Ep 105: Managing Imposter Syndrome, Tips For ECTs & Spotting Workplace Bullying

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Hello everyone, welcome back to
another episode of Teach Sleep

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan, my name is

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Hayden, and we are two primary
school teachers sat down at our

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microphones, on our soapboxes,
talking about all things

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education.
Wow, new listeners, Hayden, you

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just never know.
You wanted to confirm who we are

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because last week we kind of
went straight into talking about

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kebabs.
And I can imagine someone being

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like isn't.
That the teacher mod just it's

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funny actually, because we did
that and then we had one of the

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best sort of weeks we've ever
had of listeners so.

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Well, no, I think that was a
number of reasons that went into

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that, maybe more than the
content.

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I think it's the kebab.
OK, the kebab review.

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Right then.
So talking of kebabs, Yep.

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What is your favourite ever
kebab feeling?

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Hopefully we're not going to.
Know if you want.

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To know about Hayden's kebab
choices, go back to next week.

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But we are here, we are going to
reflect week and then we have

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got so many incredible topics
that we're talking about today.

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We had questions come in from
all of you listeners.

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So if you didn't get a chance to
give us one, listen to today's

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episode and then if anything
jumps out, send us our way

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because we're going to be doing
some more of this in the future.

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We've got Sen questions,
inclusion, We've got questions

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about SLT, questions about ECTS,
how to support them.

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I could go on and on.
We even have a question in there

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about mini eggs somewhere.
That sounds good.

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There's so many amazing topics
we're going to talk about.

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I can't wait to get our teeth
into that.

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But first, Hayden, let's reflect
how's it been?

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We've had another week in a
primary school and I, I kind of

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wanted to just frame this a bit
first, something really

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positive.
Yeah, I know I'm going to ask

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you how your week's been, but
it's that time of year, isn't

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it?
I spoke about before where you,

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I feel you really start to hit
the ground running with your

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children.
You're in those routines and

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actually they've learnt a lot
with you and you're really

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building on that now, filling in
gaps and just kind of polishing

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off their knowledge.
And I I just, every time this

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year, I just think the kids are
amazing.

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Yeah, it's a good time to
reflect.

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And you know what, on top of
that, sun's coming out.

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Yeah, seriously, it makes, it
makes a difference.

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It makes you realise.
I don't know, I think I it makes

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me appreciate the positives a
bit more because I just feel a

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bit more happy in general.
I don't know.

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What about the children in
general though?

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Because I must, I got, I got to
say like, you know, we sit here

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and we talk about the issues and
stuff and some people take

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umbrage of that online like.
You talking about?

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What we're going to, so just get
used to it.

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But I do think there is room
though still to kind of get the

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point across how much we do love
this job.

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I love teaching so much and it
is down to working with amazing

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kids and they work so hard, like
genuinely and, and I really,

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really enjoy helping them out.
And it feels like it culminates

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now.
It really does come into

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fruition where I'm like, I just
sit back sometimes and look at

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my class working.
I'm just like, you're so good.

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Yeah.
So you're, you're grateful.

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That's what you're being right
now, isn't it?

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I'm grateful, yeah.
Do you know what?

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Let's be positive then.
I'm grateful as well.

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Do you know what?
I work in year 6 and I feel like

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the kids are just a little bit
more mature compared to even

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just in year 4.
And I noticed the other day that

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when I was standing at the end
of the day, like dismissing the

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children, some kids from the
other classes when they were

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leaving as well.
Just it's such a small thing.

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You might even think it's silly,
but they just took the five

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seconds to come over to me and
be like, see you later, Mrs

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Stevens.
I'm not even in my class.

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If it's your class, you're
dismissing them.

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Fair enough.
But it's like, oh, I just, I

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just have such a nice
relationship with some of these

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kids.
And I'm like, I take it you take

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it for granted, don't you?
Because we get so bogged down

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with, yeah, I've got to go and
do a lot of planning.

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I've got to go and do this
thing.

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I've got to go mark your books.
And I'm thinking about the next

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thing, the next thing, the next
thing.

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But sometimes it is just nice to
think, Do you know what?

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In that snapshot right there, I
was standing in the sun.

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I'm going to keep mentioning
that I was standing there in the

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sun, half free or whatever,
dismissing kids who were

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grateful for being there that
day.

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We had fun in our lessons, but
they learned things.

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They like me as a human being.
I like them as a human being.

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And they said goodbye, Miss
Stevens.

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And one of them even said, have
a nice evening.

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Yeah.
How nice is that?

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Yeah, I know.
What a lovely, lovely job.

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Every single day we did a
register, obviously, but you

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know, we register.
I find a time where we can have

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a little fun, have a little game
or something we do.

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We do something called Register
Record, which I put on our

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Instagram this week.
I've mentioned it before, it's

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just how quick we can do the
register.

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And when I put it online, other
teachers were like, we do that

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in our schools.
Recall, we're all bracing each

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other to the register quickly.
But the point I'm making here is

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there are a few children every
single day that when they do the

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register, they'll say something
like, you know, it's like good

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morning.
Or here it's little things like

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they'll go, great morning, hope
you have a great day.

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That's nice.
And then they'll say like what

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they are having Pat lunch or
school dinner or something.

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But they mean it.
They mean it.

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They're like, they're just
wishing you a good morning.

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And there's certain children,
our children come into the

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playground before they come into
the classroom.

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They have like 10 minutes
outside in the morning running

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around, letting off some steam.
And every morning there's one

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child comes to my door who's in
my class, knocks on the door and

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just waves at me.
Just say hello.

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And then she runs off.
Or sometimes she'll come in and

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I'll be like, I wonder, well,
she maybe she needs to, she left

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her book here or something, or
her glasses from yesterday.

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No, no, she'll come and be like
last night.

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I, me and my mum, we made this
for dinner.

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It was so.
Good.

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She's been waiting to tell you
that all morning.

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I.
Know and just run around to do

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it and I guess the point I'm
making is just yeah, I saw a

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post about it being almost a
privilege and I think you can

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forget how lucky we are
sometimes because like you said

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you are thinking like I'm there
at half eight in the morning

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thinking Oh my God, I've got 10
minutes the kids going to come

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in I do want to just get this
done for them isn't this so

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stressful I could have come in
at 7:15 this morning but that's

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all my time and you start
getting in your own head don't

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you have the negatives yeah but
at the end of the day do you

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know there's there's 3038 year
olds waiting to come in who

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can't wait to come in and yeah
and they want to come in and

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just tell you about what they
did because.

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You know, because you know what?
That they they, they love their

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almost like family at this
point, you know, you know, in

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like you just have that you just
have that love for someone.

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Like I want to tell them about
my life because they're a big

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part of my life.
They have that like it's

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different that you've mentioned
being at work, right?

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And your Co worker comes in just
like you just make an office and

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they come in.
It doesn't happen.

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They don't, no one comes in with
that level of like I've been

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dying to tell my teachers
because because I respect them

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so much.
Like they are just like they're

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someone, they're just a big part
of my life.

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I don't know, it's just
different, isn't it?

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You don't have any friends at
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I don't have any.
I don't have any friends at

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work.
At work I don't have any

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friends.
Actually, but you know, just

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coming back full circle, there
were people listening to this

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who resonated with it.
There were people listening to

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this who go, I really struggle
to build that relationship.

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My class.
Look, it's not it's not going to

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happen every single year all the
time to everyone.

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But I do find that you really
start reaping the rewards now of

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putting that effort into
building those relationships

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early on.
And when your children love

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being in your classroom and love
and love being around you, it

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can be really stressful
sometimes when you've got 57

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voices or what feels like that
saying Mr. Price.

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Mr. Price.
Mr. Price.

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Mr. Price surprise, but if you
actually.

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Just stop and listen to what
they're saying.

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They're saying something like
this chapter of my book is

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amazing.
Last night I did this with my

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family.
Yeah.

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What we're doing this afternoon,
I can't wait to have a lesson.

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They want to interact with you.
They want to interact with you.

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And not only that, there's
really positive stuff.

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And I guess the other thing is,
and maybe you've seen this,

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maybe you could comment on this,
kids work so, so hard.

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And we're so passionate, aren't
we, about it being fun for the

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kids?
And sometimes we talk about how

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knowledge based the curriculum
is and how that can be quite

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frustrating because it can feel
like sometimes as the teacher,

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I'm just saying facts to the
kids.

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But you know what the kids find
fun in that we work hard to make

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it fun.
And at the end of the day, that

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that is all we really care
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And, and the kids do try so hard
and, you know, they might not

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get it straight away, but I feel
very, very lucky.

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I, I love this job so much and
there's so much other stuff, but

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I just want to focus on that
today.

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Basically, yeah, definitely.
I think that's nice.

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That was a nice positive start
and and all you have to do is be

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silly in the register and that's
the little things like that.

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You can build up these nice
relationships with just a

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reflection on that, right?
Because I was just thinking then

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about the start of my career and
I want to tell you about a time

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with the register, funnily
enough, because I do funny

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things with the to now as well.
Because I'm like, it is just a

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little 5 minute window where you
can just have a bit of a

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relationship with the kids.
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Before you dive into maths and
English and stuff, at the start

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of my career when I worked at a
school that was very much like

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every minute matters, which I do
think is true by the way.

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Every minute does matter if you
put it that way.

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But they were very like hard on
like, so don't waste any time

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not doing maths and English.
It was very much like every

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minute matters for this thing
that we measure.

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It was like that, you know what
I mean?

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It matters.
It's just for the matter English

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and for our data, our data, our
data matters.

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So the kids like, you know,
whatever and but it is, isn't

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it?
That's what it means when you

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say something matters.
It does.

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The context also matters.
Yeah, the context probably more

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than anything in that one.
Every minute matters.

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It's like, yeah, I know, that's
why I'm drawing a Pokémon on the

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board with them.
No, no, not that kind of matter,

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actually.
Whatever.

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Anyway, you're doing a state of
matter lesson that matters.

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Yeah, every minute matters.
Get a reading.

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What do you mean?
They're talking in your class.

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Get them reading a book in that
one minute spare minute you've

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got.
OK, whatever.

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But with the register, obviously
I took this to heart because I

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took it seriously, because, you
know, I was an NQT, newly

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qualified teacher.
I wanted to be the best possible

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teacher in the world.
I listen to every bit of

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feedback ever because I didn't
know what I was doing.

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And I was like, OK, I found a
bit of time I can, I can save on

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the register.
And it's a bit different to

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what, you know, you have a bit
of fun doing your register

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record.
It's different to what I'm about

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to say.
I thought, oh if and this sounds

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crazy now and someone criticised
me this and I didn't understand

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it at the time.
I was like why?

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I gave all the kids just a
number numerical value, just

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1234 sounds are ready for now.
Good morning.

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That's all I called them by all
day.

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No, I didn't really, but I gave
them for the register.

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I said right, everyone's got a
number.

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So you're #1 because you're one
in the register and to speed up

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this register, you're just like
#1 just says one and then the

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next person in the register just
says 2 and then she goes

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12345678 around the room.
That's a good echo that I can do

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acting there.
Thank you.

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It was quite good. 11, 16, this
kid's right in my ear anyway, so

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I did this.
I was like, yeah, shaved off 30

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seconds of the register there
And and like looking back on it,

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I'm like, what was I doing?
Yeah, that was like the one bit

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of the day where I get to have a
bit of interaction, like on a

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personal level with them.
And I was so obsessive.

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I did it really quickly.
Like to thinking about it.

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I gave the kids numbers for
names like What was I doing?

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Yeah, that's.
Crazy.

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And someone and people
criticised me and sort of looks

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like, oh, and I lose them
thinking I don't understand

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because like when every minute
matters, every minute matters.

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What are you talking about?
This?

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I've just shaved off another
minute.

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Like the register is not
learning.

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The register's pointless.
I just got to do this thing.

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So we do as quick as possible
now and now and now, yeah, now

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I'll spend 5 minutes on the
register sometimes because I'm

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like, yeah, I want to have a bit
of fun.

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I'm going to repeat back to you
exactly how you just said good

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morning to me until you clock on
that.

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I'm repeating.
And then eventually it gets

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silly because you know, I'm
going to repeat back what you

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just said to the next person.
And do you know what the best

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thing about it is?
Genuinely, the best thing about

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this job is when they go to mass
of a smile on their face.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's it comes down to that.

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Even better if they leave maps
with a smile on their face.

