Ep 102: Deep Diving The 'School Teachers Pay and Conditions Document': Know Your Rights!

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach

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sleep, Repeat teach sleep,
repeat teach sleep repeat he's.

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A funny guy isn't.
He's because it says repeat.

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Oh, that was it.
You've not done that.

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And over 100 episodes, you felt
good, didn't you?

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I know.
I thought that was fine.

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How can I slightly change the
thing that we say all the time

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exactly the same?
By we I mean me, because if I do

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say anything slightly different
I do have a bit of a nervous

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breakdown.
You do, and my name's Hayden, so

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welcome to the podcast and all
that.

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I've got a quick question
straight in.

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I'm OK.
I don't care that we got we got

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this whole structure that we do
and stuff, but I need to cut

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across it because I need to know
why on earth you think it's

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acceptable to blow your nose on
a piece of tissue, simply fold

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it and put it back in your
pocket.

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Do you mean I I I know people be
and you know, you heard of

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handkerchiefs?
Yeah, I've heard of

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handkerchiefs.
Disgusting.

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How has that ever normalised?
What is just?

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Tommy straight what's No, I'm
sorry.

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It's blow your nose and throw
it.

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Wait, don't blow your nose and
go.

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You know that you know that will
be there.

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You where that could go?
Do you know that could go after

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I just blow my nose folder them
back in my pocket, right?

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What on earth it's going you
need?

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To calm down, just just just
remember that you do have a

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weird phobia of snot to start
with, right?

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More than like no one.
Like no one's.

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Like there's two camps are there
my my weird phobia of snot or

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someone loves rubbing it in the
inside of their pocket?

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Is that is that the two camps?
What do you think?

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I don't put it back in my pocket
with like the snot facing

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outwards.
Oh, it's all right.

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Then it's all right.
Oh, is it what it is?

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It's inside the tissue.
As long as anything's inside the

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tissue.
Or whack it in your pocket.

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The tissue.
What are you?

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Talking about do you?
Think handkerchiefs are OK?

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I mean, I don't really like
them.

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Oh, here we go.
I don't really.

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Like them?
That's the line for you.

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But do you know what?
If you really think about it,

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they probably are the most
sensible thing, yeah.

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So.
So you're OK with with having

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tissue, right, but not a
handkerchief?

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Yeah, because the handkerchief,
you do actually have to keep

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them out of what the tissue, as
soon as there's a bit too much

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snot in it goes in the bin.
What's too much to you?

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Is it when it's like?
When you can't use it just like

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right, what are we doing?
What are we doing?

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So this tissue here right but.
I've got a tissue.

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Toilet roll because I'm probably
need to blow my nose because I'm

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I'm yelling everybody, I'm
probably going to need to blow

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my nose, blow my nose on this
one massive bit of tissue.

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Toilet roll.
You fold it in half.

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You can use that next bit again
and fold it in half again.

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And then when it gets to the
point where it's like, you know,

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currently use it, you Chuck it
in the bin, get a new one.

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Can't get sevenfold, do you?
When you use a tissue out of

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like a like just a normal tissue
out of a tissue, do you just

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like do one thing on it,
immediately throw it away and

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then use it again?
You get another one if you.

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Let me think, do I cover it in
my snot in this way?

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Yes, yes, of course I throw it
away.

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It was just like a little bit,
just like one of those.

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Blows, you know, it was just a
little bit.

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I went and blow my nose.
I'm going.

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You just stop the podcast and
go.

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That's what he does.
Yeah, because I don't want to

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put a handkerchief.
Oh wow, that's that is.

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Yeah, that's my.
I'm sorry.

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That's in my room. 101
handkerchiefs.

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Get in the bin.
Get in the bin.

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It's disgusting.
I.

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Can't.
I can't.

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I'm even argue.
I'm not even going to argue.

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Thank you.
I think you're mad.

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Anyway, teach podcast I think.
Yeah, sorry, it was, it's not

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podcast, no.
Please stop saying it because it

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makes it.
He doesn't like snot.

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My very quick story.
My friends used to so so I've

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got a real no, no, no, no, stop.
People listen.

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They'll turn off because of you.
Honestly, there there are people

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who knew I have like a proper
genuine, not a phobia because

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I'm not scared of it, but it
really, really gets to me.

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It makes me actually like throw
up.

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It's it's horrendous.
My friends used to know this.

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So they would just, they would
just annoy me and and what we

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were going out on a night out,
we'd get ready, we'll fresh

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ready to go.
We'd go out the door and then

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it'd make me gag because they
would just mention it or blow

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their nose in front of me or do
anything to do.

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It's not.
I'd be like, OK, I've got to go

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back and throw up.
That's, that's, that's mental.

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That's hilarious.
I can't.

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I can't say it's mental because
I'm the same with cheese.

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But how would you feel?
Equally gross, obviously.

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If I got some grated cheese, I
folded it in a tissue and put it

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in my pocket.
Oh, I think that's.

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Oh, that's disgusting.
Disgusting because you get

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cheesy pockets.
So.

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Oh no, it's not so.
Bang on cheesy pockets?

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Don't think so.
That's why it's not belongs in

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my nose or in my pocket.
No, whereas cheese belongs in

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the bin.
Cause cheese is rancid and my

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friends obviously knew that I
hated I hate cheese is a bit.

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Like they just throw to me down
at you.

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Yeah, literally I'm.
I'm my friend in sixth form.

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I mean, it was amazing.
It was one of those things where

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if it wasn't me happening to me,
I would have had it.

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I'm literally funny.
I did still kind of find it

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funny.
Just came up to me.

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They all had square sliced
cheese and just just smash slaps

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on the face.
But one of my friends just,

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yeah, just loved it.
Loved it across the room.

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I was remembering it went
straight on my foot, straight on

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my forehead.
And were you bald then as well?

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No, I wasn't bald then.
I that's funny enough.

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Why I became bored?
Because the cheese touched my

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hair.
One of them like like bougie

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little experiments that makes
your hair grow back.

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I'll try anything.
Rub cheese.

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Rubbing processed cheese.
Season so I understand how you

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feel.
Snot and cheese both equally

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disgusting.
Not equally had it thrown at my

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face.
Guys, let us know what's more

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disgusting.
I think we know the answer

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anyway.
First, cut the podcast because

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Hayden can't control himself.
You had a little story for me, a

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little sweet story.
Yeah, I did.

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So do you remember a couple of
weeks ago when you had your

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class run out to me to get my
autograph to sign a picture of a

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priest that wasn't?
Me go back and this is about one

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good story.
Someone from your class who

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obviously I'm their idol now
because of that moment,

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understandably caught me back on
the first day, back after half

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term Monday and and said to me
and I was like, oh, here we go,

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you're excitable year fours.
Here we go.

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Crikey, come over and said I've
got straight for you.

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I thought, Oh yeah, that's how I
got a Valentine's present for

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you.
And.

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I was thinking.
Hang on, I've in my head, I was

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like Valentine's, do they know
what Valentine's Day is?

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It's a bit bizarre.
Anyway, I thought nothing of it

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because it's, it's an 8 year
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They're obviously just being
sweet.

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And they ran back to your
classroom and I was like, well,

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I'll be in my classroom, you
know, whatever thinking, what

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have they done?
Got the folded cheese.

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Got.
The folded cheese got already

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out of his pocket and.
Has that been in your pocket?

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Yes.
No, sorry.

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I'm.
Not having it then I'm not

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Lemon, haven't it?
And he came up to me and he just

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had a little heart-shaped post
it note and just put Happy

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Valentine's Mr Stevens.
And he'd been waiting, he'd been

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waiting over a week.
He's given me that.

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He obviously wrote that.
And I was like, oh, it's just so

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cute.
And like those little moments

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just highlight the like the
innocence of kids and they're

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so, so unbelievably sweet.
Sometimes it maybe it just made

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my day.
Honestly, little things like

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that make my day because I'm
like, we really mean a lot to

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them.
And I forget that sometimes when

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we're in the grind of maths and
English.

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And, and it's very sweet because
it can, it can like present

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itself sometimes as what more
traditional older teachers might

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think as being rude.
Because I've got a story for

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this exact exact same child that
I know you're talking about.

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We're doing instructions this
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We're, we're looking at
instruction texts.

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We were just, we had a bunch of
them out and we're looking at

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recipes and, and Lego.
Lego instructions are just

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pictures.
So we were talking about how you

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can have instructions that are
just pictures or you have

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instructions that need text, you
need more detail, etcetera.

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And you have all your bossy
verbs and all that kind of good

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stuff that we do in English
lessons.

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And as we were doing this, we,
we were kind of doing that

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classic collecting the features
kind of thing.

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So we had loads of different
instructions and we said, what's

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the common theme between these?
And they all had pictures, they

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all had a title, etcetera.
We were jotting things down on

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the whiteboard and and during
this time, a couple of children

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in the back of my class had been
writing so much on that

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whiteboard and started doing
like a you will need section and

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then a method of mythology like
do this, then do that and that.

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And they were, I was like, oh,
make sure you do your time

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adverbials, do the first, then
next after that and all that

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kind of.
Quality first teaching.

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Quality.
Quality first teaching.

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Would you mind the right thing
to do?

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You've got to take that box with
the adverbs, please.

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Anyway, at the end they both ran
up to me with this with the

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whiteboard and the title at the
top was How to Annoy Mr Stevens.

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Of course.
You will need a ruler that's

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never straight an annoying
voice.

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Oh wow.
And then they started doing

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these one thing after the other.
And it was like, first, do this,

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Secondly, stand on the chair and
shout out loud.

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Thirdly, walk into the room and
pretend you don't know where you

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are.
And at the bottom in brackets,

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we don't talk brackets, by the
way.

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So I was again, I was like, this
is cool in brackets.

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It said, by the way, we are
really actually going to do

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this.
And they was staring at me like,

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can we do it?
Can we?

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Do it.
I love that.

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So sweet.
I love that.

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I don't.
I don't.

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I know we've always had a bit of
Bantam in our classes, but I

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feel like your class at the
moment, Oh yeah, it has the most

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like they are so interested.
In But it used to be more the

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other way around, simply because
you had kids.

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I taught.
Yeah.

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So it's.
Much easier for you to go to do

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that, whereas mine have never
had you.

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But you're you are this like
angelic figure now that you were

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a priest.
On the board.

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So funny, I love that.
And what did you do about when

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you realised they were just
being silly with their

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instructions?
I didn't care because they'd

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done everything I asked them to
do.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You could say to where's your.

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There's my title.
I've done the You will need bit

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because we need that.
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instructions.
I told them which order to do it

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in.
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everything I wanted you to do.
I could sit here and pretend to

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be annoyed by the fact that
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I don't care.
Actually, without even thinking

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about it for the last 15
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You've met the.
Victim.

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Fair enough.
How can you be annoyed?

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I can't be.
Yeah, someone would, though.

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Yeah, there is a teacher out
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you've not done, but you've not
done the thing I wanted you to

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do.
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for that.
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but but the point I made to them
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to them all the way through, I
was like, OK, cool.

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So where are your features then?
And that was their way of

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justifying and that's what you
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And that's what I wanted.
I don't really care.

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That's really funny.
So I had a bit of a classroom

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experience this week.
So with my I teach ICT on a

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Wednesday, right And I teach the
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So we just go around like a
carousel.

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Sure.
And at the end of the day, I was

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finished with my class and I
could tell they were just they

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just wanted to itching to get
them for computers.

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So I feel, I feel quite bad
because I end up just renting

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them for 5 minutes because we're
starting, we're starting unit on

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AI.
It's really quite cool.

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It's a new one.
I've never seen this before.

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about like what AI actually is

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in machine learning and it's not
artificial general intelligence

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and all this sort of stuff.
So you're not on the computers

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in ICT to start with.
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the middle.
So it's.

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So in our, the way our

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classroom's set up, sorry, I
forget that people don't

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actually work in our school.
We have like we have an ICT

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suite, computers around the
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middle I think.
That's quite normal, isn't?

