Ep 106: How Can Teachers Eat Well Easily & Overcome Bad Food Habits? Top Tips With Charlie Burley (The Teachers' Health Coach)

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Hello everyone and welcome.
Back to another episode.

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Come on, Dylan.
We said we were going to do it

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together.
No, we didn't.

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We didn't.
We didn't, I decided.

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We were going to do.
It another episode of Teacher

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Pete.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name is Hayden.
But yeah, you did it quick.

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Quick for you, my friend.
Quick now before we crack on

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this week very quickly.
Thank you so much to everyone

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And it's helpful.
And I can't think of any more

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words with the root word.
Help help ish help ish.

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Help us helplessly help us.
You're like one of those.

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You'll be, you'll become, you've
become one of those Youtubers.

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You know when they're like
you've been watching my they're

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all American, all you just
American.

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You've been watching my we've
got 5 million viewers, but only

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19% of you subscribed.
So make sure you subscribe, you

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get the latest content.
Do you know, you can really tell

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the kids who are like, raised on
YouTube because they speak in an

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American accent?
It's insane.

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And you got like, kids in the
most, like, leafy part of Kent

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in southern England.
And I'll come and go.

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Hey guys, It's like you've been
watching Miss My Name is Miss

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Tracy.
Is it I?

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Don't know and miss someone.
Oh what's her name?

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Everyone hating on her for some
reason, aren't they?

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I don't.
I don't.

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It sounds like I'm doing it now
as well.

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I don't care who you are, but
you just can tell the kids who

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were raised on like Americanisms
and.

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Stuff, Yeah.
And then and then you get the

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old one.
I don't know about you if you've

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seen this, but they they were
right, Mum, but MOM actually in

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their work.
And I'm like, whoa, you really

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are.
Hey mum, I'm going to take the

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trash out of the faucet.
Go grab the trunk.

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Oh no, the what's the word for
Obji?

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I'm just dying at this.
What's the word for his

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eggplant?
I'm going to chop the eggplant

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and put it in the trash can.
Should we do the whole episode

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in American Ice is really.
Bad, Sure, but first let's go

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for a walk on the sidewalk.
What's?

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Wrong with what you do.
I tell you what, though, I was

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looking at the the 2017 SAT
paper.

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Yeah, as you do.
I was.

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Looking.
Segue.

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Tell you what, though, I'm
talking about, by the way, a

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bunch of our listeners are
American.

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Hi.
Hey, guys.

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Just very different, okay.
I bet they couldn't tell that we

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weren't American for a minute
just then.

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I just want to let everyone know
if you're listening, you're

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happy to be American.
There is another I in aluminium.

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Oh, here we go.
Don't start a war.

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No, I just want to, that's all.
That's all.

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I don't.
I think some of the stuff we say

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is crazy.
It's aluminium, OK?

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It's not.
It's if you're American.

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It's not anyway OK.
We can change these words, they

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can change the words.
They've got the right OK.

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So you just in your free time,
just in the 2017.

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Week I was of course, as you
know making more contest I was

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making a video walkthrough of
the 2017 reading paper because

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on our YouTube channel for we're
trying to make walk throughs for

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the papers right and and I did
notice that the that the first

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story is like Gabby and the cat
quite a famous one because it's

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got.
That is this the Spanish

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speaking?
Yeah, it's got the questions.

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Like who else speaks Spanish in
the text?

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And so many kids put the cat
like it's just a running meme of

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fruit.
You know, as teachers, I'll tell

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you what we've.
Given a Spanish cat in the 2017

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reading.
Form we know how to have a

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laughter with us teachers.
If you're not a teacher and you

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want some serious banter in your
life, get involved with the Sats

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and it's all fun and games.
Just walk into the staff.

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Room and go.
Do you have the one about the

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Spanish cat?
Flawed.

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Flawed.
Yeah.

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Funniest thing you can, really.
Will also even funnier than that

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is is the text is American and
it has mum spelt and it mmom why

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I don't know but it's obviously
of American extracts or

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something like that.
But I did think that was

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interesting to choose for.
The for an English for an.

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English stats paper and where
one of the answers is mum as

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well.
And I'm like, oh, I wonder how

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many kids were like, do I write
mum like with AU or with an O?

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Because it's from the text.
We hasn't.

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Oh, yeah, we'll go through it.
Yeah.

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I thought that was.
I thought that was interesting.

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That's strange, but that, that's
about as that's about as

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exciting as my life.
Is really actually.

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Oh, I was waiting for the the
peak of this story.

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No, I realised.
I sort of realised at the end

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how uninteresting.
It was I think this is a a

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euphemism for our entire
podcast.

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Just do teachers that here
trying to make teaching

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interest, trying to make it
interesting.

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I was perusingly after that's
papers.

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I don't know.
And you'll never you'll never

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guess how mum was spelt.
Oh my gosh, get him on the

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London Palladium.
This guy.

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We're going on tour, guys.
We're going on tour this

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content.
I reckon we could with this,

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Yeah, especially if we did it
all in American, like I said.

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But there we go anyway.
Come on, tell me about your

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week.
I had a good week.

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I had a peak primary school
afternoon.

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Interesting is my story.
We'll soon find out, won't we?

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Incredibly, people are still
leaving reviews somewhere,

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getting a nerve somehow.
I had a peak primary school

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afternoon.
And I hope our listeners know

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what I mean when I say peak
primary school because we talk a

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lot about how I feel the
curriculum is moving.

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Very much more knowledge based,
very much a lot of teacher talk,

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rabbiting facts and hoping
children remember facts and

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filling in worksheets and stuff
like that.

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But I still hold on to those
dear, dear moments with my class

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that I call peak primary school.
And it's what I remember from

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school generally.
Like we talked about, I used to

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make slippers.
Yeah.

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Like doing natural fun.
Oh, enjoying yourself.

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Oh, yeah, enjoying yourself.
Enjoying yourself and having

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fun.
Yes.

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Really important to me.
And we had one of those

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afternoons where we, we built,
well, this is a loose word built

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a, a geodesic Dome.
Oh yeah, a geodesic Dome.

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Anyone doesn't know is this Dome
like structure made-up of

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geometric shapes?
In our case, we use triangles.

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We've been learning about in DT,
we've been learning about

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trusses and strong shapes and
engineering and things like

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that.
And they'd made some small

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versions of a trust.
Yeah, well, when I first planned

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this, it was peak list trust.
And I was like, look how strong

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this trust is.
And I was like, oh, that's that

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wasn't work in a different
context.

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Very weak, actually.
Trustees are not strong.

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Really.
We did a whole lesson on

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politics instead.
Forgot to do the building.

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We didn't.
Feel that peak primary school.

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Let's talk about the economics
in this cost of living crisis.

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Anyway, we did loads and we
ended up building all the

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children built their own
triangles out of these wooden

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dowels.
Like the wooden dowels were like

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a good like 40 centimetres long,
so big triangles.

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And then we went outside and we
built this Dome by like making

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trusses out of the triangles and
elastic banding, tying them

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together.
And I took out some masking tape

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like as a, like an insurance
almost because you know, using

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elastic bands around the end,
the kids can find it tricky.

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Let's do a little bit of tape
every now and then, just hold it

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in place.
And I took out a about 30 year

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olds masking tape and I was like
I suppose plenty isn't it won't

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need all.
This don't say.

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You put the 30.
Listen, I just put the put the

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box out there and the kids like
one at a time, but sporadically

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were saying, oh, can I use some
tape?

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And obviously I was like, yeah,
sure, of course you can.

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Oh, can I use some tape?
Yeah, take that bit up.

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They'd be running backwards and
forwards by the end.

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Every single bit of tape was
out.

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No, pretty much.
That's a lot like, yeah, I

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reckon in the 30s in my class of
30, I reckon about 15 or 16

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masking tapes were out.
But also, I, I didn't really

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keep track of how the kids were
taping these dolls together.

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And these dolls, they, they were
actually going to be reused by

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the.
So anyone who's been allowed to

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go and see we made this Dome,
right?

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It was really good effort for
them because they did it

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completely by themselves.
Yeah.

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Didn't look anything like a
Dome, but it was like it, it was

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like it came up and around and
that's, I thought it was amazing

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in terms of like their actual
effort.

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And they loved it.
And they were so like full of

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perseverance, resilience,
teamwork.

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I was actually really proud of
them, and it was pretty much as

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good as it could have got.
Really making a Dome.

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Yeah, Yeah.
I'm surprised it even even

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stayed up.
Yeah, it was really, really

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good.
But then I made, I made the.

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This is my real rookie error,
right?

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Whenever you do anything like
this, stop early.

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Yeah.
And why?

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Hey.
Get the kids to take it down,

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right?
Yeah.

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Because obviously that's having
30 pairs of hands helping with

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that, even if they're a bit
slower than you it's.

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Still much?
Oh, it's much quicker, isn't it?

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No, no.
Oh, gosh, guys, it's 3:10.

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Let's go in.
Don't worry about that.

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I'll sort that out later.
Should we help?

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No.
Get in.

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Get in there.
Kids went home, Had staff

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meeting as well.
Yeah, So had staff meeting on

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top of this, and then I went
outside and I was like, Oh my

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gosh, every single piece of wood
is tied to each other.

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With an hour for.
An hour and a half I was trying

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to undo tape.
It still was about 20% dumb.

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And the the worst part is
genuinely, some might say this

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is the best part.
The worst part was that was my

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last day of the week.
I was handing over to my job

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share the day after and I was
like time for a grovelling voice

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note.
Hi.

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Yeah, when you coming in the
morning, can you get the kids to

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try to finish it?
Nowhere near.

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Oh man, nowhere near.
But then my job share messaged

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me the day after after school
saying if I said no, she said

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firstly sent me a message in the
morning with laughing emoji

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saying FFS Dylan.
Yeah, because I was like, sorry.

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And then she sent me a message
like at 5:00 that evening going

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almost there and took a picture.
Still loads left.

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No, it's going to take hours.
It's going to take hours.

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Did you not get the kids to?
Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, even with the kids?
Yeah, it's going to take hours.

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Going to take hours.
That's mental because they went

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rap, rap, rap, rap, rap, rap.
So the worst, worst thing, Best

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afternoon ever during.
Best thing about like I've done

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with the kids in so long.
They were so engaged.

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They were absolutely loving it.
Just think about it.

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Plan these things for 10 hours
afterwards.

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We've taken it down.
Maybe not.

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It's gonna make it as good.
It's gonna take that memory.

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Yeah, I love that.
What about you?

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Yeah, Well, I've not done much
this week.

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It's the last week before
Easter.

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I'm just knackered.
I feel like it's.

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This is the point of the year,
isn't it?

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Especially especially when
you're 6.

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I hate to say that.
Listen, I'm in year.

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Six and I've got to no, I've got
to use the printer because we're

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doing our 57th mock test of the
week.

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I don't care that your kids have
to do learning.

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I'm in year 6.
It's such hard work.

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Tell me, especially year 6, why
you're so tired.

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Well, you're so tired and you're
so excited.

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Don't what you so tired for?
Whilst you were playing with Mac

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and cheese or whatever you're
doing building, building

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geodesic discs, whatever it was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.

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We were doing some hardcore
revision ready for our sacks in

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in five school weeks.
So talking to peak primary

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school, thinking of peak primary
school, would you say that's

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your peak primary?
Yeah, definitely.

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I think, I think the best thing
to do sort of before kids leave

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school is just ruin school for
them.

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I think you've got you say to
yeah, these exams aren't

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important.
Well, important though.

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Yeah.
Aren't they kids?

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They're not important.
Well, important, they're not

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important.
It's when the kids put up the

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hand and say what is the point
of the SAT?

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And I have never had the heart
to remotely, remotely fake it

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and be like, I'd say, are they
not really?

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I always say they're not really
that important.

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I said they're more important
for us there.