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Yeah, yeah, of course, of course
you know, they go they go into

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MASH, Yeah.
But that is, you know, if we if

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we just condense what I love
about this job, yeah, it is that

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it is that these children are so
pure, so lovely.

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There are always going to be
children who are tricky, always

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going to happen.
Part of the job, never

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complaining about that.
That is literally my job.

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But even down to.
We got a comment on something we

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posted this week and it was one
of those classic things we've

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spoken about before where we
post to real and for whatever

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reason we'll post something and
if it feels negative or feels

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like we're highlighting a
problem is what I prefer to call

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it.
That tends to do better because

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just resonates with more.
People.

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People like controversial.
Staff yeah.

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And and even controversial even
I don't even like the word

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controversial sometimes.
You say we're controversial.

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I'm just like, you know, when
we're only controversial because

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people don't like hearing stuff,
It's not even really

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controversial.
What was that?

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Because we were talking about
how the SEM register is growing

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and growing and it's quite
sporadic and what one school

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will class is someone being
eligible to be in the SEM might

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be different to another school,
et cetera.

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And but at the end of the day,
all needs are the same.

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As a teacher, all I really see,
all I really care about is I've

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got children in front of me and
I want to meet their needs.

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And for some children that
requires me to do different

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things than other children.
And that's very normal because I

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treat them as individuals.
And we were just doing a read

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about that.
And there was there were

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different ways that was taken by
by the minority.

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Some people took that as me
complaining or me moaning about

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having to have children who have
special educational needs in my

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class.
But you've completely missed.

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Do your job.
How about you actually just?

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Do your job rather than moaning.
It sounds like they need

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support.
It's like that's my point.

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The only thing I went into
teaching to do was to help kids

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and I want to support them all
but the the needs are growing.

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I wasn't just saying the SCM
register is growing, I was

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saying the literal needs in my
class are growing.

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Anyway, we had a comment from a
parent whose children we taught

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in the past.
And it was so, it was so nice,

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genuinely to read because it was
to say, yeah, this is a huge

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problem.
But can I just say my children

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were in your class and your
class as well?

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And she said you were amazing.
And I never felt like their

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needs were better met.
And I was like, thank you.

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Because when we highlight
problems, I wanted to make this

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really clear for people.
When I'm when we're in front of

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the children, do you think we
stand in front of the children

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and say bloody these needs are
outrageous?

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Are you insane?
Wait, wait 16, sit down.

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I can't meet your needs today.
Your number is based on how many

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needs you.
No, of course not.

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All we care about is teachers is
helping every single child in

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front of us.
And it's just frustrating when

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we feel like there's no support
in place.

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Well, there is support.
There's not enough support for

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the growing need.
It's outstripping.

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So hearing that parents say
that, it was almost vindicated.

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I felt it was really lovely in
all honesty.

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It is nice being complimented
because actually you don't get

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complimented much as a teacher.
But I'm not even going to

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pretend that's just a teacher
thing.

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In life we highlight negative
things and we don't tend to give

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people good feedback.
That's why I left that kebab

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place 2 reviews because it's
like, you know what?

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People don't do this right?
People just imagine, imagine in

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the kebab podcast where they're
like, we make such good kebabs

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and people never, ever, ever
just give us any comment.

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They read out my comments.
On their podcast.

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It's really nice.
We had someone called Hayden

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left us 2 reviews all about the
chilli sauce.

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So we improved our chilli sauce,
but you don't know, you don't

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often get, you get, and
sometimes I don't often get

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parents come up to me and be
like, oh, thank you.

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My kid had a really good like
week this.

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And again, I'm not bashing
Parent.

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We're not bashing.
Parents.

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No, no, not at all, because I'm
just saying it's nice.

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It was just, it was just really
nice to see that comment.

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It made me feel really good
because actually, you know,

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obviously I know that the parent
is.

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I can think of the children.
It's like, yeah, no, do you know

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what?
I did put a lot of time into

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those children.
I had a really nice relationship

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with their children.
And you do it all again.

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I do it all again and I'm so
glad that like, it worked and it

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was a positive impact and the
parents saw that it was

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positive.
That made me feel so good that I

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was doing my job properly.
Instead of some random person on

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the Internet getting offended
from someone else's behalf when

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they're not even annoyed saying
alcohol.

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Imagine being a kid in your
class.

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Yeah, imagine it'd be great.
Yeah, it'd be fantastic.

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And here's here's the proof,
because the kids in my class

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enjoy being in school.
But anyway, yeah, now we've had

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a bit of a general affection.
Was there anything, anything

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from your week you wanted to
talk about?

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Again, like I think this is what
stemmed my thought here because

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I thought, well, it's just
another normal week.

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And when you have a normal in
inverted commas week, it usually

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means things are quite well
oiled and going quite well.

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And that's what it made me think
of.

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There's one thing that I've just
at this point of the year always

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realised as well is that no
matter what kind of outlook you

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have at the start of every year
that you're going to smash it

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this year with your seating
plan.

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I'm going to get it right this
year.

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No, it never happens.
You can never, ever, ever get a

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seat right, whether that's how
you set up the tables or who you

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move, No matter what you do, you
can sit there and and spend an

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hour coming up with the best
seating plan ever.

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I think this is really going to
work.

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And then you tell them where to
sit and immediately you're like,

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that's not going to work.
You just see it.

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You see, maybe two people are
much closer than you thought.

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Yeah.
Because on paper you're like,

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well they're not next to this
person physically.

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Then you realise that in real
life, in space, the chairs

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backing onto each other is even
worse than them being on the

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same table.
Yeah, because then they turn.

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Around and they're just right
there.

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So what I want to know because I
feel like everyone, everyone,

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every teacher has developed
their own way of doing seating

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plans, right.
Like, I personally change.

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I change my every term.
Yeah.

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And I tell all the kids at the
start of the year, you have a

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seating plan.
I'll change every term.

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I'll always change it to be what
I think is best for your

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learning, optimal for your
learning.

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I'm never doing it on purpose
sitting next to your mates.

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So get over that straight away.
Yeah.

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And I and I do and I literally
just do that.

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I stick to that.
I change it once per term.

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Like what do you do?
I do the same thing in terms of

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it's a baseline.
The kids know it changes every

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term to the point where we get
to the last week of term.

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And I'll say are we changing
seats to yeah or be the first

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week in term And I'll say are we
changing seats like whenever we.

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Happen and obviously you would
have forgotten.

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Yeah, of course.
Yeah, of course.

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We I've got the plan.
I'm just going to go and check

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it.
I need to write.

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But yeah, we did it as a base
every time.

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But I say to the kids, I say
something slightly different in

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terms of I just simply say to
them, we will change seats every

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time, but I reserve the right to
change your seat to any point

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individually.
So I say to them, look, this is

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where we sit now and I don't
want anyone to complain about it

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initially.
And I don't want you to.

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You might have a preference.
But again, we need to learn

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sometimes.
I say this to the kids, we need

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to learn sometimes that our
preference isn't always what we

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get.
So we're going to sit here

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because I've, I've chosen this
for that reason.

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And it doesn't always stop that
people still come up and say,

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Oh, can I just sit there?
And I'm like, no, because that's

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not really a reason.
So but then always, and I say, I

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reserve the right to move you
because I will do this seating

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plan and I will immediately be
like, I need to move.

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So I'll be like, OK, I'm going
to be a few people and I don't

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know about you.
I don't know if any other

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teachers do this.
Sometimes there's just one pair

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I want to swap, right?
Just one pair that really stand

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out.
And I'm just like, I need to do

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this, but I really don't want to
single out that pair and be

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like, was that everyone stop you
2 you 2, you swap please.

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So what I do instead is I'm
like, before I do that, I'll

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decide on three other pairs that
will also swap.

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Yeah, not because they're bad.
And I'll say guys, just to doing

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a few swaps here.
Don't don't read anything into

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this, but I need to just swap
you around a bit.

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So yeah, you sort of you, you
sort of you.

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And very obviously this pair
have no problems at all.

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You swap as well.
So the the the group don't then

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think, oh, it's that person
because of that.

451
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,760
So no, I want to do this.
Even though they blatantly will.

452
00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,280
They wouldn't know that way, I
don't think.

453
00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,080
It was so funny in my head.
I'm just like, oh, I, you know,

454
00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,680
I don't actually want to single
any children out.

455
00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:01,920
Yeah.
Of course, of course.

456
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,960
The great debate here really
years rows or tables, we've had

457
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,160
this.
Before, haven't we, we did this

458
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,880
or that.
I I genuinely change throughout

459
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,760
the year.
Yeah, same.

460
00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:12,920
Everything.
So I'll have sometimes all

461
00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,640
groups.
Yeah, I will have sometimes all

462
00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,800
rows.
And most of the year I have some

463
00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,720
rows and some groups.
Yeah.

464
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,680
Can I take something funny that
for two weeks ago, so we we were

465
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,440
we've been rows all year.
This year it's just been been

466
00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,319
working like with a sort of a
column down the middle where I

467
00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:28,119
can walk down and literally just
two sets of two tables and four.

468
00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,400
Rows 1234 sit there in a row.
Yeah, 345.

469
00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,000
Your name is based on the number
in which you sat on.

470
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,520
Please check under your chair
for your number.

471
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,000
It's in numerical order from the
left to right, back to the front

472
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,800
to back to the room.
Anyway, I'm Mr 74.

473
00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,480
Yeah, Mr 74.
Next year I'll be Mr 75.

474
00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,160
You can work out how that number
goes up.

475
00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,240
And so we've been rows all year
and I had to move it around.

476
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,480
We were doing cooking.
So we're.

477
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,560
There's another whole
conversation.

478
00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,760
I'm not going.
To go with it, right Cook in

479
00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,200
rows.
Oh my God.

480
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,000
Can't cook in rows, lads.
And so we put it into table of

481
00:17:58,120 --> 00:17:59,680
like just a little table groups
of four.

482
00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,880
And I was like, OK, that's cool.
And at the end of the day, I was

483
00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,280
like, that was kind of cool.
Like that's mix it up a little

484
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,480
bit.
I'm going to leave it as tables.

485
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,800
I said, kids, you know what
they're like, whoa, leave it,

486
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,680
stay, stay there, stay there.
Let's try tables.

487
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,760
Put your resources in the
middle.

488
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,480
Let's just be tables.
And that was on a like a on a

489
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,160
Tuesday.
Tried it the next day.

490
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,600
I was like, yeah, OK, give it a
go.

491
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,920
And then obviously we're, we're
part time, have a job share,

492
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,080
right?
Job share came in.

493
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,080
I came back in on a Monday
morning the next week, all back

494
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,800
to rose again and necessary like
that did not work whatsoever.

495
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,000
I've I've put it back.
Well, they're facing each other.

496
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,920
She was like, I was setting them
up.

497
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,080
No, no, no, no.
I was like, yeah, fair enough.

498
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,600
I had a child in my class who is
a sibling of a child I

499
00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,600
previously taught.
Yeah.

500
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,440
And when they found out they
were going to be in my

501
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,760
classroom, obviously they spoke
to their sibling just to get

502
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,360
some details about what was
going on, right?

503
00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:47,440
Took a couple of things I
mentioned.

504
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,200
One was that this classroom has
a ghost because the the door

505
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,720
always opens itself, right?
So my joke is always when the

506
00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,640
door opens itself, I go come in
and they're like, what?

507
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,920
It's just a ghost of four P
terrifying.

508
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,400
No, they it's fine.
Yeah, if they're scared, I'm

509
00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,080
like, yeah, well, just keep.
It's just it's just.

510
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:10,440
But yeah, so that's the joke.
And like, what is that?

511
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,880
I'm like, yeah, yeah, look.
And then sometimes it closes

512
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,000
itself just where the wind comes
in and they can't believe it.

513
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,960
It's like the best thing ever.
And then there's like a free

514
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,840
chair and I'm like, right, just
go and sit over there just.

515
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,120
Pretend to go.
So much commitment.

516
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,640
And so that was like a whole
running joke and I loved the

517
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,680
fact that sibling then told
their younger sibling father,

518
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,000
there's a ghost.
That's the most important thing

519
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,600
about.
You yeah.

520
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,760
And the other thing they told
that child was their sibling was

521
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,320
that Mister Price always changes
the seats and the and the tables

522
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,760
because my my job chair again
does this to me.

