Ep 107: 6 Ways Teachers Can Immediately Reduce Workload & Take Back Control

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Hop little Bunny hop, hop, hop,
hop, little Bunny hop hop.

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Ohh, sorry within the podcast
not singing to our children the

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same nursery around for the 57th
time of the day.

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Right, right, right.
Look, we recording, recording.

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Hello guys.
Welcome back to another episode

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of Teach sleep.
Repeat.

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My name is Hop.
My name is Little Bunny.

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Oh my gosh, it's infiltrated on
mine.

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It's Easter.
I know, I know, It's like the

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only time of the year where it's
now acceptable to sing that song

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because I've been singing that
about you for about 6 months.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And yeah, Rory starts bouncing

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before it's even, but nothing's
on.

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And they'll just start looking
at me like bouncing.

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I was like, do you want hot
Little Bunny to play?

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And they'll be like, yes.
So I put it on Spotify and we

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hop Little Bunny, hop up, up.
And then the bunnies sleep.

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Yeah.
And he goes on the floor.

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How many head down?
How many times do you listen to

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it before you start crying?
What's the order of cut off?

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Because mine's about.
Three.

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I think initially it was about 3
and then I got over it because I

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got to like 57 and I was like,
I'm just a robot now, no.

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It's your favourite.
I'm just a robot.

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It's it reminds you of that
severance.

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Yeah, yeah.
So Oh my God, it's so good.

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So good.
Like, I know we're not, I know

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we're a teaching podcast, but
let's just digress for a second

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because if you haven't watched
Severance, it's probably my

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favourite show since early Game
of Thrones.

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Wow.
That's big.

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That's big, yeah.
Genuinely I I love the concept.

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I yeah, actually I enjoyed it.
A.

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Lot so so we explain the concept
very quickly for anyone who

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hasn't watched it.
The concept is severance is like

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this procedure you can get and
it's it's basically a a

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commentary about like the
corporate world and how

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horrendous it is.
And you can choose to go to this

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company called Lumen and get the
severance procedure, which

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essentially splits your brain in
half so you don't split in half.

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Your physical body is the same
at all times, but you walk into

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work, get into an elevator, and
as you move to what's called the

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severance floor where you do
your work, you flip.

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So your brain flips
consciousness to your new

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consciousness you've created to
do your work.

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So the point being you've you've
essentially created a new being,

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a new soul is the whole like,
idea of the show.

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Yeah.
It's like, how much, how much

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rights do these new people have?
But the horrendous thing when

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you actually think about it is
from the point of view of the

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person on the outside, it's
great because you go to work in

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the morning and then from your
point of view, you go in the

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elevator and you immediately
step out of the elevator after

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doing your day of work.
So you don't think about work. 8

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hours has just passed.
And for you, it's immediate.

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So yeah, you might lose some of
your life, but you're at work

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and you hate work, so why would
you not just cut your brain off?

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But then on the flip side, the
person you've created inside,

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who is still you, but a
different consciousness, who

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doesn't have any idea of what's
going on, they only ever exist

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in work.
So they walk out the elevator to

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do their work, finish their day
of work, go to the elevator, and

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immediately come back out again
for the next day of work.

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Yeah, they don't get to sleep.
No, they they literally only

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exist in work mode.
It's a really, really cool show.

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It's on Apple TV, so yeah, if
you haven't watched it already,

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like definitely watch it.
Yeah.

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Can you, Can you imagine?
Can you imagine it for teacher?

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Would you do it?
Would you do it?

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Well, having watched the show, I
feel like I feel bad for my

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inner self.
Yeah, doing only work.

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Yeah, imagine that.
Imagine.

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Imagine.
Oh my God.

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I mean, some teachers do this.
Imagine.

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Imagine defining your entire
life only by teaching.

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Imagine like every single waking
minute in your.

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Existence.
Wait, what?

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You don't just go home, sleep
and come back.

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Maybe I am 7.
Yeah, sleep is your severance.

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You're having a great time, but
you sleep.

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Yeah.
Oh, no, I, I don't.

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I don't think I could do.
That no, no, I just.

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I couldn't do it.
It would be hell for the for the

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inside me who doesn't get a
break you imagine.

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Like, Oh my God, it's kind of
you're so over stimulated.

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I just need to just need to
decompress and just stepping out

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the door and then being back
with the kids.

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Go, Sir, Sir, Sir.
Oh my God.

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I did this last night.
It is last night.

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I can't believe.
It ohh God yeah, that's nasty.

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It's nice, well worth a watch
though.

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It's one of those things where
you can get a 7 day free trial

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to Apple TV, get it in at a
point now in half term, which

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we're in, yeah, where you know,
you can binge.

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It exactly what I did by the
way, did I?

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Did I tell you that I did
actually manage to watch season

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1 and two in the seven?
That's incredible.

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That's 20.
In term time I was staying up so

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late like I have to watch.
This.

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So you did 20 hours of TV?
Yeah, well, not in a week.

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Some.
Of them are like 30 minutes.

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Long they're.
Different.

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They're about 30 to 50 minutes.
And then there's like the odd

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one that's like.
An hour The finale was like an

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hour finale was like a.
Feature like films like it was

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so long, Yeah.
It's unbelievable.

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Yeah.
So yeah, watch it.

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Watch it.
Yeah, that's for sure.

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Yeah, definitely watch
Severance.

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Anyway, other than that, all
good this week, yeah.

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I'm a bit scarred still.
Yeah, two point O.

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Yeah, yeah.
Go on.

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Yeah, people might have not
listened, I don't know.

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But a few weeks ago we mentioned
how Hayden has had his bathroom

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done, Didn't put a lock on his
bathroom door.

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You can all wonder what might
happen when a bathroom door

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doesn't have a lock on it.
I accidentally walked in on his

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girlfriend on the toilet, so
I'll get back.

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Might ran out quick.
I was laughing about it.

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That's funny.
And that was.

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Just before we recorded that
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Episode.
Yeah, I remember because I was

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like ghostly, like, oh gosh,
done can believe it.

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This morning you went to the
toilet famously, you can take up

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to half an hour.
So I was like, cool, we'll we'll

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do the podcast later on.
I guess I'll just sit here and

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wait for them to finish on the
toilet is.

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What they here for isn't.
It this is a.

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Revelling in this.
So I heard someone footsteps on

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the landing and someone going
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I was like, OK, that's Hayden.
He's gone to get a drink or

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something.
We're ready to do that.

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I'll just go and blow my nose
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So I went out, open the door.
There you are, sat in the

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toilet, bum out and everything.
Just sat there having a boot.

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Yeah, well, you.
I should hope so.

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If you're going to the toilet,
be waiting if your bum wasn't.

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Out, I'm out suggests that like
it was facing you.

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You think I'm going to the
toilet?

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No, you just you could see the
side of your bum.

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Hello.
You're so calm.

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And I was like, so that's 2 for
two, and your daughter's an

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infant who constantly poos and
gets a nappy change.

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Yeah.
So I've now seen all three of.

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You have a poo poo in this
house.

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Yeah, literally.
That's that's an achievement, I

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think.
I think so.

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I think that's like a level of
of closeness that you don't

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really get of many people.
Yeah, that most people don't

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want.
No, I don't.

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Most people wouldn't want.
Most people don't even think

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about as a thing.
No, no, well, you don't go to

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the I never even thought about
who I've seen to go to The Who

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have you seen go to the toilet
listeners?

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Just think now because I bet the
only only people you're close to

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really have you seen go to the
toilet.

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Has it ever happened at work
where someones not locked the

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door?
Because I've had it a couple of

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times.
Not me where I've I've gotten

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into the toilet and someone else
is in there I've forgot to lock

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the door.
What?

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On the toilet.
Yeah, adults, like, no, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my God.

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But a couple of times in my
career, and obviously it's

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mortifyingly embarrassing for
that person, isn't it?

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I'm just you walking in.
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I just feel awkward, 'cause I'm
like, crikey, I walked in my

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toilet.
God, no, Never.

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I felt like I was quite.
I thought that would be quite

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normal.
I just forget to lock the door.

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Is that why you still haven't
got a locker in your bathroom

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door?
You're like that's quite normal.

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It's quite normal.
Come in, come in.

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What do the podcast on the new
come on, come in, guys should do

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that.
No, absolutely not never ever,

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ever, ever.
So this week very common in the

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well, I say this week, what
would be last week, the last

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week of term before Easter is
very common for a parents

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evening and we had our parents
evening.

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How did you find it?
Like what what your initial

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reactions.
Let's talk, parents.

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Evening.
I had the probably the most like

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straightforward positive parents
of nothing I've ever had I.

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Think you might have said that
last time as.

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Well, did I?
Well, maybe I've had a few in a

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but they say this is the same
same cohort, same year, but

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like, I don't know if I feel
like every year like there's at

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least one maybe like a slightly
difficult conversation.

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Honest, honestly, I had a blast.
It was like I just, everyone was

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so nice.
I didn't have any troubles at

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all.
There was no conversation that

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made me think a bit like, oh,
I've got to prepare for this.

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I've got to deliver some bad
news.

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It was just fine.
I had a really nice time.

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How nice is it when you know you
can just sit there for 10

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minutes and essentially big up
their child and how well they've

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done that?
I see that as my role at Parents

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Evening because to be honest
with you, if I think about

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anything negative that I've got
to say, it's so rare that the

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first time I'm ever going to say
that is when we're at Parents

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Evening sat in front of the of
the parents.

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Because I think it, it does.
I don't like using this word

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because there are probably some
instances where it's fine, but

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it does feel a bit
unprofessional that it would

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feel from the parents point of
view that you've waited three

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months to mention something
that's quite important.

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Well, if I, if I put in put
yourself in their shoes, if I

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was going to parents evening
with River and they were like,

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Oh yeah, she's been she's been a
nightmare all year.

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And I and I and they hadn't told
me at any point that her

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behaviour was bad.
I would be like, oh, like could

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you have told me that sort of
anytime before now so I could

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maybe have helped that.
Are you giving me a description

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of what's happening or are we
going to talk about how we can

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fix it?
Because it sounds as if you're

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just saying she's a nightmare
and.

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Yeah, and you haven't talked
about it.

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Try and fix it.
Yeah, I agree.

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Our head teachers quite like
that as well, as he always says,

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you know, no surprises.
Apparently if you've got

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something you know there's
something that's unbelievably,

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urgently negative to say, then
you probably should have

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addressed it.
At some point, and if you

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haven't do it the week before,
you know what I mean?

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Like if you haven't just saved
beforehand, just have that semi

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difficult conversation because
the last thing you want in a

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timed zone where you've got 10
minutes per parent is to lay

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something down and the parents
are like, well let's try and

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sort this out then.
Yeah, sure.

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Not now though.
By 10 minutes is up, got the

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next person waiting.
It's just not the environment

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for that.
It's the environment for quick

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catch UPS, positive
reinforcement, yeah, yeah.

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And a couple of next steps that
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And then it's, it's not the
environment for oh gosh, this

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thing's completely unhinged by.
Yeah, agree.

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How was your time keeping this
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I pride myself on parents
evening time keeping and I I

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know I shouldn't because it's
like you can't control it

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sometimes and parents just won't
go or something like that.

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But I really, really, really
pride myself on in later on in

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my career, especially being
wrapping things up and being

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able to sense times coming to an
end, sense a parent might not

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actually naturally just go and
be like, OK, so yeah, overall

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really, really good.
Like, I just want them to carry

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on doing what they're doing and
we'll keep doing our job.

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Nice one, my job share is really
good at using body language like

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I'm always really impressed.
Just stands up, walks out.

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Yeah.
No, no.

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But she does, it's so
impressive.

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I look at her sometimes I'm
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Like she I said, yeah, it's
brilliant.

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So yeah.
And she'll start moving.

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Yeah, start getting up.
Like, yeah, absolutely

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fantastic.
And just that like that movement

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of like starting to get up, it's
just a signal to everyone's

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subconsciously is, oh, this is
finishing now and everyone

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starts getting up while still
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It's like before you realise it,
we're all standing up and it's

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like, oh, you're leaving now.
And I'm always like always

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really impressive how you use
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Do you still use a timer?
Because you tend, you said in

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the past you've had like a
little timer.