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It's a way of measuring the
school.

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The government need to know,
don't they, if schools are doing

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their jobs properly.
So if you, if your scores all

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went down from from key stage 1
and obviously they'd be like,

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oh, so it's going wrong in that
school.

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I was like, but for you guys,
it's not that important.

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It's actually GCSE target.
So there's something to do there

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with that.
And, and ultimately it's just a

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chance for you to prove what you
can do.

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So just do it for yourself.
Really.

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Yeah.
And I'll leave it at that every

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time.
It's it's good, isn't it?

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That's that.
Schools almost get rewarded then

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for completely ruining their
broader balanced curriculum by

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going all in for this test and
just doing English and maths.

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And completely lying to the
children about how important it

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is.
Most schools, I'd say, probably

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probably do just pretend it's
really important.

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So what they say.
Yeah.

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Seriously.
Yeah, I don't.

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But is it?
But it look, look, look, it is

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important.
Yeah, it is.

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It is in terms of like, it is
the the showing off of the

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culmination of their learning in
English and maths for the whole

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of the key stage.
Yeah, that is important.

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That's not.
I'm not against saying that, but

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it's just so disproportionate.
Yeah, that's my issue.

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It's not as important, honestly,
as I'd say the average school

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makes it out to be.
That's what I bet.

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I bet everyone overhypes it a
bit because obviously we want

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the kids to do well because it's
really important for us as well.

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Yeah, yeah.
So we do over sure overemphasise

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it.
And I hate the idea of I was a

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really anxious kid and I was
really anxious in year 6.

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And I do think part of that was
probably because of like, just

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pressure of yeah.
But mostly I think it was

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probably because I was moving to
secondary school, and I found

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that transition hard.
But I do think the Sats came

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into play because it was made
like a, like always really

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important.
You got to do really well in

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this.
Do you think that there's any

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legs in the argument that it's
good for the children to have

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some kind of experience with a
test when they're in year 6?

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But but the point being people
say they're too young at that

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point, but the argument I've
always seen that I'm interested

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in don't necessarily agree a
bit, but it's interesting to me

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that people say, yeah, but you
know what, they can they can be

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have that experience in year 6.
Then when it comes to 789

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leading up to GCSEs, they've
already it's not their first

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time in that high pressure
situation.

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And then when it really does
matter more in your GCSEs,

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because that like influences
your job prospects, etcetera,

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then it's good to have had that
previous experience with yeah,

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big time.
I, I, I'm actually, maybe I've

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come across too harsh on the
Sats.

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I, I don't, I'm not anti sats.
Well, I thought I thought you

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said we should get rid of Sats.
Well, I think there's an

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argument for it.
I'm but I'm not like super pro

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anti sats and I don't tell the
kids this is this is stupid,

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this is pointless.
Yeah, I think there is.

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I think there's a little bit of
it.

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Sometimes I say to the kids as
well, that exact thing.

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I'm like, oh, this is good
practise.

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You know, when you go to
secondary school.

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I also think it gives kids
something to work towards.

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Not all kids like that.
I think we need to understand

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that and not all kids care about
working towards a test and for a

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lot of children it is a chance
for them to show off.

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But even if they've.
Been working hard.

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Is it good?
I, I don't know.

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It's a trick.
You don't you don't have to like

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everything that's good for you.
It's a hard 1.

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I don't know.
I really don't know because I

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because I because I always just
I go straight to the the this is

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a scale of kids that like it
don't like it always go right to

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the bottom and think, OK, how
how badly is it affecting a kid

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that really, really doesn't like
it?

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Like I can think of some
children who that you put them

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into the test knowing, knowing
they're going to get honestly

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zero.
Yeah.

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Like maybe not 0, but like a
couple of marks, like like

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ridiculously lower than average.
You're not learning anything.

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You're not learning anything
new.

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You knew that all year.
They've done all three mocks as

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well.
You know, whatever you do across

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the year, it's just I find it's
a little bit ridiculing for some

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of some children.
That's where I don't like it.

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And I know you can disapply
children and we've done that in

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the past our school, you know,
you can disapply children based

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on almost like compassionately
of like we know where they are.

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Like this is just, I'm not going
to waste 3 days of their time

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and they sit there feeling like
they can't do anything.

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Like it's, it's kind of
horrible.

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So I always think of that part.
I always think of the extremes.

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And I think of those children
who are like, they've worked so

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hard.
And for them, they're like, this

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is a way, this is something I've
been working towards this.

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It's given me a goal to work
towards.

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I can prove to myself, to my
family, to my teachers,

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whatever, like how, how much
I've learned.

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And for them, I'm like, Oh, it's
great for them because they

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really want to do that.
And like you said, it's got some

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other, other pros like they are
going to, you are going to see

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exams in life whether you like
it or not.

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You, you got to do it.
So it is good to practise.

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It's a, it's a very hard
conversation and you know, we've

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had many conversations about it
before.

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Maybe we should have a proper
conversation.

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About it another time, I don't
know it just to me, yeah, I, I,

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I see the benefits of doing a
test, right.

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But it, it, the problem lies
with the administration of it.

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And you know, the way that
schools see it, in my opinion,

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it becomes laser focused on the
children who are likely to be

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between bands of level.
So I don't know, you can tell me

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more being in year 6, I feel
like the hyper focus, those

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children who we know aren't
going to score very well and we

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know are going to be put through
this incorrectly.

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In my opinion, I agree with you.
They don't even get the target.

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Then they don't even get the
teachers full like push because

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we know we can't move them.
So the school are like, no, no,

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they're focused on this band of
15% who we want to move, who

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just happened to be in this like
floaty cuspy area.

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I think that's where it all just
falls apart to me.

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Yeah, it kind of.
It starts breaking apart the

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point of education.
Right.

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Yeah, exactly because because
because of the test rather than

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because of the individual.
Disproportionate amount of

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support goes towards the kids
who we think might might be

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close to passing rather than to
kids that need the support

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completely.
It's not about the kids that

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need support.
It's about the kids that we can

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get.
And it's not even.

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About the kids need support.
It's it's not about the kids,

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full stop.
It shouldn't really matter where

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you are on that spec data.
Yeah, it should.

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It should just be about
progressing you as an

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individual, no matter where
you're at.

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And not all schools are like
that.

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You know, I actually think
there's a lot of schools in this

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country just from talking to
teachers over the years where

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their school really is aligned
with.

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No, we don't even like the Sats.
Like we don't even take it that

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seriously.
We, you know, we have a holistic

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approach to how many years?
Though probably not many, but

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I've definitely spoken to
multiple teachers from different

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schools where they're like, Oh
yeah, our school really just

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like Sats are just like low down
on this.

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It's like we get the data, get
whatever, and we know we're here

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for the kids and their
experience.

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I'm like, yeah, that's probably
how they know that's how it

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should be.
But then that school will also

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get slandered.
And yeah, the slated for the

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Sats of schools not being good.
But then, but then the next

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cohort might be a cohort that
are just more academically

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gifted and get better anyway.
Yeah.

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And then you start drawing false
comparisons of, well, this year

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we did that, so it must be
better.

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Yeah, it's just down to the
kids, I guess on this, on this

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chat.
Then there's a big, big talk

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online at the minute about Sats
boosters about, you know,

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children doing extra work to
boost them as like interventions

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almost for the SATS.
And I guess we've spoken about

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how clearly we obviously we
disagree that they're maybe

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being taken out of different
lessons to boost this and we

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think that's wrong.
We're not going to rehash that

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conversation, but a big
discussion point at the minute

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online.
We've seen a lot of posts about

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this on forums and stuff.
Are teachers talking about being

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expected to run them?
So being expected to run these

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SAT boosters potentially even at
the weekend during half term

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which is coming up or even after
school.

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Like so not even, we're not
talking about taking out of our

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lessons now, we're saying
literally extra stuff.

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What have you seen?
Well, well, Dylan, I'm glad you

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mentioned this because I was
actually going to bring this up,

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but there was a Facebook post
that I commented on the other

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day.
It was just someone asking like,

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should should we be expected as
teachers?

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Should we be expected to do
boosters outside of directed

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time?
So in other words, all of those

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things you just said that are
after school, before school,

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whatever for no extra pay.
So it's like over time but no

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extra pay.
And it's just like a yeah, but

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you know, the kids need it.
So that kind of thing.

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Should we be expected to do
that?

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It's not in the directed time
allocation and I commented on it

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basically just being like, no,
like, obviously not like, but

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no, not even much of A
commentary.

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Like what?
You.

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Well, I think the person posting
kind of knew the answer right?

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Yeah, probably they just wanted
a bit of backup.

453
00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,359
But unfortunately, and this is
This is why I talk about this

454
00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,200
stuff, right?
About consistency in schools and

455
00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,319
how how like that lack of
collective action is like the

456
00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:15,680
death of teaching is why it's in
such a dire state, right?

457
00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,440
Because the range of comments,
and there were like 10s and 10s

458
00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,200
and 10s of comments on this went
from someone saying, no, it's

459
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,800
not expected, but I want to do
it because I want to support

460
00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,760
those less confident children or
whatever like that.

461
00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,040
Like a really sort of like a,
well, you should do it because

462
00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,240
it's the right thing to do for
the kids.

463
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,960
All the way to what you're
talking about.

464
00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,920
No, this is the problem.
In what other job would people

465
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,600
work for free all the way on
that range?

466
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,880
And that to me is the spectrum.
Yeah.

467
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,400
Martyrs.
Yeah, of course I do, because

468
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,160
the kids need it all the way to.
Absolutely not.

469
00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,080
It's not my contract.
And I'm like, cool, there you

470
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:48,720
go.
There's a problem.

471
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,640
Because in some schools there'll
be more people like that.

472
00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,560
Some schools will be more people
like this.

473
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,680
No consistency has crossed the
schools whatsoever.

474
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,040
It's just a mess.
I think it's a mess anyway.

475
00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,320
What do you think?
I think it's really tricky.

476
00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,400
I completely agree.
I think it's a complete mess.

477
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,160
I think the expectations are all
over the place.

478
00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,240
I saw a comment on, I don't know
if it was this thread or

479
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,880
something similar because it's
out there a lot at the minute

480
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,120
from an ECT, which was almost in
the middle and basically said,

481
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,560
oh, our school expects this.
Should I not be?

482
00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:13,960
Is this wrong?
Yeah.

483
00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,240
Should I've not, I've not really
put much thought into this,

484
00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,240
right.
There are other people in the

485
00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,440
middle who kind of don't even
think about these things.

486
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,440
And I think that's a big reason
why I want to talk about them.

487
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,040
Big reason why we did a podcast,
a big reason why we push all of

488
00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,320
these things about the contract.
Yeah.

489
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,280
Because I think knowledge is
power.

490
00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,560
And I think those people who
don't necessarily know that this

491
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,640
is not expected don't
necessarily think that therefore

492
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,040
it's wrong to do it.
And they just think, well,

493
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,640
that's what my school says.
I'm a year 6 teacher.

494
00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,320
That's what we do.
Yeah.

495
00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,440
I.
Definitely did that as a new

496
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,720
teacher.
Loads of things there would have

497
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,280
been where I was like, I don't
know, I just presume.

498
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,840
I just trust the people that are
in charge.

499
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,920
They know more than me, so they
tell me to do something

500
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:46,800
trusting.
Power.

501
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,240
Yeah, I know.
But I would have been.

502
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,320
I would have been naive as a.
Yeah, I don't know.

503
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:51,960
I want to go back to that
comment you mentioned about the

504
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,120
person who said they want to
support the other children.

505
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:55,200
Yeah, I was going to read it
again.

506
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,440
OK, not expected to know, but I
want to do it to support the

507
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,280
less confident children.
Now.

508
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,800
Slight devil's advocate here,
but there is an inkling in me

509
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,400
that does think this.
What world are we living in

510
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,240
where saying that makes you a
bad person?