523
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,840
She'll message me being like,
oh, we're going back to Rose,

524
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,640
are we?
Yeah, yeah, it looks that way.

525
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,800
You've changed it.
Because I was honestly, it'll be

526
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,200
like between maths and English
and I don't know about anyone

527
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,160
else.
I just get to the point where

528
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,120
like I need to change this now.
I need to change this right now,

529
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:49,800
the right this very second.
I need to change this.

530
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,720
So it'll be break time and the
kids will come and be like,

531
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,720
where's my tray?
And I'll be like, don't I find

532
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,040
it a?
Classic Type B teacher coming

533
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,560
through right here.
Last minute changing.

534
00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,880
Being exposed on the spot, yeah,
but it's all.

535
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,520
Because of something that
happened.

536
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,600
I'm just reacting, actually.
Teacher standard 4 adaptive

537
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,760
teaching.
I think you're adapting in the

538
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,600
on the moment, yeah.
Absolutely.

539
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,320
Well, we've got a lot of
questions.

540
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,680
We've have got a lot of amazing
questions.

541
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,440
I can't wait to sink our teeth
into this.

542
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,600
Can I explain to the to the
listeners and viewers what we've

543
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:18,680
done here because we've
prepared.

544
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,560
Something.
Yeah, we are looking at

545
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,040
something.
It's almost like a game of guess

546
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,840
who in front of us.
You know, you have something

547
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,680
flipped over.
But what we've done is we've

548
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,880
printed off all of the questions
that we were given on Instagram.

549
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,880
We've put them in a pile in
front of us, spread out, face

550
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,640
down, and we're going to pick
random questions.

551
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,000
We'll be able to get through
them all.

552
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,320
But we have seen every question
we put in front of us, and

553
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,760
they're all worth answering.
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,520
So we're going to do as many as
we can and we're going to get

555
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,800
ourselves into some really
interesting conversations.

556
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,760
Yeah, brilliant.
Let's do it.

557
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,080
Right, Hayden, crack on.
You're going to pick the first

558
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:49,960
one.
OK, let's go.

559
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,000
OK, here we go.
This one is from Felicity, who

560
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,880
has said what's your view on
striking?

561
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,320
It's not.
I'm laughing because it's our

562
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,560
first episode.
It's not an easy choice to lose

563
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,720
pay, especially on a naughty .6
contract.

564
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,200
Yeah.
OK, well, OK.

565
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,120
Let me be civil of my answers
here.

566
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,960
To start with, the point of
striking is it makes a huge

567
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,280
point.
It's a big personal sacrifice.

568
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,720
I understand that.
We, we literally went on strike.

569
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,520
We struck.
We strucked.

570
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,000
We were struck.
Us, wasn't it?

571
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,280
We struck us.
And we lost a lot of money

572
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,880
because of it.
And it made a point.

573
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,440
Did we get more of a pay rise
because of that strike?

574
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,760
Potentially, Yeah, probably.
We probably got a few percentage

575
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,640
points more.
Was that the same amount of

576
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,760
money that we lost eventually
maybe that'll make be made-up,

577
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,640
you know, like it's, it's for
lots of reasons.

578
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,480
I think it's a really tricky
decision to make personally,

579
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,600
especially like this person says
they're on a nought .6 contract.

580
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,360
They're already earning less
because they're on a part time

581
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:51,480
contract.
So although the hit would be

582
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,920
less money, yeah, they've
already got less money in

583
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,240
general.
So I can see what what they're

584
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,040
saying there.
I I would implore anyone if

585
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,360
they're part of a union and the
union vote to go into strike

586
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,640
that by being part of that
union.

587
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,880
You should go along with that
decision because you made the

588
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,400
active choice to be in the
union.

589
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,400
And even if you're on the no
side, I do think that there

590
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,560
should be some common ground
there where you say, OK, look,

591
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,160
I, I wasn't, I didn't vote for
this, but I'm part of this

592
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,480
union.
We've decided to do that.

593
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,280
Fine, let's go for it.
It's a tricky 1.

594
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,200
Striking is never not a
sacrifice, is it?

595
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,280
It's never not a sacrifice even
on behalf of others.

596
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,560
Because a lot of lot of
criticisms are oh, you.

597
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,400
Only the kids are missing out.
Yeah, they are missing out and

598
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,240
that is the point.
OK, Yeah, that is that is

599
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,240
honestly what a strike is.
I think you just have to be, you

600
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,560
just have to believe in it.
All I will say is in terms of

601
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,480
like trying to convince someone
to strike, because I am quite

602
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,880
passionate about it is I've said
it a million times in this

603
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,520
podcast, without collective
action, nothing happens.

604
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,440
And teaching is like one of the
worst examples of where without

605
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,680
a bit of collective action,
nothing happens and we need it

606
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,880
more than ever.
Like this job is ruined in so

607
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,320
many aspects.
OK, Can I, can I go deeper and

608
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,720
hear that?
Because I've got a real issue

609
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,560
with this.
I've got a real issue with the

610
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,080
whole striking culture and stuff
because we're we're on the side

611
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,320
of the fence where we should
strike if we get to that point.

612
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,400
Yeah.
But my my point here is that

613
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,680
striking is should be the end of
the process of trying to make

614
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,840
change.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it should be.

615
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,480
Right at the end it should be.
I've exhausted every single

616
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,200
option.
I've got nothing left.

617
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,520
I know the children are going to
miss out and I hate that for

618
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,960
every reason.
I've just explained how much I

619
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,280
love working with these kids.
I hate the idea of them not

620
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,680
being in school.
But this is the last possible

621
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,640
option I can go for to make a
change that I think will benefit

622
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,960
both me and the children and
society as a whole.

623
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:27,240
So what really, really, really
irks me about this whole

624
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,320
striking thing that if I rewind
back and think about all of the

625
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,480
people who I know who went on
strike, those are the same

626
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,760
people now, some of them who
refuse to do anything that I

627
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,960
feel like should come before
striking to try and help the.

628
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,560
Profession.
Yeah, OK.

629
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,240
So.
So what I'm saying here is

630
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,000
there's so much we should try
and do as profession before

631
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,720
striking that they're not even
doing.

632
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,520
But as soon as you hear, well,
lots of my colleagues are going

633
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,520
to go on strike, I guess I'll
jump on that bandwagon and say,

634
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,720
yes, I'm striking, aren't I
doing my thing and lose your

635
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,720
£200.
Yeah.

636
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,080
Do you know what you should do
though, every single day of the

637
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,720
week is call it out when you're
asked to do unreasonable hours

638
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,160
is to call it out when you're
asked when, when, when some kind

639
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,160
of policy has been changed and
that impacts everyone's

640
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,720
workload.
You can call that out and have

641
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,000
collective action together
within your school as a whole

642
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,600
school community against that
without all going on strike.

643
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,080
But there's this weird mindset
that people think they can just

644
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,120
skip all of that, the awkward
day-to-day stuff when it's not

645
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,840
nice to turn around and say no
to someone.

646
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,400
It's not a nice thing to do, but
to skip then to striking and

647
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,880
then after the strikes have
happened, revert way back to 0.

648
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,720
So OK, well, I went on strike,
we got our 6%.

649
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,360
I guess it's back to normal now
because what's really, truly

650
00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,840
changed in the school since that
strike, We got a bit of extra

651
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240
money in our pay packet.
Maybe we got a bit more funding

652
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,600
and then we would have got for
the school.

653
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,520
Yeah, but the one of the massive
reasons for striking was about

654
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,800
workload and and conditions for
both teachers and also children.

655
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,600
And it's like, yeah, I agree.
I think I've I've seen a lot of

656
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:52,680
people.
I'd like to know how many

657
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,440
schools, if you work in a
school, do you feel like the

658
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,400
ethos, the culture, the work
life balance, the workload

659
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,840
policy, do you feel like these
things changed, adapted because

660
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,040
of striking?
Or do you feel like it's

661
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,520
literally exactly the same and
all the people that went on

662
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,400
strike are just doing the exact
same things as before?

663
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,120
They're not, you know, not
standing up themselves about

664
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,280
these things that we went on
strike for.

665
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,880
I mean, that's kind of what
you're trying to say, isn't?

666
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:14,880
It.
Yeah, completely.

667
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,440
Strange.
We went straight to the extreme.

668
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,080
Yeah, people.
And they're not prepared to put

669
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,760
in the the stuff that comes
before it because.

670
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,240
For me, genuinely, I, I really,
I never ever want to go on

671
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,760
strike.
I don't.

672
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,640
I don't want to do that.
I don't want to.

673
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,200
And it was the last straw.
But when someone's not taking

674
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,360
out the other straws first,
yeah, it's not the last straw,

675
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:31,640
is it?
Do you think there's a situation

676
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,080
where if people did the
collective action in schools,

677
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,000
the smaller awkward day-to-day
things, we would actually just

678
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,800
get to the point where we never
would even need to go on strike

679
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,200
completely?
It's like you could fix all the

680
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200
things before we get to
striking.

681
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,200
If everyone was just like, no,
these are my hours, I've already

682
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,280
done 2 hours extra every single
day.

683
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,160
The teaching standards say I
might have to go above and

684
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,840
beyond out of the hours to do
the job.

685
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,840
I've done that.
So no, I'm not going to do this

686
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,800
extra thing that you've randomly
just decided it's good now that

687
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,680
will change in two years when
you realise it's not very good

688
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,960
because we've done that on a
cycle 15 years in a row.

689
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,880
We've changed it, changed it,
changed it, changed it and every

690
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,080
single time the outcomes haven't
changed.

691
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,480
But the next thing is always the
golden thing.

692
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,520
So no, actually, I'm not going
to do that, sorry.

693
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,080
And everyone else is also saying
that.

694
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,640
So look, funny enough, we've got
a whole school of staff who all,

695
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,440
you know, got a backbone now.
And we're saying, Oh no, we're

696
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,600
not going to do this thing
because it's affecting our lives

697
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,200
and and therefore we don't need
to go on strike.

698
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,320
And you know what the most, most
frustrating thing is about being

699
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,680
a teacher and maybe this kind of
perception from the outside of

700
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,680
people hear that and they'll go
bad teacher, bad teacher.

701
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,960
You're not changing it for your
new year group.

702
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,680
You're not doing this.
They're like bad teacher.

703
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,080
It's a vocation.
You've got to work hard.

704
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,880
And there are other teachers who
say that and they're who I'm

705
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,400
saying a martyrs.
By the way, when we talk about

706
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,360
Martins, those people are like,
no, no, no, no, we got to do

707
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:37,240
this.
No, we don't.

708
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,120
It's simply we simply don't.
And teachers will always do

709
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,680
extra.
We will always do more.

710
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,320
And it's part of our contract.
And I've never, ever, ever said,

711
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,640
I actually completely disagree
when people say we should only

712
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,920
do directed time.
Yeah, because I can point to the

713
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,280
contract and say, no, we
shouldn't.

714
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,240
We've all signed this contract.
We can disagree with this and

715
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,200
think it should change and that
it's vague, but it very clearly

716
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,720
says we have to do directed time
and we have to do some

717
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,840
additional hours.
So I'm very much have a

718
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,480
conversation with anyone about
why I think that additional

719
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,120
hours should be less maybe than
what some people think.

720
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,680
But when someone says just a
directed time, I also say to

721
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,880
them, no.
So just to direct to time.

722
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,160
No, that's not that's wrong.
That's not part of the contract.

723
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,680
Work an extra 15 hours a week
and always do your weekend

724
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,920
stuff.
No, because also I can justify

725
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,280
that not being part of my
contract.

726
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,680
I'm not just being lazy teacher.
I'm saying, can we just be

727
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,600
grown-ups about this?
Because we got to the point

728
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,600
where as profession hundreds of
thousands of us went on strike,

729
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,480
but we cannot get hundreds of
thousands of us to actually just

730
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,880
grow a backbone every single
day.

731
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,240
And it sounds horrible when I
say grow a backbone, but I'm

732
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,560
using this emotive language
because it is something we just

733
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,160
have to do because there are, it
is not easy.

734
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,040
And the, the way it's made
easier is by doing it

735
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920
collectively.
If one person is going to stand

736
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,360
up, that is tough.
And I'll really, I'll really

737
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,640
have sympathy with that person.
And I'll say to him that that's

738
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,080
really tough.
You're, you're holding your head

739
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,840
about the parapet here when
there's twenty teachers going

740
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,360
along with something that is
maybe kind of pointless and

741
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,280
increasing workload that that
takes courage and that's tough.