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Yeah, no, I just use the clock
now because every 10 minutes,

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right.
So I just, I use that clock

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internally where I'm like if
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like, we need to wrap it up now
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And, and it's it's not that I
don't want to carry and talk to

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the parents, it's just that you
don't want to have later on that

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in in your parents evening
someone waiting for 20.

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Minutes.
Yeah, it's awkward, isn't?

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It but we, we, we kind of we
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when we were coming towards our
break and the last couple just

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overran and it just, it
basically means at that point

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you get less of a break.
We got a 10 minute break and

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then you get 6 hours then we
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So we we got there.
It was fine.

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But yeah, in general, I mean, I
love parents, even I really, I

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always, always enjoy parents
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I think what I will say is, and
I'm going to bring this up again

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because I think we brought this
up last time, I don't know what

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the best way to do parenting is.
Like how do you effectively talk

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to that many parents as maybe
when you sometimes teach English

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and master different children as
well as your class of 30

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children?
What's the best way of doing it?

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Do you do it in one swoop where
you're there until 9, half, nine

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in the evening and just you get
it done in one day?

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Do you spread it out and have
later evenings that don't go

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quite as late but for a few
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Do you close school for half a
day and then start at like 1:00

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and just see where that takes
you?

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I don't know.
And I I just think it's one of

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those things where you could
just have to suck it up and bear

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it for a couple of times a year.
I don't know if there's a good

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way of doing it.
I think, I think it is kind of

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absurd the idea that that
schools, our school does this

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and then we, our star, our star
voted for it.

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So it's like whatever, but
working till like 99 PM like

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that.
So our parents evening is at the

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end of a full school day from
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And luckily, fortunately for us,
it's on Thursday.

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And we we're because we have job
share, we're part time.

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We're not in on in the day on
Thursday anyway.

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So for us it's just going in
parents evening.

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But I get there, my job share,
she's finished a whole day of

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work and she's exhausted.
I got there yesterday and my

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team honestly were knackered.
Like I looked them all and they

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were like they were all just
like, I can't I can't fathom the

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idea that I've now do another
six hours of like think of a

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hence work, the talking parents
as well on top of that whole

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school day.
So I don't think I don't think

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that's the best way of doing it.
In all honesty.

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I think there has to be a token
from the school to be like, it

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starts at 1:00.
Sure, OK, not every parent can

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get in.
I get it.

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The whole point is most people
work because they can't get in.

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But some can because I've been
at schools where it happens and

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there's always parents there at
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They can do it and then and then
then it goes on later.

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But it maybe it finishes at 7
rather than 9.

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I don't know, you know, and then
you know, it's just a few more

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hours back of your day.
I think there's a middle ground

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somewhere, but you do kind of
have to suck it up because it's,

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yeah, it's just a, it's just a
challenge.

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But you only do it normally
twice a year.

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Once a year for some schools,
yeah.

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So, and, and like I said, it's,
it's so rare that it's

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horrendous the act of doing it.
Yeah, yeah, it's.

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Not so, you know, it's just,
it's just long.

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One one thing I find really
awkward, and I know you have

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opinions on this as well, so I'd
like to hear what you think is,

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is the content in which you talk
about on parents evening.

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And I'd love to I please write
in to us because I really want

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to know how what people talk
about on parents evening because

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I find it a bit cringy when I
spend end up spending the

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majority of my time talking
about very specific areas of

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maths and grammar and English.
She's fantastic at using the

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progressive tense.
But just needs to work on using

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subjunctive form in her writing.
I, I, I honestly die a little

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bit inside.
But because like we have a

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system of like that's stupid.
We give each other notes for

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maths and English and things.
And I'm like, Oh, I just, I just

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don't think that any parent.
And if they do a very small

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minority actually care and want
to hear about like the specific

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like parts of, I don't know,
like elements of, oh, they're,

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they're doing great in place
value, but they just need to,

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they just work on fractions with
different denominators more

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knowing that you as a teacher,
like you're the person doing

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that.
You're obviously going to do

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that at school.
I find it a little bit awkward

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and I always think, do parents
just want to hear how well their

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kids are getting on, like how
happy they are?

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Like what?
Where is the middle ground?

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What do you think we should be
talking about our parents?

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Evening.
It reminds me of when you write

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a report at the end of the year
and you include what clubs they

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go to.
Yeah, I know.

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I signed up for them and I
picked them up from the club.

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It's like they go to, they go to
football club, they do maths

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everyday.
Yeah, they do it.

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I know that's not very helpful.
They need to work on the

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curriculum.
I, I think there's an overlap

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of, of people who you're kind of
dismissing a bit when we say

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this, which are the people who
don't necessarily obviously

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don't understand the subjunctive
form and, and can't help with

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that, you know, attainment, but
kind of do like to hear the

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teacher say, we've been doing
this and they're doing it well.

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And so you like what you know,
if you go to the doctors, you

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might not necessarily understand
what your doctor's saying in

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terms of, well, I measured your
cortisol levels and that's all

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good.
The fact it's good is enough for

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you to be like, oh, OK, I don't
need to understand all of this,

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but that's nice to hear.
So we've been learning a lot

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about frontal adverbials and,
and expanding our sentences to

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make them more detailed using
conjunctions and leaving stuff

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on that 10 second sentence for a
parent can be enough to be like,

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oh, that's, I don't understand
that.

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But that's good to hear.
You're doing these things that I

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don't necessarily understand,
but my child's getting on well

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with them.
I think I think you have a point

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where if you're sat at parents
evening saying, oh, and and

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yeah, little Johnny does really
struggled with those

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subordinating conjunctions.
So if you could just do a bit of

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that, that's pointless.
Yeah, that's pointless.

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If you say, if a doctor said to
you, can you just reduce your

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cortisol, you'd be like, what on
earth are you talking about?

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Like that's not helpful in
itself.

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So I think hearing that you're
doing well and subject specific

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language is fine.
I think expecting parents to

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take something in and do
something about it is where we

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lead to the there's definitely.
A line isn't there because there

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are some things they can do,
like with reading.

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I guess reading's the one I
cringe at most because I think

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it's quite easy to be like, Oh
yeah, they just need to work on

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their infant skills.
But their their retrieval's

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really good and and summarising
questions that they that's

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that's not parents worry about
what?

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No, all we need to say is right
for reading from in my opinion

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of like the perfect parents
leaving to me would be a minute

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no more on like the academic
stuff of like they're sort of

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working at average level in
maths.

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We're expected.
They're doing really well.

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We're work, you know, keep
working on the timetables

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because that'll help them get a
bit better and maybe practise

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some fluency at home in reading.
They're slightly below average.

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That's what age expected.
So can you just just just

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encourage them a bit more to
read?

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We'll do the same thing at
school.

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Sure.
And we'll do the specific stuff

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in.
Yeah, yeah, we'll just, but not

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sitting there being like, yeah.
So in their in their test, you

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know, they're scoring 24 out of
50.

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You know, they needed three more
marks in that test.

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So maybe if they could work on
sort of those inference skills,

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they're doing quite well with
the retrieval, but the inference

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I'm not well.
Yeah.

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This, I don't know, just just
say like, OK, this is this is

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roughly where they are.
They're either doing all right

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or they're behind or they're
significantly above in these

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subjects.
If they're if they're

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significantly behind, that's
when I'll start coming in and

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being like, here's something you
could maybe do about it.

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But obviously, obviously we're
the main body of people who are

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going to do something about
that.

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We are the school.
Yeah, And it just feels awkward.

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It's it is, it is tricky.
I know what you mean.

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Because we're just doing our job
and they're going to make

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progress.
I I literally answered the

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question at parents, even this
time of a parent said what can

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we do at home?
And it was that generic.

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It was like, it was a nice
positive, like a session where

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we said getting on really well,
doing the right things, it's all

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good.
And they said, what can we do at

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home?
And my answer was essentially

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nothing.
Like my answer was just like,

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honestly, if, if, if your child
cracks on doing what they're

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doing, they're going to make
progress.

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And the reason they're going to
make progress is because they're

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so well-rounded as an
individual.

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That's the, that's the number
one thing I think that we can do

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at home with our kids before we
send them to school is if your

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child's polite, courteous, hard
working, respectful, nice to be

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around, happy, and that comes
from home and we try and keep

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that at school, that child
almost always will make

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progress.
That child will do like what,

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what no matter where they're at.
They might not be a greater

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depth academically, they might
be a bit lower.

448
00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,000
But if they do all of those
things, I can think of so many

449
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,400
children over the years who've
struggled a bit with their maths

450
00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,560
or their English or their
reading.

451
00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,400
But my goodness, me across the
year, they've made so much

452
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,560
progress because they're the
loveliest kid that I've ever

453
00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,520
met.
And when it comes to parents

454
00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,680
evening and when it comes to
what we can do to our next

455
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600
generation, honestly, the number
one thing we can do is have

456
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,040
well-rounded kids with with
those personality traits.

457
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,840
That is going to have so much
more of an impact than me saying

458
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,360
to someone, Oh, well, you know
what, they're a bit disruptive

459
00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,120
in lessons, actually.
But if you could just work on

460
00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,000
that subjunctive form, that
would be fantastic.

461
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,080
Now, to be honest with you, it,
it's, it is the personality and

462
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,840
the, you know, well roundedness
of the child and the happiness

463
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,320
of the child.
And if they're having social

464
00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,040
issues in school, that's
something we can step in and fix

465
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,040
straight away.
It's, it's that that's more

466
00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,800
important to me because it's my
job to do the academic side.

467
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,880
We're going to do the academic
side.

468
00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,800
That's the part that we have
less control over.

469
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,720
That ultimately has the biggest
impact on their outcomes.

470
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,040
Yeah, I agree.
I think that's fantastic and and

471
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,360
just for feeling good, I guess.
So like one of my last

472
00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:54,160
appointments of parents
evenings, this is like 8820, I

473
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,160
think at this point where it's
at.

474
00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440
Dad came in of this kid and this
kid in my class, I'm thinking,

475
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,840
oh, she is, she is the classic
like if you had a class of 32 of

476
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,600
this child, your job will be a
dream.

477
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,080
Like she's so lovely and just
get some of everything like

478
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,000
academically, just completely
fine.

479
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,320
And honestly all areas like just
easy, easygoing.

480
00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,080
And dad came in and this was
refreshing to my ears because I

481
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,320
was sort of thinking, this is
how I think and I wish everyone

482
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,440
was like this.
He sat down and he was like,

483
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,040
just so you know, I and he did
swear a little bit, but I always

484
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,360
swear on the podcast.
I don't give a monkeys, I'll

485
00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:28,520
replace the word.
I don't really give a monkeys

486
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,240
about the sort of maths in
English.

487
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,720
Like I actually don't really
care at all.

488
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,280
He was like, the only thing I
care about is how is if my

489
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,920
child's happy, how she's getting
on, if she's polite.

490
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,560
Basically everything you just
said there.

491
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,720
This parent came in and said
just so you know, and he had the

492
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,080
he had the Gump to say that a
lot of parents think it, but

493
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,840
they don't want to rude like
professional conversation.

494
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,200
He was just a bit more like
outgoing.

495
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,680
Yeah, I don't care about any of
that stuff.

496
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,000
So please don't waste my time
with it.

497
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720
Can you just tell me how she is
as a human being?

498
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,320
And basically because then
because I know she'll be

499
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,440
learning if she's happy at
school.

500
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,600
And I was like, I, I literally
said, well, I said, well, that's

501
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,800
refreshing to me.
And I said, OK, cool, let's

502
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,360
scrap these notes.
Then I was like, just so you

503
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,560
know, she's expected across the
board, pushing greater depth in

504
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,080
every subject.
So there you go.

505
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,720
What else do you need to know
about that?

506
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,360
I could sit here and read you a
bunch of notes that we've

507
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,200
written about the specific areas
that she's quite good at and the

508
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,840
areas that she's not good at,
which funnily enough are the

509
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,280
ones we haven't taught yet, but
I won't.

510
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,960
And we just had a 5 minute
conversation about how nice this

511
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,200
child was and, and like very
specific situations in school

512
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,080
where she's been kind.
Where she's been generous, where

513
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,400
she's like stayed level headed
in like a challenging situation.

