk about it.

1034
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,320
Someone commented on your video
saying just build a relationship

1035
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,960
and respect over years so that
they know in quotations.

1036
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,160
In other words, he's saying you
don't need any of these hacks or

1037
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,720
strategies, just build good
relationships.

1038
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,000
And it, it's kind of, I imagine
in your first couple of years of

1039
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,800
teaching, you probably came to
that conclusion because you know

1040
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,080
what that kind of all you needed
to do.

1041
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,040
And then you have that class
that challenged that and it

1042
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,680
maybe maybe made you think, oh,
maybe there's a bit more to

1043
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,320
this.
Maybe there are is actually room

1044
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,240
for behaviour management exactly
like purely managerial

1045
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,480
techniques.
It's nothing to do with

1046
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,920
personality at this point.
It's just a tactic you can use.

1047
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,840
But I, so I, I find this kind of
common.

1048
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,440
I used to say this a lot in all
honesty, just build up respect.

1049
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,760
I think we've said it on the
podcast.

1050
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,920
We've said it on the podcast.
Yeah.

1051
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Just build the relationships.
And do you know what?

1052
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Over the years, having met a lot
of different teachers, sometimes

1053
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,840
this is.
I'm going to try and find a way

1054
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,200
to say this doesn't sound rude
sometimes.

1055
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,520
That's weird you don't normally
think of that.

1056
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:55,920
Yeah, this is.
It's about you.

1057
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,600
That's all right.
Sometimes, like people's

1058
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,720
personality, you can still be a
really good teacher, but their

1059
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,560
personality just doesn't lend
itself to being the type of

1060
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,280
teacher that we're thinking
about that when we say just just

1061
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,880
build that relationship and just
have rapport with all of them.

1062
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,000
Some teachers just seem so
naturally good at that.

1063
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,320
They're just so good at not
being friends, but just being

1064
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,360
friendly and genuine with all
the kids.

1065
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,760
And there's other teachers that
just don't have like their

1066
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,120
personalities don't don't mix,
don't match maybe as well as all

1067
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,840
the kids in the class.
And they're really good teachers

1068
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,640
and they maybe have that more
strict style of teaching, but

1069
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,000
they just can't, they just can't
do that as well.

1070
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,720
Like it's a much harder feat
for.

1071
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,240
Them it would be insane to
suggest that everyone can do

1072
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,960
this easily, and it would be
crazy to say to all teachers

1073
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480
just do this as if they maybe
haven't tried.

1074
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,920
It's a bit condescending.
Yeah, or maybe they could just

1075
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,840
do it.
And again, I, I don't want to

1076
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,280
fall into the trap of saying to
this guy that's rubbish because

1077
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,640
actually I think it is really
powerful.

1078
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,240
Of course, of course.
But it's just not simple, it's

1079
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,520
not easy to do and I think a lot
of teachers who struggle with it

1080
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,000
are trying to do it.
So it becomes really unhelpful

1081
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,480
when someone says.
Just do that can I can?

1082
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Try for four years.
Exactly.

1083
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,520
I'll give one good analogy.
I spoke to a teacher fairly

1084
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,040
recently actually who's been in
teaching like 25 years and they

1085
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,840
said how interesting it was and
they made them feel really down

1086
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,720
actually that they can no longer
do this.

1087
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,760
They said it's really
interesting that how the

1088
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,040
dynamics change now that I'm a
lot older than the children.

1089
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,560
She was saying that when she was
a lot younger, it was way more

1090
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,880
easy to naturally just bond with
the kids in gaol.

1091
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,280
And they, and I think I found
that when I was like an NQT and

1092
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,360
I was like 23 or whatever, it
was so much easier to bond with

1093
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,440
the kids.
We're closer in age.

1094
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,920
And she was saying how even
though she's just as good a

1095
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,200
teacher as she always was, she
was like, it just doesn't work

1096
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,560
anymore.
She was like, I just don't get

1097
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,600
that natural respect anymore.
I just don't get that natural

1098
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,920
relationship, even though I work
at it even harder than I ever

1099
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,640
have before.
And she was like, the dynamic

1100
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,680
has just changed and she was
like, and I think it's because

1101
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,480
I'm older.
She was, that's the only thing

1102
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,480
she could bring it down to was
that I just, I just don't think

1103
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,560
I'm this.
It's just not the same as when I

1104
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,080
was 23.
I'm 50 now.

1105
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,000
And I was like, that's so
interesting that that person's

1106
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,800
thought, I've not thought much
more about it until now because

1107
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,960
I didn't want to just be like,
Oh yeah, so older.

1108
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,200
You get less respect there.
I don't think that's how it

1109
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,080
works.
But it it just raised an

1110
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,080
interesting point that the same
human being had seen both ends

1111
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,160
of this spectrum we're talking
about.

1112
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,720
And how the end goal can be to
create the relationship and the

1113
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:09,360
respect.
And maybe some of these hacks

1114
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,160
we're about to go through might
help you get there.

1115
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:12,800
Yeah.
And maybe some of these hacks

1116
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
might be better once you've
already built that relationship,

1117
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,560
you know, it's going to be a
mix.

1118
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,680
There's no answer here that gets
you there straight away.