742
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,800
And if you don't do that, I
don't blame you.

743
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,640
But if as a collective, we're
not willing to have this chat

744
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,720
and discussion, then I think
that's when we can be more harsh

745
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,840
and say, look, no, we've got to.
There is a point where 95% of

746
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080
what we talk about has always
been about how external factors

747
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,160
are really working against us.
And it will always be 95%

748
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,840
because that's where the biggest
problems are.

749
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,440
But to then ignore teachers
themselves and say they're

750
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,440
never, ever an issue, that's
also wrong because sometimes

751
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,760
we're our own worst enemy.
And in this situation, that's

752
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,880
what we can.
Do that's where we can be

753
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,800
critical about striking going
full circle.

754
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,480
They're like kind of what you
just said, summarise.

755
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,360
That's when we can be critical
about striking and say, yeah,

756
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,280
there probably was no point in
going on strike because you

757
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,800
weren't prepared to do any of
the other things.

758
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,560
And without the other things, it
was literally pointless.

759
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160
And honestly, from my
perspective, it kind of almost

760
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,600
was pointless striking,
honestly, because because people

761
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
didn't follow through with,
yeah, we're striking about this

762
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,920
because we're sick of workload.
And then there's the day after

763
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,440
the strikes were over.
They were like, I'll do all this

764
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,440
work though, I'll do it all.
Sorry.

765
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Didn't we not just, it was like
I was looking around, oh, didn't

766
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,200
we all just strike about this?
Aren't we all going to take

767
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,400
collective action?
Yeah, we did.

768
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,320
We struck.
We struck.

769
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
We struck us.
Yeah, I know we I know we don't

770
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,320
want to strike.
But we're talking about like

771
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,480
systemic change that systemic
change things.

772
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,240
We need to change it.
Like it's going to take years.

773
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Yeah.
Yeah.

774
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,720
But we went on strike, you know,
I know we went on strike.

775
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560
So are we now going to do the
thing we were striking about?

776
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Because they've they've they've
agreed like, yeah, we need to

777
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,080
change workload.
They wrote, the government wrote

778
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,400
a new workload policy.
They agree with us now because

779
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,920
we went on strike.
So should we do it?

780
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,080
No, it's not reasonable.
I don't want to be.

781
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,720
I don't want to be going against
the grain.

782
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,920
But the government have just
said we should and.

783
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Agree, but there's nothing more
going against the grain than not

784
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,000
coming into work.
We went on strike.

785
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,680
That's against the I don't know.
I don't think it's fair to my

786
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,960
team if I don't make that
worksheet.

787
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,280
But what do you whole team do
you mean?

788
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,880
What if it's your whole team?
What if it's your whole team not

789
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,080
doing it?
That's the point.

790
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,120
So yeah, I mean, that's where I
get exhausted.

791
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,200
Do you know what makes me a bit
sad?

792
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,000
And the last point on this
because we get too passionate

793
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,160
striking is is I know.
And this is where this is where

794
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,680
I feel a bit like maybe just
like a personal level, right?

795
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,240
I know that there are teachers
that we know that we work with

796
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,840
in schools we work in now, maybe
previous schools that would

797
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,640
genuinely think that me and you
are bad teachers because we

798
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,200
stick up for ourselves and sort
of stuff.

799
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Yeah, despite kids loving being
in our class, maybe making good

800
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,520
progress.
Like we know our subject

801
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,440
knowledge, we love teaching.
We give everything to this job,

802
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,400
right?
Despite doing all those things,

803
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,240
which on all the metrics that we
actually care about, we do

804
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,800
really well on, people will
still look at us and be like,

805
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,280
Nah, bad teacher.
Do you know why they're a bad

806
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,960
teacher?
They didn't change our display.

807
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,520
The new policy says we've got to
do it every time.

808
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,080
OK, Don't care.
It doesn't it because it doesn't

809
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,520
change how good I am as a
teacher.

810
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,440
Did you make a worksheet though?
No, no, I'm just going to get

811
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,040
the kids just to work straight
in their book because we're

812
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,040
trying to save, pay for money,
time, every single thing you

813
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,760
could possibly save without
having any impact online.

814
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,240
But we just decided we've
changed all that.

815
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,120
It's just not, I don't know
people think I, I know it.

816
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,200
People will think that that we
know will think we're rubbish

817
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,640
teachers worse than them because
of that.

818
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Yeah.
Yeah.

819
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280
Despite being good.
Teachers.

820
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Yeah.
And at some point, you've got to

821
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,760
defend yourself.
It just makes me sad.

822
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,600
It just makes sad because I'm
like, I feel like I'm fighting

823
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,440
for those people and they and
they just want to throw them

824
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:46,960
under the bus.
It's.

825
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,920
True.
You're absolutely right.

826
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,040
Yeah.
And that's where I get

827
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,240
exasperated because I'm like, I,
I, I every single thing I've

828
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,440
ever done, Joey sat here for
hundreds of hours literally

829
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560
recording stuff.
Every single thing we've ever

830
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,960
done is to try and is to try and
highlight a problem and improve

831
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960
it.
And, and there are just people

832
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,120
out there.
Just go suck it up.

833
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,440
What you on about?
You're rubbish.

834
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,160
No, I'm not.
I'm actually really good

835
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,120
teacher.
And and I think more teachers

836
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,000
out there should be say that by
themselves.

837
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,760
You're really good teacher,
you're really good.

838
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,960
And you're not defined by how
much work you do at the weekend

839
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,440
taking hours away from my son.
Yeah, I'm not defined as a

840
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,880
teacher by that.
And get get in the bin.

841
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,640
If you think that's a problem,
you're the problem.

842
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,640
The easiest way to do it good
little thought experiment,

843
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,040
right?
It's just imagine to yourself

844
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,680
because you know that teaching
is completely unregulated.

845
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Every school is so different,
vastly different.

846
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,200
There's schools out there that
don't have that policy that you

847
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,920
don't like doing, by the way,
They don't even have it in their

848
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,280
school, and they're good
teachers as well.

849
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,680
So you're not defined by the
policies that you're school

850
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,840
makes up, particularly when
they're just random policies

851
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,640
that other schools aren't even
doing anyway, right?

852
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,000
So I wonder what your views on
striking are?

853
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,320
So yeah, the greatest.
Question correctly that got us

854
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,400
going didn't.
It right, Am I going to pick

855
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,400
one?
Yeah, go on then, let's do it.

856
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Tips for trainees on managing
assignments and workload at

857
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,160
placements.
Oh, that's a good question,

858
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,280
because specifically trainees
because a bit of bit of context

859
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,280
then, Hayden, before you answer
this, as a trainee, when I was

860
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,960
doing my PGC etcetera, you were
in placement full time.

861
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,280
Yeah.
And then you at the end of the

862
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,200
term it would be like, oh,
you've got a 4000 word essay to

863
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,640
do Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So any tips for people trying to

864
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,400
manage that?
And you're thinking, I haven't

865
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,600
thought about it for a long
time.

866
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,680
This is like really pulling me
back.

867
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
That was a rough year.
Like we did the PGCE, so a

868
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840
little bit different to the BA,
the three-year, I can't speak

869
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,240
for the BA three years because I
just don't know.

870
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,680
I imagine it's similar though,
with like having lots of

871
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,680
placement work to do and essays
and things.

872
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,600
But in our year PGCE I, I don't
think I could do it now, But if

873
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040
I actually think about it, it
was the worst year of workload

874
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,640
of my whole career of workload.
But yeah, like, because it was

875
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,880
literally you're on play, you're
the newest ever.

876
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,480
So like you're everything takes
you longer because it's all

877
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,760
brand new.
Your processing so much more

878
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,200
like learning to drive a car.
It's like you're really thinking

879
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,680
about the fact that you've got
to move the gear stick.

880
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,160
You're really thinking about the
fact that you've got to push the

881
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,960
brake.
I remember.

882
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,280
You don't think about these
things, do you?

883
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,080
I remember being in PGCE and
the, the person I was training

884
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,800
with, we, we've worked with for
a long time.

885
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,480
We know her really well.
She works for us now with our

886
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,120
tutoring and stuff.
And I remember being asked to do

887
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,480
some trimming, right.
Just trimmed some paper, right.

888
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Took me about 10 minutes to trim
one set of work sheets.

889
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,920
I was doing it so slowly, lining
up perfectly, doing it really

890
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,160
slowly.
Oh, not quite working there

891
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,640
takes me 10 seconds.
Yeah, yeah.

892
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,760
That's just an example of what
you're.

893
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,280
Saying I remember caring, really
caring in my first year of

894
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,640
teaching about when I trimmed
it, that it went exactly to the

895
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,120
line.
You know, like you put a block

896
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,040
box around something that there
was no sort of white after the

897
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,640
line.
And I remember some teachers

898
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,960
wouldn't do that.
It was always the older teachers

899
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,920
in all honesty, that they just,
if there was a couple of

900
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,440
millimetres of white around the
box that I'd made for the thing,

901
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,240
I'd be like, Oh my God, that's
so what's wrong with these guys?

902
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
And now I almost never I just go
trim it because it literally

903
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,400
doesn't.
Matter.

904
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,360
So in terms of workload, you
thought it was really tough

905
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,400
because I, I'm reflecting on my
PGC.

906
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,600
My PGC was genuinely one of my
favourite years ever in terms of

907
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,120
yeah, the workload was intense,
but I was younger, I had time to

908
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,120
do it, Yeah.
And it was like had less of an

909
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,800
impact, that amount of workload
on my life than what it would

910
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,920
have now as a family, you know,
a young family.

911
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,520
But I agree with what you're
saying in terms of it was very

912
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,120
tricky to get all the work done.
But I loved it because I loved,

913
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,080
I loved the buzz of teaching and
learning something new, of

914
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,520
course.
So.

915
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,880
But tips though, on what's your
tips on management?

916
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,239
A few a few little things really
is like don't take your time for

917
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,520
granted.
So as a trainee, you do get lots

918
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,159
of time built in to do like
reflective tasks.

919
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,639
I remember I'd I'd always just
be like free time to me.

920
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:18,760
Maybe I'm going to have extra
lunch.

921
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,760
Like you'd get built in time for
reflective time built in time to

922
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,239
go and have like time to talk to
certain people around the all

923
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,000
over.
Honestly, use it, use it really

924
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,199
wisely.
Use it.

925
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,360
And sometimes I even got built
in time to like do part of my

926
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,440
essays.
If I had to do research at

927
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,000
school, I had research block
built in.

928
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,760
So like go and do the reason and
I never I used maybe half of it.

929
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,880
Other times I mess around or be
like, oh, but I just want to go

930
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,760
into I want to go and play
football on the field with the

931
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,920
kids and try and make a bond
with them.

932
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,840
Lovely, lovely.
But then at night time I was

933
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,960
having to write that essay.
But I think you could just use.

934
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,360
You can definitely use the time
that you're given quite wisely.

935
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,800
Still do all that stuff you're
saying?

936
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:53,679
Yeah.
Well, when it comes to

937
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,000
assignments, right, there's a
build up.

938
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,400
It's not the whole way through
that you got to get this

939
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,040
assignment done.
So you know, towards the end

940
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,320
towards when that assignment
needs doing, you're absolutely

941
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,760
right just building that time
because at the end of the day,

942
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,160
as a PGC student, you're
spending a lot of time in the

943
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,920
classroom for a couple of weeks.
Does it matter if you're on 70%

944
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,920
to 80%?
Like it's a matter of one block

945
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,200
comes out because you need to do
some research or some some essay

946
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,000
writing time.
You do tend to get some time

947
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000
built in.
I think you're right.

948
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,080
But I also think there there is
a part of me that says, do you

949
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,480
know what the the best tips I
think for managing it are

950
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,560
spreading out in terms of time
over the weeks because I'm the

951
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,920
worst for leaving something to
the last minute.

952
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,640
That's just how my brain worked.
But if you're able to do that,

953
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,880
spread it out a bit more because
this isn't very helpful.

954
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,680
Maybe what I'm about to say, but
it's just the truth is that it's

955
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,680
an intense year.
There's no getting around it.

956
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,560
There's no tip that will make it
not intense.

957
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,120
So if you can grasp any time you
can and be as efficient as

958
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,120
possible with your time.
I was completely inefficient

959
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,320
with my time as a 21.
Year old.