514
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,320
Then we talked about her social
side of her life and we really

515
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,160
went in depth into like her
friendship and how she feels at

516
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,920
home about some of like some
conflict that she'd have with a

517
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,800
friend that I didn't know about.
And I was like, Oh my God, like

518
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,080
this is what I this is the
conversation I think everyone

519
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,480
wants to have.
Yeah, and and it becomes then

520
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,280
more of a conversation and less
of a lecture.

521
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,680
So parents consultation evenings
to me are the best when you are

522
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,760
learning things about the child
from the parent and the parent

523
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,960
are learning things about their
child from you and you come to

524
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:57,560
together to be moulding and
helping the children as much as

525
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,440
they can.
When it comes to academics,

526
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,960
that's one sided.
That's really one sided.

527
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,600
That's me lecturing to you what
we're doing and how you can help

528
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,840
that.
That has its place, but it's not

529
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,800
particularly helpful in this in
this aspect.

530
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,360
Do you know where that would be
helpful?

531
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,040
When I'm talking to my partner,
teacher or SLT, that's when we

532
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,360
can talk academics and how
useful this is and how we can

533
00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:17,800
move on.
And the children are really

534
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,520
struggling with spelling.
So let's have do something about

535
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,360
spelling.
That's a conversation at parents

536
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,560
Evening.
A conversation is the child

537
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,560
holistically, Yeah, that's how
we're going to get the most

538
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,200
progress and the best impact on
that child and make them happier

539
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,120
and.
Better and it gives them a

540
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,240
chance in that moment then if
there are challenges for that

541
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,560
child so they are significantly
behind in something whether it's

542
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,760
social or academic is a chance
for them then to say OK cool So

543
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,040
what are we all doing about it
what are you doing about it as a

544
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,880
school OK well actually we've
got them in these three

545
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,800
different intervention groups
that are really targeted for

546
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,200
this thing and we're really
trying We've seen a bit of

547
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,440
progress there that's what we've
done I'm not going to sit here

548
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,840
and tell you all of the
intricate things we've done in

549
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,280
that intervention.
I'm just going to tell you that

550
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,360
we're providing support for your
child What are you doing at

551
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:53,440
home?
Oh, you're doing this you're

552
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,680
doing extra reading with them
brilliant.

553
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,920
We've seen them impact of that
in school.

554
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,760
This is working well this
relationship because we are

555
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,480
raising this child almost.
Like a village takes a village.

556
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,640
Together it is because we're
spending 8 hours a day with that

557
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,000
man, 6 hours a day or whatever,
with your child, with your child

558
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,120
like five days a week.
And they're and they're

559
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,560
important to us and we care
about them and, and it makes

560
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,240
such an impact that again, they
will finish off this chat.

561
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,280
But on this kind of holistic
view, the nicest comments we

562
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,520
ever get from parents, even from
me as a teacher personally, are

563
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,280
where parents say something
along the lines of, wow, you

564
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,160
really know my child.
I've done my job so much that

565
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,960
makes me warm inside.
You really understand my child

566
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,040
and you've never had it before
where you say something like,

567
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,480
oh, and.
And and I knew he'd think that

568
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320
that was unfair.
And I I spoke to him about it.

569
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,600
And the parent goes, oh, yeah,
he would.

570
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,120
And the parents are like, yeah,
you know, you know how he feels

571
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,680
that that is how we get you get
this person.

572
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,480
And they're the powerful
moments.

573
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,200
And there's where we have an
impact on a move.

574
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,920
I think the attainment, the
chats like that, I think you're

575
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,480
right.
They go.

576
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,800
Do you know what they go in?
Reports.

577
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,840
Yeah, that's what reports are
for, in my opinion.

578
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,960
When it comes to like academic
stuff, just bang it in a report.

579
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,960
Honestly, I don't want to sit
there and awkwardly talk about 5

580
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,960
minutes and you know them well.
Not not just when parents are

581
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,680
fundamentally about how well you
know them.

582
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,760
It's when they get a little
Malteser Bunny.

583
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,840
It's happened to me and they put
it down on the desk at the end

584
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,720
of it and say thank you for
teaching my child and I'm like

585
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,440
you.
Straight in the mouth at 7:30.

586
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,080
You didn't say anything because
you had a mouth full.

587
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,440
Yeah.
Yeah, that Malteser Bunny.

588
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,960
So that was a that was a nice
treat on the parents evening

589
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,720
this week.
Oh man.

590
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,840
But yeah, it's, it's lovely.
I think 10 years in the job has

591
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,280
helped me mould that mindset.
If anyone's listening now going,

592
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,440
oh, I really don't never think
that way or or do that you're at

593
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,440
a different point in your
career.

594
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,160
Maybe because you know, there
was definitely a point where I'd

595
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,800
sit there and be like, I'm going
to write really detailed notes

596
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,080
about where everyone is.
I've just found over the years

597
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,520
and maybe maybe having Rory has
helped in the last couple of

598
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,480
years where I think to myself,
if I went to my son's parents

599
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,040
evening, what would I truly care
about?

600
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,080
Maybe it's a privileged position
to know that I can help with

601
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,840
academic stuff anyway, you know
what I mean?

602
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,560
Maybe that is true, but thank
you.

603
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720
But But I think I would trust
the school to be covering that.

604
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,880
I want to know, is he happy?
Yeah.

605
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,960
I don't want my kid to be happy.
And if he's happy and courteous

606
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,560
and kind, do you know what will
happen?

607
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,240
He'll sit well in his lessons,
Listen to learn.

608
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,160
Yeah, he'll learn any.
It's what will happen as a

609
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,440
result.
Yeah, definitely.

610
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,880
Brilliant.
I love that.

611
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,200
I love that chat.
Let's go on to now the main

612
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,560
marker episode then, because
something else we're really

613
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,200
passionate about and we do hope
this comes through, is reducing

614
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840
workload for teachers to make
people's lives better.

615
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680
OK, and and a big point there.
We can look back at what we just

616
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,560
said.
Don't spend half an hour writing

617
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,640
really detailed academic notes
for parents evening.

618
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,200
Just know your kids really well.
There you go.

619
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,960
That's saved you a bit of time.
That can be your nought .5 on

620
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,560
this list because we've got 6
things you can actually straight

621
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,720
away to reduce your workload.
You can do it immediately.

622
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,160
Let's dive into it hidden.
All right, let's dive straight

623
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
into six things we think you
could do straight away.

624
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,160
Because a big part of what we're
doing on this podcast is, yeah,

625
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,840
calling out the crap and the
rubbish and the stuff we think

626
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,880
is nonsense, but also trying to
give actual actionable things

627
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,600
that you can do as well.
So let's start straight away

628
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,320
with number one.
Use your professional judgement

629
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,520
to question and push back policy
and ideas in your school.

630
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,400
This is something you can do
straight away.

631
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520
It's not necessarily something
that's easy.

632
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,560
Depending on your environment
that you're in or your

633
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,720
personality, you could be
someone who wants to avoid what

634
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560
you see as conflict and that is
completely, perfectly

635
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,520
acceptable.
But what you have to understand

636
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,200
is that unless people in your
school at the level of being

637
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,880
teachers and class teachers,
etcetera, are willing to do this

638
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,000
with leadership, then you will
be in a school that constantly

639
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,840
feels like they can roll out new
things again and again.

640
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,760
And take advantage of your time
as a teacher.

641
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,160
Well, reflect on your school
right now because I've been in a

642
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,160
few schools that I can think
differently about, right?

643
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,440
Are you in the kind of school
where they do roll out a lot of

644
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,080
new things that will impact your
workload, where all of the

645
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,920
teachers moan behind the SLTS
backs and moan to each other and

646
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,680
then don't do anything?
Or are you in a school where

647
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,160
people are actioning what we're
saying here, which is where at

648
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,840
least one teacher or a couple of
teachers, maybe they're the one

649
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,440
that, you know, it's like, oh,
they're the one that's going to

650
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,640
say something.
There's always seems to be 1

651
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,240
teacher, isn't there?
I think there's, I think there's

652
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,400
two in our school.
Yeah, two.

653
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,520
Yeah, we've got a few in our
school, I think.

654
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,120
No, I know.
Brazen School.

655
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:13,600
It's good.
But, you know, it's not brazen.

656
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,160
It's not.
I want to push back on this

657
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
again.
It winds me up because I know

658
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,680
there will be some people who
see me as, oh, that brash guy,

659
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,120
chatting up again, chatting
back.

660
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,560
Yeah, because I'm a professional
and these policy rollouts are

661
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,160
directly impacting me and the
time I get to spend with my

662
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,080
family.
Yeah.

663
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,840
So yes, of course I'm going to
talk about it.

664
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040
It's not me being bolshie.
How many times have you been

665
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,280
fired because you had an opinion
exactly?

666
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,680
How many times?
Well, never, because of course.

667
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Luckily as well though, I do
work in a school where that I

668
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280
can say these kinds of things
and it's can be a professional

669
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,280
discussion.
It can be a hard discussion.

670
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,320
And here's the fun thing.
So do you.

671
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,200
You all work in a school where
you're allowed to do that.

672
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,160
Yeah.
And you're not going to get

673
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,840
fired for having an opinion.
Genuinely.

674
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,920
You're allowed to push back.
Like you were saying to me

675
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,600
earlier about we need need to
get out the mindset of the the

676
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840
head teacher is our head teacher
from when we're at school, I

677
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,720
think.
That's a problem.

678
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,800
I I'm going to talk about this
very quickly because I think

679
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,920
that's a problem.
I think that's a mindset we have

680
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,720
in school because we are
teachers and we're in this kind

681
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,640
of pyramid of power, if you want
to call it that way.

682
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,680
And we are so ingrained in
traditionally thinking, no, what

683
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,800
the teacher says goes, and
that's important for many

684
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,880
reasons.
We then apply that to ourselves

685
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,760
sometimes and we think, well,
what the boss says goes.

686
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,840
It's like, yeah, do you know
what it does?

687
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,200
I'm, I'm not here to argue that
I have a boss and I'm asked to

688
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,040
do things that I don't always
want to do or think is helpful,

689
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480
but I will do them because
they've justified it in a

690
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,240
certain way.
And you don't always have to

691
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,520
agree.
That's not what I'm saying.

692
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,920
What I'm saying is though, when
something is objectively mad and

693
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,400
is going to impact your work
life balance in a contract

694
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,720
you've got because you're a
professional employee, just

695
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,720
don't.
Don't put yourself in the same

696
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,120
grounds as the kids listening to
an adult telling what to do.

697
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,720
You are in a completely
different ground.

698
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,720
You are a professional, you are
a teacher.

699
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480
So when policy is implemented
that directly effects how you

700
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,440
teach your class and the
planning you have to put in

701
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,520
place and the work you have to
do that you as professional deem

702
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,920
not reasonable or not having an
impact enough to justify the

703
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,800
time you put in.
It is completely acceptable for

704
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,320
you and your staff to get
together and say no.

705
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,840
We.
Professionally, that's the only

706
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,200
thing I'll add to that.
It is completely acceptable for

707
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,000
you to professionally kick back
and, and put up a kick up a bit

708
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,800
of a fuss and say no, this is
not suitable.

709
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560
What's not acceptable is what
happens a lot, which is you and

710
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,680
your staff.
I don't know.

711
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,640
Then you go moan behind their
back and then unprofessionally

712
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,480
bring it up.
And I don't know, I can't think

713
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440
of a really good example now of
where it becomes unprofessional.

714
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400
But like there are certain
channels, there's certain ways

715
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,640
you should talk to someone
professionally.

716
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,480
End of the day, like then
they're not your parent head

717
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840
teacher isn't your parent that
they're not your when you were a

718
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560
kid and had a head teacher and
you felt like they told you off

719
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,080
like they were like your your
parent.

720
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,400
That's not what they are.
They're just another human being

721
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,120
at the kind of you know that
they are working a job like you

722
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,080
are.
They're just doing a different

723
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,560
managerial role.
Have a professional discourse

724
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,640
with them.
They're not going to take you

725
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
very seriously if you go there
being like effing and blinded

726
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
and being and like threatening
things, but you can absolutely

727
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,600
you're well within your rights
to say, oh, me and the staff

728
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,240
have had a conversation.
We don't think this is

729
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,080
appropriate.
Can we have another meeting

730
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,520
about this soon and really
discuss it?