511
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,880
We're living in a world where
that gets used to gaslight

512
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,800
another 300,000 teachers into
doing the same thing.

513
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,480
That's what we're living in.
I like, it's like it's like a.

514
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,320
Or the looks.
Like a lesser evil argument, you

515
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,680
know, those kind of things where
it's like or, or whatever the

516
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,440
opposite of that would be where
it's like, yes, OK, they're

517
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,840
doing this thing that's good.
Maybe like a one step forward,

518
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,040
but it's 25 steps back because
there's, there's all these

519
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,680
negatives that come from it.
So maybe we just shouldn't do

520
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,800
that thing.
Like, it sounds awful, doesn't

521
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,560
it?
Me saying no we shouldn't, we

522
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,240
shouldn't be supporting the
children for free in our own

523
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,520
time.
Well, that's what it turns into,

524
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,640
and that's what it's used.
Against us often, but just put

525
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,480
in any other context ever just
think about any other job right.

526
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,160
You know, we always go back to
because we we both worked in be

527
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,320
Tesco and as a retail, right.
But if you had a bunch of people

528
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,680
saying no, no, I'll come do the
Sunday shift for free.

529
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,960
Don't worry about it.
I'll do it for free.

530
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,520
People got to get their
shopping, don't they?

531
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,120
I'll do it for free.
Don't worry about it.

532
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,960
Can you imagine like the what
that would cause like the

533
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,840
trouble that would cause?
Firstly, it wouldn't even be

534
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:05,920
legal.
It wouldn't even be allowed to

535
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:06,880
do you know, you can't work for
free.

536
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,880
Sorry, we have to pay you.
We have to pay for your time

537
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,600
actually, otherwise it's
otherwise it's like free.

538
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,080
You're becoming a slave for our
company and that's really bad.

539
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,760
It's like, but oh, in teaching.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

540
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,840
We do it because we love the
kids.

541
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,520
It's like, yeah, I do love the
kids, but.

542
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,600
Like I can't work for free.
I don't know.

543
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,120
There's just, it doesn't make
sense to me.

544
00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:24,640
What other job do we do that in?
Yeah, I'd work for free.

545
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,560
What I always say to these
people in a nice way is like,

546
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,840
because, because I don't, I
don't like degrading people.

547
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,160
Who's saying I want to help
kids?

548
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,800
That's fortunate.
That is obviously not something

549
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,960
I want to go after someone for.
But in back to the Tesco

550
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,560
analogy, the big bosses at Tesco
would be laughing their asses

551
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,720
off.
They'd be literally going, OK,

552
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,160
they wouldn't say anything, but
yeah, sure.

553
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,240
Come on, come on then.
Brilliant.

554
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,600
They're the ones laughing.
It's the same kind of thing here

555
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,600
in terms of the government and
the structures and the systems

556
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,400
in place.
Yeah, of course, Of course

557
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,760
That's brilliant for the.
No one's ever going to change

558
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:56,200
that.
Yeah.

559
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,440
The government are never going
to come off their backsides and

560
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,880
be like, oh, gosh, let's fight
for this change from the ground

561
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,760
up because they're getting away
of it as it is.

562
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:03,440
Yeah.
Why?

563
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,880
What?
Who who is benefiting from that

564
00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:09,520
other than the bigwigs saying,
oh, don't, don't we think about

565
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,960
the children?
Yeah, Do you know what?

566
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,080
If we did care about the
children, maybe you could fix

567
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,640
some from the top down then.
Because if you really are going

568
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,320
to weaponize that against me for
saying I'm not going to do that

569
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,880
extra thing and point to the
other teacher who says they are

570
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,160
and say, wow, isn't this teacher
fantastic doing the things for

571
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,360
the kids.
You've got a point in yourself,

572
00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,280
mate.
In the people above, I've heard

573
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,360
stories from Academy trust
before because, and I'll go back

574
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,120
to Academy trust because they
have a lot more autonomy over

575
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,760
what they do with their money.
And that's used for benefits

576
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,240
sometimes, but very rarely.
And it's often used to squeeze

577
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,840
budgets to lower pay to, to
squeeze people out to have less

578
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,680
support.
I've, I've seen emails that

579
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,440
teachers have sent me from
Academy trust bosses and HR

580
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,200
departments who've sent it to us
on the podcast.

581
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,920
Is this normal?
And the HR department has said,

582
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,600
hey guys, moving forward, we're
not going to be able to get any

583
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,360
cover in anymore whatsoever.
So we cannot pay for any cover

584
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,800
whatsoever.
So if a teacher is off sick,

585
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,760
what will happen is we'll have
to combine you with your paired

586
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,200
class.
So when a teacher's off 1

587
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,200
teacher will now have 60
children in their class because

588
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,120
guys, simply we cannot afford
it.

589
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,000
And they signed off in the same
e-mail saying, and let's all

590
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,440
push together on this because we
all care about the kids.

591
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,240
Basically saying you're going to
be okay of having sixty kids in

592
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,560
your class because we're all
doing it for the children.

593
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,200
Yeah, really glossing over the
fact that you as HR in

594
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,920
representing the person who's in
charge of this Academy trust is

595
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,600
on hundreds of thousands of
pounds a year, who's created

596
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,240
multiple peers of roles in that
Academy trust above all of the

597
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,680
schools to push pens and papers
and be the CEO of rulers and

598
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,720
taking all the money out from
the top.

599
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,960
Have then said, but it's for the
kids, right?

600
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480
So 11 teacher is 60.
You're going to do that, aren't

601
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,320
you?
It's completely flipped

602
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,880
backwards and it's these people,
bloody lovely teachers who want

603
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,400
to do the best for the kids and
help them out as much as

604
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:02,960
possible, who unfortunately are
peddling that narrative that it

605
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,280
is US who've got to pick up the
Flack and it is US who are the

606
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,160
problem if we choose not to
because we then don't care about

607
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,800
the kids.
No, I'm sorry guys.

608
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,320
There's this comes a point where
we have to say no, no, I'm a

609
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,120
professional, this is a job.
Do not expect stuff for free.

610
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,920
Yeah.
And it's hard, I think when I

611
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,400
find it a little bit harder when
someone is using it to be smarmy

612
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,800
as well.
Doesn't always happen.

613
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,000
Sometimes people are just being
genuine.

614
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,360
They're like, no, I just want to
help kids.

615
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,760
Like I don't care if you guys do
or don't want to do it, but I

616
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,200
just want to do it regardless of
pay.

617
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,800
I just want to help the kids for
these few weeks before that SAS

618
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,480
go over it, whatever.
And I'm like, OK, It's the

619
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,040
people that say, yeah, what do
you mean you're not doing that?

620
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,200
Do you literally not care about
the kids?

621
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,160
I do.
I'll be doing them for weeks.

622
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,040
In fact, I'm doing it on the
weekend, this weekend because I

623
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,240
because I actually clearly care
about the kids more than you.

624
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,720
It's those people where I'm just
like, you need to get in the bin

625
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,040
because you are like, yes, it's
like doubling down.

626
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,480
You know what I mean?
You're making other people feel

627
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,360
bad about it and you're setting
a bad example really based on

628
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,840
everything we just said here of
like, we are just as a

629
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,240
profession, we are walked over
like it's, it is literally a

630
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,160
joke.
We are walked all over more than

631
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,680
any profession that I know of.
Maybe, you know, maybe other

632
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,920
public sectors are the same,
but.

633
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,360
Well, I think most other public
sectors get paid for overtime.

634
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,920
It's such an insane thing where
we're asked can we get paid for

635
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,800
overtime?
And I've had a conversation with

636
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,400
someone this week who basically
was like, that's not realistic.

637
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:17,880
What?
What?

638
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,080
Yeah, what?
Paying me for the job that I'm

639
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,280
doing.
We need, we need to talk about

640
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,400
capitalism.
If this isn't realistic, what

641
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,240
are you talking?
If it's not realistic, don't

642
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,480
tell me to do it.
That's that there's there's no,

643
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,920
there's no other movement here.
If it's not realistic and

644
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,280
there's no money for it, guess
what?

645
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,000
You're not getting the labour.
That's how jobs work, you insane

646
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,120
person.
I'm not going to do it.

647
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,000
And you're right.
It's because when people say I

648
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,400
do these groups because I care
about the kids, again, like I

649
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,800
said earlier, you don't want to
stop someone from carrying about

650
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,360
the kids.
But as soon as you say I do the

651
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,640
groups because I care about the
kids, you are saying that if you

652
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,320
don't do it, it's because.
You don't.

653
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,360
And that is completely wrong.
And I've always said this, if

654
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,360
you're going to be the person to
go but beyond, do extra.

655
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,640
I was that person once.
By all means do it.

656
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,200
You have to be first in line to
defend the rights of other

657
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,440
people to not do it.
I agree.

658
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,360
I'm going to finish this little
segment by reading out another

659
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:11,440
comment.
Just to make it really clear.

660
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,360
That was one point you read out.
Here's another comment on the

661
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,320
other side of the spectrum, and
we'll let you guys, you know,

662
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,560
think about where you sit in the
scale.

663
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,880
Someone else said no.
And the people who do it are

664
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,120
part of the problem.
And what other professional job

665
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,200
would people basically agree to
work for free, which is

666
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,720
essentially what we were saying.
So there we are.

667
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,640
There were people other than us
sitting out in our podcast

668
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,440
having a chat who have very
different thoughts.

669
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,120
Some agree, maybe more of what
we sort of say, some on the

670
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,240
other side of the spectrum.
Where are you on that spectrum?

671
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,400
Let us know what you think about
that.

672
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,360
One, so you personally SAT's
boosters outside of directed

673
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,040
time?
No, SAT's boosters inside of

674
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,720
directed time and it replaces
something else.

675
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,800
Still not a fan, but it's better
than the other first, but it's

676
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,680
in directed time.
It's in directed time.

677
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,000
You can be there, you can get on
with it.

678
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
I don't agree a bit more like I
think I've been directed to do

679
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,200
interventions that I don't
necessarily.

680
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,000
Think, yeah, exactly.
I've done them for my whole

681
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,760
career, in all honesty.
So that's a different

682
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,080
conversation.
Because we're an employee.

683
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But outside of those times,

684
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,840
like, no, that's just like a
step too far.

685
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,680
Absolutely anyways.
Right, we got Charlie really

686
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,360
looking forward to chatting with
CC.

687
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,760
Came on previously episode in
the 18. 8980.

688
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,480
Nine.
There you go, beating Burnout

689
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,600
and we didn't quite get the
chance to cover food.

690
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Now, again, Hayden and I, we
talk about it a lot with Charlie

691
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,760
about food.
It's this weird relationship

692
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,560
that I think a lot of people
have, especially teachers,

693
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520
especially in the staff room.
You're walking in, you're trying

694
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,560
to start my diet on Monday.
You walk in, there's a lemon

695
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,080
drizzle cake on the middle.
Of the yeah yeah just can't pre

696
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,160
exist.
Really looking forward to this

697
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,520
chat, so let's dive straight in,
shall we?

698
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,840
Let's do it.
So here we're.

699
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,240
Back with Charlie now.
Charlie returning guests.

700
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,160
It's quite an accolade.
You know, we obviously really

701
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,160
loved talking to you last time.
So just very briefly, how you

702
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,280
getting on?
I know because we posted about

703
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,040
it.
Your book has been released,

704
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,360
Habits for Teacher Life.
How's that gone down?

705
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:52,480
How's that reception been?
What's it been like?

706
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,200
It's been absolutely mental and
honestly it's just so surreal to

707
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,080
have something physical, you
know, We said before we just

708
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,760
have an actual thing.
It's just bonkers.

709
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,480
The whole process was, it was
quite streamlined.

710
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,480
There wasn't really many bumps
along the way.