960
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,440
Completely inefficient.
Whereas I feel like now at this

961
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,960
point in my life, I'm forced to
be as efficient as possible.

962
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,080
I, I, I make stuff take as
little time as it possibly can

963
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,440
because I don't, not because I'm
getting time off.

964
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,400
Because I need to go to my
second job, which is raising my

965
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,000
son.
I need to go to my son, the

966
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,280
third job, which is looking
after me, you know, when I got

967
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,720
my 4th job, which is making sure
you're OK.

968
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,320
But yeah, I don't know in terms
of tips.

969
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,840
Yeah, it's a tricky one.
It's just a tough year.

970
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
I mean, even just like this
maybe isn't exactly what you're

971
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,520
after.
But also block out some time for

972
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,720
you.
Yeah, you will be.

973
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:17,840
You will perform better and do
things more efficiently if

974
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,520
you've had a break.
Yeah, honestly, like, it's so

975
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,520
easy to burn out in that year.
I remember I played football.

976
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Every single weekend of my PC
year for a team 11 aside, the

977
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,880
golden that was never taken.
Never ever ever did I do

978
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,600
anything from that.
It just give me that bit.

979
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,080
You are your own person.
I guess the final tip is also

980
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,560
try not, don't get taken
advantage of.

981
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,040
You're you're a new staff.
There are unfortunately some

982
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960
schools that will just take
advantage of trainee teachers.

983
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,080
It's not honestly, it's not
many.

984
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,840
Most schools are fantastic and
teachers are brilliant.

985
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,040
But there are some schools that
when they see a trainee, they're

986
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,240
like we're hey, free labour,
honestly 100% and they will use

987
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,240
it and they'll convince you that
you're doing stuff.

988
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,840
You're doing so well, it's your
professional.

989
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,000
Development that you've been
these 8 displays in my room is

990
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,600
could have done one honestly and
that would have been enough to

991
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,320
me to learn how to.
Do.

992
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,000
But also you're doing so well
teaching.

993
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,600
I know you're supposed to be
doing 30% right now of teaching

994
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,120
and you have.
Why don't you teach 100% of the

995
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,320
time Because you're so good with
teaching Yeah.

996
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,960
Why you're so bloody good yeah.
Because then that means that

997
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,160
this person is off for a couple
of weeks.

998
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,640
We don't get any cover in but
all that, you know, because

999
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,080
you're really good at teaching
already.

1000
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Yeah, no, you're there to learn,
so you're right there to.

1001
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,320
Make sure you talk to your
mentors at university and just

1002
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,080
just clarify exactly what you
should be doing.

1003
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,920
Like you're not offending anyone
by checking in.

1004
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,920
Like realistically, you're gonna
leave that school, you're gonna

1005
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,200
forget about them, they're gonna
forget about you.

1006
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Like you just just do the thing
you're there to do.

1007
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,200
And do it really well.
Do really well, don't get taken

1008
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,400
advantage of.
Like just know what you're

1009
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,400
actually supposed to do.
Right.

1010
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,760
Hey, another one.
I feel like one countdown show

1011
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,680
with their numbers out like one
from the top Carol.

1012
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,520
Yeah, OK.
Oh, should go from the top then.

1013
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,880
Here we go.
OK, we've got a silly one.

1014
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,280
There's a few funny ones in
there, just for clarification.

1015
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,800
So snog marry or snog marry.
Avoid.

1016
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,840
Basically, it sounds horrible.
Leave it there.

1017
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,880
Let that settle in your mind.
See.

1018
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Imagine what's coming next.
It's not people you'll be

1019
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,160
pleased to know.
Kebab, you can close, you can

1020
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:55,960
come out it.
Really.

1021
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,280
Is pasta, bread or rice?
Oh, I'd snog some rice.

1022
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,640
You marrying what you marrying?
No, wait.

1023
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,320
Snog.
Marry.

1024
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,440
Avoid.
What was it?

1025
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Pasta, bread and rice.
OK, get rid.

1026
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,640
Oh, that's how do you get rid of
them?

1027
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,240
Big carbs.
Get rid of rice, Get rid of rice

1028
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,120
because I think most things you
have with rice you can have some

1029
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,720
other.
Supplements.

1030
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:21,600
In yeah, so getting rid of rice
and I've got to either snog past

1031
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,320
the bread.
I've seen you snag bread

1032
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,560
actually in the staff room.
Weird.

1033
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Very weird.
I guess what this means is in

1034
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,720
terms of food, snog is what
would you have as like a best

1035
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,000
meal you could possibly have.
And we're going to say marry is

1036
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,720
you need you can have it
consistently for the rest of

1037
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:36,960
your life.
So I would I would like to have

1038
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,800
bread consistently for the rest
of my life.

1039
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,240
So yeah, just give me some
buttered warm bread and I am

1040
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,160
satiated.
So I reckon I would marry bread.

1041
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,160
I would snog pasta, but it's
delicious, a good, delicious

1042
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,520
pasta dish and rice.
I'm afraid you can get in the

1043
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,440
bin.
Wow, What about you?

1044
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,960
Fair enough.
I think I would get rid of

1045
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,000
bread.
Wow.

1046
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,840
Yeah, right.
You're insane.

1047
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,480
I love it.
But you.

1048
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,560
Are listening.
Listen.

1049
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,560
What do you think?
Your kebab came in?

1050
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,960
That's pita bread.
Hey, no, that doesn't count.

1051
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,800
It does count as bread.
No.

1052
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,960
Oh, mad I get to keep that.
Oh.

1053
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,200
I don't like cheese or bread.
What do you eat?

1054
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,480
Oh.
Sandwiches suck though, don't

1055
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,480
they?
Sandwiches suck.

1056
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,320
What?
Do you eat?

1057
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,560
I suppose I like.
Cream egg doesn't count.

1058
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,400
Cream egg as carbs.
You can't.

1059
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,720
It does.
It's carbs, it's protein,

1060
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,760
protein.
Eggs, a protein.

1061
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,240
I get rid of bread, the word
marry rice, okay, because I

1062
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,560
quite like rice with meal.
A lot of meals have rice like

1063
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,840
rice and pasta.
Hit and miss sometimes.

1064
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,280
Snog.
Give it a quick snog.

1065
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,320
Yeah, nice one.
Yeah nice.

1066
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Thanks.
That tongue action.

1067
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,360
That was disgusting.
Never do that again.

1068
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:36,760
Okay, what's your favourite
pasta?

1069
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,920
But if you silly bit tag your
tail very.

1070
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,320
Pasta.
Yeah, a bit of spank bowl.

1071
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,040
I love this bag mole go on tell
remember, wait very quickly.

1072
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,280
It's the best thing ever.
We went out for an Italian

1073
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,680
restaurant.
Hayden and I took out some of

1074
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,800
our tutors, didn't we?
On our on our tutoring team

1075
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,840
staff night out.
We went to an Italian

1076
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,120
restaurant, really nice Italian
restaurant, but like like a like

1077
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,280
a nice Italian restaurant.
Well, I'm saying this because,

1078
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,960
you know, the, the, the wait
stuff were Italian.

1079
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,520
Like it was very, very
authentic.

1080
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,120
So we're going around and we're
ordering what we wanted and

1081
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,960
we're like, yeah, I'll have this
the king prawn pasta dish,

1082
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:10,520
please.
Yeah.

1083
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,120
Oh, yeah, I'll have a Margarita.
Thank you.

1084
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,320
The the four cheese, whatever
that.

1085
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,840
Oh, yeah.
Lovely.

1086
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,600
And Hayden this whole time is
like sweating, staring at the

1087
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,920
menu because I don't know.
There's nothing here that he

1088
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,640
wants because he's, you just
said he's going to throw away

1089
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,440
bread.
So there's nothing here he

1090
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,920
wants.
So you see, like beads of sweat

1091
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,960
come down and it's all written
in like Italian.

1092
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,400
So do you know when you don't
have to pronounce something

1093
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,160
everyone does that you were
clearly just like?

1094
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,840
I know what to say.
It got round to you and you'd

1095
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,000
clearly like phased out of
actually reading what was on

1096
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,960
there.
And in your head you were just

1097
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,960
like, I can't see what I want,
so I'm just going to ask.

1098
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,920
The most basic.
Dish Ever looked up at the

1099
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,520
waiter?
I went.

1100
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,920
Do you have Spack?
Bowl.

1101
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,400
And he went, he went, sorry, and
rather than me thinking, oh,

1102
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,880
I've just abbreviated this
thing, I said it again.

1103
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,800
I went back back Bowl look to me
and you were laugh at this point

1104
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,320
spaghetti Bolognese.
He's saying spaghetti Bolognese

1105
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,040
that can you have that really
basic dish, please?

1106
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,960
You probably don't even serve at
this Boschettian restaurant

1107
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,960
because it's so below you.
He.

1108
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Was just like, yeah, sure,
because.

1109
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:04,720
Yeah, we'll do something with
that.

1110
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,120
Yeah.
Yeah.

1111
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,640
No cheese though, please.
He was looking at me like, get

1112
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,920
out of my restaurant.
Come with garlic bread.

1113
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Hold the bread.
Yeah.

1114
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,000
Oh, no bread, no cheese, no
spag.

1115
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,080
Thank you.
And the Bolognese?

1116
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,880
Can you just have tomato?
You just want tomato soup.

1117
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,000
Oh, it's embarrassing.
Embarrassing.

1118
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Anyway, thanks for that one.
That was a funny one.

1119
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,960
No problem, right?
Go on and pick another.

1120
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,480
One go pick another one.
Here we go.

1121
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:30,320
How do you feel about schools
where staff well-being is

1122
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,520
literally never thought about at
all or taken seriously?

1123
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,040
I guess we've covered.
This a lot.

1124
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,840
We've covered it a lot.
Yeah, I'll skim over this one a

1125
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,320
bit, but obviously obviously
negatively like I, I think it's,

1126
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,840
I think it's dreadful that
schools don't this to the point

1127
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,800
where if I was running a school,
I think it would be quite

1128
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,640
honestly up there in my top
three priorities at all times.

1129
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,160
Can we just clarify them?
Like maybe we can just turn this

1130
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,240
a bit now because we saw that
slot And I agree with you

1131
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:54,680
completely.
What do you even mean by

1132
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,480
well-being?
Like, because well-being is so

1133
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,280
personal, what is good for
someone's well-being will be

1134
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,040
very different for someone
else's well-being.

1135
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Like genuinely, I know we always
take the mic and say yoga

1136
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,680
classes, are they all for?
For some people that's actually

1137
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,520
a really good thing to offer
them and they would really

1138
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,800
appreciate doing that after.
School I'd much rather often

1139
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,040
though, it's just a work life
balance where they can go and do

1140
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
yoga if they want, right, right.
That's better.

1141
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,600
That's why I joke about yoga
things.

1142
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,480
I'm like, no, no, don't do
forced well-being right?

1143
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Just give the make it so that
they can just go home earlier

1144
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,960
and do yoga if they want, OK for
Christ's sake, and everyone can

1145
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,440
do the thing they like doing.
So your push on well-being is

1146
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,640
very much allowing the people to
decide what their well-being is.

1147
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,200
Yeah, well-being, well-being
schools that don't value

1148
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:37,800
well-being is basically saying
SLT that that do not care about

1149
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,960
that start workload.
That's why that's the way I.

1150
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,640
See it as.
Well-being to me comes from

1151
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,560
work.
Like this is a job that is

1152
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,880
intrinsic with like it's top
down pressure, it's top down

1153
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,960
telling you what you need to
deliver at all costs.

1154
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,600
And that can happen in schools.
So yeah, I don't like schools

1155
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,120
that don't do that.
I think there's a massive

1156
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,840
indicator of a really toxic
school because it means that the

1157
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,560
SL, the leaders probably don't
have empathy.

1158
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
So therefore there's probably
loads of areas of the school

1159
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,800
that they won't remotely care
about when you complain or have

1160
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,280
issues with.
So they're probably not a nice

1161
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,760
place to work.
But yeah, I think it's a huge

1162
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,680
indication take care of a good
school or not whether they treat

1163
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,200
their staff well regarding
well-being to be honest with

1164
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:08,840
you.
Brilliant.

1165
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Yeah, have a question completely
agree.

1166
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:15,280
Let's do this one.
Do you think SLT gets sorry it?

1167
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,320
Doesn't based on what I was
saying.

1168
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,120
Do you think SLT got get a lot
of unfair?