731
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,200
Like there's ways to do it, but
if you don't do it at all and

732
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,280
you and we just moan behind the
scenes and then we go on to

733
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,000
TikTok and Instagram and then
come on to like our Instagram

734
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200
reels and be like and start
venting on us instead.

735
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Like, oh, you're rude.
No, no, no, no, just don't be

736
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600
part of the problem.
Just just use your professional

737
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,600
judgement.
Call out things that are are

738
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,640
terrible, have that professional
discourse with your SLT and

739
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,360
something might change.
Yeah, absolutely.

740
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,960
And you'll be probably surprised
how often receptive, how

741
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520
receptive people sometimes
artists kind of thing because a

742
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,080
lot of the time when policy's
being rolled out, it is usually

743
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,040
with the best of intentions.
It is, it is usually because

744
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,680
they think it will have an
impact on the children.

745
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,120
But you, what I'm saying here is
you have a voice, you have a

746
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,600
professional voice that you need
to use and, and, and take

747
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,440
advantage of because otherwise
you're just another cog in the

748
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,520
machine that you think is
broken.

749
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,960
Doing another thing that takes
up more of your time that you

750
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,000
don't think is having an impact
on the kids because you feel

751
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,640
like you have to do, you know
what eventually happened?

752
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,000
You'll burn out and you'll leave
the profession.

753
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600
And there have been plenty of
times where in the last few

754
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,120
years, I've become much more
confident to do this, but I've

755
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
also been learning how to do it.
There have been times where I've

756
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,920
brought something up in a way
that I regret.

757
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
So for example, there might have
been some time before in the in

758
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,360
the past where we've been in the
staff meeting, something was

759
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:30,040
said that I might think that was
rude or wrong or a bad

760
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,840
representation of something.
And instead of me kind of, you

761
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,040
know, professionally going away
and being like, I wasn't quite

762
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,360
happy with this because I think
it represented that badly.

763
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Or I think it shows us in this
light that I think is wrong.

764
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000
And we've been asked to do this.
And I think that's just not a

765
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
good use of our time.
I just bit back immediately and

766
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,280
I was like, oh, actually, no,
that's that very fair though, is

767
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:49,800
it?
That's not right.

768
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,120
You're wrong.
Yeah, you're wrong because of

769
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,600
that.
And, you know, and I've said

770
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,240
sorry for.
I'm really sorry.

771
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,360
I don't mean to be rude at all
because I don't, but I just

772
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,080
think it's important that we
raise these things.

773
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,520
And again, even in that
situation where I felt maybe I

774
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,760
went too far because I do
overthink things, there were

775
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,320
loads of staff who said thank
you for saying that because it

776
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,120
was exactly what I was, we.
Were all thinking the same

777
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,800
thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,000
It's a good point.
It's a good.

779
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,680
Point.
That's it, really.

780
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,040
That's just #1 is be confident
in your professional, your

781
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,160
opinion that something is wrong
or won't work is genuinely as

782
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,960
valuable, if not more valuable
than someone who's outside of

783
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,680
the classroom trying to
implement things again and

784
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,720
again.
Yeah, because you're in the.

785
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Classroom.
Understand that?

786
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,080
Yeah, back yourself.
Good, good point, Dylan.

787
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,600
So #2 something I think you can,
this is like really sort of easy

788
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,920
to action like right now if you
wanted to is I did this years

789
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,080
ago by the way.
So sit down and list maybe just

790
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,200
start of this week, the the last
week you've been in school,

791
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,080
right?
List all of the aspects of your

792
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,720
role, all the jobs you had to
do, all of the things and tasks,

793
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,200
and would you.
Put writing the list on the

794
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,760
list.
Writing the list is number one

795
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,280
on the list.
You write the list, but then

796
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,520
then the number 2 is thinking
about writing the list.

797
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,480
So you go through, you literally
just write down like from the

798
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,240
basics of like teaching maths
all the way down to maybe even

799
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,960
at the weekend I had to re plan
a lesson, right?

800
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
Just list every single thing you
had to do and then prioritise

801
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,760
them right?
In terms of what you feel.

802
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Because remember, you're
professional.

803
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Like no one else needs to matter
with this.

804
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
What you feel like was the most
important job to the least

805
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,440
important job.
Now that's quite a vague

806
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,000
description.
I'll leave you to decide what

807
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,760
you think most important is,
because that could be what

808
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,360
what's important to you at the
moment might be the the outcomes

809
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,440
academically of children.
What's important to you might be

810
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,600
the holistic side of the
children.

811
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,640
There's loads of social things
going on.

812
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Whatever what's important to you
might literally just be what you

813
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240
think has the most impact to the
least impact in terms of a task.

814
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520
That's what I'd go for.
I'd be thinking, what impact

815
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,160
does this have on the children
against the time it takes me to

816
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200
do that job?
So that that would be something

817
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,760
I'd be thinking, OK, that's
really important.

818
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,440
And it might might well be that
even if a job takes 5 minutes,

819
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,080
it might have 0 impact on the
children that would go straight.

820
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Away yeah, it'd go right to the
bottom of the list, right.

821
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,320
OK, so you'd be thinking about
that ratio, which is a really

822
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,120
good way of doing it.
But either way, right, whatever

823
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,880
you've done right, you've made
you've made your list of all

824
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,400
these million things.
Firstly, you realise how much

825
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,680
stuff you're doing, which might
even just be enough for you to

826
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880
be like, crikey, I do so much
stuff in a week I mean tasks,

827
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,880
take the bottom 10% and
honestly, honestly, scrap it.

828
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Yeah, don't do it.
Literally don't do it.

829
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,680
So do you mean don't do it,
that's it forever?

830
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Or are you saying don't do it
and see?

831
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,720
Yeah, I, I OK, It's a middle
ground.

832
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,840
You can interpret how you want.
I kind of wanted to be very just

833
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,360
a speech.
Now I'm just.

834
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600
Wondering what you mean?
Just a bit out there, but what I

835
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,560
mean is it could don't do it
could mean don't do it this

836
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,760
week.
Maybe rethink it for next week,

837
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,560
put on your list for next week
because it's clearly not that

838
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,440
important.
It might even be don't do it at

839
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,520
all and see if it makes any
impact or if anyone even notices

840
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,040
right.
The amount of things in my job

841
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
this would make me sound like a
terrible teacher because people.

842
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,200
Value only on the.
Tradition.

843
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,360
I was going to say people value
teachers based on how many tasks

844
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,840
they do about this, but that
honestly, I think it took me

845
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,720
about one year of teaching to
realise that there were so many

846
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,360
parts parts of my job that were
literally tick box exercises and

847
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,880
even the people telling you to
do them didn't even care about

848
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,880
them.
Oh yeah, didn't even.

849
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Care about them?
And, and I very quickly clocked

850
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,760
on that there were there were
big aspects of my job that I

851
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,560
could just not take seriously in
any in any way at all.

852
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,760
It made absolutely no impact to
me, the kids or the people that

853
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,040
are influencing the policy.
And yet everyone will take it

854
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,840
seriously.
Are you, are you brave enough to

855
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,080
give me an example?
Yeah.

856
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:02,880
All right then.
OK, Ready.

857
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Literally year 2 of teaching
after spending a whole year

858
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,920
where I was told that for every
single subject.

859
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,040
So for maths, English core
subjects and all the foundation

860
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,120
subjects, I had to fill in this
really quite intricate like

861
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
objective assessment sheet where
it was like, have the kids met

862
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,040
this thing in this geography
lesson?

863
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Have they not met this thing in
this RE lesson, whatever.

864
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,719
And he had to really assess it.
And I finished it after the

865
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,040
first year realised it didn't
inform anything or anyone impact

866
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,840
the planning, impact the
children or impact my teaching.

867
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,960
And I was like, whoa, that was a
pointless waste of my time.

868
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
We all decided we need, we need
to like fill in these

869
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,360
assessments for some reason.
And then honestly, for the next

870
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120
nine years of my, I've never
once I'm admitting this is this

871
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,440
is this going to, oh, oh, isn't
he bad?

872
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,360
I have never once filled in an
assessment like that.

873
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,400
This is different to like tests
and, and other things that

874
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,960
inform my reports and, and the
gap analysis and things I do.

875
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,719
This is different, right?
These are the assessments.

876
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,320
Oh, yeah.
You've got to fill in that grid

877
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,160
for, for rivers, for history on
that topic.

878
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,680
You did.
And, and don't forget to do it

879
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,360
also for geography for that
term, so we know where the kids

880
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,720
were.
Yeah.

881
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,120
What's that for?
Oh, so you can tell the next the

882
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,960
next teacher when they when they
come round to doing geography so

883
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,880
they can fill the gaps.
Are they going to?

884
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,440
No.
Are they going to?

885
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Is that going to be, is it going
to change their planning?

886
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,280
Well, no, they're using planning
from last year, Right.

887
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Or.
But they should be adapting it.

888
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,280
Are they, though?
No, no, we're all just

889
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,840
pretending.
We're all just pretending.

890
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,440
It's like, OK, do I need to fill
these in?

891
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Seriously.
Yes, very seriously.

892
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Will you know if I haven't?
No, all these kids, yeah, all

893
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520
fine in this one because it
doesn't impact or inform

894
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560
anything.
You're at the you're at the

895
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,440
point now in your career where
you can, you can genuinely look

896
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
back on me like, well, my kids
make good progress.

897
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,680
Yeah.
And I've never taken this

898
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,200
seriously.
Yeah, seriously, 10.

899
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,160
Years in and I'm like, Oh my
God, and there's no one out

900
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,200
there that is making different.
Honestly, it's ridiculous.

901
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,200
So the things like that in my
career where that would be at

902
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,800
the bottom of my list if I had
to order my list.

903
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,000
Now, one of the things on there
might be, oh, I've got to do my,

904
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,600
the end of term.
I've got to fill in my

905
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,800
assessments or whatever or
collate them or whatever it is,

906
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,760
you know, claim assessments that
goes to the bottom of my list.

907
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,440
And not doing it to me is I'm
not going to do it seriously

908
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,360
because it's completely
pointless, especially when

909
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,040
you're in year 6 because you
know, where do you know where it

910
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,360
goes?
Literally nowhere, because

911
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
there's not even the next year
that I can even talk to and be

912
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,120
like, oh, these kids didn't do
very well in history.

913
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,200
I think that's a huge part of
primary school where we convince

914
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,000
ourselves something's happening
or is important, but it doesn't.

915
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like the the like you're saying

916
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,800
there, for example, if we do a
history unit on the Romans in

917
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,720
year 3, Right.
And I take those children up and

918
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,240
I've been teaching them Anglo
Saxons.

919
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,680
OK, pure honesty here, have not
remotely looked at where they

920
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,320
were for their year three unit
on Romans.

921
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Because because you know, it's
not going to change what I'm

922
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,880
teaching the children.
It's not going to change how I

923
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
adapt on the spot and help them.
It doesn't matter to me whether

924
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,120
the children fully understood a
very specific point in one

925
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,760
lesson last year.
Because you know, what if if

926
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,640
they didn't quite understand the
idea of society when it was in

927
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,680
the context of the Romans
compared to the Bronze Age,

928
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,600
which they did in year 3.
Do you know what's fantastic

929
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,560
about what we're doing this
year?

930
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,120
We're already covering society
anyway.

931
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,680
We're already going to look at
the difference between what the

932
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360
the Roman life when they left
and the Anglo Saxons took over

933
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,480
and how it almost seemed to have
gone backwards.

934
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,520
We're going to talk about that
again to the entire class.

935
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Whether or not they were deemed
to be understanding that

936
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,560
societal change last year or
not, it is genuinely pointless.

937
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040
But again, there'll still be
people listening to us say this,

938
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,440
going what do you we must assess
everything all the time.

939
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,960
No, we don't.
You have to.

940
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120
I think everyone really deep
down knows it's a farce.

941
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,360
And the problem is I don't even
blame SLT for this.

942
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,760
I genuinely don't.
I blame Ofsted because at the

943
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,480
end of the day, someone said to
me, it's like, yeah, cool.

