Ep 101: Why Do So Many People Hate Teachers?

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Hello everyone, and welcome back
to another episode of Teach the

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Repeat.
My name is Dylan.

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And my name's Hayden.
Episode 1, O1.

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We've done 100.
Yeah.

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Celebration's over.
Yeah, Bit of an anticlimax in

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the end.
Yeah, we just did a normal

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episode.
Yeah, we're just doing 3 digits

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now, and it's the next one.
Like we said, powers of 10.

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That's what we celebrate.
Yeah, yeah.

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Not celebrate 200.
No, yeah, there's no point, is

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there?
1000 we'll get to like 809

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hundred and still be like
rubbish.

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What's 1000 like?
There's fifty weeks of the year,

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so 1000 will take us about 20
years do.

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You reckon anyone's got to 1000?
Yeah, yeah, they have just.

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From sharing it like one a day.
Yeah, but they probably do a

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podcast every day.
Yeah, like I said, like a radio

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show.
Anyway, it's been half term, so

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we're back now.
If you're in Wales, I think

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you're half term's now, so well
done.

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You managed to get an extra week
in.

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We're back at work, but we just
had half term.

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How was it?
Was it good?

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Yeah, it was good.
Try to summarise it.

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Yeah, Don't waffle on, do we?
No, when I'm don't know.

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Waffle on do we 100 episodes in.
Don't waffle on I.

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Was about to say we went up
north.

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That's what you did.
Spoiler alert.

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Well, to be fair, anywhere we
did is probably north.

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I did go in the north direction.
I went to Cambridge for a few

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days.
That was quite nice.

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Yep, central Cambridge.
Lovely, beautiful architecture.

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You know you're old when you
really, really start to

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appreciate the building.
Buildings.

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Nice.
I was standing there and awe.

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Check out that arch.
Yeah, it's like.

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Look and I always go.
They must must be so boring

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being with me always.
Like can you just imagine being

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there when they built this?
I always, I feel like I always

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say that because I'm always so
awe, like in awe from that

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you've been able to looking at
the way they.

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I can't believe they built that
without the technology we have

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these.
Names.

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You have really low expectations
of anyone born more than 100

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years ago.
How did they get their head

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around how bricks can go on top?
Of each other.

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Meanwhile, I can't screw a blind
into a lentil without losing my

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mind.
Well, I don't even know what a

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lentil.
Is there we go, There we are.

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And there's me thinking, Oh,
yeah, 100 years ago, how can

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they build that?
Years ago?

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You know, I can't even do the
basics.

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But yeah, I did that.
I had a nice time.

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Cambridge drove into a pole,
completely wrecked my car.

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Sorry, I'm doing school work.
I went to Cambridge, went to

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Cambridge.
Sorry, Mr You OK?

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Sorry.
Anyone, any listeners got this

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fight?
I don't know if you've got this

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impression remaining yet.
Very much likes his cars.

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Very much likes to think he's a
bit of a a guru on the road.

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You drove into a pulp Pulse
famously don't move.

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So I'm wondering how you managed
to do that?

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Well, this one did.
It's, well, it depends.

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It's relativity, isn't it?
Or you could say it moves.

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Or you could say I moved into
it.

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From your perspective in the
car?

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Einstein might argue you
differently about how I crashed

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my car into a pole that wasn't
moving, actually.

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Do you reckon that's what
Einstein was doing?

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He did, all his work was simply
just to quite try and justify

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the fact it wasn't his fault
that he backed into someone and

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it's what he got.
I think so, because that's what

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I did, relative.
He's hurt my pride enough that I

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would do that as well.
Yeah, I don't know.

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I honestly.
I know how I know how you're

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reversed and you didn't stop.
Reversed out of space and I

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thought there's nothing behind
me and ignore the beepers on the

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car as you do because that's
what you know, that's what

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they're there for.
They're there for you to ignore

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it and be like, oh, it's just.
You're a classic dad.

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Just drove straight into where
are you going, Dad?

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Don't know.
Do you wanna look at the map?

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No, no, look at map.
Yep, north now.

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So you don't.
Do you want?

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To use it got you got sensors on
the car, Dad, do you want to use

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them?
No, it's the.

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Sun like that as well.
That's my daughter, actually,

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that's River.
She speaks like that.

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That's your 14 month old dad.
Dad, can you hear those beepers

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when something bad You've got
enough So I've I've turned into

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northern man down mine.
Oh anyway, I'm so sorry anyone

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who listens.
I moved an insulting accent, but

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yeah, drove into a thing,
wrecked the back bumper, so that

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was pretty annoying.
The trip became a lot more

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expensive when I realised I got
to replace that.

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Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep.
Other than that not really done

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any work for school which is a
bit annoying because I've now.

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Just got a way to do for school.
It's a classic.

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Don't do any work over your half
term.

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OK, what will I teach?
Yeah.

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Should I do it when I'm at work?
No, you silly man.

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You got to have that ready.
You got to do the work before

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you can work.
Oh.

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Gosh, don't.
Don't listen to that.

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Anyway, But yeah, So what about
you?

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Did you crash anything?
No, but I've I just, I was

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thinking about having my week,
but I've had a bit of a

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traumatic experience in the last
20 minutes that's made me,

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that's made me forget everything
that was I was going to say.

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So let's, let's preferences.
Are you at my house?

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You said, oh, I need to blow my
nose.

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Yeah, before we started
recording.

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He said, oh, I haven't got any
tissues in here.

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You've used them all from when
you blow your nose and the other

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ones you're constantly snotty.
Apparently I'm all right now.

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That's.
Good, I can tell from my voice.

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Let's.
Go ahead and edit this podcast

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52 times.
Just head out.

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You're snotting the last ones
anyway, so I've got a tissue.

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You have to go to the toilet.
Yeah.

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What happened?
Deal.

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Funny enough, I went to the
toilet.

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So you've recently had your
toilet done?

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Yeah, it's actually really nice.
I've got to say.

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It's done to a really nice
standard.

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Spent a lot of money on that.
And, you know, you saved your

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money.
Couldn't be bothered to get a

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lock for it, but it looks great.
It looks fantastic.

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No lock, though, on the toilet.
So I go down, you open the door,

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the door opens.
Yeah.

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When a toilet door opens without
any kind of, you know, pushback,

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you think, well, it's free,
isn't it?

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No.
Your girlfriend's having the

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toilet.
Yeah, on the toilet.

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Having a.
Into a job I heard from here was

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her going oh hello.
I can imagine how embarrassed

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she was.
Obviously I've got my heart

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dropped and I haven't moved
quickly enough down the stairs,

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yeah.
Yeah.

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So after all that.
Yeah, the last week, both, both

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horribly embarrassed.
Yeah.

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The rest of the week, we're both
embarrassed.

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All I can hear is you cackling.
And here it's fun running around

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trying to find out what happened
like a little Pixie.

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What happened?
Yeah, Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
Other than that though, did you

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actually enjoy your time up
north because you've been gone a

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week?
Went up north.

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That's why I can do the northern
accent.

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But you can't.
Yeah, Because you've been up

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north.
No, I'm a northerner because

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you're from the north.
I'm from the north.

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So as anyone knows who's been
listening for a while, I moved

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down South when I was about 7:00
or 8:00 where down South.

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So I can do both.
That's how we're speaking to get

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away.
But yeah, yeah.

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Well, you, you're right, you
little cockney bugger.

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That's that's what my uncles
say.

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So when?
I come up there.

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Is that what they take?
Them they think my voice is

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cocktail.
I'm like, no, it's not.

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I'm just I just sound posh.
So when I go up there, I can say

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things like bath, yeah, go put
kid in bath and that's fit in

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perfect.
Do you feel at home?

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Like do the do you feel like
that's your natural state?

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Oh.
My God, I'm, If you've asked me

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this, because I've said this
before, because I've spent the

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whole week thinking honestly,
yeah, whenever I go up north,

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I'm like, this is my default,
right?

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I do I, I and I've never really
felt that.

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Even though you've been here,
it's.

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Mental, It's mental.
And I feel like with my family

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up north, I feel, and this might
be wrong because people can tell

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me how they're with their
families.

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I feel like I'm closer with my
family up north than a regular

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family are who are just around
each other all the time.

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But yeah, I go up there
honestly, and it's just like,

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I've been there all year.
Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah.
So it's really, really nice.

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And what was what was genuinely
really nice was taking Rory.

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So Rory is 16 months now.
So obviously he's walking

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around, he's talking a lot more,
he's chatty, but he's really

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inquisitive and he takes stuff
in more quickly and he can

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identify people now and stuff
like that.

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So him meeting all of our
family, that was really nice.

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And him being in places up in
him, like we were staying at my

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granddad's, that's the same
house when I was his age that

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I've got pictures of me.
Walking around, Did you recreate

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any pictures?
Yeah, a couple of pictures that

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are the same and stuff, but so
that that was like, I don't

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really get that where we're not
up north that often.

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So that was that was really nice
and we had like 5 days up there

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and it went really quickly.
So I actually really enjoyed it.

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I think sometimes people go and
see family, they don't it's like

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a chore.
Yeah, I'm like, God, I want to

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go.
We're probably going to go up,

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get an Easter.
Yeah, I worried you're just

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going to get bored, because it's
not.

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It's something about not being
in your own home, isn't there?

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That can just sometimes be a
little bit.

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Like what for the kids or for
the for?

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You like I just thought you'd
get bored after a couple of like

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a day or two.
I.

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Love being in my own home, but
equally at the minute, like, you

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know, our homes get a lot of
building work so we don't have

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to be in this room much longer.
Honestly, you've been watching

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it.
It's just like, oh, you're in

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the office, are you?
Yeah.

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It's just a little fad box room.
Hayden's trying his hardest for

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it to look nice and be be pretty
nice space to me.

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You tried pretty hard.
But we're gonna actually get

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like a nice space in my house.
I think eventually somewhere

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where we actually want to be,
somewhere we enjoy being.

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Sorry, Can.
We somewhere we're comfortable.

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Can you get out?
No, no, because I don't want to.

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This is Joe.
I will get out when that rooms.

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Done.
When that rooms done.

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Trying to play a character
there.

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Dylan, you made me laugh.
So hopefully I'm looking forward

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to it.
Yeah, I'm really looking

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forward.
To it be new space for us to

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work and we will hopefully step
up the podcast, you know, Yeah.

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I'm excited.
I like the idea that we pick

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this all up and then we have no
idea how to design something

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nice.
Looks absolutely terrible, even

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worse than my my grey wall in
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See the classic 3 pillars of
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they.
Are they represent?

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What do they represent?
I don't know they would just

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listen to this podcast.
They represent.

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They represent burnout, moaning
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Gel this one.
I hope you guys enjoyed the

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story from last last episode.
We haven't checked that episode

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100.
Go back and check it out because

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we reflected on some of our
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I've had messages from people
about that silica gel story.

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I'd I'd honestly go and listen
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Yes.
So unhinged.

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I wish we could be like that on
like on demand.

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Do you know what I mean?
Like I look back, I, I look back

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at that episode.
Funny and interesting.

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We're completely unhinged and
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look at that.
I'm like, how could you recreate

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that?
I wish we could do that every

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single episode.
Yeah, we need to probably be

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like slightly drunk because at
that point we weren't

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necessarily drunk, but we, I was
just done in on that.

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Maybe we don't sleep for three
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And then just get recorded.
Let's try that.

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It'll be the most incredibly
strange thing.

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I want to talk about one thing
because I think a lot of people,

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when we obviously started this
podcast, we talked about how our

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girlfriends fell pregnant quite
quickly.

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Yeah.
And then we had quite a few

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months where we didn't mention
it on the podcast.

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We just didn't want it to be a
thing.

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I think we almost waited until
it was about to.

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Yeah, we waited quite, quite
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And then a few people are like,
oh, this'll be cool.

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We'll hear more parenting
stories.

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That'll be fun.
And we did it for a bit and we

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kind of took a foot off the
pedal, didn't we?

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I just wanted to have a catch up
about the babies.

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So yeah, yeah.
You know, we work as teachers in

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school.
And we also have my my son is,

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let me get this right, 16 months
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And we're six weeks behind you.
Yeah, six weeks behind.

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So it's been quite a journey.
And I think for me it was the

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the travel.
So we travelled up north, that's

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a 5 hour journey of driving, but
it took us like 7 or 8 hours

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because we stopped off, we let
him get out of the car.

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We didn't want to be in the car
for too long.

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But just like travelling in
general, it seems to have like

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shifted loads as a parent
because it was, it was a

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nightmare when they were younger
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And now I feel like they're more
able to part with it and I feel

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like I'm over it a bit.
But I just was thinking back to

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when like, I remember your
stories about River.

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Oh my God.
And you'd get her in the car to

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go.
She just, she would just, she

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had a weird habit where being in
a car seat was like, oh, it's

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poo time.
So like you potty trained?

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No, no, Yeah, the potty was your
car.

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Like the first few months of my
life, she's like, oh, I don't

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need a poo, don't need a poo.
She'd say that smells because

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she could talk.
Don't need a poo data father.

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Don't need a poo father.
And and then as soon as you put

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her in the car seat, be like
you, you need a poo.

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No, You sure?
No.

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OK, I'm going to start driving
the car immediately every single

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time.
One time she literally had a poo

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like 5 minutes before we left.
Put her in the car seat.