1169
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,880
Oh definitely off podcasts from
people over there.

1170
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
I don't think we should be
saying bad things about SLT.

1171
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,840
No, look, listen, we've we've
actually spoken about this.

1172
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,320
Let's be really clear here.
There are, there are genuinely

1173
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680
some unbelievably and I've
worked, I've worked with them.

1174
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Now some SLT that put in so many
hours of work have the best

1175
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,040
interests of the children at
heart.

1176
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,960
I do think that they get some
unfair criticism in terms of, I

1177
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,320
do think sometimes it can be
interpreted.

1178
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,120
I'm thinking of what we say now
as generic SLT bashing that I

1179
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,720
think that's fair.
I think that's a fair criticism

1180
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,000
of sometimes what we do.
I'd like to think that when we

1181
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,200
do it, we're explaining very
specifically what we mean.

1182
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,120
And the problem with when you
say you're bashing SLT is, well,

1183
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,400
yeah.
Because by definition, they're

1184
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
the people in charge.
So of course when we're talking

1185
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,440
about school wide policies that
affect people, it's going to be

1186
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,000
the leadership team who are
implementing that.

1187
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,560
They're responsible for it.
Yeah, literally.

1188
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,640
So.
So like, of course, yes.

1189
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,960
I mean, I've just did a we just
did a whole thing back then

1190
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,200
about how teachers need to take
some of the blame sometimes and

1191
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,160
step up and do stuff.
Yeah.

1192
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,240
But I do think that is it an
unfair amount of criticism?

1193
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,800
Well, should they get more
criticism than the class teacher

1194
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,200
for these things?
Yeah, yeah, because they are in

1195
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,040
charge.
Of guys that are more

1196
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,560
responsible on double pay to
have that responsibility, I'm

1197
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,840
like, yeah, it does kind of come
with that, though it does come

1198
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,280
with the criticism.
The buck fault lies with them.

1199
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:36,720
Whatever.
Yeah.

1200
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,920
I guess sometimes you think, you
know, you could, you could

1201
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,560
extrapolate this down now to the
classroom.

1202
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,400
Yeah.
And you could have you as the

1203
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,920
class teacher in charge of the
children.

1204
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,240
And, you know, would you say
teachers get a lot of unfair

1205
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:48,920
criticism about the outcomes of
the children?

1206
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,280
Yeah.
And you would probably as a

1207
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,240
teacher, but yeah, of course we
do.

1208
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,120
That's not fair.
Yeah.

1209
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,120
It's just it's the same thing.
We're in charge.

1210
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,280
So I suppose, you know what?
We have that responsibility and

1211
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,640
that criticisms probably should
come our way, but then we can

1212
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,520
maybe explain them.
Yeah, I think it's all about

1213
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,440
transparency and I think what we
talk about when we say SLT

1214
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,960
having problems and criticising
them, it's usually a lack of

1215
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,720
transparency and a lack of
understanding about what the

1216
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,640
implications of what they're
saying and doing are.

1217
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Yeah, and we've mentioned loads
of times that there are

1218
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,520
fantastic SLT out there.
We've actually said it a lot on

1219
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,280
this podcast.
It's just unfortunately when you

1220
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,440
when you go on the Internet and
look at Instagram Reels and

1221
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,520
things like snippets of the
podcast, no one cares about

1222
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,720
those bits.
People don't listen to those

1223
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:23,920
bits or watch those bits on
Reels.

1224
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,320
People will like hearing the the
negative stuff, the bits that

1225
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,840
you can have arguments about.
So that's why I think you, it

1226
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,880
feels like maybe there's a bit
of a bias and talking.

1227
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,560
About and that's in general and
our stuff.

1228
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,480
Yeah, exactly.
Just in literally in general.

1229
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,440
So yeah, there's loads of SLT
out there that are amazing.

1230
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,720
I think there's more of a risk.
We talked about this last last

1231
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,400
episode with with Grenya from
Teacher Tap about the idea that,

1232
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,040
you know, once you've been out
of the class from certain amount

1233
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,320
of time, there is just a huge
pressure on you to like to what

1234
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,240
you just lose touch.
You literally people say all the

1235
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:50,880
time you lose touch.
I think there's a, there's a

1236
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,920
good thing that happens in a lot
of schools.

1237
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,480
A lot of SLT are in the
classroom still.

1238
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,000
I I think there's a, a huge
difference between SLT, they're

1239
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,320
in the classroom, SLT that
aren't in the classroom, There's

1240
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,920
loads of factors to this, But do
they get unfair criticism

1241
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,880
sometimes?
Yeah, sure.

1242
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,520
Yeah, definitely.
Let's have a look at another

1243
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,000
one.
Have you ever had imposter

1244
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,560
syndrome?
If so, how do you overcome it?

1245
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Yeah, all the time.
All the time.

1246
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,160
I feel like, I think most people
do, really.

1247
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,960
Some people, some people are
pretending they don't, which is

1248
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,680
me.
I pretend I don't a lot.

1249
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,800
I fake it till I make it with.
I've done that with a lot of

1250
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,280
things.
And it's very corny advice, but

1251
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,200
I do generally find that if I
just pretend to be confident

1252
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,080
about something, I my confidence
does flourish quite quickly from

1253
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,720
doing that.
But do I have imposter syndrome?

1254
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,360
Absolutely.
Do you have it now still?

1255
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,200
Ten years, yeah, yeah, with so
many things with this podcast, I

1256
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,880
still think this podcast and I'm
like, no, isn't there's there's

1257
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,440
real podcasters doing real
podcasts out there that really

1258
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,520
know how to do a podcast and
then admit it's just we're just

1259
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,480
mates.
No one listens to this like they

1260
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,520
do.
They do and I, but I still feel

1261
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,360
it.
Though look at all these

1262
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,120
questions in front of.
Us, I know it's insane.

1263
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Same.
Same with teaching though,

1264
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,760
because the teaching's so
complex, there are lots of areas

1265
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,840
that I still feel like an
imposter and there are areas I

1266
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,440
feel very confident in, such as
maths.

1267
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,000
Like my maths teaching, I feel
extremely confident that I could

1268
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,280
go and help other teachers teach
maths.

1269
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,840
Well, if you asked me to do the
same way of teaching writing, I

1270
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,840
think I think I'm probably a
much better than I think I am a

1271
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,480
teacher writing now.
But there's still a part of me

1272
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,120
that's like, no, you're not.
Yeah, you have imposter.

1273
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,840
Syndrome because because we'll
talk to people like we have Jane

1274
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,920
Concertine and Heather Wright on
this podcast and I look at that

1275
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,280
and I'm like, Oh my God, they're
they're like levels above me.

1276
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,640
Like so I, I, who am I?
Who am I to pretend that I'm on

1277
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,440
that level of as a teacher?
And actually I can probably

1278
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,520
teach you quite well.
What about you?

1279
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Do you have imposter?
Yeah, I think the the setup of

1280
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,800
the profession kind of lends
itself to every single teacher

1281
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,320
starting off with imposter
syndrome because there's there's

1282
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,200
no bedding in.
It's not like you do your

1283
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,480
training for a year, but then
you have your class.

1284
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,960
That's it, that's it.
I remember that jump being

1285
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,080
insane.
I remember thinking I finished

1286
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,760
my training where you go from
not having the ultimate

1287
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,320
responsibility of the class.
And I remember the heavy burden

1288
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,720
of then thinking these children
are now my responsibility, that

1289
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,200
that jump is insane.
Same.

1290
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,600
So that that imposter syndrome
feel at the start of my career

1291
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,600
was crazy.
But you know, you have to do

1292
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,920
with imposter syndrome in
general.

1293
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,600
You have to remind yourself of
what you've learned, how far

1294
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,640
you've come.
You've qualified as a teacher.

1295
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,360
So that proves that should be
enough to prove to yourself that

1296
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,080
you do have the capabilities of
doing that.

1297
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Positive self talk, reflect on
what you've done.

1298
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,760
Growth mindset, a growth
mindset, understand you've done

1299
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,120
you will do things wrong.
Doesn't mean you're an imposter.

1300
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,680
It means you're going to learn
from your mistakes.

1301
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,440
You will get better over your
career.

1302
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,800
That's that's, that's true.
If I look back now, I am better

1303
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,920
now as a teacher at teaching
than I was when I started off.

1304
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,720
Of course, of course I am and
that's fine.

1305
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:29,400
It doesn't mean back then I was
bad.

1306
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,120
It doesn't mean back then I
shouldn't have been allowed to

1307
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,560
do it.
And I think a really powerful

1308
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,560
thing for tackling impostor
syndrome that's worked for me

1309
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,080
and it's worked for you, is
genuinely putting on that act.

1310
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,360
And I think a lot of teaching is
an act.

1311
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,120
And even when you're scared and
you're worried, like I've spoken

1312
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,720
about before, me being worried
about reading a book to my kids

1313
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:49,520
in my first year because I was
just scared to do it.

1314
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,720
Do you know what?
Pretend you're not worried and

1315
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,000
you will not be worried then
eventually because you've done

1316
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,840
it.
Good example of that for

1317
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,280
everyone I think.
Assembly, going and talking to

1318
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,040
all the kids in assembly,
there's something about that

1319
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,520
that is just like even when even
a year or two into teaching,

1320
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,280
when you're totally confident
with the kids, still someone's

1321
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,960
saying, oh, can you deliver an
assembly or can you go up an

1322
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,920
assembly and read out this
thing?

1323
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,600
It's like, oh, can I, I don't
know about that, but that's

1324
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,840
another one where honestly it's
a short task.

1325
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,960
Probably assembly is quite
short.

1326
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,440
Go up there, do it, fake your
team, make it, do it.

1327
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,320
Pretend to be confident and you
and you'll realise actually

1328
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,800
you're great.
Yeah, absolutely right.

1329
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,160
But yes, we do suffer impostor
syndrome and probably will do

1330
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,560
forever with all the things we
do that are fairly new.

1331
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,960
Yeah, definitely do another one.
I'm gonna get this one here.

1332
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:29,720
What are your view?
It's a quick one.

1333
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,200
What are your views on
attendance awards?

1334
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,240
Don't like them, I think they
reward no.

1335
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,400
I think it's OK to reward
children for coming in lots in

1336
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,080
terms of, I think it's good to
say, isn't it amazing you're in

1337
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:40,880
school?
OK.

1338
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,480
I think that's fine to do.
I think attendance awards, then

1339
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,160
put that up on a pedestal in
front of everyone else.

1340
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,800
And I think it makes children
who aren't in school for reasons

1341
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,560
out of their control feel bad
about that fact.

1342
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,320
Yeah.
And I hate that completely.

1343
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,000
It's like I said earlier, when I
want to swap a seating plan, but

1344
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,760
I don't want to single anyone
out in front of the whole class,

1345
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,440
so I'll do a few moves.
It's the same thing.

1346
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,920
I don't want to single someone
out if a child has had to go to

1347
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040
a hospital appointment or had an
operation and been off for a

1348
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,120
week and then we do an
attendance award and we get all

1349
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,120
everyone to stand up who's who's
had 100% passive.

1350
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,280
Aggressively be like, wow, look
at these kids who have been here

1351
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,120
every day.
It's possible, isn't it, kids?

1352
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,400
Sorry, I had appendicitis, but
what do you want that kid to do?

1353
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,480
It's awful.
I think.

1354
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,320
I do think that's horrendous.
I, I really do have very strong

1355
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,200
opinions on attendance awards.
I, I know why schools do it

1356
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,800
because there's a lot of
pressure from external sources

1357
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,480
and you know, local authorities
or maybe even Academy trust to

1358
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,440
be like, no, we know, no, the
government are saying attendance

1359
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,040
is wrong to me through
everything we can do You know

1360
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,600
what this isn't helping that
there is, there is no child in

1361
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,920
this country who has woken up in
the morning and has thought to

1362
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
themselves, wait a minute.
If I don't go in today, I won't

1363
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,920
get that attendance award and
therefore come into school.

1364
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,200
That's never ever ever happened.
That's never happened and it

1365
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,440
never will happen because 99% of
the time the reason they're not

1366
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,440
coming into school is not under
their control.

1367
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,480
They're I'll that's not under
their control.

1368
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:01,560
Their parents haven't got up out
of bed in time.