1119
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,480
One person I will signpost right
now is Claire from The Antique

1120
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,840
Australian educator.
Unbelievable, like unbelievable

1121
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,480
resources on behaviour
management, right?

1122
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Lots of the same kind of vibe of
like teach, don't blame

1123
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,400
yourself, look, and let's not
blame the kids as well.

1124
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,480
Look, there's so many reasons
why children might misbehave.

1125
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,440
There's so many reasons why you
might struggle with that

1126
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,600
behaviour.
It's such an she's got such a

1127
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,360
nice vibe about her where if
you're an educator and you want

1128
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,880
help with behaviour, my
goodness, she's the person to go

1129
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,400
to because there's so many tips
there.

1130
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,240
So if you once you've finished
this and she's got a podcast as

1131
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,480
well, then Teachables podcast
where she goes through all of

1132
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,840
all these top stuff.
So go there if you want more,

1133
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,040
more behaviour tips.
She's your person.

1134
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,360
Brilliant.
I'll be checking that out for.

1135
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Sure, right.
So let's dive into then some of

1136
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,880
these that we got.
Again, some are funny, some are

1137
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
really helpful.
I'm going to start with my own

1138
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,440
one.
OK, so this is my own little

1139
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,680
hack, and I call it a hack
because I think anyone can do it

1140
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,400
straight away.
And this works really well for

1141
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,920
me.
So my one that I do in the

1142
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,080
classroom is I like to say to my
class, I'm just waiting for two

1143
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,160
people to stop talking, when in
reality if you looked at my

1144
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,920
class, about 14 of them.
Were just chatting.

1145
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,760
With each other.
But what what it does is as soon

1146
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,200
as they hear I'm just waiting
for two and they know they're

1147
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,920
one of them, they're they almost
immediately be like, oh, I'll

1148
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,080
stop.
Because they think they're the,

1149
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,160
they think you're the one of the
two.

1150
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,160
Exactly.
That's such a good way.

1151
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,400
So I've got. 14 kids at once
thinking they're the only ones

1152
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,600
talking and they stop.
Yeah, thank you.

1153
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,080
Yeah, Yeah.
It's such a good strategy rather

1154
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,400
than naming everyone.
And two, 2 is clever as well.

1155
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,120
You did one.
It's like, well, I know I'm

1156
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,720
talking to someone else so that
he's lying.

1157
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,880
The pair 2 it's like, oh it's us
two it's us 2 soon as I'm

1158
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,960
talking in a three though, I'll
be putting the middle finger up

1159
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,720
and you're saying yeah all
right, Mr. Price, we've worked

1160
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,120
good lie I'm.
Just waiting for the seven of

1161
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,640
you that'll cover everyone.
They're in a big group, they're

1162
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,800
in a circle.
I'm just waiting for 32 children

1163
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,880
to stop talking.
Mr. Price, we're doing a, we're

1164
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,640
doing a circle time group chat
right now.

1165
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,840
Anyway.
Have you got any other ones?

1166
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Behaviour guru.
One other thing, I this works

1167
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,000
surprisingly well and I've seen
a lot of people comment this as

1168
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
well actually, because I thought
to myself, you know, you always

1169
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,240
think I've come up with
something here.

1170
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Everyone does.
This is when they're just

1171
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,120
chatting.
Do you know when you've said to

1172
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,800
your class before?
OK guys, quieten down, let's

1173
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
crack on.
And they just slowly eek back up

1174
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,080
again.
Yeah, of course they do.

1175
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:23,680
They're cold.
Slowly.

1176
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,920
Eek back up normal.
Or if they've just come in from

1177
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,960
lunchtime.
This is a big one.

1178
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,320
They come in from lunch and they
know it's supposed to be quiet

1179
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,280
after lunch, but they come in,
they're chatting, they're

1180
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,640
getting a drink, they're talking
to their mate.

1181
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,720
Oh yeah, that was over the line
in the football.

1182
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,680
What you doing?
And they see someone haven't

1183
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,560
seen, they'll want to chat.
This is normal.

1184
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,000
I'm actually not going to get
angry at them.

1185
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,800
I'm just not, that's just not
me.

1186
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,280
So what I do instead is I just
look disappointed.

1187
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,560
So I, I, I give up, right?
I'm like, I'm not going to say

1188
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,560
anything.
I slowly walk over to my chair,

1189
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,720
sit down, get Word document up
and like four or five kids,

1190
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,000
always four or five kids are sat
waiting.

1191
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,720
So they're watching me already
and they're going snug, snug,

1192
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,960
snug.
And I just get a Word document

1193
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,800
up.
So it's on the Interactive

1194
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,320
Whiteboard and I just start
typing out instructions.

1195
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Could be how I feel, anything.
It could be like, I'm so

1196
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,880
disappointed in the noise levels
here, but I don't say anything.

1197
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,160
I'm just typing it.
I'm so disappointed in the noise

1198
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,640
levels.
Thank you so much to everyone

1199
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,720
watching nicely get your books
out and read quietly, please.

1200
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,840
And the ripple goes through the
classroom.

1201
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,840
What's on the board?
It's I'm just as we're talking

1202
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,920
and I don't say anything save my
voice.

1203
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,280
I found the negative space of
silence works so.

1204
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Well, yeah, definitely,
definitely.