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Had another one, had another
one.

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Just conjured it out of nowhere.
Yeah, this is insane.

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You're like, right.
I'm safe.

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Yes.
She's done her poo now.

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Doesn't matter.
Yeah, This poo machine Poo's on

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demand, baby.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
You know, if I hear the engine

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rib, my bowels are going.
I.

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Don't know what it is, Maybe
it's that.

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Do you remember when we left
Centre Parks?

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We went to Centre Parks last
year and, and I literally said I

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felt quite, quite proud of
myself and knowing the habits

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here.
I said right, we're about to

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leave Centre Parks.
I said there's no point leaving

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too quickly because before we
get to the end of the car park,

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River will have pooed again.
Oh yeah, classic.

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She does it all the time.
No, she will and she did.

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She literally did.
We parked up in another space

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before we even got out of the
car park to change her bum

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because she pooped immediately.
So fine, it's the one benefit of

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the massive centre parks car
park.

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You caught the poo.
You literally.

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Yeah, had enough time to get it
for on the motorway, honestly,

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but but pleased to say that that
doesn't seem to happen anymore.

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And actually also the screaming,
yeah, that that was a nightmare.

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So Riverhead colic, if anyone
not in the parenting world

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doesn't know what colic might
is, no one knows what colic is.

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It's just a word we used to say
when babies we scream all the

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time for no reason, constantly.
So she had that for like 3

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months at the start of her life,
horrendous, horrendously

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stressful.
So anyway, so car journeys were

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just a nightmare because we'd
just be thinking she's just

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going to scream the whole time
and we can't really do anything

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because she's in a car.
But that doesn't happen anymore.

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So we went, obviously in this
trip to Cambridge, she just kind

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of like slept half the way and
then was just awake and just sat

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there just, you know, thinking
about the world.

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Well, it's the thing I, I think
I worry and a lot of parents

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worry about kids being bored.
And I don't know if it's

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something to do with teaching
because like again, when we were

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trained to be teachers, all of
us are teachers by the way, our

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partners and ourselves.
The, the training was very much

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in the school environment we
were in, rightly or wrongly.

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And, and do you know, probably
this is the right attitude to

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have is, you know, every minute
matters kind of thing.

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Yeah, no dead time.
You're, you're, you're drilled

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in to be like, well, if you've
got 5 minutes into a lesson, you

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can do something else.
Do you know, I mean you, there's

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no dead time.
You don't waste the single

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second.
And that paired with like, oh, I

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don't want to, I need to
entertain my child at all times.

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You become scared of boredom.
And, and I think one thing I've

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learned through other people
talking about it and just my own

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experience is kids need to be
bored sometimes.

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It's like, it's the, it's the
base level.

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It's, it's where they should be
coming from constantly.

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You don't need flashing lights
constantly stimulating you on a

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tablet and stuff like that.
You know, and being bored can be

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annoying as a parent because
sometimes the children moan.

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Yeah, because they're fast.
They're fast.

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And it's, it's, you can get rid
of that by giving them something

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to placate them.
But it it is just true that it

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kids benefit from being bored.
Yeah, we are very overstimulated

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as a people, aren't we now?
Like I'm certainly completely

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indoctrinated into, I don't want
to be bored for more than 10

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seconds.
I'm bored for more than 10

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seconds.
My phone's out, I'm scrolling.

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You're scrolling.
I'm doing something because I

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have to actually do something
all the time.

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But there is, think about your
own childhood, right?

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And basically, honestly,
probably every generation,

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including us, and before there's
a very new thing, you're bored

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all the time.
There were so many times as a

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kid where I would literally, as
a classic example, be throwing a

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ball up against the ceiling and
seeing if I can lay down and

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throw it directly.
Up.

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I still do it now because it's
fun.

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I lay down the block.
Yeah.

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How good can you get at throwing
of laying on your back, throwing

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something up, seeing if you can
make it nearly touch the

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ceiling?
Yeah.

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And catching it again and not
going too off target.

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Oh my God, yeah, and and it
coming down the same path went

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up.
I do it now.

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Straight above your eye.
Honestly, God doing it now.

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Anyone watching the podcast
talking, just throwing a ball,

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I'll.
Tell you I'll show my skills.

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Ready for me?
Ready.

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Watch this.
Watch this.

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You watch this.
All the listeners watch this

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like that, you know.
Just number one, you hit the

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roof, not that number two, it
wasn't straight.

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Yeah, okay, you're fine, Yeah.
It's so true.

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I'm gonna give a quick go.
I'm gonna give it you.

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Commentate.
Yeah, well, because Devon

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throwing, he's really aiming.
Actually.

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It's gone straight up awful.
Much better than mine, though.

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Didn't hit the roof great.
But doing that sort of stuff,

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you know, it was boring.
I used to just have a table

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tennis.
Is there?

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Is there an argument in that
that's that's we shouldn't be

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promoted?
No, we.

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Should be yeah, no.
Get rid of creativity.

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Give a.
Give a.

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Ball.
Give a ball, throw a tet roof.

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Can you make it touch roof son?
Yeah, I don't know.

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That's like the rubbish version
of Kirby you're used to throw a

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ball it.
Was fun.

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Yeah, he loved that.
Wasn't even boring, that was

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fun.
Anyway, back to the original

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point.
There is something to be said,

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isn't there, about the obsession
with we cannot be bored ever?

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Yeah, like boredom is so.
And I feel like we're projecting

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that onto our children
sometimes.

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Yeah.
And he, I'm not saying I don't.

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Aren't I great.
No, I do.

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I do because I my natural
reaction is always bored.

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Give him something.
Yeah.

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Yeah, Absolutely.
You know, do you know what?

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He just existed in that car at
points for like 20 minutes

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looking around, taking stuff in.
And then he enjoyed it when he

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got out because he was buzzing,
because he could go around and

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look at stuff.
It's just part of.

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I don't know.
I just think we're a bit wrongly

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obsessed with it because of our
own habits.

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And we've got big tech whose
only job is eyes on screen.

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The only thing they care about
is increasing that time that

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we're looking at the screen so
that they build things that

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literally hack our brains with
dopamine into thinking the next

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hit will be good.
They're out.

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They're out to get us in that
respect.

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That's their job.
So I, I just, I just, I just

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worry that our kids are
sleepwalking into this world

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where they won't even get their
childhood first.

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They won't even get that what we
got first and I'm still falling

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into that trap now.
I just don't I I can't let that

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happen sooner to a 2 year old.
Well, I mean, you think two

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things.
Firstly, it's also doubled down

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by the fact, like you said, we
also work in schools where

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productivity is it has to be
100% all time.

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So we're constantly drilled into
being like, there's no dead

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time, there's no downtime, which
doesn't help being in that

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profession.
Like maybe it's the same in all

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professions, I don't know.
But also like, and there's a

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really classic like boomerish
example right here.

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But how many, you know, when you
go into a restaurant now, how

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often like do you see children
just being a bit bored?

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It's not, I'd say it's not very
often that they're typically on

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a tablet on some doing something
that's keeping stimulated at all

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times.
Because like that's, that's the

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kind of age we live in now,
though.

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And, and I'm really keen, and
this is going to sound very

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naive and I'll reflect on this
in a few years.

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I'm really, really, really,
really keen to try super hard

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to, to not revert to like phone
screens and tablet screens when

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we're out in public.
I don't know if it's going to.

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Happen.
I don't know it.

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Sounds a bit snobbish, I know.
I was literally talking to my

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auntie about this because I said
the same thing.

452
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,680
I, I do not want to judge other
parents at all, even more now

453
00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,800
that I've got my own child.
And there'll be reasons why and

454
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,760
and there'll be parents who
really didn't want to do it, but

455
00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,280
they just got.
They just have to get through

456
00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:09,839
this.
Week, I agree.

457
00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,839
But I, you know, she was saying
how with her little ones, her my

458
00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,839
cousins now they're in their
early 20s.

459
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,160
So she was saying, well when we
went out there was a lot more.

460
00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,599
There felt like a lot more for
the children to do, like they'd

461
00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,200
get a colouring pack from the
colouring pack.

462
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,240
That just doesn't exist.
Anymore and it doesn't feel like

463
00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,160
it exists.
And but her point was like,

464
00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,560
children aren't built to be sat
in a chair for two hours.

465
00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,640
That's fine for an adult to do
when you're having a

466
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,320
conversation and you're waiting
for your dinner and stuff.

467
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,800
Yeah, children aren't built to
do that.

468
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,280
Like children want to run around
and play.

469
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,680
And her her whole point was
like, I, you know, my, my kids

470
00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,320
never had these screens and
stuff, but they weren't really

471
00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,920
available then I think maybe I
would have probably turned to

472
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,080
that as at a point to just try
and keep them entertained

473
00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,920
because children aren't built
just to they're equally not

474
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,840
built just to be sat in a chair.
You can be bored for bits and

475
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,480
and, but run around being bored.
Yeah, exactly.

476
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,480
Or or explore stuff and make
your own fun out of the edge of

477
00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,920
a table or something.
Do you know what I mean?

478
00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,400
Like do something to be sat
there watching everyone else eat

479
00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,880
and like, have a conversation
where you're not built for that.

480
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,120
Her point was like, I get why
people do it.

481
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,840
I just, I wish there were other
ways to get around it or or

482
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,240
maybe like there are some
restaurants that absolutely

483
00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,920
you'd never take your kid for
whatever reason.

484
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,040
But maybe there are some spaces
where this is a.

485
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,160
This.
Is a restaurant where you take

486
00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,920
your kids and you know, your
kids are kind of free to walk

487
00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,880
around a bit.
Well, the the ultimate 1 is when

488
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,360
the restaurant has a little play
area, they've got like a ball

489
00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:25,440
pit.
You know, like classic thing.

490
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,280
Charlie Chalk So.
Yeah, yeah, even like, you know,

491
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,840
when I was a kid, the McDonald's
sit in town, it had a massive

492
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,120
play area.
So obviously if my mum was like

493
00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,720
meeting up with her friends or
something, she's looking after

494
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,440
me, she'd be like, OK, let's
just go to McDonald's.

495
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,160
Wasn't it the best time?
And I was like, brilliant.

496
00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,000
You go, You ladies can go and
chat over there.

497
00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,960
You ladies.
Yeah, you ladies, off you go, Go

498
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,640
and chat.
I want to go jump in a ball pit.

499
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,960
Tell you.
That will keep you busy for a

500
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,560
bit whilst I play.
I'll just go go to the ball bit

501
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,960
to throw a ball up as straight
as I can shake them off my head

502
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,600
that's.
Exactly that lay in the middle.

503
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,360
Make sure no other children can
come in and Chuck it.

504
00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,000
But I don't know.
We're going off on a.

505
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,520
Crazy.
No, but it's just parenting in

506
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,520
general.
Like my point is, I think God,

507
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,200
Oh my God, it's tough.
It's tough.

508
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,680
It's relentless.
I feel like it's more relentless

509
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800
now than it was when there were
little babies and like little

510
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,920
potatoes.
I feel like if I could rewind,

511
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,280
I'd be telling myself this is
the part where you have control

512
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,560
over where he goes.
This is the part where your

513
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,880
sleep might not be as good, but
you know what's coming.

514
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280
It's going to be 3 hour cycles
of sleep and feed.

515
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,080
At this.
You don't get a second.

516
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,680
No, you don't get a second with
a baby who can move themselves

517
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,320
around.
Being real, are you enjoying

518
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,840
this stage of the most?
Cuz so far in most of her life I

519
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,200
was like every stage we got up
to I was like, I enjoy this more

520
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,760
than the last stage.
Yeah, yeah.

521
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,520
Well, have you stopped that?
Overall, I think so a little

522
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,800
bit.
I find it that we're at that

523
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,440
perfect stage where she can't
really talk yet and you know,

524
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,680
she's not got that many like
motor skills to do like

525
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,800
interesting things yet, but she
can walk around now and fall

526
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,480
over all the.
Time.

527
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,720
And bump into things and pull
things and moan constantly

528
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,200
because like no, she can't
communicate properly so she's

529
00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,880
constantly like whining and
things and I'm like, oh, I think

530
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,120
I liked the previous stage a bit
more where she was still really

531
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,240
cute and fun but like maybe
couldn't run into a table and.

532
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,960
Smack her head.
I don't know.

533
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,920
I I love my kids, so it's hard.
You was going to turn it on me.

534
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,880
I would never say no.
I I completely understand what

535
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,600
you mean when I say to people
right now is that right now is

536
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,360
the toughest mentally.
Yeah.

537
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,320
And what I mean by that is you,
you genuinely don't get a

538
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,320
second.
And and when I say you don't get

539
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,520
a second, I do get a second
because Lauren might be there or

540
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,520
Nanny might be there.
However, of course, of course I

541
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,000
actually get time.
But someone has to be watched

542
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,200
because he will run and head to
butt the table.

543
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,280
Yeah, he will go and like, fall
backwards.

544
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,120
Into a wall because he's.
Experimenting.

545
00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,360
Yeah, he's experimenting stuff
like he literally me and Lauren

546
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,120
were with him the other day
playing with him and he still

547
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:46,960
managed just to turn around and
whack his head on the table.

548
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,040
Yeah, because that's just he's
just lost his balance.