711
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,360
It was all, all went to plan
quite nicely.

712
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,080
So I was sort of like towards
the end thinking I don't know

713
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,120
what's going to go wrong.
Like is, is there something

714
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,240
going to come with like a
massive chapter missing or

715
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,960
something.
But yeah, to get to get the

716
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,640
physical 1 and I didn't even
know it was coming.

717
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,360
And the whole, I didn't know
much about publishing, but the

718
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,080
whole process was towards the
end was very much just quick.

719
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Very sort of it all happened
very suddenly.

720
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,600
So I, I didn't realise that
because it's done through

721
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Amazon, essentially when the
copies hit the warehouse, they

722
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,760
just shipped them.
So there was a published a

723
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,840
release date of the 8th and then
people were expecting their

724
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,280
copies on the 17th of March, but
then suddenly it hit the

725
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,480
warehouse early and it came out
like the 28th of February.

726
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,160
I had no idea.
It just sort of like shipped.

727
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,960
So it was really bizarre.
And my copy came about a week

728
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,400
before that and just.
Yeah, I think I just got back

729
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,800
from a run and not on the
doorstep was this thing.

730
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,560
It was.
Yeah.

731
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000
It felt like paperwork inside.
Yeah.

732
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,480
As a, as a fan, obviously I
pre-ordered, you know, long

733
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,160
before it came out, you know,
waiting every day and the day of

734
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680
the day it turned up, you know,
I rushed home in all theories.

735
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,560
I did turn up and it was just
there and I wasn't expecting it

736
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,680
that day.
And I was like, Oh, here we go.

737
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,160
I'll tell you what one thing I
really like about it is it's,

738
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,960
it's really, really easy to read
like it.

739
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Like there was part of me that
was thinking, Oh, I hope this

740
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,120
isn't like some 400 page mammoth
book where I'm realistically I'm

741
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:26,360
going to read a chapter and then
with the attention span of a

742
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,480
gnat, which I have of zone off.
Last time you were here talking

743
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,680
to us, Charlie, we, you know, we
spoke for a long time and we,

744
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,880
and looking at your chapters, we
spoke about a lot of these

745
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,320
things.
Like.

746
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,200
Healthy habits, creating space
for your health and like your

747
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,240
mental health and stuff like
that.

748
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,360
There was one topic that we kind
of got to the end, the

749
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,320
conversation, all three of us
were like, oh, we've run out of

750
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,000
time, but we really want to talk
about it.

751
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,400
And your book is chapter 4,
which is how can I eat well

752
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,240
easily?
So we kind of just want to focus

753
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,880
this conversation on on that bit
of the conversation we missed

754
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920
last time today about eating
well.

755
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,560
So, you know, you're the expert
here.

756
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,760
We're going to pass it back over
to you because you finished that

757
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,000
episode saying, oh, I really
want to talk about this thing.

758
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,400
And we were like, OK, come back
on again and we'll talk about

759
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,120
it.
So over to you like talk, you

760
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,880
know, give us a maybe your
summary 1st and then hone in on

761
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,560
something you're really
passionate about with eating

762
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,160
well and how you can help
teachers master this skill.

763
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,720
Yeah, yeah, Cool, cool.
I mean, it's really, really good

764
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,040
topic and actually very topical
for the book because I wrote out

765
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,040
there's there's missing chapters
that there's one that is how to

766
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760
be happy that wasn't in the
book.

767
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,240
And I've done that as a separate
thing.

768
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,640
And I'm actually sending that
out to people when they grab a

769
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,240
copy of the book and they send
me a picture, I'm sending that

770
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,200
almost like secret chapter out
to them.

771
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280
But there was there was a few
actually, and a lot of the

772
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,560
sections had extra bits that
weren't had just had to be cut

773
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,360
because of word count.
And one of them was around

774
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,800
relationship with food,
emotional at eating, stress

775
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,120
eating, all of that stuff.
So this is really topical

776
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,240
because it's something that had
to be taken out and I've already

777
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,760
got plans.
I don't know how it's going to

778
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040
happen, but I've already got
plans for a second bit, slightly

779
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,160
chunkier book, same setup, same
sort of everything we spoke

780
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,400
about with accessibility, but
you know, going into more of the

781
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440
mental side of things, mental
health, stress, relationship

782
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,240
with food, that stuff.
So yeah, this is really, really

783
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,240
topical.
And when I, when I was going

784
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,280
through that, obviously in the
book, it talks very much about

785
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,240
the practical side and some
really simple systems and

786
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,320
frameworks for for eating.
And it does touch on a little

787
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,280
bit.
Doesn't it have that pause

788
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,080
principle?
I managed to keep that in.

789
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,640
I was like, I want one thing
just like something because I

790
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,720
know how many teachers struggle
with emotionally eating.

791
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,360
So just for our listeners then,
do you want to just explain what

792
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400
you mean by the pause principle?
Because I think it'd be very

793
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,960
useful for for people who maybe
haven't got the book yet, just

794
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
to kind of get that inkling of
what they'll get from purchasing

795
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,800
it.
Because I think I would say to

796
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,200
anyone listening now, if you are
a teacher trying to improve your

797
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,000
health, this is like this is a
must have.

798
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,960
So what?
What do we mean when we say the?

799
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,720
Force principal.
Yeah, yeah, no, really good

800
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,640
question.
I think essentially as as a

801
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,120
teacher, life moves 1,000,000
miles an hour, right?

802
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,720
The moment you wake up, like I
think you said in the last

803
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,160
episode, the moment you go to
bed, you are constantly

804
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,640
stimulated, you have constant
inputs, you're constantly

805
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,600
driving right towards something
and moving on to the next thing.

806
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,840
And obviously that has a knock
on impact on to our stress and

807
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,160
how we feel.
So when we experience things

808
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,600
like let's just take, let's
stick with stress for a second,

809
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,680
we often feel like we are a
little bit out of control.

810
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,960
We often feel like we are very
uncomfortable because stress can

811
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,320
make us feel that way.
It's not always inherently a bad

812
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,280
thing, but you know, too much
stress make doesn't make us feel

813
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,880
great.
So we can seek control, we can

814
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,920
seek comfort.
And the other thing that for us

815
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,880
to see just is that the daily
life in the classroom is so

816
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520
uncertain.
You can meticulously plan

817
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,400
everything out perfectly and
just a child is sick on the

818
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,720
carpet at 8:45 and your whole
day can completely unravel,

819
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,200
right?
So there's a real lack of

820
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,160
certainty sometimes.
So when it comes to why we might

821
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,480
lean towards certain foods,
there is this want for comfort,

822
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,680
control and certainty for so
many of us.

823
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,480
So the idea of the pause
principle is to basically

824
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,360
createspace between those
emotions, the environment cues

825
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,360
and inputs as well, like the
staff room being full of

826
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,040
chocolate and cakes and crisps
and our reaction.

827
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Because when we are really
stressed, tired, overwhelmed,

828
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,680
all the other amazing things we
can experience that gap between

829
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,360
how between the stimulus and,
and and the the input and

830
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,680
actually our reaction to it is
tiny.

831
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400
It's absolutely minuscule.
It can feel automatic.

832
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,600
It can feel like there's no gap
at all.

833
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,920
Like a reflect almost.
Yeah, it's just there.

834
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,480
Before we know it, we, we've
eaten that thing, you know, or,

835
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,840
or we've said that thing, or
we've raised our voice or we've,

836
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,040
we've done whatever.
So the idea of the pause

837
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
principle is we just create a
space and in that space.

838
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,440
So I use three SS to explain
this.

839
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,800
I didn't go into it in the book,
but with clients, we'll go

840
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
through the three SS.
So it's basically stop trying to

841
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,640
find a way that we can notice
those cues, notice the signals

842
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,680
that, OK, we need to activate
the pause principle.

843
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,720
We stop, we createspace, be it
physically, mentally, or both.

844
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,520
And then we regulate our state.
So it's stop space state and to

845
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,600
regulate your state, which is
pretty much creating again,

846
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,560
more, more space in between.
We might take a deep breath, we

847
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,400
might have a glass of water, we
might change our environment

848
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,720
again, if it's a bigger thing,
you have more time.

849
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,680
It might be listening to some
music or it might be having a

850
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,640
conversation with someone, you
know, And there's lots and lots

851
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,480
of different ways.
But yeah, the, the principle,

852
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,120
the pause principle is to create
space so that you can choose an

853
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,760
action because although it feels
like a reflex, although it feels

854
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,640
automatic, there is an element
of choice which is really

855
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,120
horrible to hear.
I remember the first time I

856
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,720
heard that, and it was like,
Nah, no, I'm not choosing this.

857
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440
It's just happening.
You know, there is that horrible

858
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,520
ownership we have to take
creating that space.

859
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,200
Yeah.
What?

860
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,880
Sorry.
What?

861
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,480
What?
What?

862
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,240
Like, you talk about this
choice, right?

863
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,560
What do you say to people like
me who say, yeah, but I don't.

864
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,640
I just don't have the willpower.
I don't have the willpower to do

865
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,960
that.
I get the principle, yeah, but

866
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,040
even in that moment I'm still
making the wrong choice because

867
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,360
I don't have the willpower.
You.

868
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,120
To make the other choice, you
know, picking up that chocolate

869
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,400
bar.
Yeah, as a, you know, it's a bad

870
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,360
choice.
But you are you saying to

871
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,560
Charlie now that you feel like
you don't have do you know, you

872
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,320
have control or not?
Is that what you're saying?

873
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,520
OK, so for Full disclosure for
our listeners, you know, you're

874
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,760
talking about your clients A
minute ago.

875
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,280
I after our last episode, I
became one of Charlie's clients

876
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,719
and I have been working with him
for months.

877
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,520
And so I so I know a little bit
more about this.

878
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,120
And I think what I'm saying here
is it really, you really

879
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,040
intrigued me when you talked
about willpower one time when we

880
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,400
were chatting on one of our
coaching calls.

881
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,560
So I kind of want you to to like
give a bit of this wisdom to our

882
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,000
listeners right now about like
what willpower is and how how

883
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,760
it's not just black and white
like you ever have it or you

884
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,199
don't.
Broadly speaking, I, I, and

885
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,159
there's many different ways of
many schools of thought on this,

886
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,320
many different ways of looking
at this.

887
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,960
I like to think of willpower
like a muscle, right?

888
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,320
If we think about it, just just
use that analogy, think of it

889
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,960
like your bicep.
As teachers, you are using

890
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040
willpower, whether we think of
it as like your cognitive

891
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,600
resources or your patience or we
think of it as like discipline

892
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,200
for, for another word, whatever.
We're using that again from the

893
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,960
moment we wake up.
If we've got kids of our own,

894
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,800
you know, we're trying not to
raise our voices.

895
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,080
We're trying to keep the house
calm.

896
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,520
We're trying to get them to
school on time.

897
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,800
And then we get into school and
the photocopier is broken again.

898
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,560
And we're trying not to punch it
and screaming it and a colleague

899
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560
punch around the corner and
trying, trying, failing some

900
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960
days.
But yeah, little kick here and

901
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560
there.
But yeah, you know, we're using

902
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,480
this wheel power.
So imagine for a second that I

903
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,040
gave you this is this, this is a
positive example.

904
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,400
Imagine I gave you a giant box
of glue sticks, right?

905
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,040
Full glue sticks and not getting
one too excited, but you're

906
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,600
holding this box of glue sticks,
right?

907
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,080
You feel it after a minute.
You feel it in your biceps.

908
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,160
After an hour, your arms are
absolutely numb and, and, and

909
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,680
falling off.
And by the end of the day, you,

910
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,240
the, the glues are on the floor,
right?