944
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,360
I also think it's pointless, but
Ofsted literally say we have to

945
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,760
do it.
So if we if we if they come in

946
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,160
and we're not doing it, they can
very rightfully say we told you

947
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,600
to do this thing.
You're not doing it requires

948
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,720
improvement.
Yeah, honestly.

949
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,880
So I'm like, OK, cool.
Let's all just agree then to not

950
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920
take it that seriously because
none of none of us are going to

951
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,000
use it in our daily practise.
None of us are going to check on

952
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,400
it.
Yeah, it doesn't impact

953
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,840
anything.
We know Ofsted are wrong.

954
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,360
They're literally wrong because
they don't work in.

955
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,200
Schools, well, they're driving
up.

956
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080
Standards mate Driving up.
Standards, yeah, we've got to,

957
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,480
we've got to assess all the
humanities that can we, you

958
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,000
know, that's one of those.
Anyway, going back to the

959
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,840
original point is just, yeah,
prioritise everything.

960
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,520
I've got off on a massive tandem
completely.

961
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
I'm glad I asked that question.
Completely expose myself and

962
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,840
probably honestly half of you
have also realised in your

963
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,360
career that there are some
things that are pointless and

964
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,280
you just do them.
You tick a box, they don't

965
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,880
really mean anything.
You haven't done them to the

966
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,560
degree that they're supposed to
be done because they're.

967
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Pointless.
That's why we did this.

968
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960
And there's loads of things that
do that, which is why #2 to is

969
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,840
to make this list, prioritise
things.

970
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,600
Realise at the bottom 10% are
probably things that honestly

971
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,160
you didn't need to spend your
weekend doing.

972
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,320
You didn't need to stay till
5:30 instead of five last week

973
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,200
every day doing that thing
because it was honestly utterly

974
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,640
pointless.
So just either don't do it or

975
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,800
find a way to do it.
Hayden doesn't even teach

976
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,320
history.
Like it's just completely

977
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320
pointless.
Teaching history, this is

978
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,640
pointless guys.
We're going to just, we're going

979
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,800
to do some more maths.
History's already happened.

980
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Maths is the only subject I
love.

981
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,320
Right, moving on #3 use old
planning.

982
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,720
Do you know I can already sense
the kind of person listening to

983
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,040
this.
It might be like this is a

984
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,200
horrendous list.
What terrible practise.

985
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Awful.
What awful practitioners?

986
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,200
Do you not care about the kids?
Oh my God, obviously I do.

987
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,520
But I don't need to do new
slides every year to care about

988
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,120
my children.
Do you know what I did?

989
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,920
I planned my lessons really well
the first time around, right?

990
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,400
And I've been in Year 4 now for
four years.

991
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Do you know what hasn't changed?
How to add mixed numbers and a

992
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,840
fraction together.
Yeah.

993
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,880
You know what hasn't changed?
The representation that I've

994
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,360
planned.
Do you know what hasn't changed?

995
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,640
The thing the kids need to learn
at the end of Year 4 because the

996
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,400
curriculum stayed the same.
Do you know what has changed

997
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,000
though?
Your ability to adapt on the

998
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,360
spot 100% to.
Yeah, and I do it all the time.

999
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,720
What I don't need to do right is
so people, the pushback on this

1000
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,280
might be you can't choose old
planning because kids are

1001
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,080
different.
OK, My pushback would be kids

1002
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,920
are different and I can just use
the same planning because the

1003
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
not there's not only one way to
adapt your teaching.

1004
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,040
There's not only one way, which
is to change your slides to

1005
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,040
adapt because you know what I
could do?

1006
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,320
I could look at my class and be
like my class, my class are

1007
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,480
quite good at this actually.
I could probably sit there, look

1008
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,360
at this old planning and maybe
add some extra bits in or, or

1009
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,840
get rid of some stuff that's
kind of going over old things

1010
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,920
that I don't need anymore.
I could sit there and do that

1011
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,000
for 45 minutes, an hour, right?
Or I could use those slides and

1012
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,520
go, oh, next, next, next.
Don't need to do that anymore,

1013
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,600
right.
So that is the same thing.

1014
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560
And one of them requires me to
sit down and replan stuff for

1015
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,040
hours in my own time and have
less time with my son.

1016
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,840
And the other thing requires me
to use my.

1017
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,400
Professional judgement to go on
the spot.

1018
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,240
Actually, no, no, no, we're
going to go straight Oh to do.

1019
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,040
The thing you'll pay for and.
I'm with you.

1020
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,880
This is what winds me up so, so
much sometimes about this job,

1021
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,880
which is I'm paid as a teacher
to.

1022
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440
That's what I'm paid for.
That's why I'm paid quite well.

1023
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,880
That's why I'm a professional,
because I have the ability to,

1024
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,120
on the spot, realise or know
something and change and adapt

1025
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,280
it.
That is the teacher standards we

1026
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,560
talk about that are so
important.

1027
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,800
Yeah.
What is not showing that off is

1028
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,760
my ability to spend 2 hours
doing something at the weekend

1029
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,360
to change it like that.
This is not what I'm paid to do

1030
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
earlier in my career.
Maybe that was the right thing

1031
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,640
for me to do because I'm still
learning.

1032
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,120
Yeah, let me clarify something
because I can feel, I could feel

1033
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,440
someone misunderstanding
something, right?

1034
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,320
I want to clarify this.
You say use old planning.

1035
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,960
Let's say though, next year you
got, let's say at the moment

1036
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,320
you're teaching a lower ability
set, and then the next year

1037
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,520
you're teaching a higher ability
set in that same subject.

1038
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,240
Are you still saying Yep, use
the exact same planning?

1039
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,760
Yeah, of course not.
Of course not.

1040
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,320
Absolutely right.
What I'm saying is when the

1041
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,600
objective and the generic
outcomes of your class and the

1042
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,480
way they are are the same reuse
stuff.

1043
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,880
But what I'm also saying is if
you live in a live, if you live,

1044
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,800
I do live in a school, if you
work in a school with the right

1045
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,000
culture and outlook on this kind
of thing, yeah.

1046
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Then if you move classes or ever
to a different year group even,

1047
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,440
or a different type of set or
group of children, one of two

1048
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,080
things can happen.
You will re plan stuff, but you

1049
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,160
know what, your objectives are
probably still the same.

1050
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,360
We're talking about English and
maths.

1051
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,640
You might look at the structure
and expand it and find some more

1052
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,920
resources for your children, or
plan some more slides in, and

1053
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,720
even you might sometimes plan
from scratch.

1054
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,800
Well, I found when I've changed
like sort of learning groups, so

1055
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080
I've, I've, I've taught
children, but I've, I've had a

1056
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
set before who are, who are our
lowest 12 achievers.

1057
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,720
And my job was to really help
these kids like just just make

1058
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:09,120
progress basically at their
level, right.

1059
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,800
And then the next year, year,
I've taken the top 32.

1060
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,640
You can't compare.
So honestly, I've had to

1061
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,600
complete like zero of my
planning from the one year was

1062
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,560
applicable to next one because
everything was different.

1063
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
But what I could do, and this is
where a really good school in

1064
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,800
common place is, is I could use
the planning though of the

1065
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,520
teacher that was in that that's.
The year of family.

1066
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Like and not all of it.
I replanned bits of it because

1067
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,480
all for various reasons.
Some of it was just personal,

1068
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,280
some of it was because I feel
like these kids are different.

1069
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,840
What you planned, I'm trying.
To or you as a teacher might not

1070
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,240
necessarily think that that's
not my style, that's.

1071
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,400
My style, that's to you at that
point, but I could still use it

1072
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,280
was there as a basis.
It wasn't.

1073
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,440
There's a shame, I think in some
schools using someone elses

1074
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,840
planning that no, you should be
planning from scratch.

1075
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,360
It's your set now.
No, no, no, just you.

1076
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,120
It's there.
But like the thought experiment

1077
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,480
for me is this right?
Teaching has happened for a

1078
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,280
very, very, very long time.
And the curriculum also hasn't

1079
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,120
changed in quite a long time.
So for the last 10 years, 1010

1080
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,560
years, right, the curriculum has
changed.

1081
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,520
It's it's not true, right that
every single year since 2014,

1082
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,000
all teachers planning has got
better consistently community

1083
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:15,840
cumulate.
I can't speak cumulatively.

1084
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,840
You're right.
I'm all right now.

1085
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,640
Your your talking's definitely
not got better.

1086
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,440
I was trying to say cumulatively
you're teaching English.

1087
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,920
Cumulatively you're teaching.
No, I don't teach.

1088
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,360
I told you, Dylan, I didn't
teach maths.

1089
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,680
That's every plan.
How to pronounce words?

1090
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,280
Yeah, that might be good, but
it's not true.

1091
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Is it that like because?
It.

1092
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,760
Because it's not improved.
It's not improved cumulatively,

1093
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,640
right?
Because if it was like that

1094
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,520
would it doesn't make sense.
Of course, some planning 10

1095
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,640
years ago was honestly probably
better than some of the planning

1096
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,280
you made this year.
It didn't need to be replanned,

1097
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,480
but we did it anyway because we
have this culture, toxic

1098
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,280
culture.
Like unless you're spending the

1099
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
weekend planning, you know what,
what good are you doing for your

1100
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
for your students is not true.
So where you can use old

1101
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,160
planning, don't reinvent the
wheel, I guess is the point here

1102
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,480
where you can use old planning.
And there's a lot more

1103
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,520
situations where you can use old
planning than maybe you think.

1104
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Use old planning.
Tweak it or don't do anything to

1105
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,320
it.
If it's appropriate, adapt on

1106
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,160
the spot if you can.
If you look at it and think I

1107
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,040
can just tweak that in the
moment, do that then.

1108
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Yeah, and I think that's what
people conflate.

1109
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,760
They conflate the idea that if
you're not using your own new

1110
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040
planning and you're using
someone else's old planning, you

1111
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,800
being a lazy teacher who is not
adapting to your class, they are

1112
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,160
different things.
I adapt every single day.

1113
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,440
Do you know what?
Even if I planned from scratch,

1114
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,920
I would argue that it's bad
practise to not be adapting on

1115
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,280
the spot anyway.
So that that is so separate.

1116
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,840
That is a separate thing.
I could have planned from

1117
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
scratch and I'd still be
skipping past slides that when I

1118
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800
was planning, I thought, I put
this in case and the kids don't

1119
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800
need it and I'm like, quite they
don't need this skip past, skip

1120
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,760
past don't need it.
It's it's a different thing.

1121
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Do not conflate being a good
teacher, adapting stuff on the

1122
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,520
spot in front of your class to
what they need, which is what

1123
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,400
I'm paid professionally to do
with me spending four hours at

1124
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,440
the weekend planning from
scratch.

1125
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,520
These are not the same.
Do you think it's possible that

1126
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,720
a teacher out there, maybe even
us in the past, has planned a

1127
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,960
new lesson from scratch because
they think it's supposed to be

1128
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,840
done that way and ended up
planning a lesson that's worse

1129
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,880
than the one that already
existed?

1130
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,200
Yes, of course that exists.
Yes, of course that's happened,

1131
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,680
yes.
So that just again proves this

1132
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
whole point of like it does.
It's not essential to my plan.

1133
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,480
No 100%.
Anyway, point #4 hope you enjoy

1134
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
these points so far guys.
But point #4 is.

1135
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,960
What they could do there leaves
a review.

1136
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,800
We weren't in the middle.
Do you know because it's in the

1137
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,640
middle of the seven middle.
Yeah, people listening at the

1138
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,760
end they might drop off leaves a
review every going guys, we're

1139
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,040
going for over 200 on Spotify.
We're nearly there and on Apple

1140
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,680
podcast when people actually
write reviews.

1141
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
We've had such nice reviews in
the last week or two.

1142
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Please leave us a review
wherever you're at.

1143
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,840
And out of five stars they
should probably go.

1144
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,160
Probably 5, I think.
I reckon.

1145
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,360
Yeah.
Problem is, Dylan, by doing it

1146
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,440
in the middle, we've messed up,
weren't we?

1147
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Messed up.
Because they're listening so

1148
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,400
intently to this.
They're not gonna, they're not

1149
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,920
gonna stop and do it.
But maybe they will.