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It pretty normal so you can do a
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when they're not just sat their
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So I'm introducing this new
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they were talking about how AIS
is using our phones a lot for

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like recommendations.
There's lots of recommendation

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AIS.
It knows it learns your

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behaviour and recommends you the
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Then we started talking about
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Why do they want your eyes on
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And they were like, oh, so that
you like their app And I was

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like, no, it's more than that.
I was like, they were like, what

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OK, maybe it's money.
I was like, of course it's

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money.
It's all money, isn't it?

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They're getting their eyes.
And then I just went on to this

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conversation about screen time
and I started talking to them

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about how much do you guys
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I was like, because I'm talking
about these apps that you

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shouldn't even be on.
Like I've mentioned this, but I

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know you all are.
I know you're all on WhatsApp

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and you're on Instagram, but you
shouldn't be.

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How much have you, you know, put
your hand up if you have your

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own phone and you have
unrestricted access to this time

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to these?
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It was scary, that's all I'll
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It was a scary amount of
children.

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And then out of interest, I
said, you don't have to share

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this if you don't want to
because I understood the peer

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pressure element, I said.
But does anyone, is anyone happy

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to admit that their parents are
quite strict on not letting you,

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not letting you access these
apps at all?

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And I was like, wow.
And some of the kids that put

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their hands up before were
saying things like, oh, I spend

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probably about four or five
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Wow.
And at this point I was

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specifically talking about
infinite scrolling.

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Right.
Yeah, because there's there's a

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big difference.
TikTok, Instagram, Reels We're.

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Going to go onto the difference
there I think.

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Right.
And they were like, they're

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happy to admit, but yeah, I
probably spend about four or

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five hours looking at this sort
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And then and then I go to bed
and I was like, that's mad.

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But the.
But I just thought this was

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funny.
And I know I could, you know,

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you can and saved me here a
little bit because what I'm

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about to say could come across
wrong and I don't want it to

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right.
But I did think it was

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interesting.
And I have noticed this in the

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past as well, a couple of kids
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they're not allowed to use it at
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Did both happen to be children
who have really good focus in

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class?
And I don't know if that's

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linked.
And there probably is a, there

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probably is a link there.
I'm sure on such a small scale

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that was more of a coincidence.
But it did make me think.

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I do wonder how much of a link
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I guess a big part of our job
always and, and just in general

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in life and society.
Now we've got social media and

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we can stand on a soapbox, as it
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stuff of our opinion.
Of course, it, it feels there is

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like a, there's a tightrope to,
to go along in terms of

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extrapolating our experience to
this is the way it is in

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general.
And I, I do you know what, funny

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enough, I'm going to mention
something I saw this week and it

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was the actress Sophie
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She played big Sue's in Peep
Show, used to watch peep shows,

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absolutely love Peep Show.
But she was given this speech

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and it was, it happened to be
about education and she was

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talking about giving her opinion
obviously on, on technology,

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etcetera.
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interesting because she
essentially, we'll play a bit

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actually in a minute on the
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listen.
But what she essentially does is

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she talks about how technology
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people.
And as a baseline, I tend to

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agree.
But she was very specific in

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what she said.
And I just want to make some

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distinctions and maybe have a
quick chat about like you

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mentioned there.
In my opinion, there is a

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difference between the infinite
scroll algorithm pushing stuff

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that you've you've got no
control over and technology used

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in in different ways.
And I feel like she blurred the

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lines a little bit.
Let's play what she said and

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then we'll talk about it after.
Some parents do everything in

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their power to mitigate screen
harms at home, but then their

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children go to school and they
experience hours of screen time

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in the guise of educational
technology or.

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Ed tech, whether that's in the
form of iPads and Alexa, voice

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assistants for nursery school
children, learning systems like

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Power School in primary school
or Google Classroom on secondary

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school devices.
Who has proven that this deluge

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of screen education is what's
best for our children?

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No one has.
Yeah.

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OK.
I can see what you mean about

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the use of the word screen time.
Screen time, I think it's a

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weird 1, isn't it?
Because kind of like what you

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were just getting at with like,
there's a difference, isn't

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there?
Screen time.

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I think my kids doing TTRS for
10 minutes, timetables Rockstarz

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for 10 minutes, which they have
to do on a screen is

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incomparable to those children
who put the hand up saying I

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scroll through Instagram reels.
That's like that to me is like,

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they both involve a screen, but
the screen time isn't the common

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denominator.
Like, I don't know that's the

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right phrase, but like them
being on the screen is not, is

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not the bad thing about that.
It's the specifically the things

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they're accessing the screen
isn't bad if you know what I

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mean.
I don't know.

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I don't know.
It feels confusing to me.

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No, that's that's my point.
My point here is the biggest

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we've honestly, I think we face
an existential crisis with our

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young people and the endless
scroll algorithm.

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I think it's horrendous for two
reasons.

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Because it is.
It is genuinely brain rotting

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them.
It is genuinely.

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They're sitting in front of a
screen swiping for literally 4

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hours in a row.
So much content as.

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Well, so much content that they
have no control over what comes

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next.
The only thing that has control

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over what comes next is the
algorithm.

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And the only thing the algorithm
cares about when it's completely

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unchecked and you're not on the
kids version of an app and

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you're just on something is eyes
on the screen.

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So if a child is engrossed by
something, then it will get more

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of it.
And it doesn't matter if it's a

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good thing.
It doesn't matter.

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I've seen too much content.
I'm going to pick on them.

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I'm sorry, the side men, okay,
because the side men, they're

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grown adults now.
They're all about. 30 Is that

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like KSI?
That's KSI, Yes, sorry, it's not

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Logan Paul.
The sideman are KSI, but it's

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all his friends from like Vic
stars in there.

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There's Harry W2S or something
like that.

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Anyway, these guys are getting
older now.

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They're not much different to
our age.

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They're nearly 30 odd and they
do a lot of adult content and,

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and they talk about adult
things.

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I, I put a video on the other
day actually, because I wanted

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to see what kind of content
they're making because my kids

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at school talk about it.
My kids at school talk about the

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sidemen.
So as in KSI call and they come

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in with prime and stuff like
that.

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These are the idols for young
people.

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And I honestly, within two
minutes of watching a sidemen

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video, they've made a joke about
a butt plug.

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They've made jokes about Lube,
they've made jokes about

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gagging.
And, and, and, and I was

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watching and I was just
thinking, there is so much wrong

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with this in that there'll be
parents who think, oh, Sideman's

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fine.
They're marketing Prime, which

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is clearly for children.
They're my children's idols.

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They play games.
Yeah, that's fine.

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Unless you're seeing what's
going on, these kids are getting

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sexualised gag jokes.
Within two minutes my class

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would have probably watched
that.

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Five year olds watch this stuff.
They watch this stuff and and

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the thing that's so wrong is
they're being allowed to do that

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to children in the first place.
I think a huge amount of blame

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has to go to the sidemen.
They're making this content

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knowing they're making millions
of pounds out of children and

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they're putting content out
there which is just adult

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content.
And I find it disgusting.

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And I guess my point here is
this is what I mean.

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When screen time's different,
how on earth can you equate 10

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minutes watching that sidemen
video with 10 minutes of them

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practising their TTRS on a
screen?

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I think there comes a point
where screen time's a problem

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If, if you if you're, if you're
on a screen and it doesn't

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matter how good it is.
But if you're on a screen for

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three hours straight, that's
clearly.

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Bad.
Yeah, it's bad to your eyes

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physically.
It's literally bad and and there

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are other reasons why screen
time itself is bad, like you

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said, your eyesight, et cetera.
But the real problem that we

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really need to fix so quickly is
absolutely this algorithm,

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because when we were little, I
watched TVA lot as a kid, I had

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screens as a kid.
My Interactive Whiteboard is a

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screen.
But you know what?

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It's way better for the
children's learning than a

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chalkboard.
It just is.

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And I've got nothing against
reducing technology in general

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because I do think we have a lot
of it.

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But I really, really dislike it
when people conflate these two

454
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,640
issues because one is
horrendous, which is the content

455
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,599
and the algorithm, and the other
one is kind of a byproduct of

456
00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:11,960
that is, Oh, well, yes, screen
time is bad, but really you're

457
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,240
talking about what you're
consuming.

458
00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I agree.

459
00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,480
I don't have much to add to
that.

460
00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,599
I think you're you nailed on the
head by it.

461
00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:19,800
We we've summarised it with
screen time is bad when really

462
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,000
we mean one thing.
Would we say reading is bad?

463
00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,599
If a child picked up something
horrendous that is full of

464
00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,720
expletives and awful, would we
say, oh gosh, no, no reading.

465
00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,000
Now you'd say don't read these
things.

466
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,880
We wouldn't say reading is bad.
We'd say don't read these

467
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,560
things, Read this.
I'd say don't read on here, read

468
00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,440
this.
I'd say don't read on here, read

469
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,200
on my Kindle on screen time.
And what I can do is monitor

470
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,800
what you read on that one.
So do that one, please.

471
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,640
Yeah.
You know, I'm obviously being

472
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,120
silly, but yeah, I think I,
yeah, I can see the the two

473
00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:46,040
things getting inflated a lot.
I think.

474
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,480
I don't think screen time is the
worry so much.

475
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,640
I agree.
I think it's the content.

476
00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,360
I think, I think the use of
technology in schools, although,

477
00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:56,200
you know, that clip we just
listened to said no one's proved

478
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,280
that it's good.
I don't know about that.

479
00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,320
I actually don't know.
Like, I'm not going to sit here

480
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,400
and pretend I have read all of
the research, but I don't know,

481
00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,600
I reckon probably millions of
teachers using stuff and seeing

482
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,720
they're seeing progress go up
and seeing better results out of

483
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,920
children.
It's probably some evidence,

484
00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,920
like the our own experiences as
teachers that some of this

485
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,120
technology is actually really
good.

486
00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:15,960
You know, we talk about learning
my questions a lot.

487
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,720
That's that's that's an Ed tech
company that relies on a screen.

488
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,880
It's a fantastic tool.
And it's a really good tool.

489
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,760
Like I've literally seen it.
Do you know why?

490
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,800
Do you know why?
It's good as well though,

491
00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,160
backing her up a bit because I
don't think she's, she's coming

492
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,120
from a place.
I I think coming from a place of

493
00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:29,280
care.
No, Yeah, absolutely.

494
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,040
I don't.
Yeah, but.

495
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,000
Backing her up a little bit?
No, because I agree.

496
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,280
I think she's wrong in these
places.

497
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,680
Yeah.
Is the reason that Ed tech is

498
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,640
specifically as good in this
case is because it allows me to

499
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,160
do the job of teaching better?
Yeah.

500
00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,400
The idea that she's talking
about replacing teachers and

501
00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,000
Alexa voice assistants and all
this kind of stuff, I do think

502
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,720
that's a bad road to go down.
But I think she's being very

503
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,880
over the top as to the road Rd.
Maybe we'll get there eventually

504
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,680
and we'll look back and be like,
oh God, you're right.

505
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,200
But I just think we can embrace
some of the technology and we

506
00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,320
can absolutely fight against it
when we think it's gone too far.

507
00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,480
Would you look at she's saying
Ed tech in general?

508
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,080
She's very general about it, an
Ed tech company that, you know,

509
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,000
pioneers green screen and lets
the children try something at a

510
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,920
green screen where they're doing
maybe a news report or telling

511
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,040
the weather or doing a doing a
documentary on sea life and they

512
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,240
put some pictures or video and
they.

513
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,680
Edit it on the computer sort of
thing.

514
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,440
Would you say?
I'd say that's fantastic.

515
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,280
Yeah, of course I would.
Yeah.

516
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,560
That's a really good, like,
that's a great, like cool, fun

517
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,080
engagement skills and time with
Computer literacy.