549
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,480
It takes one second.
It takes one second.

550
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,280
So you're you are constantly
like on guard.

551
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,360
And he's he's going to be moving
to one nap soon.

552
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,520
Let's start with when they're
when they were napping.

553
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,720
Long naps and stuff.
Yours was.

554
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,480
I never did that.
I was like, oh God, we've got

555
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:04,520
two hours here.
Yeah.

556
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,440
And like that, that's.
But anyway, the the point is,

557
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,440
you know, anyone who's followed
their journey from becoming

558
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,120
parents and stuff, It's maybe
we'll talk about it more in the

559
00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:13,520
future.
Do like an episode about it, but

560
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,960
it's relentless, Yeah, and.
And we're a tough stage right

561
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,360
now.
I'd say I'm looking forward to

562
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,880
the next bit, which is just a
little bit more robust, can

563
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480
actually communicate a bit
better, can run around with

564
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,680
purpose, like actually maybe go
to like playground and stuff

565
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,600
like that.
So this bit is, this is tough.

566
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,680
It's just like every day, come
on, we've got to get go, get

567
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,000
through this, get up to the
next.

568
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,080
Stage Like I said, I love my kid
so.

569
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,680
I believe at that, I'd never got
up.

570
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,480
Dylan loves this child, and
apparently I don't.

571
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,080
I love my child more than
anybody.

572
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,720
I'm joking, It's like teaching,
right?

573
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,040
Why do you moans that matter
around even then?

574
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,560
Because I do, actually.
Really.

575
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,200
You were You were going to swear
that I was going to swear you.

576
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,880
Know we I didn't swear so we.
Didn't you?

577
00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,480
Didn't look to me.
I really really.

578
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840
Fudgy.
You look to me then, with those

579
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,080
editing eyes that I hate.
You know I'm about to make some

580
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,360
work for you.
Even save me or do.

581
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,120
Something for the podcast once
in a while.

582
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,360
You can't make that joke
anymore.

583
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,640
Every now and then I've got to
edit something.

584
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,960
I can't make that joke anymore.
OK, let's let's go on to.

585
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,440
You've got to ram me up.
Is that right?

586
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,600
Yeah.
And you seem to think this

587
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,160
something you mentioned in a
minute might lead on to the

588
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,760
actual point.
Yeah, I've got, I've got 2

589
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,440
little segments of Rival.
But before we do that just

590
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,120
really quick because I think
you've forgotten, I just want to

591
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,640
know because you've got, they've
had this book here the entire

592
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,920
time.
Can you please tell me what this

593
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:19,760
book?
Is and why you've got it.

594
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,400
I got a message from someone
called Sam, Sam Jones.

595
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,680
And I want to just show this
right now.

596
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,840
So if you're watching, you can
see Teaching Teachers.

597
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,320
It's this book he's made.
So Sam's only 26.

598
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:30,720
He's mid 20s.
He's a teacher.

599
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,440
I believe.
He's a teacher.

600
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,600
Yeah.
And I was really impressed just

601
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,600
in general, by anyone who
manages to find time to do

602
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,280
something like this.
The kind of thing I thought I

603
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,760
wish I did that when I was
younger, a bit more time to

604
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,600
write a book.
Well, he's done it.

605
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,120
And it's it's a book written by
teachers for teachers.

606
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,760
It's just packed with advice.
And the whole idea is, you know,

607
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,960
we've done episodes before about
what you don't learn on training

608
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:48,600
and stuff like that.
Yeah.

609
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,360
Yeah.
It's just a book that you can

610
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,720
pick up, especially if you're a
newer teacher, I think, and it's

611
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,360
just bits of advice from
teachers.

612
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,840
Right.
So each bit if I'm looking at

613
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,720
the yeah.
Exactly that you've got like the

614
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,000
he's, he's set it out.
So it's like a school day, like

615
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,640
in secondary.
So registration period, one

616
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,400
period, two period, 3 break
time.

617
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,840
But each one's got a section
like about the school, about

618
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,200
fundamentals, about exams, about
recreation and play and stuff

619
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000
and about actual teaching.
But I just thought, you know

620
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,600
what?
It's that book.

621
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,120
You don't have to sit and read
chapter like front to back.

622
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,440
You can just look at the bits in
the in the contents chapters at

623
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,640
the front, the contents at the
front and be like, oh, do you

624
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,440
know what?
Yeah, I, I do, you know, I

625
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,160
really want to know about how
respect and respect work in both

626
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,400
ways.
And the idea you don't have to

627
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,800
give yourself the child needs to
respect you.

628
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,040
You also need to respect the
children.

629
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,000
Yeah, yeah, of course.
It's just.

630
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,240
And what I like about it, having
flipped through and read some,

631
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,920
it's from teachers.
You you can't say, oh, that's

632
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,920
completely wrong.
Yeah.

633
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,280
Yeah.
It's it's a teacher with

634
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,880
experience who said this is
what.

635
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,440
You can disagree with it if you
wanted to.

636
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,400
But you know what?
As a new teacher, this is the

637
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,120
kind of thing where it would
help me a lot rather than being

638
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,840
stood in the DT room being
dressed as an elephant.

639
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,360
Giving ideas.
Yeah.

640
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:53,560
Which is what I would have done.
Yeah.

641
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,040
Brilliant.
Cool.

642
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,640
Thanks for that.
Yes.

643
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,800
Have a lot.
Thanks for sending us the book.

644
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,320
I will link it down below.
I appreciate that and a nice

645
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,160
chat with Sam seems like a
really nice guy.

646
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,800
So this one were.
Fantastic.

647
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,840
Well, after that lovely
positivity, it's time to get you

648
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,720
a noise.
So I've got two things.

649
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,960
The boat again, I was always
from the Internet, found them.

650
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,160
I thought, Oh yeah, save that.
I used to tell you about these

651
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,400
things straight away and now I
save them to get you annoyed on

652
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,280
the podcast.
So this first one someone wrote

653
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,160
I've got we have optional lunch
meetings for 45 minutes once per

654
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,440
week.
And I'm weird anyway, right?

655
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,000
For the staff meeting optional
lunch staff meetings 45 minutes

656
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,480
once per week.
How are you sorry?

657
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,920
Go on.
I'm just going to.

658
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,160
Yeah, but if you don't go, the
other staff send children to

659
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,880
come and get you from your
classroom, and they also have

660
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,920
weekly staff meetings for an
hour and a half once a week.

661
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,640
Yeah.
On top of that, yeah.

662
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,640
Sometimes, well, this is
anonymous, Yeah.

663
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,000
Sometimes I think people make
stuff up, like, like sometimes I

664
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,720
think and and.
And that's is one of two things,

665
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,400
right?
Either it's made-up, yeah, or

666
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,040
it's completely.
Insane.

667
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,080
I think it's completely insane.
That seems too bizarre and I can

668
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,240
see it happening.
So first thing, just on that,

669
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,640
it's clearly not optional then.
Yeah, right.

670
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,680
So that's the first thing.
But the second thing, even if it

671
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,760
was optional, and let's say the
children come round and you're

672
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,040
just like, no, sorry, it's
lunchtime.

673
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,840
Yeah.
How?

674
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,920
But how useful can a meeting be
if you already accept

675
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,800
beforehand?
But it's OK, some people don't

676
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,920
come.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

677
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,880
At the baseline, if you're
saying this is an optional

678
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,120
meeting, you're saying it's not
very important.

679
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,720
It's not essential.
It's not essential.

680
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,400
Yeah, it's optional.
So it sounds like what they're

681
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,120
trying to do in this situation
is they have a meeting they

682
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,440
think is essential.
They know they're not allowed to

683
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,240
say it.
They're.

684
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,760
Not allowed to do that.
So we'll just say it's optional,

685
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,440
but then not remotely treat it
as if it's optional.

686
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,240
Do you know there's no defence
for that?

687
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,680
I, I, I really try now and think
of a defence.

688
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,040
Yeah.
Because I'm very aware that some

689
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,360
people, this, this might get
clipped as a reel or something.

690
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,160
And some people like, I'm
getting found it all the time.

691
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,280
So, yeah.
But when something like that

692
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,640
happens, sometimes, sometimes
the adequate response is to just

693
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,480
moan.
Yeah.

694
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,520
But what's your advice?
What would you tell?

695
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,440
And that's a solution.
Sometimes the solution is to

696
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,040
tell someone.
To I wonder, are we going to

697
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,640
swear again?
No.

698
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,840
I didn't swear the last.
Time, I know.

699
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480
Yeah, sometimes the solution is
to just.

700
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,440
Say like, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.

701
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Yeah.
Absolutely not.

702
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,680
And do you know what isn't it?
I think a lot of teachers, as

703
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,840
teachers, we're not even against
working in our lunchtime because

704
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,760
we do it every day.
How do you think we transition

705
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320
from an English lesson, writing
and books to a science lesson

706
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,680
with an experiment from 12 to
one with with a lunch break

707
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,160
where we don't do any work?
Of course we do.

708
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,000
We either are marking or setting
up the next lesson.

709
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,320
Like if you want a really good
quality lesson, what do you

710
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,360
think happens between doing
English and science?

711
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Yeah, but you can just walk your
hair or.

712
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,480
English and art.
Whatever your lessons for lunch

713
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,320
and art, yeah.
All, all the tables have changed

714
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,200
position and there's been paper
laid out and there's paint.

715
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,440
Now.
Now the fairies have been.

716
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,040
The fairies have been because
teachers don't work in

717
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,240
lunchtime.
That's their own time.

718
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,680
They'll be working lunch time
every day.

719
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,360
Yeah.
I'd go as far as saying, and

720
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,560
maybe it's just me because it's
just my habits that I've never

721
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,120
ever, ever in 10 years, maybe on
Appa day this is not true.

722
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,360
Never taken my entire lunch like
from minute to like the first

723
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,520
minute to the last minute.
Like I've never just lunch just

724
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,360
started and I've just got up and
left gone for the entire hour or

725
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,560
whatever you get and then come
back right at the last minute.

726
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,720
I've always had.
I've always prepping or marking

727
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,200
the previous thing.
I'm guessing something.

728
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280
Just think about it.
Lunchtime is always billed as

729
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,320
the children's lunchtime, right?
Yeah.

730
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,640
So you work, you do your lesson
until lunchtime, and then you've

731
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720
got a pack up, get your kids
lined up, take them to the lunch

732
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,560
hall.
That's your lunch time now.

733
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,240
Yeah.
Yeah.

734
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760
You've also then the kids
lessons start at the end of

735
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,280
lunch time.
So very often in schools,

736
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,440
whistles will go 5 minutes
early, the kids will start

737
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,760
lining up.
You need to get your kids in

738
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,960
that.
So I, I might sound like I'm

739
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,320
being pedantic.
I'm like, oh, well, of course

740
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,400
you've got to do that.
OK, fine.

741
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,280
OK, Maybe I can accept that. 5
minutes either side.

742
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,960
Yeah.
Like in maybe all other jobs,

743
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,160
that happens.
Of course, you know, you've got

744
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,480
to leave your office at 12:00.
You've got to walk to the staff

745
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,680
room and get your lunch like
that.

746
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,040
That's part of your life.
That's fine.

747
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,720
OK, but that's not what all we
do.

748
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,200
No, you've got, you've got to
then either you're marking then

749
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
or in after school, which is
still your own time, you've got

750
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,680
to prep.
I think people forget prep.

751
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,360
I think that's the big thing
that people forget about

752
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,240
teaching, is the preparation is
such a big part of it.

753
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,880
Yeah.
I've had loads of people comment

754
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,760
saying, well, how do teachers
rack up all these hours every

755
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,120
week on reels I've done
recently?

756
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,440
I was like, yeah, but you're
just forgetting that they need

757
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,760
to exist.
Do you want to come and trim the

758
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,000
paper that I trim?
Do you want to spend as much

759
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,600
time as I do trimming paper?
Yeah.

760
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,720
It's insane.
It's mental.

761
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,880
It's.
Insane.

762
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280
It's so backwards and I think
there's lots of solutions to

763
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240
this, but you can't just say it
doesn't happen, it does.

764
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840
What we should do, what we
should do is pop in cheeky

765
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,120
little optional 45 minute
meeting in that lunchtime as

766
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,040
well every now and.
Then, and do you know what this

767
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,120
week's meeting's about?
How to save time at lunch?

768
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,200
Come on, come on up, come on up
to the meeting at lunch.

769
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,520
We'll take a save time at lunch.
Anyways, that was one.

770
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,840
The second one I think links
really nicely to what actually

771
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000
talk.
OK, let's do so.

772
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,320
We'll do this, then we'll do a
little Jingle.

773
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,080
Yeah, we'll do that.
We'll talk about, but you'll see

774
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,560
how it links.
So this is a bit long one.

775
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,840
Again, anonymous as it always
is.

776
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,960
This person said they've had the
worst day in school ever.

777
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,120
A parent came to see them after
school to say that.

778
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Other parents in the class have
set up a WhatsApp group to

779
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,520
criticise that teacher.
How like, oh imagine hearing

780
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,480
that.
Horrendous isn't it?

781
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,480
And said that some said that
some really unkind comments have

782
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,360
been made in the group.
She wouldn't show me the

783
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120
messages but it left me
heartbroken.

784
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,760
I really don't think I can go in
tomorrow.