1150
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Maybe this time, Yeah, they'll
stop listening for a second and

1151
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,920
just give us a quick review.
That'd be nice.

1152
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,280
Maybe.
Anyway, back-to-back to.

1153
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,640
The point #4 #4 leave a review.
Yeah, this one's really.

1154
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,440
Linked to an episode we did
recently, but we didn't want to

1155
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,280
not we didn't want to leave it
out because it was it was so

1156
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,560
important.
We did a whole episode talking

1157
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,480
about it, but it's just stop
accepting automatically things

1158
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,720
that you know or even just to
have an opinion on that you

1159
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,920
think are not acceptable.
I think let's let's let's let's

1160
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,400
move this shift this from the
first point, which was being

1161
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,680
able to push back on stuff,
right.

1162
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Let's shift it to what you're
saying things you know are

1163
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,880
wrong, things you know, go
against what your contract says,

1164
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,240
OK things you know are actually
bad workplace practise.

1165
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,480
Don't just accept so the.
Actionable point then I guess

1166
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,240
really here is know your
contract.

1167
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,920
We did the whole episode about
knowing your contract, right?

1168
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,040
Know your contract, know that
you know, we've talked about

1169
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,320
this the whole this word, the
word reasonable.

1170
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,480
It's like the killer word in the
contract of teachers are

1171
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,240
expected to do a reasonable
amount extra outside of school

1172
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,160
outside of directed hours to get
the job done.

1173
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,840
It's the killer because some
people take it one way and some

1174
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,840
people take it the other way.
But remember, reasonable does go

1175
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,120
both ways.
You know, reasonable for who?

1176
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,200
Reasonable for you, reasonable
for the SLT because they want to

1177
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,600
meet stand like certain
standards they've set like

1178
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,200
you've you've got to have the
confidence to understand that

1179
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,400
your contract doesn't mean my
head teacher who is my boss of

1180
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,080
life gets to tell me what's
reasonable for my life.

1181
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,240
No, no, no, no.
That's not what it.

1182
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,720
Means, and you know, it's great.
There's literally a paragraph in

1183
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:56,080
that contract, if you know it
really well, that says those

1184
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,280
people cannot dictate to you
what reasonable is.

1185
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Yeah, it's not even us just
saying, oh, reasonable works

1186
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,040
both ways guys, let's interpret
it this way, which is great for

1187
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,400
us.
Read the contract.

1188
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,680
There is a paragraph that says
that SLT leadership, anyone else

1189
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,680
cannot tell you what reasonable
is and how much work to do and

1190
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,280
when to do it outside of
directed time.

1191
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,520
It is in writing.
I had a really interesting

1192
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,920
conversation with someone on
TikTok.

1193
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,000
I did, I did a video about about
this, about this idea of this

1194
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,160
reasonable part of the contract
because I I probably fall on the

1195
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,560
side and I still do that.
I think that ambiguity in that

1196
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,600
contract is the root cause of so
much burnout and, and teachers

1197
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,080
leading exploitation and
exploitation.

1198
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,360
That's the word and I still
think think that, but this, this

1199
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,360
guy had made, made what I
thought was a really interesting

1200
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,280
point.
I'd like to see what you think

1201
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,680
about it.
And his point was, Oh my God,

1202
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
no, we should not get rid of
this from the contract.

1203
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,080
The idea that we have this idea
of reasonable and this

1204
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,960
professional judgement comes in
is a real positive for the

1205
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,000
profession because it's a
contract.

1206
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,440
And like you said, it works both
ways.

1207
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,000
So what this does is it actually
should be giving the teacher the

1208
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,760
power to define what reasonable
is for them and the ability

1209
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,760
going back to .1 to push back
and say, no, no, no, I'm I'm

1210
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,920
professional at saying this is
not reasonable now.

1211
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,040
And his idea was let's, let's
not go down the bureaucratic

1212
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,800
route of putting an X amount of
time on it.

1213
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
So we have the 1265 plus
additional reasonable.

1214
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,560
Let's not change it to 1500
because for some staff that

1215
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,960
might mean they end up doing
more work and they might mean

1216
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,280
they're ticking some boxes and
things like that.

1217
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,720
And his my main criticism is
that that's amazing and I get

1218
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:30,400
what you're saying and we've got
the same outcome goal, but that

1219
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,880
it's already that and it doesn't
happen.

1220
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Yeah, OK.
I mean, you kind of said my

1221
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,960
point there.
So like the keyword and

1222
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,320
everything you said was the word
should.

1223
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Yeah.
His use of modal verbs, they're

1224
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,480
like, you know, yeah, the
teachers should be using.

1225
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Yeah, but they're.
Not yeah, we have to all be on

1226
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,160
the same.
Page I love ideology like I

1227
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,640
often live in an ideological
version of the world in my head

1228
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,680
and I and I strive towards it.
And when we went on strike, it's

1229
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,440
because I'm pushing for this
ideology and then nothing

1230
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,480
happened after, you know, we
talked about it after in a

1231
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,200
different episode, but I really
do like ideologies and I and I

1232
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,880
think the sentiment is great.
Yeah, it is.

1233
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:01,920
It is potentially a really good
thing that it says reasonable in

1234
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,920
the contract and therefore we
can interpret it and we have

1235
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,040
this lower cap and reasonable
extra.

1236
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,600
It's kind of what we champion it
to be, but we don't.

1237
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,280
So it's kind of a point to point
because do you know what it's

1238
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,720
that reasonable?
It's been around like it's not

1239
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,640
like it's brand new and we're in
the first year and we're finding

1240
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,720
our feet.
We're no, no, it's been in the

1241
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:19,560
contract for decades.
It's been there for a long time.

1242
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,320
And and it doesn't that's the
ideology isn't the reality.

1243
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,480
The reality is teachers are
being massively exploited for

1244
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,840
for this word reasonable way,
way, way more proportionally,

1245
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,960
like disproportionately than the
amount of teachers who are

1246
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,520
managing to.
If we did put a cap of 1500

1247
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,520
hours, I don't, I don't think
there's I think there's a small

1248
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,600
percentage of teachers that
would negatively be impacted.

1249
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,400
Like, Oh, I was only doing 1419
lime an hour.

1250
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,280
Blooming, Blooming Eck, is what
we say as teachers because we

1251
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,640
don't swear.
Yeah.

1252
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,560
So I don't know.
I think I, you know, I wouldn't

1253
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,120
get angry at this person.
I think it's a really nice

1254
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,760
point.
But I just think, yeah, the

1255
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,280
reality kind of speaks for
itself, though, doesn't it?

1256
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Because, yeah, we should be.
But we should have been doing

1257
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,400
that for the last 15 years and
we haven't.

1258
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:55,720
So.
And.

1259
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,320
There's a whole bunch of stuff
we weren't going to now.

1260
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,160
We did it previously in
different episodes about how

1261
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
knowing your contract can impact
your PPA, impact your your

1262
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,200
workplace rights.
You know, literally just how

1263
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,760
many hours you should be doing
in a week.

1264
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,120
Like when it comes to weeks like
we've just been through which

1265
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,720
which have parents evening.
Maybe I've had people who've had

1266
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,000
also had twilight in the same
week as parents evening.

1267
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,440
Just tot up your hours and know
that actually you shouldn't

1268
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,920
doesn't go above a certain
amount every week.

1269
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,120
That is literally your working
rights.

1270
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,000
So knowing that, stop accepting
things and, and this is the

1271
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,200
actionable thing.
If you literally, if you know

1272
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,440
your contract, you can literally
in black and white send an

1273
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,720
e-mail, snip something in, tag a
union Rep and and bring this up.

1274
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,840
This is not acceptable because
our contract says this.

1275
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,160
I've tagged my union Rep.
No, it doesn't have to be

1276
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,080
personal.
Crack on.

1277
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,720
Crack on.
But we're not doing it.

1278
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,240
Let's get on to #5 Go ahead.
Go on, number 50, me again, Look

1279
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,640
at that.
Distinguishing between what's

1280
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,440
nice for the kids, like things
that you do that are nice.

1281
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,840
Well, that's nice, isn't it?
And actually impactful like so

1282
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,080
you just have this split in your
head of tasks.

1283
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,720
What do you mean though?
Because nice is like, you know,

1284
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,680
bigging them up a bit.
Well done mate.

1285
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,680
Are we, are we saying things
I've got in my head straight

1286
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,680
away clarify for me or not?
I'm thinking that you mean

1287
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,960
things like writing in the book
next to a smiley.

1288
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Wow, what a lovely paragraph
you've written, Johnny.

1289
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,960
That kind of thing for every
child every single day is nice,

1290
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,800
but it's not necessarily having
an impact.

1291
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,280
And as teachers we might think,
but it's lovely.

1292
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,840
It's part of my job.
You're saying listen, just do

1293
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,000
it.
Literally that sort of thing.

1294
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,400
OK.
And even that someone could

1295
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,360
argue no, it is having an impact
because it's a bit positive on

1296
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,640
their mind.
There's always an argument for

1297
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,280
everything.
I think it's very hard to define

1298
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,640
precisely.
Like black, like zeros and ones.

1299
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,760
This is only nice.
This is only impactful, but

1300
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,240
there is a scale there where you
can probably determine something

1301
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,600
as like, we're just doing this
because we think it's nice, but

1302
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:37,760
it's not really having an
impact.

1303
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,480
And if that thing is then adding
loads of workload, you should

1304
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,680
probably think about cutting
that thing in half or even

1305
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,560
scrapping it all together.
Like there's a nice actual thing

1306
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,000
here of start thinking about
everything you do as is this

1307
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,640
impactful for the children or am
I doing it because it looks

1308
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,520
good?
Is it an optic?

1309
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,200
Is it nice?
Is it because or I haven't

1310
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,800
written in the if your thought
train to writing something in

1311
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,920
the book is I haven't written, I
haven't written in that book in

1312
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,280
a certain amount of time, so I
better write in that book today.

1313
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,280
If that's the reason you're
writing the book, you're doing

1314
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,400
it because you think it's nice.
Sure you're not doing it because

1315
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,760
you think it's impactful,
because if you thought it's

1316
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,560
impactful, you would have done
it automatically because you're

1317
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,760
a teacher.
You do that already, right?

1318
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,120
And I've culled that sort of
stuff completely from my life.

1319
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,880
Like I really, if you look at my
books, if I write something in

1320
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,080
their book, it's because I think
it's going to have an impact.

1321
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,040
I honestly almost never write in
their books now, like

1322
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,360
acknowledgement stuff.
Sometimes, sometimes you'll see

1323
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,280
in my book that hang on because
sometimes you will see in my

1324
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,360
book.
Oh, well done.

1325
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,040
You did a really good bit here
because you know why?

1326
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Because that child, I know it
will have have an impact on them

1327
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,440
because they've got a really low
self.

1328
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,880
Esteem so you don't acknowledge
your kids ever.

1329
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
You're horrible.
Yeah, never in the hour that

1330
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:37,640
they teach them in that. 1
exactly.

1331
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,880
Right.
Like I acknowledge them all the

1332
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,040
time and I acknowledge them even
after the lesson.

1333
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,440
I say look for all your work
last night.

1334
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,880
And it was fantastic.
Boom, done.

1335
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,480
Look at that.
I just saved an hour because

1336
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,920
everyone's immediately got the
same feedback.

1337
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,600
It doesn't make a difference.
But for that one kid, I did

1338
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,080
write a really nice comment in
them because I know they've been

1339
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,040
working really hard recently and
that's going to have an impact.

1340
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,440
For this kid, though, I didn't
write that.

1341
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,880
I didn't write anything at all.
And this other child, they got

1342
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,440
something wrong and I wrote a
little note there to help them

1343
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,320
because I think it was a really
easy misconception that I can

1344
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,880
explain in words.
And for this other child, they

1345
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,920
made a misconception.
I don't think it'll be impactful

1346
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,480
for me to write it in words
because it was complex.

1347
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,480
I'm going to talk to them
tomorrow.

1348
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,680
I'm a teacher.
Your teachers as well.

1349
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,720
You know what's impactful?
So basically the, the actionable

1350
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,240
point here, I'm not letting
Dylan speak at all.