1205
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,720
And there's nothing more
powerful than getting kids to

1206
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,720
other kids to be quiet.
It's so much better if you say

1207
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,120
because your voice becomes
background noise.

1208
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,640
It just does.
By the end of the year, you have

1209
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,000
repeated yourself and phrases
and noises so many times that,

1210
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,320
you know, you look at how
children react with parents.

1211
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Sometimes you think, oh God,
they behave really badly with

1212
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,080
their parents and not me,
though.

1213
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,080
It's honestly it's because
they've been with them longer.

1214
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,320
If they, if you taught them for
six years, they probably start

1215
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,840
treating you the same and you're
noise, certain things you say

1216
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,800
would become background noise.
They learned what they can get

1217
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,920
away with and ignore.
Yeah, they're good, good tips.

1218
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,720
Let's read out some from online
then and we'll see if we do any

1219
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,800
of these.
OK, so the first one used to

1220
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,640
tell my class that whoever
picked up the thing or tidied up

1221
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,720
the object that I was thinking
of got five house points.

1222
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Classroom was tidy in seconds.
This is such a class.

1223
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,680
This is almost similar to what
I'm saying.

1224
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:19,320
Literally.
Yeah.

1225
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,920
In terms of creating this
imaginary like idea, I can

1226
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,320
guarantee that this guy who
wrote this never ever actually

1227
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,120
has anything in his.
Mind.

1228
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,640
And of course not, he's just
thinking I want all of the

1229
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,000
things tidied and what you do I
do.

1230
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,200
I actually do this exact thing
and what I do is I'm just

1231
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,040
constantly scanning for things
that haven't been picked up and

1232
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,120
I'll look at the thing go, oh,
someone's still not got it until

1233
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,040
everything's picked up.
It just always happens to be the

1234
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,320
very last thing that gets picked
up.

1235
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,000
Yeah, yeah, it's quite funny.
So that's quite a common one.

1236
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,680
Yeah, we have Mrs Saya again,
another fantastic Tik toker.

1237
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,960
You go and look through her
teacher content.

1238
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,920
She's also on maternity leave.
She does mum content too.

1239
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Fantastic account.
She does something called the

1240
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,640
Grid and I found this really
interesting.

1241
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,800
So 4 spaces on the grid, every
time that she notices someone

1242
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,240
doing something good, positive,
positive reinforcement, their

1243
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:10,560
name goes on the grid.
But here's the catch, it becomes

1244
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,120
competitive.
They can knock others out of the

1245
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,440
grid.
So whoever is left at the end

1246
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,600
gets a treat or a positive
e-mail home or positive.

1247
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,360
And then she just described it
as turning into classroom Hunger

1248
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,720
Games, but of everyone trying to
follow the expectations.

1249
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,960
So instead of going unhinged off
the scale, in fact, everyone

1250
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,400
wants so badly to get into that
grid, they're all going out of

1251
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,240
their way to.
Follow this.

1252
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:33,880
It's quite fun making it a game.
I mean, that's sweet.

1253
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,880
I can imagine some people would
be like, oh, actually, well,

1254
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,160
what if they get knocked off the
grid?

1255
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,800
They might then feel negative
about that.

1256
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,000
But if it's just, I think
sometimes people forget that

1257
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,400
there are more than one
behaviour strategy.

1258
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,560
If this is just one thing you're
doing as a fun little game that

1259
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,800
will perk to your class and that
encourages good behaviour, it's

1260
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,040
a it's a good life and.
Funnily enough, maybe we'll dive

1261
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,120
into this maybe in a full
podcast episode in the future,

1262
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,960
this whole idea of rewards for
behaviour and this whole idea of

1263
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,200
sanctions for behaviour.
Because I've seen a lot of

1264
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,200
people move and say, well, this
is all research based now.

1265
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,840
And actually it's, it's better
to not have rewards or sanctions

1266
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,640
at all.
And I don't know too much about

1267
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
it because from my point of
view, I feel like being super

1268
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,200
positive and rewarding children
works really well for me.

1269
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,840
So again, I'm not going to sit
here and say that that's

1270
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,680
obviously the only way to do
stuff.

1271
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,440
But I do find it interesting
when someone says the way you're

1272
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,080
doing it isn't backed by
research.

1273
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,720
I'm like that, always piques.
My interest, yeah.

1274
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:24,760
Yeah, OK.
What?

1275
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,080
Because I I does, it does seem
successful to me.

1276
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,880
The only thing I know just
loosely based on this is the

1277
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,120
idea that there is a negative
side of if children aren't doing

1278
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,320
things intrinsically for the for
themselves, they're only doing

1279
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,760
it for a reward.
I know there's research out

1280
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,040
there that says we probably
shouldn't be encouraging people

1281
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,520
to only do things for a reward,
and we should encourage people

1282
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,920
to do things because it makes
them feel good.

1283
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,520
Yeah, I, I've seen a bit about
that.

1284
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,880
I imagine it Links.
Something.

1285
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,080
Yeah.
Because you know how many

1286
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,600
schools have something like
house points?

1287
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,040
Yeah.
Well, honestly, I've given out

1288
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,840
house points before for children
sitting nicely.