785
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,480
I've been teaching for 18 years
and this has floored me.

786
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Governors, it's getting worse,
it gets worse.

787
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Head of governors said nothing
they can do about it.

788
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,880
Nothing they nothing they can do
about it.

789
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Came back today and had 14
emails from parents criticising

790
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
me of things that happened when
I wasn't at school.

791
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,520
So basically it just sounds like
a classic old witch hunt here of

792
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,080
this teacher.
Yeah, in a way.

793
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Like, I don't know what this
teacher's done.

794
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,520
I don't know.
I don't know this teacher.

795
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,000
All I know is that context right
there.

796
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280
But I thought I'd just get your
feelings on this idea that

797
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,480
there's a WhatsApp group.
What?

798
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Was the parent who told them
just trying to be nice or was

799
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760
she part or he part of?
The don't know, don't know.

800
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,080
I get I get the idea that this
parent has gone to them being

801
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400
like, I'm sorry, but this is
this is being made so the

802
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,680
parents just letting you know
because.

803
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,640
You can try and help in terms of
it might be helpful to at least

804
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,520
know this is going on for your
back because it was going on

805
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,360
behind your back.
Although it's horrible, it's

806
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,160
probably better to know so you
can try and go down the right

807
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,960
channels and stuff perhaps.
Sometimes I I feel like I've not

808
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,200
really got good advice.
Like I don't want it.

809
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,560
I don't want it to be me to
pretend, don't have to.

810
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Advice.
It could just be how you feel

811
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,120
like.
But I, I like giving people

812
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,720
advice in terms of just being
there, in terms of if, if I was

813
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,120
in that situation, what was I
do?

814
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,480
I, I would, you'd, you'd have
to, you'd have to try and just

815
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,040
get through it.
Like I, I think it's horrendous.

816
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,280
I think it's horrible if if, if,
if a teacher's done something

817
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,080
worth complaining about, you
know, you should just go through

818
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880
the right channels.
It should be from the parents to

819
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,800
the school to create a WhatsApp
group just to moan about someone

820
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,440
seems a bit insane to nursery
and and again like you said we

821
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,520
don't know what this teacher has
done but.

822
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,760
For that many parents to get
involved, maybe something's

823
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,920
happened.
Yeah, potentially.

824
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,240
But I just don't think this is
the road to go to.

825
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480
No, it's not the route there.
We have complaints policy that's

826
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,080
all in place.
Like what makes me probably the

827
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,320
most sad of this whole thing is
not the fact that that would

828
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,600
honestly be crushing, wouldn't
it, to have that like have that

829
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160
happen to you.
It's just the fact that like, we

830
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400
have line managers and governors
and things like for a reason.

831
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,320
And when they don't, it's not
about backing you up.

832
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760
It's literally about just
acceptable.

833
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Yeah.
Like if I was the governor, the

834
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,520
head teacher, I'd be like okay,
even if I don't know what the

835
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
evidence is or maybe even I
think as a head teacher.

836
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Actually this teacher has been
getting my nerves recently.

837
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,080
They have been not doing a job
properly and I can see why the

838
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,440
parents are annoyed.
I would still send out a letter

839
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,160
or something saying it's
completely unacceptable and

840
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120
professional to do insert this
thing that they've done.

841
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,040
If you have a problem, here are
correct complaints policies.

842
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,080
If nothing comes through, we
will assume there is nothing

843
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,560
wrong.
This is not acceptable.

844
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Like just something like, come
on, like, you know, we've got, I

845
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,200
don't know.
It's a weird dichotomy, isn't

846
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,200
it, Where in a traditional
business you would have

847
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:56,160
customers, staff and it feels
like customers can be more angry

848
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,400
and be like, this is this is
wrong.

849
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,960
I wouldn't want to when it's
schools and stuff.

850
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,280
It just just feels different
because because you're not

851
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,840
paying, everyone pays tax like
before anyone comes.

852
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,720
It's not like a direct
transaction of, of of goods,

853
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,120
tangible money, the way of doing
so.

854
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,480
It's so tricky.
And I agree completely with what

855
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,000
you just said.
I think the biggest thing here

856
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,720
is how it's been done.
And I'd, I'd think I'd be really

857
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,760
gutted if that happened.
I'd be more than as a

858
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,760
professional, more than able to
take criticism and say I didn't

859
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,320
like this because of that.
And then at least I can have the

860
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,600
right of reply.
But well, that didn't happen or

861
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,920
that did happen because of this.
Maybe I was wrong.

862
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,920
Let's go through the right
channels.

863
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,400
I think a big problem that we
have and we'll talk about soon

864
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,600
maybe is the balance of the, the
wall of professionalism we have

865
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600
to kind of traverse because
we're the professional.

866
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760
We go, oh, we, we couldn't stick
to that level if teachers were

867
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,960
found in the WhatsApp.
This has happened before in a

868
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,640
WhatsApp group, saying stuff
about the children or the

869
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
parents like this.
It would be the end of their

870
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,640
job.
Of course it would.

871
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,040
They'd probably.
Get fired and, and potentially

872
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920
correctly depending on what was
said, But because because

873
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600
they're the parents on the
parents side, it feels as if

874
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,240
like this governor's saying,
there's nothing we can do.

875
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,880
It feels like there's a there's
a shift there different in

876
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880
expectations of what you should
part with and as a teacher

877
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,560
expected to part with more than
what you are on the parents

878
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,960
side.
Like you would imagine parents

879
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240
imagine teachers getting
together to say, Can you believe

880
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,280
this parenting style this, this
parent awful.

881
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,520
They let them stay up till 9 on
fortnight on a night and then

882
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,120
they were knackered that morning
and naffs.

883
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,240
That's horrendous parenting.
That'd be the end of the world.

884
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,800
You could never say that.
You can imagine the headlines

885
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680
and stuff, but it's OK the other
way around to say, Oh my God, my

886
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,000
child.
They, they, they picked up their

887
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,360
handwriting.
They tried really hard with the

888
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,240
handwriting and the teacher,
said the handwriting teacher.

889
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,400
'S such an idiot, isn't she?
She's such, so stupid.

890
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,600
She's so rubbish at her job.
Let's make a group and talk

891
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,840
about it.
How much we hate this teacher.

892
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,480
It's just so backwards.
Yeah, it is.

893
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,120
Mad how?
Yeah, I agree.

894
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,120
I have everything you just said.
But I think let's talk about it

895
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,600
because we're not, you know,
after Jingle, we're going to,

896
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,120
we're going to chat about this
sort of thing.

897
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,240
We'll get a bit more detailed.
As well.

898
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Hey, I've just just been
wondering, why do people hate

899
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,200
teachers?
We're going to talk about

900
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,560
teacher bashing.
It's something we see quite a

901
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,840
lot.
And I think the first thing to

902
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,800
say is I don't think the
majority of people bash and hate

903
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,520
teachers.
I mean, it's really important to

904
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,120
get clear, I think the vast
majority of people actually

905
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,159
really respect us.
I think there's a bunch of

906
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,000
people who just feel neutral.
That's just another job.

907
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,480
I work hard, you work hard crack
on.

908
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,360
And I completely respect that.
I don't expect to be put in a

909
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,920
pedestal by anyone.
But the minority are extremely

910
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,920
loud.
And we see this a lot and we

911
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,560
kind of split it into four
groups and we're going to try

912
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,000
and dive into them and just
think about how they bash

913
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,679
parents and why maybe and, and
maybe talk about why we get a

914
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,280
raw deal sometimes from those
groups.

915
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,440
So they're they are parents and
like we've just spoken about and

916
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,199
we'll go into more detail about
how some parents bash teachers.

917
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,239
The press is a big one.
We got a lot and a specific

918
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,639
press outlets.
You can probably think of some

919
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:42,960
right now.
We're gonna focus on one.

920
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:44,040
Yeah.
Have a little, have a little

921
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,880
game.
Which which one press outlet?

922
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,080
Which newspaper do you think
we've really focused on here?

923
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:50,840
Yeah.
We've got literally our own

924
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,199
family members.
Yeah.

925
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,320
Like, like they literally go for
us.

926
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040
And I mean, I've had a really
good experience with family.

927
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,120
Again, my family listened to
this.

928
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,160
I don't think.
Can't imagine.

929
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,520
That.
But here's The thing is it is a

930
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,960
group of people that teachers
find.

931
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,840
Yeah, exactly.
And the last one.

932
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,760
General public.
That's just people in general.

933
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,600
And that's coming from
experience of us doing a teacher

934
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,840
podcast and releasing reals out
and we've seen it we've.

935
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,000
Social media, we see a lot of
it.

936
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,160
We'll come to that conversation
later.

937
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,800
I think we start parents.
We were just kind of talking

938
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,080
about it anyway.
Yeah, I am just gonna start by

939
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,080
saying basically just
reinforcing what you said.

940
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,600
I think sometimes people do jump
on us and they only listen to

941
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,160
the bits where we own and they
forget that we do actually have

942
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,760
wider opinions than that.
So let's just start by saying

943
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,880
this.
Most parents, in fact, almost

944
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,880
all parents that we've had
experience with and I know

945
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,320
across the country, across the
land as you used to say.

946
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,360
I think, I think you say Dylan
says land more than I say land.

947
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640
You've only said it like twice,
but I've said the reference

948
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,360
about four times across the land
because I love it across the

949
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,840
land.
It's just such a great phrase.

950
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,320
But most, most parents honestly
put us all on a pedestal.

951
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,720
They actually really, really,
really respect teachers and

952
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,600
they're so incredibly nice.
Like you know that they will go

953
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640
as far as buying you a gift at
the end of the year.

954
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,920
Like that's how much they
respect.

955
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,360
And they back.
Us up, they back you up.

956
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,920
They're lovely.
So like Dylan said, we know that

957
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,680
that is the majority.
But for whatever reason, we do

958
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960
seem still seem to see a lot of
teacher bashing more than you

959
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,840
probably would in a lot of other
jobs.

960
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,800
Like on what is that?
And part of the problem is some

961
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120
of the culture around parents.
And we do think that has

962
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,680
probably changed a little bit
over time as well.

963
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,680
So I'm going to break this down
into a few different things.

964
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,880
Yeah, I don't know if you, I
kind of want to start my own

965
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,480
experiences.
Yeah, if that's all right.

966
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,120
I just did like set the scene.
Yeah, I think, I think what

967
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,480
that's what we can talk about
generally.

968
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,400
We can say like, oh, what in
general in the public people are

969
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,040
saying it's getting worse.
Like that might be true.

970
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,880
Yeah.
All we can say is from our point

971
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,640
of view and from the teachers
we've literally spoken to, it is

972
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,520
I just want to preface
everything we're saying now

973
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,280
with.
I want people to understand as

974
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,320
teachers that we are in this
mode, quite a lot of thinking

975
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,680
about protection and stuff for
our staff because.

976
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,480
And many teachers listening to
this will probably have the same

977
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,240
subconscious thought where if
you're dismissing your children

978
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,600
or it's end of day and you see a
parent and a teacher talking

979
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,080
maybe on their own somewhere,
just like a parent just called

980
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,040
them part of our job.
More than happy to talk to

981
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,440
parents all the time.
As a teacher, if I see that and

982
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,200
no one else is around or other
teachers are busy, I make the

983
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,200
conscious choice and effort to
be within earshot of the

984
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,040
conversation.
Now that's not to jump to

985
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,600
anyone.
It's not for me to say all the

986
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,480
teachers always in the right and
I've got to make sure I'm

987
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880
defending my teacher.
That's part of it that I want to

988
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,080
defend my teacher.
I also just like, I just like to

989
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,480
defend the truth because I've
seen too often that those kind

990
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,920
of off the cuff chats will be
used by some parents to justify

991
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,760
and say, well, they said this
about time just said this, it's

992
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,880
completely wrong and it's word
versus word and just having

993
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,160
another pair of ears.
So I just want people to

994
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
understand that this is built
into our culture.

995
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:39,920
This isn't just something we're
saying now.

996
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,480
This is something we think about
and and we've seen not loads but

997
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,240
enough where we just understand
there's something.

998
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,520
Going on well, we know that
people, this is true in all

999
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,800
aspects of life.
We like to talk about negative

1000
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,520
stuff more than we talk about
positive stuff.

1001
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,000
I remember someone and the four
artists who it was was telling

1002
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,520
me that that this is like
evolution at its finest, right?

1003
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,760
It's like when you when you're,
you know, go back to hundreds of

1004
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,400
thousands of years.
I mean, right, you, you want to

1005
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480
be more aware of the predators
that are trying to eat you.

1006
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880
Do you know what I mean?
So you're way more attuned to

1007
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,880
things that negative life.
I don't know how true this is as

1008
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,000
an analogy, but I thought it was
a good, you know, an analogy to

1009
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,000
to compare it to.
But we are in general, right?

1010
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440
So I kind of assume, maybe
wrongly, I don't know, but I

1011
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,560
kind of assume when I see a
parent approaching me or

1012
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,960
approaching another teacher, I'm
like, oh, got something bad to

1013
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,080
say.
But but but.

1014
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,880
You assume that based on your
experience as well.

1015
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,120
Where we're more likely it is,
yeah.

1016
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,160
As a teacher, unless we're
really trying to be honest, are

1017
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
we more likely to catch a parent
to say, oh, this bad thing

1018
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,920
happened, yeah.
Or oh, this good?