1369
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,720
That's not under their control.
Their family doesn't value

1370
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,240
education.
The education system, for

1371
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,520
whatever reason, valid or not,
whatever, that's not the kids

1372
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,160
fault.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1373
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,800
What we're doing here is
essentially we're shaming

1374
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,160
children for being I'll.
What kind of society is that?

1375
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,720
Fair enough.
Well, luckily you'll be pleased

1376
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,320
to know that obviously Ofsted
have now made attendance one of

1377
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,720
the nine key areas that they'll
be.

1378
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,040
This is what people will do.
They'll hear me say that, right?

1379
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,440
And they'll go, Don't you think
attendance is important?

1380
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,000
I'm just like, Oh yes, I do.
I think there's 57 things we

1381
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,440
could do before we have a shiny
award given out an assembly for

1382
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,040
it, though.
Let's actually address the

1383
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,960
problem rather than trying to
ham up the good part of it.

1384
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,040
The people who do come in,
they're already coming in.

1385
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,480
They're already coming in.
Giving them an award is not

1386
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
changing.
The kids who are are and are not

1387
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,640
coming into school.
It's just dressing up something

1388
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,600
to say we're doing something
else.

1389
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Do you know what we could do
instead?

1390
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,880
We could have a really rigorous
education like scheme for

1391
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,200
parents on how it's important
for the children to come in.

1392
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,440
We could try and prove it to
them.

1393
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,800
We could get out and reach to
these parents who had really bad

1394
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,920
experiences in school and feel
like they got nothing out of the

1395
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,480
education system and try and
teach them why actually it's

1396
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,240
important for their child to do
it for XYZ.

1397
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,960
We could do all that thing, but
that takes effort and that takes

1398
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,200
money.
What we couldn't do instead is

1399
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,080
just say to them the schools,
oh.

1400
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,560
Have you been giving out an
attendance award?

1401
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,080
You'd be bad if you don't.
OK, it's not Devil's advocate.

1402
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:21,640
What if?
What if you're wrong?

1403
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,880
What if?
What if?

1404
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,680
Genuinely whatever you know,
wrong.

1405
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000
What do you mean wrong?
What if attendance awards

1406
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,320
actually do just a little bit,
just a couple, you know, a

1407
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,080
couple of percent.
It does improve the attendance a

1408
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,920
little bit at a school.
Do you would you still say that

1409
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,400
bad?
Yeah, because I just think this,

1410
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,840
I've wasted it.
You can.

1411
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,400
You can again, you can reward
children and make them feel good

1412
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,720
about coming into school all the
time.

1413
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,440
I think you can do that.
What I'm saying is the

1414
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,440
attendance awards are when they
stand end up an assembly and

1415
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,640
it's made like a public show.
Yeah, I think that's.

1416
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,040
Bad.
Are you saying that the shame

1417
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,160
would outweigh even if there was
a little bit of improvement in

1418
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,800
attendance?
I think the shaming the kids

1419
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,960
that don't come in the most, I
think so.

1420
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,240
It's still not worth it.
I think so.

1421
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,680
I've done things before in my
class.

1422
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,920
This is where I might sound like
a hypocrite here, but I'm going

1423
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,840
to try and explain what I think
here because I don't think it's

1424
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,120
bad to celebrate attendance.
Sure, I don't think that's bad.

1425
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,040
There's been times before where
I've had a full class come in in

1426
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,760
the morning, which doesn't
happen very often, I'll be

1427
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,240
honest, because attendance is a
problem.

1428
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,320
I've had a full class in the
morning and I have bigged them

1429
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,560
up.
I've bigged them up because do

1430
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,800
you know why?
That day everyone's in school.

1431
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,840
So what I'm doing is I'm saying
we're all in today.

1432
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,320
I love it when I see, I
literally, I do this.

1433
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,040
I go over the top, I'll finish
the register and everyone's in

1434
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,240
and I say I love it so much when
we're all here and no one misses

1435
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,760
out on anything.
This, these are my favourite

1436
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,960
days.
I can't wait till this afternoon

1437
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,880
now because every single one of
you, we're going to have an

1438
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,360
amazing lesson together.
Isn't that so fun?

1439
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:37,920
And they're excited and they're
happy.

1440
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,040
Why not do, I'm not shaming
anyone who's not in.

1441
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,600
All I'm saying is this is a
celebrate.

1442
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,800
This is brilliant.
What I'm not going to do Then

1443
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,280
the next day, if someone wasn't
in on the on the Tuesday then

1444
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,400
and it came on the Wednesday, do
you know what I wouldn't do?

1445
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,840
You went in yesterday.
You ruined our attendance.

1446
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,040
You ruined our attendance.
I'm going to.

1447
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,920
Well done everyone else for
being in.

1448
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,800
Well done you guys.
Here's a certificate for you.

1449
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,840
Not you though.
Never ever going to do that.

1450
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,280
You can still celebrate
attendance and say how important

1451
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,640
it is and and reward the
children without shaming kids

1452
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,240
who are ill.
What are we doing?

1453
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,680
There's there's no one can
justify that to me.

1454
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,400
I've never heard anyone justify
that to me.

1455
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:18,920
Why we are holding back an award
or an incentive to a child who

1456
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,360
was in hospital for a week?
Horrendous.

1457
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,080
Yeah, fair enough.
Right?

1458
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:23,960
Hit me with another.
Question.

1459
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,680
Oh, it's me is it?
Should we go for this one?

1460
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,160
How long does it take to record
and edit a podcast?

1461
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,240
Obviously not asking Hayden.
Wow.

1462
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,480
Because Hayden, if you didn't
know listeners, there's nothing.

1463
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,960
I do absolutely nothing.
Apart from actually from

1464
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,520
actually edit.
Conan, Dylan, how would you

1465
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,960
answer this question then?
How long does it take to record

1466
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,680
and edit a podcast?
Well, now look, it takes to

1467
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,360
record.
Yeah, yeah, the time is going

1468
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:46,840
on, right?
There.

1469
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,560
So quick, quick insight here.
Then very quickly on the

1470
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,320
podcast, we used to take
probably an hour and a half to

1471
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,760
record an hour's worth of the
podcast.

1472
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,440
Yeah.
And then very quickly we

1473
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,120
realised that that takes a lot
of editing and you like like,

1474
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,200
I'm going to reveal a bit.
Here.

1475
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:02,840
Come on.
Then go on.

1476
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Hayden Hayden does edit this.
Where's my award?

1477
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,400
OK, the reason why I the reason
why I say he doesn't do anything

1478
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,840
is because because we because I
run the social media and and the

1479
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,360
joke is you don't do you don't
need anything with that.

1480
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,960
And also you can be really
honest here, genuinely say, how

1481
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,640
much editing do we do nowadays?
In terms, it's not much at all

1482
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
because because we put
absolutely 0 effort into the

1483
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,920
podcast, both of us absolutely
zero.

1484
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,360
I mean, looking at our notes
right now though, I can.

1485
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,080
See all 2 beautiful questions
from my.

1486
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,160
Now in all seriousness, we tried
to make this honestly just

1487
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,080
uncut, raw.
We just want to have a

1488
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,920
conversation.
We're not here to be like some

1489
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,720
super scripted edited podcast
and teachers trying to make some

1490
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,720
professional points.
We just want to be raw, uncut,

1491
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,920
and we very, very rarely cut
this at all.

1492
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,960
So in terms of editing, it will
take me about 1520 minutes once

1493
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,000
this is done to just sift
through it, put in the jingles.

1494
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,240
But there's probably like one
Jingle, The odd mistake that we

1495
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:55,880
just jot down the time, oh, I
made a mistake here.

1496
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,160
We do that.
You might notice a cut every now

1497
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,640
and then, honestly.
And that's it.

1498
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,640
And then we just put it straight
out.

1499
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,400
So yeah, it's quite a simple
process really.

1500
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,200
That's in all honesty how we
managed to produce an episode

1501
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,400
every week.
Some people say how are you

1502
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,080
doing this?
Because they think there must be

1503
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,760
hours that go into like post
production.

1504
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,080
Not for us.
We just talk.

1505
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,320
Right.
Let's do a couple more.

1506
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,840
Yeah, couple more.
Let's do it.

1507
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,840
How do you how to recognise
workplace bullying as an ECT?

1508
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,600
It's another they've got a lot
of new, I think we've got a lot

1509
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,120
of young like trainee teachers,
new teachers listening to us.

1510
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,120
How to recognise workplace
bullying as an ECT and what do

1511
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,200
you do about it?
Such a good question.

1512
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,640
I think it can be hard to
recognise workplace bullying

1513
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,000
very hard, Really, really hard.
I think I don't want to do this

1514
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,360
question and injustice with a
short answer, but perhaps we

1515
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,680
could do more of this in the
future about workplace bullying.

1516
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,200
But what I would say to you is
to recognise workplace bullying

1517
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,920
as someone who has not been in
the workplace for very long.

1518
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,320
If you're an ECT, that this
might be your first ever proper

1519
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,040
full time job.
It can be incredibly hard to

1520
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,360
actually determine what is
workplace bullying or not.

1521
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,000
For me it comes down to as a
teacher, we need an

1522
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,480
understanding what bullying is
anyway.

1523
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,320
Bullying is persistent,
persistent and it has to be in

1524
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,800
in a power dynamic.
OK, so when we're looking at

1525
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,840
workplace bullying, what you
should be looking out for are

1526
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,840
people in positions of power to
you, maybe your line manager or

1527
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,880
your senior leadership team who
are consistently picking at

1528
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,800
things you do in a way that is
different to everyone else.

1529
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,320
So that that that there are ways
you can actually gauge what's

1530
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,920
happening.
So for example, if you're doing

1531
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,240
some, if you're doing the same
as three other people, but

1532
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,320
there's someone in the position
of power is constantly picking

1533
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,880
up what you're doing, but not
picking out what other people

1534
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,680
are doing, which is the same.
That does then become bullying

1535
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,600
if it's persistent and it's
unfair and it's different to how

1536
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,280
everyone else is doing it.
So in terms of just identifying

1537
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,160
bullying, that is what you can
do.

1538
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,000
And I think the good thing about
having really strict parameters

1539
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,640
and what bullying means is it's
then easier to identify.

1540
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Is there a power dynamic where
the person has more power than

1541
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,520
you in the system you're working
in?

1542
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Is it persistent and is it
different to how other people

1543
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,840
are being treated?
I'd look for those 3.

1544
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,080
Things and quite often, I know
this is almost like completely

1545
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,880
contrary to what you said, but
quite often there's a there's a

1546
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,400
there's a deep gut feeling of
when you, when you think

1547
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,080
actually that person's that
person's being bullied.

1548
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,240
And that gut feeling normally
becomes because maybe either

1549
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,480
subconsciously or consciously
you've noticed what Dylan's just

1550
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,920
said.
These patterns in behaviour,

1551
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,600
anything.
Hang on a minute.

1552
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,520
It's the third time.
That's the third time that staff

1553
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,240
member has been called out for
this thing that I know that we

1554
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,960
literally all do.
Like what's going on?

1555
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,560
Why are they doing that?
Why are they getting put on that

1556
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,640
duty again, like, and, and why,
you know, those little unfair

1557
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,200
things and your gut feeling will
come in.

1558
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,720
And sometimes it's just a
conversation as well.

1559
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,160
Like if you know, if it's
someone close to you in the

1560
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,480
school, it's not you and you
know, they're getting upset

1561
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,120
about this thing.
Like you might have that insight

1562
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,000
that people don't have.
What do you do about it there,

1563
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,320
Dylan?
Yeah, I think in terms of what

1564
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,920
you do about it, you go down the
official channels.

1565
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,120
You need to know.
You should know in a workplace

1566
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,600
where you're in, you could be
whistleblowing, for example,

1567
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,040
especially if it's about someone
else.

1568
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,200
Or you need to go to your
official channels because it

1569
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,120
could be the person you think
that is bullying you is your

1570
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,280
official channel.
There's always another channel

1571
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,440
you can go down, even if it's
down to the headteacher.

1572
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,360
For example, if there's a
safeguarding problem and the

1573
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,000
head teachers, someone you want
to report, you go to the

1574
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,480
governors.
There's there's always someone

1575
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,800
that you can go to who's in a
local authority.

1576
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Yeah, of course, of course.
But what the only point I'm

1577
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,720
saying there is that you don't
think, oh, well, that's the

1578
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,040
person I'd go to.
I'm not going to do anything.

1579
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,440
Yeah, I was just highlighting
another Ave.