1289
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,760
And I can understand if someone
came up to me and said they, you

1290
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,640
know, they shouldn't really
reward children just for

1291
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,560
sitting.
Yeah.

1292
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,840
Like and I'll be like OK, but I
am though.

1293
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,200
And I do.
Encourage it.

1294
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,640
I just don't know, you know,
I'm, I'm very open.

1295
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,240
To it.
Yeah, me too.

1296
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:10,120
I'd be really curious to see the
counter argument for that.

1297
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,600
I think that could be good.
Do another one.

1298
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,400
Yeah, my class were refusing to
be quiet, so I got on a I got on

1299
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,400
a table and just stood there
until they all noticed and went

1300
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,720
silent.
Then I got back down and

1301
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,040
continued like nothing happened.
This is where we're getting into

1302
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,480
hacks now.
Just like unhinged random things

1303
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,360
that.
Are we really telling our

1304
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,600
thousands of listeners like you
can't, you can't just stand on a

1305
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,920
table?
Yeah, just stand on the table.

1306
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,480
It's that shock isn't.
Break the health and safety

1307
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,120
rules.
Yeah, Oh yeah.

1308
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,040
We do not come down into
breaking public safety rules, do

1309
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,960
not stand on anything.
Yeah, this came up a lot.

1310
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Secret student, this idea of
kind of identifying a secret

1311
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,280
student for the day or the week,
whatever you want to call it.

1312
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,880
And throughout your day, saying
things like the secret student

1313
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,640
is doing really well or the
secret student is behaving.

1314
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:53,800
It's.
Another one it's another one

1315
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,440
isn't?
It's the same as as your one.

1316
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,840
Again, not naming things or
people in particular, letting

1317
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,520
everyone think it's them or
their object.

1318
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,120
It's the same a concept, isn't
it?

1319
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,080
I'm starting to see it come
through.

1320
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,920
So they get a prize at the end
of the day if they have, If they

1321
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:06,240
have.
Good.

1322
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,160
So again, in this, I'm assuming,
just to clarify people, that the

1323
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,560
secret student doesn't know that
this.

1324
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,480
Yeah.
Yeah, that's the point.

1325
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,200
So everyone thinks it might be
them in the same way, the two,

1326
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,040
the, the people talking in your
example, they don't know that

1327
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,400
it's them that that you're
talking about, Right.

1328
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,440
Or two people are still talking.
Yeah, 15 of them are.

1329
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,960
Yeah.
Yeah, all 15 of them think it's

1330
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,680
them all.
My lucky my my secret student

1331
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,120
isn't doing this thing.
OK, You're 19 of them are doing

1332
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,880
the right thing.
Yeah, But the secret students

1333
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,000
thinking I'm not gonna think
they must be me, then I bet it's

1334
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,160
me.
I bet they were nice.

1335
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,720
Being good?
Yeah, amazing.

1336
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,880
And the problem with If you're a
type B teacher like me, you'll

1337
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,640
just forget at the end to name.
Yeah, absolutely.

1338
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,760
I'll forget to even start the
secret at the end of the day and

1339
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,760
and announce the secret student.
But you didn't tell us you were

1340
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,600
doing it, so Oh yeah, no, I
didn't.

1341
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,880
Did I forgot about?
It the wrong way, forgot about

1342
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,280
the people.
I've got none of the benefits.

1343
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Forgot about the incentive.
Oh.

1344
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,760
All you do is at the end you're
like, well, I've got a rubber

1345
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,760
for someone.
Why, you're my secret student.

1346
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,200
Oh, what does she?
But I was horribly behaved

1347
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,120
today.
Oh, yeah.

1348
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,320
Oh, yeah, you were actually.
Yeah.

1349
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,880
Oh.
God type E teachers for the win

1350
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,360
right next 1.
I loved this one.

1351
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,320
Random name generator at the end
of the class gets an e-mail

1352
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,360
home.
It doesn't matter whether it's

1353
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,040
good or bad.
So you just decide as the

1354
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,360
teacher at the point, well, I'm
going to pick a name right into

1355
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,160
this lesson.
Yeah, Yeah.

1356
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,720
And no matter what you do, I'm
talking to your parents.

1357
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:25,280
Yeah, I'm feeding back to your
parents how you want.

1358
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,440
That's quite nice.
And, and a lot about this is

1359
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,800
it's at the end of the lesson,
so it's random as well.

1360
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,080
So it's like, it could be you
then look, listen, if you're not

1361
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,000
listening properly.
Yeah.

1362
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,280
And this was secondary school,
may I add, so that she gets an

1363
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,400
hour with them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1364
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,640
I thought this was a really cool
idea.

1365
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,120
That's quite an I actually quite
like the idea of how that links

1366
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,960
to accountability a little bit.
OK, you know how we are

1367
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,440
increasingly living in a world
where everyone can just be

1368
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,600
anonymous and be horrible and
get away with it constantly?

1369
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,440
Just get away with horrible
behaviour based trolls.

1370
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,240
Yeah, because there's no,
there's nothing keeping you in

1371
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:50,920
check.
Genuinely.

1372
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,800
Like I like the idea of it's
like, yeah, OK, you know, no one

1373
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,040
knows.
It's the opposite way around.