1019
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,840
Thing 100% the first one yeah
absolutely.

1020
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,800
And I really consciously try not
to do that but it is a very

1021
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040
conscious effort.
I very naturally if something

1022
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,360
bad happens yeah.
I'm going to tell the parent

1023
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,520
that your, you know, your kid
did this today.

1024
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,560
If something good happens, Pat
in the back, your kid threw my

1025
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,880
shoes on the on the on the roof
today.

1026
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,200
That's why I've got no shoes on.
OK.

1027
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,200
But something good happens.
Yeah.

1028
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,920
But he did.
He did compliment my shoes and

1029
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,520
he did it so.
Give him a treat on the way

1030
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,600
home, I think.
Yeah.

1031
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,320
So definitely, yeah, we do that.
That is part of a culture.

1032
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,480
Isn't it OK, let's let's do our
let's do our own experiences

1033
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,320
then, because like you said, no
one, no one can argue with this.

1034
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,280
This is what I like about when
you talk about this is literally

1035
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,520
things that have happened to us.
So from parents point of view,

1036
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,320
Hayden, what what interactions
have you had where you've just

1037
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,960
felt targeted or just just just
treated incorrectly do?

1038
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,760
You know what, only a couple.
Again, I'll make that really

1039
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,840
clear.
I've been teaching for 10 years

1040
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,840
and I've only had a couple of
interactions with parents where

1041
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,440
I look back and think, God, that
was horrendous.

1042
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,080
Like they were, they were vile
towards me.

1043
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,640
That wasn't, you know,
appropriate.

1044
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,640
One of them just seems mad to
me.

1045
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920
This child, generally a lovely
child, by the way.

1046
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,840
So it's not someone I've had
many interactions with the

1047
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,920
parents like for negative
reasons at all, just swore in

1048
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,480
the class that another child and
I was like, that was

1049
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,680
inappropriate.
It was right at the end of the

1050
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,240
day, literally we were leaving.
So I thought I should probably

1051
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,880
tell the parent because they
made the other kid cry and

1052
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600
they've just sworn at the top of
their lungs about this child

1053
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,800
brought the just caught sort of
backing the dad over and said,

1054
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,080
you know, just explain the
situation and their reaction.

1055
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,280
They would like so like
defensive immediately, like

1056
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,080
physically in the way they
stood, you know, listen to me as

1057
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,360
if like, who the hell are you
talking?

1058
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,800
About This is a dad.
Or this is a dad.

1059
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Yeah, she went.
No, she didn't.

1060
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,400
So what do you mean?
No, No, no.

1061
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,000
I'm just.
Sorry.

1062
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,000
You must not have heard me.
I'm just she she was just

1063
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,120
swearing another child on the
way out.

1064
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,120
I just thought I'd let you know
so you can maybe just talk about

1065
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,800
swearing tonight when you have a
chat with her.

1066
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,320
No, she didn't.
My child doesn't swear.

1067
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,680
She doesn't swear.
Oh my God, she doesn't swear.

1068
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,320
What do you do?
I like, violently looking at me

1069
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,760
in the eyes.
She doesn't swear.

1070
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,680
Sort of grabbed her as if to be
like, come on, we're going.

1071
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,680
I was like, oh, it's just that.
Yeah, Yeah.

1072
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Well, yeah.
Well, yeah, I'm not going to say

1073
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,280
that at home because my child
doesn't swear it off her

1074
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,120
children.
Thank you.

1075
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,120
And walked off, stormed off, but
was like really, really horribly

1076
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,080
rude.
You know, like in that moment

1077
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,160
where you're like, I was almost
like shaking where I was like.

1078
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,280
But not only is he saying you're
lying.

1079
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,520
Yeah, he's talking to you like
you're.

1080
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,840
Yeah, Like I'm just like, I'm
just nothing.

1081
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,160
Yeah.
And I was like, I don't know

1082
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,560
what to do now.
Like you said in that situation

1083
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,920
earlier with like where the
governors weren't backing up the

1084
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,520
teacher because it's like, oh,
don't want to, don't want to

1085
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,480
question their parents back so
that maybe be wrong when the

1086
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,840
parents are being clearly vile.
It was one of those moments

1087
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,160
where I'm like, my natural
instinct here is like, I want to

1088
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,680
tell you to F off honestly,
like, who the hell do you think

1089
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,240
you are?
He was on the.

1090
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,520
Streets, yeah.
But you think, oh, I better not.

1091
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640
I better not, you know,
retaliate with 10% of that venom

1092
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,400
because I'll be the one that
gets in trouble for it.

1093
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,600
Yeah, because they as way more
leeway as parents.

1094
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,080
And so I just took it, which
annoyed me even more than I'm

1095
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,240
walk away.
I'm thinking I've just let

1096
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:14,840
someone talk to me.
Like that, but do you think that

1097
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,000
is contributing to parents
feeling like maybe they can get

1098
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
away more and more because it's
culture of I I swear like years

1099
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,320
and years ago, a teacher could
sit there and say this happened.

1100
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,840
That's that's pathetic.
The teacher could almost come,

1101
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,640
probably too vile sometimes with
the teacher.

1102
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080
It made me horrible, but it's
gone too far the other way in

1103
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,520
terms of the protection, like
someone talking to you like

1104
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,240
that.
I just.

1105
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,160
I just don't feel I can put up
anymore.

1106
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Yeah, yeah.
I just don't want to.

1107
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,440
Similar sort of thing.
And I'm sure you've got a story

1108
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,920
as well.
Same sort of thing at a parents

1109
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,560
evening a few years ago, I
guess.

1110
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:43,760
I don't know.
It's always a dad.

1111
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,160
My two stories are both being
with dads, Yeah.

1112
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,320
But I think we're going to talk
about it.

1113
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Later we'll talk about men, men
and women and beer, you know,

1114
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,840
from our experiences.
But a dad just like so

1115
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,400
condescendingly and
patronisingly told me and my job

1116
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,280
share teacher off before
disciplining their child told us

1117
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
like was literally like, you
won't be doing that again, will

1118
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,560
you?
That kind of language.

1119
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,320
So yeah, I don't think so.
Oh my.

1120
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Do you really think so?
My child did that.

1121
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,680
I don't think my child.
Did you do that, son?

1122
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,840
No, you didn't, did you?
What did?

1123
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,880
So maybe next time it was really
patronising.

1124
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,920
Like I said, maybe next time
your teachers will be a little

1125
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,360
bit more cautious before they do
that.

1126
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,480
It was that kind of talk.
And it was like, who the hell do

1127
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,560
you think you're talking to?
Yeah, insane, but you'd never

1128
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,040
dream of doing it the other.
Way no.

1129
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,840
This is the.
This is the.

1130
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440
Theme here like.
Again, didn't retaliate too much

1131
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,160
because it was like, it's not
worth it because if I remotely,

1132
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,640
if I remotely answer back,
that'll go straight to the head

1133
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,680
and guess.
And do you know what?

1134
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,800
Not, not anything against our
head.

1135
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,520
Do you know how they're probably
going to back up the parents?

1136
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,280
Because it's not worth that
fight for them either, because

1137
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,480
then they'll go to the
governors.

1138
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,760
Yeah.
It's.

1139
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Just like you just have to like
there's a point where it's like,

1140
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,680
do you do we just have to put up
with this or was I just being a

1141
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,800
bit?
Yeah, like, but I think that.

1142
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Attitude is what's what's ending
up with this culture growing.

1143
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,720
They think I got with that last
time there these silly teachers

1144
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,600
that never never forget.
Just have a word of them.

1145
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,760
Who they think they are knowing
my child's behaviour.

1146
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,440
Yeah, but you've mentioned this
before.

1147
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,600
I think you made a really good
point.

1148
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,760
I don't think we'd ever question
the fact that a child parents

1149
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,640
knows them best to have anyone
in the world, which is

1150
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,120
completely true.
But that doesn't that doesn't

1151
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,360
translate to 100% of the time.
Every single time.

1152
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,440
No, that dad really probably
knew her kid, and her child

1153
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,560
probably doesn't swear at.
Home.

1154
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Her kid.
Sorry, his his child probably

1155
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,520
doesn't swear at home.
Yeah, probably doesn't do that.

1156
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,640
And but but that you can't
translate that to every single

1157
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,200
time anyone says anything about
my child, though.

1158
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,240
I'll know the right answer
immediately without knowing any.

1159
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,440
Evidence.
No, my favourite 1 is my child

1160
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,680
doesn't lie.
Yeah, I know.

1161
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,280
At that point I'm disengaged.
Honestly, I've heard that a lot

1162
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,440
of times, not even just in like
a horrible conversation, just

1163
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,960
genuinely parents be like, Oh
no, no, no, they don't lie.

1164
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,080
They don't lie at home.
I'm thinking mate.

1165
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,480
If anything, they're the best
liars then.

1166
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Yeah, they just, they are lying.
Every single child lies.

1167
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,760
It is natural.
Like you just learn to either

1168
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,920
lie better or not lie as much
when you get older because you

1169
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,520
realise that people cracked you
out and it's embarrassing.

1170
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,120
Every child lies.
It's part.

1171
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Time growing up honestly, you
push the boundaries and you make

1172
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,840
stuff up.
Like it's literally proven to be

1173
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,680
part of how we sane socialise.
My my wider.

1174
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Point here, because I know
you're kind of getting at it

1175
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,480
then, is sometimes I feel a
little bit offended when parents

1176
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,920
think that I can't sort of
analyse and spot maybe

1177
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,240
behavioural patterns because I,
I always want to say I've never

1178
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,080
said this to a parent, but I've
had it in my mind I had.

1179
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,600
It in this podcast.
I'm going to say it right now.

1180
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,960
I had it in the in my mind when
that parent was talking to me as

1181
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,840
it like condescendingly
patronising me like, oh, as if

1182
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,800
like I don't unrecognised poor
behaviour.

1183
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,040
I want to be like, oh, how many
kids have you raised?

1184
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,600
How many?
How many kids have you talked

1185
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,600
about?
Maybe 2.

1186
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,280
Interesting.
About 1000 for me for the last

1187
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,680
10 years I spent 10 hours a day,
you know, 6 hours a day with

1188
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,200
them.
I don't know, that sounds really

1189
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160
up my own, but I get it.
But there is, there is some

1190
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,880
truth and it's like, yeah, do
you know what I have taught

1191
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,040
honestly like 1000 children
though I am, I do, I am quite

1192
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,240
well equipped to recognise
behavioural patterns, recognise

1193
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,440
like spot things quite quickly,
like give me a little bit of

1194
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,520
credit and don't just don't talk
to me like I don't know

1195
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,560
anything.
Like I find it so offensive that

1196
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480
they do that.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely on

1197
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,600
on that kind of, I guess theme
of what's the line for a teacher

1198
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,240
coming back at someone.
I can think of two examples in

1199
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,760
my career, one at the start and
one at the end where I was kind

1200
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,560
of treated in the same way, but
I reacted to it much

1201
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,640
differently.
So I was basically both times a

1202
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680
parent was raising their voice
to me, really not happy about

1203
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
something, something directly
that maybe the school had done

1204
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,560
or the policy that was in place.
One time it was to do with a

1205
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,280
football tournament and the
first time was to do with the

1206
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,560
football tournament that their
child couldn't join in with

1207
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680
because they hadn't brought in
shin pads or something.

1208
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,600
That meant they couldn't play
because that was the role.

1209
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,960
But they paid a pound to play.
It was like a summer fair thing.

1210
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,840
And a parent was very angry,
shouting him, why can't, why has

1211
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,160
my son been sat there watching
football this whole time?

1212
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,320
Then why has he done that?
He's paid his pound.

1213
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,840
Why is he, why is he not allowed
to do it?

1214
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,680
And I should have said something
along the lines of, oh, because

1215
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,840
like we said, when you paid the
pound and you put the

1216
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,760
permissions slip that they have
to bring these things with them

1217
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,200
or else they won't be able to do
it.

1218
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,440
And he didn't bring those things
because you and your son forgot

1219
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,520
to bring those things.
Yeah, yeah, didn't say.

1220
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,600
That as I was very young and I
was like, oh, sorry.

1221
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,920
Oh, gosh, oh, yes, oh, that is
annoying.

1222
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,320
I guess you'll have to go and
just talk to the sports coach

1223
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,640
who's running it.
I was just fobbed off.

1224
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I didn't want to be shy at

1225
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,400
that, basically.
And I was like worried I was,

1226
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360
oh, maybe I'm wrong.
Then.

1227
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Then Fast forward in the last
couple of years, I've had a

1228
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,800
parent come in very shouty, very
annoyed.

1229
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160
I'm like, why has my child sat
next to this child in this seat

1230
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,840
and planned blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

1231
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,760
That's they, they're really bad.
They're bad for each other.

1232
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,000
You know, there's history of
them doing this, etcetera.

1233
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,280
I'm just like, yeah, OK.
So this time what I can say to

1234
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,760
them was the first thing I said
to this parent was, are you OK?

1235
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,160
Like not, not, not horribly, not
patronised, like just doing like

1236
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,920
are you, are you OK?
Yeah, yeah.

1237
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,360
Yeah, well, of course I am.
I just want to.