518
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080
Yeah, and editing creativity.
So what would you say to someone

519
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,560
who says, oh, no, no, no, but
we, we do no tech Friday.

520
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,560
So we can't do that today
because because screen time bad.

521
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,920
Nah.
Nah, rubbish.

522
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,200
I I don't know.
Yeah, I think goes back to the

523
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,720
fact that I do disagree that
screen time equals bad.

524
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,080
I don't think that's true for
the Illa.

525
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,640
I'm not going to say it again
just for all the reasons we

526
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,400
said.
I'd be interested to hear what

527
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,280
other people think because you
know, as you probably know,

528
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,240
these podcasts, we quite often
you're just hearing us genuinely

529
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,760
think about these things for the
first time.

530
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,960
Sometimes we reflect after the
podcast and go, I wish I'd said

531
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,080
this or I didn't think about
this.

532
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,600
So it would be good to hear your
thoughts but but at the moment

533
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,040
I'm thinking I don't like the
idea that screen time equals

534
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,840
bad.
It should be no social media for

535
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:02,920
children equals bad.
Sure.

536
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,920
And the sidemen for children
equals bad.

537
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,520
Unfiltered YouTube and
algorithms.

538
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,520
If a children equals bad,
they're the things that are bad.

539
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,520
They just happen to all come
through a screen.

540
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,240
Yeah, absolutely.
I agree completely.

541
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,440
There's one thing linked to, I
guess it's linked to this kind

542
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,200
of Ed tech and technology and
having stuff at home is I

543
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,240
remember vividly when we had our
first lockdown and we kind of

544
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,840
found out the day or two before,
didn't we?

545
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,000
We didn't have time to properly
plan this out and know what's

546
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,400
going on.
There was a child at the end of

547
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,320
the day who just turned around
and said to me, I don't have

548
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,280
anything at home because the
idea was we'll do something

549
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,760
online, you got home now for
your safety, and we'll sort

550
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,040
something out online.
And she didn't have Wi-Fi at

551
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,880
home.
She have Wi-Fi or device.

552
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,680
She have a device she had no way
to access.

553
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,320
Do you know, I really remember?
You tell it I remember this so

554
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,480
well because I actually
remember.

555
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,840
I hope you don't mind me saying
you genuinely getting a bit.

556
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,840
No, I don't care saying it
because I think at the time it

557
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,480
was like the peak of the COVID
where we didn't know it was

558
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,840
going.
We, we, we shut down the schools

559
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,040
for the first time because we
were literally like, we're on

560
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,000
the verge of this horrendous
incident.

561
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,480
So that was obviously playing
up.

562
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,640
And then and then suddenly we
had to tell all our children who

563
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,640
for school is a safe place and
where we help them and, and help

564
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,120
them develop.
But not only that, but as

565
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:20,080
people, we can protect them.
You know that that safety net

566
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,920
went and I'm not going to get
drawn into a debate about how

567
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,440
wrong or right that was because
I still think we had to do

568
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,040
something to stop the spread.
But but that doesn't mean it

569
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,400
wasn't horrendous.
That doesn't mean there weren't

570
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,120
really bad outcomes for some
children because of it.

571
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,680
And, and yeah, I remember I, I
that night we talked about it

572
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,120
and I, I, I, I, I cried about it
genuinely because I was so sad

573
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,880
because I, I think it's really
easy as teachers and maybe even

574
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,960
specifically for me and you
doing this podcast.

575
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,760
I think sometimes people can
listen and be like, yeah,

576
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,120
classic.
You know, they're, they're too

577
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,240
far gone.
Do you know what I mean?

578
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,360
They're, they're down the rabbit
hole.

579
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,440
You know, they, they, they look,
they're saying we shouldn't do

580
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,680
all this work and they clearly
don't care.

581
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,360
And we get comments saying we
clearly don't care.

582
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,400
And I think they, they, they're
what get to me because with

583
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,200
this, you know, I really, really
care.

584
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,360
That's my point.
And I really love the children

585
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:04,400
in my class.
Genuinely.

586
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,080
I really want to help them.
So when she said that, I was

587
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,680
absolutely gutted.
And that child got nothing.

588
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,560
And if, if we're saying screen
time always is bad.

589
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:14,960
Yeah.
Well, do you know what?

590
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,920
At that point, she needed a
screen to do some.

591
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,600
Yeah, yeah, she needed.
It, and I get the argument might

592
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,360
be, well, she should have been
in school, yeah, but she wasn't

593
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,880
OK.
And and therefore she had

594
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:22,920
nothing.
I remember going back in

595
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,160
grabbing piles and piles of
textbooks.

596
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,760
And it, it just, it just, it
goes to show, I think in general

597
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,120
that home life is the number
one.

598
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,120
And we just don't have control
over it, no matter how much we

599
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,120
think we do.
We do not have control over home

600
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,800
life because like you said, no
Wi-Fi access.

601
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,280
But in general, with our kids,
the home life can affect so

602
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,920
much.
Well, it's, it's easy, isn't it,

603
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,440
to take for granted it's easy in
schools.

604
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,120
And by easy, I mean like, you
know, you're not, you're doing

605
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,680
it on purpose.
It's just easy to fall into the

606
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,760
trap of just treating all the
kids exactly the same, which I

607
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,240
know sounds stupid.
Of course we treat all the kids

608
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,960
exactly the same.
But like, not not taking into

609
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,400
account the fact that everyone
has a very different experience

610
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,200
at home, which probably will
impact and effect massively the

611
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,680
way they are as a person growing
up, the way they receive their

612
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,560
education, their behaviour in
school.

613
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,600
And sometimes I do feel like the
the teachers, like teachers and

614
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,640
maybe school staff can go a bit
too far and be like, Nope, well,

615
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,760
this is the policy.
This is the policy.

616
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,000
And that's that.
And not make any alterations for

617
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,480
children.
And sometimes I just want to be

618
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,320
like, yeah, but let's just look
at these kids for a second

619
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,960
because you know what?
One, one of them with these two,

620
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,040
imagine two children, one of
them is going home and, and

621
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,720
honestly having the worst time.
And one of them goes time, has

622
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,040
the best time.
And then when they come in and

623
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,040
they both respond a certain way
to something, I don't actually

624
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600
think it's the best thing to be
like, Nope, blanket policy for

625
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,520
everybody.
That's it.

626
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,640
Sometimes I think we should
consider, well, hang on a

627
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,400
minute, what's happened in this
child's home life this morning

628
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480
that's made them react this way?
You know, it's classic, isn't

629
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,320
it?
We should treat everyone

630
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,960
differently.
Yeah, I think it's it's equity

631
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,920
and equality is the two things
we're talking about here.

632
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,440
Like equality, I can't remember
the way around.

633
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,240
It's going to get it wrong.
But one of them is we give

634
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,640
everyone exactly the same thing.
And there are times where we

635
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,440
should, and you know, we should
still have the same standards

636
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,680
for everyone and still have high
standards.

637
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,600
Absolutely.
But it's that understanding and

638
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,360
and the things that need to be
put in place to help someone is

639
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,280
obviously going to be different
from person to person.

640
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,040
I've had children before who I
know for a fact have gone home

641
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,080
and they are the primary carers
for their younger siblings

642
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,800
because of whatever is happening
at home for various reasons.

643
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,200
Obviously we won't go into any
details but you can imagine home

644
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,560
life where where a 7 year old is
the one during the night

645
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,000
consoling their two year old
who's sister who's crying or

646
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,200
brother when that child comes in
the morning after knackered and

647
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,960
lashes out and isn't happy about
something.

648
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,800
That is very different for
someone who lashes out and is

649
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,040
rude about something simply
because they're not getting

650
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,880
their own way or they've had an
absolutely.

651
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,360
Fun even though the behaviour
looks the same.

652
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,520
Looks the same, presents the
same, but my goodness me, I, I

653
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,640
guess the point here is we
should do a long episode on

654
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,640
this.
I think is about how you know as

655
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,520
as the children initially, it
takes their toll on them and

656
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,000
then the teacher emotionally.
It's hard, man.

657
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560
It's hard when you know you've
got a kid in your class where

658
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,480
you're the place where they're
safest and there's various

659
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,920
things going on and and we're
all going down the right avenues

660
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,640
to try and help people.
It is gutting, especially when

661
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,320
they're acting up and you feel
like you need to tell them off.

662
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,000
But it's just so complicated, is
what I'm saying.

663
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,640
It's just horrible, isn't?
It I mean, how many, how many

664
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,040
times have you heard people in
school staff just say things

665
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080
like, Oh, if I could take home
this group of children, I would,

666
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,760
you know, because they, because
they, because we, because people

667
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,920
mean so well and we can
recognise that, that not

668
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280
everyone it wouldn't it, you
know, this is just the way of

669
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680
things, unfortunately, but not
everyone has the best home life.

670
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,320
No, I've noticed that.
And as educators, it's so hard

671
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,600
to do your job whilst also being
empathetic towards that

672
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,920
sometimes because it makes you
horribly sad.

673
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,080
There have been so many
occasions in my job.

674
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,240
Well, I have felt honestly like
gut wrenchingly sad because I've

675
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,640
learnt something about a child's
home life and I've thought to

676
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040
myself, wow, that is totally
unfair for this 8 year old to be

677
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240
going through this.
Like it's just, it just sucks.

678
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,000
And there's and you know,
there's only so much I can do

679
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,320
about it.
And you want to be able to do

680
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,800
everything, don't you?
Because that's when you get into

681
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,320
this job.
We want to give everything to

682
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,560
these kids and you.
And sometimes you're just hit

683
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,680
with a hardball.
You can't because actually

684
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,840
you're not that parent and
carer.

685
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,040
You can't do that, you know.
It's hard.

686
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,040
I think every single teacher at
some point in their career has

687
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,680
that realisation and for some
people it comes very quickly,

688
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,320
some people it comes a couple of
years and that realisation is

689
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,400
the limitations of the impact
you can have.

690
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,120
You get into teaching and I
certainly got into teaching

691
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,760
thinking I can change the world.
Yeah, I can change the world, I

692
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,160
can make such an impact.
You can, you can change some

693
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,360
children's world and that is
enough and that is more than

694
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,800
enough, but you can't change the
overarching picture.

695
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,440
You're not going to stop someone
languishing in a home life,

696
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,200
which is horrendous that that's
going to happen.

697
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,560
What you can do as a teacher is
to help as much as possible and,

698
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,360
and be that safe space and that
haven for the children.

699
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,480
And I feel very privileged to be
able to do that for some kids.

700
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,080
And that's, that is the biggest
part of the job.

701
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320
And I've been very open and
honest about this on this

702
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,240
podcast before about how I've
thought about leaving the

703
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,160
profession multiple times.
And, and that's a big part

704
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,960
always that comes into my head
is, oh, but I know I can be a

705
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,160
safe space and a nice place for
some kids and that that

706
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240
opportunity goes away.
And I, I struggle with that

707
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,120
because I feel like it's like my
duty, I, I must do this.

708
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,400
I don't think you're over the
top or anything, but that's what

709
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
I want to do.
But Dylan, unfortunately you are

710
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,920
a bad teacher though, because
you don't what you think that

711
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,400
teachers shouldn't work at the
weekends like on all their time

712
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,200
or just immediately cancel their
plans because the because the

713
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600
leaders need to change something
that will impact you know it'll

714
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320
be good for the kids.
So the problem is, despite you

715
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,120
creating a safe space for the
children, the children generally

716
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,640
loving to come to school and be
in your class and.

717
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,920
Making good progress.
So weirdly, weirdly, you always

718
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,640
get the progress data that's
either average or better every

719
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,320
single you teachers actually fun
enough, but you are a bad

720
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080
teacher because you do go home
earlier than most other

721
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
teachers.
So Instagram told me actually.