1374
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,440
It's a nice no one, no one, one
of you is going to get a letter

1375
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,520
home today.
So you could like if we didn't

1376
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,280
have this, you'd probably be
horrible and get away with it.

1377
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,800
Probably.
But actually, I'll tell you

1378
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:04,880
what, one of you is getting
picked.

1379
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,720
So it might be worth making good
choices.

1380
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,480
Yeah.
What's that random random name

1381
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,160
generator?
Oh, I've accidentally typed in

1382
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,480
the same name 24 times.
Yeah, it's you, Johnny.

1383
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,880
Yeah, you can get a letter home.
It's.

1384
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Random until I really need to
send a letter home.

1385
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,960
That's quite funny, I like that.
I think there's something that

1386
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,920
sounds really good.
Another one Kids weren't

1387
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,520
listening to me.
I made a so I keep laughing

1388
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,440
before I finish.
Kids weren't listening to me.

1389
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,760
I made a fake phone call to the
doctor asking for help as I seem

1390
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,480
to have turned invisible.
I can imagine doing that in the.

1391
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,040
Last.
Yeah, absolutely.

1392
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,400
Yeah, yeah, Sorry.
Is that the GP?

1393
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,440
Sure.
Yeah, I know it's not 8:00 AM,

1394
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,040
but just pretending it's a fake
phone call.

1395
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,760
Yeah.
I seem to have turned invisible

1396
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,800
because no one's listening to a
word I'm saying.

1397
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,920
I can imagine them looking
around the room and just.

1398
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,040
Playing up to it, it's reminded
me of I can I tell you an

1399
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,320
unhinged thing I did many, many
years ago with a class.

1400
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,920
One of those things I've never
done if I have a class because

1401
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,200
it's just had to be.
It's just the right.

1402
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,880
Sometimes you just have a class
and the right thing comes out

1403
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,000
and it works with them, doesn't
it?

1404
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Because it's.
Fun.

1405
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:58,920
You are setting this up to be
completely on.

1406
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,920
Here it is quite.
Do this with anyone else.

1407
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
It is as unhinged as me
pretending that my meeting to

1408
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:10,280
stick as a blowpipe and times
tables blow, blow dark times

1409
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,600
tables.
Anyways, of course that wasn't

1410
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,560
anyway, it was years ago, right?
I was with the year 6 class and

1411
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,200
I had a really, you know, we
need to have a really good

1412
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,520
bandwidth like a particular
child.

1413
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,800
Like they really get your jokes.
Maybe they've got like you can

1414
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,240
tell when you talk to their
parents, they've got quite

1415
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:22,720
mature humour or something like
that.

1416
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,200
He, he shouted out once and I
sort of looked at him like

1417
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,600
seriously, what are you doing?
He sort of smirked me because he

1418
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,440
knew he did wrong.
I said OK, come on, come on to

1419
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,440
the come, please.
OK, thank you.

1420
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,000
And then we just did this whole
skit of we had.

1421
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,760
I had this moving whiteboard.
He went behind the whiteboard.

1422
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,280
I said don't you ever embarrass
me like this again.

1423
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,160
How dare you do this to me.
And he was playing along

1424
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,360
straight away because he knew it
was a skit.

1425
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,000
I'm so I'm so sorry, Mr Teacher.
I'm so sorry, Mr Teacher.

1426
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,680
We came out, but pretending like
we hadn't.

1427
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,880
Just gone behind the ball and
done that.

1428
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,320
So all the kids are like
laughing.

1429
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,680
It's like one of those shows
where you can see the

1430
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,560
silhouette.
Greg Davis does that a lot on

1431
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,600
task, yes.
Yes, literally, because he's the

1432
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,520
next teacher I hadn't like.
This is before I'd even never

1433
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,040
watched Taskmaster, so he got it
from me.

1434
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,520
But it's that sort of because he
take what was it?

1435
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,520
He took over James Acaster.
Yeah, Yeah.

1436
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,840
And he proceeded.
Why are you doing that?

1437
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,120
James Acaster got all sheepish.
It's pretty embarrassing,

1438
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,160
actually, literally that I did
that with this kid and it only

1439
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,880
worked.
I never did it with anyone else.

1440
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,720
It was.
The right moment, because that.

1441
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,320
Kid knew it and that class, it
was just the right thing to do

1442
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,200
for them.
And then after that, because

1443
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,600
we'd had fun, fun for 20
seconds.

1444
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,320
But the whole overarching point
here was please don't interrupt

1445
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,600
me when I'm talking.
It's really annoying.

1446
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,960
No one then did it.
It was great and it worked.

1447
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,840
For them or they all did it
because I wanted them.

1448
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,120
That's a risk.
Yeah, that's a genuine risk.

1449
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,760
I actually, I don't know about
you, but I factor that in

1450
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,160
whenever I do anything that's a
bit unhinged or silly.

1451
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,880
One of the biggest factors is
will this have a net loss though

1452
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,320
to the class because then they
all want to do that silly thing

1453
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,840
or will they get the nuance of
I'm making this wider point, I'm

1454
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,320
just trying to do it in a nice
way to you all.

1455
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,040
It's like that thing, if you
don't get all your work done,

1456
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,320
you have to stay in at lunchtime
and do it.

1457
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,480
I want to stay in.
OK, right.