1238
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,960
You're being very loud.
You seem really angry at the

1239
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:39,960
minute about this.
Yeah.

1240
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,800
And you're shouting and I I
can't really.

1241
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,600
We can't solve anything whilst
you're shouting.

1242
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,600
And very quickly she did.
Stunned it a bit.

1243
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,840
Yeah.
Yeah.

1244
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,320
Sorry.
No.

1245
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,720
And.
And she'd say something.

1246
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,200
Oh, I am a lovely person.
Really.

1247
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,600
I don't sorry, I don't shout.
I thought, OK, cool, we can talk

1248
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,800
about it, but I'm not going to
talk to you whilst we're

1249
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,800
shouting.
Basically the whole thing was

1250
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,040
just.
About taking control, basically.

1251
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,360
Yeah, just take, take a bit more
control and be like, let's let's

1252
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,720
you know, I'm happy to talk to
you about this.

1253
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,080
Yeah.
But you can't shout at me.

1254
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,280
You can't come and talk to me
like that.

1255
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,440
It's just unacceptable.
It could have gone the other way

1256
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,040
where they got worse because of
it.

1257
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,600
And that I don't know how I
would have dealt with that.

1258
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:14,560
Yeah.
Because if you just let them

1259
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,920
carry on chatting and you
answered their questions there,

1260
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,880
then it's like just behave with
anyone and play with a child.

1261
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,440
You let them behave in a certain
way too and you carry on

1262
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,040
actually normal.
Then they're then like, oh, I'm

1263
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,320
allowed to do.
That then there was two there

1264
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,400
was 2 levels to this and the
most important one was don't

1265
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,680
talk to me like that.
Yeah, that was really important

1266
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,560
to me.
I was like, hey, look, no.

1267
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,080
The second thing was when I
explained why and what had

1268
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,600
happened, there was no, there
was no reason why I would

1269
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,960
separate these children without
knowing certain things that the

1270
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,280
parent assumed I knew or
something.

1271
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,000
And I said, yeah, we do, you
know, do what most parents do.

1272
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,800
They kind of have a quiet word
of me and say, would it be

1273
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,880
possible if we just move this
around?

1274
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,720
I go, yeah, of course we can,
and that's the end of it.

1275
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,800
But you came in shouting at me
and getting annoyed at me for

1276
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,000
something I didn't know about.
And I'd, you know, I am not out

1277
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,040
to get you.
I said.

1278
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,160
I said along those lines that
I'm not out to get anyone.

1279
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,280
I'm, I'm trying to do the best
thing for the children as well.

1280
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,720
And it ended up with having a
really nice conversation with

1281
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,360
this parent by the end.
And I just, I just think it,

1282
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,760
it's not easy to do that.
I, I'm not saying it will always

1283
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,360
work, but for sure over my
career, having seen stuff, you

1284
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,920
can have levels where you don't
accept stuff like you can, you

1285
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,360
absolutely are allowed to not
accept being shouted at by

1286
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,960
another adult in any walk of
life, whether it's in your job,

1287
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,040
if it's an SLT member or a
manager or a parent, whatever it

1288
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,160
is, you can then stop and be
like, OK, first thing, I've not

1289
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,120
actually done anything.
So stop talking about that.

1290
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:31,800
That's the first thing.
Let's actually try and solve

1291
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,080
this, because we can solve this
in a way where you don't

1292
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:34,680
disrespect.
Me.

1293
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,440
You're not shouting.
So I think that that was from my

1294
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,920
point of view, I could see my
development there.

1295
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,760
But in general, I don't
necessarily think that parent

1296
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,960
was hating on teachers.
I think that parent just got

1297
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,200
really angry and didn't think
about it.

1298
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Yeah, they think that's happened
sometimes.

1299
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,640
Yeah, and they probably probably
just didn't.

1300
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,920
I don't know, maybe in their
mind they didn't see you as in

1301
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,480
that first moment as someone
they respect enough to not shout

1302
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:56,920
at.
I don't know.

1303
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,160
I bet there's other people.
In the world they.

1304
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,040
Want to shout?
Maybe they shout anyone, maybe.

1305
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,760
Do you think just you saying all
this, do you?

1306
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,280
Do you?
Because I certainly haven't ever

1307
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,520
had any training on this.
Have you ever had any training

1308
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,360
for a start?
Do you think that there is

1309
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,360
something in that, do you
reckon?

1310
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Like new teachers should have a
little bit of training on like

1311
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,760
how to just managing parents,
like how to how to deal with

1312
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,160
just have a few situations like
OK, parents really enraged

1313
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,400
physically, they look physically
violent towards you.

1314
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,840
This is what you do.
This person is being

1315
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,560
condescended is what you do.
This person's shouting at you.

1316
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,240
This is what?
You do, yeah.

1317
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,760
Like we, I spoke earlier how
it's kind of entrenched in us

1318
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,760
that we kind of stand near
someone if they're talking to a

1319
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,120
parent.
Yeah, that should probably be a

1320
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,920
policy.
Yeah.

1321
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,960
And, and, and again, if someone
comes to you and says, can I

1322
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,800
have a quick chat?
It should probably again be a

1323
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,200
policy of, but not right now.
Let's plan a time because we can

1324
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,680
be in a room, we can be out of
the situation that just

1325
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,000
happened.
It could be monitored.

1326
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Exactly.
I think, I think there's

1327
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,360
something to be said there.
But but in general, yeah, very

1328
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,000
quickly, I want to round this
off because I want to talk about

1329
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,880
the other things.
But the very, very last thing I

1330
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,400
want to say, and this is just
from my experience, and this is

1331
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,680
basically just we don't need to
have a conversation about this,

1332
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,440
but more of a plea to our
listeners because the vast

1333
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,560
majority of our listeners are
female, because the vast

1334
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,280
majority of teachers are female
as as men.

1335
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:10,760
And having worked with women, I
see a lot more aggression and

1336
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,400
poor attitudes towards my female
colleagues from parents then I

1337
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,360
get myself from parents.
And I just wonder is, is that

1338
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,760
just luck based on the fact of
the parents I've had?

1339
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,800
I started to think it's not
because I've.

1340
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,960
I've been working for 10 years
now as a teacher.

1341
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,640
Is it more widespread?
I feel like in general, people

1342
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,880
are far less likely to come
bolshy and shouty at me.

1343
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,360
And when they do, it's usually
the dad.

1344
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,160
Yeah, because man, on my I.
I feel it's so funny because I

1345
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,680
don't, yeah, I've got to be
really careful because I don't

1346
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,640
want to make generalisations
that we don't know, we don't

1347
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,000
know are true.
But I know I agree from my, my

1348
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,840
personal experiences, I think
there have been quite a few

1349
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,640
occasions where I've maybe done
something in the exact same way

1350
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,200
that a female member of staff
has done it and the female

1351
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,640
member of staff has then
received complaint or an

1352
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,440
interaction with a parent in a
different way.

1353
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,200
And it didn't happen to me.
And I sort of thought guilty

1354
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,640
almost.
I've been like, oh, crikey, I

1355
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:08,400
did that same thing.
And.

1356
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,480
We're both fine.
No one did.

1357
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,880
No one said anything to me.
But you interpreted that badly.

1358
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,360
Yeah, I've, I've, that's
happened enough times where I've

1359
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,000
started to think like, it's
interesting.

1360
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,520
Is it, do people treat me
differently because I'm a man?

1361
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,320
Like, and realistically,
probably like, yeah, like the

1362
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,800
world is quite complex, you know
what I mean?

1363
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,800
Like gender is very complex.
We will like to say, you know,

1364
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,920
we will fight for for equality,
but we don't have perfect

1365
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,400
quality.
I mean, that doesn't exist in

1366
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,520
this world at the moment.
Yeah.

1367
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,000
So I do wonder sometimes, yeah.
As men, do we get treated.

1368
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,120
And I think, I think we'd
probably.

1369
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,040
Be interested to hear people's.
Yeah, I'd love to hear what you

1370
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:37,520
think and.
Experience, like not, not

1371
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,800
necessarily just what I don't
want is someone use a 74609

1372
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,360
who's never worked in a school
in their life telling me I'm

1373
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,760
wrong about something that I've
experienced.

1374
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Yeah, I don't want that.
So don't worry, don't bother

1375
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,240
commenting if that's you.
But if you've worked in a school

1376
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,520
and you have experience with it,
just just yeah, let us know, see

1377
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,120
what you think.
Let's talk about the press.

1378
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,440
This is the other big thing.
So I think this, we'll talk

1379
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,080
about this and then we'll just
touch upon the other ones

1380
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,280
because I think personally a lot
of what we talk about, because

1381
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,800
we can probably cover family in
this as well, to be honest, a

1382
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,800
lot of what we talk about and
this idea and attitude towards

1383
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,240
teachers is moulded by the press
because that's where people get

1384
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,040
their interactions from.
They never worked in a school.

1385
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,000
Yeah, yeah.
We had a little game earlier.

1386
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
We said, what media outlet do
you think that we are focused in

1387
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,320
on to look at their headlines
and their attitudes?

1388
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Hayden, what do we go for?
Yeah, you guessed it right,

1389
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,280
because I know everyone got this
right.

1390
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,720
The Daily Mail.
Oh, right, the Daily Mail.

1391
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,480
Looking at the Daily Mail.
And it was actually quite

1392
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,600
depressing really to look for
because we just used a simple

1393
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Google search term to help us
find all the articles they've

1394
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,240
written that have the word
teacher in it.

1395
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:37,440
And like almost every single one
was just horribly negative about

1396
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,760
teachers.
But but what what I found really

1397
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,640
interesting and depressing, like
you said, quite often it would

1398
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,840
be rooted in just a new story.
But this is happening in schools

1399
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,200
and there would be a way where
you could just say this is

1400
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,760
happening in school.
For example, let me read to you

1401
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,280
the first first headline we came
across.

1402
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,120
OK.
And then Hayden can translate it

1403
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,640
into what it what the actual
news story is.

1404
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,520
So we can see how there is such
a spin and a bias and a teacher

1405
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,560
bashing, click bait raging thing
going.

1406
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,080
On you gotta read it with a
certain accent though, that

1407
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,480
feels appropriate.
OK, right, OK.

1408
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,120
Yeah.
Now teachers get an extra day

1409
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,640
off every fortnight and say they
couldn't now imagine life

1410
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,320
without it.
That's perfect.

1411
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,240
Thank you.
Do you want to translate that?

1412
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,200
Yeah, what does it mean if you
get an extra day off every?

1413
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,760
Because, by the way, the extra
means they already get 13 weeks

1414
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,880
off again.
Yeah, I'm getting.

1415
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,120
Extra, Yeah, extra day off.
What it means is they're allowed

1416
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,520
to work from home for their PPA.
One day a week they can work

1417
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,240
from home.
Keyword work, work from home.

1418
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:33,760
Day off, though, isn't it?
Apparently for teachers though,

1419
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,440
when you work from home, it's
not actually working.

1420
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,760
It's everyone else, obviously.
Yeah.

1421
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,360
The the The Daily Mail editor
was working at home editing this

1422
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,000
story.
Working.

1423
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,200
Bloody hard doing that, no?
Yeah, so absolutely, completely,

1424
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,240
completely misconstrued.
It's PPA.

1425
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,520
It's just PPA you.
Get 10% PPA, which is time to by

1426
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,760
the way work OK, but teachers
just get there Hayden you'd read

1427
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,920
that and you'd think but where
are my kids going to go and this

1428
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,360
one day every fortnight if the
teachers are off swelling off

1429
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,960
No, the school the school opens
all the.

1430
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,680
Time Nothing's actually changed
for the kids 100.

1431
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,640
Percent for the kids constantly
the teachers don't choose when

1432
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,360
their days off are.
They just get their time to do

1433
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,280
their prep at home and if they
want to go to the gym that

1434
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160
morning, it's OK because what
that means is they're working in

1435
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,160
the evenings or at the weekend.
A.

1436
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,800
Little bit of flexibility
problem is, yeah, like you said,

1437
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,880
that's one of many.
We'll read out a couple of

1438
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,400
headlines, but you read that as
a just a general public, you

1439
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:23,840
know?
Yeah.

1440
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Why What?
Honestly, why?

1441
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Why wouldn't you read that if
you have no idea?

1442
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,280
Yeah, right.
Why wouldn't you probably would

1443
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,760
start to have a bit of a
negative like, well, that's a

1444
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,240
bit, that's a bit lazy, Yeah.
Course you would.

1445
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,520
Course you would because it's
written by experts to do that.

1446
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,080
Yeah, yeah, that's their goal.
So it works, you know, and.

1447
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,600
You've clicked reading it.
They've got the ad revenue.

1448
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,400
That's all they care about.
There was a really interesting

1449
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,960
snippet from it as well.
Because you read the article.

1450
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,720
Yeah.
And usually, again, with most

1451
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,360
good journalism, you'll have
this is the thing that's

1452
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,440
happened.
Here's the view of one set of

1453
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,080
people, here's the view of
another set of people.

1454
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,680
And this is the argument and
these are the facts.

1455
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,160
That's that's what good
journalism normally is.

1456
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,320
Here it was.
It was just all kind of bias,

1457
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,800
bias, bias, bias.
Now, like we spoke to the head

1458
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,200
of this education like firm who
do advisory stuff for the

1459
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,240
government.
And then you're like, OK, let's

1460
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:08,440
see what they say.
Let's get another opinion.