911
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,600
Everyone's, all the teachers are
scrambling around like, but for

912
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,040
glue sticks, yeah, yeah, same
sort of thing with your

913
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,440
willpower.
So you're, you're engaging that

914
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,200
willpower muscle.
The great thing though is that

915
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,120
although yes, by the end of the
day, you get home and you're

916
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400
absolutely exhausted.
We can talk about other factors

917
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,520
like hunger and stress and
things as well, but we're

918
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,160
absolutely exhausted.
Your willpower, you've

919
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,000
diminished that willpower.
So yes, by the end of a working

920
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120
day, if you're not used to
practising it and training that

921
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200
willpower, which we'll talk
about in a second, in like a

922
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,680
progressive way, yes, you're
exhausted by the end of the day.

923
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:26,280
However, just like a real
muscle, if you go away and you

924
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,880
rest and you focus on your
successes and you and you kind

925
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,120
of work on it.
I'm trying to keep this analogy

926
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,400
going.
It's, it's failing a little bit

927
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,280
now, given the nutrition, right?
Given the nutrition, you'll

928
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,920
rebuild that muscle, you'll come
back stronger.

929
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,440
Same thing for willpower.
But when it comes to our

930
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,680
willpower, and this is a big
part of, of our coaching, isn't

931
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,720
it, that it's often drawing your
attention to your successes and

932
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:51,040
it is looking at, OK, OK, what
went well And, and really it's

933
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,600
building up trust and confidence
in yourself to be able to make

934
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,400
those difficult choices when you
need to.

935
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,320
So, yeah, that's just a little
bit more about willpower.

936
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,720
It, it can be trained, it, it
can, we can think of it like a

937
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,240
muscle and sometimes that can
help.

938
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920
And, but if you are used to fit
again going into the gym, if

939
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,560
you're used to not picking up
anything heavy, and I take a 20

940
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,360
LB dumbbell and put one in each
arm, of course you're going to

941
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,480
drop them and you're going to
feel rubbish.

942
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,080
You're going to feel like you've
failed, you're going to feel

943
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,000
weak and that's often what we
do.

944
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,840
So when we talk about repairing
relationship with food as well,

945
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
we often throw ourselves in the
deep end and we, we basically do

946
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,360
the equivalent of giving
ourselves a 20 LB dumbbell or

947
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,760
20K dumbbell.
We feel like we've failed, we

948
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,040
feel weak.
We feel what's the point?

949
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,160
I've got no willpower.
I'm going to give up, Yeah.

950
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,080
And we reinforce that spiral of
of of negative.

951
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,280
So what would you say the?
Typical equivalences when it

952
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,000
comes to eating and dieting
fads.

953
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,400
What would you say the typical
convinces are to picking up the

954
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,880
20 LB dumbbell?
What are the kind of things

955
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,920
people do where you typically
see them?

956
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,880
You've worked with a lot of
people where it's like, yeah, it

957
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,120
might work for a bit, but it
you're probably, it's probably

958
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,360
not going to work for very long
because it's it's too heavy.

959
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,480
The dumbbell's too heavy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

960
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Oh, there's so many.
There's so many examples.

961
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,320
I've done, I've done it
personally just to, whilst maybe

962
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640
we think of some examples, I've
literally done this before where

963
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,800
Full disclosure, I think I have
a terrible relationship with

964
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,440
food in general.
I think a lot of people can

965
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,760
admit that, but then struggle to
do the next thing.

966
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,400
So I've gone through these
phases before of I've spoken

967
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,400
about it on the podcast where,
you know, I gave up sugar.

968
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,320
Yeah, as in cold Turkey.
Like I was like, well, you know,

969
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,600
I've convinced myself I have
this control, but maybe I don't.

970
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,680
Maybe I'm addicted to sugar and
there's no science behind that.

971
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
There's nothing behind it other
than I'm justifying why I behave

972
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
this way.
And then I've moved myself to

973
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,960
thinking So what I need to do?
I need to go cold Turkey.

974
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Gave up sugar, which in many
ways improved my health because

975
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,320
I wasn't eating so much bad
stuff.

976
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,600
But it in many ways wasn't a
good choice because then I was

977
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,120
obsessing over the food I was
eating.

978
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,840
And then as soon as it stopped I
fell off the Cliff because I was

979
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080
doing all unsustainable.
It was completely unsustainable

980
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,680
because I couldn't then have a
bit.

981
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,040
As soon as I had a bit, well,
I've broken this, what's the

982
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,400
point?
And then I fell off that train

983
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,480
again.
So there's one example, you

984
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,440
know, that that no sugar.
OK, well, that's good for some

985
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,480
reasons, but it's obviously not
good long term.

986
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,280
Yeah.
What do you think?

987
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,160
About that.
Yeah, I think, oh, I'm going to

988
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,040
park that for one second because
it's such a good topic.

989
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,040
And actually there's, I might
say some things that you don't

990
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,560
expect me to say about that
because there's there's utility

991
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,200
there, there, there can be, we
can use that really well.

992
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,040
And but yeah, examples of of
picking up that 20K dumbbell, I

993
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,200
think saying to myself, I'm
never going to work in the

994
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,320
evening, never ever again.
And that's like I said last

995
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,040
time, I never want to tell
people what they experience.

996
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,920
I never want to tell people
what's going to work for them.

997
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,840
I'm just offering suggestions.
And you can use it like a menu.

998
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,800
You pick and take what what
resonates with you.

999
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Some people do say, right, I'm
never, ever going to work

1000
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,160
outside the school building and
they never, ever do.

1001
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,600
And that is awesome.
I got to that point, but it

1002
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,960
took, it was a journey to get
there.

1003
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Going cold Turkey.
I tried it and never ever worked

1004
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,280
outside school.
Just made me super stressed out.

1005
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,680
And I had to gradually almost
grad graded exposure, which is a

1006
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,240
cognitive behavioural therapy
technique, gradually building it

1007
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,680
up.
So saying I'm never going to

1008
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,760
work in the evenings or I'm
never going to pick up my phone

1009
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,480
past eight, I'm never going to.
Yeah, some in some context.

1010
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,760
I'm never going to eat chocolate
again.

1011
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,840
I'm going to exercise seven days
a week is a big one.

1012
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,160
All these sorts of extreme
approaches and they all in with

1013
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,840
the right supervision and the
right sort of coaching and

1014
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,640
support, some of them can work
for some people sure.

1015
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,480
But we're talking generally
people giving us a go on their

1016
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,640
own and the reason why that that
is quite damaging for us.

1017
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,720
So with our health, lots of us
are quite we have quite low

1018
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,560
confidence, we have quite low
self levels of self trust.

1019
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,440
And so when we go into it with
these very extreme approaches,

1020
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,520
when we feel like the bar is a
10 out of 10, we feel like we've

1021
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,960
failed if we don't reach that 10
out of 10.

1022
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,280
I did a session with with my
clients on this earlier this

1023
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,600
week.
We talked about the power.

1024
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,760
I don't know if we talked about
this in our last podcast, but we

1025
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,720
talked about the power of
behaviour ranges.

1026
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,120
So rather than saying I need to
train for an hour in the gym six

1027
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,360
days a week, that is that is the
goal you're giving yourself like

1028
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,720
the centre, the bull's eye.
And anything other than that

1029
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,520
feels like you've missed the
target.

1030
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,000
Whereas what we try and say is,
OK, cool, first of all, where

1031
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,680
are we?
What's the next small step,

1032
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,440
minimal effective dose?
Let's gradually build this up,

1033
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,640
but let's also give you a range.
So maybe it's OK, I'm going to

1034
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,880
work out at home for 15 minutes
and I'm going to do that three

1035
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,680
to five times.
So we we create these behaviour

1036
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,480
ranges and again taking it back
to food, we we can do that as

1037
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,560
well.
People tend to people like me

1038
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,200
anyway, and people I see, they
tend to say I've got a problem,

1039
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,280
so I'm going to 100 out of 100.
That's the only way I can fix it

1040
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,640
because that's my parameter.
Then it's easy for me to say if

1041
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,920
I'm doing it well or I'm doing
it badly because I'm simply

1042
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,200
saying I'm gonna give up sugar.
Whereas.

1043
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,600
I I feel like.
Over time, I've learned that

1044
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,120
perhaps that's not sustainable
for me personally.

1045
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,560
It could work for some people,
like you said.

1046
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,480
And this idea of success being a
scale almost in terms of it's

1047
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,640
still better if I have some
sugar free days and some on

1048
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,480
because that's still better than
where I was.

1049
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,600
And this idea of these small
steps being a force for good

1050
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,920
because I, like I said, gave up
cold Turkey sugar and it, it did

1051
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,560
work well for me for like 3-4,
five months, genuinely.

1052
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,360
Like I was a, I lost some
weight, I was more healthy, I

1053
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,160
was eating the right things
through that choice because I

1054
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,920
was choosing fruit and
vegetables more because they

1055
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,600
don't have any processed sugar
in them.

1056
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,920
But it didn't work long term for
me because I fell off that

1057
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,960
waggon then And it, it was
either 100 or there's no point

1058
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,120
doing it.
So it's just more of your

1059
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,920
thoughts on that process and and
me feeling like I need to.

1060
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,760
Be the best.
I possibly can be with my food

1061
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,400
else there's no point.
I'm just fine.

1062
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,720
I'll just eat 5 cream eggs in a
row.

1063
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Yeah.
Maybe you can talk about like

1064
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,640
just put it in your book and I
know we spoke about it and maybe

1065
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,840
we can talk more about our
actual coaching experience.

1066
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,680
I think it might be good for our
listeners to have a real life

1067
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,520
experience.
Like I have used Jolly for

1068
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960
months and you talk a lot about
it and you put it in your book

1069
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,800
Optimal, like the scale of
optimal to not optimals.

1070
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Maybe you can talk about that in
regard of what Dylan's talking

1071
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,680
about.
I was a guest on a podcast this.

1072
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680
No, it wasn't.
That's a complete, that's a lie.

1073
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,160
I'm a guest now.
I was interviewing someone else

1074
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,320
this morning, Doctor Bernadette
Dancy, about stress and things

1075
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,760
like that.
And we were talking about how as

1076
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
teachers we quite often like an
answer.

1077
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,440
We like a right answer, we like
a box.

1078
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,840
So we can take particularly for
year 6, Like how much better is

1079
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,360
it like right and wrong versus
like, oh, have they done this?

1080
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,120
You know what I mean?
Maths versus reading it's.

1081
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,400
Easy to mark, isn't it?
Yeah, we love it.

1082
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,960
We just love that, we love that
black and white nature of stuff

1083
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,600
because it does make life
easier.

1084
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Unfortunately, with our
nutrition, with our relationship

1085
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,440
with food, it isn't black and
white and we're living through

1086
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
an age now where, again, not to
blame social media.

1087
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Social media's amazing.
We met on social media, you

1088
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,840
know, we build our platforms, we
help people through social

1089
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,920
media.
It's awesome.

1090
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,080
However, there is this huge
extremism pendulum almost going

1091
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,240
on at the moment.
You've got people, the stuff.

1092
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,280
I don't know what I've been
watching, but my feed at the

1093
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,960
moment, I've got people eating,
you know, parts of animals that

1094
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,040
you would never really want to
eat.

1095
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,160
And you've got drinking like
animal blood and like eating

1096
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,200
only this and raw, you know,
people eating raw meat and being

1097
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
like, you know, yeah, I put it
in the book.

1098
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,480
There's, there's, there's a,
there's a diet out there that

1099
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,280
says that you're not allowed to
drink water.

1100
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,080
What So Charlie, what I'm going
to do quickly, what to break

1101
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,000
this conversation up is I just
want to read from your book, if

1102
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,560
you don't mind you, you you said
as I write this, I just paused

1103
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,240
to search the word diet on the
Internet.

1104
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,920
So this this just basically sums
up what you just said.

1105
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,000
And this is what came up like
you said on social media online.

1106
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,040
So here's a few of them.
Bread is bad.