1458
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,480
So half of you, if you don't get
your work done, you stay at

1459
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,840
lunchtime.
You have If you don't get your

1460
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,840
work done, you're going out at
lunchtime.

1461
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,400
Yeah, yeah, literally, like both
options are.

1462
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,040
Work done, whatever.
And that's where those things

1463
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,120
actually fall apart a bit and
you've got to know your kids,

1464
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,680
you've got to.
And this is where, I suppose

1465
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,880
earlier, if we're thinking about
things where have a relationship

1466
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,880
is more important.
I wouldn't do something like

1467
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,600
that, yeah, unless I felt
confident I'd build that.

1468
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:14,320
Relationship.
Exactly.

1469
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,400
I think there's probably a
reason that I've done it one

1470
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,120
year out of 10 years in my
career.

1471
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,240
I've actually felt like that was
perfect because all the other

1472
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,040
nine years I probably thought of
doing it but thought this isn't.

1473
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,480
Going to work.
So for example, all of these

1474
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,120
hacks here, they're not
necessarily going to work for

1475
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,480
all classes ever, even for you
and.

1476
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,160
No, some of them won't work ever
at all.

1477
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Like you might not want to stand
on the table, my probably isn't

1478
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,040
the best thing.
Provide.

1479
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:33,920
Yeah, absolutely.
But it's just funny.

1480
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,200
I got, I got a short one here
which really made me laugh.

1481
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,920
And you know, you sometimes you
have callbacks and yeah, this

1482
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,480
this woman mentioned this
callback.

1483
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,720
So.
So she was there at the front of

1484
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,840
the class and go hear you, hear
you.

1485
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,120
And then the class will go, all
hail the queen.

1486
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,800
Just so self indulgent.
But then exaggerate, exaggerated

1487
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,280
bows and courtesies.
And I what I like about some of

1488
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,360
these taxes, I can imagine a
classroom where that happens.

1489
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,880
The kids are fun having a laugh.
They they're enjoying it.

1490
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:02,960
And then they crack on.
Yeah, yeah.

1491
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,280
That's what I love about
classrooms like that, where you

1492
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,800
can just have those moments.
Yeah, silly little things.

1493
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,320
I've had kids.
I've had kids before where I'm

1494
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,800
like, the joke is that they're
only allowed to only that kid.

1495
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,720
Sorry, who you talking to?
Oh, sorry, Sir Stephen.

1496
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,720
Sir Stephen's like, yeah, thank
you.

1497
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,360
A lot of people will hear that
and they'll go, that's bullying.

1498
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,480
Oh, my God, that's bullying.
That's bullying.

1499
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,000
I'm glad you're not my child's
teacher, mate.

1500
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,400
I'm.
I wouldn't want to be your

1501
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,680
child's teacher when you see
that online.

1502
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,040
Like, I'm glad you're not in
charge.

1503
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,720
I'm So am I, Yeah.
Because of parents like you and

1504
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,800
I.
And if your kid, I wouldn't do

1505
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,040
it to your child.
Clearly, Yeah.

1506
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Because I'd know.
Yeah.

1507
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,840
Because my job is knowing the
kids.

1508
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,040
Yeah, I do it as a kid.
Who knows who actually values

1509
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,800
having that banter?
I do it with the kid who goes

1510
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,960
home and feels special and says
to their parents, Missus Stevens

1511
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,520
had this joke with me today.
And their parents are like, I

1512
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,160
love that Missus Stevens takes
the time to get to know my kid

1513
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,720
and have this special
relationship with them because

1514
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,760
they didn't really enjoy school
before.

1515
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,440
Like it's like, I've thought
about it.

1516
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,440
And so have you guys that we we
think about these?

1517
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,000
Things.
Mindless.

1518
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Anyways, Anyways, next one
myself and other adults in the

1519
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,440
room would start a random quiet
conversation about the weekend

1520
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,720
or what's for dinner etcetera.
And then children would soon

1521
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,560
stop talking and start listening
in.

1522
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,080
And it only takes about 10
seconds.

1523
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,720
That's taking about to their.
Nosiness capitalising on the

1524
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,880
nosiness.
I love that.

1525
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,960
One, how many times have you
seen that where you're like, why

1526
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,520
are you quiet now?
Have a conversation with your

1527
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,640
teaching assistant or something
that's like, really important

1528
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,400
and you want the kids to hear
silence suddenly.

1529
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,960
Yeah.
Absolutely, kids.

1530
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,320
Carry on talking, please.
Yeah, tell the kids to talk.

1531
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,520
Everyone's nosy, but kids are
the nosiest.

1532
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,200
It's brilliant.
This is one of my favourite

1533
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,680
ones.
Someone mentioned having a

1534
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,600
handwriting crown.
Again, the the reason it's one

1535
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,480
of my favourite ones is because
literally this year, for for

1536
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,880
context, we've got a tub for our
house points.

1537
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,680
So there's a tub, right?
And there's a couple of weeks

1538
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,160
where the house points run out,
like I've given out too many or,

1539
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,600
you know, there's none left.
And I've got like an empty tub

1540
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,200
for a few days.
And I turned that tub upside

1541
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,360
down, right?
So it turned into a cap.