1461
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,440
It'll be interesting.
You can get the opinion on how

1462
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,520
it's a good thing.
Here's the here's the quote.

1463
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,280
It diminishes the status of
teaching by telling prospective

1464
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,360
teachers that the good thing
about this job is the fact you

1465
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,000
can get out one day, a
fortnight.

1466
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,200
What?
Mental.

1467
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,000
And his whole point was it's a
bad thing because if every

1468
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,240
school did this, it wouldn't be
a unique selling point anymore.

1469
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,200
It would just be normal.
Yeah.

1470
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,520
What?
What?

1471
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,800
Planet is this person.
On No, guys, we can't all have

1472
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,360
good things because everyone's
got a good thing.

1473
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,120
It's not a good thing anymore.
What are you on about?

1474
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,200
If we give teachers A5 grand pay
rise in one school, then other

1475
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,080
teachers might want it and and
then it wouldn't be good.

1476
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,760
If we all got a 5 grand pay rise
wouldn't be good.

1477
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,160
That'd be awful.
Wouldn't it takes away the

1478
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,080
unique selling position of that
that particular school?

1479
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,520
Stupid man.
I just it just Anyway there's

1480
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,360
another one going to read it.
Yeah, should have a headline.

1481
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,840
Education Secretary backs
letting teachers work from home

1482
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,480
as Labour looks to offer lions
and shorter working weeks to

1483
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,080
make the job appealing to Gen Z.
So many layers that isn't there.

1484
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,560
So let me translate that for
you.

1485
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,120
Yeah, Education Secretary backs
letting teachers work where they

1486
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,800
need to.
That's more convenient for them.

1487
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,840
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, that means they're

1488
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,600
offering lions.
Lions offering lions are short

1489
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,440
and shorter working weeks.
This is the thing that really

1490
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,200
winds me up about the whole
working for home thing.

1491
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,120
It's like, are they work less?
No, they don't.

1492
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,880
They travel less.
They use your infrastructure

1493
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,280
that you as a billionaire have
probably invested in and you've

1494
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,760
got interest in like, oh, oh,
the owner of the Daily Mail.

1495
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,880
I wonder how much office space
they own and they've got to make

1496
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,720
sure are used.
But the the whole the whole idea

1497
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,040
of it being less work is just
complete rubbish to make not

1498
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,440
less work.
I just love the end.

1499
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,680
The end.
You made me laugh because it was

1500
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,280
like just just to top it off to
make the job more appealing to

1501
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,240
Gen Z.
Just getting in that little dig.

1502
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,320
Because the Daily Mail hates
young people.

1503
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,560
If you didn't know that already,
make it more appealing because

1504
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,880
Gen Z is so lazy and they need
their lions.

1505
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,360
Unbelievable.
But then they might want to go

1506
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,240
be a teacher if they get one day
at work, one day at the.

1507
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,280
Week after I wiped, Yeah.
Oh my God.

1508
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,280
Anyone going into teaching
because they want the lions and

1509
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,400
the nice?
You've got some news for you,

1510
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,880
baby.
That's not going.

1511
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,760
To be that.
It's just, it's just full of

1512
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,280
click bait rage, isn't it?
Yeah, last one, last one.

1513
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,280
Schools for this was really
interesting to me.

1514
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,520
Schools forced to spend ��1.2
billion plugging gaps in

1515
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,120
staffing as almost 14,000
teachers teachers called in sick

1516
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,880
every day in the last year.
Few things, number one, just the

1517
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,760
way that's worded just to whack
out 1.2 billion everyone goes

1518
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,760
big number no context of how
much in general companies are

1519
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,360
spending for sick.
No, none of that.

1520
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,320
And 14,000 teachers call in sick
every day.

1521
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,160
I don't know about you, but just
just reading that as a quick

1522
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,120
headline, that sounds like
14,000 teachers aren't going in

1523
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,320
every day.
Every single day.

1524
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,960
But no, it's different teachers.
It just means in any one day

1525
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,880
there's 14,000 staff off.
Yeah, no context again, just

1526
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,000
these big numbers that sound if
you just read it quickly.

1527
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,200
Oh, that's big number bad.
Big big number do bad thing for

1528
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,880
brain.
Loser teacher are too bad.

1529
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,640
We don't like big numbers.
Click on Daily.

1530
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,440
Mail now I hate teacher me me go
to teach sleep, repeat podcast

1531
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,960
Instagram.
You are stupid teacher who take

1532
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,560
lazy and lying and do all these
days off because you can't do

1533
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,120
your job.
By the way, while you're here,

1534
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,400
can you tell me how to change my
name from user 746021 and my

1535
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,720
display picture as a fry up?
Why is it always people who have

1536
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,320
complete nonsense as they use
the name and a picture of like

1537
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,440
their dog it's.
Because they know they're toxic.

1538
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,200
They don't want to be I'd one.
Person moaning right?

1539
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440
I'd one person, this is a quick
story because because we had a

1540
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,040
lot of interaction on our reels
and stuff.

1541
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,600
I had someone comment on a reel
idea and they said something

1542
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,920
like, well, you choose to be a
teacher when I was saying

1543
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,600
something's bad.
We I'm not going to go into the

1544
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,960
debate about how that's just
nonsense.

1545
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,480
Anyway, well you choose to be a
teacher and their display

1546
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,080
picture was a tractor, right?
So I so I replied going I have

1547
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,600
interest.
Do you back the farmer strikes

1548
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,840
in London right now?
Are you there with your tractor

1549
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,400
with them because you choose to
be a farmer?

1550
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,800
You know, you could just not be
a farmer, couldn't you?

1551
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,760
Didn't reply.
No, of course, of course not,

1552
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,320
because it's a rubbish, because.
When, because when it because

1553
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,000
when it's them who are doing the
thing, it's fine.

1554
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,120
I agree back to this stat
though, the whole 1.2 billion

1555
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,800
plugging gaps 14,000 staff off.
It's exactly literally I made

1556
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,760
this point last week.
Remember when I said when we're

1557
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,160
doing that game about
statistics, how sometimes that

1558
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,280
newspapers will use the
percentage if it sounds good and

1559
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,560
if I'll, I'll use the real
number because big number sounds

1560
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,040
good.
So we did the maths.

1561
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,360
There's about 500,000 teachers
in in the country, which equates

1562
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,400
to 2.8.
So 14% of five, 500,000 is 2.8%.

1563
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,040
Then we looked up. 14% of 500.
1000 that 14 what did I say?

1564
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,840
14,000 out.
Of 500.

1565
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,880
Out of 500,000 is about 2.8%.
You did the maths.

1566
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,240
Right, which is a lot lower,
isn't it?

1567
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,680
If you said or 2.8% of teachers
are going off sick, it's like,

1568
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,840
OK, well in a day, in a day it's
not too bad, is it?

1569
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,360
And one of the averages, the
average in the for all jobs is

1570
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,160
about 2.2%, Yeah.
So it's more, it is a bit

1571
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,120
higher, yeah.
But.

1572
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,240
It's there's no way to get as
many rage clicks and frothing

1573
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,520
mouth boomers.
From if you said not .8% more

1574
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,360
for teachers than others, it's
like that's not really and also.

1575
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,120
Right when you see that gap,
even if you saw that gap and you

1576
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,640
still got annoyed because there
might be someone who's saying,

1577
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,280
well that's more yeah, that's
bad, isn't it?

1578
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,640
Bloody lazy teachers.
That's, you know, going from 2.2

1579
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,080
to 2.8.
That's a big jump.

1580
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,280
Well, OK, maybe the the thing
you should do at that point is

1581
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,760
ask why I.
Wonder why?

1582
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,080
Yeah, why?
I can make you some good

1583
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,520
reasons.
I can make you a really good

1584
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:22,960
reason.
Yeah.

1585
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,240
Do you know Teachers work in
schools where loads of kids are

1586
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,480
sick all the time.
Did you know that?

1587
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,960
Did you know that you're
actually exposed to so much more

1588
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,680
sickness than basically any
other job other than?

1589
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,960
Working in NHS and stuff.
Could it be that teachers are

1590
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,640
actually just getting more sick?
Yep, rather than just wanting a

1591
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,080
day off.
Yes, I can tell you from first

1592
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,520
hand experience of constantly
having a cold for the last 10

1593
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,000
years, Yes.
But I work at an office and I

1594
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,600
get a cold sometimes.
I know, I know, I know.

1595
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,280
I'm not saying that you don't
get ill if you're somewhere

1596
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,280
else.
Can you listen to what we're

1597
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,320
saying?
I have.

1598
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,400
Children who are.
Snotting on themselves, asking

1599
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,960
me to do up their shoelaces and
then snotting in my face every

1600
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,320
day.
And I know for a fact I see for

1601
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,880
everyone teacher who's called in
off sick, I see nine teachers

1602
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,360
who should call in sick who
don't exactly all of the time.

1603
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,360
It's just nonsense.
So way more illness to more

1604
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,320
illness.
Also, school policy, the school

1605
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,920
policies are often quite harsh
on sickness.

1606
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,840
Like if you're I'll, it's like
don't come into school because

1607
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080
you're going to spread it
because like we just said, this

1608
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,440
illness spreads way more in
schools than it does in in

1609
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,720
regular places.
So the policy is sometimes a bit

1610
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,680
more harsh of like, OK, you're a
bit sick, you probably could

1611
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,640
come in and. 48 hours off but.
No, you're not allowed to come

1612
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,960
in because that's our policy.
Yeah, so there you go.

1613
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,960
That's going to bump up the
stats.

1614
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,440
And there's no flexibility,
there's no ability, everything.

1615
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,640
There's no flexibility in the
job.

1616
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,160
How many people do you reckon
maybe feel a bit under the

1617
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,800
weather and they think I've got
a bit of holiday to take?

1618
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,160
I'll take a week off, I'll fully
recover, I'll rest, I'll relax.

1619
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,800
But we can't do that if we're
ill in the middle of term time.

1620
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,640
We've just, we've just got to
take that sit cover.

1621
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,040
I'm not saying people waste
their holiday and getting sick,

1622
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,680
but I'm just saying there's no
flexibility.

1623
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,120
There's the option.
And do you know what?

1624
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,200
Do you know what sometimes
happens?

1625
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,840
Just the last thing here, it's
just the fact that the job is

1626
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,960
unbearable, but it's just, but
you work yourself into the

1627
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,440
ground in term time.
I don't know many teachers who

1628
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,840
get to the end of time who
aren't feeling absolutely done

1629
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,280
in and most of them get to half
term.

1630
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,600
Some of them might not, but
there was one last point with

1631
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,680
the Daily Mail I wanted to make.
And it's just how they are just

1632
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,240
absolute hypocrites.
Just the biggest hypocrites

1633
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,840
you've ever seen because all
they care about is clicks.

1634
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,160
We found in the midst of all
this, where we're looking for

1635
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,320
all these, we found one article.
Do you want to read the

1636
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,560
headline?
Here, Yeah, go on then, it says

1637
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,120
you.
You wouldn't believe this from

1638
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,200
the same newspaper.
Poorly paid British teachers are

1639
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,680
quitting their jobs in droves to
double their money, live the

1640
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,960
high life abroad and get their
children taught in private

1641
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,040
schools.
That's how that last bit.

1642
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,520
Obviously just just try and make
some opinions.

1643
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,400
Yeah.
Because they are, they're,

1644
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,640
they're, they're they're it's
not us.

1645
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,320
Yeah, we're not, it's not us.
Oh, teachers.

1646
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,680
Yeah.
So built into that, that again.

1647
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,320
OK, what does that say?
OK, it says that we, we don't

1648
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,680
pay our teachers correctly based
on the rest of the world.

1649
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,520
There are other parts in the
world where it's much better to

1650
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,960
be a teacher.
There are other parts in the

1651
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,240
world where it's better to be a
child in the education system.

1652
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,680
You're accepting all this by
running this article and having

1653
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,280
this headline whilst whilst
battering us every day, every

1654
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,600
single day.
And when all you care about is

1655
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,280
click bait and just painting
this picture because then you

1656
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,800
get your ad revenue and you
don't actually care about

1657
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,680
getting to the issues and
solving things and actually

1658
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,880
trying to help or understanding
that we are a profession on the

1659
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,920
real job.
All you're doing is bringing

1660
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,400
this culture of teacher bashing
that we see in family.

1661
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,200
We, we said we're going to talk
about family in general public.

1662
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,960
Let's just whack them in now.
Let's just finish off with them

1663
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,480
because they're the same.
Because you know what media is

1664
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,040
the overall thing.
That's what it is.

1665
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:20,920
It's what is affecting, you
know, most of the stuff.

1666
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,800
Yeah, because you're.
Uncle took on.

1667
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,040
Yeah.
So you know what, just go back

1668
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,640
to the question again just to re
re, you know, route ourselves.

1669
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,440
Yeah.
Why do people hate teachers?

1670
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,160
Yeah, because the Daily Mail
post that article every single

1671
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,640
day like that constantly, and
people are consuming it

1672
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,480
constantly and then they're
telling their mates constantly

1673
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,400
and it's affecting the culture
on the playground constantly.