1351
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:14,520
You're right.
I'm going and going.

1352
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600
The actionable point here is
decide in your head everything

1353
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,480
you do at school from now on.
What is just on the side of I'm

1354
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,280
doing it because it's nice or
I'm doing it because it's an

1355
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,560
optic and I have to be seen to
be doing this thing, but it

1356
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,000
doesn't have any impact.
And what things actually, I

1357
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,760
think having an impact, because
I'm a professional teacher, I

1358
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,120
know what actually has an impact
on kids or not Stop doing the

1359
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,120
nice things or just just half
them, just half them and find

1360
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,600
that you're just cutting back a
bit more time.

1361
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,640
If your policies every single
day you have to write something

1362
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,360
in the books, honestly start
doing it half as much and then

1363
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
challenge the policy.
It goes back at the.

1364
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120
End of the year, you can say, oh
look, my guys, really weird

1365
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,080
this.
I stopped doing this a month

1366
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,040
ago.
I didn't tell any of you, but I

1367
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,680
stopped doing it a month ago and
I made the exact same progress

1368
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,080
as everybody else.
So maybe we're all just wasting

1369
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,880
our time doing this, and we
could, we could get back some

1370
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,520
time for us teachers, see what
they say.

1371
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,840
Be be the change you want to
see.

1372
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,520
Sometimes I completely agree
with you and yeah, don't feel

1373
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,280
guilty because someone else is
doing something.

1374
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,720
This is what happens with
teaching.

1375
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:09,040
Last point in this #5 so often I
see someone think, oh, well,

1376
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,400
that person is doing.
I've got to, yeah, that person

1377
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,720
is doing, Oh my gosh, I've got
to do it.

1378
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:14,080
I feel awful.
They're doing it.

1379
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,880
I've got to do it.
That's not a reason to do

1380
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,840
something.
Yeah, that is not alone a reason

1381
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,600
to do something.
There have been multiple times

1382
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,800
where another teacher has done
something and I've thought,

1383
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,760
damn, that's good, I'm going to
use that tomorrow.

1384
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,720
That is amazing.
Wow.

1385
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,280
I can see how that will impact
my kids.

1386
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,360
That's what I thought.
There've been multiple other

1387
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,520
times where someone's gone.
Oh, I write this thing on the

1388
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,000
board every day and I've thought
that's great, but it would not

1389
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,520
have any impact on my kids, so
I'm not going to do it.

1390
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,800
I don't think.
Oh gosh, am I not doing the same

1391
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,520
as everyone?
Oh my gosh, I don't spend as

1392
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,960
long.
I don't spend as long marking as

1393
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,560
someone else.
Doesn't that mean we all have to

1394
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,200
mark more?
No.

1395
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Do you know what maybe means?
Do you know what potentially it

1396
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,120
might mean?
We'll have to mark less, so

1397
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,400
let's just not jump onto that
bandwagon of more is better.

1398
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,280
Let's do a couple more examples
because I feel like I did this a

1399
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,360
lot more when I was a younger
teacher, right?

1400
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,760
I mean, firstly, just your
example of like you see other

1401
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,080
staff doing things.
Here's a really good one.

1402
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,680
I've seen loads of times in my
career.

1403
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,200
I've seen teachers like sticking
things into children's books

1404
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,400
because they're like, oh, the
children are just messy and I

1405
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,920
want this in their books really
nice and neat.

1406
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,040
So they stick it all in like pre
stick it in four and they might

1407
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,800
take the books home that evening
and like get all this thing

1408
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,200
prepared and I'm like that's
nice.

1409
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,360
I'm just going to give them 3
minutes to stick it in

1410
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,040
themselves.
And if it's slightly messy, I

1411
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,680
don't really care because it's
not actually going to have any

1412
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,280
impact on anything.
It just looks nice.

1413
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,520
That's one really good example.
It's like you wasted an hour.

1414
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,640
I wasted zero time and the
outcomes were honestly the same.

1415
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,920
And and wasted is such a it's a
strong word because for them

1416
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,120
that might that might that they
might not care doing that.

1417
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,400
This is the thing that I'm I
really want to push as well is

1418
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,680
that I don't care if people do
that.

1419
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Yeah, yeah, I honestly don't
like.

1420
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,760
I personally don't care if that
person wants to take it home and

1421
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,600
stick it in when I would care as
if then there's a book look like

1422
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,640
this person's cheats are really
lovely and yours are messy.

1423
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,360
Can you sort out, please?
I'm sorry, No.

1424
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,000
The only reason they're they do
that is they take it home for an

1425
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,400
hour and I'm not gonna do that.
But that that's when there's a

1426
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,800
problem.
Yeah, that's when it's an issue.

1427
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,840
When it becomes the bar and that
person taking it home should be

1428
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,520
the first person to say, Oh no,
no, I I just did that because I

1429
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,440
want to.
Yeah, it's absolutely should not

1430
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,680
be having spending an hour doing
that.

1431
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,000
That's up to you.
Here's another one.

1432
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
Early in my career, probably the
first five years of my career,

1433
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
every single half term, I'd make
sure in my half term break that

1434
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,680
I would sit down with a
document, an Excel sheet.

1435
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,120
I'd make my, I'd make my class
in an Excel sheet and I'd do a

1436
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,720
seating plan, do a new seating
plan.

1437
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,640
I'd really think it through.
I'd even used to attach like

1438
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,080
some data to it and stuff like
what the hell I was doing like,

1439
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Oh yeah, these kids are here
because they're for this reason.

1440
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,200
Like there's the case they're
not anywhere by cheques.

1441
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,440
You know, I've got these
children here because they're

1442
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,600
laurability.
I've got them, put them here,

1443
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,040
here, and here's their data
point from last time.

1444
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,320
Now I get a scrap piece of paper
on the first day of term.

1445
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,000
If I want to change this,
sometimes I don't want to change

1446
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,720
it.
I'm like, no, they're in a

1447
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:35,040
you're in a good position.
They come in, we're changing

1448
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,120
seats.
No, I think you're in a good

1449
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,080
place to learn.
Sit down.

1450
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,920
Done.
Other times I scrap their paper,

1451
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,320
draw it up and map out the
classroom.

1452
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,720
I have, I think 5 minutes past
that.

1453
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,720
Sat there in registration maybe.
Or I'll do it over, you know,

1454
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,600
the lunchtime or the next day or
whatever, and I'll do a seat

1455
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,200
plan like that.
It was nice what I was doing

1456
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,040
before, Yeah.
Didn't have any impact, though.

1457
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,320
I didn't need to.
Do it, and if it did, it was

1458
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,240
minimal, not worth your.
Time.

1459
00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,280
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It was too far on the scale

1460
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,680
towards Nice for me to justify
doing it.

1461
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,040
And one last thing, Displays.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1462
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,680
I used to come in every half
term and do displays.

1463
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,640
What's wrong with me doing get a
life mate?

1464
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,760
Literally.
I'd go and go and touch graph.

1465
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,280
Yeah, exactly.
I'd come in in the half term,

1466
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,880
every single half term, and get
my new displays ready for the

1467
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,840
time.
Not a single child in my whole

1468
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,320
career has ever commented on
one.

1469
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
They don't care, no.
Kids, can I tell you one thing?

1470
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,960
The only time I've ever seen a
display of yours get so much

1471
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,120
attention and so much love, Oh
yeah, was a whiteboard display

1472
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:25,560
where you write a Riddle.
Yeah, I wrote a daily.

1473
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Riddle nothing to do with
actually doing displays coming

1474
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,800
in for hours now it's just a
daily Riddle which would have

1475
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,400
taken you 10 seconds, had 10
times more impact, 100 times

1476
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,920
more of an impact on your class
yeah than any display you've

1477
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,640
ever done other than yeah,
literally, but there you go

1478
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,920
like.
And even that, and even that was

1479
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,640
just nice.
Yeah, it was just no one needs

1480
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,840
to do.
And if you're really under

1481
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,240
pressure, you can stop doing
that.

1482
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,320
But if if you want to do it, do
it.

1483
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,040
I might not.
It doesn't mean I'm a worse

1484
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,480
teacher than you.
It means brilliant.

1485
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:51,600
Well done, pal.
That's great.

1486
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,920
You want to do.
It so I'll leave the point on

1487
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,880
that.
Then cut, cut the cut tasks in

1488
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,680
your head into nice and
impactful on a scale.

1489
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,400
Which ones on the nice side can
you maybe stop doing altogether

1490
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,840
or at least cut a little bit
back to buy back some of your

1491
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:02,960
time?
You'll be surprised how many

1492
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,040
things you can do with minimal
minimal negative impact at all.

1493
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,680
Are you ready for the most
controversial point?

1494
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,960
This is This is number six.
This is number six.

1495
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,880
You as a teacher do not have as
much impact on the outcomes of

1496
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,160
these children as you might
think.

1497
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,440
You do what?
What do you mean?

1498
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,080
You're telling me that my job is
pointless?

1499
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,000
No, not at all.
I'm saying you have an impact,

1500
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,400
but it's not as impactful as you
might think.

1501
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,880
And there are other things that
come into play than the quality

1502
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,480
of your teaching as to the
outcomes of the children.

1503
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,640
This, I can imagine, would get a
lot of people's backs up.

1504
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,040
Yeah.
Because you, you you would take

1505
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,280
it the wrong way.
Yeah, of course you would.

1506
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,560
I feel like I take it the wrong
way.

1507
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,240
Yeah.
What do you mean?

1508
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,880
I don't have as much impact as I
think I do?

1509
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,800
Yeah.
That's rude.

1510
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Yeah.
What are you saying to me?

1511
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,280
What I'm saying is you can have
an impact on the outcomes of

1512
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,480
children Attainment.
I'm talking about attainment.

1513
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,720
So I can have an impact.
You can have an impact, but it's

1514
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,360
small.
OK.

1515
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,560
The outcomes of children and how
they do educationally wise is

1516
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,360
far more correlated to their
their their intelligence.

1517
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Yeah, it's far more correlated
to their personal

1518
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,240
characteristics and their
traits.

1519
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,720
That is going to have much more
of an impact on their outcomes

1520
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,240
than the teacher in front of
them.

1521
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,640
OK.
And how are you backing this?

1522
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,440
Up.
I'm backing this up with

1523
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,680
research.
This is from the Cambridge

1524
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,320
University Press.
It's been released by Douglas

1525
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,040
Detterman.
Douglas K Detterman, you can

1526
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,560
search this up.
And the title is Education and

1527
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Intelligence.
Pity the poor teacher because

1528
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,240
student characteristics are more
significant than teachers or

1529
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,560
schools.
And it could get you back up

1530
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:36,800
when you hear that.
And I get it.

1531
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,640
But when you read it, it makes
complete sense.

1532
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,360
So there's a bit of a thought
experiment here.

1533
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,560
Imagine you get 50 classes of
children.

1534
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,840
OK.
And in these fifty classes of

1535
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,040
children, the ability of the
children is completely mixed.

1536
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,840
There's no streaming whatsoever.
There's mixed ability classes,

1537
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,280
50 of them.
And you have 50 teachers, OK.

1538
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,640
And they're all various degrees
of teaching, right?

1539
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,960
And how competent they are as a
teacher, because whatever metric

1540
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,360
you want to go by, there are
some teachers that are better

1541
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,480
than others.
That's just.

1542
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,120
Whatever it is, we've.
Whatever it is.

1543
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,800
From like best teachers, the
worst teachers.

1544
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,080
It sounds silly, but I get the
idea that completely right.

1545
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,560
So in this first set with the
mixed classes, we put the

1546
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,480
teachers from best teacher
making the most impact possible,

1547
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,600
to the lowest teacher to making
the least impact.

1548
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,320
Possible, right?
And we give them all a class.

1549
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,000
We give them all a class that's
mixed ability, and what we see

1550
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,240
is the teachers who are better
at making better outcomes do

1551
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,880
make more progress than the
other teachers at the bottom.

1552
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,240
Right.
So the outcomes of the children

1553
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,720
that top class yeah, are better,
are better the children with the

1554
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,360
quote unquote worst.
Exactly.

1555
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,160
The teacher who isn't as good at
getting progress.