722
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,240
So yeah, OK, that is how it is.
We're going to play Jingle in a

723
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,520
minute, but I want to tell you
right now, the whole reason

724
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,760
we've done this episode is
because we have been advocates

725
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,120
for so long.
You know, guys, this is probably

726
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,200
one of the reasons why if you're
still listening, you are, is

727
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,480
because we've been those
advocates to say God, listen,

728
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,080
take control of your rights as a
teacher.

729
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,120
It is a job.
We can be the nicest people in

730
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,160
the world and that's why we get
taken advantage of a lot of the

731
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,400
time.
So be that.

732
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,240
Be the best person in the world
for those children.

733
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,360
Go above and beyond to build
those relationships and help

734
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,200
them as much as possible.
Still do extra work, but

735
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,360
understand that you will not be
taking advantage of.

736
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:20,640
So here's what we're going to do
today, Hayden.

737
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,880
We are going to do a deep dive
of the teachers pay and

738
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,800
conditions document and we're
going to literally read word for

739
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,960
word what it says.
So no one can argue with that.

740
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,200
And then we're going to show our
interpretation and why we think

741
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,040
that it's acceptable to say no
at some point when it's OK to

742
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,360
say no.
What you should have as a

743
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,080
minimum in your school because
it's your contract, not because

744
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,000
you're a nice, lovely teacher
who just does stuff because

745
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,920
that's why.
No, no, you can do all of that

746
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480
and still abide by this contract
because too many people have

747
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080
commented saying to me, well,
actually, if you look at the

748
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,680
teachers standards pay
conditions document, you'll find

749
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,160
that it's I know what it says.
I have a different

750
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,760
interpretation to you.
Doesn't mean I'm wrong.

751
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,480
It means you are you're wrong,
Not me.

752
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Normally here I might come in
and say, oh, leave us a review

753
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,000
because it really helps us.
And I still think you should do

754
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,840
that.
By the way, wherever you're

755
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,880
listening to us, if or everyone
who's listening left a review,

756
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,760
we'd have at least one more of
you.

757
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,840
It would be crazy.
But now guys, please do help us

758
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,960
out.
Leave a review wherever you are

759
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,920
very quickly.
I need to ask you why you left

760
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,760
me hanging then.
Because it was funny.

761
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,480
I was, I was just trying to make
a joke and, and the joke was,

762
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,320
you know, it's just an
interpretation.

763
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280
You can't call me wrong.
And the joke was I called them

764
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,560
wrong.
Yeah.

765
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,680
I was kind of hoping you'd say
something.

766
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,440
But then you look to me with
those eyes of Hayden reference

767
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,160
the fact that I'm joking right
now because everyone will think

768
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,040
I'm an idiot if I if you don't
and I just didn't.

769
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,920
I look to you and I thought, no,
I'm going to leave you hanging

770
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,160
because you look desperate.
And it was funny.

771
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,280
And the amazing thing is you
have editing control.

772
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,520
So that is just how it's.
Going to make it even longer.

773
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Everyone listeners.
That was out of a 32nd pause.

774
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920
You repeatedly saying I'm right,
aren't I?

775
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,680
You're wrong, aren't you?
You're you're wrong.

776
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,440
A dip in retention where you
just cut me saying something

777
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,120
that I never said not.
That you're ever wrong, so it's

778
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,360
fine.
Anyway, we're going to take a

779
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,400
look at the STPCD, which is the
school teachers pay and

780
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,120
conditions document.
We are literally going to dive

781
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,280
into this document, which is the
contract all teachers have to

782
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,400
adhere to.
And we're going to take a look

783
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,200
at what it says and we are going
to share our interpretations of

784
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,120
this because too often people
have turned around, honestly,

785
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,200
usually martyrs who enjoy doing
loads of extra work and think

786
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,600
everyone should be on the same
level as them.

787
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,480
And they say, no, no, you're
wrong.

788
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Teachers have to do, they just
have to do more.

789
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,520
It's part of the contract.
It's even says it.

790
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,320
So we're going to talk about
directed time and what we're

791
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,920
expected to do.
That's going to be a big chunk

792
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,080
where we're going to start.
But then once we had this

793
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,320
document open, we thought, well,
why not look at other parts of

794
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,400
this as well and just see
exactly what the document says.

795
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,720
And you can find out if your
school are adhering to this or

796
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
you're doing too much because,
guys, it is a job, OK?

797
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,920
We've talked about how much we
love teaching.

798
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,400
We've talked about how much we
care about the kids.

799
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800
We've talked about how invested
we are in their progress.

800
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,200
All of this can still be true
while still adhering to the fact

801
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,560
it's a job and a contract and
you're allowed to go home and do

802
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:03,760
something.
OK.

803
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Yeah.
So I want to start with directed

804
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:06,400
time.
Yeah.

805
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,680
Hey, dude, can you just outline
without even reading what's in

806
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280
the document, What's the generic
view of directed time?

807
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,400
And, and it's and it's weirdness
because it's, it's not what

808
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,840
we're meant to do, but it is
what we're meant to do.

809
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,800
What's your general idea?
It's.

810
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,120
A strange one because it's very,
it's a very set yearly amount of

811
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,840
hours, which is 1265 hours.
Schools are allowed to tell you

812
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,520
what to do for 1265 hours a
year.

813
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Most schools will do that by you
teaching and then they'll have

814
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,720
the odd, the odd few hours each
week where they might get you to

815
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,600
do a staff meeting or come in a
bit early for whatever.

816
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,640
All right, So it's one of those
things where you'd be surprised

817
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,440
if you actually just add up all
the all the director time that

818
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,800
you do in your school.
You'd be surprised how many

819
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,040
schools don't remotely adhere to
this.

820
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Yeah, honestly, and sometimes
naively, they've been realising

821
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,360
suddenly, you know, one year
they added, oh, we need to do an

822
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,120
extra staff meeting in a week
now because we want to do a year

823
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,240
group meeting and a staff
meeting and another year or

824
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,000
clubs are good, aren't they?
Everyone's got to do a club now.

825
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,960
And suddenly you're doing three
things after school.

826
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Your your your weekly, your
actual director time hours is in

827
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,840
the 1003 hundreds.
Yeah, so in in general, director

828
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,320
time is they can tell you what
to do and where to be.

829
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600
But then also there's this weird
thing in our contract about

830
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,800
teachers also have have to do
more.

831
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,640
So that's where the grey line is
as well.

832
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,040
Where?
Well, you know, teachers, we do

833
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,760
have to do more, don't we?
Because it's part of our

834
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,640
contract.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,080
So, Hayden, I want to actually
read what it says, OK?

836
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,880
So I'm going to read it and I
want you just to react to it and

837
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,520
tell me what your interpretation
of this is then.

838
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,000
OK.
A teacher employed full time

839
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,200
must be available to perform
such duties at such times and

840
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:36,000
such places as may be specified
by the head teacher for 1265

841
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,000
hours, those hours to be
allocated reasonably throughout

842
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
those days in the school year on
which the teacher is required to

843
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
be available for work.
So that's the 195 days within

844
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,040
set for five days and 190 with
the children.

845
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,720
So that is very, very clear,
isn't it, that the head teacher

846
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,880
can tell you what to do and
where to be for those amount of

847
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,440
hours?
To think, I'd like to think in a

848
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,320
job that relies on planning,
teaching, and marking as its

849
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,840
core.
I'd like to think that those

850
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,440
hours encompass the absolute
essentials to the job.

851
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,960
That's what I would if I was
reading that.

852
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,480
That's what I would think.
And this is where people who

853
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,360
maybe are on the other side of
the fence to us, I do have a

854
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,040
genuine argument to say no, no,
no, you need to do that stuff

855
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800
extra because here's the next
paragraph, which I think is

856
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,840
really, really interesting.
So before I read it, I'm just

857
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,880
going to mention very quickly a
directed time calendar.

858
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,920
If your school doesn't have one,
you can ask for one.

859
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600
You should be able to get one
where the director time is

860
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,920
broken down and added up to show
that it's not going past 1265

861
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,640
across the whole.
So do make sure you get that

862
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,280
because very quickly you can
see, oh, wait a minute, that's

863
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,480
not including this where I have
to go to and you can have that

864
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
debate at that point.
So the other part, this is the

865
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,320
part where people will have the
gotcha to us.

866
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,280
This is the part people have
commented on my reels and said,

867
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,920
no, no, no, no, the contract
says this.

868
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,760
So you've got to, you've got to
get over it.

869
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
You've got to do all of them.
Hours of extra work in addition

870
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,640
to the hours a teacher is
required to be available for

871
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,200
work.
Under the previous paragraphs we

872
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,760
just mentioned a teacher must
work such reasonable additional

873
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,640
hours as may be necessary to
enable the effective discharge

874
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,159
of the teachers professional
duties, including in particular,

875
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,639
planning and preparing lessons
and assessing, monitoring,

876
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,400
recording and reporting on the
learning needs, progress and

877
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,400
achievements of assigned pupils.
So again, very clearly here,

878
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,199
what it's saying is that the
extra additional time absolutely

879
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,800
should include the planning and
the assessment.

880
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,159
So directed time does not have
to have that built into it.

881
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,639
Where it's vague is that it just
says reasonable additional

882
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,239
hours.
So what's your, what's your

883
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,159
first thoughts reading that as a
teacher who's been teaching for

884
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:42,960
10 years?
Yeah.

885
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,639
Does that shock you?
Does it surprise you still?

886
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,320
Or do you think, well, I I knew
this, but.

887
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,760
Half and half I I disappoints me
more than anything.

888
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,639
Like it is the most dangerous
paragraph in the whole contract.

889
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,639
It really is because it's the
one that gets abused.

890
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,960
Yeah, that paragraph is the
reason that, but some schools

891
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,800
have their staff working 7 until
6:00 PM every day and every

892
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,680
weekend and all across the half
terms that that paragraph is.

893
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Why?
Because they make sure to fill

894
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,040
directed time with anything but
planning and marking.

895
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,840
Do you know what?
I mean, which would in this case

896
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,520
seem to be reasonable.
Which is fine.

897
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,880
I think the word reasonable is
so subjective.

898
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,040
This is what you were talking
about earlier.

899
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,520
It's subjective.
You know, people interpret with

900
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,320
this differently.
Reasonable additional hours that

901
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,400
may be that may be necessary.
They've got everything there.

902
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,560
They've got all the modal verbs
in there.

903
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,800
They're reasonable, may be
necessary.

904
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:26,880
I don't know.
It's up to you if you think

905
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,120
that's necessary or not
reasonable.

906
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,000
I don't know.
Effective, got to be effective

907
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
discharge.
So someone else can come along

908
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000
and say, yeah, it was a
reasonable additional hours and

909
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,640
it and it might be necessary,
but it wasn't effective.

910
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,240
There's too many layers to me.
There are two things I want to

911
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,880
come back at then because
because I think you're

912
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,160
absolutely right.
I share those same grievances,

913
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,400
but this is what I'd say to
people.

914
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Firstly, I'd say to them, if you
have asked for that directed

915
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,480
time calendar, you will very
quickly realise that when you're

916
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,880
in school between 7 and half
7:00 in the morning and leave

917
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,760
school at 5:00 in the evening,
you are working past your

918
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,600
directed time.
So directed time usually in

919
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,040
general, let's just say is 830
because it might be a bit before

920
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,640
the children come in, or it
might be that the children come

921
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,480
in early, 830, let's say until
about 3:45 on a day where you

922
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,840
haven't got a staff meeting,
etc.

923
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Yeah, that would be directed
time.

924
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,800
And that's when you say, oh,
gosh, it's it's half three.

925
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,560
I've got an appointment.
I'll ask the head teacher if I

926
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,080
can leave because it's before
directed time.

927
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,320
It's very normal.
Yeah.

928
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,360
But then after directed time, of
course you can leave because

929
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,400
that's what directed time is.
You've chosen to do your work at

930
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,080
a different point.
Yeah.