1674
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,600
And then parents are getting
away with being horrible to you

1675
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,840
because schools are too afraid
of saying anything constantly.

1676
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,000
Yeah, right.
Yeah.

1677
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,920
And on top of that, you've got
your family taking the MIT

1678
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,600
because they think your job's
rubbish, your job's easy,

1679
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:47,040
really.
We.

1680
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,440
Just want to be, it's really
clear because, well, I honestly,

1681
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,800
my family, genuinely never.
They're so respectful and

1682
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:52,960
lovely.
This is almost a joke point.

1683
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,760
Yeah, but no.
But it's true because you see

1684
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,280
people saying I went for
Christmas dinner.

1685
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,120
We've had people message us and
be like, yeah, how do I just, I

1686
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,160
tell my family member that I'm
not lying to their face.

1687
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,200
You know, that that niece you've
had who's 25 and you've loved

1688
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,080
and doted on them your whole
life and they become a teacher.

1689
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,040
And they say to you, Oh my gosh,
it's so hard, such hard work

1690
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,920
being a teacher.
How can you wire someone's brain

1691
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,560
as their Uncle Rob who's just
like, I can't believe that

1692
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,440
though, because I've read the
Daily Mail every day for 15

1693
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,120
years and it's like they're
bloody lazy.

1694
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,080
So I think you're lying to me
now.

1695
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,640
Classic niece, being lazy like
you were when you were five.

1696
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,440
Don't remember when you were
five and lazy.

1697
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,160
You're still like that.
Haven't changed of, you know.

1698
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,240
It's just like as a family
member where is just like the

1699
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,720
benefit of the doubt to be like,
you know, OK, I've not ever

1700
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,600
experienced this.
You have.

1701
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,840
I've read the Daily Mail.
I've listened to you, my lovely

1702
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,000
niece.
So I've trusted and I've loved

1703
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,520
for 25 years.
Daily Mail's right.

1704
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,480
Daily Mail's right.
You're a bloody lazy.

1705
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,040
Yeah, I'm telling I've got I'm
going up.

1706
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,960
I'm leaving this Christmas
dinner to go and do my planning.

1707
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,680
Oh, well, that's because you're
a bad teacher.

1708
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,440
You need to be more efficient.
These idiots who don't like

1709
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,320
teachers, they change their
opinion based on what point they

1710
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,240
want to make.
So I've heard that I've seen the

1711
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,760
same person genuinely in the
comments this week.

1712
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,160
I've seen the same person say I
outright don't believe these

1713
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,640
facts and I think teachers work
40 hours a week maximum and I I

1714
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,200
just don't believe them.
I don't believe that facts.

1715
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,560
They're just they, they barely
work.

1716
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,680
They work 40 hours a week in
turn trying to get all those

1717
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,240
holidays.
I don't believe them.

1718
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,160
Later on in the same thread when
someone's replied and said I'm a

1719
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,680
teacher and I literally do this.
Here's how my hours breakdown I

1720
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,280
do.
I do 40 hours a week literally

1721
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,280
just in the classroom and I've
got to prep everything else blah

1722
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,960
blah blah blah.
I do another 20 and then their

1723
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,920
reply is well then you're,
you're just inefficient aren't

1724
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:29,600
you?
You're just an idiot.

1725
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,120
You need to get a better job.
It's your own fault you're not

1726
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,240
efficient enough to get your job
done.

1727
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,360
So in the same breath this
person believes that.

1728
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,560
They just don't believe it.
So both teachers is the teacher

1729
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,640
paradox of the boom.
Idiot teachers are both lazy

1730
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:42,800
people who do 40 hours a week
and get all that time off, but

1731
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,720
also silly idiots who can't be
efficient with their time and

1732
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,840
work way more than they should.
Which one is it, mate?

1733
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,320
Yeah.
Which one is it that we're

1734
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,320
doing?
It's all amalgamated in Get

1735
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,880
Another Job then.
I don't know.

1736
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,040
I've done this.
I'm not going to do it again

1737
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,680
because I do it so, so often.
But no, I'm good at, I'm doing

1738
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,960
it again.
I'm good at this job like it's a

1739
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,800
skill.
I invested tonnes of time and

1740
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,840
money into this job, just like a
lot of people do.

1741
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,280
So just getting another job is
not actually a very viable

1742
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,320
option.
And we do need teachers.

1743
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,520
We do need them.
So if we all took that advice,

1744
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:12,680
there'll be no teachers.
I hate it.

1745
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,240
So the last thing in general
public is, I suppose that that

1746
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,520
whole thing came from social
media.

1747
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,760
That's where we see most of it.
And we've been doing a lot of

1748
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,680
reels lately where I I've
honestly done reels when they're

1749
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,000
not even clips from the podcast.
I've just filmed the reel from

1750
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,320
the ground up.
I've got some data.

1751
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,480
Yeah, I've got some evidence,
and I'm just making a point.

1752
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,760
And I've been really clear
multiple times to say I'm not

1753
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,040
talking about anyone else.
All I'm saying in this reel that

1754
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,480
I'm thinking of is teachers do
work extremely hard.

1755
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,120
It's not as simple as we just
get the holidays off.

1756
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,280
If you average out our hours, we
work more than the average

1757
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,120
worker.
Yeah, not more than everyone.

1758
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,640
That's how averages.
Work, and that's not an opinion.

1759
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,120
That's just a fact, just a
simple fact.

1760
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,400
And there's so many people
commenting blah, blah, blah,

1761
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,560
blah and making a point.
Something I didn't say, just

1762
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,640
didn't say that in the video.
So I don't know what you're

1763
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,280
commenting because I literally
didn't say that.

1764
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,160
So what about me?
I workloads?

1765
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,120
Do you remember the bit in the
video where I said, I know, and

1766
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,520
I'm just saying that teachers
work hard?

1767
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,160
Yeah.
And my favourite part of that

1768
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,760
was you.
You're on your personal, you're

1769
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,640
in the personal ground.
Someone got me saying we'll just

1770
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,280
quit.
Then you just replied.

1771
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,520
There's me replying to people
trying to do some really like

1772
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,280
nuanced arguments and stuff
being replied.

1773
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,600
Brain rot advice.
Yeah, honestly, do you know what

1774
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,320
I actually tried?
I even messaged you after saying

1775
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,600
I need to stop.
I deleted Instagram for for ages

1776
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,320
for a few months because I just
can't stomach it.

1777
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,400
I went on for two seconds and
looked at a real you made first

1778
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,000
first comment was the get
another job, then just quit.

1779
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,840
Yeah, brain rot advice close my
phone.

1780
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,000
I was like I don't care.
This is this is I'm being I'm

1781
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,240
being rude and horrible.
I don't care and I need to stop.

1782
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,360
So I've I've actually since
then.

1783
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,920
But it's that, it's that
pedestal that you're talking

1784
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,040
about where if someone's rude
and horrible and just idiotic.

1785
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:42,880
Yeah, you want to be.
Rude back.

1786
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,440
You want to be read back, but
you're like, well, I can't

1787
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,000
because I'm a teacher.
It's like, well, do you know

1788
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:46,960
what?
Sometimes Do you know what?

1789
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,480
Sometimes honestly, people just
need to hear that they're wrong.

1790
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,440
Yeah.
And then sometimes I'm wrong.

1791
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,480
And again, I remember that I'm
on my high horse.

1792
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,040
I'm always right.
There's probably, there's

1793
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,840
certain parts of that video
maybe where I interpreted that.

1794
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,840
I don't think I did, but maybe
there's a point where someone's

1795
01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:59,920
like, well, what have you
thought about this?

1796
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,920
And if someone made that point,
yeah, you'd be.

1797
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,560
Respectful, yeah, but oh, that's
interesting.

1798
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,120
But but someone's saying, oh, I
don't believe it.

1799
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,920
Yeah.
So on the macro level, I suppose

1800
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,160
what we're going to summarise
here is why does, why do so many

1801
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,480
people hate teachers?
It is because of the

1802
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,080
representation.
And I think, I think most people

1803
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,319
who are close to teachers, who
are see teachers work.

1804
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,680
Most people are very respectful.
My mates are amazing that we

1805
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,720
always joke, but they they, they
really understand it.

1806
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,880
My family are amazing, my
colleagues, obviously most

1807
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,120
parents are amazed.
Most interactions I have are

1808
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,880
amazing.
It's just such a shame that the

1809
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,800
loudest people are usually the
most ignorant.

1810
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:33,880
And, and it's written by the
Daily Mail.

1811
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,760
There's one final point because
I don't want to miss it because

1812
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,520
I feel that people be like, you
didn't think about this one.

1813
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,279
It's a big one about the, you
know, because everything's so

1814
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,640
far has kind of been about how
media changes things, right?

1815
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,080
But there's also personal
experiences.

1816
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,960
People went to school.
Almost everybody went to school

1817
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,439
as a kid.
And teaching has changed.

1818
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,319
School has changed a lot since
the average adult was actually a

1819
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,439
child in school.
And I think our own experiences

1820
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,560
shape how we view teachers.
And it is different.

1821
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,520
You know, if you think about if
you ask your grandparents or

1822
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,680
your parents or whatever about
what it was like being at

1823
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,720
school, they will they will
always jump straight there.

1824
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,880
We're so quick to tell you about
how they got that board brother

1825
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,279
thrown at them, how the teachers
would just cane them or to just

1826
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:10,960
shout at them if you didn't do
as you're told you it was just

1827
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,560
discipline, discipline,
discipline, right?

1828
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,800
And a lot of people had a
negative experience because of

1829
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,720
that.
And then they grow up and then

1830
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,520
they become parents and they
just kind of expect that to

1831
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,560
still be the case.
So when it comes to interacting

1832
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,560
with their child's teacher, us
who who I'd say are probably

1833
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,640
very different to what it was
back then on Gen in general, I'm

1834
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,840
sure there are some.
Well, I'm not throwing board.

1835
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,120
Around yeah, exactly you know
only at you.

1836
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:35,640
I think that massively impacts
people's opinions of of

1837
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:36,920
teachers.
Well, that I think sometimes is

1838
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,120
why parents can be so quick to
get Aggie at you because they're

1839
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,960
because they're they're
thinking, God, my teachers were

1840
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,880
horrible to me.
They were horrible to me.

1841
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,920
And I'm just going to assume
that you're equally as horrible

1842
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,240
to my and.
That's probably reasonable to

1843
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,880
think if you haven't had any.
Experience, yeah, I get it.

1844
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,600
So I can understand that.
Another perspective base of why

1845
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,600
people might not like teachers,
it's because root in their own

1846
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,280
experiences.
So on top of that, we've got

1847
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,280
culture from media, big media,
just absolutely driving these

1848
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,360
stories into the heads of
teachers, being lazy, entitled

1849
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,440
people.
It doesn't help, does it?

1850
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,040
No, it doesn't help.
So you can understand why people

1851
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,160
don't like teachers, but
majority of people are actually

1852
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,760
very nice and hopefully we can
help to improve that culture.

1853
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,200
Absolutely.
And and last thing again, just

1854
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,000
for the balance because we spoke
about an hour, so I'm going to

1855
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,840
speak about this for 10 seconds.
So that's a good balance there.

1856
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:26,080
Some some teachers.
Some teachers do moan and do

1857
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,440
things wrong.
Yeah, of course they do.

1858
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,360
And when parents call it out,
that's important.

1859
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,960
It is it there is there is a
role for a parent to be

1860
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,520
defensive of their child and
there are situations where that

1861
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,320
needs to happen.
And I don't want anyone to think

1862
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,960
that we're coming out here
saying teachers are always

1863
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,000
correct in everything.
No, no, no, let's be honest,

1864
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,760
let's be balanced.
But we're talking about

1865
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,560
specifically just those people
who have those preconceptions

1866
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,280
before anything's happened.
They're already in the comment

1867
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,400
section writing out how teachers
are lazy before they've done

1868
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,560
anything.
And that does stem from a

1869
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,200
systematic kind of approach
that's fuelled by the media that

1870
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,200
I think is backed up by them
tapping into your experiences in

1871
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,440
school, like you said, well,
behaviour was much easier

1872
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:07,680
control back then, yeah, because
you would get caned by the head

1873
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,080
teacher if you misbehaved.
So managing behaviour now is 10

1874
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,440
times harder.
It's so hard and and so much

1875
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:16,680
more nuanced, so much more
complex.

1876
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:17,600
Yeah.
Yeah, Exactly.

1877
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,880
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.

1878
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,800
Interesting discussion.
I enjoyed that a lot, yeah.

1879
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,640
Well done.
Do you hate teachers still now?

1880
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,200
I hate you.
Yeah.

1881
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,080
And you're a teacher, so I
guess.

1882
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,320
Oh, use my Daily Mail conference
here.

1883
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,000
Yeah, I hate all teachers.
OK.

1884
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,240
So good.
We've got to end this one.

1885
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,280
Make sure you hate all teachers
and follow us and hate on us as

1886
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,560
well.
Don't hate us, you can.

1887
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:36,840
Whoa, no.
Yeah, because the teachers.

1888
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,000
No, You've got hate on us as
well.

1889
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,400
Where can I?
Just quick review, follow us on

1890
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,560
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1891
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,200
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1892
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,160
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Million reviews always on our

1893
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,360
way to it, so it works.
Thanks guys.

1894
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:51,080
See you next time.
See you.