1542
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,760
And I wrote on it.
I wrote on it, the hat of

1543
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,160
Destiny.
So we had the hat of Destiny in

1544
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,520
our room and I would just walk
around the room and the kids

1545
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,960
would be, I'd be like, you can
only wear the hat of Destiny if

1546
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,720
you have impeccable behaviour
because you are then in charge

1547
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,240
of the class like you are, you
have the hat of Destiny.

1548
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,680
What you say goes and it's the
kid.

1549
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,280
Writing beautifully, doing some
unbelievable writing.

1550
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,520
The great thing is to not put it
on anyone's head for like a good

1551
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,000
10.
Minutes.

1552
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,640
Oh yeah, yeah, you want.
To get the work out.

1553
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,440
Then I put it on this child's
head and this child was king of

1554
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,280
the classroom, had to have
destiny.

1555
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,120
And I just, I just said to you
can choose what you're going to

1556
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,960
do what what's your is your rule
is your rule king blank, blank.

1557
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,360
It's your rule.
You can do what you want.

1558
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,200
And but then because he was in
charge, he took it really

1559
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,280
seriously and his rule was like,
you must never forget a capital

1560
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,520
letter at the start of your
sentence, else you will be

1561
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,360
punished.
And all the kids did it.

1562
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,640
They all did it like it was just
you got nonsense thing.

1563
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,160
Yeah.
This little game, just this

1564
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,760
little hook, it worked with
them.

1565
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,920
They did some amazing work.
That child felt special, came up

1566
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,920
with a rule that was really
sensible because you put trust

1567
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,400
in your kids.
It was like one of the moments

1568
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,120
where I just thought, I love my
job.

1569
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:03,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

1570
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,800
I.
Love my I think sometimes

1571
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,600
because we spend the day doing
very serious work all the time,

1572
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,040
we forget that they are just
like 8 year olds sometimes and

1573
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,960
they love role play.
They're in the age where role

1574
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,680
play is like a huge part of
their life.

1575
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,560
And I think if you do anything
serious like that, you can make

1576
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,240
a huge difference.
Like in my for years, the pet,

1577
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,480
the whiteboard pen on our smart
board Interactive Whiteboard.

1578
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,480
If I ever want the fact that I
want, I need to spice up this

1579
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,680
lesson a bit because maybe it's
a bit boring.

1580
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,400
Whatever, right?
One of you guys needs to come up

1581
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,120
and do and, and do the answer on
the board.

1582
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,360
Yeah.
Or do everybody's like, no, I'm

1583
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:33,160
not sure.
Anyone hang on.

1584
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,360
Can you guys handle it though?
They're getting serious, this

1585
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,440
one.
They're getting into role play

1586
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,000
mode.
This is the pen of wisdom.

1587
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,440
It's always the pen of wisdom.
The something of something.

1588
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:41,720
I don't.
I don't think you can hold the

1589
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,360
pen of wisdom unless you're
really worthy.

1590
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,160
I'm going to test you, but I'm a
bit worried and I'll get someone

1591
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,320
up and I'll get everyone going.
I'm not sure.

1592
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,960
You might have to go and you
might have to bow down on one

1593
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,760
knee whilst I partially this pen
of wisdom And they take it and I

1594
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,600
always jump back thinking
something's going to explode,

1595
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,240
you know?
And, and they just, they just

1596
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,400
love it.
Just silly little things like

1597
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,600
that.
Because it's role play.

1598
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,680
They're kids.
Yeah, so the handwriting crown

1599
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,520
was the same kind of idea, that
just the idea of giving a carrot

1600
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,480
to the kids, doing a bit of role
play, having them enjoy

1601
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,040
themselves.
Yeah, I just love it.

1602
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,240
I like this one.
I find threatening to sing.

1603
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,600
Threatening to sing to them does
the job nicely.

1604
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,560
Most living creatures would do
anything not to hear me sing.

1605
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,200
That's quite funny.
There was a lot of singing in

1606
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,960
general actually, we had a lot
of callbacks.

1607
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,840
Callbacks are a big part of
behaviour management for people.

1608
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,800
And some people do put in like
funny callbacks.

1609
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,640
And there was one, it was,
there's something, you know the

1610
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,240
song na na na na na na na na na
na na.

1611
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,880
This person used that and in at
the end would say sitting on

1612
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,080
your chair, on your chair,
sitting on your chair and just

1613
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,720
replace that with any
instruction.

1614
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,360
And it worked for them
beautifully.

1615
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:47,960
I think there is there is a room
for for that kind of behaviour.

1616
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,760
But, and this is where I'm
hopping back to what we said at

1617
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,200
the start, we're going to come
full circle here.

1618
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,760
There's a load of different
hacks and techniques there that

1619
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:55,560
we talked about.
Yeah.

1620
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,280
But coming full circle, I think
it's just really important and

1621
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,480
we should not judge teachers for
doing what I'm about to say,

1622
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,240
which is knowing your own
personality, beliefs, principles

1623
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,960
and ways of doing stuff without
impacting others.

1624
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,440
So if, for example, there'll be
so many teachers out there who

1625
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,680
to be honest with, you should
not do that singing Nan, Nan,

1626
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,280
Nan and Nan and it's just not
them.