931
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,240
But when we stayed past five and
we get in early at 7, half,

932
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,280
seven, that is 2 hours every
single day you're in school,

933
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,080
which is this additional that's
been said here because we're not

934
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,440
going into school for a jolly.
I'm going into school to prepare

935
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,880
my lessons.
I'm going to school to print

936
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,480
stuff.
I'm staying in school late to do

937
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,000
that marking.
So when we say planning and

938
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,360
preparing and marking is part of
that, what my go to reaction

939
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,800
would be is, yeah, yeah, I'm
doing that in the hour before

940
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,200
and the hour after every day,
which for five days a week by

941
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,600
the way is 10 hours additional.
Which too long.

942
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,200
I'd say that's pretty reasonable
and.

943
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,160
That's what most people do.
And I still argue that's still

944
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,040
probably too much if you add up
all the hours.

945
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,880
But but do you know what?
We're professionals.

946
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,680
We've got to work longer.
Lots of people work really long

947
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,840
hours.
I think most people are happy

948
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,400
with that, like you said.
And I've done that my whole

949
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,240
career.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

950
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,240
I've really done that my whole
career.

951
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,000
And the second thing I'd say,
let's read the next paragraph

952
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,920
because I think this is really,
really again, it almost it's

953
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,760
vague in, in in favour of doing
loads of extra work.

954
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
And now it's almost, they've got
another paragraph here which is

955
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,320
just as vague, trying to cut
back that work.

956
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,800
So here it is limited almost.
Yeah.

957
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,120
It's crazy.
The employer must not determine

958
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,760
how many of the additional hours
referred to in the previous

959
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,560
paragraph must be worked or when
these hours must be worked.

960
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,880
So what it's then saying is,
yeah, sure, you've got to do

961
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,240
extra because you've got to get
all this done, but you can't be

962
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,280
told how much extra to do.
Yeah, yeah.

963
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,080
And you can't be told when to do
this implicitly.

964
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Either, I think that's a really
big one.

965
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,520
How many times teachers have you
been told that these something

966
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,040
needs to be done?
You know it has to be done in

967
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,760
additional hours because it's
nothing to do with teaching.

968
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,720
So it comes into your additional
hours immediately and it's got

969
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,400
to be done by a certain
deadline, which by definition

970
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,320
means you have to have done it
at the weekend or you have to do

971
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,720
it half term.
The amount of stories we've had

972
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,640
in where people are like, oh, on
the Thursday or Friday in the

973
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,400
end of term, I've been told that
on the Monday, the term when we

974
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,880
come back, we have to be
implementing this new thing.

975
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,120
So therefore the only time I've
got to get all this ready and

976
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,000
make these changes is during my
half term.

977
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,080
And they think that's that's
acceptable.

978
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Yeah, because we've not said
doing half term.

979
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,360
All I've said is that by the
time you return, which is the

980
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,200
next point, you're in work.
You've got to get all this work

981
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,840
done.
So this is where the contract.

982
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Then there's another layer I
think of even just helping when

983
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,680
you fight back that implicit
side, which let's face it, it

984
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,600
really is going to be like,
unless you're like, like,

985
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,720
there's not many leaders out
there who are out who are just

986
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,280
going to actively be like, I
think this contract is wrong and

987
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,600
I'm going to break it and tell
you to do the work.

988
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,600
They're going to do it
implicitly.

989
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,920
That's how it's always
happening, really.

990
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,240
There's another one here below
it called Overarching rights as

991
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,640
a teacher, a short paragraph.
I'll read it to you.

992
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,400
No teacher may be required to
work on any Saturday, Sunday or

993
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,000
public holiday unless their
contract of employment expressly

994
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,920
provides for this, which most
don't, for example in the case

995
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,560
of teachers at residential
establishments.

996
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,400
Right, So what I'm what you're
saying there is no you cannot be

997
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,440
told implicitly or explicitly to
work at your weekend or your

998
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,040
school holidays.
You can't be told.

999
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000
No, no, sorry.
The cross country is on Saturday

1000
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,240
and we need someone to come from
every year group because we've

1001
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,480
got to represent the school.
That's lovely.

1002
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,920
But also no.
Yeah.

1003
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,120
No, I don't.
Yeah.

1004
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,360
No, I don't.
Because you know what?

1005
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,680
I simply don't have to.
I might choose to.

1006
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,440
Yeah.
You might invite me.

1007
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,960
You might invite me.
And you know what?

1008
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,680
I might love to do it.
Yeah.

1009
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,040
Because I'm the kind of person
maybe I'm a teacher.

1010
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,120
I think I'd like that.
Earlier on in my career, I was

1011
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,400
always there.
I enjoyed it.

1012
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,160
I liked it but you can't force
someone to do it and when you do

1013
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,400
and you make someone feel bad or
you do that push or that shove

1014
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,880
or that oh go on for the kids,
you are actively going against

1015
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,640
this contract.
It's like like we've heard

1016
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,240
stories, haven't we?
Multiple times again of people.

1017
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,680
This seems to be very common in
a staff meeting setting where

1018
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,360
all the staff are together and
the head teacher or whoever's in

1019
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,800
charge of clubs just gaslighting
all the staff into doing it.

1020
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Genuinely just being like clubs,
voluntary.

1021
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,200
But obviously you guys, you
know, you care about the kids

1022
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,040
and we know how much impact it
has on the children.

1023
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,240
We know it's really good.
We've really been working on

1024
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,800
reducing marking recently.
So who, what club is everyone

1025
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,560
going to be running?
Yes, not even this What club is

1026
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,200
everyone running?
Next term, put your hand up

1027
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,600
though and let everyone know if
you're not going to run 1 like

1028
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,320
stuff like this where I'm just
like, what are you, what are you

1029
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,880
doing?
This is unacceptable behaviour.

1030
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,840
It, it can't be done like this.
So this is what I'm talking

1031
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,080
about this whole implicit this,
this passive aggressive side of

1032
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,440
teaching that exists to make us
all do more when I'm telling you

1033
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,600
right now we're reading off the
literal contract from the

1034
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,760
government.
You don't right additional

1035
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:41,840
hours.
I'm just going to express this

1036
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480
again because Dylan had a
meltdown when he did his reel

1037
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,920
about.
This because because he's

1038
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,000
reasonable.
Because you called it extra and

1039
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,240
this is this is mad to me.
Like I read the whole comment

1040
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:51,880
thread of you of you just giving
up this person.

1041
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,000
But Dylan did a did a thing a
video, a reel, basically saying

1042
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,840
what you just did here.
We already do extra hours and

1043
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,760
someone said no you don't.
Because the idea was I wanted to

1044
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,160
justify not working in the
evening and at the weekend.

1045
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Yeah, that was the whole point.
So you said we already do our

1046
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,920
extra hours and someone said no,
actually no, because in the in

1047
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,000
the SPTCD where it is, let's say
the letters, it sounds close

1048
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,200
enough.
It actually says you should be

1049
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,280
doing additional hours.
And Dylan told what was yes, I

1050
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,280
know.
I just said we do extra hours

1051
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,640
and the and the guy would would
not accept the idea that extra

1052
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,640
means additional.
And it's like, no, come on.

1053
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,360
Like we we've got to the point
where this person has genuinely

1054
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,560
wholeheartedly believes that the
normal school day is 730 till

1055
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,480
five.
Yeah, none of that is extra.

1056
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,240
Yeah.
And therefore more else is left

1057
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,800
for additional hours, the
weekends and evenings.

1058
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,440
So of course you have to do it
teachers, because it says in

1059
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,320
your contract, No, it doesn't.
It doesn't say that in the

1060
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,480
contract.
We just read it to you.

1061
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,920
And this is where, I don't know,
I was joking earlier, but but

1062
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,000
honestly, there are points where
you can someone you he is just

1063
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,920
wrong.
Yeah, he is just wrong.

1064
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,440
Because no matter how you want
to butter it up, if you don't

1065
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,600
like it, I don't care you are
doing additional.

1066
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:58,320
If it's outside of your directed
time calendar, it is

1067
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,600
automatically in that paragraph
which says do additional things.

1068
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,920
So it doesn't matter if you like
it or not or agree with it.

1069
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
You are most teachers are doing
10 hours extra every week

1070
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,760
they're in school and most
teachers don't care and they

1071
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,760
won't moan about that.
They just know it's fine.

1072
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,840
When the moan comes is when I've
already done my 10 hours extra

1073
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480
or additional.
If synonyms really offend you

1074
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,440
that much when they've got then
got to do some work at the week

1075
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,640
at the weekend for four hours or
some evening work that at that

1076
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,200
point you should step in and be
like, but this is unreasonable.

1077
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,840
Now, this actually goes against
the contract now, because you

1078
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,800
telling me I'm not doing my
additional, you're wrong.

1079
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,800
I'm going to fight that.
And and if you're a teacher out

1080
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,720
there doing all this extra stuff
that is well within your right

1081
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,000
to turn around and say I'm
already doing X amount of hours

1082
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,200
extra every week on top of my
director time.

1083
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,240
Can you please explain to me how
this is not reasonable?

1084
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,640
How is 10 hours not reasonable?
That's the problem, isn't it?

1085
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,320
Well, I'll come back to that.
I'm going to circle and finish

1086
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,480
with that.
That is the ultimate problem,

1087
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,680
and why I really hate this
document is that it's

1088
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,920
subjective.
Someone else's reasonable is not

1089
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,480
the same as your reasonable and
and and.

1090
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,840
You can never settle that
debate.

1091
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,480
But what you can settle the
debate with is if someone comes

1092
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,480
along and says no, you need to
be doing this, there's a

1093
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,680
paragraph there saying you can't
tell me.

1094
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,240
To do yeah, I don't need to be
doing it actually.

1095
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,720
Yeah, because I'm already doing
additional.

1096
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,320
If you were only, if you weren't
doing any additional work, if

1097
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,000
you only did your directed
hours, they can come along and

1098
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,640
say that only only at that
point, can't they?

1099
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,400
And some and some people say do
that and I'm like actually no,

1100
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,840
no, you are wrong as well.
Because the contract does say to

1101
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,960
do additional hours, it's just
that I interpret additional

1102
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,520
hours as two hours a day is
enough.

1103
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,400
That to me is reasonable because
the two hours a day already

1104
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,600
makes it on average a longer
working day than average

1105
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,400
workers.
So it's like, so at what point

1106
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,240
do we pretend that that doesn't
matter and say this is not

1107
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:32,760
reasonably more?
I just, and I hate that whole

1108
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,120
debate because people have
different opinions.

1109
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,320
At the end of the day people are
different.

1110
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Me and you 8 years ago would
have probably a very different

1111
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,920
concept of what would be
reasonable because our lives

1112
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,480
were different.
We lived at home with our

1113
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,880
parents, we didn't have
children.

1114
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,640
We had honestly like no
responsibilities.

1115
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,120
We had so much more free time
and we were willing to give up

1116
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,880
more of that because we still
had a huge percentage of free

1117
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,000
time as well despite doing more.
And to us that was reasonable.

1118
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,640
It's not anymore.
It's not reasonable anymore, but

1119
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,520
I still do my additional hours.
So anyone that says, oh, you're

1120
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,520
lazy teacher now, don't you
don't do it, you don't do

1121
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,440
enough.
Is that no, I do.

1122
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,800
I do because I don't come in at
8:30 and go at 3:45.

1123
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,200
That's one thing I don't do.
Completely.

1124
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,680
And you do work outside school
yeah and yeah, I think that's

1125
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,000
absolutely right.
And do you know what I think

1126
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,520
that's fine I think this
contract allows for that This is

1127
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,880
where this contract can be good.
This is where the vague part of

1128
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,520
it can be OK, because if you're
willing to do the extra, you

1129
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,080
should.
I still think that's fine.

1130
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,480
If that young teacher comes
along and wants to do that, I

1131
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,320
still, I'm off the camper.
I'm like, I think that's OK.

1132
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,200
But but I think what we have to
protect is that people choosing

1133
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,560
to interpret it a different way
are not intrinsically wrong.