1107
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,920
Is your cereal killing you?
Only eat like your ancestors.

1108
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,920
Big food has you addicted.
Forget the fruit, only eat meat.

1109
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,720
And like you just said, why
water is ruining your health.

1110
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,040
So although Hayden and I did
have a laugh when we read

1111
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,800
through that, because it seems
so bizarre.

1112
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,640
It's real, isn't it?
It's so real, 100% yeah.

1113
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Yeah, I had, I had quite, quite
a laugh, Ryan, that to be honest

1114
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,200
with you.
But is this extremism?

1115
00:44:55,200 --> 00:45:00,120
And I think in part it's due to
the fact that just as a society

1116
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
and as the way the platforms are
evolving, you've got, I can't

1117
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,440
remember the statistic.
It's like nought .75 seconds to

1118
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,280
grab someone's attention and
this, that and the other.

1119
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,280
So everything is very
polarising, very extreme.

1120
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,880
And as always with almost
everything in life, the grey

1121
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,920
area in the middle is probably
where you are best placed.

1122
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,680
Yeah, it takes us back to that.
You know, I often refer to it as

1123
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,080
less optimal to more optimal
that I call it the spectrum

1124
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,680
mindset because rather than it
being we know that no food has

1125
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,120
morals.
It's not good or bad.

1126
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,720
I had a conversation with a
client about this this morning.

1127
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,880
You know, because you eat a
piece of chocolate, you are not

1128
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,440
a bad human being.
You are not inherently your

1129
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,920
worth doesn't decrease.
You know, you don't have this

1130
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,840
number above your head and every
time you eat a piece of

1131
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,280
chocolate, you lose 10 points.
It's not how it works.

1132
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,320
So it doesn't have morals.
It's it's just a, a composition

1133
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,640
of carbs and sugars and fibre
and calories and all the rest of

1134
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,240
it.
So spectrum thinking this, this

1135
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,080
this way of approaching
nutrition is for whatever your

1136
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,520
goal is.
And just to further complicate

1137
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,400
it, you've got different
spectrums for different parts.

1138
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,120
So you might have a physical
health spectrum, your mental,

1139
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,560
your social, your emotional.
An example I often use is that

1140
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,600
when you get a promotion, right,
you get a promotion and you find

1141
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,320
out about your promotion on
Thursday, you're like amazing,

1142
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,080
awesome, cool text the family.
Let's go out for a, for a Curry

1143
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,280
on Saturday night.
Amazing.

1144
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,600
And I'll have a couple of beers
and I'll have a Curry.

1145
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,320
Awesome.
That is in a way, emotional

1146
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,960
eating, emotional and eating.
But it's just we don't we don't

1147
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,480
think of it because it's a
positive emotion.

1148
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,440
And you could argue that, OK,
going out for a Curry and having

1149
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,720
a couple of beers, is it super
duper optimal, like perfected

1150
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,920
hyper performance, Alpha wolf?
Like, is it that level of

1151
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440
awesome?
No, it's not like you're eating

1152
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,600
quite a lot of, you know, oils
and you're having a bit of

1153
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,920
alcohol.
OK, but it's lovely though,

1154
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,640
isn't it?
But it's.

1155
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,120
Lovely.
And you are there.

1156
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,120
So on a physical health
spectrum, OK, it might be

1157
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,840
slightly towards the less
optimal side.

1158
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Cool.
Also, we don't just eat for

1159
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,040
fuel, we eat for fun.
We're human beings.

1160
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,440
Once Upon a time we sat on a
campfire and we exchanged

1161
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,320
stories and songs and we ate
meat and berries and whatever

1162
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,000
else we did.
So although it's maybe not

1163
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,800
super, super optimal for a
physical health perspective, you

1164
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,520
are more than just the body.
You're in for your social,

1165
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,320
emotional, and mental health.
Going out for that Curry might

1166
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,440
be the best thing you can
possibly do.

1167
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,000
It always is it always going out
for a Curry.

1168
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,080
It's the best thing I could do.
You have.

1169
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440
For you, there's something that
is different about a Curry out

1170
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,800
versus a Curry.
It's so true.

1171
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,320
You're so good.
We're trying to organise one now

1172
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,600
at the read it and I'm, I'm
gutted every time.

1173
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Like someone can't do it and I'm
just like, I wanna go right now.

1174
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Because it's it's the best.
Thing you've hit the nail on the

1175
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,000
head this is and and I think
what you're coaching does really

1176
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,720
well in this book.
It it gives people.

1177
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,200
Almost a pat on the back to say
don't mate, don't worry, don't

1178
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,480
worry about that and build it
in.

1179
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,880
We can do, we can improve things
in many ways and you going for a

1180
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Curry, enjoying it with your
mates and having a great time is

1181
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,720
not worth beating yourself up
over because we can make other

1182
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,760
small steps.
And it is that small step

1183
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,000
mindset, which I'm really coming
around to that I, I, I need to

1184
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,600
convince myself to actually do
now because I, I agree with you.

1185
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,920
It's it's the best way forward.
Yeah, yeah, 100%.

1186
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,400
I think.
I think with that as well, we've

1187
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,680
got to, we've got to really be
honest with ourselves because

1188
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,120
when we look at the world again,
not to bash on social media, but

1189
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,680
when we look at the world online
at the moment, it's not real.

1190
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,520
First of all, it's, it's, it's
not real.

1191
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,560
And you see people eating and
moving and sleeping and living

1192
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,640
their lives in a way that, and
they probably, that's probably

1193
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,560
their job first and foremost.
They're likely through affiliate

1194
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,080
and, and brand schemes and
whatever else, they're likely to

1195
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,040
be earned money.
So they don't need to go to

1196
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,720
work.
When you look at people like

1197
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:36,160
Dwayne Johnson, you know, he
has, he takes a gym, a huge gym

1198
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,320
everywhere he goes.
And he has personal chefs.

1199
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,800
And you know, often we do look
at these people.

1200
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,280
We do sometimes compare
ourselves.

1201
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,800
But when we're looking at that,
we need to think the question to

1202
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,920
ask ourselves is, is what I'm
doing for my physical health

1203
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,280
actually having a net positive
or a net negative on my entire

1204
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,320
health because we are seeing a
massive increase in eating

1205
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,400
disorders, but also disordered
eating tendencies.

1206
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,880
You know, for example, I've,
I've never experienced an eating

1207
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,680
disorder.
I haven't been diagnosed.

1208
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,920
But I remember many years ago
when I first started coaching,

1209
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,920
I, I did a photo shoot and I
absolutely experienced

1210
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,240
disordered eating tendencies,
you know, and we're seeing

1211
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:17,760
numbers, you know, you look at
the statistics.

1212
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,520
I won't pretend to know what
they're off the top of my head,

1213
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,280
but they're alarming.
I did a post on this recently.

1214
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,600
You look at the statistics of
personal trainers and coaches

1215
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,440
who have eating disorders or
disordered eating tendencies and

1216
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,920
it's through the roof.
There's, there's essentially a

1217
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,280
term that means that we are
very, very controlling around

1218
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,760
our food.
And we, you know, we have to be

1219
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,480
super, super specific and, and
anything other than that causes

1220
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,720
us a lot of, you know, a lot of
anxiety, a lot of stress, a lot

1221
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,640
of overwhelm.
And you've got to ask yourself

1222
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,960
if your food is causing you to
feel anxious.

1223
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,720
Is it, is it a net positive for
your health?

1224
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,920
And that, yeah, that's just the
question I'd ask anyone.

1225
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,280
It's such a good point.
I feel like, and feel free to,

1226
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,400
you know, you can reflect on our
on our conversations if you want

1227
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,160
to.
But like, I feel like just when

1228
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,280
we've when we spoke, one of my
biggest criticisms of everything

1229
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,640
is that I like chocolate so much
that and not having it in my

1230
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,280
life is a net is a net down.
Like it's a net loss because I'm

1231
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,680
like, yeah, Oh yeah, I'm
healthier and my mental health's

1232
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,240
great.
What is it?

1233
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,160
Because I can't eat chocolate.
Like, and I know it sounds

1234
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,800
almost ridiculous, but I, I
reckon there's a lot of people

1235
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,480
that resonate with that where
it's like, yeah, the reason the

1236
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,160
barrier to me dieting is that I
am miserable when I'm doing it.

1237
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,240
And it's like, oh, I'm
healthier.

1238
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,200
Like I'm going to, OK, I'm going
to live a bit longer because if

1239
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,160
I keep this forever, my body's
going to be more healthy.

1240
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,480
But I'm miserable.
So I really like you talking

1241
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,960
about that net, just that net
gain.

1242
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,880
You know what I mean?
It's not just about that one

1243
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,240
element, which is which is why I
think Dylan, like when you've

1244
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,720
done your no sugar, I think it's
why you've you've given up after

1245
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,360
a few months because ultimately
you're like, oh, this just sucks

1246
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,560
because I can't like because
I've gone all or nothing.

1247
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,120
I can't have anything I actually
enjoy.

1248
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,200
And eating is something you
enjoy doing.

1249
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,480
I I do I really?
Do a lot of people, some people

1250
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,600
have like got the genetics of of
from the gods and they're like,

1251
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,400
oh, you know, food is just this
thing.

1252
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,640
There's just this sustenance
that I can completely control.

1253
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,200
Yeah, not me, pal.
Not you.

1254
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,800
That's such a word because
there's a massive and this, we

1255
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,680
don't talk about this like you
look at the the study of sort of

1256
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,400
obesity in larger populations
and things very rarely, I mean,

1257
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,960
you never see it on social media
with fitness influencers.

1258
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,000
No one talks about the genetic
component.

1259
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,640
Like some people genuinely are
more predisposed to hold more

1260
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,120
body fat in certain areas.
You know, we see even a gender

1261
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,120
difference there as well.
P Some people are genuinely,

1262
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,880
through fluctuations and how
their brain deals with things

1263
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,880
like dopamine, genuinely have
more addictive personalities and

1264
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,040
might find things, you know,
regulating certain things more

1265
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,440
more difficult.
Some people genuinely have a

1266
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,160
sweet to tooth than others.
You know, some people have, you

1267
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,800
know, you'll see some people
have like almost like weirdly

1268
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,080
optimised hunger levels.
So they'll have, you know, a

1269
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,080
rice cake.
Fish.

1270
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,560
Seen that video fishing a rice
cake.

1271
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ice kick.

1272
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Yeah.
You know, they'll have a bit of

1273
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,160
frozen cod and the rice cake.
And they were like, oh, I'm

1274
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,280
stuffed.
Yeah.

1275
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,560
Yes, those.
People you know and the two

1276
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,920
hunger hall of two main ones,
Grilling and leptin.

1277
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,440
I call it the grilling goblin
or, or grilling gremlin.

1278
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,920
And that's what makes you feel
hungry.

1279
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,040
And then you've got lovely
leptin, which is your satiation,

1280
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,360
your, your, your faultless
hormone.

1281
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,720
And you know, you can see
genetic differences in that you,

1282
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,240
you see the look, you look at
the size of people's stomachs.

1283
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,040
But there is so much genetic
influence in terms of how we

1284
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,360
feel, behave, respond to to
food.

1285
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,560
And also you got all your
conditioning and your upbringing

1286
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,480
and all that other stuff.
One of the things I really like,

1287
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,760
your personal touch to this
approach, what really helped me

1288
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,440
get over a bit of a barrier with
the all or nothing mindset,

1289
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,000
which is something I'm very like
stubborn with.

1290
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,400
Was that OK?
Well, let's look at doing a

1291
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,440
number of days per week where
you're just, you have what you

1292
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,600
want, but other days you don't
because it's still a reduction.