1627
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,560
No, they would be doing it
because they feel forced to do

1628
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,800
it because they want to try and
be that fun teacher that all the

1629
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,480
kids get on with.
And I'm building that

1630
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,520
relationship.
I got told to build a

1631
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,040
relationship.
So I've got a singer city song.

1632
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,640
So you don't and the.
Kids that the kids will be like,

1633
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:30,560
what you doing?
Yeah.

1634
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,360
And it's that because?
They already understand that

1635
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,960
kids are smart.
They already know your

1636
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,880
personality.
And it's easy for people like me

1637
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,440
and you, who Absolutely.
We are that type of teacher.

1638
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,400
Yeah, we are, you know, that
upbeat joking and always trying

1639
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,920
to make the kids laugh in a way
that I know for me is nothing to

1640
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,840
do with.
I just inherently want to be the

1641
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,080
funny teacher.
I want to be the guy they got on

1642
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,960
with.
No, no, every single thing I do

1643
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,600
has the end goal of the children
love being in school.

1644
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,320
The children give me as much as
they possibly can.

1645
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,600
We get as much out of them as we
can.

1646
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,520
Exactly.
This is the thing that I think

1647
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,040
we can mould more than, like we
mentioned academic success last

1648
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,440
time.
You know, what we can mould is a

1649
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,760
child's attitudes, is a child's
comfort, safety, enjoyment

1650
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,200
score, which means that they
themselves then will unlock the

1651
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,560
academic attainment through
those characteristics.

1652
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:23,120
So I see my job as facilitating
that movement of the child

1653
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,200
themselves.
So whenever a parent comes to

1654
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,600
me, parents even says thank you
so much, you've made such a

1655
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,560
difference with this child, I
will always say no, no, no.

1656
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,400
They've made a difference
themselves.

1657
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,680
I'm a facilitator.
I run this classroom in a way

1658
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,240
where I want them to make the
progress and they do because

1659
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,560
they might react in a certain
way.

1660
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,200
That's where I can have the
impact.

1661
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,800
That's where I want to move the
dial.

1662
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,000
I don't care about draining test
technique for 64 hours a week

1663
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,520
like we going back forth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1664
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,720
My whole point here is, and I
agree completely, familiar

1665
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,200
enjoyment with quality teaching
because I'm a quality educator

1666
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,320
who's a professional and
everyone listening to this has

1667
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,960
gone through training and done
all of that trust to get on with

1668
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,840
the job and let the children
develop.

1669
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,000
It's child centred, everything
I'm doing.

1670
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,440
Yeah, love that you summarise my
thoughts as well.

1671
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,280
I have nothing else to add what
I will do your.

1672
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,200
Favourite comment last week was
I have nothing else to add.

1673
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,280
You said it like 5 times.
Yeah, yeah.

1674
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,200
Nothing else.
I love you.

1675
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,200
Say everything.
I'm sorry.

1676
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,240
I'm joking.
No, it's just good.

1677
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,200
I was listening there, just
thinking.

1678
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:25,840
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.

1679
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,160
And I thought I'll leave this
last one then, because this one

1680
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,920
made me laugh.
Wouldn't recommend this one as

1681
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,480
much as standing on the table.
Not behaviour per se, but taping

1682
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,040
chair legs to table legs.
Notorious of chair swingers.

1683
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,120
I just saw that.
I thought that is.

1684
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,680
I tell you what, that is a
pathway to parents or complaints

1685
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,240
somehow isn't it?
You know there are some classes

1686
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,320
and some children.
If you did that, you would not

1687
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,520
hear the end.
Of it tell you what though, Oh

1688
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,800
my day, some people do need.
I know, wouldn't it be nice

1689
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,360
though?
What's that?

1690
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,680
You're still swinging on your
chair?

1691
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,640
Not anymore.
Yeah, duct tape.

1692
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,920
Literally, it doesn't remind me
of one good thing that I always,

1693
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,040
because I'm a type B teacher,
I've every time I remember it, I

1694
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,480
don't then do it is just
literally putting like little

1695
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,520
bits of tape on the floor for
where you want your tables and

1696
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,120
chairs so that in the day the
kids know, but before they go,

1697
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,000
rather than you every day
putting all the tables back six

1698
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,760
metres because the kids
constantly push it forward.

1699
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,200
Don't know by being on the
tables you just ended.

1700
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,480
They can't reset your tables and
they've got the little corner

1701
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,240
marks on the floor and they just
put the tables back.

1702
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,560
So do you put the tape down but
it's done to do it, or do you

1703
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:21,800
just forget?
To put the I forget the tape

1704
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,120
down 'cause I think of it.
Tell them.

1705
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,480
I think I'm gonna take guys.
Yeah.

1706
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,280
What tape?
I think of the idea specifically

1707
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,360
as I'm leaving the room at the
end of the day and think

1708
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,760
honestly now I'll do it tomorrow
and then never do it.

1709
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,560
Right guys, thank you so much
for this thing.

1710
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,160
Hopefully you got something out
of those behaviour hacks.

1711
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,520
Let us know if you've got any
more yourself.

1712
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,000
Leave us a review as we are so
nicely at the start and I will

1713
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,920
see you again or I personally
just me.

1714
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,480
We'll see you again next week.
Hey, then you coming?

1715
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:45,920
Next week I might be there.
Yeah, I might be there.