1134
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,000
No, this is not a problem.
This is actually something we

1135
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,840
should be protecting with all
our might because it is still

1136
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,280
abiding by the contract.
I agree, and this is coming from

1137
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,480
the guy who's never wrong, so
just remember that, OK?

1138
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,560
This guy is never wrong, guys.
I'm wrong?

1139
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,400
I am wrong sometimes.
Maybe I'm wrong by saying I'm

1140
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,040
wrong.
Yeah.

1141
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,800
Is that the exception thing?
Yeah.

1142
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,840
Before we scroll, because I
really want to say this one, I

1143
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,320
don't know if you're going to
say it, but one other thing,

1144
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,200
just great little thing that
finishes this paragraph.

1145
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,560
It says no teacher may be
required under the contract of

1146
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400
employment as a teacher to
undertake midday supervision.

1147
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,280
So if your school was like,
Nope, we've just changed our

1148
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,280
directive time and you have to
do a lunchtime duty here, No,

1149
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,360
you don't.
Nope, Nope.

1150
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,960
Done.
You don't.

1151
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,480
It's in the contract shown that
piece of paper.

1152
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,480
Oh, but we've got to because of
No, you don't have to.

1153
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,240
Yes, I'm sorry.
Or they're taking away our staff

1154
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:15,320
meeting.
Okay, do you know what?

1155
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Maybe if you come up, if you
come to agreement or they're

1156
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,920
fine, whatever.
But you don't have to though.

1157
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,280
You don't have to accept that.
Because you do also just need a

1158
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,080
break, and there's a difference
between doing a favour for

1159
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,360
someone every now and then and
being.

1160
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,320
Intrinsically part of know
you've got to do this yeah I.

1161
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,520
Mean you literally did lunchtime
duty this week and I don't care.

1162
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,680
And I'm like absolutely has it a
favour because the head teacher

1163
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,680
need to do something and he
asked if anyone wouldn't mind.

1164
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,920
Of course we don't mind because
you're.

1165
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,840
A nice human being.
Yeah.

1166
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Exactly.
Exactly that.

1167
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,360
Exactly that.
Exactly right.

1168
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,760
OK, so let's let's look at a few
others.

1169
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,360
That was the big one.
But whilst we were there, why

1170
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,360
not look at our rights properly?
So everyone and our audience

1171
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,040
knowing their rights makes me so
happy.

1172
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,920
It really does, because I know
it can unlock so much joy for

1173
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,680
people when they realise they
don't have to do something and

1174
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,960
they can spend more time with
their children.

1175
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,640
That's my favourite thing ever.
So.

1176
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Or you know, not even their
children.

1177
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,040
You can go and play pickleball.
Or even more time doing things

1178
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,160
that are actually effective in
your job.

1179
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Honestly sometimes the reason I
say no to these things because

1180
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,360
I'm like, can I just have a bit
more time to just plan good

1181
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,120
lessons instead?
Not in honesty.

1182
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,240
Like I'm not even going to go
home.

1183
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,000
I just want to do something
that's actually good for the job

1184
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400
rather than just rubbish.
Well, we recently did a reel

1185
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,960
about Appa in a school where
they got a whole day every week

1186
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,200
and it was so effective and I
think that was amazing.

1187
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,480
I think that's where we should
move towards.

1188
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,720
But let's take a look at the
contract.

1189
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,960
Contract, the minimum that we
should be expecting.

1190
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,720
So I'm going to read the whole
paragraph to you.

1191
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,000
Yeah, all teachers who
participate in the teaching of

1192
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,800
pupils are entitled to
reasonable periods of planning,

1193
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,840
preparation and assessment.
That's what we mean when we say

1194
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,120
PPA.
And this is, this is so

1195
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,720
important.
This is part of the 1265 hours.

1196
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,160
So when you're adding up your
directed time, you include your

1197
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,880
PPA because PPA is 10% of that
of the teaching time.

1198
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,240
So and that should be prior to
equivalent, for example, if

1199
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,840
you're part time etcetera.
And that should be to discharge

1200
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,560
the professional
responsibilities of teaching and

1201
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,520
assessment.
It must be provided in units of

1202
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,840
no less than half an hour, but
it can be split.

1203
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,040
This is what the contract says.
It can be split rubbish.

1204
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,640
So no, no less than half an hour
and it should, it must amount to

1205
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,160
no less than 10% of the teachers
timetabled teaching time, again

1206
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,600
counting PPA.
So look at your work week when

1207
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,880
there's teaching time, 10% of
that has to be a minimum where

1208
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,920
reason to be appropriate and
agreed by both the individual

1209
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,120
teacher and head teacher.
PPA can be taken in one weekly

1210
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,120
unit, which is very common for
primary school.

1211
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Secondary school it's much
harder because you have periods

1212
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,160
and you often get an odd period
every now and then and it can

1213
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,720
this is in the contract this is
in the contract everyone it can

1214
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,960
be taken away from the school
site That's interesting.

1215
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,200
So if your if your school says
no, sorry, that's not allowed.

1216
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,200
That's not the right answer.
Actually it's completely

1217
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,240
allowed.
It's in your contract.

1218
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,200
The school maybe have reasons
why it's not happening they.

1219
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:44,480
Don't want to?
Right.

1220
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,480
And that is very different and
they should say that they can't

1221
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,840
hide behind the fact it's not
allowed.

1222
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,960
A teacher must not be required
to carry out any other duties

1223
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,200
during the PPA time.
I look at that paragraph, I

1224
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,520
think there's a middle ground,
but I would say 90 to 95% of

1225
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,000
that is not adhered to
whatsoever.

1226
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,080
Do you think in terms of, I
couldn't believe it when I put

1227
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,360
a, a poll out there on our
Instagram?

1228
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,560
We've worked in schools where
PPA time genuinely is quite

1229
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,000
sacred and we get it back and
it's just how it is.

1230
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,560
But I've worked in a school as
well where it's the end of time

1231
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,360
and the, the school have said,
sorry, no one gets PPA this week

1232
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,360
because we're off on Friday and
it's not fair for everyone to

1233
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,680
some people to get it and some
people to not.

1234
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,720
So you don't get it this week
that happened.

1235
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,160
That's that's completely against
that.

1236
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,720
I've also worked in schools
where I look at other people's

1237
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,960
PPA and it's and it's seen as
time to book stuff in.

1238
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,080
What do you?
Mean we've got PPA, so I've got

1239
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,240
parent meeting.
I know you've got PPA today, so

1240
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,800
I've booked it in for 1:00 PM.
Oh, I see.

1241
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,320
So people directing your time
exactly when it says hang on,

1242
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,760
what was?
It the bottom 1 teacher must not

1243
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,000
must.
Not be required to carry out

1244
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,880
Must not be required to carry
out any other duties during the

1245
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,360
teachers PPA time.
So basically it can't be

1246
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,680
directed.
No, can't be directed.

1247
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,040
They can't direct you what to do
in.

1248
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,000
Your and that's where people get
confused about why is it part of

1249
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,680
directed time.
It can't be directed, yeah, so

1250
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,040
it's slightly confusing, but it
is part of what you count.

1251
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,760
But in that time it is set.
Yeah, you're being directed to

1252
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,920
have PPA, but they can't tell
you what to do during.

1253
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,720
It it's honestly, yeah, really,
isn't it literally.

1254
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,600
Yeah.
So I couldn't believe, by the

1255
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,280
way, though, on the poll, how
many teachers don't have

1256
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,160
guaranteed PPA time every week?
Yeah.

1257
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,640
What is that about?
It gets to the start of the week

1258
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,440
and they have to look and check
where the cover is.

1259
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,400
And, and this I don't have
anything that was mentioned

1260
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,280
here.
Actually, they have to plan and

1261
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,560
provide cover for that PPA.
Yeah.

1262
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Whereas again, our PPA sports
coaches come in and do it or we

1263
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,920
don't prep or assess anything.
Yeah.

1264
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,720
Yeah, I didn't mention that
here, did it.

1265
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,520
But I've I've heard from every
teacher ever online like to the

1266
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,880
point where I'm very confident
this is true that you are.

1267
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,800
It is not allowed that you have
to.

1268
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,040
You have to plan and prepare for
what happens during your PPA

1269
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,200
time.
I wonder if that's somewhere

1270
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,240
else in the document we missed
it.

1271
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,440
Yeah, I don't know, maybe.
But again, it doesn't say here

1272
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,560
either that it is a set time.
No, no, no.

1273
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,480
So it's so they're not, they're
not going against the rules when

1274
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,600
they do that.
It's just, it's just rubbish.

1275
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,840
Them giving you like 4 half an
hour blocks, yeah, across the

1276
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,120
week technically is OK.
Yeah, in a, in my primary

1277
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,480
school, there's nothing stopping
them from doing that.

1278
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,840
It would just suck it.
Would just be awful, but, but,

1279
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,680
but I think the big one for me
is, and I would implore anyone

1280
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,280
who works in a school to do this
is to actually work out what 10%

1281
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,560
of your timetable is.
Yeah, yeah.

1282
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,480
And just see, because for
example, in a primary school,

1283
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,280
the morning tends to be top
loaded a bit.

1284
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:15,160
So you do English and maths in
the morning.

1285
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,320
And if you add up the hours of
teaching there and compare it to

1286
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,440
the hours in the afternoon, it's
not actually 5050, No.

1287
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,760
So when you have 10% of a week,
it's half a day out of the five

1288
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,920
days, right.
And very often in a primary

1289
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,440
school, your PPA will be your
afternoon.

1290
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,280
If you actually add up the time,
you'll be surprised.

1291
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,600
For example, in our school, we
get additional PPA at times

1292
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,840
throughout the time to account
for this.

1293
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,240
So this isn't necessarily a
problem, but if you look at our

1294
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,400
timetable in the morning, we're
doing something like 3 hours or

1295
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,600
three hours, something of of
teaching time.

1296
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,560
And in the afternoon we're doing
just over 2 hours that that's

1297
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,560
not 50%.
No, it's not.

1298
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,000
So when you get your two hours
out, that's not ten.

1299
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,480
You know what, let's just pick
up our school for a second

1300
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,240
because actually there was a
time when we didn't get

1301
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,760
additional PPA.
And do you know what happened?

1302
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,560
It wasn't our head teacher being
cruel and being like, ha, ha,

1303
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,120
I've given you 9% and got away
with it.

1304
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,160
What happened was we just did
exactly what we're advising you

1305
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,000
to do.
We added up our direct of time,

1306
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,600
checked all that.
We checked our PPA, realised we

1307
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,560
were getting like 8 1/2 percent
PPA rather than 10% because of

1308
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,200
exactly this.
Our afternoons are shorter than

1309
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,000
our mornings.
And we took that evidence to our

1310
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,600
head teacher and he was like,
OK, I'll do something about it

1311
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,280
and did something about it.
In all honesty, that that is it.

1312
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,200
And it wouldn't have happened
unless we did that because you

1313
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,200
know what, our head teacher's
busy.

1314
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,120
He's doing a million other
things, but he just, he didn't

1315
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,040
even cross his mind to check
PPA.

1316
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,640
Why would it?
And actually what happened was

1317
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,280
we'd slightly extended our
school day in the morning

1318
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,120
slightly and it was like, oh,
hang on a minute because now I'm

1319
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,640
doing even more time with the
children and actually like, and

1320
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,800
that's what made us prompt us to
be like, are we in the right now

1321
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,600
PPA?
And we weren't.

1322
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,920
And now we do because he gives
us an extra like additional.

1323
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,160
PPA every term they get a
morning out.

1324
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:43,960
They get a whole extra morning
out, which just makes up for

1325
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,960
that extra like one 1 1/2%.
And it's like, yeah, it's not,

1326
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,720
it's not.
You know, maybe there's better

1327
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,560
solutions out there, but I don't
care because they didn't ignore

1328
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,760
it and it all it took was just
someone checking it.