1556
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,480
That's true.
That happens.

1557
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,520
However, what we do then is we
take another set of 50 classes

1558
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,480
with 20 children, but this time,
instead of ranking the teachers

1559
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,400
from their ability, we're now
going to stream the children.

1560
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,200
So we have 50 classes of 20
children.

1561
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,880
So that's 1000 children and we
take the top 20 children each

1562
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,360
time and they're in the top set,
they're in the top group and we

1563
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,120
take the next 20.
So ranking the kids and the next

1564
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,280
intelligence exactly that.
We're ranking the children by

1565
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,960
their characteristics and their
intelligence.

1566
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,000
We see way more of a move
regardless of what teachers with

1567
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,800
each class because we don't rank
the teachers anymore.

1568
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,640
It's completely random.
So the teachers are mixed.

1569
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,520
The teachers are mixed.
The best teacher might be with

1570
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,040
the lowest class, or the middle
teacher might be with the best

1571
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,040
class, or what we say is the
worst teacher might be with the

1572
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,160
third best.
It's completely.

1573
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,360
Random.
Yeah, all the teachers could

1574
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,520
even be just the same level.
Of exactly that, whatever,

1575
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,560
whatever it is, No, with this
case, the teachers are

1576
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:32,360
different.
That's the point.

1577
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,840
That is literally the point
because the ability of the

1578
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,440
teacher doesn't have as much of
an impact because what happens

1579
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,160
is the children at the top make
the most progress no matter what

1580
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,200
teacher they're with, right?
And the point of this experiment

1581
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,040
is, yes, we have an impact, but
by far and away the biggest

1582
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,280
impact on a child's ability and
outcome and intelligence and

1583
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,640
growth is themselves.
It already will be happening

1584
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,640
because of how they are as a
rounded individual.

1585
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,960
Can I read the little bit of
summary here?

1586
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,840
Because I think I get that.
That made complete sense to me.

1587
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,080
I get that, right.
So like I'm going to give you

1588
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,320
numbers now for the difference,
right?

1589
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,680
So what what this study show,
well tried to show at least, was

1590
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:12,920
that teachers in that first
analogy accounted for 1% to 7%

1591
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,400
of total variance of every level
of education.

1592
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,680
So we're saying like the
difference between that that

1593
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,480
bottom like that worst teacher
with a mixed ability class and

1594
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,160
that amazing the the best
whatever best means teacher was

1595
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,480
like 7% was the difference.
It accounts for 7% of of like

1596
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,680
the yeah, the impact we can make
on on education.

1597
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,640
Whereas for students, the
intelligence, just their

1598
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,360
intelligence accounts for 90% of
the variance associated with

1599
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,680
learning gains.
So essentially like it was,

1600
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,240
yeah, like you said, the the top
ability children made the most

1601
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,120
progress anyway, regardless of
what teachers had.

1602
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,760
And and what you said to me
earlier is someone you've spoken

1603
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,200
to, someone who's essentially
told you that in your career,

1604
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,000
Like, yeah.
No, this, so this again is it's

1605
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,640
not nice.
And people might be thinking,

1606
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,320
well, yeah, obviously if
children are more intelligent,

1607
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,400
of course they're going to make
more progress that that just

1608
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,600
very quickly before we go on to
what I was told, the whole point

1609
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,560
here is exactly, exactly.
So when you're ploughing extra

1610
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,320
loads of extra stuff into to and
being the best teacher you can

1611
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,680
be, it does have an impact.
But like we need to just it's

1612
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,000
not as much as we might think it
is.

1613
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,240
So I was told, I remember I did,
I had a lesson observation and

1614
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,360
this is from SLTA while ago.
This has really stuck on me

1615
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,560
since.
And essentially they said I had

1616
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:25,480
a class of 32 and they said 25
of these children, no matter

1617
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,520
what you did, would have been
absolutely fine.

1618
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,120
This lesson, no matter what, no
matter how you taught, no matter

1619
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,880
what you did, they would have
behaved themselves well.

1620
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,760
They have the characteristics to
listen.

1621
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,240
They would have made progress.
Do the work.

1622
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,400
Because they would have done the
work that's in front of them and

1623
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,640
they would have got better at
science.

1624
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,640
There's another 10% which could
go either way.

1625
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,000
And that's down to maybe your
ability then to help them and to

1626
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,240
keep them on task.
And he, and he even said this to

1627
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,560
me, there are 10% who it
honestly doesn't matter what you

1628
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,360
do, they're going to find this
really tricky.

1629
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,680
They're not quite accessing this
because they're just at that

1630
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,760
same level or they're so
disruptive that they won't do

1631
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,120
any learning no matter what kind
of thing you do.

1632
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,760
So his whole point now was, I'm
not sure if he was trying to

1633
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,440
make this point, but it really
stuck with me From my point of

1634
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,080
view was cool.
I have an impact on 10% of these

1635
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,680
children.
I, I have an impact in terms of

1636
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:16,080
their progress and how much
extra things they can learn is

1637
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,200
quite small and is smaller than
most teachers like to hear.

1638
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,880
And where I can have a big
impact on these children is more

1639
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,800
socially being a safe space,
letting them talk about their

1640
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,600
feelings, being a part of a room
where we can make mistakes, et

1641
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,480
cetera.
I don't want to diminish all of

1642
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:34,840
that 'cause I think it's really
important.

1643
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:39,960
My point here, number six, is we
don't have as much of an impact

1644
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,200
as we think we do.
So next time you're justifying.

1645
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,120
Oh God.
But I just love the kids.

1646
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,520
So I'm gonna spend 8 hours on
Sunday replanning this stuff to

1647
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,240
make it really, really amazing.
You're having a one to 7%

1648
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,400
difference.
You're having a one to 7%

1649
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:54,840
difference.
Across the year, and that's one

1650
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,760
lesson exactly.
You're ploughing 8 hours into

1651
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:57,960
into one week.
Sorry.

1652
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,280
Yeah.
And across the whole year,

1653
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,880
you're having a one to one to 7%
variance on their ability.

1654
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,640
Yeah, it's a really important
point.

1655
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
And it sounds like, you know, I
don't want anyone to listen to

1656
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,960
this being like, God, these guys
are like buzz kill negative.

1657
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,760
It can sound really negative.
What I don't want you to take

1658
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,840
from this is that we're that we
think that therefore you

1659
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:14,720
shouldn't do anything.
No.

1660
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,080
Yeah, completely.
That's not what we're saying.

1661
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,760
What we're saying here is if you
want to take back control of

1662
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,840
your life as a teacher and start
gaining, you know, getting some

1663
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,000
of your hours back outside of
school, you've done your

1664
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,760
reasonable hours and more,
right?

1665
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,600
Start looking at some of the
tasks you do that you have given

1666
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,920
importance to, significant
importance to in your mind,

1667
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,320
maybe because of your own
beliefs or because of the

1668
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,480
culture of the school that
you're in that have really

1669
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,880
forced you to kind of think this
way and challenge it.

1670
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,600
Because what you're, what we're
saying here is you'll find that

1671
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,720
if you stopped doing a lot of
these things, you might think,

1672
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,040
oh, that's going to have such a
big impact because you've put so

1673
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,400
much importance on it.
And what we're saying is it

1674
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,680
probably won't at all.
It probably won't have that much

1675
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,360
impact at all because teachers,
we have a much smaller impact on

1676
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,080
children's academic success than
we think they do.

1677
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,160
So that I'm going to reiterate
one other point you said,

1678
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,560
because I want to be so clear
here.

1679
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:02,280
No one.
No one.

1680
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,840
I was back at us with like
saying, well, we think something

1681
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,280
we don't.
Wait until this is slipped into

1682
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,000
a one minute.
Real, literally, yeah, quite,

1683
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,680
you know, 10 minute real is that
we are talking about academic

1684
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,200
intelligence.
You know, we're talking about

1685
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,440
that kind of success here.
We are not talking about the

1686
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,320
impact we can have on children
holistically, which what Dylan

1687
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,280
was talking about, the social
stuff.

1688
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,520
This is a different
conversation.

1689
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:22,800
We are advocates for.
School should be a safe space

1690
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,160
for children to enjoy their life
and have fun and become lovely

1691
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,200
people.
That is where I want to be

1692
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,920
spending my time, having an
impact on children.

1693
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,840
I'm not, however, going to go
home on on Sunday and change all

1694
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,320
of my fonts because the school
has now decided there's a new

1695
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,040
font policy because it will
have, and in this case, I'm

1696
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,120
being honest, that will have 0%
impact on the outcomes of the

1697
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,320
children socially or
academically.

1698
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,640
It will have absolutely none.
It's not even going to snip into

1699
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,760
the 1%.
Like there are some things that

1700
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:52,920
are so absurd they don't do
anything.

1701
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,680
But there's, there's other
things that I might deem as, do

1702
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,520
you know what that probably
would have a 1% impact.

1703
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,200
I reckon I would see a 1%
difference if I did this thing.

1704
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,880
But this thing across the year
is going to take me a total of

1705
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,360
about 80 to 90 hours if I
implemented it.

1706
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,360
And it's just not worth it.
And as a professional you should

1707
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:15,160
be able to say that's not worth
it. 1% difference for 80 hours

1708
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,400
of my time is not a fair trade
on top of the hours I already

1709
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,680
do, so I'm not gonna do it.
And you're not a bad teacher for

1710
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,120
doing that.
And if someone wants to argue

1711
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,120
that it is, you're bad.
You need to do that.

1712
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,160
Just ask them why they're not
doing 120 hours.

1713
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,320
Yeah, just ask them why they're
not doing 160 hours.

1714
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,640
Oh, you do have a cut off.
Cool.

1715
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,720
Mine's at a different place.
You don't care about the kids.

1716
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,880
You could do another 10 hours a
week.

1717
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,880
Yeah, Yeah, I could, but.
But I've got to have my dinner.

1718
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,120
No, you don't.
You could have a little snack

1719
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:37,200
whilst you're doing.
You're you're you're.

1720
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,120
No.
It're absurd.

1721
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,360
You can always face the same
argument.

1722
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,160
It's just push, push, push, push
until they realise that there is

1723
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,400
no line to come.
Full circle here while we finish

1724
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,600
up.
I think what this does

1725
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,880
beautifully is it comes back to
our passion that we were saying

1726
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,200
earlier about parents evening
when we're talking about the

1727
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,480
holistic view of the child and
how that is the most important

1728
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,240
thing.
That is the thing that we see

1729
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,480
have the biggest impact on
attainment, have the biggest

1730
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,960
impact on all outcomes in school
is how well-rounded we can build

1731
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,640
this child.
And it takes a village to raise

1732
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,880
a child and a school's role is
in that too.

1733
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,560
And I think we forget that
sometimes.

1734
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,920
We're so obsessed with data and
league tables and attainment.

1735
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,440
Yes, that's important.
But when it comes to parents

1736
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,400
evening and yes, opposite the
parents of a child that you're

1737
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,200
with every single day, I want
that child to be polite, kind,

1738
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,520
well-rounded, happy, safe.
And if we can build that

1739
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,000
together, that is going to have
much more of an impact on that

1740
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,319
child's outcomes, including
attainment than anything else I

1741
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,399
can do at the weekend on a slide
changing a font.

1742
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,680
There we go, there we have it,
the finale from dinner.

1743
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,120
What a lovely point to finish on
and I hope you really, really

1744
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,760
hope you enjoyed the six points
and I hope you've managed to

1745
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,319
action some of them at least,
even straight away and.

1746
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,279
Yeah.
And can I pick up everyone who

1747
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,880
listens to us and understands
what we're saying without trying

1748
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,920
to be malicious because that
does it really does make up

1749
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,520
because we we love the kids.
And I love it when people

1750
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,080
message us and say your passion
really shines through about how

1751
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,479
much you love teaching the
children, etcetera.

1752
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,359
Yes, that's everything we're
saying here.

1753
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,120
We love the kids, we love our
colleagues, we want to help

1754
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,040
everyone and this is our goal.
So thank you to everyone who

1755
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,479
listens and says, yeah, guys,
well done because that is what

1756
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:07,920
we're trying to do.
So I appreciate that.

1757
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,760
Appreciate you guys.
Anyway, until next time, bye.