1293
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,120
And I found that was a really
good alternative to the classic

1294
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,280
one, which I can't do at all.
When everyone at work says this,

1295
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,920
everyone in my life says this,
which is or just have a bit

1296
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,200
less, just have one line of your
chocolate bar rather than eating

1297
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,400
the whole thing.
Then you've reduced it every day

1298
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,080
and I and I can not do that.
I can't and someone else might.

1299
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,760
So yeah, most.
People really can because it's

1300
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,920
really normal for people to be
like, Oh yeah, I just buy a

1301
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,080
chocolate bar and I'll just have
one line tonight, one line the

1302
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,080
next night.
And I'm like, Nope, if it's in

1303
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,280
the house, all I'm thinking
about is I'm going to go and eat

1304
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,600
that whole thing and I will
every single time eat the whole

1305
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,080
thing.
So being able to do a mini all

1306
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,400
or nothing approach for me
really works because it was

1307
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,840
like, no, it's all or nothing on
a day on a daily scale.

1308
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,960
And I woke up today.
Today I'm not going to have

1309
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,320
sugar and but tomorrow I'm going
to because we're going out and

1310
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,880
I'm going to have a pudding.
It's going to be not lovely.

1311
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,440
But but that did really work for
you, Haley, as someone who's

1312
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,480
like outside of this coaching
that's been going on about

1313
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,360
eating and stuff, I, you know,
I'd spend days of Hayden, I get

1314
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,600
a kind of round and I'd bring
I'd bring something like, Hey,

1315
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,640
guy, we can share this.
You know, here's Cremek classic

1316
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,680
thing.
And Hayden would say, no, not

1317
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,000
today.
I'll save that for tomorrow.

1318
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,960
But I I know Hayden having that
kind of carrot, as in I'm

1319
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,080
allowed this tomorrow meant he
didn't eat anything that day.

1320
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,520
And that's clearly better than
the alternative, which would

1321
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,360
have been have 1:00 every single
day.

1322
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,120
And I guess the overarching
thing I'm trying to come at now

1323
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,400
with everything we've said and
for our listeners who are

1324
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,880
listening to this is I want
everyone to kind of understand

1325
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,320
that there's not going to be a
quick fix.

1326
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,400
We've talked about these fads
that we've talked about, you

1327
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,040
know these.
That don't need that don't

1328
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,600
scare.
People into not having water

1329
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,280
anymore, it's like.
Get a grip.

1330
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,960
Honestly, those people are just
praying on people who have these

1331
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,000
dispositions.
Like you said, there's a lot of

1332
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,160
self worth issues with people
who think they're the problem

1333
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,280
and I'm the issue.
And I guess what I want our

1334
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,000
listeners to get from this, and
I think, Charlie, you're

1335
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,400
explaining this really well.
If maybe you could just

1336
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,400
summarise this idea of if a
teacher's listening to this

1337
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,360
right now, thinking I've clicked
on this because I think I have a

1338
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,640
bad relationship with food, It's
it's not a self blame game, It's

1339
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,520
a what will work for me game.
And that's, I think, where your

1340
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,840
book comes in so handily with
anyone reading it.

1341
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,000
They reflect on themselves and
say, well, this worked for me.

1342
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,280
I was, I was writing something
about this earlier, about this,

1343
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,640
this idea of compassion.
And so often we just as human

1344
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,800
beings, but particularly as a
teachers who have a very high

1345
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,360
expectation of ourselves, we're
naturally quite conscientious,

1346
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,480
quite driven people.
Sometimes we want to do really,

1347
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,720
really well for other people.
And there can be an element of

1348
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,240
people pleasing and that can
come from multiple different

1349
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:24,280
areas.
We, we can maybe talk about, but

1350
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,760
we can be people who very much
try and shame ourselves into

1351
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,360
change.
We try and guilt ourselves into

1352
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,000
growth.
If I can make myself feel

1353
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,880
absolutely terrible about
myself, if I can stand in the

1354
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,040
mirror and pull, pinch and pull
myself apart, I'm going to have

1355
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,280
the motivation.
There's a keyword there to, to,

1356
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,160
to change.
And we try and make ourselves

1357
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,040
feel so terrible that we are
forced into change.

1358
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,360
And that almost almost never
ever works because you're

1359
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,400
relying on this dark energy and
it's almost like holding on to

1360
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,080
this hot piece of coal.
And in the end, you're just the

1361
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,240
only one that gets burnt.
So I love to look at, it's one

1362
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,240
of my 3 core values, just
personally, but also with, with

1363
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,920
what I do, my coaching
connection, compassion and

1364
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,400
commitment.
That compassion.

1365
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,720
And there's two types of
compassion.

1366
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,720
There's comforting compassion,
you know, which is saying, yeah,

1367
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,840
you know what, you need a night
off, like put the laptop away,

1368
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,480
get an early night, have a bath,
light a candle.

1369
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,800
It's that classic self-care
stuff for for, for most of the

1370
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,080
time.
But there's also constructive

1371
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,400
compassion, which is US saying,
no, you know what?

1372
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,120
I need to do this work and it's
hard and it's going to take me a

1373
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,440
while and I've got a booking.
If you've got a coach, maybe

1374
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,280
I've got a booking, a coaching
call and you know, I'm really

1375
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,960
busy at where if it's in this is
that constructive compassion.

1376
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,560
This is you saying to yourself,
you know what?

1377
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,760
No, what, no, I matter.
Like this is important.

1378
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,920
I'm going to do this for myself.
If you've been thinking

1379
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,040
approaching eating a certain
way, dealing with stress, using

1380
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,640
certain coping strategies for
maybe 1020, maybe 30 years,

1381
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,680
right?
You know, we've got teachers out

1382
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,160
there who've been teaching
152025 years that maybe the

1383
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,080
chocolate, the wine, maybe that
has become a bit of a coping

1384
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,360
strategy, which again, it works.
We wouldn't do it if it didn't

1385
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,240
work.
It's just the net negative of

1386
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,640
that we talked about.
If you've been doing these

1387
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,960
things for such a long time,
you've just got to cut yourself

1388
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,200
some slack and say, you know
what?

1389
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,920
It's taken me ages to get to
this point where this is so

1390
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:16,200
literally embedded, wired in.
I need to give myself a year to

1391
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,720
to unpick this with some help.
Or what do you think about

1392
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,440
advice on the Internet?
You know, that's not even advice

1393
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,400
really.
But when you just Google

1394
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,920
something like, and how long
does it take to break an

1395
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,080
addiction or how long does it
take to change a habit?

1396
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,640
There's generally, when you look
it up, there's generally like an

1397
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,680
answer of like, you know, and it
might say like, oh, it takes six

1398
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,560
weeks to change a habit.
You know what I mean?

1399
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,000
What, what's your opinion on
those kind of ideas of like, oh,

1400
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,760
this is how long it takes a
human to change that behaviour?

1401
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,160
Because you've just talked about
people that might have habits

1402
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,360
for like 30 years.
And in my head, surely there's a

1403
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,160
difference between or just
people in general, depending on

1404
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,600
some factors like that.
Yeah, absolutely.

1405
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,560
I, I did some research into this
when I was writing the book.

1406
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,960
From what I found, it's
typically anywhere between like

1407
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,880
30 and 365 days.
It's a huge range.

1408
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,520
Let's talk about breaking a
habit, right?

1409
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,560
If we want to break a habit, one
thing that we often fail to do

1410
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:07,840
is replace it with something
else.

1411
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,160
So it's it's the whole Indiana
Jones swap, right?

1412
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,360
I think it's Indiana Jones,
right?

1413
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,360
Yeah, yeah.
You've got if you're going to

1414
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,720
steal it if you think of.
That of one of us doing

1415
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,280
something.
Yeah, you've got to replace it

1416
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,640
with something else because
otherwise it's this void.

1417
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Yeah, there's so much we could
talk about.

1418
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,160
But then in that, in that void,
I've found when I've done that

1419
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,720
before and I've said, no, I'm
not doing that anymore.

1420
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,720
That void just makes me think of
that thing like you've almost

1421
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,480
got to distract yourself.
Like when I've thought when I

1422
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,400
did my no sugar, I keep going
back to this because it's, I

1423
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,800
think I can hold onto that.
I've done I I spent so many more

1424
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,120
hours thinking about sugary food
than I ever have in my life

1425
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,640
before.
There's a really, it's got a

1426
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,520
name, I can't remember what it's
called, but it's, you know, if I

1427
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,360
say to you don't think of a pink
elephant like most people, that

1428
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,360
would be pink elephant.
The thing with food is obviously

1429
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:57,720
we have such a connection to it.
Like, you know, I think about, I

1430
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:03,040
think about having baking a
cake, I think about being in my

1431
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,000
nan's kitchen, big bowl of
batter, definitely not good for

1432
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,200
your stomach.
And like eating all the like the

1433
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,760
leftover batter out of the raw
eggs and the waste.

1434
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,320
And like, you're just getting
rid of all the whiskey.

1435
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,440
Yeah, you know, getting all that
out, that's what I think of.

1436
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,360
So I think of a Victoria sponge.
I think of my nan.

1437
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,400
And I think, you know, it makes
me crave a Victoria sponge.

1438
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,000
I'm salivating now.
Like, brilliant.

1439
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,960
So we have these connections to
foods.

1440
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,600
And The thing is, if you say,
you know, if I said to you

1441
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,880
right, you'll never, ever, ever
allow pizza again, what's the

1442
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,960
one thing you'll think about
more, more than ever?

1443
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,360
Exactly.
And we have this thing that

1444
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,160
where when we try not to do
something, the value of that

1445
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,760
thing increases in our mind.
And it's it's sort of green

1446
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,200
grass is always green on the
other side sort of mentality.

1447
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,600
But it's just you're not allowed
it.

1448
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,280
We want what we can't have.
So, so, so much.

1449
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,680
So, yeah, when we when we.
This is why supervision and and

1450
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,720
do it in the right way.
And a personalised approach is

1451
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,640
so important because if we do
try and do it alone, or we try

1452
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,080
and do it without a bit of a
strategy, we say I'm not allowed

1453
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,800
that thing.
The value of that thing shoots

1454
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,200
up in your mind and that's all
you can think about and it

1455
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,520
preoccupies you.
Maybe I need to say that I'm not

1456
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,280
allowed vegetables and that'll
make me really want I'm not

1457
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,000
allowed vegetables, no.
It turns out it's the most

1458
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,000
successful time you've.
Ever done it?

1459
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,560
It really works this.
Time you write a book.

1460
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:14,640
About that.
But you'll be, you'll be a

1461
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,200
millionaire, Yeah.
So bringing it to I think about

1462
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,560
our listeners now because I
think I'm getting obsessed with

1463
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,800
just thinking about me and also
talking about all that.

1464
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,160
That like you just think what
you're saying.

1465
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,400
Me and on our coaching
experience, not only about you,

1466
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,480
isn't it, but just think about
the list of like some, some

1467
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,960
people might be listening right
now thinking, OK, this is all

1468
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,800
cool.
It's all good.

1469
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,640
It's good to know about the
science.

1470
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,360
It's good to know about this
sort of mess of cognition, all

1471
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,440
this level and stuff.
But maybe they're facing their

1472
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,360
own challenges and it it could
be similar.

1473
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,160
Let's just say it is sugar as
well, because that's quite a

1474
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,920
common 1, isn't it?
Where do they start?

1475
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,800
Because this is like the biggest
bit, isn't it?

1476
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,120
They're thinking, OK, this is
cool, but what do I do now?

1477
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,560
Like, OK, so I'm not going to do
all or nothing.

1478
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,800
I'm not going to just quit
everything.

1479
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Do you have any approaches?
I'm not saying quick fixes

1480
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,760
because that's, that's just like
we've established that that

1481
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,800
doesn't exist.
The starting points, perhaps.