1329
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,600
So check it in your school.
You might be surprised to find

1330
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
out that the head teachers more
than willing to sort that out

1331
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,120
because it's a complete legal
requirement and they just

1332
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,120
haven't thought about it so.
Almost so rarely in these

1333
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,600
situations, it's on being
malicious in these situations.

1334
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,880
I think with the workload thing
we talked about earlier, I think

1335
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,320
there's not really an
understanding of it too much

1336
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,000
where people do genuinely think
that it's OK to say, yeah, do

1337
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,040
the work at the weekend, this
thing.

1338
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,160
Says I worked at the most toxic
school on the planet in the past

1339
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,440
and even they even they realised
that they did exactly the same

1340
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,240
thing and gave everyone an extra
like half an afternoon out every

1341
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:27,680
two weeks or something like that
to make sure that the 10% PPA

1342
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,960
time minimum was it here.
But it was called additional

1343
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,440
PPA, wasn't it?
Additional, Yeah.

1344
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Did you do your favour?
They did it though.

1345
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480
Yeah, for that school,
completely.

1346
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Absolutely.
And there was one thing that

1347
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,520
caught your, caught your eye,
wasn't there?

1348
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,040
Here, we're gonna talk about
TLRS in a second quickly, but

1349
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,320
very, very, very quickly.
Work life balance is literally

1350
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,160
mentioned here.
You just wanted to nod to it,

1351
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,360
really.
Quick yeah, just really quickly

1352
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,680
because we we did a whole a
whole episode on we've done

1353
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,640
we've done loads of stuff on
work life balance, but I'm just

1354
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,600
gonna read a bit of this for
you.

1355
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,560
So it said in a whole paragraph
by itself literally called work

1356
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,160
life balance.
Governing bodies and head

1357
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,080
teachers and carrying out their
duties must have it must have

1358
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,440
regard to the need for the head
teacher and teachers at the

1359
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,440
school to be able to achieve a
satisfactory balance between the

1360
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,800
time required to discharge their
professional duties.

1361
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,640
Including in particular in the
case of teachers who up to whom

1362
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,600
in the previous paragraphs apply
their duties under the previous

1363
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,560
paragraphs and the time required
to pursue their personal

1364
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,640
interests outside work.
So I'm probably should just skip

1365
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,720
to that.
Sorry, no, but everything we've

1366
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:22,720
mentioned is all their
paragraphs.

1367
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,840
Yeah, that's what it's right.
But that's here.

1368
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,000
The time required to pursue
their personal interests outside

1369
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,280
work, I thought was I'd never
expected to see it nod to the

1370
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,520
fact that we shouldn't actually
be like, making a system where

1371
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,320
the additional work actually
impacts what teachers would like

1372
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,080
to do in their personal life
outside of school.

1373
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,440
And I'm so glad they put that in
there.

1374
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,560
It's kind of like, as it has a
bit of a, a nod to the fact

1375
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,760
because that happens a lot,
doesn't it?

1376
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,400
You've mentioned the classic
anecdote of, oh, OK, yeah,

1377
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,720
sorry, I'll cancel my football
tonight because you now need me

1378
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,760
to do this thing, which is just
an unreasonable amount of work

1379
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,400
that has to be done by tomorrow.
No, you can be like, oh, no,

1380
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,040
I've got football tonight.
You can actually say, oh, no, I

1381
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,480
can't do that.
I can't do that tonight.

1382
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,320
I'd love to help you but I can't
do it tonight because I've

1383
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,720
actually got I've got squash
booked with my mate.

1384
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,360
Yeah, and I did it every week.
And it's it's it's it's it's mad

1385
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,840
that you even have to have this
conversation with me.

1386
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,680
But it's like, no, sorry, that's
I'm a human actually.

1387
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,920
And I don't live to work, so
I've got this type of thing to

1388
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:13,440
do.
But you could be.

1389
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,480
Confident in saying it now?
Yeah.

1390
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,120
I wouldn't have been confident
saying that years ago.

1391
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,120
I would have just cancelled the
thing and think and thought, oh,

1392
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,040
well, that's a luxury of mine.
No, no, it's not.

1393
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,760
It's just a right?
Yeah, 52.4, if you want to get

1394
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,760
to the actual part, we're going
to talk very, very briefly.

1395
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,160
I want to just very briefly talk
about admin tasks quickly

1396
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,960
because we've done a whole
episode in this, so I don't

1397
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,520
think we need to go into much
detail here.

1398
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,440
But just beware, there is a
whole Annex 5 in the STP CD or

1399
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,840
which I around to call it, which
is the annex, the list of things

1400
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,040
which teachers should not do.
It's administration and dealing

1401
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,320
with an external examination.
So you shouldn't be asked to

1402
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,920
invigilate for external
examinations.

1403
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,760
And if it's an admin task, you
shouldn't be expected as a

1404
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,120
teacher to do that.
Go and look at episode 7723,

1405
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,120
things that should not be
expected from teachers because

1406
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,800
we go through that whole list.
We're not going to do that again

1407
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,000
here.
Very interesting list as.

1408
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,160
Well, but one thing we did want
to mention is that it actually

1409
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,440
outlines in this document what
questions you should ask before

1410
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,040
doing a task because that annex
is not exhaustive.

1411
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,160
It's examples of things you
shouldn't do.

1412
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,480
So, Hayden, do you want to read
the three questions that we

1413
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,080
should be asking ourselves?
Should me as a teacher be doing

1414
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,400
this job?
Yeah, I like the first one.

1415
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,880
Makes me laugh because I know
they answer me for a lot of

1416
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,280
things.
So a question one does it.

1417
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,800
Need a.
Question 11 dot.

1418
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,280
Number A.
Number a, Does it need to be

1419
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,640
done at all?
That's a big one because a lot

1420
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,080
of people could be like, well,
it's not going to impact

1421
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,320
anything, so no.
I think, I think we have a huge

1422
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,160
problem in primary school of
never being willing just to not

1423
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,080
do something.
I think it would be so powerful

1424
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,000
if we have that attitude where
sometimes we cannot do

1425
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,280
something.
I mean, it's a great question to

1426
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,800
ask.
Does it, do you need to trim

1427
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,440
that paper or could they just
have it one between two?

1428
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440
Oh yeah, actually, thanks.
Well, that's cut down that admin

1429
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,480
task.
The next one is is the task of

1430
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,480
an administrative or clerical
nature?

1431
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,720
I think that's it.
Some people might say that's

1432
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,000
vague.
I don't really think I think

1433
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,040
that's a good question to.
Ask well, even the paragraph

1434
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,240
above it, it, it mentions about
how there's lots of things are a

1435
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,240
bit of a mixture, like writing,
like doing reports.

1436
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:05,240
Sure.
End of school reports.

1437
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:06,800
It's like, well, it kind of is
clerical.

1438
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,440
So OK, let's pull out the
clerical bit.

1439
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,000
You don't need to do that, but
you need to write the report,

1440
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,720
but someone else is going to put
them in envelopes for you.

1441
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:13,040
Precisely that kind of thing.
Right.

1442
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,440
So you can really start to hone
in on what this task is that

1443
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,440
you'll be required to do.
And the third question is, does

1444
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,920
it call for the exercise of a
teacher's professional skills or

1445
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,720
judgement?
Yeah.

1446
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,760
And I guess if the answers are
no to these things, then it's

1447
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,600
like then you, you don't and
there's no requirement of you to

1448
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,600
do this whatsoever.
But like you said it, you know,

1449
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,640
it, it's, you've got to have a
little bit of what's the word

1450
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,920
I'm looking for?
Like case by case, you know what

1451
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,280
I mean?
Like there's some, some things

1452
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,560
nuance, a bit of nuance, maybe
it's a little bit clerical, but

1453
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,960
it will also take me 10 seconds
and it will save the office

1454
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,880
staff another 20 minutes.
I don't know, like there's some

1455
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,880
things where I'm like, OK, but I
will just do this thing.

1456
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,080
But I'm not going to do that
though, because that's

1457
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,120
ridiculous.
The organisation of the task

1458
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,400
being passed to someone else
might take longer than the task

1459
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,560
itself.
Yeah, I tried.

1460
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,520
So I worked at a school once and
it was so instead of school trip

1461
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,120
so it was.
Yeah, I remember that.

1462
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,600
Yeah.
And I did nothing wrong with

1463
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,840
this process, by the way, but it
almost didn't really save time,

1464
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,120
which was like, if you want to
do a school trip, you have to

1465
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,760
you had to like, fill in this
form to the school trip.

1466
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,600
And filling in the form honestly
took me longer than if I'd just

1467
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,720
rung them myself.
Genuinely, it was, I might as

1468
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,200
well just ring them and see if I
can put this space.

1469
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,840
Sure.
Like it didn't, hilariously

1470
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,640
didn't save me time because they
were trying to do the policy of,

1471
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,760
well, that's a clerical thing,
you know, booking a trip.

1472
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,840
So you just need to give the
information to our office staff

1473
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,160
and they all book it.
And I was like, I might as well

1474
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:23,920
just do it.
Yeah.

1475
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,240
So there are some.
Things there are parts where

1476
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,880
teachers we don't.
We're not scared of work, we're

1477
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,480
just trying to be sensible.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1478
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,960
The last thing I wanted to talk
about them is just TLRS.

1479
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,920
So last thing here, teaching,
learning, responsibility.

1480
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,000
That's what a TLR is, and this
is an extra for payment that is

1481
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840
designed to reward.
I say reward.

1482
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,200
Just renumerate.
Yeah.

1483
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,560
Is the word for doing a job if
you go above and beyond being a

1484
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,360
classroom teacher.
So.

1485
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,560
The relevant body may award ATLR
payment to a classroom teacher

1486
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,640
for undertaking a sustained
additional responsibility for

1487
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,440
the purpose of ensuring the
continued delivery of high

1488
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,240
quality teaching and learning
and for which the teacher is

1489
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,240
made accountable.
So what what we're saying here

1490
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,040
is if you are a class teacher,
you are already holding yourself

1491
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,520
up to a really high standard.
If you are asked to do a

1492
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,120
sustained additional
responsibility, for example,

1493
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,080
leading a year group, for
example leading a subject,

1494
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,800
maths, English etcetera.
If you are doing that job as

1495
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,440
well, then you should be
renumerated for that to allow

1496
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,320
for the continued delivery of
high quality teaching because if

1497
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,440
you're not, you're going to
become burnt out, etcetera, and

1498
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,480
you have some reward for doing
that job.

1499
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,160
Unqualified teachers may not be
awarded TLRS.

1500
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,920
So straight away it's just like,
yeah, cool, OK, fair enough.

1501
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,800
But that goes into the whole
system of how unqualified

1502
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,800
teachers are asked to do way too
much and just taking advantage

1503
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:41,480
of.
Very weird.

1504
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Of course.
I think the point here is we're

1505
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,960
going to go through what TLRS
are.

1506
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,760
There are three bands for TLR.
I'll come to you in a second,

1507
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,440
but all I wanted to say about
TLRS in the 1st place is, and

1508
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,120
the fact they're in this
contract might be enough for a

1509
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,040
lot of people listening to be
able to go to their head to say

1510
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,480
I'm doing a sustained additional
responsibility.

1511
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,400
And it literally says here that
I should be awarded.

1512
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,400
But do you know what it says?
Teachers may award another mode

1513
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,920
of verb.
Yeah, another little get out

1514
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,200
where I can see someone pointing
to a may be award.

1515
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,000
Says maybe and maybe not.
That means so actually get out

1516
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:14,840
of my office.
Yeah.

1517
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,200
My bit.
Award.

1518
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,960
So what are your thoughts?
Here just how I've always, since

1519
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,600
day one of teaching, even when I
was a bit nervous, you know,

1520
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:23,880
more anxious about mentioning
anything.

1521
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,120
I've always thought TLRS were a
joke.