1580
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,720
Yeah, yeah.
Local authority.

1581
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,160
Completely and what I will add
to very quickly, I just wanted

1582
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,880
to make this very clear.
Power can power dynamic and

1583
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,080
changes can be different to just
on paper.

1584
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,160
So for example, a power dynamic
could be that a group of other

1585
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,400
teachers in a group, obviously
maybe they're more experienced

1586
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,880
as well.
You could, that could be

1587
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,040
bullying too, because there's a
there's a power dynamic.

1588
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,840
Yeah, absolutely.
So just just be, just be aware

1589
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,720
of it.
I think have a really clear

1590
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,240
understanding of what your
school describes workplace

1591
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,160
bullying as.
Yeah, document it.

1592
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,080
Yeah, that's, and then keep,
keep a record of it.

1593
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,440
So you, when you go to say this,
you'll be nervous and scared.

1594
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,360
And what you don't want to be
doing is just relying on your

1595
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,920
head to remember everything.
Go documentation, go things

1596
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,920
written down, identify it, go
through the right channels.

1597
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,520
If you do everything properly
and things still aren't

1598
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,280
resolved, you even need to move
on.

1599
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,080
Or if you want justice, you need
to go through wide you go to

1600
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,880
another.
Union tribunal there's all sorts

1601
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,080
of things where schools can be
held accountable for workplace

1602
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,960
bullying and don't just let it
happen amazing don't be a.

1603
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,480
Bystander, be an upstander.
That's you.

1604
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,960
You're absolutely right.
Let's do one more.

1605
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,040
Go on.
Let's fit one more in.

1606
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,080
We're going to go for this one.
Do this is a nice one to finish

1607
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,160
because we'll be switching off
this podcast after this

1608
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,040
question.
Do you have any tips for

1609
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,920
switching off?
How did you do it when you first

1610
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,040
started out?
I didn't in all on, if I'm being

1611
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,200
honest, you're not gonna sit
here on my high horse and be

1612
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,760
like, oh, I've always been great
and I did not switch off when I

1613
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,000
started this job.
Was that to your detriment or to

1614
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,920
your benefit or how do you feel
looking that?

1615
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,880
So tricky, I think at the time
because I, because it was almost

1616
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,440
like my hobby as well.
Like I want to switch off.

1617
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
I love teaching.
I loved it so much that I was

1618
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,880
like obsessed with the idea of
like creating good, creating a

1619
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,200
good lesson was like playing a
game.

1620
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,560
I was like, oh, I want to make a
really good lesson just because

1621
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,880
I want to for tomorrow.
So at the start I'd say I

1622
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,200
didn't, I didn't switch off, but
I think the environment is

1623
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,800
really important that I was able
to not switch off because all of

1624
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,240
my needs are being met on it.
Honestly, like someone else.

1625
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,720
I was living in my home and my
mum, my mum was amazing.

1626
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,920
Like I had one of those, you
know, a lot of friends at

1627
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,160
different.
Child, she's do your ironing for

1628
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,200
you.
She would come and do it right

1629
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,520
now.
She's one of those kind of mums.

1630
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,960
If I said, oh mum, I need help
cleaning, she'll be in a minute.

1631
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,680
I'll come.
She's one of those mums we're.

1632
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,080
Very privileged to have that.
Super privileged and I learned

1633
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,080
that growing up when I realised
that other people, most people

1634
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,720
didn't actually have this
relationship where their mom

1635
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:18,760
would just do everything for
them.

1636
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,240
So I was very mummied.
So at the start of my career,

1637
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,360
you know, I knew I'd come home,
my mum would be cooking me

1638
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,480
dinner.
Do you know what I mean?

1639
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,200
Like I knew that I knew the
house would be looked after.

1640
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,120
I didn't have any kids myself.
Like I didn't even have a

1641
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,560
girlfriend at that point.
I didn't have like a

1642
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,360
relationship.
I did.

1643
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,360
It was just, I could just be
totally absorbed.

1644
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,320
Whereas now.
I'm amazed to have a

1645
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,040
relationship.
Now, yeah, but was no, you're my

1646
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,760
only relationship.
So now I've got kids.

1647
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,720
Not with, not with.
Kids, I was thinking I was.

1648
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,480
Literally thinking of our
children because I was about to

1649
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:48,720
make a joke.
Not with, not with Dylan this

1650
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,680
time.
But yeah, so now it's very

1651
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,360
different.
Like I, you have to switch off.

1652
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,640
The way I switch off is honestly
just having a really harsh

1653
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,600
endpoint of my day.
I literally say to myself, I

1654
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,520
don't care what's not being done
by 5.

1655
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,320
I'm going home.
Sure.

1656
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,320
And if it doesn't get done, that
is not my fault because I've

1657
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,640
worked really hard and
efficiently today.

1658
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,000
I've done 2-3 hours extra work
on top of directed time on top

1659
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,880
of directed time in this day.
If anyone has a problem with

1660
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,880
that, they can come and ask.
They can come and talk to me

1661
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,680
directly because I'm very
confident that I can say, OK,

1662
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,640
help me redirect the extra 3
hours that I did in that time to

1663
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:21,920
be more efficient to get these
jobs done.

1664
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,080
And generally I say all this and
never have to do it because I've

1665
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,160
got to the point where I know
what needs to be done and I'll

1666
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:27,720
go.
I don't know.

1667
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,040
I switch off by just being a bit
more strict with my routine at

1668
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,880
work I guess.
So there's two prongs to this

1669
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,800
that I wanna talk about
highlighting what you said, and

1670
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,680
I think it would be a direct
answer to this question.

1671
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,800
How do you switch off?
How you switch off as a person

1672
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,280
will be different to how you
switch off.

1673
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,200
How I switch off.
So here's what you need to have

1674
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,440
in order to be able to switch
off properly #1A really good

1675
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,360
understanding of your work
contract.

1676
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,160
That is the only way you can sit
there and say, well, I know I've

1677
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,040
done this many hours extra on
top of my contract hours on top

1678
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,160
of directed time.
And then my contract says I need

1679
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,480
to do additional and I've done 2
1/2 hours extra additional

1680
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,240
today.
So having a really strong

1681
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,840
understanding of your work
contract and the Teachers Paying

1682
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,280
Conditions document will allow
you then to have the confidence

1683
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,080
to say no, which means you feel
less guilty about switching off.

1684
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,160
And the second thing is knowing
what works for you like that is

1685
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,040
hopping back to what I said
before, how do you switch off?

1686
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,000
So for example, you Haden, you
just explained that at one point

1687
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,520
in your career for you switching
off was sit down at your

1688
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,920
computer and planning a really
good maths lesson that that that

1689
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,080
doesn't sound like switching off
to 99% of people.

1690
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,760
Most people will look at that
and be like, what are you

1691
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:31,840
talking about?
But it doesn't matter.

1692
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,800
No, genuinely because for you
that was your downtime for

1693
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,280
someone else.
For me, for example, my downtime

1694
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,920
was 5 football in the evening or
my down time might be sitting on

1695
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,440
the sofa doing nothing,
decompressing or watching a

1696
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,600
Netflix series.
OK, that's my down time.

1697
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,080
I know that works for me.
I'm going to have really strict

1698
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,200
boundaries because I know I need
to do this to switch off and I

1699
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,960
understand that this is the
biggest point.

1700
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,480
Teaching is genuinely a job that
you could fill up 100 hours a

1701
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,720
week.
Yep, You, you really could.

1702
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,480
And this is what irks me when
people will look at what we're

1703
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,520
doing and say, no, no, there's
a, there's a cut off point.

1704
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,840
And I say, what do you, I'm just
doing the best for the children.

1705
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,240
Of course, I'm going to work in
the evening and the weekend.

1706
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,800
I was like, OK, cool.
Well, you're not doing the best

1707
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,240
for the children, are you?
Because you could do an extra

1708
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,880
hour every day.
Yeah, instead of, instead of

1709
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,960
just working 7 till 10, you
could work 7:00 to 11:00.

1710
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,480
You could have a bit less seats.
What do you mean?

1711
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,960
You've done half a day on
Saturday, That's not your best.

1712
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,680
You could do a whole day on
Saturday, what you're talking

1713
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,240
about.
So these people who complain,

1714
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,560
they've drawn their own line
further down the road.

1715
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,720
So you know, when I say you're
not doing your best, I'm being

1716
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,320
facetious because I think you're
making a very silly point.

1717
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,760
And I think knowing what works
for you, knowing how much hour,

1718
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,280
how many hours you're putting
into the job already and backing

1719
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,160
up with the workplace document
that no one can argue with is

1720
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,960
the best way to being able to
switch off.

1721
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,200
And for me personally,
throughout my career, how did I

1722
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,880
get better at it?
I've got, I became more

1723
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,720
confident at knowing what parts
of the job were better and and I

1724
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,440
became more confident in being
able to say no.

1725
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,600
I can cut off at 5 like you said
Hayden, because I've done the

1726
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,560
bits that are actually having
the biggest impact of the kids

1727
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,880
and I'm doing.
I am genuinely giving these kids

1728
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,160
an amazing time and I know
they're going to make really

1729
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,280
good progress.
And if you think that I'm a

1730
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,960
worse teacher because of that, I
don't care because I'm playing

1731
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,040
football whilst you're SAT
slaving away doing some work

1732
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,880
immediately, that's your choice.
Crack on if you want to do it,

1733
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,720
but do not impose that on me or
make me out to be a worse

1734
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,520
teacher.
Because I I staved away all

1735
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,560
night, Mark, because I'm really
tired now.

1736
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,280
Yeah, cool.
The kids are having an awful day

1737
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,560
with you now.
Awful day because you are tired

1738
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,720
and grumpy and stressed and I'm
not, funnily enough, because I

1739
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,440
played football and decompressed
last night and the kids are

1740
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:30,520
making good progress in my
class.

1741
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,720
Because I'm actually.
Yeah.

1742
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,920
And I just want to very, yeah, I
want to really, really, really,

1743
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,320
really, really make it clear if
someone wants to choose to do

1744
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,000
that, I won't stand in their
way.

1745
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,400
And I'll say cool, crack on,
okay?

1746
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:40,240
I won't.
I won't.

1747
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,520
I genuinely won't.
I know we've had discussions

1748
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:42,600
before about where the line
should be.

1749
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,840
You want to do that, crack on,
but do not impose that on me.

1750
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,600
Do not impose that on me.
And do not judge my teaching

1751
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,920
ability based on your standards,
which by the way, someone else

1752
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,200
will say isn't enough.
So you're turning around saying

1753
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,120
mine, mine isn't enough.
Someone will turn around and say

1754
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,920
yours isn't enough.
There is no line.

1755
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,680
Leave me alone.
My kids are making good

1756
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,320
progress.
I love my teaching, my children

1757
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,520
so much.
We're having a great time.

1758
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,640
Get out of here.
Yeah, fair enough.

1759
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:05,720
Dylan.
We're about to end this episode,

1760
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:06,760
but I know one of these top
ones.

1761
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,520
Here is a funny one because
we've only got a couple left, so

1762
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:09,640
I'm going to pick one and do a
quick file.

1763
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,400
I want to make sure it's funny.
OK, it's a funny one.

1764
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,640
OK, ready.
We're going to leave it on this,

1765
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,000
Dylan, after all this serious
talk.

1766
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,680
It's a hard question though.
Cream eggs or mini eggs?

1767
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,800
OK, I'd say cream eggs, then
mini eggs.

1768
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,400
And I would second that.
Thank you very much.

1769
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,920
That's a good chat.
I enjoyed those questions.

1770
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,920
Thank you for writing in as
well.

1771
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,720
Yeah, they were like we said,
there's there's more questions

1772
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:29,240
here.
We didn't.

1773
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,520
Quite get through all of them
and if you left us a question,

1774
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,360
why not leave us a review as
well wherever you get your

1775
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,880
reviews from.
I don't know if you've.

1776
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,800
Got this far?
If you've got this far into the

1777
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,000
podcast, and I know that many of
you do, and it's many, many more

1778
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,040
than what we've got number of
reviews, If you're listening to

1779
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,560
this right now, why don't you
just press that five star review

1780
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:46,360
button?
It really helps us.

1781
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,480
Yeah, yeah, very specific Five
star as well.

1782
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,400
That was good.
Absolutely.

1783
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,800
That was clever.
See you next time, guys.

1784
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,080
Bye.