1482
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,000
Do you have any approaches that
you would recommend, or as you

1483
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,200
call them in your book,
Commandments, like little things

1484
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,960
that people can start doing to
change their habits or replace

1485
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,480
their habits, perhaps alongside
things like the pause principle

1486
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,640
that you mentioned?
Most people when they're facing

1487
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,480
this, this situation, they have
a very low opinion of their

1488
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,960
themselves related to this
thing.

1489
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,120
I mean, right, if someone
really, really struggles with

1490
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,000
chocolate, they're going to feel
like they, they can't manage it.

1491
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,760
If someone always leans on the,
the bottle of wine, they're

1492
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,200
going to feel like they can't
manage without that.

1493
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,920
So connect relative to this
thing, related to this thing,

1494
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,400
sorry, we're going to have quite
a low opinion of ourselves and

1495
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,760
we're going to think, right, I
can't do this.

1496
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,560
What we need to do first and
foremost, we need to start

1497
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,640
building trust.
We need to build belief that we

1498
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,040
can actually do this.
Because right now, if someone's

1499
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,040
listening to this and and this
is really true, you're probably

1500
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,160
completely convinced that it's
you, you just broken.

1501
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,640
And I hear it really.
It genuinely like breaks my

1502
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,960
heart.
I've had so many coaching calls.

1503
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,440
Coaching calls usually end in
tears.

1504
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,200
We'll get on.
And this will be the first time

1505
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,640
potentially in their lives
they've ever admitted some some

1506
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,160
of these things.
I say admitted like it's

1507
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,120
something they should keep
themselves.

1508
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,600
Absolutely not.
But it's the first time they've

1509
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,160
ever shared these things with
people.

1510
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,040
And some it's, it actually makes
me upset because there's so many

1511
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,760
people out there who are in such
a bad place with how they feel

1512
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,320
about themselves, their
relationship with food, how

1513
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,240
they're managing their stress.
And when we have that first

1514
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,040
call, you can just you, you see
people's belief on the floor,

1515
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,480
but just just in pieces.
And the first thing we want to

1516
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,200
do is find a way for you to see
some success.

1517
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,120
Like no matter what it is, we
need to get some wins in early

1518
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,360
doors.
So something like the pause

1519
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,440
principle can be a really nice
place to start.

1520
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,880
And obviously in the book
there's lots of frameworks about

1521
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,320
how to approach nutrition.
A really nice one.

1522
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,440
Again, generally speaking, the
matter your gold is that 531

1523
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,400
framework, which is right.
Each day I'm just going to try

1524
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,520
and eat 5 plants, 5 fruits and
veggies, right?

1525
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,040
Just a palm size, you know, just
to start with palm of

1526
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,800
blueberries, you know, half a
carrot or whatever.

1527
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,320
I'm just going to try and eat 5
plants, try and get protein at

1528
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,160
each meal.
So 3 portions of protein and

1529
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,760
then one thing that I enjoy
every day.

1530
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,440
And again, that's about making
sure that relationship with that

1531
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,560
food stays positive.
You're not, You're not

1532
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,680
increasing that value.
So I think that would be a

1533
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,040
really good place to start just
to set us off right, 531 method,

1534
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,240
5 plants, 3 bits of protein, 11
food I enjoy.

1535
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,800
And then we can start to move
that person so they start to

1536
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,880
build success.
They're starting to feel

1537
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,080
successful.
Cool.

1538
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,360
I'm starting to do something
positive.

1539
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,040
We haven't talked about stress.
We haven't banned anything.

1540
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,600
We haven't put food really,
really rigid food rules in.

1541
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:37,880
We've just started setting them
up.

1542
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,680
Pause prints will be, will be a
great next place to go just

1543
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,880
because we're just starting to
create that space around that

1544
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,480
food.
And again, we want to practise

1545
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,680
that with very, very low
pressure, you know, not low

1546
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,520
standards, but very low
expectations of ourselves saying

1547
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,720
right, if, if one time this week
I can practise that pause

1548
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,200
principle.
Awesome.

1549
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,960
Like that's fantastic.
I've, I've achieved that or

1550
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,520
going back to behaviour ranges
one to three times this week.

1551
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,240
Brilliant.
You know, I, I can do that.

1552
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,280
And then we can start to build
this up a little bit more.

1553
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,400
And then I talk about something
called the three FS and there's

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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,040
lots of different models of the
three FS used by lots of

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01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,560
different people.
But I like to think about it as

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,280
how do I feel before I eat that
food?

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01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,120
How does that food feed the
emotion and how can I find an

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,720
alternative?
So this is a longer term

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01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,880
strategy when that person
reaches for that food to stick

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01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,680
with that goal that that aim
when that person reaches for

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01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,720
that food.
We need to.

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01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,400
By using that Paul's principle,
create a space where we can go.

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,520
All right, hang on a minute.
How am I feeling right now?

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01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,360
Like before I pick this up, how
am I feeling?

1565
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,640
And there's a really good
framework called called Haltas,

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01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,600
which is haltas in stop.
And then I put AS on the end, Am

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01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,920
I hungry?
Am I, am I angry?

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01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,520
Am I lonely or bored?
Am I tired?

1569
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:49,960
Am I anxious?
Am I stressed?

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01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,600
Because those tend to be the six
emotions, emotional states that

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,440
we often will end up using a
coping strategy to manage

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01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,120
because going back to earlier,
we're seeking comfort, control

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,200
and certainty.
So where you can, and again, you

1574
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,160
don't need to be perfect with
this.

1575
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,960
You don't need to every time.
Can I just identify how I feel

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01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,320
before I eat that food,
brilliant.

1577
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,680
Cool.
I go ahead.

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,840
I eat that food, brilliant.
But I now know a bit more about

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,000
why.
Then we move on to the second

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,360
bit, which is OK.
I need to figure out how that

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,880
food feeds the emotion.
So how does that food actually

1582
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,360
help?
Because if we did, if it didn't

1583
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,160
help, if it didn't give you
comfort, control or certainty,

1584
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,480
you wouldn't bother doing it.
Your brain would come up with

1585
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,440
something else.
So we need to figure out what

1586
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,280
that food is giving us.
So how do I feel before the

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01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,040
food?
How is that food feeding the

1588
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,120
emotion?
How's it helping?

1589
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,160
Once we've established that, we
can then think about what

1590
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,680
alternatives we can then start
to incorporate.

1591
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,520
So if that, if that food gives
you a sense of control back

1592
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,160
because your whole life just
feels like a whirlwind and

1593
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,000
you're, it feels like you're in
the eye of the storm 24/7.

1594
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:52,760
You just need to control
something.

1595
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,120
OK, cool.
How about sitting down and doing

1596
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,640
a mind dump of everything that's
in your head to give you a bit

1597
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,120
of grasp and a bit of control
back?

1598
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,280
How about going for a quick walk
to get a breath of fresh air or

1599
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,880
for, for 60 seconds and, and,
and using that to ground

1600
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,960
yourself and get that sense of
control back.

1601
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,480
How about giving your desk a
quick tidy to to show that

1602
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,080
you've got control of your
physical environment?

1603
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,280
And again, for, for things like
certainty.

1604
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:17,600
Cool.
Can I sit down and have a

1605
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,560
conversation with my partner
about this?

1606
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,680
Or can we map out our meals for
next week?

1607
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,080
How can I create certainty in my
life?

1608
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,600
You know, is it writing down my
three top tasks for tomorrow to

1609
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,520
create that level of certainty
and comfort?

1610
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,520
Right?
It's probably you're probably

1611
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,640
not going to find it scrolling.
You're probably not going to

1612
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,280
find it in food not long term
anyway.

1613
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,000
So what does comfort mean to
you?

1614
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,800
Because as teachers, we spend
our lives perpetually in in a

1615
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,960
state of discomfort.
We we're stressed, we're

1616
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,520
overwhelmed, we're overworked,
we're constantly uncomfortable.

1617
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,600
So naturally you're going to
come home or you're going to go

1618
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,640
to the staff room at half three,
you're going to seek comfort.

1619
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,880
So how can I get that comfort
into my life?

1620
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,360
So yeah, that's a bit of a
longer term process that we we

1621
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,400
can use.
This, this chat I find so

1622
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,040
insightful because I, I feel
like, you know, not only you're

1623
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,360
talking to thousands of people
out there and our listeners are

1624
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,960
going to get so much from this,
but me personally, just listen

1625
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,680
every time I listen to you,
Charlie, anyone who doesn't

1626
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,560
follow Charlie on Instagram, the
teachers health coach.

1627
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,440
And I've got to say right now,
before we finish up this chat,

1628
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,960
if you haven't ordered Charlie's
book, I just want to hold it up

1629
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,800
again.
Healthy habits for teacher life.

1630
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,200
My goodness me order it.
It's a short read.

1631
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,720
It will, I think, open up your
eyes.

1632
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,000
And Charlie, what I love about
what you do is you make people

1633
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,640
feel good about themselves.
You don't make them feel bad.

1634
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,480
So you make them feel like, oh,
you know, I'm a good person.

1635
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,000
And these problems I might have
with my health, which we can

1636
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,560
identify them as, I'm happy to
say that's a problem I have.

1637
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,640
It's not attached to me as a
human being.

1638
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:41,120
And I think that separation is
so important in a world where I

1639
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,120
think a lot of people are made
to feel bad for that and as if

1640
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,120
they're in the wrong.
And I think what you're doing is

1641
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,880
a force for good social and say
thank you for that.

1642
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,400
You definitely did that with,
with me as well when we, when we

1643
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,440
started our coaching course.
You know, I I came to you and

1644
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,840
you, you, you kindly didn't, you
know, say it was me earlier, but

1645
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:57,320
I'm sure I was one of the
examples.

1646
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,000
I came to you as a broken
person.

1647
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,360
I've said to you, I'm broken.
I said to you, you can't fix me.

1648
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,400
No one can.
I All you know, chocolate is

1649
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,640
it's a horrible addiction to me
and for some reason I just can't

1650
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,480
control it.
But actually you open my eyes

1651
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:09,920
and I don't think I'm remotely
there yet.

1652
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,720
I'm not there yet.
I even said to you at the time I

1653
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,440
was like, I'm definitely one of
those people that is going to

1654
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,000
take the full year to start like
replacing this habit.

1655
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,560
And you were like, yeah, maybe
that's your disposition.

1656
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,680
And so we're sort of 1/4.
Of the way through that right

1657
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,279
now, but you've definitely
opened my eyes and maybe I

1658
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,840
realise that they're absolutely
I absolutely can do it though.

1659
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,200
There are definitely things that
work with me that maybe are

1660
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,000
quite unique to me or or maybe
work for a small amount of

1661
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,359
people and and other bigger
tactics that just don't work

1662
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,319
with me at all.
So I think that's what I really

1663
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,040
like about this book and what
you do is that it just makes you

1664
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,399
realise that we're not all the
same.

1665
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:42,359
You know what I mean?
People have different

1666
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,760
approaches, people take longer,
people take shorter people have

1667
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,319
different genetics.
Like you said, there's just so

1668
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,279
many factors that you need to
consider before just saying oh

1669
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,680
I'm just the worst, I am just
the worst less.

1670
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,120
Calories than you OK, I get I
get it down.

1671
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,560
To calories.
But there's so many reasons why

1672
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,640
I put more calories into my
mouth.

1673
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,399
So, you know, just just saying
that is so unhelpful.

1674
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,880
Yeah, I.
Appreciate you jumping on though

1675
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,680
and doing and having, you know,
basically just doing the

1676
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,000
extended.
Episode because we wanted.

1677
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,920
To get on this into the first
episode and we didn't have fine

1678
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,760
yeah, episode 89.
If anyone wants to go back and

1679
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,960
listen to the first one called
beating burnout, boosting health

1680
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,240
and putting yourself first top
tips of Charlie.

1681
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,359
But yeah, thanks so much for
jumping on.

1682
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,240
Thank you guys.
Thanks for having me back.