1522
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,240
I've always looked at them and
thought, what on earth is this

1523
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,800
system?
It's such nonsense.

1524
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,680
It's such nonsense.
Not that I think that no one

1525
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,760
should get paid a TLRI, just
think the wording, which we'll

1526
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,240
go for in a minute.
Like even just that, the first

1527
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,480
paragraph, I'm like, what is it
talking about?

1528
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,760
Why is this so unclear?
So we're going to go through the

1529
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,040
three different types of TLR you
can get and we'll give some

1530
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,240
examples, I guess of job roles
where people get these sorts of

1531
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,280
things typically in schools.
So there's a TLR one, there's a

1532
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,760
TLR one, TLR 2, TLR 3, and they
have different pay bands that

1533
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,880
can be awarded with them.
A TLR one going to be the first

1534
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,800
part, sorry.
Having decided to award a TLR,

1535
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,880
the relevant body must determine
whether to award a first TLR,

1536
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,800
TLR, one, a second or a third in
accordance with its pay policy.

1537
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,640
Well, do you know what I did too
much Really Interesting.

1538
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,640
It actually only says you should
decide between one or two,

1539
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,800
actually, if you're doing, if
you're getting a TLR 3 in my

1540
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,520
head, yeah.
Because if you're doing a TLR

1541
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,520
right, it should only be TLR one
or TLR two, Yeah.

1542
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,640
This one has existed.
They only existed like there was

1543
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,920
a point in time.
I remember I think when I

1544
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,760
started teaching TLR 3 was quite
new.

1545
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,160
Yeah, Yeah, it's quite well.
Let's TLR one or 2 is is for

1546
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,800
what we've just said.
So what are the bands there for?

1547
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,320
TLR so TLR 1, and that's
something like safeguarding

1548
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,000
lead, honestly, like what's it
called?

1549
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,320
You know, like Senko.
Yeah, you know, being a Senko of

1550
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,240
your school. 9782, so nearly
10,000 up to 16 and a half, 1000

1551
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,000
lbs.
Like it's a big, big, big chunk

1552
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,360
of money for your sustained
additional responsibility

1553
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,400
outside of being a classroom
teacher.

1554
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,920
So it's a big job.
Big job TLR 2 is 3 1/2 thousand

1555
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,640
to just over 8000.
So again, it's still a good

1556
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,960
chunk, but reasonable.
But every single TLR?

1557
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,760
Every single TLR should come
under these two bands, Yeah,

1558
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,440
based on this contract.
And based on what?

1559
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,680
What you should for, for
sustained additional

1560
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,800
responsibility, like what we've
mentioned, what's the sustained

1561
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,960
additional responsibility being
the year leader?

1562
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,720
Yeah, you're going to do that
for the year.

1563
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,160
That's part of your contract.
Sustained.

1564
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,320
The point is it's not even a
year.

1565
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,840
It's if you're head of year,
you're head of year.

1566
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,360
You're not, you're not doing it
until the end of the year.

1567
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,720
You're gonna be head of year
next year as well.

1568
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,480
It's sustained.
If you're head of mass, you're

1569
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:15,680
just head of maths.
So you're head of English,

1570
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,880
You're just head.
Of because you're not told, are

1571
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:17,840
you?
You're gonna be head of year

1572
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,600
till the end of year when I'm
you're not going to be head of

1573
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,920
year exactly.
How it works?

1574
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,800
But this is where TLR 3 was
invented.

1575
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,960
TLR 3 specific came in for a
fixed term and it was, I'll read

1576
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,560
it to you.
So the relevant body may award a

1577
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,280
fixed term TLR 3 to a classroom
teacher for a clearly time

1578
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,240
limited school improvement
projects or one off extremely

1579
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,760
driven responsibilities.
So the TLR 3 was brought in,

1580
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,800
let's say your school had its
school improvement plan and

1581
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,320
phonics was something that
really needs focused on.

1582
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,040
OK, cool.
I'm going to give you TLR three,

1583
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,200
six months.
You're going to leave this.

1584
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,040
Let's make it fantastic.
Then you're going to come off it

1585
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,000
because we've done that.
And it will be additional,

1586
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:51,600
that's the.
Point.

1587
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,760
It's additional and it's for a
fixed term.

1588
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,200
So three brought in and it was
between 675 lbs to no greater

1589
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,960
than 3 1/2.
And the point was, it was just

1590
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:01,680
to do a quick job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1591
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,040
This is literally in your
contract, okay?

1592
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,000
It's literally in your contract
and I'm gonna be completely

1593
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,680
transparent now.
Any time I've ever received the

1594
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,680
TLR for leading maths etcetera,
it's always been ATLR 3

1595
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,640
incorrectly.
I don't know anyone who is a

1596
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,160
head of year that isn't on ATLR
3.

1597
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,280
And it's wrong.
It is, it is.

1598
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,960
And I'm, I'm sorry, the schools
might be doing it for reasons

1599
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,240
because they don't have enough
money, etcetera.

1600
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:29,400
If you're on ATLR 3 and it's not
a short, clearly time limited

1601
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,720
school improvement project or
one off driven responsibility,

1602
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,000
it is incorrect that you're on
TLR three.

1603
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,440
You should be on at least TLR 2.
That is literally what it says

1604
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,760
in the contract.
And I would say this is the most

1605
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,240
glaringly, obviously wrong part
of our system right now because

1606
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,120
it always comes back to okay,
cool, okay, well you won't get a

1607
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,800
TLR.
Then yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean

1608
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:49,920
yeah, a lot of schools just
don't.

1609
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,080
You don't even get a TLR for the
thing that people do in other

1610
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,760
schools anyway.
Again it goes back to the whole

1611
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,800
broken system of like why are
schools not, why is it not

1612
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,000
systemic?
Why it's not the same?

1613
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,200
Why can I go to one school and
do five hours more of work a

1614
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,360
week and not get paid to TLR
when I can go to another school,

1615
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,400
do the same job five hours less
and get a TLR.

1616
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,320
It doesn't make any sense why
that should be possible.

1617
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,760
But I agree TLR threes get
abused and used for everything.

1618
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,480
I never see anyone on ATLR one
or two.

1619
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,840
Maybe the same code is about it
is anyone I ever see.

1620
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Sometimes a class teacher is the
is the is the same code as well.

1621
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,200
But all heads of years, all
heads of subjects are either not

1622
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,760
on ATLR or they're on ATLR 3.
And I know what schools will say

1623
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,800
because at the top band.
So TLR 3, by the way, we didn't

1624
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,240
clarify, can go from 675 lbs up
to 3344.

1625
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,240
So the top whack for TLR 3,
which is generally what teachers

1626
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,040
get given for head of year or
head of a subject.

1627
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,040
The top band is only like, what
is it ��50 less than the start of

1628
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,080
ATLR 2?
So if they put you on ATLR 2,

1629
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,920
they're probably like, OK, fine,
you're on ATLR 2.

1630
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,680
It's actually 50 lbs.
It'll put you on the bottom rung

1631
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,040
of that one instead.
But it might be that it's just

1632
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,320
for for the schools.
I can imagine why they play this

1633
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,240
system with TLR threes.
I bet it's easy to take them

1634
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,480
away from people and say oh it's
a fixed term thing, you're not

1635
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:54,640
ahead of maths anymore, someone
else's.

1636
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,400
But I bet with TLR two, it's
like written into your contract

1637
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,160
that you've got this
responsibility now, much harder

1638
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,680
to take away.
So I can see why people at

1639
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,520
schools will abuse them and not
feel so bad because they know

1640
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,080
it's basically the same amount
of money anyway.

1641
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,760
But but but but it's only the
It's only the basically the same

1642
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,920
amount of money if you're
willing to on a scale of 3400

1643
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,440
lbs at the bottom of TLR 2 to
nearly 17,000 on a top of TLR

1644
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,320
one.
It's only nearly the same if you

1645
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,680
ignore that band.
You just go over the lowest

1646
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:19,560
amount.
It's insane.

1647
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,520
But you know what?
And it opens up.

1648
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,720
People listen to this.
And we're like, yeah, but

1649
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,840
schools have no money.
We know, You know, we're not

1650
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,960
here blind to the fact that
schools have.

1651
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,640
Money.
But, you know, we're, we're

1652
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,200
sorry.
We're, we're the ones who are

1653
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,040
being.
Rinsed for it, Exploited for

1654
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:31,520
that.
Exactly.

1655
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,560
Yeah.
Schools don't have any money.

1656
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:33,720
Cool.
I don't have infinite time.

1657
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:34,600
I I do.
You know what?

1658
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,600
My child.
My child is only going to be

1659
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,240
under 4 for four years.
Yeah.

1660
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,440
Do you know what I mean?
Like, why?

1661
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,360
Why does that get taken?
So I get to spend that time, do

1662
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,000
I?
Because the schools don't have

1663
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,360
any money.
OK, government, give them more

1664
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:46,920
money.
I don't.

1665
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,600
I don't care how you do it.
I don't work in the government.

1666
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,760
That's not my job.
I don't get paid 90 grand a year

1667
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,200
to figure out the budget along
with fifty other members of

1668
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,560
staff that are all trying to do
the same thing.

1669
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,720
You do your job for 90 grand a
year and make it so that I don't

1670
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,160
have to sacrifice the time of my
child, which is extremely

1671
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,640
limited because you can't afford
to pay me to do the job.

1672
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,760
I don't care at that point.
Absolutely true.

1673
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,400
You, you couldn't have said it
better myself.

1674
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,400
It, it is not our personal
responsibility as teachers to

1675
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,360
pick up the Flack for systemic
failures and exploitation of our

1676
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,880
working rights.
You should know your working

1677
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,000
rights.
You can be an unbelievable

1678
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,600
teacher, the best teacher for
your kids, teach amazing

1679
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,200
lessons, have bonds with your
children that make them feel

1680
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,600
safe, provide them with the
safeguarding they need.

1681
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,240
Do every single part of your job
amazingly and go home and not

1682
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,680
work in the evening and spend
time with your family because as

1683
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,440
soon as that is something that
is taken away, whether it's time

1684
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,640
with your family or time playing
badminton or time sitting on the

1685
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,240
sofa watching Netflix, it
doesn't matter.

1686
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,000
It's your time.
You're a human being, you're

1687
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,760
entitled to it, get over it.
Other people trying to tell us

1688
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,320
what to do because at the end of
the day, everything we just said

1689
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,520
is in our contract.
Every interpretation of this

1690
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,640
contract by us is valid.
You can have your own

1691
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,080
interpretations, but don't put
them on me.

1692
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,320
And remember you're wrong if
it's the key take.

1693
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,360
I'm really joking I thought I
make it my light hearted but you

1694
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,200
know I I enjoyed the episode and
I hope you enjoy it as well.

1695
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,760
There's so much more you can
read just just check.

1696
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,560
Just literally Google the St or
STP CD.

1697
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,240
I think it's the YMCA.
The YMCA.

1698
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,520
Just Google the YMCA for
teachers and have just fill it

1699
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,760
for the document.
You know what Chuck it into

1700
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,240
ChatGPT and get it to tell you
what you want to read it.

1701
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,920
You can just be like, tell me
about my.

1702
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,280
Rights Chuck in the STCPD into
ChatGPT FYI.

1703
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,360
Wow OMG OMG baby.
Wow, the kids gonna think we're

1704
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,720
so cool.
Oh guys, thank you so much for

1705
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,920
listening.
Please, I know I've said it

1706
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:39,800
before, but please, it makes
such a difference when you give

1707
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,760
us a review.
It's amazing when we see that it

1708
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,560
goes up.
And if you do enjoy it and we

1709
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,560
see the amount of people
listening every week, it's just

1710
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:46,800
not the same as the reviews we
have.

1711
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,440
So if you would, we would really
really appreciate it and send us

1712
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,600
a message.
We love hearing your thoughts.

1713
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,240
And share it with a mate.
I'll see you next time.